[AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Dossy
Are the weekly chats officially dead?  I know Nate is extraordinarily
busy right now (well, aren't we all) but we could still get on the chat
every week or every other week without him.

Of course, it helps to have something to talk about and something worth
talking about ... so why don't I throw some suggestions out there:

- Who has tried 4.0 beta?  Who is running 4.0 beta in a non-production
  environment?  Who is actually running it in production?

- What's your single biggest gripe about AOLserver?  If you could have
  one thing changed or fixed, what would it be?

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Re: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Daniel P. Stasinski
- What's your single biggest gripe about AOLserver?  If you
  could haveone thing changed or fixed, what would it be?

I discovered this in the last few days.  If I instant message
someone a URL pointing to an image, it never gets logged in the
access log.  Perhaps it's something to do with nsvhr/nsunix, I'm
not sure, but it is annoying.

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[AOLSERVER] IM'ed URLs not being logged (was Re: Are the weekly chats officially dead?)

2003-07-31 Thread Dossy
On 2003.07.31, Daniel P. Stasinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 - What's your single biggest gripe about AOLserver?  If you
   could haveone thing changed or fixed, what would it be?

 I discovered this in the last few days.  If I instant message
 someone a URL pointing to an image, it never gets logged in the
 access log.  Perhaps it's something to do with nsvhr/nsunix, I'm
 not sure, but it is annoying.

You mean when they click on the URL in the IM they receive and the
browser goes to fetch the image, the nsd/nslog never logs the HTTP
request?

Is this reproducible?  Always?  For any image, or specific images, or
image types?  Is it dependent on the recipient of the IM?

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Re: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Patrick Spence
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Subject: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?


 Are the weekly chats officially dead?  I know Nate is extraordinarily
 busy right now (well, aren't we all) but we could still get on the chat
 every week or every other week without him.

 Of course, it helps to have something to talk about and something worth
 talking about ... so why don't I throw some suggestions out there:

 - Who has tried 4.0 beta?  Who is running 4.0 beta in a non-production
   environment?  Who is actually running it in production?

 - What's your single biggest gripe about AOLserver?  If you could have
   one thing changed or fixed, what would it be?


There ya go, limiting it to ONE thing.. :)   but I am difficult, and never
listen anyways...

1: A better solution for virtual hosting
a: I don't have to run multiple instances of aolserver
b: the Pageroot variable is updated correctly so scripting
in languages like php can handle virtual hosting
c: logging to seperate files for each virtual server

2: full emulation of mod_rewrite and .htaccess files


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Roberto Mello
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 03:44:12PM -0400, Dossy wrote:
 Are the weekly chats officially dead?  I know Nate is extraordinarily
 busy right now (well, aren't we all) but we could still get on the chat
 every week or every other week without him.

Indeed!

 Of course, it helps to have something to talk about and something worth
 talking about ... so why don't I throw some suggestions out there:

 - Who has tried 4.0 beta?  Who is running 4.0 beta in a non-production
   environment?  Who is actually running it in production?

I've been running it in development and I am really pleased.

 - What's your single biggest gripe about AOLserver?  If you could have
   one thing changed or fixed, what would it be?

- Readline support for nscp.
- Examples of how to setup virtual servers.
- Good Debian packages with nice start/stop scripts (working on it)
- How to use libnsd to embed AOLserver in my own projects.
- An SQLite driver (hopefully I'll get that working soon).

-Roberto

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Re: [AOLSERVER] IM'ed URLs not being logged

2003-07-31 Thread Daniel P. Stasinski
  You mean when they click on the URL in the IM they receive
  and the browser goes to fetch the image, the nsd/nslog never
  logs the HTTP request?

Correct.

  Is this reproducible?  Always?  For any image, or specific
  images, or image types?  Is it dependent on the recipient of
  the IM?

I have pasted URL's in AIM and on irc, and also typed in the
specific url into the url box on IE 6 and Linux/Mozilla and in
each case it was not logged.  This is consistent behavior.  If I
hit refresh, it does log it.  Also, the browsers caches are clear
so I know it's not a caching problem.  This is true with both
jpegs and gifs.  I don't have any URL handling code/filters that
might be blocking it.  All of the images are the root page
directory.

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Re: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread John Billings
I am glad to hear someone is working on Debian packages, as I am getting
ready to install Aolserver on a Debian server.


On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:53:36PM -0600, Roberto Mello wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 03:44:12PM -0400, Dossy wrote:
  Are the weekly chats officially dead?  I know Nate is extraordinarily
  busy right now (well, aren't we all) but we could still get on the chat
  every week or every other week without him.

 Indeed!

  Of course, it helps to have something to talk about and something worth
  talking about ... so why don't I throw some suggestions out there:
 
  - Who has tried 4.0 beta?  Who is running 4.0 beta in a non-production
environment?  Who is actually running it in production?

