Re: [AFMUG] Vivint speeds
Hmmm, they must have figured out the regulatory issue preventing it from happening. Odd that that was a big deal for them nationwide but no here in their HQ state. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2015 6:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vivint speeds http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/vivint-solar-now-offering-residential-solar-leases-in-utah-300041650.html -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2015 6:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vivint speeds I think it has to do with their leasing scheme. -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2015 5:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vivint speeds How do you bar someone from doing solar? Chuck McCown wrote: For some reason I don’t understand, Vivint is barred from doing the solar thing in Utah. *From:* Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net *Sent:* Sunday, March 08, 2015 4:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vivint speeds The wireless internet is a play thing for Vivint. They are making so much money from the home security, solar and other projects that they are basically giving the internet part away at cost to try and get more customers. Pretty much the same thing as Google Fiber. They are at break-even on those little projects. :) Travis On 3/8/2015 12:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I hear it is pretty good with LOS and less than 1 mile from the AP. *From:* Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, March 07, 2015 10:20 PM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Vivint speeds My son has had Vivint security for several years and today he got a free month trial of Vivint Wireless . 89 Down and 38 up...I will go check the gear this week. 50 bucks a month for 24 months if he decides to keep it. I supply him 20 mbps free from pop 9 miles away. More to come Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] 18ghz question
If it’s one direction only, probably electronics. If both directions, probably
antenna or path. You say you’ve verified xmt power is actually at 14 dB? Many
radios vary xmt power with modulation and/or ATPC. Have they done a FW update
since the original install when it measured in mid 40’s?
If you graph the signal does it vary with weather or time of day?
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18ghz question
All outdoor. On water tank rails. On masts. I am not sure if they were
installed on catwalks before and now on top. I am going to ask about that.
Both antennas are about 168 ft AGL...you got me thinking. ..
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 8, 2015 10:33 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
18 is not that different from 11 or 23 for that matter. It should behave
similarly, except for the beamwidth with a given antenna size and the freespace
loss.
Are these split mount or all-outdoor? Is it the same at both ends? Is the
path clear? Any fresnel issues?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/8/2015 9:22 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Targeted RSL is -42 at 4.08 miles
Tx power at 14db. Should be 14.5dB three different companies have
aligned these dishes before I was asked to try and get the link closer to
targeted figure. On this one -53.1 is best I got. A bit better than others but
not where they want. I took both antennas completed off paths and started
over. Got it to above level. Made sure it was not sidelobe. These radios are
about 6 years old Dragonwave...the client says they were in mid 40s according
to records. What can cause such a difference if alignment is not an issue?
Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] 18ghz question
I was hired as tower monkey. But I am putting together a list of
questions. ...if I go back I need more answers u guys are giving me
good ideas and questions
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 9, 2015 7:47 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
If it’s one direction only, probably electronics. If both directions,
probably antenna or path. You say you’ve verified xmt power is actually at
14 dB? Many radios vary xmt power with modulation and/or ATPC. Have they
done a FW update since the original install when it measured in mid 40’s?
If you graph the signal does it vary with weather or time of day?
*From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Sunday, March 08, 2015 11:49 PM
*To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18ghz question
All outdoor. On water tank rails. On masts. I am not sure if they were
installed on catwalks before and now on top. I am going to ask about
that. Both antennas are about 168 ft AGL...you got me thinking. ..
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 8, 2015 10:33 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
18 is not that different from 11 or 23 for that matter. It should behave
similarly, except for the beamwidth with a given antenna size and the
freespace loss.
Are these split mount or all-outdoor? Is it the same at both ends? Is
the path clear? Any fresnel issues?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/8/2015 9:22 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Targeted RSL is -42 at 4.08 miles
Tx power at 14db. Should be 14.5dB three different companies have
aligned these dishes before I was asked to try and get the link closer to
targeted figure. On this one -53.1 is best I got. A bit better than others
but not where they want. I took both antennas completed off paths and
started over. Got it to above level. Made sure it was not sidelobe.
These radios are about 6 years old Dragonwave...the client says they were
in mid 40s according to records. What can cause such a difference if
alignment is not an issue?
Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
Doing the separate links would be the best option. You have a little more control over the quality of each link as opposed to one link possibly bringing down the whole AP. I am not really sure WDS is going to help you much. WDS mostly provides L2 access, if you CPE is a bridged CPE. I am not sure you will see much benefit from WDS. I thought, and I could be wrong, that WDSing all the clients on one AP halves the bandwidth of the clients. I could be wrong. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform well Yes WDS makes a difference but not that much. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted.
not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. *From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
I had to reread that second paragraph at least 3 times. You've awakened feelings in me I didn't know I had. On 03/09/2015 10:07 AM, That One Guy wrote: I suspected it was discovered, and v10 specifically broke the miner and the code that called these IPs from a list somehow put them in there. If I were a developer I would do things like that, which is why God intervened everytime I tried to learn to code. I would be in prison, I would be very pretty, the koolaid lipstick would make my lips cherry red, and my shirt would be tied in a knot while my milkshake brought all the boys to the yard. Good thing for me I never learned to code On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com wrote: I think your tinfoil hat is a little tight.. ;) If we were going to use your billing server as a bitcoin miner, why would we only change the IPs when a customer updated their equipment in the portal? And why would we even make it visible? If I really wanted to hide a bitcoin miner on your billing server, I wouldn't do it by sending your customers to the redirect page.. On 03/09/2015 09:57 AM, That One Guy wrote: me and my tinfoil hat find it suspiscious that v10 resolved the constant overloaded billing servers and this pops up, like there is a list somewhere and since the first one I saw was affiliated with bitcoins, Paranoid me assumed a developer sometime in the historical chain realized there were alot of unused cycles out there under their control. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Look up variable declaration types. I'm willing to bet someone did the math wrong. I've seen it a couple times before but I can't recall where. While the IPs look random, they're not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:47 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc *To:* Powercode *Cc:* Cyber Broadband Inc. *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM *Subject:* Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted.
I am one of those people. We run a fully bridged network with segmented VLANs to each AP. We also prune the VLANs over each backhaul link so the packets only go where they are supposed to. This segments the broadcast domain and resolves the majority of the issues that a bridged network can suffer from. A bridged network doesn't have to be a 'flat' network. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:23 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. *From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
He has three stations talking to one AP. They're not doing WDS repeater. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:29 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: WDS repeater mode cuts the throughput. In this case WDS is allowing the MAC address of the device behind it to pass through. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/Installation-Troubleshooting/What-do-WDS-Transparent-Bridge-Mode-on-both-end-AP-and-Station/td-p/618853 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 8:26 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance Definitely not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:23 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: WDS definitely does not halve the bandwidth of the clients. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com wrote: Doing the separate links would be the best option. You have a little more control over the quality of each link as opposed to one link possibly bringing down the whole AP. I am not really sure WDS is going to help you much. WDS mostly provides L2 access, if you CPE is a bridged CPE. I am not sure you will see much benefit from WDS. I thought, and I could be wrong, that WDSing all the clients on one AP halves the bandwidth of the clients. I could be wrong. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform well Yes WDS makes a difference but not that much. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
Yeah, I should have said flat network. I think many of us had a flat bridged network when we first started. From: Jeremy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. I am one of those people. We run a fully bridged network with segmented VLANs to each AP. We also prune the VLANs over each backhaul link so the packets only go where they are supposed to. This segments the broadcast domain and resolves the majority of the issues that a bridged network can suffer from. A bridged network doesn't have to be a 'flat' network. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:23 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
Thanks for the clarification. I was almost positive that some form of WDS causes a bandwidth hit. I wasn't sure. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 P: 1-888-364-4232 F: 1-502-722-9292 On Mar 9, 2015 11:29 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: WDS repeater mode cuts the throughput. In this case WDS is allowing the MAC address of the device behind it to pass through. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/Installation-Troubleshooting/What-do-WDS-Transparent-Bridge-Mode-on-both-end-AP-and-Station/td-p/618853 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 8:26 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance Definitely not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:23 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: WDS definitely does not halve the bandwidth of the clients. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com wrote: Doing the separate links would be the best option. You have a little more control over the quality of each link as opposed to one link possibly bringing down the whole AP. I am not really sure WDS is going to help you much. WDS mostly provides L2 access, if you CPE is a bridged CPE. I am not sure you will see much benefit from WDS. I thought, and I could be wrong, that WDSing all the clients on one AP halves the bandwidth of the clients. I could be wrong. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform well Yes WDS makes a difference but not that much. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridgednetworktorouted.
The best way to go is probably going to depend a lot on what hardware is
already in place. if it's just cheap unmanaged switches everywhere now, I'd
personally start by replacing them all with Mikrotik routers.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I think it takes less new hardware and less expensive hardware. If you
have a flat network, you are almost certainly using switches and many
switches will support VLANs. So nothing to buy there.
*From:* Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:42 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a
bridgednetworktorouted.
Right. Flat and bridged are two different things. If you are bridging
VLANs all over the place, that doesn't really qualify as flat.
I might argue that bridging VLANs might be a bit more complicated to
manage, but I don't really know; I've never tried it.
Routing works for me.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 8:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yeah, I should have said flat network. I think many of us had a flat
bridged network when we first started.
*From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
I am one of those people. We run a fully bridged network with segmented
VLANs to each AP. We also prune the VLANs over each backhaul link so the
packets only go where they are supposed to. This segments the broadcast
domain and resolves the majority of the issues that a bridged network can
suffer from. A bridged network doesn't have to be a 'flat' network.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:23 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged
network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be
a cost effective solution for you as well.
I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from
under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50
network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have
all your routers on your desk before you begin
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point.
A bridged WISP is asking for trouble.
How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable
of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or
replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to
each AP via managed switches would be my preference.
*From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted.
I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed.
This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want
to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that
is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on
how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a
week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app.
My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use
per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are
just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it
under control now before we get to large.
I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik
and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never
implemented.
Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help.
Thanks,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
[AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] 18ghz question
Didn't invent it. Just called it by the wrong name. It's called
Accu-Aim. The scope just plugs into the feedhorn hole in their optic
antennas, and this allows you to use it with other people's antennas.
http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=75
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/8/2015 11:47 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
did bill just invent a new product?
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Jaime Solorza
losguyswirel...@gmail.com mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes and no. Need to get one
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 8, 2015 11:34 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
At 4 miles, the other end should be visible. Right?
Ever use the WB opti-align?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/8/2015 9:49 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
All outdoor. On water tank rails. On masts. I am not sure
if they were installed on catwalks before and now on top. I
am going to ask about that. Both antennas are about 168 ft
AGL...you got me thinking. ..
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 8, 2015 10:33 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
18 is not that different from 11 or 23 for that matter.
It should behave similarly, except for the beamwidth with
a given antenna size and the freespace loss.
Are these split mount or all-outdoor? Is it the same at
both ends? Is the path clear? Any fresnel issues?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/8/2015 9:22 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Targeted RSL is -42 at 4.08 miles
Tx power at 14db. Should be 14.5dB three
different companies have aligned these dishes before
I was asked to try and get the link closer to
targeted figure. On this one -53.1 is best I got. A
bit better than others but not where they want. I
took both antennas completed off paths and started
over. Got it to above level. Made sure it was not
sidelobe. These radios are about 6 years old
Dragonwave...the client says they were in mid 40s
according to records. What can cause such a
difference if alignment is not an issue?
Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
Non wds links run ARPNAT which is a performance hit as well as a possible source for layer two problems. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:12 AM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com wrote: Doing the separate links would be the best option. You have a little more control over the quality of each link as opposed to one link possibly bringing down the whole AP. I am not really sure WDS is going to help you much. WDS mostly provides L2 access, if you CPE is a bridged CPE. I am not sure you will see much benefit from WDS. I thought, and I could be wrong, that WDSing all the clients on one AP halves the bandwidth of the clients. I could be wrong. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform well Yes WDS makes a difference but not that much. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
Definitely not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:23 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: WDS definitely does not halve the bandwidth of the clients. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com wrote: Doing the separate links would be the best option. You have a little more control over the quality of each link as opposed to one link possibly bringing down the whole AP. I am not really sure WDS is going to help you much. WDS mostly provides L2 access, if you CPE is a bridged CPE. I am not sure you will see much benefit from WDS. I thought, and I could be wrong, that WDSing all the clients on one AP halves the bandwidth of the clients. I could be wrong. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform well Yes WDS makes a difference but not that much. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
I think we need photos... From: Simon Westlake Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space I had to reread that second paragraph at least 3 times. You've awakened feelings in me I didn't know I had. On 03/09/2015 10:07 AM, That One Guy wrote: I suspected it was discovered, and v10 specifically broke the miner and the code that called these IPs from a list somehow put them in there. If I were a developer I would do things like that, which is why God intervened everytime I tried to learn to code. I would be in prison, I would be very pretty, the koolaid lipstick would make my lips cherry red, and my shirt would be tied in a knot while my milkshake brought all the boys to the yard. Good thing for me I never learned to code On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: I think your tinfoil hat is a little tight.. ;) If we were going to use your billing server as a bitcoin miner, why would we only change the IPs when a customer updated their equipment in the portal? And why would we even make it visible? If I really wanted to hide a bitcoin miner on your billing server, I wouldn't do it by sending your customers to the redirect page.. On 03/09/2015 09:57 AM, That One Guy wrote: me and my tinfoil hat find it suspiscious that v10 resolved the constant overloaded billing servers and this pops up, like there is a list somewhere and since the first one I saw was affiliated with bitcoins, Paranoid me assumed a developer sometime in the historical chain realized there were alot of unused cycles out there under their control. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Look up variable declaration types. I'm willing to bet someone did the math wrong. I've seen it a couple times before but I can't recall where. While the IPs look random, they're not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:47 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc To: Powercode Cc: Cyber Broadband Inc. Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM Subject: Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using equipment search, which came back to customer 514, x, who had logged into the customer portal on January 29 to install a new router. Upon changing his MAC address, powercode assigned him 104.153.191.25, which is not even in any of our network address ranges. It belongs to: Source: whois.arin.net IP Address: 104.153.191.25 Name: IMDC-KC-LOOPBACKS
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router? From: That One Guy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
You've never had the feeling that you were about to vomit before? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space I had to reread that second paragraph at least 3 times. You've awakened feelings in me I didn't know I had. On 03/09/2015 10:07 AM, That One Guy wrote: I suspected it was discovered, and v10 specifically broke the miner and the code that called these IPs from a list somehow put them in there. If I were a developer I would do things like that, which is why God intervened everytime I tried to learn to code. I would be in prison, I would be very pretty, the koolaid lipstick would make my lips cherry red, and my shirt would be tied in a knot while my milkshake brought all the boys to the yard. Good thing for me I never learned to code On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.commailto:si...@powercode.com wrote: I think your tinfoil hat is a little tight.. ;) If we were going to use your billing server as a bitcoin miner, why would we only change the IPs when a customer updated their equipment in the portal? And why would we even make it visible? If I really wanted to hide a bitcoin miner on your billing server, I wouldn't do it by sending your customers to the redirect page.. On 03/09/2015 09:57 AM, That One Guy wrote: me and my tinfoil hat find it suspiscious that v10 resolved the constant overloaded billing servers and this pops up, like there is a list somewhere and since the first one I saw was affiliated with bitcoins, Paranoid me assumed a developer sometime in the historical chain realized there were alot of unused cycles out there under their control. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Look up variable declaration types. I'm willing to bet someone did the math wrong. I've seen it a couple times before but I can't recall where. While the IPs look random, they're not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:47 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.commailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.commailto:si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.netmailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc To: Powercode Cc: Cyber Broadband Inc. Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM Subject: Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using equipment search, which came back to customer 514, x, who had logged into the customer portal on January 29 to install a new router. Upon changing his MAC address, powercode assigned him 104.153.191.25, which is not even in any of our network address ranges. It belongs to: Source: whois.arin.nethttp://whois.arin.net IP Address: 104.153.191.25 Name: IMDC-KC-LOOPBACKS Handle: NET-104-153-191-0-1 Registration Date: 2/2/15 Range: 104.153.191.0-104.153.191.31 Org: Iron Mountain Data Center Org Handle: IMIML Address: One Federal Street City: Boston State/Province: MA Postal Code: 02111 Country: UNITED STATES This is very similar to our new public IP
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
Butch Evans is doing an online mikrotik training here shortly if you want to go the mikrotik route and arent familiar with their products yet On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router? *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. *From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
Look up variable declaration types. I'm willing to bet someone did the math wrong. I've seen it a couple times before but I can't recall where. While the IPs look random, they're not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:47 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc *To:* Powercode *Cc:* Cyber Broadband Inc. *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM *Subject:* Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using equipment search, which came back to customer 514, x, who had logged into the customer portal on January 29 to install a new router. Upon changing his MAC address, powercode assigned him 104.153.191.25, which is not even in any of our network address ranges. It belongs to: Source: whois.arin.net IP Address: 104.153.191.25 Name: IMDC-KC-LOOPBACKS Handle: NET-104-153-191-0-1 Registration Date: 2/2/15 Range: 104.153.191.0-104.153.191.31 Org: Iron Mountain Data Center Org Handle: IMIML Address: One Federal Street City: Boston State/Province: MA Postal Code: 02111 Country: UNITED STATES This is very similar to our new public IP range which is 104.152.40.0/22 Incidently, it appears this customer was assigned 104.152.40.91 before he attempted to edit his equipment and was changed to 104.153.191.25. Also of note, it appears this only affected the GUI/web interface of powercode, and the router/bmu continued to assign him 104.152.40.91. I will now have to reassign x a new IP address since the web/gui gave his IP address to someone else. I hope this information helps you to figure out what is happening. I am still concerned we have some kind of database issue. Weird things like this seem to be happening a lot. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Powercode To: Cyber Broadband Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:15 PM Subject: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] Please reply above this line Good afternoon Jay, We were able to test from this customer's account, and the same issue that was originally reported to us persisted. We logged into the customer portal, changed the MAC address by one digit, and immediately the customer was issued an IP address of 192.170.241.173. After changing the MAC address back to his current valid one, we then had to manually clear out his IP address in Powercode in order for the BMU to hand out a reservation for 192.168.3.36 via DHCP. At this point, we are going to contact our network engineers for assistance in troubleshooting why this customer would receive a 192.170.xx.xx reservation, as this IP does not fit within any ranges defined in Powercode. We will update you as soon as we've had a chance to go over this with them. -- Have you visited our knowledge base? The Powercode knowledge base contains data on all aspects of Powercode, including the BMU. You may also find useful information on our community forum. We endeavor to respond to all tickets within two business days. Our
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
Didn't you say one had like 10 miles on it? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: And if anyone tells you about the three brand new Ferraris I just bought, they're lying. They were not brand new. On 03/09/2015 10:01 AM, Simon Westlake wrote: I think your tinfoil hat is a little tight.. ;) If we were going to use your billing server as a bitcoin miner, why would we only change the IPs when a customer updated their equipment in the portal? And why would we even make it visible? If I really wanted to hide a bitcoin miner on your billing server, I wouldn't do it by sending your customers to the redirect page.. On 03/09/2015 09:57 AM, That One Guy wrote: me and my tinfoil hat find it suspiscious that v10 resolved the constant overloaded billing servers and this pops up, like there is a list somewhere and since the first one I saw was affiliated with bitcoins, Paranoid me assumed a developer sometime in the historical chain realized there were alot of unused cycles out there under their control. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Look up variable declaration types. I'm willing to bet someone did the math wrong. I've seen it a couple times before but I can't recall where. While the IPs look random, they're not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:47 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc *To:* Powercode *Cc:* Cyber Broadband Inc. *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM *Subject:* Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using equipment search, which came back to customer 514, x, who had logged into the customer portal on January 29 to install a new router. Upon changing his MAC address, powercode assigned him 104.153.191.25, which is not even in any of our network address ranges. It belongs to: Source: whois.arin.net IP Address: 104.153.191.25 Name: IMDC-KC-LOOPBACKS Handle: NET-104-153-191-0-1 Registration Date: 2/2/15 Range: 104.153.191.0-104.153.191.31 Org: Iron Mountain Data Center Org Handle: IMIML Address: One Federal Street City: Boston State/Province: MA Postal Code: 02111 Country: UNITED STATES This is very similar to our new public IP range which is 104.152.40.0/22 Incidently, it appears this customer was assigned 104.152.40.91 before he attempted to edit his equipment and was changed to 104.153.191.25. Also of note, it appears this only affected the GUI/web interface of powercode, and the router/bmu continued to assign him 104.152.40.91. I will now have to reassign x a new IP address since the web/gui gave his IP address to someone else. I hope this information helps you to figure out what is happening. I am still concerned we have some kind of database issue. Weird things like this seem to be happening a lot. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Powercode To: Cyber Broadband Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:15 PM Subject: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841]
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
Better than the cross stitch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:43 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I can see the T shirt now. Photo: Tied off shirt, daisy dukes, heels, hair, makeup. Caption: “I should have never learned to code.” *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space AFMUG 2016 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:36 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I think we need photos... *From:* Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:30 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space I had to reread that second paragraph at least 3 times. You've awakened feelings in me I didn't know I had. On 03/09/2015 10:07 AM, That One Guy wrote: I suspected it was discovered, and v10 specifically broke the miner and the code that called these IPs from a list somehow put them in there. If I were a developer I would do things like that, which is why God intervened everytime I tried to learn to code. I would be in prison, I would be very pretty, the koolaid lipstick would make my lips cherry red, and my shirt would be tied in a knot while my milkshake brought all the boys to the yard. Good thing for me I never learned to code On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: I think your tinfoil hat is a little tight.. ;) If we were going to use your billing server as a bitcoin miner, why would we only change the IPs when a customer updated their equipment in the portal? And why would we even make it visible? If I really wanted to hide a bitcoin miner on your billing server, I wouldn't do it by sending your customers to the redirect page.. On 03/09/2015 09:57 AM, That One Guy wrote: me and my tinfoil hat find it suspiscious that v10 resolved the constant overloaded billing servers and this pops up, like there is a list somewhere and since the first one I saw was affiliated with bitcoins, Paranoid me assumed a developer sometime in the historical chain realized there were alot of unused cycles out there under their control. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Look up variable declaration types. I'm willing to bet someone did the math wrong. I've seen it a couple times before but I can't recall where. While the IPs look random, they're not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:47 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc *To:* Powercode *Cc:* Cyber Broadband Inc. *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM *Subject:* Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using equipment search, which came back to customer 514, x, who had logged into the customer portal on January 29 to install a new router. Upon
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridgednetworktorouted.
I think it takes less new hardware and less expensive hardware. If you have a
flat network, you are almost certainly using switches and many switches will
support VLANs. So nothing to buy there.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridgednetworktorouted.
Right. Flat and bridged are two different things. If you are bridging VLANs
all over the place, that doesn't really qualify as flat.
I might argue that bridging VLANs might be a bit more complicated to manage,
but I don't really know; I've never tried it.
Routing works for me.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 8:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yeah, I should have said flat network. I think many of us had a flat bridged
network when we first started.
From: Jeremy
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
I am one of those people. We run a fully bridged network with segmented
VLANs to each AP. We also prune the VLANs over each backhaul link so the
packets only go where they are supposed to. This segments the broadcast domain
and resolves the majority of the issues that a bridged network can suffer from.
A bridged network doesn't have to be a 'flat' network.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:23 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network
and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost
effective solution for you as well.
I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from
under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network
sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your
routers on your desk before you begin
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point.
A bridged WISP is asking for trouble.
How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable
of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing
the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via
managed switches would be my preference.
From: Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted.
I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This
is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end
the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing
to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process
works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the
phone and through a remote desktop app.
My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use
per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to
blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under
control now before we get to large.
I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik
and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never
implemented.
Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help.
Thanks,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
I think your tinfoil hat is a little tight.. ;) If we were going to use your billing server as a bitcoin miner, why would we only change the IPs when a customer updated their equipment in the portal? And why would we even make it visible? If I really wanted to hide a bitcoin miner on your billing server, I wouldn't do it by sending your customers to the redirect page.. On 03/09/2015 09:57 AM, That One Guy wrote: me and my tinfoil hat find it suspiscious that v10 resolved the constant overloaded billing servers and this pops up, like there is a list somewhere and since the first one I saw was affiliated with bitcoins, Paranoid me assumed a developer sometime in the historical chain realized there were alot of unused cycles out there under their control. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Look up variable declaration types. I'm willing to bet someone did the math wrong. I've seen it a couple times before but I can't recall where. While the IPs look random, they're not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:47 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc *To:* Powercode *Cc:* Cyber Broadband Inc. *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM *Subject:* Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using equipment search, which came back to customer 514, x, who had logged into the customer portal on January 29 to install a new router. Upon changing his MAC address, powercode assigned him 104.153.191.25, which is not even in any of our network address ranges. It belongs to: Source: whois.arin.net http://whois.arin.net IP Address: 104.153.191.25 Name: IMDC-KC-LOOPBACKS Handle: NET-104-153-191-0-1 Registration Date: 2/2/15 Range: 104.153.191.0-104.153.191.31 Org: Iron Mountain Data Center Org Handle: IMIML Address: One Federal Street City: Boston State/Province: MA Postal Code: 02111 Country: UNITED STATES This is very
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
Right. Flat and bridged are two different things. If you are bridging
VLANs all over the place, that doesn't really qualify as flat.
I might argue that bridging VLANs might be a bit more complicated to
manage, but I don't really know; I've never tried it.
Routing works for me.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 8:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yeah, I should have said flat network. I think many of us had a flat
bridged network when we first started.
*From:* Jeremy mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
I am one of those people. We run a fully bridged network with
segmented VLANs to each AP. We also prune the VLANs over each
backhaul link so the packets only go where they are supposed to. This
segments the broadcast domain and resolves the majority of the issues
that a bridged network can suffer from. A bridged network doesn't
have to be a 'flat' network.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:23 AM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged
network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about,
it may be a cost effective solution for you as well.
I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out
from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell
you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you
do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point.
A bridged WISP is asking for trouble.
How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites
capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start.
Either that or replacing the switches with routers.
Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed
switches would be my preference.
*From:* Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted.
I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to
routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in
but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I
can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do
the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the
process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour
a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app.
My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see
bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking
both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to
really grow again I need to get it under control now before we
get to large.
