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Hi Shaun,
Oh, was it now? I hate to burst your bubble, but Jaws was not the first
screen reader. Just the only one to gain national attention and claimed they
were the first and only one for the blind. this is exactly the kind
I've encountered the atitude that I don't use a cane because it shows I'm
blind
Actually this came up when i was applying for a guide dog last year (I'm
stil on the list).
the thing I find odd, is that I use a cane not for anyone else, or for
appearence, but just for me!
My sense of space
That's really quite bad Sean, and also probably not ultimately in your best
interests, sinse I've found if you show yourself to be incapable people will
(understandably), treat you as such, give no weight to your opinions, and
not really reguard you as a person.
last night I was at a lecture
Hi Thomas,
That's cool that you broke all the rules. But you know some clients,
especially maybe newly blind, may be feeling overwhelmed and so when their BSVI
counselor told them not to use the new very expensive equipment that they just
bought for them for anything other than what it was
Hi Jim,
Same here. Other than a few pieces of access software like Jaws,
Megadots, and Openbook as well as a braille printer I purchased my
first IBM PC and HP scanner out of my own money with some help from my
family since it was to be used primarily for college etc. So since it
was mine I
Hi Shaun,
Oh, was it now? I hate to burst your bubble, but Jaws was not the
first screen reader. Just the only one to gain national attention and
claimed they were the first and only one for the blind. this is
exactly the kind of ignorance BSVI and other agencies promote.
For instance, when
are celibrating their 25th aniversary at the moment so
presumably they started in 1986!
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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yeah.
Thats a point.
The sighted use the mouse when the keyboard is faster.
So being blind has some advantages.
And we can do crazy things
well the cane has limitations.
Using it is not that bad.
Some people are just rood thats all.
Ofcause any big crouds and I can't really use any cane like funding events.
Yes I can use it for so long but after that not a chance.
I don't mind people noticing me being blind.
Mostly its a blessing.
Hi,
Besides the fact computers were very expensive in the 80's and 90's PC
Dos and MS Dos really didn't get home users interested in computers.
It actually forced the user to type something, a valid command like
cd docs
rather than just pointing and clicking on it. People are, well, sort
of lazy,
Well I have changed since then.
Don't think I would play the lazy card unless I was really tired, but
then I know better now.
At 06:22 p.m. 29/04/2011, you wrote:
That's really quite bad Sean, and also probably not ultimately in
your best interests, sinse I've found if you show yourself to be
I got this from an hj interview cast released.
All the big projects are mentioned the smaller ones were mentioned as
not being that good.
I wander if there is or should be a history of screenreaders since
noone really knows what came first.
jaws was the first big reader.
But all the smaller
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Hi Shaun,
Oh, was it now? I hate to burst your bubble, but Jaws was not the
first screen reader. Just the only one to gain national attention and
claimed they were the first
Interestingly enough this came up recently.
my mum asked someone she knows a computer related question of how to setup
an E-mail account, on the basis that this person always uses her pc for
chatting on msn and buying stuff online so she should know.
the friend knew nothing because all she
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Hi Jim,
Interesting. That could always be. Perhaps some rehab counselors have
some opinion that their clients should not put games
HI Dark,
As someone who does tech support for a living I can say I've been
their done that. I hate to sound critical or negative about my clients
as they pay me to help them with things, but your points are very
valid ones. Since the introduction of graphical operating systems like
Windows the
, 2011 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The importance of patronage
Yet the center was open pon saturdays and people came to use their
computers there? very insane!
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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You just hit on the number one way Microsoft got so big with the pc.
They made it moron proof by just click.
I am currently training someone with sight on the computer. They are
not doing to bad. I did get them to start thinking that just because
the info shows up on the browser it is still not
: [Audyssey] The importance of patronage
You just hit on the number one way Microsoft got so big with the pc. They
made it moron proof by just click.
I am currently training someone with sight on the computer. They are not
doing to bad. I did get them to start thinking that just because the info
You can also try turning off the screen.
