Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Ken Hohhof]

haha, traumatized at a young age by wireless.

FWIW, he appears on a Youtube video from a few years back.  Seems like your 
typical nerdy kid who becomes a flamethrower-wielding asshole in his online 
persona.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9-90P58edQ


From: Glen Waldrop 
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

"Certain people get to be assholes. The genius engineer who fixes the 
unfixable, the guy who gets you the budget dollars you need, and management. 
Has this guy earned his asshole-aura or is he an entitled management shit? No 
idea.

That being said, he's had a bad experience with wireless and it shows. I'm 
thinking...

The sun comes up on a red brick house, young Adam Armstrong and his family 
having breakfast before starting their day
Adam: Why do you look so sad daddy? You're quiet this morning...
Dad(Frank): Well Adam, daddy is probably going to be losing his job.
Mom(Cheryl): Frank...
Dad: No, it's fine. He can take it. You see Adam, some times things in life 
don't work out. No matter how hard you try, how many cables you terminate, it 
just isn't good enough.
Adam: But you work so hard! You're always talking about cats!
Dad: I know, Adam. But the young guys come in...they don't need cats, they 
don't need the cables I've spent my life auto-negotiating. They just need this 
new...wireless crap...
Adam: Wireless?! That's neat!
Dad: NO IT'S NOT ADAM! IT'S NOT NEAT. YOU CAN'T CONTROL WIRELESS. IT BOUNCES 
OFF STUFF...DID YOU KNOW THAT?!
Mom: That's enough, Frank!
Dad: I'm sorry...I didn't mean to yell. It's just...we won't be able to go to 
Six Flags this year but I suppose work will come back. I mean, I'll always have 
the data center...right?

and scene"





  - Original Message ----- 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

  https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/31rbir/goodbye_observium/

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Apr 7, 2015 1:56 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

And it is pretty good stuff too.

-Original Message----- From: Ken Hohhof
    Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

In related news, PRTG apparently is now free up to 100 sensors.

-Original Message----- From: Paul Stewart
    Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he
clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own
his product or might be looking at his product?

Given his public "bitching" about a certain market share that he clearly
doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore*
business - that's for sure!  Why would I want to associate myself with an
immature, unprofessional, "little kid" ?

-p


-Original Message-
    From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum.  Its an EPIC meltdown.  The
guy has just literally lost his marbles.


https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3

Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post
by Adam.  I guess we are irrelevant...

--
"Let me put this another way.

You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing
toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but
it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all
interest in catering to your requirements.

It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of
our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best
sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days.

At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to
inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you
don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level
of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those
WISPs.

Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic
failures at comprehendin

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Glen Waldrop]

"Certain people get to be assholes. The genius engineer who fixes the 
unfixable, the guy who gets you the budget dollars you need, and management. 
Has this guy earned his asshole-aura or is he an entitled management shit? No 
idea.

That being said, he's had a bad experience with wireless and it shows. I'm 
thinking...

The sun comes up on a red brick house, young Adam Armstrong and his family 
having breakfast before starting their day
Adam: Why do you look so sad daddy? You're quiet this morning...
Dad(Frank): Well Adam, daddy is probably going to be losing his job.
Mom(Cheryl): Frank...
Dad: No, it's fine. He can take it. You see Adam, some times things in life 
don't work out. No matter how hard you try, how many cables you terminate, it 
just isn't good enough.
Adam: But you work so hard! You're always talking about cats!
Dad: I know, Adam. But the young guys come in...they don't need cats, they 
don't need the cables I've spent my life auto-negotiating. They just need this 
new...wireless crap...
Adam: Wireless?! That's neat!
Dad: NO IT'S NOT ADAM! IT'S NOT NEAT. YOU CAN'T CONTROL WIRELESS. IT BOUNCES 
OFF STUFF...DID YOU KNOW THAT?!
Mom: That's enough, Frank!
Dad: I'm sorry...I didn't mean to yell. It's just...we won't be able to go to 
Six Flags this year but I suppose work will come back. I mean, I'll always have 
the data center...right?

and scene"





  - Original Message ----- 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS


  https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/31rbir/goodbye_observium/

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Apr 7, 2015 1:56 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

And it is pretty good stuff too.

-Original Message----- From: Ken Hohhof
    Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

In related news, PRTG apparently is now free up to 100 sensors.

-Original Message----- From: Paul Stewart
    Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he
clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own
his product or might be looking at his product?

Given his public "bitching" about a certain market share that he clearly
doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore*
business - that's for sure!  Why would I want to associate myself with an
immature, unprofessional, "little kid" ?

-p


-Original Message-
    From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum.  Its an EPIC meltdown.  The
guy has just literally lost his marbles.


https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3

Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post
by Adam.  I guess we are irrelevant...

--
"Let me put this another way.

You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing
toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but
it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all
interest in catering to your requirements.

It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of
our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best
sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days.

At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to
inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you
don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level
of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those
WISPs.

Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic
failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this
nonsense happened.

    Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face!"



- Original Message -
From: "Glen Waldrop" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

He's going to be making friends all over with s

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)]

Ha, Ken you crack me up almost every day. I love it.

On 4/7/2015 9:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
They refer to him as Adama.  As in Commander Adama from Battlestar 
Galactica?

*From:* Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/31rbir/goodbye_observium/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 7, 2015 1:56 PM, "Chuck McCown" <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


And it is pretty good stuff too.

-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

In related news, PRTG apparently is now free up to 100 sensors.

-Original Message- From: Paul Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer
base he
clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who
already own
his product or might be looking at his product?

Given his public "bitching" about a certain market share that he
clearly
doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him
*anymore*
business - that's for sure!  Why would I want to associate myself
with an
immature, unprofessional, "little kid" ?

-p


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum.  Its an EPIC
meltdown.  The
    guy has just literally lost his marbles.


https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3

Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice
entry post
by Adam.  I guess we are irrelevant...

--
"Let me put this another way.

You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing
toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively
effect me, but
it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has
lost all
interest in catering to your requirements.

It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less
than 1% of
our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had
the best
sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days.

At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and
deciding to
inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves
because you
don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you
to a level
of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those
WISPs.

Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic
failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that
this
nonsense happened.

Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face!"



- Original Message -
From: "Glen Waldrop" mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this...


[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless
industry seems
to be rammed full of overly entitled douches



    - Original Message -  From: That One Guy /sarcasm
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS


I like this observium guy

On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, "Jon Auer" mailto:j...@tapodi.net>> wrote:

   Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no
wisp gear
has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet
equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and
grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're
like,
that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on.
Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want
the drunk
to get lost and he just 

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Ken Hohhof]

They refer to him as Adama.  As in Commander Adama from Battlestar Galactica?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/31rbir/goodbye_observium/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 7, 2015 1:56 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  And it is pretty good stuff too.

  -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:55 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

  In related news, PRTG apparently is now free up to 100 sensors.

  -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart
  Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

  So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he
  clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own
  his product or might be looking at his product?

  Given his public "bitching" about a certain market share that he clearly
  doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore*
  business - that's for sure!  Why would I want to associate myself with an
  immature, unprofessional, "little kid" ?

  -p


  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur
  Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

  He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum.  Its an EPIC meltdown.  The
  guy has just literally lost his marbles.

  
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3

  Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post
  by Adam.  I guess we are irrelevant...

  --
  "Let me put this another way.

  You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing
  toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but
  it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all
  interest in catering to your requirements.

  It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of
  our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best
  sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days.

  At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to
  inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you
  don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level
  of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those
  WISPs.

  Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic
  failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this
  nonsense happened.

  Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face!"



  - Original Message -
  From: "Glen Waldrop" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

  He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this...


  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems
  to be rammed full of overly entitled douches



  - Original Message -  From: That One Guy /sarcasm
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS


  I like this observium guy

  On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, "Jon Auer"  wrote:

 Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear
  has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet
  equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and
  grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like,
  that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on.
  Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk
  to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint.


 That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's
  volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked.
 We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us
  are the client from hell.


 What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming
  from...
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:18:33] While I completely
  understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period...
  wasn't that a bit of an overreaction?
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking
  idea
 

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Josh Luthman]

https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/31rbir/goodbye_observium/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 7, 2015 1:56 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> And it is pretty good stuff too.
>
> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:55 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
> In related news, PRTG apparently is now free up to 100 sensors.
>
> -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart
> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
> So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he
> clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own
> his product or might be looking at his product?
>
> Given his public "bitching" about a certain market share that he clearly
> doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore*
> business - that's for sure!  Why would I want to associate myself with an
> immature, unprofessional, "little kid" ?
>
> -p
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur
> Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
> He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum.  Its an EPIC meltdown.
> The
> guy has just literally lost his marbles.
>
> https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-
> Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3
>
> Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry
> post
> by Adam.  I guess we are irrelevant...
>
> --
> "Let me put this another way.
>
> You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing
> toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but
> it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all
> interest in catering to your requirements.
>
> It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of
> our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best
> sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days.
>
> At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to
> inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because
> you
> don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a
> level
> of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those
> WISPs.
>
> Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic
> failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this
> nonsense happened.
>
> Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face!"
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Glen Waldrop" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
> He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this...
>
>
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems
> to be rammed full of overly entitled douches
>
>
>
>  - Original Message -  From: That One Guy /sarcasm
>  To: af@afmug.com
>  Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM
>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
>
>  I like this observium guy
>
>  On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, "Jon Auer"  wrote:
>
>Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear
> has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet
> equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and
> grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like,
> that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on.
> Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the
> drunk
> to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint.
>
>
>That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's
> volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked.
>We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us
> are the client from hell.
>
>
>What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming
> from...
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:18:33] While I completely
> understand that you're the author and shit, 

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Chuck McCown]

And it is pretty good stuff too.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

In related news, PRTG apparently is now free up to 100 sensors.

-Original Message- 
From: Paul Stewart

Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he
clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own
his product or might be looking at his product?

Given his public "bitching" about a certain market share that he clearly
doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore*
business - that's for sure!  Why would I want to associate myself with an
immature, unprofessional, "little kid" ?

-p


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum.  Its an EPIC meltdown.  The
guy has just literally lost his marbles.

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3

Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post
by Adam.  I guess we are irrelevant...

--
"Let me put this another way.

You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing
toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but
it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all
interest in catering to your requirements.

It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of
our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best
sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days.

At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to
inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you
don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level
of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those
WISPs.

Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic
failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this
nonsense happened.

Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face!"



- Original Message -
From: "Glen Waldrop" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this...


[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems
to be rammed full of overly entitled douches



 - Original Message ----- 
 From: That One Guy /sarcasm

 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS


 I like this observium guy

 On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, "Jon Auer"  wrote:

   Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear
has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet
equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and
grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like,
that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on.
Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk
to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint.


   That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's
volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked.
   We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us
are the client from hell.


   What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming
from...
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:18:33] While I completely
understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period...
wasn't that a bit of an overreaction?
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking
idea
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:05] I don't, it's true.
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:06] these people will not
take no for an answer
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:07] they go on
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:08] and on
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:09] and on
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:10] and on
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like,
look away from the screen?
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT,

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Adam Moffett]

I hate that they bill that per "sensor".

On 4/7/2015 1:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

In related news, PRTG apparently is now free up to 100 sensors.

-Original Message- From: Paul Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base 
he clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who 
already own his product or might be looking at his product?


Given his public "bitching" about a certain market share that he 
clearly doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him 
*anymore* business - that's for sure!  Why would I want to associate 
myself with an immature, unprofessional, "little kid" ?


-p


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum.  Its an EPIC 
meltdown.  The guy has just literally lost his marbles.


https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3 



Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice 
entry post by Adam.  I guess we are irrelevant...


--
"Let me put this another way.

You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing 
toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect 
me, but it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, 
has lost all interest in catering to your requirements.


It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 
1% of our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had 
the best sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days.


At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding 
to inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves 
because you don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it 
hurts you to a level of which I would be incable whilst having no 
negative effects on those WISPs.


Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic 
failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that 
this nonsense happened.


Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face!"



- Original Message -----
From: "Glen Waldrop" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this...


[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry 
seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches




 - Original Message -----  From: That One Guy /sarcasm
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS


 I like this observium guy

 On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, "Jon Auer"  wrote:

   Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp 
gear has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the 
internet equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in 
the bar and grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. 
You're like, that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night 
goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you 
want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint.



   That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's 
volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely 
provoked.
   We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of 
us are the client from hell.



   What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming 
from...
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:18:33] While I completely 
understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. 
period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction?
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:18:56] BenA: you have no 
fucking idea

   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:05] I don't, it's true.
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:06] these people will 
not take no for an answer

   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:07] they go on
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:08] and on
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:09] and on
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:10] and on
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, 
like, look away from the screen?
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, 
MILLIONS OF USERS, PLZ

   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> 

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Chuck McCown]

Not only that, folks not from this market will find this content when 
googling the product.  I would never buy anything from anyone that acted 
like he did.  His rant will never go away.


-Original Message- 
From: Paul Stewart

Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he 
clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own 
his product or might be looking at his product?


Given his public "bitching" about a certain market share that he clearly 
doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore* 
business - that's for sure!  Why would I want to associate myself with an 
immature, unprofessional, "little kid" ?


-p


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum.  Its an EPIC meltdown.  The 
guy has just literally lost his marbles.


https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3

Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post 
by Adam.  I guess we are irrelevant...


--
"Let me put this another way.

You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing 
toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but 
it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all 
interest in catering to your requirements.


It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of 
our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best 
sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days.


At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to 
inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you 
don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level 
of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those 
WISPs.


Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic 
failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this 
nonsense happened.


Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face!"



- Original Message -
From: "Glen Waldrop" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this...


[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems 
to be rammed full of overly entitled douches




 - Original Message ----- 
 From: That One Guy /sarcasm

 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS


 I like this observium guy

 On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, "Jon Auer"  wrote:

   Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear 
has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet 
equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and 
grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, 
that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. 
Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk 
to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint.



   That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's 
volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked.
   We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us 
are the client from hell.



   What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming 
from...
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:18:33] While I completely 
understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... 
wasn't that a bit of an overreaction?
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking 
idea

   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:05] I don't, it's true.
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:06] these people will not 
take no for an answer

   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:07] they go on
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:08] and on
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:09] and on
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:10] and on
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, 
look away from the screen?
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS 
OF USERS, PLZ

   [2015-04-

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Ken Hohhof]

In related news, PRTG apparently is now free up to 100 sensors.

-Original Message- 
From: Paul Stewart

Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he 
clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own 
his product or might be looking at his product?


Given his public "bitching" about a certain market share that he clearly 
doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore* 
business - that's for sure!  Why would I want to associate myself with an 
immature, unprofessional, "little kid" ?


-p


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum.  Its an EPIC meltdown.  The 
guy has just literally lost his marbles.


https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3

Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post 
by Adam.  I guess we are irrelevant...


--
"Let me put this another way.

You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing 
toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but 
it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all 
interest in catering to your requirements.


It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of 
our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best 
sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days.


At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to 
inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you 
don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level 
of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those 
WISPs.


Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic 
failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this 
nonsense happened.


Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face!"



- Original Message -
From: "Glen Waldrop" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this...


[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems 
to be rammed full of overly entitled douches




 - Original Message ----- 
 From: That One Guy /sarcasm

 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS


 I like this observium guy

 On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, "Jon Auer"  wrote:

   Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear 
has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet 
equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and 
grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, 
that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. 
Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk 
to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint.



   That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's 
volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked.
   We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us 
are the client from hell.



   What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming 
from...
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:18:33] While I completely 
understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... 
wasn't that a bit of an overreaction?
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking 
idea

   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:05] I don't, it's true.
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:06] these people will not 
take no for an answer

   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:07] they go on
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:08] and on
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:09] and on
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:10] and on
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, 
look away from the screen?
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS 
OF USERS, PLZ

   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:32] couldn't you?
   [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:38] Ask him if he

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Paul Stewart]

So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he 
clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own his 
product or might be looking at his product?

Given his public "bitching" about a certain market share that he clearly 
doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore* 
business - that's for sure!  Why would I want to associate myself with an 
immature, unprofessional, "little kid" ?

-p


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum.  Its an EPIC meltdown.  The 
guy has just literally lost his marbles.  

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3

Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post by 
Adam.  I guess we are irrelevant...

--
"Let me put this another way.

You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing 
toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but it 
has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all 
interest in catering to your requirements.

It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of our 
user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best sales day 
today that we've had in the past 30 days. 

At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to 
inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you 
don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level of 
which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those  WISPs.

Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic failures 
at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this nonsense 
happened.

Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face!"



- Original Message -
From: "Glen Waldrop" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this...


[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to 
be rammed full of overly entitled douches



  - Original Message ----- 
  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS


  I like this observium guy

  On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, "Jon Auer"  wrote:

Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear 
has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet 
equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing 
your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her 
choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you 
snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just 
isn't taking the hint.


That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's 
volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked.
We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are 
the client from hell.


What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from...
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:18:33] While I completely understand 
that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a 
bit of an overreaction?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking 
idea
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:05] I don't, it's true.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:06] these people will not take 
no for an answer
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:07] they go on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:08] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:09] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:10] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look 
away from the screen?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS OF 
USERS, PLZ
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:32] couldn't you?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay.  
if he doesn't, ignore?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:46] oh, they all say they want 
to pay
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:49] Ah.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Observium Connoisseur]

He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum.  Its an EPIC meltdown.  The 
guy has just literally lost his marbles.  

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3

Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post by 
Adam.  I guess we are irrelevant...

--
"Let me put this another way.

You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing 
toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but it 
has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all 
interest in catering to your requirements.

It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of our 
user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best sales day 
today that we've had in the past 30 days. 

At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to 
inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you 
don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level of 
which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those  WISPs.

Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic failures 
at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this nonsense 
happened.

Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face!"



- Original Message -
From: "Glen Waldrop" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this...


[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to 
be rammed full of overly entitled douches



  - Original Message - 
  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS


  I like this observium guy

  On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, "Jon Auer"  wrote:

Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear 
has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet 
equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing 
your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her 
choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you 
snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just 
isn't taking the hint.


That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's 
volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked.
We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are 
the client from hell.


What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from...
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:18:33] While I completely understand 
that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a 
bit of an overreaction?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking 
idea
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:05] I don't, it's true.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:06] these people will not take 
no for an answer
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:07] they go on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:08] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:09] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:10] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look 
away from the screen?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS OF 
USERS, PLZ
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:32] couldn't you?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay.  
if he doesn't, ignore?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:46] oh, they all say they want 
to pay
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:49] Ah.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:10] but when they realise it 
costs more than $5...
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:20:15] Right.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems 
to be rammed full of overly entitled douches
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally 
justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:00] every new MODEL they release 
has to come with an entirely new set of mibs
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:04] it's ridiculous
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:21:11] You're a victim

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[WaveDirect]

No trust me he went off on his own like a 12 year old kid.  I in no way was 
badgering him or anything of the like.  I offered to send him some radios and 
ap's about 6 months ago to see if he'd be willing to look at them.  He didn't 
want them.  But I saw he was adding trango apex stuff and some cambium support 
over the last few months which is why I asked him if he would be supporting any 
more. He just went off on me for no reason.  He has said in the past the fact 
nobody used the same mibs pissed him off but I thought we was taking it one 
case at a time.  

I even asked if contributing a couple thousand $$ would help (about 6 months 
ago) and he just laughed and said he'd take the money but he'll still work on 
whatever he wanted to.  That guy is just a nobody DB who'll end up in a gutter 
with no friends eventually. Let him continue to lose support in the WISP 
industry.  We've moved on.  Libre NMS is a good alternative for the light 
monitoring we need for some things.  It definitely lacks a few features and is 
a little behind but it does the job.  I'm always more willing to be patient and 
helpful to people who are trying and are open to new ideas/features.   