I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased
microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to
get it to work never implemented.
Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net
mailto:bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help.
Thanks,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router? *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. *From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
WDS probably won't change a whole lot but it would be better. If they'll pay for it, do it. The extra links would be vastly superior. Remember these are hdx devices, talking between stations is going to be weak as it stands. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:21 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
And if anyone tells you about the three brand new Ferraris I just bought, they're lying. They were not brand new. On 03/09/2015 10:01 AM, Simon Westlake wrote: I think your tinfoil hat is a little tight.. ;) If we were going to use your billing server as a bitcoin miner, why would we only change the IPs when a customer updated their equipment in the portal? And why would we even make it visible? If I really wanted to hide a bitcoin miner on your billing server, I wouldn't do it by sending your customers to the redirect page.. On 03/09/2015 09:57 AM, That One Guy wrote: me and my tinfoil hat find it suspiscious that v10 resolved the constant overloaded billing servers and this pops up, like there is a list somewhere and since the first one I saw was affiliated with bitcoins, Paranoid me assumed a developer sometime in the historical chain realized there were alot of unused cycles out there under their control. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Look up variable declaration types. I'm willing to bet someone did the math wrong. I've seen it a couple times before but I can't recall where. While the IPs look random, they're not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:47 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc *To:* Powercode *Cc:* Cyber Broadband Inc. *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM *Subject:* Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using equipment search, which came back to customer 514, x, who had logged into the customer portal on January 29 to install a new router. Upon changing his MAC address, powercode assigned him 104.153.191.25, which is not even in any of our network address ranges. It belongs to: Source: whois.arin.net http://whois.arin.net IP Address: 104.153.191.25 Name: IMDC-KC-LOOPBACKS Handle: NET-104-153-191-0-1 Registration Date: 2/2/15 Range: 104.153.191.0-104.153.191.31 Org: Iron Mountain Data Center Org Handle: IMIML Address: One Federal Street
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted.
Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
WDS definitely does not halve the bandwidth of the clients. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com wrote: Doing the separate links would be the best option. You have a little more control over the quality of each link as opposed to one link possibly bringing down the whole AP. I am not really sure WDS is going to help you much. WDS mostly provides L2 access, if you CPE is a bridged CPE. I am not sure you will see much benefit from WDS. I thought, and I could be wrong, that WDSing all the clients on one AP halves the bandwidth of the clients. I could be wrong. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform well Yes WDS makes a difference but not that much. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
WDS repeater mode cuts the throughput. In this case WDS is allowing the MAC address of the device behind it to pass through. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/Installation-Troubleshooting/What-do-WDS-Transparent-Bridge-Mode-on-both-end-AP-and-Station/td-p/618853 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 8:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance Definitely not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:23 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: WDS definitely does not halve the bandwidth of the clients. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com mailto:vi...@shelbybb.com wrote: Doing the separate links would be the best option. You have a little more control over the quality of each link as opposed to one link possibly bringing down the whole AP. I am not really sure WDS is going to help you much. WDS mostly provides L2 access, if you CPE is a bridged CPE. I am not sure you will see much benefit from WDS. I thought, and I could be wrong, that WDSing all the clients on one AP halves the bandwidth of the clients. I could be wrong. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 tel:1-888-364-4232 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz wrote: What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform well Yes WDS makes a difference but not that much. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
Nothing against a bridged network as long as every AP is on a VLAN to a router or is fed from a router port directly. I would never bridge a bunch of APs together ever again. That is a move that we all came to regret in the early days. (back before NAT and SM isolation and other nice things were added to Canopy) From: That One Guy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
AFMUG 2016 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:36 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I think we need photos... *From:* Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:30 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space I had to reread that second paragraph at least 3 times. You've awakened feelings in me I didn't know I had. On 03/09/2015 10:07 AM, That One Guy wrote: I suspected it was discovered, and v10 specifically broke the miner and the code that called these IPs from a list somehow put them in there. If I were a developer I would do things like that, which is why God intervened everytime I tried to learn to code. I would be in prison, I would be very pretty, the koolaid lipstick would make my lips cherry red, and my shirt would be tied in a knot while my milkshake brought all the boys to the yard. Good thing for me I never learned to code On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: I think your tinfoil hat is a little tight.. ;) If we were going to use your billing server as a bitcoin miner, why would we only change the IPs when a customer updated their equipment in the portal? And why would we even make it visible? If I really wanted to hide a bitcoin miner on your billing server, I wouldn't do it by sending your customers to the redirect page.. On 03/09/2015 09:57 AM, That One Guy wrote: me and my tinfoil hat find it suspiscious that v10 resolved the constant overloaded billing servers and this pops up, like there is a list somewhere and since the first one I saw was affiliated with bitcoins, Paranoid me assumed a developer sometime in the historical chain realized there were alot of unused cycles out there under their control. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Look up variable declaration types. I'm willing to bet someone did the math wrong. I've seen it a couple times before but I can't recall where. While the IPs look random, they're not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:47 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc *To:* Powercode *Cc:* Cyber Broadband Inc. *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM *Subject:* Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using equipment search, which came back to customer 514, x, who had logged into the customer portal on January 29 to install a new router. Upon changing his MAC address, powercode assigned him 104.153.191.25, which is not even in any of our network address ranges. It belongs to: Source: whois.arin.net IP Address: 104.153.191.25 Name: IMDC-KC-LOOPBACKS Handle: NET-104-153-191-0-1 Registration Date: 2/2/15 Range: 104.153.191.0-104.153.191.31 Org: Iron Mountain Data Center Org Handle: IMIML Address: One Federal Street City: Boston State/Province: MA Postal Code: 02111 Country: UNITED STATES This is very similar to our new public
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
What problems are you trying to solve? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:45 AM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Fair enough. Its not being done right though. It is defiantly the lack of data on customers and APs that is driving this for me. Brandon Yuchasz Gogebicrange.net *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Nothing wrong with bridging if its done right Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Date: *Monday, March 9, 2015 at 11:29 AM *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Nothing against a bridged network as long as every AP is on a VLAN to a router or is fed from a router port directly. I would never bridge a bunch of APs together ever again. That is a move that we all came to regret in the early days. (back before NAT and SM isolation and other nice things were added to Canopy) *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. *From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc *To:* Powercode *Cc:* Cyber Broadband Inc. *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM *Subject:* Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using equipment search, which came back to customer 514, x, who had logged into the customer portal on January 29 to install a new router. Upon changing his MAC address, powercode assigned him 104.153.191.25, which is not even in any of our network address ranges. It belongs to: Source: whois.arin.net http://whois.arin.net IP Address: 104.153.191.25 Name: IMDC-KC-LOOPBACKS Handle: NET-104-153-191-0-1 Registration Date: 2/2/15 Range: 104.153.191.0-104.153.191.31 Org: Iron Mountain Data Center Org Handle: IMIML Address: One Federal Street City: Boston State/Province: MA Postal Code: 02111 Country: UNITED STATES This is very similar to our new public IP range which is 104.152.40.0/22 http://104.152.40.0/22 Incidently, it appears this customer was assigned 104.152.40.91 before he attempted to edit his equipment and was changed to 104.153.191.25. Also of note, it appears this only affected the GUI/web interface of powercode, and the router/bmu continued to assign him 104.152.40.91. I will now have to reassign x a new IP address since the web/gui gave his IP address to someone else. I hope this information helps you to figure out what is happening. I am still concerned we have some kind of database issue. Weird things like this seem to be happening a lot. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Powercode To: Cyber Broadband Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:15 PM Subject: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] Please reply above this line Good afternoon Jay, We were able to test from this customer's account, and the same issue that was originally reported to us persisted. We logged into the customer portal, changed the MAC address by one digit, and immediately the customer was issued an IP address of 192.170.241.173. After changing the MAC address back to his current valid one, we then had to manually clear out his IP address in Powercode in order for the BMU to hand out a reservation for 192.168.3.36 via DHCP. At this point, we are going to contact our network engineers for assistance in troubleshooting why this customer would receive a 192.170.xx.xx reservation, as this IP does not fit within any ranges defined in Powercode. We will update you as soon as we've had a chance to go over this with them. -- Have you visited our knowledge base? The Powercode knowledge base contains data on all aspects of Powercode, including the BMU. You may also find useful information on our community forum. We endeavor to respond to all tickets within two business days. Our business hours are Monday - Friday, 9AM to 5PM Central time. Please contact us via telephone at (920) 351-1010 tel:%28920%29%20351-1010 or via Skype at powercode_support with any urgent needs. -- John Mahnke Powercode - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
Funny. Can you imagine in Microsoft had embedded something like that in Windows... Would not have taken long to own bitcoin. From: That One Guy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 8:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space me and my tinfoil hat find it suspiscious that v10 resolved the constant overloaded billing servers and this pops up, like there is a list somewhere and since the first one I saw was affiliated with bitcoins, Paranoid me assumed a developer sometime in the historical chain realized there were alot of unused cycles out there under their control. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Look up variable declaration types. I'm willing to bet someone did the math wrong. I've seen it a couple times before but I can't recall where. While the IPs look random, they're not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:47 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc To: Powercode Cc: Cyber Broadband Inc. Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM Subject: Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using equipment search, which came back to customer 514, x, who had logged into the customer portal on January 29 to install a new router. Upon changing his MAC address, powercode assigned him 104.153.191.25, which is not even in any of our network address ranges. It belongs to: Source: whois.arin.net IP Address: 104.153.191.25 Name: IMDC-KC-LOOPBACKS Handle: NET-104-153-191-0-1 Registration Date: 2/2/15 Range: 104.153.191.0-104.153.191.31 Org: Iron Mountain Data Center Org Handle: IMIML Address: One Federal Street City: Boston State/Province: MA Postal Code: 02111 Country: UNITED STATES This is very similar to our new public IP range which is 104.152.40.0/22 Incidently, it appears this customer was assigned 104.152.40.91 before he attempted to edit his equipment and was changed to 104.153.191.25. Also of note, it appears this only affected the GUI/web interface of powercode, and the router/bmu continued to assign him 104.152.40.91. I will now have to reassign x a new IP address since the web/gui gave his IP address to someone else. I hope this information helps you to figure out what is happening. I am still concerned we have some kind of database issue. Weird things like this seem to be happening a lot. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Powercode To: Cyber Broadband Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:15 PM Subject: Ticket
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
Well, let me ask you a question. If you were buying a brand new Ferrari, and someone brought one out with 10 miles on it, would you accept it as new? I don't think so. Didn't you tell me your G650 wasn't brand new because it had something like 10 hours on the engine? On 03/09/2015 10:07 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: Didn't you say one had like 10 miles on it? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com wrote: And if anyone tells you about the three brand new Ferraris I just bought, they're lying. They were not brand new. On 03/09/2015 10:01 AM, Simon Westlake wrote: I think your tinfoil hat is a little tight.. ;) If we were going to use your billing server as a bitcoin miner, why would we only change the IPs when a customer updated their equipment in the portal? And why would we even make it visible? If I really wanted to hide a bitcoin miner on your billing server, I wouldn't do it by sending your customers to the redirect page.. On 03/09/2015 09:57 AM, That One Guy wrote: me and my tinfoil hat find it suspiscious that v10 resolved the constant overloaded billing servers and this pops up, like there is a list somewhere and since the first one I saw was affiliated with bitcoins, Paranoid me assumed a developer sometime in the historical chain realized there were alot of unused cycles out there under their control. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Look up variable declaration types. I'm willing to bet someone did the math wrong. I've seen it a couple times before but I can't recall where. While the IPs look random, they're not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:47 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc *To:* Powercode *Cc:* Cyber Broadband Inc. *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM *Subject:* Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
Like uTorrent installing Epic Scale if you miss the Decline option? From: Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space Funny. Can you imagine in Microsoft had embedded something like that in Windows... Would not have taken long to own bitcoin. From: That One Guy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 8:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space me and my tinfoil hat find it suspiscious that v10 resolved the constant overloaded billing servers and this pops up, like there is a list somewhere and since the first one I saw was affiliated with bitcoins, Paranoid me assumed a developer sometime in the historical chain realized there were alot of unused cycles out there under their control. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Look up variable declaration types. I'm willing to bet someone did the math wrong. I've seen it a couple times before but I can't recall where. While the IPs look random, they're not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:47 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc To: Powercode Cc: Cyber Broadband Inc. Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM Subject: Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using equipment search, which came back to customer 514, x, who had logged into the customer portal on January 29 to install a new router. Upon changing his MAC address, powercode assigned him 104.153.191.25, which is not even in any of our network address ranges. It belongs to: Source: whois.arin.net IP Address: 104.153.191.25 Name: IMDC-KC-LOOPBACKS Handle: NET-104-153-191-0-1 Registration Date: 2/2/15 Range: 104.153.191.0-104.153.191.31 Org: Iron Mountain Data Center Org Handle: IMIML Address: One Federal Street City: Boston State/Province: MA Postal Code: 02111 Country: UNITED STATES This is very similar to our new public IP range which is 104.152.40.0/22 Incidently, it appears this customer was assigned 104.152.40.91 before he attempted to edit his equipment and was changed to 104.153.191.25. Also of note, it appears this only affected the GUI/web interface of powercode, and the router/bmu continued to assign him 104.152.40.91. I will now have to reassign x a new IP address since the web/gui gave his IP address to someone else. I hope this information helps you to figure out what is happening. I am still concerned we have some kind of database issue. Weird things like this seem to be happening a
