Re: [AFMUG] History Question - failed ISPs
The Florida guy was from tampa? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Friday, November 21, 2014 at 12:20 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] History Question - failed ISPs Yaaa man Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 20, 2014 11:09 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: How did u know? We leave at 3 am to Festival of the Cranes and points North...what are you, a psychedelic? Lol Jaime Solorza On Nov 20, 2014 7:00 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Dude aren't you on vacation? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Rick Harnish via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: The Florida/Georgia one may have been Main Street Broadband Rick Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Joe via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date:11/20/2014 7:18 PM (GMT-05:00) To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] History Question - failed ISPs Does anyone remember the names of the WISPs that went bankrupt after receiving millions of funding from the feds under the broadband initiative, and the president of the company was found to have bilked the company and built a multimillion dollar house? I thought there was one in Colorado, and another in Florida. This goes back 2-3 years ago.
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
That sounds like something your billing system should do, given that you want it to also handle paying their bill. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:43:40 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's What I really want is an integrated system that isn't stuck in the 90's. I want the customer to have an app on their phone that tells them when their network is having issues and why. I want it to also remind them to pay their bill and provide a lazy/easy way to do that. I want that same system to have an engineer app that tells us when nodes fail and why. So if a node goes down and it's important, it should show up on my phone and I can take action. One of those actions would be to message to outage impacted customers the ETA to fix etc. Emails from Cacti don't count.
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
Mobile web is generally terrible. Natively programmed apps (not Air) FTW. Perhaps not an alert saying that you're down, but when the customer goes to check, it tells them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47:56 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's *An app for my phone? Yuck *Something that pushes to cutomers letting them know we're having issues? Yuck *Something that let's the customer verify their particular service is good/not? That'd be great! *Web portal for billing, easy peasy Why a node fails probably won't be detectable by a machine - in some cases it's difficult for a person to narrow it down (radio, connectors, cables, ethernet, surge, etc) but I'd like to see ideas on this of course. I use/suggest an outgoing message. IF the customer is having issues and they do call us, they hear we're having issues and hang up. This means that we're not telling 100 people there are issues when 25 are effecting ending up with 75 calls next month saying we owe them a credit when they had nothing to do with an outage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What I really want is an integrated system that isn't stuck in the 90's. I want the customer to have an app on their phone that tells them when their network is having issues and why. I want it to also remind them to pay their bill and provide a lazy/easy way to do that. I want that same system to have an engineer app that tells us when nodes fail and why. So if a node goes down and it's important, it should show up on my phone and I can take action. One of those actions would be to message to outage impacted customers the ETA to fix etc. Emails from Cacti don't count.
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
ComEd does have a very good app, but a utility. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:16:53 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Several brands of home routers have an Internet light that changes color when the Internet is reachable, for example Netgear and DLink do this. I don’t know about Belkin but they probably phone home to the mothership. I think the method depends on whether the Internet connection is set for DHCP, PPPoE or static IP. With PPPoE it monitors for an active PPPoE session. I think the other two maybe they check if the DNS servers are reachable. This method is not foolproof, because cheap routers tend to lock up and they may lock up with the light saying Internet is good. But it’s better than nothing. As far as notifying customers, ComEd here has an outage map that’s pretty nice. You can bring it up on your phone and the starting location will be your phone location, outage locations are shown with an estimated number of customers affected, problem description (like wires down), status (like crew onsite or being dispatched), and ETA. Not saying that’s what we need, but from a customer perspective, it’s useful. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's What would be the determining factor? Ping DNS server OK? From: Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's A red/green led would probably suffice for this purpose. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We need a “device” that plugs between router and internet connection with a big screed that says Internet OK! Or Internef BAD… filter out calls with customer having issues with wifi Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014 at 1:47 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's *An app for my phone? Yuck *Something that pushes to cutomers letting them know we're having issues? Yuck *Something that let's the customer verify their particular service is good/not? That'd be great! *Web portal for billing, easy peasy Why a node fails probably won't be detectable by a machine - in some cases it's difficult for a person to narrow it down (radio, connectors, cables, ethernet, surge, etc) but I'd like to see ideas on this of course. I use/suggest an outgoing message. IF the customer is having issues and they do call us, they hear we're having issues and hang up. This means that we're not telling 100 people there are issues when 25 are effecting ending up with 75 calls next month saying we owe them a credit when they had nothing to do with an outage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote What I really want is an integrated system that isn't stuck in the 90's. I want the customer to have an app on their phone that tells them when their network is having issues and why. I want it to also remind them to pay their bill and provide a lazy/easy way to do that. I want that same system to have an engineer app that tells us when nodes fail and why. So if a node goes down and it's important, it should show up on my phone and I can take action. One of those actions would be to message to outage impacted customers the ETA to fix etc. Emails from Cacti don't count. /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
NEVER depend on someone outside of your network, especially Google. Using Google DNS is a terrible thing for ISPs to do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:52:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's As determined by DHCP adds a horrible layer of complexity for a cheap and simple device. How about ping to 8.8.8.8? From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Red/green light for successful DNS and ping to a server determined by DHCP Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What would be the determining factor? Ping DNS server OK? From: Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's A red/green led would probably suffice for this purpose. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote We need a “device” that plugs between router and internet connection with a big screed that says Internet OK! Or Internef BAD… filter out calls with customer having issues with wifi Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014 at 1:47 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's *An app for my phone? Yuck *Something that pushes to cutomers letting them know we're having issues? Yuck *Something that let's the customer verify their particular service is good/not? That'd be great! *Web portal for billing, easy peasy Why a node fails probably won't be detectable by a machine - in some cases it's difficult for a person to narrow it down (radio, connectors, cables, ethernet, surge, etc) but I'd like to see ideas on this of course. I use/suggest an outgoing message. IF the customer is having issues and they do call us, they hear we're having issues and hang up. This means that we're not telling 100 people there are issues when 25 are effecting ending up with 75 calls next month saying we owe them a credit when they had nothing to do with an outage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote What I really want is an integrated system that isn't stuck in the 90's. I want the customer to have an app on their phone that tells them when their network is having issues and why. I want it to also remind them to pay their bill and provide a lazy/easy way to do that. I want that same system to have an engineer app that tells us when nodes fail and why. So if a node goes down and it's important, it should show up on my phone and I can take action. One of those actions would be to message to outage impacted customers the ETA to fix etc. Emails from Cacti don't count. /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
Does a BTest to a Mikrotik, an iPerf to a Ubiquiti, whatever Cambium uses to theirs from your NOC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:49:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's BUT, the phones now days are smart enough to know when wifi sucks or goes out completely. They fall back to 3/4G. Which is awesome, because it could still talk to the service provider end and tell the customer the status. I think this would work better than a green/red light. The phone App would tell you that your service is correct to the house, but that inside it's not talking. Then walk the customer through a set of standard fix it routines. That would solve most of our calls right there. On the back end it just needs to talk to a server process that can get access to the device on the side of the house. The best would be an embedded speed test in the ONT/CPE that could report back to the App and say they are getting what they are paying for to the side of their house. And then give them suggestions for fixing their crappy wifi. I bet it wouldn't take much to get this done and working with a few larger billing systems and equipment platforms, who's with me?? -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Part of the problem is so many customers are 100% WiFi now, so unless you have a managed router there, you have 2 big problem areas beyond the demarc - the customer's router and the customer's WiFi. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Linktechs built a tool a couple years ago that ran on the customer's PC (WIndows only) that would give the customer a connection health indication. It would monitor the local gateway, and give both a green light for connected, plus a reading on the latency. You go too much beyond that, and you will get a bunch of false positives when something beyond your local network is having some kind of issue (we get our share of these). I don't think they got much response from it, and I don't think they offer it any longer. bp part-15@SkylineBroadbandService On 11/20/2014 9:43 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote: What I really want is an integrated system that isn't stuck in the 90's. I want the customer to have an app on their phone that tells them when their network is having issues and why. I want it to also remind them to pay their bill and provide a lazy/easy way to do that. I want that same system to have an engineer app that tells us when nodes fail and why. So if a node goes down and it's important, it should show up on my phone and I can take action. One of those actions would be to message to outage impacted customers the ETA to fix etc. Emails from Cacti don't count.
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
Go to India. ;-) An app on their phone removes the user from the troubleshooting, though, which is a very good thing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:14:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Sterling, This sounds like an easy task, but I can tell you as someone that is currently developing software, and is starting December 1 to build a simple iPhone app, software development is very expensive. My app is a pretty simple... easy to use front-end with a cloud based database back-end... yet the quotes I have gotten are $50,000 - $75,000. This is from 3 different development companies all based in Utah. All of them are busy and each has 20+ full-time developers working for them, so they have enough business and must not be totally out of line on their quotes. I said this 10+ years ago, and I'll say it again... customer service is the only thing that makes you different than the big cable and telco companies. Having a live person that can help people troubleshoot and fix issues is the key to keeping people with your service. If you are just going to send them to an app on their phones, you become the same as every other provider... and your service becomes a commodity just like everyone else. Travis On 11/20/2014 1:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote: BUT, the phones now days are smart enough to know when wifi sucks or goes out completely. They fall back to 3/4G. Which is awesome, because it could still talk to the service provider end and tell the customer the status. I think this would work better than a green/red light. The phone App would tell you that your service is correct to the house, but that inside it's not talking. Then walk the customer through a set of standard fix it routines. That would solve most of our calls right there. On the back end it just needs to talk to a server process that can get access to the device on the side of the house. The best would be an embedded speed test in the ONT/CPE that could report back to the App and say they are getting what they are paying for to the side of their house. And then give them suggestions for fixing their crappy wifi. I bet it wouldn't take much to get this done and working with a few larger billing systems and equipment platforms, who's with me?? -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Part of the problem is so many customers are 100% WiFi now, so unless you have a managed router there, you have 2 big problem areas beyond the demarc - the customer's router and the customer's WiFi. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Linktechs built a tool a couple years ago that ran on the customer's PC (WIndows only) that would give the customer a connection health indication. It would monitor the local gateway, and give both a green light for connected, plus a reading on the latency. You go too much beyond that, and you will get a bunch of false positives when something beyond your local network is having some kind of issue (we get our share of these). I don't think they got much response from it, and I don't think they offer it any longer. bp part-15@SkylineBroadbandService On 11/20/2014 9:43 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote: What I really want is an integrated system that isn't stuck in the 90's. I want the customer to have an app on their phone that tells them when their network is having issues and why. I want it to also remind them to pay their bill and provide a lazy/easy way to do that. I want that same system to have an engineer app that tells us when nodes fail and why. So if a node goes down and it's important, it should show up on my phone and I can take action. One of those actions would be to message to outage impacted customers the ETA to fix etc. Emails from Cacti don't count.
