Re: (313) Prefuse WMV off Houeblogger
Ryan Snowden wrote: Can anyone tell me what the wonderbox in the middle is? It looks akai-ish! Looks like an MPC-2000 or MPC-2000XL to me...
(313) Kraftwerk article in The Guardian
Desperately seeking Kraftwerk: http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,1004937,00.html (With a mention of Karl Bartos' appearance at the London ICA recently) - Greg
Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
JT/313, Yeah, the whole wave thing is a tad confusing, maybe we should put mixes together from all the waves to present day so people can get a grasp on the history, I know it all sounds a bit crass but it would help people get into it more. So today's question would be who would be it which wave, lets start with the first. Cybotron Number of Names On the question of BS, well - how else to you get someone to read your blog without kicking off about something or getting something wonderfully wrong. md 24/7/03 10:04 PM J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] oops...had to censor dan, now i see why it wasnt coming thru.. btw the mideastern cover of midnight express is by some group called D'Oud (sp?) and..is on some album of theirs whose name i've already forgotten...midnight serenade? something like that... http://www.hollowearth.org/2003_07_01_oldcrap.html#105900011446418148 Matthew Ingram on 29 Detroit 12s. With label scans, you choo choo spotters. tried to post this earlier but nothing happened... there were a couple curtin records mentioned so i pointed dan to the page..he sez Interesting list. Yeah, I never got that whole wave thing. I always thought that Carl Craig waspart of the 3rd wave, I never knew that I was even any wave...I think this dude thinks I'm from Detroit or something...I get that sh*t all of the time. What's more interesting is that if you scroll down you will find a record called Biotic which he is raving about and he credits it to Kenny Larkin...hey wait a minute, that's MY recordha! I'll have to write him... i always thought everybody on techno2 was generally considered 2nd wave, but guess i dont understand the wave thing either..oh well...the whole kirk d/detroit-influence critique on that page gets to me, seem likes music critic bs, instead of listening based ugh...writing off b12, kirkd, terrace, etc as reduction and too reverential, how do you make that sort of judgement..calling something copycat is another story, but this stuff clearly was not that...gee i just thought it was dope music...everything is influenced by something, sheesh! what a bunch of nonsense! ahh well..i dig the record section on that page anyways.. btw dan's first mix he's bothered to record will be online shortly, its pretty nice! will post a link soon.. jt ps on npr right now they are talking about some mideastern guys who have remade moroder's midnight express soundtrack on traditional instruments! and playing a lot of moroder's original in the background as well..nice.. _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
So today's question would be who would be it which wave, lets start with the first. Cybotron Number of Names This is what I think: First Wave: --- Juan Atkins, Marty Bonds, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, Blake Baxter, Anthony Shakir, Eddie Fowlkes Second Wave: Carl Craig, Jeff Mills, Mad Mike, Octave One, Jay Denham, Mark Kinchen, A Guy Called Gerald (not detroit) Third Wave: Claude Young, ... Euh.. I´m having a bit of a third wave blackout at the moment. Cheers, Maarten
(313) blogs
So what are the music (techno/house/disco/funk/etc...) related blogs that you recommend? Thanks, Maarten
Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
First Wave: --- Juan Atkins, Marty Bonds, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, Blake Baxter, Anthony Shakir, Eddie Fowlkes Well don't forget Alan Oldham, dunno if he is 1st or 2nd wave but i have been told that his radio show was quit influential Second Wave: Carl Craig, Jeff Mills, Mad Mike, Octave One, Jay Denham, Mark Kinchen, A Guy Called Gerald (not detroit) Kenny Larkin, Richie Hawtin... Third Wave: Claude Young, ... Euh.. I´m having a bit of a third wave blackout at the moment. Stacey Pullen, Keith Tucker
RE: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org
He's one of the dullest DJs I've ever heard - I have a mix CD of his which is OK but the 2 times I have heard him, he has played very boring loopy crap - he is a very skilled DJ but all the tricks in the world won't stop me falling asleep -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:26 PM To: Kent williams; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Hans Veneman; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org and who said men can't multitask :) by the way I just thought what people's thought's were on Ben Sims ? I think he is one of the most talented DJ's to come from the UK and I think he is the best DJ from the UK..any thoughts? have you heard him lately cos he seems to be getting better and better, its quite scary :) -Original Message- From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 July 2003 16:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ian cheshire; Hans Veneman; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org The cool thing about watching Mills spin is that the top half of his body moves like a move sped up to twice speed, while the bottom half of his body is dancing. On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the Mills one where his hands move so quick it's just a blur - great picture! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 14/07/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 14/07/03 # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org
A friend of mine goes on about him being one of the most talented DJs in the UK too but when I heard him I also fell into a deep slumber Jason On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 11:13 AM, Robert Taylor wrote: He's one of the dullest DJs I've ever heard - I have a mix CD of his which is OK but the 2 times I have heard him, he has played very boring loopy crap - he is a very skilled DJ but all the tricks in the world won't stop me falling asleep -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:26 PM To: Kent williams; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Hans Veneman; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org and who said men can't multitask :) by the way I just thought what people's thought's were on Ben Sims ? I think he is one of the most talented DJ's to come from the UK and I think he is the best DJ from the UK..any thoughts? have you heard him lately cos he seems to be getting better and better, its quite scary :) -Original Message- From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 July 2003 16:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ian cheshire; Hans Veneman; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org The cool thing about watching Mills spin is that the top half of his body moves like a move sped up to twice speed, while the bottom half of his body is dancing. On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the Mills one where his hands move so quick it's just a blur - great picture! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 14/07/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 14/07/03 ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ##
(313) First Wave
First Wave: --- Juan Atkins, Marty Bonds, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, Blake Baxter, Anthony Shakir, Eddie Fowlkes, Alan Oldman, Greg and Ken Collier, Mojo, Richard Davies,
Re: (313) Record stores in Helsinki?
