Re: [313] micro house
Yair Etziony wrote: > > it was not realsed on force tracks but on steve bug`s fine label -pokerflat. > this is a massive tune, also worth check on that label steve bug-a night > like this That one's definitely worth checking. There's also a remix EP of it with mixes from Richie Hawtin (deep and groovy, Closer-To-The-Edit-style) and Octave One in their trademarked 430West-style. Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] micro house
Yair Etziony wrote: > > it was not realsed on force tracks but on steve bug`s fine label -pokerflat. > this is a massive tune, also worth check on that label steve bug-a night > like this That one's definitely worth checking. There's also a remix EP of it with mixes from Richie Hawtin (deep and groovy, Closer-To-The-Edit-style) and Octave One in their trademarked 430West-style. Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] re: micro house
Tom Churchill wrote: > > Luomo's Vocalcity (Force Tracks) is my essential 'micro house' pick :) > Sublime... Yes! And 'Tessio' could've easily been Round One-And-A-Half on Mainstreet (although it would face stiff competition from Sunday Brunch's "Things you said" on Svek, but that's a different matter). I've heard that there are remixes of 'Tessio' as well, can anyone comment on those? Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] re: micro house
Tom Churchill wrote: > > Luomo's Vocalcity (Force Tracks) is my essential 'micro house' pick :) > Sublime... Yes! And 'Tessio' could've easily been Round One-And-A-Half on Mainstreet (although it would face stiff competition from Sunday Brunch's "Things you said" on Svek, but that's a different matter). I've heard that there are remixes of 'Tessio' as well, can anyone comment on those? Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ADULT. live show
atomly wrote: > [Fixer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > prices are very cheap for european flights right now...Cork to Glasgow > > for about £25 each leg with no advance notice...techno tourists, engage... > > Chicago-> Amsterdam $219 > Amsterdam -> Brussels $90 The Amsterdam-Brussels leg is better done by train: it's cheaper and faster if you factor in transfer and waiting times at the airports. (more info: http://nsr.ns.nl/reisplan2a.asp or http://www.thalys.com/uk/ind_uk.htm) Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] up next !
Majesty12 wrote about the Carl Craig mixes of Adult's 'Hand to Phone' on Clone: > Nice. I'm really into hearing that for real. I still play the original track > quite a bit. When is it coming out? Early to mid-October. For more info: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be included on their mailing list. Cheers, Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Kenny Larkin
Jonny McIntosh wrote: > I know this was asked in the last 6 months or so, but any news on what Kenny > Larkin is up to? There were rumours, if I recall, that he's given up on > music for his comedy. And other rumours that an LP was imminent. He DJed in the Netherlands a few times recently, the last time less than a month ago (he opened his set with Arne Weinberg - "Snowflake", yay!), so I don't think he's given up on music. Otto PS I think his new album will be released together with Derrick May's new one. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] magda haters in the house?
Kent williams wrote: > I was at Motor once when Magda played but I was more into Bill Van Loo in > the study, so I don't have an opinion about her skills. The mix-cd that she did around DEMF this year has been in fairly frequent rotation ever since. I wish more people would spin that Playhouse/Klang/Perlon-style of house. At DEMF 2000 she spun at the 7th City together with Derek Plaslaiko downstairs, which I enjoyed at least as much as the upstairs area where Shake and John Tejada were spinning very good sets too. Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Please Elaborate Was DJ Magda
Joel Fernandez wrote: > I'd like to turn this thread into an openining DJ who played better than the > headliner thread:-) April 2000: DJ Estroe upstaging Jeff Mills at the Melkweg, Amsterdam. I still remember the incredulous look on Greg Earle's face as he said what the rest of us thought: "Did I just like her set better than Mills'?" :) Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] WTC ET AL
Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: > In the wake of this tragedy, I've already seen implicit and explicit > newscoverage blaming Palestine, and Palestinians for the tragic event. > NBC cameras have gone to the West Bank showing cheering children. Brokaw > has called this "a declaration of war." Not to mention already one Congressman attempting (after less than 4 hours!) to get some political gain by blaming the US Government for not protecting its citizens enough. And people wonder why I despise politicians... Otto, still watching in disbelief - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] racist list trash (mike taylor)
James Michael Bishop wrote: > yeah thats right. how often do we need to here the racist crap from mike? who > care who he is or where he stands. i respect everyone 100% on this list accept > 1 person mike taylor when he brings up his racist comments for every > situation. > maybe its cause i am white and could never make a track he would listen to or > maybe even like. i think i a desciminated against, apparantly my DNA does not > allow me to be in the hip crowd because whenever us whities come around it all > goes to hell. > > please dont respond, leave it at that. a good hint to mike to chill out. That's a bit rich, isn't it? First accuse someone of racism, then deny him the right to respond. I'm sure that Mike Taylor can defend himself better than I can, but I am not going to leave such an accusation of a friend unchallenged. First of all, Mike is white, so for him to have a racist, anti-white stance would be a bit odd. What he does have, is a very sharp eye for the racial issues that go along with with the music industry and club scene. While the cynical way in which he sometimes addresses these issues may not be to everyone's tastes, it does make people open their eyes and think, especially since more often than not he is spot on. You may close your eyes and ears and pretend that everything's cool (and on an individual level they may very well be), but you need to acknowledge the issues before you can solve them. Ignorance doesn't make them go away. I am glad that there are people like Mike who continue to battle this ignorance. Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Track ID Please?!!
Christian Bloch wrote: > i really need to know this too, it's driving me crazy not to be able to > remember the name of this one Paul: > > Can someone Identify this track for me??! Please dont make fun of me, > > as it's an old one I probably should know... > > http://www.paxahau.com/sounds/2001/iapril/04-21-01_kennylarkin_motor.ram > > > > The track is 35:53 into the file Fix - 'Flash' on KMS. And speaking of Orlando Voorn, he was recently listed on the DJ lineup of a new r&b club opening in The Hague here in the Netherlands. I knew he was a musical omnivore, but that was still a bit of a surprise. I don't know if he just spins it or also produces it, but it'd certainly be interesting to hear his take on r&b. Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Random Noise Generation @ Lowlands
For those that were as amazed as I was with Random Noise Generation's liveset at the Lowlands festival last Sunday: the last track of their set was 'Systemized' off of their 'Instrument of Change' EP (4w-305). A jaw-dropping end to a fantastic liveset. They also played a gorgeous slow track that's going to be on their new album 'Reign'. Can't wait for that one! Otto PS As a long-ish sidenote: although they finally got it right for the RNG liveset, unfortunately the sound in the festival tent was screwed up most of the night, which did not do justice to the Chaos liveset and the Namowan and first Octave One DJ sets. Maybe liveacts (and perhaps even DJs) should be taking their own sound engineer with them to festivals, just like rock bands, instead of relying on the regular festival sound engineer? There's just too much differences between dance music and rock music to expect one engineer to be able to do both and I doubt there are enough specialist dance music sound engineers right now. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] It's no coincidence you know
http://www.garfield.com/comics/classics/ga901231.html Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] re: flux / UR - Vauxhall!
Toby Frith wrote: > someone on the Overload board commented that the Manchester event has been > pulled as the promoter is unable to pay for the acts. That's true, they're not doing Manchester. They are still doing the Lowlands festival in the Netherlands on Sunday though. I forgot to ask about the London gig, sorry, I presume that's still a go though?. (this info came straight from the source) Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Ground Zero 003 launch party Sat. 25-8
The first copies of Ground Zero 003: Arne Weinberg - "Snowflake" have arrived, which is a good reason to throw a little party this Saturday from 22.00-06.00 in Rotterdam. Lineup: - Arne Weinberg (D) - Rob Webb (UK) - Dr. O (NL) - Elcasa (NL) Venue: Bootleg DJ Cafe Mauritsweg 33 Rotterdam The Netherlands http://www.bootlegdjcafe.com entrance fee = null, nix, zip, zilch, nada Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Essential Jeff Mills?
