[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I object to the movie's eventual tie-in to 9/11 (it's America's fault that the Taliban took over Afghanistan, therefore, America caused 9/11). People are upset with the alleged attempt of the Bush administration to tie Iraq to 9/11. I hear the movie tries to tie the Reagan Administration to 9/11 with the above argument in the end. How stupid. Won't plop down my $8 just because of that. Nothing happens in a vacuum. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Time to rewrite the lyrics to...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, John C. LiDestri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: I wonder what it would cost to place billboards next to their other F-R-A-U-D I said, a billboard with Dean's image. Give back the money Dean. That's the T-shirt. If it's an attorney escrow account how come in isn't being returned? It was impossible to get a sample of their original sales contract when someone asked for one. Reminded me and my client of a timeshare marketing. Actually, one of the salesman there reminded me (if it wasn't) of a timeshare sale guy once in Mexico when I went for a free breakfast. I'd swear it was him. Their tag line prices will go only go up... was also tacky. Give back the money Dean. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Time to rewrite the lyrics to...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Many of the bond insurers were recently downgraded to junk and are technically insolvent. That's why you check the rating of the company before you accept. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Time to rewrite the lyrics to...
I'm not going to accept one from Joe's neighborhood Bonds no matter what the rating. You have to go with the powerhouses and go with their ratings. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: That's why you check the rating of the company before you accept. And whose to check the ratings companies. They full of fraud/shit as well. Just like developers. Give back the money dean. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Bush associates still consolidate their hold on US media
Longtime associates of President George W. Bush are consolidating their hold on American media with a string of recent purchases. Conservative media mogul Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. announced of late the sale of 8 of its US television stations to a private equity firm -- Oak Hill Partners -- for an estimated $1.1 billion dollars that is expected to close sometime in 2008. The deal leaves Murdoch with another 27 television stations in major US cities such as Boston, New York City, and Los Angeles, as well as The New York Post, a controlling interest in BSkyB, movie studio 20th Century Fox, and Wall Street Journal publisher Dow Jones Co Inc. Oak Hill Partners lead investor Robert M. Bass, a longtime associate of George W. Bush, is also the founder of Ft. Worth, Texas-based Bass Brothers Enterprises. Oak Hill issued a statement announcing the stations would be jointly managed by a broadcast holding company, Local TV, that was created by Oak Hill for the purpose of purchasing 9 other television stations from The New York Times previously this year. Conservative ties for the Bass Brothers Robert Bass, along with his brothers Lee, Ed, and Sid, from a wealthy Texas oil family, all attended Yale University where Ed was a classmate and friend of George W. Bush. The brothers later became Bush's number 5 career patrons, as well as business dealings with now President Bush. Robert Bass is also the founder and chairman of Aerion Corporation, which has been the recipient of several very lucrative DARPA contracts for the development of supersonic laminar flow wing studies, along with research and test flights. News Corp. had originally intended to sell off 9 of its US television stations; however Bass's subsidiary, Local TV, could not purchase WHBQ-TV in Memphis, Tennessee as it had previously purchased CBS affiliate WREG-TV: Federal Communications Commission rules allow market duopolies but only one of the two stations under a single owner can be among the market's four top-rated stations there and there must be least eight unique station owners in the market once the duopoly is formed.
[AsburyPark] Year End Accounting
Does AP Partners or ANY other entities asssociated with the redevelopment owe the city any monies - reimbursements, taxes or any other fees? If so, how much and for what? Mr. Keady? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] 72 Hours
Ok. What's the response to the 72 Hours to respond? I've accounted for weekends, holidays. 1. Attorney(s) are on vacation? 2. Dean,family and friends on vacation? 3. They forgot a stamp or had wrong address? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bar Association
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy if the funds are held in an ATTORNEY escrow account and a developer makes a statement in fact that hey halted construction wouldn't the attorney holding those funds cut a check back if someone asked? It's pretty obvious that target dates will not be met. What would happen if those 70 (20?) people with contracts filed a complaint to the BAR? (skip the beer jokes) As of this moment in time, I doubt there has been any defaults under the contracts. When an attorney is escrow agent, they can't release funds until both sides agree (even if one side is wrong). Metro is likely asserting that all those folks in contract are still under contract. If the buyer disagrees, they will have to file suit. The escrow agent (attorney) is allowed to file suit to ask the court to settle the dispute too. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bush associates still consolidate their hold on US media
Murdoch is also an associate (whatever that means in the article) of the Clinton's, supports Hillary for President and is one of her contributors/fundraisers. So the article is meaningless. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Longtime associates of President George W. Bush are consolidating their hold on American media with a string of recent purchases. Conservative media mogul Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. announced of late the sale of 8 of its US television stations to a private equity firm -- Oak Hill Partners -- for an estimated $1.1 billion dollars that is expected to close sometime in 2008. The deal leaves Murdoch with another 27 television stations in major US cities such as Boston, New York City, and Los Angeles, as well as The New York Post, a controlling interest in BSkyB, movie studio 20th Century Fox, and Wall Street Journal publisher Dow Jones Co Inc. Oak Hill Partners lead investor Robert M. Bass, a longtime associate of George W. Bush, is also the founder of Ft. Worth, Texas-based Bass Brothers Enterprises. Oak Hill issued a statement announcing the stations would be jointly managed by a broadcast holding company, Local TV, that was created by Oak Hill for the purpose of purchasing 9 other television stations from The New York Times previously this year. Conservative ties for the Bass Brothers Robert Bass, along with his brothers Lee, Ed, and Sid, from a wealthy Texas oil family, all attended Yale University where Ed was a classmate and friend of George W. Bush. The brothers later became Bush's number 5 career patrons, as well as business dealings with now President Bush. Robert Bass is also the founder and chairman of Aerion Corporation, which has been the recipient of several very lucrative DARPA contracts for the development of supersonic laminar flow wing studies, along with research and test flights. News Corp. had originally intended to sell off 9 of its US television stations; however Bass's subsidiary, Local TV, could not purchase WHBQ-TV in Memphis, Tennessee as it had previously purchased CBS affiliate WREG-TV: Federal Communications Commission rules allow market duopolies but only one of the two stations under a single owner can be among the market's four top-rated stations there and there must be least eight unique station owners in the market once the duopoly is formed. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Time to rewrite the lyrics to...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why you check the rating of the company before you accept. And whose to check the ratings companies. They full of fraud/shit as well. Just like developers. Give back the money dean. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I object to the movie's eventual tie-in to 9/11 (it's America's fault that the Taliban took over Afghanistan, therefore, America caused 9/11). People are upset with the alleged attempt of the Bush administration to tie Iraq to 9/11. I hear the movie tries to tie the Reagan Administration to 9/11 with the above argument in the end. How stupid. Won't plop down my $8 just because of that. Nothing happens in a vacuum. So you believe Iraq and 9/11 were connected? If you say no, then I suppose you will have to amend you statement to say that some things happen in a vaccuum. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bar Association
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. The escrow agent (attorney) is allowed to file suit to ask the court to settle the dispute too. An escrow attorney would do it on their own, given the evidence, no? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess Tommy doesn't believe it's possible for America to do wrong... By this statement do you assert America was wrong to assist the Afghans against the Russians? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bush associates still consolidate their hold on US media
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Transatlantic Murdoch watchers can tell you that all this is wishful thinking even without the demonic TV skills of Fox's supremo Roger Ailes. Less publicized than Murdoch's fierce political conservatism -- undoubtedly his private conviction -- is his readiness to turn on a dime when it's commercially expedient. That suppleness is one of the things that make him such a formidable opponent. Nothing distracts him from his business goals -- not ideology, not friendship, not some inconvenient promise, not even family. John this is not a criticism of you but rather the person who penned the above paragraph. In the SAME SENTENCE I'm told of Murdock's fierce political conservatism I'm also told of his readiness to turn on a dime. Er, which is it then? A Free Press means you we have to suffer fools such as this writer. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Bar Association
Tommy if the funds are held in an ATTORNEY escrow account and a developer makes a statement in fact that hey halted construction wouldn't the attorney holding those funds cut a check back if someone asked? It's pretty obvious that target dates will not be met. What would happen if those 70 (20?) people with contracts filed a complaint to the BAR? (skip the beer jokes) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
I guess Tommy doesn't believe it's possible for America to do wrong... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I object to the movie's eventual tie-in to 9/11 (it's America's fault that the Taliban took over Afghanistan, therefore, America caused 9/11). People are upset with the alleged attempt of the Bush administration to tie Iraq to 9/11. I hear the movie tries to tie the Reagan Administration to 9/11 with the above argument in the end. How stupid. Won't plop down my $8 just because of that. Nothing happens in a vacuum. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bush associates still consolidate their hold on US media
no --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he can be both. ever heard of a republican who worships money before? On Dec 27, 2007, at 11:01 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: Transatlantic Murdoch watchers can tell you that all this is wishful thinking even without the demonic TV skills of Fox's supremo Roger Ailes. Less publicized than Murdoch's fierce political conservatism -- undoubtedly his private conviction -- is his readiness to turn on a dime when it's commercially expedient. That suppleness is one of the things that make him such a formidable opponent. Nothing distracts him from his business goals -- not ideology, not friendship, not some inconvenient promise, not even family. John this is not a criticism of you but rather the person who penned the above paragraph. In the SAME SENTENCE I'm told of Murdock's fierce political conservatism I'm also told of his readiness to turn on a dime. Er, which is it then? A Free Press means you we have to suffer fools such as this writer. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bar Association
I don't think anyone can sue Metro right now because I don't think there has been a breach of the contract terms as of this date. That time will come though. There is a cause of action called anticipatory breach of contract however that usually has to be written into the contract as a right, and these Metro contracts from what I remember were heavily weighted toward Metro, so I doubt that's in there. That might actually be an equitable remedy that you can be used by the buyer even if not in the contract (don't quote me on that; I'd have to research it first). What's scary for these people who were buyers is if any of them left in the contract that Metro can spend their deposits, and if Metro did. If that company goes to Bankruptcy, those deposits could be gone for good. Time to sue the lawyers who allowed it if that happens. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: ; Plus the agent would have to apply to the court to re-coup his costs for filing the suit, and that isn't automatic either, so that would be rare for the agent to file the suit. Thanks again. So who about the buyer's attorney sues the escrow agent for release as well... Thanks Tom. Cough it up Dean. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bar Association
It's pretty rare for the escrow agent to do that ( I just threw that in to make the answer more complete). An escrow agent wouldn't do that unless the parties were at an impasse for a really long time, and it was becoming an impostion on the escrow agent. Plus the agent would have to apply to the court to re-coup his costs for filing the suit, and that isn't automatic either, so that would be rare for the agent to file the suit. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Thanks. The escrow agent (attorney) is allowed to file suit to ask the court to settle the dispute too. An escrow attorney would do it on their own, given the evidence, no? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Florida...
