Re: (313) Interdimensional Transmissions party
Could always come up to portland for the april 6th show we doimg with claude. Not the same with bmg and erika but if u need your claude fix we here. :) On Mar 25, 2012 10:27 AM, "Patrick Wacher" wrote: > Airfares from SFO aren't looking very pleasant at the moment *sigh* > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:16 AM, David Powers wrote: > > I'm trying to go. > > I've Heard really good things about Erika's DJing skills actually! > > > > ~David > > > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Patrick Wacher > wrote: > >> Anyone going to this? If the airline gods are kind, I'd love to check > this > >> out. > >> > >> Claude Young > >> BMG > >> Erika > >> > >> Friday 13th, April > >> > >> > http://interdimensionaltransmissions.com/events/2012-04-13/brother-from-another-planet > >> > >> - Patrick > >> >
Re: (313) re (313) DG
Fred Heutte wrote: I see I hit a nerve on DG :) Y'all can say what you want but in 93-94 Donald was playing serious Detroit stuff. Being polite about it, DG is a "character" and there are a lot of stories, but i always revert to what a friend used to say: "believe half of what you see and none of what you hear." yea i would say it annoy's the hell out of me...lol cause donald NEVER represented detroit in seattle/portland...and was heavely into his funky breaks...i know donald would play a random UR record here and there.but we threw half of the parties in seattle back in 92-95...and i whitnessed donald kill a party vibe in less than 3 minutes, more than i can count on my 2 handsnever was it more frustrating to be enojoying a nice night of music by someone say like jon williams(organized noise) or mark farina back when he played loads of acid music, they would have the party jus popin off... and here would come donald...not even booked to play...have a talk to the promoternext thing u know someone would be asking the current dj to step off the turntables to let donald onit happened with doc martin a few times and led to some infighting between crowds and styles of music... basically in the NW which is much different that cali.. there was the house schene/style which was chicago/ny/detroit baised stuff with progressive uk thrown in for times sake...and the other side of the scene..which was breakbeat/hardcore rave/progressive stuff.and for the portland/seattle scene quickfix (later from bc) quidity & bliss from portland, d-lyte & hebegeebe from seattle were the ones who leaned more to chi/detroit/ny with outside help from doc martin which at the time was ON FIRE playing mostly chi/det/ny , the other side was all about breakbeats/ego's donald/spun/and the wicked crew when they came to seattle/portland they played heavy breaks except thomas who in the NW played usally more like doc martin and had many sweet setsbasically that sums up the scene/styles of the NW back from 91-95... i remember sooo many promoter who hated donald and did'nt want to book him but were somehow forced to as they always ended up letting him play.i always attributed it to the social circles and the other things happening at the parties...and people jus wanted to hear him when i finally met Mike Grant later on, and he told me that he had given donald some wbmx mix tapes & let him know a few things...i just about shat..cause there is no trace of that ANYWHERE in donald...he was a club jock before he got into underground parties...and worked at a decent record shop in tacoma...he bought LOADS of records and most of what was coming out at the time...so yea he has some sweet records..but for the life of me i still have not heard him play hardly ANY of themexcept when doc/spun/yeno/thomas/farina would come to town and drop certain recordsdonald would play them the following week as to let people know.."look at me i have the same record that killed the party last week right here" but never played it untill someone else didalways a trend rider and followernever pioneered anything here in the NW except some old club culture in seattle and maybe helping the bad part of the rave scene survive so say what ever what u want fred but i was at/SAW alot of those parties where donald was and usally left about 15 min into his sets but he played like 3 parties in a night so it was hard to get away from him. ok sorry for the rant..lol NW struggle in a nut shell...and now sadly on topic as paxahau actually brought it back to mei thought i ran far enough away...lol all the way to detroit...the one place i never thought i would have to worry about him being around...haha been to every festival except the first one...me=no go this year for sure :-( michael - - Original Message - From: "Klaas-Jan Jongsma" Just wondering but is this the same guy who had something to do with this: http://interimlover.livejournal.com/386142.html It's the same guy, but it's doubtful he had anything to do with that b.s. Donald's a showboat but is not a bad guy. Unless he's done a 180 in the past few years, he's respectful and would wait his turn. The club owner and/or security pulled that crap on their own, with *zero* input on ~any~ level from Donald, imo. What Renegade808 said below about Donald's dj-ing and selection is spot on, however. The bit about biting Spun is a bullseye. Playing 'Punisher' a half-dozen times in one's 'career' does not qualify as having done any "serious justice" to Detroit techno. seek
Re: (313) it's a rave in hart plaza
Fred Heutte wrote: >But this is fine. I'm glad to see my ole buddy Donald Glaude is >on the list. Whatever else you can say about Donald (and there >is a lot) he'll bring a lot of energy to his set. Donald's the >first west coast DJ I ever saw (circa 1993) doing serious justice >to Detroit techno. No matter what he brings he'll do it proper . . . >or we'll kick his butt > OH My Godgive me a break fred..i have been around in the NW since the scene started here just about, and have NEVER heard donald play ANYTHING worth a crap except the few network breakbeats that crossed overie "report to the dance floor"...ect... which he was jus jakin dj spuns style anyhow or maybe the RANDOM house set. donald is a joke and has been the source of almost EVERY bad party here in the NWcant believe someone is paying him 5g to play this crap festivalhe is the absolut WRONG choice to play this festival...they jus trying to attract the rave clucks to make the money and not loose there ass..which is another disscussion... but as for donald..he is a joke and i know u are very diverse in your tastes in music...but pleasedonald has ruined countless parties for me and many others here in the NW...and now he is gonna shat all over the festival...just can believe the paxahau fell for his crapy hype and highered himwhat a joke...donald = BIG headache..maybe its just me...and these are my own opinions... but just about anyone who was into detroit/chicago music in the NW has hated donald cause he always played against that style...only time he ever played anything good was in the late 80's when he played a bit of acid music...but who was'nt at the time...he rides trends...and a joke of a dj...very suprised to see you saying any good words about this guy...joke sorry this jus annoy's me michael
Re: (313) it's a rave in hart plaza
Fred Heutte wrote: >But this is fine. I'm glad to see my ole buddy Donald Glaude is >on the list. Whatever else you can say about Donald (and there >is a lot) he'll bring a lot of energy to his set. Donald's the >first west coast DJ I ever saw (circa 1993) doing serious justice >to Detroit techno. No matter what he brings he'll do it proper . . . >or we'll kick his butt > OH My Godgive me a break fred..i have been around in the NW since the scene started here just about, and have NEVER heard donald play ANYTHING worth a crap except the few network breakbeats that crossed overie "report to the dance floor"...ect... which he was jus jakin dj spuns style anyhow or maybe the RANDOM house set. donald is a joke and has been the source of almost EVERY bad party here in the NWcant believe someone is paying him 5g to play this crap festivalhe is the absolut WRONG choice to play this festival...they jus trying to attract the rave clucks to make the money and not loose there ass..which is another disscussion... but as for donald..he is a joke and i know u are very diverse in your tastes in music...but pleasedonald has ruined countless parties for me and many others here in the NW...and now he is gonna shat all over the festival...just can believe the paxahau fell for his crapy hype and highered himwhat a joke...donald = BIG headache..maybe its just me...and these are my own opinions... but just about anyone who was into detroit/chicago music in the NW has hated donald cause he always played against that style...only time he ever played anything good was in the late 80's when he played a bit of acid music...but who was'nt at the time...he rides trends...and a joke of a dj...very suprised to see you saying any good words about this guy...joke sorry this jus annoy's me michael
Re: (313) radioshow
>> NEW MUSIC >> ARMANDO GALLOP & STEVE POINDEXTER - BLACKHOLES - MUZIQUE > > Ehum? New? What is this some form of after live techno? :) > > I suppose this is an old recording, anyone here who heard this already? If i remember correct, i believe the Armando/Steve Poindexter track on this release is a Sun God re-edit/ re-construction of a unreleased Armando/Steve Poindexter project from 1990 the other tracks on the compilation are all newer tracks from various newer artists, including me :-) hope that helps... michael www.renegaderhythms.com
Re: (313) Re: In-Sync (was Frank De Wulf)
it's surprising to hear that Peacefrog and/or Joe > Lewis is releasing another artists work and not giving any credit to the > original producers. it would seem that if you look into the true history of the Chicago music biz, that it is something that has been going on for along timepeople stealing/borrowing other people's tracks or whatever you wanna call it.and the labels usally dont care cause all they want to do is get the music out, or with some labels they just want the money/record sales. i know i have gone/going through this recently with a "head" from Chicago. at least the label im dealing with is proper and taking care of business correct since they found out the truth. but i also know some labels dont really go out of there way to corret the problems of stolen tracks cause they usally have to come out of the pocket for re-press's, money, ect.and alot of people dont even care who did what unless its a major/high profile artist involved, cause they know nothing really will happen. and on the rare occasion that the artist does get it taken care of. no one will remember the original artist anyhow...just the guy who stole the track and the label its on.. wack if u ask me... michael www,renegaderhythms.com
Re: (313) Swing/"Jive" Jazz samples
not sure if this is what you are talking about..but i have an Armando album with a track on it called "Real Jazz" from the one world one future album. its just one track, but definatly swingin.also a track on the Madhouse Compilation " a basement, a red light and a feelin' by Keri Chandler is very swingin jazz.i believe the track is called "the way it was" not many but its what came to my mind when i thought of swingin jazz tracksalthough im sure there are many more... michael www.renegaderhythms.com > On Wed, October 26, 2005 7:57 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> wondering what other tracks are out there that use swing jazz samples? >
RE: (313) Record Time
errr.i'm not starting any rumour's here. i have said basically what alot of people on this list said...that record time (roseville) CLOSED the dance room and its a shame. im not pushing anyone out of a job, i believe its recordtime, and lack of record sales doing that. michael > I'm a bit confused over all this talk that Record time has 'packed up' the > dance room... I know Mike was in the Record Time Roseville... and it is > definitely a bit of a shock that he no longer works there... but saying > that they've 'packed up' the dance room is going to hurt the dance music > sales they will still do from the Record Time Ferndale location... Don't > push the rest of the guys like Vince Patricola out of a job by starting > rumours that there will no longer be dance music sales!! > > Jodie > > -Original Message- > From: Renegade808 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 06 October 2005 22:17 > To: Fred Heutte > Cc: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) Record Time > > > Yea i have to agree. Mike Huckaby was a big force behind alot of the > music at record time. When he called me a week or so ago to let me know he > was done there, i thought he was kidding at first. I hope Mike moves on to > better things. He really deserves it. > > I know record time was never the end all be all record source, but i > picked up many gems out of that place. as well as met loads of people > there...I used to do mail order from record time back around 94 and have > alot of great records because of it. i loved those days I am sad that > they have packed the dance room up. alot of history there. but i guess its > just a sign of the times...or something... > > > > michael > www.renegaderhythms.com > > > >> wow . . . >> >> I never did all that well shopping at RT but unquestionably it >> was a highlight of many of my visits to the D (I met Terrence >> Parker there for the first time in 1995, just to name one example), >> and a hugely important connecting point for those serious-about- >> the-music. Plus it seems like at least half of y'all in town >> worked there one time or another :) >> >> Give it up for Mike Huckaby. I hope he lands at a good spot. >> In my observation, nobody has done more than Mike to keep the >> music going. >> >> >> >> Fred >> >> > >