Joe Szczepanek wrote: > So in other words, are there any essential Jeff Mills releases I should be > aware of? Generally I consider pretty much everything on his Axis label essential, the Purpose Maker label is a bit more hit and miss IMO. Some specific recommendations: from Axis, I'd go for the Humana EP, the Growth EP and the Purpose Maker EP (and if by any chance there's a copy of Robert Hood's Minimal Nation in there, buy on sight as well). From Purpose Maker, my favourites are the Casa, Kat Moda and If EPs. Happy hunting! Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] rotterdam's duplex - heroes of detroit?!!!!
sound wrote: > well, my favorite track on that Duplex EP5 would be 'motion blur'. if you > like the sound of that track, too > i'd recommend 'influence' by Electronome (HM-1202). Oh yeah! Absolutely great shivers-down-your-spine track, definitely in my all-time Lowlands top ten. For those that have I-f's Mixed Up In The Hague CD, it's the track before the last one. > last i knew it was still > in print but if you can't find it around i'm sure klen at clone could > probably hook you up. Contact www.clone.nl / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] 2030????
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > what is being "offered up" here about 2030 is negativity, sarcasm and > hostility. let people do their thing. if you don't like it, then > don't go. there's no need to openly criticize it, and those who > support it, on a public message board. Why not? Why would positive posts about something (be it a party or a release or whatever) be more appropriate for a public forum than negative ones? If the people behind a party or a record read a *constructive* negative review, they should respect that opinion. If they can't take criticism, they shouldn't have stuck their heads out in the first place, it simply comes with the territory. And moreover, how can you improve if no one tells you what to improve? There can be a million reasons why a party can be bad in someone's opinion: bad soundsystem, DJ playing good records but trainwrecking all the time or vice versa, too many people, too little people, long queue for the door, coatcheck a mess, etc. etc. Same with a record: it can have a drum roll in there, it may lack a drum roll, it may only be a one-sided EP, the track may be very minimal or it may be very full and layered, the sound is too smooth, the sound is too abrasive, etc. etc. IMO the key thing about negative opinions is that you *have* to back them up. Saying that something is bad without saying what makes it bad (in your opinion) is not particularly useful for others, who are left to wonder why it bad and hence how to interpret that post. Positive and negative reviews in a forum like this are necessary, because how can you say what is good if you can't say what is *not* good? You need to know the standards by which things are judged to be good and be aware that these standards differ per person. That's for instance why when certain people on this list review records, I can almost blindly buy their recommendations, because I know their standards for good and bad are close to mine. And in other cases I've found that their standards differ (either positively or negatively), so I interpret their opinion accordingly. That doesn't mean their opinion is any less valid though! Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] How was the 2030 party?
Jayson B. wrote: > >it was nice to see the older crowd show up too...just > >a good mix of those who are respected and those who > >are learning. > > "those who are learning." Yes, teach them in the old ways of techno, so > that way they can defeat darth oakenfold. I mean c'mon, isn't that just a > *little* too elitist? you're right, its WAY too elitist. Music is a > passage. Everyone goes on their own, at their own pace, in their own time. Which I believe is Diana's point exactly... A good party should accommodate everyone, regardless of where they are in that passage. Sounds to me like that party did just that. Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] carl craig remixes
Tom Serna wrote: > while we're on the thread of C2 > I thought I might ask : > > S-Express - Theme From S'Express (Carl Craig Birthday > Surprise Mix).mp3 > > found this by chance while browsing audiogalaxy > just wondering if it was ever released and if so which > label / ep? I've never seen this particular remix, but a few months ago I found the 'Carl Craig M.Bation Stroke Special mix' (ahem) on the Sexy label. On the label it says Promo 2, so perhaps that mix you found may have been Promo 1? Carl's remix basically loops the 'I've got the hots' bit of the vocal over a Throw-ish type beat. On the flip is a Tony De Vit mix, which is a pile of camel cack, as you'd expect. Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ismistik
James David Beard wrote: >I know Norway ain't quite Detroit, but does anybody know > what the folks from Ismistik have been up to since the > Remain LP on Djax? Any of them still releasing music? >>From what I remember, Ismistik = Bjorn Torske (and maybe someone else??). He later released several EPs on Svek and Ferox that are quite good, but his best work IMO is the 'Footnotes' EP he released as Krisp on the Love OD label. Melodic, driving techno that goes for almost twelve minutes without being boring for one second. Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Help on the limited Rhythm & Sound
"Jongsma, K.J." wrote: > Same goes for the > new one from Morgan Geist on environ, thei is just one word to describe this > record: Morgan-funk ((c)Otto K. :)) It's actually Metrofunk :) But regardless of what you call it, the record is class. Buy on sight. Otto, back into hiding again - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ground zero website?
Mike Taylor wrote: > does this exist? Ah, erm, regrettable not... (well, not yet anyway, I may try to set up a real basic one soon(-ish)) If I only had 30 hours per day... :) (especially today with still having to sort everything out before getting on the plane to NYC tomorrow) Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Re: Pal Joey?
Benn Glazier wrote: > > >Joey I think recently was sampled by some > >huge pop musician..maybe it was the thong song or > >something...I know something I heard recently on the > >radio had a Pal Joey sample in it :P > > It wasn't "Fairground" by Simply Red by chance? While I know "Earth > People", there's a cut that D. May plays all the time with a classic drum > break which was sampled for the aforementioned Simply Red number. Umm, that drum break is from The Good Men :) Who originally sampled it from (I think) Airto Moreira - 'Samba de Flores' Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] The vultures move in...
A quote from the Freep article: "...city officials say Craig failed to meet city-imposed deadlines requiring contracts for artists who are scheduled to perform Memorial Day weekend. The city, which co-presents the Hart Plaza festival, requests 30 days for processing the deposits made to artists to secure their appearances. Those payments can run in the tens of thousands of dollars." No matter which way you look at it, this alone is not sufficient ground for firing a creative director of such a successful festival. Two possible explanations: 1) He did a lot more things wrong than this that they want to keep the lid on for his and the festival's benefit or 2) they were looking for a way to get rid of him and now they've found a reason. My money is (obviously) on the second explanation, since it so obviously reeks of media manipulation. Paraphrasing the article: "Carl didn't do the organizing side of the lineup well (the contracts) and he didn't do the content side well (not enough Detroit on the lineup), can you blame us for booting such an incompetent guy?" Bollocks to that. Any bets on the chance that next year SFX and 89x will be on the "...advisory board made up of artists and others in the Detroit techno industry." Note the 'others'... Cynically yours, Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] steve rachmad
"Jongsma, K.J." wrote:
>
> I think there are 3, well i have got three of them. I dunno if there was a
> number 4 or higher
Rachmad Project 4 and 5 do exist, I think I've got no. 4 at home, but I
don't remember buying no. 5. My favourite is probably no. 3 ('To The
Top').