- Original Message -
From: "Jon Auer" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 6:52:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear
has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet
equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and
grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like,
that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on.
Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the
drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint.

That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's
volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked.
We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are
the client from hell.

What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from...
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:18:33] While I completely understand
that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't
that a bit of an overreaction?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking
idea
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:05] I don't, it's true.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:06] these people will not take
no for an answer
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:07] they go on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:08] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:09] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:10] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look
away from the screen?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS OF
USERS, PLZ
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:32] couldn't you?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay.
 if he doesn't, ignore?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:46] *oh, they all say they want
to pay*
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:49] Ah.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:10] *but when they realise it
costs more than $5...*
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:20:15] Right.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems
to be rammed full of overly entitled douches
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally
justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:00] every new MODEL they release
has to come with an entirely new set of mibs
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:04] it's ridiculous
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:21:11] You're a victim of your own
success.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:23] and none of these people
will ever listen when you tell them
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:32] adn they just keep coming
back and coming back
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:35] *he's asked here a few times*
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:40] *and we've had these
conversations on the mailing list*
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:44] *and god knows what else*
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:02] and you'd think
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:03] when someone says
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:07] "fuck off, it's not going to
happen"
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:13] yo

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Glen Waldrop]

I haven't thought of elementary school in a long time... lol


  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Hohhof 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 3:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS


  I know you are, but what am I?
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOGWbzUM-y8

  From: Glen Waldrop 
  Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 2:19 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

  He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this...


  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to 
be rammed full of overly entitled douches



- Original Message - 
From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

I like this observium guy

On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, "Jon Auer"  wrote:

  Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear 
has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet 
equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing 
your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her 
choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you 
snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just 
isn't taking the hint. 

  That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's 
volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked.
  We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us 
are the client from hell.

  What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from...
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:18:33] While I completely 
understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... 
wasn't that a bit of an overreaction?
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking 
idea
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:05] I don't, it's true.
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:06] these people will not take 
no for an answer
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:07] they go on
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:08] and on
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:09] and on
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:10] and on
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, 
look away from the screen?
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS 
OF USERS, PLZ
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:32] couldn't you?
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay.  
if he doesn't, ignore?
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:46] oh, they all say they want 
to pay
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:49] Ah.
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:10] but when they realise it 
costs more than $5...
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:20:15] Right.
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry 
seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally 
justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:00] every new MODEL they 
release has to come with an entirely new set of mibs
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:04] it's ridiculous
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:21:11] You're a victim of your own 
success.
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:23] and none of these people 
will ever listen when you tell them
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:32] adn they just keep coming 
back and coming back
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:35] he's asked here a few times
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:40] and we've had these 
conversations on the mailing list
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:44] and god knows what else
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:02] and you'd think
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:03] when someone says
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:07] "fuck off, it's not going 
to happen"
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:13] you'd realise that was, 
well, that
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:22:53] I guess he really sees the 
advantages of Observium, and is keen for you to have further market 
penetration... over your

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Ken Hohhof]

I know you are, but what am I?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOGWbzUM-y8

From: Glen Waldrop 
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 2:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this...


[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to 
be rammed full of overly entitled douches



  - Original Message - 
  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

  I like this observium guy

  On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, "Jon Auer"  wrote:

Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear 
has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet 
equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing 
your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her 
choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you 
snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just 
isn't taking the hint. 

That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's 
volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked.
We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are 
the client from hell.

What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from...
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:18:33] While I completely understand 
that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a 
bit of an overreaction?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking 
idea
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:05] I don't, it's true.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:06] these people will not take 
no for an answer
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:07] they go on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:08] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:09] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:10] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look 
away from the screen?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS OF 
USERS, PLZ
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:32] couldn't you?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay.  
if he doesn't, ignore?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:46] oh, they all say they want 
to pay
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:49] Ah.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:10] but when they realise it 
costs more than $5...
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:20:15] Right.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems 
to be rammed full of overly entitled douches
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally 
justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:00] every new MODEL they release 
has to come with an entirely new set of mibs
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:04] it's ridiculous
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:21:11] You're a victim of your own 
success.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:23] and none of these people 
will ever listen when you tell them
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:32] adn they just keep coming 
back and coming back
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:35] he's asked here a few times
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:40] and we've had these 
conversations on the mailing list
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:44] and god knows what else
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:02] and you'd think
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:03] when someone says
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:07] "fuck off, it's not going to 
happen"
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:13] you'd realise that was, 
well, that
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:22:53] I guess he really sees the 
advantages of Observium, and is keen for you to have further market 
penetration... over your express wishes (-:
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:06] no, he's keen to have his 
own pet hardware supported
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:23:12] That too.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:21] we already support 4 
different families of cambium kit
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:28] but ap

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Glen Waldrop]

He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this...


[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to 
be rammed full of overly entitled douches



  - Original Message - 
  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS


  I like this observium guy

  On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, "Jon Auer"  wrote:

Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear 
has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet 
equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing 
your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her 
choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you 
snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just 
isn't taking the hint.


That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's 
volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked.
We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are 
the client from hell.


What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from...
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:18:33] While I completely understand 
that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a 
bit of an overreaction?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking 
idea
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:05] I don't, it's true.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:06] these people will not take 
no for an answer
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:07] they go on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:08] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:09] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:10] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look 
away from the screen?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS OF 
USERS, PLZ
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:32] couldn't you?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay.  
if he doesn't, ignore?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:46] oh, they all say they want 
to pay
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:49] Ah.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:10] but when they realise it 
costs more than $5...
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:20:15] Right.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems 
to be rammed full of overly entitled douches
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally 
justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:00] every new MODEL they release 
has to come with an entirely new set of mibs
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:04] it's ridiculous
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:21:11] You're a victim of your own 
success.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:23] and none of these people 
will ever listen when you tell them
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:32] adn they just keep coming 
back and coming back
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:35] he's asked here a few times
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:40] and we've had these 
conversations on the mailing list
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:44] and god knows what else
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:02] and you'd think
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:03] when someone says
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:07] "fuck off, it's not going to 
happen"
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:13] you'd realise that was, 
well, that
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:22:53] I guess he really sees the 
advantages of Observium, and is keen for you to have further market 
penetration... over your express wishes (-:
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:06] no, he's keen to have his 
own pet hardware supported
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:23:12] That too.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:21] we already support 4 
different families of cambium kit
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:28] but apparently that doesn't 
include the devices he has
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:44] and i'm sure if i checked, 
we'd only have like 2-3 users using cambium kit
[2015-04-04T01:39:

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

elling people they can add whatever the fuck support/devices they like,
> but there's no support for it.
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:25:06] or not
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:25:14] Party-pooper.
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:25:39] And people said you were a
> nice guy.
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:25:46] rarely
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:25:55] and even more rarely in
> here \o/
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:26:49] *we have 3 cambium ptp400
> devices and 5 cambium ptp800 devices*
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:27:00] *in our entire userbase*
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:27:24] *1086 cambium canopy
> devices*
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:27:31] *but, ofc, he said they
> weren't important and not to bother with them*
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> I had got the impression that he didn't even want user contributions.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Jon Auer" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 4, 2015 2:59:53 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>>
>> It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount of
>> fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the OS/device
>> type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things,
>> logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium
>> returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing.
>>
>> That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something
>> like Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates.
>>
>> I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past few
>> months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and pretty
>> much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time
>> constrained and would rather work on other things (hence non-responsiveness
>> to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could be
>> perceived as self-entitled communication from some users.
>>
>> The hostile reaction to WISP gear:
>> CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB -> Work done to
>> support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other
>> Enterprise/Wireline devices.
>>
>> Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS rev
>> instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS to
>> match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what
>> happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS
>> complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug
>> reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard
>> way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You
>> just can't win.
>>
>> 
>> So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care so
>> I write what I need. I may not  appreciate the politics of Observium but
>> I'm being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support
>> there is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see
>> supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll
>> look for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need
>> to monitor all the things.
>>
>> There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have openness
>> & saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to extraneous
>> things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me,
>> allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM).
>> You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be
>> insightful.
>> 
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to
>>> track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like
>>> hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Neil Lathwood" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>>>
>>> On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :)  Some of us may
>>>> have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy
>>>> other products you want to support.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to
>>> send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what
>>> data is available and work on adding support.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Shayne Lebrun]

In the past, I’ve seen them both not want to give quotes for sponsored work, 
and say that they dislike user submissions because of, and this is my 
paraphrase, a combination of ‘we always have to clean it up to make it useable’ 
and ‘not invented here syndrome.’

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 8:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

 

I had got the impression that he didn't even want user contributions.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 

  _  

From: "Jon Auer" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 2:59:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount of 
fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the OS/device type 
to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things, logic to 
work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium returned 
strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing.

 

That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something like 
Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates.

 

I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past few 
months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and pretty much 
nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time constrained 
and would rather work on other things (hence non-responsiveness to offers of 
money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could be perceived as 
self-entitled communication from some users.

 

The hostile reaction to WISP gear:

CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB -> Work done to 
support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other 
Enterprise/Wireline devices.

 

Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS rev 
instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS to 
match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what happens 
when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS complaining 
that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug reports from the 
users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard way? Handle every OS 
rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You just can't win.

 



So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care so I 
write what I need. I may not  appreciate the politics of Observium but I'm 
being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support there is 
in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see supported. If 
the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll look for another 
monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need to monitor all the 
things.

 

There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have openness & 
saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to extraneous 
things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me, allow/keep 
rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM). 

You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be insightful. 



 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to track? 
I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like hte OID was 
such a small part of everything that needed to be done.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 

  _____  

From: "Neil Lathwood" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect  wrote:

Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :)  Some of us may have 
spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy other 
products you want to support.

 

The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to send the 
kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is 
available and work on adding support.

 

Thanks,

 

Neil

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Josh Reynolds]

Jon,

Simply disable alerting on those ports. Problem solved. This is how you 
configure access switches that frequently have things plugged in / unplugged 
but you still want metrics when they are active.

On April 4, 2015 3:22:05 PM AKDT, Jon Auer  wrote:
>Fair enough, there are soup nazi aspects, though I've come to
>appreciate
>them after I got past my initial surprise. Ports that are enabled but
>unused being in alarm was the big one for me.
>
>Also, it does not require reverse DNS, only forward. I suspect syslog
>collection needs reverse DNS to match up with hosts but I don't use
>that...
>
>There are good non-soup-nazi reasons to require hostnames as
>identifiers
>instead of IPs, not the least of which is if you're using IPs now you
>make
>IPv6 compatability a problem. I could go on about the many benefits of
>hostname as device ID as opposed to IP or integer but I'm not trying to
>sell anything  :)
>
>
>On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>>   I stopped caring about Observium when someone said it wouldn’t
>monitor
>> something by IP address, it required both forward and reverse DNS. 
>Even
>> though Mike tried to defend that.  It’s “Soup Nazi” logic. 
>Everything else
>> in the world accepts an IP address in place of a hostname, I suspect
>you
>> have to write extra code to NOT do that.
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Jon Auer 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 04, 2015 5:52 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of
>WISPS
>>
>>  Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp
>gear
>> has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the
>internet
>> equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar
>and
>> grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're
>like,
>> that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on.
>> Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want
>the
>> drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint.
>>
>> That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's
>> volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely
>provoked.
>> We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of
>us are
>> the client from hell.
>>
>> What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming
>from...
>>  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:18:33] While I completely
>> understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes.
>> period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction?
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:18:56] BenA: you have no
>fucking
>> idea
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:05] I don't, it's true.
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:06] these people will not
>take
>> no for an answer
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:07] they go on
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:08] and on
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:09] and on
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:10] and on
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like,
>look
>> away from the screen?
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT,
>MILLIONS
>> OF USERS, PLZ
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:32] couldn't you?
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to
>pay.
>> if he doesn't, ignore?
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:46] *oh, they all say they
>> want to pay*
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:49] Ah.
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:10] *but when they realise
>it
>> costs more than $5...*
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:20:15] Right.
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry
>seems
>> to be rammed full of overly entitled douches
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally
>> justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:51] fucking wireless
>vendors
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:00] every new MODEL they
>> release has to come with an entirely new set of mibs
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:04] it's ridiculous
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:21:11] You're a victim of your
>own
>> success.
>> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Josh Reynolds]

I can monitor by IP without issue. Always have been able to on multiple 
installs on multiple networks over several years.

On April 4, 2015 3:07:21 PM AKDT, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>I stopped caring about Observium when someone said it wouldn’t monitor
>something by IP address, it required both forward and reverse DNS. 
>Even though Mike tried to defend that.  It’s “Soup Nazi” logic. 
>Everything else in the world accepts an IP address in place of a
>hostname, I suspect you have to write extra code to NOT do that.
>
>
>From: Jon Auer 
>Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2015 5:52 PM
>To: Animal Farm 
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
>Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp
>gear has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the
>internet equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the
>bar and grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me.
>You're like, that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night
>goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you
>want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. 
>
>That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's
>volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely
>provoked.
>We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us
>are the client from hell.
>
>What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming
>from...
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:18:33] While I completely
>understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes.
>period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction?
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:18:56] BenA: you have no
>fucking idea
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:05] I don't, it's true.
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:06] these people will not
>take no for an answer
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:07] they go on
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:08] and on
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:09] and on
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:10] and on
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like,
>look away from the screen?
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT,
>MILLIONS OF USERS, PLZ
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:32] couldn't you?
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to
>pay.  if he doesn't, ignore?
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:46] oh, they all say they
>want to pay
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:49] Ah.
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:10] but when they realise it
>costs more than $5...
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:20:15] Right.
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry
>seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally
>justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:00] every new MODEL they
>release has to come with an entirely new set of mibs
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:04] it's ridiculous
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:21:11] You're a victim of your
>own success.
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:23] and none of these people
>will ever listen when you tell them
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:32] adn they just keep
>coming back and coming back
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:35] he's asked here a few
>times
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:40] and we've had these
>conversations on the mailing list
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:44] and god knows what else
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:02] and you'd think
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:03] when someone says
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:07] "fuck off, it's not
>going to happen"
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:13] you'd realise that was,
>well, that
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:22:53] I guess he really sees the
>advantages of Observium, and is keen for you to have further market
>penetration... over your express wishes (-:
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:06] no, he's keen to have
>his own pet hardware supported
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:23:12] That too.
>[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:21] we already s

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Jon Auer]

Fair enough, there are soup nazi aspects, though I've come to appreciate
them after I got past my initial surprise. Ports that are enabled but
unused being in alarm was the big one for me.

Also, it does not require reverse DNS, only forward. I suspect syslog
collection needs reverse DNS to match up with hosts but I don't use that...

There are good non-soup-nazi reasons to require hostnames as identifiers
instead of IPs, not the least of which is if you're using IPs now you make
IPv6 compatability a problem. I could go on about the many benefits of
hostname as device ID as opposed to IP or integer but I'm not trying to
sell anything  :)


On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>   I stopped caring about Observium when someone said it wouldn’t monitor
> something by IP address, it required both forward and reverse DNS.  Even
> though Mike tried to defend that.  It’s “Soup Nazi” logic.  Everything else
> in the world accepts an IP address in place of a hostname, I suspect you
> have to write extra code to NOT do that.
>
>
>  *From:* Jon Auer 
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 04, 2015 5:52 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
>  Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear
> has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet
> equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and
> grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like,
> that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on.
> Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the
> drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint.
>
> That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's
> volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked.
> We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are
> the client from hell.
>
> What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from...
>  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:18:33] While I completely
> understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes.
> period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction?
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking
> idea
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:05] I don't, it's true.
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:06] these people will not take
> no for an answer
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:07] they go on
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:08] and on
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:09] and on
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:10] and on
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look
> away from the screen?
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS
> OF USERS, PLZ
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:32] couldn't you?
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay.
> if he doesn't, ignore?
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:46] *oh, they all say they
> want to pay*
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:49] Ah.
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:10] *but when they realise it
> costs more than $5...*
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:20:15] Right.
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems
> to be rammed full of overly entitled douches
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally
> justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:00] every new MODEL they
> release has to come with an entirely new set of mibs
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:04] it's ridiculous
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:21:11] You're a victim of your own
> success.
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:23] and none of these people
> will ever listen when you tell them
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:32] adn they just keep coming
> back and coming back
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:35] *he's asked here a few
> times*
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:40] *and we've had these
> conversations on the mailing list*
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:44] *and god knows what else*
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:02] and you'd think
> [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:03] when someone says
> [2015-04-04T01:3

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Ken Hohhof]

I stopped caring about Observium when someone said it wouldn’t monitor 
something by IP address, it required both forward and reverse DNS.  Even though 
Mike tried to defend that.  It’s “Soup Nazi” logic.  Everything else in the 
world accepts an IP address in place of a hostname, I suspect you have to write 
extra code to NOT do that.


From: Jon Auer 
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2015 5:52 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear has 
been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet equivalent 
of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing your arm 
and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her choice and she 
says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some 
unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking 
the hint. 

That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's volatility 
is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked.
We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are the 
client from hell.

What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from...
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:18:33] While I completely understand that 
you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a bit 
of an overreaction?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking idea
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:05] I don't, it's true.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:06] these people will not take no 
for an answer
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:07] they go on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:08] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:09] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:10] and on
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look away 
from the screen?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS OF 
USERS, PLZ
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:32] couldn't you?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay.  if he 
doesn't, ignore?
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:46] oh, they all say they want to pay
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:19:49] Ah.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:10] but when they realise it costs 
more than $5...
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:20:15] Right.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to 
be rammed full of overly entitled douches
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally justified 
that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:00] every new MODEL they release has 
to come with an entirely new set of mibs
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:04] it's ridiculous
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:21:11] You're a victim of your own 
success.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:23] and none of these people will 
ever listen when you tell them
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:32] adn they just keep coming back 
and coming back
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:35] he's asked here a few times
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:40] and we've had these 
conversations on the mailing list
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:44] and god knows what else
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:02] and you'd think
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:03] when someone says
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:07] "fuck off, it's not going to 
happen"
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:13] you'd realise that was, well, 
that
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:22:53] I guess he really sees the 
advantages of Observium, and is keen for you to have further market 
penetration... over your express wishes (-:
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:06] no, he's keen to have his own 
pet hardware supported
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:23:12] That too.
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:21] we already support 4 different 
families of cambium kit
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:28] but apparently that doesn't 
include the devices he has
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:44] and i'm sure if i checked, we'd 
only have like 2-3 users using cambium kit
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500]  [09:24:52] You could spend a few dozen man 
months of eye-straining, back-breaking labour adding in some kind of horribly 
complex and fucked up extensible API

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Jon Auer]

ma> [09:26:49] *we have 3 cambium ptp400
devices and 5 cambium ptp800 devices*
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:27:00] *in our entire userbase*
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:27:24] *1086 cambium canopy devices*
[2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:27:31] *but, ofc, he said they
weren't important and not to bother with them*


On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I had got the impression that he didn't even want user contributions.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Jon Auer" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Saturday, April 4, 2015 2:59:53 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
> It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount of
> fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the OS/device
> type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things,
> logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium
> returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing.
>
> That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something like
> Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates.
>
> I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past few
> months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and pretty
> much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time
> constrained and would rather work on other things (hence non-responsiveness
> to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could be
> perceived as self-entitled communication from some users.
>
> The hostile reaction to WISP gear:
> CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB -> Work done to
> support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other
> Enterprise/Wireline devices.
>
> Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS rev
> instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS to
> match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what
> happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS
> complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug
> reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard
> way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You
> just can't win.
>
> 
> So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care so
> I write what I need. I may not  appreciate the politics of Observium but
> I'm being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support
> there is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see
> supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll
> look for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need
> to monitor all the things.
>
> There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have openness
> & saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to extraneous
> things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me,
> allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM).
> You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be
> insightful.
> 
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to
>> track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like
>> hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Neil Lathwood" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>>
>> On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :)  Some of us may
>>> have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy
>>> other products you want to support.
>>>
>>
>> The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to
>> send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what
>> data is available and work on adding support.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Mike Hammett]

I had got the impression that he didn't even want user contributions. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Jon Auer"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 2:59:53 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 


It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount of 
fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the OS/device type 
to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things, logic to 
work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium returned 
strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing. 


