Re: IMAC PASSWORD

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Julie,

I’m amazed that you don’t use a Password on your Administrator Account on your 
Work iMac? 
Anyone gets hold of your iMac they can access everything on your computer...

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 17 Jun 2019, at 10:59 pm, Julie Bedford  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I sussed it, simply by shutting down and re-starting.  I’m gobsmacked that 
> Mojave has retained all my bookmarks, mail and all folders/documents as they 
> were in El Capitan.  I’m hoping that saying all is good and working how it 
> should ?
> 
> Cheers
> Jewels
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2019, at 9:54 PM, Julie Bedford  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Hope someone can help me.  I was using El Capitan on my work Imac.  When a 
>> friend set this up for me he left the Password blank, so when I logged on,  
>> I would just leave it blank and hit on the Owl to open.  Today I upgraded 
>> the O/S to Mojave and it will not accept a blank password.  Any suggestions 
>> on what I can do please.
>> 
>> In desperation
>> Jewels
>> 
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Re: IMAC PASSWORD

[Julie Bedford]

Hi All,

I sussed it, simply by shutting down and re-starting.  I’m gobsmacked that 
Mojave has retained all my bookmarks, mail and all folders/documents as they 
were in El Capitan.  I’m hoping that saying all is good and working how it 
should ?

Cheers
Jewels

> On 17 Jun 2019, at 9:54 PM, Julie Bedford  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Hope someone can help me.  I was using El Capitan on my work Imac.  When a 
> friend set this up for me he left the Password blank, so when I logged on,  I 
> would just leave it blank and hit on the Owl to open.  Today I upgraded the 
> O/S to Mojave and it will not accept a blank password.  Any suggestions on 
> what I can do please.
> 
> In desperation
> Jewels
> 

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Re: Photos

[Rod Blitvich]

"AirDrop can be a be a quick, simple way to transfer files between iOS devices. 
It can be especially handy because it is truly a device-to-device transfer that 
works even when neither device has internet access, although Wi-Fi and 
Bluetooth have to be turned on for it to function."



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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
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> On 2 Jun 2019, at 1:35 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> You should have AirDrop on iPad 4
> 
> AirDrop between Mac and iPhone or iPad:
> 
> Mac from 2012 or later (excluding the mid-2012 Mac Pro) using OS X Yosemite 
> or later 
> iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch using iOS 7 or later.
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPhone 7 Plus
> 
> On 2 Jun 2019, at 10:25 am, Juliet Kitson  > wrote:
> 
>> I just checked we have an iPad 4
>> 
>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 12:14 PM Juliet Kitson > > wrote:
>> I guess my iPad is too old to have airdrop I think it is gen 2
>> 
>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 12:12 PM Tim Law > > wrote:
>> I use iCloud to share my photos across all devices. 
>> 
>> You’ll find the settings in your iOS device, iPad under Settings
>> 
>> Click on the very top panel which opens your settings for your AppleID
>> 
>> Then click iCloud which will show you all the settings for your apps that 
>> can be synced using iCloud
>> 
>> Then toggle Photos. 
>> 
>> It might then tell you things and give you option. Do what you feel is 
>> sensible
>> 
>> On my main computer I tick, keep full size images here
>> 
>> On my devices, that is NOT ticked to save space. 
>> 
>> Let everything sync. Be patient. It will take a while. 
>> 
>> You probably need to do the same on your main computer 
>> 
>> I may have accidentally missed some steps, this is just from my memory. It’s 
>> good to be able to be able figure things out yourself. 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> Sent from Tim's iPhone
>> 
>> On 2 Jun 2019, at 9:14 am, Juliet Kitson > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Ronni,
>>> my iPad doesn't appear to have Airdrop. How do I get it?
>>> Cheers Juliet
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 10:03 AM Ronni Brown >> > wrote:
>>> Hi Juliet,
>>> 
>>> If you have a Mac that supports AirDrop , 
>>> you can wirelessly transfer batches of photos and videos from your Mac to 
>>> your iPhone or iPad.
>>> 
>>> 1. Select the photos or video you'd like to transfer in the Finder window.
>>> 2. In a new Finder window or tab, click AirDrop from the side menu.
>>> 3. Make sure your iPhone or iPad is unlocked and awake.
>>> 4. Confirm that your iPhone has AirDrop receiving set to on and Everyone.
>>> 5. Drag your selected files to the iPhone or iPad option in AirDrop on your 
>>> Mac.
>>> 6. Depending on whether you're transferring to a device with the same Apple 
>>> ID or not, you may need to tap Accept on your iPhone or iPad.
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2 Jun 2019, at 7:30 am, Juliet Kitson >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hello All,
 How do I export photos from Mac to iPad?
 Cheers Juliet
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Re: MacBook Pro with Wifi signal but no Internet

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

It is always best to use the developers ‘Uninstall’ application that is in the 
NetNanny folder & other similar software.
And again always Reboot your computer after uninstalling the software.

Kind Regards,
Ronni

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> On 5 Jun 2019, at 10:32 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel, yes indeed it was the Intego thing. As soon as I read this it 
> reminded me of the NetNanny program I used a long time ago. I thought I had 
> done a full uninstal when I decided to no longer use it but still the kernel 
> file remained. 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> "WAMUG" 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Wed, 5 Jun 2019 09:37:11 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: MacBook Pro with Wifi signal but no Internet
> 
> 
> Hi Peter
> 
> Yes, the devil is in the detail,…lol. Glad you got it all working. I’ve had a 
> similar job to that one as well. (The culprit was s similar thing by Intego). 
> Same error message and similar fix for it.
> It’s due to the part of that software not being fully optimised for the 
> System. (So the two don’t play well together.)
> 
> Glad you saw the full error message in the end. And all is working.
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone XS 
> 
> ---
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> MacWizardry
> 
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> 
> > On 4 Jun 2019, at 9:05 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks Daniel and Ronni for further tips. Well, short story I have fixed 
> > this issue from the most unexpected thing. There was a kernel file relating 
> > to NetNanny which was a third party security program not been used for many 
> > many years. I had in my fury omitted to look clearly at the message Safari 
> > was giving me each time it failed. All l saw was “Not f. working”! But 
> > tonight after a bit of calming I took a closer look. The message provided 
> > by Safari indicated this error code. “NSPOSIXErrorDomain:1”. When I googled 
> > this I got the third party security program issue and so I went hunting for 
> > stuff - it provided some locations to go looking. I found one solitary file 
> > “NetNanny Kernel Ext”. I trashed it and after a restart, bingo! Amazing. I 
> > would never have though that something that has been lurking there for 
> > years and not a problem since then and coinciding with an OSX update this 
> > all of a sudden became a problem. 
> > 
> > Lesson for me is to look at the error code next time!
> > 
> > I hope this can help others in some small way.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > 
> > Pete
> > 
> > On 4 Jun 2019, at 7:46 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi Peter,
> >> 
> >> Have you run Wireless Diagnostics on Jo’s MBP?
> >> 
> >> Your Mac can use Wireless Diagnostics to perform additional analysis. 
> >> • Quit any apps that are open, and connect to your Wi-Fi network, if 
> >> possible.
> >> • Hold down the Option key and choose Open Wireless Diagnostics from the 
> >> Wi-Fi status menu .
> >> • Enter your administrator name and password when prompted.
> >> Wireless Diagnostics begins analyzing your wireless environment:
> >> 
> >> Kind Regards,
> >> 
> >> Ronni
> >> 
> >>> On 4 Jun 2019, at 8:13 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi Ronni, thanks for that one. I had omitted to mention in my list of 
> >>> things that I had tried that I saw an online tip to try this one. So I 
> >>> did already try it and sadly it didn't resolve the issue. It does seem 
> >>> after some of these tests that it pauses momentarily (I am using Safari 
> >>> and select Google web page to put to the test) before getting the "no 
> >>> internet connection:" message. 
> >>> 
> >>> Will have a calm look at it again tonight, sometimes I feel that in 
> >>> trying some of these items, it is the order in which they are tried seems 
> >>> to ma

Re: MacBook Pro with Wifi signal but no Internet

[petercrisp]

Hi Daniel, yes indeed it was the Intego thing. As soon as I read this
it reminded me of the NetNanny program I used a long time ago. I
thought I had done a full uninstal when I decided to no longer use it
but still the kernel file remained. 
Regards
Pete.

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:"WAMUG" 
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 5 Jun 2019 09:37:11 +0800
Subject:Re: MacBook Pro with Wifi signal but no Internet

 Hi Peter

 Yes, the devil is in the detail,…lol. Glad you got it all working.
I’ve had a similar job to that one as well. (The culprit was s
similar thing by Intego). Same error message and similar fix for it.
 It’s due to the part of that software not being fully optimised for
the System. (So the two don’t play well together.)

 Glad you saw the full error message in the end. And all is working.
 Kind regards
 Daniel

  Sent from my iPhone XS 

 ---
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 Phone: 0414 795 960
 Email: 
 Web: 

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 > On 4 Jun 2019, at 9:05 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
 > 
 > Thanks Daniel and Ronni for further tips. Well, short story I have
fixed this issue from the most unexpected thing. There was a kernel
file relating to NetNanny which was a third party security program not
been used for many many years. I had in my fury omitted to look
clearly at the message Safari was giving me each time it failed. All l
saw was “Not f. working”! But tonight after a bit of calming I
took a closer look. The message provided by Safari indicated this
error code. “NSPOSIXErrorDomain:1”. When I googled this I got the
third party security program issue and so I went hunting for stuff -
it provided some locations to go looking. I found one solitary file
“NetNanny Kernel Ext”. I trashed it and after a restart, bingo!
Amazing. I would never have though that something that has been
lurking there for years and not a problem since then and coinciding
with an OSX update this all of a sudden became a problem. 
 > 
 > Lesson for me is to look at the error code next time!
 > 
 > I hope this can help others in some small way.
 > 
 > Regards
 > 
 > 
 > Pete
 > 
 > On 4 Jun 2019, at 7:46 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
 > 
 >> Hi Peter,
 >> 
 >> Have you run Wireless Diagnostics on Jo’s MBP?
 >> 
 >> Your Mac can use Wireless Diagnostics to perform additional
analysis. 
 >> • Quit any apps that are open, and connect to your Wi-Fi
network, if possible.
 >> • Hold down the Option key and choose Open Wireless Diagnostics
from the Wi-Fi status menu .
 >> • Enter your administrator name and password when prompted.
 >> Wireless Diagnostics begins analyzing your wireless environment:
 >> 
 >> Kind Regards,
 >> 
 >> Ronni
 >> 
 >>> On 4 Jun 2019, at 8:13 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 >>> 
 >>> Hi Ronni, thanks for that one. I had omitted to mention in my
list of things that I had tried that I saw an online tip to try this
one. So I did already try it and sadly it didn't resolve the issue. It
does seem after some of these tests that it pauses momentarily (I am
using Safari and select Google web page to put to the test) before
getting the "no internet connection:" message. 
 >>> 
 >>> Will have a calm look at it again tonight, sometimes I feel that
in trying some of these items, it is the order in which they are tried
seems to make a difference, although i am unclear on which order is
the right order, the order from my side seems to be random.
 >>> 
 >>> Regards
 >>> 
 >>> Pete.
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> - Original Message -
 >>> From:
 >>> wamug@wamug.org.au
 >>> 
 >>> To:
 >>> 
 >>> Cc:
 >>> 
 >>> Sent:
 >>> Tue, 4 Jun 2019 06:41:45 +0800
 >>> Subject:
 >>> Re: MacBook Pro with Wifi signal but no Internet
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> Hi Peter,
 >>> 
 >>> On Your wife’s MBP try:
 >>> Edit her Locations in Network Preferences. 
 >>> In Edit Locations, from the drop-down click the “+” to create
a new Location, name it “Automatic” (any name will do)...
 >>> The new location will setup new a new default WiFi (and Ethernet
and FireWire) and hopefully will connect to the Internet immediately.
 >>> 
 >>> Kind Regards,
 >>> Ronni
 >>> 
 >>>  

Re: MacBook Pro with Wifi signal but no Internet

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Peter

Yes, the devil is in the detail,…lol. Glad you got it all working. I’ve had a 
similar job to that one as well. (The culprit was s similar thing by Intego). 
Same error message and similar fix for it.
It’s due to the part of that software not being fully optimised for the System. 
(So the two don’t play well together.)

Glad you saw the full error message in the end. And all is working.
Kind regards
Daniel

 Sent from my iPhone XS 

---
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MacWizardry

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Email: 
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> On 4 Jun 2019, at 9:05 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Daniel and Ronni for further tips. Well, short story I have fixed this 
> issue from the most unexpected thing. There was a kernel file relating to 
> NetNanny which was a third party security program not been used for many many 
> years. I had in my fury omitted to look clearly at the message Safari was 
> giving me each time it failed. All l saw was “Not f. working”! But 
> tonight after a bit of calming I took a closer look. The message provided by 
> Safari indicated this error code. “NSPOSIXErrorDomain:1”. When I googled this 
> I got the third party security program issue and so I went hunting for stuff 
> - it provided some locations to go looking. I found one solitary file 
> “NetNanny Kernel Ext”. I trashed it and after a restart, bingo! Amazing. I 
> would never have though that something that has been lurking there for years 
> and not a problem since then and coinciding with an OSX update this all of a 
> sudden became a problem. 
> 
> Lesson for me is to look at the error code next time!
> 
> I hope this can help others in some small way.
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Pete
> 
> On 4 Jun 2019, at 7:46 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Have you run Wireless Diagnostics on Jo’s MBP?
>> 
>> Your Mac can use Wireless Diagnostics to perform additional analysis. 
>>  • Quit any apps that are open, and connect to your Wi-Fi network, if 
>> possible.
>>  • Hold down the Option key and choose Open Wireless Diagnostics from 
>> the Wi-Fi status menu .
>>  • Enter your administrator name and password when prompted.
>> Wireless Diagnostics begins analyzing your wireless environment:
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> Ronni
>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2019, at 8:13 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni, thanks for that one. I had omitted to mention in my list of 
>>> things that I had tried that I saw an online tip to try this one. So I did 
>>> already try it and sadly it didn't resolve the issue. It does seem after 
>>> some of these tests that it pauses momentarily (I am using Safari and 
>>> select Google web page to put to the test) before getting the "no internet 
>>> connection:" message.  
>>> 
>>> Will have a calm look at it again tonight, sometimes I feel that in trying 
>>> some of these items, it is the order in which they are tried seems to make 
>>> a difference, although i am unclear on which order is the right order, the 
>>> order from my side seems to be random.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Pete.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From:
>>> wamug@wamug.org.au
>>> 
>>> To:
>>> 
>>> Cc:
>>> 
>>> Sent:
>>> Tue, 4 Jun 2019 06:41:45 +0800
>>> Subject:
>>> Re: MacBook Pro with Wifi signal but no Internet
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> On Your wife’s MBP try:
>>> Edit her Locations in Network Preferences. 
>>> In Edit Locations, from the drop-down click the “+” to create a new 
>>> Location, name it “Automatic” (any name will do)...
>>> The new location will setup new a new default WiFi (and Ethernet and 
>>> FireWire) and hopefully will connect to the Internet immediately.
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 3 Jun 2019, at 9:19 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi folks, I have had the issue as noted in the subj

Re: MacBook Pro with Wifi signal but no Internet

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks Daniel and Ronni for further tips. Well, short story I have fixed this 
issue from the most unexpected thing. There was a kernel file relating to 
NetNanny which was a third party security program not been used for many many 
years. I had in my fury omitted to look clearly at the message Safari was 
giving me each time it failed. All l saw was “Not f. working”! But tonight 
after a bit of calming I took a closer look. The message provided by Safari 
indicated this error code. “NSPOSIXErrorDomain:1”. When I googled this I got 
the third party security program issue and so I went hunting for stuff - it 
provided some locations to go looking. I found one solitary file “NetNanny 
Kernel Ext”. I trashed it and after a restart, bingo! Amazing. I would never 
have though that something that has been lurking there for years and not a 
problem since then and coinciding with an OSX update this all of a sudden 
became a problem. 

Lesson for me is to look at the error code next time!

I hope this can help others in some small way.

Regards


Pete

> On 4 Jun 2019, at 7:46 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Have you run Wireless Diagnostics on Jo’s MBP?
> 
> Your Mac can use Wireless Diagnostics to perform additional analysis. 
>   • Quit any apps that are open, and connect to your Wi-Fi network, if 
> possible.
>   • Hold down the Option key and choose Open Wireless Diagnostics from 
> the Wi-Fi status menu .
>   • Enter your administrator name and password when prompted.
> Wireless Diagnostics begins analyzing your wireless environment:
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Ronni
> 
>> On 4 Jun 2019, at 8:13 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ronni, thanks for that one. I had omitted to mention in my list of things 
>> that I had tried that I saw an online tip to try this one. So I did already 
>> try it and sadly it didn't resolve the issue. It does seem after some of 
>> these tests that it pauses momentarily (I am using Safari and select Google 
>> web page to put to the test) before getting the "no internet connection:" 
>> message.  
>> 
>> Will have a calm look at it again tonight, sometimes I feel that in trying 
>> some of these items, it is the order in which they are tried seems to make a 
>> difference, although i am unclear on which order is the right order, the 
>> order from my side seems to be random.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From:
>> wamug@wamug.org.au
>> 
>> To:
>> 
>> Cc:
>> 
>> Sent:
>> Tue, 4 Jun 2019 06:41:45 +0800
>> Subject:
>> Re: MacBook Pro with Wifi signal but no Internet
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> On Your wife’s MBP try:
>> Edit her Locations in Network Preferences. 
>> In Edit Locations, from the drop-down click the “+” to create a new 
>> Location, name it “Automatic” (any name will do)...
>> The new location will setup new a new default WiFi (and Ethernet and 
>> FireWire) and hopefully will connect to the Internet immediately.
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>> > On 3 Jun 2019, at 9:19 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi folks, I have had the issue as noted in the subject line before many 
>> > many times and I have been able to resolve albeit with many different 
>> > methods. 
>> > 
>> > My wife’s MBP 2011 has developed this problem, not surprisingly coincident 
>> > with the OSX update to 10.14.5. 
>> > 
>> > It all started when Jo said she had no sound from the MBA speakers. I did 
>> > the usual settings review and then did a reboot. This resolved the sound 
>> > issue. I can’t recall if this coincided with the update of the OSX too but 
>> > the sound is fixed. But we have no Internet service now. Things I have 
>> > done here:
>> > 
>> > PRAM reset
>> > SMC Reset
>> > Reboot
>> > PRAM reset
>> > SMC Reset
>> > Network reset 
>> > Forget Wifi connection and re-establish
>> > Clear DNS settings, Try the Google 8.8.8.8, try others, back to 10.1.1.1
>> > Renew DHCP licence
>> > Try to connect via a iPhone hotspot (which is accessing internet fine)
>> > 
>> > Is this a 10.14.5 issue? I can’t get to the internet with this MBP to do 
>> > anything about it. 
>> > 
>> > Any clues folks?
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Regards
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Pete
>> > -- The WA Macintosh Us

Re: MacBook Pro with Wifi signal but no Internet

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Peter

Also, have you tried restarting the internet/modem/router, just to refresh all 
DNS numbers. Sometimes they can get “locked”, so restarting the modem can 
refresh all of that.
Worth a try as well.

There are also some wireless settings that can be removed from Library - 
Preferences - SystemConfiguration. (Main Library, not the User Library).
But I’d try the modem restart first.

Kind regards
Daniel

 Sent from my iPhone XS 

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be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be 
requested.

> On 4 Jun 2019, at 7:46 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Have you run Wireless Diagnostics on Jo’s MBP?
> 
> Your Mac can use Wireless Diagnostics to perform additional analysis. 
>   • Quit any apps that are open, and connect to your Wi-Fi network, if 
> possible.
>   • Hold down the Option key and choose Open Wireless Diagnostics from 
> the Wi-Fi status menu .
>   • Enter your administrator name and password when prompted.
> Wireless Diagnostics begins analyzing your wireless environment:
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Ronni
> 
>> On 4 Jun 2019, at 8:13 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ronni, thanks for that one. I had omitted to mention in my list of things 
>> that I had tried that I saw an online tip to try this one. So I did already 
>> try it and sadly it didn't resolve the issue. It does seem after some of 
>> these tests that it pauses momentarily (I am using Safari and select Google 
>> web page to put to the test) before getting the "no internet connection:" 
>> message.  
>> 
>> Will have a calm look at it again tonight, sometimes I feel that in trying 
>> some of these items, it is the order in which they are tried seems to make a 
>> difference, although i am unclear on which order is the right order, the 
>> order from my side seems to be random.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From:
>> wamug@wamug.org.au
>> 
>> To:
>> 
>> Cc:
>> 
>> Sent:
>> Tue, 4 Jun 2019 06:41:45 +0800
>> Subject:
>> Re: MacBook Pro with Wifi signal but no Internet
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> On Your wife’s MBP try:
>> Edit her Locations in Network Preferences. 
>> In Edit Locations, from the drop-down click the “+” to create a new 
>> Location, name it “Automatic” (any name will do)...
>> The new location will setup new a new default WiFi (and Ethernet and 
>> FireWire) and hopefully will connect to the Internet immediately.
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>> > On 3 Jun 2019, at 9:19 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi folks, I have had the issue as noted in the subject line before many 
>> > many times and I have been able to resolve albeit with many different 
>> > methods. 
>> > 
>> > My wife’s MBP 2011 has developed this problem, not surprisingly coincident 
>> > with the OSX update to 10.14.5. 
>> > 
>> > It all started when Jo said she had no sound from the MBA speakers. I did 
>> > the usual settings review and then did a reboot. This resolved the sound 
>> > issue. I can’t recall if this coincided with the update of the OSX too but 
>> > the sound is fixed. But we have no Internet service now. Things I have 
>> > done here:
>> > 
>> > PRAM reset
>> > SMC Reset
>> > Reboot
>> > PRAM reset
>> > SMC Reset
>> > Network reset 
>> > Forget Wifi connection and re-establish
>> > Clear DNS settings, Try the Google 8.8.8.8, try others, back to 10.1.1.1
>> > Renew DHCP licence
>> > Try to connect via a iPhone hotspot (which is accessing internet fine)
>> > 
>> > Is this a 10.14.5 issue? I can’t get to the internet with this MBP to do 
>> > anything about it. 
>> > 
>> > Any clues folks?
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Regards
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Pete
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Re: MacBook Pro with Wifi signal but no Internet

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

Have you run Wireless Diagnostics on Jo’s MBP?

Your Mac can use Wireless Diagnostics to perform additional analysis. 
• Quit any apps that are open, and connect to your Wi-Fi network, if 
possible.
• Hold down the Option key and choose Open Wireless Diagnostics from 
the Wi-Fi status menu .
• Enter your administrator name and password when prompted.
Wireless Diagnostics begins analyzing your wireless environment:

Kind Regards,

Ronni

> On 4 Jun 2019, at 8:13 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni, thanks for that one. I had omitted to mention in my list of things 
> that I had tried that I saw an online tip to try this one. So I did already 
> try it and sadly it didn't resolve the issue. It does seem after some of 
> these tests that it pauses momentarily (I am using Safari and select Google 
> web page to put to the test) before getting the "no internet connection:" 
> message.  
> 
> Will have a calm look at it again tonight, sometimes I feel that in trying 
> some of these items, it is the order in which they are tried seems to make a 
> difference, although i am unclear on which order is the right order, the 
> order from my side seems to be random.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Tue, 4 Jun 2019 06:41:45 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: MacBook Pro with Wifi signal but no Internet
> 
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> On Your wife’s MBP try:
> Edit her Locations in Network Preferences. 
> In Edit Locations, from the drop-down click the “+” to create a new Location, 
> name it “Automatic” (any name will do)...
> The new location will setup new a new default WiFi (and Ethernet and 
> FireWire) and hopefully will connect to the Internet immediately.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> > On 3 Jun 2019, at 9:19 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi folks, I have had the issue as noted in the subject line before many 
> > many times and I have been able to resolve albeit with many different 
> > methods. 
> > 
> > My wife’s MBP 2011 has developed this problem, not surprisingly coincident 
> > with the OSX update to 10.14.5. 
> > 
> > It all started when Jo said she had no sound from the MBA speakers. I did 
> > the usual settings review and then did a reboot. This resolved the sound 
> > issue. I can’t recall if this coincided with the update of the OSX too but 
> > the sound is fixed. But we have no Internet service now. Things I have done 
> > here:
> > 
> > PRAM reset
> > SMC Reset
> > Reboot
> > PRAM reset
> > SMC Reset
> > Network reset 
> > Forget Wifi connection and re-establish
> > Clear DNS settings, Try the Google 8.8.8.8, try others, back to 10.1.1.1
> > Renew DHCP licence
> > Try to connect via a iPhone hotspot (which is accessing internet fine)
> > 
> > Is this a 10.14.5 issue? I can’t get to the internet with this MBP to do 
> > anything about it. 
> > 
> > Any clues folks?
> > 
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > 
> > Pete
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Re: All personal Favourite mailboxes greyed out

[Alan Smith]

Hi Ronni

Thanks for your efforts in trying to resolve the issue.

All now seems well on the Mail front - at least, a stable platform has been 
achieved.  But missing content still not restored.  Kind of leaves Migration 
Assistant as the prime suspect in losing the data in the first place.

After the system failure due to apparent no disk space I shut down the iMac.  
The next day I tested it in Safe Mode and all seemed ok.  I restarted in normal 
mode then restored the complete ~/Library/Mail/V6/MailData folder via Time 
Machine to overwrite the modified original.  

This proceeded as expected and imported all available mail.  This was the same 
content as previous import attempts - with a few extras due to the date 
difference between the TM backup and “now”.  It did not create the missing 
mailboxes or restore emails which I assume were in the “On My Mac” section.  I 
left the iMac idle for a few hours to see if the disk space problem recurred.  
No problems.

I created new mailboxes "On My Mac” and now use the toolbar icon “Move to…” to 
move wanted mail from the inbox.  My previous method over the years was to drag 
mail I wanted to keep from the Inbox to the appropriate mailbox alias in the 
Favourites bar.  Probably not a significant change.

Kind Regards.
Alan


> On 4 Jun 2019, at 8:10 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Allan,
> 
> Sounds like a mess has been made of the transfer of all your data over to 
> this new iMac. Best to get someone in to look at it so as to not make it 
> worse.  
> This mess can’t be fixed via email.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> On 31 May 2019, at 8:40 pm, Alan Smith  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> 
>> Not my day No1.  I meant to reply to your latest email, but my fat finger on 
>> my iPad touched the trash button instead of the reply button. Hence this 
>> earlier email.
>> 
>> NOT my day. I went to the iMac to reply to you: Mail is now dead - or 
>> perhaps it is the computer.  I get a message “Mail cannot save information 
>> about your mailboxes because there isn’t enough space in your home folder.  
>> Quit Mail and delete any file you don’t need. Then open mail again.”
>> 
>> The iMac is 10 days old. Capacity is 1.03 TB. Apps = 10 GB, Library = 5 GB, 
>> System = 12 GB, Users = 87 GB.  Macintosh HD shows 117 GB used BUT 1.52 GB 
>> available!
>> 
>> Now I have a system alert - run out of application memory.  Had to switch 
>> off main power switch as mouse not responding.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Alan
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 30 May 2019, at 8:10 pm, Ronni Brown > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alan,
>>> 
>>> You mentioned in your original post to the list that:
> I Used Migration Assistant to copy all data from Time Machine. The backup 
> has been erased.
>>> And the original iMac hard drive has been erased as well.
>>> If that is the case you don’t have a ‘backup’ that you can use to restore 
>>> the original Mail Mailboxes & their messages from.
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 30 May 2019, at 6:24 pm, Alan Smith >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Ronni
 
 Thank you for your comments and suggestions.
 
 To clarify the problem, all four mail accounts are OK and appear in the 
 Mail Sidebar, with their respective sub folders Sent, Spam and Trash.  All 
 accounts are online.  Missing from the Sidebar are previously created 
 Mailboxes such as Personal, Financials, Bills, etc.  Most of these 
 mailboxes had sub folders, eg the Bills mailbox had Water, Gas, 
 Electricity etc.  I don’t recall having any active Smart Mailboxes.
 
 It seems the actual original mailboxes and their content have gone.  Yes, 
 I can drag a greyed out mailbox off the bar and it disappears.  Yes, I can 
 create a new mailbox to display in the sidebar and can then drag a copy to 
 the bar. 
 
 Web blog sites that suggest that missing emails can be recovered seem to 
 be promoting commercial software without giving anything more specific 
 about how to do a recovery!  
 
 I have one untested Time Machine backup. The original iMac had its disk 
 erased and macOS reinstalled and is no longer available.  I have the use 
 of a very unstable MacBook Air that might accept selective restoration 
 from Time Machine.  Do you think this is worth trying?  Or just accept 
 that the emails cannot be recovered.
 
 Cheers
 Alan
 
 
 
> On 29 May 2019, at 4:42 pm, Ronda Brown  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Alan,
> 
> My replies in Situ below in colour:
> Before attempting any of my suggestions below, I would suggest you backup 
> first.
> 
>> On 26 May 2019, at 12:24 pm, Alan Smith > > wrote:
>> 
>> All personal mailboxes 

Re: MacBook Pro with Wifi signal but no Internet

[petercrisp]

Hi Ronni, thanks for that one. I had omitted to mention in my list of
things that I had tried that I saw an online tip to try this one. So I
did already try it and sadly it didn't resolve the issue. It does seem
after some of these tests that it pauses momentarily (I am using
Safari and select Google web page to put to the test) before getting
the "no internet connection:" message.  
Will have a calm look at it again tonight, sometimes I feel that in
trying some of these items, it is the order in which they are tried
seems to make a difference, although i am unclear on which order is
the right order, the order from my side seems to be random.
Regards
Pete.

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:
Cc:
Sent:Tue, 4 Jun 2019 06:41:45 +0800
Subject:Re: MacBook Pro with Wifi signal but no Internet

 Hi Peter,

 On Your wife’s MBP try:
 Edit her Locations in Network Preferences. 
 In Edit Locations, from the drop-down click the “+” to create a
new Location, name it “Automatic” (any name will do)...
 The new location will setup new a new default WiFi (and Ethernet and
FireWire) and hopefully will connect to the Internet immediately.

 Kind Regards,
 Ronni

  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 

 > On 3 Jun 2019, at 9:19 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
 > 
 > Hi folks, I have had the issue as noted in the subject line before
many many times and I have been able to resolve albeit with many
different methods. 
 > 
 > My wife’s MBP 2011 has developed this problem, not surprisingly
coincident with the OSX update to 10.14.5. 
 > 
 > It all started when Jo said she had no sound from the MBA speakers.
I did the usual settings review and then did a reboot. This resolved
the sound issue. I can’t recall if this coincided with the update of
the OSX too but the sound is fixed. But we have no Internet service
now. Things I have done here:
 > 
 > PRAM reset
 > SMC Reset
 > Reboot
 > PRAM reset
 > SMC Reset
 > Network reset 
 > Forget Wifi connection and re-establish
 > Clear DNS settings, Try the Google 8.8.8.8, try others, back to
10.1.1.1
 > Renew DHCP licence
 > Try to connect via a iPhone hotspot (which is accessing internet
fine)
 > 
 > Is this a 10.14.5 issue? I can’t get to the internet with this
MBP to do anything about it. 
 > 
 > Any clues folks?
 > 
 > 
 > Regards
 > 
 > 
 > Pete
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Re: All personal Favourite mailboxes greyed out

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Allan,

Sounds like a mess has been made of the transfer of all your data over to this 
new iMac. Best to get someone in to look at it so as to not make it worse.  
This mess can’t be fixed via email.