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Behalf Of Charles Rivard
Sent: 29 April 2011 15:21
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Disconnect the mouse
well I have always learned what i call mouse to keyboard translation.
I know left click is same is arrowing to highlight the item.
double is enter on it right click is the app key.
Learning what things are layout is important also the menus.
If someone tells me click on this icon in the corner
Hi Shaun,
You know, that's about the most insulting comment I've heard from you
in a while. We should not be putting our fellow blind brothers/sisters
down for belonging to an institution or being unaware of what
alternatives their are. The entire point Dark was trying to make about
the RNIB and
Hi Dark,
Well, I think there are always a few that do meet the stereotypical
view no matter where you go. I've met more than my share of the kind
that want everything done for them etc at summer camp, blind
conventions, etc but there are also plenty of people who don't meet
this stereotypical
, but it
doesnt mean the blind iOS community in Poland isn't growing.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:46 PM
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Sounds
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The importance of patronage
Hi
: Thursday, April 28, 2011 2:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The importance of patronage
Hi,
Yeah, I've met a few narrow minded individuals like that. I was at a
blind convention in Columbus one time, and I talked to a few other
blind computer users there about the fact that I write accessible
True tom, and this is another reason I'm so anxious to make people know that
more than just azabat exist.
The computer is just for work thing is actually an interesting, and rather
depressing, one.
I myself actually went through a similar notion when I first got my laptop
provided by my
Hi Tom.
well I must confess I don't associate particularly with younger blind people
in this country other than some I've met through this list or online
precisely because they can become extremely cleaquey, have lacking or none
existant social skills, fail to do things for themselves and
It's not just people in the UK... in Canada, it can be a lot of the
same.. it all depends on what kind of system you get put in. We only
have one school for the blind in Canada... and a lot of the people
I've sceen come out of that are some of the cockiest and most stuck
up people... and
Nice to here though that some alternatives to the shark exist.
I remember actually in about 2003, I had played some if, and was trying to
look into playing muds.
I mailed someone at alterean just being generally confused about the hole
thing and their response was to pass the mail to one of
Hi Dark,
I think you are absolutely right. I believe a lot of the computer for
work type attitude largely comes from a misguided sense of fairness
or responcibility. Especially, when the computer in question is
purchased by the state for a specific purpose like school or work. In
the mind of the
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The importance of patronage
Hi,
Yeah, I've met a few narrow minded individuals like that. I was at a blind
convention in Columbus one time, and I talked to a few other blind computer
users there about the fact that I write accessible games and their opinions
were a bit odd
Hi tom.
I was thinking about this issue, and one question to ask people did occur to
me.
Say you were paraplegic and a state agency bought you a wheel chair.
Would you effectively not use that chair to go anywhere fun just because the
state bought it for you?
There are lots of similar
off,
won't be much good for gaming if I do.
Game on.
Tom
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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The importance of patronage
Hi Tom
Hi Dark,
Ah, but I think you already know the answer to that. Someone might
make a case something as basic as a wheelchair or white cane is a
necessary item for day to day travel, not only for your personal
safety, but for basic mobility. Something like game x is not necessary
and they'd accuse
28, 2011 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The importance of patronage
Hi Tom,
Oops! Sorry about that. Somehow I got my wires crossed.
Cheers!
On 4/28/11, Tom Randall kf6...@comcast.net wrote:
Very well said Tom. One minor correction I actually live in central
California not Canada.
Game
Hi Thomas,
I have talked with people who told me that they had been told that since BSVI
bought their computer that they were not allowed to put games on it. So it may
not be the individuals but some of the rehab people telling them such things.
But I do know of other rehab councilors that
Hi Jim,
Interesting. That could always be. Perhaps some rehab counselors have
some opinion that their clients should not put games on their
machines. That's an attitude that is rediculous since they aren't
hurting anything by being there, and as has been stated that doesn't
stop the client from
Hi Charles,
Right you are. Z'z'z'z'z'z'z'z'zap indeed. Lol!
