RE: (313) Meanwhile, back in Detroit......
Yeah, I picked up that one (Eric D one). Thanks for input -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Meanwhile, back in Detroit.. As for the previous release with Eddie's mix of Riders On The Storm (cough!)less said the better from me I think :) :) umm yeah. The Eric D Clark track, G Moviente is nice though. In a distorted kinda way. robin...
RE: (313) Model 500 interview
Juan: Starting probably this month we're going to start recording, start working on some new stuff, a new album to be released on Metroplex. Makes me want to shout rude words in the office whilst smiling and doing cartwheels :) -Original Message- From: Wojtek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 6:47 PM To: 313 Subject: (313) Model 500 interview http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature-read.aspx?id=907
Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
Yeah me too- he seems like a decent guy in the flesh but to me his main strength is in marketing, not music. 2008/5/2 kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yeah, I listened to it at work. I always try and give Mr. Hawtin a chance, since the one time I met him he was quite nice to me, and seemed like an intelligent guy. But... it doesn't really make me bust a grin, which a good mix will. It was OK, but I listened at work and it turned into sonic wallpaper. I kind of like the last Decksfx CD but had the same impression -- it's great background music for computer programming -- Dilbert Techno. There's a place for that, but I think I wouldn't much like to see him play out if that's the way he mixes. Give me some variation and drama! On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that Tom is too busy writing Model 500 articles for Resident Advisor, how are we going to stir (313) into a hornet's nest? Just mention Richie :) http://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?id=100 Direct iTunes Music Store Podcast link: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=129673441 This direct link might work, if you have an RA account: http://ra2.residentadvisor.net/audio/RA100_080428_Richie-Hawtin-residentadvisor.net.mp3 - Greg
Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
You know what? I am pretty sure I hate everything richie hawtin has done since the Consumed album (save the exception that proves the rule, his low blow track that he did with steve bug), but if he had never done anything but Spastik, I'd still consider him a god amongst techno men. SPASTIK FOR CHRISSAKES. You just can't beat it. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:35 PM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I listened to it at work. I always try and give Mr. Hawtin a chance, since the one time I met him he was quite nice to me, and seemed like an intelligent guy. But... it doesn't really make me bust a grin, which a good mix will. It was OK, but I listened at work and it turned into sonic wallpaper. I kind of like the last Decksfx CD but had the same impression -- it's great background music for computer programming -- Dilbert Techno. There's a place for that, but I think I wouldn't much like to see him play out if that's the way he mixes. Give me some variation and drama! On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that Tom is too busy writing Model 500 articles for Resident Advisor, how are we going to stir (313) into a hornet's nest? Just mention Richie :) http://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?id=100 Direct iTunes Music Store Podcast link: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=129673441 This direct link might work, if you have an RA account: http://ra2.residentadvisor.net/audio/RA100_080428_Richie-Hawtin-residentadvisor.net.mp3 - Greg -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
I really enjoyed the mix, there's some good stuff in there - I don't think it just marketing either but that's all people seem to focus on, it's easy to talk about the wrong thing ;) On 2 May 2008, at 08:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah me too- he seems like a decent guy in the flesh but to me his main strength is in marketing, not music. 2008/5/2 kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yeah, I listened to it at work. I always try and give Mr. Hawtin a chance, since the one time I met him he was quite nice to me, and seemed like an intelligent guy. But... it doesn't really make me bust a grin, which a good mix will. It was OK, but I listened at work and it turned into sonic wallpaper. I kind of like the last Decksfx CD but had the same impression -- it's great background music for computer programming -- Dilbert Techno. There's a place for that, but I think I wouldn't much like to see him play out if that's the way he mixes. Give me some variation and drama!
RE: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
I haven't even heard the mix so I've no opinion on whether it's good or bad. However it seems fair to agree that Hawtin is very good at marketing. Whether his marketing skills outweigh his musical ones though, that's where it becomes a matter of opinion, innit? -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:55 AM To: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast I really enjoyed the mix, there's some good stuff in there - I don't think it just marketing either but that's all people seem to focus on, it's easy to talk about the wrong thing ;) On 2 May 2008, at 08:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah me too- he seems like a decent guy in the flesh but to me his main strength is in marketing, not music. 2008/5/2 kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yeah, I listened to it at work. I always try and give Mr. Hawtin a chance, since the one time I met him he was quite nice to me, and seemed like an intelligent guy. But... it doesn't really make me bust a grin, which a good mix will. It was OK, but I listened at work and it turned into sonic wallpaper. I kind of like the last Decksfx CD but had the same impression -- it's great background music for computer programming -- Dilbert Techno. There's a place for that, but I think I wouldn't much like to see him play out if that's the way he mixes. Give me some variation and drama!
Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
On 2 May 2008, at 09:02, Odeluga, Ken wrote: I haven't even heard the mix so I've no opinion on whether it's good or bad. However it seems fair to agree that Hawtin is very good at marketing. Whether his marketing skills outweigh his musical ones though, that's where it becomes a matter of opinion, innit? I just think it's lazy to say he's good a marketing because to be honest it's not that hard to market records and do good artwork - you could ring and email all the press in about 2hrs!!! UR are just as good for example, as are Bpitch - the list is pretty endless. People focus on the wrong thing with him and take the easy way out, it's almost become a natural habit for many. It's like listening to people bang on about how good the Orbit was, well the last two years where shocking, the line-ups were very, very poor and the crowd was the most narrow minded I've experienced - great days indeed, it's just selective memory. It's also very naive to suggest people buy the marketing idea when selecting what to purchase, people aren't stupid. m
Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
I just think it's lazy to say he's good a marketing because to be honest it's not that hard to market records and do good artwork - you could ring and email all the press in about 2hrs!!! UR are just as good for example, as are Bpitch - the list is pretty endless. - Pretty easy to say when you work in the design marketing business! It's easy to do all this stuff if you are naturally pre-disposed to it and already have the necessary skills - however for some people it can be very difficult indeed. Forging contacts with press requires a particular mindset and, how shall we say, 'verbal skills', which many great artists lack. It's also very naive to suggest people buy the marketing idea when selecting what to purchase, people aren't stupid. - Are these the same people who seem about to elect a clown for Mayor of London? Facetiousness aside, I think it's crazy to suggest that people aren't led by good marketing! Music buyers like every other member of the shopping public will generally take what's spoonfed to them - more discerning buyers like those on this list are pretty rare in comparison to the legion sheep out there who will go for whatever the latest trend is. Do you really think the 10,000 people all nodding away druggily to Richie's sets at Sonar or wherever were there because they REALLY loved his music? It would be nice to think that the scene was some kind of meritocracy where the cream naturally rises to the top, but I think all the evidence suggests otherwise. -- *matt chester 11th hour recordings* www.myspace.com/mattchester1 www.myspace.com/11thhourrecordings www.virb.com/mattchester www.11-hour.com
Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