Otto
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Re: [313] DEMF vs. Woodstock
atomly wrote: > Woodstock marked the time when the hippies established themselves as a > force. Nobody cared about Country Joe or Jimi Hendrix before that. Yes, but did anybody in the music establishment really care about techno before last year? They might've cared about the usual suspects that we all love to hate on this list, but not about the artists that were on last year's DEMF lineup. > Woodstock was amazing because it wasn't planned to be huge while they > were anticipating huge crowds at DEMF. They were not anticipating huge crowds at DEMF. 100,000 was the maximum figure I heard in the weeks before DEMF. Don't forget that until 1-2 months beforehand, there was still quite a bit of uncertainty as to whether or not it would go ahead at all and with what lineup. Serious promotion was pretty much nonexistent until a few weeks before the event. Weather was expected to be crap too (one highlight of the festival: the sun breaking through the clouds just seconds after Mike Grant dropped Blaze's "Wishing You Were Here". I love synchronicity). When we told people that we flew in from the Netherlands, the standard reaction was that we must be crazy to fly halfway across the world for a festival that the majority of locals didn't even know about, let alone care about. So when the first day it became the success that it was, it was so completely unexpected that that feeling/atmosphere made the next days an even bigger success. Woodstock of course had much larger social and cultural implications than DEMF, but in terms of what it meant for the music itself and its (broad) acceptance, they're both defining moments in American musical history. Otto
Re: [313] Jori Hulkkonen
Another Jori Hulkkonen release very much worth hunting down is Bobby Forrester - 'Love you forever' on Plumphouse from 1997. There were also remixes in '98 on Plumphouse and in '99 and EP on EC Records called 'She loox different', but the first Plumphouse release is still my favourite. Otto
Re: [313] things that have been knocking my eardrums to the floor
Rob Theakston wrote: > your turn. First of all, seconded on the Metro Area. Fab stuff all around. In the same vein: having missed the Balihu releases when they first came out, I picked up pretty much the entire back catalogue when they were repressed about a month ago (?) and haven't stopped listening to them since. Danny Wang is a genius. Tim Jackiw - 'Science of Sound' (Offworld). One of those records that makes you wonder whether there is any justice in the music industry at all. Because of bad distributors and record shops, this record went virtually unnoticed when it was released in '97. A criminal shame, because it's a stunningly beautiful record, an absolute gem that deserves to be rated alongside 'Kao-Tic Harmony', 'Icon', 'At Les' and 'Galaxy 2 Galaxy'. I'm not going to stop pushing this record until it is. Jerome Sydenham + Kerri Chandler - 'Saturday' (Ibadan) Album full of great latin/afro-influenced house music from those who do it best. Can't wait to get back to Body&Soul to hear it in the perfect surroundings. Duplex - 'Autosave' (Ground Zero) Yes, I know it's bad form to list releases on your own label in a top 10, especially when it's the same week that it's being released, but I have to make an exception in this case. Ever since I heard 'Autosave' off of tape in a car almost a year ago, I haven't been this excited about a techno record basically since 'Jaguar' first sent shivers down my spine. EPs like these are the reason I got into techno and it's an honor to release this. Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Re: ezmlm response
Nick Walsh wrote: > > Gear talk was exactly why 313TechKnow was created, > > check > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/313TechKnow for > > subscription info. > > I think there should be a little leeway with our > discussion on this list... detroit techno has it's > influences and has influenced many styles of music. If > we don't keep adding new influences, the music will > never progress. Obviously, yes. I'm all for musical eclecticism, 313 has many influences and those are perfectly on topic IMO. For instance, I would've never known about Jeff Lorber for instance if it hadn't been for 313 (so thanks to whoever brought that up!). In the past 313 has pointed me towards old dub music, Sun Ra, Weather Report and made me rediscover sleazy Italian disco. But what does gear talk have to do with musical influences? Heck, if anything, it only leads to people copying other people's sounds :) Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Re: ezmlm response
tim maughan wrote: > so what? we can't discuss music software/hardware here? what if i prefix > everything with "as used by (insert member of the holy trinity here)" before > everything? So you want to talk about clothes (as worn by...), breakfast cereals (as eaten by...) and toilet paper (as used by...) too? :) Gear talk was exactly why 313TechKnow was created, check http://groups.yahoo.com/group/313TechKnow for subscription info. Cheers, Otto
Re: [313] on topic
Wraith313 wrote: > What kind of subjects are actually defined as "on topic" for this group? > My first impression is that Techno talk and anything that has to do with > techno is on topic. Is this inaccurate? My opinion: 'Anything that has to do with techno' is too broad. IMO, 313 is specifically about Detroit and Detroit-related techno and house, not about software, gear, cars, drugs, etc. That's all stuff that might be relevant to techno, but there are other lists that are much better suited for those topics. If you want to read/know/ask about those things, subscribe to those lists, or find a webpage with the answer to your question (www.google.com will usually find it). As for the techno 'talk', the talk unfortunately tends to outweigh the techno by a mile or two. IMO there's too many people having essentially one-to-one conversations on the list, so keep those friggin' useless oneliners where they belong: in private email puh-lease... (no matter how tempting it is with a permanent net connection and nothing better to do). Either that, or make sure that your post is worth reading for the other 800-odd subscribers to this list. Otto, the list etiquette purist.
Re: [313] Record shops Amsterdam / D. Carter @ Chemistry
stuffed bird wrote: > Calling all Dutch 313'ers! I'm coming over to Amsterdam this Saturday, record > shopping in the afternoon, > Please advise me on any cool record shops, especially second hand rarities, > deep house, chicago house, disco, etc. Rush Hour -www.rushhour.nl- is the one you need. Great selection, friendly staff and good backstock too. I've basically stopped shopping at other shops in Amsterdam (except the occasional visit to Rhythm Import on the Nieuwendijk) once Rush Hour opened. Otto
Re: [313] numerous threads at once (swedes, t-1000, top 10, st germain)
paul wrote: > and check out beyer's forthcoming > house double pack on jerichoshould surprise a few on this list. Do you have any more details on when it's supposed to be out and what it's called? If it's anything like his Conceiled 1-4 EP on Svek, I'll almost buy it on sight. Otto
Lask
Hi Scott, > I thought Icarus was Joel Mull... At least the first Icarus release on > Jericho was... I'm really sure of that... It's very well possible. I read about Steve Rachmad on the website of a Dutch mailorder/recordstore, where it was described as a Steve Rachmad production, so they might have been patriotic :) Cheers, Otto
Re: [313] Lask
Myke Mitchell wrote: > On a side note, kinda OT but does anyone have any info on a label called > Lask, I have the first record and it's pretty nice. Lask is Joel Mull's label, but that's about all I know. I have one or two releases on Lask and they're quite good. Of the Swedish techno labels, this and Inside are the ones I (still) check out if I see them. In a fairly similar vein, the Jericho label from the UK has some quite good stuff, particularly some of Jel Ford's own tracks. BTW, I've read somewhere that the Icarus - 'Nightfly' release was by Steve Rachmad, but I wasn't too hot on that one. Otto
Re: [313] tech-no at DEMF?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It seems they were willing to let the person in > question sponsor a stage, but would not let him have control over who would > be appearing on the stage. Am I the only one who was extremely happy when he read this? No compromise. Otto
Re: [313] tech-no at DEMF?
David Bitterman wrote: > Just to throw this out there, did anyone else know that for no more than the > price of air fare the DEMF was offered Joel Mull, Cari Lekebausch, Mistress > Barbara, Christian Smith, Marco Corola, and a handful of others, and they > said they had absolutely no interest? I could be wrong about this next part, > but I believe there was some offer of sponsoring a stage as part of the > package as well. So much for total diversity as a bunch of seriously pro > level techno gets dissed! - Assuming this is correct info and not simply starting a rumour by whoever originated this info, there are many legitimate reasons why such a thing could have happened that do not involve 'dissing'. That offer could've been made at a time when the majority of the lineup was already more or less fixed. Maybe there was already enough techno in the lineup compared to other forms of electronic music (it's the dEMf, not the dTf). Those DJs tour the US on a fairly regular basis, much more than the average Detroit DJ, so they don't need the exposure as much. One of the beauties of last year's DEMF was to hear relatively unknown Detroit DJs spin great sets (it's the Demf, not the emf)*1 Other non-Detroit techno DJs such as Slam and Laurent Garnier have a stronger musical connection to Detroit than the ones you mention. Carl Craig may simply like other DJs better and he *is* the musical director of the festival after all. Otto *1 Although I'm wondering, given the way it's being billed this year, whether they're gonna drop the D after next year's edition and then hold it each year in the highest-bidding city, say a commercially much more attractive place like NYC or LA... (/cynical capitalist mode off)
Re: [313] Convextion
Laurenz wrote: > I'm really impressed by the sound/groove/depth of the Convextions "Venus in > Space"-EP (on Tektite). > Are there any labels/artists/tracks I can compare this piece of art with? There's two other Convextion releases on Sean Deason's Matrix label that are well worth hunting down (although probably not that easy to find nowadays?). Very spacey, driving grooves. Both are EPs that make people come up to you and ask "What the hell *is* that?" :) Otto, who hasn't found the Tektite EP yet :( (Merrick, who does your distribution?)
Re: [313] Peacefrog 100th release
stephen kelly wrote: > wonder how much it's gonna cost?... Knowing Peacefrog, the price for distributors will be at least 12 UKP / 18 USD, so you can guess what the retail price will be :( Otto, the cynic...
Re: [313] vinyl: not for me; but mp3 cds are.
