Re: [videoblogging] Re: Fwd: Draft Blogger's Code of Conduct

[Josh Wolf]

Hey everyone, this is my first post after being released! It feels good 
to return to the land of message groups...

I just read Tim O'Reilly's proposed draft (I haven't examined its 
current state on wikia yet), and I'm quite displeased with this code. 
For one thing, it's focal point seems to be on comments and not original 
content. It seems a bit puzzling to me that I can't sign onto this code 
*and* allow anonymous comments. Is this about creating a set of 
principles that the blogger adheres to, or is this about creating a set 
of principles for the commenter in order to establish a "safe" place for 
them to engage in an open dialogue.

 From my vantage point this code seems less about the blogger and more 
about the commenters  and I feel that merging the two of these together 
in this way is deceptive and tactically unsound.

Josh

Steve Watkins wrote:
>
> The thing is that most of the draconian elements to their proposals,
> is already technically covered by law in many parts of the world. Its
> just a question of there being any resources to follow up every
> potential violation. Imagine how many libelous comments have been made
> on the net, compared to how many every go anywhere near a court.
>
> As for the rest of it, I presume that most states rely on society,
> peer pressure, accepted norms, to provide some control over how civil
> people are to eachother. Its not going to be regulated against very
> often. Where the law does apply it often drags way behind the society
> the law serves, eg the stand up comedians & rock stars who had to
> endure lewd conduct type charges in decades past. But a culture thats
> learnt to emulate such behaviour, teenagers who cant get enough of it,
> and cant get enough of the internet, along with similar stuff from
> many adults out there, makes it hard to see how the sheer volume of
> this stuff could be policed by the state or volunteers on the net.
>
> All I know is that this code isnt going to intimidate any
> intimidators. Intimidation is a powerful tool that gets people to
> shutup far more effectively than this code will, and that is a tragedy
> but a human reality. There are many ironies in this field, such as the
> potential intimidation w would face if lots of people in the
> blogosphere attempted to deeply explore intimidation and coercion and
> how humans use them, and how the internet is merely a new light shon
> onto this sick underbelly of human 'civilisation', rather than a new
> and shocking thing.
>
> Cheers
>
> Steve Elbows
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> , "Charles Iliya Krempeaux"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a really bad feeling about all this.
> >
> > I know people have good intentions with all this. But alot of things
> > start out that way.
> >
> > Hopefully this "code" stay voluntary. (And people aren't forced to
> obey it.)
> >
> >
> > See ya
> >
> > On 4/10/07, WWWhatsup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/04/draft_bloggers_1.html 
> 
> > >
> > > 04.08.07
> > > Tim O'Reilly
> > >
> > > Tim O'Reilly
> > > Draft Blogger's Code of Conduct
> > >
> > > When I wrote my Call for a Blogging Code of Conduct last week, I
> suggested some
> > > ideas of what such a code might contain, but didn't actually put
> forth a draft that
> > > people could subscribe to. We're not quite there yet, but we have
> a plan.
> > >
> > > We've drafted a code of conduct that will eventually be posted on
> bloggingcode.org,
> > > and created a badge that sites can display if they want to link to
> that code of conduct.
> > > Civility Enforced Badge
> > >
> > > But because we want a period of review, we don't want to finalize
> that code yet. I've
> > > put a draft below (and you'll see it's based closely on the
> BlogHer Community
> > > Guidelines that I linked to last week.) But we're also working
> with wikia to put the
> > > draft through a wiki-based review process on blogging.wikia.com.
> (There's an easy
> > > to remember shortcut link at http://blogging.wikia.com/wiki/BCC 
> )
> Please feel free to
> > > join in and edit the wiki as well as encouraging others to do so.
> We'll post the final
> > > version on bloggingcode.org, along with the html to display the
> badge and link to the
> > > code.
> > >
> > > (While wikis are great for developing the code, we don't want it
> to be a moving target
> > > once people have signed up for it.)
> > >
> > > Here's the first draft:
> > >
> > > We celebrate the blogosphere because it embraces frank and open
> conversation. But frankness does not have to mean lack of civility. We
> present this Blogger Code of Conduct in hopes that it helps create a
> culture that encourages both personal expression and constructive
> conversation.
> > >
> > > 1. We take responsibility for our own words and for the

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Fwd: Draft Blogger's Code of Conduct

[Josh Wolf]

As far as I knew, no one was talking about imposing anything on anyone. 
I thought this was an attempt to identify a common creed that many 
bloggers and videobloggers could adopt as they share in its mutual 
values of respect, understanding, etc. It seems to me that there would 
be absolutely no reason for their to be one code either.

Think of it like Creative Commons licensing; you could find a code of 
ethics if you choose that fit your own ideological viewpoint and elect 
to brand your site with it. Or, perhaps you can't find an existing code 
and choose to craft your own. Or, as you personally may feel could 
decide not to adopt any formalized code at all. Adding one new means for 
people to synchronize their own personal ethics as a media maker, or 
journalist, or whatever, may not be a bad idea. It is certainly a better 
approach than the rather ominous suggestion put forward by Deborah 
Saunders stating:

"The courts are going to end up deciding who journalists are, because, 
unfortunately, this administration is really pushing the envelope in 
jailing journalists, and it won't end with the Bush administration. It 
will get bigger as people point fingers in many ways, and that means the 
courts are going to decide who journalists are. You may not like it, but 
that's the way it is."

I don't think that's the way it has to be, but I am uncertain as to 
whether such volunteer codes will help or hinders the governments 
efforts to register and license bloggers and other journalists.

Josh

Enric wrote:
>
> Human values of respect, understanding, etc. are natural to express
> and act on. To impose a code of conduct is an insult and mockery of
> those values.
>
> -- Enric
> -==-
> http://cirne.com <http://cirne.com>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, Josh Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hey everyone, this is my first post after being released! It feels good
> > to return to the land of message groups...
> >
> > I just read Tim O'Reilly's proposed draft (I haven't examined its
> > current state on wikia yet), and I'm quite displeased with this code.
> > For one thing, it's focal point seems to be on comments and not
> original
> > content. It seems a bit puzzling to me that I can't sign onto this code
> > *and* allow anonymous comments. Is this about creating a set of
> > principles that the blogger adheres to, or is this about creating a set
> > of principles for the commenter in order to establish a "safe" place
> for
> > them to engage in an open dialogue.
> >
> > From my vantage point this code seems less about the blogger and more
> > about the commenters and I feel that merging the two of these together
> > in this way is deceptive and tactically unsound.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > Steve Watkins wrote:
> > >
> > > The thing is that most of the draconian elements to their proposals,
> > > is already technically covered by law in many parts of the world. Its
> > > just a question of there being any resources to follow up every
> > > potential violation. Imagine how many libelous comments have been made
> > > on the net, compared to how many every go anywhere near a court.
> > >
> > > As for the rest of it, I presume that most states rely on society,
> > > peer pressure, accepted norms, to provide some control over how civil
> > > people are to eachother. Its not going to be regulated against very
> > > often. Where the law does apply it often drags way behind the society
> > > the law serves, eg the stand up comedians & rock stars who had to
> > > endure lewd conduct type charges in decades past. But a culture thats
> > > learnt to emulate such behaviour, teenagers who cant get enough of it,
> > > and cant get enough of the internet, along with similar stuff from
> > > many adults out there, makes it hard to see how the sheer volume of
> > > this stuff could be policed by the state or volunteers on the net.
> > >
> > > All I know is that this code isnt going to intimidate any
> > > intimidators. Intimidation is a powerful tool that gets people to
> > > shutup far more effectively than this code will, and that is a tragedy
> > > but a human reality. There are many ironies in this field, such as the
> > > potential intimidation w would face if lots of people in the
> > > blogosphere attempted to deeply explore intimidation and coercion and
> > > how humans use them, and how the internet is merely a new light shon
> > > onto this sick underbell

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Fwd: Draft Blogger's Code of Conduct

[Josh Wolf]

I don't know... I see this as being a horrible problem if the only code 
to be subscribed was O'Reily, but I still think that if there were 20-30 
different codes that people were crafting and anyone could elect to 
abide by any or none of them then this wouldn't be fascist in any way. 
It's certainly something to think about, but you're right -- the very 
suggestion of an authorized code of conduct is not a positive thing and 
anyway; especially when loosely connected to a for-profit corporation.

Josh

mattfeldman78 wrote:
>
> DO NOT LET THIS GUY GET AWAY WITH THIS
>
> this is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard of in my life.
> this o'reilly guy should be ashamed of himself. he is trying to kill
> one of the last bastions of free speech. all of us should be weary of
> such things-especially in times like this.
>
> and josh-i am surprised at your response. i'd think that you would be
> able to spot subtle fascism when u see it. didn't u go to jail to
> fight against people/ideas such as this?
>
> do u really want the future of the internet to look like this?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTL3XMDwY0c 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTL3XMDwY0c>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, Josh Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > As far as I knew, no one was talking about imposing anything on anyone.
> > I thought this was an attempt to identify a common creed that many
> > bloggers and videobloggers could adopt as they share in its mutual
> > values of respect, understanding, etc. It seems to me that there would
> > be absolutely no reason for their to be one code either.
> >
> > Think of it like Creative Commons licensing; you could find a code of
> > ethics if you choose that fit your own ideological viewpoint and elect
> > to brand your site with it. Or, perhaps you can't find an existing code
> > and choose to craft your own. Or, as you personally may feel could
> > decide not to adopt any formalized code at all. Adding one new means
> for
> > people to synchronize their own personal ethics as a media maker, or
> > journalist, or whatever, may not be a bad idea. It is certainly a
> better
> > approach than the rather ominous suggestion put forward by Deborah
> > Saunders stating:
> >
> > "The courts are going to end up deciding who journalists are, because,
> > unfortunately, this administration is really pushing the envelope in
> > jailing journalists, and it won't end with the Bush administration. It
> > will get bigger as people point fingers in many ways, and that means
> the
> > courts are going to decide who journalists are. You may not like it,
> but
> > that's the way it is."
> >
> > I don't think that's the way it has to be, but I am uncertain as to
> > whether such volunteer codes will help or hinders the governments
> > efforts to register and license bloggers and other journalists.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > Enric wrote:
> > >
> > > Human values of respect, understanding, etc. are natural to express
> > > and act on. To impose a code of conduct is an insult and mockery of
> > > those values.
> > >
> > > -- Enric
> > > -==-
> > > http://cirne.com <http://cirne.com> <http://cirne.com 
> <http://cirne.com>>
> > >
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, Josh Wolf 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey everyone, this is my first post after being released! It
> feels good
> > > > to return to the land of message groups...
> > > >
> > > > I just read Tim O'Reilly's proposed draft (I haven't examined its
> > > > current state on wikia yet), and I'm quite displeased with this
> code.
> > > > For one thing, it's focal point seems to be on comments and not
> > > original
> > > > content. It seems a bit puzzling to me that I can't sign onto
> this code
> > > > *and* allow anonymous comments. Is this about creating a set of
> > > > principles that the blogger adheres to, or is this about
> creating a set
> > > > of principles for the commenter in order to establish a "safe" place
> > > for
> > > > them to engage in an open dialogue.
> > > >
> > > > From my vantage point this code seems less about the blogger and
> more
> > > > about th

Re: [videoblogging] Draft Blogger's Code of JOURNALISM Conduct

[Josh Wolf]

Jim, Taken out of context, the words, "I wasn't there to shoot that." 
sound far different than the reality meant by the statement. When I 
state, "I wasn't there," I don't mean that wasn't my mission or chosen 
task, but that I literally wasn't there to shoot it. Would a different 
journalist have stopped filming the one cop who was choking the Gabe 
Meyers and investigated what was happening with the other? Probably. 
Should I have, maybe, but the fact of the matter was that I didn't know 
what was going on and felt that what I was filming was newsworthy and 
there was no reason to walk away and turn off the camera.

I learned that officer Shields had been injured when a woman came 
running towards the cop yelling "officer down," shortly thereafter I 
tried to venture over there but my attempts to get over there were 
rebuffed by the police and it did not seem like a particularly good time 
to assert my press rights.

The hypothetical question that followed was an equally problematic one, 
and the fact of the matter is that, "I don't know," was not an attempt 
to dodge the question but rather my first response and an honest one. 
Had Keven provided some more breathing room in the interview, "it 
depends on what I'm filming at the time and if I fully realize what's 
going on." would have followed.

Josh

Jim Long wrote:
>
> Speaking of codes of conduct, journalists who are
> protected by shield laws look to this as their code of
> conduct:
>
> http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp <http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp>
>
> I'm with Enric here on the blogging code of conduct
> declaration. It's a bit too groupthink for my tastes.
> But for journalists who have an expectation of shield
> law protection, a code of conduct is vital.
>
> Josh Wolf is to be admired for the courage of his
> convictions. He is selfless in his beliefs and has
> sacrificed far beyond what most of us (myslef
> included) would endure. What he is NOT, in my soon to
> be flamed point of view, is a journalist. Not because
> he is or was an anarchist. I'm a registered democrat
> who is tasked with covering the White House as part of
> my duties for NBC. Believe me, this administration
> doesn't make a distinction between democrats and
> anarchists. When I carry that camera for NBC, I set
> all of that aside.
>
> In my mind, Josh failed the jouranalist test when he
> said this to my former colleague Kevin Sites:
>
> Kevin Sites: If there had been a situation where you
> saw a protestor beating up a police officer, or you
> saw them committing arson, would you have shot that?
>
> Josh Wolf: I wasn't there to shoot that.
>
> Kevin Sites: No, but would you have shot that?
>
> Josh Wolf: That's a question I would have made in that
> moment...
>
> YOU GOTTA BE FREAKIN KIDDING ME!
>
> Josh if you're a journalist you're there to tell the
> entire story the best you can."I wasn't there to shoot
> that???" There have been plenty of my assignments
> that have evolved into something that I wasn't there
> to shoot. Part of being a journalist is shedding
> pre-conceived notions as best you can. If that means
> shooting things that rock your world-view, than so be
> it.
>
> I was in Quebec City. I was in Genoa, Italy. I saw
> that kid lying dead in the street, killed by Italian
> paramilitary. I also saw the kid next to me pull a
> Molotov cocktail out of his jacket and hurl it at
> Italian police. In Quebec City, masked figures were
> hurling rotary saw blade down on police from rooftops.
> I've been gassed by police there and in my hometown
> of Washington, DC. Maybe it's because both the police
> and the protesters have disdain for media, but I shot
> everthing I felt was relevant.
>
> Josh Wolf is clearly an honorable, brave young man, as
> brave as any journalist, but I don't believe he
> deserves shield law protection simply because: "I
> wasn't there to shoot that."
>
> Jim Long
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:jim.long%40vergenewmedia.com>
> http://vergenewmedia.com/ <http://vergenewmedia.com/>
>
> --- Josh Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:inthecity%40sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>
> > As far as I knew, no one was talking about imposing
> > anything on anyone.
> > I thought this was an attempt to identify a common
> > creed that many
> > bloggers and videobloggers could adopt as they share
> > in its mutual
> > values of respect, understanding, etc. It seems to
> > me that there would
> > be absolutely no reason for their to be one code
> > either.
> >
> > Think of

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Fwd: Draft Blogger's Code of Conduct

[Josh Wolf]

Someone please explain this to me, I am very confused about this debate.

Let's look at it this way, if I as a media maker decide to make a page 
detailing my own code of ethic and an attached wiki to further refine 
and develop my own ethics through a public conversation is this in any 
way fascist? I don't feel it is, but if you do, please explain.

Now, what if others elected to adopt my own code for their sites? What 
if other codes began to develop and some chose to adopt those and others 
remained unaffiliated. If this develops organically and without any 
outside or heavily weighted influence is put on taking part in any 
particular school of thought then such a development would actually 
serve to enhance the visitors experience and abilities to discern how 
much weight to give any particular report.

Any real concerns about this being a fascist development seem to me to 
revolve around whether some group or company attempts to dictate their 
values schema on the larger mass of bloggers. At which point, I would 
tend to agree with your thesis that this is an assault on our first 
amendment freedoms. Perhaps this is already the case; I've been out of 
the loop for a while and am coming into this conversation without much 
recent background information.

Josh

mattfeldman78 wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have taken the LIBERTY to create a wiki for those who oppose
> draconian measures on the internet. Please help to build this up if
> you feel that this is important!
>
> site: http://nobloggerscode.pbwiki.com 
> password: "knowfascism"
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> , WWWhatsup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/04/draft_bloggers_1.html 
> 
> >
> > 04.08.07
> > Tim O'Reilly
> >
> > Tim O'Reilly
> > Draft Blogger's Code of Conduct
> >
> > When I wrote my Call for a Blogging Code of Conduct last week, I
> suggested some ideas of what such a code might contain, but didn't
> actually put forth a draft that people could subscribe to. We're not
> quite there yet, but we have a plan.
> >
> > We've drafted a code of conduct that will eventually be posted on
> bloggingcode.org, and created a badge that sites can display if they
> want to link to that code of conduct. Civility Enforced Badge
> >
> > But because we want a period of review, we don't want to finalize
> that code yet. I've put a draft below (and you'll see it's based
> closely on the BlogHer Community Guidelines that I linked to last
> week.) But we're also working with wikia to put the draft through a
> wiki-based review process on blogging.wikia.com. (There's an easy to
> remember shortcut link at http://blogging.wikia.com/wiki/BCC 
> ) Please
> feel free to join in and edit the wiki as well as encouraging others
> to do so. We'll post the final version on bloggingcode.org, along with
> the html to display the badge and link to the code.
> >
> > (While wikis are great for developing the code, we don't want it to
> be a moving target once people have signed up for it.)
> >
> > Here's the first draft:
> >
> > We celebrate the blogosphere because it embraces frank and open
> conversation. But frankness does not have to mean lack of civility. We
> present this Blogger Code of Conduct in hopes that it helps create a
> culture that encourages both personal expression and constructive
> conversation.
> >
> > 1. We take responsibility for our own words and for the comments
> we allow on our blog.
> >
> > We are committed to the "Civility Enforced" standard: we will not
> post unacceptable content, and we'll delete comments that contain it.
> >
> > We define unacceptable content as anything included or linked to
> that:
> > - is being used to abuse, harass, stalk, or threaten others
> > - is libelous, knowingly false, ad-hominem, or misrepresents
> another person,
> > - infringes upon a copyright or trademark
> > - violates an obligation of confidentiality
> > - violates the privacy of others
> >
> > We define and determine what is "unacceptable content" on a
> case-by-case basis, and our definitions are not limited to this list.
> If we delete a comment or link, we will say so and explain why. [We
> reserve the right to change these standards at any time with no notice.]
> >
> > 2. We won't say anything online that we wouldn't say in person.
> >
> > 3. We connect privately before we respond publicly.
> >
> > When we encounter conflicts and misrepresentation in the
> blogosphere, we make every effort to talk privately and directly to
> the person(s) involved--or find an intermediary who can do so--before
> we publish any posts or comments about the issue.
> >
> > 4. When we believe someone is unfairly attacking another, we take
> action.
> >
> > When someone who is publishing comments or blog postings that are
> offensive, we'll tell them so

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Fwd: Draft Blogger's Code of Conduct

[Josh Wolf]

So this whole idea of a blogger code is nothing new -- I found a list of 
several here on the net.

Blogging codes of ethics:

http://www.yourcodeofethics.com/honorable_words/blogging_see_also_internet_use/index.html
>
>  

[videoblogging] This Monday, San Francisco Concert to Celebrate my Release from Jail

[Josh Wolf]

Hey Everyone, just wanted to let all you bay area people know about the 
concert we'll be having this Monday night at the Brava Theatre to 
celebrate my release. David Rovics will be performing as will Emcee Lynx 
w/ Beltaines Fire, and also the Molotov Mouths. For more information, 
e-mail me or see the following URLS...

http://upcoming.org/event/176051/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/456203770/

Hope to see some of you there.