Your extended zap reminds me a lot of back in junior high and high
school a friend and I use to write short stories on our BrailleN'
Speaks. Since we couldn't get authentic sounds for our audio books we
made them up by stringing long
well tom if it actually involved getting the state to pay for game X I'd
agree, however it would seem as silly to me not! to use the computer to it's
full potential inside and outside work really, but your right, some people
just can't get away from certain ideas.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
, April 28, 2011 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The importance of patronage
Hi Thomas,
I have talked with people who told me that they had been told that since
BSVI bought their computer that they were not allowed to put games on it.
So it may not be the individuals but some of the rehab
: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
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Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 3:36 AM
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I was asked to try to get
well It was for a while.
Just like norton was the best software.
But it all went down hill sort of.
No one is the best now in this reguard.
all readers have the same features.
jaws has been round the longest and is recognised and recomended by
most orgs and others as the standard which it is
well my dad says the computer is for work.
I have a player on here, yes games for when I am not working, in the
player I can play music for whatever on whatever I like so its for both.
Its also fair to say that games have been in the dos system since
qbasic and probably gwbasic existed there
well I have an aunt who is not comfortable with a cane.
She recons it can trip people up.
That it needs watching etc, and that its not my right to take the
entire path when I walk, etc, etc.
Ofcause with that person I don't use the cane, mainly because I don't
want that type of argument all day
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To: Thomas Ward Gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The importance of patronage
Hi Thomas,
I have talked with people who told me that they had been told that
since BSVI bought their computer that they were
Its probably naughty as.
But on ocation while say at a camp or something where people don't
know me and I am sure I won't get discovered by someone that knows
that although I work hard I am as lazy as a slothe, I act like a poor
blind and everything gets done and I laze round.
Though that
yeah this is confusing.
The first 2 systems I got from the state.
Technically I had to only use them for work.
And had to return it to them when I no longer needed it.
No one inforced this and it was known people played games on it.
As it was by the time I wanted to return it the system was old
body, but not his spirit...'
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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:19 AM
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Hi Dark,
Well, I think there are always a few that do
well it all depends on if its monitered or inforced.
Technically I was not supposed to do anything bar use my own software.
But I have always done that.
anyway Its not like I play during working hours or when I have to
work so whats the issue.
At 09:44 a.m. 29/04/2011, you wrote:
Hi Thomas,
I
I must say It was me that decided to venture out the box.
I was taught what I needed to know.
Everything was set so the blind could use it for what it was designed for.
That I could crack that security and do what I wished was a thrill.
I kept it to myself though.
At 07:31 p.m. 28/04/2011, you
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
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Hi Dark,
Well, I think
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I was asked to try to get some blind people who frequently visited a center
for the blind interested in audio games. I agreed. So I took some games,
copied onto a CD, to the center and was going to install them onto their
computers that the people
Hi Tom.
Similar arguements in the case of blackjack can be made about several of
their other games, solitare, scrabble, concentration, mine sweeper, connect
four, battleships, basic sudoku (though they do sell several other
varients), their 54 dollar crossword cds, hangman, and several other
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The importance of patronage
Know what you mean. They are literally the only games that I've found that
are sold here in the UK. To be honest, RNIB call themselves, a charity
Helping people with sight loss, but the only thing they do is go on
about
how much people have
Hi Dark and all.
Yes what you are talking about is a really serious problem, one factor of
course is that blind people need to be told that these games are out there
and where they go is usually to one of these organizations whether you're
talking about the U.K. or the U.S. or anywhere else I'm
impaired
child to to learn self defense, the organization would most likely just tell
them that there is no such service available.
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Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey
Hi Tom.
What you say about demographics is perfectly true, however there are several
points to considder.
Firstly, even if we assume that all older blind people over the age of 60
(which if I remember rightly is roughly %75 of all blind people), will only
be interested in traditional games,
Hi Johny.
sounds familiar, I mentioned my very similar expeirence to yours regarding
the pen friend with mine and the mobile phone.