There's a good few Helsinki record shops listed in Hyperreal's Rotator locator, most of them have websites so you can check out which ones are 313ish beforehand. Record shopping in Helsinki isn't the cheapest of activitites unless it's Finish releases you are after. http://music.hyperreal.org/rotator/finland.htm I need recomendations on record stores in Helsinki (addresses and stuff), where i can find 313/313related records/cds. thanks ivan
(313) many waves
First Wave: --- Juan Atkins, Marty Bonds, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, Blake Baxter, Anthony Shakir, Eddie Fowlkes Well don't forget Alan Oldham, dunno if he is 1st or 2nd wave but i have been told that his radio show was quit influential ...and wasn't James Pennington also producing back then as Suburban Knight???* * Production credits on Inner City's Big Fun in 1988
RE: (313) Prefuse WMV off Houeblogger
MM MPC2000XL Looks sexy Cheers chaps |-Original Message- |From: Southern Outpost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 25 July 2003 01:17 |To: David Gillies; Ryan Snowden |Cc: 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) Prefuse WMV off Houeblogger | | |MPC2000XL | |Patrick Wacher |Technical Operations Specialist |Yahoo! Australia NZ |Phone: (02) 8925 0113 |Fax: (02) 8925 0101 | |-Original Message- |From: David Gillies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Friday, 25 July 2003 9:38 AM |To: Ryan Snowden |Cc: 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: Re: (313) Prefuse WMV off Houeblogger | | |Ryan Snowden wrote: | |Can anyone tell me what the wonderbox in the middle is? It looks |akai-ish! | | |Looks like an MPC-2000 or MPC-2000XL to me... |
RE: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org
I too didn't think much of Sims until the fourth time I heard him. I think sometimes you can hear a DJ a few times not hear them at their best. With Rolando I thought he was brilliant the first time I heard him, but I've heard him about four times since he's never been as good. My theory is that sometimes the DJs aren't really in the mood for it but they're getting paid so they come and do a job then go home - you've just gotta hope you catch them on a night where they really into it. Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 25/07/2003 11:13:32 To: ian cheshire [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org He's one of the dullest DJs I've ever heard - I have a mix CD of his which is OK but the 2 times I have heard him, he has played very boring loopy crap - he is a very skilled DJ but all the tricks in the world won't stop me falling asleep -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:26 PM To: Kent williams; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Hans Veneman; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org and who said men can't multitask :) by the way I just thought what people's thought's were on Ben Sims ? I think he is one of the most talented DJ's to come from the UK and I think he is the best DJ from the UK..any thoughts? have you heard him lately cos he seems to be getting better and better, its quite scary :) -Original Message- From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 July 2003 16:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ian cheshire; Hans Veneman; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org The cool thing about watching Mills spin is that the top half of his body moves like a move sped up to twice speed, while the bottom half of his body is dancing. On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the Mills one where his hands move so quick it's just a blur - great picture! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 14/07/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 14/07/03 # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: Re: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org
The loop-based sets that Ben plays aren't really a good indication of his skills. His knowledge of electronic music is very wide and he is definitely one of the most technically skilled DJs on the circuit, but I agree that this doesn't make a whole set of loops very interesting. You should hear him play sometime when he's covering a broader range. It's incredible. http://www.bensims.com used to have some older mixes on it, including a 313-based one. Not sure if they're still up there... Sean. From: Jason Brunton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/07/25 Fri AM 04:16:26 CDT To: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org A friend of mine goes on about him being one of the most talented DJs in the UK too but when I heard him I also fell into a deep slumber Jason On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 11:13 AM, Robert Taylor wrote: He's one of the dullest DJs I've ever heard - I have a mix CD of his which is OK but the 2 times I have heard him, he has played very boring loopy crap - he is a very skilled DJ but all the tricks in the world won't stop me falling asleep -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:26 PM To: Kent williams; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Hans Veneman; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org and who said men can't multitask :) by the way I just thought what people's thought's were on Ben Sims ? I think he is one of the most talented DJ's to come from the UK and I think he is the best DJ from the UK..any thoughts? have you heard him lately cos he seems to be getting better and better, its quite scary :) -Original Message- From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 July 2003 16:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ian cheshire; Hans Veneman; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org The cool thing about watching Mills spin is that the top half of his body moves like a move sped up to twice speed, while the bottom half of his body is dancing. On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the Mills one where his hands move so quick it's just a blur - great picture! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 14/07/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 14/07/03 ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ##
Re: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org
A technicallyt skilled dj is not a good dj, i don't care if a dj misses a beat as longs as the music is good Ben Sims choice of records is way to boring for me :) KJ On vrijdag, jul 25, 2003, at 11:40 Europe/Amsterdam, Sean Creen wrote: The loop-based sets that Ben plays aren't really a good indication of his skills. His knowledge of electronic music is very wide and he is definitely one of the most technically skilled DJs on the circuit, but I agree that this doesn't make a whole set of loops very interesting. You should hear him play sometime when he's covering a broader range. It's incredible. http://www.bensims.com used to have some older mixes on it, including a 313-based one. Not sure if they're still up there... Sean. From: Jason Brunton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/07/25 Fri AM 04:16:26 CDT To: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org A friend of mine goes on about him being one of the most talented DJs in the UK too but when I heard him I also fell into a deep slumber Jason On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 11:13 AM, Robert Taylor wrote: He's one of the dullest DJs I've ever heard - I have a mix CD of his which is OK but the 2 times I have heard him, he has played very boring loopy crap - he is a very skilled DJ but all the tricks in the world won't stop me falling asleep -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:26 PM To: Kent williams; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Hans Veneman; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org and who said men can't multitask :) by the way I just thought what people's thought's were on Ben Sims ? I think he is one of the most talented DJ's to come from the UK and I think he is the best DJ from the UK..any thoughts? have you heard him lately cos he seems to be getting better and better, its quite scary :) -Original Message- From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 July 2003 16:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ian cheshire; Hans Veneman; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org The cool thing about watching Mills spin is that the top half of his body moves like a move sped up to twice speed, while the bottom half of his body is dancing. On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the Mills one where his hands move so quick it's just a blur - great picture! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 14/07/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 14/07/03 # ## ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # ## ##
(313) Re: First Wave
Juan Atkins, Marty Bonds, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, Blake Baxter, Anthony Shakir, Eddie Fowlkes, Alan Oldman, Greg and Ken Collier, Mojo, Richard Davies, Must be Alan Oldham ;) The list looks good. I added T-1000 (Alan Oldham) as a 3rd wave dj because he started producing in that era, but indeed, he had a radio show, were the first tracks from Moby used to be played. And Kenny is indeed 2nd wave. Cheers, Maarten
Fw: (313) many waves
...and wasn't James Pennington also producing back then as Suburban Knight???* Yep.. the knight is first wave... he did the bassline on big fun. Cheers, Maarten
(313) Waves was Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
you know what, i've always thought the use of the term 'waves' when talking about detroit techno was a bit wrong headed and i'd not figured out why i've thought this until now... the problems i have with this are that firstly i've always thought that the wave thing was used by people who had heard of Tofflers work but hadn't read it (but knew that it had some bearing on detroit techno) and more importantly, and the idea of the one wave mix illustrates this, that at any one point the music dj'd by a dj of any particular wave would have been a huge array of music up to that point, so the context of the new 'wave' of music (see i'm using the term now...) would be completely lost. another obvious problem is the fact that a lot of the producers listed in each wave are still going and i'm sure they hate being labelled with waves as it dismisses any new stuff they come up with as 'old-hat' boy do i sound like a grumpy b*d today. still, nice to see music discussion on the list. robin...
Re: (313) Re: First Wave
On vrijdag, jul 25, 2003, at 11:44 Europe/Amsterdam, Maarten Baute wrote: Juan Atkins, Marty Bonds, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, Blake Baxter, Anthony Shakir, Eddie Fowlkes, Alan Oldman, Greg and Ken Collier, Mojo, Richard Davies, Must be Alan Oldham ;) The list looks good. I added T-1000 (Alan Oldham) as a 3rd wave dj because he started producing in that era, but indeed, he had a radio show, were the first tracks from Moby used to be played. At least rate him 2nd wave then, i think he also was something like UR's minister of information or something like that : And Kenny is indeed 2nd wave. Cheers, Maarten
RE: (313) Movement pictures @ TechnoTourist.org
I too didn't think much of Sims until the fourth time I heard him. I think sometimes you can hear a DJ a few times not hear them at their best. With Rolando I thought he was brilliant the first time I heard him, but I've heard him about four times since he's never been as good. My theory is that sometimes the DJs aren't really in the mood for it but they're getting paid so they come and do a job then go home - you've just gotta hope you catch them on a night where they really into it. the above is something i kind of overlook a lot of the time whwne i see a dj and it's so true. as much as i try and say to myself these people are professionals godammit this is still art that can't be forced(i can say this on here and not get the usual: they're just playing other peoples records...what's the big deal line :) ) robin...
Re: (313) Waves was Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
While I agree Robin, I'm not trying to make this into a year zero thing, no point really. What I'm interested in doing is getting a good list together of the players, doing a mix of the tunes and adding some biog info. We could always do a mix of tunes that influenced the first wave, there's plenty of references points and I know there's a couple of the early players lurking on the list, should be to hard. And if we through in a copy of Dan's book and a couple of articles for good measure, it should make it easy for people to get into the History and therefore push the present into the future. Alan is defo first wave in my book, he played tunes of techno on his radio show back in the day so I'd place in the first wave for this reason. I think we should include people who also made a difference, not just DJ/Musicians but people who supported the movement. 25/7/03 9:46 AM robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] you know what, i've always thought the use of the term 'waves' when talking about detroit techno was a bit wrong headed and i'd not figured out why i've thought this until now... the problems i have with this are that firstly i've always thought that the wave thing was used by people who had heard of Tofflers work but hadn't read it (but knew that it had some bearing on detroit techno) and more importantly, and the idea of the one wave mix illustrates this, that at any one point the music dj'd by a dj of any particular wave would have been a huge array of music up to that point, so the context of the new 'wave' of music (see i'm using the term now...) would be completely lost. another obvious problem is the fact that a lot of the producers listed in each wave are still going and i'm sure they hate being labelled with waves as it dismisses any new stuff they come up with as 'old-hat' boy do i sound like a grumpy b*d today. still, nice to see music discussion on the list. robin...