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
What would Kevin O'Leary value it at? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:38:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's I wasn't responding to get into an argument with you. You are obviously free to do whatever you want, and handle your customers however you see fit. I was simply explaining from my perspective what I am seeing today, and what I saw while building Microserv. You remember, the company that was 10x larger than yours and sold to JAB for more, per sub, than any other company so far. :) I also own part of the fastest growing software companies in Utah. We have 20+ full-time developers and current customers like Nike, Google, eBay, Nordstroms, Toms, Disney and Vistaprint to name a few. The company has been in business for less than a year and already has a valuation of $6,000,000 from a national institutional investor that invested a month ago. I'm pretty familiar with the software development scene, especially in Utah. :) Good luck with your app, I hope it works out for you. Travis On 11/20/2014 2:19 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote: Wrong on both counts. I used to be in software development, so like anything else, it's who you know. I can get this done for a lot less. And having an app for the customer to view and fix or find problems on their own is a differentiator itself. Every one of my customers I've talked to about this has expressed great interest in not having to call in if they can help it. I'm guessing a few of the older generation won't have a phone or care to use an app, they can always call in. But in general it looks like it will greatly reduce support overhead for the ISP and increase customer satisfaction at the same time. I guess time will tell. I already have this underway, parts are developed already, but if someone wants to help out, let me know! -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Sterling, This sounds like an easy task, but I can tell you as someone that is currently developing software, and is starting December 1 to build a simple iPhone app, software development is very expensive. My app is a pretty simple... easy to use front-end with a cloud based database back-end... yet the quotes I have gotten are $50,000 - $75,000. This is from 3 different development companies all based in Utah. All of them are busy and each has 20+ full-time developers working for them, so they have enough business and must not be totally out of line on their quotes. I said this 10+ years ago, and I'll say it again... customer service is the only thing that makes you different than the big cable and telco companies. Having a live person that can help people troubleshoot and fix issues is the key to keeping people with your service. If you are just going to send them to an app on their phones, you become the same as every other provider... and your service becomes a commodity just like everyone else. Travis On 11/20/2014 1:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote: BUT, the phones now days are smart enough to know when wifi sucks or goes out completely. They fall back to 3/4G. Which is awesome, because it could still talk to the service provider end and tell the customer the status. I think this would work better than a green/red light. The phone App would tell you that your service is correct to the house, but that inside it's not talking. Then walk the customer through a set of standard fix it routines. That would solve most of our calls right there. On the back end it just needs to talk to a server process that can get access to the device on the side of the house. The best would be an embedded speed test in the ONT/CPE that could report back to the App and say they are getting what they are paying for to the side of their house. And then give them suggestions for fixing their crappy wifi. I bet it wouldn't take much to get this done and working with a few larger billing systems and equipment platforms, who's with me?? -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Part of the problem is so many customers are 100% WiFi now, so unless you have a managed router there, you have 2 big problem areas beyond the demarc - the customer's router and the customer's WiFi. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:04 PM To:
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
Least effort and outlay... to the decision makers. Talking to someone doing the cleanup... they buy a lot of meses. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:57:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's I really can’t say what was in the minds of the JAB decision makers. Seems like they were trying to hoover up as many customers as possible with the least effort and outlay. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's So you're saying definitely not based on customer service... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 20, 2014 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Pretty sure it was based on revenue stream and the quality of the network. Canopy based systems got more than Trango or UBNT etc. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's I have to think the company was worth more because of location. I doubt JAB could care less what the quality of tech support was. Another WISP in Utah was another drop in the bucket. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 20, 2014 4:42 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote The day is coming when that statement can be verified... ;-) -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson via Af Microserv. You remember, the company that was 10x larger than yours and sold to JAB for more, per sub, than any other company so far. :) /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
Agreed. A picture is worth 1,000 words. You can tell them what it looks like or you can show them what it looks like. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 5:46:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Yeah, I agree. We have the PoE with a green light. I want to build that into the App, so it shows or walks through a series of steps like check the adapter that looks like THIS for a green light. Check GFI tripped, check cables connected in proper order to PoE and router etc. The customer wants to be able to do that themselves before calling in. I think that would eliminate a lot of the calls and customers can do things on their own time. I guess the App could also help them schedule a paid visit if it determines the ISP service is working, but they can’t figure out their stuff. I would almost like to have it refer them to a list of local computer/network shops instead. Or those ISPs that want to make money off that kind of visit could schedule themselves. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's I feel you’re overthinking this, at the risk of adding more stuff to fail or for the customer to bitch about. We use the Tycon POEs with current indicator, we tell the customer the light should be green. That covers a lot of calls – cables unplugged or chewed or POE not getting AC power. If the customer thinks their Internet is down, and they have a customer supplied router, we tell them to power cycle the router, this is the most common issue. If the customer is 100% WiFi, we try to make sure they have a spare Ethernet cable on a LAN port of the router. Most laptops have an Ethernet port, we tell them to take their laptop over to the router, plug it in, and if they have Internet then they have a WiFi problem. Once these 3 steps are done, or if they are complaining about speed, I think Travis is right, you’re better off having them call. If nothing else, this may be an upsell opportunity, if they talk to a human. Or you may get to explain a few things about P2P or video streaming or botnets to them. From: Sterling Jacobson via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Lol! I imagine in the App a line with points on it that connect from both ends. Kind of like the Xbox line test. Where it shows green lights on the provider service, the unit on the side of the house, then the router inside their house, and then their device. It might break in the middle, so the phone could show that it sees their wifi, but on 4G it talks to the ISP and shows green dots up to their CPE, then a red dot for their router. It’s not complicated programming on the ISP side. It could even tell you if the customers router IP was registered in the ARP table, or if just the physical connection is made and no MAC or IP etc. I think most of us have a service table for the customer record that has the CPE IP address. Maybe it would need another table in the customer relation to the router, or maybe it’s implicit in the IP address or Gateway IP etc. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's For VoIP we bridge the ATA ahead of the router. I love it when someone calls on the VoIP phone to tell us “the tower is down”. From: Shayne Lebrun via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's What we need to do is get people to view the ‘internet light’ like the ‘check engine’ light on their car. It could mean ‘your gas cap is loose’ or it could mean ‘your driveshaft just fell out of your car’ but if you want to know, it’s going to cost $250 just for somebody to open the hood and plug in the diagnostic checker. Wouldn’t that be nice….. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's As determined by DHCP adds a horrible layer of complexity for a cheap and simple device. How about ping to 8.8.8.8? From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Red/green light for successful DNS and ping to a server determined by DHCP Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Battery Disconnect
That's what we use with a relay. http://www.reuk.co.uk/shop-LOW-VOLTAGE-DISCONNECTS-LVD.htm Pretty cheap and does the work. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 5:45 PM, CARL PETERSON via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Thanks Dan, That is exactly what I was looking for but…at $200 I may need to think about it if its just going to protect $400 worth of batteries from a long power outage that seldom happens here… Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 On Nov 20, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Plexicomm Admin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Carl Duracomm/Meanwell make the part you are looking for: http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodList.asp?idCategory=9 Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 Note: Privileged/Confidential information may be contained in this message and may be subject to legal privilege. Access to this e-mail by anyone other than the intended is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not use, copy, distribute or deliver to anyone this message (or any part of its contents ) or take any action in reliance on it. In such case, you should destroy this message, and notify us immediately. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail or telephone and delete the e-mail from any computer. If you or your employer does not consent to internet e-mail messages of this kind, please notify us immediately. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure no viruses are present in this e-mail. As our company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this e-mail or attachments we recommend that you subject these to your virus checking procedures prior to use. The views, opinions, conclusions and other information expressed in this electronic mail are not given or endorsed by the company unless otherwise indicated by an authorized representative independent of this message. -- -Original Message- From: CARL PETERSON via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Date: 11/20/14 03:41 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Battery Disconnect I have a couple Emerson 211 Rectifier shelves without the LVLD. In order to protect my battery string, I am looking for a low voltage battery disconnect that will disconnect the battery string when voltage drops below ~42V and reconnect it when the rectifier comes back online so the batteries will charge. Any suggestions for a ~20A system? Thanks, Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Battery Disconnect
At that point, a generator costs less. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:21:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Battery Disconnect But what about $1500 or $2000 worth of batteries? We put bigger battery banks out on our remote sites, and I'm more inclined to save the batteries on the very infrequent times we have a multi-day power outage. We also don't get snow, so this is a very rare occurrence. bp part-15@SkylineBroadbandService On 11/20/2014 12:57 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: I agree. Even if it's a bigger set of $500 batteries, it's worth a) not going to the tower unplanned and b) not having customer problems. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote personally i prefer to damage my batteries to keep the network running than have it shutdown during a low voltage event. 2 cents On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:41 PM, CARL PETERSON via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I have a couple Emerson 211 Rectifier shelves without the LVLD. In order to protect my battery string, I am looking for a low voltage battery disconnect that will disconnect the battery string when voltage drops below ~42V and reconnect it when the rectifier comes back online so the batteries will charge. Any suggestions for a ~20A system? Thanks, Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Battery Disconnect
Telecom grade batteries help a lot, assuming they're happy. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:28:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Battery Disconnect knock on wood I have a battery bank in service for 6 years now that has had at least 6 but probably 12 run all the way to dead events or almost all the way to dead (snowstorms and our on-site generator didn't start and we had to snowmobile a generator and gas up to the site) the batteries still charge just fine and keep on running. they are UB-4D sealed batteries. probably $2500 in batteries. so although we ran until pretty much dead (or completely dead in a couple events) we either had no outage or only a brief outage (1-2 hours) instead of a 12-36 hour outage. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: But what about $1500 or $2000 worth of batteries? We put bigger battery banks out on our remote sites, and I'm more inclined to save the batteries on the very infrequent times we have a multi-day power outage. We also don't get snow, so this is a very rare occurrence. bp part-15@SkylineBroadbandService On 11/20/2014 12:57 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: blockquote I agree. Even if it's a bigger set of $500 batteries, it's worth a) not going to the tower unplanned and b) not having customer problems. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote personally i prefer to damage my batteries to keep the network running than have it shutdown during a low voltage event. 2 cents On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:41 PM, CARL PETERSON via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I have a couple Emerson 211 Rectifier shelves without the LVLD. In order to protect my battery string, I am looking for a low voltage battery disconnect that will disconnect the battery string when voltage drops below ~42V and reconnect it when the rectifier comes back online so the batteries will charge. Any suggestions for a ~20A system? Thanks, Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Free fiber optic training
Well that's pretty cool. Mike Hammett via Af wrote: You can subscribe to updates on their schedule here: http://bit.ly/1xVyR1p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Jay Weekley via Af af@afmug.com *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:40:50 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Free fiber optic training For what it's worth. Corning offers free fiber optic seminars around the country on a regular basis. It's specific to their product line but it's a good way to learn the fundamentals of fiber optics, connectors and termination techniques. Those with a lot of experience may not get a lot out of it but for those that want to learn some basics and get some hands on training it's a free way for you or your employees to get your feet wet. The locations vary but they only publish the schedule a month or two in advance so you'll have to go to the link periodically to see what is coming near you. http://www.corning.com/opcomm/nafta/en/serv_support/training/fiber-optic-seminar-schedule.aspx We've some guys at a seminar in Birmingham today. Looks like our guy Dave (in blue) is about to do some termination.
Re: [AFMUG] Free fiber optic training
I use Change Detection for monitoring lots of places. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jay Weekley via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:57:58 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Free fiber optic training Well that's pretty cool. Mike Hammett via Af wrote: You can subscribe to updates on their schedule here: http://bit.ly/1xVyR1p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Jay Weekley via Af af@afmug.com *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:40:50 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Free fiber optic training For what it's worth. Corning offers free fiber optic seminars around the country on a regular basis. It's specific to their product line but it's a good way to learn the fundamentals of fiber optics, connectors and termination techniques. Those with a lot of experience may not get a lot out of it but for those that want to learn some basics and get some hands on training it's a free way for you or your employees to get your feet wet. The locations vary but they only publish the schedule a month or two in advance so you'll have to go to the link periodically to see what is coming near you. http://www.corning.com/opcomm/nafta/en/serv_support/training/fiber-optic-seminar-schedule.aspx We've some guys at a seminar in Birmingham today. Looks like our guy Dave (in blue) is about to do some termination.
[AFMUG] [JOB] Network Consultant Position
Link Technologies, Inc. is looking for a few good engineers to add to our consulting group. If interested, review the PDF and send resume and salary requirements to j...@linktechs.net Thanks, www.linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - dmburg...@linktechs.net
Re: [AFMUG] [JOB] Network Consultant Position
I think you're missing an attached PDF? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Link Technologies, Inc. is looking for a few good engineers to add to our consulting group. If interested, review the PDF and send resume and salary requirements to j...@linktechs.net Thanks, [image: DennisBurgessSignature] www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – dmburg...@linktechs.net
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
PLUS 1 for Nagios and there are some apps coming about for it on the android. We have a company that is working on an app for us and the customers as you mentioned to do just that. regardless of the APP you still need a good monitoring server running to interface with the APP. There are some Free options out there and there are some great ones too. On 11/20/2014 04:21 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Emails from Cacti don't count - cacti is not an up/down monitoring system, it's a charting system... Any threshold alerting plugins that might be available are just a bonus. Use something like OpenNMS or Nagios. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: What I really want is an integrated system that isn't stuck in the 90's. I want the customer to have an app on their phone that tells them when their network is having issues and why. I want it to also remind them to pay their bill and provide a lazy/easy way to do that. I want that same system to have an engineer app that tells us when nodes fail and why. So if a node goes down and it's important, it should show up on my phone and I can take action. One of those actions would be to message to outage impacted customers the ETA to fix etc. Emails from Cacti don't count.
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
Yeah we put a little thought into ours on that behalf. The customer will have to go to the trouble of signing up for these alerts and it will only show alerts associated with their tower or CPE. Even any scheduled work being done on that site. Alerts for outages on their connection only is all that will be displayed. We are not doing this for anyone on our FSK network only the 450 net. We already have the Portal for billing. On 11/20/2014 11:47 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: *An app for my phone? Yuck *Something that pushes to cutomers letting them know we're having issues? Yuck *Something that let's the customer verify their particular service is good/not? That'd be great! *Web portal for billing, easy peasy Why a node fails probably won't be detectable by a machine - in some cases it's difficult for a person to narrow it down (radio, connectors, cables, ethernet, surge, etc) but I'd like to see ideas on this of course. I use/suggest an outgoing message. IF the customer is having issues and they do call us, they hear we're having issues and hang up. This means that we're not telling 100 people there are issues when 25 are effecting ending up with 75 calls next month saying we owe them a credit when they had nothing to do with an outage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: What I really want is an integrated system that isn't stuck in the 90's. I want the customer to have an app on their phone that tells them when their network is having issues and why. I want it to also remind them to pay their bill and provide a lazy/easy way to do that. I want that same system to have an engineer app that tells us when nodes fail and why. So if a node goes down and it's important, it should show up on my phone and I can take action. One of those actions would be to message to outage impacted customers the ETA to fix etc. Emails from Cacti don't count.
