Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: Does it mean that you have now seen first ever scientifically demonstrable quantum reactor that producess clear and replicable anomalous heat effect? No, I have seen several. This is not even the first time a cold fusion reactor has been demonstrated at an ICCF conference. Cravens brought a nice Patterson reactor to an ICCF conference once. The instrumentation is elegant here but the reactor vessel is somewhat crude and it leaks. The calorimetry is very simple. Celani is going to discuss it momentarily. The engineer from TI is easier to understand. He now understands it quite well. Back in Austin I hear the president and CEO assisted setting it up, enthusiastically and hands on. - Jed
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Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration
how does he determine the ouput ? harry On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Celani has set up his demonstration cell. The people from TI reworked the instruments and the LabView code that collects data. They did a beautiful job. Celani just told me that he inputs 48 W constantly. This morning it did not work. They ran it and let it cool to clean it. They tried again about an hour ago and it began to produce ~4 W excess fairly soon. It climbs gradually up to ~20 W gradually and stays stable after that. Very impressive. Peter Hagelste - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration
Jed, Thanks for the live report! Isn't it NI instead of TI? Just to avoid giving credit to competitors that do not bring anything to the field... mic Il giorno 14/ago/2012 08:03, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com ha scritto: Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: Does it mean that you have now seen first ever scientifically demonstrable quantum reactor that producess clear and replicable anomalous heat effect? No, I have seen several. This is not even the first time a cold fusion reactor has been demonstrated at an ICCF conference. Cravens brought a nice Patterson reactor to an ICCF conference once. The instrumentation is elegant here but the reactor vessel is somewhat crude and it leaks. The calorimetry is very simple. Celani is going to discuss it momentarily. The engineer from TI is easier to understand. He now understands it quite well. Back in Austin I hear the president and CEO assisted setting it up, enthusiastically and hands on. - Jed
[Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi
At 2:30 of this video they mention aligning the holes shown machined on the outside of each cylinder to the top for access to the coils for wiring, etc. I believe they mount a circuit board for each cylinder atop/near each hole to access the coils to supply control power. They do not show the coils inside and i am not sure how they seal it all up. Another video shows the compression coil directly around the target spot of the plugs. A containment coil is supposedly around the rest of the piston. ProdEngAssemble.avihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqFgM8osjLEfeature=youtube_gdata_player Sent from my iPad
Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: how does he determine the ouput ? Briefly: The abstract says that at the lab they have a precision flow calorimeter. Here they are using crude thermometry in an uncontrolled environment. That is, a room full of people crowded around the machine, with currents of air and so on. Not a constant temperature incubator. That is obviously inaccurate but you cannot transport a flow calorimeter. The cell is equipped with two wires. One for calibration which I think is nichrome. It is gray, anyway. The other, working wire is constantan (Isotan 44) treated by Celani to be a lot more porous and absorbent. By thermometry I mean they turn on the 48 W heater or the working wire and watch the temperature stabilize at 120 deg C. That is the minimum temperature below which this material will not load, and no effect can be seen. This is straight DC power coming from a high quality power supply. As you would expect when there is no excess the temperature is very stable. The temperature stabilizes for a while even with the working wire. This morning it was flat. No indication of excess heat. When excess heat begins it fluctuates considerably, climbing and falling, from one minute to the next. With this kind of gas calorimeter, the increase in temperature is proportional to the excess heat, although not linear. When I did similar calorimetry years ago with Mizuno I found the response was stable, repeatable and predictable, and the fact that it is not linear is unimportant. (With something like LabView you can just tell it to be linear anyway. Throw in a fudge factor, or probably nowadays tell it to figure out the fudge factor.) Rob Duncan told me that the major problem with this arrangement would be changes in heat loss because of changes in convection. Convection dominates. If anything, he expects convection would increase as the gas moves faster, and this would lower the temperature. There is one thing that might raise the temperature slightly. The cell has a leak. It is initially pressurized to 20 atm. It loses 1 atm over 8 hours. That could not explain the anomalous temperature increase for two reasons: 1. The temperature rise happens too soon. 2. A leak is probably fairly steady, causing a steady, linear increase in temperature. It would never decrease. It would not fluctuate rapidly. When they brought the cell to Texas it had a variety of different instrument types attached, with LabView software written by various physicists and other non-experts. The people at NI looked at it -- actually, Truchard, the president and CEO himself looked at it, I gather -- and said let's get rid of everything but the cell. They replaced all instruments, computers, the interface box etc.; they put in the latest version of LabView and rewrote the code. So now it is as good as any instrument I have ever seen. It looks like a product brochure illustration. Except the method is still crude. At one point Truchard said, what this needs is an IR sensor for the surface temperature. He jumped in his car, drove to an electronics store and came back with a handheld IR sensor. He said: This was on sale. I got a great deal on it! The IR sensor is sitting on the table. That's the way the NI engineer told me the story, anyway. They say it is typical of Truchard. Input power is steady at 48 W both in Texas and here. Anomalous output was 5 W and climbing when I last saw it. In Texas it peaked at 21 W. I think Celani said that is a typical result. In other words, 48 + 21 = 69 W. I think that even crude thermometry should be adequate to measure a difference as large as this. I would call this a trade-show demonstration. That is, not something perfectly convincing in itself, but something that gives you feel for what the product is like. I doubt that the ENEA labs are incapable of measuring the difference between 48 and 69 W. - Jed
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Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't it NI instead of TI? Yes. Both in Texas. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration
Celani's spoken English is hard to understand. Many details of his presentation escaped me. I will ask him for copies of the slides. He is usually happy to share them. He concluded by saying he plans to improve the insulation and put it in self-sustaining mode, soon. That is to say, trigger the reaction with external power much less than 48 W, and then when it heats up anomalously, cut the external power and let it run in heat after death mode indefinitely. The current does stimulate wire activity, I guess with electromigration, but it is not essential once the reaction can begin. That will put to rest any concerns about the calorimetry, needless to say. That is a good idea. Celani is no fool. He says he thinks the wire acts mainly as a proton conductor. Pure, clean, as-received constantan does not work. The stuff is very cheap, by the way. Available in unlimited amounts. I think he said the longest run with this device in Italy was 2 months continuous. The biggest technical hurdle with this and the other wires he has been working on is that the wire breaks. Hydrogen embrittlement, I suppose. Constantan is not particularly immune to this but it seems to hold up at high temperatures. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration
Hi Jed, When you say they cleaned it, what exactly did they do? Do you mean vacuum pumping it? Or rinsing it with H2? Or did they somehow give treatment to the wire? If this step apparently is so important and leaving it out is prohibitive for the results, I'd like to understand that better. One thing I also fail to understand of Celani's setup is when he talks about switching from the active (treated) wire to the inactive (stock ISOTAN44?) wire as a control experiment. As far as I understand, both wires are in the tube simultaneously. What does this switching comprise of? Is he applying a DC current to the wire? (And -- just to make sure I understand -- this then is different from the power applied to the heater?) Thanks! Andre On 08/14/2012 01:14 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Celani has set up his demonstration cell. The people from TI reworked the instruments and the LabView code that collects data. They did a beautiful job. Celani just told me that he inputs 48 W constantly. This morning it did not work. They ran it and let it cool to clean it. They tried again about an hour ago and it began to produce ~4 W excess fairly soon. It climbs gradually up to ~20 W gradually and stays stable after that. Very impressive. Peter Hagelstein considers this an important experiment. All of the papers from this conference have already been submitted (except mine) and will be on line soon. (Mine is not ready because they told me a week beforehand to write one.) - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration
On 2012-08-14 14:36, Andre Blum wrote: One thing I also fail to understand of Celani's setup is when he talks about switching from the active (treated) wire to the inactive (stock ISOTAN44?) wire as a control experiment. As far as I understand, both wires are in the tube simultaneously. What does this switching comprise of? Is he applying a DC current to the wire? (And -- just to make sure I understand -- this then is different from the power applied to the heater?) As far as I understand there are two wires in Celani's demo setup. One is inert, one is active (the treated ISOTAN44 wire). The inert wire acts as a heater and as a calibration/control wire. The treated ISOTAN44 wire over a certain temperature threshold will show excess heat even if heated indirectly. This is what is shown at beginning of the experiment by applying DC current to the inert wire only. At a later time of the experiment, DC current to the inert wire is switched off and gets applied instead to the active wire, which shows even greater excess heat than when heated indirectly. Celani concludes this shows the active material has a positive feedback with temperature, a phenomenon which has also been reported by Rossi. Incidentally, the ashes Rossi gave to Kullander for analysis about a year ago contained large amounts of copper together with nickel and other materials in small amounts at a natural isotopic ratio. I speculate that these were not ashes (in theory they were supposed to demonstrated Ni-Cu fusion) but part of the active powder instead (probably without the proprietary catalyst). Clever diversion by Rossi. The fusion theory (which he doesn't appear to believe in anymore) was probably a red herring to gain a time advantage: pure nickel doesn't work as good as other alloys. To all effects and purposes, Celani's demonstrative cell (assuming there are no gross errors in calorimetry, although his cell in his laboratory at Frascati, Italy, should have a more sophisticated one) demonstrates that Rossi's E-Cat does work at least in principle. In my opinion this is a huge achievement for the entire LENR field, which should make other researchers/experimenters think twice before keeping working on historically problematic Pd-D electrolytic systems. Ni-H gas loaded cells are cheaper, easier to set up, easier to replicate, and show a better observable effect. And we need more data. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration
In my opinion this is a huge achievement for the entire LENR field, which should make other researchers/experimenters think twice before keeping working on historically problematic Pd-D electrolytic systems. Ni-H gas loaded cells are cheaper, easier to set up, easier to replicate, and show a better observable effect. And we need more data. Cheers, S.A. I agree that it is a major major milestone. A fully reproducible and even portable setup that delivers multi-Watt excess heat. Normally this should have us dancing in the street. Ironically, we are not, because there are promises of something so much better even around the corner. I also personally feel that it is a major implicit endorsement for Rossi. It *seems* like Celani has bent his experiments towards the direction taken by Rossi since early 2011. And lo and behold, he gets (1) the 100% reproducibility Rossi claimed; and (2) power levels that start to matter. This is something we have gradually grown to in the last 1.5 years, but keep in mind that it was not a trivial thing to shout in January 2011. At least it is safe to say these results certainly do not prove Rossi wrong. Thanks for your explanation about the wires. As you may know I am involved in the FusionCatalyst.org efforts to come up with an open source hardware and software setup for hydrogen loading / fusion experiments (I write the controller software on the embedded linux board that aids in making this setup much more affordable while very flexible). This project is now in a shape that Bastiaan has started to run experiments. So far, with pure (micron sized) nickel powder, he has not seen excess heat. We are at a point now where we have to decide on a direction to take for next experiments. Maybe you are right that we should try with alloys. Andre
[Vo]:How to convert nickel FCC lattice into C4 / Pm3m structures ?
All, I tried to find how to convert metal FCC lattices into C4 / Pm3m lattice structure (this is what Defkalion is claiming to do in preparation of their Nickel). Until now I have failed in finding ways to do that. Anyone knowledgeable on this?