Josh

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videoblogging is reaching out

[Josh Wolf]

Since when does the GOP care what you think?

Josh


On Jul 15, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

> Yeah, I've been looking for a way to give them feedback to fix their
> RSS feed all day.
> All I can find are ways to give them money or volunteer with my  
> local chapter.
> Don't they have a webmaster contact?
>
> -josh
>
>
> On 7/15/05, Michael Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I tried to access the files linked directly and I get a 404 error.
> > -Verdi
> >
> > On Jul 15, 2005, at 8:02 PM, ro9core wrote:
> >
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> look who has a feed:
> > >> http://www.gop.com/podcast/vid/PodCast.xml
> > >>
> > >> the videos dont work on my machine...but check it out.
> > >> its good that the conversation is getting bigger.
> > >>
> > >
> > > finally people who *get it*  and of course as i always knew its  
> that
> > > constituency that is the best and the boldest, leading us into the
> > > future with eyes wide open and largesse due to wisdom granted  
> from the
> > > nethers
> > >
> > > sincerely gop.com you have a bad mimetype on your enclosures and
> > > perhaps this be the reason poor jay cant be illuminated
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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[videoblogging] When the FBI knocks on your door...

[Josh Wolf]

Hey guys, haven't had the time to actually sit down to make a vlog  
post about this yet; things have been really crazy for the past  
couple days.

So... you know how people sometimes joke around about how the FBI  
probably has a file on them, well, I think I can be pretty certain at  
this point. Perhaps not for my political beliefs, but certainly as a  
potential witness in an investigation. This past Thursday, the FBI  
showed up at my house... seeing as the URL for my blog is http:// 
nogovernment.us -- when I see the badge, I'm hoping they're here  
about that Metallica CD I downloaded off Napster back in 1999...

Nope, they want to talk about what I witnessed at the protest last  
week. What protest you ask? Well, last Friday there was a protest in  
San Francisco and during the protest an officer an officer ended up  
injured. I didn't witness the actual incident, so I won't discuss  
exactly what happened. But, my video was of interest to the FBI. How  
did the FBI come across my video? Well, they probably just found it  
when they turned on the local news as several local news stations  
decided it'd be fun to use my video without consulting me first about  
obtaining the rights. Fortunately, after sending a bill to all the  
stations that had been using my footage most have complied or settled  
for an amount I felt was reasonable. I hadn't heard back from the  
local FOX affiliate until tonight, but they just dropped me a note  
saying they're trying to figure out how to proceed... David: 3,  
Goliath: maybe 1!

So, the great part of all of this is that we now have some seed money  
to prepare to launch for the not-for-profit, Rise Up! Network (RUN);  
soon to be 503(c), I helped to start the project a few months ago  
with a number of people including Renegade Rene and Michael Verdi as  
well as others. Zadi has also expressed some interest in making this  
happen.  Anyhow was wondering if any of you are interested in hearing  
more and possibly getting involved in helping make this happen. Write  
to me for more details and check out this interview on SFist

http://tinyurl.com/a3baq

Josh

PS - Videoblog entry about all this coming soon!

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: When the FBI knocks on your door...

[Josh Wolf]

I don't know whether the letter I sent to them really belongs in a  
files section as certain elements of my e-mail are not part of the  
most ideal approach in all circumstances, but here it is as a  
starting point... the real trick is finding out who the news director  
is and sending it directly to her or him.

Josh


  My name is Josh Wolf and it's come to my attention that your  
station has apparently been making use of footage regarding the San  
Francisco protest that was shot by me and most likely obtained  
through the Indybay website. As I do not have a TV, I can not  
personally verify that your station has been using my footage, but  
have heard this from numerous sources, and I have a friend with video  
from the broadcasts so I will be able verify this for myself. If for  
some reason any sort of misunderstanding has occured and you have not  
been making use of my footage, I'm sorry for sending such a strong e- 
mail but feel the need to protect myself. I own the copyright on the  
material which is licensed under a Creative Commons license (http:// 
creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/deed.en_GB). The link to  
the video on Indybay has a link to both my website and my e-mail  
address.

Based on this information, it would not have been difficult for your  
news department to contact me about obtaining permission to utilize  
my footage. My footage has apparently  been utilized in numerous  
newscasts following Friday's event. As * is clearly a commercial  
entity, *and* you have not provided any sort of attribution to the  
source of the footage, your station is clearly violating my copyright  
and I'm less than happy about this turn of events. Furthermore, when  
I sold selected portions of my video to KRON as a stringer, I did so  
while granting them exclusive rights to use that footage. By your  
station using my footage without contacting me beforehand, you have  
also jeopardized my professional relationship with KRON and I do not  
enjoy being in a position where a professional news agency has any  
reason to feel that I've been dishonest with them.

I'm well aware of what the going rate is for stringer footage amongst  
the local news in this area; however, in that situation a stringer  
has the opportunity to decide whether or not they want to sell their  
footage at the going rate. As your station neglected to contact me  
prior to using my footage on the air, I am not in a position to make  
the decision whether or not to sell my footage to you at the standard  
stringer rate. This situation, coupled with the fact that your  
station has chosen to use my footage repeatedly indicates that this  
is valuable footage and I've decided to provide an invoice for your  
use of my footage at a significantly higher rate and I fully expect  
your station to comply with the attached invoice.

In the event, that I do not hear back from you soon, I will resume  
discussion with my legal counsel and exercise any and all connections  
I've made as an independent media producer to bring light to this  
issue. I do realize that you are not the only station that has  
neglected to follow appropriate procedures before using my footage  
and any other guilty stations that I've come across are receiving a  
similar letter.

Thanks for your time and understanding, please let me know if you'll  
need a W9 for tax purposes.

Josh Wolf
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(805)895-9220

PS -- here are the links to the video on Indybay

http://indybay.org/news/2005/07/1751759.php

http://indybay.org/news/2005/07/1751763.php

>
> You know it might not be a bad idea to have an example of the
> letter/email you sent saved in the Files section here in case others
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: When the FBI knocks on your door...

[Josh Wolf]

The stringer rate varies by market... I live in San Francisco which I  
believe is ranked 5th or 6th in the country so it's probably one of  
the better markets for stringer footage. Here in SF the local  
stations pay between $150-165 for stringer footage...

If you call a local station and talk to them for a while, it should  
be easy to get them to tell you what they pay for stringer footage  
and chances are all the stations in that area pay the same or within  
a few dollars.

Josh


On Jul 16, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Jan wrote:

> So, Josh, how did you learn the stringer rate and would you be so  
> kind as to
> share the info?
>
> Jan
>
> -- 
> "It isn't done alone."
> http://fauxpress.blogspot.com
> http://blog.urbanartadventures.com
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Wolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 1:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: When the FBI knocks on your door...
>
>
> >I don't know whether the letter I sent to them really belongs in a
> > files section as certain elements of my e-mail are not part of the
> > most ideal approach in all circumstances, but here it is as a
> > starting point... the real trick is finding out who the news  
> director
> > is and sending it directly to her or him.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> >
> >  My name is Josh Wolf and it's come to my attention that your
> > station has apparently been making use of footage regarding the San
> > Francisco protest that was shot by me and most likely obtained
> > through the Indybay website. As I do not have a TV, I can not
> > personally verify that your station has been using my footage, but
> > have heard this from numerous sources, and I have a friend with  
> video
> > from the broadcasts so I will be able verify this for myself. If for
> > some reason any sort of misunderstanding has occured and you have  
> not
> > been making use of my footage, I'm sorry for sending such a  
> strong e-
> > mail but feel the need to protect myself. I own the copyright on the
> > material which is licensed under a Creative Commons license (http://
> > creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/deed.en_GB). The link to
> > the video on Indybay has a link to both my website and my e-mail
> > address.
> >
> > Based on this information, it would not have been difficult for your
> > news department to contact me about obtaining permission to utilize
> > my footage. My footage has apparently  been utilized in numerous
> > newscasts following Friday's event. As * is clearly a commercial
> > entity, *and* you have not provided any sort of attribution to the
> > source of the footage, your station is clearly violating my  
> copyright
> > and I'm less than happy about this turn of events. Furthermore, when
> > I sold selected portions of my video to KRON as a stringer, I did so
> > while granting them exclusive rights to use that footage. By your
> > station using my footage without contacting me beforehand, you have
> > also jeopardized my professional relationship with KRON and I do not
> > enjoy being in a position where a professional news agency has any
> > reason to feel that I've been dishonest with them.
> >
> > I'm well aware of what the going rate is for stringer footage  
> amongst
> > the local news in this area; however, in that situation a stringer
> > has the opportunity to decide whether or not they want to sell their
> > footage at the going rate. As your station neglected to contact me
> > prior to using my footage on the air, I am not in a position to make
> > the decision whether or not to sell my footage to you at the  
> standard
> > stringer rate. This situation, coupled with the fact that your
> > station has chosen to use my footage repeatedly indicates that this
> > is valuable footage and I've decided to provide an invoice for your
> > use of my footage at a significantly higher rate and I fully expect
> > your station to comply with the attached invoice.
> >
> > In the event, that I do not hear back from you soon, I will resume
> > discussion with my legal counsel and exercise any and all  
> connections
> > I've made as an independent media producer to bring light to this
> > issue. I do realize that you are not the only station that has
> > neglected to follow appropriate procedures before using my footage
> > and any other guilty stations that I've come across are receiving a
> > similar letter.
> >
> &

[videoblogging] How many videoblogs do we know of thus far?

[Josh Wolf]

Hey, doing an interview and the reporter wants a figure on how many  
videoblogs there are on the net... please respond ASAP.

Josh




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[videoblogging] Stat Counters and conflicting reports

[Josh Wolf]

Hey, does anyone know anything about Stat counters? I've got both  
Branica and StatCounter.org running and the results are dramatically  
different... Stat counter shows a massive amount more traffic than  
Branica... anyone know what might be going on? Thanks...

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Stat Counters and conflicting reports

[Josh Wolf]

Thanks Peter...

The only thing is that the one counters "unique visitor" total is  
less than the others more vague "visitor total" on a daily basis. The  
numbers are so different that for one stat counter I'm shocked at the  
amount of traffic I've managed to get and for the other -- well, it's  
cool that close a hundred people are checking out my page each day;  
but the other stat is quite dramatically different.

Josh


On Jul 24, 2005, at 8:39 AM, Peter Paddon wrote:

> Different counters calculate their number in different ways. Some
> will count every hit on a page, so if Joe visits your sight, and
> keeps coming back to a particular page, the counter will increment
> every time.
>
> Another type of counter will calculate every visit. Underthe same
> scenario, Joe's visit above would only increment the counter once,
> but if he came back later in the day, that would move the counter up
> again.
>
> Yet another type of counter only includes unique visits for a day,
> so Joe's second visit to your site wouldn't increase the count, but
> his visit the next day (he must really like your site) would be
> counted.
>
> They all have their uses, depending on whether your aim is to gather
> accurate marketing data, imress your visitors, or just see if it is
> worth maintaining the site. You could use all three and they would
> be wildly different, and yet all totally accurate.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Peter
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Hey Josh,
> > I don't know why that happens but I have noticed it also.  From
> what
> > I've seen they're only good for pointing to a general trend -
> visits
> > are going up or visits are going down kind of thing.
> > -Verdi
> > On Jul 24, 2005, at 3:25 AM, Josh Wolf wrote:
> >
> > > Hey, does anyone know anything about Stat counters? I've got both
> > > Branica and StatCounter.org running and the results are
> dramatically
> > > different... Stat counter shows a massive amount more traffic
> than
> > > Branica... anyone know what might be going on? Thanks...
> > >
> > > Josh
>
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Re: [videoblogging] problem with internet archive

[Josh Wolf]

Over the past few days, I have noticed the Archive loading movies  
more slowly than usual; I haven't uploaded anything to Ourmedia in  
the last week though as my most recent video will need to be taken  
down at some point soon and it's just easier to delete movies from  
my .mac account than it is to write the folks at ourmedia and ask  
that they take down the file when the need arises.

Josh


On Jul 24, 2005, at 10:42 AM, missingkittentv wrote:

> hey kids,
>
> is anyone else have trouble with the internet archive?  i uploaded a
> video and screen-capture last night & the files are still sitting in
> the  que.  i tried to upload them again this morning & the ourmedia
> publishing tool gave me a error saying that the disk was full.
>
> i have no idea what this means or why im having a problem with these
> files.  but if anyone has any advice, id really appreciate the help!
>
> thanks,
> mariah
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: new URLs @ ourmedia Not Working either

[Josh Wolf]

I've been using those reference links the whole time...

Anyone able to see the videos in my feed?

http://feeds.feedburner.com/thisrevolution

Josh


On Jul 28, 2005, at 6:21 PM, ryanne hodson wrote:

> kinberg just said that feedburner can't feed those reference links...
> is that true?
> can we test this?
> should i totally freak out now?
>
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> > http://www.archive.org/download/NPR_still/npr.jpg
> >
> > and not this:
> >
> > http://ia300107.us.archive.org/2/items/NPR_still/npr.jpg
> >
> > because the archive is moving things around, this first reference  
> link
> > is more accurate.
> >
> > please blog this
> >
> > now i'm off to rebuild my site  before i go to california for  
> BlogHer.
> > timing timing timing.
> >
> > --
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> > Start a Free Videoblog...Right Now
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: new URLs @ ourmedia Not Working either

[Josh Wolf]

Ok, so... vlogdir doesn't like my feed -- but the iTunes aggregator  
works fine... fireANT seems to work... this is strange.

Josh


On Jul 28, 2005, at 7:18 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:

> on http://vlogdir.com/permalink/162, in the media aggregator, only one
> feed item comes through.
>
>
> On 7/28/05, Josh Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've been using those reference links the whole time...
> >
> > Anyone able to see the videos in my feed?
> >
> > http://feeds.feedburner.com/thisrevolution
> >
> > Josh
> >
> >
> > On Jul 28, 2005, at 6:21 PM, ryanne hodson wrote:
> >
> > > kinberg just said that feedburner can't feed those reference  
> links...
> > > is that true?
> > > can we test this?
> > > should i totally freak out now?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/28/05, ryanne hodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > everyone should try to blog this too
> > > > that's how i figured out what the heck was happening
> > > > i saw it on luxomedia
> > > >
> > > > so the links you should be using look like this:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.archive.org/download/NPR_still/npr.jpg
> > > >
> > > > and not this:
> > > >
> > > > http://ia300107.us.archive.org/2/items/NPR_still/npr.jpg
> > > >
> > > > because the archive is moving things around, this first  
> reference
> > > link
> > > > is more accurate.
> > > >
> > > > please blog this
> > > >
> > > > now i'm off to rebuild my site  before i go to california for
> > > BlogHer.
> > > > timing timing timing.
> > > >
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> > > > Start a Free Videoblog...Right Now
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Re: [videoblogging] Community Intro Project

[Josh Wolf]

I like:

"We are many voices that have come together in one chorus. We are the  
media."


On Jul 28, 2005, at 8:50 PM, LeanBackVids.com wrote:

> Pete and I are here in Seattle pounding beers when we thought of a
> great intro to these "conferences".  It would be cool to get a bunch
> of us saying the same sentence (slowly, word for word).  Then edit it
> together to get a communal affect.  Come on give us a break, the booze
> made us touchy feely.  Anyways, it would be moving.
>
> We'd love to get help coming up with an intro sentence.
>
> Also, it may be hard to distribute the high-quality movies required to
> edit in full screen.  (Bre made the great request to make the Seattle
> event all high quality).
>
> Let us know what you think.  Just a few thoughts...
>
> "Welcome, we are now broadcasting to you over the Internet."
>
> "Together we can experience each others' lives."
>
> "We are the media."
>
> -- Matt
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Re: [videoblogging] Community Intro Project

[Josh Wolf]

Exactly!


On Jul 28, 2005, at 9:02 PM, Stephanie Bryant wrote:

> I like that one better because it's long enough that you can
> cool-effect it, by having the first sentence be said voice-by-voice,
> and then the last one of everyone together.
>
> On 7/28/05, Josh Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I like:
> >
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: vlogmap

[Josh Wolf]

Yeah -- the overlapping thumbtacks is a serious issue -- just think,  
when there's a thousand vloggers in Manhatten there will be no way to  
actually navigate through them...

Josh


On Jul 28, 2005, at 9:11 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:

> more than anything else, i would really love to have the overlapping
> clog issue resolved somehow i cant click every vlog marker :(
>
> On 7/28/05, Devlon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >  Thanks Jay for your steady support.  Devlon, that growth view is
> > >  great, but I can probably get this working in _javascript_.   
> Basically
> > >  just map one marker every half-second.
> >
> > Yeah, I figured so, but then I wouldn't have come up with the  
> idea :)
> >
> >
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[videoblogging] Hey Guys I'm in TIME magazine!

[Josh Wolf]

 From the upcoming issue of TIME:

And although Current promised to hire hundreds of digital  
correspondents, contributors must now sign on as free-lancers, who  
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Re: [videoblogging] Meanwhile, elsewhere

[Josh Wolf]

I've been in contact with Nathan about this latest blog post and  
while I'm not going to say anything specific, we should remember that  
Nathan's vlog has at times been a satirical look at the world around  
him.

Josh

On Jul 31, 2005, at 11:28 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote:

> Nathan vlogs/blogs about the issue... i dont think he would mind  
> people discussing it and wishing him well.  if we should assume not  
> to discuss something that he is blogging about, as contradictive as  
> that may be then Nathan will prob let us know.
>
> as for the issue of consequential vlogging... everything you do can  
> effect something else.  video, as we all know, is the most powerful  
> medium for transmitting the audiovisual.  add then add the   
> Internet and archival services like IA, and a content creators  
> intent on letting anyone and everyone see and hear the content that  
> they create
> i would think that you should have at least a morsel of an idea  
> that something somewhat controversial can come back to you in ways  
> that you might welcome orinstead  deny and prefer to avoid.  
> some people want negative publicity, subscribing to "any publicicty  
> is good publicity".  others just dont realize that they themselves  
> are as destructable as anything else in the world.
> way it is.  simply know this, and then no excuses will exist.
>
> sull
>
>
> On 7/31/05, Michael Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
> I'm not sure this is the place or time to critique Nathan's choices or
> discuss the specifics.
>
> On some level, and I don't know what that level is, we need to respect
> his right to bring these matters to the public as he sees fit and
> pledge our patient support. If you feel strongly about particulars you
> should contact him directly. It is however the time and place to voice
> our support of nathan. To discuss the issues of how this effects the
> vlogosphere. What our duty is as members of this community? What  
> can we
> do?
>
> For example. It would appear to me that vlogging has been good and bad
> here it's obviously aggravated relationships between nathan and  
> himself
> and the law do to it's visibility. Further publicity might just put
> more strain on the situation, but that's a decision best left to
> nathan.
>
> On the other hand I would like to think it's also been positive. He's
> used it as an outlet for the considerable pressure he's under and I've
> seen some really creative projects, such as his mapping of the
> Vancouver subway/ elevated train. I've been a dedicated follower of  
> his
> vlog since the beginning and I'm a fan. While there's things I don't
> agree with he has 100% of my support though there's limitations to  
> what
> I can do from so far away.
>
> Anyway, these are my opinions, and as such I think a lot of us are
> going to feel completely differently. So, let's try and respect each
> other.
>
> -Mike
>
> Michael Meiser
> http://mmeiser.com/blog
> http://mmeiser.com/backchannel
>
> On Jul 31, 2005, at 1:16 PM, andrew michael baron wrote:
>
> My goodness Nathan, lets talk about this. In this video, you are
> smoking pot and admiting that you do coke around your kids.
> http://www.modernsingledad.com/files/possibilitiespart1.wmv
>
> I'm not sure that this is all a very good idea. What is your
> reasoning behind this?
>
> It sounds like it must be hell to not have a family around to help
> support three kids. Is this something you would be willing to get
> help for? I'm not meaning to sound cliche - for a little amount of
> time right now, it can make a big difference for the future life of
> yourself and your kids.
>
>
> On Jul 31, 2005, at 12:47 PM, R. Kristiansen wrote:
>
> > Nathan Peters is in trouble,
> >
> > like serious trouble.
> >
> > Has anyone seen his latest posts at www.modernsingledad.com?
> >
> > Nathan Peters is now a modern single dad without his children. His
> > three adorable children are taken away by social security. I hate to
> > sound stupid but: Does anyone here living in Canada or elsewhere  
> know
> > how Nathan is doing? His last post was from 28th.
> >
> > I really think we as a community need to look after each other a  
> bit.
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> > yeah - check up on each other. Be a friendly vlogger  
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Re: [videoblogging] Meanwhile, elsewhere

[Josh Wolf]

Michael Meiser said:
>  In fact, I have the feeling
> we're pretty much seeing all nathan's skeletons, which is in many
> respects an incredible thing.

