Re: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over existing rg-6 cable

[Rory Conaway]

We didn’t do the project but I’ll have to search for what product we were going 
to use.  I’ll see what I can find out.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 8:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over 
existing rg-6 cable

Rory,

What did you end up using for this project? I have a similar but smaller scale 
project I'm considering.

Also, did you find any potential cable regulatory issues when providing the 
last 300 ft with coax?

-Chris

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
Thanks Chuck.  The building has 300 units so I was looking for something like 
this to consolidate on one side.

https://www.amazon.com/LRP-1622CS-16-port-2-port-Coaxial-Managed/dp/B01FYJ214Y/ref=sr_1_7?s=electronics=UTF8=1487779542=1-7=ethernet+over+coax+switch

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over 
existing rg-6 cable

MOCA adapters and then any switch you want.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over 
existing rg-6 cable

I’m looking for similar like a centralized coax switch to do an apartment 
instead of recabling.


Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“The successful man is the one who finds out what is the matter with his 
business before his competitors do.” - Roy L. Smith

Re: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet over existing rg-6 cable

[Christopher Gray]

Rory,

What did you end up using for this project? I have a similar but smaller
scale project I'm considering.

Also, did you find any potential cable regulatory issues when providing the
last 300 ft with coax?

-Chris

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Thanks Chuck.  The building has 300 units so I was looking for something
> like this to consolidate on one side.
>
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/LRP-1622CS-16-port-2-port-Coaxial-
> Managed/dp/B01FYJ214Y/ref=sr_1_7?s=electronics=UTF8=
> 1487779542=1-7=ethernet+over+coax+switch
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:09 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do
> internet over existing rg-6 cable
>
>
>
> MOCA adapters and then any switch you want.
>
>
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:05 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] does anyone make a system that lets you do internet
> over existing rg-6 cable
>
>
>
> I’m looking for similar like a centralized coax switch to do an apartment
> instead of recabling.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “The successful man is the one who finds out what is the matter with his
> business before his competitors do.” - Roy L. Smith
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] battery powered wireless test unit

[David Coudron]

We are using the same.  Works very well as it has the access point built in and 
you can connect from your phone.   They also have 48V upconvertor if you are 
not using 24V.

Thanks,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc. [cid:image001.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0] 
   
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[cid:image003.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0]    
[cid:image004.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0] 
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |  
www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  
Local: 612-454-1545

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 9:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] battery powered wireless test unit

This:

http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=2251=

-Sean


On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 5:11 PM Keith Fletcher 
> wrote:
What are you guys using for battery powered wireless testing units?

Re: [AFMUG] battery powered wireless test unit

[Sean Heskett]

This:

http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=2251=

-Sean


On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 5:11 PM Keith Fletcher <
anotherwirelessl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> What are you guys using for battery powered wireless testing units?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450x 15.1 Code

[George Skorup]

R15.1 now allows you to have split RADIUS servers for GUI/telnet login 
auth and SM registration auth. Probably some artifact of that.


On 5/11/2017 4:43 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

Mark,

What does local/remote login flipped by default mean?

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:


I am still running 15.1 (BETA 8) on an AP in 40mhz mode using DFS
channels on a 450i AP. Have 26 customers on it and not a single
complaint. Really like the increased capacity of the 40mhz channel
width!

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Mark Radabaugh > wrote:

We have 2 customers on it.   Local/Remote login flipped by
default.  Otherwise no issues so far.   Previous versions of
15x had issues with high priority channel not working
properly.  Have not evaluated to see if HP is working
correctly yet.

Mark


On May 11, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Brandon Shiers
> wrote:

Anybody running this code out there in the wild?  Is anybody
noticing any issues outside of what’s listed in release
notes?  Would really like to have this code deployed to get
30MHz channels on our gear in the DFS freqs.
Thanks,

*Brandon Shiers, RF Engineer In Training*

937 West Main Street
Riverton, WY 82501

307.857.6704  (o)
307.840.2366  (c)
307.856.1499  (f)
brandon.shi...@cerento.com 
http://www.cerento.com/emailsignatures/logo.jpg

Re: [AFMUG] NAT and CDN Services

[Josh Reynolds]

I wouldn't do more than 512. I have seen issues both in performance and
google-captcha-wall with around 1000, give or take a few hundred.


- Josh

On May 11, 2017 7:05 PM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

I'm getting ready to work on a temporary event with lots of People. Is
there a rule-of-thumb for number of NAT Devices behind a public address?
I've heard of issues with getting blacklisted by Google and the likes
thinking that there is an attack happening because of the amount of
requests from a single IP.  Can I put 1000 devices behind a single WAN
Address?  Just trying to avoid the crisis if someone can't check their
GMail or watch Netflix.

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The way I read this,  an outdoor ONT is exempt. ..  an indoor one would not
be?

On May 11, 2017 4:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

>
>
> NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE
>
> 90.2 Scope.
> (A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and removal of electrical
> conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and communications
> conductors, equipment, and raceways; and optical fiber cables and raceways
> for the following:
> (1) Public and private premises, including buildings, structures, mobile
> homes, recreational vehicles, and floating buildings
> (2) Yards, lots, parking lots, carnivals, and industrial substations
> (3) Installations of conductors and equipment that connect to the supply
> of electricity
> (4) Installations used by the electric utility, such as office buildings,
> warehouses, garages, machine shops, and recreational buildings, that are
> not an integral part of a generating plant, substation, or control center
> *(B) Not Covered. This Code does not cover the following:*
> (1) Installations in ships, watercraft other than floating buildings,
> railway rolling stock, aircraft, or automotive vehicles other than mobile
> homes and recreational vehicles
> Informational Note: Although the scope of this Code indicates that the
> Code does not cover installations in ships, portions of this Code are
> incorporated by reference into Title 46, Code of
> Federal Regulations, Parts 110–113.
> (2) Installations underground in mines and self-propelled mobile surface
> mining machinery and its attendant electrical trailing cable
> (3) Installations of railways for generation, transformation,
> transmission, energy storage, or distribution of power used exclusively for
> operation of rolling stock or installations used exclusively for signaling
> and communications purposes
> *(4) Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive control
> of communications utilities located outdoors or in building spaces used
> exclusively for such installations*
> (5) Installations under the exclusive control of an electric utility where
> such installations
> a. Consist of service drops or service laterals, and associated metering,
> or
> b. Are on property owned or leased by the electric utility for the purpose
> of communications, metering, generation, control, transformation,
> transmission, energy storage, or distribution of electric energy, or
> c. Are located in legally established easements or rights-of-way, or
> d. Are located by other written agreements either designated by or
> recognized by public service commissions, utility commissions, or other
> regulatory agencies having jurisdiction for such installations. These
> written agreements shall be limited to installations for the purpose of
> communications, metering, generation, control, transformation,
> transmission, energy storage, or distribution of electric energy where
> legally established easements or rights-of-way cannot be obtained. These
> installations shall be limited to federal lands, Native American
> reservations through the U.S. Department of the Interior Bureau of Indian
> Affairs, military bases, lands controlled by port authorities and state
> agencies and departments, and lands owned by railroads.
> *Informational Note to (4) and (5): Examples of utilities may include
> those entities that are typically designated or recognized by governmental
> law or regulation by public service/utility commissions and that install,
> operate, and maintain electric supply (such as generation, transmission, or
> distribution systems) or communications systems (such as telephone, CATV,*
> *Internet, satellite, or data services). Utilities may be subject to
> compliance with codes and standards covering their regulated activities as
> adopted under governmental law or regulation.*
> Additional information can be found through consultation with the
> appropriate governmental bodies, such as state regulatory commissions, the
> Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, and the Federal Communications
> Commission.
> (C) Special Permission. The authority having jurisdiction for enforcing
> this Code may grant exception for the installation of conductors and
> equipment that are not under the exclusive control of the electric
> utilities and are used to connect the electric utility supply system to the
> service conductors of the premises served, provided such installations are
> outside a building or structure, or terminate inside at a readily
> accessible location nearest the point of entrance of the service conductors.
>
>

[AFMUG] NAT and CDN Services

[Nate Burke]

I'm getting ready to work on a temporary event with lots of People. Is 
there a rule-of-thumb for number of NAT Devices behind a public 
address?  I've heard of issues with getting blacklisted by Google and 
the likes thinking that there is an attack happening because of the 
amount of requests from a single IP.  Can I put 1000 devices behind a 
single WAN Address?  Just trying to avoid the crisis if someone can't 
check their GMail or watch Netflix.

Re: [AFMUG] battery powered wireless test unit

[Jay Weekley]

Currently Air Gateway and 18 volt Dewalt Drill battery.

Keith Fletcher wrote:

What are you guys using for battery powered wireless testing units?

 
	Virus-free. www.avg.com 
 



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Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Paul McCall]

These are all very valuable suggestions.  We definitely want to put more of 
these in place.  Even though we are not flush with extra cash, I need to start 
looking at it as the price of being in business

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

We do a lot of the things that have been mentioned later in the thread.

Health Insurance, we pay 90%, employees pay 10% and they have a HSA plan that 
they can put pretax money into for discretionary and dedutable expenses 
($2600/$5200).  This is much better than most plans at other companies.   
Health insurance varies by state but you might want to try finding a ‘MEWA’ 
based plan - Multiple Employer Welfare Association I believe is what it stands 
for.  It’s a dept. of Labor arrangement originally for unions offering 
insurance but it dodges all of the ACA and can be considerably less expensive.  
In Ohio Anthem/Blue Cross offers them through the Chamber of Commerce.   
Dropped our costs about 20% this year for basically the same coverage.   
Include Dental/Vision/Prescription.

Short and Long term disability insurance (separate from workers comp - they are 
different).   It’s pretty inexpensive but a big help for an employee that has a 
issue that keeps them from working. Provides enough money that they can live 
and reimburse you for the health insurance so they don’t lose that.   Your not 
stuck as employer having to either pay for the health insurance for an employee 
that’s not working, or be the ass that fires the guy that’s sick and he loses 
his health insurance.

For retirement look at SIMPLE-IRA’s - they are less expensive than 401k’s to 
administer, can match 3% of wages, and the money is not something you are 
responsible for the liability of.  The funds go to the plan administrator (like 
Edward Jones) and you don’t have any real liability for the shitty investments 
the employees choose.

Other little things - cell phones for the outside guys with an allowance for 
personal use (which we never track), uniforms, steel toe/shank boots for 
installers every 18 months, winter and rain gear, free Internet (if they are on 
our system), pop/water and food on occasion, cookouts every couple of month - 
usually let everyone off at 3:30 or so and have food/beer around.



Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
419-837-5015 x1021
419-261-5996 (cell)
m...@amplex.net

On May 11, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:

OK,

Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need to start 
addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some good “guys” and don’t 
want to lose them because of not taking good care of them.  Most of them are 
relatively young and health insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to 
have if I can find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other 
considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.

So, my points of concern are:

Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % 
of coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are typically 
offered?
401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the 
company would match?, other create elements ?
Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not 
one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as a benefit
(one employee who climbs occasionally) used to 
work for a tower company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one – 
interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.

Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful

Paul


Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

[AFMUG] battery powered wireless test unit

[Keith Fletcher]

What are you guys using for battery powered wireless testing units?

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

[Bruce Robertson]

Sounds like good news.

On 5/11/17 3:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE
90.2 Scope.
(A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and removal of 
electrical conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and 
communications conductors, equipment, and raceways; and optical fiber 
cables and raceways for the following:
(1) Public and private premises, including buildings, structures, 
mobile homes, recreational vehicles, and floating buildings

(2) Yards, lots, parking lots, carnivals, and industrial substations
(3) Installations of conductors and equipment that connect to the 
supply of electricity
(4) Installations used by the electric utility, such as office 
buildings, warehouses, garages, machine shops, and recreational 
buildings, that are not an integral part of a generating plant, 
substation, or control center

*(B) Not Covered. This Code does not cover the following:*
(1) Installations in ships, watercraft other than floating buildings, 
railway rolling stock, aircraft, or automotive vehicles other than 
mobile homes and recreational vehicles
Informational Note: Although the scope of this Code indicates that the 
Code does not cover installations in ships, portions of this Code are 
incorporated by reference into Title 46, Code of

Federal Regulations, Parts 110�113.
(2) Installations underground in mines and self-propelled mobile 
surface mining machinery and its attendant electrical trailing cable
(3) Installations of railways for generation, transformation, 
transmission, energy storage, or distribution of power used 
exclusively for operation of rolling stock or installations used 
exclusively for signaling and communications purposes
*(4) Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive 
control of communications utilities located outdoors or in building 
spaces used exclusively for such installations*
(5) Installations under the exclusive control of an electric utility 
where such installations
a. Consist of service drops or service laterals, and associated 
metering, or
b. Are on property owned or leased by the electric utility for the 
purpose of communications, metering, generation, control, 
transformation, transmission, energy storage, or distribution of 
electric energy, or

c. Are located in legally established easements or rights-of-way, or
d. Are located by other written agreements either designated by or 
recognized by public service commissions, utility commissions, or 
other regulatory agencies having jurisdiction for such installations. 
These written agreements shall be limited to installations for the 
purpose of communications, metering, generation, control, 
transformation, transmission, energy storage, or distribution of 
electric energy where legally established easements or rights-of-way 
cannot be obtained. These installations shall be limited to federal 
lands, Native American reservations through the U.S. Department of the 
Interior Bureau of Indian Affairs, military bases, lands controlled by 
port authorities and state agencies and departments, and lands owned 
by railroads.
*Informational Note to (4) and (5): Examples of utilities may include 
those entities that are typically designated or recognized by 
governmental law or regulation by public service/utility commissions 
and that install, operate, and maintain electric supply (such as 
generation, transmission, or distribution systems) or communications 
systems (such as telephone, CATV,*
*_Internet, satellite, or data services_). Utilities may be subject to 
compliance with codes and standards covering their regulated 
activities as adopted under governmental law or regulation.*
Additional information can be found through consultation with the 
appropriate governmental bodies, such as state regulatory commissions, 
the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, and the Federal 
Communications Commission.
(C) Special Permission. The authority having jurisdiction for 
enforcing this Code may grant exception for the installation of 
conductors and equipment that are not under the exclusive control of 
the electric utilities and are used to connect the electric utility 
supply system to the service conductors of the premises served, 
provided such installations are outside a building or structure, or 
terminate inside at a readily accessible location nearest the point of 
entrance of the service conductors.

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

[Chuck McCown]

NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE

90.2 Scope. 
(A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and removal of electrical 
conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and communications conductors, 
equipment, and raceways; and optical fiber cables and raceways for the 
following:
(1) Public and private premises, including buildings, structures, mobile homes, 
recreational vehicles, and floating buildings
(2) Yards, lots, parking lots, carnivals, and industrial substations
(3) Installations of conductors and equipment that connect to the supply of 
electricity
(4) Installations used by the electric utility, such as office buildings, 
warehouses, garages, machine shops, and recreational buildings, that are not an 
integral part of a generating plant, substation, or control center
(B) Not Covered. This Code does not cover the following:
(1) Installations in ships, watercraft other than floating buildings, railway 
rolling stock, aircraft, or automotive vehicles other than mobile homes and 
recreational vehicles
Informational Note: Although the scope of this Code indicates that the Code 
does not cover installations in ships, portions of this Code are incorporated 
by reference into Title 46, Code of
Federal Regulations, Parts 110–113.
(2) Installations underground in mines and self-propelled mobile surface mining 
machinery and its attendant electrical trailing cable
(3) Installations of railways for generation, transformation, transmission, 
energy storage, or distribution of power used exclusively for operation of 
rolling stock or installations used exclusively for signaling and 
communications purposes
(4) Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive control of 
communications utilities located outdoors or in building spaces used 
exclusively for such installations
(5) Installations under the exclusive control of an electric utility where such 
installations
a. Consist of service drops or service laterals, and associated metering, or
b. Are on property owned or leased by the electric utility for the purpose of 
communications, metering, generation, control, transformation, transmission, 
energy storage, or distribution of electric energy, or
c. Are located in legally established easements or rights-of-way, or
d. Are located by other written agreements either designated by or recognized 
by public service commissions, utility commissions, or other regulatory 
agencies having jurisdiction for such installations. These written agreements 
shall be limited to installations for the purpose of communications, metering, 
generation, control, transformation, transmission, energy storage, or 
distribution of electric energy where legally established easements or 
rights-of-way cannot be obtained. These installations shall be limited to 
federal lands, Native American reservations through the U.S. Department of the 
Interior Bureau of Indian Affairs, military bases, lands controlled by port 
authorities and state agencies and departments, and lands owned by railroads.
Informational Note to (4) and (5): Examples of utilities may include those 
entities that are typically designated or recognized by governmental law or 
regulation by public service/utility commissions and that install, operate, and 
maintain electric supply (such as generation, transmission, or distribution 
systems) or communications systems (such as telephone, CATV,
Internet, satellite, or data services). Utilities may be subject to compliance 
with codes and standards covering their regulated activities as adopted under 
governmental law or regulation.
Additional information can be found through consultation with the appropriate 
governmental bodies, such as state regulatory commissions, the Federal Energy 
Regulatory Commission, and the Federal Communications Commission.
(C) Special Permission. The authority having jurisdiction for enforcing this 
Code may grant exception for the installation of conductors and equipment that 
are not under the exclusive control of the electric utilities and are used to 
connect the electric utility supply system to the service conductors of the 
premises served, provided such installations are outside a building or 
structure, or terminate inside at a readily accessible location nearest the 
point of entrance of the service conductors.