RE: (313) Record Time
Yea i have to agree. Mike Huckaby was a big force behind alot of the music at record time. When he called me a week or so ago to let me know he was done there, i thought he was kidding at first. I hope Mike moves on to better things. He really deserves it. I know record time was never the end all be all record source, but i picked up many gems out of that place. as well as met loads of people there...I used to do mail order from record time back around 94 and have alot of great records because of it. i loved those days I am sad that they have packed the dance room up. alot of history there. but i guess its just a sign of the times...or something... michael www.renegaderhythms.com > wow . . . > > I never did all that well shopping at RT but unquestionably it > was a highlight of many of my visits to the D (I met Terrence > Parker there for the first time in 1995, just to name one example), > and a hugely important connecting point for those serious-about- > the-music. Plus it seems like at least half of y'all in town > worked there one time or another :) > > Give it up for Mike Huckaby. I hope he lands at a good spot. > In my observation, nobody has done more than Mike to keep the > music going. > > > > Fred > >
Re: (313)OT Kanye Revisited
I'm not trying to start anything...just trying to discuss rationally my feeling on a moderator >From what i know Kent is a nice person with a level head. This is not about Kent...jus about a list moderator, whoever it is. No one that i ever recall has moderated this list. I've been on here for years and have never heard anyone say what Kent did in his last post. ahh who knows maybe i have not paid close enough attention matt kane's brain said: "Also notice that he makes no threats of kicking anyone, period. " actually a week or so ago when Tom Cox attacked someone (like normal)...Kent came on and in no certain words threatened to remove him from the list if he did not stop his behavior.and yes maybe Tom deserved that. But where do we draw the linelike i said jus trying to rationally discuss this without attacking anyone. michael www.renegaderhythms.com > Renegade808 wrote: > >>well i dont really have a problem with anyone on this list...i have had >> it >>out with alex a few times (all in good spirits). But i never knew we had >> a >>moderator... >> >> > We've always had a moderator, at least in theory. I think it was George > Smiley, then Matt MacQueen and I don't who the stealth den mothers have > been. > Kent would make an excellent mommy, in my opinion. :-) Spare the rod > and spoil the childrens. > > > jeff > ps > can I get get up and get a drink of water? > >
Re: RE: (313)OT Kanye Revisited
well i dont really have a problem with anyone on this list...i have had it out with alex a few times (all in good spirits). But i never knew we had a moderator... In my opinion this kinda sucks...nothing against Kent Williams (think i even met u in the D this year) But does this mean when Kent thinks something is on topic its ok to talk about it and if he says No then we can't? That to me seems kinda wrong. It means we can only discuss what Kent or any other moderator wants us too? Am i not understanding this correctly. jus seems kinda bunk as i am sure anyone on this list has there own opinions as to what should be heard and what should not be heard. I kinda agree with joe on this Kanye West has nothing to do with 313 as do alot of people who have been discussed on this list. At times its a english social hour with rants about places and things and cultures having NOTHING to do with 313 techno. I did'nt even pipe up when there was the tread about miners in the U.K and old U.K history...lol it seems easy...jus keep the focus on Detroit. I am on ALOT of mailing lists and the more off topic posts i have to delete the better.The hurricane is kind of an exception as things like that are naturally gonna make it to most lists in some sort of way as alot of people are effected. I dont know i just dont like the idea that someone can come over the 313 and be like "I dont like what you are saying so kill the tread or your kicked" I liked it when we could solve our own problems.but hey who knows maybe 313 has gotten so outta control this is what we need?? just annother rant...lol michael www.renegaderhythms.com > As one of the Stealth Administrators of the 313 list, let me step in > and say this: > > 1. A complaint about an off topic post isn't particularly on-topic > either, and should be avoided. If you think a discussion has veered > too far from the putative topic of the 313 list, drop me a line > privately. I will either admonish the off-topic-ees to cool it, or > make an executive decision to let the thread die of its own accord. > > 2. A Post that complain about posts complaining about posts that are > off topic are the second derivative of an off topic post, and are even > anything less interesting than the chain of posts that engendered it. > > I shall return to the shadows now. As you were. >
Re: (313) Robert Moog
Yea Bob Moog is such an important part of moden music. It seems as of a couple of days ago he has taken a turn for the worse. Here is the link to his diary page where his family is keeping the public informed. You can also post your best wishes if u feel like it. http://www.caringbridge.com/cb/inputSiteName.do?method=search&siteName=bobmoog If you take time and read through some of the guestbook. you can see Bob has touched alot of people, even many who have nothing to do the world of synths. He is truly a special man who definatly realized the connection between man and machine. a few years ago mike huckaby sold his memory moog to my brother and it sat in my house for the last 3 years (now its at my other brothers house..lol). Everytime i turn it on and mess with it its hard not to break out in a ear to ear grin at the pure raw moog tone lets hope the best for him michael > a bit of sad news to wake up to this morning. When it > comes to Electronic Music, I place Bob Moog one step > directly above Kraftwerk. > > Musician Robert Moog diagnosed with brain tumor > > By Paul Clark > Asheville Citizen-Times > STAFF WRITER > published: August 18, 2005 6:00 am > > ASHEVILLE Robert Moog, whose Moog synthesizers > charted a new course for music in the late 1960s, has > a brain tumor that may be inoperable, according to a > Web site that keeps friends and fans abreast of his > treatment. > > Moog, 71, felt the first symptoms in his arm in late > March, his wife, Ileana Grams, professor of philosophy > emeritus at UNC Asheville, wrote on CaringBridge.com. > > By the end of a lovely trip to Alaska, it was bad > enough to check in with his doctor. The MRI showed the > tumor on April 28, she said. > > Bob went for a second opinion at Duke on May 10 and > was told that it was inoperable because of the > location. On May 16, he had a biopsy at Duke. He > started to lose leg function a few days later. By May > 27, he could no longer use his left leg. > > Grams wrote that Moogs tumor is a glioblastoma > multiforme, which the Web site emedicine.com states is > a malignant tumor for which no significant advances > in treatment have developed in the last 25 years. Most > therapies lessen suffering, and patients with the best > of care can expect to live about a year after > diagnosis, the Web site states. > > Moog has settled on a course of conventional and > nutritional therapy, according to the family messages > on the Web site. The Citizen-Times was unable to > contact the family Wednesday. > > Its as you would expect, an extremely difficult time > for them, said Han Fjellestad, who directed the > documentary Moog, shown at the Asheville Film > Festival last November. Fjellestad receives > > e-mails from Grams every couple of weeks updating > Moogs condition. > > This summers pretty much all about his treatment and > the various therapies that theyve decided on, > Fjellestad said from his home in San Diego. Its a > shock, obviously. Bob has a lot more to offer to the > world of music and even outside the world of music. I > really hope hes able to continue his work. > > In 1954 at 19, Moog began building early forms of > electronic instruments. Ten years later, he introduced > the synthesizer. Moog synthesizers were used on the > Beatles Abbey Road, by George Clinton and > Parliament-Funkadelic and by fusion jazz artists Chick > Corea and Herbie Hancock. Moog, who lives in > Asheville, received a Technical Grammy in 2002. > > Michael Adams, president of Moog Music, said its > premature to say what Moogs condition might mean > for the Riverside Drive company, where the instruments > are made. > > We are all here working hard to honor the 50 years > that he put into this business, Adams said. We are > just staying focused on what were doing in the hopes > that he recovers and that his genius is felt again. > > Contact Clark at 232-5854 or > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ON THE NET: To follow family updates on Robert Moogs > condition, go to > > www.caringbridge.com. > > To learn more about Robert Moogs inventions, go to > www.moogmusic.com. > > http://www.drumtopia.com/news/04_09/Moog_Movie_Music.html >
Re: (313) Al Ester?
As far as i know, Al Ester is an Oldschool house jock outta Detroit. Seems as though he was not really involved in the "Techno Movement" out of Detroit in the 90's , but has been a part of the Detroit club scene for years... i love the tiny little runout track on the POD record of Kenny Larkin. Its got a tape recorded phone message with some lady and Al Ester in the back round talkingits a funny little clip "Al Ester is the baddest house dj in Detroit" michael > He's playing at a new spot here in sf on the 27th. Anyone got some info on > him > for me? It looks like these guys are bringing out the beatdown crew at > large, > Mike Clark on Sept. 10th and Norm Talley at some point. > >
Re: (313) Q
Actually i am sitting here looking at my 2x12" vinyl copy and it has Q on it, its on the same side as wires. it has always been one of my favoritesand i play it out alot.the 7" has the same track on the A and B side.but different mixes of the same tracki believe thats the wondering tracki cant find my 7" right now... michael www.renegaderhythms.com > > > > Q isn't on the vinyl LP but it is on the 7" that came with it. I think > it's a different mix than the one on the CD. You also get the track > "Wondering" which is not on the CD. > > MEK > > > > > robin > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ctric.com> To >"Odeluga, Ken" > 01/05/05 08:53 AM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc >"Marsel // Nomorewords.net" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "313" ><313@hyperreal.org> >Subject >Re: (313) Q > > > > > > > > > > > > i'd hazard a guess that the cd would be easier to find than the vinyl, > and the cd is where you'll find Q. don't think it was on the vinyl. > > i lent this cd (one of the few things i've bought on cd esp. from that > era) to a mate and now i've lost touchaargh > > robin... > > On 5 Jan 2005, at 14:34, Odeluga, Ken wrote: > > > *If* you can find it - which is not very easy, although not quite > > impossible (yet)! > > > > k > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Marsel // Nomorewords.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 29 December 2004 14:10 > > To: 313 > > Subject: (313) Q > > > > > > since it's banging over the 100th time already thrugh my home over the > > last > > months (a re-discovery), > > i thought, maybe more people want to grab that kenny larkin' azimuth > > album > > again, to play loud loud loud > > that track called 'Q' > > > > > > > > > > > >
RE: (313) Where's Alex?
