Re: [313] err...
What about rock then? Do Fugazi, The Beatles and Manowar share an agenda? Bravo!!! That is a great rebuttal!!! The motive for rock-n-roll as we see it today was based on both economic and labor issues in America. As some of the creators of rock, they were almost children of the gospel scene... Fugazi is in the same angst line as black flag and others, with a clear message inside the lyrics (I forget the lyrics, its been a few), but still dealing with blue collar middle class issues... Look at all of Bruce Springsten's lyrics, and country's, there are clear similarity in social political stance... The Beatles are a little different, nor would I call them rock , but they were a product really of marketing at first, talented yes, but molded and marketed in a way that propelled them to the top, they played pop music at first. It should be noted that they *quickly* moved to support the growing sentiment against war and civil rights issues (lennon want a borderless world for instance), after just an album or two, they became very political, heavily defined by a political agenda... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com
Re: [313] err...
On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 07:17:28PM -0600, Chris Ege wrote: What about rock then? Do Fugazi, The Beatles and Manowar share an agenda? !bigup citing manowar in a 313 argument Of course you know that was done specifically for you. :) -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly
deep house list?
Hi :) Is there a list that talks about deep house? Or whatever you want to call the music that kdj and theo prrish (and like) make. Thanks :) emma mee-thod -it's in the way that you groove it-
Re: [313] no sense...but not unexpected
Re: There's got to be some explanation for all this. Other than what was mentioned here before about the possibly of some marketing guy from Ford dug techno; I highly doubt it was anyone at Ford who originaly thought up this concept...the advertising agency that Ford contracted is responsible for that, not Ford Motor Company. The ad agency saw a link between FordDetroitTechno and they then came up with a concept for the ad and then presented it to the marketing people at Ford in what is commonly called a pitch. The techno guy was most likely at the ad agecny, not Ford Motors. As far as writing to ABC about this poll... Does anyone think that they are going to redo the website with Jeff Mills, Oliver Ho, and Dave Clarke as choices? I can just imagine if they did most tossers looking at those choices would screw up their faces in absolute confusion as to who the hell their choices were. Does anyone on 313 think about going to the ABC website, of all places, to answer a poll on your favorite techno artist? Does this poll matter really? Is it going to change how techno music is going to sound? Fer chris'sake they just use the word techno because it's a catch-all. If they used the word 'house' nobody would know what the hell they were talking about...favorite house band? you mean like the dudes who play those Skynard covers down at Joe's Bar and Grill? Yeah, I was upset for a moment about thisfor a moment. It's the same as with jazz music. Most people think that Brian Setzer and his Orchestra and clones are really swing jazz. They aren't even close. Do I care? Does it degrade the swing jazz I listen to? No friggin way it does! I know Setzer can't even touch the dirt that Ellington and others walked on. Write in to ABC if you want but I think your time and energy could be better spent other ways. Fred _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] the creator
Originated from My House by Italo Ecstasy in 1986 (ZYX Records). Matt E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.magicmattkelly.com who is the creator of this words ? in the beginning was jack... Jose Bello.Spain i first heard these words on mr. fingers can you feel it but i have this feeling that it is not the original. i have read from somewhere in the that these words are from osheen my house but i have not heard the track... sakke
Re: [313] ?
BUT, Detroit techno is indeed a little different in that it is very much tied to jazz and blues, almost equaled to... in what way? The Detoit's appoach to techno is one of improvization and soul (such as with Jazz), whereas, the more european sounds, or to be specific, the sounds in which richie hawtin is king at, is more super-structured and bound to presition and subtlety. Look at how Detroit techno lovers are in love with tricks and such, very similar to say a drum solo on a jazz band. Its not a similar sound, rather it is a simliar approach between detroit techno and jazz... But the essence of techno is simplicity and repetition, it is the base if you will to all other forms of music... i always thought that the essence of the music was the feeling it had, Well, I attest that things have changed with techno... I feel that what techno has tapped into is the feeling of the listener, the projection outwards of the listener. Other music tells you what to feel... OK, before that stament gets misconstrued, let me draw examples... The modern art movement, something in which my family was very involved in (to give credibility to my statements), was based on the notion that the viewer of the art was the one to add the emotion, not totally the artist. To look at a giant canvas painted all yellow is not the artist telling you what to feel, but rather, it is an invitation to the viewer to add *whatever* emotion they so desire. To look at this all yellow canvas, one person might cry, while another might laugh, and neither can say what the artist was feeling. However, in contrast, you look at a Monet, or say a Rembrant, you can hardly make your emotions go in whatever direction you want- In short order, look at a Rembrant, and you feel generally what he felt. Look at a painting of solid color, and you have no way of knowing the emotions of the artist, you are the one who matters, your emotions defines the painting... Repetitious techno follows the same thing. It doesn't tell you what to feel, or even what the artist was feeling, (aside from basics, such as intensity or calmness - like either a yellow canvas, or a blue canvas), you, the listener, is the one that adds the defining emotion, one person listening may cry, while his freind laughs. Listen to trance, or some more complex detroit techno, and you feel exactly what the artist intended you to feel... BTW, this is the toneshift theory... a single repetitious sound starts changing because it is your mind that is wandering and adding melody, you are shifting, in any way you want, the tones in your head... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com
RE: [313] Annoying automatic reply in Swedish
Speaking of list moderators..who are they now? I am pretty sure the infamous George Smiley retired long time ago..any info on this character? Is Andrew Duke one of them? :D Andrew Duke is the walrus _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] the creator
Subject: Re: [313] the creator On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, jose bello wrote: who is the creator of this words ? in the beginning was jack... Jose Bello.Spain i first heard these words on mr. fingers can you feel it but i have this feeling that it is not the original. i have read from somewhere in the that these words are from osheen my house but i have not heard the track... Well, here it is AGAIN..TP should start a history of house and techno hotlinehe he he he This subject came up on the 313 list a few months back, I saved the message that Terrence Parker posted with the answer to this seemingly omnipotent question. So with all credit due to TP, here is his answer: The ORIGINAL VERSION of the famous speech In the beginning there was Jack, and Jack had a groove . . . . is by ITALO ECSTASY. The track is entitled MY HOUSE, and was ORIGINALLY released on XYZ RECORDS late in the year 1986. Yes, it was used as a vocal drop on top of many instrumental recordings over the years, including Mr. Fingers' CAN YOU FEEL IT. But don't get it twisted ladies and gentlemen. The Mr. Fingers' version (which was originally a BOOTLEG) is NOT WHERE THIS SPEECH ORIGINATED FROM! (Terrence Parker) hope this helps michael renegaderhythms _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] err...