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

[Seth Mattinen]

On 5/11/17 6:41 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

This could cause problems if true:
http://talkingpointz.com/the-2017-national-electrical-code-is-onerous/

Seems to me, the fire code rules and we are exempt, but I cannot find a
citation to that.




http://www.cablinginstall.com/articles/print/volume-24/issue-10/features/nec/data-comm-cables-and-the-2017-national-electrical-code.html

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

[Seth Mattinen]

On 5/11/17 1:59 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

This is going to make fiber a lot more attractive in many situations.



Fiber falls under article 770, except when specifically referred to 
Article 300.

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

[Chuck McCown]

The devices on the end of the fiber needs power so that is not fixing this 
potential issue.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 3:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

It's non-conductive. My guess that you could run fiber as long as it doesn't 
contain anything conductive.



bp


On 5/11/2017 2:53 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:

  fiber still needs power???




  On 05/11/2017 03:59 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

This is going to make fiber a lot more attractive in many situations.

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  This could cause problems if true:
  http://talkingpointz.com/the-2017-national-electrical-code-is-onerous/

  Seems to me, the fire code rules and we are exempt, but I cannot find a 
citation to that.  



-- 
Mitch Koep

A Better Wireless
218-851-8689 cell

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

[Bill Prince]

It's non-conductive. My guess that you could run fiber as long as it 
doesn't contain anything conductive.



bp


On 5/11/2017 2:53 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:


fiber still needs power???


On 05/11/2017 03:59 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

This is going to make fiber a lot more attractive in many situations.

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


This could cause problems if true:
http://talkingpointz.com/the-2017-national-electrical-code-is-onerous/

Seems to me, the fire code rules and we are exempt, but I cannot
find a citation to that.




--
Mitch Koep

A Better Wireless
218-851-8689 cell

[AFMUG] CradlePoint LTE Router

[Jaime Solorza]

What are you guys paying for public IP and monthly service ?
Need to set one up as back up and to reboot IP swtich
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450x 15.1 Code

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Mark,

What does local/remote login flipped by default mean?

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> I am still running 15.1 (BETA 8) on an AP in 40mhz mode using DFS channels
> on a 450i AP. Have 26 customers on it and not a single complaint. Really
> like the increased capacity of the 40mhz channel width!
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> We have 2 customers on it.   Local/Remote login flipped by default.
>> Otherwise no issues so far.   Previous versions of 15x had issues with high
>> priority channel not working properly.  Have not evaluated to see if HP is
>> working correctly yet.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On May 11, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Brandon Shiers 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Anybody running this code out there in the wild?  Is anybody noticing any
>> issues outside of what’s listed in release notes?  Would really like to
>> have this code deployed to get 30MHz channels on our gear in the DFS freqs.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> *Brandon Shiers, RF Engineer In Training*
>>
>> 937 West Main Street
>> Riverton, WY 82501
>>
>> 307.857.6704 <(307)%20857-6704> (o)
>> 307.840.2366 <(307)%20840-2366> (c)
>> 307.856.1499 <(307)%20856-1499> (f)
>> brandon.shi...@cerento.com 
>> [image: http://www.cerento.com/emailsignatures/logo.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

[Chuck McCown]

Some states have a LV electrician license.  
That may be coming to your state.  

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 3:26 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn 




On 5/11/17 11:33 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

so if we hire a retired electrician to sit and eat sandwiches can we get
apprenticeship status for our guys?



That might be what ends up happening.

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

[Seth Mattinen]

On 5/11/17 11:33 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

so if we hire a retired electrician to sit and eat sandwiches can we get
apprenticeship status for our guys?



That might be what ends up happening.

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

[Jason McKemie]

This is going to make fiber a lot more attractive in many situations.

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> This could cause problems if true:
> http://talkingpointz.com/the-2017-national-electrical-code-is-onerous/
>
> Seems to me, the fire code rules and we are exempt, but I cannot find a
> citation to that.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Mark Radabaugh]

We do a lot of the things that have been mentioned later in the thread.

Health Insurance, we pay 90%, employees pay 10% and they have a HSA plan that 
they can put pretax money into for discretionary and dedutable expenses 
($2600/$5200).  This is much better than most plans at other companies.   
Health insurance varies by state but you might want to try finding a ‘MEWA’ 
based plan - Multiple Employer Welfare Association I believe is what it stands 
for.  It’s a dept. of Labor arrangement originally for unions offering 
insurance but it dodges all of the ACA and can be considerably less expensive.  
In Ohio Anthem/Blue Cross offers them through the Chamber of Commerce.   
Dropped our costs about 20% this year for basically the same coverage.   
Include Dental/Vision/Prescription.

Short and Long term disability insurance (separate from workers comp - they are 
different).   It’s pretty inexpensive but a big help for an employee that has a 
issue that keeps them from working. Provides enough money that they can live 
and reimburse you for the health insurance so they don’t lose that.   Your not 
stuck as employer having to either pay for the health insurance for an employee 
that’s not working, or be the ass that fires the guy that’s sick and he loses 
his health insurance.

For retirement look at SIMPLE-IRA’s - they are less expensive than 401k’s to 
administer, can match 3% of wages, and the money is not something you are 
responsible for the liability of.  The funds go to the plan administrator (like 
Edward Jones) and you don’t have any real liability for the shitty investments 
the employees choose.

Other little things - cell phones for the outside guys with an allowance for 
personal use (which we never track), uniforms, steel toe/shank boots for 
installers every 18 months, winter and rain gear, free Internet (if they are on 
our system), pop/water and food on occasion, cookouts every couple of month - 
usually let everyone off at 3:30 or so and have food/beer around.



Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
419-837-5015 x1021
419-261-5996 (cell)
m...@amplex.net

> On May 11, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
> 
> OK, 
>  
> Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need to start 
> addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some good “guys” and 
> don’t want to lose them because of not taking good care of them.  Most of 
> them are relatively young and health insurance hasn’t been needed, but its 
> still nice to have if I can find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many 
> other considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.
>  
> So, my points of concern are:
>  
> Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % 
> of coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are typically 
> offered?
> 401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the 
> company would match?, other create elements ?
> Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are 
> not one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as a 
> benefit
> (one employee who climbs occasionally) used 
> to work for a tower company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
> Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one – 
> interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.
>  
> Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful
>  
> Paul
>  
>  
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800  
> pa...@pdmnet.net 
> www.pdmnet.com 
> www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor II: Independence of PWR1 & PWR2

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

That is correct,

And, if this is the behavior, please send a ticket into
cust...@packetflux.com with the serial number and your address and we'll
arrange an exchange.  I'd like to see what is causing this.

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> To be 100% clear
>
> The negative sides (-) are common
>
> The positive sides (+) are independent.
>
> So we should be able to put different (+) voltages on PWR1 and PWR2, and
> we should not expect them to back feed each other.
>
> The behavior we were seeing was voltage from PWR2 was back-feeding through
> PWR1 and providing power to equipment that was on PWR1, even though the
> breaker to PWR1 was turned off.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/10/2017 4:27 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> On the base unit, the - side of both DC inputs are tied together.  It is
> designed that way, since it was designed to be powered from two positive
> sources.
>
> If you are connecting two -48VDC busses to the base unit by connecting
> 'common or return' to the + input on each, and the -48VDC bus to the -
> input on each, the base unit will internally connect both of those buses.
> As I described, this is by design because the unit was designed for +
> voltages, not negative ones.
>
> The next iteration of the base unit will handle this much more gracefully.
>   I am not yet sure about whether the device will simply just support
> either +48VDC or -48VDC, or if you'll have to select it in some way (at
> ordering, with a jumper, etc)
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2017 7:34 AM, "Sorin Esanu"  wrote:
>
>> Yes, neg48 plant.
>>  I’ll send the requested info.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>> On 10 May 2017, at 16:32, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>> If we're still selling the same version of a product,  we warranty it.
>> We regularly replace things which are far older.  I like to see the in
>> field failures so I can roll the lessons learned into the next generation
>> of products.
>>
>> Just send an email info cust...@packetflux.com with the serial (mac
>> address) and your address we'll send a ups label to ship it back to us.
>> Please include a note as to what is wrong so I can remember when I look at
>> it.
>>
>> Oh,  one thing I just noticed. ..  is this a positive ground plant by
>> chance?  (I.E. -48)
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2017 7:16 AM, "Sorin Esanu"  wrote:
>>
>> We’re monitoring A and B of our DC power plant. It is wired directly into
>> the GMT fuses panel, A and B sides.
>> This particular unit was installed over 1 year ago, close to 2 years. If
>> your offer is still valid, let me know the procedure.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On 10 May 2017, at 10:32, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>> Can you let me know more about your setup?
>>
>> Is this the unit you bought in November?  (In case this is something
>> which has gone weird with a batch, and somehow not caught by our test
>> procedures).
>>
>> If you've got a defective one, we'll swap it, paying shipping both ways.
>>
>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Sorin Esanu  wrote:
>>
>>> We’ve experienced this exact same behaviour last week. It seems like
>>> PWR1 and PWR2 are acting like one now.
>>> We are in process of replacing all the SiteMonitor II devices with Tycon
>>> TPDIN-Monitor-WEB2, which can monitor more things and it’s a lot smarter.
>>>
>>>
>>> > On 10 May 2017, at 01:31, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I think I have a SiteMonitor II with a problem, as I always thought
>>> that the two power sensors (PWR1 and PWR2) were independent of each other,
>>> and should have a pretty high impedance between then.
>>> >
>>> > We set  up a new solar site, and put our load on PWR1 and the
>>> batteries on PWR2. As soon as we hook up either one of the sense wires, the
>>> breaker to the batteries (30 amp) pops, and all the lights go out.
>>> >
>>> > We can monitor one voltage on PWR1, or the same or different voltage
>>> on PWR2. However, if both are connected we blow the 30 amp breaker to the
>>> batteries.
>>> >
>>> > We've checked the polarity (both voltages are negative ground), and
>>> they are both "about" the same voltage (although we have monitored
>>> radically different voltage in the past (like 12V on one and 48V on the
>>> other). This is a 48VDC system, so we are seeing ~~ 56V on both right now,
>>> >
>>> > BTW, when we hook up just one of the sensors and leave the other open,
>>> we see ~~ 43 volts between PWR1 and PWR2. I haven't checked other
>>> SiteMonitors, but this doesn't seem right to me.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > --
>>> > bp
>>> > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

[Chuck McCown]

With a Leatherman Tool, all things are possible.

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

Chuck...that's just gross.

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:28 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I personally delivered 5 of my 8 kids at home.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 9:09 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
  Im pretty sure its the mail man again, shes a pretty shady letter carrier :-) 

  Ive grown up in an ems family, two paramedics, two emt  B and i was an emt I, 
two were also firefighters.

  Twice now the douchenozzle OB refused to let my paramedic sister deliver for 
CE, note we are (were at the time)literally the most advanced ems system in the 
US. And this hospital was the primary training facility. We figure we will tell 
the OB doc we have this, we only need her for her bloodwork and ultrasound, if 
they wont give my sis the legally required joy, we will get a dulla or however 
you spell it and pop the kid in the living room, mother nature trumps modern 
science in this regard.


  There have to be a few of you who popped yer youngins outside a hospital. 
Especially the guys who are joe smith fans. 3 times out i think we are the ones 
in charge.
  On May 9, 2017 3:59 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

I hope you know the source of the infection...if not...awkward... Conrats!

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:41 PM Darren Shea  wrote:

  Even after seeing the stick, it didn’t quite register until I re-read 
everything you’d typed in this thread - clever! Congratulations!



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 10:56 AM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance




  Hers the initial diagnostic output



  On May 9, 2017 9:52 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

  There is only one infected device. The malicious code that is replicating 
is directly attached to the command and control node. I know a lot of people 
would simply CleanSweep, but we just don't feel that is an appropriate step. 
There may be an IOT baby monitor that gets swept up in all this before its over 
in December. 

  On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:34 AM, David Milholen  
wrote:

  As any virus running on a network it has a pattern weather it be dormant 
on the network at times or not. 

  Identify the pattern and where it is trying to phone home to and isolate 
it from phoning home. Then Clean sweep the machines you have control of.

  The worst part of any of this is that IOT devices IE(ip cameras,dvrs, 
tempature monitors and others) are the real threat as they have weak basic code 
that is open to the network.

  Isolation will be your best bet. This will prevent DDOS attacks on one 
front but doesnt stop new viruses from entering.





  On 5/8/2017 10:34 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

an addendum to this, there are two primay variants to the payload. One 
tends to be much more aggressive, a much more roughly defined code, not all 
that pretty, but ultimately very versatile and robust. The other is normally 
more elegant in design, but it tends to be visciously malicious, this is the 
one to be most concerned of. Its underlying code has started wars and destroyed 
nations



On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Steve Jones  
wrote:

  So this weekend I discovered a Trojan virus on my network. Sometime 
around January we had opted to remove an old firewall that had met its product 
life cycles end. We were still in the process of deciding whether to continue 
with temporary firewalls or look toward more robust input/output chain policies 
for a hardened, more permanent solution. In the mean time, of course, we 
continued to do the upload/download thing. We had some suspicion that there was 
something going on, we noted alot of broadcast storms, particularly in the 
mornings. The network had become particularly sluggish and there seemed to be 
alot of application bloat, initially i just attributed this to poor code 
maintenance resulting in a memory leak.

  We did a basic Netstat this weekend and discovered a traffic anomaly. 
So we went to a professional and had them run a packet sniffer. We had 
verification of foreign code, likely for as long as 6-8 weeks.

  It will be layer 3 in this case but its too early to tell whether 
this codes payload will be TCP or UDP, we will be monitoring as the code 
replicates. This is a pretty common virus, as a matter of fact we have all had 
it at one point, probably so long ago we dont even remember. We anticipate The 
fully formed packet chain to leave NAT mode and be fully routed out to the WAN 
in December.





  -- 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

[Lewis Bergman]

Chuck...that's just gross.