"I hope he's not been scared away by the sourpus brigade" i dont think alex would just run away from a little heated discussion..in fact i think he liked them.so the "sourpus brigade did'nt scare him away.i think he just got bored not sure if i am suppose to post a private email, but its not ill intended or hurting anyone so.. here is what he mailed to me after our last exchange.. michael Mike. Its all cool. I unsubbed anyway, I got a few messages lately saying stop being a dick, and well, I cant help myself, so thought it best really - I'm only going to start winding people up more I guess. anyways, believe it or not I've enjoyed our heated exchanges over the years! take care alex > > -Original Message- > From: Mann, Ravinder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:36 PM > To: 'Dan Bean'; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) Where's Alex? > > > To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to > http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm > > > > 2nded. Im sure he has his reasons. > > -Original Message- > From: Dan Bean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 21 December 2004 15:27 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) Where's Alex? > > >> He's not on 313 any more... > > And it's a damn shame imo. > # > Note: > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not > necessarily represent > those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. > This email > and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use > of the > individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received > this email in > error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Thank You. > # >
Re: (313) OT: TB-303 and TR-606 fonts!
cool fontsnice to have a 303 font :-) never know when you might need them.do they have anymore classic synth fonts on this site? kinda looked but not sure... i'm looking for a Sequential Circuits fontand maybe and Arp one. michael www.renegaderhythms.com > http://createdigitalmusic.com/index.php? > option=com_content&task=view&id=106&Itemid=44 > > Which in turn links to > > http://www.fonts.com/findfonts/detail.asp?pid=402096 > > and > > http://www.fonts.com/findfonts/detail.asp?pid=402098 > > - Greg (Tastes Great! At Les! Tastes Great! At Les!) > >
Re: (313) At Les
if someone told me that i don't get "it" because i dont like a classic track...well to me that stinks of arrogance...not everyone has to think "__" track is a classic...and i was just letting yussel know my opinion of thatso why should you care did i say something to you just go back underneath your rock and let me bicker and whine just like everyone else on this dang list!!!moral watchdog??? ha ha now thats funny, i dont think so i'll leave that up to the others who feel its there role to protect the innocent michael www.renegaderhythms.com > > > geesh ... so after your rather successful alex rant you are the new > moral watchdog round here eh? > > let me see.. geesh yussel's opinion is not the end all be all > opinion for everyone . some agree and i'm sure some obviously don't > GET IT? > > jesus christ ... i get told all the time here in vienna that in the > anglo-saxon sphere (contrary to for example continental europe), at > least in academic circles, debaters are perfectly used to use sharp > attacks, absolute negations, controversial statements, though > arguments... tough in giving & tough in taking... so please try to > comply and give a fvcking straight retort (softened by irony if you > wish & can, hey alex i miss you, get out of your cave!) to an > opinion you don't like instead of whining about it's partiality > > > > Renegade808 wrote: > > At Les is not the end all be all track for everyonesome love it and > i > am sure obviously some don'teveryone hears differently.just > because someone does'nt agree does'nt mean they don't get it. > > and no one has to see Innerzone live to understand it either (maybe this > is what you had to do to understand it). the original track is on wax > and i would say its a good representation of the track...like i said some > feel it and some don't. i like the track and other CC stuff but i > would'nt go telling peeps they don't get it if they don't like the same > tracks i do..geesh > > michael > www.renegaderhythms.com > > > > > > > > > > what's with the undying love > > > wow- a little overdramatic, yeah? > > what's with the "love" of anything you like? > > i just really like the track. i think those opening chords are as classic > as anything from the genre. And so does CC as he rerecorded it with > Innerzone Orchestra and repeatedly stated that he viewed the song as one > of his "standards" > > > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: > > > > did i miss the memo? ive never thought at les was all that > remarkable really, especially compared to other things CC has > done. whats with the undying love for this track? > > tom > > > andythepooh.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: (313) At Les
i hear yahey at least this time we are all bickering about something that is very 313 related :-) michael www.renegaderhythms.com > i only said that to turn the screws since Thomas for some reson seems > exceptionally opposed to the track. > > ah- this is the 313 i know and love. > > > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Renegade808 wrote: > >> At Les is not the end all be all track for everyonesome love it and >> i >> am sure obviously some don'teveryone hears differently.just >> because someone does'nt agree does'nt mean they don't get it. >> >> and no one has to see Innerzone live to understand it either (maybe this >> is what you had to do to understand it). the original track is on >> wax >> and i would say its a good representation of the track...like i said >> some >> feel it and some don't. i like the track and other CC stuff but i >> would'nt go telling peeps they don't get it if they don't like the same >> tracks i do..geesh >> >> michael >> www.renegaderhythms.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >>what's with the undying love >> > >> > wow- a little overdramatic, yeah? >> > >> > what's with the "love" of anything you like? >> > >> > i just really like the track. i think those opening chords are as >> classic >> > as anything from the genre. And so does CC as he rerecorded it with >> > Innerzone Orchestra and repeatedly stated that he viewed the song as >> one >> > of his "standards" >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: >> > >> >> did i miss the memo? ive never thought at les was all that >> >> remarkable really, especially compared to other things CC has >> >> done. whats with the undying love for this track? >> >> >> >> tom >> >> >> >> >> >> andythepooh.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >
Re: (313) At Les
At Les is not the end all be all track for everyonesome love it and i am sure obviously some don'teveryone hears differently.just because someone does'nt agree does'nt mean they don't get it. and no one has to see Innerzone live to understand it either (maybe this is what you had to do to understand it). the original track is on wax and i would say its a good representation of the track...like i said some feel it and some don't. i like the track and other CC stuff but i would'nt go telling peeps they don't get it if they don't like the same tracks i do..geesh michael www.renegaderhythms.com > >>what's with the undying love > > wow- a little overdramatic, yeah? > > what's with the "love" of anything you like? > > i just really like the track. i think those opening chords are as classic > as anything from the genre. And so does CC as he rerecorded it with > Innerzone Orchestra and repeatedly stated that he viewed the song as one > of his "standards" > > > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: > >> did i miss the memo? ive never thought at les was all that >> remarkable really, especially compared to other things CC has >> done. whats with the undying love for this track? >> >> tom >> >> >> andythepooh.com >> >> >> >> >> >
Re: (313) uk / intelligent techno
now this is a topic i truly love.great techno, and definatly some of my favorite stuffb12 is some of my favorite as well as some of the early apollo releases (r&s sub) also,i was always into early sun electric stuff as well.as far as Florence...there is 1 track on the Dominions album that is one of my all time favorites.but i really dig this sound of techno. now this question, and maybe i am stupid but what happened to all of itseems like in 93 there was a steady flow of this type of musicthen it all dissapeared except Aphex Twin and Autechre (genereralizing here) but you know what i mean alot of it stopped flowing.. nothing sounded better after listening to 8-10 hours of great techno/house at a warehouse party then to come home light one up and chill to the sounds of Artificial Intelligence 1 , Selected Ambient Works 85-92 or Beaumont Hannant..those were good times, and great beats michael www.renegaderhythms.com > > On 10-dec-04, at 18:19, dinamica wrote: > >> I've been organizing my collection latelly and got quite nostalgic >> after >> listening to: >> >> Likemind 02 >> Florence: Occurences >> BDP: Bytes >> Reload: A collection of ... >> Stasis: Point of no return >> >> IMHO, These are very high points of the UK / Intelligent techno genre. >> I am wondering which are your faves in this genre and if there are >> any new stuff that can rival these records. >> BTW, is this Nuron/Fugue discography complete? >> www.discogs.com/artist/Nuron >> And where has Nurmad Jusat been? Any chance of him producing more >> music? > > Hmpf! Last time i checked Florence lived in Holland :) I would like to > add both B12's Soma Electra and Time Tourist albuma. Autechre's > Incunanubla is also in there, same goed for the Polygon Window album, > Selected Ambient Works part I. Then there is The Philosophy Of Sound > And Machine on ART. Most of Beaumont Hannant's stuff is great to, Then > there are Luke Slater The 7th Plain albums... oh the list is endless! > > I always thought that Nuron = Paul W. Teebrooke = Phenomyna = Stasis = > Steve Pickton? > > KJ > >
Re: (313) A possible reason for so much off-topic...
Alex I was not really refering to you when taking about "cool guy records" or anyone in particular but hey if the shoe fits wear it..i was GENERALLY talking about the list discussions overall.i am just pointing out something that happens over and over (as in kdj threads).it just seems like many things get talked about repeatedly.i just figured people would catch on and kinda be like hey we have already covered this like 50 times lets move on.. the things i WAS refering to you about were some of the dumb ass threads you start (in my opinion)not all of them are dumb , but some are VERY off topic.and i am not saying it is just you, but since you seem to have a problem with me and the things i post, than i will direct this at you i guessi aint saying you cant post whatever you want but manif your bored at work please keep from junking up my mailbox and others with dumb threads about how people who talk over records should be poked in the eye or whatever you feel like talking about on a monday morning. half of the time i post its just my thoughts or opinions on whatever it is we are talking abouti am not trying to be the correct one or the 313 leader... just sharing my thoughts which is what i thought this list is about so unless i say something directly to you alex than quit jumping down my throat any time i say something. and if your wondering why it is i lurk most of the time and don't participate well this should be a good indication as to why.attitude all over this listand yea including mine i am not moaning at all, just pointing out a few things...sorry if you don't like italex michael www.renegaderhythms.com > Mike. > > Try bringing up this talk yourself instead of waiting for others to do it, > and then sitting there moaning about it when no one else does it. > > And regards "cool guy" records. I'm talking about the s**t I can come > across from, you know, the local record shop - no where else. > Besides, I always thought peeps might want to know about the new bits - I > do in reverse, the bits I dont have then I can make a note to look for. > > Moan moan moan moan, And then do nothing about it. Good one. > _ > - End of message text > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in > their individual, non-business capacity and > is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. > > PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor > outgoing and incoming e-mails and other > telecommunications on its e-mail and > telecommunications systems. By replying > to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. > >
Re: (313) A possible reason for so much off-topic...