If you go to nathanpeters.com you can even see Nathan's skeletons,  
um... fleshed out.

Josh
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Re: [videoblogging] Pro/semi-pro quality cameras?

[Josh Wolf]

Ok, shooting with a shoulder mounted camera for your videoblog is  
silly, shoulder-mounted camera's have some advantages, for example,  
you can basically turn yourself into a tripod with one, but they  
severely limit your field of motion with the camera. Eric Rice has a  
Panasonic DVC-30 and I think that's probably the best camera for high- 
end videoblogging work. It's the only pro camera with night-vision  
and it's night-vision looks just like a black & white movie -- the  
camera just kicks ass!

If you wanted to spend a bit more money, the DVX-100, also by  
Panasonic, is a pretty good bet; it's a little bit bigger but has  
larger CCD's and shoots in 24P which gives a sort of film look to  
your production.

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Re: [videoblogging] The first Videoblogging book

[Josh Wolf]

I agree with Clint on this one... While everything in the book will  
work out really well within the format, I don't like O'Reily is doing  
to the word "hacks."

Josh


On Aug 4, 2005, at 1:57 PM, Clint Sharp wrote:

> Jay dedman wrote:
>
> >
> > why dont you think its the correct format?
> > if you look at the new Digital Video hacks by Josh-Paul(on this
> > list)...he lays out the basics...and then gets into all the cool  
> added
> > stuff you can do.
> >
> > With videoblogging, all you need is freevlog to get started.
> > everything else is just extra.
> > hacks.
> > Andreas's QT thingie for example.
> > I think your linking hack would be perfect.
> >
> > Jay
> >
> > --
> > http://www.momentshowing.net>
> > Adventures in Videoblogging
> >
> >
> A hack implies there's an established way to do something that you  
> have
> now found an alternative way of doing.  Usually you've done it
> surripticiously (sp?), without the manufacturers knowledge or consent.
> In this case, there is no established ways of doing a vlog yet, so
> there's really not much to hack.  I mean, I think it's cool in the  
> fact
> that there's 100 of them and different people will contribute, it's  
> just
> the labeling of what's going to be in there as "Hacks" a little
> misleading.  I felt like a good howto book would be better, something
> that won't be so broken up.  Basically Freevlog in book form.   
> However,
> the fact that you guys are writing it is ubercool.
>
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Re: [videoblogging] The first Videoblogging book

[Josh Wolf]

Yeah, please don't mistake my criticism of the series title as a  
criticism of either the book or others in the series. In reading over  
Andrew's E-mail, I think that there are a great deals of hacks that a  
videoblogger could employ; at the same time, I think that  
videoblogging in and of itself is a blog-hack; I just don't think  
that O'Reily's hack series is the MOST IDEAL platform for a book on  
videoblogging, it's still a damn good one though and I applaud  
O'Reilly and our videoblogger friends for stepping up to bat! This  
really is great news but I personally don't feel that should hinder  
any sort of meandering critiques of the title...

Josh


On Aug 4, 2005, at 8:13 PM, R. Kristiansen wrote:

> I don't think anyone is Against this book. In fact, the discussion
> about the hacks etc, at least for me, was a question of whether that
> general topic was the best to have for the first book on
> videoblogging.
>
> Let's all make sure that the hacks in this book edited/written by four
> friends of ours are as good as frigging possible!
>
> Best,
>
> Raymond M. Kristiansen
> http://dltq.org
>
> On 8/5/05, Devlon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > For what it's worth, I think it's a great idea. O'Reily books are
> > great (from a geek point of view) and it is a great way to get more
> > people on the videoblog train.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: blogtelevision.net?

[Josh Wolf]

of course if your domain is blogspot.com that could be problematic...  
unless of course you can block a subdomain...

Josh


On Aug 16, 2005, at 11:24 AM, Jan McLaughlin wrote:

> There's a link on the right sidebar "Block Your Domain"
>
> Jan
>
> --  
> "It isn't done alone. Pay more."
> http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - motion
> http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - sound
> http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - media
> http://the-hold.blogspot.com - literature
> .
>
> On Aug 16, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Andy Carvin wrote:
>
> > Here's the "about us" description from their website, which appears
> > right below an ad for
> > "the world's largest sex and swingers personals":
> >
> > BlogTelevision.net mines over three five million blogs daily to find
> > videos for your
> > entertainment. We find and highlight the videos that people are
> > talking (read: blogging)
> > about! Nothing is censored and we update numerous times each day so
> > check back
> > frequently.
> >
> > Please note, because we are a 100% automated website of the sheer
> > volume of videos
> > identified by BlogTelevision.net all videos are not reviewed by
> > editors, thus we cannot
> > guarantee all videos are safe for viewing at work.
> >
> > source: http://blogtelevision.net/p/About___5.html
> >
> > Not sure if I want my videos associated with these guys.
> >
> > andy carvin
> > www.andycarvin.com
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[videoblogging] BSP: Please check out my videos on Current TV

[Josh Wolf]

Hey guys, what's up? So as some of you are probably aware, Al Gore's  
new television station Current TV launched about a month ago, and a  
few weeks ago the Current online Studio launched at http://current.tv/ 
studio/ and there are a lot of worthwhile videos that have been  
uploaded. In a spirit that somewhat embodies vlogging, a few hundred  
videos by independent producers have found their way onto the site  
and the topics are all over the map.

One thing that Current has implemented is a green-lighting process  
which allows viewers to vote for videos they think are ready for  
television. It's important to note that these green-lights do not  
determine what goes on the air; however, and the videos that Current  
has thus far chosen to air are not uniformly the ones with the most  
green lights. Even still, I'd like to encourage all of you to  
register for the site and check out my videos that I have up and to  
green light anything you like. Thanks!

Josh
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Re: [videoblogging] Footage Collarboration?

[Josh Wolf]

Hey Flux, I'll be getting footage from SF on the 24th -- I'll try to  
send you a copy of my tape but without covering the costs of the  
tape, and postage, I find myself turning into much more of a slacker  
than I'd like to be...

Josh


On Aug 26, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Michael Tippett wrote:

> Hey Flux,
>
>
>
> You should post this on NowPublic too.  We’ve got some people in  
> the area.
>
>
>
> Michael.
>
>
>
> From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com  
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~ FluxRostrum
> Sent: August 25, 2005 8:59 PM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [videoblogging] Footage Collarboration?
>
>
>
> Howdy,
>
> There are a couple days of worldwide protest coming up.
>
> If anyone is planning to shoot a protest in conjuction with
>
> "Smoke Out for Canadian Sovernty" on Sept. 10th
> http://www.smokeoutamerica.ca
> http://cannabisculture.com/articles/4471.html
> DEA wants Marc Emery extridited from Canada to the US to face life  
> in prison for selling cannibis Seeds on the internet.  He has not  
> broken any Canadian laws.
>
> OR
>
> an Anti-war rally on the 24th
> http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?list=type&type=91
>
> and would like to contibute footage to a mini doc of the day that I  
> will produce as quickly as possible...
>
> contact me
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Oh, there's no money in it.. unless there is...
> You'll have to want to cover tape and postage, too.
> Sorry.  If I had it, you'd have it.
> If by some fluke one of these makes a buncha money; I'll divy it up.
> But it's not likely.
>
> It sounds so atractive.
> Who's in?
>
> ~solidarity,
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> aka Gianni Lazuli
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Re: [videoblogging] vlogger road trip 2005

[Josh Wolf]

I don't have much to add to the conversation at the moment, but a  
vlog tour sounds fucking awesome and I'd love to be a part of it!

Josh


On Aug 26, 2005, at 11:51 AM, Philip Clark wrote:

> Thanks for the email Jan, I've decided to share my reply with the  
> list.
>
> Of course you can crash at my place, I live alone in the woods in a  
> seven-bedroom farmhouse. I have room for the whole crew. In fact, I  
> have contacts all the way from Halifax to Toronto. We won't have  
> any worries about a place to sleep.
>
> I'm thinking we should run this like a rock'n'roll tour. We could  
> set up in venues like the Khyber Club in Halifax, Gallery Connexion  
> in Fredericton, WAR Gallery in Montreal. The galleries are ideal  
> because they double as performance spaces and also there are no  
> specific corporate overtones like at a store. WAR Gallery, for  
> example, has a stage, projector, giant screen, wireless internet  
> and I could probably get it for free.
>
> So we'll show up and give a workshop in the early evening. People  
> can shoot their own videos and we'll upload them to a cross-country  
> group vlog. And then at night we'll have a party. We'll come back  
> to the space and I will perform live electronic music and Jan will  
> VJ (although she may not realize it yet) and she will mix in  
> excerpts from the day's videos while everyone dances their asses off.
>
> The workshops will be for free, and we will make money from the  
> parties. And also--as any touring band will tell you--from selling  
> merchandise. Who wants an official "Vlog Voyeur" t-shirt? Please  
> specify small medium or large.
>
> On 24-Aug-05, at 4:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
>> And don't expect Sony to come rushing to your door to sponsor your  
>> road trip. Maybe they will, but the chances are, if they're  
>> looking for ways to support videoblogging, they'll look at several  
>> different "nodes" and decide that door-to-door revivalism isn't a  
>> cost-efficient way of getting the word out.
>>
>
> Tours mean publicity and there's a precedent for big companies  
> wanting to be involved. I just sent off an email to Sony Canada's  
> manager of customer relationships & retail marketing. Maybe she'll  
> recognize the tour as a good opportunity for them. If they don't  
> somebody else will. Although I'm not too worried about  
> sponsorships. We can easily make it happen on our own.
>
> The road trips could do a lot for videoblogging. I suspect there  
> are limitations to introducing people to a new internet phenomenon  
> by writing about it on the internet. In Halifax, for example,  
> blogging didn't really blow up huge until the fall of 2003, when a  
> bunch of people got written up... in the local newspaper.
>
> A vision of 2007. We pull into town in a giant bus, twice the  
> length of Taylor's RV. It is specially outfitted with a pair of  
> Final Cut Pro workstations, a hot-tub and a green-screen on one  
> wall. The bus rolls right into the centre of town and parts in a  
> wireless hotspot. On the side of the bus in giant letters:  
> "Videoblog Tour 2007, brought to you by the Apple G6." (A couple  
> people with binoculars look down from a window at Sony HQ and say  
> "Boy I wish we'd answered that guy's email." )
>
> Anyone at all is welcome to come in off the street and upload a  
> video. We're right in the middle of everything with our cameras.  
> Little kids cheer at our approach. Politicians are fearful.
>
> Well, anything's possible.
>
>
>> Obviously, you've decided to take time off from the rest of your  
>> life to do this
>>
>
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[videoblogging] Catch Me on Colbert Tonight!

[Josh Wolf]

Hey everyone, just wanted to drop a note out to the videoblogging  
group letting you all know that I'll be on the Colbert Report tonight  
(that's Tuesday for those checking old messages). So, if you have  
Comedy Central, please tune in... if you don't then you can always DL  
it on iTunes tomorrow. If anyone's in New York City right now, let me  
know, I'm here through tomorrow afternoon.

Josh

Vlogger Defense Fund * Re: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?

[Josh Wolf]

Hi, although not really set up to act as a slush fund to broker  
disputes between two parties within the community, I actually have  
established a fund for legal support for those independent media  
makers who find themselves in hot water, and I believe there is a tad  
over $3,000 in the account which will be overseen by the Free The  
Media Foundation which still needs to be established. But, yes, a  
legal fund for the collective good all of us is of crucial  
importance. When I was carted off to jail, I had no idea how I'd  
raise the funds for an appeal. Fortunately, my little pay-pal banner  
was rather productive and there was about $3,000 left-over to  
establish this fund for the next time such a situation strike.

Josh


On Jun 30, 2007, at 8:30 AM, bordercollieaustralianshepherd wrote:

> Make a mistake and own it? Priceless!
>
> My opinion and thoughts (for what that's worth)
>
> I missed a lot in this thread. Not likely I will be able to catch up
> either. So if I am repeating someone else's input it is truly a case
> of like minds thinking.
>
> Robert, you are a stand up guy. No doubt and big props to you.
>
> Lan, understand how you feel and do not find fault with your position.
>
> To quote Rodney King ... oh never mind.
>
> $300 is too low (considering this is after the fact) and $3000 is too
> high considering the limited use of the image and it's purpose.
> (Podtech may be a business, but we should lead by example too, we are
> suppose to be in this boat together).
>
> Solution (and certainly not the only): vlogger legal defense fund!
>
> How to do this? Podtech ponies up $1000.00 total which pays Lan
> $600.00 (double the lowest possible PRE use negotiated license fee)
> and opens a legal defense fund for video bloggers using the remaining
> $400 for the creation of this funds cost and a initial deposit. Lan
> can (if he chooses) donate any amount he sees fit to this fund.
>
> Seems like a nice way to make nice.
>
> I know that this means that guidelines, rules and a bunch of other
> stuff might need to be put into effect. Then again, this group seems
> to me at least, to be capable of expressing opinion that can be used
> to gauge under what circumstances funds would be disbursed.
>
> If a fund is set up, I would like to be the third person to  
> contribute.
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Scoble"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > You told me on the phone that you did not want to negotiate. At
> least that's
> > how I remember hearing it. Sorry if I heard wrong. You told me
> specifically
> > that PodTech was not in position to negotiate.
> >
> >
> >
> > The problem is I'm getting in between you and John Furrier. John's
> mom died
> > this week which is causing problems figuring out where things are.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll get him to answer you.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regarding photo prices, I talked with photographers who work for
> Associated
> > Press, Business Week and other magazines.
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree that we dropped the ball. No excuses there, but I wasn't
> involved
> > back then and am trying to clean up a mess and having trouble  
> getting it
> > cleaned up because of John's mom's death.
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert Scoble
> >
> >
> >
> > ###
> >
> >
> >
> > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Lan Bui
> > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:51 PM
> > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's  
> image?
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert, thank you for finally coming out and saying something for
> > PodTech to the community.
> >
> > First, I must say that your statement:
> >
> > "He believes his work is worth that and believes that there isn't  
> room
> > for negotiation on this issue."
> >
> > Is a lie.
> >
> > One of the points in my blog post was that I wanted, at minimum,  
> to be
> > contacted to negotiate. In the last couple days I did negotiate  
> down a
> > lot less than $3000 and even sent an updated invoice for it. So  
> how is
> > this not negotiating on the issue? Remember we talked about this on
> > the phone, so I'm not sure why you left that out.
> >
> > PodTech had the chance to ask to purchase a license to use the
> > photograph before it was used, at which time they would be able  
> to set
> > the terms. That didn't happen. Now that they have used the  
> photograph
> > already, who should set the terms?
> >
> > I gave PodTech over a month to respond to my terms and they didn't.
> > When it was just me that was involved PodTech didn't care. When  
> others
> > started to blog about it and it was giving them a bad name, then
> > PodTech started to care. Remember, that blog post was up for about a
> > month before others started take notice to it. So PodTech showed  
> to me
> > they don't care about me, they only care about their image in the
> > public eye.
> >
> > Next, I am not Thomas Hawk. Wait... Thomas Hawk? I will be the
> > professional and not

[videoblogging] Anyone in the SF area with EVDO?

[Josh Wolf]

Hi, as some of you have probably heard, I'm running for mayor of San  
Francisco. As part of what I'm doing, I've helped organize a weekly  
debate series in front of City Hall every Friday at 5:00PM. I'd like  
to stream these debates on the internet, but while there is municipal  
wifi at Civic Center, it's not actually plugged into the internet. I  
was wondering if there was anyone in the bay area who'd be willing to  
donate the use of their EVDO bandwidth this Friday to help make it  
possible to stream the debate. Thanks in advance.

Josh

Re: [videoblogging] Re: video blogging / facebook / myspace / you tube

[Josh Wolf]

There's something strange about your company unilaterally blocking  
"advocacy groups," but I haven't the foggiest what you do, and have  
never worked somewhere with content filters so maybe it's all a bit  
more common than I realized.


You state that the company policy is no blogs. What exactly is the  
purpose behind this ban? Would you be prohibited from writing a  
letter to the editor? Publishing a paper-zine? Making your own films  
that were distributed through traditional means? It's all a bit  
puzzling, you know?

Josh


On Sep 14, 2007, at 9:31 AM, David Howell wrote:

> My sites dont have anything to do with work. However the policy states
> that employees are not allowed to have blogs. Nothing further
> detailing what type of blog employees are not allowed to have. Just a
> blanket statement. I knew that when I signed the policy and agreed to
> it. My own fault. I take full responsibility.
>
> I'll have to check that link out once I get home as according to
> Websense here at work..."The category "Advocacy Groups" is filtered."
>
> David
> http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
>
> > Does your blog have to do with your work? If not, how can a company
> > tell you how to behave outside of your worktime? If the blog doesn't
> > relate to your work, you may want to contact the EFF about this:
> >
> > http://www.eff.org/about/contact/
> >
> > -- Enric
> >
>
>
> 



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Re: [videoblogging] Get Paid for your videos with RUNtv

[Josh Wolf]

Oh yeah, I forgot... the site is located at www.riseupnetwork.com/RUNtv


On Sep 14, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Josh Wolf wrote:

> Hey everyone, I'm producing a vlog-based show at a local community
> college television station that I work at called RUNtv and for the
> next 10 weeks I have a budget to pay out $400 for each episode. Along
> with a $1,000 cash grant for the winning video at the season finale.
> But, in order for this to work, I need submissions and people to
> vote. Right now the pilot episode is up and there are only 12 votes
> total. So, if you like to peruse online video please take a look and
> vote on your favorite. And if you like making money for the work
> you're already doing, please send me a link to the video you'd like
> to submit and I'll put it in an upcoming episode! Sound good? Let me
> know if you have any questions...
>
> Josh
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> 



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[videoblogging] RUNtv will pay $50 for non-exclusive use of your videos

[Josh Wolf]

Hi, I've posted about the television show I've been putting together  
for the past couple months, and managed to generate a few submissions  
and I was hoping maybe a few more of you would be willing to rise to  
the occasion under the new terms. The original show offered payment  
for use of the top voted videos; but no one voted. So instead we've  
decided to just give $50 to every vid we use. Our next show airs  
Sunday night, so send me you links as soon as possible!

Again, we're not asking for exclusivity , just the non-exclusive  
right to air your video on the show which is broadcast on an Oakland  
college cable station. We'll also link to your video on the site, and  
would love it if you'd be willing to extend the use of your work for  
other gaps in our programming (but that's optional).