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:28 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I personally delivered 5 of my 8 kids at home.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 9:09 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
> Im pretty sure its the mail man again, shes a pretty shady letter carrier
> :-)
>
> Ive grown up in an ems family, two paramedics, two emt  B and i was an emt
> I, two were also firefighters.
>
> Twice now the douchenozzle OB refused to let my paramedic sister deliver
> for CE, note we are (were at the time)literally the most advanced ems
> system in the US. And this hospital was the primary training facility. We
> figure we will tell the OB doc we have this, we only need her for her
> bloodwork and ultrasound, if they wont give my sis the legally required
> joy, we will get a dulla or however you spell it and pop the kid in the
> living room, mother nature trumps modern science in this regard.
>
>
> There have to be a few of you who popped yer youngins outside a hospital.
> Especially the guys who are joe smith fans. 3 times out i think we are the
> ones in charge.
> On May 9, 2017 3:59 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> I hope you know the source of the infection...if not...awkward... Conrats!
>>
>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:41 PM Darren Shea  wrote:
>>
>>> Even after seeing the stick, it didn’t quite register until I re-read
>>> everything you’d typed in this thread - clever! Congratulations!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 09, 2017 10:56 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hers the initial diagnostic output
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 9, 2017 9:52 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>>
>>> There is only one infected device. The malicious code that is
>>> replicating is directly attached to the command and control node. I know a
>>> lot of people would simply CleanSweep, but we just don't feel that is an
>>> appropriate step. There may be an IOT baby monitor that gets swept up in
>>> all this before its over in December.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:34 AM, David Milholen 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> As any virus running on a network it has a pattern weather it be dormant
>>> on the network at times or not.
>>>
>>> Identify the pattern and where it is trying to phone home to and isolate
>>> it from phoning home. Then Clean sweep the machines you have control of.
>>>
>>> The worst part of any of this is that IOT devices IE(ip cameras,dvrs,
>>> tempature monitors and others) are the real threat as they have weak basic
>>> code that is open to the network.
>>>
>>> Isolation will be your best bet. This will prevent DDOS attacks on one
>>> front but doesnt stop new viruses from entering.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/8/2017 10:34 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> an addendum to this, there are two primay variants to the payload. One
>>> tends to be much more aggressive, a much more roughly defined code, not all
>>> that pretty, but ultimately very versatile and robust. The other is
>>> normally more elegant in design, but it tends to be visciously malicious,
>>> this is the one to be most concerned of. Its underlying code has started
>>> wars and destroyed nations
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So this weekend I discovered a Trojan virus on my network. Sometime
>>> around January we had opted to remove an old firewall that had met its
>>> product life cycles end. We were still in the process of deciding whether
>>> to continue with temporary firewalls or look toward more robust
>>> input/output chain policies for a hardened, more permanent solution. In the
>>> mean time, of course, we continued to do the upload/download thing. We had
>>> some suspicion that there was something going on, we noted alot of
>>> broadcast storms, particularly in the mornings. The network had become
>>> particularly sluggish and there seemed to be alot of application bloat,
>>> initially i just attributed this to poor code maintenance resulting in a
>>> memory leak.
>>>
>>> We did a basic Netstat this weekend and discovered a traffic anomaly. So
>>> we went to a professional and had them run a packet sniffer. We had
>>> verification of foreign code, likely for as long as 6-8 weeks.
>>>
>>> It will be layer 3 in this case but its too early to tell whether this
>>> codes payload will be TCP or UDP, we will be monitoring as the code
>>> replicates. This is a pretty common virus, as a matter of fact we have all
>>> had it at one point, probably so long ago we dont even remember. We
>>> anticipate The fully formed packet chain to leave NAT mode and be fully
>>> routed out to the WAN in December.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>

[AFMUG] Adhesive fiber splice holders

[Carl Peterson]

Anyone have a source for adhesive fiber splice holders?  preferably rubber
but I can deal with something else.

Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

[Lewis Bergman]

I didn't know you could do carrier grade anything with Mikrotik.

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:51 AM Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> You can do Carrier grade NAT with MT.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 6:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants
>
>
>
> Many if not most of us are in the same box.  I need a router that goes on
> the edge and does something similar to NAT64/ds lite etc.  Someone is going
> to make good money by developing “IPV6 in a box” appliance and then come
> and install deploy.
>
>
>
> Dennis, are you listening...
>
>
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:54 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants
>
>
>
> Nothing at the moment, still dual stack IPv4 and IPv6
>
>
>
> Also interested if someone has figured this out with a half decent
> solution as I need to purchase another /22 this year.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants
>
>
>
> I’m weighing the pros/cons of purchasing another block of IPv4 at auction
> or finding a NAT64 solution that will enable me to start handing IPv6
> addresses to customers and know they’ll be able to get to IPv4 internet
> without issue. Mikrotik doesn’t seem too concerned with implementing NAT64,
> so I’d be looking at adding complexity to my network if I go that
> direction. On the other hand, I don’t like spending thousands of dollars on
> antiquated address space if I can help it. I’d rather do my part in moving
> IP standards forward instead of staying stuck in the past.
>
>
>
> What’s working for you all?
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Lewis Bergman]

We have a training contact we use. Granted, the training I send my techs to
usually costs about $2000 without considering travel, per Diem, or salary.
I add all that up and divide it into a monthly earn back which is legal and
pretty standard in Texas. I usually do each one for 24 months if less than
$4000 and 36 months if over that amount.

You would be surprised how many people would gladly let me pay thousands
for training until they have to sign the contract. Then they start
waffling. It doesn't do much but let you know how is thinking of leaving.

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 2:04 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I train them.  If they leave to better themselves then that is a good
> thing.  I have toyed with the idea that if they leave within 12 months they
> owe me back a pro rata amount of the cost of training.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 12:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
>
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/cfo-what-happens-we-them-leave-ceo-dont-stay-canary-wharf
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> That's a really good benefit.
>>
>> But it's also a double-edged sword.
>>
>> I agree with that policy 1000 percent, but it can also quickly lead your
>> employees to other, better paying/benefit jobs because they have increased
>> their worth.
>>
>> So although I'm very for that, as a business owner I would advise against
>> it unless you are also prepared to increase their compensation and benefits
>> to retain them.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
>> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:58 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
>>
>> Ah yes, I forgot!
>> CompTIA A+ and Net+ reimbursement and bonuses upon completion are popular
>> around here, as well as other relevant training/courses like MTCNA, MTCRE,
>> etc.
>>
>> Chris Wright
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
>> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:56 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
>>
>> Tuition reimbursement for industry related personal development?
>>
>> Paul McCall wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described.  And, after 2 years, they
>> > get 2 weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
>> >
>> > I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid
>> > vacation.  I only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid
>> > holidays after 90 days, one week of paid vacation after one year of
>> > employment.
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > OK,
>> >
>> > Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need
>> > to start addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some
>> > good “guys” and don’t want to lose them because of not taking good
>> > care of them.  Most of them are relatively young and health
>> > insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to have if I can
>> > find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other
>> > considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.
>> >
>> > So, my points of concern are:
>> >
>> > Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % of
>> > coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are
>> > typically offered?
>> >
>> > 401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the
>> > company would match?, other create elements ?
>> >
>> > Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not
>> > one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as
>> > a benefit
>> >
>> > (one employee who climbs occasionally) used to work for a tower
>> > company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
>> >
>> > Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one –
>> > interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > Paul McCall, President
>> >
>> > PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>> >
>> > 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> >
>> > Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> >
>> > 772-564-6800 
>> >
>> > pa...@pdmnet.net 
>> >
>> > www.pdmnet.com 
>> >
>> > www.floridabroadband.com 
>> >
>> >
>> > <
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Steve Jones]

To offset training costs, if I ever have employees, I have always
considered an earned credit accumulation program. like 5 bucks per billable
hour generated, x dollars per 40 hours worked, etc. That way they have a
bank they can use to choose their own certification path within reason. Non
motivated employees wouldn't use it, so it wouldn't go to waste. Motivated
employees can drive their own direction and earn more credits by finding
reasonable ways to generate billable hours. This would be aside from basic
certs like Aplus network plus, those should just be provided.
If they leave under amicable circumstance they can use the remainder of
their credits to buyout some of the remaining pro-rated payback they would
owe.

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Damn, I was just about so send my resume over, not now though, if I cant
> watch xhampster at work I'm not going to work there
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> No fu*king way.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 1:45 PM
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
>>
>> Was the employee actually allowed to surf porn?
>>
>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> I had a new employee demand to be able to surf porn at work.  They were
>>> in the process of becoming a Caitlyn and said it was a therapeutic
>>> necessity...
>>>
>>> My business partner forced us to hire this person.  None of the techs
>>> wanted to do training.  Then there were personal hygiene and smell issues.
>>>
>>> I still have PTSD from that event.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Justin Wilson
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 1:16 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
>>>
>>> Things I have looked for in an employer.
>>>
>>> 1.Ongoing education opportunities.  Certifications especially.
>>> 2.Gear and gadgets.  I don’t have to have a new laptop every year, but a
>>> regular swap out cycle is important.  Same thing for phone and other
>>> gadgets.
>>> 3.Being a network admin I usually end up working late and weird hours.
>>> Comp time was always nice to have.  This doesn’t apply to most techs so
>>> that was something I negotiated as part of my package.
>>> 4.Some sort of retirement.  401k, profit sharing, something.
>>> 5.Being on top of making deductions changes, and stuff is an important
>>> “benefit”.  Making sure the w2s go out n time each year, etc.
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 11, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Jay Weekley 
 wrote:

 Tuition reimbursement for industry related personal development?

 Paul McCall wrote:

>
> Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described.  And, after 2 years, they
> get 2 weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.
>
> Paul
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
>
> I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid
> vacation. I only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid
> holidays after 90 days, one week of paid vacation after one year of
> employment.
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall  > wrote:
>
>OK,
>
>Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need
>to start addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some
>good “guys” and don’t want to lose them because of not taking good
>care of them.  Most of them are relatively young and health
>insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to have if I can
>find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other
>considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.
>
>So, my points of concern are:
>
>Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % of
>coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are
>typically offered?
>
>401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the
>company would match?, other create elements ?
>
>Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not
>one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as
>a benefit
>
>(one employee who climbs occasionally) used to work for a tower
>company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
>
>Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one –
>interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.
>
>Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful
>
>Paul
>
>Paul McCall, President
>
>PDMNet, 

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Steve Jones]

Damn, I was just about so send my resume over, not now though, if I cant
watch xhampster at work I'm not going to work there

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> No fu*king way.
>
> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 1:45 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
>
> Was the employee actually allowed to surf porn?
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> I had a new employee demand to be able to surf porn at work.  They were
>> in the process of becoming a Caitlyn and said it was a therapeutic
>> necessity...
>>
>> My business partner forced us to hire this person.  None of the techs
>> wanted to do training.  Then there were personal hygiene and smell issues.
>>
>> I still have PTSD from that event.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Justin Wilson
>> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 1:16 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
>>
>> Things I have looked for in an employer.
>>
>> 1.Ongoing education opportunities.  Certifications especially.
>> 2.Gear and gadgets.  I don’t have to have a new laptop every year, but a
>> regular swap out cycle is important.  Same thing for phone and other
>> gadgets.
>> 3.Being a network admin I usually end up working late and weird hours.
>> Comp time was always nice to have.  This doesn’t apply to most techs so
>> that was something I negotiated as part of my package.
>> 4.Some sort of retirement.  401k, profit sharing, something.
>> 5.Being on top of making deductions changes, and stuff is an important
>> “benefit”.  Making sure the w2s go out n time each year, etc.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 11, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Jay Weekley 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tuition reimbursement for industry related personal development?
>>>
>>> Paul McCall wrote:
>>>

 Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described.  And, after 2 years, they
 get 2 weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.

 Paul

 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
 *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

 I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid
 vacation. I only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid
 holidays after 90 days, one week of paid vacation after one year of
 employment.

 On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall >> pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:

OK,

Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need
to start addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some
good “guys” and don’t want to lose them because of not taking good
care of them.  Most of them are relatively young and health
insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to have if I can
find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other
considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.

So, my points of concern are:

Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % of
coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are
typically offered?

401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the
company would match?, other create elements ?

Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not
one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as
a benefit

(one employee who climbs occasionally) used to work for a tower
company that had a $ 50K policy for each person

Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one –
interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.

Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 


 
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Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Chuck McCown]

No fu*king way.

-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

Was the employee actually allowed to surf porn?

Chuck McCown wrote:
I had a new employee demand to be able to surf porn at work.  They were in 
the process of becoming a Caitlyn and said it was a therapeutic 
necessity...


My business partner forced us to hire this person.  None of the techs 
wanted to do training.  Then there were personal hygiene and smell issues.


I still have PTSD from that event.

-Original Message- From: Justin Wilson
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 1:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

Things I have looked for in an employer.

1.Ongoing education opportunities.  Certifications especially.
2.Gear and gadgets.  I don’t have to have a new laptop every year, but a 
regular swap out cycle is important.  Same thing for phone and other 
gadgets.
3.Being a network admin I usually end up working late and weird hours. 
Comp time was always nice to have.  This doesn’t apply to most techs so 
that was something I negotiated as part of my package.

4.Some sort of retirement.  401k, profit sharing, something.
5.Being on top of making deductions changes, and stuff is an important 
“benefit”.  Making sure the w2s go out n time each year, etc.


Justin




On May 11, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Jay Weekley  
wrote:


Tuition reimbursement for industry related personal development?

Paul McCall wrote:


Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described.  And, after 2 years, they 
get 2 weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.


Paul

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid vacation. 
I only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid holidays 
after 90 days, one week of paid vacation after one year of employment.


On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall > wrote:


   OK,

   Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need
   to start addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some
   good “guys” and don’t want to lose them because of not taking good
   care of them.  Most of them are relatively young and health
   insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to have if I can
   find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other
   considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.

   So, my points of concern are:

   Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % of
   coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are
   typically offered?

   401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the
   company would match?, other create elements ?

   Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not
   one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as
   a benefit

   (one employee who climbs occasionally) used to work for a tower
   company that had a $ 50K policy for each person

   Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one –
   interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.

   Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful

   Paul

   Paul McCall, President

   PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

   658 Old Dixie Highway

   Vero Beach, FL 32962

   772-564-6800 

   pa...@pdmnet.net 

   www.pdmnet.com 

   www.floridabroadband.com 


 
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Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Jay Weekley]

Was the employee actually allowed to surf porn?

Chuck McCown wrote:
I had a new employee demand to be able to surf porn at work.  They 
were in the process of becoming a Caitlyn and said it was a 
therapeutic necessity...


My business partner forced us to hire this person.  None of the techs 
wanted to do training.  Then there were personal hygiene and smell 
issues.


I still have PTSD from that event.

-Original Message- From: Justin Wilson
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 1:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

Things I have looked for in an employer.

1.Ongoing education opportunities.  Certifications especially.
2.Gear and gadgets.  I don’t have to have a new laptop every year, but 
a regular swap out cycle is important.  Same thing for phone and other 
gadgets.
3.Being a network admin I usually end up working late and weird 
hours.  Comp time was always nice to have.  This doesn’t apply to most 
techs so that was something I negotiated as part of my package.

4.Some sort of retirement.  401k, profit sharing, something.
5.Being on top of making deductions changes, and stuff is an important 
“benefit”.  Making sure the w2s go out n time each year, etc.


Justin




On May 11, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Jay Weekley  
wrote:


Tuition reimbursement for industry related personal development?

Paul McCall wrote:


Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described.  And, after 2 years, 
they get 2 weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.


Paul

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid 
vacation. I only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid 
holidays after 90 days, one week of paid vacation after one year of 
employment.


On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall > wrote:


   OK,

   Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need
   to start addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some
   good “guys” and don’t want to lose them because of not taking good
   care of them.  Most of them are relatively young and health
   insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to have if I can
   find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other
   considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.

   So, my points of concern are:

   Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % of
   coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are
   typically offered?

   401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the
   company would match?, other create elements ?

   Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not
   one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as
   a benefit

   (one employee who climbs occasionally) used to work for a tower
   company that had a $ 50K policy for each person

   Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one –
   interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.

   Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful

   Paul

   Paul McCall, President

   PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

   658 Old Dixie Highway

   Vero Beach, FL 32962

   772-564-6800 

   pa...@pdmnet.net 

   www.pdmnet.com 

   www.floridabroadband.com 


 
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Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Justin Wilson]

Things I have looked for in an employer.

1.Ongoing education opportunities.  Certifications especially.  
2.Gear and gadgets.  I don’t have to have a new laptop every year, but a 
regular swap out cycle is important.  Same thing for phone and other gadgets.  
3.Being a network admin I usually end up working late and weird hours.  Comp 
time was always nice to have.  This doesn’t apply to most techs so that was 
something I negotiated as part of my package.
4.Some sort of retirement.  401k, profit sharing, something.  
5.Being on top of making deductions changes, and stuff is an important 
“benefit”.  Making sure the w2s go out n time each year, etc.