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 31 May 2019, at 8:40 pm, Alan Smith  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni
> 
> Not my day No1.  I meant to reply to your latest email, but my fat finger on 
> my iPad touched the trash button instead of the reply button. Hence this 
> earlier email.
> 
> NOT my day. I went to the iMac to reply to you: Mail is now dead - or perhaps 
> it is the computer.  I get a message “Mail cannot save information about your 
> mailboxes because there isn’t enough space in your home folder.  Quit Mail 
> and delete any file you don’t need. Then open mail again.”
> 
> The iMac is 10 days old. Capacity is 1.03 TB. Apps = 10 GB, Library = 5 GB, 
> System = 12 GB, Users = 87 GB.  Macintosh HD shows 117 GB used BUT 1.52 GB 
> available!
> 
> Now I have a system alert - run out of application memory.  Had to switch off 
> main power switch as mouse not responding.
> 
> Regards
> Alan
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 30 May 2019, at 8:10 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alan,
>> 
>> You mentioned in your original post to the list that:
 I Used Migration Assistant to copy all data from Time Machine. The backup 
 has been erased.
>> And the original iMac hard drive has been erased as well.
>> If that is the case you don’t have a ‘backup’ that you can use to restore 
>> the original Mail Mailboxes & their messages from.
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 May 2019, at 6:24 pm, Alan Smith  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Ronni
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your comments and suggestions.
>>> 
>>> To clarify the problem, all four mail accounts are OK and appear in the 
>>> Mail Sidebar, with their respective sub folders Sent, Spam and Trash.  All 
>>> accounts are online.  Missing from the Sidebar are previously created 
>>> Mailboxes such as Personal, Financials, Bills, etc.  Most of these 
>>> mailboxes had sub folders, eg the Bills mailbox had Water, Gas, Electricity 
>>> etc.  I don’t recall having any active Smart Mailboxes.
>>> 
>>> It seems the actual original mailboxes and their content have gone.  Yes, I 
>>> can drag a greyed out mailbox off the bar and it disappears.  Yes, I can 
>>> create a new mailbox to display in the sidebar and can then drag a copy to 
>>> the bar. 
>>> 
>>> Web blog sites that suggest that missing emails can be recovered seem to be 
>>> promoting commercial software without giving anything more specific about 
>>> how to do a recovery!  
>>> 
>>> I have one untested Time Machine backup. The original iMac had its disk 
>>> erased and macOS reinstalled and is no longer available.  I have the use of 
>>> a very unstable MacBook Air that might accept selective restoration from 
>>> Time Machine.  Do you think this is worth trying?  Or just accept that the 
>>> emails cannot be recovered.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 29 May 2019, at 4:42 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
 
 Hello Alan,
 
 My replies in Situ below in colour:
 Before attempting any of my suggestions below, I would suggest you backup 
 first.
 
> On 26 May 2019, at 12:24 pm, Alan Smith  wrote:
> 
> All personal mailboxes in the Favourites bar are greyed out on a new iMac 
> (27 inch 5K with Mojave 10.14.5).  I Used Migration Assistant to copy all 
> data from Time Machine. The backup has been erased.
 
 When you ‘Add a mailbox’ to the The ‘Favourites Bar’ by dragging the 
 mailbox from the Mail Sidebar, Mail doesn’t actually move the mailbox; it 
 adds an alias for it to the Favourites bar.
 You could have lost your link to the server.
 Check the Mailboxes you dragged to the Favourites Bar from the Sidebar are 
 NOT Disabled?
 Go to Mail > Preferences > Accounts tab - check they are all online.
 
 If all accounts are online & you still have the Favourites mailboxes 
 greyed out.
 Drag the greyed out mailboxes out of the bar and they will disappear, then 
 drag new ones from the sidebar to replace them.
 
> 
> I Rebuilt the inbox for my main mail account but this made no difference. 
>   ~/Library/Mail/ contains V5 and V6 folders. 
 
 The V5 folder is used by High Sierra.
 Before doing anything, make sure you have a current backup.
 1. Quit Mail and move the V5 folder to the trash, but don't delete it. 
 2. Open Mail and verify everything still works OK and all your messages 
 are there. 
 Once confident everything is OK, you can empty the trash.
 
> 
> I normally move mail from my Inbox to the Favourites mailboxes.  I have 
> mail archives (outside the Mail app) up to December 2017.  The Mail 
> “Sent” folder holds all (?) messages from 2017. 
> 
> Can I recove

Re: MacBook Pro with Wifi signal but no Internet

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

On Your wife’s MBP try:
Edit her Locations in Network Preferences. 
In Edit Locations, from the drop-down  click the “+” to create a new Location, 
name it “Automatic” (any name will do)...
The new location will setup new a new default WiFi (and Ethernet and FireWire) 
and hopefully will connect to the Internet immediately.

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 3 Jun 2019, at 9:19 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks, I have had the issue as noted in the subject line before many many 
> times and I have been able to resolve albeit with many different methods. 
> 
> My wife’s MBP 2011 has developed this problem, not surprisingly coincident 
> with the OSX update to 10.14.5. 
> 
> It all started when Jo said she had no sound from the MBA speakers. I did the 
> usual settings review and then did a reboot. This resolved the sound issue. I 
> can’t recall if this coincided with the update of the OSX too but the sound 
> is fixed. But we have no Internet service now. Things I have done here:
> 
> PRAM reset
> SMC Reset
> Reboot
> PRAM reset
> SMC Reset
> Network reset 
> Forget Wifi connection and re-establish
> Clear DNS settings, Try the Google 8.8.8.8, try others, back to 10.1.1.1
> Renew DHCP licence
> Try to connect via a iPhone hotspot (which is accessing internet fine)
> 
> Is this a 10.14.5 issue? I can’t get to the internet with this MBP to do 
> anything about it. 
> 
> Any clues folks?
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Pete
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Re: WAMUG Meeting Reminder: Tomorrow, Tuesday 4 June 2019

[Stephen Chape]

Thank you Pete.
It always surprises me that the Winter Solstice (middle of winter) is 21 June.
Yet we are told that 1 June is the start of winter.

So winter lasts 6 weeks ?

> On 3 Jun 2019, at 9:34 pm, WAMUG Annoucement  wrote:
> 
> G’day all WAMUGERS
> 
> With Winter now upon us but the sun still shining and warmth still in the 
> air, why don’t you take the opportunity to come along tomorrow to this 
> month’s User Group, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 at 7.30pm.
> 
> We’ll be exploring templates in Pages and Styles in HTML, incorporating the 
> use of Tabs as well as learning heaps from our question and answer session.
> 
> It’s your chance to get some hands on help for your devices or to just learn 
> some new things. Or even relearn some things you’ve forgot. Not forgetting, 
> of course, that essential at all user groups, the cuppa and biscuits.
> 
> So gather up your Apple devices and come along.
> 
> (Details are subject to change without notice)
> 
> Location: The Professional Prowest Real Estate building, 175 High Road, 
> Willeton.
> Time: 7.30pm - 9.30pm
> Cost: $5
> 
> Visit 
> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Professionals+Prowest+Real+Estate/@-32.040609,115.8870881,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x2a32bd0766deee43:0xbed7162d276a4cb7
>  
> 
> 
> Gregory’s UBD map ref: 329 E 2 (Nearest cross street is Yampi Way.)
> Streetsmart map ref: 433 D 1 (Nearest cross street is Yampi Way.)
> 
> See you there.
> 
> Pete Smith
> 
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Re: Photos

[Ronda Brown]

You should have AirDrop on iPad 4

AirDrop between Mac and iPhone or iPad:

Mac from 2012 or later (excluding the mid-2012 Mac Pro) using OS X Yosemite or 
later 
iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch using iOS 7 or later.
Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPhone 7 Plus

> On 2 Jun 2019, at 10:25 am, Juliet Kitson  wrote:
> 
> I just checked we have an iPad 4
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 12:14 PM Juliet Kitson  wrote:
>> I guess my iPad is too old to have airdrop I think it is gen 2
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 12:12 PM Tim Law  wrote:
>>> I use iCloud to share my photos across all devices. 
>>> 
>>> You’ll find the settings in your iOS device, iPad under Settings
>>> 
>>> Click on the very top panel which opens your settings for your AppleID
>>> 
>>> Then click iCloud which will show you all the settings for your apps that 
>>> can be synced using iCloud
>>> 
>>> Then toggle Photos. 
>>> 
>>> It might then tell you things and give you option. Do what you feel is 
>>> sensible
>>> 
>>> On my main computer I tick, keep full size images here
>>> 
>>> On my devices, that is NOT ticked to save space. 
>>> 
>>> Let everything sync. Be patient. It will take a while. 
>>> 
>>> You probably need to do the same on your main computer 
>>> 
>>> I may have accidentally missed some steps, this is just from my memory. 
>>> It’s good to be able to be able figure things out yourself. 
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> Sent from Tim's iPhone
>>> 
 On 2 Jun 2019, at 9:14 am, Juliet Kitson  wrote:
 
 Thanks Ronni,
 my iPad doesn't appear to have Airdrop. How do I get it?
 Cheers Juliet
 
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 10:03 AM Ronni Brown  wrote:
> Hi Juliet,
> 
> If you have a Mac that supports AirDrop, you can wirelessly transfer 
> batches of photos and videos from your Mac to your iPhone or iPad.
> 
> 1. Select the photos or video you'd like to transfer in the Finder window.
> 2. In a new Finder window or tab, click AirDrop from the side menu.
> 3. Make sure your iPhone or iPad is unlocked and awake.
> 4. Confirm that your iPhone has AirDrop receiving set to on and Everyone.
> 5. Drag your selected files to the iPhone or iPad option in AirDrop on 
> your Mac.
> 6. Depending on whether you're transferring to a device with the same 
> Apple ID or not, you may need to tap Accept on your iPhone or iPad.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
>> On 2 Jun 2019, at 7:30 am, Juliet Kitson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> How do I export photos from Mac to iPad?
>> Cheers Juliet
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Re: Photos

[Juliet Kitson]

I just checked we have an iPad 4

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 12:14 PM Juliet Kitson  wrote:

> I guess my iPad is too old to have airdrop I think it is gen 2
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 12:12 PM Tim Law  wrote:
>
>> I use iCloud to share my photos across all devices.
>>
>> You’ll find the settings in your iOS device, iPad under Settings
>>
>> Click on the very top panel which opens your settings for your AppleID
>>
>> Then click iCloud which will show you all the settings for your apps that
>> can be synced using iCloud
>>
>> Then toggle Photos.
>>
>> It might then tell you things and give you option. Do what you feel is
>> sensible
>>
>> On my main computer I tick, keep full size images here
>>
>> On my devices, that is NOT ticked to save space.
>>
>> Let everything sync. Be patient. It will take a while.
>>
>> You probably need to do the same on your main computer
>>
>> I may have accidentally missed some steps, this is just from my memory.
>> It’s good to be able to be able figure things out yourself.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> Sent from Tim's iPhone
>>
>> On 2 Jun 2019, at 9:14 am, Juliet Kitson  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Ronni,
>> my iPad doesn't appear to have Airdrop. How do I get it?
>> Cheers Juliet
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 10:03 AM Ronni Brown  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Juliet,
>>>
>>> If you have a Mac that supports AirDrop ,
>>> you can wirelessly transfer batches of photos and videos from your Mac to
>>> your iPhone or iPad.
>>>
>>>1. 1. Select the *photos or video* you'd like to transfer in the
>>>Finder window.
>>>2. 2. In a *new Finder window or tab*, click *AirDrop* from the side
>>>menu.
>>>3. 3. Make sure your iPhone or iPad is *unlocked and awake*.
>>>4. 4. Confirm that your iPhone has AirDrop receiving set to on and
>>>*Everyone*.
>>>5. 5. Drag your *selected* files to the *iPhone* or *iPad* option in
>>>AirDrop on your Mac.
>>>6. 6. Depending on whether you're transferring to a device with the
>>>same Apple ID or not, you may need to tap *Accept* on your iPhone or
>>>iPad.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Ronni
>>>
>>>
>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 Jun 2019, at 7:30 am, Juliet Kitson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>> How do I export photos from Mac to iPad?
>>> Cheers Juliet
>>>
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Re: Photos

[Juliet Kitson]

I guess my iPad is too old to have airdrop I think it is gen 2

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 12:12 PM Tim Law  wrote:

> I use iCloud to share my photos across all devices.
>
> You’ll find the settings in your iOS device, iPad under Settings
>
> Click on the very top panel which opens your settings for your AppleID
>
> Then click iCloud which will show you all the settings for your apps that
> can be synced using iCloud
>
> Then toggle Photos.
>
> It might then tell you things and give you option. Do what you feel is
> sensible
>
> On my main computer I tick, keep full size images here
>
> On my devices, that is NOT ticked to save space.
>
> Let everything sync. Be patient. It will take a while.
>
> You probably need to do the same on your main computer
>
> I may have accidentally missed some steps, this is just from my memory.
> It’s good to be able to be able figure things out yourself.
>
> Regards
>
> Tim
>
> Sent from Tim's iPhone
>
> On 2 Jun 2019, at 9:14 am, Juliet Kitson  wrote:
>
> Thanks Ronni,
> my iPad doesn't appear to have Airdrop. How do I get it?
> Cheers Juliet
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 10:03 AM Ronni Brown  wrote:
>
>> Hi Juliet,
>>
>> If you have a Mac that supports AirDrop ,
>> you can wirelessly transfer batches of photos and videos from your Mac to
>> your iPhone or iPad.
>>
>>1. 1. Select the *photos or video* you'd like to transfer in the
>>Finder window.
>>2. 2. In a *new Finder window or tab*, click *AirDrop* from the side
>>menu.
>>3. 3. Make sure your iPhone or iPad is *unlocked and awake*.
>>4. 4. Confirm that your iPhone has AirDrop receiving set to on and
>>*Everyone*.
>>5. 5. Drag your *selected* files to the *iPhone* or *iPad* option in
>>AirDrop on your Mac.
>>6. 6. Depending on whether you're transferring to a device with the
>>same Apple ID or not, you may need to tap *Accept* on your iPhone or
>>iPad.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Ronni
>>
>>
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB
>>
>>
>> On 2 Jun 2019, at 7:30 am, Juliet Kitson  wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>> How do I export photos from Mac to iPad?
>> Cheers Juliet
>>
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Re: Photos

[Tim Law]

I use iCloud to share my photos across all devices. 

You’ll find the settings in your iOS device, iPad under Settings

Click on the very top panel which opens your settings for your AppleID

Then click iCloud which will show you all the settings for your apps that can 
be synced using iCloud

Then toggle Photos. 

It might then tell you things and give you option. Do what you feel is sensible

On my main computer I tick, keep full size images here

On my devices, that is NOT ticked to save space. 

Let everything sync. Be patient. It will take a while. 

You probably need to do the same on your main computer 

I may have accidentally missed some steps, this is just from my memory. It’s 
good to be able to be able figure things out yourself. 

Regards

Tim

Sent from Tim's iPhone

> On 2 Jun 2019, at 9:14 am, Juliet Kitson  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Ronni,
> my iPad doesn't appear to have Airdrop. How do I get it?
> Cheers Juliet
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 10:03 AM Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> Hi Juliet,
>> 
>> If you have a Mac that supports AirDrop, you can wirelessly transfer batches 
>> of photos and videos from your Mac to your iPhone or iPad.
>> 
>> 1. Select the photos or video you'd like to transfer in the Finder window.
>> 2. In a new Finder window or tab, click AirDrop from the side menu.
>> 3. Make sure your iPhone or iPad is unlocked and awake.
>> 4. Confirm that your iPhone has AirDrop receiving set to on and Everyone.
>> 5. Drag your selected files to the iPhone or iPad option in AirDrop on your 
>> Mac.
>> 6. Depending on whether you're transferring to a device with the same Apple 
>> ID or not, you may need to tap Accept on your iPhone or iPad.
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2 Jun 2019, at 7:30 am, Juliet Kitson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> How do I export photos from Mac to iPad?
>>> Cheers Juliet
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Re: Photos

[Ronni Brown]

Settings > General - AirDrop  
tap Airdrop then select Everyone.

Kind Regards,
Ronni

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> On 2 Jun 2019, at 9:14 am, Juliet Kitson  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Ronni,
> my iPad doesn't appear to have Airdrop. How do I get it?
> Cheers Juliet
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 10:03 AM Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> Hi Juliet,
>> 
>> If you have a Mac that supports AirDrop, you can wirelessly transfer batches 
>> of photos and videos from your Mac to your iPhone or iPad.
>> 
>> 1. Select the photos or video you'd like to transfer in the Finder window.
>> 2. In a new Finder window or tab, click AirDrop from the side menu.
>> 3. Make sure your iPhone or iPad is unlocked and awake.
>> 4. Confirm that your iPhone has AirDrop receiving set to on and Everyone.
>> 5. Drag your selected files to the iPhone or iPad option in AirDrop on your 
>> Mac.
>> 6. Depending on whether you're transferring to a device with the same Apple 
>> ID or not, you may need to tap Accept on your iPhone or iPad.
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2 Jun 2019, at 7:30 am, Juliet Kitson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> How do I export photos from Mac to iPad?
>>> Cheers Juliet
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Re: Photos

[Juliet Kitson]

Thanks Ronni,
my iPad doesn't appear to have Airdrop. How do I get it?
Cheers Juliet

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 10:03 AM Ronni Brown  wrote:

> Hi Juliet,
>
> If you have a Mac that supports AirDrop ,
> you can wirelessly transfer batches of photos and videos from your Mac to
> your iPhone or iPad.
>
>1. 1. Select the *photos or video* you'd like to transfer in the
>Finder window.
>2. 2. In a *new Finder window or tab*, click *AirDrop* from the side
>menu.
>3. 3. Make sure your iPhone or iPad is *unlocked and awake*.
>4. 4. Confirm that your iPhone has AirDrop receiving set to on and
>*Everyone*.
>5. 5. Drag your *selected* files to the *iPhone* or *iPad* option in
>AirDrop on your Mac.
>6. 6. Depending on whether you're transferring to a device with the
>same Apple ID or not, you may need to tap *Accept* on your iPhone or
>iPad.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Ronni
>
>
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB
>
>
> On 2 Jun 2019, at 7:30 am, Juliet Kitson  wrote:
>
> Hello All,
> How do I export photos from Mac to iPad?
> Cheers Juliet
>
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Re: Photos

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Juliet,

If you have a Mac that supports AirDrop, you can wirelessly transfer batches of 
photos and videos from your Mac to your iPhone or iPad.

1. Select the photos or video you'd like to transfer in the Finder window.
2. In a new Finder window or tab, click AirDrop from the side menu.
3. Make sure your iPhone or iPad is unlocked and awake.
4. Confirm that your iPhone has AirDrop receiving set to on and Everyone.
5. Drag your selected files to the iPhone or iPad option in AirDrop on your Mac.
6. Depending on whether you're transferring to a device with the same Apple ID 
or not, you may need to tap Accept on your iPhone or iPad.

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 2 Jun 2019, at 7:30 am, Juliet Kitson  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> How do I export photos from Mac to iPad?
> Cheers Juliet
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Re: All personal Favourite mailboxes greyed out

[Alan Smith]

Hi Ronni

Not my day No1.  I meant to reply to your latest email, but my fat finger on my 
iPad touched the trash button instead of the reply button. Hence this earlier 
email.

NOT my day. I went to the iMac to reply to you: Mail is now dead - or perhaps 
it is the computer.  I get a message “Mail cannot save information about your 
mailboxes because there isn’t enough space in your home folder.  Quit Mail and 
delete any file you don’t need. Then open mail again.”

The iMac is 10 days old. Capacity is 1.03 TB. Apps = 10 GB, Library = 5 GB, 
System = 12 GB, Users = 87 GB.  Macintosh HD shows 117 GB used BUT 1.52 GB 
available!

Now I have a system alert - run out of application memory.  Had to switch off 
main power switch as mouse not responding.

Regards
Alan
Sent from my iPad

> On 30 May 2019, at 8:10 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
> You mentioned in your original post to the list that:
>>> I Used Migration Assistant to copy all data from Time Machine. The backup 
>>> has been erased.
> And the original iMac hard drive has been erased as well.
> If that is the case you don’t have a ‘backup’ that you can use to restore the 
> original Mail Mailboxes & their messages from.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
>> On 30 May 2019, at 6:24 pm, Alan Smith  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Ronni
>> 
>> Thank you for your comments and suggestions.
>> 
>> To clarify the problem, all four mail accounts are OK and appear in the Mail 
>> Sidebar, with their respective sub folders Sent, Spam and Trash.  All 
>> accounts are online.  Missing from the Sidebar are previously created 
>> Mailboxes such as Personal, Financials, Bills, etc.  Most of these mailboxes 
>> had sub folders, eg the Bills mailbox had Water, Gas, Electricity etc.  I 
>> don’t recall having any active Smart Mailboxes.
>> 
>> It seems the actual original mailboxes and their content have gone.  Yes, I 
>> can drag a greyed out mailbox off the bar and it disappears.  Yes, I can 
>> create a new mailbox to display in the sidebar and can then drag a copy to 
>> the bar. 
>> 
>> Web blog sites that suggest that missing emails can be recovered seem to be 
>> promoting commercial software without giving anything more specific about 
>> how to do a recovery!  
>> 
>> I have one untested Time Machine backup. The original iMac had its disk 
>> erased and macOS reinstalled and is no longer available.  I have the use of 
>> a very unstable MacBook Air that might accept selective restoration from 
>> Time Machine.  Do you think this is worth trying?  Or just accept that the 
>> emails cannot be recovered.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 May 2019, at 4:42 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Alan,
>>> 
>>> My replies in Situ below in colour:
>>> Before attempting any of my suggestions below, I would suggest you backup 
>>> first.
>>> 
 On 26 May 2019, at 12:24 pm, Alan Smith  wrote:
 
 All personal mailboxes in the Favourites bar are greyed out on a new iMac 
 (27 inch 5K with Mojave 10.14.5).  I Used Migration Assistant to copy all 
 data from Time Machine. The backup has been erased.
>>> 
>>> When you ‘Add a mailbox’ to the The ‘Favourites Bar’ by dragging the 
>>> mailbox from the Mail Sidebar, Mail doesn’t actually move the mailbox; it 
>>> adds an alias for it to the Favourites bar.
>>> You could have lost your link to the server.
>>> Check the Mailboxes you dragged to the Favourites Bar from the Sidebar are 
>>> NOT Disabled?
>>> Go to Mail > Preferences > Accounts tab - check they are all online.
>>> 
>>> If all accounts are online & you still have the Favourites mailboxes greyed 
>>> out.
>>> Drag the greyed out mailboxes out of the bar and they will disappear, then 
>>> drag new ones from the sidebar to replace them.
>>> 
 
 I Rebuilt the inbox for my main mail account but this made no difference.  
  ~/Library/Mail/ contains V5 and V6 folders. 
>>> 
>>> The V5 folder is used by High Sierra.
>>> Before doing anything, make sure you have a current backup.
>>> 1. Quit Mail and move the V5 folder to the trash, but don't delete it. 
>>> 2. Open Mail and verify everything still works OK and all your messages are 
>>> there. 
>>> Once confident everything is OK, you can empty the trash.
>>> 
 
 I normally move mail from my Inbox to the Favourites mailboxes.  I have 
 mail archives (outside the Mail app) up to December 2017.  The Mail “Sent” 
 folder holds all (?) messages from 2017. 
 
 Can I recover my Favourites mail history?
 
 Regards
 Alan
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>>> 
>>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
>>> 
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Re: All personal Favourite mailboxes greyed out

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Alan,

Thinking more on your Mail problem while trying to sleep, I thought of a long 
shot that might help your problem.

1. Quit Mail, navigate to ~/Library/ Mail/V6/MailData
and drag the files  Envelope Index, Envelope Index-shm, and Envelope Index-wal 
to the Trash.
 
2. When you launch Mail again, it’ll tell you that you need to “import” all 
your messages (just as it may have done when you upgraded to your current 
version of macOS). 

3. Let it do so—it’s recreating your envelope index from scratch, but don’t 
worry, you won’t lose any messages, labels, message status, or other data—and 
when it finishes, your mailboxes should behave correctly.

Kind regards,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS High Sierra 10.13.6



> On 30 May 2019, at 8:10 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
> You mentioned in your original post to the list that:
>>> I Used Migration Assistant to copy all data from Time Machine. The backup 
>>> has been erased.
> And the original iMac hard drive has been erased as well.
> If that is the case you don’t have a ‘backup’ that you can use to restore the 
> original Mail Mailboxes & their messages from.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> On 30 May 2019, at 6:24 pm, Alan Smith  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello Ronni
>> 
>> Thank you for your comments and suggestions.
>> 
>> To clarify the problem, all four mail accounts are OK and appear in the Mail 
>> Sidebar, with their respective sub folders Sent, Spam and Trash.  All 
>> accounts are online.  Missing from the Sidebar are previously created 
>> Mailboxes such as Personal, Financials, Bills, etc.  Most of these mailboxes 
>> had sub folders, eg the Bills mailbox had Water, Gas, Electricity etc.  I 
>> don’t recall having any active Smart Mailboxes.
>> 
>> It seems the actual original mailboxes and their content have gone.  Yes, I 
>> can drag a greyed out mailbox off the bar and it disappears.  Yes, I can 
>> create a new mailbox to display in the sidebar and can then drag a copy to 
>> the bar. 
>> 
>> Web blog sites that suggest that missing emails can be recovered seem to be 
>> promoting commercial software without giving anything more specific about 
>> how to do a recovery!  
>> 
>> I have one untested Time Machine backup. The original iMac had its disk 
>> erased and macOS reinstalled and is no longer available.  I have the use of 
>> a very unstable MacBook Air that might accept selective restoration from 
>> Time Machine.  Do you think this is worth trying?  Or just accept that the 
>> emails cannot be recovered.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 May 2019, at 4:42 pm, Ronda Brown >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Alan,
>>> 
>>> My replies in Situ below in colour:
>>> Before attempting any of my suggestions below, I would suggest you backup 
>>> first.
>>> 
 On 26 May 2019, at 12:24 pm, Alan Smith >>> > wrote:
 
 All personal mailboxes in the Favourites bar are greyed out on a new iMac 
 (27 inch 5K with Mojave 10.14.5).  I Used Migration Assistant to copy all 
 data from Time Machine. The backup has been erased.
>>> 
>>> When you ‘Add a mailbox’ to the The ‘Favourites Bar’ by dragging the 
>>> mailbox from the Mail Sidebar, Mail doesn’t actually move the mailbox; it 
>>> adds an alias for it to the Favourites bar.
>>> You could have lost your link to the server.
>>> Check the Mailboxes you dragged to the Favourites Bar from the Sidebar are 
>>> NOT Disabled?
>>> Go to Mail > Preferences > Accounts tab - check they are all online.
>>> 
>>> If all accounts are online & you still have the Favourites mailboxes greyed 
>>> out.
>>> Drag the greyed out mailboxes out of the bar and they will disappear, then 
>>> drag new ones from the sidebar to replace them.
>>> 
 
 I Rebuilt the inbox for my main mail account but this made no difference.  
  ~/Library/Mail/ contains V5 and V6 folders. 
>>> 
>>> The V5 folder is used by High Sierra.
>>> Before doing anything, make sure you have a current backup.
>>> 1. Quit Mail and move the V5 folder to the trash, but don't delete it. 
>>> 2. Open Mail and verify everything still works OK and all your messages are 
>>> there. 
>>> Once confident everything is OK, you can empty the trash.
>>> 
 
 I normally move mail from my Inbox to the Favourites mailboxes.  I have 
 mail archives (outside the Mail app) up to December 2017.  The Mail “Sent” 
 folder holds all (?) messages from 2017. 
 
 Can I recover my Favourites mail history?
 
 Regards
 Alan
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>>> 
>>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
>>> 
 -- The WA Mac

Re: All personal Favourite mailboxes greyed out

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Alan,

You mentioned in your original post to the list that:
>> I Used Migration Assistant to copy all data from Time Machine. The backup 
>> has been erased.
And the original iMac hard drive has been erased as well.
If that is the case you don’t have a ‘backup’ that you can use to restore the 
original Mail Mailboxes & their messages from.

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 30 May 2019, at 6:24 pm, Alan Smith  wrote:
> 
> Hello Ronni
> 
> Thank you for your comments and suggestions.
> 
> To clarify the problem, all four mail accounts are OK and appear in the Mail 
> Sidebar, with their respective sub folders Sent, Spam and Trash.  All 
> accounts are online.  Missing from the Sidebar are previously created 
> Mailboxes such as Personal, Financials, Bills, etc.  Most of these mailboxes 
> had sub folders, eg the Bills mailbox had Water, Gas, Electricity etc.  I 
> don’t recall having any active Smart Mailboxes.
> 
> It seems the actual original mailboxes and their content have gone.  Yes, I 
> can drag a greyed out mailbox off the bar and it disappears.  Yes, I can 
> create a new mailbox to display in the sidebar and can then drag a copy to 
> the bar. 
> 
> Web blog sites that suggest that missing emails can be recovered seem to be 
> promoting commercial software without giving anything more specific about how 
> to do a recovery!  
> 
> I have one untested Time Machine backup. The original iMac had its disk 
> erased and macOS reinstalled and is no longer available.  I have the use of a 
> very unstable MacBook Air that might accept selective restoration from Time 
> Machine.  Do you think this is worth trying?  Or just accept that the emails 
> cannot be recovered.
> 
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
>> On 29 May 2019, at 4:42 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Alan,
>> 
>> My replies in Situ below in colour:
>> Before attempting any of my suggestions below, I would suggest you backup 
>> first.
>> 
>>> On 26 May 2019, at 12:24 pm, Alan Smith  wrote:
>>> 
>>> All personal mailboxes in the Favourites bar are greyed out on a new iMac 
>>> (27 inch 5K with Mojave 10.14.5).  I Used Migration Assistant to copy all 
>>> data from Time Machine. The backup has been erased.
>> 
>> When you ‘Add a mailbox’ to the The ‘Favourites Bar’ by dragging the mailbox 
>> from the Mail Sidebar, Mail doesn’t actually move the mailbox; it adds an 
>> alias for it to the Favourites bar.
>> You could have lost your link to the server.
>> Check the Mailboxes you dragged to the Favourites Bar from the Sidebar are 
>> NOT Disabled?
>> Go to Mail > Preferences > Accounts tab - check they are all online.
>> 
>> If all accounts are online & you still have the Favourites mailboxes greyed 
>> out.
>> Drag the greyed out mailboxes out of the bar and they will disappear, then 
>> drag new ones from the sidebar to replace them.
>> 
>>> 
>>> I Rebuilt the inbox for my main mail account but this made no difference.   
>>> ~/Library/Mail/ contains V5 and V6 folders. 
>> 
>> The V5 folder is used by High Sierra.
>> Before doing anything, make sure you have a current backup.
>> 1. Quit Mail and move the V5 folder to the trash, but don't delete it. 
>> 2. Open Mail and verify everything still works OK and all your messages are 
>> there. 
>> Once confident everything is OK, you can empty the trash.
>> 
>>> 
>>> I normally move mail from my Inbox to the Favourites mailboxes.  I have 
>>> mail archives (outside the Mail app) up to December 2017.  The Mail “Sent” 
>>> folder holds all (?) messages from 2017. 
>>> 
>>> Can I recover my Favourites mail history?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Alan
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
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Re: All personal Favourite mailboxes greyed out

[Alan Smith]

Hello Ronni

Thank you for your comments and suggestions.