So how about it? Anyone want $50... please send links to your  
submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

PS - thanks to everyone who has already contributed content; we will  
be sending out all the checks at the end of the November when the  
season wraps up. I'm sorry for the delay but that's the nature of  
bureaucracy. 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: What is a journalist--Defined

[Josh Wolf]

Hi guys, I'm at work -- just getting a chance to check my e-mail now.  
here's a link to what I wrote on my CNET blog: http://blogs.cnet.com/ 
8301-13508_1-9798084-19.html?tag=head

Basically the latest iteration of this bill only protects those who  
earn a "substantial" amount of money from their work as journalists.  
What legally defines substantial is still unclear. As I see it, this  
law is flawed in that it doesn't so much protect the public's right  
to know as it protects the professional's ability to conduct  
business; that might seem like a subtle distinction but from a  
constitutional perspective it's pretty huge.

Had the House's version of the law been on the books, I may still  
have been protected. I sold the footage from that night for about  
$2,000, and I currently have a blog on the CNET blogging network  
which would also act in my favor, but the Senate version of the bill  
only provides protection when there is a strict promise of  
confidentiality. So in all likelihood when the bills are combined  
into one it would've excluded me.

Anyhow, I've got lots to do here at work so I must get going...

Josh

PS -- anyone want to submit videos for RUNtv the college television  
show I'm producing here in Oakland? It's a strictly non-exclusive  
license and we'll pay you $50 for any videos we use. How about it? E- 
mail me a link to your video and we'll it on the show. Thanks.




On Oct 17, 2007, at 2:14 PM, deirdreharvey2002 wrote:

>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "David Meade"  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi, long time lurker, rare poster here,
>
> > IANAL ... but I wouldn't count on this wording protecting a blogger
> > from the DOJ if they've got some other "day job" and nobody is  
> paying
> > them to over a given story.
>
> The most recent wording is extremely odd in its specificity. It's  
> like they don't want to
> leave any room for the courts to interpret what a commonly used  
> word like "journalism"
> means. Obviously the changing nature of the concept is not  
> something these legislators
> are keen to embrace.
>
> The emphasis on financial gain is extremely weird and pretty much  
> unjustifiable. I can see
> lots of reasons why you need to discriminate between someone who  
> works (for love,
> money, or bee in bonnet) as a journalist and someone who doess not.  
> Not all bloggers
> qualify as journalists (citizen or otherwise) and not all need or  
> deserve to be protected by
> a journalist's shield. But many do and they are being very  
> deliberately excluded here.
>
> Are there any other fields where if you don't earn your living from  
> something you have
> fewer rights?
>
> > ... but it's a very interesting turn of event in anycase.
>
> absolutely.
>
> >
> > On 10/17/07, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > So legally, you aren't a journalist unless you're a  
> commercial journalist,
> > > > huh? Funny, other 'professions' like medicine and the law  
> aren't tied to
> > > > such mercenary considerations.
> > >
> > > im not sure i read it that way.
> > > i think they define it as someone who regularly reports on  
> something,
> > > has a track record of reporting.
> > > This is basically what a blogger can be if they are dedicated  
> to a topic.
> > >
> > > I do agree that it's trubling to read "for financial gain or  
> livelihood".
> > > does this mean you must get paid by a commercial company?
> > > can you just get donations from the community?
> > > can you have a day job and blog at night?
> > >
> > > Jay
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.DavidMeade.com
> >
>
>
> 



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Re: [videoblogging] Re: What is a journalist--Defined

[Josh Wolf]

Actually, the original language of the bill, the very same language  
that defines a journalist under the Senate version of the bill is  
quite well articulated in that it defines a covered person under the  
act of journalism as opposed to tying it to the profession and the  
economics entailed within.

Josh


On Oct 17, 2007, at 3:31 PM, Jay dedman wrote:

> > The emphasis on financial gain is extremely weird and pretty much  
> unjustifiable. I can see
> > lots of reasons why you need to discriminate between someone who  
> works (for love,
> > money, or bee in bonnet) as a journalist and someone who doess  
> not. Not all bloggers
> > qualify as journalists (citizen or otherwise) and not all need or  
> deserve to be protected by
> > a journalist's shield. But many do and they are being very  
> deliberately excluded here.
> > Are there any other fields where if you don't earn your living  
> from something you have
> > fewer rights?
>
> I wonder what a better way to word it would be.
>
> Lets take Josh Wolf as an example.
> how should it be worded to have included him?
>
> Jay
>
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Re: [videoblogging] What is a journalist--Defined

[Josh Wolf]

Pat,

Would I have been covered under the law? Possibly, due to the fact  
that I sold stringer footage of the protest that night, but even that  
is unclear due to the addition of the word "substantial" to the text  
of the law.

I've discussed this briefly with one of my attorney's and he's a  
little more optimistic than I am, but yeah, we're basically all on  
the same page here. This of course, doesn't mean that you're not  
protected under the free speech provision of the first amendment, but  
it does mean that if the government comes after your unpublished  
materials or wants to know what you discussed with your subject off- 
camera under the promise of confidentiality then you've got almost  
nothing in federal court. If this shield bill goes through and  
becomes law then those who make their living off journalism *will* be  
afforded a slightly greater level of protections but the law is far  
from perfect in terms of how it will protect them too.

Basically watching this law progress has left me feeling even more  
hopeless about our government and politics -- it doesn't help that my  
race for mayor has been a similar voyage. But the important thing is  
that I don't give up, and I'm never going to give up...

Josh


On Oct 17, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Patrick Cook wrote:

> Hi everyone:
>
> On 10/17/07, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > The US House of Representatives recently passed a Federal Shield  
> law for
> > journalist.
> > It's doesnt seem to please anyone fully, but it is a start.
> >
> > The interesting part is how they defined Journalist:
> >
> > In its current form, the law protects only "a person who, for  
> financial gain
> > or livelihood, is engaged in journalism," which involves the  
> "gathering,
> > preparing, collecting, photographing, recording, writing, editing,
> > reporting, or publishing of news or information that concerns local,
> > national, or international events or other matters of public  
> interest for
> > dissemination to the public.
> >
> > So this could include bloggers if what you do is regularly cover  
> topics as
> > your livelihood.
>
> So basically put - Unless I'm missing something here, the Josh Wolf's
> (Sorry to bring up your name here Josh if you're reading this) of the
> world *aren't* considered "journalists" as defined under this law. Am
> I correct?
>
> Perhaps someone who's in the legal profession could jump in here?
>
> Assuming I am correct, this isn't acceptable. There's a little thing
> called FREE SPEECH. Congress needs to realize this.
>
> Then again, we *are* talking about a Congress who, according to Air
> America, has a deplorable ELEVEN PERCENT voter approval rate, so
>
> Cheers :D
>
> -- 
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> Denver, Colorado
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Re: [videoblogging] Looking for VideoBloggers

[Josh Wolf]

Hi Mark, I just got back from speaking at USC and saw your e-mail;  
I'm very interested in getting involved with your project, and I can  
certainly provide you with some samples of my work. Unfortunately, as  
I was without access to a video camera for about 8 months last year,  
much of my best stuff is over a year old.  I'm currently riding on  
the subway, but I'll send you another e-mail with links to my work in  
a few hours once I get back home.

I live in San Francisco, so there really is no shortage of material  
to cover -- I've shot concerts of independent musicians, civic  
events, protests, and have also done hard news on occasion. Tomorrow,  
I will likely be out shooting the ANSWER anti-war march. Please let  
me know if you're looking for more specifics or if you'd like a  
resume, etc.

Josh

On Oct 24, 2007, at 8:46 AM, mboxser wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Are you good filmaker with a strong interest in the news and politics?
> The political video site Veracifier, www.veracifier.com, which runs
> Talking Points Memo tv, is looking for video journalists/ video makers
> to cover events around the country. Will comission people to cover
> events and pay about $200 for 3-5mins packages we use. Veracifier has
> a large audience and this is a good opportunity to showcase you work.
> Our hope is to grow a team of reporters we can use. If you are
> interested please contact me with examples of your work and events
> near where you live that you would like to cover.
>
> Marc Boxser
>
>
> 



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[videoblogging] Twitter the torch

[Josh Wolf]

On March 19, Direct Action to Stop the War successfully used Twitter  
for coordinating protest information. Today, Olympic Torch SF will  
attempt to pick up where DASW left, and expand the use of twitter into  
an open-publishing platform for news on the San Francisco Olympic  
Torch relay and the related protests.

For ongoing text-based coverage, please follow the SFTorch twitter  
account. You can subscribe to SMS updates by sending a text message to  
40404 with the message "follow sftorch." Alternatively, you can also  
follow the SFTorch feed by visiting http://twitter.com/sftorch - If  
you have any updates on the Olympic Torch or the related protests  
please feel free to send us the information by typing "@sftorch "  
followed by your message using either SMS or the twitter web interface.


For more information about the Olympic Torch SF project please visit: 
http://olympictorchsf.com

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Offensive Police Video

[Josh Wolf]

Actually no... the videos were created for the Christmas party, but  
were part of something that the producing officer had created at the  
website http://www.insidethesfpd.com -- I don't know yet whether or  
not he had an RSS feed or not -- the media content was taken down  
before more than a couple hundred people visited the site.

Josh


On Dec 11, 2005, at 1:03 PM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:53:59 +0100, teaspace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>
>
>> If any vlogger or budding amateur filmmaker produces and posts on  
>> their
>> website humourous/offensive/questionable videos of their workplace  
>> and
>> colleagues, in uniform and featuring prominently the corporate  
>> logo or
>> public brand, isn't it obviously a recipe for trouble?  Try it at  
>> your
>> day job and see if you don't get terminated or sued, let alone  
>> suspended.
>>
>
> The police videos were never intended to be public. They were  
> created for
> a closed party. Very different situation.
>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging

[Josh Wolf]

Although I haven't followed this thread from the start... I do have  
to agree that ManCheeseMo has a point although it seems somewhat  
misguided. I do imagine that FireANT's pre-loaded set of the first  
wave vloggers did provide them with a leg-up in building an audience.  
I don't consider this something to complain about, but it is probably  
true.

However, this phenomena is not what is contributing to the "good ol'  
boy network" in regards to coverage by the mainstream press. Nor is  
it their active involvement in this group and videoblogging as a  
whole which may be part of it and to be commended. The real reason  
that the same group of people are always highlighted by the  
mainstream press is that the mainstream press are lazy journalists.

Some editor somewhere tells their reporter, "I want you do to a story  
on videoblogging." Now rather than looking for sources to talk about  
videoblogging by looking around the net, the writer is far more  
likely to pull up a Lexus-Nexus search on videoblogging or video  
podcasting -- and use the exact same sources for her article as the  
one previous. This is one of the dominant reasons that the same  
vloggers are frequently profiled.

To give you an example, I was interviewed about Current TV prior to  
the launch by Salon magazine. This article prompted the AP, Knight  
Ridder, The Wall Street Journal, TIME and others to contact me and  
inquire about my thoughts on Current TV.

Josh
http://www.joshwolf.net

On Dec 16, 2005, at 11:09 AM, ManCheeseMo wrote:

> Uh, how original.  What exactly am I promoting?  I don't even have a
> vlog to promote yet.
>
> My point is that the "good ol' boy" network gets old.  If you are
> buddies with the FireANT crew or if you're one of the pre-populated
> vlogs, you'll get extra attention.
>
> There are people on this board that seem to have no job other than
> promoting themselves and their friends.
>
> IMHO, many in this group live inside a bubble where vlogging is
> everything to them.  The funny part is that most people don't care to
> watch a person talk into a camera about mudane things.  Just wait
> until the mass media catches on - then we'll really see how popular
> you are(n't).
>
> Maybe this is the new punk, but it is weak that the same people get
> all the hype when their content is no more creative than anyone else.
>  They are just part of the in crowd (or should I say the
> self-promoting crowd).
>
> Just look how sensative they get when their "power" is questioned.
>
> To those: get a life, or better yet, a job.
>
> Watch, now one of the connected moderators will probably ban me from
> this group.  Hasn't that happened to others who disgree with the cool
> people?
>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>> More shameless self-promotion by ManCheeseMo.
>>
>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "ManCheeseMo"  
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> More shameless self-promotion by Garfield.
>>>
>>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
> wrote:
>

 Plus I sent her to Vlog Soup which highlights a lot of new vloggers
 each episode.

 http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/vlog_soup/index.html

 On Dec 16, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Devlon wrote:


>  It would be nice to hear about some new videobloggers in these
> articles.
>
>

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging

[Josh Wolf]

Actually Verdi if she was writing for the business section, the hook  
might be a little more econ-orientated than "TV Stardom with $20 a  
day" -- more like, promote your product to the internet using this  
handy dandy new thing called a vlog I'm surprised Keven Tredau's  
website doesn't feature a videoblog...

Josh

On Dec 16, 2005, at 5:21 PM, Verdi wrote:

> On Dec 16, 2005, at 7:09 PM, Josh Wolf wrote:
>
>>
>> To give you an example, I was interviewed about Current TV prior to
>> the launch by Salon magazine. This article prompted the AP, Knight
>> Ridder, The Wall Street Journal, TIME and others to contact me and
>> inquire about my thoughts on Current TV.
>>
>>
>
> Exactly. After this weekend's article in the NY Times a reporter for
> our local daily paper contacted me. She was very excited about that
> article and was interested in contacting all the people mentioned.
>
> Anyway she came to NODE101 and talked to me for a long time but got
> real defensive the more I talked about circumventing the corporate
> media. I guess that's not the story she wanted for the business
> section. She seemed a lot more interested in the whole "TV stardom on
> $20 a day" thing.
>
> Verdi
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Re: [videoblogging] [MacWorld] (B/V)logger roundtable 1/9 "Blunch"

[Josh Wolf]

Hey Ted, I'd like to be a part of this, but would need to know when  
and where. Being without a car, if it's not in San Francisco or  
easily BART accessible, I can't really make it.

Thanks for the heads up on the Thursday event... it's now listed as  
an event on the meetup page.

Josh


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> bloggers and vloggers if anyone is interested. They held one in NY
> earlier and wanted to repeat it out here.
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Re: [videoblogging] Freevlog to Wordpress instruction tweak???

[Josh Wolf]

While I too wouldn't recommend You Tube, their terms of service are  
actually not that offensive. Yes, you're permitting You Tube to make  
money by licensing your content in any way they choose, but if your  
video were to be widely distributed through You Tube -- many of it's  
core users would possibly be ecstatic and not bothered by the lack of  
compensation. At the same time, You Tube doesn't allow you to create  
an RSS feed of your videos -- and there are plenty of alternatives  
which better serve the videoblogging community and are free.

 From the You Tube TOS: you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non- 
exclusive, fully paid-up, royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual,  
sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce,  
distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, perform and  
otherwise exploit the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube  
Website and YouTube's (and its successor's) business, including  
without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of  
the YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media  
formats and through any media channels.

Josh


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Re: [videoblogging] Question. Anyone know if...

[Josh Wolf]

possibly, although my hunch is that it was such an old video that  
film was not available to print long strings and that a number of  
short strips were spliced together with the marking frame still  
attached inadvertently. I really don't know and am just talking out  
of my ass though...

Josh


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> Anyone know, was the placement of frames throughout this early  
> video an attempt to watermark for copyright purposes?
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[videoblogging] BSP: "Should Journalist Josh Wolf Be Afraid?" --SF Weekly

[Josh Wolf]

Should journalist Josh Wolf be afraid?
The Assistant U.S. Attorney, the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force, and  
the SFPD want to get their hands on a video shot by a San Francisco  
blogger
By Ryan Blitstein

http://www.sfweekly.com/Issues/2006-04-19/news/news.html
At times, Josh Wolf is a journalist. At others, he's a blogger, an  
activist, or an anarchist. At this particular time, one thing's for  
certain: He's got a videotape the federal government wants.

The 23-year-old San Franciscan possesses a tape that Assistant U.S.  
Attorney Jeffrey Finigan deems essential to a grand jury  
investigation of a protest last July that resulted in injuries to two  
San Francisco Police Department officers.

To Wolf, the government subpoena of his tape represents a threat to  
his ability to gather news as an independent reporter. He believes  
it's yet another reel cast in a Justice Department fishing expedition  
that will stop at nothing to put his activist compatriots behind bars.

To the government, however, Wolf is a misguided, self-important young  
radical withholding evidence without legal justification. Regardless  
of the outcome, Wolf's predicament raises questions about how much  
information journalists should turn over to the federal government,  
and how the legal system handles those who draw little distinction  
between citizen journalism and citizen activism.

Though many facts are disputed, all parties agree that Wolf  
videotaped a July 8, 2006, protest march in San Francisco against the  
G8 Summit taking place in Scotland. At previous protests, Wolf had  
attended as an advocate for a cause, but this time he went as a  
journalist, gathering footage for his videoblog, "The Revolution Will  
Be Televised" (www.joshwolf.net).
"Most of the time I go out, I feel like I'm a fly on the wall," Wolf  
says. "Whether or not I agree with what they're doing, my role is to  
document it."

On the portion of Wolf's video that he released publicly, dozens of  
protesters, some dressed in black and wearing face masks, marched  
down the street in the Mission carrying signs and placards with  
anticapitalist, anti-government slogans or bearing the logo of the  
group Anarchist Action. Around dusk, things went awry; the tape shows  
marchers setting off fireworks and dragging metal newsstand boxes  
into the street to block traffic.

SFPD Officers Michael Wolf (no relation to Josh) and Pete Shields  
were among those called to the scene to quell what was fast becoming  
a small riot, with protesters allegedly breaking windows of  
businesses with baseball bats. When their patrol car was blocked by a  
very large foam sign under the chassis, the cops exited the vehicle  
near the corner of Valencia and 23rd. Wolf chased after a man he  
suspected of placing the sign under the car. In Josh's video, Officer  
Wolf is shown struggling to cuff the suspect amid shouts of: "Get off  
him, you're choking him!" and "Hey cop, you're going to jail for  
police brutality!" Above the din, Officer Wolf heard the sound of  
fireworks and saw smoke coming from the direction of his patrol vehicle.

Back at the car, Shields attempted to arrest someone lighting  
fireworks under the vehicle, igniting the foam underneath. Another  
protester then struck Shields from behind. By the time Officer Wolf  
returned to the vehicle, his partner was bleeding profusely from the  
head, the victim of a fractured skull.

Local law enforcement has charged three protesters with misdemeanors.  
The federal government now seeks justice on behalf of Shields, as  
well as investigating the damage to his vehicle.

Because he was videotaping Officer Wolf at the time, it's improbable  
that Josh Wolf's tape also contains footage of Shields being hit on  
the head or of fireworks being placed under the patrol vehicle. The  
Justice Department is likely looking for something else that may be  
on his tape, though they won't divulge what that something is.

Wolf doesn't want to give up the complete, unedited version of the  
tape. He believes the federal government is indiscriminately  
monitoring antiwar groups under suspicion of terrorism, and as a  
journalist he shouldn't be forced to surrender unused footage in  
support of that investigation. He won't say, though, what's on the 15  
or more minutes of the confidential portion of video.

Josh Wolf doesn't look like much of a revolutionary. With slicked,  
wavy hair, long sideburns, and the heels of his jeans fraying over  
Eurotrash sneakers, he seems more like a college kid (which he is —  
he'll graduate from San Francisco State this May). Yet Wolf believes  
that the "corporate media" will collapse within a decade, and, as co- 
founder of various indie media-related projects, he hopes to help  
create the alternative that replaces i

Re: [videoblogging] BSP: "Should Journalist Josh Wolf Be Afraid?" --SF Weekly

[Josh Wolf]

I do not know the person who has been charged with placing fireworks  
under the police car. In regards to the first question, I'm not  
really sure that I am not doing both. In presenting news of the  
demonstration I have created an excerpted video of what I saw  
observing the demonstration. I can't really say that it isn't my  
personal version of what transpired, but in a sense that's what news  
is, an observers version of what they feel has transpired.