Justin




> On May 11, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:
> 
> Tuition reimbursement for industry related personal development?
> 
> Paul McCall wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described.  And, after 2 years, they get 2 
>> weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
>> 
>> I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid vacation.  I 
>> only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid holidays after 90 
>> days, one week of paid vacation after one year of employment.
>> 
>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall > > wrote:
>> 
>>OK,
>> 
>>Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need
>>to start addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some
>>good “guys” and don’t want to lose them because of not taking good
>>care of them.  Most of them are relatively young and health
>>insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to have if I can
>>find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other
>>considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.
>> 
>>So, my points of concern are:
>> 
>>Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % of
>>coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are
>>typically offered?
>> 
>>401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the
>>company would match?, other create elements ?
>> 
>>Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not
>>one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as
>>a benefit
>> 
>>(one employee who climbs occasionally) used to work for a tower
>>company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
>> 
>>Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one –
>>interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.
>> 
>>Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful
>> 
>>Paul
>> 
>>Paul McCall, President
>> 
>>PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>> 
>>658 Old Dixie Highway
>> 
>>Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> 
>>772-564-6800 
>> 
>>pa...@pdmnet.net 
>> 
>>www.pdmnet.com 
>> 
>>www.floridabroadband.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Jay Weekley]

When I participated in a companies reimbursement program they forgave a 
certain amount for time spent with the company.  You couldn't just take 
the money and run.


Chuck McCown wrote:
I train them.  If they leave to better themselves then that is a good 
thing.  I have toyed with the idea that if they leave within 12 months 
they owe me back a pro rata amount of the cost of training.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 12:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/cfo-what-happens-we-them-leave-ceo-dont-stay-canary-wharf
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
 wrote:


That's a really good benefit.

But it's also a double-edged sword.

I agree with that policy 1000 percent, but it can also quickly
lead your employees to other, better paying/benefit jobs because
they have increased their worth.

So although I'm very for that, as a business owner I would advise
against it unless you are also prepared to increase their
compensation and benefits to retain them.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

Ah yes, I forgot!
CompTIA A+ and Net+ reimbursement and bonuses upon completion are
popular around here, as well as other relevant training/courses
like MTCNA, MTCRE, etc.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

Tuition reimbursement for industry related personal development?

Paul McCall wrote:
>
> Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described. And, after 2 years, they
> get 2 weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.
>
> Paul
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance,
etc.
>
> I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid
> vacation.  I only have one employee and I provide this benefit. 
Paid

> holidays after 90 days, one week of paid vacation after one year of
> employment.
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall  > wrote:
>
> OK,
>
> Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need
> to start addressing employee needs for the long term.  I
have some
> good “guys” and don’t want to lose them because of not
taking good
> care of them.  Most of them are relatively young and health
> insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to have if
I can
> find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other
> considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.
>
> So, my points of concern are:
>
> Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % of
> coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are
> typically offered?
>
> 401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the
> company would match?, other create elements ?
>
> Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not
> one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the
employer as
> a benefit
>
> (one employee who climbs occasionally) used to work for a tower
> company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
>
> Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one –
> interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.
>
> Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful
>
> Paul
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800  
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net 
>
> www.pdmnet.com  
>
> www.floridabroadband.com 
>
>
>
>

>
>   Virus-free. www.avg.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Travis Johnson]

That's what we always did... the total cost of the training (travel, 
meals, classes, etc) was pro-rated over 2 years. Worked out well, 
because we could keep them for that long or at least get some of the 
money back.


We also paid 100% of health, dental and vision insurance for every 
employee and their entire family. Zero cost to the employee.


Travis


On 5/11/2017 1:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I train them.  If they leave to better themselves then that is a good 
thing.  I have toyed with the idea that if they leave within 12 months 
they owe me back a pro rata amount of the cost of training.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 12:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/cfo-what-happens-we-them-leave-ceo-dont-stay-canary-wharf
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
 wrote:


That's a really good benefit.

But it's also a double-edged sword.

I agree with that policy 1000 percent, but it can also quickly
lead your employees to other, better paying/benefit jobs because
they have increased their worth.

So although I'm very for that, as a business owner I would advise
against it unless you are also prepared to increase their
compensation and benefits to retain them.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

Ah yes, I forgot!
CompTIA A+ and Net+ reimbursement and bonuses upon completion are
popular around here, as well as other relevant training/courses
like MTCNA, MTCRE, etc.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

Tuition reimbursement for industry related personal development?

Paul McCall wrote:
>
> Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described. And, after 2 years, they
> get 2 weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.
>
> Paul
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance,
etc.
>
> I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid
> vacation.  I only have one employee and I provide this benefit. 
Paid

> holidays after 90 days, one week of paid vacation after one year of
> employment.
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall  > wrote:
>
> OK,
>
> Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need
> to start addressing employee needs for the long term.  I
have some
> good “guys” and don’t want to lose them because of not
taking good
> care of them.  Most of them are relatively young and health
> insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to have if
I can
> find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other
> considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.
>
> So, my points of concern are:
>
> Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % of
> coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are
> typically offered?
>
> 401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the
> company would match?, other create elements ?
>
> Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not
> one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the
employer as
> a benefit
>
> (one employee who climbs occasionally) used to work for a tower
> company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
>
> Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one –
> interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.
>
> Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful
>
> Paul
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800  
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net 
>
> www.pdmnet.com  
>
> www.floridabroadband.com 
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Jay Weekley]

Some fitness centers have corporate discounts for anyone that works for 
company.  Some just give the discounts outright and some need a minimum 
number of employees.   A hospital I used to work for arranged for 15% 
discounts from Verizon for employees.  They also gave hospital wide 
bonuses if certain financial parameters were met for the year.  Back in 
the day the bonuses could be rather large.


Paul McCall wrote:


OK,

Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need to 
start addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some good 
“guys” and don’t want to lose them because of not taking good care of 
them.  Most of them are relatively young and health insurance hasn’t 
been needed, but its still nice to have if I can find any way to 
afford it.  Plus there are many other considerations rattling around 
in my cranial vault.


So, my points of concern are:

Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, 
what % of coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage 
are typically offered?


401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution 
that the company would match?, other create elements ?


Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we 
are not one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer 
as a benefit


(one employee who climbs occasionally) 
used to work for a tower company that had a $ 50K policy for each person


Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one 
– interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.


Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 


 
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Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Chuck McCown]

I train them.  If they leave to better themselves then that is a good thing.  I 
have toyed with the idea that if they leave within 12 months they owe me back a 
pro rata amount of the cost of training.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 12:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/cfo-what-happens-we-them-leave-ceo-dont-stay-canary-wharf

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

  That's a really good benefit.

  But it's also a double-edged sword.

  I agree with that policy 1000 percent, but it can also quickly lead your 
employees to other, better paying/benefit jobs because they have increased 
their worth.

  So although I'm very for that, as a business owner I would advise against it 
unless you are also prepared to increase their compensation and benefits to 
retain them.


  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
  Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:58 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

  Ah yes, I forgot!
  CompTIA A+ and Net+ reimbursement and bonuses upon completion are popular 
around here, as well as other relevant training/courses like MTCNA, MTCRE, etc.

  Chris Wright
  Network Administrator


  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
  Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

  Tuition reimbursement for industry related personal development?

  Paul McCall wrote:
  >
  > Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described.  And, after 2 years, they
  > get 2 weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.
  >
  > Paul
  >
  > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
  > *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
  > *To:* af@afmug.com
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
  >
  > I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid
  > vacation.  I only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid
  > holidays after 90 days, one week of paid vacation after one year of
  > employment.
  >
  > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall  > wrote:
  >

  > OK,
  >
  > Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need
  > to start addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some
  > good “guys” and don’t want to lose them because of not taking good
  > care of them.  Most of them are relatively young and health
  > insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to have if I can
  > find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other
  > considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.
  >
  > So, my points of concern are:
  >
  > Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % of
  > coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are
  > typically offered?
  >
  > 401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the
  > company would match?, other create elements ?
  >
  > Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not
  > one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as
  > a benefit
  >
  > (one employee who climbs occasionally) used to work for a tower
  > company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
  >
  > Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one –
  > interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.
  >
  > Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful
  >
  > Paul
  >
  > Paul McCall, President
  >
  > PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
  >
  > 658 Old Dixie Highway
  >
  > Vero Beach, FL 32962
  >

  > 772-564-6800 
  >
  > pa...@pdmnet.net 
  >
  > www.pdmnet.com 
  >
  > www.floridabroadband.com 
  >
  >
  > 

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Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Chris Wright]

Am I to infer it is better to have a less competent employee, rather than pay a 
little extra to retain someone who is worth it? Not sure I like that business 
model.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

That's a really good benefit.

But it's also a double-edged sword.

I agree with that policy 1000 percent, but it can also quickly lead your 
employees to other, better paying/benefit jobs because they have increased 
their worth.

So although I'm very for that, as a business owner I would advise against it 
unless you are also prepared to increase their compensation and benefits to 
retain them.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

Ah yes, I forgot!
CompTIA A+ and Net+ reimbursement and bonuses upon completion are popular 
around here, as well as other relevant training/courses like MTCNA, MTCRE, etc.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

Tuition reimbursement for industry related personal development?

Paul McCall wrote:
>
> Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described.  And, after 2 years, they 
> get 2 weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.
>
> Paul
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
>
> I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid 
> vacation.  I only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid 
> holidays after 90 days, one week of paid vacation after one year of 
> employment.
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall  > wrote:
>
> OK,
>
> Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need
> to start addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some
> good “guys” and don’t want to lose them because of not taking good
> care of them.  Most of them are relatively young and health
> insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to have if I can
> find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other
> considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.
>
> So, my points of concern are:
>
> Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % of
> coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are
> typically offered?
>
> 401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the
> company would match?, other create elements ?
>
> Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not
> one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as
> a benefit
>
> (one employee who climbs occasionally) used to work for a tower
> company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
>
> Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one –
> interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.
>
> Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful
>
> Paul
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net 
>
> www.pdmnet.com 
>
> www.floridabroadband.com 
>
>
> 
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450x 15.1 Code

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I am still running 15.1 (BETA 8) on an AP in 40mhz mode using DFS channels
on a 450i AP. Have 26 customers on it and not a single complaint. Really
like the increased capacity of the 40mhz channel width!

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> We have 2 customers on it.   Local/Remote login flipped by default.
> Otherwise no issues so far.   Previous versions of 15x had issues with high
> priority channel not working properly.  Have not evaluated to see if HP is
> working correctly yet.
>
> Mark
>
> On May 11, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Brandon Shiers 
> wrote:
>
> Anybody running this code out there in the wild?  Is anybody noticing any
> issues outside of what’s listed in release notes?  Would really like to
> have this code deployed to get 30MHz channels on our gear in the DFS freqs.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> *Brandon Shiers, RF Engineer In Training*
>
> 937 West Main Street
> Riverton, WY 82501
>
> 307.857.6704 <(307)%20857-6704> (o)
> 307.840.2366 <(307)%20840-2366> (c)
> 307.856.1499 <(307)%20856-1499> (f)
> brandon.shi...@cerento.com 
> [image: http://www.cerento.com/emailsignatures/logo.jpg]
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Steve Jones]

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/cfo-what-happens-we-them-leave-ceo-dont-stay-canary-wharf

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> That's a really good benefit.
>
> But it's also a double-edged sword.
>
> I agree with that policy 1000 percent, but it can also quickly lead your
> employees to other, better paying/benefit jobs because they have increased
> their worth.
>
> So although I'm very for that, as a business owner I would advise against
> it unless you are also prepared to increase their compensation and benefits
> to retain them.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:58 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
>
> Ah yes, I forgot!
> CompTIA A+ and Net+ reimbursement and bonuses upon completion are popular
> around here, as well as other relevant training/courses like MTCNA, MTCRE,
> etc.
>
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:56 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
>
> Tuition reimbursement for industry related personal development?
>
> Paul McCall wrote:
> >
> > Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described.  And, after 2 years, they
> > get 2 weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
> >
> > I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid
> > vacation.  I only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid
> > holidays after 90 days, one week of paid vacation after one year of
> > employment.
> >
> > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall  > > wrote:
> >
> > OK,
> >
> > Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need
> > to start addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some
> > good “guys” and don’t want to lose them because of not taking good
> > care of them.  Most of them are relatively young and health
> > insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to have if I can
> > find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other
> > considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.
> >
> > So, my points of concern are:
> >
> > Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % of
> > coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are
> > typically offered?
> >
> > 401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the
> > company would match?, other create elements ?
> >
> > Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not
> > one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as
> > a benefit
> >
> > (one employee who climbs occasionally) used to work for a tower
> > company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
> >
> > Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one –
> > interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > Paul McCall, President
> >
> > PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> >
> > 658 Old Dixie Highway
> >
> > Vero Beach, FL 32962
> >
> > 772-564-6800 
> >
> > pa...@pdmnet.net 
> >
> > www.pdmnet.com 
> >
> > www.floridabroadband.com 
> >
> >
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>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Sterling Jacobson]

That's a really good benefit.

But it's also a double-edged sword.

I agree with that policy 1000 percent, but it can also quickly lead your 
employees to other, better paying/benefit jobs because they have increased 
their worth.

So although I'm very for that, as a business owner I would advise against it 
unless you are also prepared to increase their compensation and benefits to 
retain them.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

Ah yes, I forgot!
CompTIA A+ and Net+ reimbursement and bonuses upon completion are popular 
around here, as well as other relevant training/courses like MTCNA, MTCRE, etc.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

Tuition reimbursement for industry related personal development?

Paul McCall wrote:
>
> Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described.  And, after 2 years, they 
> get 2 weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.
>
> Paul
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
>
> I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid 
> vacation.  I only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid 
> holidays after 90 days, one week of paid vacation after one year of 
> employment.
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall  > wrote:
>
> OK,
>
> Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need
> to start addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some
> good “guys” and don’t want to lose them because of not taking good
> care of them.  Most of them are relatively young and health
> insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to have if I can
> find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other
> considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.
>
> So, my points of concern are:
>
> Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % of
> coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are
> typically offered?
>
> 401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the
> company would match?, other create elements ?
>
> Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not
> one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as
> a benefit
>
> (one employee who climbs occasionally) used to work for a tower
> company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
>
> Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one –
> interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.
>
> Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful
>
> Paul
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net 
>
> www.pdmnet.com 
>
> www.floridabroadband.com 
>
>
> 
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

[Steve Jones]

so if we hire a retired electrician to sit and eat sandwiches can we get
apprenticeship status for our guys?

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 5/11/17 7:46 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> It appears to be as real as  your local building authority.  However
>> someone said they think we are exempt as being similar to a public
>> utility.  Still trying to track that down.
>>
>
> When will all your stuff need to carry a UL listing if not exempt?
>
> My gut feeling is that this is because of applications like this:
>
> https://www.treehugger.com/interior-design/led-light-fixture
> s-are-poe-or-powered-over-ethernet.html
>
> Where you have an office building full of these Ethernet powered LED
> fixtures. Suddenly you have plans that call for no lighting circuits
> because hey it's just Ethernet, inspectors seeing all these fixtures but
> none of it is technically in scope, but clearly there are going to be
> hundreds of fixtures each with an individual Cat5 cable using it in a power
> delivery kind of way.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Chris Wright]

Ah yes, I forgot!
CompTIA A+ and Net+ reimbursement and bonuses upon completion are popular 
around here, as well as other relevant training/courses like MTCNA, MTCRE, etc.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

Tuition reimbursement for industry related personal development?