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Otto Koppius wrote: I think one big assumption that's being made throughout this discussion is that Ford decided who to nominate. That decision is made by the AMA organisation, not the sponsors. The AMA most likely decides the nominees based on sales and publicity etc. and then there's no surprise that those three names come up (it's not exactly the first time this sort of thing happens). When Ford first started airing the Ford ads late 1999 they showed the small hatchback model pulling into a parking garage. A group of raver types are sitting in the car, the car being squished between two cars parked too close. So they pop the hatch and clumb out the back, all the while a house track is playing in the background. So it could be the marketing people put two and 2.5 together a while ago. And with Ford's current ad campaign theme, it's no surprise either that they decide to sponsor such an award, even though they know it's not the real techno. In any case, it's the closest thing at the AMA they have for reaching the intended target audience. Assuming they show the ad during the awards, it will certainly make people wonder what Detroit Techno is. Then it's up to 'us' show them what it all is about (and not flame polite-but-ignorant newbies like what happened to that raver kid a few weeks ago!). Is the ad I'm referring to the one y'all are talking about? Steven White steve at barking cat dot org aytch tee tee pea colon slash slash barking cat dot org slash
Re: [313] err...
I think that was a Honda comercial that had the raver types but anyone breathing today would have to be either blind and deaf, a media hermit, or clueless to have not been exposed to images of ravers or electronic dance music of one genre or another being used in whatever media format. So it's not even a question of putting anything together to get the Ford Focus commercial. Any marketing department that doesn't include rave culture (as they call it) in their campaigns is going to lose out. They know it, we know it. The big question is: Are you buying it? Fred PS The next wave will most likely be throw-backs to the 80's. I ain't joking. When Ford first started airing the Ford ads late 1999 they showed the small hatchback model pulling into a parking garage. A group of raver types are sitting in the car, the car being squished between two cars parked too close. So they pop the hatch and clumb out the back, all the while a house track is playing in the background. So it could be the marketing people put two and 2.5 together a while ago. And with Ford's current ad campaign theme, it's no surprise either that they decide to sponsor such an award, even though they know it's not the real techno. In any case, it's the closest thing at the AMA they have for reaching the intended target audience. Assuming they show the ad during the awards, it will certainly make people wonder what Detroit Techno is. Then it's up to 'us' show them what it all is about (and not flame polite-but-ignorant newbies like what happened to that raver kid a few weeks ago!). Is the ad I'm referring to the one y'all are talking about? Steven White steve at barking cat dot org aytch tee tee pea colon slash slash barking cat dot org slash - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
RE: [313] err...
Re: FORD COULD CARE LESS ABOUT TECHNO! THEY JUST WANT TO SELL CARS! that's the bottom line. AMEN BROTHER! Please believe that everyone! Don't think that they are friendly to techno music anymore than they are friendly to countrywestern New Age music. What they are most friendly to is a guy named George Washington. Well, George and Shell Oil. Check these sites for info on how Ford has felt towards others: http://www.kwaku.org/bh/ford/boycott_ford_motor_company.htm http://www.millennium-debate.org/ind21july.htm http://detnews.com/menu/stories/45459.htm http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm And let's not forget the ongoing battle about the tire recall... if they thought there was a big enough market for Midget Transsexual Racecar Drivers they would exploit that. Oh I wish they would...then I might buy one of their crappy cars. it's all about appealing to a mass of people and then moving in for the kill, it has about as much to do with techno as the AMA has to do with music :) Wha? You mean that the AMA isn't about quality but quantity? Oh man! My whole outlook on life is totally trashed now! What can I believe in anymore? The only award I think most techno artists would accept would be one voted on by their fans. Maybe an award ceremony at the next DEMF? Fred _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] err... darw_n's brain is too big
In a message dated 12/6/00 4:35:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i believe the common goal of techno is to create music that hasn't been heard before. i've heard plenty of artists say the same thing most notably juan atkins and jeff mills. is this not enough of a unifying definition and a common goal for ya? : ) kao jyan Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for saying that. All this intellectualism is unnecessary. Music please...maestro? G l y p h
RE: [313] err...
While I'm sure there are good intentions in this... I think this points out the fundamental flaw in awards systems: it aims to declare something better than something else. One of the things I enjoyed most about the DEMF performances is the rich diversity and overall top-notch talent represented. I think the awards shows are (and I'm sure this comes as no surprise to anyone) money-driven pageants of PURE SHAME :). Really though... I think the recognition comes in merely performing at the festival... which I held and will hold in extremely high regard. That is, unless they start selling the Ford Focus DEMF Edition :). Ryan Heard -Original Message- From: FRED MCMURRY [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 1:57 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] err... snip The only award I think most techno artists would accept would be one voted on by their fans. Maybe an award ceremony at the next DEMF? Fred
Re: [313] err...