[Vo]:Introducing Gremlin's Non-Identical Twin Brother - Chameleon
In my last post I explained why the radiation from Anomolous Heat is very weak. For those of you who missed it, it is because in order for radiation to first escape the quantum gravity of the gremlin's (collapsed matter) surface horizon, most of the radiation's energy is used up in escaping the pull of gravity since its velocity stays the same. This is very fortunate for all of us in nature. This explains the low energy levels of radiation coming from all the cold fusion devices. Once in awhile, if the gremlin quickly swallows an entire molecule and is thrown out of thermal equilibrium, he may intermittently belch higher levels of radiation. I also mentioned how a gremlin can actually cool his environment in the short term by taking in more energy than is evaporated. In the end, the laws of thermodynamics are preserved at the point the gremlin evaporates he will have liberated all of his matter and energy he has taken in. In this post, I will introduce gremlin's non-identical twin brother, who I call chameleon. A gremlin who has achieved equilibrium with his environment becomes a chameleon and loves to just hang out. Chameleons are very good at hiding within their environment, they have at least two things going for them. The first is that they, like their brother consume photons so they are hard to see. The second thing chameleons can do is mimic any charged particle. Conceivably they could even take the place of an electron or proton in a lattice and just hang out. One way to find out if you have a chameleon hiding in your lattice is to provide the lattice with some heat/energy. If there is a chameleon hiding in your lattice he will be enticed to consume some of that energy and may reward you with some additional energy back over and above what you put in. He may do this at the expense slowly degrading your lattice because as he consumes your energy, he grows a little bit bigger and might consume a neighbor in the lattice before shrinking back. This will show up as embrittlement within the lattice over time. I believe Celini's experiment shows this effect. Chameleons are calm and gremlins mostly cause trouble. Papp raised a bunch of angry gremlins, he gave birth to them in this cold, noble gas chamber and isolated them with his coil from the outside world and then starved them to death. As they died an instantaneous death, they converted all of that initial collapsed Helium matter to radiation energy with the potential of driving those piston engines to ungodly energy levels. On the flipside, DGT's gremlins were born in the lattice of a matter-rich environment and are busing gorging themselves, transmuting particles, converting to chameleons and generally having a chaotic party. Care for your gremlins and chameleons very carefully.
Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration
On 2012-08-14 15:43, Andre Blum wrote: [...] has not seen excess heat. We are at a point now where we have to decide on a direction to take for next experiments. Maybe you are right that we should try with alloys. Remember that material surface nano/micro structures appear to be very important, at least in Celani's case. Excessively large or even excessively small structures are detrimental for the excess heat effect. Try reading recent papers and presentation by Francesco Celani from LENR-CANR.org for more details. This can be a good start: http://www.iscmns.org/work10/Celani.pdf (not on lenr-canr.org, but it's available there too AFAIK). I don't remember if Francesco Celani ever got much in detail on how the material treatment is performed. Apparently a paper dedicated on this aspect alone is under preparation. That will be interesting to check out when it will be released. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi
Until I see an energy balance on the engine or they run this in a closed loop, generating the power for the spark and such, and produce a significant amount of work out over a significant amount of time they have nothing. Don't buy a thing until you have proof that it works. - Original Message - From: Chemical Engineer To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 3:18 AM Subject: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi At 2:30 of this video they mention aligning the holes shown machined on the outside of each cylinder to the top for access to the coils for wiring, etc. I believe they mount a circuit board for each cylinder atop/near each hole to access the coils to supply control power. They do not show the coils inside and i am not sure how they seal it all up. Another video shows the compression coil directly around the target spot of the plugs. A containment coil is supposedly around the rest of the piston. ProdEngAssemble.avi Sent from my iPad
Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi
Unless they back out of the PowerGEN conference in December, they should have a running system on display along with other OEMS using their engine. I am not ready to give them $50K On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Kelley Trezise ktrez2...@ssvecnet.comwrote: ** Until I see an energy balance on the engine or they run this in a closed loop, generating the power for the spark and such, and produce a significant amount of work out over a significant amount of time they have nothing. Don't buy a thing until you have proof that it works. - Original Message - *From:* Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2012 3:18 AM *Subject:* [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi At 2:30 of this video they mention aligning the holes shown machined on the outside of each cylinder to the top for access to the coils for wiring, etc. I believe they mount a circuit board for each cylinder atop/near each hole to access the coils to supply control power. They do not show the coils inside and i am not sure how they seal it all up. Another video shows the compression coil directly around the target spot of the plugs. A containment coil is supposedly around the rest of the piston. ProdEngAssemble.avihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqFgM8osjLEfeature=youtube_gdata_player Sent from my iPad
Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi
The use of an adjustable spanner more or less settles this discussion. On 08/14/2012 11:17 AM, Chemical Engineer wrote: Unless they back out of the PowerGEN conference in December, they should have a running system on display along with other OEMS using their engine. I am not ready to give them $50K On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Kelley Trezise ktrez2...@ssvecnet.com mailto:ktrez2...@ssvecnet.com wrote: Until I see an energy balance on the engine or they run this in a closed loop, generating the power for the spark and such, and produce a significant amount of work out over a significant amount of time they have nothing. Don't buy a thing until you have proof that it works. - Original Message - *From:* Chemical Engineer mailto:cheme...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2012 3:18 AM *Subject:* [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi At 2:30 of this video they mention aligning the holes shown machined on the outside of each cylinder to the top for access to the coils for wiring, etc. I believe they mount a circuit board for each cylinder atop/near each hole to access the coils to supply control power. They do not show the coils inside and i am not sure how they seal it all up. Another video shows the compression coil directly around the target spot of the plugs. A containment coil is supposedly around the rest of the piston. ProdEngAssemble.avi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqFgM8osjLEfeature=youtube_gdata_player Sent from my iPad
Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi
It is too bad that they did not show placement of the coils in this video. One thing to notice is that the cylinders are made of aluminum which will allow the steady state magnetic fields due to DC through the coils free access to the interior. The highly conductive cylinder walls would behave as a low pass filter that should prevent any high frequency coupling between the ions inside it and the coil outside. Every demonstration that I have seen suggests that the power pulse occurs very quickly. If this is indeed the situation then for all intents and purposes the magnetic field due to the coil is constant for this period. Do you know of any videos that clearly show the coil placement for this type of engine? Dave -Original Message- From: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 14, 2012 6:25 am Subject: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi At 2:30 of this video they mention aligning the holes shown machined on the outside of each cylinder to the top for access to the coils for wiring, etc. I believe they mount a circuit board for each cylinder atop/near each hole to access the coils to supply control power. They do not show the coils inside and i am not sure how they seal it all up. Another video shows the compression coil directly around the target spot of the plugs. A containment coil is supposedly around the rest of the piston. ProdEngAssemble.avi Sent from my iPad
Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF7HVi5OVIc On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:26 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It is too bad that they did not show placement of the coils in this video. One thing to notice is that the cylinders are made of aluminum which will allow the steady state magnetic fields due to DC through the coils free access to the interior. The highly conductive cylinder walls would behave as a low pass filter that should prevent any high frequency coupling between the ions inside it and the coil outside. Every demonstration that I have seen suggests that the power pulse occurs very quickly. If this is indeed the situation then for all intents and purposes the magnetic field due to the coil is constant for this period. Do you know of any videos that clearly show the coil placement for this type of engine? Dave -Original Message- From: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 14, 2012 6:25 am Subject: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi At 2:30 of this video they mention aligning the holes shown machined on the outside of each cylinder to the top for access to the coils for wiring, etc. I believe they mount a circuit board for each cylinder atop/near each hole to access the coils to supply control power. They do not show the coils inside and i am not sure how they seal it all up. Another video shows the compression coil directly around the target spot of the plugs. A containment coil is supposedly around the rest of the piston. ProdEngAssemble.avihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqFgM8osjLEfeature=youtube_gdata_player Sent from my iPad
Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi
The reason the balloon gets sucked in and the reason the coil gets hot is: The unit has created gremlins (collapsed matter). Over time, the gremlins are collapsing additional matter available in the vicinity until they have finally collapsed all the matter available. The coil is available to take charged particles away. Unfortunately, he may also be getting bombarded with quarks, gluons and other quantum goo that he is not even aware of... On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF7HVi5OVIc On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:26 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: It is too bad that they did not show placement of the coils in this video. One thing to notice is that the cylinders are made of aluminum which will allow the steady state magnetic fields due to DC through the coils free access to the interior. The highly conductive cylinder walls would behave as a low pass filter that should prevent any high frequency coupling between the ions inside it and the coil outside. Every demonstration that I have seen suggests that the power pulse occurs very quickly. If this is indeed the situation then for all intents and purposes the magnetic field due to the coil is constant for this period. Do you know of any videos that clearly show the coil placement for this type of engine? Dave -Original Message- From: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 14, 2012 6:25 am Subject: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi At 2:30 of this video they mention aligning the holes shown machined on the outside of each cylinder to the top for access to the coils for wiring, etc. I believe they mount a circuit board for each cylinder atop/near each hole to access the coils to supply control power. They do not show the coils inside and i am not sure how they seal it all up. Another video shows the compression coil directly around the target spot of the plugs. A containment coil is supposedly around the rest of the piston. ProdEngAssemble.avihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqFgM8osjLEfeature=youtube_gdata_player Sent from my iPad
[Vo]:A bit of shameless self-promotion
I am happy to hear of developments of the E-Cat and await with bated breath the presentation of a working product or third party proof. On the other hand if the E-Cat arrives, my beautiful play Waiting for E-Cat, will be moot. So here for you enjoyment of my magificant creation is a link to the play on my vanity blog: http://deadstickarizona-zedshort.blogspot.com/2012/03/waiting-for-e-cat.html I wrote it largely for my own amusement and am certain it will appeal to only the 0.001% of the population that is involved in this controversy. So, read it and have a laugh while the E-Cats remain in limbo. I'm considering turning it into a musical. Share and Enjoy Zedshort
RE: [Vo]:A bit of shameless self-promotion
Well, ya' coulda' named the dog Toto. since he's not in Kansas anymore From: Kelley Trezise I am happy to hear of developments of the E-Cat and await with bated breath the presentation of a working product or third party proof. On the other hand if the E-Cat arrives, my beautiful play Waiting for E-Cat, will be moot. So here for you enjoyment of my magificant creation is a link to the play on my vanity blog: http://deadstickarizona-zedshort.blogspot.com/2012/03/waiting-for-e-cat.htm l http://deadstickarizona-zedshort.blogspot.com/2012/03/waiting-for-e-cat.html I wrote it largely for my own amusement and am certain it will appeal to only the 0.001% of the population that is involved in this controversy. So, read it and have a laugh while the E-Cats remain in limbo. I'm considering turning it into a musical. Share and Enjoy Zedshort
[Vo]:LENR - MRI versus NMR- Peter Gluck=OKK
Greetings Vortex, In Dr Peter Gluck s post citing LENR, Peter is correct as usual. I should mention that in the book: A Machine Called Indomibable- The History of the MRI: that the he original term was: Nuclear Magnetic Resonance and people were concerned about the word: Nuclear. So NMR Imaging became MRI ..and the people felt better getting MRI Scans versus NMR Scans. Ah..we live in a world of unscientific Nervous Nellies. Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylstown PA
Re: [Vo]:LENR - MRI versus NMR- Peter Gluck=OKK
thank you, dear Ron, but I am only sometimes correct Peter On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Vortex, In Dr Peter Gluck s post citing LENR, Peter is correct as usual. I should mention that in the book: A Machine Called Indomibable- The History of the MRI: that the he original term was: Nuclear Magnetic Resonance and people were concerned about the word: Nuclear. So NMR Imaging became MRI ..and the people felt better getting MRI Scans versus NMR Scans. Ah..we live in a world of unscientific Nervous Nellies. Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylstown PA -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:Re: CMNS: New comment paper re Defkalion
Those slides and also their paper presented on ICCF 17, which is also available, are sadly inconclusive. They just add confusion to the mass. I asked someone to ask defkalion people if they had done isotope analysis and to ask what were the light elements. They said they did no isotope analysis, yet they said there was no transmutation of Ni. I don't know how could they conclude that. Also, they did not find Triton, He3 or He4 among the light elements. They found lithium, beryllium and boron, though. So, they claim things completely different from any group before them. They are sloppy and illogical . I am completely confused. Maybe they do not have good intentions, after all? Considering only the paper presented in the conference, it is not clear to me if they used isotopic ratio mass spectroscopy, which means, it seems did not try to determine the isotopes, they just plotted the variation of the mass of the samples with great accuracy. It's not possible to figure out if the samples were contaminated. It seems they used this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductively_coupled_plasma_mass_spectrometry When they should have also used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotope-ratio_mass_spectrometry Their data on small mass elements is still crazy, just with the crude method. This is unlike anything that was seen before, as far as I know. 2012/8/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Dear Friends, I have just published a paper inspired by Defkalion's recent publications. It is about LENR definition and theory and its *SPECIAL TARGET IS THE PARTICIPNTS* *OF THE THEORY PANEL AT ICCF 17.* http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/08/defkalion-big-bad-problem-is-definition.html Best wishes to you all, Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMNS group. To post to this group, send email to c...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cmns+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cmns?hl=en. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:New comment paper re Defkalion
Hi Peter, Those slides and also their paper presented on ICCF 17, which is also available, are sadly inconclusive. They just add confusion to the mass. I asked someone to ask defkalion people if they had done isotope analysis and to ask what were the light elements. They said they did no isotope analysis, yet they said there was no transmutation of Ni. I don't know how could they conclude that. Also, they did not find Triton, He3 or He4 among the light elements. They found lithium, beryllium and boron, though. So, they claim things completely different from any group before them. They are sloppy and illogical . I am completely confused. Maybe they do not have good intentions, after all? Considering only the paper presented in the conference, it is not clear to me if they used isotopic ratio mass spectroscopy, which means, it seems did not try to determine the isotopes, they just plotted the variation of the mass of the samples with great accuracy. It's not possible to figure out if the samples were contaminated. It seems they used this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductively_coupled_plasma_mass_spectrometry When they should have also used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotope-ratio_mass_spectrometry Their data on small mass elements is still crazy, just with the crude method. This is unlike anything that was seen before, as far as I know. 2012/8/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Dear Friends, I have just published a paper inspired by Defkalion's recent publications. It is about LENR definition and theory and its *SPECIAL TARGET IS THE PARTICIPNTS* *OF THE THEORY PANEL AT ICCF 17.* http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/08/defkalion-big-bad-problem-is-definition.html Best wishes to you all, Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:New comment paper re Defkalion