Paul McCall wrote:
>
> Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described.  And, after 2 years, they 
> get 2 weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.
>
> Paul
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
>
> I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid 
> vacation.  I only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid 
> holidays after 90 days, one week of paid vacation after one year of 
> employment.
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall  > wrote:
>
> OK,
>
> Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need
> to start addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some
> good “guys” and don’t want to lose them because of not taking good
> care of them.  Most of them are relatively young and health
> insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to have if I can
> find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other
> considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.
>
> So, my points of concern are:
>
> Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % of
> coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are
> typically offered?
>
> 401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the
> company would match?, other create elements ?
>
> Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not
> one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as
> a benefit
>
> (one employee who climbs occasionally) used to work for a tower
> company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
>
> Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one –
> interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.
>
> Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful
>
> Paul
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net 
>
> www.pdmnet.com 
>
> www.floridabroadband.com 
>
>
> 
>  
>   Virus-free. www.avg.com
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Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

[Chuck McCown]

Magic Box
Magic Box
(Dennis are you listening)
Magic Box

From: Chris Wright 
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

I think there are more of us in the same boat as you than you know. IPv6 has 
been a standard since 1998, any customer router that doesn’t support IPv6 can 
pound sand as far as I’m concerned. Since the vast majority of my network is 
non-static, I hope to roll out IPv6 tower by tower, but until Mikrotik starts 
supporting NAT64 or someone comes up with a magic box to do it for me, it’s 
looking like IPv4 CGNAT is the only way out of this squeeze.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 9:55 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

 

I admit I'm more ignorant when it comes to IPv6 than I should be, so there may 
be an obvious answer to this... but if you're not giving out any IPv4, how are 
the customer's devices that don't support IPv6 going to work? Will that somehow 
get handled by the customer's router?

 

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Chris Wright  wrote:

This right here, no CGNAT silliness, I want something that moves my network 
distinctly forward.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 7:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

 

I want to just give the customer a V6 and the edge appliance will nat the v4 
only destinations.  

 

From: Paul Stewart 

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 6:45 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

 

We dual stack and will continue as long as possible …   really hoping to avoid 
transition stuff but who knows for sure if that’s just a pipe dream or not ;) 

 

 

  On May 10, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:

   

  I’m weighing the pros/cons of purchasing another block of IPv4 at auction or 
finding a NAT64 solution that will enable me to start handing IPv6 addresses to 
customers and know they’ll be able to get to IPv4 internet without issue. 
Mikrotik doesn’t seem too concerned with implementing NAT64, so I’d be looking 
at adding complexity to my network if I go that direction. On the other hand, I 
don’t like spending thousands of dollars on antiquated address space if I can 
help it. I’d rather do my part in moving IP standards forward instead of 
staying stuck in the past.

   

  What’s working for you all?

   

  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Jay Weekley]

Tuition reimbursement for industry related personal development?

Paul McCall wrote:


Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described.  And, after 2 years, they 
get 2 weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.


Paul

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid 
vacation.  I only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid 
holidays after 90 days, one week of paid vacation after one year of 
employment.


On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall > wrote:


OK,

Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need
to start addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some
good “guys” and don’t want to lose them because of not taking good
care of them.  Most of them are relatively young and health
insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to have if I can
find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other
considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.

So, my points of concern are:

Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % of
coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are
typically offered?

401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the
company would match?, other create elements ?

Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not
one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as
a benefit

(one employee who climbs occasionally) used to work for a tower
company that had a $ 50K policy for each person

Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one –
interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.

Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 


 
	Virus-free. www.avg.com 
 



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Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

[Chris Wright]

I think there are more of us in the same boat as you than you know. IPv6 has 
been a standard since 1998, any customer router that doesn’t support IPv6 can 
pound sand as far as I’m concerned. Since the vast majority of my network is 
non-static, I hope to roll out IPv6 tower by tower, but until Mikrotik starts 
supporting NAT64 or someone comes up with a magic box to do it for me, it’s 
looking like IPv4 CGNAT is the only way out of this squeeze.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 9:55 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

 

I admit I'm more ignorant when it comes to IPv6 than I should be, so there may 
be an obvious answer to this... but if you're not giving out any IPv4, how are 
the customer's devices that don't support IPv6 going to work? Will that somehow 
get handled by the customer's router?

 

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Chris Wright  wrote:

This right here, no CGNAT silliness, I want something that moves my network 
distinctly forward.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 7:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

 

I want to just give the customer a V6 and the edge appliance will nat the v4 
only destinations.  

 

From: Paul Stewart 

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 6:45 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

 

We dual stack and will continue as long as possible …   really hoping to avoid 
transition stuff but who knows for sure if that’s just a pipe dream or not ;) 

 

 

On May 10, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:

 

I’m weighing the pros/cons of purchasing another block of IPv4 at auction or 
finding a NAT64 solution that will enable me to start handing IPv6 addresses to 
customers and know they’ll be able to get to IPv4 internet without issue. 
Mikrotik doesn’t seem too concerned with implementing NAT64, so I’d be looking 
at adding complexity to my network if I go that direction. On the other hand, I 
don’t like spending thousands of dollars on antiquated address space if I can 
help it. I’d rather do my part in moving IP standards forward instead of 
staying stuck in the past.

 

What’s working for you all?

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

[Paul Stewart]

Absolutely …I think Facebook or someone like that should do it… that’ll fix 
things in a hurry ;)

> On May 11, 2017, at 4:24 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> What will force the transition is the moment that google and/or some other 
> large provider starts to provide certain services only via IPv6.   
> 
> It would not surprise me to see this start occurring by certain providers for 
> certain desirable but not-core-business services.   
> 
> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Sterling Jacobson  > wrote:
> I want there to be a two day world wide event where we disable all hosted 
> IPv4 routing.
> 
>  
> 
> Then we’ll see which hosting services are stuck in the 1990’s and need to 
> upgrade immediately to IPv6.
> 
>  
> 
> That is what is stopping us.
> 
>  
> 
> And ISP, upstream providers not handling IPv6 transport or BGP IPv6…
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 8:19 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants
> 
>  
> 
> I want to just give the customer a V6 and the edge appliance will nat the v4 
> only destinations. 
> 
>  
> 
> From: Paul Stewart
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 6:45 PM
> 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants
> 
>  
> 
> We dual stack and will continue as long as possible …   really hoping to 
> avoid transition stuff but who knows for sure if that’s just a pipe dream or 
> not ;)
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On May 10, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Chris Wright  > wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> I’m weighing the pros/cons of purchasing another block of IPv4 at auction or 
> finding a NAT64 solution that will enable me to start handing IPv6 addresses 
> to customers and know they’ll be able to get to IPv4 internet without issue. 
> Mikrotik doesn’t seem too concerned with implementing NAT64, so I’d be 
> looking at adding complexity to my network if I go that direction. On the 
> other hand, I don’t like spending thousands of dollars on antiquated address 
> space if I can help it. I’d rather do my part in moving IP standards forward 
> instead of staying stuck in the past.
> 
>  
> 
> What’s working for you all?
> 
>  
> 
> Chris Wright
> 
> Network Administrator
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
> Tel: 406-449-3345 <> | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com  | http://www.packetflux.com 
> 
>      
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Chuck McCown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGvrmltfMrA

(probably offensive to 3/4ths of you)

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

This is an area that I think every employer can always do better … and i mean 
that respectively, because if you’re always looking for better ways that means 
you are doing more and more for staff.  Sometimes it’s the small things that 
really mean more than big things … more than just money etc 

We do things like:

free soda beverages
free fruit and snacks
lunch areas that have big screen TV, game consoles, lounge area etc
discounted Internet and other services at home (some staff are free depending 
on their role)
lots of different theme days .. pizza days, hot dog days, etc where food is 
brought in for everyone
senior management taking various folks out for lunch or dinner … different 
groups, not even people who work in their teams
some teams have fun days a couple of times a year - taking the afternoon off 
and going to archery range, or going bowling ..that kind of stuff

Everyone has health insurance package (benefits package including dental, 
vision, prescription etc)
No retirement option is one area lacking
Life insurance - standard as part of benefits

Paul


  On May 11, 2017, at 9:19 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

  OK, 
   
  Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need to start 
addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some good “guys” and don’t 
want to lose them because of not taking good care of them.  Most of them are 
relatively young and health insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to 
have if I can find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other 
considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.
   
  So, my points of concern are:
   
  Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % 
of coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are typically 
offered?
  401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the 
company would match?, other create elements ?
  Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are 
not one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as a benefit
  (one employee who climbs occasionally) used 
to work for a tower company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
  Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one – 
interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.
   
  Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful
   
  Paul
   
   
  Paul McCall, President
  PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
  658 Old Dixie Highway
  Vero Beach, FL 32962
  772-564-6800  
  pa...@pdmnet.net
  www.pdmnet.com
  www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Paul Stewart]

Here it’s law re: vacation and two weeks is the norm in first year.  For some 
senior folks, when recruiting them we do three weeks vacation to start which is 
a really nice perk.

> On May 11, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
> 
> I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid vacation.  I 
> only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid holidays after 90 
> days, one week of paid vacation after one year of employment.
> 
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall  > wrote:
> OK,
> 
>  
> 
> Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need to start 
> addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some good “guys” and 
> don’t want to lose them because of not taking good care of them.  Most of 
> them are relatively young and health insurance hasn’t been needed, but its 
> still nice to have if I can find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many 
> other considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.
> 
>  
> 
> So, my points of concern are:
> 
>  
> 
> Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % 
> of coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are typically 
> offered?
> 
> 401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the 
> company would match?, other create elements ?
> 
> Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are 
> not one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as a 
> benefit
> 
> (one employee who climbs occasionally) used 
> to work for a tower company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
> 
> Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one – 
> interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful
> 
>  
> 
> Paul
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Paul McCall, President
> 
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> 
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 
> 772-564-6800  
> 
> pa...@pdmnet.net 
> www.pdmnet.com 
> www.floridabroadband.com 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Paul Stewart]

This is an area that I think every employer can always do better … and i mean 
that respectively, because if you’re always looking for better ways that means 
you are doing more and more for staff.  Sometimes it’s the small things that 
really mean more than big things … more than just money etc

We do things like:

free soda beverages
free fruit and snacks
lunch areas that have big screen TV, game consoles, lounge area etc
discounted Internet and other services at home (some staff are free depending 
on their role)
lots of different theme days .. pizza days, hot dog days, etc where food is 
brought in for everyone
senior management taking various folks out for lunch or dinner … different 
groups, not even people who work in their teams
some teams have fun days a couple of times a year - taking the afternoon off 
and going to archery range, or going bowling ..that kind of stuff

Everyone has health insurance package (benefits package including dental, 
vision, prescription etc)
No retirement option is one area lacking
Life insurance - standard as part of benefits

Paul


> On May 11, 2017, at 9:19 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
> 
> OK, 
>  
> Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need to start 
> addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some good “guys” and 
> don’t want to lose them because of not taking good care of them.  Most of 
> them are relatively young and health insurance hasn’t been needed, but its 
> still nice to have if I can find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many 
> other considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.
>  
> So, my points of concern are:
>  
> Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % 
> of coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are typically 
> offered?
> 401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the 
> company would match?, other create elements ?
> Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are 
> not one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as a 
> benefit
> (one employee who climbs occasionally) used 
> to work for a tower company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
> Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one – 
> interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.
>  
> Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful
>  
> Paul
>  
>  
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800  
> pa...@pdmnet.net 
> www.pdmnet.com 
> www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Sterling Jacobson]

Health insurance is probably a good step, and the hardest right now.

You could join your company to a ‘health pool’ program for the least expensive 
option probably.

I think all of these things will help and tell your workers that they are 
valued.

Also flex time. That is really big.

If they need time off, just give them time off.

Reward them for work accomplished and recognize they are working good hours for 
good pay by being flexible on when they work.

I like the work at home idea, I like paying more for workers that do more.
I like paying less for workers that want to take more time off than others, 
which isn’t a bad thing, and is understood by most people as a natural trade 
off.

People like to be able to take time for themselves, when they want and when it 
makes sense in their employment.

With an ISP there might be slow times or busy times or slow and busy ‘seasons’ 
and they want to take advantage of the ebb and flow with time off and 
‘overtime’.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

Some recent trends I’m noticing with benefit packages if you’re looking for 
ideas:
Free Amazon Prime (only costs the employer $99/year, small beans compared to 
401k matching or Health Insurance contributions but is perceived as a REALLY 
neat perk).
Partial/Full internet reimbursement.
Partial/Full cell phone reimbursement.
Partial/Full gym membership reimbursement.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 9:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

don't forget billable hour commissions if you do billable time, 5 bucks per 
billable hour stands to put a decent amount of dough in a motivated employees 
pocket

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described.  And, after 2 years, they get 2 
weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid vacation.  I 
only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid holidays after 90 
days, one week of paid vacation after one year of employment.

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
OK,

Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need to start 
addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some good “guys” and don’t 
want to lose them because of not taking good care of them.  Most of them are 
relatively young and health insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to 
have if I can find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other 
considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.

So, my points of concern are:

Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % 
of coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are typically 
offered?
401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the 
company would match?, other create elements ?
Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not 
one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as a benefit
(one employee who climbs occasionally) used to 
work for a tower company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one – 
interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.

Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful

Paul


Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

[Sterling Jacobson]

The large majority of customer devices are behind the router on NAT anyway.

So, they can still be handed IPv4 NAT internal addresses which filter through 
the router as one public IPv6 forever more.

But more than half of any given customer device profile now happily take IPv6 
from the router.

I see that adoption rate as actually better than the router and upstream IPv6 
adoption.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:55 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

I admit I'm more ignorant when it comes to IPv6 than I should be, so there may 
be an obvious answer to this... but if you're not giving out any IPv4, how are 
the customer's devices that don't support IPv6 going to work? Will that somehow 
get handled by the customer's router?

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Chris Wright 
> wrote:
This right here, no CGNAT silliness, I want something that moves my network 
distinctly forward.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 7:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

I want to just give the customer a V6 and the edge appliance will nat the v4 
only destinations.

From: Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 6:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

We dual stack and will continue as long as possible …   really hoping to avoid 
transition stuff but who knows for sure if that’s just a pipe dream or not ;)


On May 10, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Chris Wright 
> wrote:

I’m weighing the pros/cons of purchasing another block of IPv4 at auction or 
finding a NAT64 solution that will enable me to start handing IPv6 addresses to 
customers and know they’ll be able to get to IPv4 internet without issue. 
Mikrotik doesn’t seem too concerned with implementing NAT64, so I’d be looking 
at adding complexity to my network if I go that direction. On the other hand, I 
don’t like spending thousands of dollars on antiquated address space if I can 
help it. I’d rather do my part in moving IP standards forward instead of 
staying stuck in the past.

What’s working for you all?

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Chris Wright]

Some recent trends I’m noticing with benefit packages if you’re looking for 
ideas:

Free Amazon Prime (only costs the employer $99/year, small beans compared to 
401k matching or Health Insurance contributions but is perceived as a REALLY 
neat perk).

Partial/Full internet reimbursement.

Partial/Full cell phone reimbursement.

Partial/Full gym membership reimbursement.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 9:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

 

don't forget billable hour commissions if you do billable time, 5 bucks per 
billable hour stands to put a decent amount of dough in a motivated employees 
pocket

 

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described.  And, after 2 years, they get 2 
weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.

 

Paul

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

 

I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid vacation.  I 
only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid holidays after 90 
days, one week of paid vacation after one year of employment.

 

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

OK, 

 

Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need to start 
addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some good “guys” and don’t 
want to lose them because of not taking good care of them.  Most of them are 
relatively young and health insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to 
have if I can find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other 
considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.

 

So, my points of concern are:

 

Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % 
of coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are typically 
offered?

401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the 
company would match?, other create elements ?

Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not 
one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as a benefit

(one employee who climbs occasionally) used to 
work for a tower company that had a $ 50K policy for each person

Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one – 
interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.

 

Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful

 

Paul

 

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800    

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
For what it's worth, I don't think the DR-UPS actually has LVD built
in. It was probably a coincidence that your Netronix shut off when
the Battery Fail light came on because there was no longer enough
current for the Netonix to run.You'd have to run the batteries (pos
or neg) through a relay, with the relay operator terminals wired
through the DC OK contact of the DR-UPS40, which opens when voltage
goes below 21V (ish).


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 5/11/17 10:50 AM, David Coudron
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Will do.
 
Thanks
Mark, Seth, others for the help.  Much appreciated.
 