To clarify the problem, all four mail accounts are OK and appear in the Mail 
Sidebar, with their respective sub folders Sent, Spam and Trash.  All accounts 
are online.  Missing from the Sidebar are previously created Mailboxes such as 
Personal, Financials, Bills, etc.  Most of these mailboxes had sub folders, eg 
the Bills mailbox had Water, Gas, Electricity etc.  I don’t recall having any 
active Smart Mailboxes.

It seems the actual original mailboxes and their content have gone.  Yes, I can 
drag a greyed out mailbox off the bar and it disappears.  Yes, I can create a 
new mailbox to display in the sidebar and can then drag a copy to the bar. 

Web blog sites that suggest that missing emails can be recovered seem to be 
promoting commercial software without giving anything more specific about how 
to do a recovery!  

I have one untested Time Machine backup. The original iMac had its disk erased 
and macOS reinstalled and is no longer available.  I have the use of a very 
unstable MacBook Air that might accept selective restoration from Time Machine. 
 Do you think this is worth trying?  Or just accept that the emails cannot be 
recovered.

Cheers
Alan



> On 29 May 2019, at 4:42 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hello Alan,
> 
> My replies in Situ below in colour:
> Before attempting any of my suggestions below, I would suggest you backup 
> first.
> 
>> On 26 May 2019, at 12:24 pm, Alan Smith > > wrote:
>> 
>> All personal mailboxes in the Favourites bar are greyed out on a new iMac 
>> (27 inch 5K with Mojave 10.14.5).  I Used Migration Assistant to copy all 
>> data from Time Machine. The backup has been erased.
> 
> When you ‘Add a mailbox’ to the The ‘Favourites Bar’ by dragging the mailbox 
> from the Mail Sidebar, Mail doesn’t actually move the mailbox; it adds an 
> alias for it to the Favourites bar.
> You could have lost your link to the server.
> Check the Mailboxes you dragged to the Favourites Bar from the Sidebar are 
> NOT Disabled?
> Go to Mail > Preferences > Accounts tab - check they are all online.
> 
> If all accounts are online & you still have the Favourites mailboxes greyed 
> out.
> Drag the greyed out mailboxes out of the bar and they will disappear, then 
> drag new ones from the sidebar to replace them.
> 
>> 
>> I Rebuilt the inbox for my main mail account but this made no difference.   
>> ~/Library/Mail/ contains V5 and V6 folders. 
> 
> The V5 folder is used by High Sierra.
> Before doing anything, make sure you have a current backup.
> 1. Quit Mail and move the V5 folder to the trash, but don't delete it. 
> 2. Open Mail and verify everything still works OK and all your messages are 
> there. 
> Once confident everything is OK, you can empty the trash.
> 
>> 
>> I normally move mail from my Inbox to the Favourites mailboxes.  I have mail 
>> archives (outside the Mail app) up to December 2017.  The Mail “Sent” folder 
>> holds all (?) messages from 2017. 
>> 
>> Can I recover my Favourites mail history?
>> 
>> Regards
>> Alan
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
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> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
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[Ronda Brown]

Hello Alan,

My replies in Situ below in colour:
Before attempting any of my suggestions below, I would suggest you backup first.

> On 26 May 2019, at 12:24 pm, Alan Smith  wrote:
> 
> All personal mailboxes in the Favourites bar are greyed out on a new iMac (27 
> inch 5K with Mojave 10.14.5).  I Used Migration Assistant to copy all data 
> from Time Machine. The backup has been erased.

When you ‘Add a mailbox’ to the The ‘Favourites Bar’ by dragging the mailbox 
from the Mail Sidebar, Mail doesn’t actually move the mailbox; it adds an alias 
for it to the Favourites bar.
You could have lost your link to the server.
Check the Mailboxes you dragged to the Favourites Bar from the Sidebar are NOT 
Disabled?
Go to Mail > Preferences > Accounts tab - check they are all online.

If all accounts are online & you still have the Favourites mailboxes greyed out.
Drag the greyed out mailboxes out of the bar and they will disappear, then drag 
new ones from the sidebar to replace them.

> 
> I Rebuilt the inbox for my main mail account but this made no difference.   
> ~/Library/Mail/ contains V5 and V6 folders. 

The V5 folder is used by High Sierra.
Before doing anything, make sure you have a current backup.
1. Quit Mail and move the V5 folder to the trash, but don't delete it. 
2. Open Mail and verify everything still works OK and all your messages are 
there. 
Once confident everything is OK, you can empty the trash.

> 
> I normally move mail from my Inbox to the Favourites mailboxes.  I have mail 
> archives (outside the Mail app) up to December 2017.  The Mail “Sent” folder 
> holds all (?) messages from 2017. 
> 
> Can I recover my Favourites mail history?
> 
> Regards
> Alan

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
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Re: GraphicConverter 10 'Share' button does not show Facebook after last OS update

[Philippe Chaperon]

Hi Ronni, 

To answer your question, which I missed when I answered your suggestion, yes, I 
am signed into my Facebook account.

I will let things rest as this is really not an important function. 

I do appreciate your fast reply and many thanks again. 

All the best and if on the road be extra careful. 

Philippe C. 

Philippe dit la Grenouille ...🐸

On 16 May 2019, at 10:24 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:

Hi Philippe,

Just a thought... are you signed into your Facebook account?

Kind Regards,
Ronni

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On 16 May 2019, at 6:07 am, Ronni Brown mailto:ro...@mac.com>> 
wrote:

> Hi Philippe,
> 
> A quick google search as I don’t use Facebook, the only comment I found was
> “You cannot upload too many photos and videos at once. If you select more 
> than 50 items at once to share to Facebook, the Facebook item will vanish 
> from the Share menu.
> So share your photos with no more than 50 items selected at once.”
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
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> 
> 
> On 15 May 2019, at 10:52 pm, Philippe Chaperon  > wrote:
> 
>> Dear WAMUG’ers, 
>> 
>> Since my last update to High Sierra 10 to V10.13.6 the ‘Share’ button on 
>> GraphicConverter V10.7 does not show Facebook in its list anymore although 
>> it used to until the update a few days ago. 
>> 
>> The ‘Share' list currently show: Mail, AirDrop, Messages, Simulator, Notes, 
>> FTP Upload and last More …. The last choice, ‘More', when chosen, launches 
>> the ‘Extensions’ window from Systems Preferences. In that window, under 
>> 'Share Menu’ is a list of applications of which 13 including Facebook are 
>> ticked. Still Facebook does not appear in the Share list of GC10. 
>> 
>> I must have missed a place where FB should be entered, but where? Can 
>> someone please help me with some advice on how to reinstate FaceBook in that 
>> ‘Share’ list? 
>> 
>> Many thanks. 
>> 
>> Best regards, 
>> 
>> 
>> Philippe Chaperon
>> iMac (27-Inch) 2.93 GHz Intel Core i7
>> 20 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
>> High Sierra 10.13.6 & GC10.7
>> 
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[Ronni Brown]

Hi Stephen,
I actually do use DuckDuckGo search engine in Safari on my iPad.

Kind Regards,
Ronni

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> On 16 May 2019, at 10:48 am, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Gosh Ronni.
> I am surprised that you use Google.
> I stear clear of both those big trackers and data gatherers.
> 
> I and my family have used DuckDuckGo instead of Google for quite a while now.
> 
>> On 16 May 2019, at 6:07 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Philippe,
>> 
>> A quick google search as I don’t use Facebook, the only comment I found was
>> “You cannot upload too many photos and videos at once. If you select more 
>> than 50 items at once to share to Facebook, the Facebook item will vanish 
>> from the Share menu.
>> So share your photos with no more than 50 items selected at once.”
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 15 May 2019, at 10:52 pm, Philippe Chaperon  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear WAMUG’ers, 
>>> 
>>> Since my last update to High Sierra 10 to V10.13.6 the ‘Share’ button on 
>>> GraphicConverter V10.7 does not show Facebook in its list anymore although 
>>> it used to until the update a few days ago. 
>>> 
>>> The ‘Share' list currently show: Mail, AirDrop, Messages, Simulator, Notes, 
>>> FTP Upload and last More …. The last choice, ‘More', when chosen, launches 
>>> the ‘Extensions’ window from Systems Preferences. In that window, under 
>>> 'Share Menu’ is a list of applications of which 13 including Facebook are 
>>> ticked. Still Facebook does not appear in the Share list of GC10. 
>>> 
>>> I must have missed a place where FB should be entered, but where? Can 
>>> someone please help me with some advice on how to reinstate FaceBook in 
>>> that ‘Share’ list? 
>>> 
>>> Many thanks. 
>>> 
>>> Best regards, 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Philippe Chaperon
>>> iMac (27-Inch) 2.93 GHz Intel Core i7
>>> 20 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
>>> High Sierra 10.13.6 & GC10.7
>>> 
>>> 
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[Stephen Chape]

Gosh Ronni.
I am surprised that you use Google.
I stear clear of both those big trackers and data gatherers.

I and my family have used DuckDuckGo instead of Google for quite a while now.

> On 16 May 2019, at 6:07 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Philippe,
> 
> A quick google search as I don’t use Facebook, the only comment I found was
> “You cannot upload too many photos and videos at once. If you select more 
> than 50 items at once to share to Facebook, the Facebook item will vanish 
> from the Share menu.
> So share your photos with no more than 50 items selected at once.”
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> On 15 May 2019, at 10:52 pm, Philippe Chaperon  > wrote:
> 
>> Dear WAMUG’ers, 
>> 
>> Since my last update to High Sierra 10 to V10.13.6 the ‘Share’ button on 
>> GraphicConverter V10.7 does not show Facebook in its list anymore although 
>> it used to until the update a few days ago. 
>> 
>> The ‘Share' list currently show: Mail, AirDrop, Messages, Simulator, Notes, 
>> FTP Upload and last More …. The last choice, ‘More', when chosen, launches 
>> the ‘Extensions’ window from Systems Preferences. In that window, under 
>> 'Share Menu’ is a list of applications of which 13 including Facebook are 
>> ticked. Still Facebook does not appear in the Share list of GC10. 
>> 
>> I must have missed a place where FB should be entered, but where? Can 
>> someone please help me with some advice on how to reinstate FaceBook in that 
>> ‘Share’ list? 
>> 
>> Many thanks. 
>> 
>> Best regards, 
>> 
>> 
>> Philippe Chaperon
>> iMac (27-Inch) 2.93 GHz Intel Core i7
>> 20 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
>> High Sierra 10.13.6 & GC10.7
>> 
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[Philippe Chaperon]

Good morning Ronni,

Many thanks for the information. I was aware that Facebook has a limit on the 
number of photos to be posted but never knew the numbers!  I usually post 
between 1 to 4 photos at a time without any rejection from FaceBook. 

As my ‘Share’ problem is not important I will let things as they are. I can 
still post photos but not via a graphic application. I was more concerned that 
the latest update to the OS changed some settings somewhere. But all is working 
well, hence no more concern!

Many thanks again for your quick reply Ronni. 

Best regards, 


Philippe C.

Philippe dit la Grenouille ...🐸

On 16 May 2019, at 6:07 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:

Hi Philippe,

A quick google search as I don’t use Facebook, the only comment I found was
“You cannot upload too many photos and videos at once. If you select more than 
50 items at once to share to Facebook, the Facebook item will vanish from the 
Share menu.
So share your photos with no more than 50 items selected at once.”

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


On 15 May 2019, at 10:52 pm, Philippe Chaperon mailto:laut...@bigpond.com>> wrote:

> Dear WAMUG’ers, 
> 
> Since my last update to High Sierra 10 to V10.13.6 the ‘Share’ button on 
> GraphicConverter V10.7 does not show Facebook in its list anymore although it 
> used to until the update a few days ago. 
> 
> The ‘Share' list currently show: Mail, AirDrop, Messages, Simulator, Notes, 
> FTP Upload and last More …. The last choice, ‘More', when chosen, launches 
> the ‘Extensions’ window from Systems Preferences. In that window, under 
> 'Share Menu’ is a list of applications of which 13 including Facebook are 
> ticked. Still Facebook does not appear in the Share list of GC10. 
> 
> I must have missed a place where FB should be entered, but where? Can someone 
> please help me with some advice on how to reinstate FaceBook in that ‘Share’ 
> list? 
> 
> Many thanks. 
> 
> Best regards, 
> 
> 
> Philippe Chaperon
> iMac (27-Inch) 2.93 GHz Intel Core i7
> 20 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
> High Sierra 10.13.6 & GC10.7
> 
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[Ronni Brown]

Hi Philippe,

Just a thought... are you signed into your Facebook account?

Kind Regards,
Ronni

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> On 16 May 2019, at 6:07 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Philippe,
> 
> A quick google search as I don’t use Facebook, the only comment I found was
> “You cannot upload too many photos and videos at once. If you select more 
> than 50 items at once to share to Facebook, the Facebook item will vanish 
> from the Share menu.
> So share your photos with no more than 50 items selected at once.”
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
>> On 15 May 2019, at 10:52 pm, Philippe Chaperon  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear WAMUG’ers, 
>> 
>> Since my last update to High Sierra 10 to V10.13.6 the ‘Share’ button on 
>> GraphicConverter V10.7 does not show Facebook in its list anymore although 
>> it used to until the update a few days ago. 
>> 
>> The ‘Share' list currently show: Mail, AirDrop, Messages, Simulator, Notes, 
>> FTP Upload and last More …. The last choice, ‘More', when chosen, launches 
>> the ‘Extensions’ window from Systems Preferences. In that window, under 
>> 'Share Menu’ is a list of applications of which 13 including Facebook are 
>> ticked. Still Facebook does not appear in the Share list of GC10. 
>> 
>> I must have missed a place where FB should be entered, but where? Can 
>> someone please help me with some advice on how to reinstate FaceBook in that 
>> ‘Share’ list? 
>> 
>> Many thanks. 
>> 
>> Best regards, 
>> 
>> 
>> Philippe Chaperon
>> iMac (27-Inch) 2.93 GHz Intel Core i7
>> 20 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
>> High Sierra 10.13.6 & GC10.7
>> 
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[Ronni Brown]

Hi Philippe,

A quick google search as I don’t use Facebook, the only comment I found was
“You cannot upload too many photos and videos at once. If you select more than 
50 items at once to share to Facebook, the Facebook item will vanish from the 
Share menu.
So share your photos with no more than 50 items selected at once.”

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 15 May 2019, at 10:52 pm, Philippe Chaperon  wrote:
> 
> Dear WAMUG’ers, 
> 
> Since my last update to High Sierra 10 to V10.13.6 the ‘Share’ button on 
> GraphicConverter V10.7 does not show Facebook in its list anymore although it 
> used to until the update a few days ago. 
> 
> The ‘Share' list currently show: Mail, AirDrop, Messages, Simulator, Notes, 
> FTP Upload and last More …. The last choice, ‘More', when chosen, launches 
> the ‘Extensions’ window from Systems Preferences. In that window, under 
> 'Share Menu’ is a list of applications of which 13 including Facebook are 
> ticked. Still Facebook does not appear in the Share list of GC10. 
> 
> I must have missed a place where FB should be entered, but where? Can someone 
> please help me with some advice on how to reinstate FaceBook in that ‘Share’ 
> list? 
> 
> Many thanks. 
> 
> Best regards, 
> 
> 
> Philippe Chaperon
> iMac (27-Inch) 2.93 GHz Intel Core i7
> 20 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
> High Sierra 10.13.6 & GC10.7
> 
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Re: Trouble with Music Alias

[Alan Smith]

Hi Neil

Thank you for your clear arguments and instructions. I set up the alias to the 
iTunes folder as you suggested and it all works.  So simple - when you know 
how.  I have old purchased film and music from Apple’s Cloud ready for testing 
downloads - a short movie trailer and a song from the free U2 album Apple sent 
out a few years ago.

Thanks again
Alan


> On 15 May 2019, at 12:37 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
>  
> Before I start, a disclaimer - I am still running El Capitan (OSX 10.11) so 
> some things may have changed in High Sierra - up to you to see if my comments 
> remain valid  ;o)
>  
> In the past I have had my iTunes library on a separate disk without problems. 
> My current setup also has it on a separate drive to the OS - but it is on the 
> same drive as my user folder and still in my user folder's Music folder.
>  
> In your case, I am assuming that you have only moved your iTunes library to 
> the external drive - not your entire user folder.
>  
> In my El Capitan setup, the Music folder contains an iTunes folder which 
> contains various iTunes created files/folders including the iTunes media 
> folder and Album Artwork folder.
>  
> As you have already noted the actual Music folder is managed by the system 
> and is not owned by the user. The next level down iTunes folder is owned by 
> you (the user) and so this is the level that I would be "customising"
>  
> My approach would be:
> Do not try and move, duplicate or alias the "Music" folder
> Have the "iTunes" folder on the external drive
> Make sure that iTunes is using this external folder (check iTunes preferences)
> Create an alias of this external "iTunes" folder and move the alias to your 
> Home/Music folder
> Check whether your Home/Music folder contains an automatically created 
> "iTunes" folder - if so check that you have not inadvertently got any media 
> content in there and then delete it.
> Rename the alias of the external "iTunes" folder from "iTunes alias" to 
> "iTunes"
> Double check that iTunes is still using the external folder (it should be but 
> check iTunes preferences and “reselect” it if it has got confused!)
>  
> Now iTunes should be successfully using the iTunes folder on the external 
> drive and browsing in Finder will take you from your Home/Music folder to the 
> "iTunes" (alias) folder to all your content.
>  
>  
> Double check everything is working as expected (add some new media and 
> confirm it all goes where it should.
>  
>  
> HTH
>  
>  
> Cheers
>  
>  
> Neil
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>  
> -Original Message-
> From:  > on behalf of Alan 
> Smith mailto:sma...@iinet.net.au>>
> Reply-To: WAMUG mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Date: Wednesday, 15 May 2019 at 10:11
> To: WAMUG mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Subject: Trouble with Music Alias
>  
> I moved my entire iTunes library to an external drive, from the ~/Music 
> level. It works but - - -.
> 
> I want to use finder at the Home/Music folder to examine the content of 
> the lower level music folders on the external drive.   I created an alias of 
> Music at the top of the external tree and copied it to the original Home 
> folder.  But the new alias points to the old internal Music folder!  From 
> ‘Get Info’ of the alias I can select a new original and change this to the 
> external drive.
> 
> Finder is happy with this and I can access the external files from this 
> level downwards.  I now have the original Home/Music folder which I cannot 
> modify, similar to other standard Apple folders such and Movies and Pictures. 
>  I assume macOS needs this locked reference for its own navigation. But for 
> my direct Finder access I need to keep the alias which cannot be named 
> ‘Music’.  Or I need to find another way.
> 
> What can I do and how would I do it?  Three possibilities come to mind.  
> 1. Replace the Music folder in the Home directory with its alias.  2. Hide 
> the Home/Music folder and continue using the alias.  3. Use a symbolic link 
> rather than an alias.  I have no experience with any of these for 
> implementation or impact on normal macOS.  Comments and help please!
> 
> Computer is a late 2014 Mac mini with 256GB SSD and os High Sierra.  I 
> usually access it using Share Screen from a 27 inch iMac.
> 
> Regards
> Alan
> 
> 
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Re: Trouble with Music Alias

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Alan,

 

Before I start, a disclaimer - I am still running El Capitan (OSX 10.11) so 
some things may have changed in High Sierra - up to you to see if my comments 
remain valid  ;o)

 

In the past I have had my iTunes library on a separate disk without problems. 
My current setup also has it on a separate drive to the OS - but it is on the 
same drive as my user folder and still in my user folder's Music folder.

 

In your case, I am assuming that you have only moved your iTunes library to the 
external drive - not your entire user folder.

 

In my El Capitan setup, the Music folder contains an iTunes folder which 
contains various iTunes created files/folders including the iTunes media folder 
and Album Artwork folder.

 

As you have already noted the actual Music folder is managed by the system and 
is not owned by the user. The next level down iTunes folder is owned by you 
(the user) and so this is the level that I would be "customising"

 

My approach would be:
Do not try and move, duplicate or alias the "Music" folder
Have the "iTunes" folder on the external drive
Make sure that iTunes is using this external folder (check iTunes preferences)
Create an alias of this external "iTunes" folder and move the alias to your 
Home/Music folder
Check whether your Home/Music folder contains an automatically created "iTunes" 
folder - if so check that you have not inadvertently got any media content in 
there and then delete it.
Rename the alias of the external "iTunes" folder from "iTunes alias" to "iTunes"
Double check that iTunes is still using the external folder (it should be but 
check iTunes preferences and “reselect” it if it has got confused!)
 

Now iTunes should be successfully using the iTunes folder on the external drive 
and browsing in Finder will take you from your Home/Music folder to the 
"iTunes" (alias) folder to all your content.

 

 

Double check everything is working as expected (add some new media and confirm 
it all goes where it should.

 

 

HTH

 

 

Cheers

 

 

Neil

-- 

Neil R. Houghton

Albany, Western Australia

Tel: +61 8 9841 6063

Email: n...@possumology.com

 

 

-Original Message-

From:  on behalf of Alan Smith 


Reply-To: WAMUG 

Date: Wednesday, 15 May 2019 at 10:11

To: WAMUG 

Subject: Trouble with Music Alias

 

    I moved my entire iTunes library to an external drive, from the ~/Music 
level. It works but - - -.

    

I want to use finder at the Home/Music folder to examine the content of the 
lower level music folders on the external drive.   I created an alias of Music 
at the top of the external tree and copied it to the original Home folder.  But 
the new alias points to the old internal Music folder!  >From ‘Get Info’ of the 
alias I can select a new original and change this to the external drive.

    

Finder is happy with this and I can access the external files from this 
level downwards.  I now have the original Home/Music folder which I cannot 
modify, similar to other standard Apple folders such and Movies and Pictures.  
I assume macOS needs this locked reference for its own navigation. But for my 
direct Finder access I need to keep the alias which cannot be named ‘Music’.  
Or I need to find another way.

    

What can I do and how would I do it?  Three possibilities come to mind.  1. 
Replace the Music folder in the Home directory with its alias.  2. Hide the 
Home/Music folder and continue using the alias.  3. Use a symbolic link rather 
than an alias.  I have no experience with any of these for implementation or 
impact on normal macOS.  Comments and help please!

    

Computer is a late 2014 Mac mini with 256GB SSD and os High Sierra.  I 
usually access it using Share Screen from a 27 inch iMac.

    

Regards

    Alan

    







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Re: Something I didn't buy

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Pat,

If you’ve got a Pre-Paid service,  you need to have some data allowance or 
credit balance to connect. 
If your balance is $0.00 you’ll need to purchase a Plus Pack, or recharge.
You can check your balance, recharge and purchase Plus Packs by using Telstra 
24x7®App <https://www.telstra.com.au/my-account/telstra-24x7-app>

1. Have you tried a hard restart of  both iPhones? 
2. Check in Settings > Network Selection - Telstra Mobile > Automatic is ON 
(green)
3. Open your browser and go to http://www.telstra.com.au/>> or http://www.google.com/>> to 
test your internet connection

What model iPhones are they if you require more help?

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS High Sierra 10.13.6



> On 10 May 2019, at 10:16 pm, Pat  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Neil,
> 
> Thanks for your reply.  I think the landline is back in business now, but the 
> 2 iPhones are not. They all use Telstra but the landline is handled by iiNet, 
> and our payments go to them, and the iPhones are pre-paid on the Telstra web 
> site. So the mystery remains: why don’t the iPhones work, and how can we fix 
> things.
> 
> I know that the NBN is supposed to notify homeowners when they need to sign 
> up, but our road is in a kind of enclave: homes on land on 2 sides of us are 
> already using NBN, but supposedly it won’t get to our road for another year 
> or two.  So it occurred to me that possibly someone turned off the old phone 
> lines by mistake.  
> 
> Anyway, thanks again.
> 
> Pat
> 
> 
>> On 10 May 2019, at 20:09, Neil Houghton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Pat,
>> 
>> Just a thought - are the iPhones on post-paid plans with the same service 
>> supplier as the landline?
>> 
>> If they are then it is possibly all the same problem - the supplier (or 
>> their automated account software) has shut/paused the account for some 
>> reason  - should be easy to check with them.
>> 
>> If the landline is a different supplier and/or the phones are pre-paid then 
>> all the services/accounts are, in effect, separate - so it would be a 
>> strange coincidence for them all to fail at the same time?
>> 
>> I don't think you can blame the NBN they roll out their service well before 
>> they switch off the landlines and that would have no relevance to you mobile 
>> phone coverage anyway? 
>> 
>> Just my 2c worth  ;o)
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> Neil
>> -- 
>> Neil R. Houghton
>> Albany, Western Australia
>> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
>> Email: n...@possumology.com
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From:  on behalf of Pat 
>> 
>> Reply-To: WAMUG 
>> Date: Friday, 10 May 2019 at 14:49
>> To: WAMUG 
>> Subject: Re: Something I didn't buy
>> 
>>   Thank you, Peter and Philippe. I have alerted the bank about this.
>> 
>>   But it never rains but it pours, according to an old saying.  And this 
>> strange new problem has arisen: Both of our iPhones and our Landline phone 
>> are not functioning. They ring on an incoming call, but when we answer, our 
>> voices don’t register and a recorded voice says, “connection failed”. And if 
>> we try to ring out, we are told that our phone is not connected.
>> 
>>   This made me think that perhaps the NBN caused us to be cut off, but 
>> according to the NBN map on the iiNet website our address is not undergoing 
>> any changes, and we can’t expect the NBN for a couple of years.
>> 
>>   I haven’t wanted to use the ‘Cloud’ for phone calls, so I wondered if 
>> Apple was applying some subversive influence, but surely Apple is above that 
>> and they wouldn’t do anything to our Landline.
>> 
>>   We are open to any suggestions of why this is happening. 
>> 
>>   Hopefully,
>>   Pat
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 May 2019, at 07:57, Peter Hinchliffe  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 9 May 2019, at 9:42 pm, Pat  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I received an email today which may or may not have come from Apple. It 
>>>> says, “Your Apple Subscription Receipt” (to Netflix). But, I did not order 
>>>> a subscription. I think it is probably a scam, although it looks very 
>>>> authentic. One anomaly is that where it says ‘you can cancel a 
>>>> Subscription at any time: Cancel/Refund Subscription’  there is no URL.
>>>> 
>>>> The email did not say ‘No Reply’, so I did reply, but it bou

Re: Something I didn't buy

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Pat,

I guess it could be some local Telstra system outage. Telstra do have a page 
where you can check for outages - but I would not rely on it!!

.. an excerpt from a chat I had with Telstra some time back trying to fix a 
Bigpond email problem:


Ann Margaret
I see, have you tried to access webmail?

neil
No, I never use webmail

Ann Margaret
Because we are actually experiencing network problem from our email server and 
most likely this will affect sending and receiving emails. Rest assured that 
this will be fixed as soon as possible or within this day. And I will send an 
sms notification for you so that you will be aware if the outage has been fixed.


neil
OK - but when I checked the bigpond service status page it told me there were 
no known issues - if I had known there was an issue I would just have waited - 
instead I assumed there was a problem with my account.

Ann Margaret
We apologize Neil because the outage was unplanned and it was unexpected.

neil
Well, I would hope that most technical problems were unexpected - that doesn't 
mean that you can't report them on the status page when they happen - I would 
have thought that was the whole point of a "service status" page

Ann Margaret
We apologize if our service status is not updated concerning with this known 
outage since this outage was unexpectedly happened today. Rest assured that 
this issue will be fixed as soon as possible.


Go Figure ;o)


Anyway, hopefully you have got everything working now.


Cheers



Neil
-- 
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com


-Original Message-
From:  on behalf of Pat 

Reply-To: WAMUG 
Date: Friday, 10 May 2019 at 22:16
To: WAMUG 
Subject: Re: Something I didn't buy

Hi, Neil,

Thanks for your reply.  I think the landline is back in business now, but 
the 2 iPhones are not. They all use Telstra but the landline is handled by 
iiNet, and our payments go to them, and the iPhones are pre-paid on the Telstra 
web site. So the mystery remains: why don’t the iPhones work, and how can we 
fix things.

I know that the NBN is supposed to notify homeowners when they need to sign 
up, but our road is in a kind of enclave: homes on land on 2 sides of us are 
already using NBN, but supposedly it won’t get to our road for another year or 
two.  So it occurred to me that possibly someone turned off the old phone lines 
by mistake.  

Anyway, thanks again.

Pat


> On 10 May 2019, at 20:09, Neil Houghton  wrote:
> 
> Hi Pat,
> 
> Just a thought - are the iPhones on post-paid plans with the same service 
supplier as the landline?
> 
> If they are then it is possibly all the same problem - the supplier (or 
their automated account software) has shut/paused the account for some reason  
- should be easy to check with them.
> 
> If the landline is a different supplier and/or the phones are pre-paid 
then all the services/accounts are, in effect, separate - so it would be a 
strange coincidence for them all to fail at the same time?
> 
> I don't think you can blame the NBN they roll out their service well 
before they switch off the landlines and that would have no relevance to you 
mobile phone coverage anyway? 
> 
> Just my 2c worth  ;o)
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Neil
> -- 
> Neil R. Houghton
> Albany, Western Australia
> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
> Email: n...@possumology.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From:  on behalf of Pat 

> Reply-To: WAMUG 
> Date: Friday, 10 May 2019 at 14:49
> To: WAMUG 
> Subject: Re: Something I didn't buy
> 
>Thank you, Peter and Philippe. I have alerted the bank about this.
> 
>But it never rains but it pours, according to an old saying.  And this 
strange new problem has arisen: Both of our iPhones and our Landline phone are 
not functioning. They ring on an incoming call, but when we answer, our voices 
don’t register and a recorded voice says, “connection failed”. And if we try to 
ring out, we are told that our phone is not connected.
> 
>This made me think that perhaps the NBN caused us to be cut off, but 
according to the NBN map on the iiNet website our address is not undergoing any 
changes, and we can’t expect the NBN for a couple of years.
> 
>I haven’t wanted to use the ‘Cloud’ for phone calls, so I wondered if 
Apple was applying some subversive influence, but surely Apple is above that 
and they wouldn’t do anything to our Landline.
> 
>We are open to any suggestions of why this is happening. 
> 
>Hopefully,
>Pat
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 May 2019, at 07:5

Re: System migration to new computer

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Alan, I am glad to hear it all worked out well and thanks for the detailed 
feedback. 

