[AsburyPark] Re: Whose Property is it??

2005-10-21 Thread Amy Quinn
Werner,
I have been reading your posts now for months.  I can't help but get
offended when you imply, and not subtly, everyone is an idiot but you.
I have read your posts and heard you speak and while I think you are
brilliant on many issues emotional growth, I imagine, is not one of
them.  You can explain the issue in simplistic terms with out implying
people are stupid for not understanding it.
I was at the council meeting and while you had the last 4 years to
attend every meeting and committee that took place in Asbury regarding
the redevelopment many of us were working full time and were unable to
attend.  I want to mention that Property Law is a complex issue.  I
took many classes in it at law school and it continues to befuddle me.
And it is not only me.  Property Law questions asked on the bar exam
in all the states are the lowest scored questions.   There are six
subject asked for the bar; torts, constitutional law, property,
criminal law, contracts, evidence.  Property law questions are always
the questions that most people get wrong.
Encroachments, adverse possession, easements, easements by
prescription, eminent domain each one of these issues are complex and
then adding city ordinance to them manages to make them a little more
confusing.  So while you seem to have a grasp on it all please stop
implying people's inability to fully understand what is going on are
ignorant.

Amy Quinn
Santander


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[AsburyPark] Re: Whose Property is it??

2005-10-21 Thread Skip Bernstein
I was at the council meeting and while you had the last 4 years to
attend every meeting and committee that took place in Asbury regarding
the redevelopment many of us were working full time and were unable to
attend.  I want to mention that Property Law is a complex issue.  I
took many classes in it at law school and it continues to befuddle me.
Amy Quinn,
Welcome to this group.  We formerly had a sight impaired Bishop,
purporting to be a lawyer, whose opinions on most topics were heavily
laden with dogma but rarely proffered legal opinion.  

Your tone in critiquing Werner is simultaneously direct yet helpful,
something few of us have mastered; your legal background is sorely needed.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Amy Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Werner,
 I have been reading your posts now for months.  I can't help but get
 offended when you imply, and not subtly, everyone is an idiot but you.
 I have read your posts and heard you speak and while I think you are
 brilliant on many issues emotional growth, I imagine, is not one of
 them.  You can explain the issue in simplistic terms with out implying
 people are stupid for not understanding it.
 I was at the council meeting and while you had the last 4 years to
 attend every meeting and committee that took place in Asbury regarding
 the redevelopment many of us were working full time and were unable to
 attend.  I want to mention that Property Law is a complex issue.  I
 took many classes in it at law school and it continues to befuddle me.
 And it is not only me.  Property Law questions asked on the bar exam
 in all the states are the lowest scored questions.   There are six
 subject asked for the bar; torts, constitutional law, property,
 criminal law, contracts, evidence.  Property law questions are always
 the questions that most people get wrong.
 Encroachments, adverse possession, easements, easements by
 prescription, eminent domain each one of these issues are complex and
 then adding city ordinance to them manages to make them a little more
 confusing.  So while you seem to have a grasp on it all please stop
 implying people's inability to fully understand what is going on are
 ignorant.
 
 Amy Quinn
 Santander







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[AsburyPark] Re: Whose Property is it??

2005-10-21 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I was at the council meeting and while you had the last 4 years to
 attend every meeting and committee that took place in Asbury 
regarding
 the redevelopment many of us were working full time and were 
unable to
 attend.  I want to mention that Property Law is a complex issue.  I
 took many classes in it at law school and it continues to befuddle 
me.
 Amy Quinn,
 Welcome to this group.  We formerly had a sight impaired Bishop,
 purporting to be a lawyer, whose opinions on most topics were 
heavily
 laden with dogma but rarely proffered legal opinion.  
 
 Your tone in critiquing Werner is simultaneously direct yet 
helpful,
 something few of us have mastered; your legal background is sorely 
needed.
 
I have to defend Werner on this. His insight and dedication have 
been invaluable. Like all of us, he may not see other points of view 
at all times, but I certainly don't think he has tried to make 
anyone feel like an idiot. Passion should not be misinterpretated as 
conceit. This forum and AP is better for having Werner.







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[AsburyPark] JOEY D.......OUT OF CONTROL AGAIN.......NOW HE HATES CHAFFEURS.......

2005-10-21 Thread mognj
OBVIOUSLY ANTI-UNION..ANTI-TEAMSTERSTHOUGH HE DOES LIKE MEN IN 
BLACKWOW!...ME THINKS JOEY IS DESPERATE..THE BOY NEEDS 
ACTION...Rumour does have it Joey acquitted himself well at last 
council meetingreamed Bruno a new one(figuratively...not literally)
about his comment Keady could never get 3 votes on any issue.I am 
proud of Joey...there may be hope yet!





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[AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT

2005-10-21 Thread mognj
of Asbury Park..Did you know that more Blacks and gays are voting 
REPUBLICAN than ever before...that's correct.because the leftees 
have left the poor to rottt for decades...all they want are votes.I 
urge all minorities to vote Republican in the next election.And 
AARON HAS GOT TO GO..I WANT MR. DAN AND THE 'PINK' BISHOP...TOMMY 
D. ON THAT IMMEDIATELY..AT LEAST THEY HAVE BRAINS.BRING IN JOEY 
D. FOR FURTHER SUPPORT.HE MAY FINALLY BE SOBERING UP...





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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT

2005-10-21 Thread Abdualtalac





Vote republican and get some more in like bush.HELL 
NO

  




  
  
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[AsburyPark] C-8 Demolition Question, today's paper

2005-10-21 Thread gtscarano212







This article gives averysimple version of what happened at that 
meeting.

Dan Sciannameo did a great job explaining why the June 5, 2002 Plan should 
be followed.
At the meeting Councilmen Johnson, Keady,and Lofferdo seem to be very 
concern.
Does anybody even care if C-8 is rebuilt or should the new buildings on 
that blockconforms with the June 5, 2002 Plan.


ERROR: Found in unapproved, revised waterfront plans 



CITY OFFICIAL: Mistake won't derail redevelopment
Asbury: Developer sent wrong plans to DEP
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 
10/21/05BY NANCY SHIELDSCOASTAL 
MONMOUTH BUREAU 
ASBURY PARK — The city is 
correcting a mistake made by the waterfront developer's planner that allowed the 
wrong version of the 2002 waterfront plan to be sent to the state for the 
Department of Environmental Protection's approval.City Manager Terence 
Reidy said an analysis of the plan approved June 5, 2002, by the City Council 
and a different version that had been disseminated to the public and the state 
showed that differences between the two plans did not affect the state's 
analysis before they issued the Coastal Area Facility Review Act permit in March 
2004.Officials say that Asbury Partners' planner, Clark Caton Hintz, 
came in with a different version at the last minute when the council approved 
the plan on June 5, 2002. But the city's redevelopment attorney, James Aaron, 
did not allow the council to act on it because the plan with the changes had not 
been through the Planning Board.The planner made the mistake by later 
releasing the wrong version for the city and public's use and also attached that 
version to the CAFRA application."You're not going to get away with 
this," said Daniel F. Sciannameo, a New York City appraiser who owns a home in 
the city, when he spoke at a City Council meeting Wednesday night. "I'm the one 
who blew the whistle on you and asked the DEP to shut you down. You're working 
with an illegal CAFRA permit.""Mr. Sciannameo, I know you are the one 
who called. . . . You uncovered it," Reidy told Sciannameo later in the 
meeting.The city met with the DEP on Wednesday and is to send a letter 
to make a modification that could take about two months to complete, Reidy said. 
Construction on waterfront projects already under way can continue in the 
meantime, although any new construction will have to wait.The mistake 
came to light after one of the beachfront builders, Metro Homes of Hoboken, 
learned it could not use the abandoned 1989 condominium steel skeleton between 
Third and Fourth avenues known as C-8 on planning maps because the pilings could 
not be certified as safe.The waterfront plan the city says it approved 
would allow Metro Homes to build its planned 224-unit Esperanza to the same 
16-story height of C-8. The plan that Hintz distributed and sent to the DEP said 
that if C-8 came down, the height of its replacement was limited to eight 
stories.The city did not have its own in-house planner at the time the 
mistake was made, and Reidy, who also was not yet hired as city manager, 
believes the city's current planner, Donald Sammett, is a safeguard against such 
mistakes in the future.A group of critics, who often say the city has 
given away too much of the waterfront to the developers, jumped on the mistake. 
Councilman Jim Keady said he wants an investigation by an outside 
agency.Larry Fishman, Asbury Partners' chief operating officer, said 
Thursday the plan that was approved "is the only draft that matters — that draft 
and the ordinance that adopted it are the control documents that Asbury Partners 
has always used for redevelopment."Fishman said that Clarke 
"inadvertently submitted the wrong plan" for the CAFRA permit but said the 
differences are "relatively minor and all indications are there should be no 
delay whatsoever."Deputy Mayor James Bruno said he believes Clarke 
thought there was a council consensus that C-8 should come down if not built 
out, but there was not a consensus."It concerns me that there are people 
in this city that do not want redevelopment, do not want progress in Asbury 
Park. It bewilders me why people would want to hold up development," Fishman 
said. "We're human. There was an error. We're taking steps to correct that 
error."




  
  
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[AsburyPark] Check out Capitol Hill Blue: Just Plain Dumb and Stupid

2005-10-21 Thread Abdualtalac





Click 
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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT

2005-10-21 Thread Beartraprr


At least Bush stays focused on his job rather than a previous president. Democrats are upset because someone in that office is actually getting things accomplished..

I am not necessarly a republican but I sure would have a hard time voting in a democrat at this point anyway, they don't have a clue.




  
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: C-8 Demolition Question, today's paper

2005-10-21 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 
 This article gives a very simple version of what happened at that  
meeting.
  
 Dan Sciannameo did a great job explaining why the June 5, 2002 
Plan should  
 be followed. 
 At the meeting Councilmen Johnson, Keady, and Lofferdo seem to be 
very  
 concern.
 Does anybody even care if C-8 is rebuilt or should the new 
buildings on  that 
 block conforms with the June 5, 2002 Plan.  