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
Fair enough. Its not being done right though. It is defiantly the lack of data on customers and APs that is driving this for me. Brandon Yuchasz Gogebicrange.net To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Nothing wrong with bridging if its done right Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2015 at 11:29 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Nothing against a bridged network as long as every AP is on a VLAN to a router or is fed from a router port directly. I would never bridge a bunch of APs together ever again. That is a move that we all came to regret in the early days. (back before NAT and SM isolation and other nice things were added to Canopy) From: That One Guy mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don't have a lot of background in but I also don't want to end the process having a system I can't fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
I had a friend once (yes...past tense) who wanted to code for a living. He made it clear if his projects worked on his computerhis job was done. It was up to people like me to fix it if it didn't work elsewhere. He went sort of psycho out of college...curious if he ever got a job Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space Date: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 10:30 AM I had to reread that second paragraph at least 3 times. You've awakened feelings in me I didn't know I had. On 03/09/2015 10:07 AM, That One Guy wrote: I suspected it was discovered, and v10 specifically broke the miner and the code that called these IPs from a list somehow put them in there. If I were a developer I would do things like that, which is why God intervened everytime I tried to learn to code. I would be in prison, I would be very pretty, the koolaid lipstick would make my lips cherry red, and my shirt would be tied in a knot while my milkshake brought all the boys to the yard. Good thing for me I never learned to code On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: I think your tinfoil hat is a little tight.. ;) If we were going to use your billing server as a bitcoin miner, why would we only change the IPs when a customer updated their equipment in the portal? And why would we even make it visible? If I really wanted to hide a bitcoin miner on your billing server, I wouldn't do it by sending your customers to the redirect page.. On 03/09/2015 09:57 AM, That One Guy wrote: me and my tinfoil hat find it suspiscious that v10 resolved the constant overloaded billing servers and this pops up, like there is a list somewhere and since the first one I saw was affiliated with bitcoins, Paranoid me assumed a developer sometime in the historical chain realized there were alot of unused cycles out there under their control. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Look up variable declaration types. I'm willing to bet someone did the math wrong. I've seen it a couple times before but I can't recall where. While the IPs look random, they're not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:47 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc To: Powercode Cc: Cyber Broadband Inc. Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM Subject: Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using equipment search, which came back to customer 514, x, who had logged into the customer portal on January 29 to install a new router. Upon changing his MAC address, powercode assigned him 104.153.191.25, which is not even in any of our network address ranges. It belongs to: Source: whois.arin.net IP Address: 104.153.191.25 Name: IMDC-KC-LOOPBACKS Handle: NET-104-153-191-0-1 Registration Date: 2/2/15 Range: 104.153.191.0-104.153.191.31 Org: Iron Mountain Data Center Org Handle: IMIML Address: One
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
I suspected it was discovered, and v10 specifically broke the miner and the code that called these IPs from a list somehow put them in there. If I were a developer I would do things like that, which is why God intervened everytime I tried to learn to code. I would be in prison, I would be very pretty, the koolaid lipstick would make my lips cherry red, and my shirt would be tied in a knot while my milkshake brought all the boys to the yard. Good thing for me I never learned to code On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: I think your tinfoil hat is a little tight.. ;) If we were going to use your billing server as a bitcoin miner, why would we only change the IPs when a customer updated their equipment in the portal? And why would we even make it visible? If I really wanted to hide a bitcoin miner on your billing server, I wouldn't do it by sending your customers to the redirect page.. On 03/09/2015 09:57 AM, That One Guy wrote: me and my tinfoil hat find it suspiscious that v10 resolved the constant overloaded billing servers and this pops up, like there is a list somewhere and since the first one I saw was affiliated with bitcoins, Paranoid me assumed a developer sometime in the historical chain realized there were alot of unused cycles out there under their control. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Look up variable declaration types. I'm willing to bet someone did the math wrong. I've seen it a couple times before but I can't recall where. While the IPs look random, they're not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:47 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc *To:* Powercode *Cc:* Cyber Broadband Inc. *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM *Subject:* Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using equipment search, which came back to customer 514, x, who had logged into the customer portal on January 29 to install a new router. Upon changing his MAC address, powercode assigned him 104.153.191.25, which is not even in any of our network address ranges. It belongs to: Source: whois.arin.net IP Address: 104.153.191.25 Name: IMDC-KC-LOOPBACKS Handle: NET-104-153-191-0-1 Registration Date: 2/2/15 Range: 104.153.191.0-104.153.191.31 Org: Iron Mountain Data Center Org Handle: IMIML Address: One Federal Street City: Boston State/Province: MA Postal Code: 02111 Country: UNITED STATES This is very similar to our new public IP range which is 104.152.40.0/22 Incidently, it appears this customer was assigned 104.152.40.91 before he attempted to edit his equipment and was changed to 104.153.191.25. Also of note, it appears this only affected the GUI/web interface of powercode, and the router/bmu continued to assign him 104.152.40.91. I will now have to reassign x a new IP address since the web/gui gave his IP address to someone else. I hope this information helps you to figure out what is happening. I am still concerned we have
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc *To:* Powercode *Cc:* Cyber Broadband Inc. *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM *Subject:* Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using equipment search, which came back to customer 514, x, who had logged into the customer portal on January 29 to install a new router. Upon changing his MAC address, powercode assigned him 104.153.191.25, which is not even in any of our network address ranges. It belongs to: Source: whois.arin.net IP Address: 104.153.191.25 Name: IMDC-KC-LOOPBACKS Handle: NET-104-153-191-0-1 Registration Date: 2/2/15 Range: 104.153.191.0-104.153.191.31 Org: Iron Mountain Data Center Org Handle: IMIML Address: One Federal Street City: Boston State/Province: MA Postal Code: 02111 Country: UNITED STATES This is very similar to our new public IP range which is 104.152.40.0/22 Incidently, it appears this customer was assigned 104.152.40.91 before he attempted to edit his equipment and was changed to 104.153.191.25. Also of note, it appears this only affected the GUI/web interface of powercode, and the router/bmu continued to assign him 104.152.40.91. I will now have to reassign x a new IP address since the web/gui gave his IP address to someone else. I hope this information helps you to figure out what is happening. I am still concerned we have some kind of database issue. Weird things like this seem to be happening a lot. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Powercode To: Cyber Broadband Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:15 PM Subject: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] Please reply above this line Good afternoon Jay, We were able to test from this customer's account, and the same issue that was originally reported to us persisted. We logged into the customer portal, changed the MAC address by one digit, and immediately the customer was issued an IP address of 192.170.241.173. After changing the MAC address back to his current valid one, we then had to manually clear out his IP address in Powercode in order for the BMU to hand out a reservation for 192.168.3.36 via DHCP. At this point, we are going to contact our network engineers for assistance in troubleshooting why this customer would receive a 192.170.xx.xx reservation, as this IP does not fit within any ranges defined in Powercode. We will update you as soon as we've had a chance to go over this with them. -- Have you visited our knowledge base? The Powercode knowledge base contains data on all aspects of Powercode, including the BMU. You may also find useful information on our community forum. We endeavor to respond to all tickets within two business days. Our business hours are Monday - Friday, 9AM to 5PM Central time. Please contact us via telephone at (920) 351-1010 or via Skype at powercode_support with any urgent needs. -- John Mahnke Powercode - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS powercode.com P: 920-351-1010 E: supp...@powercode.com - Original Message - *From:* Jeremy
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform well Yes WDS makes a difference but not that much. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
me and my tinfoil hat find it suspiscious that v10 resolved the constant overloaded billing servers and this pops up, like there is a list somewhere and since the first one I saw was affiliated with bitcoins, Paranoid me assumed a developer sometime in the historical chain realized there were alot of unused cycles out there under their control. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Look up variable declaration types. I'm willing to bet someone did the math wrong. I've seen it a couple times before but I can't recall where. While the IPs look random, they're not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:47 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc *To:* Powercode *Cc:* Cyber Broadband Inc. *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM *Subject:* Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using equipment search, which came back to customer 514, x, who had logged into the customer portal on January 29 to install a new router. Upon changing his MAC address, powercode assigned him 104.153.191.25, which is not even in any of our network address ranges. It belongs to: Source: whois.arin.net IP Address: 104.153.191.25 Name: IMDC-KC-LOOPBACKS Handle: NET-104-153-191-0-1 Registration Date: 2/2/15 Range: 104.153.191.0-104.153.191.31 Org: Iron Mountain Data Center Org Handle: IMIML Address: One Federal Street City: Boston State/Province: MA Postal Code: 02111 Country: UNITED STATES This is very similar to our new public IP range which is 104.152.40.0/22 Incidently, it appears this customer was assigned 104.152.40.91 before he attempted to edit his equipment and was changed to 104.153.191.25. Also of note, it appears this only affected the GUI/web interface of powercode, and the router/bmu continued to assign him 104.152.40.91. I will now have to reassign x a new IP address since the web/gui gave his IP address to someone else. I hope this information helps you to figure out what is happening. I am still concerned we have some kind of database issue. Weird things like this seem to be happening a lot. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Powercode To: Cyber Broadband Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:15 PM Subject: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] Please reply above this line Good afternoon Jay, We were able to test from this customer's account, and the same issue that was originally reported to us persisted. We logged into the customer portal, changed the MAC address by one digit, and immediately the customer was issued an IP address of 192.170.241.173. After changing the MAC address back to his current valid one, we then had to manually clear out his IP address in Powercode in order for the BMU to hand out a reservation for 192.168.3.36 via DHCP. At this point, we are going to contact our network engineers for assistance in troubleshooting why this customer would receive a 192.170.xx.xx reservation, as this IP does not fit
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
So it creates a DHCP reservation in a bad subnet. That's it. The only bad thing is the customer device gets a bad IP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:57 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: me and my tinfoil hat find it suspiscious that v10 resolved the constant overloaded billing servers and this pops up, like there is a list somewhere and since the first one I saw was affiliated with bitcoins, Paranoid me assumed a developer sometime in the historical chain realized there were alot of unused cycles out there under their control. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Look up variable declaration types. I'm willing to bet someone did the math wrong. I've seen it a couple times before but I can't recall where. While the IPs look random, they're not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:47 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc *To:* Powercode *Cc:* Cyber Broadband Inc. *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM *Subject:* Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using equipment search, which came back to customer 514, x, who had logged into the customer portal on January 29 to install a new router. Upon changing his MAC address, powercode assigned him 104.153.191.25, which is not even in any of our network address ranges. It belongs to: Source: whois.arin.net IP Address: 104.153.191.25 Name: IMDC-KC-LOOPBACKS Handle: NET-104-153-191-0-1 Registration Date: 2/2/15 Range: 104.153.191.0-104.153.191.31 Org: Iron Mountain Data Center Org Handle: IMIML Address: One Federal Street City: Boston State/Province: MA Postal Code: 02111 Country: UNITED STATES This is very similar to our new public IP range which is 104.152.40.0/22 Incidently, it appears this customer was assigned 104.152.40.91 before he attempted to edit his equipment and was changed to 104.153.191.25. Also of note, it appears this only affected the GUI/web interface of powercode, and the router/bmu continued to assign him 104.152.40.91. I will now have to reassign x a new IP address since the web/gui gave his IP address to someone else. I hope this information helps you to figure out what is happening. I am still concerned we have some kind of database issue. Weird things like this seem to be happening a lot. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Powercode To: Cyber Broadband Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:15 PM Subject: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] Please reply above this line Good afternoon Jay, We were able to test from this customer's account, and the same issue that was originally reported to us persisted. We logged into the customer portal, changed the MAC address by one digit, and immediately the customer was issued an IP address of 192.170.241.173. After changing the MAC address back to his current valid one, we then had to manually
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
The IPs are random, it's a random integer that is used to represent a position in an address range. You just happened to be close enough to those from an integer perspective. On 03/09/2015 09:47 AM, That One Guy wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com mailto:si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc *To:* Powercode *Cc:* Cyber Broadband Inc. *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM *Subject:* Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was 78:24:AF:7B:49:38 , using equipment search, which came back to customer 514, x, who had logged into the customer portal on January 29 to install a new router. Upon changing his MAC address, powercode assigned him 104.153.191.25, which is not even in any of our network address ranges. It belongs to: Source: whois.arin.net http://whois.arin.net IP Address: 104.153.191.25 Name: IMDC-KC-LOOPBACKS Handle: NET-104-153-191-0-1 Registration Date: 2/2/15 Range: 104.153.191.0-104.153.191.31 Org: Iron Mountain Data Center Org Handle: IMIML Address: One Federal Street City: Boston State/Province: MA Postal Code: 02111 Country: UNITED STATES This is very similar to our new public IP range which is 104.152.40.0/22 http://104.152.40.0/22 Incidently, it appears this customer was assigned 104.152.40.91 before he attempted to edit his equipment and was changed to 104.153.191.25. Also of note, it appears this only affected the GUI/web interface of powercode, and the router/bmu continued to assign him 104.152.40.91. I will now have to reassign x a new IP address since the web/gui gave his IP address to someone else. I hope this information helps you to figure out what is happening. I am still concerned we have some kind of database issue. Weird things like this seem to be happening a lot. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Powercode To: Cyber Broadband Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:15 PM Subject: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] Please reply above this line Good afternoon Jay, We were able to test from this customer's account, and the same issue that was originally reported to us persisted. We logged into the customer portal, changed the MAC address by one digit, and immediately the customer was issued an IP address of 192.170.241.173. After changing the MAC address back to his current valid one, we then had to manually clear out his IP address in Powercode in order for the BMU to hand out a reservation for 192.168.3.36 via DHCP. At this point, we
[AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed.