What a smart guys they are. Isn't it? They announce they moving to Canada, hand out a bunch of well written slides with many fancy pics and everybody forget the promise to show independent test results to the public. Did you guys forget that this promise is due in Jul/Aug 2012? All right, August is not yet over but, do you really expect that they'll do it by September? 2012/8/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Dear Friends, I have just published a paper inspired by Defkalion's recent publications. It is about LENR definition and theory and its *SPECIAL TARGET IS THE PARTICIPNTS* *OF THE THEORY PANEL AT ICCF 17.* http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/08/defkalion-big-bad-problem-is-definition.html Best wishes to you all, Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi
Thanks for the link. I saw it once then lost the location. One thing I notice is that this only happens when he uses a coil built to his interpretation of the original Papp design. Also, grounding the coil did not stop the strange heating effect. It was stated that the device needed the coil to be at the gap region and with current flowing in order to initiate the activity. He suggested that there was .5 volts across the coil when grounded. I assume that he broke the ground and then connected some form of meter across the turns. I suspect that this reading was not accurate and most likely external noise or possibly RF interference to his meter. Without making the measurements myself, I can only be skeptical as to the actual effects. The fact that one coil has the effect and another does not suggests that there is some form of resonance associated with the coil winding technique. It could be that the frequency at which this interaction takes place is beyond his measurement capacity. Coils have strange high frequency resonance due to distributed capacitance variation with winding and placement of the turns. No two coils are exactly alike at these high frequency effects especially if there is no special care given to achieve mechanical matching. Grounding of the two coil terminals could be of little consideration regarding extremely high frequency interactions since stray capacity could easily short out the terminals with respect to the frequency of importance. Many of the effects described suggest that this behavior is at an extremely high frequency and involves a coupling mechanism between the ions of the gas mixture and a uncontrolled resonance of the coil. The fact that the coil gets very hot implies an energy source of good power capacity. Since the effect continues without additional drive and light emission until the fuel has leaked out, I would be inclined to expect that some LENR process is at work. This particular process appears to involve a resonance of the coil and energy release by ions of nobel gasses. These two phenomena appear coupled electromagentically in a positive feedback arrangement. By this I mean that when extra energy is released by the ion cloud trapped within the electromagnetic field generated by currents within the coil a process occurs that tends to increase or decrease the field. That change in field then modifies the behavior of the active gas such that it emits additional energy. As I wrote before, this behavior is extremely important if it occurs as described. We would be amiss if we allowed such a process to escape detailed investigation. I would be willing to devote some of my time to follow up on this system since the possible applications are immense. Does anyone else feel as I do about the significance of this discovery? Dave -Original Message- From: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:36 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF7HVi5OVIc On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:26 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It is too bad that they did not show placement of the coils in this video. One thing to notice is that the cylinders are made of aluminum which will allow the steady state magnetic fields due to DC through the coils free access to the interior. The highly conductive cylinder walls would behave as a low pass filter that should prevent any high frequency coupling between the ions inside it and the coil outside. Every demonstration that I have seen suggests that the power pulse occurs very quickly. If this is indeed the situation then for all intents and purposes the magnetic field due to the coil is constant for this period. Do you know of any videos that clearly show the coil placement for this type of engine? Dave -Original Message- From: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 14, 2012 6:25 am Subject: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi At 2:30 of this video they mention aligning the holes shown machined on the outside of each cylinder to the top for access to the coils for wiring, etc. I believe they mount a circuit board for each cylinder atop/near each hole to access the coils to supply control power. They do not show the coils inside and i am not sure how they seal it all up. Another video shows the compression coil directly around the target spot of the plugs. A containment coil is supposedly around the rest of the piston. ProdEngAssemble.avi Sent from my iPad
Re: [Vo]:New comment paper re Defkalion
Dear Daniel, you well know that they are using some additives to enhance the process; Rossi has named these the Catalyst. The opinions inside the company nd for their friends are divided some say they are telling too much ( I am on this side too). Please focus on what is most valuable in what they say is that in order to get enrgy you maust work ahrd both on hydrogen and on Ni, otherwise itt does not work. They have found a way but I believe there are other ways too- all bassed on radica changes of the nature of H and Ni And do not wait simple theories tio be good, in your own intellectual interest Best wishes to you Daniel Peter Peter On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, Those slides and also their paper presented on ICCF 17, which is also available, are sadly inconclusive. They just add confusion to the mass. I asked someone to ask defkalion people if they had done isotope analysis and to ask what were the light elements. They said they did no isotope analysis, yet they said there was no transmutation of Ni. I don't know how could they conclude that. Also, they did not find Triton, He3 or He4 among the light elements. They found lithium, beryllium and boron, though. So, they claim things completely different from any group before them. They are sloppy and illogical . I am completely confused. Maybe they do not have good intentions, after all? Considering only the paper presented in the conference, it is not clear to me if they used isotopic ratio mass spectroscopy, which means, it seems did not try to determine the isotopes, they just plotted the variation of the mass of the samples with great accuracy. It's not possible to figure out if the samples were contaminated. It seems they used this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductively_coupled_plasma_mass_spectrometry When they should have also used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotope-ratio_mass_spectrometry Their data on small mass elements is still crazy, just with the crude method. This is unlike anything that was seen before, as far as I know. 2012/8/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Dear Friends, I have just published a paper inspired by Defkalion's recent publications. It is about LENR definition and theory and its *SPECIAL TARGET IS THE PARTICIPNTS* *OF THE THEORY PANEL AT ICCF 17.* http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/08/defkalion-big-bad-problem-is-definition.html Best wishes to you all, Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:How to convert nickel FCC lattice into C4 / Pm3m structures ?
Try googling nickel rutile pigments. You should see a link to a product called HEUCODUR made by HEUBACH. It appears that these are yellow pigments/paints made with 0.1 micron sized 'nickel rutile particles' with 'molecular formula:(Ni,Sb,Ti)O2 which I interpret as an oxide of an alloy of Ni, Sb, and Ti. Their brochure indicates that high-temperature processing (above 800 C) via 'calcination' is used. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote: All, I tried to find how to convert metal FCC lattices into C4 / Pm3m lattice structure (this is what Defkalion is claiming to do in preparation of their Nickel). Until now I have failed in finding ways to do that. Anyone knowledgeable on this?
[Vo]:To: Peter G et al re: Popular Science..and the No Coverage for Sept
Greetings Peter and Vortex-l I have been visiting our local bookstore to see IF Popular Science would feature anything on LENR-CF, BUT nothing is in the September issue. Also, I was watching http://www.popsci.com and they still have the old August website as of this e-mail. For a media corporation having a new issue on the newstands and an old non-updated website is SHABBY! I think that the new editor s last name is Ward. Popular Science seems to feature endless articles on Area 51 and UFOs. IF LENR Cold Fusion were discovered by a 14 year old in his basement, then perhaps they would cover it. Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown, PA... I have to dash the optimist in me concerning Popular Science having a LENR October issue.
Re: [Vo]:New comment paper re Defkalion
Dear Bertoldo, They are really moving to Canada due to the finacial situation of Greece and they really have done many test, the partners have reciprocal NDAs with them and don't want the tests made public. But it will come ye day when their kibitzes will be happy and their detractors rather sad. You can write them directly on their Forum next week. Till then they are in an arrividerci Grecia vacation in their Patria. Tanti auguri, Peter On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:47 PM, bertoldo arpagoni beroldo.arpag...@gmail.com wrote: What a smart guys they are. Isn't it? They announce they moving to Canada, hand out a bunch of well written slides with many fancy pics and everybody forget the promise to show independent test results to the public. Did you guys forget that this promise is due in Jul/Aug 2012? All right, August is not yet over but, do you really expect that they'll do it by September? 2012/8/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Dear Friends, I have just published a paper inspired by Defkalion's recent publications. It is about LENR definition and theory and its *SPECIAL TARGET IS THE PARTICIPNTS* *OF THE THEORY PANEL AT ICCF 17.* http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/08/defkalion-big-bad-problem-is-definition.html Best wishes to you all, Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:To: Peter G et al re: Popular Science..and the No Coverage for Sept
Dear Ron, it was changed for the next month, do not worry CF will come in Pop Sci peter On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Peter and Vortex-l I have been visiting our local bookstore to see IF Popular Science would feature anything on LENR-CF, BUT nothing is in the September issue. Also, I was watching http://www.popsci.com and they still have the old August website as of this e-mail. For a media corporation having a new issue on the newstands and an old non-updated website is SHABBY! I think that the new editor s last name is Ward. Popular Science seems to feature endless articles on Area 51 and UFOs. IF LENR Cold Fusion were discovered by a 14 year old in his basement, then perhaps they would cover it. Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown, PA... I have to dash the optimist in me concerning Popular Science having a LENR October issue. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:New comment paper re Defkalion
Dear Peter, I do not expect any theory to be simple. I think, as we discussed another time, something multistage like photosynthesis. But I cannot think about the if they do not release data with better accuracy! Given that there are many stages, I have to separate what comes in different stages and processes. Without more data, I cannot do that! 2012/8/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Dear Daniel, you well know that they are using some additives to enhance the process; Rossi has named these the Catalyst. The opinions inside the company nd for their friends are divided some say they are telling too much ( I am on this side too). Please focus on what is most valuable in what they say is that in order to get enrgy you maust work ahrd both on hydrogen and on Ni, otherwise itt does not work. They have found a way but I believe there are other ways too- all bassed on radica changes of the nature of H and Ni And do not wait simple theories tio be good, in your own intellectual interest Best wishes to you Daniel Peter Peter On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Peter, Those slides and also their paper presented on ICCF 17, which is also available, are sadly inconclusive. They just add confusion to the mass. I asked someone to ask defkalion people if they had done isotope analysis and to ask what were the light elements. They said they did no isotope analysis, yet they said there was no transmutation of Ni. I don't know how could they conclude that. Also, they did not find Triton, He3 or He4 among the light elements. They found lithium, beryllium and boron, though. So, they claim things completely different from any group before them. They are sloppy and illogical . I am completely confused. Maybe they do not have good intentions, after all? Considering only the paper presented in the conference, it is not clear to me if they used isotopic ratio mass spectroscopy, which means, it seems did not try to determine the isotopes, they just plotted the variation of the mass of the samples with great accuracy. It's not possible to figure out if the samples were contaminated. It seems they used this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductively_coupled_plasma_mass_spectrometry When they should have also used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotope-ratio_mass_spectrometry Their data on small mass elements is still crazy, just with the crude method. This is unlike anything that was seen before, as far as I know. 2012/8/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Dear Friends, I have just published a paper inspired by Defkalion's recent publications. It is about LENR definition and theory and its *SPECIAL TARGET IS THE PARTICIPNTS* *OF THE THEORY PANEL AT ICCF 17.* http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/08/defkalion-big-bad-problem-is-definition.html Best wishes to you all, Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:LENR - MRI versus NMR- Peter Gluck=OKK
As someone suggested, quantum reactor or quantum fusion reactor would work better. T
Re: [Vo]:New comment paper re Defkalion
please have empathy for them, including in the data release issue. and patience, What should I say I am at least 3 times older than you peter On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Peter, I do not expect any theory to be simple. I think, as we discussed another time, something multistage like photosynthesis. But I cannot think about the if they do not release data with better accuracy! Given that there are many stages, I have to separate what comes in different stages and processes. Without more data, I cannot do that! 2012/8/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Dear Daniel, you well know that they are using some additives to enhance the process; Rossi has named these the Catalyst. The opinions inside the company nd for their friends are divided some say they are telling too much ( I am on this side too). Please focus on what is most valuable in what they say is that in order to get enrgy you maust work ahrd both on hydrogen and on Ni, otherwise itt does not work. They have found a way but I believe there are other ways too- all bassed on radica changes of the nature of H and Ni And do not wait simple theories tio be good, in your own intellectual interest Best wishes to you Daniel Peter Peter On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Peter, Those slides and also their paper presented on ICCF 17, which is also available, are sadly inconclusive. They just add confusion to the mass. I asked someone to ask defkalion people if they had done isotope analysis and to ask what were the light elements. They said they did no isotope analysis, yet they said there was no transmutation of Ni. I don't know how could they conclude that. Also, they did not find Triton, He3 or He4 among the light elements. They found lithium, beryllium and boron, though. So, they claim things completely different from any group before them. They are sloppy and illogical . I am completely confused. Maybe they do not have good intentions, after all? Considering only the paper presented in the conference, it is not clear to me if they used isotopic ratio mass spectroscopy, which means, it seems did not try to determine the isotopes, they just plotted the variation of the mass of the samples with great accuracy. It's not possible to figure out if the samples were contaminated. It seems they used this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductively_coupled_plasma_mass_spectrometry When they should have also used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotope-ratio_mass_spectrometry Their data on small mass elements is still crazy, just with the crude method. This is unlike anything that was seen before, as far as I know. 2012/8/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Dear Friends, I have just published a paper inspired by Defkalion's recent publications. It is about LENR definition and theory and its *SPECIAL TARGET IS THE PARTICIPNTS* *OF THE THEORY PANEL AT ICCF 17.* http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/08/defkalion-big-bad-problem-is-definition.html Best wishes to you all, Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:LENR - MRI versus NMR- Peter Gluck=OKK
Terry, the ways of bureaucracy are tortuous, I have met seen lots of quantum reactors.They were mainly perpetuum stabile ypu know the antonu=ym of Perpettuum mobile. Peter On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: As someone suggested, quantum reactor or quantum fusion reactor would work better. T -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:How to convert nickel FCC lattice into C4 / Pm3m structures ?