Regards


Pete

> On 11 May 2019, at 12:12 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
>  
> Good to hear it all went well – there is always a great sense of relief when 
> that first boot-up shows all is well ;o)
>  
>  
> Cheers
>  
>  
> Neil
> --
> Neil R. Houghton
> Albany, Western Australia
> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
> Email: n...@possumology.com
>  
>  
> From:  on behalf of Alan Smith 
> 
> Reply-To: WAMUG 
> Date: Saturday, 11 May 2019 at 10:32
> To: WAMUG 
> Subject: Re: System migration to new computer
>  
> Migration was achieved successfully using Time Machine and Migration 
> Assistant.
>  
> Direct target mode was ruled out as an option because of the unreliability of 
> the MacBook Air.  The Apple Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter does work 
> with Thunderbolt 1, so there would have been no issue with the physical 
> connection.
>  
> Time Machine preferences were changed to exclude the 1TB MBA linked data 
> drive a few days before THE DAY.
>  
> Etre Check revealed some minor issues but decided not to spend time trying to 
> fix them on the unstable MBA.  A Disk Utility first aid scan in recovery mode 
> gave a final green tick but there were a number of could-not-repair items in 
> the log.  Decided to ignore these on the optimistic view that it was just the 
> MBA hardware and would not affect the data on TM.
>  
> We decided to update the MacMini OS before attempting migration.  On initial 
> set up just made sure the basic account settings were exactly the same as 
> used by the MBA.  This gave the opportunity to do a brief check that the new 
> computer actually worked with internet access, etc. 
>  
> Migration Assistant then launched.  No opportunity to set a ‘recovery date’ 
> so it had access to the complete backup, including data from the previously 
> attached external drive.
>  
> Four and a half hours later a fully operational computer with all the 
> expected MBA items installed.  Access to Music and Photos libraries and other 
> folders on the data drive continued to work as before with symbolic links 
> intact.  Traditional Apple: it just worked.
>  
> Two concluding comments.  One, my initial concerns about the linked data 
> drive affecting migration were unfounded.  Two, the MBA was turned on during 
> the migration process to enable quick access to internet help if needed.  
> Decision not to use direct target mode turned out to be the right one as the 
> MBA crashed several times during the few hours of the migration period.
>  
> Thank you Pete, Peter and Neil.  Your interest in this project and your 
> helpful input was appreciated.
>  
> Cheers
> Alan
>  
> 
> 
> On 9 May 2019, at 8:40 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
>  
> Thanks Alan, you're obviously under some time pressures but I would be keen 
> to hear the outcome of your process that ultimately works for your transition 
> - even if it is in a couple of weeks time.
>  
> Good luck.
>  
> Pete. 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
>  
> To:
> "WAMUG Mailing List" 
> Cc:
>  
> Sent:
> Thu, 9 May 2019 08:08:34 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: System migration to new computer
> 
> 
> Hi Neil
>  
> Just to clarify points about system migration.  My understanding from 
> reading, not practical experience, is that direct target mode will not work.  
> Macbook Air is mid 2012 model with Thunderbolt 1 ports and no ethernet.  Mac 
> Mini is 2018 model with Thunderbolt 3 ports plus ethernet.  Time Capsule has 
> ethernet ports.  Apple sell a Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter.  Simple 
> choice - use the Time Machine backup via ethernet.
>  
> The MBA OS is latest Mojave.  Assumption is that the Mac Mini will have 
> version 1 of Mojave OS.
>  
> Given the urgency of getting the system migrated, the MBA has not been fully 
> prepared with getting everything up to date and ancient apps deleted. It 
> probably has legacy stuff and file structures from a series of Mac migrations 
> over the years.  A complete clean install would be very nice, but b.i.l. does 
> not have the time for this.
>  
> Your input has been very valuable.  Not least to clarify the problems and 
> options. I will be visiting brother in law later this morning when we can 
> finalise plans and perhaps start the migration process.
>  
> Cheers
> Alan
>  
>  
>  
> On 8 May 2019, at 9:58 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
>  
> Hi Alan,
>  
>  
> Hmmm - not really what I have found. Obviously you cannot just clone the HD 
> from one machine

Re: System migration to new computer

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Alan,

 

Good to hear it all went well – there is always a great sense of relief when 
that first boot-up shows all is well ;o)

 

 

Cheers

 

 

Neil

-- 

Neil R. Houghton

Albany, Western Australia

Tel: +61 8 9841 6063

Email: n...@possumology.com

 

 

From:  on behalf of Alan Smith 

Reply-To: WAMUG 
Date: Saturday, 11 May 2019 at 10:32
To: WAMUG 
Subject: Re: System migration to new computer

 

Migration was achieved successfully using Time Machine and Migration Assistant.

 

Direct target mode was ruled out as an option because of the unreliability of 
the MacBook Air.  The Apple Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter does work 
with Thunderbolt 1, so there would have been no issue with the physical 
connection.

 

Time Machine preferences were changed to exclude the 1TB MBA linked data drive 
a few days before THE DAY.

 

Etre Check revealed some minor issues but decided not to spend time trying to 
fix them on the unstable MBA.  A Disk Utility first aid scan in recovery mode 
gave a final green tick but there were a number of could-not-repair items in 
the log.  Decided to ignore these on the optimistic view that it was just the 
MBA hardware and would not affect the data on TM.

 

We decided to update the MacMini OS before attempting migration.  On initial 
set up just made sure the basic account settings were exactly the same as used 
by the MBA.  This gave the opportunity to do a brief check that the new 
computer actually worked with internet access, etc. 

 

Migration Assistant then launched.  No opportunity to set a ‘recovery date’ so 
it had access to the complete backup, including data from the previously 
attached external drive.

 

Four and a half hours later a fully operational computer with all the expected 
MBA items installed.  Access to Music and Photos libraries and other folders on 
the data drive continued to work as before with symbolic links intact.  
Traditional Apple: it just worked.

 

Two concluding comments.  One, my initial concerns about the linked data drive 
affecting migration were unfounded.  Two, the MBA was turned on during the 
migration process to enable quick access to internet help if needed.  Decision 
not to use direct target mode turned out to be the right one as the MBA crashed 
several times during the few hours of the migration period.

 

Thank you Pete, Peter and Neil.  Your interest in this project and your helpful 
input was appreciated.

 

Cheers

Alan

 



On 9 May 2019, at 8:40 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 

Thanks Alan, you're obviously under some time pressures but I would be keen to 
hear the outcome of your process that ultimately works for your transition - 
even if it is in a couple of weeks time.

 

Good luck.

 

Pete. 



- Original Message -

From:

wamug@wamug.org.au

 

To:

"WAMUG Mailing List" 

Cc:

 

Sent:

Thu, 9 May 2019 08:08:34 +0800

Subject:

Re: System migration to new computer


Hi Neil

 

Just to clarify points about system migration.  My understanding from reading, 
not practical experience, is that direct target mode will not work.  Macbook 
Air is mid 2012 model with Thunderbolt 1 ports and no ethernet.  Mac Mini is 
2018 model with Thunderbolt 3 ports plus ethernet.  Time Capsule has ethernet 
ports.  Apple sell a Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter.  Simple choice - 
use the Time Machine backup via ethernet.

 

The MBA OS is latest Mojave.  Assumption is that the Mac Mini will have version 
1 of Mojave OS.

 

Given the urgency of getting the system migrated, the MBA has not been fully 
prepared with getting everything up to date and ancient apps deleted. It 
probably has legacy stuff and file structures from a series of Mac migrations 
over the years.  A complete clean install would be very nice, but b.i.l. does 
not have the time for this.

 

Your input has been very valuable.  Not least to clarify the problems and 
options. I will be visiting brother in law later this morning when we can 
finalise plans and perhaps start the migration process.

 

Cheers

Alan

 

 

 

On 8 May 2019, at 9:58 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:

 

Hi Alan,

 

 

Hmmm - not really what I have found. Obviously you cannot just clone the HD 
from one machine to a different computer model/vintage as many configuration 
files/systems are different. However, migration assistant allows you to select 
what you want to migrate anyway. 

 

 

At different times/scenarios I have sometimes migrated almost everything and 
sometimes opted for a clean system install and then manual installation of apps 
–among other factors, it tends to depend on how well the old system was running 
and/or whether I wanted to re-organise my filing organisation.

 

 

You do not say what OS you are running on the old and on the new computers – 
certainly, for me, jumping from OSX 10.6 direct to OSX 10.11 meant that many 
applications required updating and, for example, moving from Office 2004 to 
Office 365 (O

Re: System migration to new computer

[Alan Smith]

Migration was achieved successfully using Time Machine and Migration Assistant.

Direct target mode was ruled out as an option because of the unreliability of 
the MacBook Air.  The Apple Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter does work 
with Thunderbolt 1, so there would have been no issue with the physical 
connection.

Time Machine preferences were changed to exclude the 1TB MBA linked data drive 
a few days before THE DAY.

Etre Check revealed some minor issues but decided not to spend time trying to 
fix them on the unstable MBA.  A Disk Utility first aid scan in recovery mode 
gave a final green tick but there were a number of could-not-repair items in 
the log.  Decided to ignore these on the optimistic view that it was just the 
MBA hardware and would not affect the data on TM.

We decided to update the MacMini OS before attempting migration.  On initial 
set up just made sure the basic account settings were exactly the same as used 
by the MBA.  This gave the opportunity to do a brief check that the new 
computer actually worked with internet access, etc. 

Migration Assistant then launched.  No opportunity to set a ‘recovery date’ so 
it had access to the complete backup, including data from the previously 
attached external drive.

Four and a half hours later a fully operational computer with all the expected 
MBA items installed.  Access to Music and Photos libraries and other folders on 
the data drive continued to work as before with symbolic links intact.  
Traditional Apple: it just worked.

Two concluding comments.  One, my initial concerns about the linked data drive 
affecting migration were unfounded.  Two, the MBA was turned on during the 
migration process to enable quick access to internet help if needed.  Decision 
not to use direct target mode turned out to be the right one as the MBA crashed 
several times during the few hours of the migration period.

Thank you Pete, Peter and Neil.  Your interest in this project and your helpful 
input was appreciated.

Cheers
Alan


> On 9 May 2019, at 8:40 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
> 
> Thanks Alan, you're obviously under some time pressures but I would be keen 
> to hear the outcome of your process that ultimately works for your transition 
> - even if it is in a couple of weeks time.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Pete. 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> "WAMUG Mailing List" 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Thu, 9 May 2019 08:08:34 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: System migration to new computer
> 
> 
> Hi Neil
> 
> Just to clarify points about system migration.  My understanding from 
> reading, not practical experience, is that direct target mode will not work.  
> Macbook Air is mid 2012 model with Thunderbolt 1 ports and no ethernet.  Mac 
> Mini is 2018 model with Thunderbolt 3 ports plus ethernet.  Time Capsule has 
> ethernet ports.  Apple sell a Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter.  Simple 
> choice - use the Time Machine backup via ethernet.
> 
> The MBA OS is latest Mojave.  Assumption is that the Mac Mini will have 
> version 1 of Mojave OS.
> 
> Given the urgency of getting the system migrated, the MBA has not been fully 
> prepared with getting everything up to date and ancient apps deleted. It 
> probably has legacy stuff and file structures from a series of Mac migrations 
> over the years.  A complete clean install would be very nice, but b.i.l. does 
> not have the time for this.
> 
> Your input has been very valuable.  Not least to clarify the problems and 
> options. I will be visiting brother in law later this morning when we can 
> finalise plans and perhaps start the migration process.
> 
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 May 2019, at 9:58 pm, Neil Houghton  <mailto:n...@possumology.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
>  
> Hmmm - not really what I have found. Obviously you cannot just clone the HD 
> from one machine to a different computer model/vintage as many configuration 
> files/systems are different. However, migration assistant allows you to 
> select what you want to migrate anyway.
> 
>  
> At different times/scenarios I have sometimes migrated almost everything and 
> sometimes opted for a clean system install and then manual installation of 
> apps –among other factors, it tends to depend on how well the old system was 
> running and/or whether I wanted to re-organise my filing organisation.
> 
>  
> You do not say what OS you are running on the old and on the new computers – 
> certainly, for me, jumping from OSX 10.6 direct to OSX 10.11 meant that many 
> applications required updating and, for example, moving from Office 2004 to 
> Office 365 (Office 2016) had me glad that I still had a bootable  SL disc and 
> could download and run Offic

Re: Something I didn't buy

[Pat]

Hi, Neil,

Thanks for your reply.  I think the landline is back in business now, but the 2 
iPhones are not. They all use Telstra but the landline is handled by iiNet, and 
our payments go to them, and the iPhones are pre-paid on the Telstra web site. 
So the mystery remains: why don’t the iPhones work, and how can we fix things.

I know that the NBN is supposed to notify homeowners when they need to sign up, 
but our road is in a kind of enclave: homes on land on 2 sides of us are 
already using NBN, but supposedly it won’t get to our road for another year or 
two.  So it occurred to me that possibly someone turned off the old phone lines 
by mistake.  

Anyway, thanks again.

Pat


> On 10 May 2019, at 20:09, Neil Houghton  wrote:
> 
> Hi Pat,
> 
> Just a thought - are the iPhones on post-paid plans with the same service 
> supplier as the landline?
> 
> If they are then it is possibly all the same problem - the supplier (or their 
> automated account software) has shut/paused the account for some reason  - 
> should be easy to check with them.
> 
> If the landline is a different supplier and/or the phones are pre-paid then 
> all the services/accounts are, in effect, separate - so it would be a strange 
> coincidence for them all to fail at the same time?
> 
> I don't think you can blame the NBN they roll out their service well before 
> they switch off the landlines and that would have no relevance to you mobile 
> phone coverage anyway? 
> 
> Just my 2c worth  ;o)
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Neil
> -- 
> Neil R. Houghton
> Albany, Western Australia
> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
> Email: n...@possumology.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From:  on behalf of Pat 
> 
> Reply-To: WAMUG 
> Date: Friday, 10 May 2019 at 14:49
> To: WAMUG 
> Subject: Re: Something I didn't buy
> 
>Thank you, Peter and Philippe. I have alerted the bank about this.
> 
>But it never rains but it pours, according to an old saying.  And this 
> strange new problem has arisen: Both of our iPhones and our Landline phone 
> are not functioning. They ring on an incoming call, but when we answer, our 
> voices don’t register and a recorded voice says, “connection failed”. And if 
> we try to ring out, we are told that our phone is not connected.
> 
>This made me think that perhaps the NBN caused us to be cut off, but 
> according to the NBN map on the iiNet website our address is not undergoing 
> any changes, and we can’t expect the NBN for a couple of years.
> 
>I haven’t wanted to use the ‘Cloud’ for phone calls, so I wondered if 
> Apple was applying some subversive influence, but surely Apple is above that 
> and they wouldn’t do anything to our Landline.
> 
>We are open to any suggestions of why this is happening. 
> 
>Hopefully,
>Pat
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 May 2019, at 07:57, Peter Hinchliffe  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9 May 2019, at 9:42 pm, Pat  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I received an email today which may or may not have come from Apple. It 
>>> says, “Your Apple Subscription Receipt” (to Netflix). But, I did not order 
>>> a subscription. I think it is probably a scam, although it looks very 
>>> authentic. One anomaly is that where it says ‘you can cancel a Subscription 
>>> at any time: Cancel/Refund Subscription’  there is no URL.
>>> 
>>> The email did not say ‘No Reply’, so I did reply, but it bounced.
>>> 
>>> What recourse do I have?
>>> 
>> 
>> 1. Always, always, ALWAYS make it your first order of business to check the 
>> sending address of the email. If it has genuinely come from Apple, the 
>> sending address will end in .apple.com. If its some variant of 
>> .apple.xxx.com, or something else that doesn’t evem contain the word 
>> “apple”, you can be sure it didn’t come from anyone at Apple. Likewise, a 
>> genuine email from Netflix will end in .netflix.com, not some variant of 
>> .netflix.xxx.com. You can check the sending address byt rolling over the 
>> address at the very top of the email and clicking on the little disclosure 
>> trinagle that appears (assuming you’re using Mail). 
>> 
>> 2. Never, never, NEVER reply to suspicious emails. It’s just inviting a ton 
>> of trouble. It confirms that your email address is real, inviting a 
>> potential flood of spam from the same source or others.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
>> Perth, Western Australia
>> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
>> 

Re: Something I didn't buy

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Pat,

Just a thought - are the iPhones on post-paid plans with the same service 
supplier as the landline?

If they are then it is possibly all the same problem - the supplier (or their 
automated account software) has shut/paused the account for some reason  - 
should be easy to check with them.

If the landline is a different supplier and/or the phones are pre-paid then all 
the services/accounts are, in effect, separate - so it would be a strange 
coincidence for them all to fail at the same time?

I don't think you can blame the NBN they roll out their service well before 
they switch off the landlines and that would have no relevance to you mobile 
phone coverage anyway? 

Just my 2c worth  ;o)


Cheers


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-Original Message-
From:  on behalf of Pat 

Reply-To: WAMUG 
Date: Friday, 10 May 2019 at 14:49
To: WAMUG 
Subject: Re: Something I didn't buy

Thank you, Peter and Philippe. I have alerted the bank about this.

But it never rains but it pours, according to an old saying.  And this 
strange new problem has arisen: Both of our iPhones and our Landline phone are 
not functioning. They ring on an incoming call, but when we answer, our voices 
don’t register and a recorded voice says, “connection failed”. And if we try to 
ring out, we are told that our phone is not connected.

This made me think that perhaps the NBN caused us to be cut off, but 
according to the NBN map on the iiNet website our address is not undergoing any 
changes, and we can’t expect the NBN for a couple of years.

I haven’t wanted to use the ‘Cloud’ for phone calls, so I wondered if Apple 
was applying some subversive influence, but surely Apple is above that and they 
wouldn’t do anything to our Landline.

We are open to any suggestions of why this is happening. 

Hopefully,
Pat




> On 10 May 2019, at 07:57, Peter Hinchliffe  
wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9 May 2019, at 9:42 pm, Pat  wrote:
>> 
>> I received an email today which may or may not have come from Apple. It 
says, “Your Apple Subscription Receipt” (to Netflix). But, I did not order a 
subscription. I think it is probably a scam, although it looks very authentic. 
One anomaly is that where it says ‘you can cancel a Subscription at any time: 
Cancel/Refund Subscription’  there is no URL.
>> 
>> The email did not say ‘No Reply’, so I did reply, but it bounced.
>> 
>> What recourse do I have?
>> 
> 
> 1. Always, always, ALWAYS make it your first order of business to check 
the sending address of the email. If it has genuinely come from Apple, the 
sending address will end in .apple.com. If its some variant of .apple.xxx.com, 
or something else that doesn’t evem contain the word “apple”, you can be sure 
it didn’t come from anyone at Apple. Likewise, a genuine email from Netflix 
will end in .netflix.com, not some variant of .netflix.xxx.com. You can check 
the sending address byt rolling over the address at the very top of the email 
and clicking on the little disclosure trinagle that appears (assuming you’re 
using Mail). 
> 
> 2. Never, never, NEVER reply to suspicious emails. It’s just inviting a 
ton of trouble. It confirms that your email address is real, inviting a 
potential flood of spam from the same source or others.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
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Re: Apple TV 4K 32GB or 64GB ?

[Ronni Brown]

Hi again Stephen,

This from UK website:

“The Apple TV 4K was unveiled in September 2017, and it's pretty great, but 
we're never satisfied with what we've got. Instead, we're looking ahead to the 
next version of the Apple TV: the sixth-generation model, which we hoped would 
be unveiled at the same time as when Apple announced its plans for Apple TV+, 
but it failed to materialise at the 25 March event.
The Apple TV is Apple's set-top box that combines a digital media player, a 
games machine and a platform for apps with the ability to stream content from 
iOS devices and Macs to a TV. Apple used to describe the Apple TV as a 'hobby' 
product, but it looks like Apple is finally ready to transform the television 
industry as Steve Jobs told his autobiographer it would. Read about Apple's 
television streaming plans here.

But despite Apple's plans to take on Netflix and Amazon with its new on-demand 
TV service, the future of the Apple TV set-top-box is uncertain. In fact, it is 
possible that Apple won't launch another Apple TV box, preferring instead to 
partner with TV manufacturers.”

Read more here: https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple/new-apple-tv-3663891/

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 10 May 2019, at 5:51 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> Purchase the Apple TV 4K - 64GB that’s what I purchased when it was first 
> released and I’m very happy with it, much improved on previous Apple TV 
> models.
> https://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-tv/apple-tv-4k/64gb
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
>> On 10 May 2019, at 4:41 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> I have an old Apple TV Gen 2 and am considering upgrading to the above.
>> I use mine for accessing iTunes on my iMac for Family Videos, Music and 
>> watching some movies.
>> 
>> But I feel that because I have an LG 4K UHD Smart TV, the old ATV is 
>> under-used.
>> I would like to be able to watch 4K UHD movies on my LG TV.
>> 
>> How to decide if I need 32GB or 64GB is one question ?
>> But also are things likely to change later this year with Apple’s upcoming 
>> new ATV services ?
>> And what will those be?
>> And how will they work?
>> 
>> I cannot find much basic info online that would answer my questions.
>> So would love to hear other members ideas or any knowledge they have please ?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Stephen Chape
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Apple TV 4K 32GB or 64GB ?

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Stephen,

Purchase the Apple TV 4K - 64GB that’s what I purchased when it was first 
released and I’m very happy with it, much improved on previous Apple TV models.
https://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-tv/apple-tv-4k/64gb

Kind Regards,
Ronni

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> On 10 May 2019, at 4:41 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> I have an old Apple TV Gen 2 and am considering upgrading to the above.
> I use mine for accessing iTunes on my iMac for Family Videos, Music and 
> watching some movies.
> 
> But I feel that because I have an LG 4K UHD Smart TV, the old ATV is 
> under-used.
> I would like to be able to watch 4K UHD movies on my LG TV.
> 
> How to decide if I need 32GB or 64GB is one question ?
> But also are things likely to change later this year with Apple’s upcoming 
> new ATV services ?
> And what will those be?
> And how will they work?
> 
> I cannot find much basic info online that would answer my questions.
> So would love to hear other members ideas or any knowledge they have please ?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Stephen Chape
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Something I didn't buy

[Pat]

Thank you, Peter and Philippe. I have alerted the bank about this.

But it never rains but it pours, according to an old saying.  And this strange 
new problem has arisen: Both of our iPhones and our Landline phone are not 
functioning. They ring on an incoming call, but when we answer, our voices 
don’t register and a recorded voice says, “connection failed”. And if we try to 
ring out, we are told that our phone is not connected.

This made me think that perhaps the NBN caused us to be cut off, but according 
to the NBN map on the iiNet website our address is not undergoing any changes, 
and we can’t expect the NBN for a couple of years.

I haven’t wanted to use the ‘Cloud’ for phone calls, so I wondered if Apple was 
applying some subversive influence, but surely Apple is above that and they 
wouldn’t do anything to our Landline.

We are open to any suggestions of why this is happening. 

Hopefully,
Pat




> On 10 May 2019, at 07:57, Peter Hinchliffe  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9 May 2019, at 9:42 pm, Pat  wrote:
>> 
>> I received an email today which may or may not have come from Apple. It 
>> says, “Your Apple Subscription Receipt” (to Netflix). But, I did not order a 
>> subscription. I think it is probably a scam, although it looks very 
>> authentic. One anomaly is that where it says ‘you can cancel a Subscription 
>> at any time: Cancel/Refund Subscription’  there is no URL.
>> 
>> The email did not say ‘No Reply’, so I did reply, but it bounced.
>> 
>> What recourse do I have?
>> 
> 
> 1. Always, always, ALWAYS make it your first order of business to check the 
> sending address of the email. If it has genuinely come from Apple, the 
> sending address will end in .apple.com. If its some variant of 
> .apple.xxx.com, or something else that doesn’t evem contain the word “apple”, 
> you can be sure it didn’t come from anyone at Apple. Likewise, a genuine 
> email from Netflix will end in .netflix.com, not some variant of 
> .netflix.xxx.com. You can check the sending address byt rolling over the 
> address at the very top of the email and clicking on the little disclosure 
> trinagle that appears (assuming you’re using Mail). 
> 
> 2. Never, never, NEVER reply to suspicious emails. It’s just inviting a ton 
> of trouble. It confirms that your email address is real, inviting a potential 
> flood of spam from the same source or others.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
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Re: System migration to new computer

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Alan,

 

 

So, I understand that you are not able to use direct Target mode without 
purchasing a suitable adaptor or cable to connect the different Thunderbolt 
ports. (As you are probably aware, the Thunderbolt 3 port is physically the 
same as the new USB C connector.)

 

 

You do have another option to use Migration assistant from your actual current 
system/setup rather than the Time machine backup – provided you have a suitable 
available Hard drive – eg if you have a new HD earmarked as the new TM drive 
for the new computer.

Assuming that you have the requisite cable to connect the clean HD to both 
computers – clone the old computer to the new HD, connect the HD to the new 
computer and use it as the source for the migration. Once completed, of course, 
you could then erase it and use it as your new TM drive.

 

Of course, this approach may not be desirable/appropriate for you or you might 
just prefer to use your TM backup – I just throw it out there as a possible 
option.

 

Hope it all goes smoothly.

 

 

Cheers

 

 

Neil

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Tel: +61 8 9841 6063

Email: n...@possumology.com

 

 

From:  on behalf of Alan Smith 

Reply-To: WAMUG 
Date: Thursday, 09 May 2019 at 08:08
To: WAMUG 
Subject: Re: System migration to new computer

 

Hi Neil

 

Just to clarify points about system migration.  My understanding from reading, 
not practical experience, is that direct target mode will not work.  Macbook 
Air is mid 2012 model with Thunderbolt 1 ports and no ethernet.  Mac Mini is 
2018 model with Thunderbolt 3 ports plus ethernet.  Time Capsule has ethernet 
ports.  Apple sell a Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter.  Simple choice - 
use the Time Machine backup via ethernet.

 

The MBA OS is latest Mojave.  Assumption is that the Mac Mini will have version 
1 of Mojave OS.

 

Given the urgency of getting the system migrated, the MBA has not been fully 
prepared with getting everything up to date and ancient apps deleted. It 
probably has legacy stuff and file structures from a series of Mac migrations 
over the years.  A complete clean install would be very nice, but b.i.l. does 
not have the time for this.

 

Your input has been very valuable.  Not least to clarify the problems and 
options. I will be visiting brother in law later this morning when we can 
finalise plans and perhaps start the migration process.

 

Cheers

Alan

 

 

 

On 8 May 2019, at 9:58 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:

 

Hi Alan,

 

Hmmm - not really what I have found. Obviously you cannot just clone the HD 
from one machine to a different computer model/vintage as many configuration 
files/systems are different. However, migration assistant allows you to select 
what you want to migrate anyway. 

 

At different times/scenarios I have sometimes migrated almost everything and 
sometimes opted for a clean system install and then manual installation of apps 
–among other factors, it tends to depend on how well the old system was running 
and/or whether I wanted to re-organise my filing organisation.

 

You do not say what OS you are running on the old and on the new computers – 
certainly, for me, jumping from OSX 10.6 direct to OSX 10.11 meant that many 
applications required updating and, for example, moving from Office 2004 to 
Office 365 (Office 2016) had me glad that I still had a bootable  SL disc and 
could download and run Office 2011 which was a big help in the transition.

 

Generally, I would say, the simplest/easiest migrations for me have been 
booting the old machine into target disk mode and then running migration 
assistant – but there have certainly been times when I chose another route.

 

 

Others may have their own opinions as to the best methods.

 

 

HTH

 

 

Cheers

 

 

 

Neil

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Albany, Western Australia

Tel: +61 8 9841 6063

Email: n...@possumology.com

 

 

From:  on behalf of Alan Smith 

Reply-To: WAMUG 
Date: Wednesday, 08 May 2019 at 16:46
To: WAMUG 
Subject: Re: System migration to new computer

 

Hi Neil

 

Good to read about your setup and rationale for backups. And advice about other 
actions. Most Apple KB and help files only explain the simple one computer 
scenario.

 

You questioned why a direct mac to mac migration was not first choice. My 
favourite on-line Mac expert (Howard Oakley) looks at various parameters of the 
two macs involved in migration. He points out the old mac may have a newer 
macOS version than the new mac and will probably fail the initial Migration 
attempt. A move from an old iMac to a new iMac is relatively simple as there is 
little “distance" between them.  But there is a big distance between a MacBook 
Air and a Mac mini. He comments on five actual migration methods.  Here are the 
first three: Direct mac to mac is best if similar models and hardware are on 
each. Time Machine is first choice with older systems and more different 
models. An external disk with clo

Re: Something I didn't buy

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Pat,

I know this has been covered before but probably bears repeating:

When Peter says check the sending address - you need to actually examine the 
headers in the message source - it is very easy to just "SPOOF" the "From" 
address to match any address. This is a common spamming technique to make 
people think that SPAM is genuine.

Often on mailing lists I see warnings to people that their email account has 
been hacked just because SPAM has been sent to the list with a real member's 
"From" address. In most cases it does not mean their email account has been 
hacked, it just means that the Spammer spoofed a member's from address to be 
able to post to a member-only list.

Examining the message source code is also an easy way to see where links in the 
email actually end up - often the link that looks to be an Apple.com link 
actually goes to an obviously false domain - but sometimes more sophisticated 
operators even register domain name that look authentic but do not belong to 
the actual company being imitated.

I know Peter is well aware of this, as are most WAMUG members - it has often 
been discussed before - but I still find people being caught out by this - so 
possible worth repeating.


Cheers


Neil
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-Original Message-
From:  on behalf of Peter 
Hinchliffe 
Reply-To: WAMUG 
Date: Friday, 10 May 2019 at 07:57
To: WAMUG 
Subject: Re: Something I didn't buy



> On 9 May 2019, at 9:42 pm, Pat  wrote:
> 
> I received an email today which may or may not have come from Apple. It 
says, “Your Apple Subscription Receipt” (to Netflix). But, I did not order a 
subscription. I think it is probably a scam, although it looks very authentic. 
One anomaly is that where it says ‘you can cancel a Subscription at any time: 
Cancel/Refund Subscription’  there is no URL.
> 
> The email did not say ‘No Reply’, so I did reply, but it bounced.
> 
> What recourse do I have?
> 

1. Always, always, ALWAYS make it your first order of business to check the 
sending address of the email. If it has genuinely come from Apple, the sending 
address will end in .apple.com. If its some variant of .apple.xxx.com, or 
something else that doesn’t evem contain the word “apple”, you can be sure it 
didn’t come from anyone at Apple. Likewise, a genuine email from Netflix will 
end in .netflix.com, not some variant of .netflix.xxx.com. You can check the 
sending address byt rolling over the address at the very top of the email and 
clicking on the little disclosure trinagle that appears (assuming you’re using 
Mail). 

2. Never, never, NEVER reply to suspicious emails. It’s just inviting a ton 
of trouble. It confirms that your email address is real, inviting a potential 
flood of spam from the same source or others.

Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

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Re: Something I didn't buy

[petercrisp]

Yes, I concur with Peter (H)'s advice there. You do not want to fall
for the bait of replying to something the slightest bit dodgy looking.
My wife who is very disciplined in reviewing daily all credit card
transactions on the banking app recently noted 5 transactions in the
space of 24 hours. Chronologically > $0.99, $0.99, $67.00, $154.00,
$167.00. They were ALL transactions from Apple on the credit card
statement. Upon noting this, she immediately called the bank to report
and shut down the credit card which had clearly been compromised. The
$0.99 transactions were the giveaway "test" transactions by the
perpetrator as a means to test the card for being able to be hit with
dodgy transactions. All costs were reimbursed and a new physical card
issued. Fortunately through all of this, Apple Pay continues to
function with no discontinuity, so is a good thing to have set up as a
fallback should you ever find yourself in this position of reluctance
to cancel your card, you can still buy stuff over the counter. 

Regards
Pete.
Go Eagles! and Pies!

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:
Cc:
Sent:Fri, 10 May 2019 07:57:38 +0800
Subject:Re: Something I didn't buy

 > On 9 May 2019, at 9:42 pm, Pat  wrote:
 > 
 > I received an email today which may or may not have come from
Apple. It says, “Your Apple Subscription Receipt” (to Netflix).
But, I did not order a subscription. I think it is probably a scam,
although it looks very authentic. One anomaly is that where it says
‘you can cancel a Subscription at any time: Cancel/Refund
Subscription’ there is no URL.
 > 
 > The email did not say ‘No Reply’, so I did reply, but it
bounced.
 > 
 > What recourse do I have?
 > 

 1. Always, always, ALWAYS make it your first order of business to
check the sending address of the email. If it has genuinely come from
Apple, the sending address will end in .apple.com. If its some variant
of .apple.xxx.com, or something else that doesn’t evem contain the
word “apple”, you can be sure it didn’t come from anyone at
Apple. Likewise, a genuine email from Netflix will end in
.netflix.com, not some variant of .netflix.xxx.com. You can check the
sending address byt rolling over the address at the very top of the
email and clicking on the little disclosure trinagle that appears
(assuming you’re using Mail). 