Josh


On Apr 22, 2006, at 1:53 AM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:53:40 +0200, Josh Wolf  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>
>> To Wolf, the government subpoena of his tape represents a threat to
>> his ability to gather news as an independent reporter. He believes
>> it's yet another reel cast in a Justice Department fishing expedition
>> that will stop at nothing to put his activist compatriots behind  
>> bars.
>>
>
> So what is it? Are you a reporter reporting news (news, not your  
> personal
> version of what transpired) or are you trying to keep your buddy  
> who lit
> fireworks under a police car out of jail?
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: "Should Journalist Josh Wolf Be Afraid?" --SF Weekly

[Josh Wolf]

Hey, I've been out and about and haven't had the opportunity to weigh  
in on this issue. As I see it, the situation is as follows: the  
assault on a police officer is a local (state) offense not a federal  
one, the federal government is asserting that their involvement in  
the case stems from the fact that a police car was vandalized and, as  
the car is paid in part by the federal government, they are seeking  
to transcend the protections afforded to me under the Califronia  
Shield law to obtain the footage.

I do not have footage of the officer being struck in the head and  
furthermore, I was filming the injured officers partner when the  
officer was struck therefore it is impossible that I would have  
footage of the altercation that resulted in the injury of Officer  
Shields.

In regards to the documentary in reference, I contend that this issue  
is significantly different from that of the one I am currently  
facing. For one thing, according to the Officer Shields own report of  
the incident, he was stuck in the head while attempting to strike the  
protester with his baton. If it had not been a police officer who was  
striking someone while struck with a blunt object, the situation  
would most likely be viewed under an entirely different frame of  
reference.

Josh


On Apr 24, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Daryl Watson wrote:

> Well I'm sure the doctors think the photographic image of the cops  
> fractured
> skull is 'objective' enough to believe it's real.
>
> When the Maysles Brothers made the documentary Helter Skelter, they  
> filmed a
> stabbing in the crowd. They didn't have a problem turning the  
> footage over
> to help an investigation.
>
> "After viewing footage of the stabbing of Meredith Hunter police  
> identified
> Alan Passaro, a local Hell's Angel, as the man who did the stabbing,
> arrested him and charged him with murder. At his trial, however,  
> closer
> examination of the footage showed that Hunter had pulled a gun before
> Passaro pulled his knife. Passaro was acquitted on grounds of self- 
> defense."
> Quote: http://www.us.imdb.com/title/tt0065780/trivia
>
> That the Maysles obliged with the cops' request certainly hasn't  
> detracted
> from the quality of their documentary or their future work. (see  
> Quote:
> http://www.us.imdb.com/title/tt0065780/trivia)
>
> Josh Wolf may have footage of a guy having his skull fractured by  
> an unknown
> identity, but by calling the issue a challenge to the fundamental  
> rights of
> journalists sounds more like the guy who just wants to grandstand  
> and make a
> reputation as a journalist where there isn't one in the first place.
>
> Yeah yeah, it's about the principle...
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: BSP: "Should Journalist Josh Wolf Be Afraid?" --SF Weekly

[Josh Wolf]

f work - either paid or unpaid that demostrates
>>
> that
>
>> I have done this activity for x-amount of time then I should be
>> protected under various journalism protections.
>>
>> Or if your local NBC station had the same video you did would the
>>
> Fed
>
>> show up at the station door? What would the news director tell them?
>>
>> The label "profesional" does not matter. When the early African
>> American journalists of 1800 - 1900's could not or would not be
>> published by the existing media they created their own.
>>
>> They were not thought to be professionals by the mainstream white
>> media at the time. Didn't matter. They were representing their
>> communities that were not being servied by the publications of the
>>
> time.
>
>>
>> Are you not doing the same thing? Representing your community?
>>
>> I have to go but this post has me all shook up. This is a good
>>
> thing.
>
>> Be safe Josh but do what you feel is right.
>>
>> And to our new federal lurkers,
>>
>> ...well, you know.
>>
>> Gena
>>
>> http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com
>> http://voxmedia.org/wiki/Video
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Wolf  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Should journalist Josh Wolf be afraid?
>>> The Assistant U.S. Attorney, the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force,
>>>
> and
>
>>> the SFPD want to get their hands on a video shot by a San
>>>
> Francisco
>
>>> blogger
>>> By Ryan Blitstein
>>>
>>> http://www.sfweekly.com/Issues/2006-04-19/news/news.html
>>> At times, Josh Wolf is a journalist. At others, he's a blogger,
>>>
> an
>
>>> activist, or an anarchist. At this particular time, one thing's
>>>
> for
>
>>> certain: He's got a videotape the federal government wants.
>>>
>>> The 23-year-old San Franciscan possesses a tape that Assistant
>>>
> U.S.
>
>>> Attorney Jeffrey Finigan deems essential to a grand jury
>>> investigation of a protest last July that resulted in injuries to
>>>
> two
>
>>> San Francisco Police Department officers.
>>>
>>> To Wolf, the government subpoena of his tape represents a threat
>>>
> to
>
>>> his ability to gather news as an independent reporter. He
>>>
> believes
>
>>> it's yet another reel cast in a Justice Department fishing
>>>
> expedition
>
>>> that will stop at nothing to put his activist compatriots behind
>>>
> bars.
>
>>>
>>> To the government, however, Wolf is a misguided, self-important
>>>
> young
>
>>> radical withholding evidence without legal justification.
>>>
> Regardless
>
>>> of the outcome, Wolf's predicament raises questions about how
>>>
> much
>
>>> information journalists should turn over to the federal
>>>
> government,
>
>>> and how the legal system handles those who draw little
>>>
> distinction
>
>>> between citizen journalism and citizen activism.
>>>
>>> Though many facts are disputed, all parties agree that Wolf
>>> videotaped a July 8, 2006, protest march in San Francisco against
>>>
> the
>
>>> G8 Summit taking place in Scotland. At previous protests, Wolf
>>>
> had
>
>>> attended as an advocate for a cause, but this time he went as a
>>> journalist, gathering footage for his videoblog, "The Revolution
>>>
> Will
>
>>> Be Televised" (www.joshwolf.net).
>>> "Most of the time I go out, I feel like I'm a fly on the wall,"
>>>
> Wolf
>
>>> says. "Whether or not I agree with what they're doing, my role is
>>>
> to
>
>>> document it."
>>>
>>> On the portion of Wolf's video that he released publicly, dozens
>>>
> of
>
>>> protesters, some dressed in black and wearing face masks,
>>>
> marched
>
>>> down the street in the Mission carrying signs and placards with
>>> anticapitalist, anti-government slogans or bearing the logo of
>>>
> the
>
>>> group Anarchist Action. Around dusk, things went awry; the tape
>>>
> shows
>
>>> marchers setting off fireworks and dragging metal newsstand
>>>
> boxes
>
>>> into the street to block traffic.
>>>

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz

[Josh Wolf]

This is interesting, given that there is a video that revolves around a  
funeral only weeks before this video, I am not disinclined to think  
that this is a joke. At the same time, it is possible that the video is  
real, and assuming that it may, perhaps, be a joke is probably  
insensitive to some extent.

Josh


On Apr 24, 2006, at 12:17 PM, Andy Carvin wrote:

> Yeah, me too. And his videos are macabre to say the least. Two of the
> ones I've seen so far involve mutilating women. One features a
> demented plastic surgeon ruining the face of a model, whose
> disfigurement soon becomes a fashion craze. In the other, a man
> attacks a woman at a bar, beats her with a belt, then gouges out her
> eye with a pocket knife.
>
> Meanwhile, on the death video, there's a montage of photos from his
> childhood and a note saying his family approved the release of the
> video. It certainly looks real. But there's no mention of him anywhere
> when you do a search on google news or technorati; wouldn't the
> accidental death of a young man merit a mention somewhere?
>
> I'm debating whether to blog about this or not. If it's real, it's a
> chilling message, someone who actually lived and died by the vlog. And
> if it's a hoax, well, I guess that's newsworthy as well
>
> ac
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Sullivan"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> i noticed
>>
>> On 4/24/06, duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> this is the note on the sidebar...
>>>
>>> "Video is a place where all the horror and atrocities you ever
> dreamed of
>>> can be accomplished."
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/24/06, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  Noticed that Jen simmons had him as a student, so I asked her
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz

[Josh Wolf]

Nathan Peters' videoblog was faked to a point, but then actual legal  
trouble struck him. At some point, the lines between what was really  
going on and what was staged got very much blurred. Now his site is  
not online... I don't know what the resolution was.

Josh


On Apr 24, 2006, at 7:26 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:

> anybody remember "nathan peters' experiment" last year?
>
> hold up... that was fake?
> jesus christ!  i'm pretty on top of this list and i dont recall this.
> i saw the video and knew the drama in nathans life, but the only  
> thing i recalled him doing that was fake was some of the videos  
> where he was like doing lines etc in front of his kids or something  
> like that.
>
> nathan contacted me requesting his vlogdir entry be removed for  
> legal reasons, which i helped him with.  so that was somehow part  
> of it too?
>
>
>
> On 4/24/06, Anne Walk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> anybody remember "nathan peters' experiment" last year?
>
> one of the vloggers in the group staged a vlog of his children  
> being taken away (i'm still not even clear on what happened after  
> that episode!) when it was discovered to be an "experiment", people  
> were understandably upset.
>
> this time around, people seem to be less upset...but that could be  
> because the vlogger in question was not a member of this particular  
> vlogging community.
>
> i think it's interesting to explore the ideas of truth and personal  
> representation. i don't know if such heavy handedness is necessary  
> to do so.
>
> as for the violence, i agree completely with your impassioned  
> commentary on violence in media and it's use as cathartic proxy. it  
> titillates and then it punishes and we can go on with our lives,  
> our demons sated.
>
> one difference between "the media" representation of violence and  
> Kevin's is that, with  Law and Order, we can treat is as  
> entertainment. We already know it is fiction. with kevin, we think  
> he is "one of us".
>
> anyway, coming from an art backgroud myself, i've seen a lot of  
> stuff like this and yes, you become jaded by it. the art world  
> teaches you not to believe in anything (that's been my experience).
>
> i'd like to ask you, jen, if you had seen the video online and did  
> not see the student afterwards, as expected...if he had carried out  
> the experiment more fully and left you and the school in the dark  
> about it (perhaps even had relatives phone in with the bad news),  
> would you still think it an interesting experiment or would it  
> become something else?
>
>
>
>
> On 4/24/06, Chuck Olsen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Come to think of it - if Kevin's video had a Miller Lite logo at the
> end, it would be genius. :-)
>
> I remember camping out in the backyard in high school with my friends.
> We brought out the cordless phone (yeah, high tech!) and made some
> prank phone calls.
>
> When it was my turn, I pretended I was in jail and desparate to
> talk to my dad. I woke up some poor guy who obviously wasn't my
> dad. "Oh shit! This is my only phone call I don't know what to  
> do!"
> Rather than hang up, this guy was genuinely anguished over my
> situation and sincerely tried to help me.
>
> Needless to say, I felt pretty shitty after I hung up. I became
> wrapped up in my own prank, my own lie. This guy had an
> emotional response. I was manipulating his empathy. And
> that's just not fun. It felt wrong because empathy, I think, is
> part of our moral core and part our brain chemistry.
>
> It's only a matter of time before we see a real drunken death
> on YouTube. Everyone who has watched Kevin's video will
> probably be immediately skeptical, if not dismissive. What
> a strange feeling it will be to have that reaction, only to find
> out the death is real. Yes - it is fascinating I suppose.
> And of course it's not just Kevin, but our world, saturated
> with media violence.
>
> One difference between Kevin's "prank" and, say, Ian's final
> video where he's kidnapped - or most advertisements - is
> whether or not you believe what you're seeing is real.
> You don't see people die in advertisements. Or if you do, you
> don't think it's real. Ian's final video was pretty obviously a joke.
> So degree and context are big factors in our reactions. You know
> Kevin and have all this context for his video, not to mention,
> you know he's not dead. That's quite a different context than we have,
> and certainly the content of his video is fairly extreme.
>
> So in the end, I say all videobloggers must commit mass mock
> suicide and agree to never believe anything we see in video.
>
> (whuuuh?!?)
>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jen Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Well for one I have to disagree that this is "worse" than the  
> insidious
> > creeping take-over of the vlogosphere imagination by corporate or
> > corporate-copy-cat consumption-oriented / advertisy /
> > product-placementy / slick-is-better /
> >

Re: [videoblogging] Re: videos shot by cell phones

[Josh Wolf]

On Apr 25, 2006, at 11:12 AM, daweedrex wrote:

>  (so why am I doing this with my cell phone again? :-) )
Because you can... I'm on my way to work, so I don't have time  
actually check out your stuff... but, the fact that you're doing  
something hardly anyone else is, is reason enough to do it.



>
> David
>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "dinarebecca"  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there! Does anyone have favorite vlogs or vloggers that use a  
> cell
> > phone to shoot video? If so, let me know...we are working on a cool
> > project related to cell phone videos...you can reach me here or at
> > dinaATblip.tv. Thanks! Dina (from blip)
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bridging The Gap

[Josh Wolf]

I believe he was querying "newsgroups"

Josh


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> I ran a query for groups that contain "videoblog" and ended up with  
> zero matches. What query do you use?
>
> On 5/9/06, Joshua Paul < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Personally, I find this group to be a tremendous asset to the
> videoblogging community as a whole. People lurk. People post. People
> flame. It's all normal. Where we fall in the categorization of a
> group, well, you decide.
>
> I post very rarely, and mostly in regard to technical issues that
> nobody else seems to be chiming in on. It doesn't mean I'm not an
> active member, I've just found my particular role here (which may
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Re: [videoblogging] Sick of the sexism/looking for a ........

[Josh Wolf]

As usual, I'm a day late and a buck short...

I don't see the effectiveness of saying things like "too many white  
men involved in videoblogging," or when Brittany asked us to respond  
with a video but dropped the disclaimer, "I'll probably get a bunch  
of white men to respond," as if the opinions of anyone who happens to  
be white and male are not relevant to the conversation.

To me, it seems a far healthier version of Ryanne's complaint would  
be something like "Not enough women and people of color are involved  
in videoblogging." It's not like I chose to be white or male  
(although I guess if I wanted to I could decide to become female.)  
Yes, racism and sexism are still very prevalent in our society. Yes,  
white males probably don't encounter nearly as much of this  
discrimination. But, beyond, acknowledging this injustice and working  
towards ensuring that I don't consciously do anything to exacerbate  
these problems, I don't see quite what the solution is.

It's a problem that we do have a vlogosphere which is  
disproportionately white male. But I'm not about to take down my vlog  
in order to help with the balance. That'd be absolutely asinine.

Instead, I think we have much more to gain by looking at why so many  
vloggers are white-male and what we can do to encourage and support  
people outside of this demographic to get involved. For starters, the  
fact that more white males frequently have the economic prosperity to  
spend the money and time making a videoblog is probably one major  
factor, and as long as their is this sort of disparity across our  
real world culture we will probably continue to see more white males  
than any other group participating in the vlogosphere.

If we can do something to change this issue of disparity in the real  
world, I suspect the vlogs will follow.

Josh


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>> I just wanted to say my piece about this sillyness, I didn't want  
>> to get into a debate, but Men having >the same standards as women,  
>> come on Jay, when is that gonna happen?
>>
>
> I hear you...
> I also cringe when Ryanne goes off about too many white men involved
> in videoblogging.
> i feel i got to be guilty.
> Im always like "its not my fault we like technology and cant get
> enough of seeing ourselves".
> in the end, i see her frustration.
>
> I know these kinds of conversations can get into deep semantics, but i
> like these kinds of conversations in the group.
>
> Look, that Golf guy didnt mean to insult anyone.
> That's the ironic part...which probably made Brittney the most angry.
> But he simply became an example of the status quo.
> "If you are vivacious, hot, attractive and you have ability to get
> viewership, well, you could be famous."
>
> yes, sex sells.
> yes, its also bullshit that we keep hold these images up on a  
> pedastool.
> im sick of all local news anchors being older, respectable man with
> the young beauty by his side.
> jeezi dont want all videoblogs to feel they got to have the hot  
> girl on it.
> like Brad said...ill vote by not watching.
>
> Phil Torrone is not a hot girl.
> but i love watching him talk about technology.
> http://www.momentshowing.net/momentshowing/2006/05/phil.html
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> so Brittany lashed out.
> lets not hate.
> if you really dont think she has a point...then ignore her.
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Re: [videoblogging] Sick of the sexism/looking for a ........

[Josh Wolf]

Only if we know that it is "our outreach" which prompted them to  
videoblog in the first place. Perhaps, it is simply a situation that  
there are more white men than any other demographic who have the  
luxury of working at an office job that permits them to spend  
countless hours searching the net. As a result of this surplus of  
time spent surfing the internet, they were able to find  
videoblogging, follow the conversations on this list, and various  
other resources and go out and start vlogging.

On the other hand, people outside of that scope, might need a more  
intense outreach approach that is not focused on doing outreach over  
the internet.

Josh


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> Josh Wolf wrote:
>> Instead, I think we have much more to gain by looking at why so  
>> many vloggers are white-male and what we can do to encourage and  
>> support people outside of this demographic to get involved.
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> Perhaps we should encourage more white males to video blog. They  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Sick of the sexism

[Josh Wolf]

Well, really it depends on what country we are talking about... I've  
never been to Denmark, nor anywhere in Europe for that matter, but it  
seems like most of Europe has a thicker skin when it comes to be  
offended to shit like that. Like what being the former representative  
noun of course.

At the same time, I imagine in many countries that with strong  
amounts of religious fundamentalism, they may more sensitive... I  
seem to recall a certain incendiary cartoon.

Josh


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>> I think that Sian is from outside the US. I think that culturally  
>> it is
>> far
>> more offensive to him.
>>
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Re: [videoblogging] on vlog length

[Josh Wolf]

Depends on the target audience...

On May 11, 2006, at 11:08 PM, BevSykes wrote:

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> directly related to the endurance of the human
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: vloggercon no show

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Great news Francisco, and anyone who won't be able to make it out to  
San Francisco. Not only will we be webcasting the presentations and  
hosting them somewhere (blip.tv is one of the sponsors, but I don't  
know for sure), but we will be doing a live stream from the  
conference itself with a multi-cam set-up... now if only we could  
project images of the people watching the stream onto the walls of  
the Swedish American Music Hall...

Josh

On May 13, 2006, at 12:06 PM, francisco_daum wrote:

> Maybe the organizing parties can webcast the presentations. Doesn't
> have to be streaming, maybe blip.tv can do the hosting. Vloggercon
> noshow should be a nice vlogpost- as in "Hi, from East Harlem, I'm a
> Vloggercon 2006 No Show!"
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Tash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Same here. I wanted to go, but just don't have the means to yet. I'm
>> hoping next year being I will have saved money!!!
>>
>>
>> Natasha
>> http://postmodernartist.blogspot.com
>> http://www.natashawescoat.com
>>
>>
>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, duncan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> just a note to say that I won't be able to go to vloggercon this
>>> year.. there's a lot of you i'd love to meet in person this  
>>> summer but
>>> it's a whole heap of money that I just don't have, hope you all have
>>> fun!
>>>
>>> be well
>>>
>>> duncan
>>>
>>> (p.s. don't tell me to ask for donations from you lot..there are  
>>> a lot
>>> of other causes more worthy than my summer holiday that need  
>>> financial
>>> support, give your cash to them!)
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Re: [videoblogging] Copyright radical

[Josh Wolf]

I don't agree with that guy at all... I mean, yeah, it makes sense  
for something like wikipedia. But the fact that my videos are -NC is  
the very thing that protected me when the corporate media began using  
video that I had shot of a protest without my permission to project  
their messaging.

