On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:35:25PM +0200, mray wrote:
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> On 21.09.2015 19:48, Aaron Wolf wrote:
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> > FREE THE COMMONS
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> > That's it. Total chant, rallying cray, *verb*, uses "free" but without
> > the confusion… I feel good about it the moment I just wrote that…
> >
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> Instant like. T
On 21.09.2015 19:48, Aaron Wolf wrote:
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> On 09/21/2015 08:09 AM, mray wrote:
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>> On 20.09.2015 21:29, Aaron Wolf wrote:
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>>> On 09/20/2015 03:34 AM, mray wrote:
On 19.09.2015 21:10, Aaron Wolf wrote:
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>> @"we":
>> "we" might be less inclusive than "together", b
On 21.09.2015 22:09, Aaron Wolf wrote:
> We *are* planning later to offer to projects that are proprietary that
> they can work with us to get FLO and will be allowed as soon as they are
> FLO. We are *absolutely* about freeing things that aren't free, but
> abstractly: as in "free the technology
On 09/21/2015 03:46 PM, Bryan Richter wrote:
> I am writing a lengthier missive on this topic, but I wanted to
> briefly summarize my point of view. After much deliberation I have
> come to agree with most of Robert's points. Right now my top choice is
> "We support the digital commons".
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> Wel
+1 to Stephens suggestions and comments on "free software" vs "software
freedom"
On 18 Sep 2015 01:22, "Stephen Michel" wrote:
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> At the risk of turning this into another discussion of free vs libre vs
open, I'll also throw out there that I personally try to avoid using the
term "free software"
I am writing a lengthier missive on this topic, but I wanted to
briefly summarize my point of view. After much deliberation I have
come to agree with most of Robert's points. Right now my top choice is
"We support the digital commons".
Well, ok, I'll make this one a little longer right now. There
On 09/21/2015 10:41 AM, mray wrote:
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> On 21.09.2015 05:02, Aaron Wolf wrote:
>> My vote now: ***Help Free the Commons***
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> Staring with "help" sounds desperate.
> It also is very vague. Help in what way?
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> Helping to free something also sounds like it isn't free, but you set it
> free.
On 09/21/2015 08:09 AM, mray wrote:
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> On 20.09.2015 21:29, Aaron Wolf wrote:
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>> On 09/20/2015 03:34 AM, mray wrote:
>>> On 19.09.2015 21:10, Aaron Wolf wrote:
> @"we":
> "we" might be less inclusive than "together", but my point was that it
> addresses the human facto
On 09/21/2015 10:48 AM, Aaron Wolf wrote:
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> On 09/21/2015 08:09 AM, mray wrote:
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>> On 20.09.2015 21:29, Aaron Wolf wrote:
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>>> On 09/20/2015 03:34 AM, mray wrote:
On 19.09.2015 21:10, Aaron Wolf wrote:
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>> @"we":
>> "we" might be less inclusive than "together"
For some reason there's a little bit missing from my past email. Here's
the last bit:
- Do you feel that the site and the organization/community are distinct
entities?
- If so, must they have the same slogan?
- Which slogan are we brainstorming for right now?
~Stephen
On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at
On 21.09.2015 05:02, Aaron Wolf wrote:
> My vote now: ***Help Free the Commons***
Staring with "help" sounds desperate.
It also is very vague. Help in what way?
Helping to free something also sounds like it isn't free, but you set it
free. We are not doing this. We try to make people create thi
On 20.09.2015 21:29, Aaron Wolf wrote:
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> On 09/20/2015 03:34 AM, mray wrote:
>> On 19.09.2015 21:10, Aaron Wolf wrote:
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@"we":
"we" might be less inclusive than "together", but my point was that it
addresses the human factor at all. (unlike "funding free culture").
"w
Hi folks,
Been following along with interest.
I find "digital commons" a bit obscure, and not evocative of free culture
or even FLOSS. (And is culture digital, just because the files are stored
on computers?)
I think "funding free culture—together" works well. (I may be biased as
I've been using
I recall us once deciding to distinguish between "Snowdrift" the tech
we've built, and "Snowdrift.coop" the site and organization. This is
possibly relevant, as "Snowdrift" (the tech) could well be adapted to
parks and such if someone starts an org for it and forks our code. If
that happens down
On 09/20/2015 02:02 PM, Stephen Michel wrote:
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> On September 20, 2015 4:12:03 PM EDT, David Thomas
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>> Count me amongst those who feel "Funding ..." sounds too much like
>> we've got a big pool of money we're giving out based on our
>> (exclusive) discretion, and I don't think "We
I think some market research could be a great thing. I have some
contacts in that field - I'll see if I can scare up some volunteer
effort from someone who knows what they're doing.
On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Stephen Michel
wrote:
> I'll also put forward, I ***really*** (3 stars!) like 'he
On September 20, 2015 4:12:03 PM EDT, David Thomas
wrote:
>Count me amongst those who feel "Funding ..." sounds too much like
>we've got a big pool of money we're giving out based on our
>(exclusive) discretion, and I don't think "We fund" does much to fix
>it.