 2. Never, never, NEVER reply to suspicious emails. It’s just
inviting a ton of trouble. It confirms that your email address is
real, inviting a potential flood of spam from the same source or
others.

 Kind regards,

 Peter Hinchliffe Apwin Computer Services
 FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
 Perth, Western Australia
 Phone (618) 9332 6482 Mob 0403 046 948
 
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Re: Something I didn't buy

[Peter Hinchliffe]

> On 9 May 2019, at 9:42 pm, Pat  wrote:
> 
> I received an email today which may or may not have come from Apple. It says, 
> “Your Apple Subscription Receipt” (to Netflix). But, I did not order a 
> subscription. I think it is probably a scam, although it looks very 
> authentic. One anomaly is that where it says ‘you can cancel a Subscription 
> at any time: Cancel/Refund Subscription’  there is no URL.
> 
> The email did not say ‘No Reply’, so I did reply, but it bounced.
> 
> What recourse do I have?
> 

1. Always, always, ALWAYS make it your first order of business to check the 
sending address of the email. If it has genuinely come from Apple, the sending 
address will end in .apple.com. If its some variant of .apple.xxx.com, or 
something else that doesn’t evem contain the word “apple”, you can be sure it 
didn’t come from anyone at Apple. Likewise, a genuine email from Netflix will 
end in .netflix.com, not some variant of .netflix.xxx.com. You can check the 
sending address byt rolling over the address at the very top of the email and 
clicking on the little disclosure trinagle that appears (assuming you’re using 
Mail). 

2. Never, never, NEVER reply to suspicious emails. It’s just inviting a ton of 
trouble. It confirms that your email address is real, inviting a potential 
flood of spam from the same source or others.

Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

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Re: Something I didn't buy

[Philippe Chaperon]

Hi Pat, 

The first thing I would do, in such a case, is to check my bank account to 
ensure that no money was taken out without your permission, which you most 
probably have done. 

The receipts I get from Apple, music and application purchases and my 
subscription to iCloud, are in the form of a Tax Invoice showing my Apple ID - 
my registered email with Apple, Billed To - my Credit Card last four digits, my 
names in full and my home address, Order ID- a ten character string of letters 
and numbers, Document No. - a twelve digits string of numbers. 

The Tax Invoice has many links to Apple’s website etc. 

So, it would appear, if no funds were taken from your bank account, that this 
is some form of scam. Others could confirm if your deduction and mine are 
correct. 

Best Regards & good night, 

Philippe C. 

On 9 May 2019, at 9:42 pm, Pat  wrote:

I received an email today which may or may not have come from Apple. It says, 
“Your Apple Subscription Receipt” (to Netflix). But, I did not order a 
subscription. I think it is probably a scam, although it looks very authentic. 
One anomaly is that where it says ‘you can cancel a Subscription at any time: 
Cancel/Refund Subscription’  there is no URL.

The email did not say ‘No Reply’, so I did reply, but it bounced.

What recourse do I have?

Cheers,
Pat
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Re: System migration to new computer

[petercrisp]

Thanks Alan, you're obviously under some time pressures but I would be
keen to hear the outcome of your process that ultimately works for
your transition - even if it is in a couple of weeks time.
Good luck.
Pete. 

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:"WAMUG Mailing List" 
Cc:
Sent:Thu, 9 May 2019 08:08:34 +0800
Subject:Re: System migration to new computer

 Hi Neil
Just to clarify points about system migration.  My understanding from
reading, not practical experience, is that direct target mode will not
work.  Macbook Air is mid 2012 model with Thunderbolt 1 ports and no
ethernet.  Mac Mini is 2018 model with Thunderbolt 3 ports plus
ethernet.  Time Capsule has ethernet ports.  Apple sell a
Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter.  Simple choice - use the Time
Machine backup via ethernet.
The MBA OS is latest Mojave.  Assumption is that the Mac Mini will
have version 1 of Mojave OS.
Given the urgency of getting the system migrated, the MBA has not been
fully prepared with getting everything up to date and ancient apps
deleted. It probably has legacy stuff and file structures from a
series of Mac migrations over the years.  A complete clean install
would be very nice, but b.i.l. does not have the time for this.
Your input has been very valuable.  Not least to clarify the problems
and options. I will be visiting brother in law later this morning when
we can finalise plans and perhaps start the migration process.
CheersAlan

On 8 May 2019, at 9:58 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
Hi Alan,

 Hmmm - not really what I have found. Obviously you cannot just
clone the HD from one machine to a different computer model/vintage as
many configuration files/systems are different. However, migration
assistant allows you to select what you want to migrate anyway. 

 At different times/scenarios I have sometimes migrated almost
everything and sometimes opted for a clean system install and then
manual installation of apps –among other factors, it tends to depend
on how well the old system was running and/or whether I wanted to
re-organise my filing organisation.

 You do not say what OS you are running on the old and on the new
computers – certainly, for me, jumping from OSX 10.6 direct to OSX
10.11 meant that many applications required updating and, for example,
moving from Office 2004 to Office 365 (Office 2016) had me glad that I
still had a bootable  SL disc and could download and run Office 2011
which was a big help in the transition.

 Generally, I would say, the simplest/easiest migrations for me have
been booting the old machine into target disk mode and then running
migration assistant – but there have certainly been times when I
chose another route.

 

 Others may have their own opinions as to the best methods.

 

 HTH

 

 Cheers

 

 

 Neil

-- 

Neil R. Houghton

Albany, Western Australia

Tel: +61 8 9841 6063

Email: n...@possumology.com [2]

 

 

FROM:  on behalf of Alan Smith 
REPLY-TO: WAMUG 
DATE: Wednesday, 08 May 2019 at 16:46
TO: WAMUG 
SUBJECT: Re: System migration to new computer

 

Hi Neil

 

Good to read about your setup and rationale for backups. And advice
about other actions. Most Apple KB and help files only explain the
simple one computer scenario.

 

You questioned why a direct mac to mac migration was not first
choice. My favourite on-line Mac expert (Howard Oakley) looks at
various parameters of the two macs involved in migration. He points
out the old mac may have a newer macOS version than the new mac and
will probably fail the initial Migration attempt. A move from an old
iMac to a new iMac is relatively simple as there is little
“distance" between them.  But there is a big distance between a
MacBook Air and a Mac mini. He comments on five actual migration
methods.  Here are the first three: Direct mac to mac is best if
similar models and hardware are on each. Time Machine is first choice
with older systems and more different models. An external disk with
clone of old Mac is a good source for manual migration.

 

I would not be surprised if the first attempt using Migration
Assistant failed and that the Mac Mini will have to be updated to the
current version of Mojave before proceeding.   Reminder: turn OFF
automatic updates of the MBA OS before the migration task begins!

 

Cheers

Alan

On 8 May 2019, at 2:23 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:

 

Hi Alan, Hi Peter,

 

I can sympathise with your predicaments – I recently upgraded two
iMacs and a laptop from Snow Leopard 10.6 to El Capitan 10.11 and,
just to complicate things, the main iMac was running from an external
drive since the internal hard drive had previously died (the external
drive was initially a 

Re: System migration to new computer

[Alan Smith]

Hi Neil

Just to clarify points about system migration.  My understanding from reading, 
not practical experience, is that direct target mode will not work.  Macbook 
Air is mid 2012 model with Thunderbolt 1 ports and no ethernet.  Mac Mini is 
2018 model with Thunderbolt 3 ports plus ethernet.  Time Capsule has ethernet 
ports.  Apple sell a Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter.  Simple choice - 
use the Time Machine backup via ethernet.

The MBA OS is latest Mojave.  Assumption is that the Mac Mini will have version 
1 of Mojave OS.

Given the urgency of getting the system migrated, the MBA has not been fully 
prepared with getting everything up to date and ancient apps deleted. It 
probably has legacy stuff and file structures from a series of Mac migrations 
over the years.  A complete clean install would be very nice, but b.i.l. does 
not have the time for this.

Your input has been very valuable.  Not least to clarify the problems and 
options. I will be visiting brother in law later this morning when we can 
finalise plans and perhaps start the migration process.

Cheers
Alan



> On 8 May 2019, at 9:58 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
>  
> Hmmm - not really what I have found. Obviously you cannot just clone the HD 
> from one machine to a different computer model/vintage as many configuration 
> files/systems are different. However, migration assistant allows you to 
> select what you want to migrate anyway.
>  
> At different times/scenarios I have sometimes migrated almost everything and 
> sometimes opted for a clean system install and then manual installation of 
> apps –among other factors, it tends to depend on how well the old system was 
> running and/or whether I wanted to re-organise my filing organisation.
>  
> You do not say what OS you are running on the old and on the new computers – 
> certainly, for me, jumping from OSX 10.6 direct to OSX 10.11 meant that many 
> applications required updating and, for example, moving from Office 2004 to 
> Office 365 (Office 2016) had me glad that I still had a bootable  SL disc and 
> could download and run Office 2011 which was a big help in the transition.
>  
> Generally, I would say, the simplest/easiest migrations for me have been 
> booting the old machine into target disk mode and then running migration 
> assistant – but there have certainly been times when I chose another route.
>  
>  
> Others may have their own opinions as to the best methods.
>  
>  
> HTH
>  
>  
> Cheers
>  
>  
>  
> Neil
> --
> Neil R. Houghton
> Albany, Western Australia
> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
> Email: n...@possumology.com
>  
>  
> From:  on behalf of Alan Smith 
> 
> Reply-To: WAMUG 
> Date: Wednesday, 08 May 2019 at 16:46
> To: WAMUG 
> Subject: Re: System migration to new computer
>  
> Hi Neil
>  
> Good to read about your setup and rationale for backups. And advice about 
> other actions. Most Apple KB and help files only explain the simple one 
> computer scenario.
>  
> You questioned why a direct mac to mac migration was not first choice. My 
> favourite on-line Mac expert (Howard Oakley) looks at various parameters of 
> the two macs involved in migration. He points out the old mac may have a 
> newer macOS version than the new mac and will probably fail the initial 
> Migration attempt. A move from an old iMac to a new iMac is relatively simple 
> as there is little “distance" between them.  But there is a big distance 
> between a MacBook Air and a Mac mini. He comments on five actual migration 
> methods.  Here are the first three: Direct mac to mac is best if similar 
> models and hardware are on each. Time Machine is first choice with older 
> systems and more different models. An external disk with clone of old Mac is 
> a good source for manual migration.
>  
> I would not be surprised if the first attempt using Migration Assistant 
> failed and that the Mac Mini will have to be updated to the current version 
> of Mojave before proceeding.   Reminder: turn OFF automatic updates of the 
> MBA OS before the migration task begins!
>  
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> 
>> On 8 May 2019, at 2:23 pm, Neil Houghton > <mailto:n...@possumology.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Alan, Hi Peter,
>>  
>> I can sympathise with your predicaments – I recently upgraded two iMacs and 
>> a laptop from Snow Leopard 10.6 to El Capitan 10.11 and, just to complicate 
>> things, the main iMac was running from an external drive since the internal 
>> hard drive had previously died (the external drive was initially a clone of 
>> the dead HD pre-failure). I decided to rebuild the iMac with an internal SSD 
>> and an internal 3TB HD (setup with 3 partitions) along with bump

Re: System migration to new computer

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Alan,

 

Hmmm - not really what I have found. Obviously you cannot just clone the HD 
from one machine to a different computer model/vintage as many configuration 
files/systems are different. However, migration assistant allows you to select 
what you want to migrate anyway. 

 

At different times/scenarios I have sometimes migrated almost everything and 
sometimes opted for a clean system install and then manual installation of apps 
–among other factors, it tends to depend on how well the old system was running 
and/or whether I wanted to re-organise my filing organisation.

 

You do not say what OS you are running on the old and on the new computers – 
certainly, for me, jumping from OSX 10.6 direct to OSX 10.11 meant that many 
applications required updating and, for example, moving from Office 2004 to 
Office 365 (Office 2016) had me glad that I still had a bootable  SL disc and 
could download and run Office 2011 which was a big help in the transition.

 

Generally, I would say, the simplest/easiest migrations for me have been 
booting the old machine into target disk mode and then running migration 
assistant – but there have certainly been times when I chose another route.

 

 

Others may have their own opinions as to the best methods.

 

 

HTH

 

 

Cheers

 

 

 

Neil

-- 

Neil R. Houghton

Albany, Western Australia

Tel: +61 8 9841 6063

Email: n...@possumology.com

 

 

From:  on behalf of Alan Smith 

Reply-To: WAMUG 
Date: Wednesday, 08 May 2019 at 16:46
To: WAMUG 
Subject: Re: System migration to new computer

 

Hi Neil

 

Good to read about your setup and rationale for backups. And advice about other 
actions. Most Apple KB and help files only explain the simple one computer 
scenario.

 

You questioned why a direct mac to mac migration was not first choice. My 
favourite on-line Mac expert (Howard Oakley) looks at various parameters of the 
two macs involved in migration. He points out the old mac may have a newer 
macOS version than the new mac and will probably fail the initial Migration 
attempt. A move from an old iMac to a new iMac is relatively simple as there is 
little “distance" between them.  But there is a big distance between a MacBook 
Air and a Mac mini. He comments on five actual migration methods.  Here are the 
first three: Direct mac to mac is best if similar models and hardware are on 
each. Time Machine is first choice with older systems and more different 
models. An external disk with clone of old Mac is a good source for manual 
migration.

 

I would not be surprised if the first attempt using Migration Assistant failed 
and that the Mac Mini will have to be updated to the current version of Mojave 
before proceeding.   Reminder: turn OFF automatic updates of the MBA OS before 
the migration task begins!

 

Cheers

Alan



On 8 May 2019, at 2:23 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:

 

Hi Alan, Hi Peter,

 

I can sympathise with your predicaments – I recently upgraded two iMacs and a 
laptop from Snow Leopard 10.6 to El Capitan 10.11 and, just to complicate 
things, the main iMac was running from an external drive since the internal 
hard drive had previously died (the external drive was initially a clone of the 
dead HD pre-failure). I decided to rebuild the iMac with an internal SSD and an 
internal 3TB HD (setup with 3 partitions) along with bumping the RAM up. The 
main iMac is just used by myself. The laptop is used by myself and Georgie. The 
second iMac is to be Georgie’s main desktop but also has my account so I can 
use it as a backup machine in the event of a failure of the main iMac.

 

I realise that my situation does not reflect yours ;o)  However, the fact that 
each machine had TM backups and Superduper clones and the new main iMac now has 
4 logical internal drives (SSD & 3 HD partitions) and I need TM and Superduper 
clones of everything going forward means I have had to think about migrations, 
backups and clones a fair bit! For the main iMac, for example, Time machine 
backs up all 4 drives in one backup but the SuperDuper clones have to be done 
on a disk-by-disk basis (though one partition is still empty – earmarked for a 
media libray disk).

 

For what it is worth, a few of my thoughts are:

 

Have a clear strategy of what you intend to use each machine and disk for and 
what is the main/secondary/tertiary backup methods:

· For example all three of our computers will continue to be used 
albeit with different primary uses (mine, Georgie’s and joint travel computer) 
– your approach may be different if you intend to just migrate to the new 
computer and retire the old one than if you intend to keep using the laptop as 
well as the new mac mini (since you say the laptop is unreliable you are 
possibly just going to retire it?)

· We use both DropBox and OneDrive to keep most of our user data in 
synch between machines – so the cloud accounts become the de-facto main 
off-site backup for this but, since I 

Re: System migration to new computer

[Alan Smith]

Hi Neil

Good to read about your setup and rationale for backups. And advice about other 
actions. Most Apple KB and help files only explain the simple one computer 
scenario.

You questioned why a direct mac to mac migration was not first choice. My 
favourite on-line Mac expert (Howard Oakley) looks at various parameters of the 
two macs involved in migration. He points out the old mac may have a newer 
macOS version than the new mac and will probably fail the initial Migration 
attempt. A move from an old iMac to a new iMac is relatively simple as there is 
little “distance" between them.  But there is a big distance between a MacBook 
Air and a Mac mini. He comments on five actual migration methods.  Here are the 
first three: Direct mac to mac is best if similar models and hardware are on 
each. Time Machine is first choice with older systems and more different 
models. An external disk with clone of old Mac is a good source for manual 
migration.

I would not be surprised if the first attempt using Migration Assistant failed 
and that the Mac Mini will have to be updated to the current version of Mojave 
before proceeding.   Reminder: turn OFF automatic updates of the MBA OS before 
the migration task begins!

Cheers
Alan

> On 8 May 2019, at 2:23 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan, Hi Peter,
>  
> I can sympathise with your predicaments – I recently upgraded two iMacs and a 
> laptop from Snow Leopard 10.6 to El Capitan 10.11 and, just to complicate 
> things, the main iMac was running from an external drive since the internal 
> hard drive had previously died (the external drive was initially a clone of 
> the dead HD pre-failure). I decided to rebuild the iMac with an internal SSD 
> and an internal 3TB HD (setup with 3 partitions) along with bumping the RAM 
> up. The main iMac is just used by myself. The laptop is used by myself and 
> Georgie. The second iMac is to be Georgie’s main desktop but also has my 
> account so I can use it as a backup machine in the event of a failure of the 
> main iMac.
>  
> I realise that my situation does not reflect yours ;o)  However, the fact 
> that each machine had TM backups and Superduper clones and the new main iMac 
> now has 4 logical internal drives (SSD & 3 HD partitions) and I need TM and 
> Superduper clones of everything going forward means I have had to think about 
> migrations, backups and clones a fair bit! For the main iMac, for example, 
> Time machine backs up all 4 drives in one backup but the SuperDuper clones 
> have to be done on a disk-by-disk basis (though one partition is still empty 
> – earmarked for a media libray disk).
>  
> For what it is worth, a few of my thoughts are:
>  
> Have a clear strategy of what you intend to use each machine and disk for and 
> what is the main/secondary/tertiary backup methods:
> For example all three of our computers will continue to be used albeit with 
> different primary uses (mine, Georgie’s and joint travel computer) – your 
> approach may be different if you intend to just migrate to the new computer 
> and retire the old one than if you intend to keep using the laptop as well as 
> the new mac mini (since you say the laptop is unreliable you are possibly 
> just going to retire it?)
> We use both DropBox and OneDrive to keep most of our user data in synch 
> between machines – so the cloud accounts become the de-facto main off-site 
> backup for this but, since I would not rely on these alone, the clones and TM 
> backups are there “to be sure, to be sure”.
> The clones are a “snapshot” of the drives as at the last clone time. To me 
> the main purpose is to have an immediate recovery in the event of a drive 
> failure. To recover anything that has changed since the last clone I have the 
> TM backup, although for the cloud accounts they will update automatically – 
> so I just use the TM backups for file by file (or folder by folder) recovery.
> I limit my SSD to the System and application files and a bare admin user 
> folder – so the clone is really all I need to re-instate this. I have my main 
> user folder on an internal partition and rely mainly on the cloud accounts 
> but with clone & TM backups. You need to have your own strategy for what is 
> on the internal SSD and the external HD and the methods for backup, recovery 
> and migration of the two drives would probably be different.
> Time Machine seems to creates separate backups for different computers and 
> recognises the actual computer rather than the HD – so for various computers 
> my TM back-ups have continued across disk re-partitions and HD replacements – 
> so your new computer will automatically get a new TM backup file. Personally, 
> I would start with a new clean HD for this (fairly large drives are really 
> very cheap nowadays).
&g

Re: System migration to new computer

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Alan, Hi Peter,

 

I can sympathise with your predicaments – I recently upgraded two iMacs and a 
laptop from Snow Leopard 10.6 to El Capitan 10.11 and, just to complicate 
things, the main iMac was running from an external drive since the internal 
hard drive had previously died (the external drive was initially a clone of the 
dead HD pre-failure). I decided to rebuild the iMac with an internal SSD and an 
internal 3TB HD (setup with 3 partitions) along with bumping the RAM up. The 
main iMac is just used by myself. The laptop is used by myself and Georgie. The 
second iMac is to be Georgie’s main desktop but also has my account so I can 
use it as a backup machine in the event of a failure of the main iMac.

 

I realise that my situation does not reflect yours ;o)  However, the fact that 
each machine had TM backups and Superduper clones and the new main iMac now has 
4 logical internal drives (SSD & 3 HD partitions) and I need TM and Superduper 
clones of everything going forward means I have had to think about migrations, 
backups and clones a fair bit! For the main iMac, for example, Time machine 
backs up all 4 drives in one backup but the SuperDuper clones have to be done 
on a disk-by-disk basis (though one partition is still empty – earmarked for a 
media libray disk).

 

For what it is worth, a few of my thoughts are:

 

Have a clear strategy of what you intend to use each machine and disk for and 
what is the main/secondary/tertiary backup methods:
For example all three of our computers will continue to be used albeit with 
different primary uses (mine, Georgie’s and joint travel computer) – your 
approach may be different if you intend to just migrate to the new computer and 
retire the old one than if you intend to keep using the laptop as well as the 
new mac mini (since you say the laptop is unreliable you are possibly just 
going to retire it?)
We use both DropBox and OneDrive to keep most of our user data in synch between 
machines – so the cloud accounts become the de-facto main off-site backup for 
this but, since I would not rely on these alone, the clones and TM backups are 
there “to be sure, to be sure”.
The clones are a “snapshot” of the drives as at the last clone time. To me the 
main purpose is to have an immediate recovery in the event of a drive failure. 
To recover anything that has changed since the last clone I have the TM backup, 
although for the cloud accounts they will update automatically – so I just use 
the TM backups for file by file (or folder by folder) recovery.
I limit my SSD to the System and application files and a bare admin user folder 
– so the clone is really all I need to re-instate this. I have my main user 
folder on an internal partition and rely mainly on the cloud accounts but with 
clone & TM backups. You need to have your own strategy for what is on the 
internal SSD and the external HD and the methods for backup, recovery and 
migration of the two drives would probably be different.
Time Machine seems to creates separate backups for different computers and 
recognises the actual computer rather than the HD – so for various computers my 
TM back-ups have continued across disk re-partitions and HD replacements – so 
your new computer will automatically get a new TM backup file. Personally, I 
would start with a new clean HD for this (fairly large drives are really very 
cheap nowadays).
Although you could use your old TM file when migrating to the new computer, 
post migration TM will just use the new TM backup corresponding to the new 
computer – I’m pretty that the old TM backups back through time, that are 
stored in the old TM backup file, will only be shown by TM on the old machine. 
However, when plugged into the new machine, the old TM backups can be accessed 
through the finder - and individual archived versions of files or folders can 
be accessed and copied to retrieve them.
Different people tend to have different methods & preferences as to how to use 
Time machine. Personally, I tend to find its main value for me is to access 
older versions of files/documents/ preference settings – particularly when 
something stuffs up and I need to revert to the pre stuff-up version!  For 
complete restoration or migration I would tend to go to my clones – but that’s 
just me  ;o)
 

Hmmm, not sure how much of the above is relevant/helpful to your situation – 
so, maybe, my take away would be:
I presume the reason you are not migrating directly from the laptop is that the 
machine is now unreliable and can’t be trusted as the migration source?
Depending on how recent it is, you might consider your SuperDuper backup as the 
migration source.
Once migrated, I would recommend using a new, clean, HD as TM backup drive for 
the new machine.
The old TM backup drive could continue to be used for TM backup for the old 
laptop if you still use it, if not it can still be used as an archive source 
(via Finder, not TM) of old files from the 

Re: System migration to new computer

[petercrisp]

Hi Alan, yes that is possibly a good way to go. A further thinking on
this just now you jogged my thoughts. Is to establish a new 'clean'
backup file (rename the old one to break the link - not sure if TM is
clever enough to detect if the renamed file is in fact still the
backup file it will want to default backup to) of the MBA SSD only
(being sure to exclude the attached external drive using Options from
the backup routine). Then use MA to restore that new backup to the Mac
Mini with confidence you know it is only the MBA data restored and not
a conglomeration of the MBA + external drive data onto the Mac Mini.
Then just transfer the external drive to the mac Mini USB and then
create another new TM backup with the external drive INCLUDED in the
routine. This will of course will leave the history non-existent from
the previous backup - may or may not be important to you. 
Regards
Pete.

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:"WAMUG Mailing List" 
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 8 May 2019 12:25:58 +0800
Subject:Re: System migration to new computer

 Thanks for your thoughts Peter (C)
Current idea is now to remove the data drive via Time Machine
preferences and run a few days of plain MBA SSD backups.  The HOPE is
that Migration Assistant would allow a TM backup from a specified date
and therefore copy just the latest 150GB or whatever.   May even try
adding a third TM backup drive to create a “pure” SSD source for
initial migration with a short date range, while the other TM drives
are temporarily removed. Then, as Peter (H) said, try it!  
CheersAlan

On 8 May 2019, at 9:34 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au [1] wrote:
Hi Peter and Alan. This is a conundrum I have yet to encounter but I
had wondered how I would do it if I ever had to. I have a similar
environment where I have an MBP (256GB SSD) and a 2TB external drive
holding Photos library, iTunes library and an assortment of other
foldered items. My external drive is INCLUDED in the back up to Time
Capsule. I also periodically do a CCC backup of both the MBP and
External drive too for some added protection. 
What I have observed, during a trial I did a few months back, is when
using the recovery process from the TM backup, if I was to try and
recover a file that was resident on the external drive, then I must
have the external drive attached to the MBP for it to be reinstated
back to. Conversely, if I were to not have the external drive attached
to my MBP, when I try to do a recovery of a file that was on the
external drive, then the ability to see the image of the backed up
external drive to select a file to recover is not made available. It
follows therefore (I think) that if I was to try and recover the
entire external drive using TM, then I would need to have that drive
attached in the destination of where I was trying to recover it to. 
A suggestion to think about before implementing anything. If you were
to use Migration Assistant to restore the backup of the on-board SSD
content ONLY from the TM backup to the Mac Mini (with the external
drive NOT attached to the Mac Mini), then it would follow that only
the on-board SSD backed up content from the MBA would be recovered
onto the Mac Mini 256GB SSD. If you then were to attach the external
drive to the Mac Mini, then you are back in the same place you were
previously - the Mac Mini is a clone of the Macbook Air and the
external drive is now moved over to the Mac Mini. Another of my
observations is that the first time that Time Machine does a backup of
this new configuration, it will create a new backup of the ENTIRE SSD
+ the ENTIRE external drive, even though the content is the very same
content. This has the undesirable effect of bloating the backup file
and you may run out of space on it. Maybe there is a clever way to
make it recognise it's backing up stuff it has already backed up, so
only does an incremental backup, ie only a back up of what has
changed.
I think TM is pretty clever but without knowing exactly how it will
behave in these circumstances, it's difficult to know what you'll end
up with. But as Peter indicates, the worst that can happen is you have
to clear it off the Mac Mini and start again.
Another thing with TM is to be extremely patient. Extremely patient.
Extremely patient.
Regards
Pete.

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au [2]
To:
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 8 May 2019 08:03:17 +0800
Subject:Re: System migration to new computer

 > On 8 May 2019, at 6:34 am, Alan Smith  wrote:
 > 
 > What is the best way to migrate complete data and settings from an
unreliable 2012 MacBook Air to a still-in-the-box 2018 Mac mini? Both
macs have internal 256 GB SSD. There are Time Machine and Super Duper
backups. I will be the technical assistant for my brother in law who
owns the macs.
 > 
 > I proposed to use Migration Assistant from Time Machine but this
has a complication. The MBA has a 1TB external data drive using
symbolic links. Time Machine includes the data drive in its backups to
tw

Re: System migration to new computer

[Alan Smith]

Thanks for your thoughts Peter (C)

Current idea is now to remove the data drive via Time Machine preferences and 
run a few days of plain MBA SSD backups.  The HOPE is that Migration Assistant 
would allow a TM backup from a specified date and therefore copy just the 
latest 150GB or whatever.   May even try adding a third TM backup drive to 
create a “pure” SSD source for initial migration with a short date range, while 
the other TM drives are temporarily removed. Then, as Peter (H) said, try it!  

Cheers
Alan

> On 8 May 2019, at 9:34 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter and Alan. This is a conundrum I have yet to encounter but I had 
> wondered how I would do it if I ever had to. I have a similar environment 
> where I have an MBP (256GB SSD) and a 2TB external drive holding Photos 
> library, iTunes library and an assortment of other foldered items. My 
> external drive is INCLUDED in the back up to Time Capsule. I also 
> periodically do a CCC backup of both the MBP and External drive too for some 
> added protection. 
> 
> What I have observed, during a trial I did a few months back, is when using 
> the recovery process from the TM backup, if I was to try and recover a file 
> that was resident on the external drive, then I must have the external drive 
> attached to the MBP for it to be reinstated back to. Conversely, if I were to 
> not have the external drive attached to my MBP, when I try to do a recovery 
> of a file that was on the external drive, then the ability to see the image 
> of the backed up external drive to select a file to recover is not made 
> available. It follows therefore (I think) that if I was to try and recover 
> the entire external drive using TM, then I would need to have that drive 
> attached in the destination of where I was trying to recover it to. 
> 
> A suggestion to think about before implementing anything. If you were to use 
> Migration Assistant to restore the backup of the on-board SSD content ONLY 
> from the TM backup to the Mac Mini (with the external drive NOT attached to 
> the Mac Mini), then it would follow that only the on-board SSD backed up 
> content from the MBA would be recovered onto the Mac Mini 256GB SSD. If you 
> then were to attach the external drive to the Mac Mini, then you are back in 
> the same place you were previously - the Mac Mini is a clone of the Macbook 
> Air and the external drive is now moved over to the Mac Mini. Another of my 
> observations is that the first time that Time Machine does a backup of this 
> new configuration, it will create a new backup of the ENTIRE SSD + the ENTIRE 
> external drive, even though the content is the very same content. This has 
> the undesirable effect of bloating the backup file and you may run out of 
> space on it. Maybe there is a clever way to make it recognise it's backing up 
> stuff it has already backed up, so only does an incremental backup, ie only a 
> back up of what has changed.
> 
> I think TM is pretty clever but without knowing exactly how it will behave in 
> these circumstances, it's difficult to know what you'll end up with. But as 
> Peter indicates, the worst that can happen is you have to clear it off the 
> Mac Mini and start again.
> 
> Another thing with TM is to be extremely patient. Extremely patient. 
> Extremely patient.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Wed, 8 May 2019 08:03:17 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: System migration to new computer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 8 May 2019, at 6:34 am, Alan Smith  wrote:
> > 
> > What is the best way to migrate complete data and settings from an 
> > unreliable 2012 MacBook Air to a still-in-the-box 2018 Mac mini? Both macs 
> > have internal 256 GB SSD. There are Time Machine and Super Duper backups. I 
> > will be the technical assistant for my brother in law who owns the macs.
> > 
> > I proposed to use Migration Assistant from Time Machine but this has a 
> > complication. The MBA has a 1TB external data drive using symbolic links. 
> > Time Machine includes the data drive in its backups to two disks, internal 
> > and external on Time Capsule. 
> > 
> > Can Migration Assistant use Time Machine in this case? If expedient the 
> > external TM backup disk can be removed and a new backup made of just the 
> > MBA SSD on the TC internal disk. 
> > 
> > The MBA has bad days when it fails then restarts several times. This has 
> > been happening for some months. A direct migration from MBA to Mini would 
> > not seem to be feasible.
> > 
> > Your help would be appreciated.
> > 
> >

Re: System migration to new computer

[petercrisp]

Hi Peter and Alan. This is a conundrum I have yet to encounter but I
had wondered how I would do it if I ever had to. I have a similar
environment where I have an MBP (256GB SSD) and a 2TB external drive
holding Photos library, iTunes library and an assortment of other
foldered items. My external drive is INCLUDED in the back up to Time
Capsule. I also periodically do a CCC backup of both the MBP and
External drive too for some added protection. 
What I have observed, during a trial I did a few months back, is when
using the recovery process from the TM backup, if I was to try and
recover a file that was resident on the external drive, then I must
have the external drive attached to the MBP for it to be reinstated
back to. Conversely, if I were to not have the external drive attached
to my MBP, when I try to do a recovery of a file that was on the
external drive, then the ability to see the image of the backed up
external drive to select a file to recover is not made available. It
follows therefore (I think) that if I was to try and recover the
entire external drive using TM, then I would need to have that drive
attached in the destination of where I was trying to recover it to. 
A suggestion to think about before implementing anything. If you were
to use Migration Assistant to restore the backup of the on-board SSD
content ONLY from the TM backup to the Mac Mini (with the external
drive NOT attached to the Mac Mini), then it would follow that only
the on-board SSD backed up content from the MBA would be recovered
onto the Mac Mini 256GB SSD. If you then were to attach the external
drive to the Mac Mini, then you are back in the same place you were
previously - the Mac Mini is a clone of the Macbook Air and the
external drive is now moved over to the Mac Mini. Another of my
observations is that the first time that Time Machine does a backup of
this new configuration, it will create a new backup of the ENTIRE SSD
+ the ENTIRE external drive, even though the content is the very same
content. This has the undesirable effect of bloating the backup file
and you may run out of space on it. Maybe there is a clever way to
make it recognise it's backing up stuff it has already backed up, so
only does an incremental backup, ie only a back up of what has
changed.
I think TM is pretty clever but without knowing exactly how it will
behave in these circumstances, it's difficult to know what you'll end
up with. But as Peter indicates, the worst that can happen is you have
to clear it off the Mac Mini and start again.
Another thing with TM is to be extremely patient. Extremely patient.
Extremely patient.
Regards
Pete.