--- Steven White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What we know and what they miss is so simple: all that has to happen is for people to hear the music with an open mind. Word. -Dave- __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] Marketing, advertising, Ford and techno (yet again)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Everything - from the design of the product to how it is promoted, marketed and advertised - is researched and coordinated to maximize the desired result: selling it to the consumer. Yeah. To hell with investing time and money on designing and manufacturing the superior automobile at a given price/performance point. Instead, make the same crap but market it differently. Like the Toyota Echo - where the ads don't describe the comfort, carrying capacity, fuel economy, engine design, crash-worthiness, materials composition, warranty or any of that other useless boring stuff... it comes with an in-dash CD player and the people in the ad dress like my friends do! Marketing drives this capitalistic society we live in, and it, like much of the rest of what's around us, is just illusion and bullshit. Sink, swim, surf or ignore. - Craig
Re: [313] err...
darwin's ancestor in a primordial soup bid suggested: could go on and on. So invite someone to say, the techno movement has ___. fill in the blank. the techno movement arose from the youth of detroit seeking to locate themselves in a future that was different from the urban decay of the present. emma mee-thod -it's in the way that you groove it-
Re: [313] Gemini Discog
Question for ya - What record did the collaboration of JT Donaldson and Spencer Kincey 'The Ride' come out on? I've ALWAYS loved this track, never known where it's from. Dave __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
RE: [313] err... darw_n's brain is too big
Go into politics instead of boring us with pointless discussions about techno, geeez it's just music!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, I am not saticfied with that, it would imply that we are pretty boring and lazy. No, there is causation for everything, things just don't happen for the hell of it. There is something to keep in mind, there is a global scene in which embodies techno, the rave scene. There is definate reason behind that scene, it is not existing for the hell of it, there is very real sociological catelysts behind it, and again, there is real reason for the rave scene clentching onto techno like it has... Another thing, artists often disregard more scientific explainations in that science isn't all that artsy, and inderstandably so. But I propose that this is why Jeff Mills and others have complete skirted more scientific explainations, its not art to do so... And so be it, and visa versa, it is my desire to interpret what is happening. BTW, we have gone nearly 15 years with barely any analysis... and analysis is *definately* needed when a movement overtakes the entire globe, almost all authority figures are scared, so on and so forth... you cant just brush it off as a social fluke... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:Subject: Convextion
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Duke) wrote: in defense of Convextion: he sent me two acetates about a year or so ago and they were far far from being basic channel style dub with roland strings on top; they were quite excellent, actually, and the material still sounds fresh to this day. I listened to the acetates that you debuted on your show and I would say like his previous material on Matrix I hear a distinct Basic Channel influence, there's also a string and pad element. Of course, the real audio quality on your show was poor so I could be mistaken. listen to his tracks on matrix's digital sects 2 compilation and they still sound fresh 7 years later. I am very familiar with his work on the Matrix label and it is exceptional. As far as sounding fresh 7 years later I think your being modest with that statement. Has it been 7 years? Damn, that was a long time ago. his full length is taking so long because he's got tons of tracks done and keeps recording more and more. Thats not what I hear, but of course you are a reliable source one would think. word is that this album will be a *variety* of styles, not just tech-house. convextion is too talented to settle for copying; That's good to know, I hope certain other American tech-house producers (who like to work with textures) take note when this album actually does come out. i'm sure the album will be extremely impressive. hope this clears things up. thanks. andrew duke :) Your not the only one with high expectations. This is the follow up to those highly successful Convextion records on Matrix. thanks, stephen. PS, play more John Tejada on your Cognition Audio works show
Re: [313] Gemini Discog
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] messed around with filters and compression to make the sounds now known as: This is the AMG discog for starters. 1997 Imagine-A-Nation Relief 1997 In and Out of Fog and Lights Peacefrog 1997 In Neutral Distance 1990 Let Your Body Rock Cut It Up Def s 1995 A Moment of Insanity [EP] Planet E 1997 Hibernation [EP] Peacefrog 1997 Beyond Gone Disko B s 1997 Pieces of Euphoria SSR s 1999 In My Head EP [EP] Classic 1999 Take Your Time EP [EP] Cyclo 1999 In My Head EP, Part 2 [EP] Classic 1999 Doctor Doctor [CD5/Cassette Single] Thump s To which, I can add (in no particualr order): 1997 Revolution (featruing the tracks, Movement, of, the, and body) - NRK (This one's great!) 1999 Revolutions EP (featuring tracks from Derrick Carter, Gemini How Can I Be, JT Donaldson and Underground Evolution) - Cyclo 1995 If You Got to Believe in Something - Cajual 221 1993??? The Beginning - Relief 703 (The Beginning is a great track) 1994 U Know How I Feel - Relief 710 (Probably My Least Favorite of His EPs) 1994 Imagine a Nation - Relief 715 (Listed as an album on AMG. I've never seen it as a 2x pack though) 1997 On the North Star With Gemini - Peacefrog 065 (This is that one with dubbier basslines - quite good too) 1994 Spencer Kincey - Tangled Thoughts Vol. 1 - Cajual 211 1995 Welcome to the Future - Relief 725 And, one other 12 with a track called Spirits Vibe. I believe it was the first release on that label too. Searched through all of my records twice and I can't find it. I know it was around here somewhere, but maybe someone can fill in that hole for me. Of these I can highly recommend Pieces of Euphoria on SSR, Revolution, On the North Star and the one I can't find, but really they're all worth having. I'm sure there are others too. Tristan He also released on on Planet E, back in , I think '96. Can't remember the name of it, but it's in the 2nd hand section of my local shop for some crazy price of £4.00 or something.. Actually, might buy it tomorrow, as i just on £50.00 on the bandit at the train station today. Woo Hoo!! TTFN, -- Tom Lawton ICQ:21604785 Adventure without risk is Disneyland
Re: [313] Gemini Discog
Tom Lawton: (...about Gemini's discography) He also released on on Planet E, back in , I think '96. Can't remember the name of it, but it's in the 2nd hand section of my local shop for some crazy price of £4.00 or something.. That would be the Moment of insanity EP, which BTW, I'm selling very soon for even cheaper ;) Proffit _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Gemini Discog
that one is his best twelve together wit that perspective-release!!! awesome stuff. and 1 of the best planet-e releases up to date. the italian labels i mentioned yesterday btw r irma la douce and heartbeat. both releases r quite weird, as 2 b expected from mr kincey. on a sidenote, can anyone give me zum info on jaymz nylon. tnx 154
elypsia?