I get what both of you are saying... but where I'm at it's REALLY frustrating that most people don't seem to have much personal taste but instead just follow the trends. It makes it hard to do something that's outside the norm or what you want to call it. Yeah, I know I'm wining a bit now, but sometimes, I get really pissed off. If it isn't Ricardo, Luciano, Richie, Sven etc. then it's just not interesting. 2008/5/2 Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 2 May 2008, at 09:50, Matt Chester wrote: I just think it's lazy to say he's good a marketing because to be honest it's not that hard to market records and do good artwork - you could ring and email all the press in about 2hrs!!! UR are just as good for example, as are Bpitch - the list is pretty endless. - Pretty easy to say when you work in the design marketing business! It's easy to do all this stuff if you are naturally pre-disposed to it and already have the necessary skills - however for some people it can be very difficult indeed. Forging contacts with press requires a particular mindset and, how shall we say, 'verbal skills', which many great artists lack. I disagree Matt, it's not hard to find a design company that will do your labels for free if you let them do what they want to and most of the press contacts are printed in the magazines, doing a two para press release isn't that taxing surely but I do take your point that some are better or more suited than others but it's not really an excuse or a reason to lay blame, is it? It's also very naive to suggest people buy the marketing idea when selecting what to purchase, people aren't stupid. - Are these the same people who seem about to elect a clown for Mayor of London? You tell me, most people take their music more seriously than voting for Boris for a laugh ;) You get what you deserve and most people moaning about it didn't even bother voting. Facetiousness aside, I think it's crazy to suggest that people aren't led by good marketing! Music buyers like every other member of the shopping public will generally take what's spoonfed to them - more discerning buyers like those on this list are pretty rare in comparison to the legion sheep out there who will go for whatever the latest trend is. I don't know anyone who buys something they don't like but you have to accept there will always be market leaders but it really shouldn't come as a shock to anyone of this list that advertising works. Do you really think the 10,000 people all nodding away druggily to Richie's sets at Sonar or wherever were there because they REALLY loved his music? It would be nice to think that the scene was some kind of meritocracy where the cream naturally rises to the top, but I think all the evidence suggests otherwise. I can't speak for them but I'll be going to see him cos I like his music and the world isn't fair - humanity, the devil I tell thee :) but why concern yourself with who's at the top and the grass is green stuff - just do your stuff and be happy. m
Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
On 2 May 2008, at 10:10, Matthew Dickinson wrote: I get what both of you are saying... but where I'm at it's REALLY frustrating that most people don't seem to have much personal taste but instead just follow the trends. It makes it hard to do something that's outside the norm or what you want to call it. Yeah, I know I'm wining a bit now, but sometimes, I get really pissed off. If it isn't Ricardo, Luciano, Richie, Sven etc. then it's just not interesting. But this has always been the case but I don't think it's as bad as it was, places like Fabric are putting on artists that wouldn't normally get a big gig and people are finding good blogs for their sources rather than just magazines. Moaning about people who like funky house or Clubland Nation 10,000 is pretty pointless IHMO. I guess we just have to work harder to switch people on to stuff. m
Re: (313) Exited, you bet!
more from http://www.deep-art.net/ also preview on their site === KENNY LARKIN Planet E, Art of Dance, USA www.myspace.com/kennylarkin http://www.myspace.com/kennylarkin NEW ALBUM KEYS, STRINGS, TAMBOURINES *PLANET E Communications* *CD/Digital * *Release Date : July 1st 2008* It's been a few years since Carl Craig's Detroit based independent label Planet E Communications has released an artist full-length and Craig hasn't chosen just any album for his label's return to releasing full lengths. This is a very special record from his fellow Detroiter, former neighbor and long-term close friend Kenny Larkin who also happens to be one of the most original producers to emerge from Detroit. Kenny Larkin's last album Funkfaker was released in France in 2004. Dropped under his Dark Comedy moniker it was much more of a deep exploration into a new kind of funk. It was a step away from his electronic roots, and a more experimental work when considered in the body of his musical work. “Keys, Strings and Tambourines” however goes back to where Larkin started - back to his days as a youngster going to The Shelter and Music Institute in Detroit. Inspiration for this album simply came from the love of electronic music says Kenny. What's clear is that the playfully titled “Keys, Strings and Tambourines” just also happens to in the creators own words - my most dance floor oriented album to date. This makes great sense right now. In terms of electronic music we are at a crossroads where people feel the need either to go Pop or feed the dance floor. Larkin manages to do the latter with fine skill but in typical Larkin and Planet E style this is no ordinary simple dance floor album. Take the first single from the album You Are which is based in part on the phenomena of The Secret - Kenny's vocal here is something that wouldn't have been featured on earlier Larkin albums prior to Funkfaker. It's a track that sees him expanding beyond the dance floor into some kind of new twisted song territory that most definitively isn't pop - it's electronic, it's Detroit, it's twisted. Perhaps he's just taking in his now very Los Angeles lifestyle (he moved there in the early '00s) which sees him hiking the Hollywood hills and spending his non-music time doing stand-up comedy and learning how to act in and shoot independent films and productions of his own and others. In April 2008, he helped produce, shoot, and act in a TV sitcom pilot also featuring Hollywood bad boy actor Tom Sizemore. “Keys, Strings and Tambourines” does reflects Larkin’s cinematic interest. It's a record with a sense of drama - pounding pulsations of dramatic energy inform many of the tracks. This is Techno with a pulse and heart that reminds us again that many of the best ideas in electronic music started right here in America and that America is still producing top-level material. Techno isn’t, as some would have you believe, only still alive and creative in Germany. Larkin's favorite track on the album is a prime example - called Glob Glob Kenny says I wrote it on my last tour in Australia in a hotel in Sydney – a very nice mental place to write music, and that song came out. I love it. Usually when an artist picks a favorite, it goes over most people's heads. I don't know why .. I associate a lot of good things with writing that song in Sydney, probably due to the success of the tour itself. Simply put the track is simply one highlight on an album full of them. “Keys, Strings and Tambourines” isn't the kind of record that it's easy to pull favorites from. It works as a total work. Discussing the rest of the album, which includes an upcoming bumping second single Bass Mode Kenny reveals that The majority of the album was written at my home in LA, but I flew to Detroit a few times to work in Carl's studio which did wonders for my inspiration. Nothing can top the type of inspiration I get from being in a proper studio environment in Detroit. I stayed in Carl's studio and worked for days!. Perhaps it's the massive club like bass bins in that Detroit studio that impacted the bass feeling on the record, or maybe it was just that Kenny was back home in the D. The town that gave him an award in 1995 as Best Techno Artist. Maybe it's just that he was away from his usual LA distractions, which include regular slots as a stand-up comedian. He says that he now spends around 40% of his time on comedy and other acting interests In LA. The other 60% is spend working on music and traveling. Right now he's also busy developing a new live show for a tour of Europe this summer. Does he consider himself a comedian who makes music or a musician who does comedy? I would like to be considered as both equally. So don't be surprised if you see this Techno man on your TV soon. Larkin prefers working on proper synthesizers, and mixing on a mixing desk with proper outboard gear. You can hear this impact the
Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
I dunno Martin. If you've got the secret formula for all the right people to contact to get me free graphic design and the right kind of press to score me gigs, please, by all means share it. Otherwise I really don't know what you're talking about. I've been DJing for over twelve years and I don't have anything even approaching a tiny shred of the notoriety that plastikman does, and I'm honestly every bit as good a DJ as he is. On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2 May 2008, at 10:10, Matthew Dickinson wrote: I get what both of you are saying... but where I'm at it's REALLY frustrating that most people don't seem to have much personal taste but instead just follow the trends. It makes it hard to do something that's outside the norm or what you want to call it. Yeah, I know I'm wining a bit now, but sometimes, I get really pissed off. If it isn't Ricardo, Luciano, Richie, Sven etc. then it's just not interesting. But this has always been the case but I don't think it's as bad as it was, places like Fabric are putting on artists that wouldn't normally get a big gig and people are finding good blogs for their sources rather than just magazines. Moaning about people who like funky house or Clubland Nation 10,000 is pretty pointless IHMO. I guess we just have to work harder to switch people on to stuff. m -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) Exited, you bet!