Ash wrote: > Something I don't understand here - so much music is made with samplers and > other digital devices, so presumably the sound coming out is quantised to > 16-bit/44.1KHz by definition anyway - how can writing that quantised sound > onto vinyl suddenly give it a better dynamic range / quality ? I always thought the same as well, but last year when we had the first Ground Zero and TechnoTourist releases cut, I became a convert (and I think Hans and KJ too). We had the tracks on DAT, listened to them in the cutting studio to determine the final EQ adjustments and they sounded good. Then they were cut and we briefly listened back to the lacquer and our collective jaws dropped in disbelief at how much better, deeper, warmer and groovier the tracks sounded. NSC's magic worked. Not much of an explanation, I admit, but still. Otto
Re: [313] mp3.com
Wraith313 wrote: > Any artists with mp3.com tracks should email the location of them to me. I > plan to make an all [313] station. That already exists, created by Tristan/Phonopsia a few months ago: http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/151/313.html Cheers, Otto PS Some great tracks on there!
Re: [313] Original v. Replica, Private v. Public - WAS [Re: [313] Re: IP issues [LONG]]
Phonopsia wrote: > So what are the general benefits to the public of copying? It sounds to me > that the benefit of copying is the unimpeded sharing of information. > Conceptually, this is a great idea. In practice I don't think this leaves us > any way to support an artistic community. Perhaps. John Perry Barlow has something interesting thoughts on this: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.10/download.html I'm not as optimistic/enthusiastic as him, but there may be some validity in what he's saying. Otto
Re: [313] events in nyc?
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Phil Chan wrote: > > i'll be paying my first visit to new york this weekend and was wondering if > > there were any interesting things going on. Sunday afternoon/evening: Body&Soul Quite simply, the best (house) club ever. http://www.bodyandsoul-nyc.com Otto, who can't wait till mid-May when he'll be back there :)
Re: [313] Hey mac Users!
Could someone explain the relevance of Mac OS discussions to 313? Sean's original message was on-topic, but this sort of stuff should be private mail really. Otto, who's not as cranky as this message might indicate, honest.
Re: [313] Titonton Duvante
Dan Sicko wrote: > > Yes, Titonton deserves a LOT more attention and respect. > > I'm glad to see his name all over the list today -- I had been > planning to do a feature on him for a long time now (since the > Exordium party in Columbus!), but my time ain't what it used to be ... Now *that* party brings back good memories! (even the candyraver contingent couldn't spoil it) Boo Williams going deep, Morgan Geist doing a great liveset and Rob Hood in top form. If there was any downside to it, it was missing Titonton's set, because they had to open later than scheduled so he sacrificed his set in favour of the other artists. Otto
Re: [313] Race and Techno
tim maughan wrote: > it really upsets me to watch you all b*tch at each other like this. when i > was a kid, techno was a unifying force...well, at least here in the UK. [snip] > and the poeple i did this with - who i talked, danced, got high, and loved > with - weren't ANY color. hey - yeah..they were black, asian, white, male, > female, rich kids, ghetto kids, straight, gay, disabled...but no one cared. > no one said anything. why? cos only one thing mattered: > > techno. On the dancefloor, yes, absolutely right. BUT...in the broader social and economic context (from an artists/DJ point of view) of dealing with the media, promotors, distributors, fellow DJs and artists, race does matter. *That* is the issue here, not whether or not race matters in dancing to or listening to music. In that sense, you could argue that race discussions have no place on 313, if you focus solely on the music. Personally, I feel that -particularly for Detroit techno- you can't really separate the music from the environment, which would make it a legitimate topic on 313 IMO. Especially since some of the people involved are on the list and have an opportunity to give a first-hand perspective on things as opposed to us making all kinds of assumptions etc. (case in point: Mad Mike's post to 313 several years ago on the Drexciya controversy) However, I realize that this is just my opinion and others may not care for such discussions (not least because aren't always that productive) and just want the latest release and party info. With that in mind, I'll try to keep quiet in this thread. Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recording Stars Challenge Music Labels' Business Practices
FYI, from the LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/print/asection/20010329/t26998.html Otto
Re: [313] juan atkins show is not cancel for the 7th for all them hater a hole who said it was listen to 89x all next week to hear ad
THEMUSIC MUST NEVER STOP FLOWING wrote: > call the real # and tell me the show was cancel i think not 734-464-8447 > and if you think you can out mix the magic juan come to the show with > your 1200 and lets see what you got . > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Hang on, I think I've figured this one out... >From the Juno Service Agreement -http://help.juno.com/privacy/agreement.html-, Section 2.5 (which is a rather amazing read in itself, in what they require from you) 2.5. You expressly permit and authorize Juno to (i) download to your computer one or more pieces of software (the "Computational Software") designed to perform computations, which may be unrelated to the operation of the Service, on behalf of Juno (or on behalf ofsuch third parties as may be authorized by Juno, subject to the Privacy Statement), (ii) run the Computational Software on your computer to perform and store the results of such computations, and (iii) upload such results to Juno's central computers during a subsequent connection, whether initiated by you in the course of using the Service or by the Computational Software as further described below. We've got a bot on the list! :) Otto
Moodyman on Jan?
Spotted this on the recent Hardwax mailout: > Jan 001 > Moodyman: Jan (US 12") @ DM 21,90 #33217 > (ultra deep slow upbuildin´lush goovin´heavy funk injected detroit >house track) Anyone heard this and/or have more info on the label? Otto
Re: [313] bongo drums
Stewart Caig wrote: > I'm looking to incorporate some heavy instrumental bongo driven funk tracks > in with a mix and wondered if anyone knew of any tracks worth checking out. Not so much a specific release as a whole label: Ibadan Recordings out of New York. All the usual NY house suspects like Joe Claussell, Kerri Chandler and Jerome Sydenham are involved, most tracks are quite strong on the percussive side, all are top quality (I usually don't even bother to listen and just snap 'm up on sight). The Mr. Bongo label (affiliated with the London record store of the same name) released a compilation called "Batacuda por favor" a few years ago that is well worth checking out. They've probably released more comps, but I don't have any of those. Soul Jazz Records have also released several great compilations full of percussive latin/afro rhythms. Otto
Re: [313] Rob Hood
jurren baars wrote: > (help me; i can't decide whether to go to rob hood in nijmegen tonight, or > titonton in the hague. i saw robert hood yesterday but frankly was a kinda > dissapointed, a bit to hard for my taste, by far not as great as in utrecht > a couple of months ago. probably due to the size of the venue?) I saw him last night in Nijmegen and he was fantastic! (on a par with his set at the Blind Pig in Ann Arbor in '99, for those that remember that one). I heard from a few people that were at both gigs that his Paradiso was indeed a lot more banging, according to some because Shinedoe before him played harder than Zero One did at the Nijmegen show? Anyway, Zero One built it up perfectly for Rob Hood who spun a great set, including a few hiphop tracks that went down quite well. The thing that always amazes me about Rob's sets is that some of the techno tracks he plays are so repetitive they could almost be loops, yet they never become boring because they're groovy as hell. Otto, who wishes more DJs would appreciate that a groove is more than just repetition.
Re: [313] Mills last night
Dennis Donohue wrote: > >heard Rob Hood was there, but I didn't see him. I > >thought that was funny because last time I checked Rob > >and Jeff did not get along to well. > > I really doubt that Rob was there, as He´s scheduled to be in Amsterdam > tonight, and there´s a seven hour time difference (which leaves hardly any > time to sleep and such) --- Not to mention the fact that afaik there are no morning flights to Europe out of Detroit, so it'd be physically impossible anyway :) Otto PS Dennis, see you Saturday!
Re: [313] curious on opinions
Todd Smith wrote: > "Otto Koppius" wrote: > > Probably only by people with an aversion to vocals... Personally, I can't > get enough of it, especially the Blue Six releases are future classics IMO > (including the 'Sweeter Love' EP on Wave as well), > > > Classics of the future past for sure And why would that be? What in the past has sounded like it? That'll go on my wantlist then :) > That's because all basic channel records sound different The dubs don't. Not that I care anyway, they're still good. > Anyone know of any good new house that's coming out? Something > other than Moodyman/Theo Parrish. It's all starting to sound the same. Danny Wang, Morgan Geist + Darshan Jesrani (aka Metro Area on Environ), the newworldaquarium release on Delsin and although I don't dig every single one of them, any new Playhouse, Klang or Perlon release is always interesting. Cheers, Otto
Re: [313] curious on opinions
ice-a wrote: > is stuff on naked music considered cheesy in the house world? Probably only by people with an aversion to vocals... Personally, I can't get enough of it, especially the Blue Six releases are future classics IMO (including the 'Sweeter Love' EP on Wave as well), but you can't go much wrong with the others either. If there's one criticism you could have, is that most releases are variations on the same theme, but when the theme is this good, who cares? And besides, such a criticism never stopped people from drooling over Basic Channel records :) Otto PS Miguel Migs is spinning in Club de Ville, Amsterdam, NL this Saturday.