[AFMUG] FS: Network consultant looking for gigs
Hi, folks! I'm not big on fancy, glossy collateral (why do they call it that, anyway?) so I'm just laying out my qualifications and reasons why you should hire me to solve all those pesky network problems you don't have time or staff for. So, just like Dennis' coincidental posting, there's no attached PDF. (Sorry, Dennis! :-) ) I started Great Basin Internet Services in Reno in 1993, and sold it a couple of years ago. Since then, wanting extra cash flow (don't we all?) I've been consulting for them, and a handful of other ISPs. Most recently I've been involved with a greenfield fiber project in rural Nevada. So I have plenty of real world experience. I'm very happy playing with Layer 1 on up, VLANs, VoIP, both IPv4 and IPv6, MPLS, OSPF, BGP, NAT, DNS, DHCP, Radius, and probably most any other acronym. I'm handy with some of the administrative stuff, like dealing with ARIN for instance. Need more redundancy? I'm your guy. I know my way around most routers and switches, especially anything with a Cisco-like interface. I'm still learning Mikrotik, but I've learned enough to have set up an MPLS/OSPF/BGP network of CCRs, through both the CLI and the web interface. I don't really know the scripting stuff yet, but I can learn it if need be. I have lots of experience with Cambium licensed and unlicensed radios, and with Ubiquiti. I have lots of out-of-date experience with Canopy, and absolutely no field experience with the new ePMP stuff. (Still waiting for Cambium to send me my free AP and SU for attending a seminar awhile ago.) So that's about it. Essentially, there's nothing involving the ISP business I don't know or can't figure out. I'm willing to travel, but most of the work I do can be done remotely. Oh, and I'm a Linux guy. I know my way around Windows, but if you need someone to set up your Windows Server stuff, you can probably find someone more qualified. If you're interested, please hit me off-list for more information, rates, all that sort of stuff. Hey Dennis, if you like what you see, you can consider this to be a resume - but I'm not moving to Missouri!
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
I really question if customers want a device to help them troubleshoot. More like if we (a bunch of network admins) were the customer, that’s what we’d want. It’s like the guys on Big Bang Theory trying to imagine what a regular person would want. The hurdle seems to be getting them to pay someone to fix problems in their internal network. If you can monetize this by selling an onsite support plan, or by dispatching from a separate side of your business that charges for service calls, that is good, as long as you can say this is not an Internet service problem, it is a customer network problem. Otherwise, refer them to a local computer shop that does house calls. What amazes me is the reluctance to pay us $5/mo for a managed Mikrotik router that comes with free replacement, phone support and onsite support. All of a sudden it’s not so interesting to have us solve the problem for them. Yet they will go to Best Buy and let the kid talk them into a $200 Linksys AC router as the solution to all their problems. I guess that points back to me being a poor salesman compared to the kid at Best Buy. Probably because I know the managed router is a good deal for the customer, so if they don’t want it, I’m only going to push it so hard. While Best Buy makes tons more money on a $200 router than they do on a $50 router and doesn’t give a rat’s ass what’s good for the customer, so they sell the hell out of the expensive router. And people like going to stores and buying cool gadgets. Maybe I need to rub some “new car smell” on the Mikrotik routers or something. So I guess if your proposed gizmo has a “new car smell” or “latest iPhone” aura to it, people might buy it. Just make sure that red light doesn’t have false detects, or it will just make people complain their Internet is down because the red light is on. From: David via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Yeah we put a little thought into ours on that behalf. The customer will have to go to the trouble of signing up for these alerts and it will only show alerts associated with their tower or CPE. Even any scheduled work being done on that site. Alerts for outages on their connection only is all that will be displayed. We are not doing this for anyone on our FSK network only the 450 net. We already have the Portal for billing. On 11/20/2014 11:47 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: *An app for my phone? Yuck *Something that pushes to cutomers letting them know we're having issues? Yuck *Something that let's the customer verify their particular service is good/not? That'd be great! *Web portal for billing, easy peasy Why a node fails probably won't be detectable by a machine - in some cases it's difficult for a person to narrow it down (radio, connectors, cables, ethernet, surge, etc) but I'd like to see ideas on this of course. I use/suggest an outgoing message. IF the customer is having issues and they do call us, they hear we're having issues and hang up. This means that we're not telling 100 people there are issues when 25 are effecting ending up with 75 calls next month saying we owe them a credit when they had nothing to do with an outage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What I really want is an integrated system that isn't stuck in the 90's. I want the customer to have an app on their phone that tells them when their network is having issues and why. I want it to also remind them to pay their bill and provide a lazy/easy way to do that. I want that same system to have an engineer app that tells us when nodes fail and why. So if a node goes down and it's important, it should show up on my phone and I can take action. One of those actions would be to message to outage impacted customers the ETA to fix etc. Emails from Cacti don't count.
Re: [AFMUG] What can cause Rx signal drop like this on 900 SM
Interference shouldn't cause a drop in DB level. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 11/21/2014 09:47 AM, David via Af wrote: That or neighbouring wisp with other gear. � On 11/21/2014 10:27 AM, Jerry Richardson via Af wrote: That my first guess as well, alignment. � *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 8:24 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What can cause Rx signal drop like this on 900 SM � We have seen this when a tree or branch fell on the SM.� Saw something like this when the SM was mounted on a tree and the tree fell down (amazingly, the SM stayed registered, even though the yagi was pointing into the ground). bp part-15@SkylineBroadbandService � On 11/21/2014 7:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: Attached Cacti plots show a sudden and significant drop in Rx signal from -56 to -65 around 10pm yesterday.� What can cause such a change?� The graphic shows 24 hours.� The SM says it has been registered for 21 hours since we rebooted AP to change channel so the gap in the middle is not a re-reg.� Must be a sample Cacti missed or is it?� Is it a coincidence this missing sample happens right when the signal level changes?� This is a P10 900 SM.� SM and AP running 13.1.3.� Link test is currently 100x100.� 0.3 miles from AP through some trees.� Very rural location.� AP at 65 feet AGL.� SM at 25 feet.� Eight other SMs on this same AP show absolutely no change in their signals when this specific SM has such a dramatic change.� Nothing special about weather last night.� This SM has been having these Rx signal swings for about 3 weeks.� AP has SM Tx power control set to -64. � On the previous channel it would drop when signal was at lower tier so we made this channel change.� None of the SMs hint at interference on any channel although another SM showed signs of interference too.� Our next closest 900 AP is 8.1 miles.� This SM reports beacon from only one AP.� All AP�s are GPS synced. � � PC Blaze Broadband � �
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
We have done this also and now we have a couple of options if the customer is a big Gadget fan which we are finding true in some cases so we have a 5 and 10 dollar plan for managed services. The Free one is only the 951-2n and the others are 2Hn integrated vs connectorized antennas. Now that cambium will have the c3voip-200 series soon we will only offer it as a $10 or they can buy outright with no maint. I believe there are 2 models one with voip and other not. On 11/21/2014 11:12 AM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote: Hi, This is why we just included a free WiFi router with all of our installations. It wasn't a separate item on their bill, it was just part of our service. Then we had control of the router, and could actually test clear to the router from our NOC. The customers liked it because they didn't have to worry about the router, and when it failed we just replaced it, no charge. Again... customer service is what wins the day. :) Travis On 11/21/2014 9:00 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I really question if customers want a device to help them troubleshoot. More like if we (a bunch of network admins) were the customer, that’s what we’d want. It’s like the guys on Big Bang Theory trying to imagine what a regular person would want. The hurdle seems to be getting them to pay someone to fix problems in their internal network. If you can monetize this by selling an onsite support plan, or by dispatching from a separate side of your business that charges for service calls, that is good, as long as you can say this is not an Internet service problem, it is a customer network problem. Otherwise, refer them to a local computer shop that does house calls. What amazes me is the reluctance to pay us $5/mo for a managed Mikrotik router that comes with free replacement, phone support and onsite support. All of a sudden it’s not so interesting to have us solve the problem for them. Yet they will go to Best Buy and let the kid talk them into a $200 Linksys AC router as the solution to all their problems. I guess that points back to me being a poor salesman compared to the kid at Best Buy. Probably because I know the managed router is a good deal for the customer, so if they don’t want it, I’m only going to push it so hard. While Best Buy makes tons more money on a $200 router than they do on a $50 router and doesn’t give a rat’s ass what’s good for the customer, so they sell the hell out of the expensive router. And people like going to stores and buying cool gadgets. Maybe I need to rub some “new car smell” on the Mikrotik routers or something. So I guess if your proposed gizmo has a “new car smell” or “latest iPhone” aura to it, people might buy it. Just make sure that red light doesn’t have false detects, or it will just make people complain their Internet is down because the red light is on. *From:* David via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 9:27 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Yeah we put a little thought into ours on that behalf. The customer will have to go to the trouble of signing up for these alerts and it will only show alerts associated with their tower or CPE. Even any scheduled work being done on that site. Alerts for outages on their connection only is all that will be displayed. We are not doing this for anyone on our FSK network only the 450 net. We already have the Portal for billing. On 11/20/2014 11:47 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: *An app for my phone? Yuck *Something that pushes to cutomers letting them know we're having issues? Yuck *Something that let's the customer verify their particular service is good/not? That'd be great! *Web portal for billing, easy peasy Why a node fails probably won't be detectable by a machine - in some cases it's difficult for a person to narrow it down (radio, connectors, cables, ethernet, surge, etc) but I'd like to see ideas on this of course. I use/suggest an outgoing message. IF the customer is having issues and they do call us, they hear we're having issues and hang up. This means that we're not telling 100 people there are issues when 25 are effecting ending up with 75 calls next month saying we owe them a credit when they had nothing to do with an outage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: What I really want is an integrated system that isn't stuck in the 90's. I want the customer to have an app on their phone that tells them when their network is having issues and why. I want it to also remind them to pay their bill and provide a lazy/easy way to do that. I want that same system to have an engineer app that tells us when nodes fail and why. So if a node goes down and it's important, it should show
Re: [AFMUG] What can cause Rx signal drop like this on 900 SM
Amen. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 21, 2014 12:53 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Interference shouldn't cause a drop in DB level. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 11/21/2014 09:47 AM, David via Af wrote: That or neighbouring wisp with other gear. � On 11/21/2014 10:27 AM, Jerry Richardson via Af wrote: That my first guess as well, alignment. � *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 8:24 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What can cause Rx signal drop like this on 900 SM � We have seen this when a tree or branch fell on the SM.� Saw something like this when the SM was mounted on a tree and the tree fell down (amazingly, the SM stayed registered, even though the yagi was pointing into the ground). bp part-15@SkylineBroadbandService � On 11/21/2014 7:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: Attached Cacti plots show a sudden and significant drop in Rx signal from -56 to -65 around 10pm yesterday.� What can cause such a change?� The graphic shows 24 hours.� The SM says it has been registered for 21 hours since we rebooted AP to change channel so the gap in the middle is not a re-reg.� Must be a sample Cacti missed or is it?� Is it a coincidence this missing sample happens right when the signal level changes?� This is a P10 900 SM.� SM and AP running 13.1.3.� Link test is currently 100x100.� 0.3 miles from AP through some trees.� Very rural location.� AP at 65 feet AGL.� SM at 25 feet.� Eight other SMs on this same AP show absolutely no change in their signals when this specific SM has such a dramatic change.� Nothing special about weather last night.� This SM has been having these Rx signal swings for about 3 weeks.� AP has SM Tx power control set to -64. � On the previous channel it would drop when signal was at lower tier so we made this channel change.� None of the SMs hint at interference on any channel although another SM showed signs of interference too.� Our next closest 900 AP is 8.1 miles.� This SM reports beacon from only one AP.� All AP�s are GPS synced. � � PC Blaze Broadband � �
Re: [AFMUG] What can cause Rx signal drop like this on 900 SM
I've seen this on e.g. radwin with interference. Might be the calculation of rx-power is not correct with interference in some cases. - GENIAS INTERNET -- www.genias.net -- Stefan Englhardt Email: s...@genias.net Dr. Gesslerstr. 20 D-93051 Regensburg Tel: +49 941 942798-0 Fax: +49 941 942798-9 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Matt Jenkins via Af Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2014 18:53 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] What can cause Rx signal drop like this on 900 SM Interference shouldn't cause a drop in DB level. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 11/21/2014 09:47 AM, David via Af wrote: That or neighbouring wisp with other gear. � On 11/21/2014 10:27 AM, Jerry Richardson via Af wrote: That my first guess as well, alignment. � *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 8:24 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What can cause Rx signal drop like this on 900 SM � We have seen this when a tree or branch fell on the SM.� Saw something like this when the SM was mounted on a tree and the tree fell down (amazingly, the SM stayed registered, even though the yagi was pointing into the ground). bp part-15@SkylineBroadbandService � On 11/21/2014 7:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: Attached Cacti plots show a sudden and significant drop in Rx signal from -56 to -65 around 10pm yesterday.� What can cause such a change?� The graphic shows 24 hours.� The SM says it has been registered for 21 hours since we rebooted AP to change channel so the gap in the middle is not a re-reg.� Must be a sample Cacti missed or is it?� Is it a coincidence this missing sample happens right when the signal level changes?� This is a P10 900 SM.� SM and AP running 13.1.3.� Link test is currently 100x100.� 0.3 miles from AP through some trees.� Very rural location.� AP at 65 feet AGL.� SM at 25 feet.� Eight other SMs on this same AP show absolutely no change in their signals when this specific SM has such a dramatic change.� Nothing special about weather last night.� This SM has been having these Rx signal swings for about 3 weeks.� AP has SM Tx power control set to -64. � On the previous channel it would drop when signal was at lower tier so we made this channel change.� None of the SMs hint at interference on any channel although another SM showed signs of interference too.� Our next closest 900 AP is 8.1 miles.� This SM reports beacon from only one AP.� All AP�s are GPS synced. � � PC Blaze Broadband � �
[AFMUG] Cambium Outlet - Who doesn't like a bargain?