whatever happened to them? They releasing anything good? Tosh
RE: [313] elypsia?
check: http://www.elypsia.com Damn yeah they have something worth checking 313-friends: the live recording of Scan 7's I am from Detroit So get surfing. John out -Original Message- From: Tosh Cooey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:19 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] elypsia? whatever happened to them? They releasing anything good? Tosh - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Gemini Discog
After seeing this thread develop last night, I got home and had a Spencer Kinsey evening (sorry Christian, I'll check out your winning entry tonight). The Parallel Thinking EP is excellent, especially the first track with that snippet of stutteriness in the middle and the other side that sounds like a Love Sensation sample. The On the North Star EP rocks, too. Especially A. He's a pretty funky fella, all in all. I've also seen him DJ (at Space about 2/3 years ago now) and would go along with the observation that he's neither great nor bad, but kind of middling on that front. If you aren't aware of him at all, have a listen to Carl Craig's mix of Ultramarine, which to my ears sounds like a Gemini track (and which Spencer acknowledges as one of his favourite tracks). One of the things I love about this list is that every other day you are reminded about something you haven't heard in too long a time. On a completely different note, I picked up a release on Yoruba records yesterday (forget the title, but it's #30). It's the first I've heard of them, and it was nice and rough around the edges (though, far too pacy for my liking). Any info on the label? (Apologies if I've missed an earlier discussion). Secondly, I've got to mention Jay Denham's Black Nation Beats on Choice, which I just got the other day, too. I get bored of harder techno all too easily (it seems to me that if you tune your head out of it it suddenly has no energy at all, if that makes sense) but Jay Denham seems to keep showing me the way and this one's probably one of my favourites already, I don't have the titles but the one about the Mothership (D2) (P-Funkorama!) is pretty damn good, as is B2. Check it out. Jonny. np: Gemini Parallel Thinking (Perspective)
313: jazz-tech?
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:41:56 +1100 To: darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] ? Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 17:58 6/12/00 -0800, you wrote: i am sorry but itotally disagree with you. in everything i have ever heard/ read about d techno i do not see any relationship between d techno and improvised music or jazz. i agree. i think the answer as to why detroit producers want to be seen to be linked to jazz is in how they perceive it. There's a common afro-futuristic-struggle and emphasis on innovation aka 'meaning' in jazz that they want percieved in techno. But structurally they're far apart. Until you do some serious [sic] genre-welding, like the Innerzone orchestra. Which is no bad thing... martin np: Coltrane 'live at birdland' _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Lawrence Burden interview
Hi all, If you are curious how 430 West 'tricked' Derick May into doing the remixes for Rolando's Jaguar, read excellent the interview 313-member John Osselaer had with Lawrence Burden, in Eindhoven a view months ago. http://www.overloadmedia.co.uk/ol2k/library/lburden.htm For dutch subscibers: A dutch version of the interview will appear in the next issue of Bassic Groove.
RE: [313] Lawrence Burden interview
Néhéhé, thanks for pluggin me KJ! Those who are interested: fellow 313-member Alan Oldham is also in the interview section: http://www.overloadmedia.co.uk/ol2k/library/aoldham.htm Questions by yours truely. Coming soon to a Bassic Groove or Overload near you: Robert Hood. Now I have interviewed quite a number of artists over the years, but mister Hood blew me away. I will also make these interviews available for fellow defender of the underground Javier Drada so ya'll can read up a bit. John out -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 1:02 PM To: '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: [313] Lawrence Burden interview Hi all, If you are curious how 430 West 'tricked' Derick May into doing the remixes for Rolando's Jaguar, read excellent the interview 313-member John Osselaer had with Lawrence Burden, in Eindhoven a view months ago. http://www.overloadmedia.co.uk/ol2k/library/lburden.htm For dutch subscibers: A dutch version of the interview will appear in the next issue of Bassic Groove. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] did we influence....trance?
Like anything good, good music is corrupted by money and the love of it. Some trance is good even these days, but you have to search through piles of trash, made by ppl who're only in it to make a quick buck, to find it. Nick (Dj Pacific:) Ps. Pigeonholing sucks... --- christos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, before I go on with my question, keep in mind that I am by no means a trance fan AT ALL (at least trance fans by the convnetional definition). Like every good 313 technohead, phrases like Paul Okenfold sucks, Epic trance is cheese, and Hey Pete Tong, I got your 'Essnetial Selection' right here! have become an integrated part of my discorse when talking about all things electronic. However, while looking through the Submerge site (which is someing I honestly do everydayI am going nuts waiting for version 2.0) I noticed that Red Planet 1 - 3 are labeled as trance. I own all three of those records, and musically, yes they do sound like trance (or at least what trance would sound like if it had soul and if it was good). Furthermore, I have heard a few old releases on Generator that if released today, would probably be considered trance (again, GOOD trance with SOUL). I do not mean to insult red planet or generator, as they are some of my favroite labels (and T-1000 one of my favroite djs), however, I wounder, how much influence did we have on the development of trance? I understand that the aforementioned releases could easily also be considered techno, as UR defines techno as... a music-based experimentation: it is sacred to no one race; it has no definitive sound. It is music for the future of the human race however, I am just curious to see if we DID in fact influence trance. It would be a bit ironic if we did, though nothing to be ashamed of. Red Planet and Generator are/were 2 EXCELLENT labels. -christos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] err...
--- darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how is it possible to ruin *real* techno?? what would be ruined? When Basement Jaxx were high up in the charts and I was telling ppl I was spinning house... Ppl expected cheesiness of that variety. This is how techno could be ruined, wannabes that make millions out of the ideas of innovators will take it to the mainstream, it'll become formulaic, lose any hint of innovation between releases, it'll be watered down and a whole new generation of Paul Oakenfold's will claim that they were there at the start of the techno explosion, ppl will praise them as innovators instead. It'll just generally give techno a bad name... They'll be ppl on mailing lists like this talking about it like we talk about trance... answer these questions and you will see the end result... You can not ruin something so ambiguous and positionless... All the kids out there that only hear what's in the charts think that Moby is techno. It won't destroy the music we love but it will corrupt it's image. It won't stand for what it's stood for so long... Besides, Underground Resistance call themselves so for a reason. Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] ?
i am sorry but itotally disagree with you. in everything i have ever heard / read about d techno i do not see any relationship between d techno and improvised music or jazz. there are relationships with other kinds of music (disco, electro, european stuff like kraftwerk, telex (charivari etc) but not jazz or blues. regardless of what you may be able to rationalise with words i think you are trying to impose your personal agenda where it doesn;t exist. I think techno and house are indirectly related to jazz etc... It didn't instantly metmorphosise from jazz to techno but the ideologies are the same between them and they are related. Nick (Dj Pacific:) np - Model 500 - Jazz is the Teacher __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] err...
--- darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 03:25:45PM -0800, darw_n wrote: since I have yet to hear a real stance from techno UR? sure, but I can point to many many groups within the techno scene who have entirely polar opposite views, UR's is simply one position in a near infinite amount of stances, varying from one extreme to another. Because of this highly factioned system of opinions, the only just position that indeed covers the entire movement is none at all... This is what sets the movement apart from other genres, the rules to define techno are very loose. The fact that techno is such a broad genre is one of the advantages of it being underground. If it became mainstream, it'd become formulaic (or rather the mainstream clones would). Nick (Dj Pacific:) If techno stops being underground __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] Marketing, advertising, Ford and techno (yet again)
Marketing drives this capitalistic society we live in, and it, like much of the rest of what's around us, is just illusion and bullshit. Sink, swim, surf or ignore. *applause* _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
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jazz-tech?
Press reply to all, for a start... i am sorry but itotally disagree with you. in everything i have ever heard/ read about d techno i do not see any relationship between d techno and improvised music or jazz. i agree. i think the answer as to why detroit producers want to be seen to be linked to jazz is in how they perceive it. There's a common afro-futuristic-struggle and emphasis on innovation aka 'meaning' in jazz that they want percieved in techno. But structurally they're far apart. Until you do some serious [sic] genre-welding, like the Innerzone orchestra. Which is no bad thing... And I disagree, structurally there is a lot more in common between the likes of jazz and techno. (Obviously there is a lot of dissimilarity, too, otherwise jazz and techno would be more obviously the same thing.) I think this is a healthier situation, though. Too many modern musicians try to jump onto jazz to achieve integrity, which is understandable, if not very wise. Take for example the Roni Size drum and bass stuff. It sounds jazzy, but it's a very superficial resemblance. Sampling Lonnie Liston Smith or Pharoah Sanders doesn't make it jazz, it makes it SOUND like it. The method has none of the jazz aesthetic to it at all though. Except, perhaps, some of the old Photek stuff. In any case, genre welding in itself doesn't make jazz what it is. Techno, on the other hand, quite often does share the aesthetic. Avoid all the lame attempts at integrity through sampling/odd time signatures etc. and you might get it. Compare the blistering central heating gone mad keyboard's of Sun Ra to, I don't know, the strings in Desire, say. Different sonic ends, same emotional means, in a way. The jazz method that I'm on about is also found in, for example, John Lee Hooker. Take a listen to Bougie Man, then listen to Theo Parrish's Smile or even the organic (and improvised) Basic Channel. It's the need of expression that demands the method, I suppose, but that's jazz - to me at least. And this method provides a similarity of structure. Basically, I love and listen to a lot of techno and jazz and in all I've heard (forget about what you read) I DO find plenty of resemblance, but very little (thankfully) of it strikes me as merely superficial. Jonny. np: Jeff Mills Metropolis (Axis) wp: Sun Ra La Nuits de la Fondation Maeght vol.1 (Shandar)
Re: [313] err... darw_n's brain is too big
Go into politics instead of boring us with pointless discussions about techno, geeez it's just music!!! mmm h, riggght... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com
Moodymann London - NYE
Much as I want to, I find it very hard to believe that we Londoners are going to be treated to the full UR crew, let alone Mr Dixon, at the end of the month. (playing next to the man from st ettienne?!) The only hope I have is that its the same guy promoting this gig as promoted the 3 chairs bash a couple of years back (a couple of years!!! i i i i'm old). so who knows? anyone? FJ _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] err... darw_n's brain is too big
At least with politics, you get PAID to talk just to hear the sound of your own voice. --On Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:30 AM -0800 darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go into politics instead of boring us with pointless discussions about techno, geeez it's just music!!! mmm h, riggght... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Moodymann London - NYE
Frank Jack, We were talking about this at work yesterday and apparently it is on, though is maybe, despite UR and KDJ, quite a boring way to spend your New Year ;) they might do a Lost and ignore midnight. Somehow I doubt they'll play auld lang syne. Still, even I might be persuaded to go out to this one. It is promoted by someone of repute. Don't remember the details. I'll find out and let you know next time I bump into you as I leave the flat, so's to make you late for work, sorry :) Jonny. Much as I want to, I find it very hard to believe that we Londoners are going to be treated to the full UR crew, let alone Mr Dixon, at the end of the month. (playing next to the man from st ettienne?!) The only hope I have is that its the same guy promoting this gig as promoted the 3 chairs bash a couple of years back (a couple of years!!! i i i i'm old). so who knows? anyone? FJ
Nude Photo 88 - acid burns remix
Yesterday i got offered the follow title: Rhythim Is Rhythm - Nude Photo 88 (Acid Burns remix) - Koolkat Records. The price is rather high (100 dutch guilders, probably about $32 US) and this guy said that it was due to the fact that this record is rather rare. So what's the deal with this record? Is it worth this much money? And the Acid Burns Mix? Who did this mix? And if it is as good as this guy says it is, how come I have never even heard about it? Any info is appreciated. Regards, W
afrogermanic
i heard a really sweet remix of this a couple weeks ago. i can't really describe it too well other than by saying that it was slowed down - somewhere around a 'house' tempo. any info?