(313) UR/PE
Given UR 'militant' 'afrocentric' stance on politics, society does anyone know if there was any interaction/communication between them and PE or Mad Mike and Chuck D ? Thanks
(313) blake on the bike
Whehe http://www.blakebaxterdetroit.com/video/blake.ram Cycling is cool ;) Cheers, Maarten
Re: (313) Waves was Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
hi martin, don't get me the wrong way, i think history of this stuff is very important and sometimes it's good to have this stuff down in a way that isn't jounalism with an agenda (see blogs stuff etc). i like the way you're headed with this tho. i'm complaining about waves in the same way i complain about genres, and microgenresi use em, as we all do, but it doesn't stop me thinking they prevent a certain creativity... (it's a mistaking the menu for the meal situation for me) peace robin... While I agree Robin, I'm not trying to make this into a year zero thing, no point really. What I'm interested in doing is getting a good list together of the players, doing a mix of the tunes and adding some biog info. We could always do a mix of tunes that influenced the first wave, there's plenty of references points and I know there's a couple of the early players lurking on the list, should be to hard. And if we through in a copy of Dan's book and a couple of articles for good measure, it should make it easy for people to get into the History and therefore push the present into the future.
Re: (313) UR/PE
Well i know that Terminator X does play at Hypnotech parties, so i think they know of each other... On vrijdag, jul 25, 2003, at 12:02 Europe/Amsterdam, Mann, Ravinder [CCS] wrote: Given UR 'militant' 'afrocentric' stance on politics, society does anyone know if there was any interaction/communication between them and PE or Mad Mike and Chuck D ? Thanks
Re: (313) blake on the bike
thanks for the link! it has made me want to visit detroit even more, i'm a suclker for urban landscapes :) was wondering what the track with the girl singing is...sounds like miss kittin, is it her? thanks fab - Original Message - From: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: (313) blake on the bike Whehe http://www.blakebaxterdetroit.com/video/blake.ram Cycling is cool ;) Cheers, Maarten
Re: (313) blake on the bike
was wondering what the track with the girl singing is...sounds like miss kittin, is it her? Featuring the songs: ONE MORE TIME , and WHEN WE USED 2 PLAY. Video by Blake Baxter... Cheers, Maarten
Re: (313) blake on the bike
thanks Maarten, i know nothing of BB - Original Message - From: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fabrizio Nahum [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 12:31 PM Subject: Re: (313) blake on the bike was wondering what the track with the girl singing is...sounds like miss kittin, is it her? Featuring the songs: ONE MORE TIME , and WHEN WE USED 2 PLAY. Video by Blake Baxter... Cheers, Maarten
(313) The Techno Wheel
Shake said to me last week that the only people interested in history are historians, I disagree :) The amount of times we've played out at clubs and people have asked me what kind of dance music is this? or is this classed as techno?. I do know what you mean about putting things in a box but this is how the kids of today understand things and they are the ones who are going to be buying the tunes, the least we could do is give them a clue and keep it interesting. Lets give them a box of cool stuff to download/read and if breaking it into waves or years makes it easier then I'm all for it. How cool would it be to have a disk like the one Greg Wilson sent you with all the mixes and interviews on about electro-funk :) Man, you'd be tooled up to win any argument with that kind of info Last week in the studio, two of the DUST DJ's accused me of wanting to reinvent the techno wheel, why? Well I was doing things that they considered to be outside of what is deemed techno (one example would be a long snare roll), for me this music has always been about innovation, ideas, great art work, propaganda and the third record not about block building in Cubase or Logic, I think Tom MagicFeet wrote an article about all this and about the damage done my minimal techno - my point being 99% of the public think they know what techno is, the truth is only 1% of what they know is true and that would be the 4 to the floor side of it...we have no one but ourselves to blame... md hi martin, don't get me the wrong way, i think history of this stuff is very important and sometimes it's good to have this stuff down in a way that isn't jounalism with an agenda (see blogs stuff etc). i like the way you're headed with this tho. i'm complaining about waves in the same way i complain about genres, and microgenresi use em, as we all do, but it doesn't stop me thinking they prevent a certain creativity... (it's a mistaking the menu for the meal situation for me) peace robin... While I agree Robin, I'm not trying to make this into a year zero thing, no point really. What I'm interested in doing is getting a good list together of the players, doing a mix of the tunes and adding some biog info. We could always do a mix of tunes that influenced the first wave, there's plenty of references points and I know there's a couple of the early players lurking on the list, should be to hard. And if we through in a copy of Dan's book and a couple of articles for good measure, it should make it easy for people to get into the History and therefore push the present into the future.
RE: (313) UR/PE
Is it 'afrocentric'? Or is it 'just' revolutionary and iconoclaustic? Those demarcations aren't mutually exclusive but I'd say that if there is a message in UR and PE, it's wider than being 'merely' 'afrocentric'. k -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:03 AM To: '313' Subject: (313) UR/PE Given UR 'militant' 'afrocentric' stance on politics, society does anyone know if there was any interaction/communication between them and PE or Mad Mike and Chuck D ? Thanks
RE: (313) UR/PE
Well certainly revolutionary as it calls for reform...had the check the dictionary for the meaning of iconoclastic.. One who attacks and seeks to overthrow traditional or popular ideas or institutions So yes. But I would still say afrocentric point of view as PE's message is mostly the view of the world thru african american eyes...yep here. I don't know how 'afrocentric' (again in quotes) UR's music is but it I would say it is iconoclastic. I suppose they use 'sci-fi and space' as a metaphor for escaping from 'babylon' Apols for overuse of quotes, im try to to in concepts and not end up writing a long email. Rav -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 July 2003 11:59 To: Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; '313' Subject: RE: (313) UR/PE Is it 'afrocentric'? Or is it 'just' revolutionary and iconoclaustic? Those demarcations aren't mutually exclusive but I'd say that if there is a message in UR and PE, it's wider than being 'merely' 'afrocentric'. k -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:03 AM To: '313' Subject: (313) UR/PE Given UR 'militant' 'afrocentric' stance on politics, society does anyone know if there was any interaction/communication between them and PE or Mad Mike and Chuck D ? Thanks
RE: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
Second Wave: Mark Kinchen Who's that ?? never heard of him... looked him up on Discogs, he has quite a number of remixes, that's all... has he released 12s or LPs on his own ? Gwendal
Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
Second Wave: Mark Kinchen Who's that ?? never heard of him... looked him up on Discogs, he has quite a number of remixes, that's all... has he released 12s or LPs on his own ? He is also recording as MK, he did a track for retroactive records and had a label of his own called Area 10. http://www.discogs.com/artist/MK Cheers, Maarten
Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
Also released under 'seperate mind... We need somebody/ ist bass on express records... On 25/7/03 12:23 pm, Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second Wave: Mark Kinchen Who's that ?? never heard of him... looked him up on Discogs, he has quite a number of remixes, that's all... has he released 12s or LPs on his own ? He is also recording as MK, he did a track for retroactive records and had a label of his own called Area 10. http://www.discogs.com/artist/MK Cheers, Maarten
Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
He also was part of Seperate Minds... On vrijdag, jul 25, 2003, at 13:23 Europe/Amsterdam, Maarten Baute wrote: Second Wave: Mark Kinchen Who's that ?? never heard of him... looked him up on Discogs, he has quite a number of remixes, that's all... has he released 12s or LPs on his own ? He is also recording as MK, he did a track for retroactive records and had a label of his own called Area 10. http://www.discogs.com/artist/MK Cheers, Maarten
(313) records....