All, You may or may not have noticed but Cambium is trying a new concept on our web site called Cambium Outlet to make available at substantial discount material that we have in excess. The page can be viewed at: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/cambium-outlet The list will be updated on a periodic basis, approximately every two to three months, based on changes in part number inventory. We welcome any suggestions to improve the page and process. Happy hunting! Scott
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Outlet - Who doesn't like a bargain?
dear cambium, please just offer us one low price year round and stop with the speed keys for SMs. I live in NW CO where we can install APs and backhauls from May to Oct. The rest of the year it's too snowy, icy and cold out to even try to get to our towers, all of which are above 7,000 feet MSL and several are above 10,000 MSL. a special price on APs or backhauls from Oct to May does me no good and I will simply ignore your advertising attempts. We install SMs year round. every time we go to purchase SMs (and we buy a lot) the price changes $20-40 per SM. Please make this stop...I'd like to know my costs are stable and not blowing in the wind so that i can get busy installing more clients and therefore buying more SMs from you. Also with regards to the license keys for the SMs, this is a huge extra cost burden and the key is stuck to the device for eternity so i there for have to constantly track which SM has which key and what plan the client is subscribed to. When they cancel i have to set aside as special inventory all the keyed SMs. So now we have to stock 900, 2.4 and 5.7 FSK, 5.4 430, and 5Ghz 450 20Mbps and unlimited...That's 6 different SMs to track and stock and a lot of times the unlimited 450s that come back into inventory get mixed up and redeployed to a client that only needs a 20Mbps key :-/ also we have to stock and track the keys in the licensing portal so that we don't run out. YOU ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING LIGHTBULBS (SMs)...SELL ME MORE SMs AND YOU WILL MAKE MORE MONEY. 2 cents -Sean On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Scott Imhoff via Af af@afmug.com wrote: All, You may or may not have noticed but Cambium is trying a new concept on our web site called “Cambium Outlet” to make available at substantial discount material that we have in excess. The page can be viewed at: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/cambium-outlet The list will be updated on a periodic basis, approximately every two to three months, based on changes in part number inventory. We welcome any suggestions to improve the page and process. Happy hunting! Scott
[AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh
Dear Cambium, Since CNUT is a Java program and you support the Macintosh with a lot of your other software (i.e. link planner) can you make a version of CNUT that runs on the Mac??? I know a few years ago someone hacked a version together and it worked so it should be possible since it's Java. Thanks, sean
Re: [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh
It would be cheaper if they bought you a netbook with windows and overnight shipped it to you. $200 vs $20,000 And throw in a couple free $20 dollar license keys too! ((ducking)) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 1:09 PM To: af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh Dear Cambium, Since CNUT is a Java program and you support the Macintosh with a lot of your other software (i.e. link planner) can you make a version of CNUT that runs on the Mac??? I know a few years ago someone hacked a version together and it worked so it should be possible since it's Java. Thanks, sean
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Outlet - Who doesn't like a bargain?
Sean, Thanks for the constructive feedback. We are working on a couple of ideas that align to your comments that you will hear more about in 2015. Fundamentally I agree that keys should be portable but not an easy nut to crack; however, we are working with that in mind. My email address is scott.imh...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:scott.imh...@cambiumnetworks.com and if you don’t mind I would like to hear more specifics on your experience with variable pricing on the SMs ranging $20-$40 with each transaction – that statement surprised me a bit. Scott From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 12:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Outlet - Who doesn't like a bargain? dear cambium, please just offer us one low price year round and stop with the speed keys for SMs. I live in NW CO where we can install APs and backhauls from May to Oct. The rest of the year it's too snowy, icy and cold out to even try to get to our towers, all of which are above 7,000 feet MSL and several are above 10,000 MSL. a special price on APs or backhauls from Oct to May does me no good and I will simply ignore your advertising attempts. We install SMs year round. every time we go to purchase SMs (and we buy a lot) the price changes $20-40 per SM. Please make this stop...I'd like to know my costs are stable and not blowing in the wind so that i can get busy installing more clients and therefore buying more SMs from you. Also with regards to the license keys for the SMs, this is a huge extra cost burden and the key is stuck to the device for eternity so i there for have to constantly track which SM has which key and what plan the client is subscribed to. When they cancel i have to set aside as special inventory all the keyed SMs. So now we have to stock 900, 2.4 and 5.7 FSK, 5.4 430, and 5Ghz 450 20Mbps and unlimited...That's 6 different SMs to track and stock and a lot of times the unlimited 450s that come back into inventory get mixed up and redeployed to a client that only needs a 20Mbps key :-/ also we have to stock and track the keys in the licensing portal so that we don't run out. YOU ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING LIGHTBULBS (SMs)...SELL ME MORE SMs AND YOU WILL MAKE MORE MONEY. 2 cents -Sean On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Scott Imhoff via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: All, You may or may not have noticed but Cambium is trying a new concept on our web site called “Cambium Outlet” to make available at substantial discount material that we have in excess. The page can be viewed at: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/cambium-outlet The list will be updated on a periodic basis, approximately every two to three months, based on changes in part number inventory. We welcome any suggestions to improve the page and process. Happy hunting! Scott
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
That’s our policy also. Then we get to manage them. Need a dual band AirGateway next that’s less than $100. We are seeing about 40Mbps through the AirGateways which is more than most people need but I’m ready for a 5GHz version. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 10:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's yeah, air routers are so cheap to give the customer its not worth not doing On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi, This is why we just included a free WiFi router with all of our installations. It wasn't a separate item on their bill, it was just part of our service. Then we had control of the router, and could actually test clear to the router from our NOC. The customers liked it because they didn't have to worry about the router, and when it failed we just replaced it, no charge. Again... customer service is what wins the day. :) Travis On 11/21/2014 9:00 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I really question if customers want a device to help them troubleshoot. More like if we (a bunch of network admins) were the customer, that’s what we’d want. It’s like the guys on Big Bang Theory trying to imagine what a regular person would want. The hurdle seems to be getting them to pay someone to fix problems in their internal network. If you can monetize this by selling an onsite support plan, or by dispatching from a separate side of your business that charges for service calls, that is good, as long as you can say this is not an Internet service problem, it is a customer network problem. Otherwise, refer them to a local computer shop that does house calls. What amazes me is the reluctance to pay us $5/mo for a managed Mikrotik router that comes with free replacement, phone support and onsite support. All of a sudden it’s not so interesting to have us solve the problem for them. Yet they will go to Best Buy and let the kid talk them into a $200 Linksys AC router as the solution to all their problems. I guess that points back to me being a poor salesman compared to the kid at Best Buy. Probably because I know the managed router is a good deal for the customer, so if they don’t want it, I’m only going to push it so hard. While Best Buy makes tons more money on a $200 router than they do on a $50 router and doesn’t give a rat’s ass what’s good for the customer, so they sell the hell out of the expensive router. And people like going to stores and buying cool gadgets. Maybe I need to rub some “new car smell” on the Mikrotik routers or something. So I guess if your proposed gizmo has a “new car smell” or “latest iPhone” aura to it, people might buy it. Just make sure that red light doesn’t have false detects, or it will just make people complain their Internet is down because the red light is on. From: David via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Yeah we put a little thought into ours on that behalf. The customer will have to go to the trouble of signing up for these alerts and it will only show alerts associated with their tower or CPE. Even any scheduled work being done on that site. Alerts for outages on their connection only is all that will be displayed. We are not doing this for anyone on our FSK network only the 450 net. We already have the Portal for billing. On 11/20/2014 11:47 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: *An app for my phone? Yuck *Something that pushes to cutomers letting them know we're having issues? Yuck *Something that let's the customer verify their particular service is good/not? That'd be great! *Web portal for billing, easy peasy Why a node fails probably won't be detectable by a machine - in some cases it's difficult for a person to narrow it down (radio, connectors, cables, ethernet, surge, etc) but I'd like to see ideas on this of course. I use/suggest an outgoing message. IF the customer is having issues and they do call us, they hear we're having issues and hang up. This means that we're not telling 100 people there are issues when 25 are effecting ending up with 75 calls next month saying we owe them a credit when they had nothing to do with an outage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at
Re: [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh
+1. I run CNUT in parallels with coherent mode. Looks just like a MAC window. I do the same with Winbox. The MAC ports for Winbox are awful. Very slow and buggy. On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Or fire up Parallels … *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Joe via Af *Gesendet:* Freitag, 21. November 2014 20:26 *An:* af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh It would be cheaper if they bought you a netbook with windows and overnight shipped it to you. $200 vs $20,000 And throw in a couple free $20 dollar license keys too! ((ducking)) *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett via Af *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 1:09 PM *To:* af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh Dear Cambium, Since CNUT is a Java program and you support the Macintosh with a lot of your other software (i.e. link planner) can you make a version of CNUT that runs on the Mac??? I know a few years ago someone hacked a version together and it worked so it should be possible since it's Java. Thanks, sean
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
I have a Unifi 802.11ac dual band AP in my house. I had the same SSID (Toobs) for both 2.4 and 5 GHz. Not a single device used 5 GHz. I've seen changed the SSID of 5 GHz (Toobs 5ghz) and I now know that my Xbox one and cell phone will connect to it. It also works better than 2.4 (noise thing I'm sure). It seems to be there's a lack of a solution to push things off 2.4 onto 5. I've heard that Ruckus has some trickery to this that may help. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That’s our policy also. Then we get to manage them. Need a dual band AirGateway next that’s less than $100. We are seeing about 40Mbps through the AirGateways which is more than most people need but I’m ready for a 5GHz version. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 10:16 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's yeah, air routers are so cheap to give the customer its not worth not doing On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi, This is why we just included a free WiFi router with all of our installations. It wasn't a separate item on their bill, it was just part of our service. Then we had control of the router, and could actually test clear to the router from our NOC. The customers liked it because they didn't have to worry about the router, and when it failed we just replaced it, no charge. Again... customer service is what wins the day. :) Travis On 11/21/2014 9:00 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I really question if customers want a device to help them troubleshoot. More like if we (a bunch of network admins) were the customer, that’s what we’d want. It’s like the guys on Big Bang Theory trying to imagine what a regular person would want. The hurdle seems to be getting them to pay someone to fix problems in their internal network. If you can monetize this by selling an onsite support plan, or by dispatching from a separate side of your business that charges for service calls, that is good, as long as you can say this is not an Internet service problem, it is a customer network problem. Otherwise, refer them to a local computer shop that does house calls. What amazes me is the reluctance to pay us $5/mo for a managed Mikrotik router that comes with free replacement, phone support and onsite support. All of a sudden it’s not so interesting to have us solve the problem for them. Yet they will go to Best Buy and let the kid talk them into a $200 Linksys AC router as the solution to all their problems. I guess that points back to me being a poor salesman compared to the kid at Best Buy. Probably because I know the managed router is a good deal for the customer, so if they don’t want it, I’m only going to push it so hard. While Best Buy makes tons more money on a $200 router than they do on a $50 router and doesn’t give a rat’s ass what’s good for the customer, so they sell the hell out of the expensive router. And people like going to stores and buying cool gadgets. Maybe I need to rub some “new car smell” on the Mikrotik routers or something. So I guess if your proposed gizmo has a “new car smell” or “latest iPhone” aura to it, people might buy it. Just make sure that red light doesn’t have false detects, or it will just make people complain their Internet is down because the red light is on. *From:* David via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 9:27 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Yeah we put a little thought into ours on that behalf. The customer will have to go to the trouble of signing up for these alerts and it will only show alerts associated with their tower or CPE. Even any scheduled work being done on that site. Alerts for outages on their connection only is all that will be displayed. We are not doing this for anyone on our FSK network only the 450 net. We already have the Portal for billing. On 11/20/2014 11:47 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: *An app for my phone? Yuck *Something that pushes to cutomers letting them know we're having issues? Yuck *Something that let's the customer verify their particular service is good/not? That'd be great! *Web portal for billing, easy peasy Why a node fails probably won't be detectable by a machine - in some cases it's difficult for a person to narrow it down (radio, connectors, cables, ethernet, surge, etc) but I'd like to see ideas on this of course. I use/suggest an outgoing message. IF the customer is having issues and they do call us, they hear we're having issues and hang up. This means that we're not telling 100 people there are issues when 25 are effecting ending up with 75 calls next month saying we owe