more from http://www.deep-art.net/ also preview on their site === KENNY LARKIN Planet E, Art of Dance, USA www.myspace.com/kennylarkin http://www.myspace.com/kennylarkin NEW ALBUM KEYS, STRINGS, TAMBOURINES *PLANET E Communications* *CD/Digital * *Release Date : July 1st 2008* It's been a few years since Carl Craig's Detroit based independent label Planet E Communications has released an artist full-length and Craig hasn't chosen just any album for his label's return to releasing full lengths. This is a very special record from his fellow Detroiter, former neighbor and long-term close friend Kenny Larkin who also happens to be one of the most original producers to emerge from Detroit. Kenny Larkin's last album Funkfaker was released in France in 2004. Dropped under his Dark Comedy moniker it was much more of a deep exploration into a new kind of funk. It was a step away from his electronic roots, and a more experimental work when considered in the body of his musical work. “Keys, Strings and Tambourines” however goes back to where Larkin started - back to his days as a youngster going to The Shelter and Music Institute in Detroit. Inspiration for this album simply came from the love of electronic music says Kenny. What's clear is that the playfully titled “Keys, Strings and Tambourines” just also happens to in the creators own words - my most dance floor oriented album to date. This makes great sense right now. In terms of electronic music we are at a crossroads where people feel the need either to go Pop or feed the dance floor. Larkin manages to do the latter with fine skill but in typical Larkin and Planet E style this is no ordinary simple dance floor album. Take the first single from the album You Are which is based in part on the phenomena of The Secret - Kenny's vocal here is something that wouldn't have been featured on earlier Larkin albums prior to Funkfaker. It's a track that sees him expanding beyond the dance floor into some kind of new twisted song territory that most definitively isn't pop - it's electronic, it's Detroit, it's twisted. Perhaps he's just taking in his now very Los Angeles lifestyle (he moved there in the early '00s) which sees him hiking the Hollywood hills and spending his non-music time doing stand-up comedy and learning how to act in and shoot independent films and productions of his own and others. In April 2008, he helped produce, shoot, and act in a TV sitcom pilot also featuring Hollywood bad boy actor Tom Sizemore. “Keys, Strings and Tambourines” does reflects Larkin’s cinematic interest. It's a record with a sense of drama - pounding pulsations of dramatic energy inform many of the tracks. This is Techno with a pulse and heart that reminds us again that many of the best ideas in electronic music started right here in America and that America is still producing top-level material. Techno isn’t, as some would have you believe, only still alive and creative in Germany. Larkin's favorite track on the album is a prime example - called Glob Glob Kenny says I wrote it on my last tour in Australia in a hotel in Sydney – a very nice mental place to write music, and that song came out. I love it. Usually when an artist picks a favorite, it goes over most people's heads. I don't know why .. I associate a lot of good things with writing that song in Sydney, probably due to the success of the tour itself. Simply put the track is simply one highlight on an album full of them. “Keys, Strings and Tambourines” isn't the kind of record that it's easy to pull favorites from. It works as a total work. Discussing the rest of the album, which includes an upcoming bumping second single Bass Mode Kenny reveals that The majority of the album was written at my home in LA, but I flew to Detroit a few times to work in Carl's studio which did wonders for my inspiration. Nothing can top the type of inspiration I get from being in a proper studio environment in Detroit. I stayed in Carl's studio and worked for days!. Perhaps it's the massive club like bass bins in that Detroit studio that impacted the bass feeling on the record, or maybe it was just that Kenny was back home in the D. The town that gave him an award in 1995 as Best Techno Artist. Maybe it's just that he was away from his usual LA distractions, which include regular slots as a stand-up comedian. He says that he now spends around 40% of his time on comedy and other acting interests In LA. The other 60% is spend working on music and traveling. Right now he's also busy developing a new live show for a tour of Europe this summer. Does he consider himself a comedian who makes music or a musician who does comedy? I would like to be considered as both equally. So don't be surprised if you see this Techno man on your TV soon. Larkin prefers working on proper synthesizers, and mixing on a mixing desk with proper outboard gear. You can hear this impact the
Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
Yeah, true. If your talking about London, Berlin or other major cities for electronic music. There you have enough people into it that you can still do kind of niche things and find people who like the same stuff as you. I'm talking about Copenhagen. It's really, really hard here sometimes. Event though you try your hardest and do all the right things with regards to promotion etc. Some of the artists that have played to an empty club is pretty mindbogling, ha ha. 2008/5/2 Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 2 May 2008, at 10:10, Matthew Dickinson wrote: I get what both of you are saying... but where I'm at it's REALLY frustrating that most people don't seem to have much personal taste but instead just follow the trends. It makes it hard to do something that's outside the norm or what you want to call it. Yeah, I know I'm wining a bit now, but sometimes, I get really pissed off. If it isn't Ricardo, Luciano, Richie, Sven etc. then it's just not interesting. But this has always been the case but I don't think it's as bad as it was, places like Fabric are putting on artists that wouldn't normally get a big gig and people are finding good blogs for their sources rather than just magazines. Moaning about people who like funky house or Clubland Nation 10,000 is pretty pointless IHMO. I guess we just have to work harder to switch people on to stuff. m
Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
On 2 May 2008, at 09:50, Matt Chester wrote: I just think it's lazy to say he's good a marketing because to be honest it's not that hard to market records and do good artwork - you could ring and email all the press in about 2hrs!!! UR are just as good for example, as are Bpitch - the list is pretty endless. - Pretty easy to say when you work in the design marketing business! It's easy to do all this stuff if you are naturally pre- disposed to it and already have the necessary skills - however for some people it can be very difficult indeed. Forging contacts with press requires a particular mindset and, how shall we say, 'verbal skills', which many great artists lack. I disagree Matt, it's not hard to find a design company that will do your labels for free if you let them do what they want to and most of the press contacts are printed in the magazines, doing a two para press release isn't that taxing surely but I do take your point that some are better or more suited than others but it's not really an excuse or a reason to lay blame, is it? It's also very naive to suggest people buy the marketing idea when selecting what to purchase, people aren't stupid. - Are these the same people who seem about to elect a clown for Mayor of London? You tell me, most people take their music more seriously than voting for Boris for a laugh ;) You get what you deserve and most people moaning about it didn't even bother voting. Facetiousness aside, I think it's crazy to suggest that people aren't led by good marketing! Music buyers like every other member of the shopping public will generally take what's spoonfed to them - more discerning buyers like those on this list are pretty rare in comparison to the legion sheep out there who will go for whatever the latest trend is. I don't know anyone who buys something they don't like but you have to accept there will always be market leaders but it really shouldn't come as a shock to anyone of this list that advertising works. Do you really think the 10,000 people all nodding away druggily to Richie's sets at Sonar or wherever were there because they REALLY loved his music? It would be nice to think that the scene was some kind of meritocracy where the cream naturally rises to the top, but I think all the evidence suggests otherwise. I can't speak for them but I'll be going to see him cos I like his music and the world isn't fair - humanity, the devil I tell thee :) but why concern yourself with who's at the top and the grass is green stuff - just do your stuff and be happy. m