Gerry, for the record, I hope the Esperanza gets built. That is not 
what is at issue here. What is is legality and possible fraud. I did 
not start this. I can't make believe that I did not see the corpse 
in the closet. I did and I must say it. If, as I now suspect, that 
it was NJDEP that required the additional language about demolishing 
C-8, that explains why the Developer put it in the June plan. That 
also conforms to the Cty's story that it did not request the 
language. What it does not explain however, is whether the wrong 
plan was given to NJDEP intentionally, and if not, why, when Aaron 
told the Developer that the June plan could not be adopted, the 
Developer did not inform NJDEP. It also doesn;t answer why when the 
City knew it was the wrong plan that it did not contact NJDEP. 
That's why I claim credit for it the other night, not to be 
boastful, but not to let it appear as if the city approached NJDEP 
on its own. That was how it was being conveyed and was not how it 
happened. Finally, if NJDEP did require that language, they should 
not let the CAFRA permit stand without having that language, which 
the adopted plan does not according to the city. To have it in 
there, the plan has to go back to the Planning Board. They all 
brought this on themselves. I am not persecuting them or trying to 
stop development regardless of what Nancy Shields puts n her 
editorials. She was given the scoop on this before and could have 
broke the story but didn't. It is what it is. No spin.  







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Re: [AsburyPark] Chant Food Pantry

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


Ms. Denson,
I know people who are familiar with you and the services you give to the community. I, for one, know that. When Asbury Park Candidates for Office were having the forums at Mt. Carmel Catholic and Asbury Park Middle Schools, I saw you videotaping these events and we spoke. I also saw RadioAsbury.com, 88.1, also there. What I'll do is print this email and give it to the President of my Auxiliary. My Post and Auxiliary, give 50 Thanksgiving baskets each year and my daughter and I give two, 1 each to a family at the Little People At Work, Pre-School. I will ask the Auxiliary, to either bring food in, or give cash ,so that food can be replenished, at the The Chant Food Pantry and any posters out there, can contact you to help also. What you could do, is make a flyer and get it out to the local businesses here, or contact them and ask if they'd be willing to place a box, at their front door, asking for contributions.
Sad huh, what a catastrophe brings on other communities. Didn't know that Asbury Park, Neptune and low-income people, were affected here. I humbly apologize for anything I said, adverse to the wonderful job you do in this area. I know also, that Red Bank, had a program called Lunch Break and St. Augustine's Episcopal Church, on Prosepect Ave. Has their Feeding Program for the homeless and Trinity Church, in Asbury Park,also has a food program, too. Have they been affected by Katrina/Rita? Now, Florida is preparing for Wilma! What's next? Does any other churches in this area have similar programs? If so, can I get a list of them? Email me off group and I'll see what I can do.
SharonSharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--kyangazidenson[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Sharon, I completely understand your frustrations with this group, but perhaps you can view us like i do, i am sooo busy these days with being care giver to my senior mom and handicap brother that I welcome any news of what's going on in the lives of others, sort of like, if you're with 2 year olds 24/7 that any adult conversations are a blessing, lol.

lighten up dear heart and go with the flow, we all mean well, i think, lol, or better yet, when i lived in nyc, i'd rather say, some of us fly further than fire island, and/or,its a small world after all, never know who knows who when you're doing whatever you do, where ever you do what you do. and its not what you know, but what you know about whom that counts most.

as for my little charity, please help by volunteerring your time, and or donations, people (children, seniors, etc)are sufferring and Mercy Center, like Chant ran out of food before the month's end too. why do you think they have fund raisers. spread the word, how ever you can, even on a yahoo group, email list etc., CHANT's motto is, "hunger does not take a vacation." and i hope you read the article in the app and coaster, this is no joke, good nutrition is good for life.

Kean maybe the cause ofmany people being without a pay checkto spend in asbury park when he closed Tom Smith's office in Asbury, that's why there is a CHANTfood pantry, Tom Smith helped to build it. Smith even helped me get my show on cable in 1992 when he presented the cable company with the FCC rules and regulations to train his residents to be Producers of their own show. He also got memy notary stamp too. 

to badSmith was a Lincoln republican, but at least they named a building after him, even if he was the first and only black assemblyman in the history of monmouth county. yet he made his mark to helppromote many blacks, likejudges, policeman, broadcasters, etc., 

but when it came to politics,Smith couldn't do anything to help Mr Fashion get his job because "the 11th district wasn't designed to be a life long position for black candidates" according to Bill Dow on the day Kean was selected. I put it on my show and you know what happened toBill Dowand his job, he was challenged and lost to a kean supporter. and there goes the Smith office to Wall, the beginning.

I got to document all eventsand Idonating my skillsbecause ofknowing Tom Smith. I hope I do him proud, perhaps if I become the Oprah of NJ, money wise, he'd rise from the grave smiling saying, did I do That? Yes, Mr Smith, there is a money tree in asbury park for me too, a democratic humanitarian black cherokee asbury park woman. talk about a wammie of tokens all wrapped up into one, lol

nice chatting with you

Shangazi"Sharon G. Boone" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You missed my point entirely! I am NOT against this Charity AT ALL! There are a lot of people in this group involved in one charity or another! So you're older than me! I knew that! You know me but not by name or I have a forgettable face! One of the terms of this group is non-solicitation, which means, no spamming or petitoning for anything! This group is about everything, Asbury Park! Go to the group site and read! Better still, send a press release to the Coaster, or heaven forbid, the Press. Ma'm the Mom's you cite here are in dire 

Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT

2005-10-21 Thread Lighty
Title: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT





On 10/21/05 1:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At least Bush stays focused on his job rather than a previous president. Democrats are upset because someone in that office is actually getting things accomplished..


Other than a myriad of scandals, what has this administration gotten accomplished?

If you want to see just how badly the job theyve done is, just read the Senate hearings on the Hurricane Katrina situation and response. It is amazing how poorly they reacted. The media did not blow it out of proportion; when you see what the official reports are you realize the media DOWNPLAYED the lack of response. 

Personally, I cant decide which is more interesting... The leak on The West Wing or the one playing out in real life. 


  




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT

2005-10-21 Thread Beartraprr


That makes sense, blame a natural disaster on a Republican.BUT if I caused this group to go off topic, I am sorry.

I used to live in Asbury and moved to FLorida 10 years ago because I could not take it anymore. I joined this group because I heard Asbury was coming back and was happy for it..WOW

What a mess the town is still in, somehow though I am not surprised.Good luck, ya'all need it




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] C-8 Demolition Question, today's paper

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


To the Fish:
No, it shows a vigilant, alert, smart, if nothing else, citizenry, that is watching to see if all the I's are dotted and the T's crossed! So should one of our citizens being called out for being on point? Just goes to show that if we aren't vigilant, we get the redevelopment, we deserve. I certainly know NOTHING, shy of a minus sign about what exactly, Asbury Park wanted. I can't fault Terry, for a plan, Weldon had in place, when he was hired. Can't say if he asked whether the Plan needed going over, or if Aaron, the attorney, consulted with him on exactly what the deal was. Giving Mr. Reidy a bye, on that one, however, isn't that what we HAVE Aaron for, or is it another attorney's responsibility to bring the new City Manager up to stuff on where the City was at the point Mr. Reidy was brought in. Remember, Wilbert Russell, died, while on the job, so it was incumbent upon SOMEBODY, to bring the new hire IN on exactly what the deal was, knowing Asbury residents. There are some really smart, savvy, residents here who SHOULD be on the Committee but are unfortunately, NOT! Who may I ask is responsible? The Redevelopment Attorney, who is PAID to act on OUR behalf? The City Clerk? The Council, Tax Assessor, WHO? I am not an OWL, but WHO, dammit! Everyone mentioned is a hired HACK, except the Council, who is elected by the people. So YOU elected this council, now, DEAL with them! You GET who you elect! I can't understand why everyone is bent out of shape with the council. Not being fecetious, either! These are the people you elected! The elections are over, not everyone I voted for, got in, but I'm willing to work with what we have, as long as what they do, is legal! Plain and simple! What you think of them personally, does not add up to a hill of beans! As long as I'm treated respectfully, as a resident, a voter and a citizen, of the United States, I don't give a rat's you know what! Please, can't we all just get along? SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:



This article gives averysimple version of what happened at that meeting.

Dan Sciannameo did a great job explaining why the June 5, 2002 Plan should be followed.
At the meeting Councilmen Johnson, Keady,and Lofferdo seem to be very concern.
Does anybody even care if C-8 is rebuilt or should the new buildings on that blockconforms with the June 5, 2002 Plan.


ERROR: Found in unapproved, revised waterfront plans 


CITY OFFICIAL: Mistake won't derail redevelopment
Asbury: Developer sent wrong plans to DEP
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 10/21/05BY NANCY SHIELDSCOASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU 
ASBURY PARK — The city is correcting a mistake made by the waterfront developer's planner that allowed the wrong version of the 2002 waterfront plan to be sent to the state for the Department of Environmental Protection's approval.City Manager Terence Reidy said an analysis of the plan approved June 5, 2002, by the City Council and a different version that had been disseminated to the public and the state showed that differences between the two plans did not affect the state's analysis before they issued the Coastal Area Facility Review Act permit in March 2004.Officials say that Asbury Partners' planner, Clark Caton Hintz, came in with a different version at the last minute when the council approved the plan on June 5, 2002. But the city's redevelopment attorney, James Aaron, did not allow the council to act on it because the plan with the changes had not been through the Planning Board.The planner made the mistake by later releasing the wrong version for the city and public's use and also attached that version to the CAFRA application."You're not going to get away with this," said Daniel F. Sciannameo, a New York City appraiser who owns a home in the city, when he spoke at a City Council meeting Wednesday night. "I'm the one who blew the whistle on you and asked the DEP to shut you down. You're working with an illegal CAFRA permit.""Mr. Sciannameo, I know you are the one who called. . . . You uncovered it," Reidy told Sciannameo later in the meeting.The city met with the DEP on Wednesday and is to send a letter to make a modification that could take about two months to complete, Reidy said. Construction on waterfront projects already under way can continue in the meantime, although any new construction will have to wait.The mistake came to light after one of the beachfront builders, Metro Homes of Hoboken, learned it could not use the abandoned 1989 condominium steel skeleton between Third and Fourth avenues known as C-8 on planning maps because the pilings could not be certified as safe.The waterfront plan the city says it approved would allow Metro Homes to build its planned 224-unit Esperanza to the same 16-story height of C-8. The plan that Hintz distributed and sent to the DEP said that if C-8 came down, the height of its replacement was limited to eight stories.The city did not have its own in-house planner at the time the mistake 

Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


Dear Bear:
This is an Asbury Park Group. We are Democrat, Republican and Other. Who is paying you to dish the dirt, you think you have, on the Democrats? Remember, "Nobody died, when Clinton lied"! Under Clinton, the Country had a LARGE Surplus, that your boy, Dubya, SQUANDERED! Bush gives tax breaks, ONLY, to the Rich and NOT the poor, who he lies to, daily. There were NO WMD's! No Reason to Invade another country, torture its' citizens, rob it of its' antiquities and TAKE it's GOLD BULLION! Who has that? CHENEY? We are near 2000 Deaths, thousands of casualties, lost limbs and ENDLESS War! There are NO Kids of these DESK-HAWKS, Flag Lapel Pin Wearers, Over There! THEY, including, AWOL BUSh, EX-ALCOHOLIC, DRUG ABUSER, TEMPER-TANTRUM Having, Spoiled Frat-Boy, President, NEVER SERVED! His House of Cards, is about to fall after Outing a known CIA-Undercover Agent. It's a Federal Offense, YOU! Ditto, on Tom Delay and Bill Frist, those bastions of honesty! So why are YOU here?
SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:At least Bush stays focused on his job rather than a previous president. Democrats are upset because someone in that office is actually getting things accomplished..I am not necessarly a republican but I sure would have a hard time voting in a democrat at this point anyway, they don't have a clue. 

  




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT

2005-10-21 Thread Lighty
Title: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT





On 10/21/05 2:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That makes sense, blame a natural disaster on a Republican.BUT if I caused this group to go off topic, I am sorry.

 
Nobodys blaming the natural disaster on the Republicans. Im blaming them for the 16-17 hours that apparently went by before they did anything. Read the Senate transcripts and then tell me if the president is a leader. 


  




  
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: Whose Property is it??

2005-10-21 Thread asburycheech
Dan wrote:
 I have to defend Werner on this. His insight and dedication have 
 been invaluable. Like all of us, he may not see other points of 
view 
 at all times, but I certainly don't think he has tried to make 
 anyone feel like an idiot. Passion should not be misinterpretated 
as 
 conceit. This forum and AP is better for having Werner.


Hi Dan,
I agree totally with you on this.  Werner is so passionate about 
this city and wants so much to see it restored to its former glory 
that he may sometimes come off in a manner that may seem abrasvive, 
especially if you do not know him.   I think as Amy gets to know him, 
she will, hopefully, regard him as a positive force in this city.
  Frank D'Alessandro






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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT

2005-10-21 Thread Abdualtalac





staying focussed, being a murderer? i guess u get what u pay 
for.

  




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT

2005-10-21 Thread docp101



hell yeah...Bush has done a great job despite the effort ofliberal scum; while you're at it vote forrester and not the scum corzine-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:08:35 EDTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT



Vote republican and get some more in like bush.HELL NO


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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


NEW JERSEY hasn't lost a thing!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:That makes sense, blame a natural disaster on a Republican.BUT if I caused this group to go off topic, I am sorry.I used to live in Asbury and moved to FLorida 10 years ago because I could not take it anymore. I joined this group because I heard Asbury was coming back and was happy for it..WOWWhat a mess the town is still in, somehow though I am not surprised.Good luck, ya'all need it 

  




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT

2005-10-21 Thread Abdualtalac





well two things for sure. the republicans are wolves  democrats are 
foxes. The wolves devour you and let you know they don't like you, whereas the 
foxes are sneaky, don't let you know they don't like you but sneak in and attack 
you. In all my years i have not seen a real true honest politician. They make a 
lot of promises, but when they get in, all hell breaks loose. Asbury park as 
being one of them.

  




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT

2005-10-21 Thread docp101



hey flighty,

There is plenty of blame to share in Katrina and not just at the federal level; first and foremost is the lcoal level;New Orleans has traditionally been one of the mostcorrupt cities in the nation; theywere to be the first responders and they did not have a clue as to what to do; next the state of LA alsof***ed it up and certainly the feds screwed things up as wellenough blame to go around

it would be naive and simplistic on your part flighty to blame it all on Bush; typical liberal boob-Original Message-From: Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:01:52 -0400Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT


On 10/21/05 1:47 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At least Bush stays focused on his job rather than a previous president. Democrats are upset because someone in that office is actually getting things accomplished..Other than a myriad of scandals, what has this administration gotten accomplished?If you want to see just how badly the job they?ve done is, just read the Senate hearings on the Hurricane Katrina situation and response. It is amazing how poorly they reacted. The media did not blow it out of proportion; when you see what the official reports are you realize the media DOWNPLAYED the lack of response. Personally, I can?t decide which is more interesting... The leak on The West Wing or the one playing out in real life. 


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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Abdualtalac





Tell it like it is y




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT

2005-10-21 Thread docp101



abdul or whatever your name is...murderer get a clue and get your head out of your buttdespites liberals best efforts republicans are not to blame for all of the worlds ills; I guess you believe Saddam is not a murderer

thank god I did not invest in APyou people are really screwed up-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:53:10 EDTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT



staying focussed, being a murderer? i guess u get what u pay for.


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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT

2005-10-21 Thread Abdualtalac





i wouldn't vote for either one of those tricks

  




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


No, YOU vote for Forrester, he'll NEED your vote and his! That equals 2!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


hell yeah...Bush has done a great job despite the effort ofliberal scum; while you're at it vote forrester and not the scum corzine-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:08:35 EDTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT



Vote republican and get some more in like bush.HELL NO


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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread docp101



Dear Sharon,

I would like you to go on record RIGHT NOW and post that Saddam Hussein was a fine human being...Go ahead say ityou imbecile...Tell this board that Saddam was an angel...may you burn in hell!-Original Message-From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:41:49 GMTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT



Dear Bear:
This is an Asbury Park Group. We are Democrat, Republican and Other. Who is paying you to dish the dirt, you think you have, on the Democrats? Remember, "Nobody died, when Clinton lied"! Under Clinton, the Country had a LARGE Surplus, that your boy, Dubya, SQUANDERED! Bush gives tax breaks, ONLY, to the Rich and NOT the poor, who he lies to, daily. There were NO WMD's! No Reason to Invade another country, torture its' citizens, rob it of its' antiquities and TAKE it's GOLD BULLION! Who has that? CHENEY? We are near 2000 Deaths, thousands of casualties, lost limbs and ENDLESS War! There are NO Kids of these DESK-HAWKS, Flag Lapel Pin Wearers, Over There! THEY, including, AWOL BUSh, EX-ALCOHOLIC, DRUG ABUSER, TEMPER-TANTRUM Having, Spoiled Frat-Boy, President, NEVER SERVED! His House of Cards, is about to fall after Outing a known CIA-Undercover Agent. It's a Federal Offense, YOU! Ditto, on Tom Delay and Bill Frist, those bastions of honesty! So why are YOU here?
SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:At least Bush stays focused on his job rather than a previous president. Democrats are upset because someone in that office is actually getting things accomplished..I am not necessarly a republican but I sure would have a hard time voting in a democrat at this point anyway, they don't have a clue. 


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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


3 Votes, for Forrester! YEA!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


hey flighty,

There is plenty of blame to share in Katrina and not just at the federal level; first and foremost is the lcoal level;New Orleans has traditionally been one of the mostcorrupt cities in the nation; theywere to be the first responders and they did not have a clue as to what to do; next the state of LA alsof***ed it up and certainly the feds screwed things up as wellenough blame to go around

it would be naive and simplistic on your part flighty to blame it all on Bush; typical liberal boob-Original Message-From: Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:01:52 -0400Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT


On 10/21/05 1:47 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At least Bush stays focused on his job rather than a previous president. Democrats are upset because someone in that office is actually getting things accomplished..Other than a myriad of scandals, what has this administration gotten accomplished?If you want to see just how badly the job they?ve done is, just read the Senate hearings on the Hurricane Katrina situation and response. It is amazing how poorly they reacted. The media did not blow it out of proportion; when you see what the official reports are you realize the media DOWNPLAYED the lack of response. Personally, I can?t decide which is more interesting... The leak on The West Wing or the one playing out in real life. 


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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread docp101



Sharon, Vince Foster died when Clinton lied...AP will die as well-Original Message-From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:41:49 GMTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT



Dear Bear:
This is an Asbury Park Group. We are Democrat, Republican and Other. Who is paying you to dish the dirt, you think you have, on the Democrats? Remember, "Nobody died, when Clinton lied"! Under Clinton, the Country had a LARGE Surplus, that your boy, Dubya, SQUANDERED! Bush gives tax breaks, ONLY, to the Rich and NOT the poor, who he lies to, daily. There were NO WMD's! No Reason to Invade another country, torture its' citizens, rob it of its' antiquities and TAKE it's GOLD BULLION! Who has that? CHENEY? We are near 2000 Deaths, thousands of casualties, lost limbs and ENDLESS War! There are NO Kids of these DESK-HAWKS, Flag Lapel Pin Wearers, Over There! THEY, including, AWOL BUSh, EX-ALCOHOLIC, DRUG ABUSER, TEMPER-TANTRUM Having, Spoiled Frat-Boy, President, NEVER SERVED! His House of Cards, is about to fall after Outing a known CIA-Undercover Agent. It's a Federal Offense, YOU! Ditto, on Tom Delay and Bill Frist, those bastions of honesty! So why are YOU here?
SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:At least Bush stays focused on his job rather than a previous president. Democrats are upset because someone in that office is actually getting things accomplished..I am not necessarly a republican but I sure would have a hard time voting in a democrat at this point anyway, they don't have a clue. 