Re: [313] err...
darw_n and mee-thod wrote: the techno movement arose from the youth of detroit seeking to locate themselves in a future that was different from the urban decay of the present. *cue mental image of Belleville* LOL! and indeed, this is the same sentiment that has permeated all of rave and techno... Which contradicts your theory of the techno movement having no unifying principles So which one is it? I'll even further that by saying that techno and rave exists in its strength that it does because this generation, and the last generation has felt nothing but apathy and boredom, techno was born... Quite the contrary. Techno was born because there were people that were *not* apathic, because there were people that heard a certain sound and ran with it. People that were actively pursuing a goal, because there were people that just went out and made music, set up labels and distribution companies, DJed, threw parties and whatnot, all just for the fun of it. People that stuck with it, despite odds being stacked heavily against them in the 80s and early 90s. Techno exists in its current form and strength mainly because the distinction between producer and consumer (both in the broad sense of the word) is blurred, as opposed to the regular pop scene. As long as we can keep that distinction blurry, then techno can generate dozens of Rolling Stone covers, MTV awards, car commericals and whatnot, and it will still be techno. It is what it is. Otto
DJ Rush track ID
What's the title of that DJ Rush humming track he put out a few months back? W
err...
Music: An art that is perfectly intelligible and perfectly inexplicable. (Samuel Beckett) On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Otto Koppius wrote: It is what it is.
Re: [313] err...
Which contradicts your theory of the techno movement having no unifying principles So which one is it? Yes your right, I just confused my whole statement, lemme clarify that... Techno doesn't have a *defined* message, something that most (if not all) past movements had... Instead, techno is a device for imagination aimed towards escapism (both possitive and negative). Techno, because it says nothing recognizable, is a tool for individuals to use in whatever way they see fit. In listening to techno, one person can see a future in which the present society doesn't give, one person can see an emotion in which they can't express, one person can see a statement in which they can't normally express. Techno, because of its message ambiguity, can be everything and anything in meaning, *as long as it allows the listener to escape with it, in any direction they see fit*. This is why toneshifting is so appealing, wheather realized or not. Since toneshifting implies that every individual can project onto the music whatever melody and emotion they want, the music becomes totally unique to each listener, and because of that, the music lacks any real defining meaning, instead, it is interactive, the listener is not told what to feel, is not told a specific message being drawn out from the artist, it is the listener that does these things... I will use an arguement to demonstrate that I had with someone else on this list privately... ...Perhaps if we look at this way, in levels of interpretation... To look at a fascist propaganda poster would entail interpretation, but the message behind it is clear, the work projects *outward* to the looker... to look at perfectly round ball in which someone has proclaimed as art also requires interpretation, however, the message is almost none existent, the looker projects *onto* the work (emotionshifting)... To listen to Brittany spears requires interpretation, but the message is clear, the song projects *outward* to the listener... to listen to a lock groove on c side requires interpretation, but the message is almost none existent, the listener projects *onto* the song (toneshifting)... Quite the contrary. Techno was born because there were people that were *not* apathic, because there were people that heard a certain sound and ran with it. Yes, but you have to admit that both techno and rave are on a totally different platform than just parties with some experimental music, there is a reason why ravers are almost uniformly excapists, there is a reason why techno people are so passionate about it, I am trying to figure out these reasons... It is what it is. See, I just can't let something be like that, I want, no need, to know what that is is... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com
Re: [313] err...
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Otto Koppius wrote: darw_n and mee-thod wrote: the techno movement arose from the youth of detroit seeking to locate themselves in a future that was different from the urban decay of the present. *cue mental image of Belleville* LOL! Yeah, maybe better argued that it grew out of black men dropped into a bleak suburban environment like astronauts onto mars. Anyway great to see Otto back in the 313 mix! He just snuck back on with no fanfare! There should have been a marching band!
Re: [313] err...
Talking with darw_n makes my brain hurt a wee bit, but here goes... See, I just can't let something be like that, I want, no need, to know what that is is... I reckon your wrong, too. And the above, I think, is the problem. The is is just what you get given to you, e.g. Beethoven's 9th is, even in essence, Beethoven's entire 9th. What you try and do is distill it into something purer and more minimal. The terminology is misleading you here, though. You are just doing something different. No more and no less. That needn't invalidate anything like the politics or philosophy surrounding the work in question, though. So you're tone shifting isn't wrong, but it certainly isn't the essence either. It's just an approach. It's like someone doing an analysis of Hamlet, say. If the essence of Hamlet were, for example, the philosophy of self it represents to some, then it would be better expressed as an essay on the philosophy of self. Obviously, it wouldn't really, though: the essence of Hamlet is Hamlet. It is what it is. I humbly await your mind numbing rays of wisdom ;) Jonny
Re: [313] afrogermanic
Where did you hear the mix? It could have just been the DJ playing it -6 and sneaking a house track under it. I don't turn any alternate mixes in online searches? kent williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jump.to/cornwarning -- Iowa's First Techno Record Label http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Kyle J Dupuy wrote: i heard a really sweet remix of this a couple weeks ago. i can't really describe it too well other than by saying that it was slowed down - somewhere around a 'house' tempo. any info?