interesting to read, based on Fl law, but same principles: http://www.kpkb.com/news-publications-developer-breach-of-contract- remedies.html then more of my favorites - preconstruction investing sites... http://www.investorwealth.com/preconstruction/tour.htm http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/26/us/26condo.html?em; ...MIAMI, May 25 As dozens of condominium towers conceived during Florida's real estate boom near completion, investors who snatched up units in the preconstruction phase in hopes of turning a quick profit are increasingly trying to break contracts, even walking away from fat deposits http://condoprofits.com/preconstruction.php and from somewhere else: ... The aura of success and exclusivity around the firm was so strong that investors often begged to be let into its funds, some of which were said to have astounding annualized returns of 125 percent for several years. How's that for dazzling returns? Even Donald Trump, who has managed to lose money for his investors in typically surefire investments such as NY Real Estate and/or Gaming, was smart enough to avoid the sucker pitch: While Palm Beach is still abuzz about the collapse of KL, few investors want to acknowledge that they were caught up in the frenzy. Donald J. Trump, who owns several properties in the area, said in an interview that he had been contacted about investing in the fund but didn't because he thought the returns were too good to be true. These guys duped a lot of people down in Palm Beach, smart people with lots of money, Mr. Trump said. These people feel they were conned, and they're embarrassed. They just don't want to talk about it. -\ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bush associates still consolidate their hold on US media
he can be both. ever heard of a republican who worships money before? On Dec 27, 2007, at 11:01 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Transatlantic Murdoch watchers can tell you that all this is wishful thinking even without the demonic TV skills of Fox's supremo Roger Ailes. Less publicized than Murdoch's fierce political conservatism -- undoubtedly his private conviction -- is his readiness to turn on a dime when it's commercially expedient. That suppleness is one of the things that make him such a formidable opponent. Nothing distracts him from his business goals -- not ideology, not friendship, not some inconvenient promise, not even family. John this is not a criticism of you but rather the person who penned the above paragraph. In the SAME SENTENCE I'm told of Murdock's fierce political conservatism I'm also told of his readiness to turn on a dime. Er, which is it then? A Free Press means you we have to suffer fools such as this writer.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bush associates still consolidate their hold on US media
Transatlantic Murdoch watchers can tell you that all this is wishful thinking even without the demonic TV skills of Fox's supremo Roger Ailes. Less publicized than Murdoch's fierce political conservatism -- undoubtedly his private conviction -- is his readiness to turn on a dime when it's commercially expedient. That suppleness is one of the things that make him such a formidable opponent. Nothing distracts him from his business goals -- not ideology, not friendship, not some inconvenient promise, not even family. http://tinyurl.com/dk6wv On Dec 27, 2007, at 10:17 AM, justifiedright wrote: Murdoch is also an associate (whatever that means in the article) of the Clinton's, supports Hillary for President and is one of her contributors/fundraisers. So the article is meaningless. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Longtime associates of President George W. Bush are consolidating their hold on American media with a string of recent purchases. Conservative media mogul Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. announced of late the sale of 8 of its US television stations to a private equity firm -- Oak Hill Partners -- for an estimated $1.1 billion dollars that is expected to close sometime in 2008. The deal leaves Murdoch with another 27 television stations in major US cities such as Boston, New York City, and Los Angeles, as well as The New York Post, a controlling interest in BSkyB, movie studio 20th Century Fox, and Wall Street Journal publisher Dow Jones Co Inc. Oak Hill Partners lead investor Robert M. Bass, a longtime associate of George W. Bush, is also the founder of Ft. Worth, Texas-based Bass Brothers Enterprises. Oak Hill issued a statement announcing the stations would be jointly managed by a broadcast holding company, Local TV, that was created by Oak Hill for the purpose of purchasing 9 other television stations from The New York Times previously this year. Conservative ties for the Bass Brothers Robert Bass, along with his brothers Lee, Ed, and Sid, from a wealthy Texas oil family, all attended Yale University where Ed was a classmate and friend of George W. Bush. The brothers later became Bush's number 5 career patrons, as well as business dealings with now President Bush. Robert Bass is also the founder and chairman of Aerion Corporation, which has been the recipient of several very lucrative DARPA contracts for the development of supersonic laminar flow wing studies, along with research and test flights. News Corp. had originally intended to sell off 9 of its US television stations; however Bass's subsidiary, Local TV, could not purchase WHBQ-TV in Memphis, Tennessee as it had previously purchased CBS affiliate WREG-TV: Federal Communications Commission rules allow market duopolies but only one of the two stations under a single owner can be among the market's four top-rated stations there and there must be least eight unique station owners in the market once the duopoly is formed. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] FRAUD
Did Metro's continued committment and high profile announcements contribute to what be viewed as fraud? How early on did Metro know that they will be folding all the while continuing to market the property? Let's bo back to the STOCK brokerage (hmmm) world. I'm currently looking at 3 more sets of claims forms in class action vs Merrill Lynch and their contined hyping of Tyco stock. Reading the fine print, the LAWYERS bringing thea ction get the bulk of the $, those who beleived Merrill get a couple pennies per share. Meanwhile, ML, their analysts, the rating agencies etc all made untold millions. If I take the time and complete the paperwork I am entitled to something. That is, until I read the fine(r) print - that if you flipped the stock in this little time period or made a profit you are excluded (even though you might of sold just to protect your investment, not the hyped amount you wanted...) Plenty of these condo project were built with funny money, funny promoters and lawyers. No different then the stock market. We are simple people. Greedy. Like a stock, metro sales were taught the phrase it will only go up.. These prices won't last... If you take a depsoit check from someone on Thursday, then stop on Friday. I'd call that fraud. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bar Association
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's scary for these people who were buyers is if any of them left in the contract that Metro can spend their deposits, and if Metro did. If that company goes to Bankruptcy, those deposits could be gone for good. ... Thanks Tom. I wonder if Dean is working on his tan? Oh where oh where has that deposit money goneoh where oh where can it be Give it up Dean. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Go With the Ratings
In a message dated 12/27/2007 11:58:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Washington Times: Daily Circulation = 100,258 # 97 of all US newspapers N.B. Asbury Park Press - # 74145,508 192,581 **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Re: Bush associates still consolidate their hold on US media
John you keep posting messages about me personally. Something wrong you want to talk to about, friend? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose one could filter all of your views of republicanism through this last message. On Dec 27, 2007, at 11:25 AM, justifiedright wrote: no --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: he can be both. ever heard of a republican who worships money before? On Dec 27, 2007, at 11:01 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: Transatlantic Murdoch watchers can tell you that all this is wishful thinking even without the demonic TV skills of Fox's supremo Roger Ailes. Less publicized than Murdoch's fierce political conservatism -- undoubtedly his private conviction -- is his readiness to turn on a dime when it's commercially expedient. That suppleness is one of the things that make him such a formidable opponent. Nothing distracts him from his business goals -- not ideology, not friendship, not some inconvenient promise, not even family. John this is not a criticism of you but rather the person who penned the above paragraph. In the SAME SENTENCE I'm told of Murdock's fierce political conservatism I'm also told of his readiness to turn on a dime. Er, which is it then? A Free Press means you we have to suffer fools such as this writer. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bush associates still consolidate their hold on US media
I suppose one could filter all of your views of republicanism through this last message. On Dec 27, 2007, at 11:25 AM, justifiedright wrote: no --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he can be both. ever heard of a republican who worships money before? On Dec 27, 2007, at 11:01 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: Transatlantic Murdoch watchers can tell you that all this is wishful thinking even without the demonic TV skills of Fox's supremo Roger Ailes. Less publicized than Murdoch's fierce political conservatism -- undoubtedly his private conviction -- is his readiness to turn on a dime when it's commercially expedient. That suppleness is one of the things that make him such a formidable opponent. Nothing distracts him from his business goals -- not ideology, not friendship, not some inconvenient promise, not even family. John this is not a criticism of you but rather the person who penned the above paragraph. In the SAME SENTENCE I'm told of Murdock's fierce political conservatism I'm also told of his readiness to turn on a dime. Er, which is it then? A Free Press means you we have to suffer fools such as this writer.
[AsburyPark] Go With the Ratings
12/23/2007 justifiedright writes: the NY Times I don't exactly follow the Old Grey Dish towelI happen to strive for responsibility in journalismThe NYT aren't very up to date on politics. 12/27/2007 10:13:50 A.M. justifiedright writes: I'm not going to accept one from Joe's neighborhood Bonds no matter what the rating. You have to go with the powerhouses and go with their ratings. = from _http://www.burrellesluce.com/top100/2007_Top_100List.pdf_ (http://www.burrellesluce.com/top100/2007_Top_100List.pdf) New York Times: Daily circulation = 1,120,420#3 of all US papers Sunday circulation = 1,627,062 #1 of all US papers On the Web: # 1 newspaper site Washington Times: Daily Circulation = 100,258 # 97 of all US newspapers = Good old conservative faith in the free market place and meritocracy: I'll go with the ratings. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Re: Go With the Ratings
Of course Mario when I'm acting as someone's lawyer I have to be right. I can't do something as strange as compare AAA Bond ratings to newspaper circulations, as if one has something to do with the other. I'm betting there are somewhere between 20 and 70 Metro Homes contract purchasers that wish they had hired me. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 12/23/2007 justifiedright writes: the NY Times I don't exactly follow the Old Grey Dish towelI happen to strive for responsibility in journalismThe NYT aren't very up to date on politics. 12/27/2007 10:13:50 A.M. justifiedright writes: I'm not going to accept one from Joe's neighborhood Bonds no matter what the rating. You have to go with the powerhouses and go with their ratings. = from _http://www.burrellesluce.com/top100/2007_Top_100List.pdf_ (http://www.burrellesluce.com/top100/2007_Top_100List.pdf) New York Times: Daily circulation = 1,120,420#3 of all US papers Sunday circulation = 1,627,062 #1 of all US papers On the Web: # 1 newspaper site Washington Times: Daily Circulation = 100,258 # 97 of all US newspapers = Good old conservative faith in the free market place and meritocracy: I'll go with the ratings. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bush associates still consolidate their hold on US media
no. On Dec 27, 2007, at 12:30 PM, justifiedright wrote: John you keep posting messages about me personally. Something wrong you want to talk to about, friend? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose one could filter all of your views of republicanism through this last message. On Dec 27, 2007, at 11:25 AM, justifiedright wrote: no --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: he can be both. ever heard of a republican who worships money before? On Dec 27, 2007, at 11:01 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: Transatlantic Murdoch watchers can tell you that all this is wishful thinking even without the demonic TV skills of Fox's supremo Roger Ailes. Less publicized than Murdoch's fierce political conservatism -- undoubtedly his private conviction -- is his readiness to turn on a dime when it's commercially expedient. That suppleness is one of the things that make him such a formidable opponent. Nothing distracts him from his business goals -- not ideology, not friendship, not some inconvenient promise, not even family. John this is not a criticism of you but rather the person who penned the above paragraph. In the SAME SENTENCE I'm told of Murdock's fierce political conservatism I'm also told of his readiness to turn on a dime. Er, which is it then? A Free Press means you we have to suffer fools such as this writer.