I actually briefly ran across audio games very early on in 2003 when I was
looking at the whitestick.co.uk site's online games list, but disregarded
trying
Hi Dark,
That's a very good question. I'm not really sure what the answer is,
but there are ways of getting the news out there if you think of ways
of getting maximum exposure and bypassing the RNIB. For instance, you
might be able to call up one of your popular news papers, one that is
well
Hi Dark,
Yeah, I certainly could write a Dominoes game if I were so inclined.
However, the issue isn't weather game x is easy or difficult to
program I think what you are talking about is the issue of how one
company's or person's product gains dominence in a certain market for
seemingly no
Hi Dark,
I here you there. I've seen this attitude that blind people are
helpless far too many times than I care to remember. Which reminds me
of a funny story that sort of makes this point.
As many people know I lost my vision gradually so I had plenty of
years to play video games, use
LOL!
FWIW, while I live here in South Africa, I have actually been quite
impressed dealing with the export department of the RNIB shop - but, OTOH, I
suppose it also happens only when I have already decided what I want them to
send me as such, so maybe they think I am a past 60-year old
on the phone).
I've however done that, so we'll see what happens.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
beware the Grue!
Dark.
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From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za
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Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey
Hi Tom.
i'd not thought of the news papers actually, i'll considder that one though
that might take some more doing if I want to kick up a fuss, I might
actually wait until i'd done my phd and then can call myself a disability
expert ;D.
I've contacted two major organizations, Guide
Well Tom, I'm not sure how it is in the states, but over here there is one
group of young blind people who do! conform to stomething of a sterriotype.
I've noticed that some blind people (especially those who went to specialist
schools), are! pretty useless, expect everything to be done for
: dark d...@xgam.org
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Lol Jacob, the rnib like people giving them money, maybe they're
hoping you'll die and leave cash to them in your will ;D
well I know for a fact that we have better stuff like as a bat.
Its disgusting that an org caters for the poor blind stereo type.
Not only that but inferior titles really since simular games, like
kitchensinc are out.
Then there is the rsgames client and quentin c playroom for online play.
well che There are loads of card games and such round.
And its all a matter of choice.
What client you want.
Free or played, yours, all in play I think are payed for.
Then you have rsclient and quentin c which have simular titles on offer.
At 03:35 p.m. 27/04/2011, you wrote:
Hi Dark, I've
Well I started just comming out of the instatutional phase in the 90s.
So it was all a bit of a test, now everything has moved foreward.
Its not perfect in fact in some aspects, like creative ideas etc has
all gone by the book but things change its better than it was.
There are sort of
not to mention that blackjack and other things are replicated both
online, in offline game clients to and as external programs.
True these are not all in a suite but I know of at least 3 suites 2
of which are free and at least 1 or so standalones, including 2 older
dos standalones and several
well I never play that anyway.
Though one of the games we really need is ulsas.
You basically are at the bottem of your job ladder your objective is
to become the ceo of the company if you fail, then its cleaning
toilets for you for the rest of your life.
Its simular to monopoly.
I was going
Well before this goes offtopic which it will by the morning as it
always fills up, Lets just say I have stories I could share with you.
Stories about agencies that give you the cheapist equipment which
breaks loads and needed replacing at my own cost 2 years later.
And software like jaws
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[mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Che Sent: 27 April
2011 04:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The
importance of patronage Hi Dark, I've heard from others the RNIB
is a crusty joke as well, though thatâs really all I know of them
: Re: [Audyssey] The importance of patronage
Hi Tom.
Similar arguements in the case of blackjack can be made about
several of their other games, solitare, scrabble, concentration,
mine sweeper, connect four, battleships, basic sudoku (though they
do sell several other varients), their 54
well there are a lot of simple games for the blind but each dev has
their own twists.
In fact q9 was just a simple side scroller for me.
I brought mainly because phil benefall has put humer in the game and
it made me laugh.
So there is a twist.
Each dev has a twist.
Ofcause that was before
I never g got the hang on that anyway.
Never was able to play it right and never was that interested in that anyway.