Re: [313] submerge account
Sam Karmel wrote: > Then i was told that they tried to get around this > problem by getting an account straight from submerge, > only there was one big problem when trying to do this. > You need to buy ten copies of the same 12" to get an > account with them. As far as I know, there is nothing that prevents your local store from ordering four copies instead of ten straight from Submerge, i.e. by regular mailorder instead of through an account. The only thing is that then you don't qualify for the wholesale discount (which starts at 5 copies) and you probably have to pay in advance, say by creditcard. In case you hadn't already, check www.submerge.com and then the wholesale/retail info link. Hope this helps, Otto
Re: [313] Somewhere in detroit
Stewart Caig wrote: > I'm going to be in Detroit for the DEMF and wondered if any 313ers knoe what > the possibility is of getting into the Somewhere in Detroit record store. I > heard that its appointments only. what's the score? Last year they were open all day especially for DEMF, so they might do that again this year. But then again, they might do something completely else instead :) Otto
Re: [313] re: Derrick May questions?
Gary Girard in response to Mike Taylor: > A bit of generalising if ever I saw it! Now you're getting into race issues (I > would assume you're of black origin to make such comments). I appreciate > melodic > tunes as much as anyone, but in a club on a big soundsystem the Richie Hawtin > style works well. > > Just remember - white men can funk! And [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > It was sad, because Derrick's set was so much better, and so completely over > > their head. > > DAMN THOSE WHITE PEOPLE, THEY JUST DONT GET IT! > > keeping racial distinctions alive well into the 21st century, Let's keep things in perspective, shall we? Mike was making an observation of the behavior of the white crowd at the DEMF during Derrick May's set and Richie Hawtin's set. Those who were there can confirm that it was a pretty accurate observation (and before anyone asks, no, I wasn't there myself, I had to leave DEMF before Monday, but Mike's observation has been echoed by many people that I spoke to afterwards). Assuming that the majority of people were there to simply party (nothing wrong with that btw) and because Derrick's set was one for the partiers with a sense of musical history and broader musical interests, it fell flat on the ears of the prototypical white 18-year-old who has never heard of James Brown and couldn't care less. Richies set was more straightforward dance music and that's what they came there for, so they partied. Simple as that. Essentially it is the age-old debate of should the DJ give the audience what they want, or should the audience want what the DJ gives? (so let's not rehash that one) And while Mike's generalization to 'white audiences' may step on a few individual's toes, it is essentially correct. As long as you realize that it's a generalization! In other words, it is *generally* applicable, but not *universally*. For the majority it holds, but there are exceptions. The things that makes matters blurry is that the white people on this list tend to be such exceptions (hence the strong reactions). So yes Gary, white men can funk. But in the broader world of dance music in general, most of them can't. Why is that? If I may speculate a bit here, I think it has to do with musical upbringing and interest. Most people I know from this list are music freaks, in the positive sense of the word. Their tastes usually range quite far beyond Detroit techno, to include other genres of dance music, but also (and especially!) reference genres like funk, soul, disco, Krautrock, new wave, dub, etc. That gives them an appreciation for Detroit techno as music as well as a party tool. (downside is that they sometimes tend to be overly analytical about music and forgetting about the party bit...ahem). Since most of those reference genres are relatively old, they probably don't mean much to someone whose musical tastes were shaped in the last five years. In that case, it is much more party music and then you don't care about 'intricate rhythms' and 'complex soundscapes' (cue Brian Eno's quote about talking about music...), you want a straightforward kick and the obvious peak here and there for the party mood. I'm not a musical theorist or sociologist, so I can only speculate on why certain music genres are considered white and others are considered black, but I do think it is a reinforcing situation: if you're black you tend to grow up on black music and if you're white, you tend to grow up on white music. (yes, this is a generalization, I'm all too aware of that since I'm an exception myself: I'm white, but grew up on mainly black music). This of course shapes your future tastes. So if, like most white kids these days, you didn't grow up on funk-influenced music, you probably don't appreciate the funk element that most people on this list would associate with Detroit techno. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I think it does explain what happened on Monday night at DEMF. Otto PS As a general sidenote about racial distinctions: IMO the main reason why we continue to have debates like this is that too many people deny that there *are* racial distinctions. They smooth them over, by saying things like 'keep race out of this' and 'skin color is irrelevant' etc. Though well-meant and heartfelt, it is rather superficial (and considered by some people of non-white races to be patronising), because racial distinctions are there and as one look around you will tell, they *do* matter! They *should* not matter, but the fact is, they do. It is not until we explicitly recognize those differences that we can move beyond them. As much as I hate to speak in soundbite-style, the phrase 'all different, all equal' springs to mind.
[313] New Mp3.com
Arne Weinberg wrote: > Check out the first three tracks of mine that i actually uploaded on mp3.com > please! > I would love to hear some suggestions on my music. :-) > > www.mp3.com/arneweinberg I know I'm biased because Arne has an EP forthcoming on Ground Zero (GZ 003, out in June, GZ 002: "Autosave" by Duplex will be out late March), but I can really recommend everyone to check his music out. Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Cheap hotel prices in downtown D
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > There are a slew of hotels on Jefferson Ave too...starting right past the > Shorecrest motel down to Grand Ave. Shorecrest (I remember it being around $70 (incl. tax) per night?!) has a big advantage: it's in the same building as The Click, a Detroit institution as far as breakfasts go... Otto, who's getting hungry all of a sudden :)
Re: [313] DEMF 2K1 ?!?
Kent williams wrote: > And I assume the Dutch Contingent will rearrive! Could it be any other way? :) Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] the long dj set
darw_n wrote: > Instead of "oh, I am going to take this hook, and this break down and create > something new", Which is only *one* style of DJing... > it has become *exactly* what a wedding or radio DJ or a POP > band does, they play *exactly* what the crowd wants to hear... This can be done just as well with the hiphop approach, i.e. take-a-hook-here etc. approach. Every genre has bad DJs. > They could not understand that it can be more that just playing records... Playing almost whole records together can be just as valid a DJ style in the sense of creating something new. Perhaps not in the 'creating new sounds' sense, but definitely in the 'creating a new experience' sense. Two words: Theo Parrish. Or David Mancuso, check the book 'Last night a DJ saved my life' for a description how he perfectly created a mood, playing records from beginning to end, even allowing silence between two records. Otto
Re: [313] codebreaker message
Sean Deason wrote: > so? whats the URL? tell us for gods sake! Jonathan Morse: > there was a URL given with sine tones via morse code in the track. If I remember right, there wasn't so much a URL given, as they told you where to click on the special Codebreaker page (I think it said 'click on the dot' or something along those lines) that was up for a while, after which you got to a new page with a long UR statement. Otto
Re: [313] Millennium 2 millennium
Benn Glazier wrote: > At 12:25 25/01/01 +, you wrote: > >anyone else had any thoughts about the numbers printed on millennium 2 > >millennium? you know Mad Mike puts them there for a reason. i thought they > >might be URLs but they dont work... > >can you crack the code? > > And it's a code for a reason, for those that know. > > Remember what happened with Codebreaker. Someone opened their fat mouth > and defeated the purpose of the exercise. I think UR expected from the beginning that eventually someone would figure it out and spread the word through the grapevine. And with that in mind, I'd say they even *counted on* someone to do that and spread the message for them. Otto PS Welcome back!
