Re: Seeing Eye app
Try writing iph...@senderogroup.com HTH, Richard “The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.” Elizabeth Taylor (Sent from my iPhone 5S) > On May 19, 2016, at 6:45 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli> wrote: > > Hi: > I keep trying to renue my app subscription. It says I’ve bought it, but will > keep asking me to purchase when I open the app. Help! > Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Seeing Eye app
Hi: I keep trying to renue my app subscription. It says I’ve bought it, but will keep asking me to purchase when I open the app. Help! Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Seeing Eye app on sale
Hi Group, I received this in an email and I hope it is true. See the email below. -- Forwarded message -- From: Kim Casey k...@senderogroup.com Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 06:09:58 -0800 Subject: One-day iPhone GPS super-sale! To: Kim Casey k...@senderogroup.com It's finally here! To celebrate the 6th birthday of Mike May's Seeing Eye dog, Tank, Sendero is having a one-day sale on the one-year subscriptions for Seeing Eye GPS and RNIB Navigator apps today. For today only, pay $39.99 for a one-year subscription! North American customers can purchase Seeing Eye GPS at: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/seeing-eye-gps/id668624446?mt=8# U.K. and Ireland customers can purchase RNIB Navigator at: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/rnib-navigator/id783866151?mt=8 Please be advised that should you have urgent matters pertaining to the health and or quality of work of your Guide dog, you should contact the Guiding Eyes training department as soon as possible. Training staff will be able to offer professional support. ___ Geb-grads mailing list geb-gr...@lists.screenreview.org http://lists.screenreview.org/listinfo.cgi/geb-grads-screenreview.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: ?: The Jaw Bone BT Headset or the After Shock BT Headsets for the Seeing Eye App or Use With Other GPS
Hello, I changed the subject line, but it is related to which headset would be a better fit with the Seeing Eye GPS or other GPS apps used on the iOS devices. Unfortunately, I have misplaced my After Shock headsets, so I am not sure if I will replace them or look at the Jaw Bone BT headset. Can anyone delineate the differences between the two and why they would purchase one over the other? thanks in advance. Cheers, Eileen On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I haven't. I do have the aftershocks blue hed set. from Mich. - Original Message - From: isaac To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 9:38 AM Subject: Re: what is a good vo accessible ear peace to use with the seeing eye gps app? Have you tried the jaw bone bluetooth headset? On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: Hi all. I just downloaded the seeing eye gps app. I am wondering what is a good vo accessible blue tooth ear peace that would be good to use with this app? Many thanks for any recommendations that any one can give me. from Mich. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visitinghttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: ?: The Jaw Bone BT Headset or the After Shock BT Headsets for the Seeing Eye App or Use With Other GPS
Hi. For this purpose, I would personally choose one of the Aftershokz models for the simple reason that the Jawbone BT headset still goes into one ear, thereby blocking out some sound. The Aftershokz do not interfere with your hearing at all. Best Regards, Rick alfaro On 1/8/2014 5:17 PM, Eileen Misrahi wrote: Hello, I changed the subject line, but it is related to which headset would be a better fit with the Seeing Eye GPS or other GPS apps used on the iOS devices. Unfortunately, I have misplaced my After Shock headsets, so I am not sure if I will replace them or look at the Jaw Bone BT headset. Can anyone delineate the differences between the two and why they would purchase one over the other? thanks in advance. Cheers, Eileen On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I haven't. I do have the aftershocks blue hed set. from Mich. - Original Message - *From:*isaac mailto:isaac.heb...@gmail.com *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:*Wednesday, January 08, 2014 9:38 AM *Subject:*Re: what is a good vo accessible ear peace to use with the seeing eye gps app? Have you tried the jaw bone bluetooth headset? On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: Hi all. I just downloaded the seeing eye gps app. I am wondering what is a good vo accessible blue tooth ear peace that would be good to use with this app? Many thanks for any recommendations that any one can give me. from Mich. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailingviph...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visitinghttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailingviphone+ow...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailingviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visitinghttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailingviph...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visitinghttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailingviphone+ow...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailingviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visitinghttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailingviph...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visitinghttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailingviphone+ow...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailingviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visitinghttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave
Re: ?: The Jaw Bone BT Headset or the After Shock BT Headsets for the Seeing Eye App or Use With Other GPS
Hi Rick, Thanks for the prompt response. I will definitely replace the After Shocks after I do a thorough search within the home. I still think they are around somewhere, but that's always my dilemma in finding something that I have misplaced. *Smile* Eileen On Jan 8, 2014, at 3:13 PM, Rick Alfaro rick.alf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. For this purpose, I would personally choose one of the Aftershokz models for the simple reason that the Jawbone BT headset still goes into one ear, thereby blocking out some sound. The Aftershokz do not interfere with your hearing at all. Best Regards, Rick alfaro On 1/8/2014 5:17 PM, Eileen Misrahi wrote: Hello, I changed the subject line, but it is related to which headset would be a better fit with the Seeing Eye GPS or other GPS apps used on the iOS devices. Unfortunately, I have misplaced my After Shock headsets, so I am not sure if I will replace them or look at the Jaw Bone BT headset. Can anyone delineate the differences between the two and why they would purchase one over the other? thanks in advance. Cheers, Eileen On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I haven't. I do have the aftershocks blue hed set. from Mich. - Original Message - *From:*isaac mailto:isaac.heb...@gmail.com *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:*Wednesday, January 08, 2014 9:38 AM *Subject:*Re: what is a good vo accessible ear peace to use with the seeing eye gps app? Have you tried the jaw bone bluetooth headset? On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: Hi all. I just downloaded the seeing eye gps app. I am wondering what is a good vo accessible blue tooth ear peace that would be good to use with this app? Many thanks for any recommendations that any one can give me. from Mich. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailingviph...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visitinghttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailingviphone+ow...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailingviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visitinghttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailingviph...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visitinghttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailingviphone+ow...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailingviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visitinghttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailingviph...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visitinghttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailingviphone+ow...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailingviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visitinghttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options,
Re: The Jaw Bone BT Headset or the After Shock BT Headsets for the Seeing Eye App or Use With Other GPS
The Aftershokz are bone conduction so the pieces do not sit on or go into your ears. This means that you can hear things like traffic sounds along with your GPS, or whatever is coming through the headset. Don’t know if the Jawbones are bone conduction. Andy From: Eileen Misrahi Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 2:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: ?: The Jaw Bone BT Headset or the After Shock BT Headsets for the Seeing Eye App or Use With Other GPS Hello, I changed the subject line, but it is related to which headset would be a better fit with the Seeing Eye GPS or other GPS apps used on the iOS devices. Unfortunately, I have misplaced my After Shock headsets, so I am not sure if I will replace them or look at the Jaw Bone BT headset. Can anyone delineate the differences between the two and why they would purchase one over the other? thanks in advance. Cheers, Eileen On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I haven't. I do have the aftershocks blue hed set. from Mich. - Original Message - From: isaac To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 9:38 AM Subject: Re: what is a good vo accessible ear peace to use with the seeing eye gps app? Have you tried the jaw bone bluetooth headset? On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: Hi all. I just downloaded the seeing eye gps app. I am wondering what is a good vo accessible blue tooth ear peace that would be good to use with this app? Many thanks for any recommendations that any one can give me. from Mich. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visitinghttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr
Re: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall
Interior navigation is a holy grail of navigation. these days. I have had many conversations with professors here at the university about this, and it is currently not achievable without very large infrastructure modifications to buildings. GPS just does not work in doors. Cell is not good enough for triangulation. Even indoor broadcasting is problematic because of multipathing, radio waves bounce all over the place and their arrival time to your receiver can actually be quite off from their actual distance to you. Bluetooth is OK for basic broadcasting of data, say from a specific store, but still makes for issues with navigation. For example, you could walk into a mall, have the mall load it's map onto your device, then bluetooth transmitters could tell your device what store you are passing close to, and then an app on your device would corelate that with the internal map and begin some form of path planning. This is great, but it again requires a lot of infrastructure changes. Installation and maintenance of all the transmitters, developing and maintaining accurate maps and data for the transmitters, and maintenance of the transmitters. None of this is impossible, nor particularly difficult, we just haven't reached a point where wide spread adoption of this is valuable enough to the stake holders for it to get any traction. I expect it is coming, and it has been demonstrated by Google already, but it will be a while before it is deployed on any scale. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall
Have you tried using the app Places Around? Maybe it will do what you are wanting. I used this app this summer while on vacation. It was able to tell me that a particular place was within feet of me. I haven't tried it in a mall, actually never thought of doing so.The app is Free, so why not give it a try. Donna I would like to use the Seeing Eye app to identify stores I am walking past in a mall, but I can't figure out how to get this info. I was using it inside a mall today, and it told me a couple of things, like that Starbucks was nearby, but it was mostly telling me about streets and intersections near the mall. What settings do I need to make sure the app is set to in order to get it to identify the stores inside? Is it part of the location wand, or is it a particular setting, or some combination of things? Thanks, Sarah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall
Hi Sieghard. You're probably right about things like stores in a mall not being in some GPS apps, but these apps use more than the satellites to get their position. They use triangulation from several cell towers to get a more accurate position. This is why you can get to within ten feet or so to a location in a place like an airport, where the satellites may be very difficult to receive. The Seeing Eye app does this, and I'm sure other GPS apps do the same thing as well. What I think will happen is malls will start producing apps, and when you walk by a store it will vibrate your phone and alert you of items for sale at the store, or perhaps even producing a coupon for the store on the screen. To get these apps accessible to us VO users, we'll need to tell the mall owners of our needs. This could benefit us as blind users in a couple of ways. First, it gives us easier travel in a mall. The second is people could realize that blind people can be quite independent with the right tools. Just my thoughts. Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY kmi...@windstream.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall
They also use triangulation to known wifi hot spots, which is why you get that message that your location accuracy will decrease if you turn off wifi. On 11/07/2013 12:26 PM, Kevin Minor wrote: Hi Sieghard. You're probably right about things like stores in a mall not being in some GPS apps, but these apps use more than the satellites to get their position. They use triangulation from several cell towers to get a more accurate position. This is why you can get to within ten feet or so to a location in a place like an airport, where the satellites may be very difficult to receive. The Seeing Eye app does this, and I'm sure other GPS apps do the same thing as well. What I think will happen is malls will start producing apps, and when you walk by a store it will vibrate your phone and alert you of items for sale at the store, or perhaps even producing a coupon for the store on the screen. To get these apps accessible to us VO users, we'll need to tell the mall owners of our needs. This could benefit us as blind users in a couple of ways. First, it gives us easier travel in a mall. The second is people could realize that blind people can be quite independent with the right tools. Just my thoughts. Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY kmi...@windstream.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall
GPS in conjunction with cell tower triangulation can boost recognition up to 10 feet on a very good day with strong GPS reception. That said, Cell tower signal alone can give an accuracy of approximately 3 miles. When in the coverage area of two towers, the accuracy is between one quarter and half a mile. For accuracy of a few feet that one would need inside a mall, one would need to be receiving signals from between 15 and 20 location-based transmitters. The UK is experimenting with this for guiding large ships through the extremely crowded English Channel. Stores are experimenting with BlueTooth radio transmission technologies for alerting shoppers to specials they might like whilst shopping in different areas of the store. These transmissions should also work to help blind people navigate malls and such, but the concepts are still in development. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 8 Nov 2013, at 7:26, Kevin Minor kmi...@windstream.net wrote: Hi Sieghard. You’re probably right about things like stores in a mall not being in some GPS apps, but these apps use more than the satellites to get their position. They use triangulation from several cell towers to get a more accurate position. This is why you can get to within ten feet or so to a location in a place like an airport, where the satellites may be very difficult to receive. The Seeing Eye app does this, and I’m sure other GPS apps do the same thing as well. What I think will happen is malls will start producing apps, and when you walk by a store it will vibrate your phone and alert you of items for sale at the store, or perhaps even producing a coupon for the store on the screen. To get these apps accessible to us VO users, we’ll need to tell the mall owners of our needs. This could benefit us as blind users in a couple of ways. First, it gives us easier travel in a mall. The second is people could realize that blind people can be quite independent with the right tools. Just my thoughts. Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY kmi...@windstream.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall
GPS can locate you with in a 30 foot circle with you at it's center. The United States government controls that. They keep it that way for good reasons which I won't go in to here. I'm just giving you an over view of how GPS works so that you'll better understand. As was already pointed out, inside a building the GPS signals are very week. The stores in a mall are very close together and even if you should by some chance get a good clear signal, it still won't do you any good. Here's why. GPS or ground positioning system can only use latitude and longitude signals. Where those two points meet is where your standing. That raw data isn't going to do you much good in the real world. A sailor at sea who knows how to shoot a star with a sexton and hasn't forgot totally how to use one could figure out where he and his ship is. Today, they have computers to do that for them and give a constant reading. Meanwhile back in the real world, a GPS system locates you using internal or external maps. The data can be right or wrong and those of us who have been using GPS for the blind for many years have come to know that there can be gotchas in the data base your using. For example, the map data may say your at point X when in reality, your nowhere anywhere near that place or point. As they use to say in computer programming, garbage in, garbage out. In other words, the GPS can only report to you what's in it's database. With week signals inside a mall and no database to refer to, your GPS is useless even if it did get a good clean signal. There are other ways it can be done but not with GPS alone. --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 11:00 PM Subject: RE: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall Hi Sarah, I don't think there is a single GPS app which will do this. The GPS signal is very weak to begin with and while modern receivers are very good and often might pick up the signal inside a building, the accuracy will suffer especially given all the interference of concrete, steel etc. Another thing is that I doubt the stores in a mall are mapped. I think we'll have to wait until malls map their buildings and put other technologies like RFID or Bluetooth beacons in place and then provide apps which can access this information before we get useful results inside malls or other large buildings. Give it 10 years and we probably look back and shake our heads in wonderment why this didn't exist before. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Clark Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall I would like to use the Seeing Eye app to identify stores I am walking past in a mall, but I can't figure out how to get this info. I was using it inside a mall today, and it told me a couple of things, like that Starbucks was nearby, but it was mostly telling me about streets and intersections near the mall. What settings do I need to make sure the app is set to in order to get it to identify the stores inside? Is it part of the location wand, or is it a particular setting, or some combination of things? Thanks, Sarah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone
Re: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall
A few corrections: GPS stands for global positioning system GPS signal is very weak outside. Inside a building, save when one is by a window, or sometimes near a skylight, where enough signals can get through, the GPS signal is nonexistent. GPS can locate you somewhere within a 10 to 30 feet circle, but not know exactly where in that circle you are actually located, only on a clear day with nothing blocking the line of sight to the satellites. In a city with tall buildings, in mountains, in canyons, in woods, and so forth, the accuracy will almost never be that good. This is because the computer triangulates one's location based on the time stamp of the signal and knowing which satellite is broadcasting the signal. The computer determines one's approximate location by the time differences between all the signals reaching the receiver. Oh, and at least four or five different signals are necessary in order to place one's location within a mile or so. On a very overcast day, whilst receiving 7 signals (there are apps that will display how many signals are being received), I had an accuracy of 7000 feet. Yes, the app kept placing me at locations in a few different towns in the area, and changed the location every 20 seconds or so. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 8 Nov 2013, at 11:28, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote: GPS can locate you with in a 30 foot circle with you at it's center. The United States government controls that. They keep it that way for good reasons which I won't go in to here. I'm just giving you an over view of how GPS works so that you'll better understand. As was already pointed out, inside a building the GPS signals are very week. The stores in a mall are very close together and even if you should by some chance get a good clear signal, it still won't do you any good. Here's why. GPS or ground positioning system can only use latitude and longitude signals. Where those two points meet is where your standing. That raw data isn't going to do you much good in the real world. A sailor at sea who knows how to shoot a star with a sexton and hasn't forgot totally how to use one could figure out where he and his ship is. Today, they have computers to do that for them and give a constant reading. Meanwhile back in the real world, a GPS system locates you using internal or external maps. The data can be right or wrong and those of us who have been using GPS for the blind for many years have come to know that there can be gotchas in the data base your using. For example, the map data may say your at point X when in reality, your nowhere anywhere near that place or point. As they use to say in computer programming, garbage in, garbage out. In other words, the GPS can only report to you what's in it's database. With week signals inside a mall and no database to refer to, your GPS is useless even if it did get a good clean signal. There are other ways it can be done but not with GPS alone. --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 11:00 PM Subject: RE: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall Hi Sarah, I don’t think there is a single GPS app which will do this. The GPS signal is very weak to begin with and while modern receivers are very good and often might pick up the signal inside a building, the accuracy will suffer especially given all the interference of concrete, steel etc. Another thing is that I doubt the stores in a mall are mapped. I think we’ll have to wait until malls map their buildings and put other technologies like RFID or Bluetooth beacons in place and then provide apps which can access this information before we get useful results inside malls or other large buildings. Give it 10 years and we probably look back and shake our heads in wonderment why this didn’t exist before. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Clark Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall I would like to use the Seeing Eye app to identify stores I am walking past in a mall, but I can't figure out how to get this info. I was using it inside a mall today, and it told me a couple
Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall
I would like to use the Seeing Eye app to identify stores I am walking past in a mall, but I can't figure out how to get this info. I was using it inside a mall today, and it told me a couple of things, like that Starbucks was nearby, but it was mostly telling me about streets and intersections near the mall. What settings do I need to make sure the app is set to in order to get it to identify the stores inside? Is it part of the location wand, or is it a particular setting, or some combination of things? Thanks, Sarah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall
Hi I cannot remember if Seeing eue use Foursquare data. If not you might get better results with Blindsquare. -- mr. M01510 guide Loadstone-GPS Lat: 62.38718, lon: 25.64672 hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net B784D020 0C1F 6A76 DC9D DD58 3383 8B5D 0E76 9600 B784 D02 Sarah Clark kirjoitti Subject: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 22:12:11 -0800 From: Sarah Clark sa...@sarahaclark.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com I would like to use the Seeing Eye app to identify stores I am walking past in a mall, but I can't figure out how to get this info. I was using it inside a mall today, and it told me a couple of things, like that Starbucks was nearby, but it was mostly telling me about streets and intersections near the mall. What settings do I need to make sure the app is set to in order to get it to identify the stores inside? Is it part of the location wand, or is it a particular setting, or some combination of things? Thanks, Sarah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall
Hi Sarah, I don't think there is a single GPS app which will do this. The GPS signal is very weak to begin with and while modern receivers are very good and often might pick up the signal inside a building, the accuracy will suffer especially given all the interference of concrete, steel etc. Another thing is that I doubt the stores in a mall are mapped. I think we'll have to wait until malls map their buildings and put other technologies like RFID or Bluetooth beacons in place and then provide apps which can access this information before we get useful results inside malls or other large buildings. Give it 10 years and we probably look back and shake our heads in wonderment why this didn't exist before. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Clark Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall I would like to use the Seeing Eye app to identify stores I am walking past in a mall, but I can't figure out how to get this info. I was using it inside a mall today, and it told me a couple of things, like that Starbucks was nearby, but it was mostly telling me about streets and intersections near the mall. What settings do I need to make sure the app is set to in order to get it to identify the stores inside? Is it part of the location wand, or is it a particular setting, or some combination of things? Thanks, Sarah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: question about returning Seeing Eye app
Hi Sieghard! Following your suggestion, I downloaded the Oahu Revealed app. Surprise surprise surprise! It contains a full map of the island and they say that it will work wonderfully with GPS! Do you think that I would still beat Navigon? Have you any experience with this application and Navigation with these maps? Looking forward to this evening when the new iPhones will be announced! Yes it would be evening where I am yeah exactly 12 1/2 hours ahead!! Have fun! :-) xx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: question about returning Seeing Eye app
Thanks sieghard! BTW did you get any response from the post in the podcast at T I I? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: question about returning Seeing Eye app
Hi Avnish, I don't know how useful the maps in the Oahu Revealed apps would be for a Voiceover user. As far as I know they don't include turn-by-turn voice announcements but you just had to explore the app to see if they are of any use for you with Voiceover. I know the Maui Revealed app had I think 4 unlabelled buttons right on the opening screen. It was easy however to figure out where they took you and to use the custom label gesture (Double Tap and Hold) to label the buttons. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of AppleGourmet Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: question about returning Seeing Eye app Hi Sieghard! Following your suggestion, I downloaded the Oahu Revealed app. Surprise surprise surprise! It contains a full map of the island and they say that it will work wonderfully with GPS! Do you think that I would still beat Navigon? Have you any experience with this application and Navigation with these maps? Looking forward to this evening when the new iPhones will be announced! Yes it would be evening where I am yeah exactly 12 1/2 hours ahead!! Have fun! :-) xx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
question about returning Seeing Eye app
Hello, all. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to get a refund for the Seeing Eye subscription. I've had it for about a month, and it simply doesn't meet my needs. Blindsquare performs much better in the area in which I live, and, frankly, $70 is quite a bit to have spent on something that doesn't work for me. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd appreciate the information. Shannon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: question about returning Seeing Eye app
Hi Shannon, I think this would be something you have to take up with Sendero to see if they are willing to give you a partial refund. Apple states that all sales are final when it comes to app purchases and the only way where they make an exception is if you buy an app which turns out not to be accessible. You can write to iTunes support and explain the circumstances and in such a case they might give you a refund. Of course you can't make the point that the Seeing Eye app is not accessible since it is specifically developed for Voiceover users so it's probably up to Sendero. Keep in mind that Sendero gets paid by Apple for the subscriptions which have sold, but Apple does keep 30%, so if you bought a one-year subscription for $70, Sendero gets $49 of that. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:33 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: question about returning Seeing Eye app Hello, all. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to get a refund for the Seeing Eye subscription. I've had it for about a month, and it simply doesn't meet my needs. Blindsquare performs much better in the area in which I live, and, frankly, $70 is quite a bit to have spent on something that doesn't work for me. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd appreciate the information. Shannon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: question about returning Seeing Eye app
Hi, I think a phone call and a good explanation would suffice. There should also be some relevant information in the terms of agreement and such. Hopefully you will post your results as there might be some who will want this information. Smile. Joseph - Original Message - From: Shannon Dyer solsticesin...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:32 AM Subject: question about returning Seeing Eye app Hello, all. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to get a refund for the Seeing Eye subscription. I've had it for about a month, and it simply doesn't meet my needs. Blindsquare performs much better in the area in which I live, and, frankly, $70 is quite a bit to have spent on something that doesn't work for me. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd appreciate the information. Shannon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: question about returning Seeing Eye app
Hi Shannon, I do sympathize but I don't think that you could get a refund simply because it doesn't meet your needs well or because you have another app that meets your needs better. I think the only situation in which you could get a refund would be if it did not work with Voice Over or if it just wouldn't run on your device for some reason. If you are able to use it OK then I would say that you are just stuck with it. Thanks, Scott Duck -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 9:33 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: question about returning Seeing Eye app Hello, all. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to get a refund for the Seeing Eye subscription. I've had it for about a month, and it simply doesn't meet my needs. Blindsquare performs much better in the area in which I live, and, frankly, $70 is quite a bit to have spent on something that doesn't work for me. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd appreciate the information. Shannon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: question about returning Seeing Eye app
Hi! I needed to buy that!! Is there anyway that you could transfer the license to me? I could pay you for it! Thank you (Voice Converted to Text via iPhone;Excuse typos) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: question about returning Seeing Eye app
Thank you for this explanation. I will definitely call Sendero, and see if I can work something out with them. Shannon On Sep 9, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Shannon, I think this would be something you have to take up with Sendero to see if they are willing to give you a partial refund. Apple states that all sales are final when it comes to app purchases and the only way where they make an exception is if you buy an app which turns out not to be accessible. You can write to iTunes support and explain the circumstances and in such a case they might give you a refund. Of course you can't make the point that the Seeing Eye app is not accessible since it is specifically developed for Voiceover users so it's probably up to Sendero. Keep in mind that Sendero gets paid by Apple for the subscriptions which have sold, but Apple does keep 30%, so if you bought a one-year subscription for $70, Sendero gets $49 of that. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:33 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: question about returning Seeing Eye app Hello, all. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to get a refund for the Seeing Eye subscription. I've had it for about a month, and it simply doesn't meet my needs. Blindsquare performs much better in the area in which I live, and, frankly, $70 is quite a bit to have spent on something that doesn't work for me. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd appreciate the information. Shannon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: question about returning Seeing Eye app
I have no idea if there's a way to transfer the license. Just from looking at the app, it doesn't seem so, but I can check around on Sendero's site and let you know. Shannon On Sep 9, 2013, at 4:23 PM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I needed to buy that!! Is there anyway that you could transfer the license to me? I could pay you for it! Thank you (Voice Converted to Text via iPhone;Excuse typos) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: question about returning Seeing Eye app
Hi Avnish and Shannon, You cannot transfer an app you bought to somebody else, the app is tied to your Apple Id. Sendero doesn't really have any influence here since apps are purchasedvia the App Store. Avnish, I would not recommend the Seeing Eye app for your trip to Hawaii. You are mostly concerned about having a GPS for the vehicle and Navigon will serve you much better. First of all it is less money and secondly you can download the maps and use the app without having a data connection if necessary. Lastly, keep in mind that any of the Hawaiian islands are quite small and it is not so difficult to find your way around even if your friend who is driving just looks at a printed map. These are just my thoughts. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: question about returning Seeing Eye app I have no idea if there's a way to transfer the license. Just from looking at the app, it doesn't seem so, but I can check around on Sendero's site and let you know. Shannon On Sep 9, 2013, at 4:23 PM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I needed to buy that!! Is there anyway that you could transfer the license to me? I could pay you for it! Thank you (Voice Converted to Text via iPhone;Excuse typos) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
How do I purchase a subscription to the seeing eye app?
My credit card had expired, so I updated it. Now when I try to purchase a subscription to the Seeing Eye GPS app on my iPhone, I get a message that the zip code i entered doesn't match the one on its records. I get a charge pending, but no subscription. If I presss the continue button to update again, I get another pending subscription. Eventually they all go away--after two or three days--but I still can't purchase a subscription. where do I go from here? thanks, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: How do I purchase a subscription to the seeing eye app?
Hi I would start at a quick review of my Apple account data. It is probably likely that there is a mistake in how the information was entered--expiration date, CRV number, etc. I of course do not know for sure since I've not experienced it, but it might be advisable not to continue trying to purchase the item as multiple attempts might be caught as attempted fraud which means a freeze on your purchase ability and those headache calls to customer support. :) Joseph Original Message - From: Ann Byrne ann...@sbcglobal.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:21 AM Subject: How do I purchase a subscription to the seeing eye app? My credit card had expired, so I updated it. Now when I try to purchase a subscription to the Seeing Eye GPS app on my iPhone, I get a message that the zip code i entered doesn't match the one on its records. I get a charge pending, but no subscription. If I presss the continue button to update again, I get another pending subscription. Eventually they all go away--after two or three days--but I still can't purchase a subscription. where do I go from here? thanks, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Updated Seeing Eye app?
There was an issue, and apparently it was temporarily pulled. Andy From: Tom Frank Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 5:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Updated Seeing Eye app? Tom Frank vermont...@gmail.com I could swear that I saw and upgrade to Seeing Eye Version 1.1 in the app store. I tried to update and I'm still at version 1.0. Am I blind or something? Did I see an upgrade? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Updated Seeing Eye app?
Tom Frank vermont...@gmail.com I could swear that I saw and upgrade to Seeing Eye Version 1.1 in the app store. I tried to update and I'm still at version 1.0. Am I blind or something? Did I see an upgrade? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Updated Seeing Eye app?