I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don't have a lot of background in but I also don't want to end the process having a system I can't fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
Nothing wrong with bridging if its done right Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2015 at 11:29 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Nothing against a bridged network as long as every AP is on a VLAN to a router or is fed from a router port directly. I would never bridge a bunch of APs together ever again. That is a move that we all came to regret in the early days. (back before NAT and SM isolation and other nice things were added to Canopy) From: That One Guymailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchaszmailto:li...@gogebicrange.net Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.netmailto:bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
Yeah, I have no idea why UBNT decided to label Layer2 mode as WDS mode. It definitely creates a bit of confusion for people. There is actually no WDS repeating taking place in this scenario. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: WDS repeater mode cuts the throughput. In this case WDS is allowing the MAC address of the device behind it to pass through. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/Installation-Troubleshooting/What-do-WDS-Transparent-Bridge-Mode-on-both-end-AP-and-Station/td-p/618853 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 8:26 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance Definitely not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:23 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: WDS definitely does not halve the bandwidth of the clients. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com wrote: Doing the separate links would be the best option. You have a little more control over the quality of each link as opposed to one link possibly bringing down the whole AP. I am not really sure WDS is going to help you much. WDS mostly provides L2 access, if you CPE is a bridged CPE. I am not sure you will see much benefit from WDS. I thought, and I could be wrong, that WDSing all the clients on one AP halves the bandwidth of the clients. I could be wrong. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform well Yes WDS makes a difference but not that much. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space
I can see the T shirt now. Photo: Tied off shirt, daisy dukes, heels, hair, makeup. Caption: “I should have never learned to code.” From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space AFMUG 2016 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:36 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I think we need photos... From: Simon Westlake Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space I had to reread that second paragraph at least 3 times. You've awakened feelings in me I didn't know I had. On 03/09/2015 10:07 AM, That One Guy wrote: I suspected it was discovered, and v10 specifically broke the miner and the code that called these IPs from a list somehow put them in there. If I were a developer I would do things like that, which is why God intervened everytime I tried to learn to code. I would be in prison, I would be very pretty, the koolaid lipstick would make my lips cherry red, and my shirt would be tied in a knot while my milkshake brought all the boys to the yard. Good thing for me I never learned to code On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: I think your tinfoil hat is a little tight.. ;) If we were going to use your billing server as a bitcoin miner, why would we only change the IPs when a customer updated their equipment in the portal? And why would we even make it visible? If I really wanted to hide a bitcoin miner on your billing server, I wouldn't do it by sending your customers to the redirect page.. On 03/09/2015 09:57 AM, That One Guy wrote: me and my tinfoil hat find it suspiscious that v10 resolved the constant overloaded billing servers and this pops up, like there is a list somewhere and since the first one I saw was affiliated with bitcoins, Paranoid me assumed a developer sometime in the historical chain realized there were alot of unused cycles out there under their control. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Look up variable declaration types. I'm willing to bet someone did the math wrong. I've seen it a couple times before but I can't recall where. While the IPs look random, they're not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:47 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the redirect and I went in and looked and he was on a completely wrong IP (in a subnet that I happened to be working on earlier that day and the evening before). He hadn't even logged into the customer portal. The logs didn't show any IP change, but clearly his IP was changed in the database, as he was working fine on the same IP for months and months. That issue and the incorrect assignments when a customer enters a new MAC seemed related to me. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Jay Fuller - Cyber Broadband Inc To: Powercode Cc: Cyber Broadband Inc. Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 7:34 PM Subject: Re: Ticket Updated [Ticket Number:5841] - weird ip changes during customer portal equipment edits Gentlemen: It has happened again. x, customer 1478, requested a public routable IP address which is in a different address class from what he was assigned at installation. Upon changing the address, he was assigned 104.152.40.91, which is an available address in the Cullman Public address range. However, when looking at the ARP response (because the customer is bridged to our main router), I saw another network device already had that IP address. So, I searched for that MAC address, which was
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
I was pointing out the circumstances under which WDS would cut the throughput From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 8:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance He has three stations talking to one AP. They're not doing WDS repeater. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:29 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz wrote: WDS repeater mode cuts the throughput. In this case WDS is allowing the MAC address of the device behind it to pass through. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/Installation-Troubleshooting/What-do-WDS-Transparent-Bridge-Mode-on-both-end-AP-and-Station/td-p/618853 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 8:26 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance Definitely not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:23 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: WDS definitely does not halve the bandwidth of the clients. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com mailto:vi...@shelbybb.com wrote: Doing the separate links would be the best option. You have a little more control over the quality of each link as opposed to one link possibly bringing down the whole AP. I am not really sure WDS is going to help you much. WDS mostly provides L2 access, if you CPE is a bridged CPE. I am not sure you will see much benefit from WDS. I thought, and I could be wrong, that WDSing all the clients on one AP halves the bandwidth of the clients. I could be wrong. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 tel:1-888-364-4232 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz wrote: What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform well Yes WDS makes a difference but not that much. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
Yes, that’s why we re moving to a Carrier Ethernet 2.0 environment Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2015 at 12:34 PM To: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Cc: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Lack of layer2 tools from most vendors in our industry make diagnostics and performance testing problematic. On Mar 9, 2015 7:31 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Nothing wrong with bridging if its done right Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2015 at 11:29 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Nothing against a bridged network as long as every AP is on a VLAN to a router or is fed from a router port directly. I would never bridge a bunch of APs together ever again. That is a move that we all came to regret in the early days. (back before NAT and SM isolation and other nice things were added to Canopy) From: That One Guymailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchaszmailto:li...@gogebicrange.net Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.netmailto:bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
We kind of spiraled out on that didn't we?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:29 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Let the guy do his routed network. A billing system is not a
prerequisite. Although if he has something in mind like Powercode for
the future, it might be good to take that into consideration since it
has a network element (BMU) that has to go somewhere.
*From:* Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 12:17 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted. (More Info)
Free for 30 days, or free for up to 30 sensors. The way I use
sensors on our network, that will cover about 2 devices.
http://www.paessler.com/prtg/download
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an
internal subnet for it.
*From:* Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted. (More Info)
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am
uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know.
So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe.
All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well.
Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and
standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used.
Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way.
But we have several different sites that are all very similar.
The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450
coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the
base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool
box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK
APs and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and its all
tied together in a weatherproof box.
So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT.
We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and
down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So
existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are
quite happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely
double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way.
Brandon
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to
track CPE and AP bandwidth as is.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less
of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I
put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed
switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a
truck roll.
One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static
with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one
public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate
to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central
site with big central router?
*From:*That One Guy mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:*Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged
network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it
may be a cost effective solution for you as well.
I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out
from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a
50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make
sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point.
A bridged WISP is asking for trouble.
How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites
capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start.
Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally,
one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my
preference.
*From:*Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net
*Sent:*Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:*[AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted.
I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to
routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted.
From what I remember, TWC has residential in 10.x.x.x/8 and carries quite a few vlans on their network (network wide). I got the skinny one day a few years ago while sitting in a TWC splice truck waiting for a circuit to get finished while taking about the miracle that was tight bend radius fiber. On Mar 9, 2015 9:06 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:Same with VPLS and CE... if youre the type of operation thats running VLANs to separate things across the entire network, iBGP, VPLS, CE, etc. are more than likely beyond your reach at this moment in time.-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.comFrom: Josh Reynolds josh@spitwspots.comTo: Mike Hammett afmug@ics-il.netCc: af@afmug.comSent: Monday, March 9, 2015 12:01:28 PMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridgednetworktorouted.Many providers have multiple border edges. Thats what iBGP is for :P On Mar 9, 2015 8:45 AM, Mike Hammett afmug@ics-il.net wrote:One downfall of that is that its more difficult to move traffic that doesnt go directly to your NOC. It also makes it more difficult to have two edges. It also doesnt have as good of failure re-routing.-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.comFrom: Jeremy jeremysmith2@gmail.comTo: af@afmug.comSent: Monday, March 9, 2015 10:29:26 AMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.I am one of those people. We run a fully bridged network with segmented VLANs to each AP. We also prune the VLANs over each backhaul link so the packets only go where they are supposed to. This segments the broadcast domain and resolves the majority of the issues that a bridged network can suffer from. A bridged network doesnt have to be a flat network. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:23 AM, That One Guy thatoneguysteve@gmail.com wrote:not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well.I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you beginOn Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown chuck@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list Brandon@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you dont see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
I'm okay with PoE at the house. Everything on a tower and enterprise customers should be fiber + DC. I'd be okay with something like a Rocket without and a Rocket Premium with. ePMP connectorized without, ePMP GPS with. I know quite a few people with diesel cars. They love their 50 MPG+. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 12:22:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. I hope vendors understand that not every radio should be fiber + DC. For example, CPE radios should remain POE. And all the people deploying Netonix switches at their towers are going to be pissed if every low cost AP and backhaul radio now wants fiber + DC and won’t accept GigE w/POE. It’s like you may want diesel on your truck, not sure you want it on your car. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 11:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. I'd like that, but getting SFPs seems to be a big enough challenge for this industry. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com Cc: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 11:44:38 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Yes, that’s why we re moving to a Carrier Ethernet 2.0 environment Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2015 at 12:34 PM To: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Cc: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Lack of layer2 tools from most vendors in our industry make diagnostics and performance testing problematic. On Mar 9, 2015 7:31 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Nothing wrong with bridging if its done right Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2015 at 11:29 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Nothing against a bridged network as long as every AP is on a VLAN to a router or is fed from a router port directly. I would never bridge a bunch of APs together ever again. That is a move that we all came to regret in the early days. (back before NAT and SM isolation and other nice things were added to Canopy) From: That One Guy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: blockquote Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
yes, the 2011 would be a great unit. Especially considering they have a rack
mount variant as well if he has any sites with rack enclosures
From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
I agree with putting a Mikrotik at each of his POPs. That allows him to just
plug them in (without regard to which hardware he happens to use everywhere).
Then if he decides to go the VLAN route, the MTs would allow him to do that.
If he decides to go routed, they would allow for that as well.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:54 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
There are lots of SNMP based monitoring tools without integrating with
“billing”.
Also you gain a lot of interactive troubleshooting tools with a router at each
tower that have nothing to do with billing or monitoring. Think in terms of a
Winbox session to a Mikrotik router, and tools like Torch. Even if he goes
with VLANs, an intelligent device at the tower is worth its cost many times
over.
From: Mathew Howardmailto:mhoward...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:48 PM
To: afmailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
But it seems like his primary reason for going routed at this point is to get
better monitoring abilities... and a good billing system would accomplish most
of that.
I would start replacing all the switches at the towers with something like
Mikrotik RB2011's... you could just configure them all as switches to start out
and get all the hardware you need in place before you actually change anything,
if nothing else, you'd gain the Mikrotik's internal graphing to give you a
better idea what's going on in the short term.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Ken Hohhof
af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Let the guy do his routed network. A billing system is not a prerequisite.
Although if he has something in mind like Powercode for the future, it might be
good to take that into consideration since it has a network element (BMU) that
has to go somewhere.
From: Bill Princemailto:part15...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:17 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Free for 30 days, or free for up to 30 sensors. The way I use sensors on our
network, that will cover about 2 devices.
http://www.paessler.com/prtg/download
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal subnet
for it.
From: Brandon Yuchaszmailto:li...@gogebicrange.net
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in
an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it
is Ill open to robe.
All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls
are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and
Ligowave are the most used.
Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we
have several different sites that are all very similar.
The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon)
This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a
locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2
through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is
really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box.
So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT.
We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds
at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is
useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I
am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t
keep doing it this way.
Brandon
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and
AP bandwidth as is.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof
af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an
issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small
Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be
converted to
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
Thanks guys all helpful. I just track our IPs in excel and our customers are
billed in quickbooks. Works for us right now.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 1:00 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Yeah, completely true. even without making any actual configuration changes,
you'll gain a lot of extremely useful tools just be having a Mikrotik sitting
there acting like a switch.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
There are lots of SNMP based monitoring tools without integrating with
“billing”.
Also you gain a lot of interactive troubleshooting tools with a router at each
tower that have nothing to do with billing or monitoring. Think in terms of a
Winbox session to a Mikrotik router, and tools like Torch. Even if he goes
with VLANs, an intelligent device at the tower is worth its cost many times
over.
From: Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:48 PM
To: af mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
But it seems like his primary reason for going routed at this point is to get
better monitoring abilities... and a good billing system would accomplish most
of that.
I would start replacing all the switches at the towers with something like
Mikrotik RB2011's... you could just configure them all as switches to start out
and get all the hardware you need in place before you actually change anything,
if nothing else, you'd gain the Mikrotik's internal graphing to give you a
better idea what's going on in the short term.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Let the guy do his routed network. A billing system is not a prerequisite.