RE: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
That's the way it is though. Some places are good for that music, and you have to accept it. It's musical economics as it were. If you want to get noticed, go and live in a place where you will be heard. Jeff Mills is the best example of this. -Original Message- From: Matthew Dickinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 May 2008 10:27 To: Martin Dust Cc: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast Yeah, true. If your talking about London, Berlin or other major cities for electronic music. There you have enough people into it that you can still do kind of niche things and find people who like the same stuff as you. I'm talking about Copenhagen. It's really, really hard here sometimes. Event though you try your hardest and do all the right things with regards to promotion etc. Some of the artists that have played to an empty club is pretty mindbogling, ha ha. 2008/5/2 Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 2 May 2008, at 10:10, Matthew Dickinson wrote: I get what both of you are saying... but where I'm at it's REALLY frustrating that most people don't seem to have much personal taste but instead just follow the trends. It makes it hard to do something that's outside the norm or what you want to call it. Yeah, I know I'm wining a bit now, but sometimes, I get really pissed off. If it isn't Ricardo, Luciano, Richie, Sven etc. then it's just not interesting. But this has always been the case but I don't think it's as bad as it was, places like Fabric are putting on artists that wouldn't normally get a big gig and people are finding good blogs for their sources rather than just magazines. Moaning about people who like funky house or Clubland Nation 10,000 is pretty pointless IHMO. I guess we just have to work harder to switch people on to stuff. m For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
H, I'm talking more about the entire thing he's created in Berlin and his general, almost slavish, use of the newest gadget/technology. Personally I find it extremelly difficult to market, do good artwork , press etc but that's only a small part of his activities anyway. This isn't a recent thing for me, I've been of a similar opinion since about 1994! Jason naive Brunton -(you obviously haven't met a lot of the customers we have who buy Minus material or you wouldn't have made that comment :) ) 2008/5/2 Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 2 May 2008, at 09:02, Odeluga, Ken wrote: I haven't even heard the mix so I've no opinion on whether it's good or bad. However it seems fair to agree that Hawtin is very good at marketing. Whether his marketing skills outweigh his musical ones though, that's where it becomes a matter of opinion, innit? I just think it's lazy to say he's good a marketing because to be honest it's not that hard to market records and do good artwork - you could ring and email all the press in about 2hrs!!! UR are just as good for example, as are Bpitch - the list is pretty endless. People focus on the wrong thing with him and take the easy way out, it's almost become a natural habit for many. It's like listening to people bang on about how good the Orbit was, well the last two years where shocking, the line-ups were very, very poor and the crowd was the most narrow minded I've experienced - great days indeed, it's just selective memory. It's also very naive to suggest people buy the marketing idea when selecting what to purchase, people aren't stupid. m
Re: (313) Exited, you bet!
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: (313) Exited, you bet! more from http://www.deep-art.net/ also preview on their site === KENNY LARKIN Planet E, Art of Dance, USA www.myspace.com/kennylarkin http://www.myspace.com/kennylarkin NEW ALBUM KEYS, STRINGS, TAMBOURINES *PLANET E Communications* *CD/Digital * Well, I for one am most exited. Not sure where I'm leaving though. ;) Any word on whether or not there'll be wax? I got well jealous reading about him making some of the tracks in C2's studio, where you know those bass bins have got to be ridiculous. I want to have a go! Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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BERLIN HERE I COME!!! Okay Richie, it's over your SO finished. ;-) 2008/5/2 Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's the way it is though. Some places are good for that music, and you have to accept it. It's musical economics as it were. If you want to get noticed, go and live in a place where you will be heard. Jeff Mills is the best example of this. -Original Message- From: Matthew Dickinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 May 2008 10:27 To: Martin Dust Cc: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast Yeah, true. If your talking about London, Berlin or other major cities for electronic music. There you have enough people into it that you can still do kind of niche things and find people who like the same stuff as you. I'm talking about Copenhagen. It's really, really hard here sometimes. Event though you try your hardest and do all the right things with regards to promotion etc. Some of the artists that have played to an empty club is pretty mindbogling, ha ha. 2008/5/2 Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 2 May 2008, at 10:10, Matthew Dickinson wrote: I get what both of you are saying... but where I'm at it's REALLY frustrating that most people don't seem to have much personal taste but instead just follow the trends. It makes it hard to do something that's outside the norm or what you want to call it. Yeah, I know I'm wining a bit now, but sometimes, I get really pissed off. If it isn't Ricardo, Luciano, Richie, Sven etc. then it's just not interesting. But this has always been the case but I don't think it's as bad as it was, places like Fabric are putting on artists that wouldn't normally get a big gig and people are finding good blogs for their sources rather than just magazines. Moaning about people who like funky house or Clubland Nation 10,000 is pretty pointless IHMO. I guess we just have to work harder to switch people on to stuff. m For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
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After your post, i've started listening to Plastikman's discography. Of course Spastik is a forever classic, personnaly i've always loved and rated Fuse's Dimension Intrusion number one. But i forgot there are some true wonders on the following albums, e.g. how Are Friends Elektric? is pretty. (from Artifakts (BC) album). - K* - Original Message - From: Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast You know what? I am pretty sure I hate everything richie hawtin has done since the Consumed album (save the exception that proves the rule, his low blow track that he did with steve bug), but if he had never done anything but Spastik, I'd still consider him a god amongst techno men. SPASTIK FOR CHRISSAKES. You just can't beat it.
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Heh, heh, you're in the minority here Martin. I'm looking at your post like most on here and thinking (in my case) if it's a snip to do some artwork and you can handle all the press in 2 hours for a major release how come it takes up my entire life for 2 months before hand just to do the same for a small party in Manchester that only 200 peepz will come to and I still don't do a good job of it?. I think maybe you have a natural talent there and it comes sooo much harder for the rest of us. @ Greg: you were right it was an easy way to start an argument From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 May 2008 09:19 I just think it's lazy to say he's good a marketing because to be honest it's not that hard to market records and do good artwork - you could ring and email all the press in about 2hrs!!! UR are just as good for example, as are Bpitch - the list is pretty endless.