Apparently, there was a problem between Sendero submitting the app and Apple posting it, so the 1.1 turned out to be 1.0. Sendero has submitted it again as 1.1.1 and asked Apple to expedite the app so it will hit the app store quickly, they hope. HTH, Richard _ From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Frank Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 5:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Updated Seeing Eye app? Tom Frank vermont...@gmail.com I could swear that I saw and upgrade to Seeing Eye Version 1.1 in the app store. I tried to update and I'm still at version 1.0. Am I blind or something? Did I see an upgrade? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
iPhone 4 help for overriding spelling and app swotcher question, related to using seeing Eye app
Hi All, These questions likely apply to general phone use but I am asking in context of the new Seeing Eye app use. I am trying to enter an address in the text field and it will not accept what I type and keeps changing my word to Breaker when the street name is Brealey. How do I make the auto correct not take over? Also as Seeing Eye uses data, I am concerned about it running and using data when I may think it is off but may still be on. I have gone into app switcher doing double tap of the home button, doing the tap and hold until I hear editing apps when I can then do the split tap but voice over is not saying anything to tell me there is nothing left in the app switcher. I am sure it used to confirm the app switcher was empty. Advice greatly appreciated. Peace and Positivity Sharon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: iPhone 4 help for overriding spelling and app swotcher question, related to using seeing Eye app
Hi Sharon, I usually have the auto correct feature turned off because I don't like how it works, but I just turned it on and used your example just in a notes app. First time round it also put Breaker in, but then I tried again and as soon as it suggested Break I deleted a character, the k, then continued with ley and I got Brealey although Voiceover of course said it was misspelled. Give it a try, I always thought the auto correct feature was supposed to only put in the suggested word if what you hear is what you want and you then press the spacebar. In this case this does not seem to be the case because I very carefully typed Brealey and then pressed the spacebar and it put in breaker. Only way around it was to let it suggest Breaker, then to delete the ker and put ley in its place. As for the Seeing Eye app running in the background and using data that definitely is not going to be happening right now since the app does not even work unless it has focus, e.g. if you exit the app by pressing the home key or even just lock the screen, the app stops working. The latter was something Mike pointed out as a major drawback and I agree. These GPS apps use enough battery as is and even if you turn the brightness down to 0, having the screen on all the time uses even more. If I double tap and hold on an app in the app switcher until I hear Editing Apps and then proceed to remove all apps by double tapping them, Voiceover on my 4S will say App Switcher has no items after the last app is gone. If I want to completely clear my app switcher, I usually touch the very first app on the left, hold my finger on it and then split tap with another finger. If you don't move the first finger, as the first app closes, the next app slides over so to speak under that finger and you can just continue to split tap as each app moves to the left into that position under your finger. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Ballantyne Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:59 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iPhone 4 help for overriding spelling and app swotcher question, related to using seeing Eye app Hi All, These questions likely apply to general phone use but I am asking in context of the new Seeing Eye app use. I am trying to enter an address in the text field and it will not accept what I type and keeps changing my word to Breaker when the street name is Brealey. How do I make the auto correct not take over? Also as Seeing Eye uses data, I am concerned about it running and using data when I may think it is off but may still be on. I have gone into app switcher doing double tap of the home button, doing the tap and hold until I hear editing apps when I can then do the split tap but voice over is not saying anything to tell me there is nothing left in the app switcher. I am sure it used to confirm the app switcher was empty. Advice greatly appreciated. Peace and Positivity Sharon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: iPhone 4 help for overriding spelling and app swotcher question, related to using seeing Eye app
Hi there, Thank-you for your kindness in checking this spelling issue. How do I disable the auto spelling correction feature? Also do you know if I can check somewhere if I have somehow regarding the reality that my app switcher is no longer speaking that I have no items left in the app switcher? I must have done something but I have no idea what. I really appreciate the clarification about the Seeing Eye app. Peace and Positivity Sharon On 2013-08-01, at 11:31 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Sharon, I usually have the auto correct feature turned off because I don't like how it works, but I just turned it on and used your example just in a notes app. First time round it also put Breaker in, but then I tried again and as soon as it suggested Break I deleted a character, the k, then continued with ley and I got Brealey although Voiceover of course said it was misspelled. Give it a try, I always thought the auto correct feature was supposed to only put in the suggested word if what you hear is what you want and you then press the spacebar. In this case this does not seem to be the case because I very carefully typed Brealey and then pressed the spacebar and it put in breaker. Only way around it was to let it suggest Breaker, then to delete the ker and put ley in its place. As for the Seeing Eye app running in the background and using data that definitely is not going to be happening right now since the app does not even work unless it has focus, e.g. if you exit the app by pressing the home key or even just lock the screen, the app stops working. The latter was something Mike pointed out as a major drawback and I agree. These GPS apps use enough battery as is and even if you turn the brightness down to 0, having the screen on all the time uses even more. If I double tap and hold on an app in the app switcher until I hear Editing Apps and then proceed to remove all apps by double tapping them, Voiceover on my 4S will say App Switcher has no items after the last app is gone. If I want to completely clear my app switcher, I usually touch the very first app on the left, hold my finger on it and then split tap with another finger. If you don't move the first finger, as the first app closes, the next app slides over so to speak under that finger and you can just continue to split tap as each app moves to the left into that position under your finger. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Ballantyne Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:59 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iPhone 4 help for overriding spelling and app swotcher question, related to using seeing Eye app Hi All, These questions likely apply to general phone use but I am asking in context of the new Seeing Eye app use. I am trying to enter an address in the text field and it will not accept what I type and keeps changing my word to Breaker when the street name is Brealey. How do I make the auto correct not take over? Also as Seeing Eye uses data, I am concerned about it running and using data when I may think it is off but may still be on. I have gone into app switcher doing double tap of the home button, doing the tap and hold until I hear editing apps when I can then do the split tap but voice over is not saying anything to tell me there is nothing left in the app switcher. I am sure it used to confirm the app switcher was empty. Advice greatly appreciated. Peace and Positivity Sharon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You
RE: iPhone 4 help for overriding spelling and app swotcher question, related to using seeing Eye app
Hi Sharon, To disable auto correction, go here: Settings, General, Keyboard. Second item is Auto Correction. Double tap on it to turn it off. Next to it is Check Spelling. I usually leave this on, this way Voiceover will say if a word is misspelled, but it won't auto correct it. As for your app switcher, I don't think there is anything you can do to not make Voiceover say App Switcher has no items. If I remove all apps and swipe left and right it just goes back and forth between saying Dismiss App Switcher and App Switcher Has no items. Can you explain what it says for you? Do you get the Dismiss app switcher message? If so, what do you get if you do a single finger swipe right from that? If you want write to me directly since this might go into more details than what most people want to read about. My email is siegh...@live.ca. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Ballantyne Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 8:39 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone 4 help for overriding spelling and app swotcher question, related to using seeing Eye app Hi there, Thank-you for your kindness in checking this spelling issue. How do I disable the auto spelling correction feature? Also do you know if I can check somewhere if I have somehow regarding the reality that my app switcher is no longer speaking that I have no items left in the app switcher? I must have done something but I have no idea what. I really appreciate the clarification about the Seeing Eye app. Peace and Positivity Sharon On 2013-08-01, at 11:31 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Sharon, I usually have the auto correct feature turned off because I don't like how it works, but I just turned it on and used your example just in a notes app. First time round it also put Breaker in, but then I tried again and as soon as it suggested Break I deleted a character, the k, then continued with ley and I got Brealey although Voiceover of course said it was misspelled. Give it a try, I always thought the auto correct feature was supposed to only put in the suggested word if what you hear is what you want and you then press the spacebar. In this case this does not seem to be the case because I very carefully typed Brealey and then pressed the spacebar and it put in breaker. Only way around it was to let it suggest Breaker, then to delete the ker and put ley in its place. As for the Seeing Eye app running in the background and using data that definitely is not going to be happening right now since the app does not even work unless it has focus, e.g. if you exit the app by pressing the home key or even just lock the screen, the app stops working. The latter was something Mike pointed out as a major drawback and I agree. These GPS apps use enough battery as is and even if you turn the brightness down to 0, having the screen on all the time uses even more. If I double tap and hold on an app in the app switcher until I hear Editing Apps and then proceed to remove all apps by double tapping them, Voiceover on my 4S will say App Switcher has no items after the last app is gone. If I want to completely clear my app switcher, I usually touch the very first app on the left, hold my finger on it and then split tap with another finger. If you don't move the first finger, as the first app closes, the next app slides over so to speak under that finger and you can just continue to split tap as each app moves to the left into that position under your finger. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Ballantyne Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:59 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iPhone 4 help for overriding spelling and app swotcher question, related to using seeing Eye app Hi All, These questions likely apply to general phone use but I am asking in context of the new Seeing Eye app use. I am trying to enter an address in the text field and it will not accept what I type and keeps changing my word to Breaker when the street name is Brealey. How do I make the auto correct not take over? Also as Seeing Eye uses data, I am concerned about it running and using data when I may think it is off but may still be on. I have gone into app switcher doing double tap of the home button, doing the tap and hold until I hear editing apps when I can then do the split tap but voice over is not saying anything to tell me there is nothing left in the app switcher. I am sure it used to confirm the app switcher was empty. Advice greatly appreciated. Peace and Positivity Sharon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone
Seeing eye app is running again.