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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread docp101



Sharon,

Since the blacks so mindlessly follow the dems, perhaps we'll feed em grape soda and fried chicken to stay home; usually the dems feed em hot dogs and grape soda to come out andvote-Original Message-From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:00:02 GMTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT


No, YOU vote for Forrester, he'll NEED your vote and his! That equals 2!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


hell yeah...Bush has done a great job despite the effort ofliberal scum; while you're at it vote forrester and not the scum corzine-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:08:35 EDTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT



Vote republican and get some more in like bush.HELL NO


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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT

2005-10-21 Thread Lighty
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it would be naive and simplistic on your part flighty to blame it all on Bush; typical liberal boob 


I love how conservatives have to resort to name calling all of the time. First off, I never said it was entirely their fault, but they deserve much blame too. I didnt realize just how long it took for them to respond until these hearings. Dont like the truth, fine. Live in your own world. But the majority of people who voted for Bush did so because he thought he was the better person to keep the country safe and that simply hasnt happened. What we saw with Katrina could have been the response we would have seen from a domestic terrorist attack. Were you pleased with the results? I wasnt. Sure New Orleans deserves blame, but the COUNTRY FAILED THEM.

And hiring your friends for a Supreme Court position has even made the conservatives realize just what kind of person they elected. Sorry if the truth hurts.







  
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Skip Bernstein
Go ahead say it you imbecile...Tell this board that Saddam was an
angel...may you burn in hell!

Is there a doctor in the house?  If ever a member of this forum needed
help this has got to be the time.  Makes me long for the day when a
purported lawyer merely wanted to race Monster Trucks on the boardwalk.  

Where in hell did we get this character?




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear Sharon,
  
 I would like you to go on record RIGHT NOW and post that Saddam
Hussein was a fine human being...Go ahead say it you imbecile...Tell
this board that Saddam was an angel...may you burn in hell! 
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:41:49 GMT
 Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM
FOR THE PLIG HT
 
 
 Dear Bear:
 This is an Asbury Park Group. We are Democrat, Republican and Other.
Who is paying you to dish the dirt, you think you have, on the
Democrats? Remember, Nobody died, when Clinton lied! Under Clinton,
the Country had a LARGE Surplus, that your boy, Dubya, SQUANDERED!
Bush gives tax breaks, ONLY, to the Rich and NOT the poor, who he lies
to, daily. There were NO WMD's!  No Reason to Invade another country,
torture its' citizens, rob it of its' antiquities and TAKE it's GOLD
BULLION! Who has that? CHENEY? We are near 2000 Deaths, thousands of
casualties, lost limbs and ENDLESS War! There are NO Kids of these
DESK-HAWKS, Flag Lapel Pin Wearers, Over There! THEY, including, AWOL
BUSh, EX-ALCOHOLIC, DRUG ABUSER, TEMPER-TANTRUM Having, Spoiled
Frat-Boy, President, NEVER SERVED! His House of Cards, is about to
fall after Outing a known CIA-Undercover Agent. It's a Federal
Offense, YOU! Ditto, on Tom Delay and Bill Frist, those bastions of
honesty! So why are YOU here?
 
 
 
 Sharon Boone
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At least Bush stays focused on his job rather than a previous
president.  Democrats are upset because someone in that office is
actually getting things accomplished..
 
 I am not necessarly a republican but I sure would have a hard time
voting in a democrat at this point anyway, they don't have a clue. 
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread docp101



skippy

I suppose you think Saddam is an angel as well. Surprising given the amount of Republican support to Israel against the threat of Arab domination in the region.-Original Message-From: Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:16:12 -Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT


"Go ahead say it you imbecile...Tell this board that Saddam was an
angel...may you burn in hell!"

Is there a doctor in the house?  If ever a member of this forum needed
help this has got to be the time.  Makes me long for the day when a
purported lawyer merely wanted to race Monster Trucks on the boardwalk.  

Where in hell did we get this character?




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear Sharon,
  
 I would like you to go on record RIGHT NOW and post that Saddam
Hussein was a fine human being...Go ahead say it you imbecile...Tell
this board that Saddam was an angel...may you burn in hell! 
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:41:49 GMT
 Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM
FOR THE PLIG HT
 
 
 Dear Bear:
 This is an Asbury Park Group. We are Democrat, Republican and Other.
Who is paying you to dish the dirt, you think you have, on the
Democrats? Remember, "Nobody died, when Clinton lied"! Under Clinton,
the Country had a LARGE Surplus, that your boy, Dubya, SQUANDERED!
Bush gives tax breaks, ONLY, to the Rich and NOT the poor, who he lies
to, daily. There were NO WMD's!  No Reason to Invade another country,
torture its' citizens, rob it of its' antiquities and TAKE it's GOLD
BULLION! Who has that? CHENEY? We are near 2000 Deaths, thousands of
casualties, lost limbs and ENDLESS War! There are NO Kids of these
DESK-HAWKS, Flag Lapel Pin Wearers, Over There! THEY, including, AWOL
BUSh, EX-ALCOHOLIC, DRUG ABUSER, TEMPER-TANTRUM Having, Spoiled
Frat-Boy, President, NEVER SERVED! His House of Cards, is about to
fall after Outing a known CIA-Undercover Agent. It's a Federal
Offense, YOU! Ditto, on Tom Delay and Bill Frist, those bastions of
honesty! So why are YOU here?
 
 
 
 Sharon Boone
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At least Bush stays focused on his job rather than a previous
president.  Democrats are upset because someone in that office is
actually getting things accomplished..
 
 I am not necessarly a republican but I sure would have a hard time
voting in a democrat at this point anyway, they don't have a clue. 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] DEP

2005-10-21 Thread dfsavgny
I suggest everyone interested contact NJDEP to find out how they are 
dealing with the fact that the wrong redevelopment plan was used for 
the City's CAFRA permit. If you are not concerned and want to maintain 
the status quo of back door dealing, so be it. However, it is useful to 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Skip Bernstein





Dr. P,
I think it likely you're the only 
angel we're likely to encounter. 
Do tell us how Israel plays into 
your paranoia about Arab domination.
While you're at it, why not give 
us the full list of those you hate.
Skip Bernstein[EMAIL PROTECTED]- 
Original Message - 

  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 5:15 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I HATE 
  DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT
  
  
  
  skippy
  
  I suppose you think Saddam is an angel as well. Surprising given 
  the amount of Republican support to Israel against the threat of Arab 
  domination in the region.-Original 
  Message-From: Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
  AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: 
  Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:16:12 -Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I HATE DEMOCRATS 
  AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT
  

  "Go ahead say it you imbecile...Tell this board that Saddam was an
angel...may you burn in hell!"

Is there a doctor in the house?  If ever a member of this forum needed
help this has got to be the time.  Makes me long for the day when a
purported lawyer merely wanted to race Monster Trucks on the boardwalk.  

Where in hell did we get this character?




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear Sharon,
  
 I would like you to go on record RIGHT NOW and post that Saddam
Hussein was a fine human being...Go ahead say it you imbecile...Tell
this board that Saddam was an angel...may you burn in hell! 
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:41:49 GMT
 Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM
FOR THE PLIG HT
 
 
 Dear Bear:
 This is an Asbury Park Group. We are Democrat, Republican and Other.
Who is paying you to dish the dirt, you think you have, on the
Democrats? Remember, "Nobody died, when Clinton lied"! Under Clinton,
the Country had a LARGE Surplus, that your boy, Dubya, SQUANDERED!
Bush gives tax breaks, ONLY, to the Rich and NOT the poor, who he lies
to, daily. There were NO WMD's!  No Reason to Invade another country,
torture its' citizens, rob it of its' antiquities and TAKE it's GOLD
BULLION! Who has that? CHENEY? We are near 2000 Deaths, thousands of
casualties, lost limbs and ENDLESS War! There are NO Kids of these
DESK-HAWKS, Flag Lapel Pin Wearers, Over There! THEY, including, AWOL
BUSh, EX-ALCOHOLIC, DRUG ABUSER, TEMPER-TANTRUM Having, Spoiled
Frat-Boy, President, NEVER SERVED! His House of Cards, is about to
fall after Outing a known CIA-Undercover Agent. It's a Federal
Offense, YOU! Ditto, on Tom Delay and Bill Frist, those bastions of
honesty! So why are YOU here?
 
 
 
 Sharon Boone
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At least Bush stays focused on his job rather than a previous
president.  Democrats are upset because someone in that office is
actually getting things accomplished..
 
 I am not necessarly a republican but I sure would have a hard time
voting in a democrat at this point anyway, they don't have a clue. 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: DEP

2005-10-21 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I suggest everyone interested contact NJDEP to find out how they
 are dealing with the fact that the wrong redevelopment plan was
 used for the City's CAFRA permit. If you are not concerned and want
 to maintain the status quo of back door dealing, so be it. However,
 it is useful to have more than one voice in the room yelling.

Dan, I feel you are falling for the bait and switch and I'm really 
surprized. It is not a FACT that the wrong plan was submitted. The 
preponderence of the evidence is that the correct plan WAS submitted. 

Affirming and repeating what the City claims,(wrong plan)only serves 
to further whitewash this whole affair. At issue is that the city 
wants to now substitute a less restrictive plan for the one that is 
for all intents and purposes the adopted plan and is more restrictive.

The battle cry should be Why is the City attempting to substitute a 
plan that is more favorable to the developer by claiming now that 
a 'mistake' was made? 

If the C-8 were not declared 'un-finishable' this issue would never 
have come up and the current plan (now declared a mistake) would have 
went forward without question into the forseeable future.

And rightfully so, since it is the plan accepted/adopted/submitted, 
etc, up to now. The only event that took place is the revelation 
(according to the plan,now claimed to be the wrong one) that C-8 
would need to be redesigned to conform to the bulk standards of 3/4/8 
floors.