Although if he has something in mind like Powercode for the future, it might be
good to take that into consideration since it has a network element (BMU) that
has to go somewhere.
From: Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Free for 30 days, or free for up to 30 sensors. The way I use sensors on our
network, that will cover about 2 devices.
http://www.paessler.com/prtg/download
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal subnet
for it.
From: Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in
an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it
is Ill open to robe.
All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls
are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and
Ligowave are the most used.
Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we
have several different sites that are all very similar.
The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon)
This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a
locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2
through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is
really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box.
So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT.
We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds
at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is
useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I
am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t
keep doing it this way.
Brandon
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and
AP bandwidth as is.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an
issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small
Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be
converted to routed, often without a truck roll.
One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in
CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP?
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
Two different techs. WDS Bridging != WDS Repeating On Mar 9, 2015 7:37 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:Yeah, I have no idea why UBNT decided to label Layer2 mode as WDS mode. It definitely creates a bit of confusion for people. There is actually no WDS repeating taking place in this scenario.On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Jerry Richardson jerry@richardson.bz wrote:WDS repeater mode cuts the throughput. In this case WDS is allowing the MAC address of the device behind it to pass through. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/Installation-Troubleshooting/What-do-WDS-Transparent-Bridge-Mode-on-both-end-AP-and-Station/td-p/618853 From: Af [mailto:af-bounces@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh LuthmanSent: Monday, March 09, 2015 8:26 AMTo: af@afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance Definitely not.Josh LuthmanOffice: 937-552-2340Direct: 937-552-23431100 Wayne StSuite 1337Troy, OH 45373On Mar 9, 2015 11:23 AM, Jeremy jeremysmith2@gmail.com wrote:WDS definitely does not halve the bandwidth of the clients. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Vince West vince@shelbybb.com wrote:Doing the separate links would be the best option. You have a little more control over the quality of each link as opposed to one link possibly bringing down the whole AP. I am not really sure WDS is going to help you much. WDS mostly provides L2 access, if you CPE is a bridged CPE. I am not sure you will see much benefit from WDS. I thought, and I could be wrong, that WDSing all the clients on one AP halves the bandwidth of the clients. I could be wrong.Vince WestTower HandTechnical SupportShelby Broadband148 Citizens BlvdSimpsonville, KY 40067Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson jerry@richardson.bz wrote:What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform wellYes WDS makes a difference but not that much.-Original Message-From: Af [mailto:af-bounces@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam MoffettSent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AMTo: af@afmug.comSubject: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performanceIm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks.Im suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone whos already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info)
Swift fox is another good one we use it for mainly monitoring and engineering support I love the ip address feature I don't get charged for Mikrotik configuration and they set up my vpn to my office On Mar 9, 2015 11:52 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: First thing I'd do is fire up a billing system. Powercode or Visp are going to be the two options I'd suggest you start looking at. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:45 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Pretty sure you have to have Nat for that to work... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info) Date: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 11:43 AM Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe. All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used. Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we have several different sites that are all very similar. The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box. So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT. We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way. Brandon *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router? *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. *From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted.
Same with VPLS and CE... if you're the type of operation that's running VLANs to separate things across the entire network, iBGP, VPLS, CE, etc. are more than likely beyond your reach at this moment in time. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net Cc: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 12:01:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. Many providers have multiple border edges. That's what iBGP is for :P On Mar 9, 2015 8:45 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: One downfall of that is that it's more difficult to move traffic that doesn't go directly to your NOC. It also makes it more difficult to have two edges. It also doesn't have as good of failure re-routing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 10:29:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am one of those people. We run a fully bridged network with segmented VLANs to each AP. We also prune the VLANs over each backhaul link so the packets only go where they are supposed to. This segments the broadcast domain and resolves the majority of the issues that a bridged network can suffer from. A bridged network doesn't have to be a 'flat' network. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:23 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: blockquote Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
Yes. MRTG is free, but will make you crazy to admin if you have more
than a dozen devices to monitor.
Cacti is really free, other than your time. Lots of working examples.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Am I thinking of MRTG? One of them is free
PRTG is free if you don’t monitor over 5 devices isn’t it?
*From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 11:15 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted. (More Info)
Not free. http://www.paessler.com/prtg/price_list
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an
internal subnet for it.
*From:* Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted. (More Info)
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am
uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to
know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe.
All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as
well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try
and standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used.
Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar
way. But we have several different sites that are all very similar.
The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450
coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the
base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck
tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has
5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and
its all tied together in a weatherproof box.
So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of
NAT.
We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and
down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So
existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are
quite happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely
double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this
way.
Brandon
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to
track CPE and AP bandwidth as is.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much
less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I
bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a
managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often
without a truck roll.
One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static
with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to
one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to
migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs
to central site with big central router?
*From:*That One Guy mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:*Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged
network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about,
it may be a cost effective solution for you as well.
I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out
from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell
you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you
do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point.
A bridged WISP is asking for trouble.
How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the
sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would
start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers.
Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed
switches would be my preference.
*From:*Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net
*Sent:*Monday,
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
Yeah, completely true. even without making any actual configuration
changes, you'll gain a lot of extremely useful tools just be having a
Mikrotik sitting there acting like a switch.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
There are lots of SNMP based monitoring tools without integrating with
“billing”.
Also you gain a lot of interactive troubleshooting tools with a router at
each tower that have nothing to do with billing or monitoring. Think in
terms of a Winbox session to a Mikrotik router, and tools like Torch. Even
if he goes with VLANs, an intelligent device at the tower is worth its cost
many times over.
*From:* Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 12:48 PM
*To:* af af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
But it seems like his primary reason for going routed at this point is
to get better monitoring abilities... and a good billing system would
accomplish most of that.
I would start replacing all the switches at the towers with something like
Mikrotik RB2011's... you could just configure them all as switches to start
out and get all the hardware you need in place before you actually change
anything, if nothing else, you'd gain the Mikrotik's internal graphing to
give you a better idea what's going on in the short term.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Let the guy do his routed network. A billing system is not a
prerequisite. Although if he has something in mind like Powercode for the
future, it might be good to take that into consideration since it has a
network element (BMU) that has to go somewhere.
*From:* Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 12:17 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted. (More Info)
Free for 30 days, or free for up to 30 sensors. The way I use sensors
on our network, that will cover about 2 devices.
http://www.paessler.com/prtg/download
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal
subnet for it.
*From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted. (More Info)
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am
uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as
embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe.
All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well.
Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize,
Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used.
Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But
we have several different sites that are all very similar.
The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming
soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured
in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to
Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This
site is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof
box.
So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of
NAT.
We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down
speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing
equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with
the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next
6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way.
Brandon
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track
CPE and AP bandwidth as is.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of
an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a
small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way
it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll.
One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with
NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public
IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at
each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big
central router?
*From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
I've never seen anything do better what torch does. I didn't say it didn't
exist... just that if it does, I haven't seen it.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
To: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
Cc: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 1:02:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
FWIW, torch is painful. It's a seriously dumbed down version of tcpdump. I
don't know why they don't just ditch torch and use the OSS and much better
equivalent anyway.
On Mar 9, 2015 9:54 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
There are lots of SNMP based monitoring tools without integrating with
“billing”.
Also you gain a lot of interactive troubleshooting tools with a router at each
tower that have nothing to do with billing or monitoring. Think in terms of a
Winbox session to a Mikrotik router, and tools like Torch. Even if he goes with
VLANs, an intelligent device at the tower is worth its cost many times over.
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:48 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
But it seems like his primary reason for going routed at this point is to get
better monitoring abilities... and a good billing system would accomplish most
of that.
I would start replacing all the switches at the towers with something like
Mikrotik RB2011's... you could just configure them all as switches to start out
and get all the hardware you need in place before you actually change anything,
if nothing else, you'd gain the Mikrotik's internal graphing to give you a
better idea what's going on in the short term.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
blockquote
Let the guy do his routed network. A billing system is not a prerequisite.
Although if he has something in mind like Powercode for the future, it might be
good to take that into consideration since it has a network element (BMU) that
has to go somewhere.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Free for 30 days, or free for up to 30 sensors. The way I use sensors on our
network, that will cover about 2 devices.
blockquote
http://www.paessler.com/prtg/download
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
blockquote
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal subnet
for it.
From: Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in
an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it
is Ill open to robe.
All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls
are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and
Ligowave are the most used.
Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we
have several different sites that are all very similar.
The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon)
This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a
locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2
through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is
really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box.
So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT.
We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds
at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is
useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I
am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t
keep doing it this way.
Brandon
From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and
AP bandwidth as is.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an
issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small
Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be
converted to routed, often without a truck roll.
One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in
CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
I think WDS just means ADDR4 is present (the missing 4th mac address that allows for true transparent bridging). There shouldn't be any performance difference whether WDS is on or off. That 4th mac added is an insignificant addition. In some cases it might even perform higher depending if the L2 NAT is hardware accelerated or not. Repeating with a single, half-duplex radio using any method (with or without WDS) is going to cut the bandwidth in half because it needs to spend half the time receiving and half the time sending. Most of those plug-in off the shelf wireless repeaters for consumers are doing repeating without WDS and are halving the bandwidth for example. -Hal On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I have no idea why UBNT decided to label Layer2 mode as WDS mode. It definitely creates a bit of confusion for people. There is actually no WDS repeating taking place in this scenario. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: WDS repeater mode cuts the throughput. In this case WDS is allowing the MAC address of the device behind it to pass through. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/Installation-Troubleshooting/What-do-WDS-Transparent-Bridge-Mode-on-both-end-AP-and-Station/td-p/618853 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 8:26 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance Definitely not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:23 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: WDS definitely does not halve the bandwidth of the clients. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com wrote: Doing the separate links would be the best option. You have a little more control over the quality of each link as opposed to one link possibly bringing down the whole AP. I am not really sure WDS is going to help you much. WDS mostly provides L2 access, if you CPE is a bridged CPE. I am not sure you will see much benefit from WDS. I thought, and I could be wrong, that WDSing all the clients on one AP halves the bandwidth of the clients. I could be wrong. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform well Yes WDS makes a difference but not that much. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me. -- Harold Bledsoe
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info)
First thing I'd do is fire up a billing system. Powercode or Visp are going to be the two options I'd suggest you start looking at. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:45 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Pretty sure you have to have Nat for that to work... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info) Date: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 11:43 AM Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe. All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used. Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we have several different sites that are all very similar. The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box. So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT. We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way. Brandon *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router? *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. *From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
We actually renamed WDS Repeater to AP Repeater Mode in the web UI to help reduce this confusion. We also have the description Transparent Bridge Mode next to the WDS checkbox. Our recommendation is usually to leave it enabled... On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Two different techs. WDS Bridging != WDS Repeating On Mar 9, 2015 7:37 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I have no idea why UBNT decided to label Layer2 mode as WDS mode. It definitely creates a bit of confusion for people. There is actually no WDS repeating taking place in this scenario. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: WDS repeater mode cuts the throughput. In this case WDS is allowing the MAC address of the device behind it to pass through. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/Installation-Troubleshooting/What-do-WDS-Transparent-Bridge-Mode-on-both-end-AP-and-Station/td-p/618853 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 8:26 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance Definitely not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:23 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: WDS definitely does not halve the bandwidth of the clients. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com wrote: Doing the separate links would be the best option. You have a little more control over the quality of each link as opposed to one link possibly bringing down the whole AP. I am not really sure WDS is going to help you much. WDS mostly provides L2 access, if you CPE is a bridged CPE. I am not sure you will see much benefit from WDS. I thought, and I could be wrong, that WDSing all the clients on one AP halves the bandwidth of the clients. I could be wrong. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform well Yes WDS makes a difference but not that much. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
Am I thinking of MRTG? One of them is free PRTG is free if you don’t monitor over 5 devices isn’t it? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 11:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info) Not free. http://www.paessler.com/prtg/price_list Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal subnet for it. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info) Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe. All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used. Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we have several different sites that are all very similar. The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box. So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT. We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way. Brandon From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router? From: That One Guy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
MRTG is free, PRTG is pretty far from it. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Am I thinking of MRTG? One of them is free PRTG is free if you don’t monitor over 5 devices isn’t it? *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 11:15 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info) Not free. http://www.paessler.com/prtg/price_list Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal subnet for it. *From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info) Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe. All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used. Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we have several different sites that are all very similar. The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box. So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT. We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way. Brandon *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router? *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. *From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
I think the point is, even on the radios that have DC + SFP, there still needs to be an RJ45 jack that supports PoE... which, really, I don't see a good reason why they would take that away. I agree that for stuff like Rockets, there should just be two versions - a cheap one that's basically what we have now and a premium model that adds SFP... that way everyone can be happy. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm okay with PoE at the house. Everything on a tower and enterprise customers should be fiber + DC. I'd be okay with something like a Rocket without and a Rocket Premium with. ePMP connectorized without, ePMP GPS with. I know quite a few people with diesel cars. They love their 50 MPG+. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 9, 2015 12:22:23 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridgednetworktorouted. I hope vendors understand that not every radio should be fiber + DC. For example, CPE radios should remain POE. And all the people deploying Netonix switches at their towers are going to be pissed if every low cost AP and backhaul radio now wants fiber + DC and won’t accept GigE w/POE. It’s like you may want diesel on your truck, not sure you want it on your car. *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 11:46 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. I'd like that, but getting SFPs seems to be a big enough challenge for this industry. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com *To: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com *Cc: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 9, 2015 11:44:38 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Yes, that’s why we re moving to a Carrier Ethernet 2.0 environment Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2015 at 12:34 PM To: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Cc: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Lack of layer2 tools from most vendors in our industry make diagnostics and performance testing problematic. On Mar 9, 2015 7:31 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Nothing wrong with bridging if its done right Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2015 at 11:29 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Nothing against a bridged network as long as every AP is on a VLAN to a router or is fed from a router port directly. I would never bridge a bunch of APs together ever again. That is a move that we all came to regret in the early days. (back before NAT and SM isolation and other nice things were added to Canopy) *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. *From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
I don't particularly care if they leave the old stuff on, just give me the new stuff. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com To: af af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 12:41:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. I think the point is, even on the radios that have DC + SFP, there still needs to be an RJ45 jack that supports PoE... which, really, I don't see a good reason why they would take that away. I agree that for stuff like Rockets, there should just be two versions - a cheap one that's basically what we have now and a premium model that adds SFP... that way everyone can be happy. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm okay with PoE at the house. Everything on a tower and enterprise customers should be fiber + DC. I'd be okay with something like a Rocket without and a Rocket Premium with. ePMP connectorized without, ePMP GPS with. I know quite a few people with diesel cars. They love their 50 MPG+. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 12:22:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. I hope vendors understand that not every radio should be fiber + DC. For example, CPE radios should remain POE. And all the people deploying Netonix switches at their towers are going to be pissed if every low cost AP and backhaul radio now wants fiber + DC and won’t accept GigE w/POE. It’s like you may want diesel on your truck, not sure you want it on your car. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 11:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. I'd like that, but getting SFPs seems to be a big enough challenge for this industry. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com Cc: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 11:44:38 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Yes, that’s why we re moving to a Carrier Ethernet 2.0 environment Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2015 at 12:34 PM To: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Cc: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Lack of layer2 tools from most vendors in our industry make diagnostics and performance testing problematic. On Mar 9, 2015 7:31 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote Nothing wrong with bridging if its done right Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2015 at 11:29 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Nothing against a bridged network as long as every AP is on a VLAN to a router or is fed from a router port directly. I would never bridge a bunch of APs together ever again. That is a move that we all came to regret in the early days. (back before NAT and SM isolation and other nice things were added to Canopy) From: That One Guy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: blockquote Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info)
I've used WISPMon for years and love it. There are routinely about a dozen WISP billing platforms at the WISPA shows. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 11:51:55 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info) First thing I'd do is fire up a billing system. Powercode or Visp are going to be the two options I'd suggest you start looking at. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:45 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Pretty sure you have to have Nat for that to work... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info) Date: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 11:43 AM Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe. All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used. Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we have several different sites that are all very similar. The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box. So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT. We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way. Brandon From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router? From: That One Guy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: blockquote Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted.