[AsburyPark] the next movie..
Tommy, you in? His appearance came as U.S. officials here struggled to cope with the immense policy implications of the assassination on relations with a nuclear-armed country that has received billions of dollars in American financial assistance and is an ally in the war on terrorism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush planned to speak with Musharraf as soon as it could be arranged Thursday. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Geena and the Five Forty Fives Tomorrow at The Saint
Holiday Celebration Please Come Join me At The Saint For A Great Holiday Party And Great Music This Friday Night December 28. Mash McClain 9pm Carl Chesna Band 9:45 Geena and the Five Forty Fives 10:30 Show Your Support And Have a Wild Time Hope to see you there. The Saint 601 Main St. Asbury Park, NJ, 07712 http://www.thesaintnj.com/ Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Love, Geena Cookman Ave
[AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing UBL. Will need an army massed along the border to hold back India though. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, you in? His appearance came as U.S. officials here struggled to cope with the immense policy implications of the assassination on relations with a nuclear-armed country that has received billions of dollars in American financial assistance and is an ally in the war on terrorism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush planned to speak with Musharraf as soon as it could be arranged Thursday. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
Islamo-fascist. Please define. On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing UBL. Will need an army massed along the border to hold back India though. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, you in? His appearance came as U.S. officials here struggled to cope with the immense policy implications of the assassination on relations with a nuclear-armed country that has received billions of dollars in American financial assistance and is an ally in the war on terrorism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush planned to speak with Musharraf as soon as it could be arranged Thursday.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
never mind. i found it: The latest big lie unveiled by Washington’s neoconservatives are the poisonous terms, Islamo-Fascists and Islamic Fascists. They are the new, hot buzzwords among America’s far right and Christian fundamentalists. President George W. Bush made a point last week of using Islamofacists when recently speaking of Hezbullah and Hamas – both, by the way, democratically elected parties. A Canadian government minister from the Conservative Party compared Lebanon’s Hezbullah to Nazi Germany. The term Islamofascist is utterly without meaning, but packed with emotional explosives. It is a propaganda creation worthy Dr. Goebbels, and the latest expression of the big lie technique being used by neocons in Washington’s propaganda war against its enemies in the Muslim World. This ugly term was probably first coined in Israel – as was the other hugely successful propaganda term, terrorism – to dehumanize and demonize opponents and deny them any rational political motivation, hence removing any need to deal with their grievances and demands. As the brilliant humanist Sir Peter Ustinov so succinctly put it, Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the terrorism of the rich. Both the terms terrorism and fascist have been so abused and overused that they have lost any original meaning. The best modern definition I’ve read of fascism comes in former Columbia University Professor Robert Paxton’s superb 2004 book, The Anatomy of Fascism. Paxton defines fascism’s essence, which he aptly terms its emotional lava as: 1. a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond reach of traditional solutions; 2. belief one’s group is the victim, justifying any action without legal or moral limits; 3. need for authority by a natural leader above the law, relying on the superiority of his instincts; 4. right of the chosen people to dominate others without legal or moral restraint; 5. fear of foreign contamination. Fascism demands a succession of wars, foreign conquests, and national threats to keep the nation in a state of fear, anxiety and patriotic hypertension. Those who disagree are branded ideological traitors. All successful fascists regimes, Paxton points out, allied themselves to traditional conservative parties, and to the military-industrial complex. Highly conservative and militaristic regimes are not necessarily fascist, says Paxton. True fascism requires relentless aggression abroad and a semi-religious adoration of the regime at home. None of the many Muslim groups opposing US-British control of the Mideast fit Paxton’s definitive analysis. The only truly fascist group ever to emerge in the Mideast was Lebanon’s Maronite Christian Phalange Party in the 1930’s which, ironically, became an ally of Israel’s rightwing in the 1980’s. On Dec 27, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Jersey Shore John wrote: Islamo-fascist. Please define. On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing UBL. Will need an army massed along the border to hold back India though. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, you in? His appearance came as U.S. officials here struggled to cope with the immense policy implications of the assassination on relations with a nuclear-armed country that has received billions of dollars in American financial assistance and is an ally in the war on terrorism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush planned to speak with Musharraf as soon as it could be arranged Thursday. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
I agree. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If only Pakistan had use of Intensive Interrogation techniques they would of learned of the impending assassination attempt and could have avoided it. On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing UBL. Will need an army massed along the border to hold back India though. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Tommy, you in? His appearance came as U.S. officials here struggled to cope with the immense policy implications of the assassination on relations with a nuclear-armed country that has received billions of dollars in American financial assistance and is an ally in the war on terrorism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush planned to speak with Musharraf as soon as it could be arranged Thursday. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
If only Pakistan had use of Intensive Interrogation techniques they would of learned of the impending assassination attempt and could have avoided it. On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing UBL. Will need an army massed along the border to hold back India though. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, you in? His appearance came as U.S. officials here struggled to cope with the immense policy implications of the assassination on relations with a nuclear-armed country that has received billions of dollars in American financial assistance and is an ally in the war on terrorism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush planned to speak with Musharraf as soon as it could be arranged Thursday. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
that was a joke, you savage. On Dec 27, 2007, at 2:14 PM, justifiedright wrote: I agree. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If only Pakistan had use of Intensive Interrogation techniques they would of learned of the impending assassination attempt and could have avoided it. On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing UBL. Will need an army massed along the border to hold back India though. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Tommy, you in? His appearance came as U.S. officials here struggled to cope with the immense policy implications of the assassination on relations with a nuclear-armed country that has received billions of dollars in American financial assistance and is an ally in the war on terrorism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush planned to speak with Musharraf as soon as it could be arranged Thursday.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
There are plenty of modern fascists. But to find them, you have to go to North America and Europe. These neo-fascists advocate preemptive attacks against all potential enemies, grabbing other nation’s resources, overthrowing uncooperative governments, military dominance of the world, hatred of Semites (Muslims in this case), adherence to biblical prophecies, hatred of all who fail to agree, intensified police controls, and curtailment of liberal political rights. They revel in flag-waving, patriotic melodrama, demonstrations of military power, and use the mantle of patriotism to feather the nests of the military-industrial complex, colluding legislators and lobbyists. They urge war to the death, fought, of course, by other people’s children. They have turned important sectors of the media into propaganda organs and brought the Pentagon largely under their control. Now, the neoconservatives are busy whipping up war against Syria and Iran to keep themselves in power and maintain the political dynamics of this 21st century revival of fascism. The real modern fascists are not in the Muslim World, but Washington. The neocons screaming fascist the loudest, are the true fascists themselves. It’s a pity that communist and leftist propaganda so debased the term neo-fascist that it has become almost meaningless. Because that is what we should be calling the so-called neocons, for that is what they really are. On Dec 27, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Jersey Shore John wrote: never mind. i found it: The latest big lie unveiled by Washington’s neoconservatives are the poisonous terms, Islamo-Fascists and Islamic Fascists. They are the new, hot buzzwords among America’s far right and Christian fundamentalists. President George W. Bush made a point last week of using Islamofacists when recently speaking of Hezbullah and Hamas – both, by the way, democratically elected parties. A Canadian government minister from the Conservative Party compared Lebanon’s Hezbullah to Nazi Germany. The term Islamofascist is utterly without meaning, but packed with emotional explosives. It is a propaganda creation worthy Dr. Goebbels, and the latest expression of the big lie technique being used by neocons in Washington’s propaganda war against its enemies in the Muslim World. This ugly term was probably first coined in Israel – as was the other hugely successful propaganda term, terrorism – to dehumanize and demonize opponents and deny them any rational political motivation, hence removing any need to deal with their grievances and demands. As the brilliant humanist Sir Peter Ustinov so succinctly put it, Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the terrorism of the rich. Both the terms terrorism and fascist have been so abused and overused that they have lost any original meaning. The best modern definition I’ve read of fascism comes in former Columbia University Professor Robert Paxton’s superb 2004 book, The Anatomy of Fascism. Paxton defines fascism’s essence, which he aptly terms its emotional lava as: 1. a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond reach of traditional solutions; 2. belief one’s group is the victim, justifying any action without legal or moral limits; 3. need for authority by a natural leader above the law, relying on the superiority of his instincts; 4. right of the chosen people to dominate others without legal or moral restraint; 5. fear of foreign contamination. Fascism demands a succession of wars, foreign conquests, and national threats to keep the nation in a state of fear, anxiety and patriotic hypertension. Those who disagree are branded ideological traitors. All successful fascists regimes, Paxton points out, allied themselves to traditional conservative parties, and to the military-industrial complex. Highly conservative and militaristic regimes are not necessarily fascist, says Paxton. True fascism requires relentless aggression abroad and a semi-religious adoration of the regime at home. None of the many Muslim groups opposing US-British control of the Mideast fit Paxton’s definitive analysis. The only truly fascist group ever to emerge in the Mideast was Lebanon’s Maronite Christian Phalange Party in the 1930’s which, ironically, became an ally of Israel’s rightwing in the 1980’s. On Dec 27, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Jersey Shore John wrote: Islamo-fascist. Please define. On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing UBL. Will need an army massed along the border to hold back India
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
Our tax money, well spent! After the United States has spent more than $5 billion in a largely failed effort to bolster the Pakistani military effort against Al Qaeda and the Taliban, some American officials now acknowledge that there were too few controls over the money. The strategy to improve the Pakistani military, they said, needs to be completely revamped. In interviews in Islamabad and Washington, Bush administration and military officials said they believed that much of the American money was not making its way to frontline Pakistani units. Money has been diverted to help finance weapons systems designed to counter India, not Al Qaeda or the Taliban, the officials said, adding that the United States has paid tens of millions of dollars in inflated Pakistani reimbursement claims for fuel, ammunition and other costs. I personally believe there is exaggeration and inflation, said a senior American military official who has reviewed the program, referring to Pakistani requests for reimbursement. Then, I point back to the United States and say we didn't have to give them money this way. Pakistani officials say they are incensed at what they see as American ingratitude for Pakistani counterterrorism efforts that have left about 1,000 Pakistani soldiers and police officers dead. They deny that any overcharging has occurred. The $5 billion was provided through a program known as Coalition Support Funds, which reimburses Pakistan for conducting military operations to fight terrorism. Under a separate program, Pakistan receives $300 million per year in traditional American military financing that pays for equipment and training. Civilian opponents of President Pervez Musharraf say he used the reimbursements to prop up his government. One European diplomat in Islamabad said the United States should have been more cautious with its aid. On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing UBL. Will need an army massed along the border to hold back India though. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, you in? His appearance came as U.S. officials here struggled to cope with the immense policy implications of the assassination on relations with a nuclear-armed country that has received billions of dollars in American financial assistance and is an ally in the war on terrorism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush planned to speak with Musharraf as soon as it could be arranged Thursday.
[AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our tax money, well spent! After the United States has spent more than $5 billion in a largely failed effort to bolster the... Kind of like school spending on Abbotts and SCC. Sorry. Back to the war. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Blaze photo posted
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Re: [AsburyPark] Bush associates still consolidate their hold on US media
Why don't all of the liberals I'm sorry progressives, get together and purchase a group of TV or radio stations? Could it be they think the government should give just give the stations to them. If you have the green you can buy whatever it is you like. Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Longtime associates of President George W. Bush are consolidating their hold on American media with a string of recent purchases. Conservative media mogul Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. announced of late the sale of 8 of its US television stations to a private equity firm -- Oak Hill Partners -- for an estimated $1.1 billion dollars that is expected to close sometime in 2008. The deal leaves Murdoch with another 27 television stations in major US cities such as Boston, New York City, and Los Angeles, as well as The New York Post, a controlling interest in BSkyB, movie studio 20th Century Fox, and Wall Street Journal publisher Dow Jones Co Inc. Oak Hill Partners lead investor Robert M. Bass, a longtime associate of George W. Bush, is also the founder of Ft. Worth, Texas-based Bass Brothers Enterprises. Oak Hill issued a statement announcing the stations would be jointly managed by a broadcast holding company, Local TV, that was created by Oak Hill for the purpose of purchasing 9 other television stations from The New York Times previously this year. Conservative ties for the Bass Brothers Robert Bass, along with his brothers Lee, Ed, and Sid, from a wealthy Texas oil family, all attended Yale University where Ed was a classmate and friend of George W. Bush. The brothers later became Bush's number 5 career patrons, as well as business dealings with now President Bush. Robert Bass is also the founder and chairman of Aerion Corporation, which has been the recipient of several very lucrative DARPA contracts for the development of supersonic laminar flow wing studies, along with research and test flights. News Corp. had originally intended to sell off 9 of its US television stations; however Bass's subsidiary, Local TV, could not purchase WHBQ-TV in Memphis, Tennessee as it had previously purchased CBS affiliate WREG-TV: Federal Communications Commission rules allow market duopolies but only one of the two stations under a single owner can be among the market's four top-rated stations there and there must be least eight unique station owners in the market once the duopoly is formed. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
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According to Australian journalist John Pilger, in this year, “CIA Director William Casey [gives] his backing to a plan put forward by Pakistan’s intelligence agency, the ISI, to recruit people from around the world to join the Afghan jihad. More than 100,000 Islamic militants [are] trained in Pakistan between 1986 and 1992, in camps overseen by the CIA and [the British intelligence agency] MI6, with the [British special forces unit] SAS training future al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters in bomb-making and other black arts. Their leaders [are] trained at a CIA camp in Virginia.” [GUARDIAN, 9/20/2003] Eventually, around 35,000 Muslim radicals from 43 Islamic countries will fight with the Afghan mujaheddin. Tens of thousands more will study in the hundreds of new madrassas (Islamic schools) funded by the ISI and CIA in Pakistan. Their main logistical base is in the Pakistani city of Peshawar. [WASHINGTON POST, 7/19/1992; PITTSBURGH POST-GAZETTE, 9/23/2001] Ironically, although many are trained, it seems only a small percentage actually take part fight in serious fighting in Afghanistan, so their impact on the war is small. [NEW YORKER, 9/9/2002] Richard Murphy, assistant secretary of state for Near East and South Asian relations during the Reagan administration, will later say, “We did spawn a monster in Afghanistan. Once the Soviets were gone [the people trained and/or funded by the US] were looking around for other targets, and Osama bin Laden has settled on the United States as the source of all evil. Irony? Irony is all over the place.” [ASSOCIATED PRESS, 8/23/1998] In the late 1980s, Pakistani President Benazir Bhutto, feeling the mujaheddin network has grown too strong, tells President George H. W. Bush, “You are creating a Frankenstein.” However, the warning goes unheeded. [NEWSWEEK, 10/1/2001] On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing UBL. Will need an army massed along the border to hold back India though. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, you in? His appearance came as U.S. officials here struggled to cope with the immense policy implications of the assassination on relations with a nuclear-armed country that has received billions of dollars in American financial assistance and is an ally in the war on terrorism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush planned to speak with Musharraf as soon as it could be arranged Thursday.
Re: [AsburyPark] Bush associates still consolidate their hold on US media
don't know if you've noticed, but american culture is liberal. On Dec 27, 2007, at 2:55 PM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Why don't all of the liberals I'm sorry progressives, get together and purchase a group of TV or radio stations? Could it be they think the government should give just give the stations to them. If you have the green you can buy whatever it is you like. Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Longtime associates of President George W. Bush are consolidating their hold on American media with a string of recent purchases. Conservative media mogul Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. announced of latethe sale of 8 of its US television stations to a private equity firm -- Oak Hill Partners -- for an estimated $1.1 billion dollars that is expected to close sometime in 2008. The deal leaves Murdoch with another 27 television stations in major US cities such as Boston, New York City, and Los Angeles, as well as The New York Post, a controlling interest in BSkyB, movie studio 20th Century Fox, and Wall Street Journal publisher Dow Jones Co Inc. Oak Hill Partners lead investor Robert M. Bass, a longtime associate of George W. Bush, is also the founder of Ft. Worth, Texas-based Bass Brothers Enterprises. Oak Hill issued a statement announcing the stations would be jointly managed by a broadcast holding company, Local TV, that was created by Oak Hill for the purpose of purchasing 9 other television stations from The New York Times previously this year. Conservative ties for the Bass Brothers Robert Bass, along with his brothers Lee, Ed, and Sid, from a wealthy Texas oil family, all attended Yale University where Ed was a classmate and friend of George W. Bush. The brothers later became Bush's number 5 career patrons, as well as business dealings with now President Bush. Robert Bass is also the founder and chairman of Aerion Corporation, which has been the recipient of several very lucrative DARPA contracts for the development of supersonic laminar flow wing studies, along with research and test flights. News Corp. had originally intended to sell off 9 of its US television stations; however Bass's subsidiary, Local TV, could not purchase WHBQ-TV in Memphis, Tennessee as it had previously purchased CBS affiliate WREG-TV: Federal Communications Commission rules allow market duopolies but only one of the two stations under a single owner can be among the market's four top-rated stations there and there must be least eight unique station owners in the market once the duopoly is formed. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
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one of the nukes we sold, made and taught them how to use, you mean? On Dec 27, 2007, at 2:46 PM, Mike Hemeon wrote: If one of their nukes finds its way over here no carousel for AP. Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Islamo-fascist. Please define. On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing UBL. Will need an army massed along the border to hold back India though. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, you in? His appearance came as U.S. officials here struggled to cope with the immense policy implications of the assassination on relations with a nuclear-armed country that has received billions of dollars in American financial assistance and is an ally in the war on terrorism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush planned to speak with Musharraf as soon as it could be arranged Thursday. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bush associates still consolidate their hold on US media
Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no. On Dec 27, 2007, at 12:30 PM, justifiedright wrote: John you keep posting messages about me personally. Something wrong you want to talk to about, friend? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose one could filter all of your views of republicanism through this last message. On Dec 27, 2007, at 11:25 AM, justifiedright wrote: no --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: he can be both. ever heard of a republican who worships money before? On Dec 27, 2007, at 11:01 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: Transatlantic Murdoch watchers can tell you that all this is wishful thinking even without the demonic TV skills of Fox's supremo Roger Ailes. Less publicized than Murdoch's fierce political conservatism -- undoubtedly his private conviction -- is his readiness to turn on a dime when it's commercially expedient. That suppleness is one of the things that make him such a formidable opponent. Nothing distracts him from his business goals -- not ideology, not friendship, not some inconvenient promise, not even family. John this is not a criticism of you but rather the person who penned the above paragraph. In the SAME SENTENCE I'm told of Murdock's fierce political conservatism I'm also told of his readiness to turn on a dime. Er, which is it then? A Free Press means you we have to suffer fools such as this writer. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
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Was the assasination of Bhutto Bush's fault? Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are plenty of modern fascists. But to find them, you have to go to North America and Europe. These neo-fascists advocate preemptive attacks against all potential enemies, grabbing other nations resources, overthrowing uncooperative governments, military dominance of the world, hatred of Semites (Muslims in this case), adherence to biblical prophecies, hatred of all who fail to agree, intensified police controls, and curtailment of liberal political rights. They revel in flag-waving, patriotic melodrama, demonstrations of military power, and use the mantle of patriotism to feather the nests of the military-industrial complex, colluding legislators and lobbyists. They urge war to the death, fought, of course, by other peoples children. They have turned important sectors of the media into propaganda organs and brought the Pentagon largely under their control. Now, the neoconservatives are busy whipping up war against Syria and Iran to keep themselves in power and maintain the political dynamics of this 21st century revival of fascism. The real modern fascists are not in the Muslim World, but Washington. The neocons screaming fascist the loudest, are the true fascists themselves. Its a pity that communist and leftist propaganda so debased the term neo-fascist that it has become almost meaningless. Because that is what we should be calling the so-called neocons, for that is what they really are. On Dec 27, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Jersey Shore John wrote: never mind. i found it: The latest big lie unveiled by Washingtons neoconservatives are the poisonous terms, Islamo-Fascists and Islamic Fascists. They are the new, hot buzzwords among Americas far right and Christian fundamentalists. President George W. Bush made a point last week of using Islamofacists when recently speaking of Hezbullah and Hamas both, by the way, democratically elected parties. A Canadian government minister from the Conservative Party compared Lebanons Hezbullah to Nazi Germany. The term Islamofascist is utterly without meaning, but packed with emotional explosives. It is a propaganda creation worthy Dr. Goebbels, and the latest expression of the big lie technique being used by neocons in Washingtons propaganda war against its enemies in the Muslim World. This ugly term was probably first coined in Israel as was the other hugely successful propaganda term, terrorism to dehumanize and demonize opponents and deny them any rational political motivation, hence removing any need to deal with their grievances and demands. As the brilliant humanist Sir Peter Ustinov so succinctly put it, Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the terrorism of the rich. Both the terms terrorism and fascist have been so abused and overused that they have lost any original meaning. The best modern definition Ive read of fascism comes in former Columbia University Professor Robert Paxtons superb 2004 book, The Anatomy of Fascism. Paxton defines fascisms essence, which he aptly terms its emotional lava as: 1. a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond reach of traditional solutions; 2. belief ones group is the victim, justifying any action without legal or moral limits; 3. need for authority by a natural leader above the law, relying on the superiority of his instincts; 4. right of the chosen people to dominate others without legal or moral restraint; 5. fear of foreign contamination. Fascism demands a succession of wars, foreign conquests, and national threats to keep the nation in a state of fear, anxiety and patriotic hypertension. Those who disagree are branded ideological traitors. All successful fascists regimes, Paxton points out, allied themselves to traditional conservative parties, and to the military-industrial complex. Highly conservative and militaristic regimes are not necessarily fascist, says Paxton. True fascism requires relentless aggression abroad and a semi-religious adoration of the regime at home. None of the many Muslim groups opposing US-British control of the Mideast fit Paxtons definitive analysis. The only truly fascist group ever to emerge in the Mideast was Lebanons Maronite Christian Phalange Party in the 1930s which, ironically, became an ally of Israels rightwing in the 1980s. On Dec 27, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Jersey Shore John wrote: Islamo-fascist. Please define. On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