That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something like 
Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates. 




I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past few 
months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and pretty much 
nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time constrained 
and would rather work on other things (hence non-responsiveness to offers of 
money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could be perceived as 
self-entitled communication from some users. 



The hostile reaction to WISP gear: 

CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB -> Work done to 
support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other 
Enterprise/Wireline devices. 


Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS rev 
instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS to 
match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what happens 
when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS complaining 
that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug reports from the 
users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard way? Handle every OS 
rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You just can't win. 




 
So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care so I 
write what I need. I may not appreciate the politics of Observium but I'm being 
pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support there is in 
Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see supported. If the 
time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll look for another 
monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need to monitor all the 
things. 


There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have openness & 
saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to extraneous 
things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me, allow/keep 
rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM). 
You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be insightful. 
 


On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to track? 
I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like hte OID was 
such a small part of everything that needed to be done. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "Neil Lathwood" < neil.lathw...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 




On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect < li...@wavedirect.org > wrote: 


Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :) Some of us may have 
spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy other 
products you want to support. 





The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to send the 
kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is 
available and work on adding support. 


Thanks, 


Neil 

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Josh Reynolds]

Dang, editing that on mobile during a really good horror movie really killed 
some of the impact I had hoped it would have. Oh well.

If anyone here gets a chance to watch "The Babadook", give it a go. It's 
excellent!

On April 4, 2015 12:07:55 AM AKDT, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>Personally? I don't think there's anything there's anything that
>justifies his reactions and behavior.
>
>He wrote some semi useful code, he didn't discover the missing link,
>sequence the genome, or cure Ebola.
>
>F*%k 'em.
>
>There's enough cases of over-inflated self importance in the world.
>
>On April 3, 2015 11:59:53 PM AKDT, Jon Auer  wrote:
>>It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount
>>of
>>fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the
>>OS/device
>>type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific
>>things,
>>logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when
>>Cambium
>>returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more
>>testing.
>>
>>That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something
>>like
>>Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates.
>>
>>I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past
>>few
>>months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and
>>pretty
>>much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time
>>constrained and would rather work on other things (hence
>>non-responsiveness
>>to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could
>>be
>>perceived as self-entitled communication from some users.
>>
>>The hostile reaction to WISP gear:
>>CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB -> Work done
>>to
>>support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other
>>Enterprise/Wireline devices.
>>
>>Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS
>>rev
>>instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS
>>to
>>match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what
>>happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new
>>OS
>>complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's
>bug
>>reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The
>>hard
>>way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility?
>You
>>just can't win.
>>
>>
>>So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care
>>so I
>>write what I need. I may not  appreciate the politics of Observium but
>>I'm
>>being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support
>>there
>>is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see
>>supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away
>I'll
>>look for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I
>>need
>>to monitor all the things.
>>
>>There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have
>>openness &
>>saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to
>>extraneous
>>things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me,
>>allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM).
>>You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be
>>insightful.
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett 
>wrote:
>>
>>> Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want
>>to
>>> track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem
>>like
>>> hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Neil Lathwood" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of
>>WISPS
>>>
>>> On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :)  Some of us
>>may
>>>> have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to
>>help buy
>>>> other products you want to support.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary
>to
>>send
>>> the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what
>>data is
>>> available and work on adding support.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>
>-- 
>Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Josh Reynolds]

Personally? I don't think there's anything there's anything that justifies his 
reactions and behavior.

He wrote some semi useful code, he didn't discover the missing link, sequence 
the genome, or cure Ebola.

F*%k 'em.

There's enough cases of over-inflated self importance in the world.

On April 3, 2015 11:59:53 PM AKDT, Jon Auer  wrote:
>It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount
>of
>fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the
>OS/device
>type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific
>things,
>logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when
>Cambium
>returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more
>testing.
>
>That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something
>like
>Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates.
>
>I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past
>few
>months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and
>pretty
>much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time
>constrained and would rather work on other things (hence
>non-responsiveness
>to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could
>be
>perceived as self-entitled communication from some users.
>
>The hostile reaction to WISP gear:
>CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB -> Work done
>to
>support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other
>Enterprise/Wireline devices.
>
>Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS
>rev
>instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS
>to
>match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what
>happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new
>OS
>complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug
>reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The
>hard
>way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You
>just can't win.
>
>
>So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care
>so I
>write what I need. I may not  appreciate the politics of Observium but
>I'm
>being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support
>there
>is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see
>supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll
>look for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I
>need
>to monitor all the things.
>
>There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have
>openness &
>saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to
>extraneous
>things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me,
>allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM).
>You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be
>insightful.
>
>
>On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want
>to
>> track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem
>like
>> hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Neil Lathwood" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of
>WISPS
>>
>> On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :)  Some of us
>may
>>> have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to
>help buy
>>> other products you want to support.
>>>
>>
>> The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to
>send
>> the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what
>data is
>> available and work on adding support.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Jon Auer]

It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount of
fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the OS/device
type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things,
logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium
returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing.

That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something like
Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates.

I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past few
months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and pretty
much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time
constrained and would rather work on other things (hence non-responsiveness
to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could be
perceived as self-entitled communication from some users.

The hostile reaction to WISP gear:
CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB -> Work done to
support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other
Enterprise/Wireline devices.

Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS rev
instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS to
match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what
happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS
complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug
reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard
way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You
just can't win.


So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care so I
write what I need. I may not  appreciate the politics of Observium but I'm
being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support there
is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see
supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll
look for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need
to monitor all the things.

There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have openness &
saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to extraneous
things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me,
allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM).
You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be
insightful.


On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to
> track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like
> hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Neil Lathwood" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
> On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect  wrote:
>
>> Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :)  Some of us may
>> have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy
>> other products you want to support.
>>
>
> The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to send
> the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is
> available and work on adding support.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Neil
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Daniel White]

I guess I could +100 this or something like that.

 

I’ve been on the manufacturing side long enough that I know any date you give 
will be wrong.  No matter how well you plan, how prepared you are, something 
will go wrong.  Component suppliers you built the entire radio around suddenly 
go out of business or are acquired, component supplier hits a delivery issue, 
something doesn’t pass final testing and has to be redesigned, firmware isn’t 
ready (firmware always seems less predictable than hardware), regulatory 
changes happen before or while you submit to a lab for approval, a key engineer 
in the process leaves the company for whatever reason (or dies… seen that too), 
a strike causes your product or components to be delayed in port (be it air or 
sea), FCC approvals takes longer than expected (something you can’t control at 
all)… the list just goes on and on.

 

And any one problem puts the entire process on hold often, as the R&D effort is 
a team effort for sure, and the next engineer in line can’t do their bit unless 
the person before them completes theirs.

 

There are so many pieces to a radio R&D process and then product launch 
(marketing, inventory, partner training, etc.)… it is crazy.  And many of these 
issues (and often times they are stupid ones) make me want to hit my head 
against my desk when they happen to me (at either company I worked for).

 

I’m evasive on answers for the same reasons as Ben and Matt, or anyone from any 
manufacturer.   If you give anything as narrow as a month window to deliver 
something without wiggle room, you’re probably going to be wrong.

 

***

Daniel White - Managing Director

SAF North America LLC

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com <mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> 

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84> 

 

***

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 8:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

 

...but you understand why of course.  If he assumes the product will pass 
testing and tells you a date based on that, then it could fail testing and 
people would be calling him a liar.  He could also assume it will fail 5 more 
times and require 5 cycles of redesign taking over 18 months and give you a 
date based on thatthen people will complain about how long it takes.

Sounds like he doesn't have a direct answer because there isn't one and any 
answer he gives will be wrong.  In which case, the non-answer is the best 
answer.




>Not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has taken 
>longer than we expected. 

>We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges

That's the thing.  It's always some obscure non answer answer.  Like a 
politician.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 2, 2015 10:20 AM, "Matt Hardy" mailto:m...@ubnt.com> > 
wrote:

Hi Rory, 

We're not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has taken 
longer than we expected. 

We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges after launching NanoBeam and all 
of them collectively delayed the DFS approvals. 

 

The reason I said soon is we're waiting for an ETA on approvals now (they're at 
the lab now). Once we have a better estimate; we'll share with you. 

We're very careful about giving dates to you guys ;) 

 

At this time it doesn't look like there are any technical reasons the NanoBeams 
won't be approved for the other UNII bands... I know it's been frustrating for 
many of you -- it definitely has been for us as well. But it looks like we're 
almost there...

 

We'll keep everyone updated (unless Gino sees it first). 

 

Thanks,

Matt

 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote:

Matt, the usual reason for not releasing information is that you don’t want 
your competitors to know what you are doing.  I get that.  At this point 
though, Mimosa is sharing it’s release schedules almost a year in advance, and 
both they and Cambium have had DFS on their WiFi chipsets since release.  We 
have all bought a bunch of the equipment that still doesn’t have DFS, some of 
it for almost a year and it’s screwed up my ordering and deployment  plans.  
Being secretive has no value whatsoever.  Not telling us what you know today is 
annoying  since I can’t make deployment decisions based on “soon”.  It’s been 
“soon” for almost a year.  How about some actual facts as you know them.  If 
there are delays, that’s fine but just be honest about the process, that’s all 
we can expect.  If you need m

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/2/15 8:57, Rory Conaway wrote:

For example, I’m making it public today, I’m a closet HoHo eater.  Yes,
I’ve said, it, I love HoHo’sm, especially with skim milk.  And I’m
working on getting my Ham license.




I have a Reese's addiction.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Rory Conaway]

Stuff happens, especially when you are dealing with the government.  Whatever 
the issue was, it’s always more important to get ahead of the issue.

One guy that is a controversial public person came out one day and simply laid 
out all his dirty laundry.  He said, I did this and this and this but I’ve 
cleaned up my life and so on.….  Once he did that, his enemies had nothing left 
to attack him on and life moved on.  He is now highly successful.  I have 
always thought that honesty was the best policy but in the case of a public 
company, after the lawyers review the language.

For example, I’m making it public today, I’m a closet HoHo eater.  Yes, I’ve 
said, it, I love HoHo’sm, especially with skim milk.  And I’m working on 
getting my Ham license.

Whew, I’m glad I got that off my chest.See how easy that was.

Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 8:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS


Well AF5X got it.  Assuming the same compliance manager does both that sounds 
like a fact that Nbeam wasn't up to par.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 2, 2015 11:04 AM, "Seth Mattinen" 
mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:
On 4/2/15 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 >Not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has
taken longer than we expected.

 >We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges

That's the thing.  It's always some obscure non answer answer.  Like a
politician.


And yet other vendors didn't seem to have such difficulties. Bad design, 
perhaps? I can see why one vendor wouldn't want to straight up say our design 
isn't as good as our competitors that were able to pass the required tests.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Mike Hammett]

I like the new name. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 10:26:53 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 


If UBNT ever gave a clear target date, actually hit it, and vendors actually 
had the product on hand when UBNT said they would, the industry would crumble 
because so many operators had a heart attack at the same time. UBNT is just 
doing their part to ensure continuity in the industry 


On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



Well AF5X got it. Assuming the same compliance manager does both that sounds 
like a fact that Nbeam wasn't up to par. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Apr 2, 2015 11:04 AM, "Seth Mattinen" < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: 


On 4/2/15 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: 


>Not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has 
taken longer than we expected. 

>We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges 

That's the thing. It's always some obscure non answer answer. Like a 
politician. 





And yet other vendors didn't seem to have such difficulties. Bad design, 
perhaps? I can see why one vendor wouldn't want to straight up say our design 
isn't as good as our competitors that were able to pass the required tests. 

~Seth 








-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

If UBNT ever gave a clear target date, actually hit it, and vendors
actually had the product on hand when UBNT said they would, the industry
would crumble because so many operators had a heart attack at the same
time. UBNT is just doing their part to ensure continuity in the industry

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Well AF5X got it.  Assuming the same compliance manager does both that
> sounds like a fact that Nbeam wasn't up to par.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Apr 2, 2015 11:04 AM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>
>> On 4/2/15 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>>>  >Not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has
>>> taken longer than we expected.
>>>
>>>  >We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges
>>>
>>> That's the thing.  It's always some obscure non answer answer.  Like a
>>> politician.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And yet other vendors didn't seem to have such difficulties. Bad design,
>> perhaps? I can see why one vendor wouldn't want to straight up say our
>> design isn't as good as our competitors that were able to pass the required
>> tests.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Josh Luthman]

Well AF5X got it.  Assuming the same compliance manager does both that
sounds like a fact that Nbeam wasn't up to par.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 2, 2015 11:04 AM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:

> On 4/2/15 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>>  >Not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has
>> taken longer than we expected.
>>
>>  >We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges
>>
>> That's the thing.  It's always some obscure non answer answer.  Like a
>> politician.
>>
>>
>
> And yet other vendors didn't seem to have such difficulties. Bad design,
> perhaps? I can see why one vendor wouldn't want to straight up say our
> design isn't as good as our competitors that were able to pass the required
> tests.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/2/15 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 >Not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has
taken longer than we expected.

 >We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges

That's the thing.  It's always some obscure non answer answer.  Like a
politician.




And yet other vendors didn't seem to have such difficulties. Bad design, 
perhaps? I can see why one vendor wouldn't want to straight up say our 
design isn't as good as our competitors that were able to pass the 
required tests.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Adam Moffett]

...but you understand why of course.  If he assumes the product will 
pass testing and tells you a date based on that, then it could fail 
testing and people would be calling him a liar.  He could also assume it 
will fail 5 more times and require 5 cycles of redesign taking over 18 
months and give you a date based on thatthen people will complain 
about how long it takes.


Sounds like he doesn't have a direct answer because there isn't one and 
any answer he gives will be wrong.  In which case, the non-answer is the 
best answer.


>Not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has 
taken longer than we expected.


>We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges

That's the thing.  It's always some obscure non answer answer.  Like a 
politician.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 2, 2015 10:20 AM, "Matt Hardy" <mailto:m...@ubnt.com>> wrote:


Hi Rory,
We're not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone
this has taken longer than we expected.
We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges after launching
NanoBeam and all of them collectively delayed the DFS approvals.

The reason I said soon is we're waiting for an ETA on approvals
now (they're at the lab now). Once we have a better estimate;
we'll share with you.
We're very careful about giving dates to you guys ;)

At this time it doesn't look like there are any technical reasons
the NanoBeams won't be approved for the other UNII bands... I know
it's been frustrating for many of you -- it definitely has been
for us as well. But it looks like we're almost there...

We'll keep everyone updated (unless Gino sees it first).

Thanks,
Matt

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Rory Conaway
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:

Matt, the usual reason for not releasing information is that
you don’t want your competitors to know what you are doing.  I
get that.  At this point though, Mimosa is sharing it’s
release schedules almost a year in advance, and both they and
Cambium have had DFS on their WiFi chipsets since release.  We
have all bought a bunch of the equipment that still doesn’t
have DFS, some of it for almost a year and it’s screwed up my
ordering and deployment  plans. Being secretive has no value
whatsoever.  Not telling us what you know today is annoying
 since I can’t make deployment decisions based on “soon”. 
It’s been “soon” for almost a year.  How about some actual

facts as you know them.  If there are delays, that’s fine but
just be honest about the process, that’s all we can expect. 
If you need more time, just tell us and we can plan

accordingly.  Did the equipment pass specifications that you
believe are necessary for DFS certification in the lab and if
so, how much longer does it take to complete the process?  If
it didn’t, just let us know and we will accept it and adjust. 
I’m really not interested in rumors right now on this

particular subject.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hardy
    *Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 6:05 PM
    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks
of WISPS

v5.6 is getting close, there are rumors of RC/Final release
coming "soon" ... ;)

For NanoBeam, we did just receive some good news from the lab
this week, so it appears there is light at the end of the
tunnel. I wish I had more I could share, but we'll definitely
keep you updated as we get more info.

Thanks,
Matt

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

How is that going? I've got the 5.6 beta running on a small
selection of subscribers, but I'm not really willing to make
extensive use of it until (if?) it sees the light of day as a
real release.

...and OBTW, what is the ETA on the expanded UNII frequencies
on the nanobeam platform? Given a choice, I would only install
nanobeams these days, except they don't cover all the
frequencies we need. So I grit my teeth and install more (UGH)
nanobridges.
Really wish those boat anchors would go away.


bp



  


On 4/1/2015 4:29 PM, Matt Hardy wrote:

I have to admit Ubiquiti doesn't have a great track record
of SNMP support (I know I know) ;) -- but we're working on
it. Tryi

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Josh Luthman]

>Not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has taken
longer than we expected.

>We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges

That's the thing.  It's always some obscure non answer answer.  Like a
politician.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 2, 2015 10:20 AM, "Matt Hardy"  wrote:

> Hi Rory,
> We're not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has
> taken longer than we expected.
> We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges after launching NanoBeam and
> all of them collectively delayed the DFS approvals.
>
> The reason I said soon is we're waiting for an ETA on approvals now
> (they're at the lab now). Once we have a better estimate; we'll share with
> you.
> We're very careful about giving dates to you guys ;)
>
> At this time it doesn't look like there are any technical reasons the
> NanoBeams won't be approved for the other UNII bands... I know it's been
> frustrating for many of you -- it definitely has been for us as well. But
> it looks like we're almost there...
>
> We'll keep everyone updated (unless Gino sees it first).
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>>  Matt, the usual reason for not releasing information is that you don’t
>> want your competitors to know what you are doing.  I get that.  At this
>> point though, Mimosa is sharing it’s release schedules almost a year in
>> advance, and both they and Cambium have had DFS on their WiFi chipsets
>> since release.  We have all bought a bunch of the equipment that still
>> doesn’t have DFS, some of it for almost a year and it’s screwed up my
>> ordering and deployment  plans.  Being secretive has no value whatsoever.
>> Not telling us what you know today is annoying  since I can’t make
>> deployment decisions based on “soon”.  It’s been “soon” for almost a year.
>> How about some actual facts as you know them.  If there are delays, that’s
>> fine but just be honest about the process, that’s all we can expect.  If
>> you need more time, just tell us and we can plan accordingly.  Did the
>> equipment pass specifications that you believe are necessary for DFS
>> certification in the lab and if so, how much longer does it take to
>> complete the process?  If it didn’t, just let us know and we will accept it
>> and adjust.  I’m really not interested in rumors right now on this
>> particular subject.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hardy
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 6:05 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>>
>>
>>
>> v5.6 is getting close, there are rumors of RC/Final release coming "soon"
>> ... ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> For NanoBeam, we did just receive some good news from the lab this week,
>> so it appears there is light at the end of the tunnel. I wish I had more I
>> could share, but we'll definitely keep you updated as we get more info.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> How is that going? I've got the 5.6 beta running on a small selection of
>> subscribers, but I'm not really willing to make extensive use of it until
>> (if?) it sees the light of day as a real release.
>>
>> ...and OBTW, what is the ETA on the expanded UNII frequencies on the
>> nanobeam platform? Given a choice, I would only install nanobeams these
>> days, except they don't cover all the frequencies we need. So I grit my
>> teeth and install more (UGH) nanobridges.
>> Really wish those boat anchors would go away.
>>
>>
>>  bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 4/1/2015 4:29 PM, Matt Hardy wrote:
>>
>>  I have to admit Ubiquiti doesn't have a great track record of SNMP
>> support (I know I know) ;) -- but we're working on it. Trying to get it
>> right in v5.6 with our new / custom MIB. If you guys need devices to test
>> with, we'll be glad to donate a few...
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>  A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and
>> ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the
>> way that he i

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Chuck McCown]

Gino always sees it first.