Re: [AFMUG] [JOB] Network Consultant Position
Why not virtual? Saves everyone money. ryan On 11/21/14 7:08 AM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote: Yep it stripped it LPDF.. L Sorry to include this in the body of the post. *Consulting Network Engineer* Link Technologies, Inc. is looking for an experienced network engineer. Primary responsibilities will include working with clients of Link Technologies, Inc. over the phone and e-mail to resolve, install, and assist with all aspects of networking as it relates to ISP networks. Consulting services include, routing, hardware recommendations, RF path analysis, switching, and layer 2 and layer 3 network design and implementation. *Who is Link Technologies, Inc.?* Link Technologies, Inc., works with thousands of ISPs around North America, brining high level, Tier 3 4 Support to networks that do not have those level of engineering amiable to them. We typically work directly with the on-site tech or business owners, no tier 1 support for end users. We provide network consulting helping Wireless ISPs, configure their routers, and provide bandwidth shaping, queuing, authentication solutions and configurations for MikroTik RouterOS systems. We use a number of technologies, including OSPF and BGP to provide routing support. We also help track down slow wireless links, troubleshoot end user issues (not with the end user typically), and provider hardware recommendations on tower sites, installation issues, and connectivity help.Friendly and casual office environment, lunch is provided every day. *Job Functions:* ·Work with Customers over Phone, Internet, E-Mail ·Make Hardware Recommendations (will work with sales engineer as needed) ·Setup Routers, Wireless Access Points and RF Radios as needed ·Provide comprehensive notes and time tracking in ticketing system ·Extensive Work with MikroTik RouterOS ·Limited work with Cisco, and Juniper Devices ·Setup VPNs, including PPTP, L2TP, IPSEC, and OVPN. ·Setup and configuration of VLANs on HP, Dell, Net gear, MikroTik Switches. ·Extensive Routing work, including OSPF. ·Bridged Network Conversions, to routing networks. ·QoS and queuing assistance ·VoIP Prioritization ·Help with Various Radius Servers and Proxy Servers ·Configuration of Access Points ·Setup Hotspots *Knowledge:* ·Excellent understanding of Layer 2 and Layer 3 Network Design** ·TCP/IP protocol Stack, including ICMP, TCP, UDP, common ports and protocols.** ·Extensive Experience in Static Routing, Sub Netting, and OSPF Configuration** ·VLAN and Protected Port systems** ·Cisco, Juniper Experience a Plus** ·MikroTik Experience required.** ·Excellent Verbal and written skills.** ·Linux, free radius, bind DNS experience a plus** ·Windows Server, IIS, and DNS experience a plus** ·Ubiquiti Access Point and Point to Point Radio experience a plus** ·RF basics, channel planning, EIRP, bands.** ·WISP Operations, installation, experience a plus** ·SAF, Cambium Radio Equipment Experience a plus** *Please submit your resume and salary requirements to **j...@linktechs.net* mailto:j...@linktechs.net** ** *All positions are located in House Springs, MO 63051. In-Office, some travel may be required (less than 10 weeks), please provide copies of any certifications. May be required to be on-call no more than one weekend per month.* ** Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via Af *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 8:22 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [JOB] Network Consultant Position I think you're missing an attached PDF? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Link Technologies, Inc. is looking for a few good engineers to add to our consulting group. If interested, review the PDF and send resume and salary requirements to j...@linktechs.net mailto:j...@linktechs.net Thanks, DennisBurgessSignature www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 – dmburg...@linktechs.net mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net -- D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc broadband | telco | colo | community PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284 360-799-0552 | gtalk: rsp...@irongoat.net
Re: [AFMUG] FS: Network consultant looking for gigs
I think it hides email addresses now on the list. Can you send me an email at sterling at Avative dot net? -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Robertson via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] FS: Network consultant looking for gigs Hi, folks! I'm not big on fancy, glossy collateral (why do they call it that, anyway?) so I'm just laying out my qualifications and reasons why you should hire me to solve all those pesky network problems you don't have time or staff for. So, just like Dennis' coincidental posting, there's no attached PDF. (Sorry, Dennis! :-) ) I started Great Basin Internet Services in Reno in 1993, and sold it a couple of years ago. Since then, wanting extra cash flow (don't we all?) I've been consulting for them, and a handful of other ISPs. Most recently I've been involved with a greenfield fiber project in rural Nevada. So I have plenty of real world experience. I'm very happy playing with Layer 1 on up, VLANs, VoIP, both IPv4 and IPv6, MPLS, OSPF, BGP, NAT, DNS, DHCP, Radius, and probably most any other acronym. I'm handy with some of the administrative stuff, like dealing with ARIN for instance. Need more redundancy? I'm your guy. I know my way around most routers and switches, especially anything with a Cisco-like interface. I'm still learning Mikrotik, but I've learned enough to have set up an MPLS/OSPF/BGP network of CCRs, through both the CLI and the web interface. I don't really know the scripting stuff yet, but I can learn it if need be. I have lots of experience with Cambium licensed and unlicensed radios, and with Ubiquiti. I have lots of out-of-date experience with Canopy, and absolutely no field experience with the new ePMP stuff. (Still waiting for Cambium to send me my free AP and SU for attending a seminar awhile ago.) So that's about it. Essentially, there's nothing involving the ISP business I don't know or can't figure out. I'm willing to travel, but most of the work I do can be done remotely. Oh, and I'm a Linux guy. I know my way around Windows, but if you need someone to set up your Windows Server stuff, you can probably find someone more qualified. If you're interested, please hit me off-list for more information, rates, all that sort of stuff. Hey Dennis, if you like what you see, you can consider this to be a resume - but I'm not moving to Missouri!
[AFMUG] [FS] Just a few seats left
Location: Orlando, FL Dates: Dec 8-12, 2014 Course: MTCNA+ (Standard MTCNA PLUS a LOT) Training MTCNA+ in Orlando, Florida. Not many seats left, but I have room for a few more. See the details at http://store.wispgear.net/ for the training content. If you're a WISPA member, send me an email to but...@butchevans.com for the discount code. -- Butch Evans 702-537-0979 Network Support and Engineering http://store.wispgear.net/ http://www.butchevans.com/
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
Get better devices? In my GF's house, it's about 50/50 2.4 and 5. Same SSID. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 1:48:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's I have a Unifi 802.11ac dual band AP in my house. I had the same SSID (Toobs) for both 2.4 and 5 GHz. Not a single device used 5 GHz. I've seen changed the SSID of 5 GHz (Toobs 5ghz) and I now know that my Xbox one and cell phone will connect to it. It also works better than 2.4 (noise thing I'm sure). It seems to be there's a lack of a solution to push things off 2.4 onto 5. I've heard that Ruckus has some trickery to this that may help. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That’s our policy also. Then we get to manage them. Need a dual band AirGateway next that’s less than $100. We are seeing about 40Mbps through the AirGateways which is more than most people need but I’m ready for a 5GHz version. From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 10:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's yeah, air routers are so cheap to give the customer its not worth not doing On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi, This is why we just included a free WiFi router with all of our installations. It wasn't a separate item on their bill, it was just part of our service. Then we had control of the router, and could actually test clear to the router from our NOC. The customers liked it because they didn't have to worry about the router, and when it failed we just replaced it, no charge. Again... customer service is what wins the day. :) Travis On 11/21/2014 9:00 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: blockquote I really question if customers want a device to help them troubleshoot. More like if we (a bunch of network admins) were the customer, that’s what we’d want. It’s like the guys on Big Bang Theory trying to imagine what a regular person would want. The hurdle seems to be getting them to pay someone to fix problems in their internal network. If you can monetize this by selling an onsite support plan, or by dispatching from a separate side of your business that charges for service calls, that is good, as long as you can say this is not an Internet service problem, it is a customer network problem. Otherwise, refer them to a local computer shop that does house calls. What amazes me is the reluctance to pay us $5/mo for a managed Mikrotik router that comes with free replacement, phone support and onsite support. All of a sudden it’s not so interesting to have us solve the problem for them. Yet they will go to Best Buy and let the kid talk them into a $200 Linksys AC router as the solution to all their problems. I guess that points back to me being a poor salesman compared to the kid at Best Buy. Probably because I know the managed router is a good deal for the customer, so if they don’t want it, I’m only going to push it so hard. While Best Buy makes tons more money on a $200 router than they do on a $50 router and doesn’t give a rat’s ass what’s good for the customer, so they sell the hell out of the expensive router. And people like going to stores and buying cool gadgets. Maybe I need to rub some “new car smell” on the Mikrotik routers or something. So I guess if your proposed gizmo has a “new car smell” or “latest iPhone” aura to it, people might buy it. Just make sure that red light doesn’t have false detects, or it will just make people complain their Internet is down because the red light is on. From: David via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Yeah we put a little thought into ours on that behalf. The customer will have to go to the trouble of signing up for these alerts and it will only show alerts associated with their tower or CPE. Even any scheduled work being done on that site. Alerts for outages on their connection only is all that will be displayed. We are not doing this for anyone on our FSK network only the 450 net. We already have the Portal for billing. On 11/20/2014 11:47 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: blockquote *An app for my phone? Yuck *Something that pushes to cutomers letting them know we're having issues? Yuck *Something that let's the customer verify their particular service is good/not? That'd be great! *Web portal for billing, easy peasy Why a node fails probably won't be detectable by a machine - in some cases it's difficult for a person to narrow it down (radio,
Re: [AFMUG] v13.2 - ptp230
About that forum…. not my thing, sorry. I sent packet captures to Aaron that should show what makes it go boom. My guess is IGMPv2, possibly with VLAN tags. Mark On Nov 19, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Matt Mangriotis via Af af@afmug.com wrote: As Jonathan noted, we’ve gotten several reports of this nature, and are discussing it in this thread. http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Other-PTP-Solutions/PTP230-v13-2-100-cpu/m-p/36679#U36679 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Other-PTP-Solutions/PTP230-v13-2-100-cpu/m-p/36679#U36679 Thanks, Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:49 AM To: 'af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] v13.2 - ptp230 Yep loaded back 11.2 and now am able to ping the master and port is not flapping anymore….guess am going to have to make the same changes to the slave From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:54 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] v13.2 - ptp230 Oh side note, all the 230ptp we have are the 5.4ghz flavor, links range from a few miles to 10 miles, we have tested and seen this behavior on all different lengths and different links. We tested like 3 links one night with guys on both ends to make sure we saw the same behavior, all links fail to register, you normal get some registration range error. I have tested like 3 or 4 different version past 11.2, I gaveup about 6 months ago on this, and we are jest sticking to 11.2, all new links are 450ptp or licensed. Craig R. Schmaderer CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc. Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058 Direct: 402-372-1052 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:50 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] v13.2 - ptp230 Sounds like whatever you do don’t upgrade, just a side note, we run all of our 230ptp on 11.2. That is the last stable firmware that I have seen for this product. I have worked with cambium on the no registration problem and gotten no where, its like they gave up on this product. Everything I have tested since 11.2 has registration problems, either they won’t link or they take 10, 20 or whatever they feel like minutes to link. So we just stay on 11.2. I have never seen any issues for us on 11.2. YMMV Craig R. Schmaderer CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc. Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058 Direct: 402-372-1052 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:37 AM To: 'af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] v13.2 - ptp230 Looks like my port is flapping on my switch From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:32 AM To: 'af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] v13.2 - ptp230 Just tried it on ptp 230 5.7Ghz and both sides never came back up…updated the slave side first never registered back so I upgraded the master side can’t even ping that anymore From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathieu via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:16 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] v13.2 - ptp230 Hi, Has anyone tried v13.2 on a ptp230 5.4GHz link ? This link goes down regularly since the upgrade, and I'm seeing events like this : CPU Utilization (Cur/Max): (100%/100%) Total Time : 1975809 us TASK TASK % RT Tot TASK Tot S T A C K Task PC NAME PRI RT MAX Cyc Preempt CtxSw (Sz/Cur%/Max%)OV Status Addr - SYNC 4 ( 0%) 834 6725 0 9 (12284/ 2%/30%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x67ed4 WDOG 5 ( 0%) 51 243 0 6 (12284/ 2%/ 8%) Ready 0xa29b1c LEDT 6 ( 0%) 72 347 0 6 (12284/ 2%/ 9%) Ready 0x67ed4 DIAG 10 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/10%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x67ed4 APMT 11 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 9%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x67ed4 trap 14 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/32%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x67ed4 SESS 15 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/47%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x67ed4 SOCK 16 ( 0%) 235 757 4 8 (12284/ 6%/26%) Suspend 0x67ed4 COMM 17 ( 0%) 67 67 0 1 (12284/ 2%/29%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x67ed4 VLAN 20 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/10%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x11 APPT 22 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 9%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x67ed4 ctic 23 ( 0%) 534 3666 8 28 (12284/ 2%/ 9%) Ready 0x67ed4 Inet 24 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/24%) Suspend 0x67ed4 BDMT 27 ( 0%) 51 96 0 2 (12284/ 2%/ 9%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x67ed4 BDQT 28 ( 0%) 474 2146 0 20 (12284/ 2%/12%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x67ed4 AUTH 31 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 3%/11%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x67ed4 SNMP 32 ( 0%) 0 0