They want to kill anyone that doesn't follow the belief in their particular fantasy. You really have to get out of AP. Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: never mind. i found it: The latest big lie unveiled by Washingtons neoconservatives are the poisonous terms, Islamo-Fascists and Islamic Fascists. They are the new, hot buzzwords among Americas far right and Christian fundamentalists. President George W. Bush made a point last week of using Islamofacists when recently speaking of Hezbullah and Hamas both, by the way, democratically elected parties. A Canadian government minister from the Conservative Party compared Lebanons Hezbullah to Nazi Germany. The term Islamofascist is utterly without meaning, but packed with emotional explosives. It is a propaganda creation worthy Dr. Goebbels, and the latest expression of the big lie technique being used by neocons in Washingtons propaganda war against its enemies in the Muslim World. This ugly term was probably first coined in Israel as was the other hugely successful propaganda term, terrorism to dehumanize and demonize opponents and deny them any rational political motivation, hence removing any need to deal with their grievances and demands. As the brilliant humanist Sir Peter Ustinov so succinctly put it, Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the terrorism of the rich. Both the terms terrorism and fascist have been so abused and overused that they have lost any original meaning. The best modern definition Ive read of fascism comes in former Columbia University Professor Robert Paxtons superb 2004 book, The Anatomy of Fascism. Paxton defines fascisms essence, which he aptly terms its emotional lava as: 1. a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond reach of traditional solutions; 2. belief ones group is the victim, justifying any action without legal or moral limits; 3. need for authority by a natural leader above the law, relying on the superiority of his instincts; 4. right of the chosen people to dominate others without legal or moral restraint; 5. fear of foreign contamination. Fascism demands a succession of wars, foreign conquests, and national threats to keep the nation in a state of fear, anxiety and patriotic hypertension. Those who disagree are branded ideological traitors. All successful fascists regimes, Paxton points out, allied themselves to traditional conservative parties, and to the military-industrial complex. Highly conservative and militaristic regimes are not necessarily fascist, says Paxton. True fascism requires relentless aggression abroad and a semi-religious adoration of the regime at home. None of the many Muslim groups opposing US-British control of the Mideast fit Paxtons definitive analysis. The only truly fascist group ever to emerge in the Mideast was Lebanons Maronite Christian Phalange Party in the 1930s which, ironically, became an ally of Israels rightwing in the 1980s. On Dec 27, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Jersey Shore John wrote: Islamo-fascist. Please define. On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing UBL. Will need an army massed along the border to hold back India though. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf wrote: Tommy, you in? His appearance came as U.S. officials here struggled to cope with the immense policy implications of the assassination on relations with a nuclear-armed country that has received billions of dollars in American financial assistance and is an ally in the war on terrorism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush planned to speak with Musharraf as soon as it could be arranged Thursday. Yahoo! Groups Links - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
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If one of their nukes finds its way over here no carousel for AP. Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Islamo-fascist. Please define. On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing UBL. Will need an army massed along the border to hold back India though. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, you in? His appearance came as U.S. officials here struggled to cope with the immense policy implications of the assassination on relations with a nuclear-armed country that has received billions of dollars in American financial assistance and is an ally in the war on terrorism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush planned to speak with Musharraf as soon as it could be arranged Thursday. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
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Why? You know sumfin? On Dec 27, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Was the assasination of Bhutto Bush's fault? Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are plenty of modern fascists. But to find them, you have to go to North America and Europe. These neo-fascists advocate preemptive attacks against all potential enemies, grabbing other nation’s resources, overthrowing uncooperative governments, military dominance of the world, hatred of Semites (Muslims in this case), adherence to biblical prophecies, hatred of all who fail to agree, intensified police controls, and curtailment of liberal political rights. They revel in flag-waving, patriotic melodrama, demonstrations of military power, and use the mantle of patriotism to feather the nests of the military-industrial complex, colluding legislators and lobbyists. They urge war to the death, fought, of course, by other people’s children. They have turned important sectors of the media into propaganda organs and brought the Pentagon largely under their control. Now, the neoconservatives are busy whipping up war against Syria and Iran to keep themselves in power and maintain the political dynamics of this 21st century revival of fascism. The real modern fascists are not in the Muslim World, but Washington. The neocons screaming fascist the loudest, are the true fascists themselves. It’s a pity that communist and leftist propaganda so debased the term neo-fascist that it has become almost meaningless. Because that is what we should be calling the so-called neocons, for that is what they really are. On Dec 27, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Jersey Shore John wrote: never mind. i found it: The latest big lie unveiled by Washington’s neoconservatives are the poisonous terms, Islamo-Fascists and Islamic Fascists. They are the new, hot buzzwords among America’s far right and Christian fundamentalists. President George W. Bush made a point last week of using Islamofacists when recently speaking of Hezbullah and Hamas – both, by the way, democratically elected parties. A Canadian government minister from the Conservative Party compared Lebanon’s Hezbullah to Nazi Germany. The term Islamofascist is utterly without meaning, but packed with emotional explosives. It is a propaganda creation worthy Dr. Goebbels, and the latest expression of the big lie technique being used by neocons in Washington’s propaganda war against its enemies in the Muslim World. This ugly term was probably first coined in Israel – as was the other hugely successful propaganda term, terrorism – to dehumanize and demonize opponents and deny them any rational political motivation, hence removing any need to deal with their grievances and demands. As the brilliant humanist Sir Peter Ustinov so succinctly put it, Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the terrorism of the rich. Both the terms terrorism and fascist have been so abused and overused that they have lost any original meaning. The best modern definition I’ve read of fascism comes in former Columbia University Professor Robert Paxton’s superb 2004 book, The Anatomy of Fascism. Paxton defines fascism’s essence, which he aptly terms its emotional lava as: 1. a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond reach of traditional solutions; 2. belief one’s group is the victim, justifying any action without legal or moral limits; 3. need for authority by a natural leader above the law, relying on the superiority of his instincts; 4. right of the chosen people to dominate others without legal or moral restraint; 5. fear of foreign contamination. Fascism demands a succession of wars, foreign conquests, and national threats to keep the nation in a state of fear, anxiety and patriotic hypertension. Those who disagree are branded ideological traitors. All successful fascists regimes, Paxton points out, allied themselves to traditional conservative parties, and to the military-industrial complex. Highly conservative and militaristic regimes are not necessarily fascist, says Paxton. True fascism requires relentless aggression abroad and a semi-religious adoration of the regime at home. None of the many Muslim groups opposing US-British control of the Mideast fit Paxton’s definitive analysis. The only truly fascist group ever to emerge in the Mideast was Lebanon’s Maronite Christian Phalange Party in the 1930’s which, ironically, became an ally of Israel’s rightwing in the 1980’s. On Dec 27, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Jersey Shore John wrote: Islamo-fascist. Please define. On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and
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huh? you make-a no sense, loochie. On Dec 27, 2007, at 2:44 PM, Mike Hemeon wrote: They want to kill anyone that doesn't follow the belief in their particular fantasy. You really have to get out of AP. Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: never mind. i found it: The latest big lie unveiled by Washington’s neoconservatives are the poisonous terms, Islamo-Fascists and Islamic Fascists. They are the new, hot buzzwords among America’s far right and Christian fundamentalists. President George W. Bush made a point last week of using Islamofacists when recently speaking of Hezbullah and Hamas – both, by the way, democratically elected parties. A Canadian government minister from the Conservative Party compared Lebanon’s Hezbullah to Nazi Germany. The term Islamofascist is utterly without meaning, but packed with emotional explosives. It is a propaganda creation worthy Dr. Goebbels, and the latest expression of the big lie technique being used by neocons in Washington’s propaganda war against its enemies in the Muslim World. This ugly term was probably first coined in Israel – as was the other hugely successful propaganda term, terrorism – to dehumanize and demonize opponents and deny them any rational political motivation, hence removing any need to deal with their grievances and demands. As the brilliant humanist Sir Peter Ustinov so succinctly put it, Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the terrorism of the rich. Both the terms terrorism and fascist have been so abused and overused that they have lost any original meaning. The best modern definition I’ve read of fascism comes in former Columbia University Professor Robert Paxton’s superb 2004 book, The Anatomy of Fascism. Paxton defines fascism’s essence, which he aptly terms its emotional lava as: 1. a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond reach of traditional solutions; 2. belief one’s group is the victim, justifying any action without legal or moral limits; 3. need for authority by a natural leader above the law, relying on the superiority of his instincts; 4. right of the chosen people to dominate others without legal or moral restraint; 5. fear of foreign contamination. Fascism demands a succession of wars, foreign conquests, and national threats to keep the nation in a state of fear, anxiety and patriotic hypertension. Those who disagree are branded ideological traitors. All successful fascists regimes, Paxton points out, allied themselves to traditional conservative parties, and to the military-industrial complex. Highly conservative and militaristic regimes are not necessarily fascist, says Paxton. True fascism requires relentless aggression abroad and a semi-religious adoration of the regime at home. None of the many Muslim groups opposing US-British control of the Mideast fit Paxton’s definitive analysis. The only truly fascist group ever to emerge in the Mideast was Lebanon’s Maronite Christian Phalange Party in the 1930’s which, ironically, became an ally of Israel’s rightwing in the 1980’s. On Dec 27, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Jersey Shore John wrote: Islamo-fascist. Please define. On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing UBL. Will need an army massed along the border to hold back India though. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf wrote: Tommy, you in? His appearance came as U.S. officials here struggled to cope with the immense policy implications of the assassination on relations with a nuclear-armed country that has received billions of dollars in American financial assistance and is an ally in the war on terrorism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush planned to speak with Musharraf as soon as it could be arranged Thursday. Yahoo! Groups Links Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
[AsburyPark] Heckuva job, Condi!