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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


Dear Bear:
You're a fine human being! Sad-DAM, BADD! We agree on one thing. Saddam is a Bad Man! No matter! YOU STARTED THIS! May You BURN, ALSO! ou come in here uninvited and start a political diatribe of no consequence, or of interest to Me, at least! If you think we're in bad shape here, stay your behind in Florida and I hope
WIL-MAAA BLOWS you out to sea! Go hang out in a Repug, neo-con group!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


Dear Sharon,

I would like you to go on record RIGHT NOW and post that Saddam Hussein was a fine human being...Go ahead say ityou imbecile...Tell this board that Saddam was an angel...may you burn in hell!-Original Message-From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:41:49 GMTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT



Dear Bear:
This is an Asbury Park Group. We are Democrat, Republican and Other. Who is paying you to dish the dirt, you think you have, on the Democrats? Remember, "Nobody died, when Clinton lied"! Under Clinton, the Country had a LARGE Surplus, that your boy, Dubya, SQUANDERED! Bush gives tax breaks, ONLY, to the Rich and NOT the poor, who he lies to, daily. There were NO WMD's! No Reason to Invade another country, torture its' citizens, rob it of its' antiquities and TAKE it's GOLD BULLION! Who has that? CHENEY? We are near 2000 Deaths, thousands of casualties, lost limbs and ENDLESS War! There are NO Kids of these DESK-HAWKS, Flag Lapel Pin Wearers, Over There! THEY, including, AWOL BUSh, EX-ALCOHOLIC, DRUG ABUSER, TEMPER-TANTRUM Having, Spoiled Frat-Boy, President, NEVER SERVED! His House of Cards, is about to fall after Outing a known CIA-Undercover Agent. It's a Federal Offense, YOU! Ditto, on Tom Delay and Bill Frist, those bastions of honesty! So why are YOU here?
SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:At least Bush stays focused on his job rather than a previous president. Democrats are upset because someone in that office is actually getting things accomplished..I am not necessarly a republican but I sure would have a hard time voting in a democrat at this point anyway, they don't have a clue. 


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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


Skip:
He needs LITHIUM!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


skippy

I suppose you think Saddam is an angel as well. Surprising given the amount of Republican support to Israel against the threat of Arab domination in the region.-Original Message-From: Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:16:12 -Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT


"Go ahead say it you imbecile...Tell this board that Saddam was an
angel...may you burn in hell!"

Is there a doctor in the house?  If ever a member of this forum needed
help this has got to be the time.  Makes me long for the day when a
purported lawyer merely wanted to race Monster Trucks on the boardwalk.  

Where in hell did we get this character?




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear Sharon,
  
 I would like you to go on record RIGHT NOW and post that Saddam
Hussein was a fine human being...Go ahead say it you imbecile...Tell
this board that Saddam was an angel...may you burn in hell! 
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:41:49 GMT
 Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM
FOR THE PLIG HT
 
 
 Dear Bear:
 This is an Asbury Park Group. We are Democrat, Republican and Other.
Who is paying you to dish the dirt, you think you have, on the
Democrats? Remember, "Nobody died, when Clinton lied"! Under Clinton,
the Country had a LARGE Surplus, that your boy, Dubya, SQUANDERED!
Bush gives tax breaks, ONLY, to the Rich and NOT the poor, who he lies
to, daily. There were NO WMD's!  No Reason to Invade another country,
torture its' citizens, rob it of its' antiquities and TAKE it's GOLD
BULLION! Who has that? CHENEY? We are near 2000 Deaths, thousands of
casualties, lost limbs and ENDLESS War! There are NO Kids of these
DESK-HAWKS, Flag Lapel Pin Wearers, Over There! THEY, including, AWOL
BUSh, EX-ALCOHOLIC, DRUG ABUSER, TEMPER-TANTRUM Having, Spoiled
Frat-Boy, President, NEVER SERVED! His House of Cards, is about to
fall after Outing a known CIA-Undercover Agent. It's a Federal
Offense, YOU! Ditto, on Tom Delay and Bill Frist, those bastions of
honesty! So why are YOU here?
 
 
 
 Sharon Boone
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At least Bush stays focused on his job rather than a previous
president.  Democrats are upset because someone in that office is
actually getting things accomplished..
 
 I am not necessarly a republican but I sure would have a hard time
voting in a democrat at this point anyway, they don't have a clue. 
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


No thanks, I'll take a Coke with that Chicken, okay? 3 For Forrester!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


Sharon,

Since the blacks so mindlessly follow the dems, perhaps we'll feed em grape soda and fried chicken to stay home; usually the dems feed em hot dogs and grape soda to come out andvote-Original Message-From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:00:02 GMTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT


No, YOU vote for Forrester, he'll NEED your vote and his! That equals 2!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


hell yeah...Bush has done a great job despite the effort ofliberal scum; while you're at it vote forrester and not the scum corzine-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:08:35 EDTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT



Vote republican and get some more in like bush.HELL NO


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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Whose Property is it??

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


Amy,
Beautifully said. I am only versed in Business and Tort Law. Would have to borrow a Property Law book from one of my Attorney friends who deal in that type of thing. I only know Contracts and things of that nature, but you have put this subject so simply, even I can understand it. I don't purport to know everything and I'm learning from people like you. Thanks!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--AmyQuinn[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:Werner,Ihavebeenreadingyourpostsnowformonths.Ican'thelpbutgetoffendedwhenyouimply,andnotsubtly,everyoneisanidiotbutyou.IhavereadyourpostsandheardyouspeakandwhileIthinkyouarebrilliantonmanyissuesemotionalgrowth,Iimagine,isnotoneofthem.Youcanexplaintheissueinsimplistictermswithoutimplyingpeoplearestupidfornotunderstandingit.Iwasatthecouncilmeetingandwhileyouhadthelast4yearstoattendeverymeetingandcommitteethattookplaceinAsburyregardingtheredevelopmentmanyofuswereworkingfulltimeandwereunabletoattend.IwanttomentionthatPropertyLawisacomplexissue.Itookmanyclassesinitatlawschoolanditcontinuestobefuddleme.Anditisnotonlyme.PropertyLawquestionsaskedonthebarexaminallthestatesarethelowestscoredquestions.Therearesixsubjectaskedforthebar;torts,constitutionallaw,property,criminallaw,contracts,evidence.Propertylawquestionsarealwaysthequestionsthatmostpeoplegetwrong.Encroachments,adversepossession,easements,easementsbyprescription,eminentdomaineachoneoftheseissuesarecomplexandthenaddingcityordinancetothemmanagestomakethemalittlemoreconfusing.Sowhileyouseemtohaveagrasponitallpleasestopimplyingpeople'sinabilitytofullyunderstandwhatisgoingonareignorant.AmyQuinnSantanderYahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

  




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


Is your name Bush? Because HE don't read the papers, either! C-Span? CNN? FOX, even? They've ALL carried the story of who REALLY is at fault! Just today, a revelation came about about your boy, "BROWNIE"! Seems BROWNIE needed extra time to finish his dinner! That was before he was HUMBLED/er,FIRED/er,RESIGNED! Yeah, that's the ticket! Brownie, the Brown-Noser, crony/friend/buddy-boy, GONE!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:The LOCAL goverment failed, they never notified the feds thats what caused part of the delay. 




  
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: C-8 Demolition Question, today's paper

2005-10-21 Thread wernerapnj
Dan I urge you to rethink your position of accepting the City's story 
that the wrong plan was submitted

As I wrote earlier, There is no evidence to that effect, to the 
contrary the preponderence of the evidence is that the correct plan was 
submitted and that this is a flim-flam being perpetrated on the public 
to benefit the developer.

Werner

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 ...That is not 
 what is at issue here. What is is legality and possible fraud

 What it does not explain however, is whether the wrong 
 plan was given to NJDEP intentionally, and if not, why, when Aaron 
 told the Developer that the June plan could not be adopted, the 
 Developer did not inform NJDEP. It also doesn;t answer why when the 
 City knew it was the wrong plan that it did not contact NJDEP. 






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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread docp101



Oh Sharon you imbecile...you truly are blindif you feel there is no culpability in the corrupt New Orleans local govt and the State of La. There is enough blame to go around; thegovernor Blanco shoudl have asked for troops much sooner; there should have been a shoot to kill orders and a curfew declared gthe night before the storm hit; law and order was quickly restored when the cavalry came in

you display the typical victim syndrome as in it's everyone else's fault; the democratic party has done you a great disservice!-Original Message-From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:55:50 GMTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT


Is your name Bush? Because HE don't read the papers, either! C-Span? CNN? FOX, even? They've ALL carried the story of who REALLY is at fault! Just today, a revelation came about about your boy, "BROWNIE"! Seems BROWNIE needed extra time to finish his dinner! That was before he was HUMBLED/er,FIRED/er,RESIGNED! Yeah, that's the ticket! Brownie, the Brown-Noser, crony/friend/buddy-boy, GONE!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:The LOCAL goverment failed, they never notified the feds thats what caused part of the delay. 
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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread docp101



Sharon, are you a member of the Nation of Islam?-Original Message-From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:55:50 GMTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT


Is your name Bush? Because HE don't read the papers, either! C-Span? CNN? FOX, even? They've ALL carried the story of who REALLY is at fault! Just today, a revelation came about about your boy, "BROWNIE"! Seems BROWNIE needed extra time to finish his dinner! That was before he was HUMBLED/er,FIRED/er,RESIGNED! Yeah, that's the ticket! Brownie, the Brown-Noser, crony/friend/buddy-boy, GONE!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:The LOCAL goverment failed, they never notified the feds thats what caused part of the delay. 
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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread docp101



It's going to be closer than youthink Sharon. Forrester has pulled to within 5. I do think Corzine will win however because he will buy the blackvote-Original Message-From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:40:00 GMTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT


No thanks, I'll take a Coke with that Chicken, okay? 3 For Forrester!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


Sharon,

Since the blacks so mindlessly follow the dems, perhaps we'll feed em grape soda and fried chicken to stay home; usually the dems feed em hot dogs and grape soda to come out andvote-Original Message-From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:00:02 GMTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT


No, YOU vote for Forrester, he'll NEED your vote and his! That equals 2!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


hell yeah...Bush has done a great job despite the effort ofliberal scum; while you're at it vote forrester and not the scum corzine-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:08:35 EDTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT



Vote republican and get some more in like bush.HELL NO


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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Whose property is it?