Josh


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> Hello Chuck,
>
> You may want to check this out also...
>
> Creative Commons -NC Licenses Consider Harmful
> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/9/11/16331/0655
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> He says "You don't get total control" when you put a creative work
> out into the world. If you want total control, keep it in your  
> bedroom.
>
> I tend to agree. That's not to say you shouldn't get paid for your
> creative work. But if you put something out into the public
> consciousness, you've already surrendered how that work will
> be perceived, contextualized, and interpreted. Or even
> mentally remixed, you might say.
>
> Our lives are mashups. The whole fucking world is a mashup.
>
> For this reason I'm increasingly against the "No Derivatives" clause
> of Creative Commons licenses. Let me give you an example. I
> was recently depressed about staying up all night doing web
> production for my job. A piece of art by Hugh Macleod *almost*
> represented how I felt. It was a purple scribble that said "We
> can't go on like this." I made it red and changed it to say
> "I can't go on like this" and posted it on my blog:
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> personal use, his CC license says "No derivatives." Those conflict.
> That license says I can look at his work, and remix it in my head,
> and create a personalized version of it, but I can't show anybody.
> I can't recreate or regurgitate my experience of Hugh's art -
> according to that CC license. Well, I say I can and I do.
>
> This is particularly true in the digital age. Hugh is not losing  
> anything
> (especially monetarily) by my personal remix of his art. You can
> say the same of using commercial music and images in your
> videos. If you're not trying to redistribute or profit from another's
> copyrighted work, why NOT include it in your creative palette?
>
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Re: [videoblogging] WIRED: Could High-Def Choke Internet?

[Josh Wolf]

I haven't really thought this through yet, in fact the idea hadn't  
occurred to me prior to reading this article, but what if instead of  
this sort of preferential pipe for corporate entities, a system along  
the lines of the 800 number were to be put in place. The article  
brings to light the idea that internet may be charged in the states  
based on usage eventually, and implies that destroying net neutrality  
is a means to avoid this. Well, what if companies could opt to pay  
for people's access to material, making this material not part of the  
account usage for the user?

Josh


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[videoblogging] Current Contradiction

[Josh Wolf]

Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a  
cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom they  
know who are "women of worth." (http://www.current.tv/studio/create/ 
vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community  
feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company to  
profile women who are working to improve the world they live in?

Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the work  
they are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this  
thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered an  
advertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the project  
might otherwise have?

What do you think?

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Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

[Josh Wolf]

I haven't seen the BP commercials, so I can't comment on those, but I'm  
not sure that this sort of thing isn't actually worse than the PSAs  
from Phillip Morris. The Philip Morris PSAs are such an obvious "our  
reputation is in the shitter, maybe this will help a bit." It comes  
across as trying to save face.

L'Oreal on the other hand doesn't have a reputation for killing  
thousands of people each year with their products. This isn't about  
saving face, it's about a new form of promotion, and given that it is a  
cosmetics company, whose entire business is focused on making women  
feel as if they need lipstick and rouge to appear attractive, it seems  
a bit puzzling to link real  work done by women with their products.

Someone asked about compensation for this project, Current TV will pay  
$1000 for any V-Cam piece they use; they also offer other rates for use  
of the piece in other mediums by the advertiser.

Josh


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>  I like the BP environmental commercials.  What's the worst there?   
> That they're raising people's awareness of their personal impact on  
> the environment?
>
> On 5/15/06, Anne Walk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: it's an  
> interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP  
> commercial for the environment.
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>> On 5/15/06, Michael Verdi < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, it  
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>> Morris.
>>> -Verdi
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>>> On 5/15/06, Josh Wolf < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hey everyone,  
>>> Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a
>>>> cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom they
>>>> know who are "women of worth." (  
>>>> http://www.current.tv/studio/create/
>>>> vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community
>>>> feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company to
>>>> profile women who are working to improve the world they live in?
>>>>
>>>> Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the work
>>>> they are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this
>>>> thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered an
>>>> advertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the project
>>>> might otherwise have?
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> Josh
>>>>
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[videoblogging] Online Graphic Novel Starring Videoblogger

[Josh Wolf]

The year is 2011, and Jimmy Burns, a young anti-corporate blogger has 
just seen his Williamsburg apartment blown to bits by yet another 
terrorist attack on New York City. He’s recorded the gruesome scene on 
his videoblog camera—footage Burns beams live to a freaked-out world 
and that makes him an overnight media sensation. Exploited by his own 
network (Global News: “Your home for 24-hour terror coverage”), enraged 
by the terrorists, and determined to tell the American people the 
truth, Burns takes off for Iraq to get the real story of a war that’s 
been raging for more than eight years. Shooting War is written by 
Anthony Lappé, illustrated by Dan Goldman.

Check it all out here:

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Online Graphic Novel Starring Videoblogger

[Josh Wolf]

Gena, the author of this graphic novel - Anthony Lappe is a friend of  
mine and co-founded the Guerrilla News Network (http://gnn.tv) -- I  
can assure you that it isn't a sophisticated ad campaign for any  
commercial product, but I suppose it's possible that it's a  
sophisticated ad campaign geared towards encouraging public action in  
the sphere of influence. But I can't say that for sure...

Josh


On May 15, 2006, at 7:01 PM, Gena wrote:

> In one sense I feel old viewing this. I know of graphic novels and
> have seen flash animation stories before. Have I just witness the
> birth of a hybrid form of storytelling?
>
> Or to take it one future step beyond, if video was overlayed in the
> background blending with graphic art what the heck do we call that art
> form?
>
> I feel old because I didn't anticipate this so soon. Can they sustain
> it? How fast and far will the buzz take it and will M$M take note. How
> do I know it isn't a sophisticated ad campaign? Does it matter?
>
> What are the lessons we as vloggers can take from this experience?
>
> Jeepers.
>
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Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction

[Josh Wolf]

Anne, while Current TV might cut the check, I'm pretty certain the  
L'Oreal payed Current sum massive sum of money that more than covers  
the $1000 that Current will be dishing out. So I'd say L'oreal *is*  
compensating folks. Further, if the video someone made was picked up  
outside of Current, that person would be paid for their commercial to  
air on other stations, but that check wouldn't come from Current  
anymore, it'd either come from L'Oreal, or some company they had  
contracted with to write the checks.

Josh


On May 16, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Anne Walk wrote:

> hey jan,
>
> loreal is not compensating folks. currenttv is. to be a woman of  
> worth, you must be a volunteer who's volunteer work helps,  
> primarily,U.S interests. the woman of worth wins five grand...to go  
> to the charity of her choice and five grand more is donated to  
> loreal's ovarian cancer cause.
>
> currenttv pays the cash...to the makers of the ads and not the  
> women of worth.
>
> this campaign has been around for a while (part of the "because i'm  
> worth it" campaign).
>
> On 5/16/06, Jan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah, the tobacco  
> PSA's make me shudder with rage. "How stupid they must
> think us," is what I think with most television advertising.
>
> Glad L'Oreal is compensating folks. Thanks for the info, Josh.
>
> Jan
>
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Wolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 3:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction
>
>
> I haven't seen the BP commercials, so I can't comment on those, but  
> I'm
> not sure that this sort of thing isn't actually worse than the PSAs
> from Phillip Morris. The Philip Morris PSAs are such an obvious "our
> reputation is in the shitter, maybe this will help a bit." It comes
> across as trying to save face.
>
> L'Oreal on the other hand doesn't have a reputation for killing
> thousands of people each year with their products. This isn't about
> saving face, it's about a new form of promotion, and given that it  
> is a
> cosmetics company, whose entire business is focused on making women
> feel as if they need lipstick and rouge to appear attractive, it seems
> a bit puzzling to link real  work done by women with their products.
>
> Someone asked about compensation for this project, Current TV will pay
> $1000 for any V-Cam piece they use; they also offer other rates for  
> use
> of the piece in other mediums by the advertiser.
>
> Josh
>
>
> On May 15, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Mike Hudack wrote:
>
> >  I like the BP environmental commercials. What's the worst there?
> > That they're raising people's awareness of their personal impact on
> > the environment?
> >
> > On 5/15/06, Anne Walk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: it's an
> > interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP
> > commercial for the environment.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/15/06, Michael Verdi < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
> Yes, it
> >> diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip
> >> Morris.
> >>> -Verdi
> >>>
> >>> On 5/15/06, Josh Wolf < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hey  
> everyone,
> >>> Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a
> >>>> cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women  
> whom they
> >>>> know who are "women of worth." (
> >>>> http://www.current.tv/studio/create/
> >>>> vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging  
> community
> >>>> feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company to
> >>>> profile women who are working to improve the world they live in?
> >>>>
> >>>> Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the  
> work
> >>>> they are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this
> >>>> thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and  
> considered an
> >>>> advertiseme

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vloggercon Schedule

[Josh Wolf]

There's a place on Lombard street that'd work pretty good if there  
are plenty of Karoake people interested...

Josh


On May 18, 2006, at 12:32 PM, Susan wrote:

> I call for karaoke Sunday night!  San Franciscans, find us a  
> place!  :D
>
> Susan
> http://vlog.kitykity.com
>
>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "LeanBackVids.com"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Are there any updates on the Friday and Saturday night events?
>>
>> Also, are there any plans for Sunday night?
>>
>> I've extended my trip until Wednesday to attend the Google Geo
>> Developer Day and Where 2.0 conference, but I'll be staying in San
>> Jose Monday and Tuesday night.
>>
>> -Matt
>> --
>> http://vlogmap.org
>>
>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "ryanne hodson"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> hey all
>>> the Vloggercon Schedule is really shaping up
>>> and there are a bunch of videos about sessions that you can view.
>>>
>>> check it out:
>>>
>>> http://www.vloggercon.com/?page_id=3
>>>
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[videoblogging] RUNtv a project of the Rise Up Network - (Re: Videobloggers United! )

[Josh Wolf]

This conversation is a good opportunity for me to mention the latest 
news about the Rise Up Network, which is meant to be a means for 
videobloggers to band together. I'm launching a television program 
called RUNtv on the college cable station I work at in Oakland, 
peralta.TV and we will be able to pay $50 for each piece that we use in 
the show. We are asking for a non-exclusive use agreement, so you don't 
have to give up any rights to your work. The show will air in the East 
Bay area on cable television and we hope to syndicate it on public 
access stations throughout. We will also be selling to DVDs of the shows 
and the money raised will go towards making this sustainable and 
developing the full website for the Rise Up Network.

I'll try to write up more tomorrow; I've been pretty busy with these 
legal issues of mine, but check out the site when you get a chance and 
think about submitting a video... and, as always, let me know if you 
have any questions about this project.

www.riseupnetwork.com

Josh

Robert Scoble wrote:
>
> Ø I struggle to see how being or not being in a union has any
> relationship to videoblogging in general
>
> Where banding together matters to videobloggers is in negotiations 
> with advertisers and also sharing resources.
>
> Let’s say you have a little videoblog that gets 1,000 downloads. Now, 
> try to negotiate with a big advertiser like, say, GM, for more CPM. 
> They won’t even answer your email.
>
> But, band together with hundreds of other videobloggers that each get 
> 1,000 downloads and now you’ll see your buying power go up by a lot!
>
> Particularly if – by banding – you can afford to hire an engineer who 
> can help show advertisers some statistics and demographics and other 
> stuff about your audience.
>
> For instance, if I knew that you had 1,000 CEOs who were watching your 
> videoblog? I could get you 100x of times higher rates than if you just 
> sell your audience at bulk rate.
>
> This is why you’ll see groups of podcasters/videobloggers like are 
> building around Adam Curry, John Batelle, and John Furrier.
>
> We don’t need labor negotiation power anymore. We need other kinds of 
> negotiation power.
>
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[videoblogging] National Lawyers Guild Condemns Attack on Free Press

[Josh Wolf]

For Immediate Release July 13, 2006
National Lawyers Guild Condemns Attack on Free Press

San Francisco video journalist Josh Wolf is being charged with civil 
contempt for exercising his first amendment right and refusing to 
provide a federal grand jury with video footage he shot at a protest 
last summer. The Guild believes that the grand jury is being improperly 
used to obtain materials which would normally be protected under 
California’s Reporter Shield Law. *The civil contempt hearing is 
scheduled for July 20th at 1 p.m. before Judge William Alsup and the 
National Lawyers Guild (NLG) will host a press conference at noon in 
front of the Federal Building—450 Golden Gate in San Francisco on that 
day. *

The US Attorney’s Office, led by Assistant US Attorney Jeffrey Finigan, 
are attempting to force Wolf to testify before the grand jury and hand 
over a video tape of a protest that occurred in San Francisco’s Mission 
District last July.

“My client’s political activity and free speech activity in the Bay Area 
as a journalist and this subpoena, with its associated threat of jail 
time for noncompliance, has an incredible chilling effect on his and 
other journalist’s freedom to gather and disseminate information of 
groups who espouse dissident beliefs,” said Attorney Jose Luis Fuentes, 
of the Oakland based Siegel & Yee firm, who is representing Wolf on 
behalf of the National Lawyers Guild.

The use of federal grand juries to target journalists and political 
activists who are critical of the repressive domestic and international 
policies of the United States government is an attack on democratic free 
speech activity. The implications of Josh Wolf’s case go well beyond a 
single journalist or protest. “Like the Judith Miller case or the BALCO 
case this is about the government’s ability to take an independent and 
free press and treat it as an investigatory arm of the government,” said 
Carlos Villarreal, Executive Director of the National Lawyers Guild San 
Francisco Bay Area. “The people of California have made it clear through 
our shield law that we prefer a free press that doesn’t have the 
government constantly looking over its shoulder.”

California’s shield law, according to a recent court decision on the 
matter, “is intended to protect the gathering and dissemination of 
news.” In that decision, the California Court of Appeals in San Jose 
confirmed that the law protected internet bloggers just as it protected 
corporate news reporters. Federal protections are not as strong.

“People protesting or on strike for better wages or marching for amnesty 
should feel free to do so in front of journalist’s cameras, just as they 
should feel free to talk to journalists,” said Wolf. “A free press 
benefits all of us,” he said.

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Re: [videoblogging] Rocketboom 2.0

[Josh Wolf]

This just in! The Cold War ended a while ago... Afraid that  
Rocketboom will give new meaning to the Domino Theory or something?

Josh


On Jul 16, 2006, at 12:38 PM, RICHARD wrote:

> I just tuned into the new Rocketboom Casual Friday episode, with  
> help from Dr Tiki and crew.
>
> Fantastic job.
>
> No commie politics, just pure entertainment.
>
> I hope that they can continue this quality of work.
> I’d tune back in.
>
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[videoblogging] (BSP) Announcing peralta.TV, a multi-platform TV station

[Josh Wolf]

Hey everyone, since January I've been working at a small educational  
television station in Oakland, CA - and my first project here has  
been to create a new website for the station and although it still  
needs  quite a bit more polishing, we're officially announcing the  
launch of our station today to coincide with some local press  
coverage we lined up. If you get a chance, come check out the site  
and let me know what you think I can do to help make it better. It  
will probably take a couple weeks before I'll be happy, but I'm  
trying to get it all up as fast as I can. The website is http:// 
peralta.tv and the press release we're sending out to all the media  
is attached below.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

Contact:
Josh Wolf
Outreach Director
peralta.TV
900 Fallon St.
Oakland, CA 94607
Phone: (415)794-2401
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: http://peralta.tv

The New Evolution at PCTV: peralta.TV
Now Available Throughout the World *

Oakland, CA – March 15, 2006 – For over 20 years, PCTV has delivered  
unique, informative and educational programming to the East Bay  
community. Today, that quality programming is now available to anyone  
with an internet connection; in recognition of this exciting new  
direction, the Peralta Community College District has launched a new  
website and adopted the moniker peralta.TV.

The new website for peralta.TV (http://peralta.tv) is built-on the  
CivicSpace Labs engine and offers a plethora of interactive and  
dynamic features: a community calendar showcasing the various events  
happening at the Peralta Colleges and throughout the greater Bay  
Area, interactive text-based blogs that will allow visitors to help  
shape and inspire the future of peralta.TV, and the most exciting  
development, a series of videoblogs that will provide on-demand  
access of our original programming to anyone in the world.

Peralta.TV is currently offering four unique and exciting original  
programs with a fifth due to launch next month. Talkback, the award- 
winning program that dares to discuss the issues affecting the lives  
of young adults in the bay area is gearing up for the premiere of its  
third season on April 7th. Windows to the World, peralta.TV’s very  
own music video program featuring music from around the world is in  
pre-production for its first full season, and Rites of Passage and  
Sierra at Large both recently wrapped up their inaugural season and  
are preparing to top last year’s critical success. Additionally,  
peralta.TV will be launching a brand new show in April focused on  
capturing all of the exciting events at each of the four campuses  
which make up the Peralta Community College District.

Synonymous with vidcasts, vlogs and video Podcasts, each show will  
offer it’s own videoblog utilizing a cross-platform flash video  
interface provided by audioblog.com along with two distinct RSS feeds  
that are both compatible with the video iPod. The first feed will  
mirror the short-form, small-screen content offered in flash, and the  
second feed will provide a full-screen higher-quality feed of each  
complete episode for users who prefer the traditional television  
experience.

In developing the station as a muti-platform presence available both  
on cable television and online, peralta.TV hopes to further realize  
its mission to create and acquire programs that foster critical  
awareness both within the East Bay Area and beyond. By creating a  
dialogue with the surrounding community peralta.TV seeks to move  
beyond the conventional norms presented in mainstream television; to  
instigate and educate; and to enhance teaching and learning as part  
of the educational mission of the Peralta Community College District  
and its four colleges, College of Alameda, Laney and Merritt colleges  
in Oakland and Berkeley Community College.

Peralta.TV can be seen on Comcast cable on Channel 27 in Alameda and  
Berkeley and on Channel 28 in Oakland, Emeryville and Piedmont. In  
the near future, visitors to the peralta.TV website will also be able  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: SF Vloggercon Hotels?

[Josh Wolf]

Now that there's BART to both SFO and Oakland, I happen to feel that  
SFO is a little more convenient although much busier in that it's one  
train the whole way into the city -- airBART in Oakland involves  
taking a bus. That said, I'd go with whichever airport offers the  
cheapest price as the differences in convenience aren't much -- both  
are fine places to fly in and never have to worry about renting a car  
or private air-shuttles.

Josh


On Mar 15, 2006, at 7:00 AM, BevSykes wrote:

> Definitely!  SFO is a zoo.  My daughter always flies into Oakland  
> and takes BART.
> -- 
> Bev
> Blog:  http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/
> Journal:  http://funnytheworld.com
> - Original Message -
> From: Bill Streeter
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 6:56 AM
> Subject: [videoblogging] Re: SF Vloggercon Hotels?
>
> I have a question about airports. Would it be okay to fly into
> Oakland and take BART to my hotel? I can get a good deal on air fare
> on an airline that only flys into Oakland.
>
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> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > LeanBackVids.com wrote:
> > > I could quickly build a little form and put the name/status in a
> > > database, but I do not think it would be as valueable if hosted
> on
> > > VlogMap.
> >
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Brett Gaylor"
> 
> > > wrote:
> > >> On 3/14/06, Kitka  wrote:
> > >>> Shame you have to sign up in order to say that you're
> attending this
> > >>> event, though.
> >
> > Or, you know, just add a page on the Voxmedia wiki:
> >
> >http://voxmedia.org/w/index.php/Video
> >
> > or perhaps the None101 wiki:
> >
> > http://node101.org/community/index.php/Main_Page
> >
> >
> > Pete
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Re: [videoblogging] Top Ten Vlogging Mistakes

[Josh Wolf]

I'm gonna pull a Verdi here and assert that there are no vlogging  
mistakes, I mean other than linking to the wrong video or something  
like that. Everything else is just counter-intuitive to building a  
certain audience, but that doesn't mean it's a mistake. Make what you  
want, how you want, but if you really want people to tune in, pay  
attention to the things that turn people off and be aware when you  
are doing these things...