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On 2 May 2008, at 10:30, Toby Frith wrote: That's the way it is though. Some places are good for that music, and you have to accept it. It's musical economics as it were. If you want to get noticed, go and live in a place where you will be heard. Jeff Mills is the best example of this. The downside being everyone in Berlin is now a DJ/Artist/Designer - I don't think its that easy out there but it is certainly a lot cheaper.
(313) Claro Intelecto in Manchester tonight
http://www.futuresonic.com/08/music/clarointelecto anyone going? I am.
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On 2 May 2008, at 10:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H, I'm talking more about the entire thing he's created in Berlin and his general, almost slavish, use of the newest gadget/technology. Nah, Bowie and Eno did that stuff years before him, so he likes technology it's not really a big shocker, is it? Bjork has had loads of focus for it, it doesn't write the tunes tho as her new album testifies. I don't pick up on this slavish thing Jason to be honest but I do share a love for toys and have been torturing myself for months over the iPhone. Personally I find it extremelly difficult to market, do good artwork , press etc but that's only a small part of his activities anyway. This isn't a recent thing for me, I've been of a similar opinion since about 1994! Fair enough but at the end of the day good music wins thru, regardless of all the fluff. Jason naive Brunton -(you obviously haven't met a lot of the customers we have who buy Minus material or you wouldn't have made that comment :) ) The naive comment wasn't aimed at anyone, but I stand by it tho and yeah I buy Minus, I don't have a small beard, scarf or dress in bright colours :) God I feel like I'm confessing to something dirty! m PS. Have you seen your picture in DJ mag this month?
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Jason I can't reply to you off list as I get this error: 550 Sender verify failed But I still disagree and I like the photo and write up. m
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On 2 May 2008, at 11:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh, heh, you're in the minority here Martin. I guess so :) I'm looking at your post like most on here and thinking (in my case) if it's a snip to do some artwork and you can handle all the press in 2 hours for a major release how come it takes up my entire life for 2 months before hand just to do the same for a small party in Manchester that only 200 peepz will come to and I still don't do a good job of it?. Yeah, I agree it does sound a bit twatish of me :( But I think if you find the right people to work with it will ease your load. We do design work for nothing as long as we get to do what we want, as do the Designers Republic, Human, Ded and loads of others in Sheffield. But PR wise there really isn't that man people to contact, pounding the streets with flyers for a club night is a completely different matter tho. I think maybe you have a natural talent there and it comes sooo much harder for the rest of us. Yeah, I've always had a big mouth *LOL* m
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If Hawtin had gone down the route of someone like Carl Cox or Paul van Dyk, then I would say that the vitriol directed at him would be worthwhile. The fact is that whilst his DJ sets are pretty dull, they're still, to someone who doesn't know the music at all, rather unusual and weird. To the trained ear of the 313 list members and others, yes, it's all a bit directionless, but it's still abstract. The fact that he can pack out big festivals and clubs is interesting - and ultimately I feel that there's still enough credit being paid, by proxy, to those who made this music at the same time. People getting into Hawtin will see his discography (that goes back a long way) and explore from there. It's easy to dismiss the whole minimal scene because it's laced with the unfortunate fashionista tag, but ultimately that's where the kinetic energy of dance music is right now. And those who are really interested in the music and its history will get into what inspired it. Basic Channel are utterly revered now, and you see Hood now getting the credit he deserves. It takes time. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 May 2008 11:23 To: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast On 2 May 2008, at 10:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H, I'm talking more about the entire thing he's created in Berlin and his general, almost slavish, use of the newest gadget/technology. Nah, Bowie and Eno did that stuff years before him, so he likes technology it's not really a big shocker, is it? Bjork has had loads of focus for it, it doesn't write the tunes tho as her new album testifies. I don't pick up on this slavish thing Jason to be honest but I do share a love for toys and have been torturing myself for months over the iPhone. Personally I find it extremelly difficult to market, do good artwork , press etc but that's only a small part of his activities anyway. This isn't a recent thing for me, I've been of a similar opinion since about 1994! Fair enough but at the end of the day good music wins thru, regardless of all the fluff. Jason naive Brunton -(you obviously haven't met a lot of the customers we have who buy Minus material or you wouldn't have made that comment :) ) The naive comment wasn't aimed at anyone, but I stand by it tho and yeah I buy Minus, I don't have a small beard, scarf or dress in bright colours :) God I feel like I'm confessing to something dirty! m PS. Have you seen your picture in DJ mag this month? For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
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Hey, I have a couple of Minus recs as well. There's a False one which is very good. But dear god, SO much of it is pure shite. Sorry, but it is. 2008/5/2 Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 2 May 2008, at 10:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H, I'm talking more about the entire thing he's created in Berlin and his general, almost slavish, use of the newest gadget/technology. Nah, Bowie and Eno did that stuff years before him, so he likes technology it's not really a big shocker, is it? Bjork has had loads of focus for it, it doesn't write the tunes tho as her new album testifies. I don't pick up on this slavish thing Jason to be honest but I do share a love for toys and have been torturing myself for months over the iPhone. Personally I find it extremelly difficult to market, do good artwork , press etc but that's only a small part of his activities anyway. This isn't a recent thing for me, I've been of a similar opinion since about 1994! Fair enough but at the end of the day good music wins thru, regardless of all the fluff. Jason naive Brunton -(you obviously haven't met a lot of the customers we have who buy Minus material or you wouldn't have made that comment :) ) The naive comment wasn't aimed at anyone, but I stand by it tho and yeah I buy Minus, I don't have a small beard, scarf or dress in bright colours :) God I feel like I'm confessing to something dirty! m PS. Have you seen your picture in DJ mag this month?