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
What devices started using 5 GHz? Every device I've ever used just went to 2.4 first and stayed there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Get better devices? In my GF's house, it's about 50/50 2.4 and 5. Same SSID. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, November 21, 2014 1:48:42 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's I have a Unifi 802.11ac dual band AP in my house. I had the same SSID (Toobs) for both 2.4 and 5 GHz. Not a single device used 5 GHz. I've seen changed the SSID of 5 GHz (Toobs 5ghz) and I now know that my Xbox one and cell phone will connect to it. It also works better than 2.4 (noise thing I'm sure). It seems to be there's a lack of a solution to push things off 2.4 onto 5. I've heard that Ruckus has some trickery to this that may help. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That’s our policy also. Then we get to manage them. Need a dual band AirGateway next that’s less than $100. We are seeing about 40Mbps through the AirGateways which is more than most people need but I’m ready for a 5GHz version. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 10:16 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's yeah, air routers are so cheap to give the customer its not worth not doing On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi, This is why we just included a free WiFi router with all of our installations. It wasn't a separate item on their bill, it was just part of our service. Then we had control of the router, and could actually test clear to the router from our NOC. The customers liked it because they didn't have to worry about the router, and when it failed we just replaced it, no charge. Again... customer service is what wins the day. :) Travis On 11/21/2014 9:00 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I really question if customers want a device to help them troubleshoot. More like if we (a bunch of network admins) were the customer, that’s what we’d want. It’s like the guys on Big Bang Theory trying to imagine what a regular person would want. The hurdle seems to be getting them to pay someone to fix problems in their internal network. If you can monetize this by selling an onsite support plan, or by dispatching from a separate side of your business that charges for service calls, that is good, as long as you can say this is not an Internet service problem, it is a customer network problem. Otherwise, refer them to a local computer shop that does house calls. What amazes me is the reluctance to pay us $5/mo for a managed Mikrotik router that comes with free replacement, phone support and onsite support. All of a sudden it’s not so interesting to have us solve the problem for them. Yet they will go to Best Buy and let the kid talk them into a $200 Linksys AC router as the solution to all their problems. I guess that points back to me being a poor salesman compared to the kid at Best Buy. Probably because I know the managed router is a good deal for the customer, so if they don’t want it, I’m only going to push it so hard. While Best Buy makes tons more money on a $200 router than they do on a $50 router and doesn’t give a rat’s ass what’s good for the customer, so they sell the hell out of the expensive router. And people like going to stores and buying cool gadgets. Maybe I need to rub some “new car smell” on the Mikrotik routers or something. So I guess if your proposed gizmo has a “new car smell” or “latest iPhone” aura to it, people might buy it. Just make sure that red light doesn’t have false detects, or it will just make people complain their Internet is down because the red light is on. *From:* David via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 9:27 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Yeah we put a little thought into ours on that behalf. The customer will have to go to the trouble of signing up for these alerts and it will only show alerts associated with their tower or CPE. Even any scheduled work being done on that site. Alerts for outages on their connection only is all that will be displayed. We are not doing this for anyone on our FSK network only the 450 net. We
Re: [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh
yes that's what i'm doing but i'd like for more of our office staff to be able to access CNUT and installing parallels and keeping windows working properly is an arduous task. much easier to just run a native Mac app (well Java actually) than to fire up winblows etc etc. there's a linux version so i don't see why it'd be difficult to make a mac version. On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Eric Muehleisen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1. I run CNUT in parallels with coherent mode. Looks just like a MAC window. I do the same with Winbox. The MAC ports for Winbox are awful. Very slow and buggy. On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Or fire up Parallels … *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Joe via Af *Gesendet:* Freitag, 21. November 2014 20:26 *An:* af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh It would be cheaper if they bought you a netbook with windows and overnight shipped it to you. $200 vs $20,000 And throw in a couple free $20 dollar license keys too! ((ducking)) *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett via Af *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 1:09 PM *To:* af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh Dear Cambium, Since CNUT is a Java program and you support the Macintosh with a lot of your other software (i.e. link planner) can you make a version of CNUT that runs on the Mac??? I know a few years ago someone hacked a version together and it worked so it should be possible since it's Java. Thanks, sean
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
Currently there's three iPads on 5 Ghz. Stuck on 2.4 now are a printer an airrouter and an iPad. Of course most people are at work now, so tonight it'll be a different mix. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:28:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's What devices started using 5 GHz? Every device I've ever used just went to 2.4 first and stayed there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Get better devices? In my GF's house, it's about 50/50 2.4 and 5. Same SSID. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 1:48:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's I have a Unifi 802.11ac dual band AP in my house. I had the same SSID (Toobs) for both 2.4 and 5 GHz. Not a single device used 5 GHz. I've seen changed the SSID of 5 GHz (Toobs 5ghz) and I now know that my Xbox one and cell phone will connect to it. It also works better than 2.4 (noise thing I'm sure). It seems to be there's a lack of a solution to push things off 2.4 onto 5. I've heard that Ruckus has some trickery to this that may help. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote That’s our policy also. Then we get to manage them. Need a dual band AirGateway next that’s less than $100. We are seeing about 40Mbps through the AirGateways which is more than most people need but I’m ready for a 5GHz version. From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 10:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's yeah, air routers are so cheap to give the customer its not worth not doing On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi, This is why we just included a free WiFi router with all of our installations. It wasn't a separate item on their bill, it was just part of our service. Then we had control of the router, and could actually test clear to the router from our NOC. The customers liked it because they didn't have to worry about the router, and when it failed we just replaced it, no charge. Again... customer service is what wins the day. :) Travis On 11/21/2014 9:00 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: blockquote I really question if customers want a device to help them troubleshoot. More like if we (a bunch of network admins) were the customer, that’s what we’d want. It’s like the guys on Big Bang Theory trying to imagine what a regular person would want. The hurdle seems to be getting them to pay someone to fix problems in their internal network. If you can monetize this by selling an onsite support plan, or by dispatching from a separate side of your business that charges for service calls, that is good, as long as you can say this is not an Internet service problem, it is a customer network problem. Otherwise, refer them to a local computer shop that does house calls. What amazes me is the reluctance to pay us $5/mo for a managed Mikrotik router that comes with free replacement, phone support and onsite support. All of a sudden it’s not so interesting to have us solve the problem for them. Yet they will go to Best Buy and let the kid talk them into a $200 Linksys AC router as the solution to all their problems. I guess that points back to me being a poor salesman compared to the kid at Best Buy. Probably because I know the managed router is a good deal for the customer, so if they don’t want it, I’m only going to push it so hard. While Best Buy makes tons more money on a $200 router than they do on a $50 router and doesn’t give a rat’s ass what’s good for the customer, so they sell the hell out of the expensive router. And people like going to stores and buying cool gadgets. Maybe I need to rub some “new car smell” on the Mikrotik routers or something. So I guess if your proposed gizmo has a “new car smell” or “latest iPhone” aura to it, people might buy it. Just make sure that red light doesn’t have false detects, or it will just make people complain their Internet is down because the red light is on. From: David via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Yeah we put a little thought into ours on that behalf. The customer will have to go to the trouble of signing up for these alerts and it will only show alerts
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
iPads are smart enough to do 5 GHz first, that's great! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Currently there's three iPads on 5 Ghz. Stuck on 2.4 now are a printer an airrouter and an iPad. Of course most people are at work now, so tonight it'll be a different mix. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, November 21, 2014 2:28:25 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's What devices started using 5 GHz? Every device I've ever used just went to 2.4 first and stayed there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Get better devices? In my GF's house, it's about 50/50 2.4 and 5. Same SSID. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, November 21, 2014 1:48:42 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's I have a Unifi 802.11ac dual band AP in my house. I had the same SSID (Toobs) for both 2.4 and 5 GHz. Not a single device used 5 GHz. I've seen changed the SSID of 5 GHz (Toobs 5ghz) and I now know that my Xbox one and cell phone will connect to it. It also works better than 2.4 (noise thing I'm sure). It seems to be there's a lack of a solution to push things off 2.4 onto 5. I've heard that Ruckus has some trickery to this that may help. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That’s our policy also. Then we get to manage them. Need a dual band AirGateway next that’s less than $100. We are seeing about 40Mbps through the AirGateways which is more than most people need but I’m ready for a 5GHz version. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 10:16 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's yeah, air routers are so cheap to give the customer its not worth not doing On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi, This is why we just included a free WiFi router with all of our installations. It wasn't a separate item on their bill, it was just part of our service. Then we had control of the router, and could actually test clear to the router from our NOC. The customers liked it because they didn't have to worry about the router, and when it failed we just replaced it, no charge. Again... customer service is what wins the day. :) Travis On 11/21/2014 9:00 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I really question if customers want a device to help them troubleshoot. More like if we (a bunch of network admins) were the customer, that’s what we’d want. It’s like the guys on Big Bang Theory trying to imagine what a regular person would want. The hurdle seems to be getting them to pay someone to fix problems in their internal network. If you can monetize this by selling an onsite support plan, or by dispatching from a separate side of your business that charges for service calls, that is good, as long as you can say this is not an Internet service problem, it is a customer network problem. Otherwise, refer them to a local computer shop that does house calls. What amazes me is the reluctance to pay us $5/mo for a managed Mikrotik router that comes with free replacement, phone support and onsite support. All of a sudden it’s not so interesting to have us solve the problem for them. Yet they will go to Best Buy and let the kid talk them into a $200 Linksys AC router as the solution to all their problems. I guess that points back to me being a poor salesman compared to the kid at Best Buy. Probably because I know the managed router is a good deal for the customer, so if they don’t want it, I’m only going to push it so hard. While Best Buy makes tons more money on a $200 router than they do on a $50 router and doesn’t give a rat’s ass what’s good for the customer, so they sell the hell out of the expensive router. And people like going to stores and buying cool gadgets. Maybe I need to rub some
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
iOS devices have a mechanism in place that picks the best network between 2.4 or 5ghz. I don't know specifically how it does it. All my iDevices including my MBP will choose 5ghz first. On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: iPads are smart enough to do 5 GHz first, that's great! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Currently there's three iPads on 5 Ghz. Stuck on 2.4 now are a printer an airrouter and an iPad. Of course most people are at work now, so tonight it'll be a different mix. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, November 21, 2014 2:28:25 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's What devices started using 5 GHz? Every device I've ever used just went to 2.4 first and stayed there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Get better devices? In my GF's house, it's about 50/50 2.4 and 5. Same SSID. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, November 21, 2014 1:48:42 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's I have a Unifi 802.11ac dual band AP in my house. I had the same SSID (Toobs) for both 2.4 and 5 GHz. Not a single device used 5 GHz. I've seen changed the SSID of 5 GHz (Toobs 5ghz) and I now know that my Xbox one and cell phone will connect to it. It also works better than 2.4 (noise thing I'm sure). It seems to be there's a lack of a solution to push things off 2.4 onto 5. I've heard that Ruckus has some trickery to this that may help. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That’s our policy also. Then we get to manage them. Need a dual band AirGateway next that’s less than $100. We are seeing about 40Mbps through the AirGateways which is more than most people need but I’m ready for a 5GHz version. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 10:16 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's yeah, air routers are so cheap to give the customer its not worth not doing On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi, This is why we just included a free WiFi router with all of our installations. It wasn't a separate item on their bill, it was just part of our service. Then we had control of the router, and could actually test clear to the router from our NOC. The customers liked it because they didn't have to worry about the router, and when it failed we just replaced it, no charge. Again... customer service is what wins the day. :) Travis On 11/21/2014 9:00 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I really question if customers want a device to help them troubleshoot. More like if we (a bunch of network admins) were the customer, that’s what we’d want. It’s like the guys on Big Bang Theory trying to imagine what a regular person would want. The hurdle seems to be getting them to pay someone to fix problems in their internal network. If you can monetize this by selling an onsite support plan, or by dispatching from a separate side of your business that charges for service calls, that is good, as long as you can say this is not an Internet service problem, it is a customer network problem. Otherwise, refer them to a local computer shop that does house calls. What amazes me is the reluctance to pay us $5/mo for a managed Mikrotik router that comes with free replacement, phone support and onsite support. All of a sudden it’s not so interesting to have us solve the problem for them. Yet they will go to Best Buy and let the kid talk them into a $200 Linksys AC router as the solution to all their problems. I guess that points back to me being a poor salesman compared to the kid at Best Buy. Probably because I know the managed router is a good deal for the customer, so if they don’t want it, I’m only going to push it so hard. While Best