now i fully agree with this it seems like the majority of the discussions are about the latest ugly edit or moodyman track and why it is ok or not ok to bootleg it or pay 20 pounds/dollars for it or just stupid off topic rants that have nothing to do with 313..meanwhile a good amount of techno is released and goes unnoticed for about 2 weeks untill someone finally brings its up. now there is nothing wrong with theo and kdj record discussions i love these guys and we support the 3 chairs here in portland...but i myself have seen basically the same thread over and over conserning these guys..but man i dont know the last time someone did a review/opinion of a tunnel 7 track...see in MY OPINION it seems like alot of people just want to collect cool 313 records and let the list know they own them..its almost like a cool contest or something you cant be taken serious unless you have ugly edits 1-7 and kdj # whateverand don't you dare comment on someone unless you have these special limited tracks..yea some on this list know more than others, but who careslets try to include THE WHOLE LIST not just the ones who have accsess to the limited cool guy records ..i just would like to talk about 313 techno/ or 313 techno related stuff more often instead of the price of a beer in manchester or what stupid english slang words mean...or how anyone who talks over there records need to be poked in the eye, all of it is just plain stupidity.. my 2 dollars worth.a penny dont get you [EMAIL PROTECTED] anymore michael www.renegaderhythms.com > On 9-dec-04, at 15:47, robin wrote: > >> in terms of detroit releases i think there's been a shift in detroits >> output from techno to house in recent years. > > Agreed but.. > >> i'd be happy to discuss dj bone or gary martin or any other of the >> more 'electric' releases coming from the d tho. both of whom have had >> some great releases this year. >> >> just had a thought: maybe the fact that UR have gone off the boil in >> some peoples eyes (mine one of em) has left 313 techno with a slight >> lack of focus? > > Well i still love most of the UR releases :) but besides that. There > has been enough detroit techno, only no one hardly mentions it on this > list. People keep on discussing house no one hardly ever mention > Puzzlebox releases here or Tunnel 7 or that new label Plan A etc. > There is still a lot of good techno coming out lately. Almost no one > mentioned the new 154 album on delsin, or stuff on headspace, emoticon, > 100% pure (yes back in business). > > just a thought to... > >
Re: (313)any good acid (was Classic.... BNP christmas Party hires black DJ.
yea, thats a re-edit that came out...they are done by Brendan (BMG) i believe the first 2 releases came out like 2 years ago...or maybe 1 1/2 years ago..i believe he used land of confusion with 808 state's flow coma as well as some aphex twin or something like that..but hell yea Armando is my all time fav hands down as well as the Armando & Mike Dunn stuff. heard anything else??? michael www.renegaderhythms.com > > > > > i have - i listened to armando's 'confusion's revenge' while i was > dressing > this morning. > > last week jeff mills played a snippet of it. i figured he just dropped it > in for 20 seconds over another track. but then on saturday night, the > local > dj before kenny larkin played the same song. so there's some mash > up/re-edit/mix or whatever using 'confusions' revenge'. anyway, it's a > crap > track and i wanted to hear the real thing and remind myself how beautiful > armando's stuff is. > > oh yeah, and then on my walk into work i listened to placid's classics not > classics no.4 mix of chicago tracks. excellent mix. > james > www.jbucknell.com > > > > > > > "Renegade808" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > thms.com> To >"Kent Williams" > 07/12/04 11:52 PM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc >"list 313" <313@hyperreal.org> >Subject >Re: (313) Classic BNP christmas >Party hires black DJ. > > > > > > > > > > > Uhh UK politics on a 313 list man whats nextyea and everyone > thinks America is the only country that elects racists regularly... > > > what happened to the basslines and sick drumtracks???man...i think > i just need to go listen to a solid SQUARE waveshape for a few hours and > maybe i'll understand > > > anyone heard any good acid lately??? > > Michael > www.renegaderhythms.com > > > > ForwardSourceID:NT00016E86 > >
Re: (313) Classic.... BNP christmas Party hires black DJ.
Uhh UK politics on a 313 list man whats nextyea and everyone thinks America is the only country that elects racists regularly... what happened to the basslines and sick drumtracks???man...i think i just need to go listen to a solid SQUARE waveshape for a few hours and maybe i'll understand anyone heard any good acid lately??? Michael www.renegaderhythms.com > At least in the UK and the EU, they get the racists to form their own > political parties. In the US, they're the 'values' wing of the > Republican party. > > And yes this is probably off topic for 313, if 313 has any concept of > off topic left. > > > On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:40:08 -, placid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1200735.html >> >> p >> >> >
Re: (313) Claude's Laptop stolen
i can't believe this kinda stuff is going on.this is a damn shame.claude has had enough personal issues he has been working through and now thisman i hope someone finds and returns his laptop soon.this is just wrong. michael www.renegaderhythms.com > One or more unknown persons stole his Apple Notebook in the night between > 1st > and 2nd October and inflicted him a massive loss. > During or after his gig in the "Prison Club" Straßkirchen/Germany somebody > of > the people in the club stole his Notebook. > On the Apple Notebook are all tracks wich he requieres urgent to play on > his > next gigs, likewise all his private and business information, too. > This is an unbelievable loss in financial and private respect. Maybe all > following gigs have to be canceled, if the Notebook will not be recovered. > We ask for all, to contact mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] who know > something > about it. You can also use the contact form at http://www.claudeyoung.de > > Please propagate this mail... > > Thanks for your help > Prison Crew + Bikini BPM > > -- > Dimitri Pike > http://wildtek.free.fr > http://groups.msn.com/313TechnoMusic >
Re: (313) Underated Producers
so alex what makes you sit on your perch and talk smack.you don't know me or my crew or what we are about or who we supportso if you want to pick apart someones playlist that has'nt been updated since i don't even know when, then go ahead but your displaying your stupidity time and time again with this thread so if you have something to say about me or my crew say itand when you do i hope you know who your talking about...for once that would be niceno one ever directed anything at you you choose to take it that way , then thats on you.i do notice that your so quick to respond to things on this list you know nothing about and time and time again you look like and idiot trying to attack what you deem as correct..to tell you the truth i really dont care how you perceve me on this list but i am sure if we met face to face and discussed issues of this nature we probably would see eye to eye. but dont for a second think that someone else's ramblings/ opinions is my crew Renegade Rhythms stance...if you can read plain english, you are english correct?? i said i posted that email for a friend and i thought it was releventso how does that put me and my crew in the position of the evil people who support people like carl cox.GROW UP maybe you need to go to our website to find out who we have supported in the past (although we need to update it).cause i don't see [EMAIL PROTECTED] from you.except to use this list as your personal record spotter and to let people know how down you are..its annoying and so are you at times... i try not to ruffle many people's feathers on this list unless i feel its relevent to do so..so why are you attacking me and my crew? and by the way i am sure some people are tired of seeing this so maybe we sould take this private and yea your logic stinks and you assume to much If you ask me, at least with the likes of Tiesto etc you know where you > stand. He's a popular trance dj, and does his thing to the masses. > > Carl Cox on the other hand, is a complete band-wagon jumper, who changes > his micro style of music every few years or so to keep in with the kids. comparing one trance dj to the next and saying one is better than the other just to make your point relevent is hypocrisy at its finest but i would'nt expect anything else from you..trance is trance kiddo and i support none of it michael www.renegaderhythms.com > Tell you what. This got me thinking. > > (Yeah, yeah, I know that doesn't happen too often) > > Everyone bangs on about Tiesto etc. But bringing the conversation round a > little, I noticed that the now famous Dj Mani in his top 10 list of labels > name checked Intec (Carl Cox's label), and 2 of Billy Nasty's labels in > his > top 10. > > Now. This obviously proves DJ Mani is a total no-brainer, but also on > another level too. > If you ask me, at least with the likes of Tiesto etc you know where you > stand. He's a popular trance dj, and does his thing to the masses. > > Carl Cox on the other hand, is a complete band-wagon jumper, who changes > his micro style of music every few years or so to keep in with the kids. > > I forget how many times he's done it, but jesus. Billy Nasty is the same. > Their current little thing is so called 'techno' (that's hard dance music > to you and me) > and f**kwits like Dj Mani are lapping it up and spending their money on > it. > There's 101 other worthy UK labels he could spend his money with, and has > been for the last 15 years. > > Shame Dj Mani ignored all these and chose to spend his money with the > jokers. > > He speaks of battles etc, and boycotts, but flippin 'eck, all us here in > the UK have been battling against these jokers using the name techno from > the year dot. It's nothing new. > > These clowns ruined that word 'techno' (and had done by about '92), such > is > which we can't use it anymore. I don't use it anyway, do you? > > Hmm, sorry, more ramblings. > > And if you guys from Renegade Rhythm come back with a story like "well, me > and the advent were having tea and scones and they say Carl Cox is > alright", I'm gonna scream. > > Alex > > > _ > > - End of message text > > Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? > http://www.ifrs.co.uk > > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in > their individual, non-business capacity and > is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. > > PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor > outgoing and incoming e-mails and other > telecommunications on its e-mail and > telecommunications systems. By replying > to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. > >
Re: (313) Underated Producers
so alex what makes you sit on your perch and talk smack.you don't know me or my crew or what we are about or who we supportso if you want to pick apart someones playlist that has'nt been updated since i don't even know when, then go ahead but your displaying your stupidity time and time again with this thread so if you have something to say about me or my crew say itand when you do i hope you know who your talking about...for once that would be niceno one ever directed anything at you you choose to take it that way , then thats on you.i do notice that your so quick to respond to things on this list you know nothing about and time and time again you look like and idiot trying to attack what you deem as correct..to tell you the truth i really dont care how you perceve me on this list but i am sure if we met face to face and discussed issues of this nature we probably would see eye to eye. but dont for a second think that someone else's ramblings/ opinions is my crew Renegade Rhythms stance...if you can read plain english, you are english correct?? i said i posted that email for a friend and i thought it was releventso how does that put me and my crew in the position of the evil people who support people like carl cox.GROW UP maybe you need to go to our website to find out who we have supported in the past (although we need to update it).cause i don't see [EMAIL PROTECTED] from you.except to use this list as your personal record spotter and to let people know how down you are..its annoying and so are you at times... i try not to ruffle many people's feathers on this list unless i feel its relevent to do so..so why are you attacking me and my crew? and by the way i am sure some people are tired of seeing this so maybe we sould take this private and yea your logic stinks and you assume to much If you ask me, at least with the likes of Tiesto etc you know where you > stand. He's a popular trance dj, and does his thing to the masses. > > Carl Cox on the other hand, is a complete band-wagon jumper, who changes > his micro style of music every few years or so to keep in with the kids. comparing one trance dj to the next and saying one is better than the other just to make your point relevent is hypocrisy at its finest but i would'nt expect anything else from you..trance is trance kiddo and i support none of it michael www.renegaderhythms.com > Tell you what. This got me thinking. > > (Yeah, yeah, I know that doesn't happen too often) > > Everyone bangs on about Tiesto etc. But bringing the conversation round a > little, I noticed that the now famous Dj Mani in his top 10 list of labels > name checked Intec (Carl Cox's label), and 2 of Billy Nasty's labels in > his > top 10. > > Now. This obviously proves DJ Mani is a total no-brainer, but also on > another level too. > If you ask me, at least with the likes of Tiesto etc you know where you > stand. He's a popular trance dj, and does his thing to the masses. > > Carl Cox on the other hand, is a complete band-wagon jumper, who changes > his micro style of music every few years or so to keep in with the kids. > > I forget how many times he's done it, but jesus. Billy Nasty is the same. > Their current little thing is so called 'techno' (that's hard dance music > to you and me) > and f**kwits like Dj Mani are lapping it up and spending their money on > it. > There's 101 other worthy UK labels he could spend his money with, and has > been for the last 15 years. > > Shame Dj Mani ignored all these and chose to spend his money with the > jokers. > > He speaks of battles etc, and boycotts, but flippin 'eck, all us here in > the UK have been battling against these jokers using the name techno from > the year dot. It's nothing new. > > These clowns ruined that word 'techno' (and had done by about '92), such > is > which we can't use it anymore. I don't use it anyway, do you? > > Hmm, sorry, more ramblings. > > And if you guys from Renegade Rhythm come back with a story like "well, me > and the advent were having tea and scones and they say Carl Cox is > alright", I'm gonna scream. > > Alex > > > _ > > - End of message text > > Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? > http://www.ifrs.co.uk > > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in > their individual, non-business capacity and > is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. > > PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor > outgoing and incoming e-mails and other > telecommunications on its e-mail and > telecommunications systems. By replying > to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. > >