The NYT reported that US Secretary of State Condi Rice tried to fix Musharraf's subsequent dwindling legitimacy by arranging for Benazir to return to Pakistan to run for prime minister, with Musharraf agreeing to resign from the military and become a civilian president. When the supreme court seemed likely to interfere with his remaining president, he arrested the justices, dismissed them, and replaced them with more pliant jurists. This move threatened to scuttle the Rice Plan, since Benazir now faced the prospect of serving a dictator as his grand vizier, rather than being a proper prime minister. With Benazir's assassination, the Rice Plan is in tatters and Bush administration policy toward Pakistan and Afghanistan is tottering. On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing UBL. Will need an army massed along the border to hold back India though. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, you in? His appearance came as U.S. officials here struggled to cope with the immense policy implications of the assassination on relations with a nuclear-armed country that has received billions of dollars in American financial assistance and is an ally in the war on terrorism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush planned to speak with Musharraf as soon as it could be arranged Thursday.
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I stopped reading at the 5th word when I got to John Pilger. Nice try, John. Anymore Chaves loving America haters you want to quote? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Australian journalist John Pilger, in this year, CIA Director William Casey [gives] his backing to a plan put forward by Pakistan's intelligence agency, the ISI, to recruit people from around the world to join the Afghan jihad. More than 100,000 Islamic militants [are] trained in Pakistan between 1986 and 1992, in camps overseen by the CIA and [the British intelligence agency] MI6, with the [British special forces unit] SAS training future al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters in bomb-making and other black arts. Their leaders [are] trained at a CIA camp in Virginia. [GUARDIAN, 9/20/2003] Eventually, around 35,000 Muslim radicals from 43 Islamic countries will fight with the Afghan mujaheddin. Tens of thousands more will study in the hundreds of new madrassas (Islamic schools) funded by the ISI and CIA in Pakistan. Their main logistical base is in the Pakistani city of Peshawar. [WASHINGTON POST, 7/19/1992; PITTSBURGH POST-GAZETTE, 9/23/2001] Ironically, although many are trained, it seems only a small percentage actually take part fight in serious fighting in Afghanistan, so their impact on the war is small. [NEW YORKER, 9/9/2002] Richard Murphy, assistant secretary of state for Near East and South Asian relations during the Reagan administration, will later say, We did spawn a monster in Afghanistan. Once the Soviets were gone [the people trained and/or funded by the US] were looking around for other targets, and Osama bin Laden has settled on the United States as the source of all evil. Irony? Irony is all over the place. [ASSOCIATED PRESS, 8/23/1998] In the late 1980s, Pakistani President Benazir Bhutto, feeling the mujaheddin network has grown too strong, tells President George H. W. Bush, You are creating a Frankenstein. However, the warning goes unheeded. [NEWSWEEK, 10/1/2001] On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing UBL. Will need an army massed along the border to hold back India though. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Tommy, you in? His appearance came as U.S. officials here struggled to cope with the immense policy implications of the assassination on relations with a nuclear-armed country that has received billions of dollars in American financial assistance and is an ally in the war on terrorism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush planned to speak with Musharraf as soon as it could be arranged Thursday. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: (unknown)
You continue to try to insult me personally today. Time to move on. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stop when I hit the word justifiedright nice try, tommy boy. Any more Constitution hating NeoCons you want to quote? On Dec 27, 2007, at 3:33 PM, justifiedright wrote: I stopped reading at the 5th word when I got to John Pilger. Nice try, John. Anymore Chaves loving America haters you want to quote? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: According to Australian journalist John Pilger, in this year, CIA Director William Casey [gives] his backing to a plan put forward by Pakistan's intelligence agency, the ISI, to recruit people from around the world to join the Afghan jihad. More than 100,000 Islamic militants [are] trained in Pakistan between 1986 and 1992, in camps overseen by the CIA and [the British intelligence agency] MI6, with the [British special forces unit] SAS training future al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters in bomb-making and other black arts. Their leaders [are] trained at a CIA camp in Virginia. [GUARDIAN, 9/20/2003] Eventually, around 35,000 Muslim radicals from 43 Islamic countries will fight with the Afghan mujaheddin. Tens of thousands more will study in the hundreds of new madrassas (Islamic schools) funded by the ISI and CIA in Pakistan. Their main logistical base is in the Pakistani city of Peshawar. [WASHINGTON POST, 7/19/1992; PITTSBURGH POST-GAZETTE, 9/23/2001] Ironically, although many are trained, it seems only a small percentage actually take part fight in serious fighting in Afghanistan, so their impact on the war is small. [NEW YORKER, 9/9/2002] Richard Murphy, assistant secretary of state for Near East and South Asian relations during the Reagan administration, will later say, We did spawn a monster in Afghanistan. Once the Soviets were gone [the people trained and/or funded by the US] were looking around for other targets, and Osama bin Laden has settled on the United States as the source of all evil. Irony? Irony is all over the place. [ASSOCIATED PRESS, 8/23/1998] In the late 1980s, Pakistani President Benazir Bhutto, feeling the mujaheddin network has grown too strong, tells President George H. W. Bush, You are creating a Frankenstein. However, the warning goes unheeded. [NEWSWEEK, 10/1/2001] On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing UBL. Will need an army massed along the border to hold back India though. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Tommy, you in? His appearance came as U.S. officials here struggled to cope with the immense policy implications of the assassination on relations with a nuclear-armed country that has received billions of dollars in American financial assistance and is an ally in the war on terrorism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush planned to speak with Musharraf as soon as it could be arranged Thursday. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Politics of Personal Destruction: Anatomy of a Smear
Grasping at Straws (G.A.S.) 1999 Publication of The Trust: The Private and Powerful Family Behind the New York Times. Authors Tifft and Jones had previously unavailable access to members of the Sulberger family and produced the most tell all book to date. In one of their interviews, Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., in a self-deprecating moment, tells an anecdote about a question his father asked him in 1971, when he was 20 years old: the dumbest question I've ever heard in my life At the end of The Trust, the authors imply their general favorability, despite some of the dirty laindry when they quote writer Talese's abiding 30-year-old hope: ''Where can people [go] who have values and a sense of right and wrong, of standards. . . I think today, the Sulzberger family and The New York Times [are] our only hope.'' Business Week called it one of the top 10 books of 1999, and it was named a National Book Critics' Award finalist. === 2001 How I Accidentally Joined the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (and Found Inner Peace) is written by neo-con Harry Stein who lifted that one paragraph by Sulberger from the 1999 Trust book. = 2003 Stanley Kurtz writes in the conservative The National Review: The problem is Arthur Sulzberger Jr., and he's not going away. In his wonderful book, How I Accidentally Joined the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (and Found Inner Peace), Harry Stein lays out the disturbing facts about Pinch Sulzberger. (Sulzberger's father was nicknamed Punch, and the none too flattering nickname for Junior is Pinch.) Pinch was a political activist in the Sixties, and was twice arrested in anti-Vietnam protests. One day, the elder Sulzberger asked his son what Pinch calls, the dumbest question I've ever heard in my life. If an American soldier runs into a North Vietnamese soldier, which would you like to see get shot? Young Arthur answered, I would want to see the American get shot. It's the other guy's country. The question gets two hits today on Google. The answer get 6 hits. Kurtz mistakenly identifies Sulzberger as the owner of the NYT, but it is a publicly owned company. \ 12/23/2007, 10:18:32P.M.justifiedright writes: I'll take Reverend Moon over Salzburger, the owner of the NY Times anyday, particularly since Salzburger said this: Pinch was a political activist in the Sixties, and was twice arrested in anti-Vietnam protests. One day, the elder Sulzberger asked his son what Pinch calls, the dumbest question I've ever heard in my life. If an American soldier runs into a North Vietnamese soldier, which would you like to see get shot? Young Arthur answered, I would want to see the American get shot. It's the other guy's country. You want to see an American soldier get shot? Treason. What a bastard. I'll take Moon. == Moon's controversial views regarding church and state, Jews and the Holocaust, homosexuality, and the role of women are documented at Wiki. Cherry picking to suit one's point of point? Politics of Personal Discussion? Can I call the pope a fascist because he was a member of Hitler Youth when he was 14 and rejoined the Nazis after the seminary even though he could have been exempt as a member of the clergy. What about the Christians condoning slavery as being consistent by the Bible. And the Vatican's Concordat with Hitler? Wondering why more don't consider General / President Eisenhower's warnings, at the top of his game and experience, about the military Industrial complex back in 1961. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdrGKwkmxAU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdrGKwkmxAU In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together. Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961 http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html == Happy Third Day of Christmas and Second Day of Kwanzaa. Peace to men and women of Good Will, Mario
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I stop when I hit the word justifiedright nice try, tommy boy. Any more Constitution hating NeoCons you want to quote? On Dec 27, 2007, at 3:33 PM, justifiedright wrote: I stopped reading at the 5th word when I got to John Pilger. Nice try, John. Anymore Chaves loving America haters you want to quote? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Australian journalist John Pilger, in this year, CIA Director William Casey [gives] his backing to a plan put forward by Pakistan's intelligence agency, the ISI, to recruit people from around the world to join the Afghan jihad. More than 100,000 Islamic militants [are] trained in Pakistan between 1986 and 1992, in camps overseen by the CIA and [the British intelligence agency] MI6, with the [British special forces unit] SAS training future al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters in bomb-making and other black arts. Their leaders [are] trained at a CIA camp in Virginia. [GUARDIAN, 9/20/2003] Eventually, around 35,000 Muslim radicals from 43 Islamic countries will fight with the Afghan mujaheddin. Tens of thousands more will study in the hundreds of new madrassas (Islamic schools) funded by the ISI and CIA in Pakistan. Their main logistical base is in the Pakistani city of Peshawar. [WASHINGTON POST, 7/19/1992; PITTSBURGH POST-GAZETTE, 9/23/2001] Ironically, although many are trained, it seems only a small percentage actually take part fight in serious fighting in Afghanistan, so their impact on the war is small. [NEW YORKER, 9/9/2002] Richard Murphy, assistant secretary of state for Near East and South Asian relations during the Reagan administration, will later say, We did spawn a monster in Afghanistan. Once the Soviets were gone [the people trained and/or funded by the US] were looking around for other targets, and Osama bin Laden has settled on the United States as the source of all evil. Irony? Irony is all over the place. [ASSOCIATED PRESS, 8/23/1998] In the late 1980s, Pakistani President Benazir Bhutto, feeling the mujaheddin network has grown too strong, tells President George H. W. Bush, You are creating a Frankenstein. However, the warning goes unheeded. [NEWSWEEK, 10/1/2001] On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing UBL. Will need an army massed along the border to hold back India though. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Tommy, you in? His appearance came as U.S. officials here struggled to cope with the immense policy implications of the assassination on relations with a nuclear-armed country that has received billions of dollars in American financial assistance and is an ally in the war on terrorism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush planned to speak with Musharraf as soon as it could be arranged Thursday.