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To:
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 8 May 2019 08:03:17 +0800
Subject:Re: System migration to new computer

 > On 8 May 2019, at 6:34 am, Alan Smith  wrote:
 > 
 > What is the best way to migrate complete data and settings from an
unreliable 2012 MacBook Air to a still-in-the-box 2018 Mac mini? Both
macs have internal 256 GB SSD. There are Time Machine and Super Duper
backups. I will be the technical assistant for my brother in law who
owns the macs.
 > 
 > I proposed to use Migration Assistant from Time Machine but this
has a complication. The MBA has a 1TB external data drive using
symbolic links. Time Machine includes the data drive in its backups to
two disks, internal and external on Time Capsule. 
 > 
 > Can Migration Assistant use Time Machine in this case? If expedient
the external TM backup disk can be removed and a new backup made of
just the MBA SSD on the TC internal disk. 
 > 
 > The MBA has bad days when it fails then restarts several times.
This has been happening for some months. A direct migration from MBA
to Mini would not seem to be feasible.
 > 
 > Your help would be appreciated.
 > 
 > Regards
 > Alan
 > 
 > 
 > 

 Logic tells me that all the files archived by Time Machine end up in
the same Time Machine folder on the TM drive, regardless of origin,
but I agree the restoration process through Migration assistant could
well be unpredictable. 

 My first insticnt would be just to try it. The worst that could
happen is that the files base on the MBA’s internal drive will be
restored to their correct locations, but those originating from the
external drive might be ignored (worst case scenario). It’s also
possible that MA, not finding a matching location on the new 2018 Mac,
might just create one and proceed regardless (best case scnario). 

 I think that if you wind up with the worst case scenario, you’d
just have to spend some time manually dragging over the folders and/or
files which were ignored. In the best case scenario, there’d be
nothing else to do. 

 Dunno. I haven’t been faced with this situation before so I can’t
report from experience unfortunately. Hopefully, there might be others
on the list who are more enlightened.

 Kind regards,

 Peter Hinchliffe Apwin Computer Services
 FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
 Perth, Western Australia
 Phon

Re: System migration to new computer

[Alan Smith]

Thanks for your thoughts on this Peter.

Another possible complication not previously considered is that the Mac Mini 
has a T2 chip which may inhibit migration anyway. Perhaps a completely new 
manual set up then item by item copy from Super Duper would be safest way but 
would take weeks!  

Alan

> On 8 May 2019, at 8:03 am, Peter Hinchliffe  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8 May 2019, at 6:34 am, Alan Smith  wrote:
>> 
>> What is the best way to migrate complete data and settings from an 
>> unreliable 2012 MacBook Air to a still-in-the-box 2018 Mac mini?  Both macs 
>> have internal 256 GB SSD.  There are Time Machine and Super Duper backups.  
>> I will be the technical assistant for my brother in law who owns the macs.
>> 
>> I proposed to use Migration Assistant from Time Machine but this has a 
>> complication. The MBA has a 1TB external data drive using symbolic links. 
>> Time Machine includes the data drive in its backups to two disks, internal 
>> and external on Time Capsule.
>> 
>> Can Migration Assistant use Time Machine in this case?  If expedient the 
>> external TM backup disk can be removed and a new backup made of just the MBA 
>> SSD on the TC internal disk.  
>> 
>> The MBA has bad days when it fails then restarts several times. This has 
>> been happening for some months.  A direct migration from MBA to Mini would 
>> not seem to be feasible.
>> 
>> Your help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> Logic tells me that all the files archived by Time Machine end up in the same 
> Time Machine folder on the TM drive, regardless of origin, but I agree the 
> restoration process through Migration assistant could well be unpredictable. 
> 
> My first insticnt would be just to try it. The worst that could happen is 
> that the files base on the MBA’s internal drive will be restored to their 
> correct locations, but those originating from the external drive might be 
> ignored (worst case scenario). It’s also possible that MA, not finding a 
> matching location on the new 2018 Mac, might just create one and proceed 
> regardless (best case scnario). 
> 
> I think that if you wind up with the worst case scenario, you’d just have to 
> spend some time manually dragging over the folders and/or files which were 
> ignored. In the best case scenario, there’d be nothing else to do. 
> 
> Dunno. I haven’t been faced with this situation before so I can’t report from 
> experience unfortunately. Hopefully, there might be others on the list who 
> are more enlightened.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
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Re: System migration to new computer

[Peter Hinchliffe]

> On 8 May 2019, at 6:34 am, Alan Smith  wrote:
> 
> What is the best way to migrate complete data and settings from an unreliable 
> 2012 MacBook Air to a still-in-the-box 2018 Mac mini?  Both macs have 
> internal 256 GB SSD.  There are Time Machine and Super Duper backups.  I will 
> be the technical assistant for my brother in law who owns the macs.
> 
> I proposed to use Migration Assistant from Time Machine but this has a 
> complication. The MBA has a 1TB external data drive using symbolic links. 
> Time Machine includes the data drive in its backups to two disks, internal 
> and external on Time Capsule.
> 
> Can Migration Assistant use Time Machine in this case?  If expedient the 
> external TM backup disk can be removed and a new backup made of just the MBA 
> SSD on the TC internal disk.  
> 
> The MBA has bad days when it fails then restarts several times. This has been 
> happening for some months.  A direct migration from MBA to Mini would not 
> seem to be feasible.
> 
> Your help would be appreciated.
> 
> Regards
> Alan
> 
> 
> 

Logic tells me that all the files archived by Time Machine end up in the same 
Time Machine folder on the TM drive, regardless of origin, but I agree the 
restoration process through Migration assistant could well be unpredictable. 

My first insticnt would be just to try it. The worst that could happen is that 
the files base on the MBA’s internal drive will be restored to their correct 
locations, but those originating from the external drive might be ignored 
(worst case scenario). It’s also possible that MA, not finding a matching 
location on the new 2018 Mac, might just create one and proceed regardless 
(best case scnario). 

I think that if you wind up with the worst case scenario, you’d just have to 
spend some time manually dragging over the folders and/or files which were 
ignored. In the best case scenario, there’d be nothing else to do. 

Dunno. I haven’t been faced with this situation before so I can’t report from 
experience unfortunately. Hopefully, there might be others on the list who are 
more enlightened.

Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.

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Re: Chrome browser

[FW]

Thanks Stephen,

Cheers
Walter

> On 4 May 2019, at 19:46 , Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi Walter.
> Probably safer to install Firefox.
> My daughter uses Firefox for sites that are not friendly to Safari.
> 
> Chrome is Google.
> Google and Facebook are the two big data gatherers and trackers to avoid.
> My family and some friends keep away from both of these.
> 
>> On 4 May 2019, at 12:28 pm, FW  wrote:
>> 
>> Good afternoon all,
>> 
>> Is there any reason why I should not install Chrome on my iMac (10.14.4) ?
>> Safari is not working with a particular website.
>> Anything one needs to observe when installing Chrome ?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Walter
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> 
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Re: Chrome browser

[Stephen Chape]

Hi Walter.
Probably safer to install Firefox.
My daughter uses Firefox for sites that are not friendly to Safari.

Chrome is Google.
Google and Facebook are the two big data gatherers and trackers to avoid.
My family and some friends keep away from both of these.

> On 4 May 2019, at 12:28 pm, FW  wrote:
> 
> Good afternoon all,
> 
> Is there any reason why I should not install Chrome on my iMac (10.14.4) ?
> Safari is not working with a particular website.
> Anything one needs to observe when installing Chrome ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Walter
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Re: OSX/IOS notes in iCloud - problem with iPad

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Ronni,

 

Thanks for your advice – my replies in situ:

 

I’m starting to think that although the ipads on  IOS 10.3.3 and 9.3.5 and the 
iMac on OSX 10.11.6 are all capable of the notes “upgrade” the OSX Notes app 
continues to work fine on creating notes in icloud and moving notes to icloud 
but the IOS Notes app no longer allows this.

 

I suspect that Georgie will prefer to just leave things as is and accept that 
her ipad will not create notes in icloud rather than lose the Notes 
functionalty on the phone (which is what she uses 90% of the time) and have to 
use the Web app.

 

I’m continuing to look at alternatives.

 

 

Cheers

 

 

Neil

-- 

Neil R. Houghton

Albany, Western Australia

Tel: +61 8 9841 6063

Email: n...@possumology.com

 

 

From:  on behalf of Ronni Brown 

Reply-To: WAMUG 
Date: Saturday, 04 May 2019 at 13:09
To: WAMUG 
Subject: Re: OSX/IOS notes in iCloud - problem with iPad

 

Hi Neil,

>From what I understand (but other members that know more about the Notes App, 
>please help),

even to see the new features and sync those notes to other devices, you must 
“upgrade” your Notes accounts after updating to iOS 9 (or OS X 10.11 El 
Capitan). 

 

I’m happy to accept that we will not see or be able to use any of the new 
features until we upgrade. Happy enough to just have the old functionality 
until we (eventually) get rid of the old iPhones.

It is not the case that the devices do not sync to icloud without upgrading – I 
have not upgraded but I can still create notes in icloud on the iMac using OSX 
10.11.6 and even on the old iPhones using IOS 7.1.2. These notes sync across 
all devices and once in icloud they are seen on the ipads – the only problem is 
that we cannot CREATE notes in icloud on the iPads.

 

 

 

The problem with doing so is that the Notes app in 10.10 Yosemite (and iOS 8) 
doesn’t support the new format, so notes in your iCloud account won’t sync 
until upgraded. 

This is why I have not upgraded – at the moment all devices sync OK but if I 
upgrade the iPhones will no longer see any of the upgraded notes – since (for 
Georgie) 905 of these notes are created and viewed on the iPhone that would be 
a worse problem than our current one ;o)



So your choice is probably… Upgrade the iPhone 4S to iOS 9.3.5

The phones are both the original iPhone4s – so IOS 7.1.2 is as high as they go.



Upgrade Notes on your iOS 9 devices and use the iCloud.com Web app on 
unsupported devices.

Georgie would be happier living with the current problem than losing the Notes 
functionality on her phone and having to use the web app.



On the iPads - Settings > Notes - Accounts - Default Account is iCloud - I’m 
thinking you might also have “On My iPad” account selected?

No default account IS set to iCloud – however the notes are still created in 
“on my iPad”

 

 

Cheers,

Ronni

 

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz

8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage


macOS High Sierra 10.13.6

 



On 3 May 2019, at 2:03 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:

 

Hi Ronni,

 

1.   Yes, I am signed into icloud on the ipads and can see all the notes in 
my icloud on the ipads. The problem is that we can only create new notes “on my 
ipad” and cannot move these notes to icloud.

2.   No, I have not upgraded our notes on the ipad. My understanding was 
that if we DO do that then it is the actual notes in our icloud accounts that 
get upgraded to the newer notes format and that if we do that then our iPhones 
(old iPhone4s running ios 7.1.2) will no longer be able to read these notes. 
Given that Georgie uses notes on her phone much more than on her iPad she would 
be very upset if she could no longer read the notes.

3.   My understanding was that if you did NOT upgrade then you would 
continue to use the old note format and so would miss out on any of the new 
features introduced with the notes – that is certainly how it works on my iMac 
which is running El Capitan and so is able to be upgraded to the new notes 
format (like the ipads) but I can still create notes in icloud which can be 
read on both the phones and the ipads and I can move notes from “on my 
computer” to icloud – so I sort of assumed that the same thing would work on 
the ipads?

 

So is our problem an Apple “feature” in that the OSX Notes app WILL let us 
create notes in icloud without upgrading to the new notes format but the IOS 
notes app will NOT allow this?

 

Cheers

 

 

Neil

(still confused)

-- 

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Albany, Western Australia

Tel: +61 8 9841 6063

Email: n...@possumology.com

 

 

From:  on behalf of Ronni Brown 

Reply-To: WAMUG 
Date: Thursday, 02 May 2019 at 14:34
To: WAMUG 
Subject: Re: OSX/IOS notes in iCloud - problem with iPad

 

Hi Neil,

 

 

I’ve only been able to give your message a quick read… so this may sound 
stupid… but are you sure you are signed into your iCloud account on 

Re: OSX/IOS notes in iCloud - problem with iPad

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Neil,

From what I understand (but other members that know more about the Notes App, 
please help),
even to see the new features and sync those notes to other devices, you must 
“upgrade” your Notes accounts after updating to iOS 9 (or OS X 10.11 El 
Capitan). 
The problem with doing so is that the Notes app in 10.10 Yosemite (and iOS 8) 
doesn’t support the new format, so notes in your iCloud account won’t sync 
until upgraded. 

So your choice is probably… Upgrade the iPhone 4S to iOS 9.3.5

Upgrade Notes on your iOS 9 devices and use the iCloud.com Web app on 
unsupported devices.

On the iPads - Settings > Notes - Accounts - Default Account is iCloud - I’m 
thinking you might also have “On My iPad” account selected?

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS High Sierra 10.13.6


> On 3 May 2019, at 2:03 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni,
>  
> Yes, I am signed into icloud on the ipads and can see all the notes in my 
> icloud on the ipads. The problem is that we can only create new notes “on my 
> ipad” and cannot move these notes to icloud.
> No, I have not upgraded our notes on the ipad. My understanding was that if 
> we DO do that then it is the actual notes in our icloud accounts that get 
> upgraded to the newer notes format and that if we do that then our iPhones 
> (old iPhone4s running ios 7.1.2) will no longer be able to read these notes. 
> Given that Georgie uses notes on her phone much more than on her iPad she 
> would be very upset if she could no longer read the notes.
> My understanding was that if you did NOT upgrade then you would continue to 
> use the old note format and so would miss out on any of the new features 
> introduced with the notes – that is certainly how it works on my iMac which 
> is running El Capitan and so is able to be upgraded to the new notes format 
> (like the ipads) but I can still create notes in icloud which can be read on 
> both the phones and the ipads and I can move notes from “on my computer” to 
> icloud – so I sort of assumed that the same thing would work on the ipads?
>  
> So is our problem an Apple “feature” in that the OSX Notes app WILL let us 
> create notes in icloud without upgrading to the new notes format but the IOS 
> notes app will NOT allow this?
>  
> Cheers
>  
>  
> Neil
> (still confused)
> -- 
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> Albany, Western Australia
> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
> Email: n...@possumology.com <mailto:n...@possumology.com>
>  
>  
> From:  <mailto:wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au>> on behalf of Ronni 
> Brown mailto:ro...@mac.com>>
> Reply-To: WAMUG mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Date: Thursday, 02 May 2019 at 14:34
> To: WAMUG mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Subject: Re: OSX/IOS notes in iCloud - problem with iPad
>  
> Hi Neil,
>  
>  
> I’ve only been able to give your message a quick read… so this may sound 
> stupid… but are you sure you are signed into your iCloud account on the 
> iPads. Using the same Apple ID doesn't mean your iPad automatically connects 
> to your iCloud. 
> This is very possible especially if you set up your iPad using iTunes not 
> iCloud backup. 
> Check to be sure you are signed into your iCloud account.
> 
> Another quick thought: You did upgrade your Notes when you installed iOS9 or 
> later?
> Upgrading Your Notes
> • Update to iOS 9 or later. ... 
> • Open the Notes app on your iPad. ... 
> • Tap the "<" button to view the folder list if you aren't 
> prompted to upgrade. ... 
> • Tap "Upgrade" in the upper corner. ... 
> • Tap "Upgrade Now" when prompted. ... 
> • Wait while your Notes app upgrades
>  
> <https://www.wikihow.com/Upgrade-iPhone-Notes 
> <https://www.wikihow.com/Upgrade-iPhone-Notes>>
>  
> Sorry if none of above is of any help at all for you ;-(
>  
> Kind regards,
>  
> Ronni
> 
> 
>> On 1 May 2019, at 8:43 pm, Neil Houghton > <mailto:n...@possumology.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> OK so I’m getting very confused with how notes synching works/does not work 
>> in icloud:
>>  
>> On my iMac, OSX 10.11.6, Notes version 4.2 everything works fine – I can see 
>> notes sections for icloud, bigpond, internode, outlook and “on my computer” 
>> I create notes in the iCloud section and they go to my iCloud notes and can 
>> be seen on all devices. Old notes that were shown as “on my computer” could 
>> just be dragged and dropped to the icloud section and were then accessible 
&g

Re: Problems moving iTunes Music to external drive

[Alan Smith]

An update - and closure.

Not just a wrong turn, but off the track and in a ravine.  Needed to take 
several steps back and start again.

My main error: Last night I updated my music files and made the two iMacs 
identical for content. In my excitement I got up very early this morning to 
copy the content to the Mac Mini external drive.  But I forgot to actually copy 
the complete iTunes structure with library database so just had a copy of the 
songs. Of course the Mini library could not associate properly with the files.  
 Second error and learning: Restoring from Time Machine with recent data also 
resulted in missing files and corrupt links for TV and Movies.  Reason was that 
the external drive with movies was excluded from TM backup.

I have just copied the complete iTunes file structure from an iMac to the Mini. 
 Music and playlists are now ok.  Purchased TV and Movies are all in  “download 
ready” status and appear to be ok.  This was fortunate because the Mini SSD 
would be bang full with both movies and music on the internal SSD.  I can copy 
movies from their external drive source manually when needed.  And Apple TV is 
good too with limited choice of shows.

Now to get the music to the external drive and initiate Home Sharing or its 
modern equivalent. But not at 4am tomorrow.

Wamug school teacher members may say that education is fun, but this set of 
learnings has been painful.

Cheers
Alan


> On 3 May 2019, at 11:35 am, Alan Smith  wrote:
> 
> I took a wrong turn somewhere in moving my music from an old iMac computer to 
> an external drive attached to a Mac Mini.  Any directions to get back on 
> track would be very welcome.
> 
> The iTunes app does not display any songs, only a list of purchased items 
> available for download.   Further, the links to some Movies and TV Shows have 
> been lost and some metadata of individual files corrupted.  A new library 
> database was created automatically during my work.  Trash was emptied during 
> the exercise.
> 
> iTunes and the Mac Mini, with Films on the external drive, has been fault 
> free for over 12 months.  I decided to move my music collection across to 
> make the Mini a full media server.   The eventual aim was to maintain a 
> single music database and invoke Home Sharing for music access on two local 
> iMacs.   But…
> 
> I have Time Machine and Super Duper backups if they would be helpful in 
> fixing my mess.
> 
> Mac Mini is late 2014 model with 256GB SSD.  MacOS is High Sierra 10.13.6 and 
> iTunes is ver 12.8.2.3
> 
> Regards
> Alan
> 
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Re: OSX/IOS notes in iCloud - problem with iPad

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Ronni,

 
Yes, I am signed into icloud on the ipads and can see all the notes in my 
icloud on the ipads. The problem is that we can only create new notes “on my 
ipad” and cannot move these notes to icloud.
No, I have not upgraded our notes on the ipad. My understanding was that if we 
DO do that then it is the actual notes in our icloud accounts that get upgraded 
to the newer notes format and that if we do that then our iPhones (old iPhone4s 
running ios 7.1.2) will no longer be able to read these notes. Given that 
Georgie uses notes on her phone much more than on her iPad she would be very 
upset if she could no longer read the notes.
My understanding was that if you did NOT upgrade then you would continue to use 
the old note format and so would miss out on any of the new features introduced 
with the notes – that is certainly how it works on my iMac which is running El 
Capitan and so is able to be upgraded to the new notes format (like the ipads) 
but I can still create notes in icloud which can be read on both the phones and 
the ipads and I can move notes from “on my computer” to icloud – so I sort of 
assumed that the same thing would work on the ipads?
 

So is our problem an Apple “feature” in that the OSX Notes app WILL let us 
create notes in icloud without upgrading to the new notes format but the IOS 
notes app will NOT allow this?

 

Cheers

 

 

Neil

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Email: n...@possumology.com

 

 

From:  on behalf of Ronni Brown 

Reply-To: WAMUG 
Date: Thursday, 02 May 2019 at 14:34
To: WAMUG 
Subject: Re: OSX/IOS notes in iCloud - problem with iPad

 

Hi Neil,

 

 

I’ve only been able to give your message a quick read… so this may sound 
stupid… but are you sure you are signed into your iCloud account on the iPads. 
Using the same Apple ID doesn't mean your iPad automatically connects to your 
iCloud. 

This is very possible especially if you set up your iPad using iTunes not 
iCloud backup. 

Check to be sure you are signed into your iCloud account.

Another quick thought: You did upgrade your Notes when you installed iOS9 or 
later?

Upgrading Your Notes

    • Update to iOS 9 or later. ... 

    • Open the Notes app on your iPad. ... 

    • Tap the "<" button to view the folder list if you aren't 
prompted to upgrade. ... 

    • Tap "Upgrade" in the upper corner. ... 

    • Tap "Upgrade Now" when prompted. ... 

    • Wait while your Notes app upgrades

 

<https://www.wikihow.com/Upgrade-iPhone-Notes>

 

Sorry if none of above is of any help at all for you ;-(

 

Kind regards,

 

Ronni



On 1 May 2019, at 8:43 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:

 

OK so I’m getting very confused with how notes synching works/does not work in 
icloud:

 

On my iMac, OSX 10.11.6, Notes version 4.2 everything works fine – I can see 
notes sections for icloud, bigpond, internode, outlook and “on my computer” I 
create notes in the iCloud section and they go to my iCloud notes and can be 
seen on all devices. Old notes that were shown as “on my computer” could just 
be dragged and dropped to the icloud section and were then accessible across 
devices.

 

Even on my (very) old iPhone 4 running ios 7.1.2 everything works fine – I have 
the default account set as icloud and new notes are created in icloud and are 
then accessible across devices.

 

However on my iPad running the most up-to-date compatible ios 10.3.3 I can see 
all my icloud notes and I have icloud set as my default notes account BUT every 
new note created is created “on my ipad”. 

I can not find any way to change it so that new notes are created in icloud – 
even though that is the default account. I also cannot move the notes from “on 
my ipad” to “icloud” – I can go “edit” then select a note (or notes) and hit 
“move to” but the only place which is available to move to (or create new 
folders in) is “on my ipad” – ICLOUD just is not visible in the move to window. 

 

I should note that Georgina sees similar behaviour on her devices – an iPhone 4 
which works fine and an older mini iPad running its most up-to-date compatible 
ios 9.3.5 – in her case she can also see both icloud and on my ipad notes but 
can only create notes on the ipad. Her settings are different the only bit that 
allows a default account to be selected is “default account for siri” which 
shows both icloud and on my ipad  but selecting icloud makes no difference. Her 
settings also has a toggle switch for the “on my ipad” account which is on – 
but the setting is greyed out and does not seem to let you change it. Again 
selecting one of the on my ipad notes and trying the “move to” command only 
shows destinations “on my ipad”

 

It seems very strange that this works fine on the mac and the very old iphones 
but not on the ipads?

 

Any ideas.

 

 

Re: OSX/IOS notes in iCloud - problem with iPad

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Neil,


I’ve only been able to give your message a quick read… so this may sound 
stupid… but are you sure you are signed into your iCloud account on the iPads. 
Using the same Apple ID doesn't mean your iPad automatically connects to your 
iCloud. 
This is very possible especially if you set up your iPad using iTunes not 
iCloud backup. 
Check to be sure you are signed into your iCloud account.

Another quick thought: You did upgrade your Notes when you installed iOS9 or 
later?
Upgrading Your Notes
• Update to iOS 9 or later. ... 
• Open the Notes app on your iPad. ... 
• Tap the "<" button to view the folder list if you aren't prompted to 
upgrade. ... 
• Tap "Upgrade" in the upper corner. ... 
• Tap "Upgrade Now" when prompted. ... 
• Wait while your Notes app upgrades

>

Sorry if none of above is of any help at all for you ;-(

Kind regards,

Ronni

> On 1 May 2019, at 8:43 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
> 
> OK so I’m getting very confused with how notes synching works/does not work 
> in icloud:
>  
> On my iMac, OSX 10.11.6, Notes version 4.2 everything works fine – I can see 
> notes sections for icloud, bigpond, internode, outlook and “on my computer” I 
> create notes in the iCloud section and they go to my iCloud notes and can be 
> seen on all devices. Old notes that were shown as “on my computer” could just 
> be dragged and dropped to the icloud section and were then accessible across 
> devices.
>  
> Even on my (very) old iPhone 4 running ios 7.1.2 everything works fine – I 
> have the default account set as icloud and new notes are created in icloud 
> and are then accessible across devices.
>  
> However on my iPad running the most up-to-date compatible ios 10.3.3 I can 
> see all my icloud notes and I have icloud set as my default notes account BUT 
> every new note created is created “on my ipad”. 
> I can not find any way to change it so that new notes are created in icloud – 
> even though that is the default account. I also cannot move the notes from 
> “on my ipad” to “icloud” – I can go “edit” then select a note (or notes) and 
> hit “move to” but the only place which is available to move to (or create new 
> folders in) is “on my ipad” – ICLOUD just is not visible in the move to 
> window. 
>  
> I should note that Georgina sees similar behaviour on her devices – an iPhone 
> 4 which works fine and an older mini iPad running its most up-to-date 
> compatible ios 9.3.5 – in her case she can also see both icloud and on my 
> ipad notes but can only create notes on the ipad. Her settings are different 
> the only bit that allows a default account to be selected is “default account 
> for siri” which shows both icloud and on my ipad  but selecting icloud makes 
> no difference. Her settings also has a toggle switch for the “on my ipad” 
> account which is on – but the setting is greyed out and does not seem to let 
> you change it. Again selecting one of the on my ipad notes and trying the 
> “move to” command only shows destinations “on my ipad”
>  
> It seems very strange that this works fine on the mac and the very old 
> iphones but not on the ipads?
>  
> Any ideas.
>  
>  
> Cheers
>  
>  
> Neil
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> Albany, Western Australia
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Re: Vale Severin Crisp

[Seven Crisp]

Thank you Neil and all the rest of the good folks on the WAMUG for your very 
kind words. He always spoke highly and in such a friendly way about the WAMUG.

Kind Regards

Pete

> On 30 Apr 2019, at 5:13 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
> 
> So sad to hear of Severin’s passing. My sincere condolences to Jenny, Peter 
> and Andrew. Sev was a real gentleman, dedicated Mac user and man of many 
> interests and talents. As a fellow Albany resident, I would bump into him at 
> art exhibitions, good coffee shops and cafes and, of course, Albany Summer 
> school where he was one of the long term organisers.
>  
> Kind regards
>  
>  
> Neil
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> Albany, Western Australia
> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
> Email: n...@possumology.com
>  
>  
> From:  on behalf of Philippe 
> Chaperon 
> Reply-To: WAMUG 
> Date: Monday, 29 April 2019 at 14:56
> To: WAMUG 
> Subject: Re: Vale Severin Crisp
>  
> Hi Peter and All, 
>  
> Like so many I was saddened by the news that Severin Crisp passed away. He 
> was a great supporter of WAMUG and Apple and I am glad that his family will 
> continue with this tradition. 
>  
> To Peter Crisp and Severin’s family my sincere condolences. I have no doubt 
> that he is now resting peacefully. 
>  
> Kind regards, 
>  
> Philippe Chaperon
>  
> On 29 Apr 2019, at 12:13 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>  
> Hello WAMUG Members,
>  
> Peter Crisp has contacted me offlist as his email address is still being 
> moderated, and asked me to post his reply to the Mailing list members.
> Message From Peter below:
>  
> "Hi group, I am very sad to say my father (Associate Professor Severin Crisp) 
> passed away on Friday of last week. He had been in hospital for many months 
> late last year and more recently into a full care nursing facility from 
> January this year near to his dear wife Jenny. He had an illness which 
> overcame him Friday morning whilst in the nursing facility. He was a 
> delightful and very dear father. We had many happy years and times. 
>  
> He was my introduction to the Apple world too and I am very glad for that. My 
> family (5 of us) is exclusively Apple, and it has been a very reliable one 
> too. He is also my introduction to this forum. It has been great to be a part 
> of it with all of you being very helpful over the years for Dad, me and other 
> family members who have beneficiaries of the tips we have passed on. I will 
> be here for many years to come too.
>  
> I wish you all a happy day.
>  
> Sincerely
>  
> Peter Crisp."
>  
> ==
> Posted on behalf of Peter
> by Ronni
> 
> 
> On 29 Apr 2019, at 11:43 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>  
> Hello all,
>  
> I am so terribly sad and feel much empathy for Jenny, Peter, Andrew, and all 
> the family to hear dear Severin has passed away. 
> He truly was a great man, a thorough gentleman of the highest standards. 
> I feel very proud to have known Severin over the years as a very dear friend 
> who felt like family.
>  
> He will be sadly missed by everyone who knew him.
> Rest In Peace my dear Severin!
>  
> My deepest sympathies,
> Ronni
> 
> 
> On 29 Apr 2019, at 10:06 am, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>  
> Oh my goodness that is very sad !!
> I have had many a rewarding posting discussion with Severin.
> I find that quite a loss.
>  
> My very sincere condolences to his family and close friends.
>  
> 
> 
> On 29 Apr 2019, at 9:16 am, Mike Murray  wrote:
>  
> Hi muggers
>  
> Sad to see WAMUG member Severin Crisp's name in the West this morning.
>  
> Condolences to the family.
>  
> Mike
>  
> 
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> TimeTrackers
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> Melville, 6956
> Western Australia
>  
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> International +618 9339 8078
> Mob 0407 669 376
>  
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> 
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Re: Vale Severin Crisp

[Neil Houghton]

So sad to hear of Severin’s passing. My sincere condolences to Jenny, Peter and 
Andrew. Sev was a real gentleman, dedicated Mac user and man of many interests 
and talents. As a fellow Albany resident, I would bump into him at art 
exhibitions, good coffee shops and cafes and, of course, Albany Summer school 
where he was one of the long term organisers.