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


Thank you for clarifying that and now, I know what you mean, but does Werner? Just kidding!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--"dfsavgny"[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,"SharonG.Boone"[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:outofAsburyParkandaskaNeptuneRealtoraboutit.Thereisadisclaimer,thatifyoudon'tcitetheencroachment,after10yearstheland,evenifit'sasliver,becomesyours!That'sthecaveat!SowhereisthecodeenforcerorwhoeverisinchargeSharon,youaretalkingaboutAdversePossession,averycomplexlegalissue.Itisnotsoeasyasthatandcourtsrarely,ifever,awardadversepossession.Thereisacriteriatoaccomplishit,whichisdifficult,ifnotimpossible,tomeet.Iwillleaveplanning,etc.toWerner,butheiswrongonthelawandpropertyrights.Wearetalkingaboutpropertyrights,andweareusingtheshorthandofPROPERTY.Wellunderthatdefinition,yeswhateverrights-of-way(ROW)theCitymayhaveoverprivatepropertythoserightscanbeconsideredPUBLICPROPERTY.However,whatIamsayingisthateveryrightinPROPERTY,whenitislessthanfeesimple,isspecificallydelineatedinacontractoragreement.Assumedly,Bradelyorthefounders,whensellingthetractsseitherRESERVEDsomerightsforthepublicinoroverPRIVATEPROPERTYortheCitylateracquiredthoserights.Whateverthecasemaybe,thoserights,nowreferredhereinasPUBLICPROPERTY(morespecifically,publicrightsinprivateproperty)areclearlydelineatedandlimitedinsomedocument(s)oragreement(s).Youhavetoknowwhatthoserights,ortheirlimitationsare.Youjustcan;tsayitispublicpropertyandprivatepropertyownerscannotdoanythingwiththeirownproperty.IfthepublicabridgesorincreasesitsRIGHT(orproperty)inoroverprivateproperty,thenitisatakingandtheConstitutionrequiresjustcompensation.AsIsaidbefore,thePUBLICcanregulatePRIVATEpropertythroughzoning,policepowers,etc.,which,iftheyarenotconsideredconfiscatory,arenottakingsanddonotrequirecompensation.Ifyouwanttoregulatefences,passalawforgodssakes,butdon'ttellmeIdon;towntheproperty.IIdidn't,Iwouldn'tbepayingtaxesonit.Wernerisaswrongaswrongcanbe.Yahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

  




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


Do me a favor, GET A LIFE, already!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


Oh Sharon you imbecile...you truly are blindif you feel there is no culpability in the corrupt New Orleans local govt and the State of La. There is enough blame to go around; thegovernor Blanco shoudl have asked for troops much sooner; there should have been a shoot to kill orders and a curfew declared gthe night before the storm hit; law and order was quickly restored when the cavalry came in

you display the typical victim syndrome as in it's everyone else's fault; the democratic party has done you a great disservice!-Original Message-From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:55:50 GMTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT


Is your name Bush? Because HE don't read the papers, either! C-Span? CNN? FOX, even? They've ALL carried the story of who REALLY is at fault! Just today, a revelation came about about your boy, "BROWNIE"! Seems BROWNIE needed extra time to finish his dinner! That was before he was HUMBLED/er,FIRED/er,RESIGNED! Yeah, that's the ticket! Brownie, the Brown-Noser, crony/friend/buddy-boy, GONE!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:The LOCAL goverment failed, they never notified the feds thats what caused part of the delay. 
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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


Roman Catholic, Stupid!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


Sharon, are you a member of the Nation of Islam?-Original Message-From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:55:50 GMTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT


Is your name Bush? Because HE don't read the papers, either! C-Span? CNN? FOX, even? They've ALL carried the story of who REALLY is at fault! Just today, a revelation came about about your boy, "BROWNIE"! Seems BROWNIE needed extra time to finish his dinner! That was before he was HUMBLED/er,FIRED/er,RESIGNED! Yeah, that's the ticket! Brownie, the Brown-Noser, crony/friend/buddy-boy, GONE!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:The LOCAL goverment failed, they never notified the feds thats what caused part of the delay. 
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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


4 For Forrester! Nope, 5 - 5 for Forrester. His Wife! Nice Stepford, type! Whaddya mean am I islamic? What's wrong with Muslims that Bush hasn't already MESSED UP! Muslims don't bother ME, nor do Baptists, Episcopalians, Methodists or Holy Rollers! This Is America, stupid! Freedom or Speech, Religion and _expression_! You need to read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


It's going to be closer than youthink Sharon. Forrester has pulled to within 5. I do think Corzine will win however because he will buy the blackvote-Original Message-From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:40:00 GMTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT


No thanks, I'll take a Coke with that Chicken, okay? 3 For Forrester!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


Sharon,

Since the blacks so mindlessly follow the dems, perhaps we'll feed em grape soda and fried chicken to stay home; usually the dems feed em hot dogs and grape soda to come out andvote-Original Message-From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:00:02 GMTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT


No, YOU vote for Forrester, he'll NEED your vote and his! That equals 2!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


hell yeah...Bush has done a great job despite the effort ofliberal scum; while you're at it vote forrester and not the scum corzine-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:08:35 EDTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT



Vote republican and get some more in like bush.HELL NO


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[AsburyPark] Re: Whose Property is it??

2005-10-21 Thread wernerapnj
Amy, I don't think I know you. Have we ever met, socialized? Thank 
you for your candor, kindly allow me the same latitude.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Amy Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Werner,
 I have been reading your posts now for months. I can't help but get
 offended when you imply, and not subtly, everyone is an idiot but
 you.

Your feelings and reaction to my personality are yours to deal with. 
Some people clash and some don't, that's just the way life is. Don't 
shoot the messenger.

 I have read your posts and heard you speak and while I think you are
 brilliant on many issues emotional growth, I imagine, is not one of
 them.  You can explain the issue in simplistic terms with out
 implying people are stupid for not understanding it.

Thank you for the compliment, but your psycological evaluation of me 
is a bit premature as we have no social/interpersonal relationship 
that I am aware of.
  
 I was at the council meeting and while you had the last 4 years to
 attend every meeting and committee that took place in Asbury
 regarding the redevelopment many of us were working full time and
 were unable to attend.

Perhaps then you would view my experiance as a resource after getting 
over any perceived personality clashes.

 I want to mention that Property Law is a complex issue.  I
 took many classes in it at law school and it continues to befuddle
 me.
 And it is not only me.  Property Law questions asked on the bar exam
 in all the states are the lowest scored questions.   There are six
 subject asked for the bar; torts, constitutional law, property,
 criminal law, contracts, evidence.  Property law questions are
 always the questions that most people get wrong.
 Encroachments, adverse possession, easements, easements by
 prescription, eminent domain each one of these issues are complex
 and then adding city ordinance to them manages to make them a
 little more confusing.

Well, Now that we have introductions out of the way, let's meet for 
coffe/lunch/drinks and get to work figuring out if private property 
owners should be permitted to use or build on City property adjacent 
to theirs.

A good Historian and a good Lawyer is just what Asbury Park needs. 

 So while you seem to have a grasp on it all please stop
 implying people's inability to fully understand what is going on are
 ignorant.

Will do, It's just the frustration of dealing with a dysfunctional 
City. You must be new here :-)

Werner






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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT

2005-10-21 Thread blacktip62




HAHAHAHAHA ok let's see... there is my man in Tex that just got indicted for money laundering he is Rep.. there is the Vice Pres top aide selling out the CIA he is Rep also right??? there is also that little war in the gulf that Bush started for what reason again??? he gave so many it's hard to follow.ok so Clinton got a BJ in the office... better him getting blown than the whole country getting the shaft[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
At least Bush stays focused on his job rather than a previous president. Democrats are upset because someone in that office is actually getting things accomplished..I am not necessarly a republican but I sure would have a hard time voting in a democrat at this point anyway, they don't have a clue. 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Whose Property is it??

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


Werner,
Are you Woody Allen? You seem to want to dissect everything and everyone! Like Amy said.Can't you just let it be? You're funny, man! Really!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--"wernerapnj"[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:Amy,Idon'tthinkIknowyou.Haveweevermet,socialized?Thankyouforyourcandor,kindlyallowmethesamelatitude.---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,AmyQuinn[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:Werner,Ihavebeenreadingyourpostsnowformonths.Ican'thelpbutgetoffendedwhenyouimply,andnotsubtly,everyoneisanidiotbutyou.Yourfeelingsandreactiontomypersonalityareyourstodealwith.Somepeopleclashandsomedon't,that'sjustthewaylifeis.Don'tshootthemessenger.IhavereadyourpostsandheardyouspeakandwhileIthinkyouarebrilliantonmanyissuesemotionalgrowth,Iimagine,isnotoneofthem.Youcanexplaintheissueinsimplistictermswithoutimplyingpeoplearestupidfornotunderstandingit.Thankyouforthecompliment,butyourpsycologicalevaluationofmeisabitprematureaswehavenosocial/interpersonalrelationshipthatIamawareof.Iwasatthecouncilmeetingandwhileyouhadthelast4yearstoattendeverymeetingandcommitteethattookplaceinAsburyregardingtheredevelopmentmanyofuswereworkingfulltimeandwereunabletoattend.Perhapsthenyouwouldviewmyexperianceasaresourceaftergettingoveranyperceivedpersonalityclashes.IwanttomentionthatPropertyLawisacomplexissue.Itookmanyclassesinitatlawschoolanditcontinuestobefuddleme.Anditisnotonlyme.PropertyLawquestionsaskedonthebarexaminallthestatesarethelowestscoredquestions.Therearesixsubjectaskedforthebar;torts,constitutionallaw,property,criminallaw,contracts,evidence.Propertylawquestionsarealwaysthequestionsthatmostpeoplegetwrong.Encroachments,adversepossession,easements,easementsbyprescription,eminentdomaineachoneoftheseissuesarecomplexandthenaddingcityordinancetothemmanagestomakethemalittlemoreconfusing.Well,Nowthatwehaveintroductionsoutoftheway,let'smeetforcoffe/lunch/drinksandgettoworkfiguringoutifprivatepropertyownersshouldbepermittedtouseorbuildonCitypropertyadjacenttotheirs.AgoodHistorianandagoodLawyerisjustwhatAsburyParkneeds.Sowhileyouseemtohaveagrasponitallpleasestopimplyingpeople'sinabilitytofullyunderstandwhatisgoingonareignorant.Willdo,It'sjustthefrustrationofdealingwithadysfunctionalCity.Youmustbenewhere:-)WernerYahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


..And all that Background Noise and Chatter! The Domino Theory is about to begin its, descent, as in ALL FALL DOWN!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--blacktip62[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

HAHAHAHAHA ok let's see... there is my man in Tex that just got indicted for money laundering he is Rep.. there is the Vice Pres top aide selling out the CIA he is Rep also right??? there is also that little war in the gulf that Bush started for what reason again??? he gave so many it's hard to follow.ok so Clinton got a BJ in the office... better him getting blown than the whole country getting the shaft[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
At least Bush stays focused on his job rather than a previous president. Democrats are upset because someone in that office is actually getting things accomplished..I am not necessarly a republican but I sure would have a hard time voting in a democrat at this point anyway, they don't have a clue. 