Thanks Franco,
Interesting hint.
Hoe did you find the relation with C4 / Pm3m structure however?
On Tuesday, August 14, 2012, Franco Talari wrote:
Try googling nickel rutile pigments. You should see a link to a product
called HEUCODUR made by HEUBACH. It appears that these are yellow
pigments/paints made with 0.1 micron sized 'nickel rutile particles' with
'molecular formula:(Ni,Sb,Ti)O2 which I interpret as an oxide of an
alloy of Ni, Sb, and Ti. Their brochure indicates that high-temperature
processing (above 800 C) via 'calcination' is used.
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Teslaalset
robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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wrote:
All,
I tried to find how to convert metal FCC lattices into C4 / Pm3m lattice
structure
(this is what Defkalion is claiming to do in preparation of their
Nickel).
Until now I have failed in finding ways to do that.
Anyone knowledgeable on this?
Re: [Vo]:Inspiration
At 01:56 PM 8/13/2012, Bastiaan Bergman wrote: http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/90 [...] What is not known, and remains under considerable debate even now, is how the energy stored in the magnetic fields is converted into heating the corona Lesson: We have no freeking clue how fusion works Well, how hot fusion works is pretty well known. The corona is plasma. If I'm correct, it's not hot enough to result in much fusion. The problem here isn't a lack of understanding of fusion. Now, Mills has a theory about the corona. That's another matter and doesn't relate to fusion, not there, anyway. In condensed matter, hydrinos, if they exist, might catalyze fusion better than electrons can. Very close hydrinos would almost certainly catalyze fusion.
Re: [Vo]:How to convert nickel FCC lattice into C4 / Pm3m structures ?
A little more searching indicates that the composition of nickel rutile yellow is: (Ti_0.85 Sb_0.10 Ni_0.05)O_2, so I doubt that this is the rutile nickel you are searching for. Still perhaps this gives a clue... On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Franco Talari franco.tal...@gmail.comwrote: Try googling nickel rutile pigments. You should see a link to a product called HEUCODUR made by HEUBACH. It appears that these are yellow pigments/paints made with 0.1 micron sized 'nickel rutile particles' with 'molecular formula:(Ni,Sb,Ti)O2 which I interpret as an oxide of an alloy of Ni, Sb, and Ti. Their brochure indicates that high-temperature processing (above 800 C) via 'calcination' is used. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote: All, I tried to find how to convert metal FCC lattices into C4 / Pm3m lattice structure (this is what Defkalion is claiming to do in preparation of their Nickel). Until now I have failed in finding ways to do that. Anyone knowledgeable on this?
Re: [Vo]:Inspiration
If the Papp engine really works, it shows us that collapsed Helium ions work just as well as Collapsed Hydrogen ions... On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: At 01:56 PM 8/13/2012, Bastiaan Bergman wrote: http://physics.aps.org/**articles/v5/90http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/90 [...] What is not known, and remains under considerable debate even now, is how the energy stored in the magnetic fields is converted into heating the corona Lesson: We have no freeking clue how fusion works Well, how hot fusion works is pretty well known. The corona is plasma. If I'm correct, it's not hot enough to result in much fusion. The problem here isn't a lack of understanding of fusion. Now, Mills has a theory about the corona. That's another matter and doesn't relate to fusion, not there, anyway. In condensed matter, hydrinos, if they exist, might catalyze fusion better than electrons can. Very close hydrinos would almost certainly catalyze fusion.
Re: [Vo]:LENR - MRI versus NMR- Peter Gluck=OKK
I prefer Quantum Singularity Reactor... On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: As someone suggested, quantum reactor or quantum fusion reactor would work better. T
Re: [Vo]:LENR - MRI versus NMR- Peter Gluck=OKK
singularity is frightening peter On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote: I prefer Quantum Singularity Reactor... On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: As someone suggested, quantum reactor or quantum fusion reactor would work better. T -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:Recombination
Recombination What John Rohner said in an interview the other day complicates the nuclear reactions going on in LENR. John said that the original Papp engine produced boron as an ash product and as a consequence, demonstrated relatively poor reaction efficiency. Because of his efforts to optimize the reaction in his engine, he gets far better efficiency than Papp did: more than two times better. John said that like Papp, the Helium in his noble gas mix was fusing in his engine, but an inverse fission process is clearing the boron ash back to helium so that only energy is produced. If this complicated nuclear cycle is in fact occurring, it will be very hard to characterize the nuclear processes at work in these LENR reactors. Cheers:Axil
Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi - 1/2 volt grounded
On 8/14/2012 1:51 PM, David Roberson wrote: He suggested that there was .5 volts across the coil when grounded. I assume that he broke the ground and then connected some form of meter across the turns. I suspect that this reading was not accurate and most likely external noise or possibly RF interference to his meter. Without making the measurements myself, I can only be skeptical as to the actual effects. Dave To me it looks simpler: only that he grounded one coil terminal so that he could conveniently measure the voltage at the other. This /does /imply that the coil circuit is normally floating, which is possible if not likely. For an example of convenient, he may not have trusted the accuracy or bandwidth of the usual handheld meter, or if a scope he may not have the money for a scope that uses a balanced differential dual probe, and so needed a single-ended measurement,- and thus the grounding. Before differential scope inputs were affordable, and a certain waveform just had to be seen, we on occasion had to float our scope at whatever ungodly voltage and waveform was there, to accurately see what was across a component. Tore the safety ground out of the scope power cord, and then, /we were very careful! / lol. Yours, Ol' Bab, who was an engineer.
Re: [Vo]:Recombination
Referenced interview: http://larryseyer.com/media/podcasts/tmdd/TMDD-2012-08-10.MP3 Cheers: Axil On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Recombination What John Rohner said in an interview the other day complicates the nuclear reactions going on in LENR. John said that the original Papp engine produced boron as an ash product and as a consequence, demonstrated relatively poor reaction efficiency. Because of his efforts to optimize the reaction in his engine, he gets far better efficiency than Papp did: more than two times better. John said that like Papp, the Helium in his noble gas mix was fusing in his engine, but an inverse fission process is clearing the boron ash back to helium so that only energy is produced. If this complicated nuclear cycle is in fact occurring, it will be very hard to characterize the nuclear processes at work in these LENR reactors. Cheers:Axil
Re: [Vo]:Recombination
Axil, DGT has claimed no less than 10-11 elements created that would typically be created from fission or fusion. My theory is that the collapsed matter(gremlin) is indiscriminate, it can rip protons and/or electrons from nearby atoms due to the immense local quantum gravity and evaporate them back out Again, the typical radiation energy levels normally given off by a true fission or fusion process is reduced by having to overcome the immense localized gravity of the singularity. I believe the energy particles need to be removed from the Papp engine using the coil so that the singularities do not reach thermodynamic equilibrium and reduced net power output. I believe once created, the gremlin sits within the voids and cracks in the loaded Celini and DGT lattices in thermal equilibrium until you feed them some more energy by rattling the lattice or pumping it with electrical charge. You need to keep the gremlins cold and hungry if you want to produce power (Papp) and feed them alot of nearby matter if you want to transmute elements (DGT) On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Recombination What John Rohner said in an interview the other day complicates the nuclear reactions going on in LENR. John said that the original Papp engine produced boron as an ash product and as a consequence, demonstrated relatively poor reaction efficiency. Because of his efforts to optimize the reaction in his engine, he gets far better efficiency than Papp did: more than two times better. John said that like Papp, the Helium in his noble gas mix was fusing in his engine, but an inverse fission process is clearing the boron ash back to helium so that only energy is produced. If this complicated nuclear cycle is in fact occurring, it will be very hard to characterize the nuclear processes at work in these LENR reactors. Cheers:Axil
Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi - 1/2 volt grounded
It depends upon what he refers to by grounding. I assumed that he was just connecting each of the inductor leads to ground initially. He of course figured that this would eliminate any current flowing, but induced currents would continue as is well established. I am not knowledgeable about his level of expertise in electronics so I thought that he then opened one of the grounded coil ends and measured the voltage with the assumption that now there should be no signal, thus the grounded description. The only way we will be able to determine what was seen is for a direct question to the measurer about his test configuration. Dave -Original Message- From: David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi - 1/2 volt grounded On 8/14/2012 1:51 PM, David Roberson wrote: He suggested that there was .5 volts across the coil when grounded. I assume that he broke the ground and then connected some form of meter across the turns. I suspect that this reading was not accurate and most likely external noise or possibly RF interference to his meter. Without making the measurements myself, I can only be skeptical as to the actual effects. Dave To me it looks simpler: only that he grounded one coil terminal sothat he could conveniently measure the voltage at the other. This doesimply that the coil circuit is normally floating, which ispossible if not likely. For an example of convenient, he may not have trusted the accuracyor bandwidth of the usual handheld meter, or if a scope he may nothave the money for a scope that uses a balanced differential dualprobe, and so needed a single-ended measurement,- and thus thegrounding. Before differential scope inputs were affordable, and a certainwaveform just had to be seen, we on occasion had to float ourscope at whatever ungodly voltage and waveform was there, toaccurately see what was across a component. Tore the safety groundout of the scope power cord, and then, we were very careful! lol. Yours, Ol' Bab, who was an engineer.