 

Kind regards

 

 

Neil

-- 

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Albany, Western Australia

Tel: +61 8 9841 6063

Email: n...@possumology.com

 

 

From:  on behalf of Philippe 
Chaperon 
Reply-To: WAMUG 
Date: Monday, 29 April 2019 at 14:56
To: WAMUG 
Subject: Re: Vale Severin Crisp

 

Hi Peter and All, 

 

Like so many I was saddened by the news that Severin Crisp passed away. He was 
a great supporter of WAMUG and Apple and I am glad that his family will 
continue with this tradition. 

 

To Peter Crisp and Severin’s family my sincere condolences. I have no doubt 
that he is now resting peacefully. 

 

Kind regards, 

 

Philippe Chaperon

 

On 29 Apr 2019, at 12:13 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:

 

Hello WAMUG Members,

 

Peter Crisp has contacted me offlist as his email address is still being 
moderated, and asked me to post his reply to the Mailing list members.

Message From Peter below:

 

"Hi group, I am very sad to say my father (Associate Professor Severin Crisp) 
passed away on Friday of last week. He had been in hospital for many months 
late last year and more recently into a full care nursing facility from January 
this year near to his dear wife Jenny. He had an illness which overcame him 
Friday morning whilst in the nursing facility. He was a delightful and very 
dear father. We had many happy years and times. 

 

He was my introduction to the Apple world too and I am very glad for that. My 
family (5 of us) is exclusively Apple, and it has been a very reliable one too. 
He is also my introduction to this forum. It has been great to be a part of it 
with all of you being very helpful over the years for Dad, me and other family 
members who have beneficiaries of the tips we have passed on. I will be here 
for many years to come too.

 

I wish you all a happy day.

 

Sincerely

 

Peter Crisp."

 

==

Posted on behalf of Peter

by Ronni



On 29 Apr 2019, at 11:43 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:

 

Hello all,

 

I am so terribly sad and feel much empathy for Jenny, Peter, Andrew, and all 
the family to hear dear Severin has passed away. 

He truly was a great man, a thorough gentleman of the highest standards. 

I feel very proud to have known Severin over the years as a very dear friend 
who felt like family.

 

He will be sadly missed by everyone who knew him.
Rest In Peace my dear Severin!

 

My deepest sympathies,
Ronni



On 29 Apr 2019, at 10:06 am, Stephen Chape  wrote:

 

Oh my goodness that is very sad !!

I have had many a rewarding posting discussion with Severin.

I find that quite a loss.

 

My very sincere condolences to his family and close friends.

 



On 29 Apr 2019, at 9:16 am, Mike Murray  wrote:

 

Hi muggers

 

Sad to see WAMUG member Severin Crisp's name in the West this morning.

 

Condolences to the family.

 

Mike

 

Mike Murray and Lesley Silvester

TimeTrackers

PO Box 197

Melville, 6956

Western Australia

 

Tel (08) 9339 8078

International +618 9339 8078

Mob 0407 669 376

 

British and Australian genealogical and historical research, 

education, publishing, film-making and DNA consulting

 

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Re: Vale Severin Crisp

[Philippe Chaperon]

Hi Peter and All, 

Like so many I was saddened by the news that Severin Crisp passed away. He was 
a great supporter of WAMUG and Apple and I am glad that his family will 
continue with this tradition. 

To Peter Crisp and Severin’s family my sincere condolences. I have no doubt 
that he is now resting peacefully. 

Kind regards, 

Philippe Chaperon

On 29 Apr 2019, at 12:13 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:

Hello WAMUG Members,

Peter Crisp has contacted me offlist as his email address is still being 
moderated, and asked me to post his reply to the Mailing list members.
Message From Peter below:

> "Hi group, I am very sad to say my father (Associate Professor Severin Crisp) 
> passed away on Friday of last week. He had been in hospital for many months 
> late last year and more recently into a full care nursing facility from 
> January this year near to his dear wife Jenny. He had an illness which 
> overcame him Friday morning whilst in the nursing facility. He was a 
> delightful and very dear father. We had many happy years and times. 
> 
> He was my introduction to the Apple world too and I am very glad for that. My 
> family (5 of us) is exclusively Apple, and it has been a very reliable one 
> too. He is also my introduction to this forum. It has been great to be a part 
> of it with all of you being very helpful over the years for Dad, me and other 
> family members who have beneficiaries of the tips we have passed on. I will 
> be here for many years to come too.
> 
> I wish you all a happy day.
> 
> Sincerely
> 
> Peter Crisp."

==
Posted on behalf of Peter
by Ronni

> On 29 Apr 2019, at 11:43 am, Ronni Brown  > wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I am so terribly sad and feel much empathy for Jenny, Peter, Andrew, and all 
> the family to hear dear Severin has passed away. 
> He truly was a great man, a thorough gentleman of the highest standards. 
> I feel very proud to have known Severin over the years as a very dear friend 
> who felt like family.
>  
> He will be sadly missed by everyone who knew him.
> Rest In Peace my dear Severin!
> 
> My deepest sympathies,
> Ronni
> 
>> On 29 Apr 2019, at 10:06 am, Stephen Chape > > wrote:
>> 
>> Oh my goodness that is very sad !!
>> I have had many a rewarding posting discussion with Severin.
>> I find that quite a loss.
>> 
>> My very sincere condolences to his family and close friends.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Apr 2019, at 9:16 am, Mike Murray >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi muggers
>>> 
>>> Sad to see WAMUG member Severin Crisp's name in the West this morning.
>>> 
>>> Condolences to the family.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mike Murray and Lesley Silvester
>>> TimeTrackers
>>> PO Box 197
>>> Melville, 6956
>>> Western Australia
>>> 
>>> Tel (08) 9339 8078
>>> International +618 9339 8078
>>> Mob 0407 669 376
>>> 
>>> British and Australian genealogical and historical research, 
>>> education, publishing, film-making and DNA consulting
>>> 
>>> www.timetrackers.com.au 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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[Ronni Brown]

Hello WAMUG Members,

Peter Crisp has contacted me offlist as his email address is still being 
moderated, and asked me to post his reply to the Mailing list members.
Message From Peter below:

> "Hi group, I am very sad to say my father (Associate Professor Severin Crisp) 
> passed away on Friday of last week. He had been in hospital for many months 
> late last year and more recently into a full care nursing facility from 
> January this year near to his dear wife Jenny. He had an illness which 
> overcame him Friday morning whilst in the nursing facility. He was a 
> delightful and very dear father. We had many happy years and times. 
> 
> He was my introduction to the Apple world too and I am very glad for that. My 
> family (5 of us) is exclusively Apple, and it has been a very reliable one 
> too. He is also my introduction to this forum. It has been great to be a part 
> of it with all of you being very helpful over the years for Dad, me and other 
> family members who have beneficiaries of the tips we have passed on. I will 
> be here for many years to come too.
> 
> I wish you all a happy day.
> 
> Sincerely
> 
> Peter Crisp."

==
Posted on behalf of Peter
by Ronni

> On 29 Apr 2019, at 11:43 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I am so terribly sad and feel much empathy for Jenny, Peter, Andrew, and all 
> the family to hear dear Severin has passed away. 
> He truly was a great man, a thorough gentleman of the highest standards. 
> I feel very proud to have known Severin over the years as a very dear friend 
> who felt like family.
>  
> He will be sadly missed by everyone who knew him.
> Rest In Peace my dear Severin!
> 
> My deepest sympathies,
> Ronni
> 
>> On 29 Apr 2019, at 10:06 am, Stephen Chape > > wrote:
>> 
>> Oh my goodness that is very sad !!
>> I have had many a rewarding posting discussion with Severin.
>> I find that quite a loss.
>> 
>> My very sincere condolences to his family and close friends.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Apr 2019, at 9:16 am, Mike Murray >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi muggers
>>> 
>>> Sad to see WAMUG member Severin Crisp's name in the West this morning.
>>> 
>>> Condolences to the family.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mike Murray and Lesley Silvester
>>> TimeTrackers
>>> PO Box 197
>>> Melville, 6956
>>> Western Australia
>>> 
>>> Tel (08) 9339 8078
>>> International +618 9339 8078
>>> Mob 0407 669 376
>>> 
>>> British and Australian genealogical and historical research, 
>>> education, publishing, film-making and DNA consulting
>>> 
>>> www.timetrackers.com.au 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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[Ronni Brown]

Hello all,

I am so terribly sad and feel much empathy for Jenny, Peter, Andrew, and all 
the family to hear dear Severin has passed away. 
He truly was a great man, a thorough gentleman of the highest standards. 
I feel very proud to have known Severin over the years as a very dear friend 
who felt like family.
 
He will be sadly missed by everyone who knew him.
Rest In Peace my dear Severin!

My deepest sympathies,
Ronni

> On 29 Apr 2019, at 10:06 am, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Oh my goodness that is very sad !!
> I have had many a rewarding posting discussion with Severin.
> I find that quite a loss.
> 
> My very sincere condolences to his family and close friends.
> 
> 
>> On 29 Apr 2019, at 9:16 am, Mike Murray > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi muggers
>> 
>> Sad to see WAMUG member Severin Crisp's name in the West this morning.
>> 
>> Condolences to the family.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> Mike Murray and Lesley Silvester
>> TimeTrackers
>> PO Box 197
>> Melville, 6956
>> Western Australia
>> 
>> Tel (08) 9339 8078
>> International +618 9339 8078
>> Mob 0407 669 376
>> 
>> British and Australian genealogical and historical research, 
>> education, publishing, film-making and DNA consulting
>> 
>> www.timetrackers.com.au 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Vale Severin Crisp

[Stephen Chape]

Oh my goodness that is very sad !!
I have had many a rewarding posting discussion with Severin.
I find that quite a loss.

My very sincere condolences to his family and close friends.


> On 29 Apr 2019, at 9:16 am, Mike Murray  wrote:
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Re: Should I be worried?

[Anthony (Tony) Francis]

Good morning Robin

My apologies for not answering you sooner.
You were correct, I had plugged in the Wireless Modem to the Computer as well 
as turning the Wi-Fi on, silly me, I didn’t think about the Modem as I don’t 
normally plug it into the Computer, problem solved.

Kind Regards

Tony

Boddington.

> On 22 Apr 2019, at 3:49 pm, Robin Belford  wrote:
> 
> Not really. You appears that you are on both WiFi and Ethernet simultaneously 
> and you are looking at some device on your Ethernet network. 
> 
> Robin
> 
>> On 22 Apr 2019, at 12:42 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I turned on my Wireless this morning and just checked the “Open network 
>> Preferences” and this is what showed. I have no idea who or what MR1100 is, 
>> should I be worried??
>> 
>> Thanks all
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tony 
>> 
>> Boddington
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: 1Password ?????

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> On 22 Apr 2019, at 5:25 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> I just asked my wife if she would like 1Password installed on her iMac.
> Her answer: "No thanks. I have got enough to remember already"
> 
> Regards,
> Stephen Chape
> 
> 

I can’t think of anything that causes more confusion for users than passwords. 
Most people I know are terrified of them, and the idea of introducing something 
extra to learn simply adds to the terror. Even those who I have been able to 
convince of the value of 1Password don’t take the time to learn how to use it 
properly, so their confusion worsens.

At least turn on Keychain for iCloud for her. It will keep track of all her 
passwords and she won’t even have to think about it. And it’s free.

Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
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[Robin Belford]

Not really. You appears that you are on both WiFi and Ethernet simultaneously 
and you are looking at some device on your Ethernet network. 

Robin

> On 22 Apr 2019, at 12:42 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I turned on my Wireless this morning and just checked the “Open network 
> Preferences” and this is what showed. I have no idea who or what MR1100 is, 
> should I be worried??
> 
> Thanks all
> 
> 
> 
> Tony 
> 
> Boddington
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Anthony (Tony) Francis]

Hi All,

I turned on my Wireless this morning and just checked the “Open network 
Preferences” and this is what showed. I have no idea who or what MR1100 is, 
should I be worried??

Thanks all



Tony 

Boddington





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Re: Best browser for AFL on Mac OS 10.6 or 10.8

[Brian W Scott]

Hi Peter,

Take a look on everymac https://everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/index-imac.html 
 and consider 
upgrading your OS to solve your site security problems.

When you find and load your computer’s details scroll down and find 
"Pre-Installed MacOS:” click on it for more details on a suitable OS.

I had similar problems on and older macmini and changed from Snow Leopard to El 
Capitan and now Safari is loading the web pages that it suddenly stopped 
showing with Snow Leopard.

Check their suggestions for RAM as well. More memory often helps in general 
functionality as well.

Cheers
Brian Scott


> On 18 Apr 2019, at 5:17 pm, Peter Faulks  wrote:
> 
> Hello WAMUG
> 
> Please advise which browser works best for some of the latest AFL or Soccer 
> pages, I have Safari, Chrome, Stainless and Firefox but they do not seem to 
> have the support or security settings for these and some other sites. (This 
> site no longer supports this page!)
> 
> Any suggestions  we have old iMac9
> 
>  Model Name:iMac
>   Model Identifier: iMac9,1
>   Processor Name:Intel Core 2 Duo
>   Processor Speed:  2.66 GHz
>   Number Of Processors: 1
>   Total Number Of Cores:   2
>   L2 Cache:6 MB
>   Memory:   4 GB
>   Bus Speed:1.07 GHz
>   Boot ROM Version: IM91.008D.B08
>   SMC Version (system):1.36f3
>   Serial Number (system): WQ9050FJ0TF
>   Hardware UUID:0B8662FA-4D6C-5E43-8003-03E5FF3FC085
> 
> These are 10.6.8 and My Lap top has 10.8
> 
> As pensioners we do not wish to upgrade to the latest  Macs or upgrade to new 
> operating systems because we do not want to purchase new equipment  and 
> software etc.
> 
> Any advice would be welcome
> 
> Faulksy
> 
> 
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Re: Best browser for AFL on Mac OS 10.6 or 10.8

[Stephen Chape]

Soccer Peter? Football if you don’t mind.
You would be reprimanded for swearing at my grandson’s Football Club for using 
that word.
The word “soccer” is simply an abbreviation for “association” as in Association 
Football.
It was coined over a hundred years ago by British upper class schools to 
distinguish it from “rugger” (rugby).
But then dropped by the British in the early 19 hundreds.


> On 18 Apr 2019, at 5:17 pm, Peter Faulks  wrote:
> 
> Hello WAMUG
> 
> Please advise which browser works best for some of the latest AFL or Soccer 
> pages, I have Safari, Chrome, Stainless and Firefox but they do not seem to 
> have the support or security settings for these and some other sites. (This 
> site no longer supports this page!)
> 
> Any suggestions  we have old iMac9
> 
>  Model Name:iMac
>   Model Identifier: iMac9,1
>   Processor Name:Intel Core 2 Duo
>   Processor Speed:  2.66 GHz
>   Number Of Processors: 1
>   Total Number Of Cores:   2
>   L2 Cache:6 MB
>   Memory:   4 GB
>   Bus Speed:1.07 GHz
>   Boot ROM Version: IM91.008D.B08
>   SMC Version (system):1.36f3
>   Serial Number (system): WQ9050FJ0TF
>   Hardware UUID:0B8662FA-4D6C-5E43-8003-03E5FF3FC085
> 
> These are 10.6.8 and My Lap top has 10.8
> 
> As pensioners we do not wish to upgrade to the latest  Macs or upgrade to new 
> operating systems because we do not want to purchase new equipment  and 
> software etc.
> 
> Any advice would be welcome
> 
> Faulksy
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Peter & Irene Faulks
> Unit 1, 9 Newsam Close
> PARKWOOD  Western Australia  6147
> 
> Phone:   +618 9457 0747 (h)
> Peter Mobile: 0416 187 937
> Irene Mobile:   0439 933 404
> Email:  peterfau...@westnet.com.au 
> Web Page:  http://www.peterfaulks.net/ 
> 
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Re: iCloud

[Ronni Brown]

That’s good to hear Peter.

Kind regards,
Ronni

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> On 3 Apr 2019, at 4:08 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni
> That fixed it, signing in via iCloud.com
> Thank you for your assistance.
> Kind regards
> Peter
> 
>> On 3 Apr 2019, at 2:29 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Can you sign into iCloud.com ?
>> Did you correctly enter the latest code sent?
>>• If you set up your Apple ID to require two-factor authentication or 
>> two-step verification, make sure you correctly enter the latest code sent to 
>> your device.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3 Apr 2019, at 1:06 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni
>>> Thank you for your response.
>>> I managed to get into the Apple ID account page OK only to find I’m already 
>>> set up for two factor authentication, the problem still exists. Should I 
>>> try turning off the two factor authentication and then turning it back on?
>>> Kind regards
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>>> On 2 Apr 2019, at 8:48 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>> 
>>>> Peter H would be attending the WAMUG AGM meeting tonight, so unavailable 
>>>> to reply to your message.
>>>> Setup two-factor authentication from your Apple ID account page.
>>>> 
>>>> Confirm which feature you're using
>>>> If you're not sure if you set up two-factor authentication or two-step 
>>>> verification, use these steps: 
>>>>   • Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
>>>>   • In the Security section, look for two-factor authentication or 
>>>> two-step verification, then see if the feature is off or on. 
>>>> 
>>>> If two-step verification is on, continue with the steps to turn it off, 
>>>> then turn on two-factor authentication. If two-factor authentication is 
>>>> on, then you're already set up. 
>>>> 
>>>> Before you can turn on two-factor authentication, you need to turn off 
>>>> two-step verification. Use these steps: 
>>>>   • Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
>>>>   • In the Security section, click Edit.
>>>>   • Click Turn Off Two-Step Verification. Click again to confirm.
>>>> 
>>>> You can Follow the full instructions at this Apple support link:
>>>> https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT207198
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Ronni
>>>> 
>>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2 Apr 2019, at 7:57 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Peter
>>>>> Thank you for your suggestion!
>>>>> I don’t have two-factor authentication set up and when I try to set it up 
>>>>> according to APPLE instructions I must go to System Preferences and 
>>>>> choose iCloud, then Security. Only problem is that when I go to System 
>>>>> Preferences and iCloud there is no option to select Security as it’s 
>>>>> asking me to put in my Apple ID then Password and then I go on the 
>>>>> roundabout of it asking for Apple ID and Password continually. The 
>>>>> options of General, Contact, Security, Devices and Payment aren’t there?
>>>>> So I still have the same problem.
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 1 Apr 2019, at 8:32 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do you have two-factor authentication set up? This will help sort this 
>>>>>> out once and for all.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 31 Mar 2019, at 2:59 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>> I have a red circle with a 1 in it on my System Preferences on my 
>>>>>>> MacBookPro, on going into preferences this symbol is on the iCloud icon 
>>>>>>> in there.
>>>>>>> I clicked onto this and it asked for my Apple ID and Password, on 
>>>>>>> supplying this the computer thought for a while and then went back to 
>>>>>>> the Apple ID screen again. I re entered my ID and Password again and 
&g

Re: iCloud

[Peter Curtis]

Hi Ronni
That fixed it, signing in via iCloud.com
Thank you for your assistance.
Kind regards
Peter

> On 3 Apr 2019, at 2:29 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Can you sign into iCloud.com ?
> Did you correctly enter the latest code sent?
>   • If you set up your Apple ID to require two-factor authentication or 
> two-step verification, make sure you correctly enter the latest code sent to 
> your device.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Ronni
> 
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> 
> 
> On 3 Apr 2019, at 1:06 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> Thank you for your response.
>> I managed to get into the Apple ID account page OK only to find I’m already 
>> set up for two factor authentication, the problem still exists. Should I try 
>> turning off the two factor authentication and then turning it back on?
>> Kind regards
>> Peter
>> 
>>> On 2 Apr 2019, at 8:48 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> Peter H would be attending the WAMUG AGM meeting tonight, so unavailable to 
>>> reply to your message.
>>> Setup two-factor authentication from your Apple ID account page.
>>> 
>>> Confirm which feature you're using
>>> If you're not sure if you set up two-factor authentication or two-step 
>>> verification, use these steps: 
>>>• Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
>>>• In the Security section, look for two-factor authentication or 
>>> two-step verification, then see if the feature is off or on. 
>>> 
>>> If two-step verification is on, continue with the steps to turn it off, 
>>> then turn on two-factor authentication. If two-factor authentication is on, 
>>> then you're already set up. 
>>> 
>>> Before you can turn on two-factor authentication, you need to turn off 
>>> two-step verification. Use these steps: 
>>>• Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
>>>• In the Security section, click Edit.
>>>• Click Turn Off Two-Step Verification. Click again to confirm.
>>> 
>>> You can Follow the full instructions at this Apple support link:
>>> https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT207198
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2 Apr 2019, at 7:57 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Peter
>>>> Thank you for your suggestion!
>>>> I don’t have two-factor authentication set up and when I try to set it up 
>>>> according to APPLE instructions I must go to System Preferences and choose 
>>>> iCloud, then Security. Only problem is that when I go to System 
>>>> Preferences and iCloud there is no option to select Security as it’s 
>>>> asking me to put in my Apple ID then Password and then I go on the 
>>>> roundabout of it asking for Apple ID and Password continually. The options 
>>>> of General, Contact, Security, Devices and Payment aren’t there?
>>>> So I still have the same problem.
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Peter
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1 Apr 2019, at 8:32 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you have two-factor authentication set up? This will help sort this 
>>>>> out once and for all.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 31 Mar 2019, at 2:59 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>> I have a red circle with a 1 in it on my System Preferences on my 
>>>>>> MacBookPro, on going into preferences this symbol is on the iCloud icon 
>>>>>> in there.
>>>>>> I clicked onto this and it asked for my Apple ID and Password, on 
>>>>>> supplying this the computer thought for a while and then went back to 
>>>>>> the Apple ID screen again. I re entered my ID and Password again and got 
>>>>>> the same result! 
>>>>>> I used the ‘Forgot Apple ID or password’ option and reset my password.
>>>>>> Back to the iCloud icon in System Preferences (which still had the red 
>>>>>> circle with the 1 in it) and was asked for my Apple ID and Password, 
>>>>>> when supplied with that it thought for a while again and then reset to 
>>>>>> ask for Apple ID and Password again.
>>>>>> I have done this several times to ensure that all was entered correctly, 
>>

Re: iCloud

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

Can you sign into iCloud.com ?
Did you correctly enter the latest code sent?
If you set up your Apple ID to require two-factor authentication or two-step 
verification, make sure you correctly enter the latest code sent to your device.

Kind regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 3 Apr 2019, at 1:06 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni
> Thank you for your response.
> I managed to get into the Apple ID account page OK only to find I’m already 
> set up for two factor authentication, the problem still exists. Should I try 
> turning off the two factor authentication and then turning it back on?
> Kind regards
> Peter
> 
>> On 2 Apr 2019, at 8:48 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Peter H would be attending the WAMUG AGM meeting tonight, so unavailable to 
>> reply to your message.
>> Setup two-factor authentication from your Apple ID account page.
>> 
>> Confirm which feature you're using
>> If you're not sure if you set up two-factor authentication or two-step 
>> verification, use these steps: 
>>• Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
>>• In the Security section, look for two-factor authentication or two-step 
>> verification, then see if the feature is off or on. 
>> 
>> If two-step verification is on, continue with the steps to turn it off, then 
>> turn on two-factor authentication. If two-factor authentication is on, then 
>> you're already set up. 
>> 
>> Before you can turn on two-factor authentication, you need to turn off 
>> two-step verification. Use these steps: 
>>• Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
>>• In the Security section, click Edit.
>>• Click Turn Off Two-Step Verification. Click again to confirm.
>> 
>> You can Follow the full instructions at this Apple support link:
>> https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT207198
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2 Apr 2019, at 7:57 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Peter
>>> Thank you for your suggestion!
>>> I don’t have two-factor authentication set up and when I try to set it up 
>>> according to APPLE instructions I must go to System Preferences and choose 
>>> iCloud, then Security. Only problem is that when I go to System Preferences 
>>> and iCloud there is no option to select Security as it’s asking me to put 
>>> in my Apple ID then Password and then I go on the roundabout of it asking 
>>> for Apple ID and Password continually. The options of General, Contact, 
>>> Security, Devices and Payment aren’t there?
>>> So I still have the same problem.
>>> Kind regards
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 1 Apr 2019, at 8:32 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Do you have two-factor authentication set up? This will help sort this out 
>>>> once and for all.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 31 Mar 2019, at 2:59 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> I have a red circle with a 1 in it on my System Preferences on my 
>>>>> MacBookPro, on going into preferences this symbol is on the iCloud icon 
>>>>> in there.
>>>>> I clicked onto this and it asked for my Apple ID and Password, on 
>>>>> supplying this the computer thought for a while and then went back to the 
>>>>> Apple ID screen again. I re entered my ID and Password again and got the 
>>>>> same result! 
>>>>> I used the ‘Forgot Apple ID or password’ option and reset my password.
>>>>> Back to the iCloud icon in System Preferences (which still had the red 
>>>>> circle with the 1 in it) and was asked for my Apple ID and Password, when 
>>>>> supplied with that it thought for a while again and then reset to ask for 
>>>>> Apple ID and Password again.
>>>>> I have done this several times to ensure that all was entered correctly, 
>>>>> but no change.
>>>>> I can access the App Store with the new Apple ID and Password no problem.
>>>>> If it was just in the System Preferences I would/could just leave it but 
>>>>> it pops up on my screen regularly.
>>>>> I don’t actually use iCloud, so loss of any information is not a worry, 
>>>>> just the annoying pop up and of course curiosity?
>>>>> I have made no changes to the computer that I’m aware of.
>>>>> I would

Re: iCloud

[Peter Curtis]

Hi Ronni
Thank you for your response.
I managed to get into the Apple ID account page OK only to find I’m already set 
up for two factor authentication, the problem still exists. Should I try 
turning off the two factor authentication and then turning it back on?
Kind regards
Peter

> On 2 Apr 2019, at 8:48 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Peter H would be attending the WAMUG AGM meeting tonight, so unavailable to 
> reply to your message.
> Setup two-factor authentication from your Apple ID account page.
> 
> Confirm which feature you're using
> If you're not sure if you set up two-factor authentication or two-step 
> verification, use these steps: 
>   • Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
>   • In the Security section, look for two-factor authentication or 
> two-step verification, then see if the feature is off or on. 
> 
> If two-step verification is on, continue with the steps to turn it off, then 
> turn on two-factor authentication. If two-factor authentication is on, then 
> you're already set up. 
> 
> Before you can turn on two-factor authentication, you need to turn off 
> two-step verification. Use these steps: 
>   • Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
>   • In the Security section, click Edit.
>   • Click Turn Off Two-Step Verification. Click again to confirm.
> 
> You can Follow the full instructions at this Apple support link:
>  https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT207198
> 
> Kind regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> On 2 Apr 2019, at 7:57 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter
>> Thank you for your suggestion!
>> I don’t have two-factor authentication set up and when I try to set it up 
>> according to APPLE instructions I must go to System Preferences and choose 
>> iCloud, then Security. Only problem is that when I go to System Preferences 
>> and iCloud there is no option to select Security as it’s asking me to put in 
>> my Apple ID then Password and then I go on the roundabout of it asking for 
>> Apple ID and Password continually. The options of General, Contact, 
>> Security, Devices and Payment aren’t there?
>> So I still have the same problem.
>> Kind regards
>> Peter
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Apr 2019, at 8:32 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do you have two-factor authentication set up? This will help sort this out 
>>> once and for all.
>>> 
>>>> On 31 Mar 2019, at 2:59 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi
>>>> I have a red circle with a 1 in it on my System Preferences on my 
>>>> MacBookPro, on going into preferences this symbol is on the iCloud icon in 
>>>> there.
>>>> I clicked onto this and it asked for my Apple ID and Password, on 
>>>> supplying this the computer thought for a while and then went back to the 
>>>> Apple ID screen again. I re entered my ID and Password again and got the 
>>>> same result! 
>>>> I used the ‘Forgot Apple ID or password’ option and reset my password.
>>>> Back to the iCloud icon in System Preferences (which still had the red 
>>>> circle with the 1 in it) and was asked for my Apple ID and Password, when 
>>>> supplied with that it thought for a while again and then reset to ask for 
>>>> Apple ID and Password again.
>>>> I have done this several times to ensure that all was entered correctly, 
>>>> but no change.
>>>> I can access the App Store with the new Apple ID and Password no problem.
>>>> If it was just in the System Preferences I would/could just leave it but 
>>>> it pops up on my screen regularly.
>>>> I don’t actually use iCloud, so loss of any information is not a worry, 
>>>> just the annoying pop up and of course curiosity?
>>>> I have made no changes to the computer that I’m aware of.
>>>> I would appreciate any thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
>>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
>>> Perth, Western Australia
>>> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
>>> 
>>> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
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Re: iCloud

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

Peter H would be attending the WAMUG AGM meeting tonight, so unavailable to 
reply to your message.
Setup two-factor authentication from your Apple ID account page.

Confirm which feature you're using
If you're not sure if you set up two-factor authentication or two-step 
verification, use these steps: 
Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
In the Security section, look for two-factor authentication or two-step 
verification, then see if the feature is off or on. 

If two-step verification is on, continue with the steps to turn it off, then 
turn on two-factor authentication. If two-factor authentication is on, then 
you're already set up. 

Before you can turn on two-factor authentication, you need to turn off two-step 
verification. Use these steps: 
Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
In the Security section, click Edit.
Click Turn Off Two-Step Verification. Click again to confirm.

You can Follow the full instructions at this Apple support link:
 https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT207198

Kind regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 2 Apr 2019, at 7:57 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter
> Thank you for your suggestion!
> I don’t have two-factor authentication set up and when I try to set it up 
> according to APPLE instructions I must go to System Preferences and choose 
> iCloud, then Security. Only problem is that when I go to System Preferences 
> and iCloud there is no option to select Security as it’s asking me to put in 
> my Apple ID then Password and then I go on the roundabout of it asking for 
> Apple ID and Password continually. The options of General, Contact, Security, 
> Devices and Payment aren’t there?
> So I still have the same problem.
> Kind regards
> Peter
> 
> 
>> On 1 Apr 2019, at 8:32 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Do you have two-factor authentication set up? This will help sort this out 
>> once and for all.
>> 
>>> On 31 Mar 2019, at 2:59 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> I have a red circle with a 1 in it on my System Preferences on my 
>>> MacBookPro, on going into preferences this symbol is on the iCloud icon in 
>>> there.
>>> I clicked onto this and it asked for my Apple ID and Password, on supplying 
>>> this the computer thought for a while and then went back to the Apple ID 
>>> screen again. I re entered my ID and Password again and got the same 
>>> result! 
>>> I used the ‘Forgot Apple ID or password’ option and reset my password.
>>> Back to the iCloud icon in System Preferences (which still had the red 
>>> circle with the 1 in it) and was asked for my Apple ID and Password, when 
>>> supplied with that it thought for a while again and then reset to ask for 
>>> Apple ID and Password again.
>>> I have done this several times to ensure that all was entered correctly, 
>>> but no change.
>>> I can access the App Store with the new Apple ID and Password no problem.
>>> If it was just in the System Preferences I would/could just leave it but it 
>>> pops up on my screen regularly.
>>> I don’t actually use iCloud, so loss of any information is not a worry, 
>>> just the annoying pop up and of course curiosity?
>>> I have made no changes to the computer that I’m aware of.
>>> I would appreciate any thoughts?
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
>> Perth, Western Australia
>> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
>> 
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Re: iCloud

[Peter Curtis]

Hi Peter
Thank you for your suggestion!
I don’t have two-factor authentication set up and when I try to set it up 
according to APPLE instructions I must go to System Preferences and choose 
iCloud, then Security. Only problem is that when I go to System Preferences and 
iCloud there is no option to select Security as it’s asking me to put in my 
Apple ID then Password and then I go on the roundabout of it asking for Apple 
ID and Password continually. The options of General, Contact, Security, Devices 
and Payment aren’t there?
So I still have the same problem.
Kind regards
Peter


> On 1 Apr 2019, at 8:32 am, Peter Hinchliffe  wrote:
> 
> Do you have two-factor authentication set up? This will help sort this out 
> once and for all.
> 
>> On 31 Mar 2019, at 2:59 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> I have a red circle with a 1 in it on my System Preferences on my 
>> MacBookPro, on going into preferences this symbol is on the iCloud icon in 
>> there.
>> I clicked onto this and it asked for my Apple ID and Password, on supplying 
>> this the computer thought for a while and then went back to the Apple ID 
>> screen again. I re entered my ID and Password again and got the same result! 
>> I used the ‘Forgot Apple ID or password’ option and reset my password.
>> Back to the iCloud icon in System Preferences (which still had the red 
>> circle with the 1 in it) and was asked for my Apple ID and Password, when 
>> supplied with that it thought for a while again and then reset to ask for 
>> Apple ID and Password again.
>> I have done this several times to ensure that all was entered correctly, but 
>> no change.
>> I can access the App Store with the new Apple ID and Password no problem.
>> If it was just in the System Preferences I would/could just leave it but it 
>> pops up on my screen regularly.
>> I don’t actually use iCloud, so loss of any information is not a worry, just 
>> the annoying pop up and of course curiosity?
>> I have made no changes to the computer that I’m aware of.
>> I would appreciate any thoughts?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
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Re: iCloud

[Peter Hinchliffe]

Do you have two-factor authentication set up? This will help sort this out once 
and for all.