DJ Assault - Live_wow_
So I took in DJ Assault's show last night and I have to say, anyone who's wavering _run_ and grab a ticket when he's around. Haven't seen such an interesting set in a long time. He created new combinations with a base of sped up electro soundings, hip hop approaches like just dropping tracks in to change, excellent scratchings, juggling the beat, and hip hop vocal punctuations, Jamaican ideas like tracks that set a fast beat to dance to but one could dance at half speed to the bass line, some jungle sounding tracks (but in a good way), very varied but always electro booty sorta kept together. wow. me like Rich:) http://www.fade.to/arc __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
the futile struggle of a tortured darw_n
the it i believe is the essence of techno, experience and life and there is no way you are ever going to be able to pin it down. all of history and EVERYTHING that has ever happened has brought us to where we are now and trying to isolate the causes for a particular movement will never paint a true picture of it. techno is just another part of the evolution of communication and expression and it is no more unique than any other form of expression, each being unique in their own way. a caveman banging a drum, what it their message? i know you love techno but you need to take your blinders off and accept the bigger picture for the incomprehensible, intricately beautiful mess it is. (i know you are not gonna though and sparking a conversation is never a bad thing). kao jyan (who has given up trying to understand anything)
RE: [313] Gemini Discog
He also put out Space Floor on the first Panhandle release, SF DJ's Come Home. Great tracky house music. -Original Message- From: Jonny McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 3:15 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Gemini Discog After seeing this thread develop last night, I got home and had a Spencer Kinsey evening (sorry Christian, I'll check out your winning entry tonight). The Parallel Thinking EP is excellent, especially the first track with that snippet of stutteriness in the middle and the other side that sounds like a Love Sensation sample. The On the North Star EP rocks, too. Especially A. He's a pretty funky fella, all in all. I've also seen him DJ (at Space about 2/3 years ago now) and would go along with the observation that he's neither great nor bad, but kind of middling on that front. If you aren't aware of him at all, have a listen to Carl Craig's mix of Ultramarine, which to my ears sounds like a Gemini track (and which Spencer acknowledges as one of his favourite tracks). One of the things I love about this list is that every other day you are reminded about something you haven't heard in too long a time. On a completely different note, I picked up a release on Yoruba records yesterday (forget the title, but it's #30). It's the first I've heard of them, and it was nice and rough around the edges (though, far too pacy for my liking). Any info on the label? (Apologies if I've missed an earlier discussion). Secondly, I've got to mention Jay Denham's Black Nation Beats on Choice, which I just got the other day, too. I get bored of harder techno all too easily (it seems to me that if you tune your head out of it it suddenly has no energy at all, if that makes sense) but Jay Denham seems to keep showing me the way and this one's probably one of my favourites already, I don't have the titles but the one about the Mothership (D2) (P-Funkorama!) is pretty damn good, as is B2. Check it out. Jonny. np: Gemini Parallel Thinking (Perspective) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] err...
darw_n wrote: Techno doesn't have a *defined* message, something that most (if not all) past movements had... You did make the case for punk, but even so I can't really agree with this, although that may be because the terms message and movements are too vague in this context. For instance, is a movement a new musical genre or does it have to have a separate social scene that goes with it? Similarly, messages can range from very narrowly defined to very broadly defined, they can be implicitly defined, etc. etc. What would the message be for reggae, house, grunge, disco or classical music? Instead, techno is a device for imagination Yes. aimed towards escapism (both possitive and negative). But why escapism? Or rather, how is this different from other music (any music is a device for imagination)? Or even broader, doesn't imagination *imply* escapism? Because if you have to imagine it, by definition you have to escape from your own reality into your 'imagined reality'. Techno, because it says nothing recognizable, is a tool for individuals to use in whatever way they see fit. Only partly. There are also elements in techno that virtually impose a certain feeling on listeners: a big 909 kick for energy, strings for a number of emotions, a breakdown for that ecstatic feeling, etc. (archetypes of musical elements anyone?) And in this respect, how would techno (or house) differ from classical music or from a rock song sung in Sanskrit (like Kula Shaker did)? Neither of those say anything recognizable, yet they differ quite substantially in their respective audiences and scenes. Quite the contrary. Techno was born because there were people that were *not* apathic, because there were people that heard a certain sound and ran with it. Yes, but you have to admit that both techno and rave are on a totally different platform than just parties with some experimental music, That *is* how it started though: great dance music, nothing more, nothing less. And only later did it evolve into something that gave people an opportunity to create and hence build and sustain the 'scene'. there is a reason why ravers are almost uniformly excapists, there is a reason why techno people are so passionate about it, I am trying to figure out these reasons... Because people so easily can create a (tiny) part of the techno scene (parties, records, DJ sets, magazines, reviews, etc etc), i.e. the blurring of producer/consumer, they feel more involved. It is what it is. See, I just can't let something be like that, I want, no need, to know what that is is... So do I. But there is a limit as to how far reductionism will take you. Some things can only be understood as a 'whole' thing, they cannot be explained through understanding of the parts that make up the whole. Music is more than a sequence of notes. Otto
Re: [313] err...
-Original Message- From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Otto Koppius [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [313] err... On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Otto Koppius wrote: darw_n and mee-thod wrote: the techno movement arose from the youth of detroit seeking to locate themselves in a future that was different from the urban decay of the present. *cue mental image of Belleville* LOL! Yeah, maybe better argued that it grew out of black men dropped into a bleak suburban environment like astronauts onto mars. Anyway great to see Otto back in the 313 mix! He just snuck back on with no fanfare! There should have been a marching band! Agreed! Otto, do you have The Epistemology of Techno post you sent out a while ago? I think it's time to bust it out again. It seems to me it would answer a lot of the err... discussion. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] err...
Darwin said: Techno has no single political, social, economic banner in which all stand united, none at all. Someone else replied: What artistic, social or political movement ever has? None. Darwin said: fine rebuttal, but there *was* a general underlying common drive. Every youth music movement has had a general drive, be it war or whatever... So I invite someone to say, the techno movement has ___. fill in the blank. Youth The common underlying factor in all of these situations is not really a goal, but youth. In youth we are all very emotional, therefore we make things to be passionate about - be it art, music or anything else. I am not saying that ALL people have to be young, but the emotions and feelings associated with such movements are related to youth (or the feeling of youth.) We all associate our emotions with these underlying goals and thus, movements are made. Sometimes movements bring out this emotion in us, because we can relate to the things that are transpiring. I think the things that today's youth are inspired and emotional about, can all fit into the blank. Racism would be an easy out, but I do see that as motivation for _some_ works. There will always be that Angst in teens, and that emotional cloud over the head of the youth.. Let me add another disclaimer: I don't by any means want to make someone feel that I have no respect for all of these other causes that have already taken place and had their respective musics and\or arts. I feel this youthful passion just adds to things like the rock of the 60's/70's movement. So, although we have no pinpoint cause to found a movement around, we still have the same feelings and could have the same result, given a sound cause. Cheers! Dennis BTW, I often sound heated in typing, I am not, I enjoy this debate, in fact I just submitted a paper to the sociology dept. today for review (albeit, dealing more with the rave scene) darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] DJ Rush track ID
That would be 'Look See' on KneDeep or Projex, I forget which. There were remixes by Steve Bicknell and others, too. Tune! What's the title of that DJ Rush humming track he put out a few months back?