Re: (313) UR-055
looks like its not quite out yet but coming very soon..its in the mp3 preview section on the submerge site...here's a link http://www.submerge.com/2004/UR7-055_mp3.mp3 hope this helps michael www.renegaderhythms.com > http://www.discogs.com/release/330260 > > just saw this added to the discogs database. > anyone know where i might be able to find a copy? > no mention of it on http://www.submerge.com > > jurren > > _ > MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl > >
Re: (313) US / EU: Mani's knee jerk response
ok ok okalot of people have read into this WAY too much, and rightfully so. as when mani wrote it i know he was trying to get a reaction from it. we all know it was'nt the best way to say itbut like i said it was HIS words and i think he was TRYING to get a reaction, which some of you fell into hook line and sinkereven though it was not even directed at you or this list reallythe message was posted to this list as it was to MANY other lists i think in an effort to let people know that mani is changing how his agency does business For the last week mani and cisco from the advent have been sitting here at my house with other dj's/ promoters on the west coast disscusing this topic...i think anyone who heard it would understand the full context of all of this (at least those of you who have seen the American techno scene)it was not a europe bashing session...i mean jeeesh cisco was here and i would say is a good representative of the European techno scene...i mean cmon do you guys think we were all sitting around saying screw europe lets not support them. ohh except you cisco.. so once again i am sorry if this ruffled everyones feathers but a friend asked me to post it to this list and i do think its relevent..and don't you people think that i understand Europes inpact on the American scene i would invite anyone to look at my collectionI have what most people would consider alot of records and own huge sections of R&S,DJAX,BUZZ,TRESOR,WARP,NOVAMUTE,HARDWAX,as well as many otherrecords that i PAID for and i thank Europe and the people who made them in my head everytime i listen to one of those gems. for once it would be nice to see someone like Jason Brunton or many others, to come over to our neck of the woods and play a nice party for 2-3 thousand people who love techno so there now more tiesto bashing as i do think fred had a real good point ... Why fight over the crumbs when you should be blowing up the bakery and p.s i hate politics of the government kind so i aint even gonna try to address those issues as they are not mine... michael www.renegaderhythms.com >>Kamal wrote: >>"I can understand where people are coming from with their angry responses >>as a knee jerk reaction, I cannot see this stance holding water after a >>sober read of his initial post." > > I assure you that our response was not a knee jerk one, neither was our > reading of his original less than sober. It is his original post that was > anything but sober. While it is obvious that Mani spent a long time > considering his position, there is no indication that he spent nearly > enough > considering his post. > >>"on the same note i would say that if european promoters are >>getting the same treatment from american talent, STOP BOOKING THEM" > > You are correct in saying that we have the right to stop booking American > artists if we have been let down by them in the past. As does Mani with > European artists. And this is precisely what we have done. However this > was > not enough. It was then necessary to gather a greater understanding of > American artists and find perhaps lesser known artists who were and are > more > deserving of our support and booking fees. Simply shutting your doors is, > in > your words, a knee jerk reaction. I was not being merely flippant when I > suggested a trip to Europe might benefit Mani greatly. > >>"maybe his slogan should be "Saving America from bad manners". > > Certainly one way of saving yourself from bad manners is to never let > anyone > into your house again. But let it be no surprise to you that this act will > be considered the height of bad manners by a lot of perfectly mannered > people who will never again receive an invitation. > > Eamonn / D1 > Dublin > >
RE: (313) US vs. EU crap....
Yea you are right josh he has droped a good chunk of his european roster...all but the Advent and Steve Rachmad...but he is no longer working on spending time w/ artist relationship like Rino Cerrone Mark Antonio Oxia Hardfloor and a few others but you see there is NO sour grapes anywhere. Mani still is friends with these people...he has based on the actions of a few people, had enough.the level of rudeness is just through the roof, and maybe there are just a few things you DON'T know ok so with that being said it seems like a few others on this list can understand what was saidand yea i understand that some of you don't agree with how he said it but i guess thats how it isand it is all better for our scene here in the U.S. .. all thats being done is more focus on American Artists less on ungrateful artists who happen to be from Europe michael > if Mani had a roster full of working European DJs and one day woke up and > said, 'These guys don't need me, I'm going to put my efforts into bringing > up some American talent' then i would respect that decision. But that > doesn't seem to be what's he's done at all. He seems to be working > basically the same roster he had before, only now tryin to throw > nationalism into the sales pitch. if i'm wrong and he's dropped a > significant amount of european talent (who were actually getting gigs > through him), then please correct me. i wonder if there;s maybe not some > sour grapes between him and some euro borns. > > > > On Sat, 2 Oct 2004, Tristan Watkins wrote: > >> This is the feeling I got from it. He's acting with the best intent, and >> isn't explicitly anti-European, but wants to keep things at home in >> order to >> do right by the scenes that could use more American influence than >> they've >> had in the past. Thing is, it seems weird to single out just a couple of >> European DJs while ignoring the keen supporters from around the globe >> that >> aren't in it for money (but perhaps this just reflects his taste). >> >> I can see why European DJs might be seen as exploitative when charging >> larger fees (or the same for less people) to play in the states, but at >> the >> same time I can't really blame them. The crowds are worse, the laws are >> worse and the venues are (generally) much worse. What is the incentive >> to >> play in the states unless they get paid more? It's not like most >> European >> DJs do full-scale tours when they go stateside. I do wish him the best >> in >> getting more homegrown talent exposure in America, but this whole >> boycott >> thing is far too drastic. His personal guilt should not be a public >> issue. >> His protectionist analogy was grim, and actually pretty scary to see a >> US >> imigrant promoting it. In short: good idea, very bad execution. >> >> Tristan >> === >> http://www.phonopsia.co.uk >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >
Re: (313) US vs. EU crap....
once again josh you never seem to disapointyou can have your opinions all you want who cares so can everyone else but this is how mani chooses to conduct his agency and he has the support of alot of people (maybe not on this list). i think its funny you choose to attack me but if thats how you do things then i dont care. i was asked by mani to post the email to begin with so thats that As for > Mike, I don't think he's above making a wise crack about outside DJs who > get paid more than his American peeps, but it's unfortunate that someone > would twist that into his own tirade. nothing was twisted you were not there when that conversation took place. your the one assuming you know what mike said and if you care about it so much you go ask mike what he thinks of the surgeon or adam and i am sure he would be glad to tell you good or bad to attack mani personally is just stupid...because someone tries to change the way they do business and with who they do business with.improving the techno scene in america was not a realization mani came to in his home land, it is just one of the many realizations he has had recentlywhats wrong with that??? and as for you comments and opinions about surgeon and adam beyer being better than anyone on his roster...well thats your opinion and its really not about who's roster is better than the other.but i think you dont understand some things... and i dont care who you think you are and who you think you know... some of us were around in the techno scene long before you arrived and don't need you to tell us which way is upand let me get this straight in MY OPINION Murat will crush Adam Beyer, Surgeon and many other ego maniac's from over the pond in straight up dj skills and productionbut i forgot you work for Urb so it is your job to HYPE up all of these overpaid and rude european artists.(this does not include all Europeans...i think most people get an idea who i am talking about) michael >> >> Basically what mani was expressing in his email to the list is that >> Obs/Ear management has represented a good amount of techno artists from >> Europe in past years as well as thrown a bunch of parties in Chicago, >> and >> what he is saying is that he has made a mistake in the artist's he >> chose >> to represent and that he feel's it his fault that certain american >> artists >> can only make like 2-300 bucks in Chicago while Adam Beyer, Surgeon come >> here to America and get paid 5000 bucks plus a 5 star plus business >> class >> airfareit has just become ridiculous, and i think mani is tired of >> it >> and taking a stand. > > Mike, i don't know what year you live in, but i can guarantee you that > neither Beyer or Surgeon are making $5000 (maybe at the biggest rave at > the height of the big raves- but everyone was making money then). Besides- > Adam can certainly hold his own, if not out DJ, everyone on Mani's roster > and Surgeon? Forget it! When it comes to skill DJing/production/ > experimentation, no one on Mani's roster (or few in the world) can touch > Surgeon. Maybe you're just using those two as arbitrary examples, but > think before you speak please. > > >> >> Along with alot of other things mani has gone through this year, from >> going back to his homeland in which he has not been in 19 years and >> coming >> to some realizations. As well as meeting and talking with mad mike this >> year and sharing opinions on the global techno scene and i think he was >> very inspired with alot of what mad mike was saying. > > It sounds like the only realization he had was that his own sh*t's not > moving fast enough for his liking, so hes railing against those who have > much in deferrence to those who have not quite as much. If the only thing > you can get from a trip to one of the most humanitarily challenged > countries in the world is that your American techno scene isn't up to par, > then you have to seriously re-evaluate the center of your universe. As for > Mike, I don't think he's above making a wise crack about outside DJs who > get paid more than his American peeps, but it's unfortunate that someone > would twist that into his own tirade. > >> with the exeption of the ones who have >> always supported the American scene which in this case is Cisco from the >> Advent and Steve Rachmad aka Sterac. > \ > > Not diss to Cisco, he has worked America hard for at least as long as i've > been in this music. But Rachmad never even played in America until DEMF > 2002, and with the exception of Mani's events, I don't believe he's played > America much at all. they're just his boys (and his money makers, at least > in the case of Advent) and it is supreme hypocricy. > >> >> it all may seem a little late for dicovering all of this but i'd take >> late >> than never anyday. >> >> >> >> michael >> >> >> >> >> >
(313) US vs. EU crap....