Re: [Vo]:LENR - MRI versus NMR- Peter Gluck=OKK
Peter, I do not believe at this time there is any chance of collapse of a significant amount of matter from one of these things. Unless you give birth to an enormously large gremlin to begin with, they like to reach thermal equilibrium with their surroundings extremely quickly. There is however alot of energy claimed to be generated in the Papp Engine and much more available from what I see. 1500 Hp (1.1 MW) in a 360 cc engine limited to 2500 cycles/min using 8, 40 kV spark plugs is alot of energy from a rev limited engine. Imagine if you rev it to 8000 RPM... This is a relatively clean source of energy as long as you have the gremlins (collapsed matter) available nearby to suck the energy from the radiation as it leaves. A coil is a good idea also to remove charged particles created from gremlin belching. My understanding is that they emit charged particles. IF DGT wants to create a heater/power generation device I believe they should drop the nanopowder and look at the Papp Engine. If they stick with Nanopowder they should focus on transmutations, which is primarily what they are getting since that is what they are feeding their gremlins. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: singularity is frightening peter On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote: I prefer Quantum Singularity Reactor... On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.comwrote: As someone suggested, quantum reactor or quantum fusion reactor would work better. T -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:New comment paper re Defkalion
Are you 93? 2012/8/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com please have empathy for them, including in the data release issue. and patience, What should I say I am at least 3 times older than you peter -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration -- Other ICCF17 Comments
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/08/report-from-iccf-17/ Report from ICCF-17August 14, 2012 I thought this comment from Tyler van Houwelingen deserved to be in separate post. Thanks Tyler! Greetings from ICCF-17, After seeing the DGT presentation, speaking with them and speaking with people who have been onsite to see the hyperion in Greece, my take is that they are farther away from having a commercial ready device than we had hoped. Based on what people are telling me here with first hand knowledge, as recently as 3 weeks ago they were still unable to obtain stable demos of their technology (problems with the spark plugs failing), thus I suspect no chance of any 3rd party results soon as we had hoped and they had promised. They stated something along these lines yesterday, saying now they will release 3rd party results only after receiving certification. That said, DGT does appear to be pretty sound both with the science and engineering, however I believe they will need more resources and a bit of luck to get this to market in the next 6-12 months. IMHO Brillouin is also very solid, as we knew, but still probably at least 1 year from commercial readiness as well. IMHO That just leaves Rossi in the short term and there are lots of mixed messages about him. Some things people with first hand knowledge are telling me makes me more confident, some things less. At this point on day 2 of the show I am lowering my optimism of commercial readiness in my presentation a bit. Maybe it will come back up before Friday when I present, we shall see. By the way, Celanis demo is being setup now and looks AWESOME. Finally seeing LENR first hand is very cool. With 25W excess heat expected, I will see if we can boil some water for the coffee here at the conference . tyler In addition, Jed Rothewell has been reporting on vortex-l about the Celani device that is being set up at the meeting:
Re: [Vo]:Recombination
Chem Eng, Axil somehow my limits are reached. Do'nt know who from the italian faction it was (Piantelli?) who found lots of transmutations bydifferential analysis (pre-after of the SAME sample), then there is LeClair/nanospire, then DGTG, who claim similar things. This is like opening a can of worms, and needs a different theory altogether, right? Letsye term it the 'gremlin-theory' ala ChemEng. Peter somehow seems to have adopted this via DGTG, who claim a three-stage LENR-process which is not easily subsumed to a single theory. I somehow sympathisze with that, because my understanding of over 600degC LENR has trespassed its limits. Now the gremlins take over as a generalized model for understanding. No wonder Papp raises from his grave, who eventually is compliant with the gremlin-theory, which I do not understand. Count me confused. See the problem? Wave WL and variants goodbye, everything is open. Or is it? I am not ready for that. This belongs into the extra-extraordinary claims department. Fleischmann nearly being rehabilitated after 20 years. Now that! Does LENR have to go back to the drawing board, or does it drown in another round of obscurity? Maybe highly respected Abd Ul could comment on that As said: Count me confused, Guenter Von: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 21:35 Dienstag, 14.August 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Recombination Axil, DGT has claimed no less than 10-11 elements created that would typically be created from fission or fusion. My theory is that the collapsed matter(gremlin) is indiscriminate, it can rip protons and/or electrons from nearby atoms due to the immense local quantum gravity and evaporate them back out Again, the typical radiation energy levels normally given off by a true fission or fusion process is reduced by having to overcome the immense localized gravity of the singularity. I believe the energy particles need to be removed from the Papp engine using the coil so that the singularities do not reach thermodynamic equilibrium and reduced net power output. I believe once created, the gremlin sits within the voids and cracks in the loaded Celini and DGT lattices in thermal equilibrium until you feed them some more energy by rattling the lattice or pumping it with electrical charge. You need to keep the gremlins cold and hungry if you want to produce power (Papp) and feed them alot of nearby matter if you want to transmute elements (DGT) On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Recombination What John Rohner said in an interview the other day complicates the nuclear reactions going on in LENR. John said that the original Papp engine produced boron as an ash product and as a consequence, demonstrated relatively poor reaction efficiency. Because of his efforts to optimize the reaction in his engine, he gets far better efficiency than Papp did: more than two times better. John said that like Papp, the Helium in his noble gas mix was fusing in his engine, but an inverse fission process is clearing the boron ash back to helium so that only energy is produced. If this complicated nuclear cycle is in fact occurring, it will be very hard to characterize the nuclear processes at work in these LENR reactors. Cheers: Axil
Re: [Vo]:To: Peter G et al re: Popular Science..and the No Coverage for Sept
I wait for it in science... Maybe for the first LENR plane test flight to prove it is impossible. 2012/8/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Dear Ron, it was changed for the next month, do not worry CF will come in Pop Sci peter On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Peter and Vortex-l I have been visiting our local bookstore to see IF Popular Science would feature anything on LENR-CF, BUT nothing is in the September issue. Also, I was watching http://www.popsci.com and they still have the old August website as of this e-mail. For a media corporation having a new issue on the newstands and an old non-updated website is SHABBY! I think that the new editor s last name is Ward. Popular Science seems to feature endless articles on Area 51 and UFOs. IF LENR Cold Fusion were discovered by a 14 year old in his basement, then perhaps they would cover it. Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown, PA... I have to dash the optimist in me concerning Popular Science having a LENR October issue. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:LENR - MRI versus NMR- Peter Gluck=OKK
Peter, ChemEng, frightening it is. In the sense that 'logic' is abandoned. The 'singularity' is synonymous to annihilation of 'logic'. So beware what you think for! Have been fighting the 'singularity' in all sorts of contexts for years. It is sort of a joker. For the same (hopefully logic) reason I reject the big bang, which is a singularity hiding behind the Heisenberg radius. A lot of practical folks here are annoyed by this -my- way of thinking, which seems philosophical, which it is -strictu sensu- not. It is just trying to think affairs to their end. Guenter Von: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 20:50 Dienstag, 14.August 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:LENR - MRI versus NMR- Peter Gluck=OKK singularity is frightening peter On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I prefer Quantum Singularity Reactor... On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: As someone suggested, quantum reactor or quantum fusion reactor would work better. T -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration -- Other ICCF17 Comments
Sorry if I missed this come across the wire last week: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/08/07/lenr-gets-major-boost-from-national-instruments/ Thought it was a great article and was surprised to see our dear old friend Mary Yugu as chatty as ever in the comments at the bottom of the article. Joe On 08/14/2012 04:12 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/08/report-from-iccf-17/ http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/08/report-from-iccf-17/ *Report from ICCF-17* August 14, 2012 /I thought this comment from Tyler van Houwelingen deserved to be in separate post. Thanks Tyler! /Greetings from ICCF-17, After seeing the DGT presentation, speaking with them and speaking with people who have been onsite to see the hyperion in Greece, my take is that they are farther away from having a commercial ready device than we had hoped. Based on what people are telling me here with first hand knowledge, as recently as 3 weeks ago they were still unable to obtain stable demos of their technology (problems with the spark plugs failing), thus I suspect no chance of any 3rd party results soon as we had hoped and they had promised. They stated something along these lines yesterday, saying now they will release 3rd party results only after receiving certification. That said, DGT does appear to be pretty sound both with the science and engineering, however I believe they will need more resources and a bit of luck to get this to market in the next 6-12 months. IMHO Brillouin is also very solid, as we knew, but still probably at least 1 year from commercial readiness as well. IMHO That just leaves Rossi in the short term and there are lots of mixed messages about him. Some things people with first hand knowledge are telling me makes me more confident, some things less. At this point on day 2 of the show I am lowering my optimism of commercial readiness in my presentation a bit. Maybe it will come back up before Friday when I present, we shall see. By the way, Celanis demo is being setup now and looks AWESOME. Finally seeing LENR first hand is very cool. With 25W excess heat expected, I will see if we can boil some water for the coffee here at the conference tyler /In addition, Jed Rothewell has been reporting on vortex-l about the Celani device that is being set up at the meeting: /
Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration -- Other ICCF17 Comments
At 01:47 PM 8/14/2012, Joe Hughes wrote: Sorry if I missed this come across the wire last week: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/08/07/lenr-gets-major-boost-from-national-instruments/ Thought it was a great article and was surprised to see our dear old friend Mary Yugu as chatty as ever in the comments at the bottom of the article. Joe The usual old blank run, no calorimeter ... very neatly put down by martinezrr in the next post
Re: [Vo]:the Coil
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:52:02 -0400: Hi, [snip] How do the fields from the coil get through the metal walls? Good question. I think there are some metals that a non changing magnetic field will penetrate, though those containing magnetic materials such as iron mostly not (except perhaps some stainless steels). OTOH a varying magnetic field should induce eddy currents in most conductors, causing them to at least partially shield against those changes. Most insulators on the other hand pass magnetic fields just fine. Cheers: Axil On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:36 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:20:50 -0400: Hi, [snip] I thought the cylinder walls were made of metal. I did not say that. I said it would pass through glass and be adsorbed by a conductor. Read my posts more carefully. Axil On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:39 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 12 Aug 2012 19:43:04 -0400: Hi, [snip] I have the answer to why the gas leaves the cylinder and it is not teleportation. Ball lightning is Rydberg matter, and ball lightning has been known to pass through solid walls. If highly excited atoms have no coil to confine them to the center of the cylinder, they will pass through the cylinder walls in the same way that ball lightning can pass through solid walls. Simple, the Papp engine is making ball lightning. Cheers: Axil I don't think ball lightning will pass through a conductor. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox
Models of the Sun's evolution predict the Sun was 70% percent as bright 2 billion years ago, and the Earth should have been an ice ball at that time. Yet the geological record indicates the oceans were liquid. A number of explanations have been proposed which haven't faired well upon closer study. The lastest explanation says that the Earth at one time orbited closer to the Sun: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120530152034.htm Here is another: If LENR occurs inside the Earth then perhaps there was sufficient LENR activity in the Earth billions of years ago to keep the oceans liquid. harry
Re: [Vo]:the Coil
In reply to David Roberson's message of Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:50:22 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] There is a phenomena that is not too well known that most likely allows this possibility to exist. I first ran into this effect years ago when designing and modeling an EAS system. The system worked with a small linear magnetic strip of material that relied upon magnetostriction for detection. I was analyzing the magnetic field originating from a tuned coil that surrounded the tiny tag to determine energy flow and coupling. My model told me that the magnetic field from the coil itself was roughly Q times as large as the small source tag supplying the energy for the coil. This seems to be heresy for obvious reasons and I shared my results with all of the scientists and engineers in the group. Everyone assumed that this was not possible until I was able to model that the phase of the coil induced field was at approximately right angles to that of the tag. I will leave the details for anyone interested to work out as an exercise. There were a couple of guys with PhD's in physics among the group and I had to do some difficult explaining. So, in the case at hand I can visualize how a relatively large, high Q, electro magnetically coupled, tuned inductor can interact with a current of ions. The inductive field dominates the ion movement by virtue of its overwhelming magnitude. This field causes the ions to follow the magnetic lines of force that are of an axial nature. The ions travel in a helical path that becomes synchronized to the oscillation frequency of the inductor since the Q of that network continues to supply energy during periods of time when the ions are passive. At some point in time and inductor generated magnetic field level, the ion collection is induced to supply a burst of energy. Think of this as being similar to the transition through the negative resistance region of a tunnel diode. It is my opinion that the system being observed behaves as a negative resistance oscillator by some means. If a nuclear reaction is responsible for creating very energetic particles, then these will in turn create tens to hundreds of thousands of ions as they slow down in the gas, causing the gas to expand, and also storing electrical energy in the electron-ion pairs. When the electrons recombine with the ions a burst of energy should be released, which could be in the form of an EM pulse that interacts with the coil. This is also what Paul Brown was claiming (reinvention of the Alfred Hubbard device see http://www.rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm). See also Paul's patent (US4835433). Note that in the John Rohner video, he also mentions a burst/pulse of energy, and says they only want one [per power stroke], so as not to waste energy. That would appear to confirm this analysis. All oscillator networks that I am familiar with have some form of mechanism that limits the energy excursions. Fortunately, the coil in this case does not burst into flames or have its wire melt as it is driven by the energy generation process. I suspect that the maximum magnitude of the induced magnetic field acts as the damper in this situation. Perhaps the helical motion(rotation frequency) of the ions becomes modified and thus the coupling between the ions and inductor is reduced at the inductor resonant frequency. It is too early to identify these parameters at this time. We need to harness this interaction and utilize the free energy that results. I don't think it's quite free, but I think you have probably correctly identified the mechanism. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration
Thanks for the detailed answer. Harry On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: how does he determine the ouput ? Briefly: The abstract says that at the lab they have a precision flow calorimeter. Here they are using crude thermometry in an uncontrolled environment. That is, a room full of people crowded around the machine, with currents of air and so on. Not a constant temperature incubator. That is obviously inaccurate but you cannot transport a flow calorimeter. The cell is equipped with two wires. One for calibration which I think is nichrome. It is gray, anyway. The other, working wire is constantan (Isotan 44) treated by Celani to be a lot more porous and absorbent. By thermometry I mean they turn on the 48 W heater or the working wire and watch the temperature stabilize at 120 deg C. That is the minimum temperature below which this material will not load, and no effect can be seen. This is straight DC power coming from a high quality power supply. As you would expect when there is no excess the temperature is very stable. The temperature stabilizes for a while even with the working wire. This morning it was flat. No indication of excess heat. When excess heat begins it fluctuates considerably, climbing and falling, from one minute to the next. With this kind of gas calorimeter, the increase in temperature is proportional to the excess heat, although not linear. When I did similar calorimetry years ago with Mizuno I found the response was stable, repeatable and predictable, and the fact that it is not linear is unimportant. (With something like LabView you can just tell it to be linear anyway. Throw in a fudge factor, or probably nowadays tell it to figure out the fudge factor.) Rob Duncan told me that the major problem with this arrangement would be changes in heat loss because of changes in convection. Convection dominates. If anything, he expects convection would increase as the gas moves faster, and this would lower the temperature. There is one thing that might raise the temperature slightly. The cell has a leak. It is initially pressurized to 20 atm. It loses 1 atm over 8 hours. That could not explain the anomalous temperature increase for two reasons: 1. The temperature rise happens too soon. 2. A leak is probably fairly steady, causing a steady, linear increase in temperature. It would never decrease. It would not fluctuate rapidly. When they brought the cell to Texas it had a variety of different instrument types attached, with LabView software written by various physicists and other non-experts. The people at NI looked at it -- actually, Truchard, the president and CEO himself looked at it, I gather -- and said let's get rid of everything but the cell. They replaced all instruments, computers, the interface box etc.; they put in the latest version of LabView and rewrote the code. So now it is as good as any instrument I have ever seen. It looks like a product brochure illustration. Except the method is still crude. At one point Truchard said, what this needs is an IR sensor for the surface temperature. He jumped in his car, drove to an electronics store and came back with a handheld IR sensor. He said: This was on sale. I got a great deal on it! The IR sensor is sitting on the table. That's the way the NI engineer told me the story, anyway. They say it is typical of Truchard. Input power is steady at 48 W both in Texas and here. Anomalous output was 5 W and climbing when I last saw it. In Texas it peaked at 21 W. I think Celani said that is a typical result. In other words, 48 + 21 = 69 W. I think that even crude thermometry should be adequate to measure a difference as large as this. I would call this a trade-show demonstration. That is, not something perfectly convincing in itself, but something that gives you feel for what the product is like. I doubt that the ENEA labs are incapable of measuring the difference between 48 and 69 W. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:the Coil
I think in the Papp you are trading Helium ions for energy at the rate of e=mc2. Not a bad trade, i just hope the cost of balloons does not go up. On Tuesday, August 14, 2012, wrote: In reply to David Roberson's message of Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:50:22 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] There is a phenomena that is not too well known that most likely allows this possibility to exist. I first ran into this effect years ago when designing and modeling an EAS system. The system worked with a small linear magnetic strip of material that relied upon magnetostriction for detection. I was analyzing the magnetic field originating from a tuned coil that surrounded the tiny tag to determine energy flow and coupling. My model told me that the magnetic field from the coil itself was roughly Q times as large as the small source tag supplying the energy for the coil. This seems to be heresy for obvious reasons and I shared my results with all of the scientists and engineers in the group. Everyone assumed that this was not possible until I was able to model that the phase of the coil induced field was at approximately right angles to that of the tag. I will leave the details for anyone interested to work out as an exercise. There were a couple of guys with PhD's in physics among the group and I had to do some difficult explaining. So, in the case at hand I can visualize how a relatively large, high Q, electro magnetically coupled, tuned inductor can interact with a current of ions. The inductive field dominates the ion movement by virtue of its overwhelming magnitude. This field causes the ions to follow the magnetic lines of force that are of an axial nature. The ions travel in a helical path that becomes synchronized to the oscillation frequency of the inductor since the Q of that network continues to supply energy during periods of time when the ions are passive. At some point in time and inductor generated magnetic field level, the ion collection is induced to supply a burst of energy. Think of this as being similar to the transition through the negative resistance region of a tunnel diode. It is my opinion that the system being observed behaves as a negative resistance oscillator by some means. If a nuclear reaction is responsible for creating very energetic particles, then these will in turn create tens to hundreds of thousands of ions as they slow down in the gas, causing the gas to expand, and also storing electrical energy in the electron-ion pairs. When the electrons recombine with the ions a burst of energy should be released, which could be in the form of an EM pulse that interacts with the coil. This is also what Paul Brown was claiming (reinvention of the Alfred Hubbard device see http://www.rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm). See also Paul's patent (US4835433). Note that in the John Rohner video, he also mentions a burst/pulse of energy, and says they only want one [per power stroke], so as not to waste energy. That would appear to confirm this analysis. All oscillator networks that I am familiar with have some form of mechanism that limits the energy excursions. Fortunately, the coil in this case does not burst into flames or have its wire melt as it is driven by the energy generation process. I suspect that the maximum magnitude of the induced magnetic field acts as the damper in this situation. Perhaps the helical motion(rotation frequency) of the ions becomes modified and thus the coupling between the ions and inductor is reduced at the inductor resonant frequency. It is too early to identify these parameters at this time. We need to harness this interaction and utilize the free energy that results. I don't think it's quite free, but I think you have probably correctly identified the mechanism. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi
I really want to believe these guys are for real in their revival of the Papp engine. If it works, it's certainly more compelling than getting heat from LENR. One thing bothers me in watching the video of the engine assembly. The piston rings are rubber O-rings. There's no way in hell that the helium in the noble gas mixture will stay in the cylinder for an appreciable length of time. Helium is notoriously fugitive and will escape from virtuall any container not made of solid glass or metal. O-rings just aren't going to work in their engine unless the noble gas mixture can be replenished frequently. -q On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:18 AM PDT Chemical Engineer wrote: At 2:30 of this video they mention aligning the holes shown machined on the outside of each cylinder to the top for access to the coils for wiring, etc. I believe they mount a circuit board for each cylinder atop/near each hole to access the coils to supply control power. They do not show the coils inside and i am not sure how they seal it all up. Another video shows the compression coil directly around the target spot of the plugs. A containment coil is supposedly around the rest of the piston. ProdEngAssemble.avihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqFgM8osjLEfeature=youtube_gdata_player Sent from my iPad
Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox
Probably the most sensible solution is that the atmosphere was significantly thicker. 30% less heat input would drop the earth's temperature by about 20°C, but 20% more mass of air would increase the temperature by about 20°C at ground level. We know that during the age of the dinosaurs that there was a lot more oxygen in the atmosphere, it was up to about 30% O2 vs 20% now. Assuming the quantity of nitrogen is about the same (pretty safe as it doesn't react significantly or leak away) then you are looking at another 10°C just in the extra thickness of atmosphere caused by that extra oxygen. Before about 800 million years ago the atmosphere had very little O2 and a whole lot of CO2, which would have made the atmosphere even thicker and further increased the temperature at the surface. Also the earth was spinning a lot faster and the thicker atmosphere transported heat better from the tropics to the poles, producing a wider latitudinal band of temperature climates (this is known from geological studies) On 14 August 2012 23:27, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Models of the Sun's evolution predict the Sun was 70% percent as bright 2 billion years ago, and the Earth should have been an ice ball at that time. Yet the geological record indicates the oceans were liquid. A number of explanations have been proposed which haven't faired well upon closer study. The lastest explanation says that the Earth at one time orbited closer to the Sun: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120530152034.htm Here is another: If LENR occurs inside the Earth then perhaps there was sufficient LENR activity in the Earth billions of years ago to keep the oceans liquid. harry
[Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation
Jed just gave me a copy. I have u/l to google: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8mt4mJOTGvBeXJCNXNUdEJVME0 Haven't read it yet. I have another; but, we are awaiting permission to share. T
Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation
Oh, Jed suggested the following edit: Nuked eyes = naked eyes But, the document is locked and does not accept changes. T On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Jed just gave me a copy. I have u/l to google: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8mt4mJOTGvBeXJCNXNUdEJVME0 Haven't read it yet. I have another; but, we are awaiting permission to share. T
Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation
On 2012-08-15 02:10, Terry Blanton wrote: Jed just gave me a copy. I have u/l to google: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8mt4mJOTGvBeXJCNXNUdEJVME0 Haven't read it yet. I have another; but, we are awaiting permission to share. Very good! Thanks! Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46632008/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/mystery-still-why-early-earth-didnt-freeze-over/ For greenhouse gases to explain the faint young sun paradox, their concentrations would need to have been extremely high, hundreds to thousands of times as much as today. If levels of carbon dioxide were that high, they would be recorded in ancient soils and sediments in the rock record, Pope said. If levels of methane were that high, they would actually form a kind of organic haze in the atmosphere that blocks the sun's rays and would counteract its properties as a greenhouse gas. Now scientists analyzing relatively pristine 3.8-billion-year-old rocks from Isua find no evidence that greenhouse gas levels were high enough to explain the faint young sun paradox, further deepening the mystery, Pope told LiveScience. harry On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Probably the most sensible solution is that the atmosphere was significantly thicker. 30% less heat input would drop the earth's temperature by about 20°C, but 20% more mass of air would increase the temperature by about 20°C at ground level. We know that during the age of the dinosaurs that there was a lot more oxygen in the atmosphere, it was up to about 30% O2 vs 20% now. Assuming the quantity of nitrogen is about the same (pretty safe as it doesn't react significantly or leak away) then you are looking at another 10°C just in the extra thickness of atmosphere caused by that extra oxygen. Before about 800 million years ago the atmosphere had very little O2 and a whole lot of CO2, which would have made the atmosphere even thicker and further increased the temperature at the surface. Also the earth was spinning a lot faster and the thicker atmosphere transported heat better from the tropics to the poles, producing a wider latitudinal band of temperature climates (this is known from geological studies) On 14 August 2012 23:27, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Models of the Sun's evolution predict the Sun was 70% percent as bright 2 billion years ago, and the Earth should have been an ice ball at that time. Yet the geological record indicates the oceans were liquid. A number of explanations have been proposed which haven't faired well upon closer study. The lastest explanation says that the Earth at one time orbited closer to the Sun: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120530152034.htm Here is another: If LENR occurs inside the Earth then perhaps there was sufficient LENR activity in the Earth billions of years ago to keep the oceans liquid. harry
Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Very good! Thanks! After all you do, da nada! We have a lot of lurkers on Vortex. Ten minutes after I u/l, there are 25 views. :-) T
Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi
John Rohner uses magnetic confinement to keep the noble gas located axially at the center of the cylinder. This might keep the gases away from the edge of the piston. What this might mean is that the gas is well contained while the engine is running. The coil provides a cylinder within the cylinder. But while the engine is off, the gas may find a path around the rings and may need a recharge. This means that the engine must run continually. Rohner does not seem to be much concerned about the rings. He said he will replace the two ring system with a single ring in the final product. Cheers: Axil On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Michael Foster mf...@yahoo.com wrote: I really want to believe these guys are for real in their revival of the Papp engine. If it works, it's certainly more compelling than getting heat from LENR. One thing bothers me in watching the video of the engine assembly. The piston rings are rubber O-rings. There's no way in hell that the helium in the noble gas mixture will stay in the cylinder for an appreciable length of time. Helium is notoriously fugitive and will escape from virtuall any container not made of solid glass or metal. O-rings just aren't going to work in their engine unless the noble gas mixture can be replenished frequently. -q On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:18 AM PDT Chemical Engineer wrote: At 2:30 of this video they mention aligning the holes shown machined on the outside of each cylinder to the top for access to the coils for wiring, etc. I believe they mount a circuit board for each cylinder atop/near each hole to access the coils to supply control power. They do not show the coils inside and i am not sure how they seal it all up. Another video shows the compression coil directly around the target spot of the plugs. A containment coil is supposedly around the rest of the piston. ProdEngAssemble.avi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqFgM8osjLEfeature=youtube_gdata_player Sent from my iPad
Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation
This image: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8mt4mJOTGvBUkl3SGNkcmQxTTg shows the effect from the air conditioner since the demonstration unit is not insulated. (From Jed) T
RE: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox
A more sensible solution is that was NO faint young sun to begin with. The same flawed model of solar mechanics that gives us the solar neutrino problem also gives us the faint young sun problem. They invented a straw man that never was much more than fiction, and now that they are trying to keep it in play with an even more insane rationalization. Why not just admit the model is wrong. The solar model of Mills posits non-nuclear hydrogen energy from the solar corona, and thereby solves both problems, and more. This corona energy may see-saw in intensity with fusion energy in the core. From: Robert Lynn Probably the most sensible solution is that the atmosphere was significantly thicker. 30% less heat input would drop the earth's temperature by about 20°C, but 20% more mass of air would increase the temperature by about 20°C at ground level.