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Great post Toby! Bang on. 2008/5/2 Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If Hawtin had gone down the route of someone like Carl Cox or Paul van Dyk, then I would say that the vitriol directed at him would be worthwhile. The fact is that whilst his DJ sets are pretty dull, they're still, to someone who doesn't know the music at all, rather unusual and weird. To the trained ear of the 313 list members and others, yes, it's all a bit directionless, but it's still abstract. The fact that he can pack out big festivals and clubs is interesting - and ultimately I feel that there's still enough credit being paid, by proxy, to those who made this music at the same time. People getting into Hawtin will see his discography (that goes back a long way) and explore from there. It's easy to dismiss the whole minimal scene because it's laced with the unfortunate fashionista tag, but ultimately that's where the kinetic energy of dance music is right now. And those who are really interested in the music and its history will get into what inspired it. Basic Channel are utterly revered now, and you see Hood now getting the credit he deserves. It takes time. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 May 2008 11:23 To: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast On 2 May 2008, at 10:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H, I'm talking more about the entire thing he's created in Berlin and his general, almost slavish, use of the newest gadget/technology. Nah, Bowie and Eno did that stuff years before him, so he likes technology it's not really a big shocker, is it? Bjork has had loads of focus for it, it doesn't write the tunes tho as her new album testifies. I don't pick up on this slavish thing Jason to be honest but I do share a love for toys and have been torturing myself for months over the iPhone. Personally I find it extremelly difficult to market, do good artwork , press etc but that's only a small part of his activities anyway. This isn't a recent thing for me, I've been of a similar opinion since about 1994! Fair enough but at the end of the day good music wins thru, regardless of all the fluff. Jason naive Brunton -(you obviously haven't met a lot of the customers we have who buy Minus material or you wouldn't have made that comment :) ) The naive comment wasn't aimed at anyone, but I stand by it tho and yeah I buy Minus, I don't have a small beard, scarf or dress in bright colours :) God I feel like I'm confessing to something dirty! m PS. Have you seen your picture in DJ mag this month? For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
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Haha there's a word I don't use because a woman I respect told me it was disrespectful to women. But every time I see it it cracks me up. Especially since 'twatting' is apparently a slang term for a good ol Amy Winehouse headbutt. On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I agree it does sound a bit twatish of me : But more on point -- while Dust Science may make marketing look easy, it is quite difficult. First record I released I spent considerable time sending copies of the records with a 2 sheet to every magazine I could think of, followed up by e-mails to review contacts, and I got zero reviews, and sold 350 records out of a 500 record pressing. The next one I released I blew off marketing entirely except sending white labels to DJs I knew who I knew would at least listen to it. I sold 350 records out of a 500 record run. And the second record was played all over, including by Ben Sims to huge festival crowds. Go figure. So go figure. Of course I'm ... me, and Richie is Richie, and he was in the right place at the right time, and Amir Daza took a liking to him, and he had Dan Bell to get all his good ideas from *duck* I honestly begrudge him nothing... no really.
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Americans pronounce it all funny - like it rhymes with snot Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 May 2008 13:48 To: Martin Dust Cc: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast Haha there's a word I don't use because a woman I respect told me it was disrespectful to women. But every time I see it it cracks me up. Especially since 'twatting' is apparently a slang term for a good ol Amy Winehouse headbutt. On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I agree it does sound a bit twatish of me : But more on point -- while Dust Science may make marketing look easy, it is quite difficult. First record I released I spent considerable time sending copies of the records with a 2 sheet to every magazine I could think of, followed up by e-mails to review contacts, and I got zero reviews, and sold 350 records out of a 500 record pressing. The next one I released I blew off marketing entirely except sending white labels to DJs I knew who I knew would at least listen to it. I sold 350 records out of a 500 record run. And the second record was played all over, including by Ben Sims to huge festival crowds. Go figure. So go figure. Of course I'm ... me, and Richie is Richie, and he was in the right place at the right time, and Amir Daza took a liking to him, and he had Dan Bell to get all his good ideas from *duck* I honestly begrudge him nothing... no really. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
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- Original Message - From: KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Three-One-Three 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast After your post, i've started listening to Plastikman's discography. Of course Spastik is a forever classic, personnaly i've always loved and rated Fuse's Dimension Intrusion number one. But i forgot there are some true wonders on the following albums, e.g. how Are Friends Elektric? is pretty. (from Artifakts (BC) album). I only just picked up the 12 for I Don't Know, off Closer, after first hearing it in one of Placid's mixes. It's pretty wicked. Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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how are we going to stir (313) into a hornet's nest? Just mention Richie :) LOL - that was too easy. MEK
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-Original Message- From: KiDD*e [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:19 AM To: Three-One-Three Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast After your post, i've started listening to Plastikman's discography. Of course Spastik is a forever classic, personnaly i've always loved and rated Fuse's Dimension Intrusion number one. But i forgot there are some true wonders on the following albums, e.g. how Are Friends Elektric? is pretty. (from Artifakts (BC) album). - K* *** Agreed on this KiDD*e. This gives me what might be a more positive, and revealing idea than to tear strips off what we don't like about RH. How about if we list some of the things he's done, under any moniker, which we do like? Tristan mentioned the 'I Don't Know' 12 In my case: I like the whole 'Closer' LP plus: Consumed Dimension Intrusion Artifakts Sheet One still hypnotised by the Krakpot 12 Still reach back for From My Our Minds To Yours Got into DE9 musically about 3 years after buying it and appreciating it's technological prowess immediately Then there's Spastik This: http://www.discogs.com/release/75030 And his mix on this! http://www.discogs.com/release/29578 The fact is, I could go on. Now that's quite a list and quite a lot from a self-confessed Richie-baiter like me! The fact that a large swathe of projects he has either promoted or actually produced have been pants (imo) doesn't take away from his talent in making modern electronic music. Having talent in 'MEM' is not the same as what 'musical talent' might have meant up till about the latter part of the 20th Century, perhaps. But there's no doubt that he's got it. Much as I'm somewhat irritated by his near-omnipresence in our world and the naffness of a lot of m_nus records, I have to give credit where it's due. Anybody else? Ken - Original Message - From: Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast You know what? I am pretty sure I hate everything richie hawtin has done since the Consumed album (save the exception that proves the rule, his low blow track that he did with steve bug), but if he had never done anything but Spastik, I'd still consider him a god amongst techno men. SPASTIK FOR CHRISSAKES. You just can't beat it.