first off i am not here to defend anyone or answer for dj mani. but i am posting this as maybe a little insight to why mani posted this email on 313 and many other lists for that matter. As in classic 313 fashion everyone took this as a personal attack on European's, especially alex. not really sure why cause it really does'nt apply to alex or alot of people in Europe who support american artists, But i feel people have said some fairly nasty things in direct response to what mani has said without even trying to understand what it was he said. Basically what mani was expressing in his email to the list is that Obs/Ear management has represented a good amount of techno artists from Europe in past years as well as thrown a bunch of parties in Chicago, and what he is saying is that he has made a mistake in the artist's he chose to represent and that he feel's it his fault that certain american artists can only make like 2-300 bucks in Chicago while Adam Beyer, Surgeon come here to America and get paid 5000 bucks plus a 5 star plus business class airfareit has just become ridiculous, and i think mani is tired of it and taking a stand. Along with alot of other things mani has gone through this year, from going back to his homeland in which he has not been in 19 years and coming to some realizations. As well as meeting and talking with mad mike this year and sharing opinions on the global techno scene and i think he was very inspired with alot of what mad mike was saying. it would seem that alot of these artists in this sect of techno could really care less about the american techno scene and all they do is make it VERY difficult to get here and play and do nothing but take from the scene and small amount of resources here in america and dont give back. take it as you will but to me this is not an attack on anyone on this list as most people on this list have supported american artists as well as the american techno scene obviously lastly this is not a direct attack on all people in Europe and for those of you who took it that way i am suprised as it is obvious to me that those European's on this list in particular, have been the ones who have supported American artists and the American techno scene. yea maybe it was not worded the way everyone on this list deems correct but it was his words and his expression. so take mani's mail as an omission of guilt in contributing to this problem that plague's the American techno sceneand that he is no longer going to contribute to the problem but instead try to remedy it in the best way he feels for his booking agency which includes supporting more American artists in America and making the neccessary cuts off his roster, with the exeption of the ones who have always supported the American scene which in this case is Cisco from the Advent and Steve Rachmad aka Sterac. it all may seem a little late for dicovering all of this but i'd take late than never anyday. michael
(313) [Fwd: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC]
here is something i was asked to post to the 313 list... Original Message Subject: FW: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TOEUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC From:"Mani Miglani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date:Thu, September 30, 2004 5:52 pm To: "Carrie Miglani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Subject: EAR techno declaration of an EU boycott and an END TO EUROPEAN insourcing of TECHNO MUSIC The year 2004 has been an eye-opening one for myself and the obS/ EAR collective. For 28 years of my life I have always looked outward when it came to many aspects of my existence (my cultural identity, even appreciation from others and my choices in music). For a long time obS/EAR existed as an entity which assisted in marketing EU artists and beyond into the US. However, a trip to India (my cultural homeland) after a 19 year absence, a trip to Detroit - one of techno's homelands to visit with Mike Banks, Murat's visit of the Chicago offices, the Parental Advisory tour that ended in Bigfork Minnesota, the Advent West Coast Tour with Murat, Tetric, SOG, Twonz and Man Dude Bryan along with a few other events that included spiritual places and books - I have decided to make a major change in the way EAR considers techno music from here on as an individual organization and collective of artists. I have decided that I am going to begin looking inward. This means that this collective of artists will remain tied to the American scene and American DJs as it is our artists who need the assistance, the monetary funds and even the recognition that is deserved and lacking. I cannot sit by any longer and watch what was created here in the States get redone and sold back to us at import prices. Yet, we have made an exception with two artists: The Advent and Steve Rachmad as they have shown their respect to the American sound and to the scenes in Chicago and Detroit respectively, while also pioneering their own sounds and even actually helping the American scene and its artists. Below is the current EAR Roster with a few purposeful omissions, as I have not yet been able to talk over the changes with some of the non-exclusive current members of E.A.R. (the artists you can book direct through themselves anyway). E.A.R. CURRENT ROSTER (12 acts) Manish Miglani... aka dj mani... Chicago, USA via New Delhi, India Murat... New Jersey via Istambul, Turkey The Advent... London, UK via Madiera, Portugal G Flame... London, UK via Madiera, Portugal Steve Rachmad... Amsterdam, Holland via Surinam, a Dutch colony SOG... Portland, Oregon Tetsuji Miwa... Portland, Oregon via Nagoya, Japan Magda... Berlin, Germany via Detroit, USA Twonz... Detroit, USA Mike Huckaby... Detroit, USA Mike Dearborn... Chicago, USA Robin Porter... Los Angeles, USA via London, UK The new website to be posted soon will accurately and definitively reflect our technology initiative through the obS Productions Inc. and our now US-centric aims in marketing American Techno Music, or the soon to be not-for-profit E.A.R./ Are You Techno? Collective. Most importantly, special thanks to my family in Chicago ILLINOIS, Bowling Green, KENTUCKY, Big Fork, MINNESOTA, New Delhi and Gaziabad, INDIA, and others in my immediate family. In addition, major respect and gratitude to Cisco Ferreira, Murat, Tetsuji Miwa, SOG and Mike Banks from UR for helping me en-lighten myself and guiding me on a path I must follow. Lastly, I depart with this. Why is that the USA is up in arms when technology jobs are outsourced to India and China, yet not at all DISGUSTED when the European magazines and scene come into our scenes demanding huge fees and arriving with difficult attitudes, resulting to a trend of the US getting InSourced...? How many US artists do you know with day jobs, more talent than the the headliner flown in on business class, yet that same cat plays his/her heart out for a few measly bucks after working a full time work week and has to watch a premadonna global talent get paid tens of thousands and refuse to play a minute longer than the contract. It is not proper and I am personally making a stand with my collective of artists... Peace Namaste Love and Respect If you feel the same way, contact me and drop me a line or two. Manish Miglani aka dj mani -- End of Forwarded Message
RE: (313) Juan Atkins officially awarded for the 'International achievment'
i dont care who sides with who ...or who is in the cool click and who is not you would figure that someone who is in a position that josh is in then he would be ALOT more professional about what he say's in public forums...and i am sure this does wonders for him as a representative for URB... but i guess if these are the people URB wants to represent them then i guess thats on them.. i tend to get annoyed with alot of what josh says on this list or should i say trash talk.but i also disagree with others as wellahh well i guess thats what this list is aboutbut no need to blaintenly talk smack unless you would have the balls to say the same thing to that person, in personbut my guess is that most of the smack talk on this list would never get said to the person its about to there facemaybe thats the problem annoyed with the constant smack talk. michael > i remember you and josh having 'discussions' on the list. i remember > because i always side with him. > > ani > > p.s. see you d people at bandwidth > > > : -Original Message- > : From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > : > : ive been on here for nearing 4 years now, and i had no idea thats > : who he was. and i read almost all 313 mail. > : > : tom > > >
Re: (313) 313 Tenth Anniversary Party
yea its for real you putz.whats wrong with this list everyone else can complain/discuss about the cost to get to detroit but i complain and i am a joke sorry for trying to voice my positionwhatever i guess i'll just keep to my self while the big boys do all the talking.sorry to interupt marc michael www.renegaderhythms.com > hah is this actually for real !? > > Didnt you know theres also a UK conspiracy plan to move the next > DEMF/Movement to canary wharf in london - the belle isle of dogs ;) > > peace, > marc > > - Original Message - > From: "Renegade808" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Robert Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Klaas-Jan Jongsma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 9:28 PM > Subject: RE: (313) 313 Tenth Anniversary Party > > >> DELETE NOW IF YOU DON'T WANNA HERE THIS >> >> sorry to chime in late butto tell you ther truth it is kinda >> lamei >> live in portland oregon, and if i wanted to try to come connect with 313 >> people i would have to spend ahhh i'd say around 1500 dollars so how is >> that for expensive (i guess it only matters if its expensive for the >> people in the UK).i think that a list that is about detroit >> techno >> music should have the party in detroitthe fact that it costs money >> to >> get there, all i can say is too badcause thats what happens to the >> rest of the world.i still have'nt got to go to hardwax or the lost >> club or many other cool clubs/places having to do with detroit music >> because of the fact that its expensive to get to detroit it costs >> me >> around 500-600 dollars unless i drive 38 hours and gas aint cheep... so >> i'd say the playing field is even from where i siti know that its >> gonna happen in the uk cause thats all people in england seem to give a >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] about is england, so i am kinda bummed..me and my crew >> have >> supported detroit ALOT and it would be cool to meet some other people >> that >> have as well but i guess not this time.it figure's that people who >> are >> soo down with detroit won't even go there.anyway sorry for the >> rant but i have strong feeling about this.hey i got an idea lets >> celebrate detroit techno in a place that has nothing to do with >> detroit!!! >> ok i'm donenow everyone can attack me >> >> >> p.s fred hit me up i got some info on an event thats happening up in the >> NW i know you'll want to be there >> >> >> michael >> www.renegaderhythms.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > It's not selfish - it's about cost - not everyone has a spare £600 to >> > spend on a weekend trip away. >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 2:53 PM >> > To: 313@hyperreal.org >> > Subject: RE: (313) 313 Tenth Anniversary Party >> > >> > >> > Well we travelled 4000 miles for 5 years of [313] :) >> > >> > I don't think it really matters if it will be september or not. It is >> a >> > bit selfish (i say a bit) to say that you don't want to travelo 4000 > miles >> > for a party. >> > >> > > > # >> > Note: >> > >> > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not >> > necessarily represent >> > those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically >> stated. >> > This email >> > and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the > use >> > of the >> > individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received >> > this email in >> > error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > Thank You. >> > > > # >> > >> > >> > > >
RE: (313) 313 Tenth Anniversary Party
DELETE NOW IF YOU DON'T WANNA HERE THIS sorry to chime in late butto tell you ther truth it is kinda lamei live in portland oregon, and if i wanted to try to come connect with 313 people i would have to spend ahhh i'd say around 1500 dollars so how is that for expensive (i guess it only matters if its expensive for the people in the UK).i think that a list that is about detroit techno music should have the party in detroitthe fact that it costs money to get there, all i can say is too badcause thats what happens to the rest of the world.i still have'nt got to go to hardwax or the lost club or many other cool clubs/places having to do with detroit music because of the fact that its expensive to get to detroit it costs me around 500-600 dollars unless i drive 38 hours and gas aint cheep... so i'd say the playing field is even from where i siti know that its gonna happen in the uk cause thats all people in england seem to give a [EMAIL PROTECTED] about is england, so i am kinda bummed..me and my crew have supported detroit ALOT and it would be cool to meet some other people that have as well but i guess not this time.it figure's that people who are soo down with detroit won't even go there.anyway sorry for the rant but i have strong feeling about this.hey i got an idea lets celebrate detroit techno in a place that has nothing to do with detroit!!! ok i'm donenow everyone can attack me p.s fred hit me up i got some info on an event thats happening up in the NW i know you'll want to be there michael www.renegaderhythms.com > It's not selfish - it's about cost - not everyone has a spare £600 to > spend on a weekend trip away. > -Original Message- > From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 2:53 PM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) 313 Tenth Anniversary Party > > > Well we travelled 4000 miles for 5 years of [313] :) > > I don't think it really matters if it will be september or not. It is a > bit selfish (i say a bit) to say that you don't want to travelo 4000 miles > for a party. > > # > Note: > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not > necessarily represent > those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. > This email > and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use > of the > individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received > this email in > error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Thank You. > # > >
Re: (313) Suburban Knight, DJ Di'jital, DJ Dex, In LA
well i do know that murat works for native instruments and this was something he has been trying to put together with native and bella for awhile to my knowlege so there definatly is a connection plus, he's playing the party michael www.renegaderhythms.com > it' > s being thrown by bela and walton who work at NI and our friends with > Murat. No offical connections that I know of. > > On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Greg Earle wrote: > >> This is apparently some sort of Native Instruments/Murat-related event, >> but I don't have any more details than this: >> >> First Kontakt >> Friday, 7/30/2004 >> Presale: $10.00 >> Ticket Sales Stop at 8:00:00 PM (PST) 7/30/2004 >> Talent: James Pennington aka Suburban Knight (Detroit, Underground >> Resistance), >> DJ di'jital (Detroit, Twilight 76, Database), DJ Dex (Detroit, Los >> Hermanos) >> Locals: Kenneth Graham, Murat, Kelvin Larkin, Walton, Developer >> Info: For the first time ever in LA, members of the >> Submerge/Underground Resistance crew come together for a very special >> event in true UR form. Be prepared to get 'down and dirty' as the >> Detroit electro/booty/techno movement comes to Southern >> Cali. this will be a intimate affair so buy tickets in advance to avoid >> dissapointment! >> >> [NB: This is full of sh!te - John Tejada's girlfriend brought out >> Rolando, >> Wild Planet and the Burden Brothers several years ago. Harumph. - >> Ed.] >> >> Info Line: (323) 791-6413 >> Doors Open at: 10:00 PM >> Doors Close at: 3:00 AM >> Will Call for Ticket Pick-up Closes at: 8:30 PM >> Ages: 21 and up >> Items not allowed: GLOWSTICKS >> Event Capacity: 400 >> Caseys >> 613 S Grand Ave. >> Los Angeles, CA 90017 United States >> >> Web: >> http://www.groovetickets.com/ordersystem/groove/eventviewqb.asp? >> EventsID=11699 >> >> >
Re: (313) Fw: Dave Clarke - Press Release.... The Move from Vinyl to CD!!!!!!