  David
  Coudron
  david.coud...@advantenon.com | 
  Mobile:
612-991-7474
   
  Advantenon,
  Inc.    
    
  i...@advantenon.com | 
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Vicksburg Lane N,
  Suite
315,
  Plymouth,
MN 55447 | 
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  Phone:
800-704-4720 | 
  Local:
612-454-1545 
   
  

 


  
From: Af
  [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
  Mark Radabaugh
  Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:44 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question
  

 
27.2 would be much more appropriate for a
  float charge.  Exact value depends on the battery manufacturer
  specs and temperature - check there for the right number.  
  24.2 or 25V is way too low, won’t get you a full charge, and
  reduce the life of the battery.

   


  Mark
  
 

  
 
  

 

  

  On May 11, 2017, at 12:35 PM,
David Coudron 
wrote:

 

  
It was at 24.2V.   We just
  turned it up to 25V.  I am guessing that will
  charge the batteries a little better?
  
  
  
  David Coudron
  david.coud...@advantenon.com
   |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
   
  Advantenon, Inc.       
  i...@advantenon.com
   |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN
  55447  | 
  www.advantenon.com
   |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545 
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
  Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 8:33 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question
  
  On 5/11/17 4:14 AM, David Coudron wrote:
  
  

  We did initially give them a
good charge, although I am thinking they
are not getting charged fully after testing a
rundown.   We are watching
the currently going into the batteries with the
TPDIN, and that is 
showing zero current, but we are going to pull
them off the system and
charge separately once to see how they react to
that.   I am guessing
the MeanWells will take quite a while to charge
those up fully.  We 
are using 14 ga stranded wire between all
components in the system, 
except the AC feed.  That is solid copper.


  

Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

[Mathew Howard]

I admit I'm more ignorant when it comes to IPv6 than I should be, so there
may be an obvious answer to this... but if you're not giving out any IPv4,
how are the customer's devices that don't support IPv6 going to work? Will
that somehow get handled by the customer's router?

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Chris Wright  wrote:

> This right here, no CGNAT silliness, I want something that moves my
> network distinctly forward.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 7:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants
>
>
>
> I want to just give the customer a V6 and the edge appliance will nat the
> v4 only destinations.
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul Stewart
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 6:45 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants
>
>
>
> We dual stack and will continue as long as possible …   really hoping to
> avoid transition stuff but who knows for sure if that’s just a pipe dream
> or not ;)
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:
>
>
>
> I’m weighing the pros/cons of purchasing another block of IPv4 at auction
> or finding a NAT64 solution that will enable me to start handing IPv6
> addresses to customers and know they’ll be able to get to IPv4 internet
> without issue. Mikrotik doesn’t seem too concerned with implementing NAT64,
> so I’d be looking at adding complexity to my network if I go that
> direction. On the other hand, I don’t like spending thousands of dollars on
> antiquated address space if I can help it. I’d rather do my part in moving
> IP standards forward instead of staying stuck in the past.
>
>
>
> What’s working for you all?
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

[David Coudron]

Will do.

Thanks Mark, Seth, others for the help.  Much appreciated.

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc. [cid:image001.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0] 
   
[cid:image002.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0]    
[cid:image003.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0]    
[cid:image004.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0] 
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |  
www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  
Local: 612-454-1545

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

27.2 would be much more appropriate for a float charge.  Exact value depends on 
the battery manufacturer specs and temperature - check there for the right 
number.   24.2 or 25V is way too low, won’t get you a full charge, and reduce 
the life of the battery.

Mark



On May 11, 2017, at 12:35 PM, David Coudron 
> wrote:

It was at 24.2V.   We just turned it up to 25V.  I am guessing that will charge 
the batteries a little better?



David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |  www.advantenon.com 
 |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 8:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

On 5/11/17 4:14 AM, David Coudron wrote:

We did initially give them a good charge, although I am thinking they
are not getting charged fully after testing a rundown.   We are watching
the currently going into the batteries with the TPDIN, and that is
showing zero current, but we are going to pull them off the system and
charge separately once to see how they react to that.   I am guessing
the MeanWells will take quite a while to charge those up fully.  We
are using 14 ga stranded wire between all components in the system,
except the AC feed.  That is solid copper.


What's your DC power supply voltage output set to?

Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

[Seth Mattinen]

On 5/11/17 9:35 AM, David Coudron wrote:

It was at 24.2V.   We just turned it up to 25V.  I am guessing that will charge 
the batteries a little better?



You will probably want 27.2 to 27.6 volts. Check the spec sheets for 
your battery. I use Power-Sonic batteries because they have good docs 
and lasted well over the years.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

[Mark Radabaugh]

27.2 would be much more appropriate for a float charge.  Exact value depends on 
the battery manufacturer specs and temperature - check there for the right 
number.   24.2 or 25V is way too low, won’t get you a full charge, and reduce 
the life of the battery.

Mark
 


> On May 11, 2017, at 12:35 PM, David Coudron  
> wrote:
> 
> It was at 24.2V.   We just turned it up to 25V.  I am guessing that will 
> charge the batteries a little better?
> 
> 
> 
> David Coudron
> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
>  
> Advantenon, Inc.   
> i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  
> |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 8:33 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question
> 
> On 5/11/17 4:14 AM, David Coudron wrote:
>> We did initially give them a good charge, although I am thinking they
>> are not getting charged fully after testing a rundown.   We are watching
>> the currently going into the batteries with the TPDIN, and that is 
>> showing zero current, but we are going to pull them off the system and
>> charge separately once to see how they react to that.   I am guessing
>> the MeanWells will take quite a while to charge those up fully.  We 
>> are using 14 ga stranded wire between all components in the system, 
>> except the AC feed.  That is solid copper.
> 
> 
> What's your DC power supply voltage output set to?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] owner vs employee staff valuation

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I don't know the details of your background other that what you have stated 
below... 
I am a business owner and also the 'Head Techie'.. as such I will add my 2 
cents to the 'soul searching' you are doing... 

Working in the business, and working on the business, are two very distinct 
concepts. As techies, we often confuse the two.. but that confusion is a self 
made mistake. 

There is a distinct role of the "Manager" vs the role of a Network Admin. From 
the sounds of it you have been doing both for so long that now the roles are 
getting a bit more defined, you are sort of questioning yourself with the self 
assigned value to the role of the Manager. 

The "Flaw" with outsourcing or using external contractors is a very simple 
one They will do exactly what you have contracted them to do .. nothing 
more and hopefully nothing less... i.e. It is typically not in their best 
interest to spend large amount of time in optimizing, cleaning up, streamlining 
your network... (unless that is the specific job assigned). 

The quintessential role of the Manger is exactly that.. a continuous overview 
of all the elements of the business, making sure that everything is working 
like a fine tuned machine, jumping in the areas which need help, 
and..working on Business Development... (How to optimize, how to do things 
better, how to grow the network, how to offer more profitable services etc etc 
etc.. i.e. the Tomorrow projects). 

Having said that...what is the value ? well it depends on how you fill those 
shoes... if you are going to be a 'glorified' Network Admin.. then the value is 
a diminishing one. if you are going to be a Manager, who is now able to 
focus on Business Development.. then the value would be measured as a multiple 
of Network Admin. 

:) 

Best of Luck. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Steve Jones" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 2:15:15 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] owner vs employee staff valuation

> I'm very curious, primarily from owners with admin staff about staff 
> valuation.
> I'm a pretty critical guy here, I think a lot of that is due to the fact I
> don't spread my role freely. I'm the admin, , that's pretty straight forward.
> I'm the tier 3, or two, whichever you assign to tech support that actually
> solves problems or initiates disconnects that cant be resoled vi a call one.

> We also do network support, I only really generate 5-20 billable hours on 
> that.
> Not to be cocky, but a lot of those limited 5-20 is my efficiency... I'm 
> really
> good at my job.

> Last year I recommended dropping one of our techs, which freed up a ton of
> dough, gave us the option to go to serverplus. the frees uo a substantial
> amount of my tier 2/3 time (their tier1 is much more inclusive than ours,

> We brought in a contractor on our ISP side to handle the BGP followed by IP6
> adoption.

> Their continued support for the transit component of our network is not a
> terrible cost

> What I have found is my cost to the company is substantially higher than a
> recurring contract with them.

> Essentially, we offset the whole of the transit on our network and more with 
> the
> ditching 0f the tech

> That leaves me with pretty much posting to afmug for advice on new stuff.

> We have "reliable" outsource site/tower guys

> As an administrator, I genuinely think I found a route to replace myself with 
> a
> substantial savings, with the exception of new product/technology exploration.
> a pretty good discount. Installers are just s cost, if we need more, we get
> more, like fish.

> Assuming you guys have a guy for everything other than going to Afmug to get
> advice, how much is the afmug guy worth. ( I use the list just for example)

> I know I'm not the first guy who found what on its face to be a highly cost
> effective solution to replace their "network guy" and found a flaw

> whats the flaw?

Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

[David Coudron]

It was at 24.2V.   We just turned it up to 25V.  I am guessing that will charge 
the batteries a little better?



David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
 
Advantenon, Inc.       
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  | 
 www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545 



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 8:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

On 5/11/17 4:14 AM, David Coudron wrote:
> We did initially give them a good charge, although I am thinking they
> are not getting charged fully after testing a rundown.   We are watching
> the currently going into the batteries with the TPDIN, and that is 
> showing zero current, but we are going to pull them off the system and
> charge separately once to see how they react to that.   I am guessing
> the MeanWells will take quite a while to charge those up fully.  We 
> are using 14 ga stranded wire between all components in the system, 
> except the AC feed.  That is solid copper.


What's your DC power supply voltage output set to?

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Steve Jones]

don't forget billable hour commissions if you do billable time, 5 bucks per
billable hour stands to put a decent amount of dough in a motivated
employees pocket

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described.  And, after 2 years, they get
> 2 weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.
>
>
>
> I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid vacation.
> I only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid holidays after
> 90 days, one week of paid vacation after one year of employment.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> OK,
>
>
>
> Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need to start
> addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some good “guys” and
> don’t want to lose them because of not taking good care of them.  Most of
> them are relatively young and health insurance hasn’t been needed, but its
> still nice to have if I can find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many
> other considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.
>
>
>
> So, my points of concern are:
>
>
>
> Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?,
> what % of coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are
> typically offered?
>
> 401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that
> the company would match?, other create elements ?
>
> Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are
> not one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as a
> benefit
>
> (one employee who climbs occasionally)
> used to work for a tower company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
>
> Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one –
> interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] owner vs employee staff valuation

[Chris Wright]

Yep, there is significant value in the type of person whose mind is never 
really “off the clock.” No part time contract worker is going to care for that 
network as much as the guy/gal who can’t stop themselves from pulling up 
traffic graphs every half hour in the evenings/weekends.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 6:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] owner vs employee staff valuation

 

I calculate that at about $45k to $120k depending on your network.

 

There either has to be an all in one guy that can monitor the network and 
respond to complicated issues correctly 24/7 ($120k guy), or one or more NOC 
techs ($45k) that can do that 24/7 and somehow bring you or someone capable on 
site, on time, every time, when something happens and pay per hour on top.

 

I found the latter to be nearly impossible to find, or a person willing to be 
the 24/7 guy without significant pay or ownership, or likely both.

 

That is the real key.

 

It’s hard for management, or partners, to wrap their head around this concept.

 

Until something horrible breaks, and no one is there to properly fix it for 
hours, and you lose a significant chunk of your customers/revenue over the 
incident(s).

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 7:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] owner vs employee staff valuation

 

$60K

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 12:15 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] owner vs employee staff valuation

 

I'm very curious, primarily from owners with admin staff about staff valuation. 
I'm a pretty critical guy here, I think a lot of that is due to the fact I 
don't spread my role freely. I'm the admin, , that's pretty straight forward. 
I'm the tier 3, or two, whichever you assign to tech support that actually 
solves problems or initiates disconnects that cant be resoled vi a call one.

 

We also do network support, I only really generate 5-20 billable hours on that. 
Not to be cocky, but a lot of those limited 5-20 is my efficiency... I'm really 
good at my job.

 

 

Last year I recommended dropping one of our techs, which freed up a ton of 
dough, gave us the option to go to serverplus. the frees uo a substantial 
amount of my tier 2/3 time (their tier1 is much more inclusive than ours,

 

We brought in a contractor on our ISP side to handle the BGP followed by IP6 
adoption.

 

Their continued support for the transit component of our network is not a 
terrible cost

 

What I have found is my cost to the company is substantially higher than a 
recurring contract with them.

 

Essentially, we offset the whole of the transit on our network and more with 
the ditching 0f the tech

 

That leaves me with pretty much posting to afmug for advice on new stuff.

 

We have "reliable" outsource site/tower guys

 

As an administrator, I genuinely think I found a route to replace myself with a 
substantial savings, with the exception of new product/technology exploration. 
a pretty good discount. Installers are just s cost, if we need more, we get 
more, like fish.

 

Assuming you guys have a guy for everything other than going to Afmug to get 
advice, how much is the afmug guy worth. ( I use the list just for example) 

 

I know I'm not the first guy who found what on its face to be a highly cost 
effective solution to replace their "network guy" and found a flaw

 

whats the flaw?

 

Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

[Chris Wright]

Because CGNAT for IPv4 is a step in the opposite direction. Though it may very 
well come to that.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

Why not dual stack with CGNAT IPv4 and public IPv6?

Hand your lower speed tier accounts a NATed IPv4 in 100.64.0.0/10 and a public 
/64 in IPv6.

What I am thinking of doing when the IPv4 squeeze hits us but I still have not 
figured out how to track abuse etc in the NATed space.
Anyone made that work with Mikrotik?

We are doing dual stack public IPv4 and IPv6 with PPPoE right now but it seems 
that mostly only pppoe users with Mikrotik routers pick up the IPv6.  Mikrotik 
seems to be lagging a bit on IPv6 support as well.
No IPv6 accounting yet, no easy way to assign IPv6 subnet with radius etc.



On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:
> I’m weighing the pros/cons of purchasing another block of IPv4 at 
> auction or finding a NAT64 solution that will enable me to start 
> handing IPv6 addresses to customers and know they’ll be able to get to IPv4 
> internet without issue.
> Mikrotik doesn’t seem too concerned with implementing NAT64, so I’d be 
> looking at adding complexity to my network if I go that direction. On 
> the other hand, I don’t like spending thousands of dollars on 
> antiquated address space if I can help it. I’d rather do my part in 
> moving IP standards forward instead of staying stuck in the past.
>
>
>
> What’s working for you all?
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

[Chris Wright]

This right here, no CGNAT silliness, I want something that moves my network 
distinctly forward.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 7:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

 

I want to just give the customer a V6 and the edge appliance will nat the v4 
only destinations.  

 

From: Paul Stewart 

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 6:45 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

 

We dual stack and will continue as long as possible …   really hoping to avoid 
transition stuff but who knows for sure if that’s just a pipe dream or not ;) 

 

 

On May 10, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:

 

I’m weighing the pros/cons of purchasing another block of IPv4 at auction or 
finding a NAT64 solution that will enable me to start handing IPv6 addresses to 
customers and know they’ll be able to get to IPv4 internet without issue. 
Mikrotik doesn’t seem too concerned with implementing NAT64, so I’d be looking 
at adding complexity to my network if I go that direction. On the other hand, I 
don’t like spending thousands of dollars on antiquated address space if I can 
help it. I’d rather do my part in moving IP standards forward instead of 
staying stuck in the past.

 

What’s working for you all?

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450x 15.1 Code

[Mark Radabaugh]

We have 2 customers on it.   Local/Remote login flipped by default.  Otherwise 
no issues so far.   Previous versions of 15x had issues with high priority 
channel not working properly.  Have not evaluated to see if HP is working 
correctly yet.