 I've been running it in development and I am really pleased.

  - What's your single biggest gripe about AOLserver?  If you could have
one thing changed or fixed, what would it be?

 - Readline support for nscp.
 - Examples of how to setup virtual servers.
 - Good Debian packages with nice start/stop scripts (working on it)
 - How to use libnsd to embed AOLserver in my own projects.
 - An SQLite driver (hopefully I'll get that working soon).

 -Roberto

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[AOLSERVER] SQLite driver (was) Re: Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Wojciech Kocjan
Roberto Mello wrote:
- An SQLite driver (hopefully I'll get that working soon).
This one is actually tricky. In order to use SQLite in production
enviroment, you need to catch SQLITE_SCHEMA errors and reeval the query.
If you want to experiment, here's my beta driver -
http://www.zoro2.org/_chwilowe/nssqlite-beta.tar.gz
It seems to work stable on my laptop... Even has no problems when
another thread is doing CREATE TABLE/DROP TABLE - try doing the same
with your driver ;-)
It works faster than nsmysql, at least for me... The main problem is
date/time/datetime... Yuck.
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Re: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Rob Mayoff
+-- On Jul 31, Roberto Mello said:
| - Readline support for nscp.

You could just get a better client program. For example, connecting to
nscp from inside Emacs can give you editing and history support.

If you have a separate program that puts readline on top of a TCP
connection, you can use it for things besides nscp, like testing HTTP
and SMTP connections.


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Re: [AOLSERVER] IM'ed URLs not being logged

2003-07-31 Thread Rob Mayoff
+-- On Jul 31, Daniel P. Stasinski said:
| I have pasted URL's in AIM and on irc, and also typed in the
| specific url into the url box on IE 6 and Linux/Mozilla and in
| each case it was not logged.

Capture the entire HTTP request that isn't logged, using tcpdump -s
2000 -w tcpdump.out port 80 or similar. Give us a URL to download
tcpdump.out so we can examine it.


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread russm
On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 07:54  AM, Rob Mayoff wrote:

+-- On Jul 31, Roberto Mello said:
| - Readline support for nscp.
You could just get a better client program. For example, connecting to
nscp from inside Emacs can give you editing and history support.
If you have a separate program that puts readline on top of a TCP
connection, you can use it for things besides nscp, like testing HTTP
and SMTP connections.
for this I'd suggest socat (http://www.dest-unreach.org/socat/)... it
rocks... example uses here -
http://www.dest-unreach.org/socat/doc/socat.html#EXAMPLES

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Re: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Dossy
On 2003.07.31, Roberto Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  - What's your single biggest gripe about AOLserver?  If you could have
one thing changed or fixed, what would it be?

 - Readline support for nscp.

Lately, I've been thinking of switching to tclsh as my login shell (yes,
I'm a nut) and I've heard from other folks that they'd like readline
support in nscp ... so, I wonder ... what might it take for something
like package require readline to work.  So, if you really want
readline support in nscp, you'd just connect, then issue package
require readline and off you go.

Okay, so maybe that idea is half-baked.  But, if people don't mind
linking nscp against libreadline, I'd be happy to work on putting
readline support into nscp since I know almost everybody wants it.

 - Examples of how to setup virtual servers.

Have you looked at the following URL:

http://panoptic.com/wiki/aolserver/VirtualHosting

Criticisms?  Shortcomings?  Confusing parts?

(I'd love to gradually evolve the content on that page into something
that satisfies most people's desire for virtual server/virtual hosting
documentation but I can't do it without the necessary feedback from the
audience ...)

 - Good Debian packages with nice start/stop scripts (working on it)

This isn't too hard.  Has the aolserver packages officially been
orphaned yet, or is Brian (or was it Bryan) still maintainer?

 - How to use libnsd to embed AOLserver in my own projects.

Is this more complicated than embedding Tcl and then Tcl_Eval(load
libnsd.so) ... ?  Or am I misunderstanding what you're asking for,
here?

 - An SQLite driver (hopefully I'll get that working soon).

Isn't Zoran working on this?

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Re: [AOLSERVER] SQLite driver (was) Re: Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Dossy
On 2003.07.31, Wojciech Kocjan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It works faster than nsmysql, at least for me... The main problem is
 date/time/datetime... Yuck.

Not to get all defensive, but are you saying the nssqlite driver is
faster than the nsmysql driver, or that SQLite is faster than MySQL for
what you're doing?

If the driver itself is faster, I'm curious how you did it.  If SQLite
is faster than MySQL for the operations you're interested in, well,
that's not too surprising ...