Robert Hood in .nl
March 2nd: Paradiso, Amsterdam March 3rd: Doornroosje, Nijmegen It took him about eight years for his second gig in the Netherlands last November (first one being the infamous UR live show in Ekko, Utrecht), but it looks like he's developed a taste for Dutch clubs now ... which I don't mind at all :) Otto
Re: [313] convextion
Deliverator wrote: > I recently picked up Derrick May's latest mix up cd, and it featured a > classic track that I was never able to ID from Convextion. This track > absolutely floors me every time i hear it. From what I can tell, it looks > like they had 2 releases out of detroit back in 96-97Does anyone have > any more info on these guys? I seem to remember it is one guy from Houston, but I'm sure Sean will have more info. The two releases on Matrix were very good, particularly "Ebullience" never seems to leave the front of my crate. As Tristan said, there's an album forthcoming on Tektite (is Merrick still on the list?), a sampler of which is released as TITE-10. The Tektite website had the tracks in Realaudio (http://www.tekrecs.com/tektite/releases.htm) and they're in similar vein as the EPs on Matrix, in other words: class. Otto
Re: [313] Dave
Dave about Dave: > Sounds like it could be Dave Krasserman. Dave has had a few releases, > some of which are on Raum music from Germany. Very lush deep house / > techhouse. The Raum record I have (Sightseeing I think it's called) has > DAVE written in big letters so I think that's where the tape is coming > from. He's also got a release called "Feeling" on Decore Records (dec 001), similar in style to the Raum Musik one. On a related tip, check a fairly recent release by Smoab - 'Red' on Personal Records out of Vienna (about two months old, thanks to Jason Batory for the recommendation). Especially the long side has a very addictive groove and a wonderful piano line running through it. Otto
Re: [313] Rub A Dub's number?
david beattie wrote: > > I'm not 100% sure but I seem to remember 0141 400 6969 Rub-a-Dub's own website (www.rad69.com) is currently under construction, but: Rotator Locator's Scotland page (http://music.hyperreal.org/rotator/scotland.htm) gives 0141-552-5791 Motion Shopfinder (http://motion.state51.co.uk/shopfinder/124.html) gives 0141 552 8008. Hope this helps, Otto
Re: [313] motor city music tour // ford focus // rolling stone
Giles Dickerson wrote: > http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/special/fordfocus/ And 8 out of 10 downloads are from Intuit-Solar releases. How does Jon Layne do it? :) Otto
Ground Zero / TechnoTourist sightings
As some of you may know, recently I've set up two record labels, Ground Zero and TechnoTourist, with releases by fellow listmembers The Moderator - "In Transit" (GZ 001) and The TechnoTourists - "Follow The Beat" (TT 001) respectively, both distributed by Clone (www.clone.nl). They've been out for about a month and a half now (so maybe I should've asked this a little bit earlier), but since these are both new labels I'm curious where they showed up. If you've spotted either of those releases in a store (either physical or online store) or seen a review, could you send me an email? Much appreciated, Otto PS Just found out that the TechnoTourist release got 4 out of 5 in the December issue of Muzik. Wahey!
Re: [313] RE: R WE BEING EDITED???
David Bitterman wrote: > I would like to ask if anyone else on this list has had their posts > intentionally omitted? As someone else already pointed out, sometimes people forget to change the address to 313@hyperreal.org when replying, in which case it goes to the original sender only and not the list. Or sometimes a (semi-)private discussion accidentally ends up on the list, in which case it seems like there've been posts missing. > I say this as I know of various people who have been "removed" or banned > from posting. This is highly unlikely. AFAIK, in the history of 313 (i.e. going back to 1994) the number of people that have been banned from the list can be counted on the fingers of one hand. Those bannings occurred only after serious and/or prolonged misconduct and while the past week or two may have been annoying in terms of 'not-this-discussion-again', there was no gross misconduct IMO. What is much more likely to have happened, is that those people's mailboxes were full or their mailservers down or something similar. In that case EZMLM (the listadmin software) sends a probe (whatever that may be) and if that fails, eventually removes that address from the list. Another reason may be that the sender is using a mailserver that is in the ORBS database (orbs.org) because it allows open relay. This makes it vulnerable for use by spammers, which is the reason that some mailservers refuse emails coming from mailservers that are in that database. I don't know if Hyperreal's mailserver uses ORBS, but if it does, it's another possible reason for not being able to post. Otto
Re: [313] Sensurreal
Phonopsia wrote: > Well, I didn't buy it lately, but I did rediscover it. Chocolate Stuff > anyone? Is Sensurreal still making break-y stuff, or have they stumbled back > towards techno yet? Last time I heard anything from them (or Gerd for that matter) was over a year ago, so nothing quite recent. I wish they'd release something again, because their two previous albums are underrated classics IMO. Especially "Astral Black" off of "The Occasional Series" album is sheer brilliance. Cheers, Otto
Re: [313] DJ Assault - Live_wow_
Jayson B. wrote: > Maybe its just me, but i'm kinda surprised anyone on this list actually > respects Paris. Paris gets respect for different reasons than "Sandwiches". "Sandwiches" is *NOT* representative for Detroit Grand Pu-Bahs the group, nor is it representative of what Paris does as an artist (listen to his earlier releases on Throw, esp. "The Stalker") or as a DJ (spinning everything from deep house to jungle, and all quality stuff). > I'm sorry, but sandwiches was uninspiring, unimaginative, > unfunny, and it almost made it on to MTV's TRL. Each to their own tastes of course. I personally thought it was quite hilarious, even though the novelty does wear off after a while (which is a characteristic of novelty, I guess %-) You have to admit though, that if it would've made TRL, it may have lead to 12-year-olds singing "make you thighs like butter, easy to spread", which scores as high on the hilarity scale as Kent's little kid shouting "I am the operator of my pocket calculator", thus scaring an unsuspecting elderly couple :) Cheers, Otto
Re: [313] err...
darw_n wrote: > Techno doesn't have a *defined* message, something that most (if not all) > past "movements" had... You did make the case for punk, but even so I can't really agree with this, although that may be because the terms message and movements are too vague in this context. For instance, is a movement a new musical genre or does it have to have a separate social scene that goes with it? Similarly, messages can range from very narrowly defined to very broadly defined, they can be implicitly defined, etc. etc. What would the message be for reggae, house, grunge, disco or classical music? > Instead, techno is a device for imagination Yes. > aimed towards escapism (both possitive and negative). But why escapism? Or rather, how is this different from other music (any music is a device for imagination)? Or even broader, doesn't imagination *imply* escapism? Because if you have to imagine it, by definition you have to escape from your own reality into your 'imagined reality'. > Techno, because it says nothing recognizable, is a > tool for individuals to use in whatever way they see fit. Only partly. There are also elements in techno that virtually impose a certain feeling on listeners: a big 909 kick for energy, strings for a number of emotions, a breakdown for that ecstatic feeling, etc. (archetypes of musical elements anyone?) And in this respect, how would techno (or house) differ from classical music or from a rock song sung in Sanskrit (like Kula Shaker did)? Neither of those say anything recognizable, yet they differ quite substantially in their respective audiences and scenes. > > Quite the contrary. > > Techno was born because there were people that were *not* apathic, > > because there were people that heard a certain sound and ran with it. > > Yes, but you have to admit that both techno and rave are on a totally > different platform than just parties with some experimental music, That *is* how it started though: great dance music, nothing more, nothing less. And only later did it evolve into something that gave people an opportunity to create and hence build and sustain the 'scene'. > there is > a reason why ravers are almost uniformly excapists, there is a reason why > techno people are so passionate about it, I am trying to figure out these > reasons... Because people so easily can create a (tiny) part of the techno scene (parties, records, DJ sets, magazines, reviews, etc etc), i.e. the blurring of producer/consumer, they feel more involved. > > It is what it is. > > See, I just can't let something be like that, I want, no need, to know what > that "is" is... So do I. But there is a limit as to how far reductionism will take you. Some things can only be understood as a 'whole' thing, they cannot be explained through understanding of the parts that make up the whole. Music is more than a sequence of notes. Otto
Re: [313] err...
darw_n and mee-thod wrote: > > the techno movement arose from the youth of detroit seeking to locate > > themselves in a future that was different from the urban decay of the > > present. *cue mental image of Belleville* LOL! > and indeed, this is the same sentiment that has permeated all of "rave" and > techno... Which contradicts your theory of the techno movement having no unifying principles So which one is it? > I'll even further that by saying that techno and rave exists in its strength > that it does because this generation, and the last generation has felt > nothing but apathy and boredom, techno was born... Quite the contrary. Techno was born because there were people that were *not* apathic, because there were people that heard a certain sound and ran with it. People that were actively pursuing a goal, because there were people that just went out and made music, set up labels and distribution companies, DJed, threw parties and whatnot, all just for the fun of it. People that stuck with it, despite odds being stacked heavily against them in the 80s and early 90s. Techno exists in its current form and strength mainly because the distinction between producer and consumer (both in the broad sense of the word) is blurred, as opposed to the regular pop scene. As long as we can keep that distinction blurry, then techno can generate dozens of Rolling Stone covers, MTV awards, car commericals and whatnot, and it will still be techno. It is what it is. Otto
Re: [313] err...
Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: > As for "the music" I think that darw_n is correct. Techno and House are > very different from hip-hop for example, in that I really don't think it > is possible for these artforms to be co-opted. Don't count on it. For the US, that may be (still) true. In Europe, especially house is completely co-opted. Absorbed, gentrified, dumbed down, regurgitated and spit back out by the mass media for easy consumption by the general public. In other words: 'bagged'. *BUT*, in the process of the bagging of house, occasionally the real thing makes it to the frontline. Wamdue Kids, Paul Johnson, Harry 'Choo Choo' Romero and several other Subliminal artists, Masters At Work, St. Germain, the list goes on. And the good thing about it is, this is happening increasingly more often as the real thing shines through the dirge of the rest. Silent voices *will* be heard. Otto
Re: [313] err...
atomly wrote: > > http://abc.go.com/primetime/ama/techno_home.html I think one big assumption that's being made throughout this discussion is that Ford decided who to nominate. That decision is made by the AMA organisation, not the sponsors. The AMA most likely decides the nominees based on sales and publicity etc. and then there's no surprise that those three names come up (it's not exactly the first time this sort of thing happens). And with Ford's current ad campaign theme, it's no surprise either that they decide to sponsor such an award, even though they know it's not the real techno. In any case, it's the closest thing at the AMA they have for reaching the intended target audience. Assuming they show the ad during the awards, it will certainly make people wonder what Detroit Techno is. Then it's up to 'us' show them what it all is about (and not flame polite-but-ignorant newbies like what happened to that raver kid a few weeks ago!). Otto
Neuton website
To sort of answer my query from earlier today: I received an answer from the people at Neuton, their site is down because they're redesigning it and it should re-open at the end of January at the same address: www.neuton.com Otto
Re: [313] weird pressing tricks...
jim proffit wrote: > I remember listening to a record back in 92 where there was literally > 2 different tracks cut into one side like it was a one track! Both track's > grooves were cut side by side so it looked like a normal track. You never > knew which one would be playing if you dropped the needle on the record. > To come to think of it: is that even possible when mastering is concerned??? > Or was I dreaming...? That's quite possible, if the spiral groove of the first track are spaced wide enough, you can fit a second spiral inbetween. NSC can do it (X2 technology), for instance: in the last two years, there have been several EPs "The Swarm", Suburban Knight - "Nitestrike" on UR, Gerald Mitchell's "Groove within a groove" on 430 West, an Ectomorph release on Interdimensional Transmission, etc. I've heard that there are also one or two EPs on the French Poumtchak label that have it, but I've never seen those ones. IMO it's very nice from a technical achievement point of view, but to spin it, it's a bit unconvenient, not to mention downright disastrous when the needle skips in the middle of a track :) Otto
Neuton webpage?
Does anyone know what's up with the Neuton webpage? I've been trying to get on their site for the past couple of weeks, but www.neuton.com always times out and www.neuton.de doesn't seem to let me beyond the opening page. Otto
The future of booty? :)
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/11/30/adult/index.html Otto
Re: [313] Nick Holder
rob webb wrote: > which DNH ep is Nick Holder's "Feelin' Sad" on? DNH 048: Retrospective EP, with the lovely latin house track "Da Sambafrique" on the flip. It was later reissued on NRK, although that might have been just "Da Sambafrique" with remixes, not "Feelin' sad", I'm not sure. Otto
Re: [313] musical question ... minimal classical
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Also, what about the lp he was going to be producing of > drummers (were they African?)... whatever has happened > to that? > > And please tell me, is it any day now until the new Black > Flag? (massive!) Hmmm, looks like we should start compiling a list of most anticipated/delayed releases in Detroit techno. Some others: - Kenny Larkin's "Seven Nights" album on Art of Dance - KMS-071: Gary Martin - "Casa Cugat" (although apparently the white labels are out now?!) - Universe 2 Universe - the reissue of Axis 002 (okay, so that's probably not going to happen, but a bit of wishful thinking never hurt anyone :) ) Otto
Re: [313] DEMF Website?
Dave Barnett wrote: > who is responsible for the DMEF web site?, i would like to know detailed > information about who was at this years event, plenty of photos of the > 'large' crowd that attended I can't seem to get through to the DEMF site itself, both demf.net and demf.org appear to be down. There were a bunch of articles (some with photos) written, here's what the Freep wrote: http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/efest30_2530.htm Sonicnet.com wrote 8 articles of which I don't have the direct URLs, but if you search for 'detroit' in their music archives section, they'll show up. And there's of course the TechnoTourist report :) http://technotourist.org/demf.html > (links to the audio and video files at > groovetech of course) and i know it is very early to say - who might be at > next year's event, information on getting to and around Detroit, where to > stay, what to see, what record shops to visit, where to guest dj I'm working on it, I'll post something to the list in a few weeks for comments. Hmmm, the TechnoTourist Guide to Detroit? Lonely Planet watch out! :) > (i know some Adelaide (South Australia) people are interested > in going to it next year). Yep, quite a few 313-members that I met on my holiday there were seriously thinking about it and let's face it: after last year, how can you afford to miss next year's edition? Might be a nice competition to see if there will be more Ozzies or Dutchies :) Anyway, this gives me an opportunity to give big thanks to the 313.au massive for going out of their way to provide hospitality, parties (great house scene in Perth!), radio show appearances or simply all-around friendliness: Askew, Cyclone, 3jane, tan, Jason M., Scott Nexus, Benn, Patrick HAF, james bond, Emma, Chris, Bo, Tim, Kate, Nicole, A_Zed, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jason B. (all three of them), Dave Clark, Josh Dissonance and my apologies to those I forgot, it's not on purpose. Cheers, Otto
Signing off / Australia
I'll unsubscribe later today, because I'm going to be travelling around Australia for a while starting this Monday, taking me to Melbourne, Adelaide, Sydney, Darwin and Perth (no Brisbane, sorry eric!). If you like to catch up along the way, drop me an email. Cheers, Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS Shameless self promotion: I can't leave without plugging the first releases on both my labels Ground Zero and TechnoTourist, featuring tracks by fellow listmembers Klaas-Jan Jongsma (The Moderator) and Hans Veneman (TV-99-AD) among others. Reviews of the promos coming hopefully soon to a mailing list near you (hint! :)), official release at the end of this month. Distribution through Clone: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://www.clone.nl
Re: [313] Fierce ruling diva
Baeteman Hendrik wrote: > A few years ago I heard a record of fierce ruling diva called: You gotta > believe. But I can 't find it. That's not too surprising, because as far as I know it's pretty hard to find, being from '93 (?). Your best bet may be to get the vinyl version Laboratoire Mix by Laurent Garnier (on React Music) as he uses it in that mix. Happy hunting, Otto
Re: [313] F:AMILIAR PRODUCTS/paris bileebob hecklejeckle BIO
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Another must-have for the summer is the Detroit Grand Pubahs/ Heckle & Jeckle > double pack (interview & mix CD). It was recorded live at WCBN with host > Brendan Gillen(Ectomorph). It features hilarious chatter, unreleased tracks, As Bill can testify this was indeed a hilarious show. I lost track of how many different characters they did, but Nurse Hearse is a classic :) Otto PS I think some of it may end up on the forthcoming International DJ Gigolos mix-cd, but I'm sure BMG has more info on that than I do.