Hi all, I just tried the app and it seems to be working fine. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Seeing eye app feature request
Hi Shaf, I trust you saw Alex Hall's info re how to sign up for the gps-talk list on freelists. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Seeing eye app feature request
Hello, I didn't see the info for the Seeing Eye GPS list. Would you please repost it here? TIA. Did you ever realize that the more you know, the more you realize you don't know? My wood shop teacher from many years ago, gave me this little bit of knowledge. However, he never did tell me where he got it from. Sent from my Sprint iPhone 4S. On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Shaf, I trust you saw Alex Hall's info re how to sign up for the gps-talk list on freelists. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Reregistering Seeing Eye App
My subscription button does nothing, absolutely nothing, I just keep seeing the same screen of settings and I would like to be sure I registered, I was using a Bluetooth keyboard and hit enter and the screen went away so I am not sure. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Candie Stiles Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 7:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Reregistering Seeing Eye App To register the app go to settings and then subscription. On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:24 PM, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. When I purchased this app I did not register it as I was kind of tired and I thought I had read that I could register later. Now I can't find where to go back to register. Does anyone know? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Seeing eye app feature request
Where can we find this list, Mary? -Shaf On 7/3/13, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Robert, You may want to subscribe to the gps-talk list, where the Sendero folks monitor the traffic and make your feature suggestion there. I don't think they are on this list, so suggesting stuff here won't get to them first hand, I don't believe. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Seeing eye app feature request
Here is the link to their mailing list: http://senderogroup.com/social_media/email.htm Richard (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen) On Jul 4, 2013, at 4:36 AM, shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote: Where can we find this list, Mary? -Shaf On 7/3/13, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Robert, You may want to subscribe to the gps-talk list, where the Sendero folks monitor the traffic and make your feature suggestion there. I don't think they are on this list, so suggesting stuff here won't get to them first hand, I don't believe. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Reregistering Seeing Eye App
Hi. When I purchased this app I did not register it as I was kind of tired and I thought I had read that I could register later. Now I can't find where to go back to register. Does anyone know? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Reregistering Seeing Eye App
To register the app go to settings and then subscription. On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:24 PM, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. When I purchased this app I did not register it as I was kind of tired and I thought I had read that I could register later. Now I can’t find where to go back to register. Does anyone know? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
Never count out the people who want something for free that costs others money. At 09:46 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. Also, as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by. On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop down menu with various options including one that is poorly labeled. My wife told me it said multi modal, which voice over didn't understand, so I relabeled this button multi mode. Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few things I'd like to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk a virtual route, as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker.. After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. It sounds like a lot, but considering my old Trekker was fifteen hundred dollars seven years ago, it doesn't seem too expensive. If you figure it out, it comes to about twenty one cents a day for the one year subscription. And only about thirteen cents a day with the three year subscription, it seems reasonable to me. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
She expects everything for nothing. At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote: Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. Also, as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by. On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop down menu with various options including one that is poorly labeled. My wife told me it said multi modal, which voice over didn't understand, so I relabeled this button multi mode. Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few things I'd like to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk a virtual route, as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker.. After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. It sounds like a lot, but considering my old Trekker was fifteen
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
I advise against using logic with irrational people. Kevin At 12:00 AM 7/3/2013, you wrote: So, after you pay the tax on your Trekker breeze, you will pay the equivalent of 12 years of subscription if you used the three year subscription plan. Personally, I hope technology will advance exponentially in that amount of time, making both devices obsolete. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
, the more people bitch complain about its price the more likely the app is to go away. Which then wouldn't be right for those of us who have already paid the price for the app. If you don't like the price of the app, don't buy it. It to me is like a ford verses a BMW. Windows verses a Mac. Beer verses Champagne. Don't complain about the cost of the BMW, the Mac or Champagne if you don't want one, can't afford one, don't buy one. But, don't begrudge those who do want to buy one. Me personally, I'm pretty good at drinkin' beer. But, for those of you who want Champagne, I don't begrudge you. I would agree that it would be a great idea for them to have a trial period so that people can see what the app is like what it would do for them. Rather than having to buy the whole thing up front. I'd also agree that perhaps a monthly cost would be a good idea for those who can't or don't want to afford the whole cost up front. , yes as a matter of full disclosure, I have already purchased the app. Just one mans opinion, , yes, sometimes I do get paid for it. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 22:04 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word”. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
Really? Are you serious? Stealing money out of blind peoples pockets? Greed? Do you feel that the grocery store is stealing money out of your pocket? Your cell carrier? Any other business that you do business with? Where do blind people get off thinking that they should be given everything for free? This is the sort of atitude that gives blind persons a bad name makes all of us look bad. I'll probably be chastized by the list owners or mods for my comments. However, that is the price I'm willing to pay to make my point. No one owes you anything whether you're blind, sighted, left-handed, right-handed, etc. If you want it, you buy it, if you don't then don't. But, don't begrudge those of us who have nor the company for trying to make money. - Original Message - From: Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 21:46 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word”. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. Also, as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by. On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop down menu with various options including one that is poorly labeled. My wife told me it said multi modal, which voice over didn't understand, so I relabeled this button multi mode. Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few things I'd like to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk a virtual route, as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker.. After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. It sounds like a lot, but considering my old
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
I know this list is for discussion of apps, but is it also for arguing about apps? Whether one decides it is to expensive, or works well or not is immaterial, the important thing is that it is out there and available, isn't it? Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:25 AM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I advise against using logic with irrational people. Kevin At 12:00 AM 7/3/2013, you wrote: So, after you pay the tax on your Trekker breeze, you will pay the equivalent of 12 years of subscription if you used the three year subscription plan. Personally, I hope technology will advance exponentially in that amount of time, making both devices obsolete. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom
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I thik a critique of the app is good, because just because something is available deosn't mean it will work for us all. Take glucometers for the blind diabetics out there. Medicare will provide a talking glucometer free of charge. But if you miss your reading the first time it is announced, then you are SOL. YOu have to retest or have a sighted person read the memory function. Also, most the the free ones from Medicare are not blind friendly when it comes to setting them up. Same can be said for aps for smart phones and I devices. Just saying Keith - Original Message - From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:53 AM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I know this list is for discussion of apps, but is it also for arguing about apps? Whether one decides it is to expensive, or works well or not is immaterial, the important thing is that it is out there and available, isn't it? Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:25 AM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I advise against using logic with irrational people. Kevin At 12:00 AM 7/3/2013, you wrote: So, after you pay the tax on your Trekker breeze, you will pay the equivalent of 12 years of subscription if you used the three year subscription plan. Personally, I hope technology will advance exponentially in that amount of time, making both devices obsolete. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote
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Funny. I figured she just didn't want to be ripped off. As has been said on here and elsewhere. Navigon is a one-time payment, and is pretty much exactly as accessible as the Seeing Eye app. They also don't charge you for updates. The Trecker, while more expensive, also doesn't charge you for map updates. And if we're being honest, the Seeing Eye app doesn't need to pay for its access to, let's say, foursquare information, which is where it pulls its points of interest from. So again, what are you paying for for $70/year? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Barry Sent: July 3, 2013 6:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! She expects everything for nothing. At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote: Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear
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Uh. The last update we pulled in for the Breeze in this house? That would be yesterday. And yes, it was free. Now, granted to buy any other map, there's an extra cost. So say you're going to England for a vacation and decide to drag your GPS along. Except you won't be dragging the Seeing Eye app along, as it doesn't even work over there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: July 3, 2013 12:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Hi Mich, There is nothing misleading since if you didn't know about the subscription this simply means you didn't read the full app description and information. Right after where it says the app is free, the release date and customer ratings it says the following: Top In-App Purchases 1. Three Year Subscription$129.99 2. One Year Subscription$69.99 OK, so I was remembering the old price for the Breeze, but even at $500 I cam buy 4 3-year subscription renewals (4 times $130 = $520) which means 12 years of up-to-date coverage. When did you last get a map update for your Trekker? Was it free? OK, I know this is actively defending the Seeing Eye app which I am sure has its shortcomings. But I really dislike it if people bash a product which took an enormous amount of dedication and resources to develop simply because it's not given to them for virtually nothing. How about all that HUmanware greed, I mean how dare they charge the original adopters of the Breeze $800 or $900 and now they are :giving it away for little more than half that. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mich Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero
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With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip
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I believe Navigon retails for about $59 most of the time. I agree though that you can get it on sale occasionally. I didn't hear any discussions about having free Demeau's and such when that application was released. How is this different? Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-03, at 4:16 AM, Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com wrote: Never count out the people who want something for free that costs others money. At 09:46 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. Also, as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by. On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop down menu with various options including one that is poorly labeled. My wife told me it said multi modal, which voice over didn't understand, so I relabeled this button multi mode. Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few things I'd like to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk a virtual route, as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker.. After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. It sounds like a lot, but considering my old Trekker was fifteen hundred dollars seven years ago, it doesn't seem too expensive. If you figure it out, it comes to about twenty one cents a day for the one year subscription. And only about thirteen cents a day with the three year subscription, it seems reasonable to me. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed
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Again, if you want to buy it, buy it, if you don't, don't. But, don't bitch complain about its price. Pay it or don't. I don't go to the store complain to them about the prices which they charge. I either buy something while I'm there or I don't. , I don't run around complaining about folks stealing money from blind folks pockets. Or, that someone is being greedy. Again, if I want it I pay. , yes, this is coming from someone who considers himself a cheapskate. It's one thing to talk about what an app will or won't do. How it works or how it doesn't. Whether it is accessible or not. Complaining about its price is quite another. - Original Message - From: James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 08:50 Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Uh. The last update we pulled in for the Breeze in this house? That would be yesterday. And yes, it was free. Now, granted to buy any other map, there's an extra cost. So say you're going to England for a vacation and decide to drag your GPS along. Except you won't be dragging the Seeing Eye app along, as it doesn't even work over there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: July 3, 2013 12:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Hi Mich, There is nothing misleading since if you didn't know about the subscription this simply means you didn't read the full app description and information. Right after where it says the app is free, the release date and customer ratings it says the following: Top In-App Purchases 1. Three Year Subscription$129.99 2. One Year Subscription$69.99 OK, so I was remembering the old price for the Breeze, but even at $500 I cam buy 4 3-year subscription renewals (4 times $130 = $520) which means 12 years of up-to-date coverage. When did you last get a map update for your Trekker? Was it free? OK, I know this is actively defending the Seeing Eye app which I am sure has its shortcomings. But I really dislike it if people bash a product which took an enormous amount of dedication and resources to develop simply because it's not given to them for virtually nothing. How about all that HUmanware greed, I mean how dare they charge the original adopters of the Breeze $800 or $900 and now they are :giving it away for little more than half that. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mich Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
Having purchased the app already, I can confirm that this application pulls its points of interest from three sources and not just foursquare. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-03, at 6:41 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote: Funny. I figured she just didn't want to be ripped off. As has been said on here and elsewhere. Navigon is a one-time payment, and is pretty much exactly as accessible as the Seeing Eye app. They also don't charge you for updates. The Trecker, while more expensive, also doesn't charge you for map updates. And if we're being honest, the Seeing Eye app doesn't need to pay for its access to, let's say, foursquare information, which is where it pulls its points of interest from. So again, what are you paying for for $70/year? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Barry Sent: July 3, 2013 6:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! She expects everything for nothing. At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote: Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change
RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59
RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
And all 3 of those sources are free. Look it up. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Having purchased the app already, I can confirm that this application pulls its points of interest from three sources and not just foursquare. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-03, at 6:41 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote: Funny. I figured she just didn't want to be ripped off. As has been said on here and elsewhere. Navigon is a one-time payment, and is pretty much exactly as accessible as the Seeing Eye app. They also don't charge you for updates. The Trecker, while more expensive, also doesn't charge you for map updates. And if we're being honest, the Seeing Eye app doesn't need to pay for its access to, let's say, foursquare information, which is where it pulls its points of interest from. So again, what are you paying for for $70/year? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Barry Sent: July 3, 2013 6:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! She expects everything for nothing. At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote: Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk
Seeing eye app feature request
Hello everybody: When using this app last night, I noticed that there is one feature that NAVIGON does have that I wish this new application would integrate. NAVIGON allows a user who is using the around me application to obtain routing information to get from where they are to And address of a point of interest that they found on the around me application. It would be very helpful if the authors of this application would integrate the data with around me so that the two applications can work more harmoniously together. Thanks very much. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
All I will say is this: if it hasn't been done already, please post a review of the app if you have used it. The rest of this discussion has quickly gone to being meaningless. Didn't we have the same discussion for Fleksi, M-braille, and any other app that costs more than .99? Paul -Original Message- From: Kevin Barry Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I advise against using logic with irrational people. Kevin At 12:00 AM 7/3/2013, you wrote: So, after you pay the tax on your Trekker breeze, you will pay the equivalent of 12 years of subscription if you used the three year subscription plan. Personally, I hope technology will advance exponentially in that amount of time, making both devices obsolete. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
I haven't had to pay any extra fee for my updated maps with Navigon and I've had it for years. But again I'm not saying that either app is perfect either, just that right now the Seeing Eye app isn't worth the money I put out for it since my other apps give me the same info. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 8:53 AM, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote: With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright
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For me, the additional information describing intersections is incredibly important, not because I need technology not to get lost, but for safety. As part of my job, I frequently travel to unfamiliar cities and it is helpful to know how intersections look before crossing them quite often for the first time. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-03, at 6:57 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote: Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze
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This needs to stop. They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it greed. All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash. As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years, costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them. Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list. Peter Logan -Original Message- From: James Homuth Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade
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Rarely do we pay a full price for an iPhone either, good sir. And once again, it's a one-time cost. If you must compare apples, please compare them to apples. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Logan Sent: July 3, 2013 9:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! This needs to stop. They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it greed. All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash. As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years, costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them. Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list. Peter Logan -Original Message- From: James Homuth Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought
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Ok, now people are just picking to be picking. I'll drop out of the conversation after this. I'm not a huge fan of the Seeing Eye, but was glad to try out their app. do I believe there should be a yearly cost, nope, but again that's because for now I have apps that give me the same info that works for me so the yearly cost isn't worth it. GPS is secondary to me if I'm using it just to make sure that I'm not ending up in BFE when I'm trying to get to some street over there. Maybe in time if the app has made updates it will be worth it for me. If this app benefits those that like certain features of, hey, that's awesome and that's what matters. There's several things about the app that will need to be worked out, but that's the same with the trekker when it first came out, navigon and all the rest. In time maybe for me it will be worth the cost. Now I'm going to shut up and go play in traffic. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 9:13 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote: Rarely do we pay a full price for an iPhone either, good sir. And once again, it's a one-time cost. If you must compare apples, please compare them to apples. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Logan Sent: July 3, 2013 9:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! This needs to stop. They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it greed. All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash. As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years, costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them. Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list. Peter Logan -Original Message- From: James Homuth Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
Navigon lists several in app purchases. Item 3 in that list indicates that for fresh XL maps for North America, the cost is $19.99. This presumably provides maps that have additional detail as compared to the regular maps that come with the product. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-03, at 7:03 AM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: I haven't had to pay any extra fee for my updated maps with Navigon and I've had it for years. But again I'm not saying that either app is perfect either, just that right now the Seeing Eye app isn't worth the money I put out for it since my other apps give me the same info. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 8:53 AM, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote: With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay
RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
So those maps are more detailed. Sure. They're also not required. And the maps you get *with* the program are still updated. An optional $19 is nowhere near the same as a mandatory $70. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 9:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Navigon lists several in app purchases. Item 3 in that list indicates that for fresh XL maps for North America, the cost is $19.99. This presumably provides maps that have additional detail as compared to the regular maps that come with the product. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-03, at 7:03 AM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: I haven't had to pay any extra fee for my updated maps with Navigon and I've had it for years. But again I'm not saying that either app is perfect either, just that right now the Seeing Eye app isn't worth the money I put out for it since my other apps give me the same info. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 8:53 AM, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote: With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm
RE: Seeing eye app feature request
Hi Robert, The ability to send a destination from Around Me to Navigon is actually a feature of Around me and not Navigon. Here is what the developer of Around me writes as part of the app store description: - Now support Navigon, TomTom, Motion X Drive and Waze navigation software. You would have to contact Around Me and make them aware of Sendero to see if they are willing to add support for the Seeing Eye app. I guess it won't hurt to also let Sendero know since of course they could approach the Around Me developer to make the request. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:02 AM To: Viphone Subject: Seeing eye app feature request Hello everybody: When using this app last night, I noticed that there is one feature that NAVIGON does have that I wish this new application would integrate. NAVIGON allows a user who is using the around me application to obtain routing information to get from where they are to And address of a point of interest that they found on the around me application. It would be very helpful if the authors of this application would integrate the data with around me so that the two applications can work more harmoniously together. Thanks very much. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Seeing eye app feature request
Good point, thank you. I thought of that shortly after I posted my message. I will contact both developers and see what happens. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-03, at 7:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Robert, The ability to send a destination from Around Me to Navigon is actually a feature of Around me and not Navigon. Here is what the developer of Around me writes as part of the app store description: - Now support Navigon, TomTom, Motion X Drive and Waze navigation software. You would have to contact Around Me and make them aware of Sendero to see if they are willing to add support for the Seeing Eye app. I guess it won't hurt to also let Sendero know since of course they could approach the Around Me developer to make the request. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:02 AM To: Viphone Subject: Seeing eye app feature request Hello everybody: When using this app last night, I noticed that there is one feature that NAVIGON does have that I wish this new application would integrate. NAVIGON allows a user who is using the around me application to obtain routing information to get from where they are to And address of a point of interest that they found on the around me application. It would be very helpful if the authors of this application would integrate the data with around me so that the two applications can work more harmoniously together. Thanks very much. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
The reason why you don't pay full price for an iPhone is because your provider subsidises the purchase by making you sign a 2-year contract where you commit to paying a high monthly price for your phone service so in essence it is not a one-time cost because if you decide to cancel your contract after 6 months you will have to buy out the phone. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Homuth Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:13 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Rarely do we pay a full price for an iPhone either, good sir. And once again, it's a one-time cost. If you must compare apples, please compare them to apples. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Logan Sent: July 3, 2013 9:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! This needs to stop. They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it greed. All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash. As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years, costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them. Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list. Peter Logan -Original Message- From: James Homuth Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