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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: C-8 Demolition Question, today's paper

2005-10-21 Thread Greg S
I think Werner has it right, the plan is the plan. The revelation that C-8 
is not properly built or would be too costly to make right is what's 
driving the change of plans. We need to make the government of this little 
city accountable for their actions. There needs to be an outside 
investigation into this whole mess.

- Original Message - 
From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 6:58 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: C-8 Demolition Question, today's paper


 Dan I urge you to rethink your position of accepting the City's story
 that the wrong plan was submitted

 As I wrote earlier, There is no evidence to that effect, to the
 contrary the preponderence of the evidence is that the correct plan was
 submitted and that this is a flim-flam being perpetrated on the public
 to benefit the developer.

 Werner

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ...That is not
 what is at issue here. What is is legality and possible fraud
 
 What it does not explain however, is whether the wrong
 plan was given to NJDEP intentionally, and if not, why, when Aaron
 told the Developer that the June plan could not be adopted, the
 Developer did not inform NJDEP. It also doesn;t answer why when the
 City knew it was the wrong plan that it did not contact NJDEP.








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[AsburyPark] Re: Who's property is it ??

2005-10-21 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 As I said last night, show me the documents that GAVE, or RESERVED, 
 the rights to the public on PRIVATE property. It is you who may be 
 misinformed. I clearly own FEE title to every square inch within my 
 50 X 150 lot.

The City is not laying claim to any of your 50x150 lot. You own it 
and can do as you please within the bounds of the law.

 IF, and for the moment I will assume that it is 
 correct, that the City has some rights IN, or OVER my property (and 
 I am talking about ACTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS as distinct from the
 usual powers of government,... Thus, we must see from what document
 the City has a  right-of-way over our PRIVATE property and what are
 the limits of its rights on OUR PRIVATE property.

The City is not making any claim to rights-of-way over private 
property. The City owns its ROW and it is distinct and seperate from 
private property 
 
... I am not saying that the 
 City does not have a valid right-of-way (I doubt it is a right of 
 way through front lawns and more likley an easement) over PRIVATE 
 property, I only take issue with your ridiculous premise that it is 
 not PRIVATE property. It is PRIVATE property over/in which the 
 PUBLIC has SOME rights.

Please read my statements above again... The City owns its streets 
(ROW). You own your private lot. The boundry between the two is in 
front of your home. It is not the curb or sidewalk etc. It is a line 
surveyed in the grass between your home and the sidewalk. You own the 
50x150 lot on one side. The City street (ROW) is on the other. 

At issue is whether or not private use/construction should be 
permitted in/on a City street.

Werner






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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIGHT

2005-10-21 Thread Abdualtalac





Well you know what they say, whenever you get a dick(cheney)  a bush 
(george) together, someone is getting screwed.

  




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread blacktip62



yup i just hope people see them as the GANGSTERS that they really are... damn from top man in Washington to having a smiling mug shot hehehehe"Sharon G. Boone" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
..And all that Background Noise and Chatter! The Domino Theory is about to begin its, descent, as in ALL FALL DOWN!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--blacktip62[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

HAHAHAHAHA ok let's see... there is my man in Tex that just got indicted for money laundering he is Rep.. there is the Vice Pres top aide selling out the CIA he is Rep also right??? there is also that little war in the gulf that Bush started for what reason again??? he gave so many it's hard to follow.ok so Clinton got a BJ in the office... better him getting blown than the whole country getting the shaft[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Whose property is it?

2005-10-21 Thread wernerapnj
Dan, we're having a major miscommunication here. Here's the scenario:

I assert that 1+2=3. You, in response, say I am wrong because 2+2=4.

Clearly we are both correct aside from the fact that you are wrong in 
asserting that I am wrong. Instead of addressing the issue that I 
raise you are going off on a tangent.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I will leave planning, etc. to Werner, but he is wrong on the law
 and property rights.

Ahh, You throw down the gauntlet. OK here we go.

... Assumedly, Bradely 
 or the founders, when selling the tractss either RESERVED some
 rights for the public in or over PRIVATE PROPERTY or the City
 later acquired those rights.
 Whatever the case may be, those rights, now referred 
 herein as PUBLIC PROPERTY (more specifically, public rights in
 private property)
... You just can;t say it is public property and private property 
 owners cannot do anything with their own property.

Not the case and not the topic of discussion, see my previous post. 
There's the tangent argument you are making.

...If the public 
 abridges or increases its RIGHT (or property)in or over private 
 property, then it is a taking and the Constitution requires just 
 compensation.

There you go again

 If you want to regulate fences, pass a law for godssakes, 
 but don't tell me I don;t own the property. I I didn't, I wouldn't 
 be paying taxes on it. Werner is as wrong as wrong can be.

Back to the issue: The boundry between the City street and your 
private lot is in the area between your home and the sidewalk. Your 
fence is in the City Street for legal purposes. You are not paying 
taxes for part of your front yard because you do not own it. 

Are you a betting man? A six pack or $1,000.00,(your choice), that I 
am right. How far do you want to go with this?

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[AsburyPark] Re: DEP

2005-10-21 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 Dan, I feel you are falling for the bait and switch and I'm 
really 
 surprized. It is not a FACT that the wrong plan was submitted. The 
 preponderence of the evidence is that the correct plan WAS 
submitted. 

Perhaps I am, but I don't think I am falling for anything. You 
haven't seen what else I have done with regard to my requests to DEP 
and for investigation by other authorities. I don't know what the 
truth is, but I know it cannot be what I am being told. I have asked 
the DEP if it is they who required the language about C-8. If so, 
that means the June plan was created for their benefit and the CAFRA 
permit. Whether that plan could or could not be legally adopted 
without further review by the Planning Board is yet to be seen. But 
the City is maintaining that it could not. That in and of itslef 
presents problems for the Developer and the City 1) potential fraud 
by submitting a plan that was not to be followed and/or 2) not 
informing DEP that the plan submitted was not the plan. If in fact 
DEP required the language and the official plan does not have it (as 
the City claims) then it cannot be issued a CAFRA permit. Also, if 
DEP wants the language then we as a City could not even allow 
rebuilding if we wanted to.

What I do know is that that language is in there because someone 
wanted it included. I know the Developer did not do it if it wasn't 
required. I also know that the planners would not do it on their 
own. It is in there because either the DEP or City required it. Only 
additional evidence will show where the truth lies. I wish some that 
were on the Planning Board would come forth and help. But I suspect 
that there will be an extensive investigation which will turn up 
everything. I hope we can settle this before people have to be 
dragged onto the perp walk.






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[AsburyPark] Re: Who's property is it ??

2005-10-21 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 Please read my statements above again... The City owns its streets 
 (ROW). You own your private lot. The boundry between the two is in 
 front of your home. It is not the curb or sidewalk etc. It is a line 
 surveyed in the grass between your home and the sidewalk. You own 
the 
 50x150 lot on one side. The City street (ROW) is on the other. 
 
 At issue is whether or not private use/construction should be 
 permitted in/on a City street.


Well then I misinterpreted you or you were not clear. I thought you 
said that the ROW went onto my property. I am telling you that the 50 
X 150 is within my fence line, you claim it is not. We'll measure it 
this weekend and loser buys beers.






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Re: [AsburyPark] Check out Capitol Hill Blue: Just Plain Dumb and Stup id

2005-10-21 Thread blacktip62



WOO HOO YOU GO GIRL HAHAHAHA and save some of that chicken for me "Sharon G. Boone" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Abdual:
The Title says it all! This is what you get when you have an ex-Air force Man, running the Army, Navy and the Marines! He has Navy seals on the ground, Navy Seaman on the ground, Army, Army and Air National Guard on the ground and what do you get? Chaos and stupidity! Donald Rumsfeld also has the Air Force in charge of the Base Closings! 2 GS-18's came to my Post in Neptune and told us who they were contracted to. If I told you how many millions they get out of the conracts they procured, you'd slap me for telling! I looked at them in awe! Getting contracts with the military is one of the biggest slush funds and scams going! This alone, is why so many speculators love having the Repugs in office. It's a GIMME! The only reason Bush 1's war ws so short was because he had an AIR WAR! Not that I was for the first one. We have veterans with skin problems because depleted uranium is used in those missiles used and fired on the Iraqi people. You know, the one when Bush 1, didn't captured
 Saddam? Now you have a real Cola Nut, in Osama, the guy they can't find! I can't figure this country out! 16 of the 19 terrorists in the 9-11 attacks were Arabs, yet, we go after Saddam! Why aren't we going after the Saudis? I forgot, Bush and Company are in bed with them, right? Know what else I forgot? This is an Asbury Park Group! Sorry, Asbury, I had to get this in when someone questions my Patriotism, ask me what my religion is, when everybody in Asbury, knows I only go to funerals and Ash Wednesday! A real fallbythewayside, Catholic! Still go to confession and do the Penance! I love the Faith, but hate what the Church has done, sodomizing little boys! Anyway, when I vote Democrat, I have Coke with my fried Chicken, after I cash my check! I'm cracking up, cause I've never gotten paid to vote! I vote for free! Stupid, but I'm not in anybody's pocket! I criticize em' ALL! Part of the game,
 right?SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

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Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND - member of the Nation of Islam

2005-10-21 Thread Skip Bernstein





Doc, have you stopped beating 
your wife?
Skip Bernstein[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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  From: 
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  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 7:12 
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  Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE 
  DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT
  
  
  
  Sharon, are you a member of the Nation of 
  Islam?-Original Message-From: Sharon G. 
  Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: 
  Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:55:50 GMTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS 
  AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT
  