From: Matt Hardy 
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 8:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

Hi Rory, 
We're not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has taken 
longer than we expected. 
We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges after launching NanoBeam and all 
of them collectively delayed the DFS approvals. 

The reason I said soon is we're waiting for an ETA on approvals now (they're at 
the lab now). Once we have a better estimate; we'll share with you. 
We're very careful about giving dates to you guys ;) 

At this time it doesn't look like there are any technical reasons the NanoBeams 
won't be approved for the other UNII bands... I know it's been frustrating for 
many of you -- it definitely has been for us as well. But it looks like we're 
almost there...

We'll keep everyone updated (unless Gino sees it first). 

Thanks,
Matt

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

  Matt, the usual reason for not releasing information is that you don’t want 
your competitors to know what you are doing.  I get that.  At this point 
though, Mimosa is sharing it’s release schedules almost a year in advance, and 
both they and Cambium have had DFS on their WiFi chipsets since release.  We 
have all bought a bunch of the equipment that still doesn’t have DFS, some of 
it for almost a year and it’s screwed up my ordering and deployment  plans.  
Being secretive has no value whatsoever.  Not telling us what you know today is 
annoying  since I can’t make deployment decisions based on “soon”.  It’s been 
“soon” for almost a year.  How about some actual facts as you know them.  If 
there are delays, that’s fine but just be honest about the process, that’s all 
we can expect.  If you need more time, just tell us and we can plan 
accordingly.  Did the equipment pass specifications that you believe are 
necessary for DFS certification in the lab and if so, how much longer does it 
take to complete the process?  If it didn’t, just let us know and we will 
accept it and adjust.  I’m really not interested in rumors right now on this 
particular subject.



  Rory







  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hardy
  Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 6:05 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS



  v5.6 is getting close, there are rumors of RC/Final release coming "soon" ... 
;)



  For NanoBeam, we did just receive some good news from the lab this week, so 
it appears there is light at the end of the tunnel. I wish I had more I could 
share, but we'll definitely keep you updated as we get more info.



  Thanks,
  Matt



  On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  How is that going? I've got the 5.6 beta running on a small selection of 
subscribers, but I'm not really willing to make extensive use of it until (if?) 
it sees the light of day as a real release.

  ...and OBTW, what is the ETA on the expanded UNII frequencies on the nanobeam 
platform? Given a choice, I would only install nanobeams these days, except 
they don't cover all the frequencies we need. So I grit my teeth and install 
more (UGH) nanobridges.
  Really wish those boat anchors would go away.




bp On 4/1/2015 4:29 PM, Matt Hardy wrote:

I have to admit Ubiquiti doesn't have a great track record of SNMP support 
(I know I know) ;) -- but we're working on it. Trying to get it right in v5.6 
with our new / custom MIB. If you guys need devices to test with, we'll be glad 
to donate a few... 



Thanks,
Matt 



On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:

  A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and 
ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the way 
that he is.  I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude; just 
stating a fact. 



  Josh



  On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect  wrote:

  Just shows you what sort "person" this guy is. Let him rot in his own 
cesspool of hate.  He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would benefit 
a great deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said "naw I'm too 
lazy I don't want to do it."

  Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance.  I'd like to do it,  but its 
too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I hate 
all of you.


  - Original Message -
  From: "Ken Hohhof" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

  What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”?  He 
likes Wispa candy bars?  It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs.


  From: Davi

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Matt Hardy]

Hi Rory,
We're not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has
taken longer than we expected.
We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges after launching NanoBeam and
all of them collectively delayed the DFS approvals.

The reason I said soon is we're waiting for an ETA on approvals now
(they're at the lab now). Once we have a better estimate; we'll share with
you.
We're very careful about giving dates to you guys ;)

At this time it doesn't look like there are any technical reasons the
NanoBeams won't be approved for the other UNII bands... I know it's been
frustrating for many of you -- it definitely has been for us as well. But
it looks like we're almost there...

We'll keep everyone updated (unless Gino sees it first).

Thanks,
Matt

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

>  Matt, the usual reason for not releasing information is that you don’t
> want your competitors to know what you are doing.  I get that.  At this
> point though, Mimosa is sharing it’s release schedules almost a year in
> advance, and both they and Cambium have had DFS on their WiFi chipsets
> since release.  We have all bought a bunch of the equipment that still
> doesn’t have DFS, some of it for almost a year and it’s screwed up my
> ordering and deployment  plans.  Being secretive has no value whatsoever.
> Not telling us what you know today is annoying  since I can’t make
> deployment decisions based on “soon”.  It’s been “soon” for almost a year.
> How about some actual facts as you know them.  If there are delays, that’s
> fine but just be honest about the process, that’s all we can expect.  If
> you need more time, just tell us and we can plan accordingly.  Did the
> equipment pass specifications that you believe are necessary for DFS
> certification in the lab and if so, how much longer does it take to
> complete the process?  If it didn’t, just let us know and we will accept it
> and adjust.  I’m really not interested in rumors right now on this
> particular subject.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hardy
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 6:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
>
>
> v5.6 is getting close, there are rumors of RC/Final release coming "soon"
> ... ;)
>
>
>
> For NanoBeam, we did just receive some good news from the lab this week,
> so it appears there is light at the end of the tunnel. I wish I had more I
> could share, but we'll definitely keep you updated as we get more info.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> How is that going? I've got the 5.6 beta running on a small selection of
> subscribers, but I'm not really willing to make extensive use of it until
> (if?) it sees the light of day as a real release.
>
> ...and OBTW, what is the ETA on the expanded UNII frequencies on the
> nanobeam platform? Given a choice, I would only install nanobeams these
> days, except they don't cover all the frequencies we need. So I grit my
> teeth and install more (UGH) nanobridges.
> Really wish those boat anchors would go away.
>
>
>  bp
>
> 
>
>
>
>  On 4/1/2015 4:29 PM, Matt Hardy wrote:
>
>  I have to admit Ubiquiti doesn't have a great track record of SNMP
> support (I know I know) ;) -- but we're working on it. Trying to get it
> right in v5.6 with our new / custom MIB. If you guys need devices to test
> with, we'll be glad to donate a few...
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>  A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and
> ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the
> way that he is.  I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude;
> just stating a fact.
>
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect  wrote:
>
> Just shows you what sort "person" this guy is. Let him rot in his own
> cesspool of hate.  He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would
> benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said
> "naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it."
>
> Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance.  I'd like to do it,  but its
> too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I
> hate all of you.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wh

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Mathew Howard]

I think the reason for not releasing information in this case is that they
don't actually know...

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

>  Matt, the usual reason for not releasing information is that you don’t
> want your competitors to know what you are doing.  I get that.  At this
> point though, Mimosa is sharing it’s release schedules almost a year in
> advance, and both they and Cambium have had DFS on their WiFi chipsets
> since release.  We have all bought a bunch of the equipment that still
> doesn’t have DFS, some of it for almost a year and it’s screwed up my
> ordering and deployment  plans.  Being secretive has no value whatsoever.
> Not telling us what you know today is annoying  since I can’t make
> deployment decisions based on “soon”.  It’s been “soon” for almost a year.
> How about some actual facts as you know them.  If there are delays, that’s
> fine but just be honest about the process, that’s all we can expect.  If
> you need more time, just tell us and we can plan accordingly.  Did the
> equipment pass specifications that you believe are necessary for DFS
> certification in the lab and if so, how much longer does it take to
> complete the process?  If it didn’t, just let us know and we will accept it
> and adjust.  I’m really not interested in rumors right now on this
> particular subject.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hardy
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 6:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
>
>
> v5.6 is getting close, there are rumors of RC/Final release coming "soon"
> ... ;)
>
>
>
> For NanoBeam, we did just receive some good news from the lab this week,
> so it appears there is light at the end of the tunnel. I wish I had more I
> could share, but we'll definitely keep you updated as we get more info.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> How is that going? I've got the 5.6 beta running on a small selection of
> subscribers, but I'm not really willing to make extensive use of it until
> (if?) it sees the light of day as a real release.
>
> ...and OBTW, what is the ETA on the expanded UNII frequencies on the
> nanobeam platform? Given a choice, I would only install nanobeams these
> days, except they don't cover all the frequencies we need. So I grit my
> teeth and install more (UGH) nanobridges.
> Really wish those boat anchors would go away.
>
>
>  bp
>
> 
>
>
>
>  On 4/1/2015 4:29 PM, Matt Hardy wrote:
>
>  I have to admit Ubiquiti doesn't have a great track record of SNMP
> support (I know I know) ;) -- but we're working on it. Trying to get it
> right in v5.6 with our new / custom MIB. If you guys need devices to test
> with, we'll be glad to donate a few...
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>  A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and
> ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the
> way that he is.  I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude;
> just stating a fact.
>
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect  wrote:
>
> Just shows you what sort "person" this guy is. Let him rot in his own
> cesspool of hate.  He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would
> benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said
> "naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it."
>
> Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance.  I'd like to do it,  but its
> too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I
> hate all of you.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
> What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”?  He
> likes Wispa candy bars?  It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs.
>
>
> From: David Milholen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
> Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and
> is above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else
> and only have a decent piece of code nothing more.  This is where open
> source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing
> to build the initial c

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Rory Conaway]

Matt, the usual reason for not releasing information is that you don’t want 
your competitors to know what you are doing.  I get that.  At this point 
though, Mimosa is sharing it’s release schedules almost a year in advance, and 
both they and Cambium have had DFS on their WiFi chipsets since release.  We 
have all bought a bunch of the equipment that still doesn’t have DFS, some of 
it for almost a year and it’s screwed up my ordering and deployment  plans.  
Being secretive has no value whatsoever.  Not telling us what you know today is 
annoying  since I can’t make deployment decisions based on “soon”.  It’s been 
“soon” for almost a year.  How about some actual facts as you know them.  If 
there are delays, that’s fine but just be honest about the process, that’s all 
we can expect.  If you need more time, just tell us and we can plan 
accordingly.  Did the equipment pass specifications that you believe are 
necessary for DFS certification in the lab and if so, how much longer does it 
take to complete the process?  If it didn’t, just let us know and we will 
accept it and adjust.  I’m really not interested in rumors right now on this 
particular subject.

Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 6:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

v5.6 is getting close, there are rumors of RC/Final release coming "soon" ... ;)

For NanoBeam, we did just receive some good news from the lab this week, so it 
appears there is light at the end of the tunnel. I wish I had more I could 
share, but we'll definitely keep you updated as we get more info.

Thanks,
Matt

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
How is that going? I've got the 5.6 beta running on a small selection of 
subscribers, but I'm not really willing to make extensive use of it until (if?) 
it sees the light of day as a real release.

...and OBTW, what is the ETA on the expanded UNII frequencies on the nanobeam 
platform? Given a choice, I would only install nanobeams these days, except 
they don't cover all the frequencies we need. So I grit my teeth and install 
more (UGH) nanobridges.
Really wish those boat anchors would go away.



bp




On 4/1/2015 4:29 PM, Matt Hardy wrote:
I have to admit Ubiquiti doesn't have a great track record of SNMP support (I 
know I know) ;) -- but we're working on it. Trying to get it right in v5.6 with 
our new / custom MIB. If you guys need devices to test with, we'll be glad to 
donate a few...

Thanks,
Matt

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Josh Baird 
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and ever 
changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the way that 
he is.  I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude; just stating 
a fact.

Josh

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect 
mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
Just shows you what sort "person" this guy is. Let him rot in his own cesspool 
of hate.  He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would benefit a great 
deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said "naw I'm too lazy I 
don't want to do it."

Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance.  I'd like to do it,  but its too 
hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I hate all 
of you.


- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”?  He likes 
Wispa candy bars?  It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs.


From: David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and is 
above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else
and only have a decent piece of code nothing more.  This is where open source 
gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing
to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others have 
made and fix what needs to be fixed.
These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.

Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are all 
open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now.
I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long way so 
now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.

all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu on 
them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Matt Hardy]

v5.6 is getting close, there are rumors of RC/Final release coming "soon"
... ;)

For NanoBeam, we did just receive some good news from the lab this week, so
it appears there is light at the end of the tunnel. I wish I had more I
could share, but we'll definitely keep you updated as we get more info.

Thanks,
Matt

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

>  How is that going? I've got the 5.6 beta running on a small selection of
> subscribers, but I'm not really willing to make extensive use of it until
> (if?) it sees the light of day as a real release.
>
> ...and OBTW, what is the ETA on the expanded UNII frequencies on the
> nanobeam platform? Given a choice, I would only install nanobeams these
> days, except they don't cover all the frequencies we need. So I grit my
> teeth and install more (UGH) nanobridges.
> Really wish those boat anchors would go away.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/1/2015 4:29 PM, Matt Hardy wrote:
>
> I have to admit Ubiquiti doesn't have a great track record of SNMP support
> (I know I know) ;) -- but we're working on it. Trying to get it right in
> v5.6 with our new / custom MIB. If you guys need devices to test with,
> we'll be glad to donate a few...
>
>  Thanks,
> Matt
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and
>> ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the
>> way that he is.  I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude;
>> just stating a fact.
>>
>>  Josh
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect  wrote:
>>
>>> Just shows you what sort "person" this guy is. Let him rot in his own
>>> cesspool of hate.  He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would
>>> benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said
>>> "naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it."
>>>
>>> Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance.  I'd like to do it,  but its
>>> too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I
>>> hate all of you.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>  Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>>>
>>>  What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”?
>>> He likes Wispa candy bars?  It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: David Milholen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>>>
>>>  Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code
>>> and is above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else
>>> and only have a decent piece of code nothing more.  This is where open
>>> source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing
>>> to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others
>>> have made and fix what needs to be fixed.
>>> These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.
>>>
>>> Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are
>>> all open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now.
>>> I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long
>>> way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.
>>>
>>> all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or
>>> Lubuntu on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.
>>> Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with
>>> contract and paid invoice.
>>> up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
>>>I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.
>>>
>>>   It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He
>>> was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it
>>> did.
>>>
>>>   Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool,
>>> but that's where we're at for now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   -
>>>   Mike Hammett
>>>   

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Bill Prince]

How is that going? I've got the 5.6 beta running on a small selection of 
subscribers, but I'm not really willing to make extensive use of it 
until (if?) it sees the light of day as a real release.


...and OBTW, what is the ETA on the expanded UNII frequencies on the 
nanobeam platform? Given a choice, I would only install nanobeams these 
days, except they don't cover all the frequencies we need. So I grit my 
teeth and install more (UGH) nanobridges.

Really wish those boat anchors would go away.

bp


On 4/1/2015 4:29 PM, Matt Hardy wrote:
I have to admit Ubiquiti doesn't have a great track record of SNMP 
support (I know I know) ;) -- but we're working on it. Trying to get 
it right in v5.6 with our new / custom MIB. If you guys need devices 
to test with, we'll be glad to donate a few...


Thanks,
Matt

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Josh Baird <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:


A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy
(and ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he
is acting the way that he is.  I am -not- making an excuse for his
behavior or attitude; just stating a fact.

Josh

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:

Just shows you what sort "person" this guy is. Let him rot in
his own cesspool of hate.  He just saw a bunch of work ahead
of him that would benefit a great deal of people, took a half
assed stab at it and then said "naw I'm too lazy I don't want
to do it."

Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance.  I'd like to do
it,  but its too hard therefore I don't want to do it and
screw you I can't do it so I hate all of you.


- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks
of WISPS

What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa
Connoisseur”? He likes Wispa candy bars?  It seems ironic if
he looks down on WISPs.


From: David Milholen
    Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks
of WISPS

Some folks in the coding world think they have the million
dollar code and is above everyone else when in reality they
suck at everything else
and only have a decent piece of code nothing more.  This is
where open source gets versatile and ugly at times because
someone that is willing
to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the
flaws others have made and fix what needs to be fixed.
These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.

Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy
servers are all open source. I dont have a single windows
machine in my office now.
I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has
come a long way so now I run it on my Debian console with no
issue.

all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux
or Lubuntu on them to allow them to switch between networks
quickly.
Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min
with contract and paid invoice.
up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops
to linux.



On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.

  It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper
years ago. He was a tool, but people still bought it because
it was the best at what it did.

  Eventually someone else will make something better and not
be a tool, but that's where we're at for now.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




--

  From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
<mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>
  To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks
of WISPS

  So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I
paid the sub) however you want.  Belittle industries
publically without consequence?

  Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the
end?  I think its because you are probably the person who paid
  

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Matt Hardy]

I have to admit Ubiquiti doesn't have a great track record of SNMP support
(I know I know) ;) -- but we're working on it. Trying to get it right in
v5.6 with our new / custom MIB. If you guys need devices to test with,
we'll be glad to donate a few...

Thanks,
Matt

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and
> ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the
> way that he is.  I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude;
> just stating a fact.
>
> Josh
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect  wrote:
>
>> Just shows you what sort "person" this guy is. Let him rot in his own
>> cesspool of hate.  He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would
>> benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said
>> "naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it."
>>
>> Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance.  I'd like to do it,  but its
>> too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I
>> hate all of you.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>>
>> What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”?  He
>> likes Wispa candy bars?  It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs.
>>
>>
>> From: David Milholen
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>>
>> Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code
>> and is above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else
>> and only have a decent piece of code nothing more.  This is where open
>> source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing
>> to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others
>> have made and fix what needs to be fixed.
>> These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.
>>
>> Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are
>> all open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now.
>> I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long
>> way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.
>>
>> all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu
>> on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.
>> Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with
>> contract and paid invoice.
>> up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>>   I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.
>>
>>   It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He
>> was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it
>> did.
>>
>>   Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool,
>> but that's where we're at for now.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   -
>>   Mike Hammett
>>   Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>   http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>   From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
>>   To: af@afmug.com
>>   Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
>>   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>>
>>   So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub)
>> however you want.  Belittle industries publically without consequence?
>>
>>   Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end?  I think
>> its because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex
>> code in as well as other things and are invested.
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -
>>   From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net
>>   To: af@afmug.com
>>   Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
>>   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>>
>>   Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   -
>>   Mike Hammett
>>   Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>   http://www.ics-il.com
>>
&g

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Shayne Lebrun]

To be fair, there are a lot of ‘standard’ mibs that companies either don’t 
implement (I wish Mikrotik would implement the OSPF mib, for example) or 
reimplement for no good reason (countless devices that ignore the Interfaces 
mib, and roll their own interface counters in their enterprise tree.)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber 
Broadcasting)
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

 

It seems to me as simple as he doesn't want to support anything beyond the 
standard MIBs, no enterprise MIBs. Ooo, interface statistics and system uptime, 
that's everything you need to know!

On 4/1/2015 9:49 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Just different volumes. Tens of millions of units versus a million, or maybe a 
few hundred thousand.




bp

 

On 4/1/2015 7:01 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:

That’s the same in a lot of the telco world as well… DSLAM’s, DS3 Mux gear, 
DWDM gear .. various stuff.. they all have “weird” SNMP support at times…;)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

 

A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and ever 
changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the way that 
he is.  I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude; just stating 
a fact.

 

Josh

 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect  wrote:

Just shows you what sort "person" this guy is. Let him rot in his own cesspool 
of hate.  He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would benefit a great 
deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said "naw I'm too lazy I 
don't want to do it."

Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance.  I'd like to do it,  but its too 
hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I hate all 
of you.


- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”?  He likes 
Wispa candy bars?  It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs.


From: David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and is 
above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else
and only have a decent piece of code nothing more.  This is where open source 
gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing
to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others have 
made and fix what needs to be fixed.
These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.

Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are all 
open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now.
I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long way so 
now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.

all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu on 
them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.
Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with contract 
and paid invoice.
up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux.



On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.

  It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He was a 
tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it did.

  Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool, but 
that's where we're at for now.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com





--


  From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

  So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub) 
however you want.  Belittle industries publically without consequence?

  Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end?  I think its 
because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex code in 
as well as other things and are invested.

  - Original Message -
  From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

  Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do.




  -
  

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)]

It seems to me as simple as he doesn't want to support anything beyond 
the standard MIBs, no enterprise MIBs. Ooo, interface statistics and 
system uptime, that's everything you need to know!


On 4/1/2015 9:49 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Just different volumes. Tens of millions of units versus a million, or 
maybe a few hundred thousand.


bp


On 4/1/2015 7:01 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:


That’s the same in a lot of the telco world as well… DSLAM’s, DS3 Mux 
gear, DWDM gear .. various stuff.. they all have “weird” SNMP support 
at times…;)


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:50 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy 
(and ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is 
acting the way that he is.  I am -not- making an excuse for his 
behavior or attitude; just stating a fact.


Josh

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:


Just shows you what sort "person" this guy is. Let him rot in his
own cesspool of hate.  He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him
that would benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab
at it and then said "naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it."

Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance.  I'd like to do it, 
but its too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I

can't do it so I hate all of you.


- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa
Connoisseur”?  He likes Wispa candy bars?  It seems ironic if he
looks down on WISPs.


From: David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar
code and is above everyone else when in reality they suck at
everything else
and only have a decent piece of code nothing more.  This is where
open source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that
is willing
to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws
others have made and fix what needs to be fixed.
These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.

Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy
servers are all open source. I dont have a single windows machine
in my office now.
I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come
a long way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.

all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or
Lubuntu on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.
Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min
with contract and paid invoice.
up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to
linux.



On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.

  It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years
ago. He was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the
best at what it did.

  Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a
tool, but that's where we're at for now.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--


  From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
<mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>
  To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of
WISPS

  So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid
the sub) however you want. Belittle industries publically without
consequence?

  Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end? 
I think its because you are probably the person who paid him to

put the Trango Apex code in as well as other things and are invested.

  - Original Message -
  From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
      To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of
WISPS

  Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it
does do.

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Bill Prince]

Just different volumes. Tens of millions of units versus a million, or 
maybe a few hundred thousand.


bp


On 4/1/2015 7:01 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:


That’s the same in a lot of the telco world as well… DSLAM’s, DS3 Mux 
gear, DWDM gear .. various stuff.. they all have “weird” SNMP support 
at times…;)


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:50 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy 
(and ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is 
acting the way that he is.  I am -not- making an excuse for his 
behavior or attitude; just stating a fact.


Josh

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:


Just shows you what sort "person" this guy is. Let him rot in his
own cesspool of hate.  He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him
that would benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab
at it and then said "naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it."

Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance.  I'd like to do it, 
but its too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I

can't do it so I hate all of you.


- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa
Connoisseur”?  He likes Wispa candy bars?  It seems ironic if he
looks down on WISPs.


From: David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar
code and is above everyone else when in reality they suck at
everything else
and only have a decent piece of code nothing more. This is where
open source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that
is willing
to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws
others have made and fix what needs to be fixed.
These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.

Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy
servers are all open source. I dont have a single windows machine
in my office now.
I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come
a long way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.

all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or
Lubuntu on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.
Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min
with contract and paid invoice.
up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to
linux.



On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.

  It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years
ago. He was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the
best at what it did.

  Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a
tool, but that's where we're at for now.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--


  From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
<mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>
  To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of
WISPS

  So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid
the sub) however you want.  Belittle industries publically without
consequence?

  Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end?  I
think its because you are probably the person who paid him to put
the Trango Apex code in as well as other things and are invested.

  - Original Message -
  From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
      To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of
WISPS

  Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it
does do.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

  - Original Message -

  From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
    <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>
  To: af@afmug.com &l

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Paul Stewart]

That’s the same in a lot of the telco world as well… DSLAM’s, DS3 Mux gear, 
DWDM gear .. various stuff.. they all have “weird” SNMP support at times…;)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

 

A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and ever 
changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the way that 
he is.  I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude; just stating 
a fact.

 

Josh

 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect mailto:li...@wavedirect.org> > wrote:

Just shows you what sort "person" this guy is. Let him rot in his own cesspool 
of hate.  He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would benefit a great 
deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said "naw I'm too lazy I 
don't want to do it."

Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance.  I'd like to do it,  but its too 
hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I hate all 
of you.


- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”?  He likes 
Wispa candy bars?  It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs.


From: David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and is 
above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else
and only have a decent piece of code nothing more.  This is where open source 
gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing
to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others have 
made and fix what needs to be fixed.
These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.

Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are all 
open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now.
I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long way so 
now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.

all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu on 
them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.
Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with contract 
and paid invoice.
up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux.



On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.

  It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He was a 
tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it did.

  Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool, but 
that's where we're at for now.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com




--


  From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org> 
  To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

  So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub) 
however you want.  Belittle industries publically without consequence?

  Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end?  I think its 
because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex code in 
as well as other things and are invested.

  - Original Message -
  From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> 
  To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

  Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com

  - Original Message -

  From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org> 
  To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

  Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his 
product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was great 
but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to do 
business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work 

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Josh Baird]

A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and
ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the
way that he is.  I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude;
just stating a fact.

Josh

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect  wrote:

> Just shows you what sort "person" this guy is. Let him rot in his own
> cesspool of hate.  He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would
> benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said
> "naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it."
>
> Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance.  I'd like to do it,  but its
> too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I
> hate all of you.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
> What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”?  He
> likes Wispa candy bars?  It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs.
>
>
> From: David Milholen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
> Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and
> is above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else
> and only have a decent piece of code nothing more.  This is where open
> source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing
> to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others
> have made and fix what needs to be fixed.
> These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.
>
> Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are
> all open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now.
> I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long
> way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.
>
> all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu
> on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.
> Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with
> contract and paid invoice.
> up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux.
>
>
>
> On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>   I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.
>
>   It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He
> was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it
> did.
>
>   Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool,
> but that's where we're at for now.
>
>
>
>
>   -
>   Mike Hammett
>   Intelligent Computing Solutions
>   http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>   From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
>   To: af@afmug.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
>   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
>   So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub)
> however you want.  Belittle industries publically without consequence?
>
>   Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end?  I think
> its because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex
> code in as well as other things and are invested.
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net
>   To: af@afmug.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
>   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
>   Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do.
>
>
>
>
>   -
>   Mike Hammett
>   Intelligent Computing Solutions
>   http://www.ics-il.com
>
>   - Original Message -
>
>   From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
>   To: af@afmug.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM
>   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
>   Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his
> product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was
> great but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to
> do business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you
> work for a "retard"
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net
>   To: af@afmug.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, March

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[WaveDirect]

Just shows you what sort "person" this guy is. Let him rot in his own cesspool 
of hate.  He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would benefit a great 
deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said "naw I'm too lazy I 
don't want to do it." 

Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance.  I'd like to do it,  but its too 
hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I hate all 
of you.


- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”?  He likes 
Wispa candy bars?  It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs.


From: David Milholen 
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and is 
above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else 
and only have a decent piece of code nothing more.  This is where open source 
gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing 
to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others have 
made and fix what needs to be fixed.
These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.

Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are all 
open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now.
I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long way so 
now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.

all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu on 
them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.
Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with contract 
and paid invoice.
up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux.



On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.

  It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He was a 
tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it did.

  Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool, but 
that's where we're at for now.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

  So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub) 
however you want.  Belittle industries publically without consequence?  

  Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end?  I think its 
because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex code in 
as well as other things and are invested.  

  - Original Message -
  From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

  Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do. 




  - 
  Mike Hammett 
  Intelligent Computing Solutions 
  http://www.ics-il.com 

  - Original Message -

  From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 

  Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his 
product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was great 
but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to do 
business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work 
for a "retard" 

  - Original Message - 
  From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 

  Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on 
something concrete. 




  - 
  Mike Hammett 
  Intelligent Computing Solutions 
  http://www.ics-il.com 

  - Original Message ----- 

  From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM 
  Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 




  This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its 
pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about 
support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of "wifi people". 
This guy is a true professional. Funny t

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Josh Baird]

Ha, that is funny.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>   What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”?
> He likes Wispa candy bars?  It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs.
>
>
>  *From:* David Milholen 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
> Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and
> is above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else
> and only have a decent piece of code nothing more.  This is where open
> source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing
> to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others
> have made and fix what needs to be fixed.
> These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.
>
> Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are
> all open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now.
> I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long
> way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.
>
> all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu
> on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.
> Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with
> contract and paid invoice.
> up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux.
>
>
> On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.
>
> It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He was
> a tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it did.
>
> Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool, but
> that's where we're at for now.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> ----------
> *From: *"Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
> So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub)
> however you want.  Belittle industries publically without consequence?
>
> Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end?  I think its
> because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex
> code in as well as other things and are invested.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
> Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
> Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his
> product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was
> great but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to
> do business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you
> work for a "retard"
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
> Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on
> something concrete.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
>
>
>
> This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its
> pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about
> support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of "wifi
> people". This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is
> "ghetto". Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our
> MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc.
> But I think I ca

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Ken Hohhof]

What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”?  He likes 
Wispa candy bars?  It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs.


From: David Milholen 
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and is 
above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else 
and only have a decent piece of code nothing more.  This is where open source 
gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing 
to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others have 
made and fix what needs to be fixed.
These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.

Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are all 
open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now.
I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long way so 
now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.

all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu on 
them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.
Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with contract 
and paid invoice.
up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux.



On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.

  It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He was a 
tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it did.

  Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool, but 
that's where we're at for now.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

  So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub) 
however you want.  Belittle industries publically without consequence?  

  Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end?  I think its 
because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex code in 
as well as other things and are invested.  

  - Original Message -
  From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

  Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do. 




  - 
  Mike Hammett 
  Intelligent Computing Solutions 
  http://www.ics-il.com 

  - Original Message -

  From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 

  Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his 
product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was great 
but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to do 
business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work 
for a "retard" 

  - Original Message - 
  From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 

  Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on 
something concrete. 




  - 
  Mike Hammett 
  Intelligent Computing Solutions 
  http://www.ics-il.com 

  - Original Message - 

  From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM 
  Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 




  This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its 
pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about 
support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of "wifi people". 
This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is "ghetto". Sure he 
makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his 
product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by 
without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent 
monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers 
anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium 
support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. 

  [09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) 
  [09:34]  are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of 
mibs for every product? 
  [09:35

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[David Milholen]

Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code 
and is above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else
and only have a decent piece of code nothing more.  This is where open 
source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing
to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others 
have made and fix what needs to be fixed.

 These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.

Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are 
all open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now.
I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long 
way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.


all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or 
Lubuntu on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.
Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with 
contract and paid invoice.

 up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux.


On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.

It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He 
was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what 
it did.


Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool, 
but that's where we're at for now.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Lists" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub) 
however you want.  Belittle industries publically without consequence?


Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end?  I think 
its because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango 
Apex code in as well as other things and are invested.


- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -

From: "Lists" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from 
his product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product 
was great but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody 
will want to do business with a person like this who openly calls you 
and everything you work for a "retard"


- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded 
on something concrete.





-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -

From: "Lists" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS




This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). 
Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply 
asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks 
of "wifi people". This guy is a true professional. Funny they think 
Mikrotik is "ghetto". Sure he makes some valid points about the lack 
of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, 
switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product 
from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring 
systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers 
anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some 
cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming.


[09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :)
[09:34]  are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set 
of mibs for every product?
[09:35]  everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally 
retarded when it comes to writing mibs

[09:37]  yup, they are
[09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and 
all the millions of units out there.

[09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product
[09:38]  jesus
[09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's
[09:38]  can you english?
[09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them
[09:39]  its your standard interface mibs. Other than that 
really there is MAYBE 10 unique things pe

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[That One Guy]

Im working on clarification of my general demeanor

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

>  That wouldn't be NEARLY as fun.
>
> On 03/31/2015 03:04 PM, That One Guy wrote:
>
> I should be more clear less often
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>>  Steve needs to prefix all his posts with 
>> and finish with 
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>>  On 3/31/2015 3:33 PM, Neil Lathwood wrote:
>>
>>   Don't worry about him. That's Steve. He's just in on the comic joke. I
>>> does read that way but he's not implying it is.
>>>
>> Guess I've not been round long enough :)
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>  --
>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Josh Reynolds]

That wouldn't be NEARLY as fun.

On 03/31/2015 03:04 PM, That One Guy wrote:

I should be more clear less often

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


Steve needs to prefix all his posts with 
and finish with 

bp


On 3/31/2015 3:33 PM, Neil Lathwood wrote:


Don't worry about him. That's Steve. He's just in on the
comic joke. I does read that way but he's not implying it is.

Guess I've not been round long enough :)

Neil





--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[That One Guy]

I should be more clear less often

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

>  Steve needs to prefix all his posts with 
> and finish with 
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/31/2015 3:33 PM, Neil Lathwood wrote:
>
>   Don't worry about him. That's Steve. He's just in on the comic joke. I
>> does read that way but he's not implying it is.
>>
> Guess I've not been round long enough :)
>
> Neil
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Bill Prince]

Steve needs to prefix all his posts with 
and finish with 

bp


On 3/31/2015 3:33 PM, Neil Lathwood wrote:


Don't worry about him. That's Steve. He's just in on the comic
joke. I does read that way but he's not implying it is.

Guess I've not been round long enough :)

Neil

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Ty Featherling]

Lol I just realized my phone corrected cosmic to comic. The comic joke? A
little redundant.

-Ty
On Mar 31, 2015 5:34 PM, "Neil Lathwood"  wrote:

> Don't worry about him. That's Steve. He's just in on the comic joke. I
>> does read that way but he's not implying it is.
>>
> Guess I've not been round long enough :)
>
> Neil
>

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Neil Lathwood]

>
> Don't worry about him. That's Steve. He's just in on the comic joke. I
> does read that way but he's not implying it is.
>
Guess I've not been round long enough :)

Neil

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Ken Hohhof]

Sounds like this Adam guy doesn’t know the difference between being able to 
write some code and being a god or a rock star.  Oh, I know, is he related to 
Bieber?


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 5:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

I heard of LibreNMS and its fork when Observium changed licenses, but the last 
time I looked at LibreNMS it was missing enough things from Observium that made 
Adam worth putting up with.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Neil Lathwood" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 12:24:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS


Hi Folks, 

Apologies I couldn't reply directly to this thread but I wasn't subscribed 
earlier.

Someone from the Observium IRC channel directed me to this thread. I help 
develop a fork of Observium called LibreNMS (www.librenms.org) and wanted to 
see if anyone would be willing to provide us access to or at least an snmpwalk 
of some of the kit you would all like to be monitored in software like ours.

We have someone who is contributing support for ubnt kit pretty soon but we'd 
like to extend support out for as many products as we can so if you feel like 
you can help achieve this then please get in touch.

Hope you don't mind me joining to post this :)

Thanks,

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Ty Featherling]

Don't worry about him. That's Steve. He's just in on the comic joke. I does
read that way but he's not implying it is.

-Ty
On Mar 31, 2015 5:16 PM, "Neil Lathwood"  wrote:

> On 31 March 2015 at 22:40, That One Guy  wrote:
>
>> this whole thread plays out like a scripted product launch
>>
>
> Sorry I'm unsure what you're referring to with this but this isn't a
> commercial product or exercise. Myself and lot of others invest a good
> amount of time in development for LibreNMS.
>
> Neil
>

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Josh Reynolds]

I don't know, but it's annoying. I've been indirectly "putting up" with 
his attitude up to this point.


Bottom line: if you're an asshole to people and won't add features 
they're asking for (and willing to pay directly for their development), 
then good luck having a good product following long term - assuming 
their are proper alternatives.


On 03/31/2015 02:06 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to 
track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem 
like hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Neil Lathwood" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect <mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:


Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :)  Some of us
may have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them
to help buy other products you want to support.


The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to 
send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see 
what data is available and work on adding support.


Thanks,

Neil

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Neil Lathwood]

On 31 March 2015 at 22:40, That One Guy  wrote:

> this whole thread plays out like a scripted product launch
>

Sorry I'm unsure what you're referring to with this but this isn't a
commercial product or exercise. Myself and lot of others invest a good
amount of time in development for LibreNMS.

Neil

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Mike Hammett]

Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to track? 
I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like hte OID was 
such a small part of everything that needed to be done. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Neil Lathwood"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 




On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect < li...@wavedirect.org > wrote: 


Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :) Some of us may have 
spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy other 
products you want to support. 





The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to send the 
kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is 
available and work on adding support. 


Thanks, 


Neil 

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Mike Hammett]

I heard of LibreNMS and its fork when Observium changed licenses, but the last 
time I looked at LibreNMS it was missing enough things from Observium that made 
Adam worth putting up with. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Neil Lathwood"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 12:24:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 


Hi Folks, 


Apologies I couldn't reply directly to this thread but I wasn't subscribed 
earlier. 


Someone from the Observium IRC channel directed me to this thread. I help 
develop a fork of Observium called LibreNMS ( www.librenms.org ) and wanted to 
see if anyone would be willing to provide us access to or at least an snmpwalk 
of some of the kit you would all like to be monitored in software like ours. 


We have someone who is contributing support for ubnt kit pretty soon but we'd 
like to extend support out for as many products as we can so if you feel like 
you can help achieve this then please get in touch. 


Hope you don't mind me joining to post this :) 

Thanks, 

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Mike Hammett]

I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well. 

It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He was a 
tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it did. 

Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool, but 
that's where we're at for now. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Lists"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 

So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub) however 
you want. Belittle industries publically without consequence? 

Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end? I think its 
because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex code in 
as well as other things and are invested. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 

Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message - 

From: "Lists"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 

Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his 
product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was great 
but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to do 
business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work 
for a "retard" 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 

Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on 
something concrete. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message - 

From: "Lists"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 




This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its 
pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about 
support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of "wifi people". 
This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is "ghetto". Sure he 
makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his 
product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by 
without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent 
monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers 
anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium 
support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. 