At 07:16 p.m. 27/04/2011, you wrote:
Hi Dark,
Yeah, I certainly could write a Dominoes game if I were so inclined.
However, the issue isn't weather game x is easy or difficult to
well tom except for beginner manuals I started off with, there are so
many shortcuts that bar say games I don't look at manuals or help at all.
If a program is done properly then most things will have labeled keys
which the reader will read.
most have a list of shortcuts.
ANd if not depending
well I went to a special school for a while the way its done these
days is half and half.
You stay as normal as you can.
You do do different training now days here.
As you get to sertain ages you learn newer skills eventually you
loose support in sertain areas.
anything else can be ordered
That's a rather narrow view sean.
Afterall in suppose someone, like Tom's mum, went blind in this country
and asks about arcade style and online games.
who is going to tell her? who does the health service refer her to for
support?
the rnib, and all they will inform her of game wise
Wow! You've got to be kidding me! That's bad.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:57 AM
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The specific reason I mentioned blind adrenaline Che
Blackjack should be clasified as free games in my opinion.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:46 AM
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Know what you mean
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Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:03 AM
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Hi Tom.
Similar arguements in the case of blackjack can be made about several of
their other games, solitare, scrabble
on.
Tom
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Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:48 PM
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Hi Tom.
What you say about demographics
Hope the idea works. I support you though.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 10:24 AM
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Lol Jacob, the rnib like people giving them money
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Wow! You've got to be kidding me! That's bad.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:57 AM
Subject: Re
Actually Muhammed, that's not the case.
I'm currently talking to action for blind people and guide dogs of
organizations about getting the knolidge that other games besides azabat's
exist, and they showed no schyepticism.
It's very easy to tell whether a game is real or false, just try
are the Knights who say...Ni!
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Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:26 PM
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Actually Muhammed, that's not the case.
I'm currently talking to action
thats true dark.
Its not the case of people actually trying to find the games but for
people to know they exist in the first place and to have an interest.
This may be hidden and they may discover it by chance only like me.
When I started I had no wish to play games, it took a lot of reading
to at least try to
alter the situation.
Best regards and game on.
Tom
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...Ni!
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Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:26 PM
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Actually Muhammed, that's not the case.
I'm currently talking to action for blind people
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Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:06 PM
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Hi Dark. you might also try contacting the bbc radio program in touch with
peater white as hoste and see if you
Hi Dark,
I've heard from others the RNIB is a crusty joke as well, though that’s
really all I know of them is hear say.
Regarding blind adrenaline, we've not done nearly as much marketing in the
U.K. as we should, but as soon as I finish our next game for the card room
site sometime in the
the cnib
hear in Canada is a joke as well. well I hope this helps. from Mich.
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Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:35 PM
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Hi Dark,
I've
Hi Mich.
I'm afraid one problem I do have as a rather atypical visually impared
person (actually I admit I have something of a prejudice against certain
sorts of institutionalized blind people), is that I miss some stuff.
This might be one.
if however you know this podcast service, feel
The specific reason I mentioned blind adrenaline Che, is that one of the
games on the azabat vol 1 cd is blackjack.
it seems amazingly unreasonable to me that people who may be interested in
playing card games are being palmed off with a version of blackjack which
can only be played offline,
Hi Dark,
Azabat Backgammon does have a distinct advantage in that you can take them
with you; no internet requitred. Although, overall, there isn't much you
would want those for.
Best Regards,
Hayden
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org
I'm hoping manu will fix the internet business of pontes backgammon soon,
sinse I don't think that was his intention.
In fact my only real problem with pontes backgammon is I've not found anyone
online at all ever despite having the game open many times.
I hope it's working correctly.
Dark,
You are right. That is a bit unreasonable given there are a number of
accessible Blackjack games just as good. We have Jim's Casino, and of
course I have been revising USA Blackjack to run on Windows, Linux,
and hopefully Mac if I find someone to do the port. Paying $13 or $14
for a
and they sometimes
feature guide dogs for the blind among other things.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/intouch/
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