RE: Any reason....
Any reason my techno/trance post is not getting posted??? I responded to the did we influence trance post. The first two times there was some language and it did not get posted. The third time I edited/censored it. I hope it shows up as I hope that thoughts and ideas are not being edited/censored as well. Thank you- D
Re: [313] afrogermanic
If I am not mistaken UR - 21 Crime Report was the sampler off the interstellar fugitives LP and the tracks on this were either different mixes of tracks on the LP or not on the triple vinyl at all. Gotta give them both a better listen to be certain. David Cooper - Original Message - From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org Sent: December 7, 2000 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [313] afrogermanic Where did you hear the mix? It could have just been the DJ playing it -6 and sneaking a house track under it. I don't turn any alternate mixes in online searches? kent williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jump.to/cornwarning -- Iowa's First Techno Record Label http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Kyle J Dupuy wrote: i heard a really sweet remix of this a couple weeks ago. i can't really describe it too well other than by saying that it was slowed down - somewhere around a 'house' tempo. any info? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] err...
Fred- Are you buying it? I got in a rather lengthy discussion over a few beers this past weekend on this topic. Admittedly, I have more than just a slight buzz going at the time but..After about an hour or so discussing the ford focus commerical I came to the following conclusion: 1.)Hooray for Juan, the man has skills and talent. He deserves recognition. 2.)This is a sad day for Detroit Techno. Whether we like it or not, it's been co-opted. I will always love this music, it's a part of my blood. I'm just left with a lingering question: What now? out jim http://www.mp3.com/zarathustra http://www.assasins.net
313 Train Station.
Hi, Would someone be so kind and tell me the name of the main train station in Detroit? TIA. -- Miro.
What's Richard Bartz Up to?
Has anyone seen any new material from Richard Bartz since the last Acid Scout release? Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
scary stuff
There is something to keep in mind, there is a global scene in which embodies techno, the rave scene. There is definate reason behind that scene, it is not existing for the hell of it, there is very real sociological catelysts behind it, and again, there is real reason for the rave scene clentching onto techno like it has... so what is it? it isn't enought to keep implying these kind of things unless you can provide some kind of explanation that the rest of us are still completely oblivious to. And so be it, and visa versa, it is my desire to interpret what is happening. BTW, we have gone nearly 15 years with barely any analysis... and analysis is *definately* needed when a movement overtakes the entire globe, almost all authority figures are scared, so on and so forth... HELLO? this has just become very silly. i'm scared. i'm scared of funky techno. please don't let carl craig make any more music. it's scary. oh yeah. and those scary dudes detroit escalator. help. over and out p-d
Re: [313] scary stuff
techno, like every other facet of western culture is totally commodity based. Techno, like everything, is just another part of global capitalism, and works on exactly the same principles as any other business. Just cause you only sell 1000 pressings pressing does not make you any more holy than Warner Bros. The second you sell a record you are in the music business too. besides, At Les really does not give me urge to pull any Baader-Meinhoff style political actions... its all really boring, anybody bought a record worth talking about lately? no more wanking, mt And so be it, and visa versa, it is my desire to interpret what is happening. BTW, we have gone nearly 15 years with barely any analysis... and analysis is *definately* needed when a movement overtakes the entire globe, almost all authority figures are scared, so on and so forth... HELLO? this has just become very silly. i'm scared. i'm scared of funky techno. please don't let carl craig make any more music. it's scary. oh yeah. and those scary dudes detroit escalator. help. over and out p-d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] scary stuff
hee heethis one made me laugh out loud. thank you. d From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] scary stuff Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:45:45 +1100 There is something to keep in mind, there is a global scene in which embodies techno, the rave scene. There is definate reason behind that scene, it is not existing for the hell of it, there is very real sociological catelysts behind it, and again, there is real reason for the rave scene clentching onto techno like it has... so what is it? it isn't enought to keep implying these kind of things unless you can provide some kind of explanation that the rest of us are still completely oblivious to. And so be it, and visa versa, it is my desire to interpret what is happening. BTW, we have gone nearly 15 years with barely any analysis... and analysis is *definately* needed when a movement overtakes the entire globe, almost all authority figures are scared, so on and so forth... HELLO? this has just become very silly. i'm scared. i'm scared of funky techno. please don't let carl craig make any more music. it's scary. oh yeah. and those scary dudes detroit escalator. help. over and out p-d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] ?
I agree with that. Derrick May says in the Innovator linear notes that Duke Ellington's music was the techno of its day. Five
Re: [313] 313 Train Station.
The only one Amtrak lists in Detroit proper is the one at 11 W. Baltimore St. (ph. 313-873-3442). I know there's also one in Dearborn (which is west of Detroit) at 16121 Michigan Ave (ph. 313-336-5407) and also one a ways north in Pontiac on Wide Track (which becomes Woodward). At least I think there's one there (but it isn't listed at the Amtrak site although I pass it quite often myself). It all depends on exactly where you want to go in Detroit, I guess. jeff Miroslaw Milewski wrote: Hi, Would someone be so kind and tell me the name of the main train station in Detroit? TIA. -- Miro. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jeff ?/~THINK OUTSIDE OF YOUR SITCOM~\! ICQ904008 (but I'm never on)