Hi May, Just out of curiosity and i assure you i do not want to start or contribute to any kind of flame war here, but what apps are you having besides the Seeing eye gps one and how do they compare if at all? Just so i know in the event the Seeing eye app will come to Sweden and so i know if i should get it or not, i mean if there are apps out there that does the job just as good as the Seeing eye gps, then i see little point in purchasing it. /Krister 3 jul 2013 kl. 15:23 skrev May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com: Ok, now people are just picking to be picking. I'll drop out of the conversation after this. I'm not a huge fan of the Seeing Eye, but was glad to try out their app. do I believe there should be a yearly cost, nope, but again that's because for now I have apps that give me the same info that works for me so the yearly cost isn't worth it. GPS is secondary to me if I'm using it just to make sure that I'm not ending up in BFE when I'm trying to get to some street over there. Maybe in time if the app has made updates it will be worth it for me. If this app benefits those that like certain features of, hey, that's awesome and that's what matters. There's several things about the app that will need to be worked out, but that's the same with the trekker when it first came out, navigon and all the rest. In time maybe for me it will be worth the cost. Now I'm going to shut up and go play in traffic. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 9:13 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote: Rarely do we pay a full price for an iPhone either, good sir. And once again, it's a one-time cost. If you must compare apples, please compare them to apples. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Logan Sent: July 3, 2013 9:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! This needs to stop. They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it greed. All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash. As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years, costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them. Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list. Peter Logan -Original Message- From: James Homuth Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps
RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
Hi Bob, Fresh Maps give you quarterly map updates as opposed to yearly map updates. Since the Seeing Eye app uses maps on the server where it always accesses the latest maps this of course doesn't apply, but yes, in the end you also pay something with apps like Navigon if frequent map updates are something you want. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Navigon lists several in app purchases. Item 3 in that list indicates that for fresh XL maps for North America, the cost is $19.99. This presumably provides maps that have additional detail as compared to the regular maps that come with the product. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-03, at 7:03 AM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: I haven't had to pay any extra fee for my updated maps with Navigon and I've had it for years. But again I'm not saying that either app is perfect either, just that right now the Seeing Eye app isn't worth the money I put out for it since my other apps give me the same info. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 8:53 AM, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote: With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get
RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
Hi Krister, There are apps available which in combination do most of what the Seeing Eye app does, but if those were all as good and complete than why were so many of us looking forward to the Seeing Eye app? People have very different needs and expectations when it comes to navigation apps and devices. May already owns a Trekker Breeze and for anybody who does have one of those I can totally understand why the Seeing Eye app is not as attractive. Of course you have to carry 2 devices, but the advantage also is that you aren't using up your iPhone's battery. Oh, and none of the existing apps, not a single one, tells you automatically about intersections, e.g. if it is a 4-way, 3-way etc. I always found this a very useful feature when I had my Windows Smartphone with MobileSpeak and MobileGeo. It is interesting how often I heard somebody saying If only there was an app for the iPhone as good as MobileGeo. MobileGeo which required MobileSpeak to function, was $800 or $900 and MobileSpeak added another $300. I think we all forget what we used to pay for these devices, only a year ago a Trekker Breeze was still $900 and only now it's on sale for $500 (Humanware lists it regularly at $700) here in Canada and I think to a large extend that price drop is because of devices like the iPhone and apps like Seeing Eye which are a much more cost effective solution in the long run even if they are not for everybody. OK, this is it for me in this discussion as well. I will most definitely buy the Seeing Eye app because I am confident that it will work well and be improved down the road. Oh, incidently, if Sendero had chosen to sell it outright for $200 with no subscription cost there would have been just as much outrage about it. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
Hi, actually this isn't a Sendero thing, but an Apple thing. Over the last year, many apps have switched to this model where you get the app, which might be an ad version, or a disabled version. Then you do in-app purchased to unlock things. Dice World is an example. You just get one app, then if you want to add things to it, like get rid of ads, you either play and win many games, or you do an in-app purchase and get rid of them. Sendero's Seeing App is the same thing in that you get the free app, then depending on which subscription you want, you do an in-app purchase. Not misleading at all. So, let's stop harping about how evil Sendero supposedly is. -- Raul A. Gallegos Soft kitty, Warm kitty, Little ball of fur. Happy kitty, Sleepy kitty, Purr, purr, purr. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 7/2/2013 10:40 PM, Mich wrote: I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you
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I think it kind of sucks that people who don't buy a subscription can rate the app. Very misleading, since you haven't used the appp. Hopefully, people who read your review will take it with a cup of salt and realize you just want something for nothing. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Maybe the real problem is that people who raise these objections had their specialized devices bought for them by rehab, and now times have changed, and they have to actually pay for something themselves. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Original Message -- Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! hi all i think we all must realise that we are all diferent and have diferent needs and i think it is sometimes hard to price apps out. for me as a piano tuner i have always used sendero because there the best and to me what ever they charge i can understand why. it takes a lot of hard work to design an app for blind people especially the gps apps. when and if the gps app comes to the uk i will certainly purchase it for a blind person getting lost is horrid and to know where you are is everything to me. i aplaud mike may and his team for what they have done for us with regards to gps. when in business you have to make money to live and i think the seing eye is well well worth the money and at least we have the choice the more of us that buy the lless the app will be in the future. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Do you a data connection for myway classic? Problem with a lot of apps is that need for a connection. When camping, most places we go to have no connectivity. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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at their rates depending on how old you are, a life time sub could run you $2000. Andy -Original Message- From: Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word”. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. Also, as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by. On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop down menu with various options including one that is poorly labeled. My wife told me it said multi modal, which voice over didn't understand, so I relabeled this button multi mode. Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few things I'd like to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk a virtual route, as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker.. After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. It sounds like a lot, but considering my old Trekker was fifteen hundred dollars seven years ago, it doesn't seem too expensive. If you figure it out, it comes to about twenty one cents a day for the one year subscription. And only about thirteen cents a day with the three year subscription, it seems reasonable to me. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
fred, i know we don't get along, but i have to say, i agree with you on this point. hey, does it really matter how much it is? no, it is there for the using, no one is forcing people to download, install, and purchase the app. - Original Message - From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:53 AM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I know this list is for discussion of apps, but is it also for arguing about apps? Whether one decides it is to expensive, or works well or not is immaterial, the important thing is that it is out there and available, isn't it? Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:25 AM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I advise against using logic with irrational people. Kevin At 12:00 AM 7/3/2013, you wrote: So, after you pay the tax on your Trekker breeze, you will pay the equivalent of 12 years of subscription if you used the three year subscription plan. Personally, I hope technology will advance exponentially in that amount of time, making both devices obsolete. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive
Re: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.
Dan, no, you can't buy a lifetime subscription to the app. 3 years is the longest, which is actually pretty long, it seems to me, given what happens in the technology arena. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.
No, it doesn't have the record a route feature. How many years did it take the Braille Note apps to get that feature? And how much did you pay for those apps if you have them? Rome was not built in a day. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
There are plenty of apps that let you download them, but to use them, you have to buy content or data. All news stand apps, for example. Wake up, people. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hello Sean, coming from a moderator I can say that your message wasn't attacking any one individually, but rather expressing a different view point. So, you are good there. For whoever else is reading this, keep this in mind when expressing your opinions on whether people are being robbed, blind people should get it all for free, or just don't like the price point of things. Thanks. -- Raul A. Gallegos Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 7/3/2013 5:52 AM, Sean Paul wrote: Really? Are you serious? Stealing money out of blind peoples pockets? Greed? Do you feel that the grocery store is stealing money out of your pocket? Your cell carrier? Any other business that you do business with? Where do blind people get off thinking that they should be given everything for free? This is the sort of atitude that gives blind persons a bad name makes all of us look bad. I'll probably be chastized by the list owners or mods for my comments. However, that is the price I'm willing to pay to make my point. No one owes you anything whether you're blind, sighted, left-handed, right-handed, etc. If you want it, you buy it, if you don't then don't. But, don't begrudge those of us who have nor the company for trying to make money. - Original Message - From: Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 21:46 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word”. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. Also, as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by. On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop down menu with various options including one
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I might write a 1 star review decrying the ability to test the app first for a nominal fee. I want something for something, and if effecting their average rating will get it, I'm happy to do so. It wouldn't be a misleading review either since I used the app just enough to know there is no monthly subscription. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it kind of sucks that people who don't buy a subscription can rate the app. Very misleading, since you haven't used the appp. Hopefully, people who read your review will take it with a cup of salt and realize you just want something for nothing. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
James, er, excuse me, Navigon offers the same level of access, and you base that on what? I have both, and therefore I am basing this on factual knowledge, Navigon which I used for years is not on the same level as Seeing Eye in terms of accessibility to O/M information, they are not even in the same league. Navigon's buttons are labelled sure, and I can use it to get me from A to B, but with no intersection data, no POI read aloud data, no intersections I pass by on the route data and no 4 Square integration. Seeing Eye uses 3 sources, two of which are free sources the third NavTeq is not and is a paid solution. I also fail to see why people believe Navigon is giving them map updates for free, Navigon App updates are free, but, that is the app alone and not the map data. This is an additional on top in app purchase. If you just download the free updates to Navigon all you are getting is the app itself updated and not the map data. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 3 Jul 2013, at 13:41, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote: Funny. I figured she just didn't want to be ripped off. As has been said on here and elsewhere. Navigon is a one-time payment, and is pretty much exactly as accessible as the Seeing Eye app. They also don't charge you for updates. The Trecker, while more expensive, also doesn't charge you for map updates. And if we're being honest, the Seeing Eye app doesn't need to pay for its access to, let's say, foursquare information, which is where it pulls its points of interest from. So again, what are you paying for for $70/year? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Barry Sent: July 3, 2013 6:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! She expects everything for nothing. At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote: Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil
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You go, Mary! You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:08 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe the real problem is that people who raise these objections had their specialized devices bought for them by rehab, and now times have changed, and they have to actually pay for something themselves. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.