Josh


On Mar 15, 2006, at 1:39 PM, francisco_daum wrote:

> 1. bad audio, if you can't hear it, well damn I hope it doesn't  
> have bad audio.
> 2. bad lighting, we'll have to resort to just listening.
> 3. bad compression- who's going to be able watch your prized work  
> of art or agrregate it?
> You have to be able to share your videos so the intellengencia can  
> deconstruct it.
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "gottadiva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>
>> What would you consider the top ten most annoying vlogging
>> errors/mistakes.
>>
>> I'll start - and I know that my opinion is going to be  
>> controversial
>>
>> 1. It irks me when people use copy protected material that they don't
>> have the legal right to use. For example many vlogs use sound from
>> famous musicians who have not authorzied putting their stuff on the
>> public domain. Or lots of vlogs will use video clips from big
>> hollywood films to which they do not have the legal right. I only use
>> stuff that's authorized under common lisc. AND/OR stuff that I have
>> purchased via stock outlets.
>>
>> I own a virtual agency and I have to negotiate with every artist
>> regarding usage rights. These folks work hard to produce their work
>> and I don't feel that it is right to take it without authorization.
>>
>> 2. Shaky video - ala 'the blair witch project'
>>
>> 3. Video with absolutely no text so that the only way I know what it
>> is about is by clicking on it.
>>
>> OK, so what are some other folks pet peeves.
>>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: another service added to test page

[Josh Wolf]

Actually, I think that feedback and suggestions should totally stay  
on the list -- this topic is something that directly ties into the  
topic of videoblogging, and I'm probably not the only person that was  
pleasently surprised to learn about all of these hosting providers.  
Of course, I'm obviously not Jay (the moderator), but my gut tells me  
that the death of this thread is not among the things that Jay is  
hoping to see...

Josh


On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Devlon wrote:

> Thanks for the awesome feedback and this site suggestion Enric.  I  
> hope this will become a good resource for videobloggers and site  
> providers.
>
> We might want to keep additional feedback and suggestions off the  
> list before we get the moderators on our case ;)
>
> Please feel free to email me directly, or use the site to post  
> feedback or suggest sites to review.
>
> -Devlon/Anne
>
> On 3/16/06, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yet another hosting service:
>
> http://www.vmix.com/
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> cheers
> r
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> my vlog: http://r.24x7.com
> good deal : http://foo.24x7.com
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> > Hm...good point, we could have a page where people could suggest a
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[videoblogging] the Rise Up Network

[Josh Wolf]

Hi, I've written to this group about this project I've been working  
to develop, the Rise Up Network , a few times in the past, but seeing  
how many new media ventures are coming out that revolve around  
videoblogging, it has dawned on me that if I don't get this thing off  
the ground soon, my window of opportunity will have past. In that  
spirit, I'm currently talking to my boss about creating a television  
show comprised of various videoblogs from all over the world which  
will be called the RUNtv, and will then hopefully create the  
necessary inertia to actually develop the website I've been wanting  
to build for a very long
while.

In order to do this though, I need to know that enough people would  
be willing to send in DVDs of their material for possible inclusion  
in the show. At this point, I can't promise to be able to pay people  
-- as I work at a small TV station with a miniscule budget --  
however, assuming I'm able to turn this into the project I've  
described below, I can promise that I will do my best to make sure  
that everyone who has helped out is helped out in return.

The website for the Rise Up Network (www.riseupnetwork.com) is about  
to be torn down and replaced with a civic-space site. Look for that  
in the next couple weeks, in the mean-time, please let me know if  
you'd be interested in sending in DVDs for this sort of project and  
I'll start to compile a list to present to my boss next week.

I've also attached a general run-down about what I've been trying to  
do with RUN, please let me know what you think.

**

For the past year or so, I’ve been working to develop the Rise Up  
Network (RUN), a 501(c)3 working to provide the tools and resources  
necessary to facilitate the democratization of the media with a focus  
on video production and online distribution.

Essentially, we are a group of people that are developing an online  
video community that harnesses the distribution power of videoblogs  
to create a database that will serve to help the end-user find the  
video that appeals to him or her. To that end, we plan to implement  
three primary methods to find what he or she is looking for.

First off, all the videos will be sorted into a dynamic list of  
categories. Second, like Flickr or del.icio.us, the system will rely  
on visitors to be able to tag videos they come across with keywords  
they feel fit the video. Finally, using a dynamic rating system  
similar to that employed by Netflix, as the number of users rating  
videos reaches a critical mass, the system will direct them to videos  
that users with similar tastes also enjoyed. As open-media  
publication has demonstrated itself as being part of the long tail  
phenomenon, not all videos will appeal to all users and this rating  
system will help the visitor find the content most appealing to him  
or her.

Additionally, the website will also feature an editorial page where  
new and worthwhile videos are brought to the attention of the  
community by members of the RUN staff.

Participation as a contributing member of RUN involves creating a  
videoblog through any service, and creating an account on RUN using  
the RSS address. There are various free services to upload video onto  
the internet, so there is effectively no cost to participate in the  
community. Of course, video cameras are still unaffordable for many  
people and not everyone has internet access but we’ve got some ideas  
to help there as well.

The business model of RUN involves a subscription service. For $20 a  
month, RUN members will receive a DVD compiled monthly out of the  
most noteworthy material assembled from contributing members who  
elect to participate by sending us their material on a DVD. In  
addition to these monthly compilations, subscribers are provided $10  
spending money in which to donate to specific videos they elect to  
sponsor. Subscribers can donate as much or as little as they choose  
and are always free to recharge their accounts.

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[videoblogging] SF - Hotels for VloggerCon

[Josh Wolf]

Hi, I just went and visited the Twin Peaks Hotel and spoke to them  
about getting a group-rate. The woman at the desk indicated that  
there wasn't a whole lot of room available for that weekend but that  
there was still plenty of rooms at this time. She offered us a rate  
of $55 for each room (a $10 discount) with a private bath, and $45 (a  
$10 discount) for rooms with a shared bath. It looks like a fairly  
clean hotel that probably has a few regular residents in it.  
Definitely not luxurious, but it's in a decent neighborhood and is  
two doors down from the Swedish American Hall where Vloggercon will  
take place. It's also only one block from the Church St. MUNI station.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: SF - Hotels for VloggerCon

[Josh Wolf]

We're not quite there yet -- I need at least 5 individual  
confirmations that they want to book the a hotel room before I'm  
going to go back to talk to them. Once I know for sure that we can  
deliver AT MINIMUM that many rooms then I will go ahead and get all  
the details locked in. Should I put you down as the first confirm?

Josh


On Mar 16, 2006, at 5:03 PM, Bill Streeter wrote:

> Cool so do we just tell them that we're with vloggercon when we make
> reservations to get that rate?
>
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>>
>> Hi, I just went and visited the Twin Peaks Hotel and spoke to them
>> about getting a group-rate. The woman at the desk indicated that
>> there wasn't a whole lot of room available for that weekend but that
>> there was still plenty of rooms at this time. She offered us a rate
>> of $55 for each room (a $10 discount) with a private bath, and $45 (a
>> $10 discount) for rooms with a shared bath. It looks like a fairly
>> clean hotel that probably has a few regular residents in it.
>> Definitely not luxurious, but it's in a decent neighborhood and is
>> two doors down from the Swedish American Hall where Vloggercon will
>> take place. It's also only one block from the Church St. MUNI  
>> station.
>>
>> Josh
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Week of Vlogging Dangerously

[Josh Wolf]

Hey -- Vlogging Dangerously -- I know all about that... The FBI  
actually showed up at my house for one of my vlogs which led to me  
being subpoenaed to appear before a grand jury which we've been  
fighting to quash. How's that for vlogging dangerously?

For more info check out my vlog

http://joshwolf.net

or read the docs at http://joshwolf.net/grandjury/

On Apr 1, 2006, at 10:45 AM, missbhavens1969 wrote:

> Now, Susan...that's too easy!
>
> Did you know your last name is an adverb?
>
> Bekah
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> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Oh MAN... I just thought up the greatest song parody... you guys know
>> me...
>>
>> "I wanna vlog... dangerously..."
>> Who can name the movie?
>>
>> :D
>> Susan
>> http://vlog.kitykity.com
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>>
>>
>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie Bryant"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> [I like the idea of vlog week, so here's me taking some  
>>> initiative]
>>>
>>> The Week of Vlogging Dangerously:
>>>
>>> Who: YOU!
>>> What: 1 week (7 days) of posting a videoblog post every day.
>>> When: April 3-9 (to get a full weekend in at the end)
>>> Why: because it's fun!
>>> How: Post to the videoblogging group under this subject line that
>>> you're going to participate, with a link to your vlog. I'll try  
>>> to set
>>> up an RSS webpage with all the "week of" vlogs.
>>>
>>> Anything else?
>>> Since it's the week of vlogging dangerously, try to do something  
>>> risky
>>> or different from your routine and vlog it. Maybe it's talking to a
>>> stranger, or sneaking a camcorder into a store with "NO VIDEO OF  
>>> THIS
>>> PREMISES ALLOWED." Maybe it's subverting the dominant paradigm, or
>>> perhaps it's risking your very soul by buying into the paradigm  
>>> for a
>>> day.
>>>
>>> You decide the file format, server, etc. This is just a challenge to
>>> get your out there and videoblogging!
>>>
>>> What if I fall behind?
>>> Post twice the next day.
>>>
>>> Will you help me?
>>> I'll post a Vlogging Dangerously suggestion each day, in case you  
>>> need
>>> inspiration. I hope you don't, though! We're all creative people! Go
>>> out and have fun!
>>>
>>> --Stephanie
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stephanie Bryant
>>> mortaine@
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Week of Vlogging Dangerously

[Josh Wolf]

I'm in! The Week of Vlogging Dangerously starts tomorrow and I'm ready!

The Revolution Will Be Televised -- http://joshwolf.net

Josh


On Apr 2, 2006, at 3:18 PM, Stephanie Bryant wrote:

> Does that mean you're in next week, too, Josh?
>
> On 4/1/06, Josh Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Hey -- Vlogging Dangerously -- I know all about that... The FBI
>> actually showed up at my house for one of my vlogs which led to me
>> being subpoenaed to appear before a grand jury which we've been
>> fighting to quash. How's that for vlogging dangerously?
>>
>> For more info check out my vlog
>>
>> http://joshwolf.net
>>
>> or read the docs at http://joshwolf.net/grandjury/
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2006, at 10:45 AM, missbhavens1969 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Now, Susan...that's too easy!
>>>
>>> Did you know your last name is an adverb?
>>>
>>> Bekah
>>> http://missbhavens.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh MAN... I just thought up the greatest song parody... you guys  
>>>> know
>>>> me...
>>>>
>>>> "I wanna vlog... dangerously..."
>>>> Who can name the movie?
>>>>
>>>> :D
>>>> Susan
>>>> http://vlog.kitykity.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie Bryant"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [I like the idea of vlog week, so here's me taking some
>>>>> initiative]
>>>>>
>>>>> The Week of Vlogging Dangerously:
>>>>>
>>>>> Who: YOU!
>>>>> What: 1 week (7 days) of posting a videoblog post every day.
>>>>> When: April 3-9 (to get a full weekend in at the end)
>>>>> Why: because it's fun!
>>>>> How: Post to the videoblogging group under this subject line that
>>>>> you're going to participate, with a link to your vlog. I'll try
>>>>> to set
>>>>> up an RSS webpage with all the "week of" vlogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything else?
>>>>> Since it's the week of vlogging dangerously, try to do something
>>>>> risky
>>>>> or different from your routine and vlog it. Maybe it's talking  
>>>>> to a
>>>>> stranger, or sneaking a camcorder into a store with "NO VIDEO OF
>>>>> THIS
>>>>> PREMISES ALLOWED." Maybe it's subverting the dominant paradigm, or
>>>>> perhaps it's risking your very soul by buying into the paradigm
>>>>> for a
>>>>> day.
>>>>>
>>>>> You decide the file format, server, etc. This is just a  
>>>>> challenge to
>>>>> get your out there and videoblogging!
>>>>>
>>>>> What if I fall behind?
>>>>> Post twice the next day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will you help me?
>>>>> I'll post a Vlogging Dangerously suggestion each day, in case you
>>>>> need
>>>>> inspiration. I hope you don't, though! We're all creative  
>>>>> people! Go
>>>>> out and have fun!
>>>>>
>>>>> --Stephanie
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Stephanie Bryant
>>>>> mortaine@
>>>>> Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at:
>>>>> http://www.mortaine.com/blogs
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Re: [videoblogging] Veoh's next step

[Josh Wolf]

This is beginning to seem almost reminiscent of the "Blogumentary"  
episode that transpired a few months ago. This is quite the  
reactionary group, and history has demonstrated that when this group  
is united around a particular, results are definitely within the  
realm of possibility. Now, the power of people in numbers is  
something I'm certainly down with, but let's attempt to look at this  
from Veoh's perspective as well.

Veoh needs content so they've decided to utilize a spider to do so, I  
don't know whether this spider results in pulling the video's from  
the HTML or if it's spidering RSS feeds. Assuming that it's spidering  
RSS feeds, it seems to me that they should set up a sort of moderated  
spider. Each feed that they've discovered and want to add should have  
a website instantiated for it with as much information as can be  
automatically filled in from the feed along with an activation link.  
Then, a staff member at Veoh can go through this list of pending  
feeds and reference the contact info on each of these sources and  
then send him or her an invitation which contains a link so that the  
user has a 1-click opt-in process available for them along with a  
personal (stock) invitation to participate in their network.

As Veoh is a for-profit service with terms of service associated with  
it, I don't believe that they can really get away with transcoding  
and re-hosting CC videos either. Further, let's be clear on one  
factor here -- they are not even allowing non-registered visitors to  
see the entire video, which means that Veoh is forcing viewers who  
stumble onto my, or any other videobloggers video, through their  
website to register on the site to even see the video which they are  
using without my permission in the first place.

Josh


On Apr 8, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Jay dedman wrote:

> On 4/8/06, Anne Walk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> I don't agree that adding obvious linkback is a solution because  
>> Veoh is a
>> social site with memberships, ratings, profiles, friends, etc. I  
>> do not like
>> the implication that I am a member of a community because my stuff  
>> was
>> spidered into it. Linking back may give a means to finding my site  
>> from
>> within the Veoh community but it does not remove that implication.
>>
>> The answer, to me, is to stop spidering and remove any and all  
>> unclaimed
>> feeds. And to not do it again.
>> If people want to become a member of the Veoh community, they can  
>> choose to.
>>
>
> undertsood.
> so i will be interested in seeing what Veoh wil do next.
> lets just make sure we dont become mobrule here.
> has Dmitry said they would take down everything they have currently  
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> is there any precedent for a service grabbing videos?
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)

[Josh Wolf]

FireAnt doesn't so much play by the rules as it plays outside the  
rules. While the FireANT directory may flag vlogs that predominantly  
re-purposed commercial content, their app works outside this ball- 
park. FireANT has no legal need to prohibit individual users from  
adding feeds to their aggregator that feature "questionable" content,  
and if they were to start doing so, it'd A, be a lot of fucking work,  
and B, would just result in many users refusing to upgrade to this  
new "improved" version of the program.

In terms of building a sustainable community of internet video within  
the legal framework of the US Government, Josh is absolutely right.  
By these companies continuing to highlight and look the other way in  
regards to content that they know is high-trafficked and uncleared  
material, then they are creating a situation akin to the Legal over- 
reactions set-off by Napster. To that ends, it isn't so much that  
Josh is battling against unfair competition, he is fighting against a  
legally unsound approach which could, conceivably, sabotage the  
future of internet video.

Josh


On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:50 PM, T.Whid wrote:

> It's more complicated than you're making it sound Josh.
>
> I've heard reports that folks at certain networks were uploading video
> to these services at the same time their own lawyers were drafting the
> cease and desists.
>
> Plus, Lazy Sunday as an example, it hit YouTube and then was *free*
> via iTunes, so obviousely NBC saw it as a promo opportunity -- which
> it was. It was the best thing to ever happen to SNL. And all those
> pirated Daily Show clips do nothing but help them.
>
> I just don't see it as a black and white issue and it's not the time
> to take a hard line on this stuff. There are folks busily creating
> services and technologies to get independently produced content in
> front of people, there's going to be bumps in the road and areas of
> fog.
>
> This may be too personal a question, please disregard if you think so.
> I truly mean no offense. Do you have such a hard line because you feel
> Fireant plays by the rules while these other services don't and
> therefor they're competing unfairly?
>
> On 4/8/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Let's also not forget that it is a right of the content owner to  
>> *not*
>> allow someone to use their content if desired. This is the same as  
>> the
>> "opt in" argument I made before. SNL was never given the choice to
>> "opt in" on YouTube. They were forced into an "opt out" only
>> situation.
>>
>> Now... several content owners may now opt in to YouTube at their own
>> discretion. And this is fine. But YouTube had no right to broadcast
>> their content without permission from the beginning. Same goes for
>> Google Video, vSocial, and any other video clip sharing site out
>> there.
>>
>> -Josh
>>
>>
>> On 4/8/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
 So how did SNL lose out when Veoh hosted their clips?

>>>
>>> Because SNL's content is owned by a corporate entity who is in the
>>> business of licensing that content to other people in exchange for
>>> money. Whenever you see SNL on TV anywhere, you can be sure that
>>> someone is getting paid for that broadcast.
>>>
>>> This would be like CBS recording the broadcast of SNL on NBC one
>>> night, and then showing it the next day on a 24 hour loop on  
>>> their own
>>> network and telling NBC they are doing them a favor by bringing more
>>> attention to their content -- for free!
>>>
>>> And to be clear, the SNL example was a reference to YouTube and the
>>> major traffic spike they got from the SNL "Lazy Sunday  
>>> (Chronicles of
>>> Narnia)" clip.
>>>
>>> -Josh
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/8/06, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>

 On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

>
>
>> Otherwise, what's the problem? Is anyone that has been  
>> complaining
>> about Veoh (including me once before) lost any money or viewers
>> because of them?
>>
>
> Um, yes, I think that argument can be made, especially for sites
> hosting content that is normally syndicated, such as SNL clips.
>
>

 So how did SNL lose out when Veoh hosted their clips? Because  
 people
 could not get back to the SNL website? Yea, its lame and this is  
 why
 Veoh doesn't have a chance in the long run - it ultimately takes
 shitty people to make a shitty business. Yet, this supported the  
 fair
 use potential and supported change, especially because Veoh was
 likely just a drop in the bucket for where people otherwise  
 illegally
 got that video.



> But furthermore, I think its about a user agreeing to the terms of
> service and opting in to participate. Veoh does not allow you  
> to opt
> in by choice. They take your content to seed their community  
> and in
> fact give you no real recourse to 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)

[Josh Wolf]

In regards to whether or not material should be considered simply re- 
purposed commercial material or videos that fall under the grey-area  
mash-up category, it seems that these videos should simply be flagged  
and a message sent to the creator of the questionable content. The  
user would then have to click on a link and write an appeal as to why  
this is an original work and not simply an extended excerpt of  
commercial media.