Mark 

> On May 11, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Brandon Shiers  
> wrote:
> 
> Anybody running this code out there in the wild?  Is anybody noticing any 
> issues outside of what’s listed in release notes?  Would really like to have 
> this code deployed to get 30MHz channels on our gear in the DFS freqs. 
>  
> Thanks,
>  
>  
> Brandon Shiers, RF Engineer In Training
>  
> 937 West Main Street
> Riverton, WY 82501
>  
> 307.857.6704 (o)
> 307.840.2366 (c)
> 307.856.1499 (f)
> brandon.shi...@cerento.com 

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

[Seth Mattinen]

On 5/11/17 7:46 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

It appears to be as real as  your local building authority.  However
someone said they think we are exempt as being similar to a public
utility.  Still trying to track that down.


When will all your stuff need to carry a UL listing if not exempt?

My gut feeling is that this is because of applications like this:

https://www.treehugger.com/interior-design/led-light-fixtures-are-poe-or-powered-over-ethernet.html

Where you have an office building full of these Ethernet powered LED 
fixtures. Suddenly you have plans that call for no lighting circuits 
because hey it's just Ethernet, inspectors seeing all these fixtures but 
none of it is technically in scope, but clearly there are going to be 
hundreds of fixtures each with an individual Cat5 cable using it in a 
power delivery kind of way.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Alpha FXM2000

[Randy Cosby]

Following up on this for future reference and web searches of the archives:

 

The temperature sensor cable is part number w03457 and I was able to buy some 
through Codale (thanks Sterling for the tip.)

 

 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 3:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alpha FXM2000

 

Sterling,

 

Where did you find the temperature kits?

 

Randy

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 8:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alpha FXM2000

 

We have a few of those, some of which I’ve gotten off Ebay, and even one 
locally that I picked up.

 

I wouldn’t say they hum, but maybe I didn’t notice that.

 

There might be something off with yours if it’s really loud while on AC power.

 

You can purchase the harness kits from vendors or Alpha I think.

 

I’ve gotten the battery harness kit and the temperature RJ14/11 cable after the 
fact.

 

The only thing I couldn’t really find extra was the network module since it’s a 
module that has the whole fan/wiring assembly inside.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 6:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alpha FXM2000

 

They have a large transformer so they might hum a bit. The battery connector is 
an Anderson connector.

Keefe

On May 5, 2017 5:49:23 PM CDT, Jason McKemie  > wrote:

Just got one of these new / open box. I have a couple of questions though. 

 

Do they normally produce a humming sound while powered up?

 

Is the battery connector something standard? I don't have the one that is 
supposed to come with it.

 


-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

[AFMUG] Cambium 450x 15.1 Code

[Brandon Shiers]

Anybody running this code out there in the wild?  Is anybody noticing any 
issues outside of what's listed in release notes?  Would really like to have 
this code deployed to get 30MHz channels on our gear in the DFS freqs.

Thanks,



Brandon Shiers, RF Engineer In Training



937 West Main Street
Riverton, WY 82501



307.857.6704 (o)
307.840.2366 (c)
307.856.1499 (f)
brandon.shi...@cerento.com

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Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Paul McCall]

Yes, we do that.  Exactly as you described.  And, after 2 years, they get 2 
weeks.  After 6 years, they get 3 weeks.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid vacation.  I 
only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid holidays after 90 
days, one week of paid vacation after one year of employment.

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
OK,

Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need to start 
addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some good “guys” and don’t 
want to lose them because of not taking good care of them.  Most of them are 
relatively young and health insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to 
have if I can find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other 
considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.

So, my points of concern are:

Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % 
of coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are typically 
offered?
401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the 
company would match?, other create elements ?
Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not 
one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as a benefit
(one employee who climbs occasionally) used to 
work for a tower company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one – 
interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.

Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful

Paul


Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

[Chuck McCown]

It appears to be as real as  your local building authority.  However someone 
said they think we are exempt as being similar to a public utility.  Still 
trying to track that down.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 8:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

is this for real?

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

  On 5/11/17 6:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Wow.



This is going to make data centers and electricians a boatload of money.



They will now require their own staff to do all the NOC work, you we
will pay them a trillion dollars an hour for mounting a server and
plugging it in.



Ads new light to the term ‘port connection fee’ ☹



And every home owner will have to hire an electrician to do every home
hookup unless we have staff and contractors doing the work at $80+ an hour.





  Blame the people who tried to use cat5 as power circuits for LED lights 
trying to skirt the need to hire an electrician.

  Your AHJ can strike or modify parts of the NEC when they adopt it, so you 
could try making a case to to whatever level of legislative body adopts 
codebooks in your neck of the woods.

  ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

[Steve Jones]

is this for real?

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 5/11/17 6:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>
>> Wow.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is going to make data centers and electricians a boatload of money.
>>
>>
>>
>> They will now require their own staff to do all the NOC work, you we
>> will pay them a trillion dollars an hour for mounting a server and
>> plugging it in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ads new light to the term ‘port connection fee’ ☹
>>
>>
>>
>> And every home owner will have to hire an electrician to do every home
>> hookup unless we have staff and contractors doing the work at $80+ an
>> hour.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Blame the people who tried to use cat5 as power circuits for LED lights
> trying to skirt the need to hire an electrician.
>
> Your AHJ can strike or modify parts of the NEC when they adopt it, so you
> could try making a case to to whatever level of legislative body adopts
> codebooks in your neck of the woods.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Steve Jones]

For employees whos role allows it, remote office/work from home has a lot
of value. I work from home1-3 days a week, that's got a lot of value. Just
make sure theres a response time requirement.
Company car/truck is pretty popular with a lot of people
Our industry puts us in a variety of businesses, you always have the option
to work a service discount in exchange for a discount on your service. 10
percent off eyeglasses if you have a optometrist customer, stuff like that.
club membership, Costco or Sams club type
time share access
all relatively inexpensive fringe


On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid vacation.
> I only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid holidays after
> 90 days, one week of paid vacation after one year of employment.
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> OK,
>>
>>
>>
>> Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need to start
>> addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some good “guys” and
>> don’t want to lose them because of not taking good care of them.  Most of
>> them are relatively young and health insurance hasn’t been needed, but its
>> still nice to have if I can find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many
>> other considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, my points of concern are:
>>
>>
>>
>> Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?,
>> what % of coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are
>> typically offered?
>>
>> 401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that
>> the company would match?, other create elements ?
>>
>> Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we
>> are not one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as a
>> benefit
>>
>> (one employee who climbs occasionally)
>> used to work for a tower company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
>>
>> Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one –
>> interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

[Seth Mattinen]

On 5/11/17 6:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Wow.



This is going to make data centers and electricians a boatload of money.



They will now require their own staff to do all the NOC work, you we
will pay them a trillion dollars an hour for mounting a server and
plugging it in.



Ads new light to the term ‘port connection fee’ ☹



And every home owner will have to hire an electrician to do every home
hookup unless we have staff and contractors doing the work at $80+ an hour.





Blame the people who tried to use cat5 as power circuits for LED lights 
trying to skirt the need to hire an electrician.


Your AHJ can strike or modify parts of the NEC when they adopt it, so 
you could try making a case to to whatever level of legislative body 
adopts codebooks in your neck of the woods.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Jeremy]

I would assume that you already provide paid holidays and paid vacation.  I
only have one employee and I provide this benefit.  Paid holidays after 90
days, one week of paid vacation after one year of employment.

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> OK,
>
>
>
> Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need to start
> addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some good “guys” and
> don’t want to lose them because of not taking good care of them.  Most of
> them are relatively young and health insurance hasn’t been needed, but its
> still nice to have if I can find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many
> other considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.
>
>
>
> So, my points of concern are:
>
>
>
> Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?,
> what % of coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are
> typically offered?
>
> 401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that
> the company would match?, other create elements ?
>
> Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are
> not one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as a
> benefit
>
> (one employee who climbs occasionally)
> used to work for a tower company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
>
> Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one –
> interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Cambium Link Planner

[Rory Conaway]

Adding Tree Obstructions

I've got a 6Km link with tree obstructions starting at 3Km for a 450 PTP link.  
I'd like to do this shot at 900Mhz.  I've got the obstructions in the table but 
how do you define the attenuation level if it's pine trees?

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

""Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features 
yet."- Scott Adams

Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

[Sterling Jacobson]

Wow.

This is going to make data centers and electricians a boatload of money.

They will now require their own staff to do all the NOC work, you we will pay 
them a trillion dollars an hour for mounting a server and plugging it in.

Ads new light to the term ‘port connection fee’ ☹

And every home owner will have to hire an electrician to do every home hookup 
unless we have staff and contractors doing the work at $80+ an hour.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 7:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

This could cause problems if true:
http://talkingpointz.com/the-2017-national-electrical-code-is-onerous/

Seems to me, the fire code rules and we are exempt, but I cannot find a 
citation to that.

Re: [AFMUG] owner vs employee staff valuation

[Sterling Jacobson]

I calculate that at about $45k to $120k depending on your network.

There either has to be an all in one guy that can monitor the network and 
respond to complicated issues correctly 24/7 ($120k guy), or one or more NOC 
techs ($45k) that can do that 24/7 and somehow bring you or someone capable on 
site, on time, every time, when something happens and pay per hour on top.

I found the latter to be nearly impossible to find, or a person willing to be 
the 24/7 guy without significant pay or ownership, or likely both.

That is the real key.

It’s hard for management, or partners, to wrap their head around this concept.

Until something horrible breaks, and no one is there to properly fix it for 
hours, and you lose a significant chunk of your customers/revenue over the 
incident(s).


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 7:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] owner vs employee staff valuation

$60K

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 12:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] owner vs employee staff valuation

I'm very curious, primarily from owners with admin staff about staff valuation. 
I'm a pretty critical guy here, I think a lot of that is due to the fact I 
don't spread my role freely. I'm the admin, , that's pretty straight forward. 
I'm the tier 3, or two, whichever you assign to tech support that actually 
solves problems or initiates disconnects that cant be resoled vi a call one.

We also do network support, I only really generate 5-20 billable hours on that. 
Not to be cocky, but a lot of those limited 5-20 is my efficiency... I'm really 
good at my job.


Last year I recommended dropping one of our techs, which freed up a ton of 
dough, gave us the option to go to serverplus. the frees uo a substantial 
amount of my tier 2/3 time (their tier1 is much more inclusive than ours,

We brought in a contractor on our ISP side to handle the BGP followed by IP6 
adoption.

Their continued support for the transit component of our network is not a 
terrible cost

What I have found is my cost to the company is substantially higher than a 
recurring contract with them.

Essentially, we offset the whole of the transit on our network and more with 
the ditching 0f the tech

That leaves me with pretty much posting to afmug for advice on new stuff.

We have "reliable" outsource site/tower guys

As an administrator, I genuinely think I found a route to replace myself with a 
substantial savings, with the exception of new product/technology exploration. 
a pretty good discount. Installers are just s cost, if we need more, we get 
more, like fish.

Assuming you guys have a guy for everything other than going to Afmug to get 
advice, how much is the afmug guy worth. ( I use the list just for example)

I know I'm not the first guy who found what on its face to be a highly cost 
effective solution to replace their "network guy" and found a flaw

whats the flaw?

[AFMUG] NEC heartburn

[Chuck McCown]

This could cause problems if true:
http://talkingpointz.com/the-2017-national-electrical-code-is-onerous/

Seems to me, the fire code rules and we are exempt, but I cannot find a 
citation to that.  

Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

[Seth Mattinen]

On 5/11/17 4:14 AM, David Coudron wrote:

We did initially give them a good charge, although I am thinking they
are not getting charged fully after testing a rundown.   We are watching
the currently going into the batteries with the TPDIN, and that is
showing zero current, but we are going to pull them off the system and
charge separately once to see how they react to that.   I am guessing
the MeanWells will take quite a while to charge those up fully.  We are
using 14 ga stranded wire between all components in the system, except
the AC feed.  That is solid copper.



What's your DC power supply voltage output set to?

Re: [AFMUG] owner vs employee staff valuation

[Chuck McCown]

$60K

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 12:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] owner vs employee staff valuation

I'm very curious, primarily from owners with admin staff about staff valuation. 
I'm a pretty critical guy here, I think a lot of that is due to the fact I 
don't spread my role freely. I'm the admin, , that's pretty straight forward. 
I'm the tier 3, or two, whichever you assign to tech support that actually 
solves problems or initiates disconnects that cant be resoled vi a call one.

We also do network support, I only really generate 5-20 billable hours on that. 
Not to be cocky, but a lot of those limited 5-20 is my efficiency... I'm really 
good at my job.


Last year I recommended dropping one of our techs, which freed up a ton of 
dough, gave us the option to go to serverplus. the frees uo a substantial 
amount of my tier 2/3 time (their tier1 is much more inclusive than ours,

We brought in a contractor on our ISP side to handle the BGP followed by IP6 
adoption.

Their continued support for the transit component of our network is not a 
terrible cost

What I have found is my cost to the company is substantially higher than a 
recurring contract with them.

Essentially, we offset the whole of the transit on our network and more with 
the ditching 0f the tech

That leaves me with pretty much posting to afmug for advice on new stuff.

We have "reliable" outsource site/tower guys

As an administrator, I genuinely think I found a route to replace myself with a 
substantial savings, with the exception of new product/technology exploration. 
a pretty good discount. Installers are just s cost, if we need more, we get 
more, like fish.

Assuming you guys have a guy for everything other than going to Afmug to get 
advice, how much is the afmug guy worth. ( I use the list just for example) 

I know I'm not the first guy who found what on its face to be a highly cost 
effective solution to replace their "network guy" and found a flaw

whats the flaw?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

[Chuck McCown]

I personally delivered 5 of my 8 kids at home.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 9:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

Im pretty sure its the mail man again, shes a pretty shady letter carrier :-) 

Ive grown up in an ems family, two paramedics, two emt  B and i was an emt I, 
two were also firefighters.

Twice now the douchenozzle OB refused to let my paramedic sister deliver for 
CE, note we are (were at the time)literally the most advanced ems system in the 
US. And this hospital was the primary training facility. We figure we will tell 
the OB doc we have this, we only need her for her bloodwork and ultrasound, if 
they wont give my sis the legally required joy, we will get a dulla or however 
you spell it and pop the kid in the living room, mother nature trumps modern 
science in this regard.


There have to be a few of you who popped yer youngins outside a hospital. 
Especially the guys who are joe smith fans. 3 times out i think we are the ones 
in charge.

On May 9, 2017 3:59 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

  I hope you know the source of the infection...if not...awkward... Conrats!

  On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:41 PM Darren Shea  wrote:

Even after seeing the stick, it didn’t quite register until I re-read 
everything you’d typed in this thread - clever! Congratulations!



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 10:56 AM


To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance




Hers the initial diagnostic output



On May 9, 2017 9:52 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

There is only one infected device. The malicious code that is replicating 
is directly attached to the command and control node. I know a lot of people 
would simply CleanSweep, but we just don't feel that is an appropriate step. 
There may be an IOT baby monitor that gets swept up in all this before its over 
in December. 

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:34 AM, David Milholen  wrote:

As any virus running on a network it has a pattern weather it be dormant on 
the network at times or not. 

Identify the pattern and where it is trying to phone home to and isolate it 
from phoning home. Then Clean sweep the machines you have control of.

The worst part of any of this is that IOT devices IE(ip cameras,dvrs, 
tempature monitors and others) are the real threat as they have weak basic code 
that is open to the network.

Isolation will be your best bet. This will prevent DDOS attacks on one 
front but doesnt stop new viruses from entering.





On 5/8/2017 10:34 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

  an addendum to this, there are two primay variants to the payload. One 
tends to be much more aggressive, a much more roughly defined code, not all 
that pretty, but ultimately very versatile and robust. The other is normally 
more elegant in design, but it tends to be visciously malicious, this is the 
one to be most concerned of. Its underlying code has started wars and destroyed 
nations



  On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Steve Jones  
wrote:

So this weekend I discovered a Trojan virus on my network. Sometime 
around January we had opted to remove an old firewall that had met its product 
life cycles end. We were still in the process of deciding whether to continue 
with temporary firewalls or look toward more robust input/output chain policies 
for a hardened, more permanent solution. In the mean time, of course, we 
continued to do the upload/download thing. We had some suspicion that there was 
something going on, we noted alot of broadcast storms, particularly in the 
mornings. The network had become particularly sluggish and there seemed to be 
alot of application bloat, initially i just attributed this to poor code 
maintenance resulting in a memory leak.