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
Mine will too, and won't let go until I kick it over to 2.4Ghz when I go outside. Mix of AP's. On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Eric Muehleisen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: iOS devices have a mechanism in place that picks the best network between 2.4 or 5ghz. I don't know specifically how it does it. All my iDevices including my MBP will choose 5ghz first. On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: iPads are smart enough to do 5 GHz first, that's great! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Currently there's three iPads on 5 Ghz. Stuck on 2.4 now are a printer an airrouter and an iPad. Of course most people are at work now, so tonight it'll be a different mix. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, November 21, 2014 2:28:25 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's What devices started using 5 GHz? Every device I've ever used just went to 2.4 first and stayed there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Get better devices? In my GF's house, it's about 50/50 2.4 and 5. Same SSID. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, November 21, 2014 1:48:42 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's I have a Unifi 802.11ac dual band AP in my house. I had the same SSID (Toobs) for both 2.4 and 5 GHz. Not a single device used 5 GHz. I've seen changed the SSID of 5 GHz (Toobs 5ghz) and I now know that my Xbox one and cell phone will connect to it. It also works better than 2.4 (noise thing I'm sure). It seems to be there's a lack of a solution to push things off 2.4 onto 5. I've heard that Ruckus has some trickery to this that may help. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That’s our policy also. Then we get to manage them. Need a dual band AirGateway next that’s less than $100. We are seeing about 40Mbps through the AirGateways which is more than most people need but I’m ready for a 5GHz version. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 10:16 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's yeah, air routers are so cheap to give the customer its not worth not doing On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi, This is why we just included a free WiFi router with all of our installations. It wasn't a separate item on their bill, it was just part of our service. Then we had control of the router, and could actually test clear to the router from our NOC. The customers liked it because they didn't have to worry about the router, and when it failed we just replaced it, no charge. Again... customer service is what wins the day. :) Travis On 11/21/2014 9:00 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I really question if customers want a device to help them troubleshoot. More like if we (a bunch of network admins) were the customer, that’s what we’d want. It’s like the guys on Big Bang Theory trying to imagine what a regular person would want. The hurdle seems to be getting them to pay someone to fix problems in their internal network. If you can monetize this by selling an onsite support plan, or by dispatching from a separate side of your business that charges for service calls, that is good, as long as you can say this is not an Internet service problem, it is a customer network problem. Otherwise, refer them to a local computer shop that does house calls. What amazes me is the reluctance to pay us $5/mo for a managed Mikrotik router that comes with free replacement, phone support and onsite support. All of a sudden it’s not so interesting to have us solve the problem for them. Yet they will go to Best Buy and let the kid talk them into a $200 Linksys AC router as the solution to all their problems. I guess that points back to me being a poor salesman
Re: [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh
Dont want to start a Apple/MS discussion. We use Windows just because of this. Winbox, Cnut, Radwin Manager, Dude, … Von: Josh Luthman via Af Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2014 21:29 An: Josh Luthman via Af yes that's what i'm doing but i'd like for more of our office staff to be able to access CNUT and installing parallels and keeping windows working properly is an arduous task. much easier to just run a native Mac app (well Java actually) than to fire up winblows etc etc. there's a linux version so i don't see why it'd be difficult to make a mac version. On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Eric Muehleisen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1. I run CNUT in parallels with coherent mode. Looks just like a MAC window. I do the same with Winbox. The MAC ports for Winbox are awful. Very slow and buggy. On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Or fire up Parallels … *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Joe via Af *Gesendet:* Freitag, 21. November 2014 20:26 *An:* af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh It would be cheaper if they bought you a netbook with windows and overnight shipped it to you. $200 vs $20,000 And throw in a couple free $20 dollar license keys too! ((ducking)) *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett via Af *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 1:09 PM *To:* af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh Dear Cambium, Since CNUT is a Java program and you support the Macintosh with a lot of your other software (i.e. link planner) can you make a version of CNUT that runs on the Mac??? I know a few years ago someone hacked a version together and it worked so it should be possible since it's Java. Thanks, sean
Re: [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh
the only reason i fire up winblows is for CNUT everything else in my world is either a Mac app or it's thru a browser. 2 cents On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Dont want to start a Apple/MS discussion. We use Windows just because of this. Winbox, Cnut, Radwin Manager, Dude, … *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Gesendet:* Freitag, 21. November 2014 21:29 *An:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com yes that's what i'm doing but i'd like for more of our office staff to be able to access CNUT and installing parallels and keeping windows working properly is an arduous task. much easier to just run a native Mac app (well Java actually) than to fire up winblows etc etc. there's a linux version so i don't see why it'd be difficult to make a mac version. On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Eric Muehleisen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1. I run CNUT in parallels with coherent mode. Looks just like a MAC window. I do the same with Winbox. The MAC ports for Winbox are awful. Very slow and buggy. On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Or fire up Parallels … *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Joe via Af *Gesendet:* Freitag, 21. November 2014 20:26 *An:* af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh It would be cheaper if they bought you a netbook with windows and overnight shipped it to you. $200 vs $20,000 And throw in a couple free $20 dollar license keys too! ((ducking)) *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett via Af *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 1:09 PM *To:* af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh Dear Cambium, Since CNUT is a Java program and you support the Macintosh with a lot of your other software (i.e. link planner) can you make a version of CNUT that runs on the Mac??? I know a few years ago someone hacked a version together and it worked so it should be possible since it's Java. Thanks, sean
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Outlet - Who doesn't like a bargain?
I hate the licenses, we even stopped ordering 4Mb SMs because we're constantly upgrading them. I would be fine with a standard SM being capped at 20Mbps. We've used very few unlimited SMs so far. Make the standard SM like $239 (where the 10Mb is now) and unlimited $100 more. What about limiting the max burst rate on the standard SM (20) to say 40Mbps aggregate? And then unlimited gets no MBR cap like we have now.. just an idea. On 11/21/2014 2:31 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: thanks for the response scott. i'll forward you email to my business partner who does all the purchasing. as for the keys just make all the SMs $5 more and make them all unlimited. I'd think that'd be a revenue neutral decision for y'all but i'm not your bean counter. the kets just plain suck! thanks, sean On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Scott Imhoff via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Sean, Thanks for the constructive feedback. We are working on a couple of ideas that align to your comments that you will hear more about in 2015. Fundamentally I agree that keys should be portable but not an easy nut to crack; however, we are working with that in mind. My email address is scott.imh...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:scott.imh...@cambiumnetworks.com and if you don’t mind I would like to hear more specifics on your experience with variable pricing on the SMs ranging $20-$40 with each transaction – that statement surprised me a bit. Scott *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett via Af *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 12:42 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Outlet - Who doesn't like a bargain? dear cambium, please just offer us one low price year round and stop with the speed keys for SMs. I live in NW CO where we can install APs and backhauls from May to Oct. The rest of the year it's too snowy, icy and cold out to even try to get to our towers, all of which are above 7,000 feet MSL and several are above 10,000 MSL. a special price on APs or backhauls from Oct to May does me no good and I will simply ignore your advertising attempts. We install SMs year round. every time we go to purchase SMs (and we buy a lot) the price changes $20-40 per SM. Please make this stop...I'd like to know my costs are stable and not blowing in the wind so that i can get busy installing more clients and therefore buying more SMs from you. Also with regards to the license keys for the SMs, this is a huge extra cost burden and the key is stuck to the device for eternity so i there for have to constantly track which SM has which key and what plan the client is subscribed to. When they cancel i have to set aside as special inventory all the keyed SMs. So now we have to stock 900, 2.4 and 5.7 FSK, 5.4 430, and 5Ghz 450 20Mbps and unlimited...That's 6 different SMs to track and stock and a lot of times the unlimited 450s that come back into inventory get mixed up and redeployed to a client that only needs a 20Mbps key :-/ also we have to stock and track the keys in the licensing portal so that we don't run out. YOU ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING LIGHTBULBS (SMs)...SELL ME MORE SMs AND YOU WILL MAKE MORE MONEY. 2 cents -Sean On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Scott Imhoff via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: All, You may or may not have noticed but Cambium is trying a new concept on our web site called “Cambium Outlet” to make available at substantial discount material that we have in excess. The page can be viewed at: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/cambium-outlet The list will be updated on a periodic basis, approximately every two to three months, based on changes in part number inventory. We welcome any suggestions to improve the page and process. Happy hunting! Scott
[AFMUG] Packetflux Syncinjector - safe to run without SiteMonitor
I have a site where I'm providing DC up the tower and want to minimize products up there. Has anyone actually needed to use the SiteMonitor to...monitor...the sync status and find that information useful? I'm expecting it just simply stays synced and that's the end of it. On a side note I ordered two of them and didn't get this supposed din rail mounting kit. Is that expected? http://store.packetflux.com/gigabit-syncinjector-for-24-volt-cambium-radios/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh
CNUT is packed with its own JRE. I don't see why it wouldn't work with the Mac's own Java, maybe symlink trickery or something. On 11/21/2014 2:29 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: yes that's what i'm doing but i'd like for more of our office staff to be able to access CNUT and installing parallels and keeping windows working properly is an arduous task. much easier to just run a native Mac app (well Java actually) than to fire up winblows etc etc. there's a linux version so i don't see why it'd be difficult to make a mac version. On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Eric Muehleisen via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: +1. I run CNUT in parallels with coherent mode. Looks just like a MAC window. I do the same with Winbox. The MAC ports for Winbox are awful. Very slow and buggy. On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Or fire up Parallels … *Von:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Joe via Af *Gesendet:* Freitag, 21. November 2014 20:26 *An:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh It would be cheaper if they bought you a netbook with windows and overnight shipped it to you. $200 vs $20,000 And throw in a couple free $20 dollar license keys too! ((ducking)) *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett via Af *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 1:09 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh Dear Cambium, Since CNUT is a Java program and you support the Macintosh with a lot of your other software (i.e. link planner) can you make a version of CNUT that runs on the Mac??? I know a few years ago someone hacked a version together and it worked so it should be possible since it's Java. Thanks, sean
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Syncinjector - safe to run without SiteMonitor
Um, yeah, put a base unit in. The DIN rail adapter for the SyncInjector is a separate item. On 11/21/2014 3:00 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: I have a site where I'm providing DC up the tower and want to minimize products up there. Has anyone actually needed to use the SiteMonitor to...monitor...the sync status and find that information useful? I'm expecting it just simply stays synced and that's the end of it. On a side note I ordered two of them and didn't get this supposed din rail mounting kit. Is that expected? http://store.packetflux.com/gigabit-syncinjector-for-24-volt-cambium-radios/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
[AFMUG] gmail filter quit
Anyone else had their gmail quit filtering list traffic? No af list stuff in my folder this morning. It was at gmail but my mail client didn’t download it. All day long the filters have not been working. I put in a new filter, got one message but it went away as soon as I started to read it.
Re: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit
Arrgh, this one went to my inbox, not the filtered folder. I wonder if I ought to key on the [AFMUG] in the subject line. From: chuck--- via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit Anyone else had their gmail quit filtering list traffic? No af list stuff in my folder this morning. It was at gmail but my mail client didn’t download it. All day long the filters have not been working. I put in a new filter, got one message but it went away as soon as I started to read it.