well to each there own i guess.i have wanted to post this movie for some time now and this seems like a good time too after seeing this post from dave clark. here is a side by side comparison with the technics, denon, pioneer..seems like the technics are not all they are cracked up to be.i personally would buy the denon, cause of more options and its cheaper, but the technics is built well after seeing this video, i won't buy the technics till they fix it. this is the first time i have posted a link to my ftp so sorry if it does not work for you, but it should. the file is 15 megs but worth it. i think everyone who is thinking of buying a cd turntable should view it at least once http://mike.renegaderhythms.com/Technics%20vs.%20Denon%20vs.%20Pioneer.mov hope this sheds some light on the new technics cd turntable... mike www.renegaderhythms.com >> The Move from Vinyl to CD >> >> "After some time (I wanted to move to CD in 1997) I have finally got a >> machine that I believe is sonically and technically up to the job of >> replacing the hallowed and much loved 1210. I was originally asked to >> demo the Technics CD deck in New York at the beginning of the year but I >> didn't have the space in my calendar, however after finally getting my >> hands on one I have concluded that I will now switch over to CDs in the >> short term, this will take some time and allow me to road test the >> machine in clubs. Initially I will bring my own, but would appreciate >> any promoters that read this and have budget to either hire or buy, to >> supply 2-3 of them, eventually my technical rider will change and any >> one with questions can send either an email to my office or speak to my >> road manager direct. Please note that Pioneer/Denon or other makes of CD >> decks will not be used, furthermore technical 1210s will still be >> needed. >> >> I know some of you flat earthers will be upset, but whilst I love vinyl >> its time has been written on the wall for ages and I felt that Final >> Scratch and Albeton live wasn't for me in terms of interface and sound >> quality (although some djs have their own valid and difference >> opinions). In my mind at the moment the pros outweigh the cons, it will >> speed up the both mine and other producers music to clubs (being cheaper >> for smaller labels/artists), the bass frequencies will be fatter and >> stereo (in non bridged systems), the flexibility in mixing techniques >> not available to vinyl (and some computer systems ) are exciting, and it >> uses a standard that is already tried and tested. The only cons that I >> can think of are slower load up time than vinyl and inability of titling >> each CD with vdu outlet to a central LCD. I believe these are not >> unsurmountable problems. >> >> I must also say that this is an entirely professional decision, I am not >> sponsored by this company. >> >> Finally >> Notice to promo/record companies and artists: >> Please from now on can you send both vinyl and CD of all singles/albums >> that you feel suit the material that I play out e.g.: Novamute, Ruskin, >> inigo Kennedy, Victim, end2end, twilight, 76, turbo, Birmingham Boys, >> DiskoB, Gigolo, electrix etc. etc. etc. Can all CDs please be labelled >> clearly as cdrs without writing/print can easily be lost, also please >> dont forget to finalize, and if it has been professionally mastered >> please label production copy . Only 16bit 44.1 will be played, mp3 will >> be ignored. Finally, if you can afford to, than please send any back cat >> on CD if you know I have been a fan! >> >> Many many thanks >> Dave Clarke" >> >> NEW TOP TEN >> >> 1) Surburban Knight "Dark Journies.. Locutus Remix" (Polar) >> 2) Darko Esser vs LL "Testone B1" (Wolfskuil) >> 3) Dahlback & Dahlback "Forsberg loves the acid" (Turbo) >> 4) Aaron Carl "21 positions/ForTheMoney" (MotorCity) >> 5) psi spy "bake n bite b2" (Pyramid Transmissions) >> 6) Aardvark "Carl Craig edit" (Rush Hour Recordings) >> 7) Chris McCormack "Redesigned EP" (Electrix) >> 8) Jack Haberfield "Through the Looking Glass" (C.S.V.) >> 9) John Thomas "Reissues 1&2" (Maxima) >> 10) Makaton & Bailey "Yesman" (RodzKonez) >> > >
Re: (313) Fw: Dave Clarke - Press Release.... The Move from Vinyl to CD!!!!!!
well to each there own i guess.i have wanted to post this movie for some time now and this seems like a good time too after seeing this post from dave clark. here is a side by side comparison with the technics, denon, pioneer..seems like the technics are not all they are cracked up to be.i personally would buy the denon, cause of more options and its cheaper, but the technics is built well after seeing this video, i won't buy the technics till they fix it. this is the first time i have posted a link to my ftp so sorry if it does not work for you, but it should. the file is 15 megs but worth it. i think everyone who is thinking of buying a cd turntable should view it at least once hope this sheds some light on the new technics cd turntable... mike www.renegaderhythms.com >> The Move from Vinyl to CD >> >> "After some time (I wanted to move to CD in 1997) I have finally got a >> machine that I believe is sonically and technically up to the job of >> replacing the hallowed and much loved 1210. I was originally asked to >> demo the Technics CD deck in New York at the beginning of the year but I >> didn't have the space in my calendar, however after finally getting my >> hands on one I have concluded that I will now switch over to CDs in the >> short term, this will take some time and allow me to road test the >> machine in clubs. Initially I will bring my own, but would appreciate >> any promoters that read this and have budget to either hire or buy, to >> supply 2-3 of them, eventually my technical rider will change and any >> one with questions can send either an email to my office or speak to my >> road manager direct. Please note that Pioneer/Denon or other makes of CD >> decks will not be used, furthermore technical 1210s will still be >> needed. >> >> I know some of you flat earthers will be upset, but whilst I love vinyl >> its time has been written on the wall for ages and I felt that Final >> Scratch and Albeton live wasn't for me in terms of interface and sound >> quality (although some djs have their own valid and difference >> opinions). In my mind at the moment the pros outweigh the cons, it will >> speed up the both mine and other producers music to clubs (being cheaper >> for smaller labels/artists), the bass frequencies will be fatter and >> stereo (in non bridged systems), the flexibility in mixing techniques >> not available to vinyl (and some computer systems ) are exciting, and it >> uses a standard that is already tried and tested. The only cons that I >> can think of are slower load up time than vinyl and inability of titling >> each CD with vdu outlet to a central LCD. I believe these are not >> unsurmountable problems. >> >> I must also say that this is an entirely professional decision, I am not >> sponsored by this company. >> >> Finally >> Notice to promo/record companies and artists: >> Please from now on can you send both vinyl and CD of all singles/albums >> that you feel suit the material that I play out e.g.: Novamute, Ruskin, >> inigo Kennedy, Victim, end2end, twilight, 76, turbo, Birmingham Boys, >> DiskoB, Gigolo, electrix etc. etc. etc. Can all CDs please be labelled >> clearly as cdrs without writing/print can easily be lost, also please >> dont forget to finalize, and if it has been professionally mastered >> please label production copy . Only 16bit 44.1 will be played, mp3 will >> be ignored. Finally, if you can afford to, than please send any back cat >> on CD if you know I have been a fan! >> >> Many many thanks >> Dave Clarke" >> >> NEW TOP TEN >> >> 1) Surburban Knight "Dark Journies.. Locutus Remix" (Polar) >> 2) Darko Esser vs LL "Testone B1" (Wolfskuil) >> 3) Dahlback & Dahlback "Forsberg loves the acid" (Turbo) >> 4) Aaron Carl "21 positions/ForTheMoney" (MotorCity) >> 5) psi spy "bake n bite b2" (Pyramid Transmissions) >> 6) Aardvark "Carl Craig edit" (Rush Hour Recordings) >> 7) Chris McCormack "Redesigned EP" (Electrix) >> 8) Jack Haberfield "Through the Looking Glass" (C.S.V.) >> 9) John Thomas "Reissues 1&2" (Maxima) >> 10) Makaton & Bailey "Yesman" (RodzKonez) >> > >
Re: (313) when I grow up......