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Re: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Brett Schwarz
 Lately, I've been thinking of switching to tclsh as
 my login shell (yes,
 I'm a nut) and I've heard from other folks that
 they'd like readline
 support in nscp ... so, I wonder ... what might it
 take for something
 like package require readline to work.  So, if you
 really want
 readline support in nscp, you'd just connect, then
 issue package
 require readline and off you go.

 Okay, so maybe that idea is half-baked.  But, if
 people don't mind
 linking nscp against libreadline, I'd be happy to
 work on putting
 readline support into nscp since I know almost
 everybody wants it.


There is already a tclreadline binding.
http://tclreadline.sourceforge.net

I think there was another lib similar to readline, but
not GPL that someone was going to work on as well, but
I forget who it was

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Re: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Dossy
On 2003.07.31, Patrick Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From: Dossy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  - What's your single biggest gripe about AOLserver?  If you could have
one thing changed or fixed, what would it be?

 There ya go, limiting it to ONE thing.. :)   but I am difficult, and never
 listen anyways...

 1: A better solution for virtual hosting
 a: I don't have to run multiple instances of aolserver
 b: the Pageroot variable is updated correctly so scripting
 in languages like php can handle virtual hosting
 c: logging to seperate files for each virtual server

Have you tried virtual servers in AOLserver 4.0 yet?

 2: full emulation of mod_rewrite and .htaccess files

I know this isn't what you want to hear, but ... if you want Apache,
then run Apache.  :-)

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Re: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Dossy
On 2003.07.31, Brett Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There is already a tclreadline binding.
 http://tclreadline.sourceforge.net

It'd be great except TclReadlineCmd calls Tcl_CreateFileHandler(0, ...)
for stdin.  If you could pass it the input and output fd's, that'd be
perfect ...

Maybe I'll submit a patch ... or, (read below)

 I think there was another lib similar to readline, but
 not GPL that someone was going to work on as well, but
 I forget who it was

Yeah, I don't think we really need full readline/ncurses in nscp.  I
think just line editing capabilities (cursor forward, backwards, start
of line, end of line) would be a big win at this point.

Considering how standard VT100 is these days, we could just support
that and pretend like all other terminal types don't really exist ...
;-)

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Re: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Peter M. Jansson
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Dossy wrote:

  2: full emulation of mod_rewrite and .htaccess files

 I know this isn't what you want to hear, but ... if you want Apache,
 then run Apache.  :-)

I'm in strong agreement.  There's a lot in .htaccess that's fundamental
Apache architecture (AddHandler in a .htaccess file, for example -- that
just won't work with AOLserver as it stands, and the changes would go a
long way toward turning it into Apache).  Now, if all you really want is
perms stuff, that's more manageable, but still requires a new perms module
in AOLserver.  mod_rewrite I imagine could be done, but could probably be
done as easily in a filter.


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Patrick Spence
Dossy said:

 1: A better solution for virtual hosting
 a: I don't have to run multiple instances of aolserver
 b: the Pageroot variable is updated correctly so scripting
 in languages like php can handle virtual hosting
 c: logging to seperate files for each virtual server

 Have you tried virtual servers in AOLserver 4.0 yet?

Not yet, I haven't had the time to set up another machine to play with
yet.. ;)

 2: full emulation of mod_rewrite and .htaccess files

 I know this isn't what you want to hear, but ... if you want Apache,
 then run Apache.  :-)

Guess what I am running?  :)  Apache.. I stopped running AOLserver on my
personal machine a few months back... for those two requirements..  it
makes it easier for me..  though I will play with AS4 sometime soon to see
if it can do the virtual server stuff as well for me..  ;)

It was using Apache that gave me exposure to the htaccess and
mod_rewrite.. and they are very nice tools..

But I would rather have Aolserver for the speed and inbuit tcl.. :)


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Patrick Spence
Peter M. Jansson said:
 On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Dossy wrote:

  2: full emulation of mod_rewrite and .htaccess files

 I know this isn't what you want to hear, but ... if you want Apache,
 then run Apache.  :-)

 I'm in strong agreement.  There's a lot in .htaccess that's fundamental
 Apache architecture (AddHandler in a .htaccess file, for example -- that
 just won't work with AOLserver as it stands, and the changes would go a
 long way toward turning it into Apache).  Now, if all you really want is
 perms stuff, that's more manageable, but still requires a new perms module
 in AOLserver.  mod_rewrite I imagine could be done, but could probably be
 done as easily in a filter.

Using filters is easy enough, I did it when I ran AS.. but I am running
some third party stuff that is made more capable/powerful with mod_rewrite
and .htaccess... and some other software that requires .htaccess so it
makes it easier to work with...  in other words its not the functionality
that is already there in other ways, but the compatibility that I need.