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>"Working together to fund..."
I'll also put forward, I ***really*** (3 stars!) like 'help fund' as the first
two words of our slogan.
I think we're nearing a couple of final options. Perhaps it would be a good
idea to conduct some (informal) "market research"? Make a survey that lists a
couple of our top choices and ask a f
On 09/20/2015 03:34 AM, mray wrote:
> On 19.09.2015 21:10, Aaron Wolf wrote:
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>>> @"we":
>>> "we" might be less inclusive than "together", but my point was that it
>>> addresses the human factor at all. (unlike "funding free culture").
>>> "we" is almost as important as the financial and freedo
Count me amongst those who feel "Funding ..." sounds too much like
we've got a big pool of money we're giving out based on our
(exclusive) discretion, and I don't think "We fund" does much to fix
it.
"Working together to fund..." is better on that count, and doesn't
strike me as terribly awkward,
On 19.09.2015 21:10, Aaron Wolf wrote:
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>> @"we":
>> "we" might be less inclusive than "together", but my point was that it
>> addresses the human factor at all. (unlike "funding free culture").
>> "we" is almost as important as the financial and freedom parts of us.
>> "together" overreaches in
On 09/19/2015 05:09 AM, mray wrote:
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> On 18.09.2015 19:14, Aaron Wolf wrote:
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>> Robert, I basically agree with all your critiques of the current slogan,
>> and the clunkiness of ", together" although it's still clear that "we"
>> doesn't jump out as a welcome inclusiveness. In fact, I think
Back on topic: we could use something like "Funding a culture of Freedom,"
(though that isn't as direct) or "Funding Freedom Culture" (though that's
awkwardly phrased). "Clearing freedom's path," (short) "Clearing the path
for a culture of freedom," (long) or a similar, medium-length slogan coul
On 18.09.2015 19:14, Aaron Wolf wrote:
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> Robert, I basically agree with all your critiques of the current slogan,
> and the clunkiness of ", together" although it's still clear that "we"
> doesn't jump out as a welcome inclusiveness. In fact, I think it's weak
> enough that it's better to go wi
On 09/18/2015 03:19 AM, mray wrote:
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> On 17.09.2015 18:55, Bryan Richter wrote:
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>> It's true: We *do* have a slogan, and arguments to change it must be
>> heard.
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> My argument is that brevity, concision, simplicity and clarity are
> qualities to care about. I don't assume they guarant
Here's a brainstorm.
We fund
Funding
Towards
For
Supporting
We support
Patrons of
Creating
Realizing
Shared
Open
Free
Respectful
Communal
Natural
Human
Culture
Software
Works
Commons
Arts
Progress
Technology
Goods
Innovation
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On 17.09.2015 18:55, Bryan Richter wrote:
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> It's true: We *do* have a slogan, and arguments to change it must be
> heard.
My argument is that brevity, concision, simplicity and clarity are
qualities to care about. I don't assume they guarantee a good slogan -
but I think they indicate effecti
At the risk of turning this into another discussion of free vs libre vs
open, I'll also throw out there that I personally try to avoid using
the term "free software" when I'm advocating, because people who aren't
already familiar with the movement hear those two words, come to an
immediate conc
I like it.
The only alternative I can think of is "WE FUND FLO CULTURE."
The downside compared to "free" is that people don't immediately know
what it means.
The upside is it's more nuanced, and provides a nice jumping point into
explaining what we mean by FLO.
I have no marketing expertise,
Copying my reply from the design list (this discussion does belong on
the general discuss list)
On 09/16/2015 03:54 AM, mray wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
>
> It is time to have a fruitful discussion about our slogan, we don't have
> one - but we should. My current mock-ups just use "FUNDING A FREE
On 09/17/2015 09:55 AM, Bryan Richter wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 06:02:52PM -0600, Peter Harpending wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 09:50:13PM +0200, mray wrote:
>>> Hello everybody,
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>>> So here is my candidate:
>>>
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>>> "WE FUND FREE CULTURE."
>>>
>>> WE indicates that it is
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 06:02:52PM -0600, Peter Harpending wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 09:50:13PM +0200, mray wrote:
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > So here is my candidate:
> >
> >
> > "WE FUND FREE CULTURE."
> >
> > WE indicates that it is about people (many!), maybe including you
> >
On 17.09.2015 06:13, Aaron Wolf wrote:
> Copying my reply from the design list (this discussion does belong on
> the general discuss list)
>
> On 09/16/2015 03:54 AM, mray wrote:
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>>
>> It is time to have a fruitful discussion about our slogan, we don't have
>> one - but we
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 09:50:13PM +0200, mray wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
>
> It is time to have a fruitful discussion about our slogan, we don't have
> one - but we should. My current mock-ups just use "FUNDING A FREE
> CULTURE" but that isn't anything that has been decided at all.
> We are abo
Hello everybody,
It is time to have a fruitful discussion about our slogan, we don't have
one - but we should. My current mock-ups just use "FUNDING A FREE
CULTURE" but that isn't anything that has been decided at all.
We are about to create promotional resources and eventually I'd like to
make u
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