at last. I got some new records. amongst other things, I just picked up; New Mahogani 12 - 4 tracker from Andres New Sound Signature - Best one for a while. both good. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
(313) new records...
at last. I got some new records. amongst other things, I just picked up; New Mahogani 12 - 4 tracker from Andres New Sound Signature - Best one for a while. both good. _ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority for designated investment business. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com
RE: (313) UR/PE
Well certainly revolutionary as it calls for reform...had the check the dictionary for the meaning of iconoclastic.. One who attacks and seeks to overthrow traditional or popular ideas or institutions So yes. Yeah agreed, s'what I meant. But I would still say afrocentric point of view as PE's message is mostly the view of the world thru african american eyes...yep here. Again agreed. I don't know how 'afrocentric' (again in quotes) UR's music is but it I would say it is iconoclastic. Agreed again. I don't know the extent we could say 'Afrocentric' either. I can't speak for UR, but I would guess that to the extent that forms of 'Afrocentrism' (sic?) and in fact any self-deterministic, guiding principles, help achieve revolutionary aims, that would be part of the UR ethos. But hey, who am I to say. k
Re: (313) new records...
at last. I got some new records. amongst other things, I just picked up; New Mahogani 12 - 4 tracker from Andres New Sound Signature - Best one for a while. both good. so good you mailed in twice :) that Sound Signature has a track on it (Friendly Children) that is in the same vein as Sawala Sayale off of SS010.wicked stuff robin...
(313) Let me feel it once more
Oi! I'm looking for this ancient techno (rave?) track which uses the female voce sample Let me feel it once more. The breakbeat track Let me feel it once more from Omer Crooks uses this sample too but I remember it in a techno track (1994). And if I remember it correctly, it's from some Australian producers. Thanx! R. --- http://www.funxiun.com .dark.elektronix.
Re: (313) The Techno Wheel
I do know what you mean about putting things in a box but this is how the kids of today understand things and they are the ones who are going to be buying the tunes, the least we could do is give them a clue and keep it interesting. Lets give them a box of cool stuff to download/read and if breaking it into waves or years makes it easier then I'm all for it. i see the angle you come from here (and i partially agree on the need) but i'm not sure you encourage people to find their own things if you classify it down and neatly package it like that...or give a good picture of how things were (if indeed there is a single view on how things were...which there isn't) detroit techno (to me) is not _just_ about the tunes produced thereit is more an approach to many different kinds of music and a way of playing them. it'd be difficult to illustrate that easily to people not familiar with the material, any kind of classification (into waves, or whatever) is just trying to verbalise a feeling from a bunch of records do i make any sense here or am i just griping cos it's pissing it down in manchester. :) all that said, if there is web-space for any of this stuff and someone puts the effort in then it can't harm can it? at the very least it'll spark some discussion...and maybe get a few more people listening to more interesting music. robin...
(313) new records
sorry, I forgot to categorise the new releases into waves... I do apologise. SS018 - 21st wave Mahogani 4 - Royal 'queen type' wave Alex my motto for today? as mr pullen once said *WAVE THE WAVE GOODBYE* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) Waves was Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
Yeah, the whole wave thing is a tad confusing, maybe we should put mixes yeah..i think i am with robin on the waves thing...but more mixes/comps would be cool yes ;P kinda like retakes on the original Techno comps, 10+ years later, which is not a bad idea at all...for those who like history :P (aka classics ! haha) On the question of BS, well - how else to you get someone to read your blog without kicking off about something or getting something wonderfully wrong. haha good point..altho i do get what he's saying about some music being so reverential that it doesnt push things forward much, tho i dunno if i would use the word reduction...not everyone is an originator/innovator :P this is really such a typical notion of techno fans (and many producers..), techno has to keep progressing and new styles and blah blah blah, but i think innovation is highly overrated. its important but only as an afterthought, y'know just basic unique ideas and expressions, creativity are whats most important to any music imo, it's what leads to innovation i guess..it's a natural process, but its not natural to expect innovation at every turn...and besides, legacy is important...without all that stuff he writes off as reduction, b12, terrace, etc etc...i mean that stuff -- and detroit-influenced stuff in general -- plays/played an important part in building upon the detroit myth, and in keeping the sound alive and current/fresh etc...without that dialogue happening, all you have is time-compartmentalized (issat a word?) music, which is a shame and against the spirit of music to begin with imo...some people's tastes change, are more impatient than others' i guess...yeah anyways...bad idea to write this early in am haha jt _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
(313) new Submerge - UR, RedPlanet...
afternoon, i just took delivery of an order from Submerge, and in with the package was a postcard listing the following forthcoming releases... UR-053 Perv-Tech ep. produced by Chaos aka Marc Floyd UR-058 The Actuator ep. produced by UR (also available on 7) UR-059 Aquila produced by Aztec Mystic with a remix by Orlando Voorn (also available on 7) UR-060 Aquanauts ep. produced by The Aquanauts (also available on 7) Red Planet 12 produced by Namowan IGNTR-1 Ignitor EF-504 Flash EF-505 Stereotype some good stuff to watch-out for there imho. have a good weekend all! Rob ps: Binnie, unfortunately the taxman did take his cut. :P
RE: (313) many waves
In that case, then include Art Forest in that group. He did drums (could be mistaken) on early Inner City stuff. -Original Message- From: Maarten Baute [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 5:45 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Fw: (313) many waves ...and wasn't James Pennington also producing back then as Suburban Knight???* Yep.. the knight is first wave... he did the bassline on big fun. Cheers, Maarten
Re: (313) The Techno Wheel
written in a chilled voice, drinking tea I do know what you mean about putting things in a box but this is how the kids of today understand things and they are the ones who are going to be buying the tunes, the least we could do is give them a clue and keep it interesting. Lets give them a box of cool stuff to download/read and if breaking it into waves or years makes it easier then I'm all for it. i see the angle you come from here (and i partially agree on the need) but i'm not sure you encourage people to find their own things if you classify it down and neatly package it like that...or give a good picture of how things were (if indeed there is a single view on how things were...which there isn't) One of the things I've been playing around with is the idea of a VS with a couple of house DJ's up here, the idea being we play all the records in chronological order, should make for an interesting night of music. I would also argue that because there isn't enough quality history stuff around it would only help encourage people to dip into the back catalogue as well as purchasing new material. There's a new generation coming that will never go into a record shop, own decks, care about a 909 in mint condition, times move on - and we should also. If you add new stuff on the same page it can only help. How many times have you seen on this list new DJ's mentioned? Not many...Where are they or we happy just to keep talking about the same old stuff? Lets get it out of the way and focus on the present and future. detroit techno (to me) is not _just_ about the tunes produced thereit is more an approach to many different kinds of music and a way of playing them. it'd be difficult to illustrate that easily to people not familiar with the material, any kind of classification (into waves, or whatever) is just trying to verbalise a feeling from a bunch of records I was just thinking of doing a mix not a brand, music with always be subjective but there's no getting away from the facts or time they where released and it's a great way to present things - think about the music not the myth or politics :) do i make any sense here or am i just griping cos it's pissing it down in manchester. :) You do, it pissing it down here as well - but then again that's normal all that said, if there is web-space for any of this stuff and someone puts the effort in then it can't harm can it? at the very least it'll spark some discussion...and maybe get a few more people listening to more interesting music. I may need some help with some of the 12's but I'm up for itanyone else Martin
Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
You left out Rob Hood from the second wave. _d -- Original Message - Subject: Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:56:32 +0200 From: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org So today's question would be who would be it which wave, lets start with the first. Cybotron Number of Names This is what I think: First Wave: --- Juan Atkins, Marty Bonds, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, Blake Baxter, Anthony Shakir, Eddie Fowlkes Second Wave: Carl Craig, Jeff Mills, Mad Mike, Octave One, Jay Denham, Mark Kinchen, A Guy Called Gerald (not detroit) Third Wave: Claude Young, ... Euh.. I´m having a bit of a third wave blackout at the moment. Cheers, Maarten
Re: (313) new Submerge - UR, RedPlanet...