We did a basic Netstat this weekend and discovered a traffic anomaly. 
So we went to a professional and had them run a packet sniffer. We had 
verification of foreign code, likely for as long as 6-8 weeks.

It will be layer 3 in this case but its too early to tell whether this 
codes payload will be TCP or UDP, we will be monitoring as the code replicates. 
This is a pretty common virus, as a matter of fact we have all had it at one 
point, probably so long ago we dont even remember. We anticipate The fully 
formed packet chain to leave NAT mode and be fully routed out to the WAN in 
December.





-- 

[AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Paul McCall]

OK,

Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need to start 
addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some good "guys" and don't 
want to lose them because of not taking good care of them.  Most of them are 
relatively young and health insurance hasn't been needed, but its still nice to 
have if I can find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other 
considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.

So, my points of concern are:

Health Insurance - what creative options can be used?, what % 
of coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are typically 
offered?
401Ks - same type questions, is at a % contribution that the 
company would match?, other create elements ?
Life Insurance - I understand some tower companies (we are not 
one) - purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as a benefit
(one employee who climbs occasionally) used to 
work for a tower company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
Other benefits or perks - I feel this can be a big one - 
interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.

Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful

Paul


Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

[Mike Hammett]

If you're reaching an IPv6 destination, of course. No NAT is needed. If you're 
trying to reach an IPv4 destination, you'll need NAT. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Dave"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 8:10:53 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants 

Why Nat at all with IPV6? 



On 05/11/2017 07:51 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: 




You can do Carrier grade NAT with MT. 



Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 
MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE 

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net 
Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 
Office: 314-735-0270 
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 6:01 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants 




Many if not most of us are in the same box. I need a router that goes on the 
edge and does something similar to NAT64/ds lite etc. Someone is going to make 
good money by developing “IPV6 in a box” appliance and then come and install 
deploy. 



Dennis, are you listening... 






From: Sterling Jacobson 

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:54 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants 



Nothing at the moment, still dual stack IPv4 and IPv6 

Also interested if someone has figured this out with a half decent solution as 
I need to purchase another /22 this year. 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Chris Wright 
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:51 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants 

I’m weighing the pros/cons of purchasing another block of IPv4 at auction or 
finding a NAT64 solution that will enable me to start handing IPv6 addresses to 
customers and know they’ll be able to get to IPv4 internet without issue. 
Mikrotik doesn’t seem too concerned with implementing NAT64, so I’d be looking 
at adding complexity to my network if I go that direction. On the other hand, I 
don’t like spending thousands of dollars on antiquated address space if I can 
help it. I’d rather do my part in moving IP standards forward instead of 
staying stuck in the past. 

What’s working for you all? 

Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 




-- 

Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

[Dave]

Why Nat at all with IPV6?


On 05/11/2017 07:51 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:


You can do Carrier grade NAT with MT.

*/_Dennis Burgess_/**–**Network Solution Engineer – Consultant ***

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
 – 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE


For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net 



Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 



Office: 314-735-0270

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 6:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

Many if not most of us are in the same box.  I need a router that goes 
on the edge and does something similar to NAT64/ds lite etc.  Someone 
is going to make good money by developing “IPV6 in a box” appliance 
and then come and install deploy.


Dennis, are you listening...

*From:*Sterling Jacobson

*Sent:*Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:54 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

Nothing at the moment, still dual stack IPv4 and IPv6

Also interested if someone has figured this out with a half decent 
solution as I need to purchase another /22 this year.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

I’m weighing the pros/cons of purchasing another block of IPv4 at 
auction or finding a NAT64 solution that will enable me to start 
handing IPv6 addresses to customers and know they’ll be able to get to 
IPv4 internet without issue. Mikrotik doesn’t seem too concerned with 
implementing NAT64, so I’d be looking at adding complexity to my 
network if I go that direction. On the other hand, I don’t like 
spending thousands of dollars on antiquated address space if I can 
help it. I’d rather do my part in moving IP standards forward instead 
of staying stuck in the past.


What’s working for you all?

Chris Wright

Network Administrator



--

Re: [AFMUG] 450 APs

[Dave]

The 450 Radio is still in that box design but the 450i smaller form 
factor but same hole pattern for sure. We used one the other day for a 
KP antenna using 450i and the mtow you are showing.


In fact I need to order a few of those.

Keep Kalm And Cambium ON!


On 05/10/2017 09:34 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I just got an order for a bunch of these:
http://www.mccowntech.com/800-m-tow-450-cambium-450-ap-tower-mount/
and these:
http://www.mccowntech.com/800-m-tow-angle-450-cambium-450-ap-angle-iron-tower-mount/
I just want to make sure this is the current and will be the current 
450 AP form factor.

For some reason I thought Cambium was moving away from this design.
I just don’t want to sell something to a distributor that may end up 
being stale product.

Is this still what the 450 AP looks like?


--

Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

[Dennis Burgess]

You can do Carrier grade NAT with MT.


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 6:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

Many if not most of us are in the same box.  I need a router that goes on the 
edge and does something similar to NAT64/ds lite etc.  Someone is going to make 
good money by developing “IPV6 in a box” appliance and then come and install 
deploy.

Dennis, are you listening...

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

Nothing at the moment, still dual stack IPv4 and IPv6

Also interested if someone has figured this out with a half decent solution as 
I need to purchase another /22 this year.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

I’m weighing the pros/cons of purchasing another block of IPv4 at auction or 
finding a NAT64 solution that will enable me to start handing IPv6 addresses to 
customers and know they’ll be able to get to IPv4 internet without issue. 
Mikrotik doesn’t seem too concerned with implementing NAT64, so I’d be looking 
at adding complexity to my network if I go that direction. On the other hand, I 
don’t like spending thousands of dollars on antiquated address space if I can 
help it. I’d rather do my part in moving IP standards forward instead of 
staying stuck in the past.

What’s working for you all?

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

[Dennis Burgess]

MikroTik can deploy Ipv6, just not NAT64.  ☹ We usually rely on Natting ipv4 
privates and handing out ipv6 publics.


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 6:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

Many if not most of us are in the same box.  I need a router that goes on the 
edge and does something similar to NAT64/ds lite etc.  Someone is going to make 
good money by developing “IPV6 in a box” appliance and then come and install 
deploy.

Dennis, are you listening...

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

Nothing at the moment, still dual stack IPv4 and IPv6

Also interested if someone has figured this out with a half decent solution as 
I need to purchase another /22 this year.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

I’m weighing the pros/cons of purchasing another block of IPv4 at auction or 
finding a NAT64 solution that will enable me to start handing IPv6 addresses to 
customers and know they’ll be able to get to IPv4 internet without issue. 
Mikrotik doesn’t seem too concerned with implementing NAT64, so I’d be looking 
at adding complexity to my network if I go that direction. On the other hand, I 
don’t like spending thousands of dollars on antiquated address space if I can 
help it. I’d rather do my part in moving IP standards forward instead of 
staying stuck in the past.

What’s working for you all?

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

Re: [AFMUG] Openfire/trillian

[Mike Hammett]

I paid for Trillian a long time ago... and it isn't even running on my PC 
anymore. Everything in it is dead. 

I do have about 10 different Slack teams I'm in, though. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Keefe John"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 7:30:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Openfire/trillian 

Slack or rocketchat 


On May 11, 2017 4:28:45 AM CDT, Josh Reynolds  wrote: 


Slack. Slack slack slack. SLACK! 


:P 


(Or Ryver!) 


- Josh 


On May 10, 2017 10:46 PM, "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I finally talked the boss into converting ro trillian from spark for our 
openfire server. I actually purchased the trillian client livetime licence for 
myself its so perfect. Probably would move the whole unified to trillian if 
openfire wasnt so free and easy to manage. The only drawback to trillian, aside 
from not owning the server for free is mack addresses defalt to emojis iunless 
you configure the client otherwise 




-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. 

Re: [AFMUG] Openfire/trillian

[Keefe John]

Slack or rocketchat

On May 11, 2017 4:28:45 AM CDT, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>Slack. Slack slack slack. SLACK!
>
>:P
>
>(Or Ryver!)
>
>- Josh
>
>On May 10, 2017 10:46 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>wrote:
>
>> I finally talked the boss into converting ro trillian from spark for
>our
>> openfire server. I actually purchased the trillian client livetime
>licence
>> for myself its so perfect. Probably would move the whole unified to
>> trillian if openfire wasnt so free and easy to manage. The only
>drawback to
>> trillian, aside from not owning the server for free is mack addresses
>> defalt to emojis iunless you configure the client otherwise
>>

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

[David Coudron]

We did initially give them a good charge, although I am thinking they are not 
getting charged fully after testing a rundown.   We are watching the currently 
going into the batteries with the TPDIN, and that is showing zero current, but 
we are going to pull them off the system and charge separately once to see how 
they react to that.   I am guessing the MeanWells will take quite a while to 
charge those up fully.  We are using 14 ga stranded wire between all components 
in the system, except the AC feed.  That is solid copper.

Thanks,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc. [cid:image001.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0] 
   
[cid:image002.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0]    
[cid:image003.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0]    
[cid:image004.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0] 
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |  
www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  
Local: 612-454-1545

[cid:image010.jpg@01D2CA1D.CFA5D620]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 10:45 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MeanWell DR-UPS40 question

Did you charge batteries? What kind of wire are you using? Not familiar with 
these...let me look them up...we use Pulz and Phoenix Contact version mostly.

On May 10, 2017 9:28 PM, "David Coudron" 
> wrote:
We have received our first batch of these and have a prototype cabinet set up.  
 We have the SDR-240-24 PSU with the Meanwell DR-UPS40 hooked up in the 
following block diagram.   We have a Netonix Ws-12-250-DC switch as load with a 
TPDIN-Monitor-Web2 in the middle monitoring everything.  When testing AC power 
outage, we are seeing the DR-UPS40 go to  Bat Fail at about 21V and the whole 
thing shuts down killing power to the Netonix.Since the Netonix can go 
quite a bit lower on the voltage, we’d like to see the DR-UPS40 let the 
batteries go a little longer.   Is this the same behavior others see?   Can the 
DR-UPS40 be adjusted to allow the voltage to go lower, or should the DR-UPS40 
be taken out of the circuit so that when it shuts off the Netonix still runs 
since it will go lower on voltage and shut off by itself anyway?

[cid:image011.png@01D2CA1D.CFA057E0]

Thanks,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc. [cid:image001.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0] 
   
[cid:image002.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0]    
[cid:image003.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0]    
[cid:image004.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0] 
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |  
www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 
800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545

[cid:image016.jpg@01D2CA1D.CFA057E0]

Re: [AFMUG] owner vs employee staff valuation

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Someone has to be responsible for the whole network, current and future.  Not 
sure you can really contract that out.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On May 11, 2017, at 2:15 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> I'm very curious, primarily from owners with admin staff about staff 
> valuation. I'm a pretty critical guy here, I think a lot of that is due to 
> the fact I don't spread my role freely. I'm the admin, , that's pretty 
> straight forward. I'm the tier 3, or two, whichever you assign to tech 
> support that actually solves problems or initiates disconnects that cant be 
> resoled vi a call one.
> 
> We also do network support, I only really generate 5-20 billable hours on 
> that. Not to be cocky, but a lot of those limited 5-20 is my efficiency... 
> I'm really good at my job.
> 
> 
> Last year I recommended dropping one of our techs, which freed up a ton of 
> dough, gave us the option to go to serverplus. the frees uo a substantial 
> amount of my tier 2/3 time (their tier1 is much more inclusive than ours,
> 
> We brought in a contractor on our ISP side to handle the BGP followed by IP6 
> adoption.
> 
> Their continued support for the transit component of our network is not a 
> terrible cost
> 
> What I have found is my cost to the company is substantially higher than a 
> recurring contract with them.
> 
> Essentially, we offset the whole of the transit on our network and more with 
> the ditching 0f the tech
> 
> That leaves me with pretty much posting to afmug for advice on new stuff.
> 
> We have "reliable" outsource site/tower guys
> 
> As an administrator, I genuinely think I found a route to replace myself with 
> a substantial savings, with the exception of new product/technology 
> exploration. a pretty good discount. Installers are just s cost, if we need 
> more, we get more, like fish.
> 
> Assuming you guys have a guy for everything other than going to Afmug to get 
> advice, how much is the afmug guy worth. ( I use the list just for example) 
> 
> I know I'm not the first guy who found what on its face to be a highly cost 
> effective solution to replace their "network guy" and found a flaw
> 
> whats the flaw?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Openfire/trillian

[Josh Reynolds]

Slack. Slack slack slack. SLACK!

:P

(Or Ryver!)

- Josh

On May 10, 2017 10:46 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> I finally talked the boss into converting ro trillian from spark for our
> openfire server. I actually purchased the trillian client livetime licence
> for myself its so perfect. Probably would move the whole unified to
> trillian if openfire wasnt so free and easy to manage. The only drawback to
> trillian, aside from not owning the server for free is mack addresses
> defalt to emojis iunless you configure the client otherwise
>

Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

What will force the transition is the moment that google and/or some other
large provider starts to provide certain services only via IPv6.

It would not surprise me to see this start occurring by certain providers
for certain desirable but not-core-business services.

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I want there to be a two day world wide event where we disable all hosted
> IPv4 routing.
>
>
>
> Then we’ll see which hosting services are stuck in the 1990’s and need to
> upgrade immediately to IPv6.
>
>
>
> That is what is stopping us.
>
>
>
> And ISP, upstream providers not handling IPv6 transport or BGP IPv6…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 8:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants
>
>
>
> I want to just give the customer a V6 and the edge appliance will nat the
> v4 only destinations.
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul Stewart
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 6:45 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Putting on big boy IPv6 pants
>
>
>
> We dual stack and will continue as long as possible …   really hoping to
> avoid transition stuff but who knows for sure if that’s just a pipe dream
> or not ;)
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:
>
>
>
> I’m weighing the pros/cons of purchasing another block of IPv4 at auction
> or finding a NAT64 solution that will enable me to start handing IPv6
> addresses to customers and know they’ll be able to get to IPv4 internet
> without issue. Mikrotik doesn’t seem too concerned with implementing NAT64,
> so I’d be looking at adding complexity to my network if I go that
> direction. On the other hand, I don’t like spending thousands of dollars on
> antiquated address space if I can help it. I’d rather do my part in moving
> IP standards forward instead of staying stuck in the past.
>
>
>
> What’s working for you all?
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

[AFMUG] owner vs employee staff valuation

[Steve Jones]

I'm very curious, primarily from owners with admin staff about staff
valuation. I'm a pretty critical guy here, I think a lot of that is due to
the fact I don't spread my role freely. I'm the admin, , that's pretty
straight forward. I'm the tier 3, or two, whichever you assign to tech
support that actually solves problems or initiates disconnects that cant be
resoled vi a call one.

We also do network support, I only really generate 5-20 billable hours on
that. Not to be cocky, but a lot of those limited 5-20 is my efficiency...
I'm really good at my job.


Last year I recommended dropping one of our techs, which freed up a ton of
dough, gave us the option to go to serverplus. the frees uo a substantial
amount of my tier 2/3 time (their tier1 is much more inclusive than ours,

We brought in a contractor on our ISP side to handle the BGP followed by
IP6 adoption.

Their continued support for the transit component of our network is not a
terrible cost

What I have found is my cost to the company is substantially higher than a
recurring contract with them.

Essentially, we offset the whole of the transit on our network and more
with the ditching 0f the tech

That leaves me with pretty much posting to afmug for advice on new stuff.

We have "reliable" outsource site/tower guys

As an administrator, I genuinely think I found a route to replace myself
with a substantial savings, with the exception of new product/technology
exploration. a pretty good discount. Installers are just s cost, if we need
more, we get more, like fish.

Assuming you guys have a guy for everything other than going to Afmug to
get advice, how much is the afmug guy worth. ( I use the list just for
example)

I know I'm not the first guy who found what on its face to be a highly cost
effective solution to replace their "network guy" and found a flaw

whats the flaw?