> On 31 Mar 2019, at 2:59 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> I have a red circle with a 1 in it on my System Preferences on my MacBookPro, 
> on going into preferences this symbol is on the iCloud icon in there.
> I clicked onto this and it asked for my Apple ID and Password, on supplying 
> this the computer thought for a while and then went back to the Apple ID 
> screen again. I re entered my ID and Password again and got the same result! 
> I used the ‘Forgot Apple ID or password’ option and reset my password.
> Back to the iCloud icon in System Preferences (which still had the red circle 
> with the 1 in it) and was asked for my Apple ID and Password, when supplied 
> with that it thought for a while again and then reset to ask for Apple ID and 
> Password again.
> I have done this several times to ensure that all was entered correctly, but 
> no change.
> I can access the App Store with the new Apple ID and Password no problem.
> If it was just in the System Preferences I would/could just leave it but it 
> pops up on my screen regularly.
> I don’t actually use iCloud, so loss of any information is not a worry, just 
> the annoying pop up and of course curiosity?
> I have made no changes to the computer that I’m aware of.
> I would appreciate any thoughts?

Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

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Re: Excel - Office 365 Data Entry Form

[Philippe Chaperon]

Hi Neil and Daniel, 

Many thanks for your suggestion of keeping 2011 which, fortunately, I have not 
removed from any of my two computers. 

I read on an Excel forum that it is Apple who did put conditions on Microsoft 
threatening the publisher that if the conditions are not met in full, e.g. 
requesting ‘sandboxing’ etc, Office will not be sold in the App Store. This 
apparently explains why such vital functions as ‘Forms’ and some others were 
removed in the latest version of Excel.  I doubt this explanation would be 
correct although I do not quite understand what ’sandbox’ is, but who knows?

I am currently working on some VBA solutions, and if I am successful will share 
on our forum. 

Have a great afternoon, 

Philippe C.


On 28 Mar 2019, at 12:31 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:

Hi Philippe, hi Daniel,

Not directly related to the original post, but I reckon keeping Office 2011 
around on your computer is a good strategy.

In my case, when I jumped from Office 2004 to Office 365 I found that MS 
Outlook in Office 365 wouldn't import the Entourage database - but Outlook in 
2011 would. I didn't actually have Office 2011 at the time but I found that I 
could download it (I think because I had Office 365 membership - but I remember 
it took some finding!) and just used it as a stepping stone for the Entourage 
migration. 

I have also found that some Office 2004 documents suffered from formatting 
changes when opening and saving in Office 365. Often in those cases Office 2011 
would hold the formatting better and then, after saving as an Office 2011 
document, Office 365 would be fine. I know that, in theory, Office 2011 and the 
Office 2016 (in Office 365) use the SAME format - but maybe Office 2011 handles 
the old format better.

In fact, dealing with MS products often reminds me of the quote (attributed to 
many, including Einstein & Yogi Berra but preceding them both):
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in 
practice, there is."

Cheers


Neil


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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com

-Original Message-
From:  on behalf of Daniel Kerr 

Reply-To: WAMUG 
Date: Wednesday, 27 March 2019 at 01:28
To: WAMUG 
Subject: Re: Excel - Office 365 Data Entry Form

  Hi Philippe

  As I don’t really use those features, I’m not 100% sure,…but a quick look 
around found these,…if they help?
  
https://support.office.com/en-ie/article/create-forms-that-users-complete-or-print-in-excel-fd6797c2-30b6-42d8-9921-0feb123f5ca7

  
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Excel/2019-Excel-on-Mac-no-data-entry-form/td-p/286728

  The other option for those that require forms, is that you can still use 
Office 2011 as well as the later Office365. (If you kept it on your computer).
  If Office 2011 is still on your computer in the Applications folder then you 
can open Microsoft Excel and open the file you want from the “File - Open” menu.
  (or you can right click on the file you want to work with and choose “Open 
With”. then choose “Microsoft Excel 14.7.7 or 14.x.x (Version 14.x.x is Office 
2011 and version 16.x.x is Office365 currently).

  That hopefully will then give you the best of both worlds to access old data 
files that have,…and use the new version for other things.

  But yes, in Office365 they did remove quite a few features that Mac users 
were used to unfortunately. (Even some keyboard commands that were around since 
Excel 1.0,…they decided to change the keyboard commands “to be the same as 
Windows”. Or if we had features that weren’t in the Windows version they 
removed them rather then “trying to put it into the Windows version”.
  So either way,…we Mac users always seem to get the short end of the stick!

  Hope something there helps.
  Others who use it a lot more in-depth then me have some other answers.

  Kind regards
  Daniel

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  Phone: 0414 795 960
  Email: 
  Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>


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> On 27 Mar 2019, at 1:16 am, Philippe Chaperon  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good morning dear WAMUG’ers, 
> 
> Can someone who uses Excel from the Office 365 (for Mac) suite confirm that 
> the the Data Entry Form facility has been removed by MicroSoft?
> 
> I have always used this facility for data entry of some large spreadsheets I 
> use. And only 1 week ago took the plunge and took a subscription for Office 
> 365 and was surprised to find that the Data Entry Form button, from my Excel 
&

Re: Excel - Office 365 Data Entry Form

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Philippe, hi Daniel,

Not directly related to the original post, but I reckon keeping Office 2011 
around on your computer is a good strategy.

In my case, when I jumped from Office 2004 to Office 365 I found that MS 
Outlook in Office 365 wouldn't import the Entourage database - but Outlook in 
2011 would. I didn't actually have Office 2011 at the time but I found that I 
could download it (I think because I had Office 365 membership - but I remember 
it took some finding!) and just used it as a stepping stone for the Entourage 
migration. 

I have also found that some Office 2004 documents suffered from formatting 
changes when opening and saving in Office 365. Often in those cases Office 2011 
would hold the formatting better and then, after saving as an Office 2011 
document, Office 365 would be fine. I know that, in theory, Office 2011 and the 
Office 2016 (in Office 365) use the SAME format - but maybe Office 2011 handles 
the old format better.

In fact, dealing with MS products often reminds me of the quote (attributed to 
many, including Einstein & Yogi Berra but preceding them both):
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in 
practice, there is."

Cheers


Neil


-- 
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com

-Original Message-
From:  on behalf of Daniel Kerr 

Reply-To: WAMUG 
Date: Wednesday, 27 March 2019 at 01:28
To: WAMUG 
Subject: Re: Excel - Office 365 Data Entry Form

Hi Philippe

As I don’t really use those features, I’m not 100% sure,…but a quick look 
around found these,…if they help?

https://support.office.com/en-ie/article/create-forms-that-users-complete-or-print-in-excel-fd6797c2-30b6-42d8-9921-0feb123f5ca7


https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Excel/2019-Excel-on-Mac-no-data-entry-form/td-p/286728

The other option for those that require forms, is that you can still use 
Office 2011 as well as the later Office365. (If you kept it on your computer).
If Office 2011 is still on your computer in the Applications folder then 
you can open Microsoft Excel and open the file you want from the “File - Open” 
menu.
(or you can right click on the file you want to work with and choose “Open 
With”. then choose “Microsoft Excel 14.7.7 or 14.x.x (Version 14.x.x is Office 
2011 and version 16.x.x is Office365 currently).

That hopefully will then give you the best of both worlds to access old 
data files that have,…and use the new version for other things.

But yes, in Office365 they did remove quite a few features that Mac users 
were used to unfortunately. (Even some keyboard commands that were around since 
Excel 1.0,…they decided to change the keyboard commands “to be the same as 
Windows”. Or if we had features that weren’t in the Windows version they 
removed them rather then “trying to put it into the Windows version”.
So either way,…we Mac users always seem to get the short end of the stick!

Hope something there helps.
Others who use it a lot more in-depth then me have some other answers.

Kind regards
Daniel

---
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MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
Web:   <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>


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> On 27 Mar 2019, at 1:16 am, Philippe Chaperon  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good morning dear WAMUG’ers, 
> 
> Can someone who uses Excel from the Office 365 (for Mac) suite confirm 
that the the Data Entry Form facility has been removed by MicroSoft?
> 
> I have always used this facility for data entry of some large 
spreadsheets I use. And only 1 week ago took the plunge and took a subscription 
for Office 365 and was surprised to find that the Data Entry Form button, from 
my Excel 2011 spreadsheet, just does not work. I have gone through many Excel 
forums and to my horror have found that M/S has somehow made the Mac version of 
Excel but a very poor cousin of the Windows version. 
> 
> Has anyone got a solution, possibly via VBA? If not I feel I have made a 
big error to update MS Office to 365. 
> 
> Any help or suggestion will be appreciated. 
> 
> Many thanks & best regards,
> 
> Philippe Chaperon
> 
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Re: AGM and Nominations and Subscriptions.

[WAMUG Annoucement]

G’day all WAMUGERS.

Two quick notifications.

First, nominations for the Officer positions on the committee were very limited 
and there being no more than one nomination for each of only a couple of them 
the nominees will be elected unopposed next week at the AGM. There were also 
only a couple of nominees for the committee members so they will also be 
elected unopposed next week. Consequently, there will be no postal vote 
arranged.

Secondly, the list membership was updated last night and anyone who was not 
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message held “for moderation”, it means that we did not have a record of your 
payment. If you have paid, could you please resend a copy of the payment or 
details so that we can fix it up (to members...@wamug.org.au 
).

Regards,

Pete Smith

> On 19 Mar 2019, at 22:52, WAMUG Annoucement  wrote:
> 
> G’day all WAMUGERS.
> 
> The 2019 annual general meeting of the Western Australian Macintosh Users’ 
> Group will be held before the next monthly user group on Tuesday, 2 April 
> 2019, starting at 7.30pm.
> 
> Nominations are being called for positions on the committee as all positions 
> will be declared vacant. The closing date for nominations is next Tuesday, 26 
> March 2019 at 5pm. If there is more than one nomination for any of the four 
> Officer positions, a vote will held on the night to elect a nominee to the 
> relevant position. There will also be an online voting form to enable those 
> unable to attend the meeting to vote. If there is only one nominee for any 
> particular position, the person will be elected unopposed and no online vote 
> will need to be cast for that position.
> 
> The four Officer positions available are:
> 
> 1 President.
> 2 Vice President.
> 3 Treasurer.
> 4 Secretary .
> 
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> 
> Please consider helping out by coming onto the committee.
> 
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> free to drop me an email via the List. Please type AGM query in the Subject 
> line to enable easy identification of your email.
> 
> Subscriptions.
> 
> To be eligible to vote in the AGM you must be a current financial member. 
> Subscriptions for WAMUG are based on the calendar year so the 2019 annual 
> subscriptions fell due on the 1 January this year. A big thank you to all 
> those who have paid up and maintained their membership.
> 
> As is the usual practice, next Tuesday evening in the week before the AGM, 
> the membership list will be gone through and any unfinancial members will be 
> blocked from posting to the list until they become finacial, although you 
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Re: Excel - Office 365 Data Entry Form

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Philippe

As I don’t really use those features, I’m not 100% sure,…but a quick look 
around found these,…if they help?
https://support.office.com/en-ie/article/create-forms-that-users-complete-or-print-in-excel-fd6797c2-30b6-42d8-9921-0feb123f5ca7

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Excel/2019-Excel-on-Mac-no-data-entry-form/td-p/286728

The other option for those that require forms, is that you can still use Office 
2011 as well as the later Office365. (If you kept it on your computer).
If Office 2011 is still on your computer in the Applications folder then you 
can open Microsoft Excel and open the file you want from the “File - Open” menu.
(or you can right click on the file you want to work with and choose “Open 
With”. then choose “Microsoft Excel 14.7.7 or 14.x.x (Version 14.x.x is Office 
2011 and version 16.x.x is Office365 currently).

That hopefully will then give you the best of both worlds to access old data 
files that have,…and use the new version for other things.

But yes, in Office365 they did remove quite a few features that Mac users were 
used to unfortunately. (Even some keyboard commands that were around since 
Excel 1.0,…they decided to change the keyboard commands “to be the same as 
Windows”. Or if we had features that weren’t in the Windows version they 
removed them rather then “trying to put it into the Windows version”.
So either way,…we Mac users always seem to get the short end of the stick!

Hope something there helps.
Others who use it a lot more in-depth then me have some other answers.

Kind regards
Daniel

---
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MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
Web:   


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> On 27 Mar 2019, at 1:16 am, Philippe Chaperon  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good morning dear WAMUG’ers, 
> 
> Can someone who uses Excel from the Office 365 (for Mac) suite confirm that 
> the the Data Entry Form facility has been removed by MicroSoft?
> 
> I have always used this facility for data entry of some large spreadsheets I 
> use. And only 1 week ago took the plunge and took a subscription for Office 
> 365 and was surprised to find that the Data Entry Form button, from my Excel 
> 2011 spreadsheet, just does not work. I have gone through many Excel forums 
> and to my horror have found that M/S has somehow made the Mac version of 
> Excel but a very poor cousin of the Windows version. 
> 
> Has anyone got a solution, possibly via VBA? If not I feel I have made a big 
> error to update MS Office to 365. 
> 
> Any help or suggestion will be appreciated. 
> 
> Many thanks & best regards,
> 
> Philippe Chaperon
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Re: Strange iMac freezes

[Neil Houghton]

Wow - it is now well over a week of memory testing later - the downside of 
really loading up the RAM is that it takes a hell of a long time to run 
extensive testing!!  It also generates a LOT of heat - I ended up with a fan 
blasting air at the back of the iMac - just to be safe ;o)

 

In the end I used both Rember AND AHT to check various RAM configurations and I 
THINK I have isolated the problem module - luckily one of the 4GB ones. In the 
end, for consistence, I used extensive testing in AHT and in Rember I used 3 
loops.

 

I won't go into all the gory details but, in summary:
With 2x 8GB modules installed:
Rember; all RAM; 3 loop - passed
AHT; extended - Np problems found
With 2x4GB modules installed:
Rember; all RAM; 3 loop - FAIL on 1st pass at "solid bits" - at which point I 
did not bother with AHT to confirm a problem.
With 1x 4GB (A) module installed:
Rember; all RAM; 3 loop - passed
AHT; extended - Np problems found
With 1x 4GB (B) module installed:
Rember; all RAM; 3 loop - passed
AHT; extended - Failed to complete - computer locked - cursor not responding to 
mouse
AHT; extended - 2nd attempt - Failed to complete - computer locked - cursor not 
responding to mouse
With 2x8GB + 1x4GB (A) modules installed:
Rember; all RAM; 3 loop - passed
AHT; extended - Np problems found
 

Since my original testing with AHT and all 4 modules installed had indicated a 
RAM problem (with more than one test), my conclusion is that there is some 
problem with the 1x 4GB (B) module – even though it passed the Rember test this 
would not test the whole RAM. At this point I could have done more extensive 
testing of this module – start up in single user mode – run memtest from 
terminal – but, to be honest, I have had enough of that for the moment and will 
proceed with just the 20GB RAM installed which is passing all Rember and AHT 
tests.

 

Unfortunately, I am not at all sure that the RAM is actually the cause of my 
original crashes.

 

During every RAM configuration the iMac would boot up OK but on my first 
boot-up with the 2x8GB modules installed, I logged in to my main account and 
still had a freeze-up/crash. I then logged in to a bare admin account – at 
which point the Rember test passed. All subsequent Rember testing was done when 
logged in to the admin account. Obviously running AHT does not actually boot 
OSX so user accounts are not relevant.

Currently I am logged into my main account and all is working OK – so far. I am 
happy that there was SOME problem with the original RAM configuration which did 
not show up when booting but was revealed with dedicated memory testing – but I 
am not sure that that is the cause of my original problem.

 

If the original problem resurfaces my next step will be to try the OSX combo 
update.

 

If the problem STILL persists it would possibly indicate that the problem is in 
my user folder – possibly some corrupted file or preference file?

 

In the event of further problems I will report back.

 

One strange thing I found was that the exception to allow Rember to open did 
not “stick”:
Trying to just open Rember gives the message “Rember can’t be opened because it 
is from an unidentified developer.” – which was originally to be expected.
Clicking on the “Open Anyway” button on the security preferences pane just 
opens up the same message.
Finding the app in finder and using a “right-click” open option gives the 
warning ““Rember” is from an unidentified developer. Are you sure you want to 
open it?” but also says “Opening “Rember” will always allow it to run on this 
Mac.”
However, despite opening Rember, it subsequently still does not allow normal 
opening.
 

I would hope not to have to run Rember on a frequent basis! So this is more of 
a niggle than a problem – unless it may be relevant to my original problem??!

 

That’s all for now folks!

 

Cheers

 

 

Neil

 

 

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From:  on behalf of Neil 
Houghton 

Reply-To: WAMUG 

Date: Thursday, 14 March 2019 at 14:33

To: WAMUG 

Subject: Re: Strange iMac freezes

 

    Hi Daniel,

    

Thanks for the info & suggestions.

    

I don't think it is a heating problem. I used fan control software for 
quite a while when the original HD failed and I was running from my backup 
clone on an external drive. However when I replaced the HD and installed the 
SSD I used the OWC provided temperature sensor/lead and now the inbuilt system 
temperature control seems to work well. The HD fan seems to run a little faster 
than the original setup (maybe the 3TB Toshiba generates a bit more heat than 
the original 1TB drive) but iStat menus shows all temperatures as normal and 
fans ramping up as required.

    

Previously, on hot days, the internal temperatures did rise enough to get 
the fans speeding up a bit (as expected) but never gave any

Re: Update Office 365

[Severin Crisp]

I followed Daniels suggestion but cleaned out Office with CleanMyMacX first.   
All now seems fine, no updates needed.  We will see when the next Update batch 
arrives.   
Thanks for all the advice!
SeverIn

> On 18 Mar 2019, at 5:33 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
> 
> I should also mention that this problem has persisted through several updates 
> of Office and also several updates of the actual Update app.
>  
> From:  <mailto:wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au>> on behalf of Neil 
> Houghton mailto:n...@possumology.com>>
> Reply-To: mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Date: Monday, 18 March 2019 at 17:32
> To: mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Subject: Re: Update Office 365
>  
> Hi Severin,
>  
> This may or may not be relevant to your situation.
>  
> I have been finding MS AutoUpdate problematic for a while – though I do have 
> a working “workaround”
>  
> I have Office 365 installed on 3 different computers – all are running OSX 
> 10.11.6 – so an older OS than you.
>  
> On one of the computers AutoUpdate works fine. On the other two I have the 
> same problem and it was not immediately apparent exactly what the problem was 
> until I tried updating the apps one at a time (ie uncheck all the apps except 
> one) and carefully watched what happened:
> The app downloads as expected.
> The app installs as expected.
> The app verifies as expected.
> THEN
> The app starts downloading again!
>  
> After digesting this madness, I found that if I quit Autoupdate while it was 
> trying to re-download it and then reopened Auto update it would now recognise 
> that the app was updated and not show that there was any update available. I 
> can then do the same with one of the other apps.
>  
> This is obviously a bit of a pain – but I have more pressing matters to deal 
> with so, for the moment, my update workflow on the 2 problematic computers is:
> I have created an alias to the Microsoft Autoupdate app that is easily 
> accessible.
> I have set Autoupdate to notify me when updates are available but not to 
> update automatically.
> When it is update time I fire up Autoupdate and select one app to update and 
> then quit Autoupdate when it tries to download a second time.
> I then repeat the process for the other four office apps.
> A final launch of Autoupdate now confirms that I am up-to-date.
>  
> Of course, your problem might be completely different and unrelated – but it 
> would be easy to check by manually initiating the update of one app only and 
> carefully watching the process to see where the problem arises.
>  
> HTH
>  
>  
> Cheers
>  
>  
> Neil
>  
>  
> From:  <mailto:wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au>> on behalf of Severin 
> Crisp mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au>>
> Reply-To: mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Date: Monday, 18 March 2019 at 13:39
> To: WAMUG List mailto:wamug@wamug.org.au>>
> Subject: Update Office 365
>  
> I have High Sierra on a MacBook Air.  I have never before had any trouble  
> with the MSoft updates of Office 365.  The current update (16.23.0) 
> apparently runs, downloads the update bits for Excel, Power Point and Word 
> then halts in the installation - “…unable to download several update 
> segments.  Try again….. It has continued to fail over the last 2 weeks. 
> Suggestions please!  
> Severin Crisp
>  
> 
> Assoc Prof Severin Crisp, FIP, FAIP
> Clarence Estate, 55 Hardie Rd,
> Albany, Western Australia, 6330
> (Home:  15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence,
> Albany, Western Australia, 6330)
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Re: Membership subscription

[kalock]

Thanks Ronni.

Kevin


> On 19 Mar 2019, at 1:36 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
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> December.
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> 
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> On 19 Mar 2019, at 11:25 am, kal...@iinet.net.au  
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>> what the subscription fee is.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
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Re: Luna Display

[Marcus Harris]

Thanks Peter,
Marcus

Marcus Harris 75
 

> On 19 Mar 2019, at 7:41 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 18 Mar 2019, at 7:44 pm, Marcus Harris  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone utilised this device. Luna Display
>> The advertisement seems to show a useful way to integrate MacOS and iOS.
>> Marcus
> 
> I have been a keen user of Duet Display, which does essentially the same 
> thing: allows an iPad to act as a second display for a Mac. Very useful to 
> have when out and about with a laptop, but perhaps not quite so useful if 
> your main computer is an iMac. 
> 
> I have no experience with Luna, but where Duet requires a wired connection 
> between the iPad and the Mac, Luna can work wirelessly through a dedicated 
> dongle. This probably makes Luna a little more expensive than Duet, but  
> potentially more useful under certain circumstances, especially when running 
> a cable might be problematic.
> 
> Either way, having such an easily-transportable way of giving you a second 
> display for your Laptop can come in very handy. Just to be clear though - 
> neither solution provides for the integration of MacOS and iOS. That is to 
> say, the iPad can extend your Mac’s display, but not the other way around.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
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> On 18 Mar 2019, at 7:44 pm, Marcus Harris  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone utilised this device. Luna Display
> The advertisement seems to show a useful way to integrate MacOS and iOS.
> Marcus

I have been a keen user of Duet Display, which does essentially the same thing: 
allows an iPad to act as a second display for a Mac. Very useful to have when 
out and about with a laptop, but perhaps not quite so useful if your main 
computer is an iMac. 

I have no experience with Luna, but where Duet requires a wired connection 
between the iPad and the Mac, Luna can work wirelessly through a dedicated 
dongle. This probably makes Luna a little more expensive than Duet, but  
potentially more useful under certain circumstances, especially when running a 
cable might be problematic.

Either way, having such an easily-transportable way of giving you a second 
display for your Laptop can come in very handy. Just to be clear though - 
neither solution provides for the integration of MacOS and iOS. That is to say, 
the iPad can extend your Mac’s display, but not the other way around.

Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

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Re: Apple Store down

[Brian RISBEY]

Sad face but still hopeful. 17” MacBookPro still goes to work every day for the 
last 11 years. 

Brian Risbey 
OS12.1.4 👨🏻‍💻☕️

On 18 Mar 2019, at 22:08, Daniel Kerr  wrote:

No new computers unfortunately,…
Just a new iPad Air 10.5” and iPad mini Gen5 with updates. (both can use the 
Apple Pencil Gen1).
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/03/18/ipad-air-2019/
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/03/18/apple-announces-new-fifth-generation-ipad-mini-with-apple-pencil-support-revamped-retina-display-and-a12-chip/

Enjoy
Kind regards
Daniel

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> On 18 Mar 2019, at 7:15 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Best of luck on Apple ever releasing our beautiful 17-Inch MacBook Pro my 
> favourite ever Mac… Brian!
> I want new AirPods, my original are playing up.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
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> 
> 
>> On 18 Mar 2019, at 5:32 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
>> 
>> Fingers crossed. I have a long wishlist. 
>> Starting with a 17” MacBookPro! 16.5” will do. 
>> 
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No new computers unfortunately,…
Just a new iPad Air 10.5” and iPad mini Gen5 with updates. (both can use the 
Apple Pencil Gen1).
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/03/18/ipad-air-2019/
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/03/18/apple-announces-new-fifth-generation-ipad-mini-with-apple-pencil-support-revamped-retina-display-and-a12-chip/

Enjoy
Kind regards
Daniel

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requested. 

> On 18 Mar 2019, at 7:15 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Best of luck on Apple ever releasing our beautiful 17-Inch MacBook Pro my 
> favourite ever Mac… Brian!
> I want new AirPods, my original are playing up.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
>> On 18 Mar 2019, at 5:32 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
>> 
>> Fingers crossed. I have a long wishlist. 
>> Starting with a 17” MacBookPro! 16.5” will do. 
>> 
>> Brian Risbey 
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Re: Apple Store down

[Ronni Brown]

Best of luck on Apple ever releasing our beautiful 17-Inch MacBook Pro my 
favourite ever Mac… Brian!
I want new AirPods, my original are playing up.

Cheers,
Ronni
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> On 18 Mar 2019, at 5:32 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
> 
> Fingers crossed. I have a long wishlist. 
> Starting with a 17” MacBookPro! 16.5” will do. 
> 
> Brian Risbey 
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Re: Update Office 365

[Neil Houghton]

I should also mention that this problem has persisted through several updates 
of Office and also several updates of the actual Update app.

 

From:  on behalf of Neil 
Houghton 
Reply-To: 
Date: Monday, 18 March 2019 at 17:32
To: 
Subject: Re: Update Office 365

 

Hi Severin,

 

This may or may not be relevant to your situation.

 

I have been finding MS AutoUpdate problematic for a while – though I do have a 
working “workaround”

 

I have Office 365 installed on 3 different computers – all are running OSX 
10.11.6 – so an older OS than you.

 

On one of the computers AutoUpdate works fine. On the other two I have the same 
problem and it was not immediately apparent exactly what the problem was until 
I tried updating the apps one at a time (ie uncheck all the apps except one) 
and carefully watched what happened:
The app downloads as expected.
The app installs as expected.
The app verifies as expected.
THEN
The app starts downloading again!
 

After digesting this madness, I found that if I quit Autoupdate while it was 
trying to re-download it and then reopened Auto update it would now recognise 
that the app was updated and not show that there was any update available. I 
can then do the same with one of the other apps.

 

This is obviously a bit of a pain – but I have more pressing matters to deal 
with so, for the moment, my update workflow on the 2 problematic computers is:
I have created an alias to the Microsoft Autoupdate app that is easily 
accessible.
I have set Autoupdate to notify me when updates are available but not to update 
automatically.
When it is update time I fire up Autoupdate and select one app to update and 
then quit Autoupdate when it tries to download a second time.
I then repeat the process for the other four office apps.
A final launch of Autoupdate now confirms that I am up-to-date.
 

Of course, your problem might be completely different and unrelated – but it 
would be easy to check by manually initiating the update of one app only and 
carefully watching the process to see where the problem arises.

 

HTH

 

 

Cheers

 

 

Neil

 

 

From:  on behalf of Severin 
Crisp 
Reply-To: 
Date: Monday, 18 March 2019 at 13:39
To: WAMUG List 
Subject: Update Office 365

 

I have High Sierra on a MacBook Air.  I have never before had any trouble  with 
the MSoft updates of Office 365.  The current update (16.23.0) apparently runs, 
downloads the update bits for Excel, Power Point and Word then halts in the 
installation - “…unable to download several update segments.  Try again….. It 
has continued to fail over the last 2 weeks. 

Suggestions please!  

Severin Crisp

 



Assoc Prof Severin Crisp, FIP, FAIP
Clarence Estate, 55 Hardie Rd,
Albany, Western Australia, 6330
(Home:  15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence,
Albany, Western Australia, 6330)
Ph 0484 624 741
Email: sevcr...@westnet.com.au

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Update Office 365

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Severin,

 

This may or may not be relevant to your situation.

 

I have been finding MS AutoUpdate problematic for a while – though I do have a 
working “workaround”

 

I have Office 365 installed on 3 different computers – all are running OSX 
10.11.6 – so an older OS than you.

 

On one of the computers AutoUpdate works fine. On the other two I have the same 
problem and it was not immediately apparent exactly what the problem was until 
I tried updating the apps one at a time (ie uncheck all the apps except one) 
and carefully watched what happened:
The app downloads as expected.
The app installs as expected.
The app verifies as expected.
THEN
The app starts downloading again!
 

After digesting this madness, I found that if I quit Autoupdate while it was 
trying to re-download it and then reopened Auto update it would now recognise 
that the app was updated and not show that there was any update available. I 
can then do the same with one of the other apps.

 

This is obviously a bit of a pain – but I have more pressing matters to deal 
with so, for the moment, my update workflow on the 2 problematic computers is:
I have created an alias to the Microsoft Autoupdate app that is easily 
accessible.
I have set Autoupdate to notify me when updates are available but not to update 
automatically.
When it is update time I fire up Autoupdate and select one app to update and 
then quit Autoupdate when it tries to download a second time.
I then repeat the process for the other four office apps.
A final launch of Autoupdate now confirms that I am up-to-date.
 

Of course, your problem might be completely different and unrelated – but it 
would be easy to check by manually initiating the update of one app only and 
carefully watching the process to see where the problem arises.

 

HTH

 

 

Cheers

 

 

Neil

 

 

From:  on behalf of Severin 
Crisp 
Reply-To: 
Date: Monday, 18 March 2019 at 13:39
To: WAMUG List 
Subject: Update Office 365

 

I have High Sierra on a MacBook Air.  I have never before had any trouble  with 
the MSoft updates of Office 365.  The current update (16.23.0) apparently runs, 
downloads the update bits for Excel, Power Point and Word then halts in the 
installation - “…unable to download several update segments.  Try again….. It 
has continued to fail over the last 2 weeks. 

Suggestions please!  

Severin Crisp

 



Assoc Prof Severin Crisp, FIP, FAIP
Clarence Estate, 55 Hardie Rd,
Albany, Western Australia, 6330
(Home:  15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence,
Albany, Western Australia, 6330)
Ph 0484 624 741
Email: sevcr...@westnet.com.au

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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