[09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) 
[09:34]  are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs 
for every product? 
[09:35]  everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded 
when it comes to writing mibs 
[09:37]  yup, they are 
[09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the 
millions of units out there. 
[09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product 
[09:38]  jesus 
[09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's 
[09:38]  can you english? 
[09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them 
[09:39]  its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really 
there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product 
[09:40]  fucking wifi people 
[09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors 
[09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all 
sorts of stuff out. 
[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you 
want 
[09:40]  well fuck you all 
[09:40]  Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products. 
[09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the 
biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting 
those 2 fully 
[09:41]  meh 
[09:41]  get them to send us hardware 
[09:41]  and maybe we'll give a shit 
[09:43]  I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even 
arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some 
equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. 
[09:43]  I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. 
[09:49]  to be honest though - I don't think observium is really 
hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless 
bridges first would be the best start. Tha

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[That One Guy]

this whole thread plays out like a scripted product launch


On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Neil Lathwood 
wrote:

> On 31 March 2015 at 22:22, WaveDirect  wrote:
>
>> Wow I'm impressed.
>>
>> I literally had 20 mins before I was going to leave work.  So I thought
>> I'd run a quick install your product.  I spun up a new VM from a template
>> and within 20 mins (following the excellent documentation) I was up and
>> running.  Not only that but all my VMware servers datastores some switches
>> and some 20 hosts were put in instantly and they picked them all up
>> perfectly.
>>
>> Literally by tomorrow morning in my first hour I'll have replaced
>> Observium from my life with hope of there actually being continued
>> development of this product.
>>
>> Excellent work.  You have a new fan.  I'll be in touch with equipment /
>> SNMP information for you as well.
>>
>
> Thanks for the feedback, it's nice to know that we can make a difference.
> If I'm honest though, I'd prefer bad feedback so we can improve things :D
>
> I'm sure you will find issues / bugs as we forked from an older code base,
> if you do please let us know and we will do what we can to sort things out
> for you.
>
> Neil
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Neil Lathwood]

On 31 March 2015 at 22:22, WaveDirect  wrote:

> Wow I'm impressed.
>
> I literally had 20 mins before I was going to leave work.  So I thought
> I'd run a quick install your product.  I spun up a new VM from a template
> and within 20 mins (following the excellent documentation) I was up and
> running.  Not only that but all my VMware servers datastores some switches
> and some 20 hosts were put in instantly and they picked them all up
> perfectly.
>
> Literally by tomorrow morning in my first hour I'll have replaced
> Observium from my life with hope of there actually being continued
> development of this product.
>
> Excellent work.  You have a new fan.  I'll be in touch with equipment /
> SNMP information for you as well.
>

Thanks for the feedback, it's nice to know that we can make a difference.
If I'm honest though, I'd prefer bad feedback so we can improve things :D

I'm sure you will find issues / bugs as we forked from an older code base,
if you do please let us know and we will do what we can to sort things out
for you.

Neil

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[WaveDirect]

Wow I'm impressed.  

I literally had 20 mins before I was going to leave work.  So I thought I'd run 
a quick install your product.  I spun up a new VM from a template and within 20 
mins (following the excellent documentation) I was up and running.  Not only 
that but all my VMware servers datastores some switches and some 20 hosts were 
put in instantly and they picked them all up perfectly.  

Literally by tomorrow morning in my first hour I'll have replaced Observium 
from my life with hope of there actually being continued development of this 
product. 

Excellent work.  You have a new fan.  I'll be in touch with equipment / SNMP 
information for you as well.  

- Original Message -
From: "Neil Lathwood" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 4:26:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

On 31 March 2015 at 21:16, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Hi Neil … it’s a great crew of folks on this list J
>
>
>
> I can’t provide public SNMP access as the management of the devices is
> done via private network.Hit me up offline though and we can work
> something out…
>

It seems that way Paul :)

Thanks for the offer, someone else on the list has contacted me and is
sending through snmpwallks and mibs for a variety of WISP kit so stay tuned.

Neil

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Neil Lathwood]

On 31 March 2015 at 21:16, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Hi Neil … it’s a great crew of folks on this list J
>
>
>
> I can’t provide public SNMP access as the management of the devices is
> done via private network.Hit me up offline though and we can work
> something out…
>

It seems that way Paul :)

Thanks for the offer, someone else on the list has contacted me and is
sending through snmpwallks and mibs for a variety of WISP kit so stay tuned.

Neil

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Paul Stewart]

Hi Neil … it’s a great crew of folks on this list :)

 

I can’t provide public SNMP access as the management of the devices is done via 
private network.Hit me up offline though and we can work something out…

 

Cheers,

Paul

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Neil Lathwood
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 2:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

 

On 31 March 2015 at 19:30, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Neil – in the “network world” I have access to quite an array of gear.  Let me 
know if you ever need an SNMP walk and testing for anything specific .. always 
happy to help out.  Juniper/Cisco specifically is where I can help the most …

 

Wow, didn't expect such an amazing response from this :)

 

Cisco we're hopefully covered but Juniper would be good. Is this production 
kit? SNMP stacks can sometimes be a bit unreliable so I'm always nervous about 
running pollers against peoples live kit :)

 

If you wouldn't mind could I send over an IP for you to configure snmp access 
on, let me know the details and I'll do some tests to see how well LibreNMS 
handles Juniper kit and grab any necessary SNMP data we may need.

 

Neil

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[D. Ryan Spott]

I don't usually have time for a**holes. I deal with myself wy too much.

I was going to just commit code to support MTik or UBNT or Canopy but 
then I read this:


   Code Contributions
   By contributing code you are making a donation and forfeit all
   copyright to the project leader, Adam Armstrong. We will not commit
   personal copyrights into our codebase.

   Observium is currently licensed under a modified QPL-1.0 license. We
   reserve the right to change the license for all or part of the code
   at any time.

Let's just start using this: https://github.com/librenms/librenms They 
seem pleasant enough.


   We intend LibreNMS to be a viable project and community that:

   encourages contribution,
   focuses on the needs of its users, and
   offers a welcoming, friendly environment for everyone.

ryan

On 3/31/15 11:16 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
This pretty much is my experience with him as well, and it wasn't even 
related to wireless.


On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Lists > wrote:


This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not
private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info
etc.  I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know
exactly what he thinks of  "wifi people".   This guy is a true
professional.  Funny they think Mikrotik is "ghetto". Sure he
makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS.  I
liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. 
But I think I can get by without his product from now on.  This is

the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems.  It
lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway.  I
literally started off with that sentence.  He added some cambium
support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming.

[09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :)
[09:34] * are they another bunch of fucktards who make a
new set of mibs for every product?*
[09:35] * everyone involved in wireless seems to be
literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs*
[09:37] * yup, they are*
[09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then
and all the millions of units out there.
[09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product
[09:38]  jesus
[09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular
AP's
[09:38]  can you english?
[09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them
[09:39]  its your standard interface mibs.  Other than
that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product
*[09:40]  fucking wifi people*
[09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381
vendors
[09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could
pull all sorts of stuff out.
*[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support
the stuff you want*
*[09:40]  well fuck you all*
[09:40]  *Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those
products.*
[09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium
is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd
stick to supporting those 2 fully
[09:41]  meh
*[09:41]  get them to send us hardware*
*[09:41]  and maybe we'll give a shit*
*[09:43]  I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. 
I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network

so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate
environment for you. *
*[09:43]  I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. *
[09:49]  to be honest though -  I don't think observium
is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers.  Maybe starting
with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. 
That isn't so overwhelming

[09:57]  you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers
about how they really should build a pickup truck
[09:57] * i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2
shits about wireless*
*[09:57]  Who do you think delivers internet to the
massive areas between the major cities?*
*[09:58]  i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries
or not?*
[09:58]  Yeah all of the Western hemisphere..
[09:59]  lol
[09:59]  XD
*[10:01]  my patience for people asking for wireless stuff
ran out long ago*
[10:01]  Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high
percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet..  
 yeah take this one.  Its probably too hard and too much work for

you.  Because the wireless industry is retarded.
[10:01]  i know it is
[10:02]  Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins
for anything.  Cacti is old and busted.  Your product is new and
refreshing.  That is why the industry is bugging you.
[10:04]  go and make some cacti graphs then
[10:04]  i'm really fucking sick of this shit
[10:04]  it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things
[10:04]  espe

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Neil Lathwood]

On 31 March 2015 at 19:30, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Neil – in the “network world” I have access to quite an array of gear.
> Let me know if you ever need an SNMP walk and testing for anything specific
> .. always happy to help out.  Juniper/Cisco specifically is where I can
> help the most …
>
>
> Wow, didn't expect such an amazing response from this :)

Cisco we're hopefully covered but Juniper would be good. Is this production
kit? SNMP stacks can sometimes be a bit unreliable so I'm always nervous
about running pollers against peoples live kit :)

If you wouldn't mind could I send over an IP for you to configure snmp
access on, let me know the details and I'll do some tests to see how well
LibreNMS handles Juniper kit and grab any necessary SNMP data we may need.

Neil

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Paul Stewart]

Neil – in the “network world” I have access to quite an array of gear.  Let me 
know if you ever need an SNMP walk and testing for anything specific .. always 
happy to help out.  Juniper/Cisco specifically is where I can help the most …

 

Cheers,

Paul

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Neil Lathwood
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 2:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

 

On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect mailto:li...@wavedirect.org> > wrote:

Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :)  Some of us may have 
spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy other 
products you want to support.

 

The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to send the 
kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is 
available and work on adding support.

 

Thanks,

 

Neil

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Josh Baird]

This pretty much is my experience with him as well, and it wasn't even
related to wireless.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Lists  wrote:

> This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its
> pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc.  I simply asked about
> support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of  "wifi
> people".   This guy is a true professional.  Funny they think Mikrotik is
> "ghetto".  Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our
> MIBS.  I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc.
> But I think I can get by without his product from now on.  This is the
> luxury of having many independent monitoring systems.  It lacks any real
> alerting system or agents for servers anyway.  I literally started off with
> that sentence.  He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted
> to know if more was coming.
>
> [09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :)
> [09:34] * are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set
> of mibs for every product?*
> [09:35] * everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally
> retarded when it comes to writing mibs*
> [09:37] * yup, they are*
> [09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all
> the millions of units out there.
> [09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product
> [09:38]  jesus
> [09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's
> [09:38]  can you english?
> [09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them
> [09:39]  its your standard interface mibs.  Other than that
> really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product
> *[09:40]  fucking wifi people*
> [09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors
> [09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all
> sorts of stuff out.
> *[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support the
> stuff you want*
> *[09:40]  well fuck you all*
> [09:40]  *Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.*
> [09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the
> biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting
> those 2 fully
> [09:41]  meh
> *[09:41]  get them to send us hardware*
> *[09:41]  and maybe we'll give a shit*
> *[09:43]  I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure.  I could
> even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe
> some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you.  *
> *[09:43]  I'm pretty sure I offered a few times.  *
> [09:49]  to be honest though -  I don't think observium is
> really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers.  Maybe starting with just the
> wireless bridges first would be the best start.  That isn't so overwhelming
> [09:57]  you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how
> they really should build a pickup truck
> [09:57] * i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits
> about wireless*
> *[09:57]  Who do you think delivers internet to the massive
> areas between the major cities?*
> *[09:58]  i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not?*
> [09:58]  Yeah all of the Western hemisphere..
> [09:59]  lol
> [09:59]  XD
> *[10:01]  my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out
> long ago*
> [10:01]  Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high
> percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet..yeah take
> this one.  Its probably too hard and too much work for you.  Because the
> wireless industry is retarded.
> [10:01]  i know it is
> [10:02]  Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for
> anything.  Cacti is old and busted.  Your product is new and refreshing.
> That is why the industry is bugging you.
> [10:04]  go and make some cacti graphs then
> [10:04]  i'm really fucking sick of this shit
> [10:04]  it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things
> [10:04]  especially no nfucking wireless stuff
> [10:04]  so just fuck off
> [10:04]  it's not going to happen
> [10:04]  and every one who asks makes it less likely to happen
> [*10:06]  But I'll bet if you asked for help you'd get it.
> Look I was willing to set you up a network with all the devices you need*
> [10:06]  excuse me whilst i replace these 32*10G bundles with some
> wireless
> [10:06]  HURR
> [10:06]  no
> *[10:06]  i'd get a pile of useless shitty code*
> *[10:06]  that's the only thing we've ever gotten from the
> "community"*
> [10:09]  *adama: make Observium -3rd world edition, that only
> supports mikrotik and ghetto wireless hardware*
> [10:09]  hah
> [10:10]  Mainly because its (Mikrotik) like 10% of the price and
> does the same job and even better in many cases.
> [10:11]  no, they use it because it "just about works" and costs
> 10% of the price
> [10:11]  Dragonwave aint ghetto nor some of these other backhaul
> manufacturers.
> [10:12]  and your proof is from what experience?
> [10:12]  Sounds like a case of "they suck over there"  and "I
> k

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Neil Lathwood]

On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect  wrote:

> Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :)  Some of us may
> have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy
> other products you want to support.
>

The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to send
the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is
available and work on adding support.

Thanks,

Neil

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[WaveDirect]

Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :)  Some of us may have 
spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy other 
products you want to support.  

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:56:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

People need to eat... And well, beer.

Nothing wrong with donations :P

On March 31, 2015 9:55:04 AM AKDT, Neil Lathwood  
wrote:
>Thanks for the welcome.
>
>No financial support needed :) We all contribute to provide a better
>product, it's Open source and going to stay that way.
>
>Neil
>
>On 31 March 2015 at 18:49, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> Hi Neil! Welcome to the list! We appreciate your fork , and hard work
>:)
>>
>> I'm sure the more features you add for this community (which is very
>> large, globally), the more likely people will be willing to show
>their
>> appreciation via financial support.
>>
>> On March 31, 2015 9:24:09 AM AKDT, Neil Lathwood
>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> Apologies I couldn't reply directly to this thread but I wasn't
>>> subscribed earlier.
>>>
>>> Someone from the Observium IRC channel directed me to this thread. I
>help
>>> develop a fork of Observium called LibreNMS (www.librenms.org) and
>>> wanted to see if anyone would be willing to provide us access to or
>at
>>> least an snmpwalk of some of the kit you would all like to be
>monitored in
>>> software like ours.
>>>
>>> We have someone who is contributing support for ubnt kit pretty soon
>but
>>> we'd like to extend support out for as many products as we can so if
>you
>>> feel like you can help achieve this then please get in touch.
>>>
>>> Hope you don't mind me joining to post this :)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Josh Reynolds]

People need to eat... And well, beer.

Nothing wrong with donations :P

On March 31, 2015 9:55:04 AM AKDT, Neil Lathwood  
wrote:
>Thanks for the welcome.
>
>No financial support needed :) We all contribute to provide a better
>product, it's Open source and going to stay that way.
>
>Neil
>
>On 31 March 2015 at 18:49, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> Hi Neil! Welcome to the list! We appreciate your fork , and hard work
>:)
>>
>> I'm sure the more features you add for this community (which is very
>> large, globally), the more likely people will be willing to show
>their
>> appreciation via financial support.
>>
>> On March 31, 2015 9:24:09 AM AKDT, Neil Lathwood
>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> Apologies I couldn't reply directly to this thread but I wasn't
>>> subscribed earlier.
>>>
>>> Someone from the Observium IRC channel directed me to this thread. I
>help
>>> develop a fork of Observium called LibreNMS (www.librenms.org) and
>>> wanted to see if anyone would be willing to provide us access to or
>at
>>> least an snmpwalk of some of the kit you would all like to be
>monitored in
>>> software like ours.
>>>
>>> We have someone who is contributing support for ubnt kit pretty soon
>but
>>> we'd like to extend support out for as many products as we can so if
>you
>>> feel like you can help achieve this then please get in touch.
>>>
>>> Hope you don't mind me joining to post this :)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Neil Lathwood]

Thanks for the welcome.

No financial support needed :) We all contribute to provide a better
product, it's Open source and going to stay that way.

Neil

On 31 March 2015 at 18:49, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Hi Neil! Welcome to the list! We appreciate your fork , and hard work :)
>
> I'm sure the more features you add for this community (which is very
> large, globally), the more likely people will be willing to show their
> appreciation via financial support.
>
> On March 31, 2015 9:24:09 AM AKDT, Neil Lathwood 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Apologies I couldn't reply directly to this thread but I wasn't
>> subscribed earlier.
>>
>> Someone from the Observium IRC channel directed me to this thread. I help
>> develop a fork of Observium called LibreNMS (www.librenms.org) and
>> wanted to see if anyone would be willing to provide us access to or at
>> least an snmpwalk of some of the kit you would all like to be monitored in
>> software like ours.
>>
>> We have someone who is contributing support for ubnt kit pretty soon but
>> we'd like to extend support out for as many products as we can so if you
>> feel like you can help achieve this then please get in touch.
>>
>> Hope you don't mind me joining to post this :)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Josh Reynolds]

Hi Neil! Welcome to the list! We appreciate your fork , and hard work :)

I'm sure the more features you add for this community (which is very large, 
globally), the more likely people will be willing to show their appreciation 
via financial support.

On March 31, 2015 9:24:09 AM AKDT, Neil Lathwood  
wrote:
>Hi Folks,
>
>Apologies I couldn't reply directly to this thread but I wasn't
>subscribed
>earlier.
>
>Someone from the Observium IRC channel directed me to this thread. I
>help
>develop a fork of Observium called LibreNMS (www.librenms.org) and
>wanted
>to see if anyone would be willing to provide us access to or at least
>an
>snmpwalk of some of the kit you would all like to be monitored in
>software
>like ours.
>
>We have someone who is contributing support for ubnt kit pretty soon
>but
>we'd like to extend support out for as many products as we can so if
>you
>feel like you can help achieve this then please get in touch.
>
>Hope you don't mind me joining to post this :)
>
>Thanks,

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[WaveDirect]

Interesting.  I didn't know you existed.  Checking the docs and I saw this:  
http://docs.librenms.org/General/Welcome-to-Observium-users/

Its the right attitude.  I'll definitely give your product a run through.  We 
don't use UBNT but many WISPS do and will be appreciative.  

- Original Message -
From: "Neil Lathwood" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:24:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

Hi Folks,

Apologies I couldn't reply directly to this thread but I wasn't subscribed
earlier.

Someone from the Observium IRC channel directed me to this thread. I help
develop a fork of Observium called LibreNMS (www.librenms.org) and wanted
to see if anyone would be willing to provide us access to or at least an
snmpwalk of some of the kit you would all like to be monitored in software
like ours.

We have someone who is contributing support for ubnt kit pretty soon but
we'd like to extend support out for as many products as we can so if you
feel like you can help achieve this then please get in touch.

Hope you don't mind me joining to post this :)

Thanks,

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Neil Lathwood]

Hi Folks,

Apologies I couldn't reply directly to this thread but I wasn't subscribed
earlier.

Someone from the Observium IRC channel directed me to this thread. I help
develop a fork of Observium called LibreNMS (www.librenms.org) and wanted
to see if anyone would be willing to provide us access to or at least an
snmpwalk of some of the kit you would all like to be monitored in software
like ours.

We have someone who is contributing support for ubnt kit pretty soon but
we'd like to extend support out for as many products as we can so if you
feel like you can help achieve this then please get in touch.

Hope you don't mind me joining to post this :)

Thanks,

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Paul Stewart]

Observium has it’s place in some networks but it’s far from complete.  It’s 
rather neat software in it’s limited form.

 

That’s gotta be about the most unprofessional “chat” I’ve seen though from 
someone… 

 

One thing that I have taught companies time and time again – typically wireless 
providers are thought of as “small guys” and let’s be honest … there’s a lot of 
small WISP’s out there busting their butts to provide service where nobody else 
can/will.  There are also some good sized “medium companies” in wireless.  I 
would far rather have a dozen “small guy” customers to deal with than one large 
customer…. They tend to me more loyal and accommodating vs larger companies to 
deal with.

 

Just my two cents worth ;)

 

Paul

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

 

I wonder what the Tier 1 wireless carriers would think of that too.  But maybe 
that isn’t their market either.

 

***

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SAF North America LLC

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com <mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> 

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84> 

 

***

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

 

I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary can 
discus wireless

 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org> > wrote:

This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its 
pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc.  I simply asked about 
support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of  "wifi people".   
This guy is a true professional.  Funny they think Mikrotik is "ghetto".  Sure 
he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS.  I liked his 
product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc.  But I think I can get 
by without his product from now on.  This is the luxury of having many 
independent monitoring systems.  It lacks any real alerting system or agents 
for servers anyway.  I literally started off with that sentence.  He added some 
cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming.  