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On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then there's Spastik This: http://www.discogs.com/release/75030 I am so sick of Spastik. I never liked it to begin with! Orange, however, I have dug since the first DE9 came out. -- matt kane's brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hydrogenproject.com http://wzbc.org AIM: mkbatwerk
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I haven't heard the mix, but he seemed really cool when I met him at 13 Below. He actually thanked us nameless patrons for coming out. I will say that his recent recorded mixes (ie most recent DE909) seem to have lost the human touch he used to have in his sets (ie Power 96 mix or that MixMag mix). He seemed a little more willing to switch it up a bit and keep it aggressive. Occassionally, I will DL a live mix from some festival and those mixes are much better than anything from his studio because they tend not to be the current Top 20 Beatport MNML downloads and contain older type tracks mixed with some new ones. - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 2, 2008 2:02:05 AM Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast Yeah me too- he seems like a decent guy in the flesh but to me his main strength is in marketing, not music. 2008/5/2 kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yeah, I listened to it at work. I always try and give Mr. Hawtin a chance, since the one time I met him he was quite nice to me, and seemed like an intelligent guy. But... it doesn't really make me bust a grin, which a good mix will. It was OK, but I listened at work and it turned into sonic wallpaper. I kind of like the last Decksfx CD but had the same impression -- it's great background music for computer programming -- Dilbert Techno. There's a place for that, but I think I wouldn't much like to see him play out if that's the way he mixes. Give me some variation and drama! On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that Tom is too busy writing Model 500 articles for Resident Advisor, how are we going to stir (313) into a hornet's nest? Just mention Richie :) http://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?id=100 Direct iTunes Music Store Podcast link: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=129673441 This direct link might work, if you have an RA account: http://ra2.residentadvisor.net/audio/RA100_080428_Richie-Hawtin-residentadvisor.net.mp3 - Greg
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No more Richie Hawtin hate! LOL, good idea. Anyway, I've never been a big fan so there's probably some gems I haven't heard. But that said, I've always loved 'Plasticine' from Sheet One. 11 minutes acidic trip goodness. Or is it 'Plasticity'? Damn, can't remember. Oh well, the track in question is awesome. Matt -Original Message- From: Joel Gajewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2008-05-02 17:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast I haven't heard the mix, but he seemed really cool when I met him at 13 Below. He actually thanked us nameless patrons for coming out. I will say that his recent recorded mixes (ie most recent DE909) seem to have lost the human touch he used to have in his sets (ie Power 96 mix or that MixMag mix). He seemed a little more willing to switch it up a bit and keep it aggressive. Occassionally, I will DL a live mix from some festival and those mixes are much better than anything from his studio because they tend not to be the current Top 20 Beatport MNML downloads and contain older type tracks mixed with some new ones. - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 2, 2008 2:02:05 AM Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast Yeah me too- he seems like a decent guy in the flesh but to me his main strength is in marketing, not music. 2008/5/2 kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yeah, I listened to it at work. I always try and give Mr. Hawtin a chance, since the one time I met him he was quite nice to me, and seemed like an intelligent guy. But... it doesn't really make me bust a grin, which a good mix will. It was OK, but I listened at work and it turned into sonic wallpaper. I kind of like the last Decksfx CD but had the same impression -- it's great background music for computer programming -- Dilbert Techno. There's a place for that, but I think I wouldn't much like to see him play out if that's the way he mixes. Give me some variation and drama! On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that Tom is too busy writing Model 500 articles for Resident Advisor, how are we going to stir (313) into a hornet's nest? Just mention Richie :) http://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?id=100 Direct iTunes Music Store Podcast link: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=129673441 This direct link might work, if you have an RA account: http://ra2.residentadvisor.net/audio/RA100_080428_Richie-Hawtin-residentadvi sor.net.mp3 - Greg
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I didn't read all the posts in this thread, sorry about that, but anyone mentioned Elements of Tone from States of Mind already? This track is a killer, and it's one of my favorite techno tunes of all time, although i don't dig everything Hawtin did. Kw On 02/05/2008, at 12:00, Odeluga, Ken wrote: -Original Message- From: KiDD*e [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:19 AM To: Three-One-Three Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast After your post, i've started listening to Plastikman's discography. Of course Spastik is a forever classic, personnaly i've always loved and rated Fuse's Dimension Intrusion number one. But i forgot there are some true wonders on the following albums, e.g. how Are Friends Elektric? is pretty. (from Artifakts (BC) album). - K* *** Agreed on this KiDD*e. This gives me what might be a more positive, and revealing idea than to tear strips off what we don't like about RH. How about if we list some of the things he's done, under any moniker, which we do like? Tristan mentioned the 'I Don't Know' 12 In my case: I like the whole 'Closer' LP plus: Consumed Dimension Intrusion Artifakts Sheet One still hypnotised by the Krakpot 12 Still reach back for From My Our Minds To Yours Got into DE9 musically about 3 years after buying it and appreciating it's technological prowess immediately Then there's Spastik This: http://www.discogs.com/release/75030 And his mix on this! http://www.discogs.com/release/29578 The fact is, I could go on. Now that's quite a list and quite a lot from a self-confessed Richie-baiter like me! The fact that a large swathe of projects he has either promoted or actually produced have been pants (imo) doesn't take away from his talent in making modern electronic music. Having talent in 'MEM' is not the same as what 'musical talent' might have meant up till about the latter part of the 20th Century, perhaps. But there's no doubt that he's got it. Much as I'm somewhat irritated by his near-omnipresence in our world and the naffness of a lot of m_nus records, I have to give credit where it's due. Anybody else? Ken - Original Message - From: Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast You know what? I am pretty sure I hate everything richie hawtin has done since the Consumed album (save the exception that proves the rule, his low blow track that he did with steve bug), but if he had never done anything but Spastik, I'd still consider him a god amongst techno men. SPASTIK FOR CHRISSAKES. You just can't beat it.
RE: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
-Original Message- From: Matthew Dickinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 May 2008 16:22 To: 'Joel Gajewski'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast No more Richie Hawtin hate! LOL, good idea. Anyway, I've never been a big fan so there's probably some gems I haven't heard. But that said, I've always loved 'Plasticine' from Sheet One. 11 minutes acidic trip goodness. Or is it 'Plasticity'? Damn, can't remember. Oh well, the track in question is awesome. They're two very similar tracks. Distinct versions of the same song maybe. I always get them confused. Wicked, whichever one is the better of the two though. ;) Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I own richies old dat machine...dbx gave it to me...richie is who he is, and is the steve jobs of techno. do I like his stuff? No...eon's void dweller album made better use of the outer limits samples than sheet one didand a year earlier at that. Who is Richie? Currently an arbiter of style and tastemaker for the uninitiated. Techno is quickly becoming a game without a perceived past because of this. Oh, btw, anyone wish to market me? I need help with that-if it's easy, let's be on to it! Cheers, fbk On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Matthew Dickinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 May 2008 16:22 To: 'Joel Gajewski'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast No more Richie Hawtin hate! LOL, good idea. Anyway, I've never been a big fan so there's probably some gems I haven't heard. But that said, I've always loved 'Plasticine' from Sheet One. 11 minutes acidic trip goodness. Or is it 'Plasticity'? Damn, can't remember. Oh well, the track in question is awesome. They're two very similar tracks. Distinct versions of the same song maybe. I always get them confused. Wicked, whichever one is the better of the two though. ;) Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fbk sleepengineering/absoloop US
Re: (313) Model 500 interview
About time we got an update from Model Five-Zero-Zero! (600 just doesn't do it for me ;) On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:00 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Juan: Starting probably this month we're going to start recording, start working on some new stuff, a new album to be released on Metroplex. Makes me want to shout rude words in the office whilst smiling and doing cartwheels :) -Original Message- From: Wojtek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 6:47 PM To: 313 Subject: (313) Model 500 interview http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature-read.aspx?id=907 -- -- Southern Outpost Sydney - San Francisco - Berlin http://www.southernoutpost.com --
(313) new Der Zyklus
Sounding nice: http://www.rubadub.co.uk/?node_id=1.3id=22333 Andrew -- Andrew Duke--sound design/recording/composition/production courses: http://andrew-duke.com/course.html Andrew Duke--Chain Reaction downloadable sound FX samplepack: http://www.audiobase.com/product/SACR Andrew Duke--Consumer vs. User album: http://www.phthalo.com/cat.php?cat=phth40 Andrew Duke--columns/features/commentaries/more: http://cognitionaudioworks.com/read.html http://linkedin.com/in/AndrewDukeCognitionAudioworks http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew_Duke/852160229 http://myspace.com/AndrewDuke http://myspace.com/CognitionAudioworks
(313) speaking of electro Convextion...