  Is your name Bush? 
  Because HE don't read the papers, either! C-Span? CNN? FOX, even? They've ALL 
  carried the story of who REALLY is at fault! Just today, a revelation came 
  about about your boy, "BROWNIE"! Seems BROWNIE needed extra time to finish his 
  dinner! That was before he was HUMBLED/er,FIRED/er,RESIGNED! Yeah, that's the 
  ticket! Brownie, the Brown-Noser, crony/friend/buddy-boy, 
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Fw: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


--ForwardedMessage--
Dear Bear:
You're a fine human being! Sad-DAM, BADD! We agree on one thing. Saddam is a Bad Man! No matter! YOU STARTED THIS! May You BURN, ALSO! ou come in here uninvited and start a political diatribe of no consequence, or of interest to Me, at least! If you think we're in bad shape here, stay your behind in Florida and I hope
WIL-MAAA BLOWS you out to sea! Go hang out in a Repug, neo-con group!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


Dear Sharon,

I would like you to go on record RIGHT NOW and post that Saddam Hussein was a fine human being...Go ahead say ityou imbecile...Tell this board that Saddam was an angel...may you burn in hell!-Original Message-From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:41:49 GMTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT



Dear Bear:
This is an Asbury Park Group. We are Democrat, Republican and Other. Who is paying you to dish the dirt, you think you have, on the Democrats? Remember, "Nobody died, when Clinton lied"! Under Clinton, the Country had a LARGE Surplus, that your boy, Dubya, SQUANDERED! Bush gives tax breaks, ONLY, to the Rich and NOT the poor, who he lies to, daily. There were NO WMD's! No Reason to Invade another country, torture its' citizens, rob it of its' antiquities and TAKE it's GOLD BULLION! Who has that? CHENEY? We are near 2000 Deaths, thousands of casualties, lost limbs and ENDLESS War! There are NO Kids of these DESK-HAWKS, Flag Lapel Pin Wearers, Over There! THEY, including, AWOL BUSh, EX-ALCOHOLIC, DRUG ABUSER, TEMPER-TANTRUM Having, Spoiled Frat-Boy, President, NEVER SERVED! His House of Cards, is about to fall after Outing a known CIA-Undercover Agent. It's a Federal Offense, YOU! Ditto, on Tom Delay and Bill Frist, those bastions of honesty! So why are YOU here?
SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:At least Bush stays focused on his job rather than a previous president. Democrats are upset because someone in that office is actually getting things accomplished..I am not necessarly a republican but I sure would have a hard time voting in a democrat at this point anyway, they don't have a clue. 


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Fw: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


--ForwardedMessage--Roman Catholic, Stupid!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


Sharon, are you a member of the Nation of Islam?-Original Message-From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:55:50 GMTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT


Is your name Bush? Because HE don't read the papers, either! C-Span? CNN? FOX, even? They've ALL carried the story of who REALLY is at fault! Just today, a revelation came about about your boy, "BROWNIE"! Seems BROWNIE needed extra time to finish his dinner! That was before he was HUMBLED/er,FIRED/er,RESIGNED! Yeah, that's the ticket! Brownie, the Brown-Noser, crony/friend/buddy-boy, GONE!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:The LOCAL goverment failed, they never notified the feds thats what caused part of the delay. 
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Re: Fw: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Sharon G. Boone


Does anyone know who these posters are? They are NOT members of this group. One is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]. How can they post? Check all 350 members. They are not! Please help!--"SharonG.Boone"[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:--ForwardedMessage--
Dear Bear:
You're a fine human being! Sad-DAM, BADD! We agree on one thing. Saddam is a Bad Man! No matter! YOU STARTED THIS! May You BURN, ALSO! ou come in here uninvited and start a political diatribe of no consequence, or of interest to Me, at least! If you think we're in bad shape here, stay your behind in Florida and I hope
WIL-MAAA BLOWS you out to sea! Go hang out in a Repug, neo-con group!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


Dear Sharon,

I would like you to go on record RIGHT NOW and post that Saddam Hussein was a fine human being...Go ahead say ityou imbecile...Tell this board that Saddam was an angel...may you burn in hell!-Original Message-From: Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:41:49 GMTSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT



Dear Bear:
This is an Asbury Park Group. We are Democrat, Republican and Other. Who is paying you to dish the dirt, you think you have, on the Democrats? Remember, "Nobody died, when Clinton lied"! Under Clinton, the Country had a LARGE Surplus, that your boy, Dubya, SQUANDERED! Bush gives tax breaks, ONLY, to the Rich and NOT the poor, who he lies to, daily. There were NO WMD's! No Reason to Invade another country, torture its' citizens, rob it of its' antiquities and TAKE it's GOLD BULLION! Who has that? CHENEY? We are near 2000 Deaths, thousands of casualties, lost limbs and ENDLESS War! There are NO Kids of these DESK-HAWKS, Flag Lapel Pin Wearers, Over There! THEY, including, AWOL BUSh, EX-ALCOHOLIC, DRUG ABUSER, TEMPER-TANTRUM Having, Spoiled Frat-Boy, President, NEVER SERVED! His House of Cards, is about to fall after Outing a known CIA-Undercover Agent. It's a Federal Offense, YOU! Ditto, on Tom Delay and Bill Frist, those bastions of honesty! So why are YOU here?
SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:At least Bush stays focused on his job rather than a previous president. Democrats are upset because someone in that office is actually getting things accomplished..I am not necessarly a republican but I sure would have a hard time voting in a democrat at this point anyway, they don't have a clue. 


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Re: [AsburyPark] Chant Food Pantry

2005-10-21 Thread kyangazi denson



Sharon, I wish I knew who I was chatting with, especially since you say we have spoken face to face at least once. 

Again, Thank you so very much for your time and support, especially in this time of great needs. I'll inform CHANT of the good news.

Shangazi"Sharon G. Boone" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ms. Denson,
I know people who are familiar with you and the services you give to the community. I, for one, know that. When Asbury Park Candidates for Office were having the forums at Mt. Carmel Catholic and Asbury Park Middle Schools, I saw you videotaping these events and we spoke. I also saw RadioAsbury.com, 88.1, also there. What I'll do is print this email and give it to the President of my Auxiliary. My Post and Auxiliary, give 50 Thanksgiving baskets each year and my daughter and I give two, 1 each to a family at the Little People At Work, Pre-School. I will ask the Auxiliary, to either bring food in, or give cash ,so that food can be replenished, at the The Chant Food Pantry and any posters out there, can contact you to help also. What you could do, is make a flyer and get it out to the local businesses here, or contact them and ask if they'd be willing to place a box, at their front door, asking for contributions.
Sad huh, what a catastrophe brings on other communities. Didn't know that Asbury Park, Neptune and low-income people, were affected here. I humbly apologize for anything I said, adverse to the wonderful job you do in this area. I know also, that Red Bank, had a program called Lunch Break and St. Augustine's Episcopal Church, on Prosepect Ave. Has their Feeding Program for the homeless and Trinity Church, in Asbury Park,also has a food program, too. Have they been affected by Katrina/Rita? Now, Florida is preparing for Wilma! What's next? Does any other churches in this area have similar programs? If so, can I get a list of them? Email me off group and I'll see what I can do.
SharonSharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--kyangazidenson[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Sharon, I completely understand your frustrations with this group, but perhaps you can view us like i do, i am sooo busy these days with being care giver to my senior mom and handicap brother that I welcome any news of what's going on in the lives of others, sort of like, if you're with 2 year olds 24/7 that any adult conversations are a blessing, lol.

lighten up dear heart and go with the flow, we all mean well, i think, lol, or better yet, when i lived in nyc, i'd rather say, some of us fly further than fire island, and/or,its a small world after all, never know who knows who when you're doing whatever you do, where ever you do what you do. and its not what you know, but what you know about whom that counts most.

as for my little charity, please help by volunteerring your time, and or donations, people (children, seniors, etc)are sufferring and Mercy Center, like Chant ran out of food before the month's end too. why do you think they have fund raisers. spread the word, how ever you can, even on a yahoo group, email list etc., CHANT's motto is, "hunger does not take a vacation." and i hope you read the article in the app and coaster, this is no joke, good nutrition is good for life.

Kean maybe the cause ofmany people being without a pay checkto spend in asbury park when he closed Tom Smith's office in Asbury, that's why there is a CHANTfood pantry, Tom Smith helped to build it. Smith even helped me get my show on cable in 1992 when he presented the cable company with the FCC rules and regulations to train his residents to be Producers of their own show. He also got memy notary stamp too. 

to badSmith was a Lincoln republican, but at least they named a building after him, even if he was the first and only black assemblyman in the history of monmouth county. yet he made his mark to helppromote many blacks, likejudges, policeman, broadcasters, etc., 

but when it came to politics,Smith couldn't do anything to help Mr Fashion get his job because "the 11th district wasn't designed to be a life long position for black candidates" according to Bill Dow on the day Kean was selected. I put it on my show and you know what happened toBill Dowand his job, he was challenged and lost to a kean supporter. and there goes the Smith office to Wall, the beginning.

I got to document all eventsand Idonating my skillsbecause ofknowing Tom Smith. I hope I do him proud, perhaps if I become the Oprah of NJ, money wise, he'd rise from the grave smiling saying, did I do That? Yes, Mr Smith, there is a money tree in asbury park for me too, a democratic humanitarian black cherokee asbury park woman. talk about a wammie of tokens all wrapped up into one, lol

nice chatting with you

Shangazi"Sharon G. Boone" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You missed my point entirely! I am NOT against this Charity AT ALL! There are a lot of people in this group involved in one charity or another! So you're older than me! I knew that! You know me but not by name or I have a forgettable 

Re: [AsburyPark] I HATE DEMOCRATS AND DIRECTLY BLAME THEM FOR THE PLIG HT

2005-10-21 Thread Beartraprr


I thought I apoligized and stated my background, in fact I know I did, back up a few messages

I joined this group hoping, even though I moved from Asbury 10 years ago, to join in the celebration of its return.

They are evidently putting up concrete blocks and the like, but wow, whats everyone thinking...?

I meant no harm, was just saying something..Good luck men, and I mean that

John




  
  
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