[09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :)
[09:34]  are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs 
for every product?
[09:35]  everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded 
when it comes to writing mibs
[09:37]  yup, they are
[09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the 
millions of units out there.
[09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product
[09:38]  jesus
[09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's
[09:38]  can you english?
[09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them
[09:39]  its your standard interface mibs.  Other than that really 
there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product
[09:40]  fucking wifi people
[09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors
[09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all 
sorts of stuff out.  
[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you 
want
[09:40]  well fuck you all
[09:40]  Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.
[09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the 
biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting 
those 2 fully
[09:41]  meh
[09:41]  get them to send us hardware
[09:41]  and maybe we'll give a shit
[09:43]  I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure.  I could even 
arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some 
equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you.  
[09:43]  I'm pretty sure I offered a few times.  
[09:49]  to be honest though -  I don't think observium is really 
hugely needed for AP's and subcribers.  Maybe starting with just the wireless 
bridges first would be the best start.  That isn't so overwhelming
[09:57]  you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they 
really should build a pickup truck
[09:57]  i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about 
wireless
[09:57]  Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas 
between the major cities?
[09:58]  i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not?
[09:58]  Yeah all of the Western hemisphere..
[09:59]  lol
[09:59]  XD
[10:01]  my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[WaveDirect]

Right but ... does crying over spilled milk solve anything?  Or does hard work? 
 Focus on cleaning it up, not on the fact it spilled.

I didn't deny SNMP in the wireless industry sucks.  But I told him to focus on 
the biggest impact that would help our industry and his product such as 
backhauls and important high level stuff or the most widely used stuff.  

Instead of dismissing it and its customer base who was willing to send him 
thousands of dollars of equipment.  I've offered to contribute thousands of 
dollars if he'd put more time into some wireless.  I've offered twice to send 
him some AP's and SM's.  I've offered to specifically get him all the OID's of 
the most important stuff just for one product.  

Personally I think he just has some serious hate issues and inferiority complex 
that makes him look down upon others to make himself feel better.  

That is why any pictures of the guy is from a low camera angle to try and make 
him look tall.  Psyche 101 



- Original Message -
From: "Seth Mattinen" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:40:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

On 3/31/15 8:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded
> on something concrete.
>

The "you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors" line did 
make me laugh.

He must have been exposed to what UBNT calls SNMP support.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Lists]

So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub) however 
you want.  Belittle industries publically without consequence?  

Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end?  I think its 
because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex code in 
as well as other things and are invested.  

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Lists"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 

Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his 
product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was great 
but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to do 
business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work 
for a "retard" 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 

Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on 
something concrete. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message - 

From: "Lists"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 




This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its 
pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about 
support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of "wifi people". 
This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is "ghetto". Sure he 
makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his 
product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by 
without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent 
monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers 
anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium 
support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. 

[09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) 
[09:34]  are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs 
for every product? 
[09:35]  everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded 
when it comes to writing mibs 
[09:37]  yup, they are 
[09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the 
millions of units out there. 
[09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product 
[09:38]  jesus 
[09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's 
[09:38]  can you english? 
[09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them 
[09:39]  its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really 
there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product 
[09:40]  fucking wifi people 
[09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors 
[09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all 
sorts of stuff out. 
[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you 
want 
[09:40]  well fuck you all 
[09:40]  Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products. 
[09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the 
biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting 
those 2 fully 
[09:41]  meh 
[09:41]  get them to send us hardware 
[09:41]  and maybe we'll give a shit 
[09:43]  I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even 
arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some 
equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. 
[09:43]  I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. 
[09:49]  to be honest though - I don't think observium is really 
hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless 
bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming 
[09:57]  you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they 
really should build a pickup truck 
[09:57]  i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about 
wireless 
[09:57]  Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas 
between the major cities? 
[09:58]  i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not? 
[09:58]  Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. 
[09:59]  lol 
[09:59]  XD 
[10:01]  my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long 
ago 
[10:01]  Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage 

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/31/15 8:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded
on something concrete.



The "you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors" line did 
make me laugh.


He must have been exposed to what UBNT calls SNMP support.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Mike Hammett]

Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Lists"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 

Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his 
product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was great 
but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to do 
business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work 
for a "retard" 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 

Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on 
something concrete. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message - 

From: "Lists"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 




This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its 
pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about 
support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of "wifi people". 
This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is "ghetto". Sure he 
makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his 
product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by 
without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent 
monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers 
anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium 
support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. 

[09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) 
[09:34]  are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs 
for every product? 
[09:35]  everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded 
when it comes to writing mibs 
[09:37]  yup, they are 
[09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the 
millions of units out there. 
[09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product 
[09:38]  jesus 
[09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's 
[09:38]  can you english? 
[09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them 
[09:39]  its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really 
there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product 
[09:40]  fucking wifi people 
[09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors 
[09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all 
sorts of stuff out. 
[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you 
want 
[09:40]  well fuck you all 
[09:40]  Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products. 
[09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the 
biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting 
those 2 fully 
[09:41]  meh 
[09:41]  get them to send us hardware 
[09:41]  and maybe we'll give a shit 
[09:43]  I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even 
arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some 
equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. 
[09:43]  I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. 
[09:49]  to be honest though - I don't think observium is really 
hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless 
bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming 
[09:57]  you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they 
really should build a pickup truck 
[09:57]  i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about 
wireless 
[09:57]  Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas 
between the major cities? 
[09:58]  i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not? 
[09:58]  Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. 
[09:59]  lol 
[09:59]  XD 
[10:01]  my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long 
ago 
[10:01]  Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage 
of industry in the world that delivers internet.. yeah take this one. Its 
probably too hard and too much work for you. Because the wireless industry is 
retarded. 
[10:01]  i know it is 
[10:02]  Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for anything. 
Cacti is old and busted. Your product is new and refreshing. That is why the 
industry is bugging you. 
[10:04]  go and make some cacti graphs then 
[10:04]  i'm really fucking sick of this shit 
[10:04]  it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things 
[10:04]  especi

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Lists]

Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his 
product with his personality.  I openly admitted to him his product was great 
but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall.  Nobody will want to do 
business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work 
for a "retard" 

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on 
something concrete. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Lists"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 




This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its 
pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about 
support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of "wifi people". 
This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is "ghetto". Sure he 
makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his 
product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by 
without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent 
monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers 
anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium 
support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. 

[09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) 
[09:34]  are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs 
for every product? 
[09:35]  everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded 
when it comes to writing mibs 
[09:37]  yup, they are 
[09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the 
millions of units out there. 
[09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product 
[09:38]  jesus 
[09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's 
[09:38]  can you english? 
[09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them 
[09:39]  its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really 
there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product 
[09:40]  fucking wifi people 
[09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors 
[09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all 
sorts of stuff out. 
[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you 
want 
[09:40]  well fuck you all 
[09:40]  Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products. 
[09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the 
biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting 
those 2 fully 
[09:41]  meh 
[09:41]  get them to send us hardware 
[09:41]  and maybe we'll give a shit 
[09:43]  I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even 
arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some 
equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. 
[09:43]  I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. 
[09:49]  to be honest though - I don't think observium is really 
hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless 
bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming 
[09:57]  you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they 
really should build a pickup truck 
[09:57]  i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about 
wireless 
[09:57]  Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas 
between the major cities? 
[09:58]  i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not? 
[09:58]  Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. 
[09:59]  lol 
[09:59]  XD 
[10:01]  my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long 
ago 
[10:01]  Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage 
of industry in the world that delivers internet.. yeah take this one. Its 
probably too hard and too much work for you. Because the wireless industry is 
retarded. 
[10:01]  i know it is 
[10:02]  Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for anything. 
Cacti is old and busted. Your product is new and refreshing. That is why the 
industry is bugging you. 
[10:04]  go and make some cacti graphs then 
[10:04]  i'm really fucking sick of this shit 
[10:04]  it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things 
[10:04]  especially no nfucking wireless stuff 
[10:04]  so just fuck off 
[10:04]  it's not going to happen 
[10:04]  and every one who asks makes it less likely to happen 
[ 10:06]  But I'll bet if you asked for help you'd get it. Look I was 
willing to set you up a network with all the devices you need 
[10:06]  excuse me whilst i replace these 32

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[That One Guy]

he probably has dealt with ubnt snmp and assumes most of this industry is
as big of a joke

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> I guess you're just not supposed to have any special features...
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>>   Well, the standard mib covers most stuff.  You add a little extra for
>> your special features.  What exactly is wrong with that?  How else do you
>> do it?
>>
>>  *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:25 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>>
>>  >[09:35]  everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally
>> retarded when it comes to writing mibs
>>
>> I wonder if he has a cell phone.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>>
>>>  I wonder what the Tier 1 wireless carriers would think of that too.
>>> But maybe that isn’t their market either.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> Daniel White - Managing Director
>>>
>>> SAF North America LLC
>>>
>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>>
>>> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>>>
>>> Skype: danieldwhite
>>> Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:22 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick
>>> Leary can discus wireless
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists  wrote:
>>>
>>>   This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private).
>>> Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc.  I simply asked
>>> about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of  "wifi
>>> people".   This guy is a true professional.  Funny they think Mikrotik is
>>> "ghetto".  Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our
>>> MIBS.  I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc.
>>> But I think I can get by without his product from now on.  This is the
>>> luxury of having many independent monitoring systems.  It lacks any real
>>> alerting system or agents for servers anyway.  I literally started off with
>>> that sentence.  He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted
>>> to know if more was coming.
>>>
>>> [09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :)
>>> [09:34] * are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set
>>> of mibs for every product?*
>>> [09:35] * everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally
>>> retarded when it comes to writing mibs*
>>> [09:37] * yup, they are*
>>> [09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all
>>> the millions of units out there.
>>> [09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product
>>> [09:38]  jesus
>>> [09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's
>>> [09:38]  can you english?
>>> [09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them
>>> [09:39]  its your standard interface mibs.  Other than that
>>> really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product
>>> *[09:40]  fucking wifi people*
>>> [09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors
>>> [09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could pull
>>> all sorts of stuff out.
>>> *[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support the
>>> stuff you want*
>>> *[09:40]  well fuck you all*
>>> [09:40]  *Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those
>>> products.*
>>> [09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the
>>> biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting
>>> those 2 fully
>>> [09:41]  meh
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Mathew Howard]

I guess you're just not supposed to have any special features...

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

>   Well, the standard mib covers most stuff.  You add a little extra for
> your special features.  What exactly is wrong with that?  How else do you
> do it?
>
>  *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
>  >[09:35]  everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally
> retarded when it comes to writing mibs
>
> I wonder if he has a cell phone.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>
>>  I wonder what the Tier 1 wireless carriers would think of that too.
>> But maybe that isn’t their market either.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ***
>>
>> Daniel White - Managing Director
>>
>> SAF North America LLC
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>
>> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>>
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ***********************
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:22 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>>
>>
>>
>> I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary
>> can discus wireless
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists  wrote:
>>
>>   This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private).
>> Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc.  I simply asked
>> about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of  "wifi
>> people".   This guy is a true professional.  Funny they think Mikrotik is
>> "ghetto".  Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our
>> MIBS.  I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc.
>> But I think I can get by without his product from now on.  This is the
>> luxury of having many independent monitoring systems.  It lacks any real
>> alerting system or agents for servers anyway.  I literally started off with
>> that sentence.  He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted
>> to know if more was coming.
>>
>> [09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :)
>> [09:34] * are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set
>> of mibs for every product?*
>> [09:35] * everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally
>> retarded when it comes to writing mibs*
>> [09:37] * yup, they are*
>> [09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all
>> the millions of units out there.
>> [09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product
>> [09:38]  jesus
>> [09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's
>> [09:38]  can you english?
>> [09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them
>> [09:39]  its your standard interface mibs.  Other than that
>> really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product
>> *[09:40]  fucking wifi people*
>> [09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors
>> [09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could pull
>> all sorts of stuff out.
>> *[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support the
>> stuff you want*
>> *[09:40]  well fuck you all*
>> [09:40]  *Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.*
>> [09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the
>> biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting
>> those 2 fully
>> [09:41]  meh
>> *[09:41]  get them to send us hardware*
>> *[09:41]  and maybe we'll give a shit*
>> *[09:43]  I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure.  I
>> could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can
>> probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you.
>> *
>> *[09:43]  I'm pretty sure I offered a few times.  *
>> [09:49]  to be honest though -  I don't think observium is
>> really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers.  Maybe starting with just the
>> wireless bridge

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Josh Luthman]

"Over 177 separate OS types are currently supported including autodetection
and graphing of sensors from 76 MIBs as well as collection of CPU metrics
from 35 MIBs and memory metrics from 33 MIBs"

Won't add more because of some weird personal grudge?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Lists  wrote:

> Send him a twitter message  @memeticadama
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:25:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
> >[09:35]  everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally
> retarded when it comes to writing mibs
>
> I wonder if he has a cell phone.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>
> > I wonder what the Tier 1 wireless carriers would think of that too.  But
> > maybe that isn’t their market either.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ***
> >
> > Daniel White - Managing Director
> >
> > SAF North America LLC
> >
> > Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
> >
> > daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
> >
> > Skype: danieldwhite
> > Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ***********************
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:22 AM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
> >
> >
> >
> > I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary
> > can discus wireless
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists  wrote:
> >
> > This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its
> > pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc.  I simply asked
> about
> > support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of  "wifi
> > people".   This guy is a true professional.  Funny they think Mikrotik is
> > "ghetto".  Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our
> > MIBS.  I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc.
> > But I think I can get by without his product from now on.  This is the
> > luxury of having many independent monitoring systems.  It lacks any real
> > alerting system or agents for servers anyway.  I literally started off
> with
> > that sentence.  He added some cambium support a few months ago so I
> wanted
> > to know if more was coming.
> >
> > [09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :)
> > [09:34] * are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set
> > of mibs for every product?*
> > [09:35] * everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally
> > retarded when it comes to writing mibs*
> > [09:37] * yup, they are*
> > [09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all
> > the millions of units out there.
> > [09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product
> > [09:38]  jesus
> > [09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's
> > [09:38]  can you english?
> > [09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them
> > [09:39]  its your standard interface mibs.  Other than that
> > really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product
> > *[09:40]  fucking wifi people*
> > [09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors
> > [09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could pull
> all
> > sorts of stuff out.
> > *[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support the
> > stuff you want*
> > *[09:40]  well fuck you all*
> > [09:40]  *Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.*
> > [09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the
> > biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to
> supporting
> > those 2 fully
> > [09:41]  meh
> > *[09:41]  get them to send us hardware*
> > *[09:41]  and maybe we'll give a shit*
> > *[09:43]  I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure.  I
> could
> > even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can
> probe
> > some equipment we 

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Mike Hammett]

Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on 
something concrete. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Lists"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS 




This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its 
pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about 
support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of "wifi people". 
This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is "ghetto". Sure he 
makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his 
product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by 
without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent 
monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers 
anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium 
support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. 

[09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) 
[09:34]  are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs 
for every product? 
[09:35]  everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded 
when it comes to writing mibs 
[09:37]  yup, they are 
[09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the 
millions of units out there. 
[09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product 
[09:38]  jesus 
[09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's 
[09:38]  can you english? 
[09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them 
[09:39]  its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really 
there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product 
[09:40]  fucking wifi people 
[09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors 
[09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all 
sorts of stuff out. 
[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you 
want 
[09:40]  well fuck you all 
[09:40]  Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products. 
[09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the 
biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting 
those 2 fully 
[09:41]  meh 
[09:41]  get them to send us hardware 
[09:41]  and maybe we'll give a shit 
[09:43]  I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even 
arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some 
equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. 
[09:43]  I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. 
[09:49]  to be honest though - I don't think observium is really 
hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless 
bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming 
[09:57]  you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they 
really should build a pickup truck 
[09:57]  i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about 
wireless 
[09:57]  Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas 
between the major cities? 
[09:58]  i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not? 
[09:58]  Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. 
[09:59]  lol 
[09:59]  XD 
[10:01]  my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long 
ago 
[10:01]  Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage 
of industry in the world that delivers internet.. yeah take this one. Its 
probably too hard and too much work for you. Because the wireless industry is 
retarded. 
[10:01]  i know it is 
[10:02]  Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for anything. 
Cacti is old and busted. Your product is new and refreshing. That is why the 
industry is bugging you. 
[10:04]  go and make some cacti graphs then 
[10:04]  i'm really fucking sick of this shit 
[10:04]  it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things 
[10:04]  especially no nfucking wireless stuff 
[10:04]  so just fuck off 
[10:04]  it's not going to happen 
[10:04]  and every one who asks makes it less likely to happen 
[ 10:06]  But I'll bet if you asked for help you'd get it. Look I was 
willing to set you up a network with all the devices you need 
[10:06]  excuse me whilst i replace these 32*10G bundles with some 
wireless 
[10:06]  HURR 
[10:06]  no 
[10:06]  i'd get a pile of useless shitty code 
[10:06]  that's the only thing we've ever gotten from the "community" 
[10:09]  adama: make Observium -3rd world edition, that only supports 
mikrotik and ghetto wireless hardware 
[10:09]  hah 
[10:10]  Mainly because its (Mikrotik) like 10% of the price and does 
the same job and even better in many cases. 
[10:11]  no, they use it because it "just about works" and costs 10

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Lists]

Send him a twitter message  @memeticadama

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:25:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

>[09:35]  everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally
retarded when it comes to writing mibs

I wonder if he has a cell phone.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Daniel White  wrote:

> I wonder what the Tier 1 wireless carriers would think of that too.  But
> maybe that isn’t their market either.
>
>
>
> ***
>
> Daniel White - Managing Director
>
> SAF North America LLC
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84>
>
>
>
> ***
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:22 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
>
>
> I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary
> can discus wireless
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists  wrote:
>
> This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its
> pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc.  I simply asked about
> support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of  "wifi
> people".   This guy is a true professional.  Funny they think Mikrotik is
> "ghetto".  Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our
> MIBS.  I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc.
> But I think I can get by without his product from now on.  This is the
> luxury of having many independent monitoring systems.  It lacks any real
> alerting system or agents for servers anyway.  I literally started off with
> that sentence.  He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted
> to know if more was coming.
>
> [09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :)
> [09:34] * are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set
> of mibs for every product?*
> [09:35] * everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally
> retarded when it comes to writing mibs*
> [09:37] * yup, they are*
> [09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all
> the millions of units out there.
> [09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product
> [09:38]  jesus
> [09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's
> [09:38]  can you english?
> [09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them
> [09:39]  its your standard interface mibs.  Other than that
> really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product
> *[09:40]  fucking wifi people*
> [09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors
> [09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all
> sorts of stuff out.
> *[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support the
> stuff you want*
> *[09:40]  well fuck you all*
> [09:40]  *Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.*
> [09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the
> biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting
> those 2 fully
> [09:41]  meh
> *[09:41]  get them to send us hardware*
> *[09:41]  and maybe we'll give a shit*
> *[09:43]  I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure.  I could
> even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe
> some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you.  *
> *[09:43]  I'm pretty sure I offered a few times.  *
> [09:49]  to be honest though -  I don't think observium is
> really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers.  Maybe starting with just the
> wireless bridges first would be the best start.  That isn't so overwhelming
> [09:57]  you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how
> they really should build a pickup truck
> [09:57] * i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits
> about wireless*
> *[09:57]  Who do you think delivers internet to the massive
> areas between the major cities?*
> *[09:58]  i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not?*
> [09:58]  Yeah all of the Western hemisphere..
> [09:59]  lol
> [09:59]  XD
> *[10:01]  my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out
> long ago*
> [10:01]  Well if you want more excuses to negle

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Chuck McCown]

Well, the standard mib covers most stuff.  You add a little extra for your 
special features.  What exactly is wrong with that?  How else do you do it?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

>[09:35]  everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded 
>when it comes to writing mibs 

I wonder if he has a cell phone.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Daniel White  wrote:

  I wonder what the Tier 1 wireless carriers would think of that too.  But 
maybe that isn’t their market either.