...features a new track in that vein: http://www.rubadub.co.uk/?node_id=1.3id=22307 Andrew -- Andrew Duke--sound design/recording/composition/production courses: http://andrew-duke.com/course.html Andrew Duke--Chain Reaction downloadable sound FX samplepack: http://www.audiobase.com/product/SACR Andrew Duke--Consumer vs. User album: http://www.phthalo.com/cat.php?cat=phth40 Andrew Duke--columns/features/commentaries/more: http://cognitionaudioworks.com/read.html http://linkedin.com/in/AndrewDukeCognitionAudioworks http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew_Duke/852160229 http://myspace.com/AndrewDuke http://myspace.com/CognitionAudioworks
Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast
777 - alpha wave (plastikmans acid house mix) 3 - Original Message - From: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Matthew Dickinson' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Joel Gajewski' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: RE: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast -Original Message- From: Matthew Dickinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 May 2008 16:22 To: 'Joel Gajewski'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie Hawtin RA Podcast No more Richie Hawtin hate! LOL, good idea. Anyway, I've never been a big fan so there's probably some gems I haven't heard. But that said, I've always loved 'Plasticine' from Sheet One. 11 minutes acidic trip goodness. Or is it 'Plasticity'? Damn, can't remember. Oh well, the track in question is awesome. They're two very similar tracks. Distinct versions of the same song maybe. I always get them confused. Wicked, whichever one is the better of the two though. ;) Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) Reference track
Hi I know this isn't a production list, but I was wondering what 313'ers would pick as a reference track for tuning a sound system, studio, and comparing their own mix balance against? What do you think the ideal techno reference track is? S Simon Swain http://Obscure.co.nz +61 418 30 20 20
Re: (313) Reference track
Simon Swain wrote: Hi I know this isn't a production list, but I was wondering what 313'ers would pick as a reference track for tuning a sound system, studio, and comparing their own mix balance against? What do you think the ideal techno reference track is? Well, it's not detroit, but LFO by LFO might be a good one. Andrew -- Andrew Duke--sound design/recording/composition/production courses: http://andrew-duke.com/course.html Andrew Duke--Chain Reaction downloadable sound FX samplepack: http://www.audiobase.com/product/SACR Andrew Duke--Consumer vs. User album: http://www.phthalo.com/cat.php?cat=phth40 Andrew Duke--columns/features/commentaries/more: http://cognitionaudioworks.com/read.html http://linkedin.com/in/AndrewDukeCognitionAudioworks http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew_Duke/852160229 http://myspace.com/AndrewDuke http://myspace.com/CognitionAudioworks
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Yeah I was going to try to make say an 8 track cd to use. Wanted to get some different inputs What you say is the idea though, that and to A/B my own tracks with. S Simon Swain http://Obscure.co.nz +61 418 30 20 20 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 20:55:20 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Reference track That's a really interesting question. My answer is that it would differ from person to person, I'd say pick a few different tracks that sound different from each other and with which you are quite familiar, then make them all sound their best on the system and you should be golden. No? m At 20:06 2008.05.02, you wrote: Hi I know this isn't a production list, but I was wondering what 313'ers would pick as a reference track for tuning a sound system, studio, and comparing their own mix balance against? What do you think the ideal techno reference track is? S Simon Swain http://Obscure.co.nz +61 418 30 20 20
Re: (313) Reference track
I think the Tuss album is actually pretty valuable in terms of frequencies all over the place and pristine recording and mastering. On 5/2/08, Simon Swain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah I was going to try to make say an 8 track cd to use. Wanted to get some different inputs What you say is the idea though, that and to A/B my own tracks with. S Simon Swain http://Obscure.co.nz +61 418 30 20 20 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 20:55:20 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Reference track That's a really interesting question. My answer is that it would differ from person to person, I'd say pick a few different tracks that sound different from each other and with which you are quite familiar, then make them all sound their best on the system and you should be golden. No? m At 20:06 2008.05.02, you wrote: Hi I know this isn't a production list, but I was wondering what 313'ers would pick as a reference track for tuning a sound system, studio, and comparing their own mix balance against? What do you think the ideal techno reference track is? S Simon Swain http://Obscure.co.nz +61 418 30 20 20 -- --- Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.planerecordings.com New York, NY
Re: (313) Reference track
I would strongly recommend that you not really worry about that sort of thing. It's not important. On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Simon Swain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I know this isn't a production list, but I was wondering what 313'ers would pick as a reference track for tuning a sound system, studio, and comparing their own mix balance against? What do you think the ideal techno reference track is? S Simon Swain http://Obscure.co.nz +61 418 30 20 20 -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
(313) etc radio on now
Will be playing music on http://www.wnur.org/ 89.3 FM Chicago for the next 5 hours (till 02:30 CST) Most recent mix: etc : 2008.04.25fr 23:30 CST 3hours : WNUR http://www.wnur.org/ recording at: http://m50.net/streamed/2008.04.25(128).ra http://m50.net/streamed/2008.04.25(128).mp3 m50... Benjamin Brunn : 2 I Am 2 : [unreleased] Dave : Sunrise : [untitled] : Raum...musik Impulse : One-Six-Four-One-Seven (Numbers Rammed Down My Ear Mix by Autechre) : Wall Of Pressure : !K7 Helen Money : Block : [untitled] : Cellobird Sickoakes : Wedding Rings Bullets in the Same Golden Shrine (Part I) : Seawards : Type Portishead : Machine Gun : Machine Gun : Chrysalis Frank Bretschneider : We Can Remember It For You Wholesale : Rhythm : Raster-Norton Anders Ilar : Unconditional Surrender : The Cold In Between : [unreleased] Let's Go Outside : You Make Me Struggle (Area Mx FTW) : [unreleased] Trike : Vision: Grün : Nachtvisionen : BPitch Control Robag Wruhme : Minatsmoten : Jena Makks EP : Milnormodern Dario Zenker : Womde! : Sam Und Er : Vakant Munk : Disco Clown : Aperitivo : Gomma Joel Mull : Begun The End Has (Mathew Jonson Tiger Rmx) : The End Has Begun : Railyard Kiki : Joko Tai : Joko Tai : BPitch Control Move D Benjamin Brunn : Honey : Honey : Smallville Kaito : Beautiful Day : Beautiful Day : Kompakt Ellen Allien : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Last Kiss '99 : Bpitch Control Sven Weisemann : Floatation Verb : Simplicity Is The Key : Smallfish Plant43 : Bronfraith : Grey Sky Cracks : Ai Matt John : Olga Dancekowski : Trampolin : BAR25 LFO : Kombat Drinking : Advance : WARP Echospace : Abraxas : The Coldest Season Pt3 : Modern Love Polaris Pulsations : Cable : [split] : Fenou Mike Dot : Eiderdown : Eiderdown EP : Sub.static Radiohead : Nude (Microfilm Remix) : [unreleased] Fenin featuring Gorbi : Colourfields : Been Through : Shitkatapult David Holmes : Gritty Shaker : Oceans 11 Sampler : Warner Bruno Pronsato : Why Can't We Be Like Us : Hello? Repeat Area : Cellicos : [unreleased] Area : Doesn't Matter : [unreleased] Exos : Gegnum Skráargat : Q-Box : Thule