UR-058 The Actuator ep. produced by UR UR-060 Aquanauts ep. produced by The Aquanauts (also available on 7) has anyone heard these? does anyone know about 'the aquanauts' and whats the deal with the 7s? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) many waves
I read somewhere that blake baxter did the bassline on 'kaos'... Got to be one of my fav all time, all wave, all anything top 10 tunes On 25/7/03 3:06 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In that case, then include Art Forest in that group. He did drums (could be mistaken) on early Inner City stuff. -Original Message- From: Maarten Baute [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 5:45 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Fw: (313) many waves ...and wasn't James Pennington also producing back then as Suburban Knight???* Yep.. the knight is first wave... he did the bassline on big fun. Cheers, Maarten
(313) moodymann question
Hi, I really appologize for posting again a trainspotting alike question. But I was wondering if the versions of i can´t kick this feeling when it hits and music people on the kdj 12 are different from the album versions released on silent introduction on planet e. I have the album, but I know that it can occur with moodymann that the album version of a track is a bit more stripped down than its original single release. Thanks, Maarten
RE: (313) The Techno Wheel
Martin, I think you could be somewhat slightly losing your grip on feasibility or even desirability here: I mean listen to yourself: One of the things I've been playing around with is the idea of a VS with a couple of house DJ's up here, the idea being we play all the records in chronological order, should make for an interesting night of music. How desirable is that? Is that how your sets go? In chrono order?! It's pretty anal isn't it?!? Also, this whole idea of a sort of grandstand, to me is a bit poncey and preachy, a bit like the BBC really - 'mission to explain'!!! It reeks of patronization to say the least. As we get older it's natural that we calcify in our views and in our views about our deep felt experience. We sometimes come to believe that what we experienced could be more important than what younger (note emphasis, *younger*) folks are experiencing in their life of new and awe-inspiring music today. I'm not for interpolating (i.e. butting in!) as if to say: hey-up you lot, you don't know where it's at, listen to 'nude photo', et al. How uncool would you have felt that to be at age 18? Also remember, 'techno' or whatever you call it, has *always* been a cult, always been an aquired taste. And it's always been quite literally *difficult* to acquire, because the records have always been publicized in a narrow, low key way, *if at all* and mostly printed in razor-thin volumes, when compared to virtually any other genre. Sorry for the rant and I don't wanna get at you, especially you as natch it's folk like yourselveswho've always kept this damned thing alive - just wanted to bring you to your senses - *but* I'm prepared to admit that it's me who needs bringing to my senses -Original Message- From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) The Techno Wheel written in a chilled voice, drinking tea I do know what you mean about putting things in a box but this is how the kids of today understand things and they are the ones who are going to be buying the tunes, the least we could do is give them a clue and keep it interesting. Lets give them a box of cool stuff to download/read and if breaking it into waves or years makes it easier then I'm all for it. i see the angle you come from here (and i partially agree on the need) but i'm not sure you encourage people to find their own things if you classify it down and neatly package it like that...or give a good picture of how things were (if indeed there is a single view on how things were...which there isn't) One of the things I've been playing around with is the idea of a VS with a couple of house DJ's up here, the idea being we play all the records in chronological order, should make for an interesting night of music. I would also argue that because there isn't enough quality history stuff around it would only help encourage people to dip into the back catalogue as well as purchasing new material. There's a new generation coming that will never go into a record shop, own decks, care about a 909 in mint condition, times move on - and we should also. If you add new stuff on the same page it can only help. How many times have you seen on this list new DJ's mentioned? Not many...Where are they or we happy just to keep talking about the same old stuff? Lets get it out of the way and focus on the present and future. detroit techno (to me) is not _just_ about the tunes produced thereit is more an approach to many different kinds of music and a way of playing them. it'd be difficult to illustrate that easily to people not familiar with the material, any kind of classification (into waves, or whatever) is just trying to verbalise a feeling from a bunch of records I was just thinking of doing a mix not a brand, music with always be subjective but there's no getting away from the facts or time they where released and it's a great way to present things - think about the music not the myth or politics :) do i make any sense here or am i just griping cos it's pissing it down in manchester. :) You do, it pissing it down here as well - but then again that's normal all that said, if there is web-space for any of this stuff and someone puts the effort in then it can't harm can it? at the very least it'll spark some discussion...and maybe get a few more people listening to more interesting music. I may need some help with some of the 12's but I'm up for itanyone else Martin
Re: (313) The Techno Wheel
What's wrong with minimal techno? What kind of damage has it done? ~Dave -- Original Message - Subject: (313) The Techno Wheel Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:50:10 + From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shake said to me last week that the only people interested in history are historians, I disagree :) The amount of times we've played out at clubs and people have asked me what kind of dance music is this? or is this classed as techno?. I do know what you mean about putting things in a box but this is how the kids of today understand things and they are the ones who are going to be buying the tunes, the least we could do is give them a clue and keep it interesting. Lets give them a box of cool stuff to download/read and if breaking it into waves or years makes it easier then I'm all for it. How cool would it be to have a disk like the one Greg Wilson sent you with all the mixes and interviews on about electro-funk :) Man, you'd be tooled up to win any argument with that kind of info Last week in the studio, two of the DUST DJ's accused me of wanting to reinvent the techno wheel, why? Well I was doing things that they considered to be outside of what is deemed techno (one example would be a long snare roll), for me this music has always been about innovation, ideas, great art work, propaganda and the third record not about block building in Cubase or Logic, I think Tom MagicFeet wrote an article about all this and about the damage done my minimal techno - my point being 99% of the public think they know what techno is, the truth is only 1% of what they know is true and that would be the 4 to the floor side of it...we have no one but ourselves to blame... md hi martin, don't get me the wrong way, i think history of this stuff is very important and sometimes it's good to have this stuff down in a way that isn't jounalism with an agenda (see blogs stuff etc). i like the way you're headed with this tho. i'm complaining about waves in the same way i complain about genres, and microgenresi use em, as we all do, but it doesn't stop me thinking they prevent a certain creativity... (it's a mistaking the menu for the meal situation for me) peace robin... While I agree Robin, I'm not trying to make this into a year zero thing, no point really. What I'm interested in doing is getting a good list together of the players, doing a mix of the tunes and adding some biog info. We could always do a mix of tunes that influenced the first wave, there's plenty of references points and I know there's a couple of the early players lurking on the list, should be to hard. And if we through in a copy of Dan's book and a couple of articles for good measure, it should make it easy for people to get into the History and therefore push the present into the future.
Re: (313) The Techno Wheel
25/7/03 2:41 PM Odeluga, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martin, I think you could be somewhat slightly losing your grip on feasibility or even desirability here: I mean listen to yourself: One of the things I've been playing around with is the idea of a VS with a couple of house DJ's up here, the idea being we play all the records in chronological order, should make for an interesting night of music. How desirable is that? Is that how your sets go? In chrono order?! It's pretty anal isn't it?!? Not anal at all, I reckon it would be interesting and a challenge from a DJ point of view, plus the music would be pretty cool Ken - it's only 5 hours of music, not a life mission dude :) The drink would be flowing, the BBQ would be cooking - should be a sweet party - lets keep it interesting *LOL* Also, this whole idea of a sort of grandstand, to me is a bit poncey and preachy, a bit like the BBC really - 'mission to explain'!!! It reeks of patronization to say the least. I go back to what I mentioned earlier, when people ask what kind of dance music is this - DJ hands punter a card with URL, punter grabs the info and downloads - this is an information war! My stuff is always written in a calm voice, but sure sometimes I end up sounding like a Tw*T - so be it :) As we get older it's natural that we calcify in our views and in our views about our deep felt experience. We sometimes come to believe that what we experienced could be more important than what younger (note emphasis, *younger*) folks are experiencing in their life of new and awe-inspiring music today. I'm not for interpolating (i.e. butting in!) as if to say: hey-up you lot, you don't know where it's at, listen to 'nude photo', et al. How uncool would you have felt that to be at age 18? Your unlikely to see any youngsters in Sheffield at Techno do's Ken, it's not interesting or happening enough and if they are their it to get pilled into next week :( Also remember, 'techno' or whatever you call it, has *always* been a cult, always been an aquired taste. And it's always been quite literally *difficult* to acquire, because the records have always been publicized in a narrow, low key way, *if at all* and mostly printed in razor-thin volumes, when compared to virtually any other genre. While I agree that it a cult, it should become a cult of personality, and I've heard there's no decks in Heaven or Hell so all that music with never be heard by a new generation, that's a crime - even if its only to stop them making the same mistakes... Sorry for the rant and I don't wanna get at you, especially you as natch it's folk like yourselveswho've always kept this damned thing alive - just wanted to bring you to your senses - *but* I'm prepared to admit that it's me who needs bringing to my senses Feel free to go for it fella :)
(313) Can anyone shed any light on an unreleased derrick may lp from late 80;s
There are a couple of tunes on a mix of his on dhp which apparently are off this unreleased lp.. The 10 commandmets or something like that which is basically the bassline from 'kaos' with 'strings' going through it... Deep deep track... Any inofo would be great...