No, you do not need a data connection to use MyWay Classic. It works strictly off the GPS. It does not use maps, instead you make the map by inserting points as you walk. I tried this app yesterday while walking to the barbershop through alleys and parking lots. It worked perfectly! Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Do you a data connection for myway classic? Problem with a lot of apps is that need for a connection. When camping, most places we go to have no connectivity. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
All decisions involving money require some thought. Not all of my sighted frinds drive BMW's. For that matter, not all of them have iPhones. At the risked of being flamed into a tiny bit of ash, the iPhone is quite expensive. In fact, all i devices are rather spendy. However, most people on this list have chosen to purchase them. No one has to have GPS in order to be mobile. People have been using white canes or guide dogs for years. Therefore either buy the app or don't! Blind people in general seem to be either under employed or unemployed. Certainly that's not true for all blind people, but it seems true for the majority. So, you make decisions as to how to spend your money. So decide whether or not you want this app or not! It's really rather simple! You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Jul 3, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Sean Paul newsandtraf...@aol.com wrote: Again, if you want to buy it, buy it, if you don't, don't. But, don't bitch complain about its price. Pay it or don't. I don't go to the store complain to them about the prices which they charge. I either buy something while I'm there or I don't. , I don't run around complaining about folks stealing money from blind folks pockets. Or, that someone is being greedy. Again, if I want it I pay. , yes, this is coming from someone who considers himself a cheapskate. It's one thing to talk about what an app will or won't do. How it works or how it doesn't. Whether it is accessible or not. Complaining about its price is quite another. - Original Message - From: James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 08:50 Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Uh. The last update we pulled in for the Breeze in this house? That would be yesterday. And yes, it was free. Now, granted to buy any other map, there's an extra cost. So say you're going to England for a vacation and decide to drag your GPS along. Except you won't be dragging the Seeing Eye app along, as it doesn't even work over there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: July 3, 2013 12:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Hi Mich, There is nothing misleading since if you didn't know about the subscription this simply means you didn't read the full app description and information. Right after where it says the app is free, the release date and customer ratings it says the following: Top In-App Purchases 1. Three Year Subscription$129.99 2. One Year Subscription$69.99 OK, so I was remembering the old price for the Breeze, but even at $500 I cam buy 4 3-year subscription renewals (4 times $130 = $520) which means 12 years of up-to-date coverage. When did you last get a map update for your Trekker? Was it free? OK, I know this is actively defending the Seeing Eye app which I am sure has its shortcomings. But I really dislike it if people bash a product which took an enormous amount of dedication and resources to develop simply because it's not given to them for virtually nothing. How about all that HUmanware greed, I mean how dare they charge the original adopters of the Breeze $800 or $900 and now they are :giving it away for little more than half that. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mich Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now
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and I would claim this is still paying full price for the iPhone. It isn't by any means a discount because we're blind users. To be honest, I'm not sure how the statement about paying full price for an iPhone or not even has anything to do with this argument. On 07/03/2013 08:44 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: The reason why you don't pay full price for an iPhone is because your provider subsidises the purchase by making you sign a 2-year contract where you commit to paying a high monthly price for your phone service so in essence it is not a one-time cost because if you decide to cancel your contract after 6 months you will have to buy out the phone. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Homuth Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:13 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Rarely do we pay a full price for an iPhone either, good sir. And once again, it's a one-time cost. If you must compare apples, please compare them to apples. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Logan Sent: July 3, 2013 9:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! This needs to stop. They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it greed. All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash. As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years, costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them. Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list. Peter Logan -Original Message- From: James Homuth Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze
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Everyone has to decide for themselves whether an app is worth the price being asked for or not. I know some people feel they can get similar functionality from less expensive apps or apps with a different payment method and that's great! For others, this app has features they're willing to pay for. This is no different than any other set of apps in the App Store, note taking apps, calendar apps, PIM apps and so on. There's a lot of choices and a lot of prices and it's good that we have another option. What I don't understand though about this thread is why some people think others care about whether they're willing to pay for this or any other app. I'd like information on the app, reviews, podcasts, a trial period, comparisons with other apps and so on. I'll decide for myself if I think it's worth the money or not. I don't really care if someone else in a different situation thinks it's worth the price or not. On 07/03/2013 08:07 AM, Robert Fenton wrote: For me, the additional information describing intersections is incredibly important, not because I need technology not to get lost, but for safety. As part of my job, I frequently travel to unfamiliar cities and it is helpful to know how intersections look before crossing them quite often for the first time. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-03, at 6:57 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote: Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone
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I don't think people complaining about it will have anything to do with whether it sticks around or not. I'm sure these people aren't new to putting out a product or dealing with blind consumers. How many people out of the total membership of this list have complained about the price? It's a pretty small but vocal minority. I think the marketplace will have more to do with whether this product is successful or not than anything else. On 07/03/2013 05:40 AM, Sean Paul wrote: , the more people bitch complain about its price the more likely the app is to go away. Which then wouldn't be right for those of us who have already paid the price for the app. If you don't like the price of the app, don't buy it. It to me is like a ford verses a BMW. Windows verses a Mac. Beer verses Champagne. Don't complain about the cost of the BMW, the Mac or Champagne if you don't want one, can't afford one, don't buy one. But, don't begrudge those who do want to buy one. Me personally, I'm pretty good at drinkin' beer. But, for those of you who want Champagne, I don't begrudge you. I would agree that it would be a great idea for them to have a trial period so that people can see what the app is like what it would do for them. Rather than having to buy the whole thing up front. I'd also agree that perhaps a monthly cost would be a good idea for those who can't or don't want to afford the whole cost up front. , yes as a matter of full disclosure, I have already purchased the app. Just one mans opinion, , yes, sometimes I do get paid for it. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 22:04 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word”. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app
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HI. is this app available outside the us? On 04/07/2013, at 4:20 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think people complaining about it will have anything to do with whether it sticks around or not. I'm sure these people aren't new to putting out a product or dealing with blind consumers. How many people out of the total membership of this list have complained about the price? It's a pretty small but vocal minority. I think the marketplace will have more to do with whether this product is successful or not than anything else. On 07/03/2013 05:40 AM, Sean Paul wrote: , the more people bitch complain about its price the more likely the app is to go away. Which then wouldn't be right for those of us who have already paid the price for the app. If you don't like the price of the app, don't buy it. It to me is like a ford verses a BMW. Windows verses a Mac. Beer verses Champagne. Don't complain about the cost of the BMW, the Mac or Champagne if you don't want one, can't afford one, don't buy one. But, don't begrudge those who do want to buy one. Me personally, I'm pretty good at drinkin' beer. But, for those of you who want Champagne, I don't begrudge you. I would agree that it would be a great idea for them to have a trial period so that people can see what the app is like what it would do for them. Rather than having to buy the whole thing up front. I'd also agree that perhaps a monthly cost would be a good idea for those who can't or don't want to afford the whole cost up front. , yes as a matter of full disclosure, I have already purchased the app. Just one mans opinion, , yes, sometimes I do get paid for it. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 22:04 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word”. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone
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One correction, if you want to receive frequent map updates from Navigon, you need to pay a fee. However, if you are happy with quarterly updates, there is no extra fee. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 04/07/2013, at 0:53, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote: With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like
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I wasn't in any suggesting that in particular that this one would. However, others who are not as used to dealing with this group of folks but wanted to devolope an app would see this as a lack of appreciation, lack of understanding, etc. Yes, I'm sure they're more than aware of all of the complaining. The larger pioint I was making was the whole if you don't like the price, don't buy it. Again, I've already said that I wished there was a trial period, a monthly price, etc. However, at this point, there is not making statements such as robbing the blind, taking money out of blind folks pockets, greedy, etc are not productive for getting a monthly subscribtion price, trial period, etc. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 14:20 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I don't think people complaining about it will have anything to do with whether it sticks around or not. I'm sure these people aren't new to putting out a product or dealing with blind consumers. How many people out of the total membership of this list have complained about the price? It's a pretty small but vocal minority. I think the marketplace will have more to do with whether this product is successful or not than anything else. On 07/03/2013 05:40 AM, Sean Paul wrote: , the more people bitch complain about its price the more likely the app is to go away. Which then wouldn't be right for those of us who have already paid the price for the app. If you don't like the price of the app, don't buy it. It to me is like a ford verses a BMW. Windows verses a Mac. Beer verses Champagne. Don't complain about the cost of the BMW, the Mac or Champagne if you don't want one, can't afford one, don't buy one. But, don't begrudge those who do want to buy one. Me personally, I'm pretty good at drinkin' beer. But, for those of you who want Champagne, I don't begrudge you. I would agree that it would be a great idea for them to have a trial period so that people can see what the app is like what it would do for them. Rather than having to buy the whole thing up front. I'd also agree that perhaps a monthly cost would be a good idea for those who can't or don't want to afford the whole cost up front. , yes as a matter of full disclosure, I have already purchased the app. Just one mans opinion, , yes, sometimes I do get paid for it. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 22:04 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word”. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia
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I was loathe to weigh in on this conversation, but judging from all the posts I’ve read on this topic, I think your anger and frustrations are being misdirected. The fact is, the bad guy here is Apple, not Sendero. If Apple would allow for refunds and not force a person to buy or suffer, then it would be fine, since people could purchase an app, and, like in a great deal of cases us blind folks find ourselves in, the app isn’t accessible, or doesn’t work well for us, we could then obtain a refund, sort of like a seven day grace period. So, in essence, it isn’t Sendero who comes up with this policy, it’s Apple, and so you have to live with that, not force Sendero to go against a major company like Apple. If you want Apple to listen, write to them, not Sendero, and certainly not to this list. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Phone: 1 (888) 737-1115 Fax: 1 (888) 737-1116 Work e-mail: vipt...@rogers.com Home E-mail: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
That's not fair. I haven't read anywhere here that Mary Ann wanted something for nothing. Nor did anyone else in this thread, at least not that I know of. If there is ever a trial period for the Seeing Eye app, I will take advantage of it and then decide if the app fills my needs better than those I already have. Since there is currently no trial version, I will not purchase the app at this time. I will not pay $69 plus tax for an app if I can't try it first. That goes for any app, not just one made specifically for the blind. Nightbird On Jul 3, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: She expects everything for nothing. At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote: Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name and the intersection
Re: Seeing eye app feature request
Robert, You may want to subscribe to the gps-talk list, where the Sendero folks monitor the traffic and make your feature suggestion there. I don't think they are on this list, so suggesting stuff here won't get to them first hand, I don't believe. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.