Re: [313] Theo Parrish mixes tracklisting
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > "Never Too Much" Yeah, you're right, it's Luther Vandross' "Never Too Much", not "Never Enough". Sorry folks, typo's (well, sorta anyway :) ) happen. BTW, Sony/Epic have just repressed this on the Vinyl Junkie label. It's a blue sleeve with the words "Vinyl Junkie" in big letters on it. Otto
Re: [313] Sample spotting?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Sorry for the OT post. I seem to have lost the bookmark for the online > resource that lists tracks and the original samples featured in them. > > A sample spotter's paradise. What was the URL? Anyone? At Marsel's Forcefield site: http://www.forcefield.org/guide.html Otto
Re: [313] Theo Parrish mixes tracklisting
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > While we're at it, anyone have a clue as to tracklistings for > either "Live In Detroit 1999" or "Methods of Movement 2000", > or perhaps at least can reveal some of the soul tracks (particularly > the ones that have the hooks live "I'm your sandman", "A thousand > kisses from you is never enough", etc. etc.) I don't have a complete tracklisting, but the "Thousand kisses"-track is none other than Luther Vandross - "Never Enough". Soulboy Otto PS Nice triangular layout of your mail :)
Re: [313] New Detroit Escalator?
Minto Chempotical George wrote: > > also got the new mills double Every Dog has it's day...this is a very fine > release for jeff and is probably the best thing I have heard from him in > many years. very deep and nothing like what you would typically expect > from him if you are new to listening to his music. Which makes me wonder whether it's just Jeff or that he May have collaborated with someone. After all, it's released as 'all tracks written and produced by Millsart', not by Jeff Mills. > Don't sleep on this. It's really good. Completely agreed. Especially the D1 track is monumental. BTW, the new Lorne Burden "Kaotic Spacial Rhythms 3" on 430 West is highly recommended as well. Otto
New Detroit Escalator?
Spotted this on the Rush Hour new release list: > DETROIT ESCALATOR CO. - BLACK BUILDINGS > [PEACEFROG - PF 096] Fl.37,50 UKDO10" > Limited 10"double pack feat 7 electronic listening stuff by > Tony Ollivierra, who will also release an album for Peacefrog. Has anyone heard this? If it's anywhere near Soundtrack [313] Can't wait to hear it! Otto PS Shouldn't it be Neil Olliveira instead of Tony? PPS Because speaking of Tony Olliveira, his forthcoming EP as IBEX on Planet E is highly recommended, especially for fans of Recloose's stuff.
Re: [313] online record finders
Tyler Hanel wrote: > > the two places I was referred to were: > > Allstars: http://www.allstars.nl > > and > > Rockhouse: http://www.musicmailexpress.com I don't know Rockhouse, but Allstars (judging from their site) are affiliated with Black Rhyhtm (www.brr.nl). Black Rhythm has a massive catalogue on all kinds of dance music, I dealt with them once a few years, no problems. About shipping rates: blame Dutch PTT for that... Although the rates have come down compared to one or two years ago, sending records is still pretty expensive in NL. Otto, who found that out the hard way when sending out his white labels...
Re: [313] online record finders
Tyler Hanel wrote: > > Has anybody here used GEMM to order records over the internet? > Specifically, GEMM has pointed me to a place in the netherlands that has a > couple of records I've been hunting forever (space djz 'side on'). They > take credit card payment and ship to the US but I'm still kind of > skeptical. Any experiences here? Which record store were you referred to? Otto
Re: [313] DEMF review in The Wire - Kenny Larkin
Gwendal Cobert wrote: > > BTW : they mention Kenny Larkin is about to release a new LP, any info on > this ? Could this be the elusive "Seven Nights" album? I've been waiting for this one ever since the brilliant "Plankton / Clavia's North" EP came out (1996/7?) that was supposed to precede the album... Otto
Re: [313] OUTRAGE! When action????
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In case someone missed my point: the f***ing Jaguar ripoff is in the British > top3! Yeah, it is time to burn, time to burn this sh*t to the ground! > As seen on the NME-site: > < > Last Week This Week Title Artist Label > 1 I FEEL FOR YOU BOB SINCLAR DEFECTED > 4 2 HOW'S YOUR EVENING SO FAR JOSH WINK & LIL LOUIS FFRR > > 1 3 TIME TO BURNSTORM DATA Umm, John, are you sure we're talking about the same track? I listened to some realaudio samples on www.juno.co.uk and the bbc.co.uk site and it doesn't sound like the Jaguar ripoff at all? Also, half of Storm is Mark Spoon from Jam&Spoon, which would be a totally new character to this story. Or did I miss something? Otto
Re: [313] jungle brothers house track
Kent williams wrote: > I have a weakness for this kind of thing -- anyone have any other recommends > of hip-house tracks? (confession time) I share the same weakness... Hey, I was just a kid around that time, could I help it? :) James already mentioned Fast E-double D-I-E, "Git On Up" is a classic, no matter what anyone else says. So there. LOL! I bet the Tyree Cooper mix on the flip is still spinnable, with that hypnotic organ loop and just the "Git On Up" sample without the rap. Other recommendations: Doug Lazy - "Let It Roll" Tony Scott - "The Chief" (although some LOW-landers may disagree with me on that one... *grin*) Krush - "House Arrest" 2 in a Room Otto PS Anybody heard mentioning the word Techn*tronic will see their monitor selfdestruct in ten seconds...
Paging the 313 Toronto Chapter...
I'm going to be in Toronto for a week on a work trip (leaving tomorrow), if anybody wants to get in touch while I'm there, drop me an email. Cheers, Otto
Re: [313] Rhetorics and intellectualism
Todd Smith wrote: > I truly want to believe that what you just wrote is just a big joke. Todd, chill out. If you would've read Christina's post properly before firing from the hip (and especially the part I requoted below) you would've realised that she is not saying what you claim she is saying. Instead, she is confronting us with the rhetorics and unvoiced or implicit opinions that sometimes seem to underlie attitudes about techno. (btw, apologies to Christina if I misrepresented her) - > > True, but this flies in the face of the dearly held notion that techno is > > intellectually, if not morally, superior to other genres of dance music. > > Now, > > before i'm impaled, I'm not saying it is or isn't. - > Dearly held? Like it or not, and justified or not, but techno has always been surrounded by an air of (pseudo-)intellectualism, much more so than house, drum 'n bass, trance and what have you. To non-techno people this can quite easily come across as an air of superiority. Have you ever noticed that in a crowd with varying dance music tastes, (Detroit) techno people rarely have to defend themselves, whereas, say trance people, usually do. Sometimes even without being prompted: "I love trance...but I like other stuff too" or "I love trance, but only as party music" type of replies. More generally speaking, we (i.e. the 313 crowd) have to go through a lot more trouble to experience the music we like, compared to someone who's perfectly happy with MTV and the Billboard chart. Because of that, we tend to experience our music much more intensely and that way it becomes a small, sometimes large, part of our identity. And as a sense of identity is extremely important to a human being, we try to defend that identity as much as we can, hence the implicitly implied superiority (if it wasn't better, then why buy it?). And usually this defending happens by making a mountain out a molehill as far as differences with other, but closely related 'identities' are concerned. For instance, most people on this list do not hate trash metal with nearly the same passion with which they hate trance, even though musically speaking it's much closer to techno. This is not a phenomenon particular to techno btw: ask a Slayer fan about Whitesnake, a Rachmaninov fan about Nigel Kennedy, a Charles Mingus fan about Wynton Marsalis and see what responses you get... (note how I've just nicely confirmed the aura of pseudo-intellectualism surrounding techno...*sigh*) > Hopelessly biased? Are you saying you're not biased about techno? You are completely neutral and open-minded? You take, say Paul Oakenfold or Fatboy Slim, equally serious as your average Detroit artist? > Revolutionary? http://www.ele-mental.org/ele_ment/said&did/mike.banks.speaks.html Finally: > This is musical racism, and you might as well be Hitler. Cue Godwin's Law: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." or more appriopriately here, its most common mutation: "when such a reference or comparison occurs, *meaningful* discussion is over." See: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.10/godwin.if.html http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/ http://www.xent.com/mar98/0250.html Otto PS Here's my own corollary of Godwin's Law: "The probability of a Nazi comparison is proportional to the speed of replying"