Re: (313) The Techno Wheel
From Tom's review of Dan's book... Moreover, there¹s little discussion of techno¹s bastard offspring, such as gabber and trance. Yet if this book has a single overriding fault, it is that too often Sicko fails to make connections or carry his themes through boldly enough. He rightly describes minimalism¹s original impetus as an attempt to find the lost funk in techno, but fails to point out that the hordes of minimal loop records that followed have been techno¹s undoing and are probably responsible for any current difficulties. He identifies commercially successful groups like 808 State, The Prodigy and Underworld but fails to underline that their success came only by adopting the kind of rock¹n¹roll trappings many of the music¹s originators were trying to get away from in the first place. And while he discusses genres like drum¹n¹bass, ambient and post-rock, he cannot pin down their relationship with techno. All the same, these are just personal observations, probably the kind of thing Sicko intended to generate in the first place. With such a vast subject, generalisations or omissions are inevitable and everybody with an interest in the subject is bound to find something here to take issue with - if the music didn¹t inspire debate and strong feelings it probably wouldn¹t be worth listening to anyway. What¹s more, as I¹ve already pointed out, Techno Rebels¹ is not meant to be an encyclopaedia or a definitive history, simply because such a work could probably never be completed... md 25/7/03 2:55 PM David [EMAIL PROTECTED] What's wrong with minimal techno? What kind of damage has it done? ~Dave -- Original Message - Subject: (313) The Techno Wheel Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:50:10 + From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shake said to me last week that the only people interested in history are historians, I disagree :) The amount of times we've played out at clubs and people have asked me what kind of dance music is this? or is this classed as techno?. I do know what you mean about putting things in a box but this is how the kids of today understand things and they are the ones who are going to be buying the tunes, the least we could do is give them a clue and keep it interesting. Lets give them a box of cool stuff to download/read and if breaking it into waves or years makes it easier then I'm all for it. How cool would it be to have a disk like the one Greg Wilson sent you with all the mixes and interviews on about electro-funk :) Man, you'd be tooled up to win any argument with that kind of info Last week in the studio, two of the DUST DJ's accused me of wanting to reinvent the techno wheel, why? Well I was doing things that they considered to be outside of what is deemed techno (one example would be a long snare roll), for me this music has always been about innovation, ideas, great art work, propaganda and the third record not about block building in Cubase or Logic, I think Tom MagicFeet wrote an article about all this and about the damage done my minimal techno - my point being 99% of the public think they know what techno is, the truth is only 1% of what they know is true and that would be the 4 to the floor side of it...we have no one but ourselves to blame... md hi martin, don't get me the wrong way, i think history of this stuff is very important and sometimes it's good to have this stuff down in a way that isn't jounalism with an agenda (see blogs stuff etc). i like the way you're headed with this tho. i'm complaining about waves in the same way i complain about genres, and microgenresi use em, as we all do, but it doesn't stop me thinking they prevent a certain creativity... (it's a mistaking the menu for the meal situation for me) peace robin... While I agree Robin, I'm not trying to make this into a year zero thing, no point really. What I'm interested in doing is getting a good list together of the players, doing a mix of the tunes and adding some biog info. We could always do a mix of tunes that influenced the first wave, there's plenty of references points and I know there's a couple of the early players lurking on the list, should be to hard. And if we through in a copy of Dan's book and a couple of articles for good measure, it should make it easy for people to get into the History and therefore push the present into the future.
Re: (313) Waves was Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
Yeah, the whole wave thing is a tad confusing, maybe we should put mixes yeah..i think i am with robin on the waves thing...but more mixes/comps would be cool yes ;P kinda like retakes on the original Techno comps, 10+ years later, which is not a bad idea at all...for those who like history :P (aka classics ! haha) yeah we need someone to make a compilation of properly licensed older music (that'll never get proper represses) before the bootleggers beat em to it... :) robin...
RE: (313) Waves was Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
Robin: yeah we need someone to make a compilation of properly licensed older music (that'll never get proper represses) before the bootleggers beat em to it... :) ack, where's Neil Rushton when you need him? ;) Rob
Re: (313) The Techno Wheel
Listen to what actual Detroit DJs play. It isn't only a bunch of Detroit tracks. For that matter, I think people like Plaslaiko and BMG with his laptop set are ahead of what most of the older guys do these days. And they are not any wave, but they rock. Detroit music is about attitude and also about an eclectic and international approach. You have to understand it from the viewpoint of us people who are stuck in this sh*thole of the midwest. Europe is a very far away place for us. Americans are not cosmopolitan at all. So the Detroit style of techno is about sweet Detroit records in part, sure, but also about getting out of here, about having an open minded attitude that tries to stay on top of what's happening on the other side of the ocean even though you are the only person that has ever heard of it. And the other part about Detroit is, the hardness and the edginess, if you've actually been there you understand. The softer moments of Detroit music need to be contextualized with the background of this edginess. Sometimes I think people overseas create a version of Detroit that seems a bit less edgy. I think that this whole idea is a bit silly. Why not just play good records? How does it help Detroit music for you to make this artificial version of it? Make a new myth, make your own propaganda for your stuff, model after them if you want, but quit worshipping this stuff. It's just music in the end. On the other hand, if I was in the UK and you had this party, I would come and drink all your beer. ~Dave -- Original Message - Subject: Re: (313) The Techno Wheel Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:54:03 + From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org 25/7/03 2:41 PM Odeluga, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martin, I think you could be somewhat slightly losing your grip on feasibility or even desirability here: I mean listen to yourself: One of the things I've been playing around with is the idea of a VS with a couple of house DJ's up here, the idea being we play all the records in chronological order, should make for an interesting night of music. How desirable is that? Is that how your sets go? In chrono order?! It's pretty anal isn't it?!? Not anal at all, I reckon it would be interesting and a challenge from a DJ point of view, plus the music would be pretty cool Ken - it's only 5 hours of music, not a life mission dude :) The drink would be flowing, the BBQ would be cooking - should be a sweet party - lets keep it interesting *LOL* Also, this whole idea of a sort of grandstand, to me is a bit poncey and preachy, a bit like the BBC really - 'mission to explain'!!! It reeks of patronization to say the least. I go back to what I mentioned earlier, when people ask what kind of dance music is this - DJ hands punter a card with URL, punter grabs