  ***

  Daniel White - Managing Director

  SAF North America LLC

  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

  Skype: danieldwhite
  Social: LinkedIn



  ***



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:22 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS



  I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary can 
discus wireless



  On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists  wrote:

This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its 
pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc.  I simply asked about 
support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of  "wifi people".   
This guy is a true professional.  Funny they think Mikrotik is "ghetto".  Sure 
he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS.  I liked his 
product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc.  But I think I can get 
by without his product from now on.  This is the luxury of having many 
independent monitoring systems.  It lacks any real alerting system or agents 
for servers anyway.  I literally started off with that sentence.  He added some 
cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming.  

[09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :)
[09:34]  are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of 
mibs for every product?
[09:35]  everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally 
retarded when it comes to writing mibs
[09:37]  yup, they are
[09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the 
millions of units out there.
[09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product
[09:38]  jesus
[09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's
[09:38]  can you english?
[09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them
[09:39]  its your standard interface mibs.  Other than that 
really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product
[09:40]  fucking wifi people
[09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors
[09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all 
sorts of stuff out.  
[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support the stuff 
you want
[09:40]  well fuck you all
[09:40]  Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.
[09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the 
biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting 
those 2 fully
[09:41]  meh
[09:41]  get them to send us hardware
[09:41]  and maybe we'll give a shit
[09:43]  I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure.  I could 
even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe 
some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you.  
[09:43]  I'm pretty sure I offered a few times.  
[09:49]  to be honest though -  I don't think observium is really 
hugely needed for AP's and subcribers.  Maybe starting with just the wireless 
bridges first would be the best start.  That isn't so overwhelming
[09:57]  you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how 
they really should build a pickup truck
[09:57]  i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about 
wireless
[09:57]  Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas 
between the major cities?
[09:58]  i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not?
[09:58]  Yeah all of the Western hemisphere..
[09:59]  lol
[09:59]  XD
[10:01]  my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out 
long ago
[10:01]  Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high 
percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet..yeah take this 
one.  Its probably too hard and too much work for you.  Because the wireless 
industry is retarded.  
[10:01]  i know it is
[10:02]  Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for 
anything.  Ca

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Lists]

That's my point.  I took out a small section that said wireless at one point 
was part of the backbone of the internet.  I mean we fed an entire town over a 
mountain with internet.  

My main point is that there is a HUGE geography of equipment out there covering 
all the areas wires cannot.  He's shooting himself in the foot by not 
supporting it.  

- Original Message -
From: "Daniel White" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:23:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

I wonder what the Tier 1 wireless carriers would think of that too.  But maybe 
that isn’t their market either.

 

***

Daniel White - Managing Director

SAF North America LLC

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com <mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> 

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84> 

 

***

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

 

I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary can 
discus wireless

 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org> > wrote:

This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its 
pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc.  I simply asked about 
support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of  "wifi people".   
This guy is a true professional.  Funny they think Mikrotik is "ghetto".  Sure 
he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS.  I liked his 
product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc.  But I think I can get 
by without his product from now on.  This is the luxury of having many 
independent monitoring systems.  It lacks any real alerting system or agents 
for servers anyway.  I literally started off with that sentence.  He added some 
cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming.  

[09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :)
[09:34]  are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs 
for every product?
[09:35]  everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded 
when it comes to writing mibs
[09:37]  yup, they are
[09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the 
millions of units out there.
[09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product
[09:38]  jesus
[09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's
[09:38]  can you english?
[09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them
[09:39]  its your standard interface mibs.  Other than that really 
there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product
[09:40]  fucking wifi people
[09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors
[09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all 
sorts of stuff out.  
[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you 
want
[09:40]  well fuck you all
[09:40]  Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.
[09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the 
biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting 
those 2 fully
[09:41]  meh
[09:41]  get them to send us hardware
[09:41]  and maybe we'll give a shit
[09:43]  I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure.  I could even 
arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some 
equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you.  
[09:43]  I'm pretty sure I offered a few times.  
[09:49]  to be honest though -  I don't think observium is really 
hugely needed for AP's and subcribers.  Maybe starting with just the wireless 
bridges first would be the best start.  That isn't so overwhelming
[09:57]  you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they 
really should build a pickup truck
[09:57]  i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about 
wireless
[09:57]  Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas 
between the major cities?
[09:58]  i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not?
[09:58]  Yeah all of the Western hemisphere..
[09:59]  lol
[09:59]  XD
[10:01]  my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long 
ago
[10:01]  Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage 
of industry in the world that delivers internet..yeah take this one.  Its 
probably too hard and too much work for you.  Because the wireless industry is 
retarded.  
[10:01]  i know it is
[10:02]  Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for anything. 
 Cacti is old and busted.  Your product is new and refreshing.  That is why the 
ind

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Josh Luthman]

>[09:35]  everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally
retarded when it comes to writing mibs

I wonder if he has a cell phone.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Daniel White  wrote:

> I wonder what the Tier 1 wireless carriers would think of that too.  But
> maybe that isn’t their market either.
>
>
>
> ***
>
> Daniel White - Managing Director
>
> SAF North America LLC
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84>
>
>
>
> ***
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:22 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
>
>
> I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary
> can discus wireless
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists  wrote:
>
> This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its
> pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc.  I simply asked about
> support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of  "wifi
> people".   This guy is a true professional.  Funny they think Mikrotik is
> "ghetto".  Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our
> MIBS.  I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc.
> But I think I can get by without his product from now on.  This is the
> luxury of having many independent monitoring systems.  It lacks any real
> alerting system or agents for servers anyway.  I literally started off with
> that sentence.  He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted
> to know if more was coming.
>
> [09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :)
> [09:34] * are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set
> of mibs for every product?*
> [09:35] * everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally
> retarded when it comes to writing mibs*
> [09:37] * yup, they are*
> [09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all
> the millions of units out there.
> [09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product
> [09:38]  jesus
> [09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's
> [09:38]  can you english?
> [09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them
> [09:39]  its your standard interface mibs.  Other than that
> really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product
> *[09:40]  fucking wifi people*
> [09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors
> [09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all
> sorts of stuff out.
> *[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support the
> stuff you want*
> *[09:40]  well fuck you all*
> [09:40]  *Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.*
> [09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the
> biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting
> those 2 fully
> [09:41]  meh
> *[09:41]  get them to send us hardware*
> *[09:41]  and maybe we'll give a shit*
> *[09:43]  I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure.  I could
> even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe
> some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you.  *
> *[09:43]  I'm pretty sure I offered a few times.  *
> [09:49]  to be honest though -  I don't think observium is
> really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers.  Maybe starting with just the
> wireless bridges first would be the best start.  That isn't so overwhelming
> [09:57]  you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how
> they really should build a pickup truck
> [09:57] * i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits
> about wireless*
> *[09:57]  Who do you think delivers internet to the massive
> areas between the major cities?*
> *[09:58]  i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not?*
> [09:58]  Yeah all of the Western hemisphere..
> [09:59]  lol
> [09:59]  XD
> *[10:01]  my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out
> long ago*
> [10:01]  Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high
> percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet..yeah take
> this one.  Its probably too hard and too much work for you.  Because the
> wireless industry is retarded.
> [10:01]  i know it is
> [

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Daniel White]

I wonder what the Tier 1 wireless carriers would think of that too.  But maybe 
that isn’t their market either.

 

***

Daniel White - Managing Director

SAF North America LLC

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com <mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> 

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84> 

 

***

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

 

I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary can 
discus wireless

 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org> > wrote:

This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its 
pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc.  I simply asked about 
support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of  "wifi people".   
This guy is a true professional.  Funny they think Mikrotik is "ghetto".  Sure 
he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS.  I liked his 
product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc.  But I think I can get 
by without his product from now on.  This is the luxury of having many 
independent monitoring systems.  It lacks any real alerting system or agents 
for servers anyway.  I literally started off with that sentence.  He added some 
cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming.  

[09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :)
[09:34]  are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs 
for every product?
[09:35]  everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded 
when it comes to writing mibs
[09:37]  yup, they are
[09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the 
millions of units out there.
[09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product
[09:38]  jesus
[09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's
[09:38]  can you english?
[09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them
[09:39]  its your standard interface mibs.  Other than that really 
there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product
[09:40]  fucking wifi people
[09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors
[09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all 
sorts of stuff out.  
[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you 
want
[09:40]  well fuck you all
[09:40]  Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.
[09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the 
biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting 
those 2 fully
[09:41]  meh
[09:41]  get them to send us hardware
[09:41]  and maybe we'll give a shit
[09:43]  I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure.  I could even 
arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some 
equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you.  
[09:43]  I'm pretty sure I offered a few times.  
[09:49]  to be honest though -  I don't think observium is really 
hugely needed for AP's and subcribers.  Maybe starting with just the wireless 
bridges first would be the best start.  That isn't so overwhelming
[09:57]  you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they 
really should build a pickup truck
[09:57]  i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about 
wireless
[09:57]  Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas 
between the major cities?
[09:58]  i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not?
[09:58]  Yeah all of the Western hemisphere..
[09:59]  lol
[09:59]  XD
[10:01]  my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long 
ago
[10:01]  Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage 
of industry in the world that delivers internet..yeah take this one.  Its 
probably too hard and too much work for you.  Because the wireless industry is 
retarded.  
[10:01]  i know it is
[10:02]  Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for anything. 
 Cacti is old and busted.  Your product is new and refreshing.  That is why the 
industry is bugging you.
[10:04]  go and make some cacti graphs then
[10:04]  i'm really fucking sick of this shit
[10:04]  it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things
[10:04]  especially no nfucking wireless stuff
[10:04]  so just fuck off
[10:04]  it's not going to happen
[10:04]  and every one who asks makes it less likely to happen
[10:06]  But I'll bet if you asked for help you'd get it.  Look I was 
willing to set you up a network with all the devices you need
[10:06]  excuse me whilst i replace these 32*10G bu

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[That One Guy]

I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary
can discus wireless

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists  wrote:

> This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its
> pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc.  I simply asked about
> support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of  "wifi
> people".   This guy is a true professional.  Funny they think Mikrotik is
> "ghetto".  Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our
> MIBS.  I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc.
> But I think I can get by without his product from now on.  This is the
> luxury of having many independent monitoring systems.  It lacks any real
> alerting system or agents for servers anyway.  I literally started off with
> that sentence.  He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted
> to know if more was coming.
>
> [09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :)
> [09:34] * are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set
> of mibs for every product?*
> [09:35] * everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally
> retarded when it comes to writing mibs*
> [09:37] * yup, they are*
> [09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all
> the millions of units out there.
> [09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product
> [09:38]  jesus
> [09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's
> [09:38]  can you english?
> [09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them
> [09:39]  its your standard interface mibs.  Other than that
> really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product
> *[09:40]  fucking wifi people*
> [09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors
> [09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all
> sorts of stuff out.
> *[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support the
> stuff you want*
> *[09:40]  well fuck you all*
> [09:40]  *Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.*
> [09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the
> biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting
> those 2 fully
> [09:41]  meh
> *[09:41]  get them to send us hardware*
> *[09:41]  and maybe we'll give a shit*
> *[09:43]  I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure.  I could
> even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe
> some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you.  *
> *[09:43]  I'm pretty sure I offered a few times.  *
> [09:49]  to be honest though -  I don't think observium is
> really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers.  Maybe starting with just the
> wireless bridges first would be the best start.  That isn't so overwhelming
> [09:57]  you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how
> they really should build a pickup truck
> [09:57] * i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits
> about wireless*
> *[09:57]  Who do you think delivers internet to the massive
> areas between the major cities?*
> *[09:58]  i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not?*
> [09:58]  Yeah all of the Western hemisphere..
> [09:59]  lol
> [09:59]  XD
> *[10:01]  my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out
> long ago*
> [10:01]  Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high
> percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet..yeah take
> this one.  Its probably too hard and too much work for you.  Because the
> wireless industry is retarded.
> [10:01]  i know it is
> [10:02]  Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for
> anything.  Cacti is old and busted.  Your product is new and refreshing.
> That is why the industry is bugging you.
> [10:04]  go and make some cacti graphs then
> [10:04]  i'm really fucking sick of this shit
> [10:04]  it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things
> [10:04]  especially no nfucking wireless stuff
> [10:04]  so just fuck off
> [10:04]  it's not going to happen
> [10:04]  and every one who asks makes it less likely to happen
> [*10:06]  But I'll bet if you asked for help you'd get it.
> Look I was willing to set you up a network with all the devices you need*
> [10:06]  excuse me whilst i replace these 32*10G bundles with some
> wireless
> [10:06]  HURR
> [10:06]  no
> *[10:06]  i'd get a pile of useless shitty code*
> *[10:06]  that's the only thing we've ever gotten from the
> "community"*
> [10:09]  *adama: make Observium -3rd world edition, that only
> supports mikrotik and ghetto wireless hardware*
> [10:09]  hah
> [10:10]  Mainly because its (Mikrotik) like 10% of the price and
> does the same job and even better in many cases.
> [10:11]  no, they use it because it "just about works" and costs
> 10% of the price
> [10:11]  Dragonwave aint ghetto nor some of these other backhaul
> manufacturers.
> [10:12]  and your proof is from what experience?
> [10:12]  Sounds like a case of "they suck over there"  and "I
>

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Cameron Crum]

Wow!

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists  wrote:

> This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its
> pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc.  I simply asked about
> support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of  "wifi
> people".   This guy is a true professional.  Funny they think Mikrotik is
> "ghetto".  Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our
> MIBS.  I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc.
> But I think I can get by without his product from now on.  This is the
> luxury of having many independent monitoring systems.  It lacks any real
> alerting system or agents for servers anyway.  I literally started off with
> that sentence.  He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted
> to know if more was coming.
>
> [09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :)
> [09:34] * are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set
> of mibs for every product?*
> [09:35] * everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally
> retarded when it comes to writing mibs*
> [09:37] * yup, they are*
> [09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all
> the millions of units out there.
> [09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product
> [09:38]  jesus
> [09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's
> [09:38]  can you english?
> [09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them
> [09:39]  its your standard interface mibs.  Other than that
> really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product
> *[09:40]  fucking wifi people*
> [09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors
> [09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all
> sorts of stuff out.
> *[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support the
> stuff you want*
> *[09:40]  well fuck you all*
> [09:40]  *Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.*
> [09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the
> biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting
> those 2 fully
> [09:41]  meh
> *[09:41]  get them to send us hardware*
> *[09:41]  and maybe we'll give a shit*
> *[09:43]  I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure.  I could
> even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe
> some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you.  *
> *[09:43]  I'm pretty sure I offered a few times.  *
> [09:49]  to be honest though -  I don't think observium is
> really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers.  Maybe starting with just the
> wireless bridges first would be the best start.  That isn't so overwhelming
> [09:57]  you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how
> they really should build a pickup truck
> [09:57] * i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits
> about wireless*
> *[09:57]  Who do you think delivers internet to the massive
> areas between the major cities?*
> *[09:58]  i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not?*
> [09:58]  Yeah all of the Western hemisphere..
> [09:59]  lol
> [09:59]  XD
> *[10:01]  my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out
> long ago*
> [10:01]  Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high
> percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet..yeah take
> this one.  Its probably too hard and too much work for you.  Because the
> wireless industry is retarded.
> [10:01]  i know it is
> [10:02]  Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for
> anything.  Cacti is old and busted.  Your product is new and refreshing.
> That is why the industry is bugging you.
> [10:04]  go and make some cacti graphs then
> [10:04]  i'm really fucking sick of this shit
> [10:04]  it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things
> [10:04]  especially no nfucking wireless stuff
> [10:04]  so just fuck off
> [10:04]  it's not going to happen
> [10:04]  and every one who asks makes it less likely to happen
> [*10:06]  But I'll bet if you asked for help you'd get it.
> Look I was willing to set you up a network with all the devices you need*
> [10:06]  excuse me whilst i replace these 32*10G bundles with some
> wireless
> [10:06]  HURR
> [10:06]  no
> *[10:06]  i'd get a pile of useless shitty code*
> *[10:06]  that's the only thing we've ever gotten from the
> "community"*
> [10:09]  *adama: make Observium -3rd world edition, that only
> supports mikrotik and ghetto wireless hardware*
> [10:09]  hah
> [10:10]  Mainly because its (Mikrotik) like 10% of the price and
> does the same job and even better in many cases.
> [10:11]  no, they use it because it "just about works" and costs
> 10% of the price
> [10:11]  Dragonwave aint ghetto nor some of these other backhaul
> manufacturers.
> [10:12]  and your proof is from what experience?
> [10:12]  Sounds like a case of "they suck over there"  and "I
> know all about them, I've never worked in the industry or actually been a
> part of any 

[AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

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This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its 
pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about 
support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of "wifi people". 
This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is "ghetto". Sure he 
makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his 
product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by 
without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent 
monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers 
anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium 
support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. 

[09:34]  any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) 
[09:34]  are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs 
for every product? 
[09:35]  everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded 
when it comes to writing mibs 
[09:37]  yup, they are 
[09:38]  Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the 
millions of units out there. 
[09:38]  different set of mibs for every fuckign product 
[09:38]  jesus 
[09:38]  They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's 
[09:38]  can you english? 
[09:39]  The interface stuff is the same for all of them 
[09:39]  its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really 
there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product 
[09:40]  fucking wifi people 
[09:40]  you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors 
[09:40]  If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all 
sorts of stuff out. 
[09:40]  and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you 
want 
[09:40]  well fuck you all 
[09:40]  Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products. 
[09:41]  All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the 
biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting 
those 2 fully 
[09:41]  meh 
[09:41]  get them to send us hardware 
[09:41]  and maybe we'll give a shit 
[09:43]  I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even 
arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some 
equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. 
[09:43]  I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. 
[09:49]  to be honest though - I don't think observium is really 
hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless 
bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming 
[09:57]  you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they 
really should build a pickup truck 
[09:57]  i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about 
wireless 
[09:57]  Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas 
between the major cities? 
[09:58]  i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not? 
[09:58]  Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. 
[09:59]  lol 
[09:59]  XD 
[10:01]  my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long 
ago 
[10:01]  Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage 
of industry in the world that delivers internet.. yeah take this one. Its 
probably too hard and too much work for you. Because the wireless industry is 
retarded. 
[10:01]  i know it is 
[10:02]  Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for anything. 
Cacti is old and busted. Your product is new and refreshing. That is why the 
industry is bugging you. 
[10:04]  go and make some cacti graphs then 
[10:04]  i'm really fucking sick of this shit 
[10:04]  it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things 
[10:04]  especially no nfucking wireless stuff 
[10:04]  so just fuck off 
[10:04]  it's not going to happen 
[10:04]  and every one who asks makes it less likely to happen 
[ 10:06]  But I'll bet if you asked for help you'd get it. Look I was 
willing to set you up a network with all the devices you need 
[10:06]  excuse me whilst i replace these 32*10G bundles with some 
wireless 
[10:06]  HURR 
[10:06]  no 
[10:06]  i'd get a pile of useless shitty code 
[10:06]  that's the only thing we've ever gotten from the "community" 
[10:09]  adama: make Observium -3rd world edition, that only supports 
mikrotik and ghetto wireless hardware 
[10:09]  hah 
[10:10]  Mainly because its (Mikrotik) like 10% of the price and does 
the same job and even better in many cases. 
[10:11]  no, they use it because it "just about works" and costs 10% of 
the price 
[10:11]  Dragonwave aint ghetto nor some of these other backhaul 
manufacturers. 
[10:12]  and your proof is from what experience? 
[10:12]  Sounds like a case of "they suck over there" and "I know all 
about them, I've never worked in the industry or actually been a part of any of 
it but I know what I'm talking about". 
[10:13]  Those crazy brown people and their silly ways. They are 
inferior to us. 
[10:13]  man, this is exactly the kind of shit that made us go 
commercial in the first place