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Peter M. Jansson
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Patrick Spence wrote:

 Using filters is easy enough, I did it when I ran AS.. but I am running
 some third party stuff that is made more capable/powerful with mod_rewrite
 and .htaccess... and some other software that requires .htaccess so it
 makes it easier to work with...  in other words its not the functionality
 that is already there in other ways, but the compatibility that I need.

Fair enough.  I think it's possible to write a mod_rewrite emulation
layer, but I'm very skeptical about .htaccess, unless it's a limited
subset.  What .htaccess directives are used?  As I wrote earlier,
completely supporting every possible .htaccess directive would require a
lot of work and would fundamentally change the way AOLserver works.


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Nathan Folkman

In a message dated 7/31/03 8:28:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Yeah, I don't think we really need full readline/ncurses in nscp.  I
think just line editing capabilities (cursor forward, backwards, start
of line, end of line) would be a big win at this point.

Considering how "standard" VT100 is these days, we could just support
that and pretend like all other terminal types don't really exist ...
;-)

-- Dossy

suggest you approach this as a new nscp++ module that could include all of these great ideas and more. goal going forward for aolserver core code is to keep as tight and simple as possible. no reason someone couldn't write a new nscp module that others could load in instead of the standard aolserver nscp.


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Nathan Folkman

In a message dated 7/31/03 8:30:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I'm in strong agreement.  There's a lot in .htaccess that's fundamental
Apache architecture (AddHandler in a .htaccess file, for example -- that
just won't work with AOLserver as it stands, and the changes would go a
long way toward turning it into Apache).  Now, if all you really want is
perms stuff, that's more manageable, but still requires a new perms module
in AOLserver.  mod_rewrite I imagine could be done, but could probably be
done as easily in a filter.


perhaps its time to look at what it would take to provide a simple apache compatibility layer that would allow apache modules to be used (unmodified) within aolserver. i've not had time to fully investigate, so this could be the wrong approach, and maybe wouldn't even be possible or feasible.

in other news... stay tuned for updates from us on:

- new additions to my team
- status of aolserver 4.0 gm
- status of aolserver docs
- aolserver/tomcat integration roadmap
- aolserver and nss/nspr
- open sourcing of art blaster code
- aolserver 4.x roadmap

sorry i haven't been around in the last month. lots of good things happening! expect to see more of me now that we are almost finished with aol 9.0 optimized.

- nathan


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Re: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Patrick Spence
Peter M. Jansson said:
 On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Patrick Spence wrote:

 Using filters is easy enough, I did it when I ran AS.. but I am running
 some third party stuff that is made more capable/powerful with
 mod_rewrite
 and .htaccess... and some other software that requires .htaccess so it
 makes it easier to work with...  in other words its not the
 functionality
 that is already there in other ways, but the compatibility that I need.

 Fair enough.  I think it's possible to write a mod_rewrite emulation
 layer, but I'm very skeptical about .htaccess, unless it's a limited
 subset.  What .htaccess directives are used?  As I wrote earlier,
 completely supporting every possible .htaccess directive would require a
 lot of work and would fundamentally change the way AOLserver works.

the main one I am concerned with is a script for subscriptions that
handles via .htaccess entries.. the next most used set is the rewrite
stuff done by Gallery (gallery.menalto.com) which is primarily just
rewrite commands to make friendly URLs out of url encoded ones..


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Re: [AOLSERVER] SQLite driver (was) Re: Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Wojciech Kocjan
Dossy wrote:
On 2003.07.31, Wojciech Kocjan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It works faster than nsmysql, at least for me... The main problem is
date/time/datetime... Yuck.


Not to get all defensive, but are you saying the nssqlite driver is
faster than the nsmysql driver, or that SQLite is faster than MySQL for
what you're doing?
No no no. I'm saying that SQLite is faster than mySQL. However, I did
speed the driver up by some percentage (before that, SQLite+nssqlite it
was comparable to mySQL+nsmysql :-).
If the driver itself is faster, I'm curious how you did it.  If SQLite
is faster than MySQL for the operations you're interested in, well,
that's not too surprising ...
I'd have to do some heavy load testing to get some better idea whether
it makes sense to use SQLite... Has anyone done it?
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Re: [AOLSERVER] Are the weekly chats officially dead?

2003-07-31 Thread Wojciech Kocjan
Roberto Mello wrote:
- Readline support for nscp.
That would be quite hard, since readline also has to guess the terminal
type and so on.
Wouldn't it be much better to write nscp client in Tcl+readline or even
Tk. I have a pretty generic ztelnet module, which I use to connect.
It's pretty old and nasty, but proved that writing a quite simple
socket/ssl connecting tool is pretty easy. Then adding command history
... and things would start working pretty well.
Tk could also allow editing multiline commands - using [info complete].
I often do nested foreach loops so checking completeness helps me a lot.
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