the info and downloads - this is an information war! My stuff is always written in a calm voice, but sure sometimes I end up sounding like a Tw*T - so be it :) As we get older it's natural that we calcify in our views and in our views about our deep felt experience. We sometimes come to believe that what we experienced could be more important than what younger (note emphasis, *younger*) folks are experiencing in their life of new and awe-inspiring music today. I'm not for interpolating (i.e. butting in!) as if to say: hey-up you lot, you don't know where it's at, listen to 'nude photo', et al. How uncool would you have felt that to be at age 18? Your unlikely to see any youngsters in Sheffield at Techno do's Ken, it's not interesting or happening enough and if they are their it to get pilled into next week :( Also remember, 'techno' or whatever you call it, has *always* been a cult, always been an aquired taste. And it's always been quite literally *difficult* to acquire, because the records have always been publicized in a narrow, low key way, *if at all* and mostly printed in razor-thin volumes, when compared to virtually any other genre. While I agree that it a cult, it should become a cult of personality, and I've heard there's no decks in Heaven or Hell so all that music with never be heard by a new generation, that's a crime - even if its only to stop them making the same mistakes... Sorry for the rant and I don't wanna get at you, especially you as natch it's folk like yourselveswho've always kept this damned thing alive - just wanted to bring you to your senses - *but* I'm prepared to admit that it's me who needs bringing to my senses Feel free to go for it fella :)
Re: (313) The Techno Wheel
Dave don't read too much into this, I did say it was only five hours of music not a life mission... 25/7/03 3:39 PM David [EMAIL PROTECTED] Listen to what actual Detroit DJs play. It isn't only a bunch of Detroit tracks. For that matter, I think people like Plaslaiko and BMG with his laptop set are ahead of what most of the older guys do these days. And they are not any wave, but they rock. Sure, but lets hear about them and get the mixes up :) Detroit music is about attitude and also about an eclectic and international approach. You have to understand it from the viewpoint of us people who are stuck in this sh*thole of the midwest. You should try Sheffield or Manchester mate, it where Gods finger stopped when he made this planet man :) Europe is a very far away place for us. Americans are not cosmopolitan at all. What's with NYC then, 16 fing bucks for a beer... So the Detroit style of techno is about sweet Detroit records in part, sure, but also about getting out of here, about having an open minded attitude that tries to stay on top of what's happening on the other side of the ocean even though you are the only person that has ever heard of it. And the other part about Detroit is, the hardness and the edginess, if you've actually been there you understand. The softer moments of Detroit music need to be contextualized with the background of this edginess. Sometimes I think people overseas create a version of Detroit that seems a bit less edgy. The waves things was only an idea to help get the music out there, kids want it easy these days, making it harder only cost us bucks... I think that this whole idea is a bit silly. Thanks, we brits are silly - check Monty Python :) Why not just play good records? Do that all day long, easy... How does it help Detroit music for you to make this artificial version of it? ? What by playing records in order for just one night, wish I'd never mentioned it now LOL On the other hand, if I was in the UK and you had this party, I would come and drink all your beer. Yeah right, you never been up north to a drinking party have you? But you are welcome if you think you can hold a gallon, eat a ton of meat and blaze away like a good 'en. Give me a shout if you are ever over or I'll drop you a line when I'm back in Detroit - loser pays the tab... :) md
Re: (313) The Techno Wheel
There's a new generation coming that will never go into a record shop, own decks, care about a 909 in mint condition... sorry but that is such a BS statement. It can be argued then that there is a new generation coming that will never go into an acoustic guitar shop or care about a pre-war Gibson either. This new generation has among it some people who will one day go into a record shop, own decks and maybe even plunk down well over 10 grand for a old classic guitar. I know when I was 15 I wouldn't have cared much about a 909 either - I was happy playing my Rickenbacher. sure, the majority of the new generation won't ever go into a record shop etc. but then again most of the people I know in my age bracket don't either. You're talking about very specialized areas of interest - I wonder if there is a ballroom dancing email list that having a similar discussion about the new generation? MEK
(313) 1200's for $319 a piece (w/blemishes, but so what)
Just thought I'd give yall a heads-up. Musician's Friend is having a scratch and dent sale, with free shipping on anything above $299. I just bought a pair of silver 1200's for $640, out tha doe! ...and stickers cover up scratches nicely;) Hope that makes someone's day...sure made my MONTH! d$
Re: (313) Record stores in Helsinki?
hei, There's a good few Helsinki record shops listed in Hyperreal's Rotator locator, most of them have websites so you can check out which ones are 313ish beforehand. Record shopping in Helsinki isn't the cheapest of activitites unless it's Finish releases you are after. http://music.hyperreal.org/rotator/finland.htm this list is out of date - most of the shops are out of business now and some (like previously pretty good) spinefarm are clearing out techno music stock - check spinefarm for some 6e CDs, located in the corner of annankatu and eerikinkatu. the only idm-related shop is http://www.disndatrecords.com/ but the prices are relatively high - this is no doubt one of the most expensive countries to visit to. also there may be something interesting in http://www.lifesaver.net/ most famous, streetbeat, sells mostly house/trance-dance music. most non-pop djs in finland prefer to order their music from abroad, usually from germany/uk. -- Johannes Gronvall - Damicon Kraa - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Mixup Selecta...
great mix! -- Original Message -- From: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:03:51 +0100 Shameless self-promotion time... Brand new mix online at : http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/users/mbl/Bang4DaBucks.mp3 Tracklisting at : http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/users/mbl Some 313 bits, some breaks/hipHop, some house, some DnB err usual mashup randomness :D Any feedback muchos appreciated ! Peace, marc -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/
(313) Ken Ishii in Chicago 7/26
I don't have any affiliation but though some would be interested Saturday 7/26: Ken Ishii Mike Dearborn **Billy Nasty had to cancel his North American tour do to a personal emergency. Sorry for any inconvenience. Kyle Szmurlo Vision Nightclub visionnightclub.com 640 N Dearborn Chicago, IL 10pm - 5am, 21+ to enter Tix Also Available at WANTICKETS.COM
RE: (313) Ken Ishii in Chicago 7/26
Billy Nasty had to cancel his North American tour A lucky escape for Chicago then -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 7:45 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Ken Ishii in Chicago 7/26 I don't have any affiliation but though some would be interested Saturday 7/26: Ken Ishii Mike Dearborn **Billy Nasty had to cancel his North American tour do to a personal emergency. Sorry for any inconvenience. Kyle Szmurlo Vision Nightclub visionnightclub.com 640 N Dearborn Chicago, IL 10pm - 5am, 21+ to enter Tix Also Available at WANTICKETS.COM # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) Ken Ishii in Chicago 7/26