personally i think this is THE controller.its not quite out yet but will be VERY soon. The ol MXF8 check it out http://www.grexultra.com/erol.html...i think this controller will end up being used by lots of people, it really is great. so far its the best i have seen out there..but hey really its about what works for you.all i know is i am getting one when they come out michael www.renegaderhythms.com > I want one of these for Ableton Live. > > check it out, that's some cosmic controller board. > > http://www.doepfer.de/controller_example_1.JPG > > "Commander Bond, dial in channel 9 and man the joystick" > > "Righty-ho Captain Baldelli" > > peow. > > does anyone know how to make these? > > richie hawtins and monolakes are here too > > http://www.doepfer.de/Controller_examples.htm > > I want one. > > Alex > _ > > - End of message text > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in their > individual, non-business capacity and is not on > behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. > > PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming > e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and > telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you > give your consent to such monitoring > > > >
Re: (313) S.I.D Shop / Submerge
well i think the original S.I.D series came out in 98, and were re-pressed in 2000 for the first DEMF. I got #1-#5 in 2000 then i got #6 and #7 in 2001. In 2002 i got the last copy of the drexciya one and the scan 7 one cause i wanted doubles of it. Frankie told me they smashed the plates to all of the S.I.D series records and they were never going to be re-pressed again, but who knows. So it only took me 4 years of going to Detroit but i got all of them and even doubles of the ones i wanted (scan 7, sweat electric, drexciya). In 2000 there were also a few other Detroit only releases..one being the 430 West Detroit only Kaotic Spacial Rhythms release and the other being that Metroplex Re-Test release.but i doubt anyone will find the original S.I.D records unless they are randomly laying around. who knows check your favorite shop. I would suggest getting the local 3000 series, great tunes. The Z tracks that i know of are not for the public. the only ones i have seen with these records are Rolando, James Pennington, Buzz Goree Man i can't wait for that green light go party and the UR show. VERY dissapointed with the Movement lineup (i thought this festival was for Detroit artists) but i am mainly going to see Timeline live and Shake,Claude,Shawn along with a few others.hope to see some of you guys out there. michael www.renegaderhythms.com > You know the S.I.D shop in Detroit? > > I presume some people on here shop there. > Well, does anyone know if it's open during the Movement Festival? > > A mate is off to the festival, and I was planning on giving him a few quid > to try and get me some of those S.I.D 12's. > (I don't own any of them) > Thing is, I guess he'll want to buy them as well. Does anyone know if > they're one per customer? > > Also, can anyone recommend the essential ones? > > I think I'd like to get the Drexciya one, I heard that a few years back. > But I can't afford them all, so is there one or two that are essential? > > Many Thanks > > Alex > _ > > - End of message text > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in their > individual, non-business capacity and is not on > behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. > > PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming > e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and > telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you > give your consent to such monitoring > > > >
Re: (313) Caspar Pound RIP
Man what an ass.good story Fred and yes it was funny and i would have never known that happened unless you shared it with us, Thank You... I never knew Casper but wish i could have met himRising High records i would say was a big influence on me back in the early 90's.. Back in the day when we had warehouse partiesme and my friends would go all night and then to the after partiesbut after everything died down and it was just me and my friends, out would come the Rising High Records to chill out to..i used to listen to that Dreamfish record by Mixmaster Morris and Pete Namlook ALL the time as well as others.Those records had a huge effect on me and for that i am thankful thanks for the great records Casper rest in peace. michael www.renegaderhythms.com > on 5/5/04 6:02 PM, Adam Haupt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Geez, nothing like blowing your own horn in someone elses eulogy... >> >> > Well, it wasn't meant that way F* wit. It was just a personal memory of a > funny line that he had that I thought I would share. You see Casper was a > funny guy with a sense of humor. Unlike some pricks on this list > > telepathic pox on you, > fRED > >
Re: (313) Sir Coxsone Dodd has died
man i wish people would quit dying...but i guess we have no control when its our time. ULTIMATE RESPECT to Sir Coxsone Dodd. michael www.renegaderhythms.com > A true studio and production innovator, along with Lee Perry, > Coxsone laid the foundations for what became electronic dance > music. Not to mention his larger-than-life influence over the > development of reggae . . . Full respect . . . > > fred > > -- > > http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20040505T14-0500_59435 > _OBS__SIR_COXSONE__DODD_IS_DEAD.asp > > 'Sir Coxsone' Dodd is dead > Famed music pioneer collapses at Studio One; Played major role in > launching Jamaica's > popular music > Balford Henry, Observer writer > Wednesday, May 05, 2004 > > FOUR days after the City of Kingston honoured him by naming a > street for his famous Studio One recording label, Jamaican music > pioneer Clement "Sir Coxsone" Dodd died suddenly yesterday. > > He apparently suffered a heart attack at his offices at 13 > Studio One Boulevard, which, until last Friday's big civic > ceremony in honour of Dodd, was Brentford Road. > > Dodd was 72. > > Sources who were at the studio when he died, shortly after 4:00 > pm, said that the veteran record producer and label boss was > sitting around his desk chatting and joking with them when Dodd > suddenly left for the bathroom. The next time they saw him, he > was sitting on a chair outside the bathroom holding his chest > and choking. > > "I held him in my arms and tried to revive him and Jennifer Lara > kept trying mouth-to-mouth resuscitation," said Bunny Brown, > former lead singer of the Chosen Few, and one of Dodd's > protégés. "He seemed like he was going to revive, then his > eyeballs just turned over." > > Dodd was rushed into one of the cars on the premises and taken > to the Medical Associates Hospital, Tangerine Place, St Andrew > where he was pronounced dead. > > Dodd's close associate at the studio, Kingsley Goodison, said > that it was obvious he was dead from before he left the > premises. > > However, Dodd's workers, artistes and others still gathered at > the studio, apparently hoping for a miracle, until the news came > back from the hospital confirming his death. > > After doctors pronounced him dead, Dodd's body was immediately > taken to the Madden's Funeral Parlour, North Street in the same > car that had taken him to the hospital. > > Outside the morgue, dozens gathered as the news spread of Dodd's > death. At Studio One, the mood was sombre among his associates > and artistes, who lingered. > > His wife, Norma, couldn't understand Dodd's sudden death. > > "He didn't have a history of heart problems," she said last > night, choking back tears at the Studio One complex. "He never > had a heart attack before." > > In a statement last night, Opposition leader, Edward Seaga, a > contemporary of Dodd in the music business in the 1950s and > 1960s, described him as "one of the fathers of Jamaican music". > He said that Dodd was "an extraordinary talent". > > Born Clement Seymour Dodd in Kingston on January 26, 1932, he > earned the nickname "Coxsone" after a Yorkshire, England > cricketer, while attending All Saints School in West Kingston. > He was considered a good cricket all-rounder. > > But it was as a pioneer of Jamaica's sound system and popular > music, from rocksteady to ska and reggae that Dodd was to find > fame. > > He started out playing bebop and jazz records for customers > visiting his parents' liquour store on Laws Street, and later > Beeston Street, in Kingston. During a turn at farm work in the > United States he widened his knowledge of rhythm and blues music > and imported numerous original 45 rpm records, which became the > hallmark of his sound system, Sir Coxsone Downbeat. > > He started the sound system in the early 50s relying on his > imported originals to outplay his competitors, chiefly the late > > Arthur "Duke" Reid of Treasure Isle fame. > > He opened his studio at Brentford Road in 1963 and since then > the name, Studio One, has become synonymous worldwide with the > best of early Jamaican pop rhythms - ska, rocksteady and reggae. > > Dodd is probably best known outside Jamaica for bringing Bob > Marley and the Wailers to national attention and producing some > of their most memorable hits, including the international peace > anthem, One Love. > > In later days, he has been in constant legal battles with newer > Jamaican record producers who have relied on his rhythms of the > 60s and 70s for the basis of their dancehall rhythms. > > But last Friday Dodd was hailed by Kingston's mayor, Desmond > McKenzie, and other officials, including finance minister and > South St Andrew MP Omar Davies - in whose constituency Brentford > Road/Studio One Boulevard is located - for his and Studio One's > contribution to the development and success of Jamaican music. > This was based on a resolution passed last year by the Kingston > and St Andrew Co
(313) KRAFTWERK IN SEATTLE!!!
well i just got home from Seattle. I drove up there to see Kraftwerk for my second time. Let me just start off by saying it really was a great show. visually they looked much better than in 98 when i saw them in SF at the Warfield.I was really impressed by the visuals that went along with the music. Now musically i think i liked them better in 98. When i saw them in 98 they brought out the whole oldschool rig with a bunch of custom Doepher stuff along with a bunch of stuff i have no clue about Although i am skeptical of the Sony VAIO/Cubase SX combo VS. A whole lot of custom Doepher modular stuff the show was still great, and no glitches except a sound problem during the robots (when the Mannequin's were on stage) , but i still wish they brought out all of the old gear and they were missing the pocket calculators which bummed me out. last time they each had one and stepped around to the front of the stage and jammed on them...i guess they are probablly getting kinda old , the calculators that it ;-) The main difference i saw was that they put a 4/4 beat into some of their songs that never had a 4/4 beat. Like when they played radioactivity it started out like the original they jammed it live for a bit then they break it down and bring in the 4/4 beat to the track. It sounds great and makes it a bit more danceable. but sometimes i think i like it better when they play the original then just jam on it...And man the kick drum sounds they did use for the beats REALLY sounded impressive. really bassy kicks but not like an 808 and very punchy. Again i have seen them before but nothing can match how great their sounds sound live. but overall it was a GREAT show and if it happens to be the last time i see them, then i will die a happy man!! the next shows are in SF for 2 shows and then to the Coachella Valley Music Festival did anyone else see them in Seattle or have plans to see them in SF or Coachella?? I recommend it if anyone can still get tickets! my favorite tracks performed Radioactivity (this one gets me all the time) Tour De France (that beat just kills) Music Non Stop (love the way they end the show) Michael www.renegaderhythms.com
Re: (313) Timeline in Italy
well we brought out Chaos to perform live and it was straight detroit electro, UR style. But i have not seen the Timeline act so i am not sure what it will be...but i know Gerald Plays keys as well as Mad Mike. so my best guess would be a Galaxy 2 Galaxy, World 2 World, Nation 2 Nation style DEEP DETROIT Techno stuff, mixed with some electro??? who knows??? but whatever it is i am sure it will be VERY GOOD I wish i could see it, who knows maybe soon enough Michael www.renegaderhythms.com > So, what can i expect from these guys? > > fab > >> >> I am suprised this is such a mystery to people.. >> >> Danny Caballero - DJ Dex >> Raphael Merriweathers - MIA >> Santiago Salazar - S2 >> >> Dj Dex and S2 are the youngest UR operatives.i saw MIA and Dex play >> live with Chaos when we brought them out to play for us...great >> guys...great show. Dj Dex is a really good dj as well, definatly a force >> coming up to be reconed with >> >> Michael >> www.renegaderhythms.com >
RE: (313) Timeline in Italy
> Who are these people: "Danny Caballero, Raphael Merriweathers and > Santiago Salazar"? I am suprised this is such a mystery to people.. Danny Caballero - DJ Dex Raphael Merriweathers - MIA Santiago Salazar - S2 Dj Dex and S2 are the youngest UR operatives.i saw MIA and Dex play live with Chaos when we brought them out to play for us...great guys...great show. Dj Dex is a really good dj as well, definatly a force coming up to be reconed with Michael www.renegaderhythms.com