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Syncinjector - safe to run without SiteMonitor
I've never had to power cycle my radios, but if it really came down to it I could reboot the whole site at the ground. I see the advantages but I'm trying to avoid putting any unnecessary gear in the box that's going to be up on the tower. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Josh Baird via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How else will you monitor your DC voltages and be able to power cycle your radios if you don't have a Base unit? You can also monitor temperatures in your enclosure with one. On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a site where I'm providing DC up the tower and want to minimize products up there. Has anyone actually needed to use the SiteMonitor to...monitor...the sync status and find that information useful? I'm expecting it just simply stays synced and that's the end of it. On a side note I ordered two of them and didn't get this supposed din rail mounting kit. Is that expected? http://store.packetflux.com/gigabit-syncinjector-for-24-volt-cambium-radios/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit
Use... Has the words: list:af.afmug.com Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:13 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Arrgh, this one went to my inbox, not the filtered folder. I wonder if I ought to key on the [AFMUG] in the subject line. *From:* chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 2:12 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] gmail filter quit Anyone else had their gmail quit filtering list traffic? No af list stuff in my folder this morning. It was at gmail but my mail client didn’t download it. All day long the filters have not been working. I put in a new filter, got one message but it went away as soon as I started to read it.
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Syncinjector - safe to run without SiteMonitor
We run several sites without a site monitor and just monitor the sync input status on the aps... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: George Skorup \(Cyber Broadcasting\) via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Packetflux Syncinjector - safe to run without SiteMonitor Date: Fri, Nov 21, 2014 3:07 PM Um, yeah, put a base unit in. The DIN rail adapter for the SyncInjector is a separate item. On 11/21/2014 3:00 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: I have a site where I'm providing DC up the tower and want to minimize products up there. Has anyone actually needed to use the SiteMonitor to...monitor...the sync status and find that information useful? I'm expecting it just simply stays synced and that's the end of it. On a side note I ordered two of them and didn't get this supposed din rail mounting kit. Is that expected? http://store.packetflux.com/gigabit-syncinjector-for-24-volt-cambium-radios/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit
I did that one too. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit Use... Has the words: list:af.afmug.com Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:13 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Arrgh, this one went to my inbox, not the filtered folder. I wonder if I ought to key on the [AFMUG] in the subject line. From: chuck--- via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit Anyone else had their gmail quit filtering list traffic? No af list stuff in my folder this morning. It was at gmail but my mail client didn’t download it. All day long the filters have not been working. I put in a new filter, got one message but it went away as soon as I started to read it.
Re: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit
#$* List traffic is now in my AF folder and my inbox From: chuck--- via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit Filter stated working again, but all old files are gone. Oh well... nothing said here is archive quality is it?? From: chuck--- via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit I did that one too. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit Use... Has the words: list:af.afmug.com Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:13 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Arrgh, this one went to my inbox, not the filtered folder. I wonder if I ought to key on the [AFMUG] in the subject line. From: chuck--- via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit Anyone else had their gmail quit filtering list traffic? No af list stuff in my folder this morning. It was at gmail but my mail client didn’t download it. All day long the filters have not been working. I put in a new filter, got one message but it went away as soon as I started to read it.
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Syncinjector - safe to run without SiteMonitor
This is ePMP, can you see that kind of information on there? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:20 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller af@afmug.com wrote: We run several sites without a site monitor and just monitor the sync input status on the aps... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: George Skorup \(Cyber Broadcasting\) via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Packetflux Syncinjector - safe to run without SiteMonitor Date: Fri, Nov 21, 2014 3:07 PM Um, yeah, put a base unit in. The DIN rail adapter for the SyncInjector is a separate item. On 11/21/2014 3:00 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: I have a site where I'm providing DC up the tower and want to minimize products up there. Has anyone actually needed to use the SiteMonitor to...monitor...the sync status and find that information useful? I'm expecting it just simply stays synced and that's the end of it. On a side note I ordered two of them and didn't get this supposed din rail mounting kit. Is that expected? http://store.packetflux.com/gigabit-syncinjector-for-24-volt-cambium-radios/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit
Modify the actions of the filter. Skip it from Inbox. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:32 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: #$* List traffic is now in my AF folder and my inbox *From:* chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 2:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit Filter stated working again, but all old files are gone. Oh well... nothing said here is archive quality is it?? *From:* chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 2:31 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit I did that one too. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 2:18 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit Use... Has the words: list:af.afmug.com Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:13 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Arrgh, this one went to my inbox, not the filtered folder. I wonder if I ought to key on the [AFMUG] in the subject line. *From:* chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 2:12 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] gmail filter quit Anyone else had their gmail quit filtering list traffic? No af list stuff in my folder this morning. It was at gmail but my mail client didn’t download it. All day long the filters have not been working. I put in a new filter, got one message but it went away as soon as I started to read it.
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Syncinjector - safe to run without SiteMonitor
Most of the time the just work. So, sure you could probably get by w/o
a SiteMonitor base unit. However, we have at least one site that loses
sync occasionally (very occasionally thankfully). It will drop sync for
about 2 seconds once a month or so. We're pretty sure it's just
sensitive to the occasional lack of a full constellation of satellites;
it only has a 180° view of the sky. We'll probably just move the
SyncPipe to a better spot, but it would be a pain to troubleshoot w/o a
base.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 11/21/2014 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
I have a site where I'm providing DC up the tower and want to minimize
products up there. Has anyone actually needed to use the SiteMonitor
to...monitor...the sync status and find that information useful? I'm
expecting it just simply stays synced and that's the end of it.
On a side note I ordered two of them and didn't get this supposed din
rail mounting kit. Is that expected?
http://store.packetflux.com/gigabit-syncinjector-for-24-volt-cambium-radios/
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit
Thanks, hopefully that will restore things to normal. Wonder why the label went away and all the old emails went away... I think I will blame it on Outlook Express. Even when it is running properly it seem on the verge of running off the rails. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit Modify the actions of the filter. Skip it from Inbox. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:32 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: #$* List traffic is now in my AF folder and my inbox From: chuck--- via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit Filter stated working again, but all old files are gone. Oh well... nothing said here is archive quality is it?? From: chuck--- via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit I did that one too. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit Use... Has the words: list:af.afmug.com Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:13 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Arrgh, this one went to my inbox, not the filtered folder. I wonder if I ought to key on the [AFMUG] in the subject line. From: chuck--- via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit Anyone else had their gmail quit filtering list traffic? No af list stuff in my folder this morning. It was at gmail but my mail client didn’t download it. All day long the filters have not been working. I put in a new filter, got one message but it went away as soon as I started to read it.
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Syncinjector - safe to run without SiteMonitor
You guys drive a hard bargain =/
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Most of the time the just work. So, sure you could probably get by w/o a
SiteMonitor base unit. However, we have at least one site that loses sync
occasionally (very occasionally thankfully). It will drop sync for about 2
seconds once a month or so. We're pretty sure it's just sensitive to the
occasional lack of a full constellation of satellites; it only has a 180°
view of the sky. We'll probably just move the SyncPipe to a better spot,
but it would be a pain to troubleshoot w/o a base.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 11/21/2014 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
I have a site where I'm providing DC up the tower and want to minimize
products up there. Has anyone actually needed to use the SiteMonitor
to...monitor...the sync status and find that information useful? I'm
expecting it just simply stays synced and that's the end of it.
On a side note I ordered two of them and didn't get this supposed din
rail mounting kit. Is that expected?
http://store.packetflux.com/gigabit-syncinjector-for-24-
volt-cambium-radios/
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
[AFMUG] SiteMonitor discovery IP or factory reset
Has anyone successfully used the Windows tool to do this? It's never worked for me. I have two units. First has a labeled address, didn't ping and neither tool worked. Second was brand new and I could ping it, but the tool still didn't work. I'm using Windows 8 and have disabled the wlan interface as well as a second lan interface. All that remains is one wired interface going directly to the SiteMonitor. It is at 10 hdx and does so every reboot. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Syncinjector - safe to run without SiteMonitor
I talked the boss into trying the syncinjectors primarily so I had an excuse to have a sitemonitor at each site. Who would want a network controlled relay capability, if youre putting it up top, you get a temp sensor of sorts out of the deal. I did not, however realize you can run these things without a site monitor, thats a good tidbit of info to keep in ones back pocket On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:39 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller af@afmug.com wrote: Understand Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Packetflux Syncinjector - safe to run without SiteMonitor Date: Fri, Nov 21, 2014 3:17 PM I've never had to power cycle my radios, but if it really came down to it I could reboot the whole site at the ground. I see the advantages but I'm trying to avoid putting any unnecessary gear in the box that's going to be up on the tower. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Josh Baird via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How else will you monitor your DC voltages and be able to power cycle your radios if you don't have a Base unit? You can also monitor temperatures in your enclosure with one. On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a site where I'm providing DC up the tower and want to minimize products up there. Has anyone actually needed to use the SiteMonitor to...monitorthe sync status and find that information useful? I'm expecting it just simply stays synced and that's the end of it. On a side note I ordered two of them and didn't get this supposed din rail mounting kit. Is that expected? http://store.packetflux.com/gigabit-syncinjector-for-24-volt-cambium-radios/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] Cambium Survey
Is it just me or does the Cambium Survey that says it's for operators seem to be more for end users? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
[AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium
Has anyone successfully implemented? Jerry
Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor discovery IP or factory reset
I used it, and it worked if I had all other network interfaces
disabled/disconnected. IIRC, it also was somewhat sensitive to timing;
you had to scan at the right time or something like that (after
SiteMonitor started up). Don't recall exactly, but I think I had to put
a switch in between.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 11/21/2014 1:53 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
Has anyone successfully used the Windows tool to do this? It's never
worked for me.
I have two units. First has a labeled address, didn't ping and
neither tool worked. Second was brand new and I could ping it, but
the tool still didn't work.
I'm using Windows 8 and have disabled the wlan interface as well as a
second lan interface. All that remains is one wired interface going
directly to the SiteMonitor. It is at 10 hdx and does so every reboot.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium
Ya the alchemist that turned steel into gold. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 21, 2014 5:32 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone successfully implemented? Jerry
Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium
There was one person a while back that said he got it working. Other than that, I have not heard of anyone else having any success but I haven't tested it with the new Titaniums yet. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 3:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium Has anyone successfully implemented? Jerry
Re: [AFMUG] gmail filter quit
I ditched that dog several years back. It always seemed like it had a
tenuous connection to my version of reality. Have been using
Thunderbird for quite some time, and it is overall much more reliable.
Thunderbird does occasionally crash, but it doesn't lose stuff.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 11/21/2014 1:35 PM, chuck--- via Af wrote:
Even when it is running properly it seem on the verge of running off
the rails.
Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium
It may work, but it will tank your throughput. On 11/21/2014 01:32 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af wrote: Has anyone successfully implemented? Jerry -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Survey
It certainly seemed that way to me... From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 4:24 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Survey Is it just me or does the Cambium Survey that says it's for operators seem to be more for end users? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium
you can swap it all out with epmp On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It may work, but it will tank your throughput. On 11/21/2014 01:32 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af wrote: Has anyone successfully implemented? � Jerry -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium
Or you can swap it out with -AC and get 65Mbps on a 10MHz channel, realtime airview, and much better selectivity :P On 11/21/2014 03:10 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: you can swap it all out with epmp On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: It may work, but it will tank your throughput. On 11/21/2014 01:32 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af wrote: Has anyone successfully implemented? � Jerry -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium
And still no sync, right? On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Or you can swap it out with -AC and get 65Mbps on a 10MHz channel, realtime airview, and much better selectivity :P On 11/21/2014 03:10 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: you can swap it all out with epmp On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It may work, but it will tank your throughput. On 11/21/2014 01:32 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af wrote: Has anyone successfully implemented? � Jerry -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium
Lol! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 21, 2014 8:37 PM, Colin Stanners via Af af@afmug.com wrote: And still no sync, right? On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Or you can swap it out with -AC and get 65Mbps on a 10MHz channel, realtime airview, and much better selectivity :P On 11/21/2014 03:10 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: you can swap it all out with epmp On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It may work, but it will tank your throughput. On 11/21/2014 01:32 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af wrote: Has anyone successfully implemented? � Jerry -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium
Yes. If you do exactly as they say, it'll do exactly what they say it'll do. It's just not what people are used to or expected. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 4:32:37 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium Has anyone successfully implemented? Jerry
Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium
Those are very compelling, but not enough bits without bigger channels, which then need sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:19:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium Or you can swap it out with -AC and get 65Mbps on a 10MHz channel, realtime airview, and much better selectivity :P On 11/21/2014 03:10 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: you can swap it all out with epmp On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote It may work, but it will tank you r throughput. On 11/21/2014 01:32 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af wrote: blockquote Has anyone successfully implemented? � Jerry -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com /blockquote -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 /blockquote -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