there will be a paxahau webcast with Ishii Sunday starting around 5ish - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 3:45 PM Subject: (313) Ken Ishii in Chicago 7/26 I don't have any affiliation but though some would be interested Saturday 7/26: Ken Ishii Mike Dearborn **Billy Nasty had to cancel his North American tour do to a personal emergency. Sorry for any inconvenience. Kyle Szmurlo Vision Nightclub visionnightclub.com 640 N Dearborn Chicago, IL 10pm - 5am, 21+ to enter Tix Also Available at WANTICKETS.COM
Re: (313) Ken Ishii in Chicago 7/26
I just got that notification too - Paxahau webcasts are archived aren't they? MEK Kookie [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] nic.net cc: Subject: Re: (313) Ken Ishii in Chicago 7/26 07/25/03 04:29 PM there will be a paxahau webcast with Ishii Sunday starting around 5ish - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 3:45 PM Subject: (313) Ken Ishii in Chicago 7/26 I don't have any affiliation but though some would be interested Saturday 7/26: Ken Ishii Mike Dearborn **Billy Nasty had to cancel his North American tour do to a personal emergency. Sorry for any inconvenience. Kyle Szmurlo Vision Nightclub visionnightclub.com 640 N Dearborn Chicago, IL 10pm - 5am, 21+ to enter Tix Also Available at WANTICKETS.COM
(313) reminder: Geoff White LIVE! in Philadelphia, Sat July 26
Hey guys ! We're hosting another party tomorrow Saturday July 26, and we'll have the pleasure of seeing and hearing Geoff White for a live performance. That will be one of his last performances in the US since he'll be moving to Spain (lucky barcelonians.) in the fall. Here is all the info: Geoff White (Edit, Force Inc.) LIVE ! with supporting cast: DJ Kate (Spork), Cyhl (DreamLab, BastardJazz), Sean O'Neal (Spork, 611, FuzzyBox) Saturday July 26 2003 at Silk City, 5th Spring Garden, Philadelphia 10pm - 2am $5 Take a peak at the flyer: http://www.dreamlabrecords.com/images/Geoff_White_072603.gif Cheers, Sylvain
Re: (313) Ken Ishii in Chicago 7/26
Yes they are - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kookie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 5:30 PM Subject: Re: (313) Ken Ishii in Chicago 7/26 I just got that notification too - Paxahau webcasts are archived aren't they? MEK Kookie [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] nic.net cc: Subject: Re: (313) Ken Ishii in Chicago 7/26 07/25/03 04:29 PM there will be a paxahau webcast with Ishii Sunday starting around 5ish - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 3:45 PM Subject: (313) Ken Ishii in Chicago 7/26 I don't have any affiliation but though some would be interested Saturday 7/26: Ken Ishii Mike Dearborn **Billy Nasty had to cancel his North American tour do to a personal emergency. Sorry for any inconvenience. Kyle Szmurlo Vision Nightclub visionnightclub.com 640 N Dearborn Chicago, IL 10pm - 5am, 21+ to enter Tix Also Available at WANTICKETS.COM
(313) etc 2003.07.26
[update] nickd.org presents: DJ VS DILLO: 'Attack of the Timestretched Progressive Trance Narrative Other Electronic Oddities' 2003.07.25fr 22:00-late featuring: nickd v m50 (on four turntables) other VERY special guests... @ El Scorcho 2026 Maple #2 Evanston, IL 0+ 0$ etc as Head Theater this Friday night 2003.07.26sa 01:00 3hours hosted by: pHonaut tune in to 89.3 fm or http://www.wnur.org/live.ram etc2 this Monday morning 2003.07.28mo 05:00 150minutes hosted by: m50 tune in to 89.3 fm or http://www.wnur.org/live.ram (etc 2 has been re-started after 2 year's absence for a limited time, and seems to be drifting towards a focus on downtempo music check playlists for details) [upcoming] etc (wnur) 2003.08.02sa 01:00 3hours etc2 (wnur) 2003.08.04mo 05:00 150minutes downtempo Improvlotto 2003.08.06we 21:00 Philip Von Zweck, Christopher Sorg, J Cookson, m50 see 'local' etc (wnur) 2003.08.09sa 01:00 3hours: Todd Sines (Residual, Background, Planet E), Archetype (live PA - Black Nation, Theory, Sonic Mind, 21/22 Corporation, Ongaku, Speaker Attack, 77, Inkubator Akustik) illmeasures presents: Flow 2003.08.09sa 22:00-03:00: Todd Sines (Residual, Background, Planet E), Archetype (live PA - Black Nation, Theory, Sonic Mind, 21/22 Corporation, Ongaku, Speaker Attack, 77, Inkubator Akustik), m50, Striz, DJ Reed see 'local' [playlists] m50: etc2 : 2003.Jul.22 05:00 150minutes : WNUR-FM Deadly Avenger : We Took Pelham : Deep Red : Illicit Thievery Corporation : Weightless : Rise Soundtrack : Movement Alpinestars : 77 Sunset Strip : BASIC : Guidance Echo : Sparks From A Wheel - Rae Christian Instrumental : The Remixes : New Line Lumin : Izgrala : Traveler '03 : Six Degrees Echo : Sparks From A Wheel - Rae Christian Remix : The Remixes : New Line Bonobo : Noctuary : Dial 'M' For Monkey : Ninjatune Ralph Myerz and the Jack Herren Band : Here Is Love : A Special Album : Emperor Norton Bonobo : D Song : Dial M For Monkey : Ninjatune Ralph Myers and the Jack Herren Band : Casino : A Special Album : Emperor Norton Funki Porchini : The Big Sea : Fast Asleep : Ninjatune Echostar : Night Light : Sola : Shadow Weekend Players : 21st Century : Pursuit Of Happiness : Full Frequency Respone Recordings The Latin Project : En Fuego : Nueva Musica : Electric Monkey DJ Spinna : Funktakuda : Solebeatsone : Solemusic Coolhouse Productions : Madness In The Mirror : Life Turns 180 Degrees : Coolhouse Productions Audio Bullys : Snake : Ego War : Astralwerks Fannypack : Boom Boom : So Stylistic : Tommy Boy Everything But The Girl : Before Today - Chicane Remix : Like The Deserts Miss The Rain : Warner Thievery Corporation : All That We Perceive : The Richest Man In Babylon : Eighteenth Street Lounge Pixies : Here Comes Your Man : Pixies : SpinArt Autechre : [track 4] : Draft 7.30 : WARP [local] 2003.07.25fr Duotone Angel Alanis Aaron Michelson Erin Stephenson John Massey Drumcell Subversive @ Wonderbar 2692 La Cienga Blvd (just south of the 10/Venice Blvd) LA, CA 21+ free before 00:00, 4$ after 2003.07.25fr 22:00-late nickd.org presents: DJ VS DILLO nickd v m50 (on four turntables) John Digweed (exclusive North American performance - Bedrock) kid606 (live PA - Carpark, Tigerbeat6) @ El Scorcho 2026 Maple #2 Evanston, IL 0+ 0$ 2003.07.26sa 13:00-17:00 Buck Funnies Dalek (Brooklyn) Giant (Portland) Joker (San Fransisco) @ Heaven Gallery 1550 N Milwaukee Chicago, IL ?+ ?$ 2003.07.26sa 22:00-03:00 illmeasures presents: Flow Caural (Chocolate Ind) Striz (Illmeasures) @ Lava Lounge 859 N Damen Chicago, IL 21+ 0$ 2003.07.27su 13:00-17:00 Buck Funnies Dalek (Brooklyn) Giant (Portland) Joker (San Fransisco) @ Heaven Gallery 1550 N Milwaukee Chicago, IL ?+ ?$ 2003.08.02sa 22:00-03:00 illmeasures presents: Flow Brazil (Organik Produckshunz) DJ Justin Reed Striz @ Lava Lounge 859 N Damen Chicago, IL 21+ 0$ 2003.08.02sa 23:00 Vibeonauts, N'Joy and XM Satellite Radio present: Planet of the Drums Tour Dieselboy AK 1200 Dara MC J. Messinian Ry-N Glyde The Opus @ Metro 3730 N Clark Chicago, IL 18+ 20$ 2003.08.05tu Consumers Research and Development and Someoddpilot records present: Substance Rusty McNeedles (of Single Minded Pros) @ Streetside Cafe 3201 W Armitage Chicago, IL 21+ 0$ fon 773 252 9700 2003.08.06we 21:00 Improvlotto (live improvisation / collaborative performance) Philip Von Zweck Christopher Sorg J Cookson m50 @ Buddy Gallery 1542 N Milwaukee, 2nd Floor Chicago, IL 0+ 0$ 2003.08.07th 22:00 OBS/EAR, Meiotic, Gramaphone and Antenna present: Threat 02 Todd Sines (Residual, Background, Planet E) Archetype (Black Nation, Theory, Sonic Mind, 21/22 Corporation, Ongaku, Speaker Attack, 77, Inkubator Akustik) Traxx Josh Werner Marko Katic @ Smartbar 3730 N Clark Chicago, IL 21+ 7$ 2003.08.09sa 22:00 illmeasures presents: Flow Todd Sines (Residual, Background, Planet E) Archetype (live PA - Black Nation, Theory, Sonic Mind, 21/22 Corporation, Ongaku, Speaker Attack, 77, Inkubator Akustik) m50 (WNUR) Striz DJ
Re: (313) blogs
Maarten Baute wrote: So what are the music (techno/house/disco/funk/etc...) related blogs that you recommend? Thanks, Maarten I have a techno messageboard @ http://pub62.ezboard.com/plusorminus .. feel free to stop by and say a few words. :) Regards, Ramon