Many providers have multiple border edges. That's what iBGP is for :P On Mar 9, 2015 8:45 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:One downfall of that is that its more difficult to move traffic that doesnt go directly to your NOC. It also makes it more difficult to have two edges. It also doesnt have as good of failure re-routing.-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.comFrom: Jeremy jeremysmith2@gmail.comTo: af@afmug.comSent: Monday, March 9, 2015 10:29:26 AMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.I am one of those people. We run a fully bridged network with segmented VLANs to each AP. We also prune the VLANs over each backhaul link so the packets only go where they are supposed to. This segments the broadcast domain and resolves the majority of the issues that a bridged network can suffer from. A bridged network doesnt have to be a flat network. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:23 AM, That One Guy thatoneguysteve@gmail.com wrote:not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well.I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you beginOn Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown chuck@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list Brandon@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you dont see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
Free for 30 days, or free for up to 30 sensors. The way I use sensors
on our network, that will cover about 2 devices.
http://www.paessler.com/prtg/download
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an
internal subnet for it.
*From:* Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted. (More Info)
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am
uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know.
So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe.
All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well.
Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and
standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used.
Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way.
But we have several different sites that are all very similar.
The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450
coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base
is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box.
Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and
one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and its all tied
together in a weatherproof box.
So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT.
We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and
down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So
existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are
quite happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely
double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way.
Brandon
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track
CPE and AP bandwidth as is.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less
of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put
a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch.
That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll.
One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with
NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one
public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate
to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central
site with big central router?
*From:*That One Guy mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:*Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged
network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it
may be a cost effective solution for you as well.
I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from
under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50
network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you
have all your routers on your desk before you begin
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point.
A bridged WISP is asking for trouble.
How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites
capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either
that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one
router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my
preference.
*From:*Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net
*Sent:*Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:*[AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted.
I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to
routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but
I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix
so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and
teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in
regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over
the phone and through a remote desktop app.
My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see
bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking
both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to
really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
I'd show you my shocked face but
From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
We kind of spiraled out on that didn't we?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:29 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Let the guy do his routed network. A billing system is not a prerequisite.
Although if he has something in mind like Powercode for the future, it might be
good to take that into consideration since it has a network element (BMU) that
has to go somewhere.
From: Bill Princemailto:part15...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:17 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Free for 30 days, or free for up to 30 sensors. The way I use sensors on our
network, that will cover about 2 devices.
http://www.paessler.com/prtg/download
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal subnet
for it.
From: Brandon Yuchaszmailto:li...@gogebicrange.net
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in
an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it
is Ill open to robe.
All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls
are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and
Ligowave are the most used.
Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we
have several different sites that are all very similar.
The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon)
This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a
locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2
through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is
really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box.
So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT.
We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds
at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is
useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I
am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t
keep doing it this way.
Brandon
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and
AP bandwidth as is.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof
af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an
issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small
Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be
converted to routed, often without a truck roll.
One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in
CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may
determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with
block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router?
From: That One Guymailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and
use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost
effective solution for you as well.
I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me
with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a
great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on
your desk before you begin
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown
ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point.
A bridged WISP is asking for trouble.
How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of
supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the
switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via
managed switches would be my preference.
From: Brandon Yuchaszmailto:li...@gogebicrange.net
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM
To:
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info)
Last I heard powercode wassnt really interested in less than 250 subs or so. At least that was their min license...(which I think makes it difficult to get started with them ) Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info) Date: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 11:51 AM First thing I'd do is fire up a billing system. Powercode or Visp are going to be the two options I'd suggest you start looking at. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:45 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Pretty sure you have to have Nat for that to work... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info) Date: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 11:43 AM Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe. All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used. Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we have several different sites that are all very similar. The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box. So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT. We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way. Brandon From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.. Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router? From: That One Guy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AMTo: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point.A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AMTo: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
Not free. http://www.paessler.com/prtg/price_list Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal subnet for it. *From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info) Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe. All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used. Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we have several different sites that are all very similar. The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box. So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT. We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way. Brandon *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router? *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. *From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
I like mrtg ... I make this page from it
Www.cyberbroadband.net/stats.html
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
- Reply message -
From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted.
(More Info)
Date: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 12:19 PM
Yes. MRTG is free, but will make you crazy to admin if you have more than a
dozen devices to monitor.
Cacti is really free, other than your time. Lots of working examples.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Am I thinking of MRTG? One of them is free
PRTG is free if you don’t monitor over 5 devices isn’t it?
*From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 11:15 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Not free. http://www.paessler.com/prtg/price_list
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an
internal subnet for it.
*From:* Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted. (More Info)
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am
uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to
know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe.
All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as
well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try
and standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used.
Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar
way. But we have several different sites that are all very similar.
The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450
coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the
base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck
tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has
5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and
its all tied together in a weatherproof box.
So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of
NAT.
We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and
down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So
existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are
quite happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely
double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this
way.
Brandon
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to
track CPE and AP bandwidth as is.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much
less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I
bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a
managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often
without a truck roll.
One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static
with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to
one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to
migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs
to central site with big central router?
*From:*That One Guy mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:*Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged
network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about,
it may be a cost effective solution for you as well.
I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out
from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell
you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you
do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point.
A bridged
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
How do you organize all of your IPs without something to document them?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
We kind of spiraled out on that didn't we?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:29 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Let the guy do his routed network. A billing system is not a
prerequisite. Although if he has something in mind like Powercode for the
future, it might be good to take that into consideration since it has a
network element (BMU) that has to go somewhere.
*From:* Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 12:17 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Free for 30 days, or free for up to 30 sensors. The way I use sensors
on our network, that will cover about 2 devices.
http://www.paessler.com/prtg/download
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal
subnet for it.
*From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am
uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as
embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe.
All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well.
Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize,
Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used.
Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But
we have several different sites that are all very similar.
The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming
soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured
in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to
Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This
site is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof
box.
So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of
NAT.
We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down
speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing
equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with
the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next
6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way.
Brandon
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE
and AP bandwidth as is.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an
issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small
Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can
be converted to routed, often without a truck roll.
One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT
in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP?
This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each
tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central
router?
*From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network
and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost
effective solution for you as well.
I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from
under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50
network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have
all your routers on your desk before you begin
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point.
A bridged WISP is asking for trouble.
How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of
supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing
the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP
via managed switches would be my preference.
*From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted.
One downfall of that is that it's more difficult to move traffic that doesn't go directly to your NOC. It also makes it more difficult to have two edges. It also doesn't have as good of failure re-routing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 10:29:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am one of those people. We run a fully bridged network with segmented VLANs to each AP. We also prune the VLANs over each backhaul link so the packets only go where they are supposed to. This segments the broadcast domain and resolves the majority of the issues that a bridged network can suffer from. A bridged network doesn't have to be a 'flat' network. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:23 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: blockquote Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info)
Pretty sure you have to have Nat for that to work... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info) Date: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 11:43 AM Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe. All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used. Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we have several different sites that are all very similar. The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box. So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT. We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way. Brandon From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router? From: That One Guy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AMTo: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point.A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AMTo: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks,Brandon YuchaszGogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal subnet for it. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info) Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe. All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used. Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we have several different sites that are all very similar. The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box. So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT. We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way. Brandon From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router? From: That One Guy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
I hope vendors understand that not every radio should be fiber + DC. For example, CPE radios should remain POE. And all the people deploying Netonix switches at their towers are going to be pissed if every low cost AP and backhaul radio now wants fiber + DC and won’t accept GigE w/POE. It’s like you may want diesel on your truck, not sure you want it on your car. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 11:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. I'd like that, but getting SFPs seems to be a big enough challenge for this industry. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com Cc: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 11:44:38 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Yes, that’s why we re moving to a Carrier Ethernet 2.0 environment Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2015 at 12:34 PM To: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Cc: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Lack of layer2 tools from most vendors in our industry make diagnostics and performance testing problematic. On Mar 9, 2015 7:31 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Nothing wrong with bridging if its done right Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2015 at 11:29 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Nothing against a bridged network as long as every AP is on a VLAN to a router or is fed from a router port directly. I would never bridge a bunch of APs together ever again. That is a move that we all came to regret in the early days. (back before NAT and SM isolation and other nice things were added to Canopy) From: That One Guy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
I agree with putting a Mikrotik at each of his POPs. That allows him to
just plug them in (without regard to which hardware he happens to use
everywhere). Then if he decides to go the VLAN route, the MTs would
allow him to do that. If he decides to go routed, they would allow for
that as well.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:54 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
There are lots of SNMP based monitoring tools without integrating with
“billing”.
Also you gain a lot of interactive troubleshooting tools with a router
at each tower that have nothing to do with billing or monitoring.
Think in terms of a Winbox session to a Mikrotik router, and tools
like Torch. Even if he goes with VLANs, an intelligent device at the
tower is worth its cost many times over.
*From:* Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 12:48 PM
*To:* af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted. (More Info)
But it seems like his primary reason for going routed at this point is
to get better monitoring abilities... and a good billing system would
accomplish most of that.
I would start replacing all the switches at the towers with something
like Mikrotik RB2011's... you could just configure them all as
switches to start out and get all the hardware you need in place
before you actually change anything, if nothing else, you'd gain the
Mikrotik's internal graphing to give you a better idea what's going on
in the short term.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Let the guy do his routed network. A billing system is not a
prerequisite. Although if he has something in mind like Powercode
for the future, it might be good to take that into consideration
since it has a network element (BMU) that has to go somewhere.
*From:* Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 12:17 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted. (More Info)
Free for 30 days, or free for up to 30 sensors. The way I use
sensors on our network, that will cover about 2 devices.
http://www.paessler.com/prtg/download
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an
internal subnet for it.
*From:* Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted. (More Info)
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am
uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to
know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe.
All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as
well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try
and standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used.
Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar
way. But we have several different sites that are all very similar.
The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450
coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the
base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck
tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two
has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads
and its all tied together in a weatherproof box.
So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way
of NAT.
We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up
and down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the
idea. So existing equipment is useless for this process. Our
customers are quite happy with the services but I am blind. I
will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t
keep doing it this way.
Brandon
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to
track CPE and AP bandwidth as is.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much
less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I
bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a
managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often
without a truck roll.