Josh


On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:59 PM, Anne Walk wrote:

> for me, that is the diffence between the two cases.
>
> Whether or not YouTube and the like are responsible for the  
> copyright infringement of their users is another matter.
>
> And so is the matter of utilizing popular culture in the making of  
> new work that comments on popular culture (mashups)
>
> All of these things must be looked at as separate copyright issues.
>
> On 4/8/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> So for you its about liability.
>
> YouTube can claim ignorance because the liability rests with the  
> individual users uploading the content that YouTube claims it  
> cannot police.
>
> Whereas Veoh is in control of the spidering process of  
> automatically acquiring content and thus the liability for that  
> content rests with Veoh.
>
> My disagreement however is that I believe that YouTube and others  
> like it should be responsible for the content that is on their  
> network that is obviously infringing. This is something that these  
> companies consciously look the other way on because they know it  
> will negatively impact their service. Unfortunetly, there is much  
> to be gained by hosting popular but infringing content and  
> supporting the minority of users who largely engage in such practice.
>
> -Josh
>
>
> On 4/8/06, Anne Walk < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> to me, Veoh is different from YouTube in this way:
>
> YouTube allows users to upload video. Users upload video that may  
> or may not conform to copyright. YouTube either chooses not to  
> monitor for copyright infringement or cannot do so.
>
> Veoh is the same in this regard. The difference lies in the  
> spidering. As well as a community site where users can upload  
> content, Veoh also spiders other video hosting sites as well as  
> individual vlog sites and inputs their content into their  
> "community". Veoh is directly involved in the copyright  
> infringement. That is the difference and that difference is huge.
>
>
> On 4/8/06, andrew michael baron < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
> Yea, so I was just simply making the point that Veoh just did what
> YouTube did. So what single out Veoh for this reason?
>
> On the other reasons for singeing them out, I know I have asked them
> to remove our feed before but its there again.
>
> So I just asked them to remove all Rocketboom videos, lets see how
> long it takes or if they do.
>
> On Apr 8, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
>
> >> So how did SNL lose out when Veoh hosted their clips?
> >
> > Because SNL's content is owned by a corporate entity who is in the
> > business of licensing that content to other people in exchange for
> > money. Whenever you see SNL on TV anywhere, you can be sure that
> > someone is getting paid for that broadcast.
> >
> > This would be like CBS recording the broadcast of SNL on NBC one
> > night, and then showing it the next day on a 24 hour loop on  
> their own
> > network and telling NBC they are doing them a favor by bringing more
> > attention to their content -- for free!
> >
> > And to be clear, the SNL example was a reference to YouTube and the
> > major traffic spike they got from the SNL "Lazy Sunday  
> (Chronicles of
> > Narnia)" clip.
> >
> > -Josh
> >
> >
> > On 4/8/06, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
> >>>
>  Otherwise, what's the problem? Is anyone that has been  
> complaining
>  about Veoh (including me once before) lost any money or viewers
>  because of them?
> >>>
> >>> Um, yes, I think that argument can be made, especially for sites
> >>> hosting content that is normally syndicated, such as SNL clips.
> >>>
> >>
> >> So how did SNL lose out when Veoh hosted their clips? Because  
> people
> >> could not get back to the SNL website? Yea, its lame and this is  
> why
> >> Veoh doesn't have a chance in the long run - it ultimately takes
> >> shitty people to make a shitty business. Yet, this supported the  
> fair
> >> use potential and supported change, especially because Veoh was
> >> likely just a drop in the bucket for where people otherwise  
> illegally
> >> got that video.
> >>
> >>
> >>> But furthermore, I think its about a user agreeing to the terms of
> >>> service and opting in to participate. Veoh does not allow you  
> to opt
> >>> in by choice. They take your content to seed their community  
> and in
> >>> fact give you no real recourse to opt out. Any web service or
> >>> community like that should require 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh's next step

[Josh Wolf]

That's right, and Veoh will be releasing the complete works of  
William Shakespeare in the third quarter this year...

Josh


On Apr 8, 2006, at 3:31 PM, David Howell wrote:

> 
> A room full of monkeys manually searched the internet for videos.
> 
>
> David
> http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "mikehudack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>> There are numerous feeds in Veoh with no subscribers.  How did they
>> get there?
>>
>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, WWWhatsup  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> No I don't think it works that way.
>>>
>>> If you look, f'rinstance, at Ryanne's thing on
>>>
>> http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e55696wg9YwjDy
>>
>>> you'll see he has 1 subscriber.
>>>
>>> That would be the person who submitted the feed, so that their VEOH
>>>
>> client would automatically
>>
>>> download it as and when the RSS updates..
>>>
>>> Only Ryanne has the option to add an identifier to his feed and thus
>>>
>> claim ownership
>>
>>> of the feed and customize it as he sees fit, deleting episodes, or,
>>>
>> I presume,
>>
>>> blocking it entirely, if he should wish to.
>>>
>>> I think the omission of permalink URL's etc is more likely down to
>>>
>> VEOH focusing on
>>
>>> the video and P2P distro aspects. In most TV applications the video
>>>
>> content
>>
>>> speaks for itself.   They do give the associated text. I am sure
>>>
>> they'll fix this.
>>
>>>
>>> I took the trouble to claim my feed. You'll notice looking at the
>>>
>> details
>>
>>> http://veoh.com/seriesDetails.html?s=s2644
>>> that it links to my info, another page that has my URL etc. And that
>>>
>> also I take the trouble
>>
>>> to include the permalinks in the associated text.
>>>
>>> I think the 'unclaimed feature' is intrinsic to the secondary VEOH
>>>
>> concept of
>>
>>> an aggregator that enables P2P propagation, but since that arrived
>>>
>> after their
>>
>>> primary concept of direct video publishing via P2P,  they haven't
>>>
>> thought
>>
>>> through all the issues, perhaps. Adding the ability for users to
>>>
>> subscribe to 3rd party
>>
>>> RSS feeds was an afterthought..
>>>
>>> Then, with the rise of YouTube etc, they have scrambled to provide
>>>
>> similar flv
>>
>>> functionality for their publishers.
>>>
>>> joly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 04:46 PM 4/8/2006, you wrote:
>>>
 hi joly,

 if you upload a feed to Veoh, it is my understanding that the feed

>> will fall under the name of the user submitting the feed. it will be
>> "claimed" by them. unclaimed feeds have gotten into the system  
>> through
>> means of automation. that's why they are not affiliated with any Veoh
>> user. instead of a user name, you see the name of the vlog (eg:
>> kitykity's vlog) or hosting service the feed was taken from. i doubt
>> there is a user on Veoh called blip.tv.
>>

 i like the idea of being able to make and distribute large files

>> via a service like Veoh. that's great. i don't like the unclaimed  
>> feed
>> "feature".
>>

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Re: [videoblogging] if you saw a rss feed on hunting sponsored by john deer

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If I saw an RSS feed on hunting tips, I'd wouldn't subscribe whether  
or not there was a corporate sponsor... but at the same time, I would  
probably subscribe to an rss-feed sponsored by High Times chronicling  
a hydroponic grow. But, I wouldn't think of it as independent media,  
I'd think of it as commercial entertainment. At the point that vlogs  
have corporate sponsors it simply becomes a decentralized form of  
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Re: [videoblogging] VlogTV?

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Setting up a vlog TV station has a few practical concerns that need  
to be worked out, but beyond that, I'm guessing the guy runs  
infomercials 24/7 because they pay the bills of the TV station... I'm  
not sure what sort of business model would work here with Vlog-TV.  
The first approach would obviously be the traditional one, but would  
there be ample interest in companies wanting to advertise on such a  
station? Would the vlog community want there stuff to be screened on  
television sandwiched between advertisements?

Josh


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> Got this in an e-mail from a friend, who is trying to learn about  
> videoblogging.
>
> " in your vlogoshere group - would you be
> interested in a TV station that aired vlogs similar to the radio  
> station
> that plays the podcast?  Just trying to think of ways to utilize  
> the TV
> station that the guy I work for owns - currently it runs 24hrs of
> info-mercials!  BORING! "
>
> I think it might be an idea like VlogTV (similar to MtV), vlogs 24  
> hours a day, taken from the
> inernet and shown on the TV.  I don't know...I'm just doing my duty  
> to see what sorta
> responses people here would have about it.  Tv and the computer  
> will merge soon enough,
> but maybe during the transition periods, to help people understand  
> alternative/independent
> media a bit better, and for people who are less wired, without  
> broadband...which is the vast
> majority.  So, please everyone...thoughts?  fire away!
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Re: [videoblogging] San Francisco Ski Jump

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Here you go Bev, both Rene and myself made a video of the ski jump...  
anyone wanna remix the two of them? I got the take-off and she got  
the landing. It's just waiting for you to put them together...



Josh

PS - So once upon a time I had quite a few subscribers to my ANT  
feed, slowly they disappeared. Then I found out my feed was broke.  
It's now fixed and I'd be honored if you re-subbed... Thanks For Your  
Consideration...

Josh


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> Francisco tomorrow.  If I weren't going to be flying across the  
> country, I'd definitely be there!
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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

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From: http://tinyurl.com/d6kbc
"I have just heard through the grapevine that a popular video blog  
has just been asked by Apple if their videocast can be used in  
Apple’s presentation on Wednesday, Oct 12th."

Hey Andrew... was Rocketboom asked? Of course, you can't really  
answer that question on a public list without facing the wrath of  
Apple if it is indeed the case, but if so... that's awesome. If I was  
Apple I would definitely introduce Videoblogging on the iPod with  
Rocketboom...

I want an iPod with a high-quality microphone that can attach to an  
iSight and record video. That's the perfect videoblogging tool.



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> reliable evidence has corroborated reports of the development of a
> video iPod, information has pointed to a release date later than
> October. Recent notes suggest otherwise, however, and tomorrow may in
> fact see the release of a video iPod, while Mac updates may not be
> delivered until next week."
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Re: [videoblogging] iTunes FAQ

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My videoblog has been listed in the iTunes Directory for a while now,  
it took forever at first, then I found the iTunes settings in  
Feedburner and within a few days I was seeing a whole bunch of people  
on iTunes finding my feed. In regards to content... punks rioting  
through the streets is pretty much my bread and butter... and I  
haven't head any problems thus far.

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> Would anyone who has succesfully posted their videoblog to the  
> iTunes directory be willing to give a little FAQ, and maybe post it  
> somewhere?  I wasn't aware that you had to do anything special to  
> your feedburner feed to get it to work in iTunes...am nervous of  
> the same fate as poor josh...
>
> Do they filter for content?  I have some short films that our doc  
> company is thinking of putting into a "channel", but we tend  
> towards the social/political side of things, sometimes in a very  
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[videoblogging] Rocketboom sorta featured on Steve Jobs announcement...

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Hey guys, so I finally watched the vidcast of Steve Jobs announcement  
for the video iPod... about 13:50 into the presentation he's  
introducing video podcasts and shows a video from Tiki Bar TV, but  
Rocketboom is the only other "video podcast" in his chart...

So you guys weren't the featured video, but they did give you a bit  
of advertising anyhow. Rockin!

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Re: [videoblogging] Days after ViPod

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On Oct 25, 2005, at 1:55 PM, Charles HOPE wrote:

> johngaltsjournal wrote:
>>
>> "Television over the Net".  Hmm.  It kinda bothers me.  Am I the  
>> only one?
>
> It's not Linux, it's GNU/Linux. And you live in Frisco.
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Re: [videoblogging] Days after ViPod

[Josh Wolf]

Hey Ted...

Good to see you on here...

I happen to like the term JD has chosen to utilize, with the personal  
media revolution.

Josh


On Oct 25, 2005, at 1:26 PM, Ted Tagami wrote:

> I see it as a marketing crutch.
>
> Like Pavlov's dog (does anyone know that poor dog's name?), the  
> conditioned response to the consumer masses is "television" to  
> describe what we are embarking upon.
>
> Surely someone can come up with a better name (besides the greek- 
> latin: tele-visio) to cover the arc of distributed media. So, any  
> ideas? (Yes, the movement does extend beyond vlogs)
>
> - Ted
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> I thought this little blurb on the Apple store site here in San  
> Francisco:
> Pixel Corps
> Join Pixel Corps every Tuesday in November as they showcase  
> different aspects of producing,
> shooting and distributing a television show over the Net.
> November 1, 8, 15, 22 and 29,
> 6:00 p.m.
>
> "Television over the Net".  Hmm.  It kinda bothers me.  Am I the  
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Re: [videoblogging] Free, private blog?

[Josh Wolf]

I'm in total agreement with Michael's sentiment; to that end, I think  
the best solution might just be Livejournal. Every kid could  
establish his or her own live journal account, and make their entries  
only viewable to "friends." This provides the level of security that  
the administration demands and yet it also allows the kids to very  
easily modify their journal at their own discretion to allow the  
world at large to see it. It also allows the kids to selectively  
invite friends to see their work.

A long time ago, Live Journal wasn't exactly free, or you needed to  
score invite codes. Though it wasn't completely free with an invite,  
an account was damn cheap and didn't have to be renewed beyond the  
first month.

Josh


On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:07 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

> Install Wordpress on your own server, and then password protect it
> with .htaccess. That should work reasonably well. You'll need to pay
> for the server, but the school might cover that coast. Dreamhost is
> around 7 dollars a month.
>
> Wordpress is free.
>
> -Josh
>
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> On 11/19/05, Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> This is my frustration with trying to work inside a school system and
>> why I don't even try anymore.  It's ridiculous that they think that
>> young people aren't capable of doing this stuff by themselves without
>> anyone's permission.  That being the case why try to control it so
>> much?  Sure, put video and writing on the internet but how can we
>> keep it private for the kids security?  Have they never heard of
>> Blogger, LiveJournal, MySpace, Xanga, etc, etc, etc.? The words,
>> photos, and videos of young people are all over the internet
>> already.  Who do they think they're protecting?  It's like pretending
>> that kids aren't having sex and that telling them about birth control
>> will only promote the idea.  Give me a break.
>> Verdi
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>>> Yahoo
>>> for this as it's blocked by board of Education filters at the site
>>> where
>>> I'll be.
>>>
>>> I want something easy to set up and free a la blogger. Also, I'd  
>>> like
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>>> with
>>> the same login.
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Re: [videoblogging] War On Text

[Josh Wolf]

War on Text? This is the most asinine idea that I have ever  
encountered. First off, we're talking about a natural evolution that  
will or won't occur whether or not you decide to declare a supposed  
"war on text." Secondly, let's look at this historically, prior to  
the invention of the telephone, people wrote letters and many of  
these letters were quite eloquent; just watch a Ken Burns doc.  
Suddenly the telephone allowed us to communicate instantaneously and  
allowed us to have the banal conversations we have every day even  
when our loved ones were away. This point marks the decline of letter  
writing. Before there was radio and then TV, books were a more  
prevalent form of entertainment, and there is something to be said  
about the literary value of a well-written book that simply isn't  
comparable through video. I can list dozens more reasons why text is  
a valuable part of our culture, and the very fact that you're  
engaging in this dialogue through a written mailing list proves it.  
So please tell me why you want to embark upon a "war on text?" Really  
the whole idea is needlessly provocative and altogether spooky...

Josh

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On Nov 22, 2005, at 7:56 PM, Joan Khoo wrote:

> I'm not so keen on the war on text. Don't get me wrong, I love  
> audio and video as a medium. But I also have a love interest with  
> the written word. As much as I love to watch what everyone else is  
> doing and feeling, sometimes I prefer to let my imagination take  
> hold when reading a text.
> -Joan
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> On 11/23/05, Lucas Gonze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On  
> 11/22/05, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > i keep thinking of my (unborn)kids who will go online and SEE and  
> HEAR
> > the world through their computers. Its a real sharing of
> > consciousness.
>
> Seeing and hearing is a lot closer to the way we think about things.
> It's easier to absorb what somebody is saying if you can see their
> face and hands and body language.  I mean, there has never yet been a
> text blog post where the person didn't talk at all, yet people
> communicate without talking in the real world all the time.
>
> I'll be sad when that happens.  I love writing and the way that the
> internet has gotten me to write all the time.  I remember when the
> internet first blew up that I was exercising my writing muscles more
> than I ever had, but that's not going to be the case when things are
> mainly seeing and hearing.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text

[Josh Wolf]

On Nov 23, 2005, at 9:59 AM, Steve Watkins wrote:

> The most asinine idea ever? Wow I must be getting somewhere :)
>
> Let me expand on what I meant. For a start the term 'war on text' is
> supposed to be tongue in cheek, as the 'War On Terror' is one of the
> most stupid things Ive ever come across.
>
  Tongue in cheek or not, not everyone out there seems to realize  
just how antithetic the entire idea of an armed war against terror  
really is. By the same token, people could, though probably not, take  
the "War on Text" seriously, as I said:

>> Really
>> the whole idea is needlessly provocative and altogether spooky...



> Secondly Im a massive hypocrite on this issue because Ive posted about
>  million words here over the last year but only 3 videos. But that
> doesnt stop me hating the downside of text, such as how
> arguments/debates end up going when done via text.

Although it's true that there is a much greater tendency to get cruel  
and personal through text-based arguments. I'd prefer to think that  
not everyone suffers from this neurosis that results in countless ad  
hominid attacks, and debates over text can frequently result in a  
much more comprehensive discussion of the issue than what might be  
brought up in a a/v conversation.


> I dont think your version if history tells the full story because its
> missing out the fact of just how many people were and still are
> illiterate.

That's completely true Steve, but to suggest that the solution is for  
us to equalize the great divide by abandoning the written language.  
Oh wait, maybe I suddenly get it... it's almost like dropping white  
phosphorous on women and children in Fallujah  in a war against WMDS.  
That probably seems harsh, but dude, computers and the internet are  
obviously just as great a barrier, divider, and unequalizer, and just  
as strong a tool that threatens to maintain the status quo (although  
they don't do a good job at keeping people in place, but neither do  
books.) Yes, the $100 laptop could theoretically change all of this,  
but Negroponte's project still seems more like a pipe dream to me and  
wouldn't help those who are functionally illiterate within the US.



> In this sense text can be  great barrier, a great divider,
> a great unequalizer and tool of maintaining the status quo and keeping
> people in their place. These sorts of things along with language
> barriers make me dream of computers that required no understanding of
> the written word in order to be used, quite a challenge, but that no
> excuse for the world never trying this stuff.
>
> I really like this quote from the film 'A Fistful of Dynamite', which
> doesnt quite fit this topic but overlaps it a bit in my mind:
>
> "The people who read the books, they go to the poor people, and they
> say "we have to have a revolution". So the poor people go out and make
> the revolution. And then the people who read the books, they sit
> around the fancy tables and talk. And what has happened to the poor
> people ? They are DEAD !!.
> And then the whole fucking shit starts all over again.
> Dont talk to me about revolutions."
>
>
> OK I dot really want a war on text, as if such a thing was possible.
> But I do favour text being used where it works best, and as many
> lively discussions as possible taking place via video instead. I am
> currently considering whether to throw my hat into the ring of people
> using flash comm server (now flash media server) to deliver
> interesting video services on the web, I'll do anything to get rid of
> the text version of me which I consider to be even more of a nghtmare
> than the multimedia version of me lol.
>

So I basically agree with you here... to the extent that, I think  
people need to not feel limited to only communicating via text. I  
think cell phones are starting to change the way people view  
different mediums. Now that you can send photos and videos to your  
friends from your phone, I think people are beginning to liberate  
themselves from only communicating simply with language. That's cool.  
But for me it's all about finding your voice, not assigning boxes for  
where text is and is not appropriate.

"When they give you lined paper write the other way." -- Juan Ramon  
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> Steve of Elbows
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
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>>
>> War on Text? This is the most asinine idea that I have ever
>> encountered. First off, we're talking about a natural evolution that
>> will or won't occur whether or not you decide to declare a supposed
>> "war on text." Secondly, let's look at this hi