[Vo]:Fwd: Celani ICCF17 Presentation
From Jed. T -- Forwarded message -- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:45 PM Subject: Re: Celani ICCF17 Presentation To: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Paper is here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/CelaniFcunimnallo.pdf - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: This image: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8mt4mJOTGvBUkl3SGNkcmQxTTg shows the effect from the air conditioner since the demonstration unit is not insulated. (From Jed) Source is from National Instruments guy according to Jed. T
Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi
Axil, I believe you are correct. My understanding is that there are two coils in each cylinder, one for compression and one for containment. I believe the compression coil is located exactly around the focal point of the spark plug electrodes so that it concentrates ions at the focal point for blasting with 160 kV per cycle from the four plugs. That blast, along with the ionization charge already carried by the ions as well as kinetic energy of the ions due to their speed as well as the hoop pressure and excitement of the compression coil containment, etc. seems to be enough to initiate the birth of gremlins and collapse the ions. I guess if you add all of these charges up and multiple by the number of ions in that focal point and you might get to the magic 1 TeV +/- predicted at the CERN LHC. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: John Rohner uses magnetic confinement to keep the noble gas located axially at the center of the cylinder. This might keep the gases away from the edge of the piston. What this might mean is that the gas is well contained while the engine is running. The coil provides a cylinder within the cylinder. But while the engine is off, the gas may find a path around the rings and may need a recharge. This means that the engine must run continually. Rohner does not seem to be much concerned about the rings. He said he will replace the two ring system with a single ring in the final product. Cheers: Axil On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Michael Foster mf...@yahoo.com wrote: I really want to believe these guys are for real in their revival of the Papp engine. If it works, it's certainly more compelling than getting heat from LENR. One thing bothers me in watching the video of the engine assembly. The piston rings are rubber O-rings. There's no way in hell that the helium in the noble gas mixture will stay in the cylinder for an appreciable length of time. Helium is notoriously fugitive and will escape from virtuall any container not made of solid glass or metal. O-rings just aren't going to work in their engine unless the noble gas mixture can be replenished frequently. -q On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:18 AM PDT Chemical Engineer wrote: At 2:30 of this video they mention aligning the holes shown machined on the outside of each cylinder to the top for access to the coils for wiring, etc. I believe they mount a circuit board for each cylinder atop/near each hole to access the coils to supply control power. They do not show the coils inside and i am not sure how they seal it all up. Another video shows the compression coil directly around the target spot of the plugs. A containment coil is supposedly around the rest of the piston. ProdEngAssemble.avi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqFgM8osjLEfeature=youtube_gdata_player Sent from my iPad
Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi
You’re hoped for gremlins have not been seen in CERN’s LHC, any problem with the gremlin theory is they do not exist? Cheers:Axil On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote: Axil, I believe you are correct. My understanding is that there are two coils in each cylinder, one for compression and one for containment. I believe the compression coil is located exactly around the focal point of the spark plug electrodes so that it concentrates ions at the focal point for blasting with 160 kV per cycle from the four plugs. That blast, along with the ionization charge already carried by the ions as well as kinetic energy of the ions due to their speed as well as the hoop pressure and excitement of the compression coil containment, etc. seems to be enough to initiate the birth of gremlins and collapse the ions. I guess if you add all of these charges up and multiple by the number of ions in that focal point and you might get to the magic 1 TeV +/- predicted at the CERN LHC. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: John Rohner uses magnetic confinement to keep the noble gas located axially at the center of the cylinder. This might keep the gases away from the edge of the piston. What this might mean is that the gas is well contained while the engine is running. The coil provides a cylinder within the cylinder. But while the engine is off, the gas may find a path around the rings and may need a recharge. This means that the engine must run continually. Rohner does not seem to be much concerned about the rings. He said he will replace the two ring system with a single ring in the final product. Cheers: Axil On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Michael Foster mf...@yahoo.com wrote: I really want to believe these guys are for real in their revival of the Papp engine. If it works, it's certainly more compelling than getting heat from LENR. One thing bothers me in watching the video of the engine assembly. The piston rings are rubber O-rings. There's no way in hell that the helium in the noble gas mixture will stay in the cylinder for an appreciable length of time. Helium is notoriously fugitive and will escape from virtuall any container not made of solid glass or metal. O-rings just aren't going to work in their engine unless the noble gas mixture can be replenished frequently. -q On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:18 AM PDT Chemical Engineer wrote: At 2:30 of this video they mention aligning the holes shown machined on the outside of each cylinder to the top for access to the coils for wiring, etc. I believe they mount a circuit board for each cylinder atop/near each hole to access the coils to supply control power. They do not show the coils inside and i am not sure how they seal it all up. Another video shows the compression coil directly around the target spot of the plugs. A containment coil is supposedly around the rest of the piston. ProdEngAssemble.avi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqFgM8osjLEfeature=youtube_gdata_player Sent from my iPad
Re: [Vo]:The Magic of Xenon
hmmm xenon --- xenomorph could there be connection with Chemical Engineer's gremlin? http://user.xmission.com/~vancea/Xenomorph.htm ;-) harry On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The Magic of Xenon The study of Xenon is a large field of physics and chemistry in its own right. Xenon is a uncommon element in the way it behaves. Xenon will convert nuclear radiation into charged electrons which makes xenon pass a current as low as one volt as a conductive thermionic diode in nuclear reactors. In plain language, Xenon converts gamma radiation into electrons. Xenon is easily ionized and can develop very large positive charge. In this behavior, Xenon and Cesium work is similar ways. This puts Xenon into the running as a “secret sauce” as far as I am concerned. Xenon also forms clusters when it is cooled. But this cooling that we are talking about here is the removal or transition of kinetic energy that the Xenon atom possesses. This cooling can be done through the transfer of translational, rotational and vibrational energy to another atom. Krypton atoms serve this function as a cooling agent. In addition, when Xenon is forced to move in a coherent direction in a group, translational, rotational and vibrational energy is converted to directional energy and the Xenon atoms are cooled but still energetic. Typical set-up for cooling noble gases is the supersonic beam technique. On the left is a reservoir at ambient temperature and pressure which is connected to a vacuum chamber on the right through a nozzle hole. The gases expand into the chamber through this hole and during this expansion all the random kinetic energy (translational, rotational and vibrational) gets converted to directional energy. A skimmer and collimator may be added to reduce the divergence at larger distances from the nozzle. Such cooling can be done using radio frequency with the ionized Xenon atoms are forced to move back and forth is unison. Any kinetic energy that the Xenon atoms have are converted to directional energy. So in plain language, Radio frequency will catalyze the formation of Xenon clusters as the atoms of Xenon are cooled by coherent motion. Cheers: Axil
Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation
NI guy = Brian Glass, Applications Engineering. Many thanks to him. As you see, nominal excess power is 12 to 14 W. Most perturbations are probably caused by changes in ambient temperature this morning when the air conditioning came on. Ambient at present 29.4 deg C. Surface temperature of device is difficult to measure with the IR sensor. I think it is 220 to 240 deg C. They use: A TC at the core A surface mounted TC on tube outer surface Ambient TC The calibration constant is established by turning on the active wire initially and measuring the temperature when it reaches a stable state. In other words, by assuming there is no excess heat at first. The line is very stable and flat so this is a reasonable assumption. Yesterday there were several hours with no excess heat, until they cycled the wire on and off for a while, probably to clean it. They also calibrate with Ar gas for several hours. They do not want to do that too long because the Ar may eventually damage the wire. The second wire is for indirect heating during calibration and also during the active run. Not sure what that means. This configuration has not been run in their flow calorimeter because it only works at high temperature and that flow calorimeter does not allow high temperatures. So this has only been detected with thermometry and an Ar calibration. But the effect is quite large and I doubt there is a problem. Even arch-skeptic David Kidwell agrees with me on that. The active constantan wire is ~1.1 m long. It is very thin. The total mass is small, so the power density per cubic centimeter is high. I suppose it is in the same range as Rossi. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Celani ICCF17 Presentation
Jed, Based upon Celani's paper at the following step: After adding a H2/Ar mixture (75/25 ratio) at 7 bar of total pressure, and using as monitor parameter the resistance of both the active and inert wires, it was given power (48W) to the inert wire. It was found that when the temperature inside the reactor was larger than 125°C, the resistance ratio of active wire, after a very limited increase (to 1.02), dropped to 0.92 in 2500s. Later on, in about 10 sec, the R/Ro decreased to 0.88. We observed a correlated increase of the “anomalous excess heat” (although quite unstable) with the R/Ro decreasing. The temperature inside cell was about 180°C. I believe this is the point above at which some of the H+ matter in the voids collapses due to the concentrated charges arcing across the voids, the hoop effect of the void compression, the ionic and kinetic energies all aiding in its collapse. After that the first effect would be the collapsed matter immediately trying to reach a new state of thermal equilibrium within its new environment and releasing low level radiation reduced in energy due to its quantum gravity effects. Sort of like when a new baby is born and immediately starts crying until he becomes comfortable in his new surroundings. This new gremlin should at some point settle back down to thermal equilibrium after it has disrupted all of its neighbors in the lattice and possibly transmuted a few and belched some quantum goo. From this point on the singularity has now become a chameleon and should remain stable in the lattice (even on a plane ride to Austin) until he is once again excited. I am surprised pressure changes on the airplane did not flush a few out. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: From Jed. T -- Forwarded message -- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:45 PM Subject: Re: Celani ICCF17 Presentation To: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Paper is here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/CelaniFcunimnallo.pdf - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation
Thin like what? For any wire I can think of, I think for its volume it should yield a much higher density than Rossi's. 2012/8/14 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com The active constantan wire is ~1.1 m long. It is very thin. The total mass is small, so the power density per cubic centimeter is high. I suppose it is in the same range as Rossi. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation
On 2012-08-15 02:47, Terry Blanton wrote: This image: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8mt4mJOTGvBUkl3SGNkcmQxTTg shows the effect from the air conditioner since the demonstration unit is not insulated. This picture shows about 20.5 hours of cell activity. Nice. Is the reactor still going on? When does Celani plan to switch it off? Any information about the excess power spike at around the first hour of activity? Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Thin like what? Thin like within an order of magnitude of eng. Rossi. This is Ni-H at high temperature, high power density, at a National Lab, with a detailed description of the material preparation. What's not to like? - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation
On 2012-08-15 03:14, Daniel Rocha wrote: Thin like what? For any wire I can think of, I think for its volume it should yield a much higher density than Rossi's. It should be 0.2 mm thin. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi
Up until now they have spent $9B looking for the Higgs Boson... I referenced in my summary the 2012 studies below which estimated they should show up around 1 TeV, depending upon how strong you think quantum gravity is and how many dimensions of spacetime and the effect of gravitons. How strong do you think it is? http://arxiv.org/abs/1201.3208 http://arxiv.org/abs/1203.4683 I don't believe they have found any rydberg matter yet either but I may be wrong about that... On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: You’re hoped for gremlins have not been seen in CERN’s LHC, any problem with the gremlin theory is they do not exist? Cheers:Axil On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote: Axil, I believe you are correct. My understanding is that there are two coils in each cylinder, one for compression and one for containment. I believe the compression coil is located exactly around the focal point of the spark plug electrodes so that it concentrates ions at the focal point for blasting with 160 kV per cycle from the four plugs. That blast, along with the ionization charge already carried by the ions as well as kinetic energy of the ions due to their speed as well as the hoop pressure and excitement of the compression coil containment, etc. seems to be enough to initiate the birth of gremlins and collapse the ions. I guess if you add all of these charges up and multiple by the number of ions in that focal point and you might get to the magic 1 TeV +/- predicted at the CERN LHC. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: John Rohner uses magnetic confinement to keep the noble gas located axially at the center of the cylinder. This might keep the gases away from the edge of the piston. What this might mean is that the gas is well contained while the engine is running. The coil provides a cylinder within the cylinder. But while the engine is off, the gas may find a path around the rings and may need a recharge. This means that the engine must run continually. Rohner does not seem to be much concerned about the rings. He said he will replace the two ring system with a single ring in the final product. Cheers: Axil On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Michael Foster mf...@yahoo.com wrote: I really want to believe these guys are for real in their revival of the Papp engine. If it works, it's certainly more compelling than getting heat from LENR. One thing bothers me in watching the video of the engine assembly. The piston rings are rubber O-rings. There's no way in hell that the helium in the noble gas mixture will stay in the cylinder for an appreciable length of time. Helium is notoriously fugitive and will escape from virtuall any container not made of solid glass or metal. O-rings just aren't going to work in their engine unless the noble gas mixture can be replenished frequently. -q On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:18 AM PDT Chemical Engineer wrote: At 2:30 of this video they mention aligning the holes shown machined on the outside of each cylinder to the top for access to the coils for wiring, etc. I believe they mount a circuit board for each cylinder atop/near each hole to access the coils to supply control power. They do not show the coils inside and i am not sure how they seal it all up. Another video shows the compression coil directly around the target spot of the plugs. A containment coil is supposedly around the rest of the piston. ProdEngAssemble.avi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqFgM8osjLEfeature=youtube_gdata_player Sent from my iPad
Re: [Vo]:the Coil
On 15 August 2012 02:24, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I think in the Papp you are trading Helium ions for energy at the rate of e=mc2. Not a bad trade, i just hope the cost of balloons does not go up. We can make additional helium using cold fusion, so no worries with with future parties. –Jouni
Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: This picture shows about 20.5 hours of cell activity. Nice. Is the reactor still going on? Yes. When does Celani plan to switch it off? Friday, I think. Any information about the excess power spike at around the first hour of activity? The power was cut off accidentally. I think someone tripped over the extension cord. It is now taped to the floor. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: A more sensible solution is that was NO faint young sun to begin with. I was waiting for someone to suggest this possibility. The same flawed model of solar mechanics that gives us the solar neutrino problem also gives us the faint young sun problem. They invented a straw man that never was much more than fiction, and now that they are trying to keep it in play with an even more insane rationalization. I am not sure how Mill's hydrino would resolve the faint young sun paradox. Are you saying the corona is a significant source of radiant energy which is overlooked in coventional solar models, such that the Earth would freeze over without the Sun's corona ? harry
Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation
That's 14W/(PI*(0.3)^2)*1)~14W/(0.3mm^3)~45KW/cm^3. DAMN! 2012/8/14 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com On 2012-08-15 03:14, Daniel Rocha wrote: Thin like what? For any wire I can think of, I think for its volume it should yield a much higher density than Rossi's. It should be 0.2 mm thin. Cheers, S.A. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Celani ICCF17 Presentation
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised pressure changes on the airplane did not flush a few out. It was recharged with fresh gas at a KAIST laboratory before being brought to the convention center. There is no gas canister here. It is sealed, but leaking gradually. The gas pressure graph is shown on the bottom right. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Celani ICCF17 Presentation
OK, thanks On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised pressure changes on the airplane did not flush a few out. It was recharged with fresh gas at a KAIST laboratory before being brought to the convention center. There is no gas canister here. It is sealed, but leaking gradually. The gas pressure graph is shown on the bottom right. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation
On 2012-08-15 03:21, Jed Rothwell wrote: When does Celani plan to switch it off? Friday, I think. Very nice, I'm looking forward to seeing the final charts. By the way, what is the general reaction to Celani's demo? Personally I have been very positively impressed so far, the presentation is quite good too (excluding English errors). This is one of the best things happened in the LENR field in at least the past 18 months, in my opinion. The power was cut off accidentally. I think someone tripped over the extension cord. It is now taped to the floor. Ok, I see. I hope it will be enough. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation
Wire diameter 0.2mm, 1000mm long gives 0.031cm³, or about 500W/cm³, you were off by a factor of about 1000. It is likely that not the whole thickness is active, and this is only early days in development, not even running at high temperature yet. On 15 August 2012 02:23, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: That's 14W/(PI*(0.3)^2)*1)~14W/(0.3mm^3)~45KW/cm^3. DAMN!
Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation
Argh, I meant a factor of 100 (never a good look to cock up your own arithmetic when correcting someone) On 15 August 2012 02:32, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Wire diameter 0.2mm, 1000mm long gives 0.031cm³, or about 500W/cm³, you were off by a factor of about 1000. It is likely that not the whole thickness is active, and this is only early days in development, not even running at high temperature yet. On 15 August 2012 02:23, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: That's 14W/(PI*(0.3)^2)*1)~14W/(0.3mm^3)~45KW/cm^3. DAMN!
Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Celani ICCF17 Presentation
I wonder if they got the Rohner brothers to recharge it?:) On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote: OK, thanks On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised pressure changes on the airplane did not flush a few out. It was recharged with fresh gas at a KAIST laboratory before being brought to the convention center. There is no gas canister here. It is sealed, but leaking gradually. The gas pressure graph is shown on the bottom right. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation
On 2012-08-15 02:47, Terry Blanton wrote: This image: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8mt4mJOTGvBUkl3SGNkcmQxTTg shows the effect from the air conditioner since the demonstration unit is not insulated. I just noticed that the pressure, resistance and temperature charts do not start from the beginning, but are only plotting the previous 3 hours or so. Cheers, S.A.
RE: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox
Harry, I have not followed Mills' cosmological arguments for years and they may have changed. IIRC he thinks 100% of the UV and EUV (which is the main emission spectrum for f/H) and something like 40% of the net thermal energy received on earth comes from the Corona. That instantly solves the neutrino problem elegantly. There was in fact no faint young Sun so the only adjustment there, needed to the correct the old model is that the ratio of thermal output from Corona-to-Core may have varied. Therefore, if Mills is correct, then the answer to your question is yes - without this additional energy from the Corona, we would freeze over. It is possible that the ash from deep shrinkage (Deep Dirac Level ??) is synonymous with dark matter as Terry pointed out the other day. In which case, every Sun probably has a Corona which is continually producing dark matter over time. -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder Jones Beene wrote: A more sensible solution is that was NO faint young sun to begin with. I was waiting for someone to suggest this possibility. The same flawed model of solar mechanics that gives us the solar neutrino problem also gives us the faint young sun problem. They invented a straw man that never was much more than fiction, and now they are trying to keep it in play with an even more insane rationalization. I am not sure how Mill's hydrino would resolve the faint young sun paradox. Are you saying the corona is a significant source of radiant energy which is overlooked in coventional solar models, such that the Earth would freeze over without the Sun's corona ? harry
Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox
Just a bunch of collapsed microsingularities emitting hawking radiation around the sun collapsed due to the intense gravity and flux. The smaller they are the hotter they get. The smallest might get up to... 5.6×1032 K vs a monster black hole in the emptiest part of space which is somewhat cooler ~ 3 K I think since it is attempting to be in equilibrium with cosmic background radiation On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Harry, I have not followed Mills' cosmological arguments for years and they may have changed. IIRC he thinks 100% of the UV and EUV (which is the main emission spectrum for f/H) and something like 40% of the net thermal energy received on earth comes from the Corona. That instantly solves the neutrino problem elegantly. There was in fact no faint young Sun so the only adjustment there, needed to the correct the old model is that the ratio of thermal output from Corona-to-Core may have varied. Therefore, if Mills is correct, then the answer to your question is yes - without this additional energy from the Corona, we would freeze over. It is possible that the ash from deep shrinkage (Deep Dirac Level ??) is synonymous with dark matter as Terry pointed out the other day. In which case, every Sun probably has a Corona which is continually producing dark matter over time. -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder Jones Beene wrote: A more sensible solution is that was NO faint young sun to begin with. I was waiting for someone to suggest this possibility. The same flawed model of solar mechanics that gives us the solar neutrino problem also gives us the faint young sun problem. They invented a straw man that never was much more than fiction, and now they are trying to keep it in play with an even more insane rationalization. I am not sure how Mill's hydrino would resolve the faint young sun paradox. Are you saying the corona is a significant source of radiant energy which is overlooked in coventional solar models, such that the Earth would freeze over without the Sun's corona ? harry
[Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation
Jed just informed me that it's okay to open this one: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SOA7Z4aIGnT_HrshnzNF6vTsgj4PULTBceDyUINIZG8/edit My wife kept me up long enough talking about LENR that we got the okay from Frank. She's never been this excited about my hobby. :-) T
RE: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation
Whoa. 130 bar light water electrolysis instead of gas phase! -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Jed just informed me that it's okay to open this one: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SOA7Z4aIGnT_HrshnzNF6vTsgj4PULTBceDy UINIZG8/edit My wife kept me up long enough talking about LENR that we got the okay from Frank. She's never been this excited about my hobby. :-) T
Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation
I think that is their wet boiler? On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Whoa. 130 bar light water electrolysis instead of gas phase! -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Jed just informed me that it's okay to open this one: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SOA7Z4aIGnT_HrshnzNF6vTsgj4PULTBceDy UINIZG8/edit My wife kept me up long enough talking about LENR that we got the okay from Frank. She's never been this excited about my hobby. :-) T
[Vo]:Grand Unification Theory of Cold Fusion
I know you guys are sick of hearing about it, but here is a link to revision 4 of my theory, with a list of recent observations and how this theory explains them. http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 Basically the Ghostbusters had it right, if you cross the streams and generate enough charge you may vaporize gremlins and they will spit quantum goo. Enjoy.