One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static
with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
Lack of layer2 tools from most vendors in our industry make diagnostics and performance testing problematic. On Mar 9, 2015 7:31 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Nothing wrong with bridging if its done right Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Chuck McCown chuck@wbmfg.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2015 at 11:29 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Nothing against a bridged network as long as every AP is on a VLAN to a router or is fed from a router port directly. I would never bridge a bunch of APs together ever again. That is a move that we all came to regret in the early days. (back before NAT and SM isolation and other nice things were added to Canopy) From: That One Guy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown chuck@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list Brandon@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you dont see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info)
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe. All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used. Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we have several different sites that are all very similar. The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box. So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT. We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way. Brandon From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router? From: That One Guy mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
Cacti does not use MRTG. It has it's own internal polling system. Cacti
does use RRDTOOL though.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
MRTG is OSS. Maybe you're thinking of Cacti which utilizes MRTG and
has a workable interface and such.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Am I thinking of MRTG? One of them is free
PRTG is free if you don’t monitor over 5 devices isn’t it?
*From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 11:15 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted. (More Info)
Not free. http://www.paessler.com/prtg/price_list
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an
internal subnet for it.
*From:* Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a
bridged network torouted. (More Info)
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I
am uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need
to know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe.
All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as
well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to
try and standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used.
Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a
similar way. But we have several different sites that are all
very similar.
The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs
(PMP450 coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my
equipment at the base is secured in a locking large steel box.
Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through
Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site
is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a
weatherproof box.
So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then
way of NAT.
We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up
and down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the
idea. So existing equipment is useless for this process. Our
customers are quite happy with the services but I am blind. I
will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I
can’t keep doing it this way.
Brandon
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a
bridged networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able
to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this
much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops
that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011
there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to
routed, often without a truck roll.
One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers.
Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple
customers to one public IP? This may determine which approach
is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with block of
public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router?
*From:*That One Guy mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:*Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a
bridged networktorouted.
not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully
bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am
curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as
well.
I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut
out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me
tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage.
whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your
desk before you begin
On Mon, Mar 9,
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
MRTG is OSS. Maybe you're thinking of Cacti which utilizes MRTG and has a workable interface and such. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Am I thinking of MRTG? One of them is free PRTG is free if you don’t monitor over 5 devices isn’t it? *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 11:15 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info) Not free. http://www.paessler.com/prtg/price_list Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal subnet for it. *From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info) Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe. All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used. Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we have several different sites that are all very similar. The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box. So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT. We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way. Brandon *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router? *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. *From:* Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
Let the guy do his routed network. A billing system is not a prerequisite.
Although if he has something in mind like Powercode for the future, it might be
good to take that into consideration since it has a network element (BMU) that
has to go somewhere.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Free for 30 days, or free for up to 30 sensors. The way I use sensors on our
network, that will cover about 2 devices.
http://www.paessler.com/prtg/download
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal
subnet for it.
From: Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated
in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as
it is Ill open to robe.
All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well.
Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize,
Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used.
Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we
have several different sites that are all very similar.
The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming
soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a
locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2
through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is
really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box.
So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT.
We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down
speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing
equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the
services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months
and I can’t keep doing it this way.
Brandon
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE
and AP bandwidth as is.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an
issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small
Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be
converted to routed, often without a truck roll.
One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in
CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may
determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with
block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router?
From: That One Guy
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network
and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost
effective solution for you as well.
I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under
me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks
a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on
your desk before you begin
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point.
A bridged WISP is asking for trouble.
How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of
supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the
switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via
managed switches would be my preference.
From: Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted.
I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This
is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end
the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing
to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process
works in regards to time I am hoping to spend
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
We have been extremely happy with PRTG. No, not free but you don’t need up upgrade as often as they want you to. If you are really budget limited, CACTI is really quite good. If you are not Linux savvy, CactiEZ would be a great way to go – you’ll need a dedicated server for it, but it will run on almost anything. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info) Not free. http://www.paessler.com/prtg/price_list Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal subnet for it. From: Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info) Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe. All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used. Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we have several different sites that are all very similar. The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box. So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT. We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way. Brandon From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router? From: That One Guy mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
I'd like that, but getting SFPs seems to be a big enough challenge for this industry. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com Cc: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 11:44:38 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Yes, that’s why we re moving to a Carrier Ethernet 2.0 environment Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2015 at 12:34 PM To: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Cc: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Lack of layer2 tools from most vendors in our industry make diagnostics and performance testing problematic. On Mar 9, 2015 7:31 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Nothing wrong with bridging if its done right Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2015 at 11:29 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Nothing against a bridged network as long as every AP is on a VLAN to a router or is fed from a router port directly. I would never bridge a bunch of APs together ever again. That is a move that we all came to regret in the early days. (back before NAT and SM isolation and other nice things were added to Canopy) From: That One Guy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: blockquote Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed.
Hey Brandon, I would be happy to help you out. Feel free to ping me off-list. ryan On 3/9/15 8:10 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don�t have a lot of background in but I also don�t want to end the process having a system I can�t fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the phone and through a remote desktop app. My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now before we get to large. I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never implemented. Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net mailto:bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help. Thanks, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net -- D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc broadband | telco | colo | community PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284 360-799-0552 | gtalk: rsp...@irongoat.net
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
There are lots of SNMP based monitoring tools without integrating with
“billing”.
Also you gain a lot of interactive troubleshooting tools with a router at each
tower that have nothing to do with billing or monitoring. Think in terms of a
Winbox session to a Mikrotik router, and tools like Torch. Even if he goes
with VLANs, an intelligent device at the tower is worth its cost many times
over.
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:48 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
But it seems like his primary reason for going routed at this point is to get
better monitoring abilities... and a good billing system would accomplish most
of that.
I would start replacing all the switches at the towers with something like
Mikrotik RB2011's... you could just configure them all as switches to start out
and get all the hardware you need in place before you actually change anything,
if nothing else, you'd gain the Mikrotik's internal graphing to give you a
better idea what's going on in the short term.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Let the guy do his routed network. A billing system is not a prerequisite.
Although if he has something in mind like Powercode for the future, it might be
good to take that into consideration since it has a network element (BMU) that
has to go somewhere.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Free for 30 days, or free for up to 30 sensors. The way I use sensors on
our network, that will cover about 2 devices.
http://www.paessler.com/prtg/download
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal
subnet for it.
From: Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated
in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as
it is Ill open to robe.
All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well.
Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize,
Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used.
Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we
have several different sites that are all very similar.
The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming
soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a
locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2
through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is
really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box.
So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT.
We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down
speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing
equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the
services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months
and I can’t keep doing it this way.
Brandon
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE
and AP bandwidth as is.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an
issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small
Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be
converted to routed, often without a truck roll.
One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT
in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This
may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower
with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router?
From: That One Guy
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network
and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost
effective solution for you as well.
I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from
under me with only half the routers
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
FWIW, torch is painful. It's a seriously dumbed down version of tcpdump. I don't know why they don't just ditch torch and use the OSS and much better equivalent anyway.
On Mar 9, 2015 9:54 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
There are lots of SNMP based monitoring tools without integrating with
“billing”.
Also you gain a lot of interactive troubleshooting tools with a router at
each tower that have nothing to do with billing or monitoring. Think in
terms of a Winbox session to a Mikrotik router, and tools like Torch. Even
if he goes with VLANs, an intelligent device at the tower is worth its cost many
times over.
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:48 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted. (More Info)
But it seems like his primary reason for going routed at this point is to
get better monitoring abilities... and a good billing system would accomplish
most of that.
I would start replacing all the switches at the towers with something like
Mikrotik RB2011s... you could just configure them all as switches to start out
and get all the hardware you need in place before you actually change anything,
if nothing else, youd gain the Mikrotiks internal graphing to give you a
better idea whats going on in the short term.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Ken Hohhof afmug@kwisp.com wrote:
Let the guy do his routed network. A billing system is not a
prerequisite. Although if he has something in mind like Powercode for
the future, it might be good to take that into consideration since it has a
network element (BMU) that has to go somewhere.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted. (More Info)
Free
for 30 days, or free for up to 30 sensors. The way I use sensors on
our network, that will cover about 2 devices.
http://www.paessler.com/prtg/downloadbp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal
subnet for it.
From: Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted. (More Info)
Alright
so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in an
area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it
is Ill open to robe.
All
APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls
are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium,
and Ligowave are the most used.
Ill
just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we have
several different sites that are all very similar.
The
site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon)
This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a
locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2
through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is
really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box.
So
no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of
NAT.
We
have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds
at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is
useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services
but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I
can’t keep doing it this way.
Brandon
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
JeremySent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AMTo: af@afmug.comSubject:
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be
able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof afmug@kwisp.com
wrote:
The availability
of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used
to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a
450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted
to routed, often without a truck roll.
One question is
how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in
CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT
Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
I think he means end, as a reference to the annoying thing on top of
his neck.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 1:20 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Do you mean “end” as in the slightly annoying term used for an RJ45 plug?
Or as in a new radio/antenna?
*From:* Glen Waldrop mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 2:27 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
I like your way of thinking.
- Original Message -
*From:* Jerry Richardson mailto:je...@richardson.bz
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 2:25 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
$100 service call
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 12:20 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Short rant
Customer: Hey, our Internet is slow, mind taking a look at it?
Me: Sure, no problem.
*customer's husband immediately goes outside and takes the unit
off the pole*
Customer: He's moving it because it has bad reception.
Customer: He said it needs a new end because this one broke.
Wonder how it broke...
grrr...
Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
I usually charge $25 for a service call as long as it isn't my fault. If they damaged the equipment, they pay for that. I may bump up my service call prices. Some of these people are a pain in the neck. - Original Message - From: CBB - Jay Fuller To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant most of our customers don't have $100 to blow ? we think $80 for such cases tho... - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant I like your way of thinking. - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant $100 service call From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Short rant Customer: Hey, our Internet is slow, mind taking a look at it? Me: Sure, no problem. *customer's husband immediately goes outside and takes the unit off the pole* Customer: He's moving it because it has bad reception. Customer: He said it needs a new end because this one broke. Wonder how it broke... grrr...
Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit
OTARD would only apply to their balcony, not the roof. Well, assuming by apartment he doesn't mean duplex or town home which have exclusive use areas that would cover the roof. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 2:34:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit OTARD. You win legally. But I wouldn't start a fight/war. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: I don't know if anyone has ever had this issue before, but has anyone ever had an apartment complex where they wouldn't let you install a radio on the roof? The next option is to put it on the balcony, but then I have no LOS. I thought put one radio in a hidden spot, but they won't let me run any cables to each apartment. However, they already have coax to each apartment. Anyone know what I could buy to get my ubiquiti radio signal covered to coax to bring them the Internet? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit
I've looked at doing a product like this more for extended distance runs (i.e. run thousand(s?) of feet of RG6) but didn't find a good solution I liked for the distance/speed tradeoff. I'm assuming you're talking about effectively doing poe over coax? I.E. something like the products at: http://www.axis.com/products/cam_acc/media_converters/cam_t8640/range.htm -forrest On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:52 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Chuck? Forrest ? Would be a indoor poe brick with poe in, a ac power cord (integrated power supply) and f connector out, then a waterproof pole mounted box with f connector coax in and cat5 out ? Any takers ? On Mar 9, 2015 12:47 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Someone needs to make a poe and ethernet over coax device On Mar 9, 2015 12:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: OTARD. You win legally. But I wouldn't start a fight/war. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: I don't know if anyone has ever had this issue before, but has anyone ever had an apartment complex where they wouldn't let you install a radio on the roof? The next option is to put it on the balcony, but then I have no LOS. I thought put one radio in a hidden spot, but they won't let me run any cables to each apartment. However, they already have coax to each apartment. Anyone know what I could buy to get my ubiquiti radio signal covered to coax to bring them the Internet? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Smart Meter Collection device
That's what the PGE smart meter hubs look like.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 1:42 PM, Wireless Admin wrote:
Could it be a Smart Meter Collection device. Don�t know what else
�.. Steve B
Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
most of our customers don't have $100 to blow ? we think $80 for such cases tho... - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant I like your way of thinking. - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant $100 service call From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Short rant Customer: Hey, our Internet is slow, mind taking a look at it? Me: Sure, no problem. *customer's husband immediately goes outside and takes the unit off the pole* Customer: He's moving it because it has bad reception. Customer: He said it needs a new end because this one broke. Wonder how it broke... grrr...
Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
yah, seeing that rain forecast up here too. i'm feeling myself get more bitchy... lol - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant Pretty sure he's talking about the rj45. I asked specifically if it was the one outside or the one indoors. It is forecast to rain for the rest of the week constantly. I got this as an answer; Its inside now that y I unplugged it I just broght it in Anybody got a Whatever to English dictionary? The radio is online again, so apparently he put it back on the pole. - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant Do you mean “end” as in the slightly annoying term used for an RJ45 plug? Or as in a new radio/antenna? From: Glen Waldrop Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 2:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant I like your way of thinking. - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant $100 service call From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Short rant Customer: Hey, our Internet is slow, mind taking a look at it? Me: Sure, no problem. *customer's husband immediately goes outside and takes the unit off the pole* Customer: He's moving it because it has bad reception. Customer: He said it needs a new end because this one broke. Wonder how it broke... grrr...