[AsburyPark] Re: (unknown)
Can I change the subject? Tommy, when's the next cool astronomical event coming up that I hopefully won't sleep thru :) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You continue to try to insult me personally today. Time to move on. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: I stop when I hit the word justifiedright nice try, tommy boy. Any more Constitution hating NeoCons you want to quote? On Dec 27, 2007, at 3:33 PM, justifiedright wrote: I stopped reading at the 5th word when I got to John Pilger. Nice try, John. Anymore Chaves loving America haters you want to quote? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: According to Australian journalist John Pilger, in this year, CIA Director William Casey [gives] his backing to a plan put forward by Pakistan's intelligence agency, the ISI, to recruit people from around the world to join the Afghan jihad. More than 100,000 Islamic militants [are] trained in Pakistan between 1986 and 1992, in camps overseen by the CIA and [the British intelligence agency] MI6, with the [British special forces unit] SAS training future al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters in bomb-making and other black arts. Their leaders [are] trained at a CIA camp in Virginia. [GUARDIAN, 9/20/2003] Eventually, around 35,000 Muslim radicals from 43 Islamic countries will fight with the Afghan mujaheddin. Tens of thousands more will study in the hundreds of new madrassas (Islamic schools) funded by the ISI and CIA in Pakistan. Their main logistical base is in the Pakistani city of Peshawar. [WASHINGTON POST, 7/19/1992; PITTSBURGH POST-GAZETTE, 9/23/2001] Ironically, although many are trained, it seems only a small percentage actually take part fight in serious fighting in Afghanistan, so their impact on the war is small. [NEW YORKER, 9/9/2002] Richard Murphy, assistant secretary of state for Near East and South Asian relations during the Reagan administration, will later say, We did spawn a monster in Afghanistan. Once the Soviets were gone [the people trained and/or funded by the US] were looking around for other targets, and Osama bin Laden has settled on the United States as the source of all evil. Irony? Irony is all over the place. [ASSOCIATED PRESS, 8/23/1998] In the late 1980s, Pakistani President Benazir Bhutto, feeling the mujaheddin network has grown too strong, tells President George H. W. Bush, You are creating a Frankenstein. However, the warning goes unheeded. [NEWSWEEK, 10/1/2001] On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:50 PM, justifiedright wrote: Scary stuff in Pakistan. Musharef seems to be the old enemy of my enemy is my friend. Whose guarding the nukes today? We had decided to not chase Bin Laden into the Tribal areas uncontrolled by Musharef because it was alleged that if we did the delacate balance of power could be upset. Seems pretty upset now. Perhaps its time to go in and destroy that area. Nothing good can come from those Islamo-fascists housing UBL. Will need an army massed along the border to hold back India though. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Tommy, you in? His appearance came as U.S. officials here struggled to cope with the immense policy implications of the assassination on relations with a nuclear-armed country that has received billions of dollars in American financial assistance and is an ally in the war on terrorism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush planned to speak with Musharraf as soon as it could be arranged Thursday. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
I'm not clear Dan: You do believe there was an Iraq-9/11 connection or you don't? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: So you believe Iraq and 9/11 were connected? Yes. The Bush administration attempted to use the attacks of 9/11 as a reason to invade Iraq. That's the connection. You walked into that punch. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 400 Scientist
In a message dated 12/27/2007 4:55:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are claiming a HALF MILLION American Scientists have come out in support of man made Global Warming? Liar. Statement Twister! Father to dozens of Strawmen! Point is that Moon's 400 number is minuscule. If there are more, let them speak up. Call me as many names as you want. But when you're finished with all that schoolyard stuff, try to come up with more than one line invectives and focus on the message rather than the messengers. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Politics of Personal Destruction: Anatomy of a Smear
In a message dated 12/27/2007 4:47:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OBFUSCATION: All those words below and nothing from you about Pinch saying he'd root for an enemy soldier against an American soldier. OBFUSCATION. Apparently you didn't read and consider the route that 1971 quote made it to 2007 as an irrational dismissal of the NYT in favor of Moon's papers. Obfuscation is a knee jerk response. In 36 years, one dumb answer from a man when he was 20 years old does not make a case. Most of us have matured in our world view I would hope. One 20-year-old dumb statement from a man to his father is all the right wing machine could muster? lol Reagan claimed that CO2 from trees caused pollution. And the web is overwhelmed with embarrassing Bushisms. Under our Free-Market Capitalism: NYT # 1, Asbury Park Press # 74, and Moon's Times # 97. I'll stick with the ratings and the general intelligence of America's newspaper reading public who want to be well-informed. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Re: A poster child for global warming
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One third of one degree. well, I got into a Christmas eve discussion about this with my wife's cousin who is about to get her Doctorate in Geophysics (intelligent cute AND Smart = cuter) and her almost fiance, who got his doctorate in marine bio. It comes down to a combination of a bunch of different things. Like the earth. Did you know that when the glaciers melt, the earth rises? The glaciers put pressure on the earth. And that was with no booze. I trust her. She's been around the world measuring the earth and setting up all those little things to do it. She could walk into any oil co and work, but for now, it resisting because she doesn't want to get caught up in the corporate death trap. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Sky
Perhaps AP could use an astronomy club in the summer. Maybe with access to a nice dark rooftop for viewing. That would rock. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Can I change the subject? Tommy, when's the next cool astronomical event coming up that I hopefully won't sleep thru :) Jack, Hope you've caught Mars this week. It's not too far from the moon. Look for the huge orange/cherry ball (not twinkling). Too cloudy tonight; try again tomorrow. It's about the most beautiful I've ever seen it. If you have binoculars, try to find these guys: Two comets glow high in the northern evening sky. Comet 17P/Holmes remains in Perseus, dim but big, about 1° across. Look for it a little west of the midpoint between Algol and Alpha Persei (Mirfak). Bright moonlight washes the sky through about December 25th, so use binoculars. But starting around the 26th, there's a window of good dark-sky time between twilight's end and moonrise. This observing window grows longer by about 1¼ hours every night. (To find your local end-of-twilight and moonrise times, use our online almanac. Make sure the Daylight Saving Time box is unchecked.) See full story and reader photos. Comet 8P/Tuttle is much tinier and somewhat dimmer, magnitude 6.5, but it's brightening rapidly on schedule. It should glow at 6th magnitude from the end of December into mid-January. And while Comet Holmes stays in Perseus for months to come, Comet Tuttle (being much nearer Earth) moves far across the evening sky during the same time. This week it's crossing the legs of Andromeda. See the article and charts in the January Sky Telescope, page 73, and the brief version online. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 400 Scientist
You are claiming a HALF MILLION American Scientists have come out in support of man made Global Warming? Liar. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are close to half a million scientists in the U.S. alone (that was a Census Bureau figure in the 90's. The Washington Times 400 scientist world wide who dispute global warming. That's just .0008 I I ever have to seek medical opinion about some serious illness and the options available to me, I'll stick with the 99.992 overwhelming professional opinion. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Sky
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I change the subject? Tommy, when's the next cool astronomical event coming up that I hopefully won't sleep thru :) Jack, Hope you've caught Mars this week. It's not too far from the moon. Look for the huge orange/cherry ball (not twinkling). Too cloudy tonight; try again tomorrow. It's about the most beautiful I've ever seen it. If you have binoculars, try to find these guys: Two comets glow high in the northern evening sky. Comet 17P/Holmes remains in Perseus, dim but big, about 1° across. Look for it a little west of the midpoint between Algol and Alpha Persei (Mirfak). Bright moonlight washes the sky through about December 25th, so use binoculars. But starting around the 26th, there's a window of good dark-sky time between twilight's end and moonrise. This observing window grows longer by about 1¼ hours every night. (To find your local end-of-twilight and moonrise times, use our online almanac. Make sure the Daylight Saving Time box is unchecked.) See full story and reader photos. Comet 8P/Tuttle is much tinier and somewhat dimmer, magnitude 6.5, but it's brightening rapidly on schedule. It should glow at 6th magnitude from the end of December into mid-January. And while Comet Holmes stays in Perseus for months to come, Comet Tuttle (being much nearer Earth) moves far across the evening sky during the same time. This week it's crossing the legs of Andromeda. See the article and charts in the January Sky Telescope, page 73, and the brief version online. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] 400 Scientist
There are close to half a million scientists in the U.S. alone (that was a Census Bureau figure in the 90's. The Washington Times 400 scientist world wide who dispute global warming. That's just .0008 I I ever have to seek medical opinion about some serious illness and the options available to me, I'll stick with the 99.992 overwhelming professional opinion. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Re: Politics of Personal Destruction: Anatomy of a Smear
OBFUSCATION: All those words below and nothing from you about Pinch saying he'd root for an enemy soldier against an American soldier. OBFUSCATION. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grasping at Straws (G.A.S.) 1999 Publication of The Trust: The Private and Powerful Family Behind the New York Times. Authors Tifft and Jones had previously unavailable access to members of the Sulberger family and produced the most tell all book to date. In one of their interviews, Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., in a self-deprecating moment, tells an anecdote about a question his father asked him in 1971, when he was 20 years old: the dumbest question I've ever heard in my life At the end of The Trust, the authors imply their general favorability, despite some of the dirty laindry when they quote writer Talese's abiding 30-year-old hope: ''Where can people [go] who have values and a sense of right and wrong, of standards. . . I think today, the Sulzberger family and The New York Times [are] our only hope.'' Business Week called it one of the top 10 books of 1999, and it was named a National Book Critics' Award finalist. === 2001 How I Accidentally Joined the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (and Found Inner Peace) is written by neo-con Harry Stein who lifted that one paragraph by Sulberger from the 1999 Trust book. = 2003 Stanley Kurtz writes in the conservative The National Review: The problem is Arthur Sulzberger Jr., and he's not going away. In his wonderful book, How I Accidentally Joined the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (and Found Inner Peace), Harry Stein lays out the disturbing facts about Pinch Sulzberger. (Sulzberger's father was nicknamed Punch, and the none too flattering nickname for Junior is Pinch.) Pinch was a political activist in the Sixties, and was twice arrested in anti-Vietnam protests. One day, the elder Sulzberger asked his son what Pinch calls, the dumbest question I've ever heard in my life. If an American soldier runs into a North Vietnamese soldier, which would you like to see get shot? Young Arthur answered, I would want to see the American get shot. It's the other guy's country. The question gets two hits today on Google. The answer get 6 hits. Kurtz mistakenly identifies Sulzberger as the owner of the NYT, but it is a publicly owned company. = ===\ 12/23/2007, 10:18:32P.M.justifiedright writes: I'll take Reverend Moon over Salzburger, the owner of the NY Times anyday, particularly since Salzburger said this: Pinch was a political activist in the Sixties, and was twice arrested in anti-Vietnam protests. One day, the elder Sulzberger asked his son what Pinch calls, the dumbest question I've ever heard in my life. If an American soldier runs into a North Vietnamese soldier, which would you like to see get shot? Young Arthur answered, I would want to see the American get shot. It's the other guy's country. You want to see an American soldier get shot? Treason. What a bastard. I'll take Moon. == Moon's controversial views regarding church and state, Jews and the Holocaust, homosexuality, and the role of women are documented at Wiki. Cherry picking to suit one's point of point? Politics of Personal Discussion? Can I call the pope a fascist because he was a member of Hitler Youth when he was 14 and rejoined the Nazis after the seminary even though he could have been exempt as a member of the clergy. What about the Christians condoning slavery as being consistent by the Bible. And the Vatican's Concordat with Hitler? Wondering why more don't consider General / President Eisenhower's warnings, at the top of his game and experience, about the military Industrial complex back in 1961. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdrGKwkmxAU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdrGKwkmxAU In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together. Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961 http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html == Happy Third Day of Christmas and Second Day of Kwanzaa. Peace to men and women of Good Will, Mario Yahoo! Groups
[AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
Do you actually know what Abbott money IS? Have you read the lawsuit, over this? Read up on why Asbury and Neptune were granted Abbott money, not that it's doing any good here, but your slip is showing! Schools that had high minority attendance were NOT getting funded like the Rumsons or the Fair Havens and the Supreme Court found for the minorities, so if you have a problem with that, you're no better than the majority, who think our kids deserve nothing, then you wonder why they deal drugs and belong to gangs, which is the stereotype, anyway. This I liken to Mount Laurel, which would rather give their money for affordable housing to other towns, rather than sully, their towns, with the likes of us! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: Our tax money, well spent! After the United States has spent more than $5 billion in a largely failed effort to bolster the... Kind of like school spending on Abbotts and SCC. Sorry. Back to the war. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The threat of Islamofascists, justifies one race taking over the country of the natives. See Eastern Europeans and Arab Jews, taking Let's get back to Asbury Park and the fate of those who have MIGHT have deposits sitting around and what will take place next in the redevelopment ZONES of Springwood and Oceanfront. The clock continues to run. Count up how many tax dollars are being collected in 56 acres of prime realestate. Within that area, what % is being paid by Partners or those in NEW developments. How much projected in 2007/2008 just won't happen? COMPLETED units should be taxed as that. COMPLETED. This may give the developer of a project an incentive to cut prices and SELL. SELLING the unit brings in residents or tenants. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] AP Condos
In MLS: 109 condo units listed for sale from $149,000 to $999,000. Add to this all those actaul units not listed in MLS. The Post building now has a few in MLS along with the Griffin. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I'm not clear Dan: You do believe there was an Iraq-9/11 connection or you don't? Prior to us invading? Tenuous at best. Whatever connection there may be it was not necessary for us to invade. We should have kept our eye on Afghanistan. Then I guess some things happen in a vacuum and are not connected; contrary to your original point. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: My hope for 2008
Back to AP, and I'm not trying to cry over spilled milk. I'm genuinely curious. Werner - Do you any input about have that crappy sewer building got approval? When? By whom? and is rook right about the potential for flipping. In a message dated 12/26/2007 8:25:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I remember correctly, the part in Ocean Avenue is not the main plant and can be flipped to the other side. It would reopen Ocean Avenue. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ma The worst decision ever made I think was the decision to put the sewer plant smack on top of Ocean Ave. Who was mayor then, or who was responsible for that literally crappy decision? **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
Can't believe I have to remind you... http://tinyurl.com/2cfup9 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The threat of Islamofascists, justifies one race taking over the country of the natives. See Eastern Europeans and Arab Jews, taking over Palestine, renaming the country Israel and demonizing the Palestinians, as Islamic Fascists! The US, turns its' head the other way and allows, the bulldozing of homes, the raping of women and emasculation of Arab men! In America, same deal! Europeans occupy and take over a country, where the natives are herded into reservations. Africans are brought to this country as chattel, bought and sold, like cattle, etc. The South grows cotton, tobacco and refines sugar, but the industrial east builds the ships, sells the insurance to the slave owners, insuring that their property, if lost will be paid in premiums, for their loss! Wall Street, is as much to blame for perpetuating the system of slavery, as the South. It isn't until 100 years after the signing of the Emancipation, that the descendants of said slaves, rise up and begin the biggest movement since the revolution. Lifelong Democrats, switch to being Republicans and 40 years later, you have charter schools, siphoning off funds, from the so-called public schools and parents are given vouchers, to have their kids attend any school they want, like a de-facto, back to segregation, legally! Whatever any minority group or union that bargains for, their members, the government, which is anti-union and anti-integration, will find a way to un-do the progress, of those who want to live in a United States, where inclusion is the norm! The same Neo-Cons, deride Gays, Trans-Sexuals and Lesbains, from having inclusion into American Society, as the law-abiding citizens, they are! While many states, have written laws, granting Gays, civil unions, I believe they should be granted the right to marry and have all the priviledges of married people! I say that to say this. If you vote Republican, you are voting against your OWN best interest! So keep on voting for them and see what you get! Little boys, who behind closed doors, engage in the SAME pleasures, that they want to DENY YOU! See the Congressional Pages scandal, the comgressmen, who engage in affairs with single women in their employ; one wound up dead in Rock Creek Park! One had a President impeached! The senator, who solicits sex in airport bathrooms. The lobbyists scandals, that resulted in Tom DeLays resignation, the Enron debacle, along with outing a known CIA operative and on and on! The best hypocrite, I can call to mind is Newt Gingrich, who was impeaching Clinton, whole having an affair with one of his underlings, while his wife was battling cancer! They just hate Democrats, with a vengeance! This is the other un-Civil War, going on in Washington, now! Brought to you by fundamentalist christians, espousing family values, when nothing could be further from the truth! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: never mind. i found it: The latest big lie unveiled by Washington's neoconservatives are the poisonous terms, Islamo-Fascists and Islamic Fascists. They are the new, hot buzzwords among America's far right and Christian fundamentalists. President George W. Bush made a point last week of using Islamofacists when recently speaking of Hezbullah and Hamas both, by the way, democratically elected parties. A Canadian government minister from the Conservative Party compared Lebanon's Hezbullah to Nazi Germany. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Politics of Personal Destruction: Anatomy of a Smear
Rooting for the enemy soldier against an American soldier has nothing to do with his age (20). That's plenty old enough to know better. It shows his lack of patriotism; his treason streak. It may be dismissed by like minded people, but not people who respect our soldiars. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/27/2007 4:47:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OBFUSCATION: All those words below and nothing from you about Pinch saying he'd root for an enemy soldier against an American soldier. OBFUSCATION. Apparently you didn't read and consider the route that 1971 quote made it to 2007 as an irrational dismissal of the NYT in favor of Moon's papers. Obfuscation is a knee jerk response. In 36 years, one dumb answer from a man when he was 20 years old does not make a case. Most of us have matured in our world view I would hope. One 20-year-old dumb statement from a man to his father is all the right wing machine could muster? lol Reagan claimed that CO2 from trees caused pollution. And the web is overwhelmed with embarrassing Bushisms. Under our Free-Market Capitalism: NYT # 1, Asbury Park Press # 74, and Moon's Times # 97. I'll stick with the ratings and the general intelligence of America's newspaper reading public who want to be well-informed. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
In a message dated 12/27/2007 5:42:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can't believe I have to remind you... _http://tinyurl.http://tin_ (http://tinyurl.com/2cfup9) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , Sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The threat of Islamofascists The threat of Islamofascists The tinyurl is a picture of the burning towers. Six years later, not an analysis of our failed response to it. # 2 MSNBC executives may be right. Visuals are catnip to viewers; stupid but easily grasped stories are way more compelling television than important but complicated stories. from _Marty Kaplan: Three Reasons to Kill Yourself - Politics on The Huffington Post_ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marty-kaplan/three-reasons-to-kill-you_b_78316.html) **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
I thought that the attackers, were from Saudi Arabia! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I'm not clear Dan: You do believe there was an Iraq-9/11 connection or you don't? Prior to us invading? Tenuous at best. Whatever connection there may be it was not necessary for us to invade. We should have kept our eye on Afghanistan. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Politics of Personal Destruction: Anatomy of a Smear
So to defend Pinch rooting for the enemy to kill American soldiers - you call the Pope a Nazi. Some non-sequiters actually tell alot about the writer. Now we know Pinch hates American soldiars and you hate the Pope. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/27/2007 5:40:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rooting for the enemy soldier against an American soldier has nothing to do with his age (20). That's plenty old enough to know better. It shows his lack of patriotism; his treason streak. The above shows your unwillingness to admit an overstatement. It was a foolish statement, like Imus whom you defended. I can't find a definition of treason or traitorous that fits your judgment above. But what about all the deserters who went to Canada; they were eventually pardoned. And Nixon was pardoned. And now all the Bush appointees who are under investigation for serious crimes. Will you be so unyielding, unChristian. Under your criteria, then the Pontiff is a fascist. Joining the Fascist after the seminary showed his fascist streak, years the Hitler Youth at 14. The Holy Office of the Vatican issued a statement in support of slavery in 1866 And at the Council of Nicea, Jews were declared perfidious, Christ-killers, people to be avoided, converted, or persecuted. Thus began nearly two thousand years of mistrust, misunderstanding, segregation, hatred, and, often, violence. It wasn't until Pope John XXIII and the Vatican Council of 1965 that Jews were absolved of the murder of Jesus, but it took the papacy of John Paul II to truly reorder the landscape. And back to the 20th Century _Pictures illustrate Nazi link to Catholic Church_ (http://emperors-clothes.com/vatican/cpix.htm) The Vatican's Concordat with Hitler Before God and on the Holy Gospels I swear and promise as becomes a bishop, loyalty to the German Reich and to the [regional - EC] State of . . . I swear and promise to honor the legally constituted Government and to cause the clergy of my diocese to honor it. In the performance of my spiritual office and in my solicitude for the welfare and the interests of the German Reich, I will endeavor to avoid all detrimental acts which might endanger it. == **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
The threat of Islamofascists, justifies one race taking over the country of the natives. See Eastern Europeans and Arab Jews, taking over Palestine, renaming the country Israel and demonizing the Palestinians, as Islamic Fascists! The US, turns its' head the other way and allows, the bulldozing of homes, the raping of women and emasculation of Arab men! In America, same deal! Europeans occupy and take over a country, where the natives are herded into reservations. Africans are brought to this country as chattel, bought and sold, like cattle, etc. The South grows cotton, tobacco and refines sugar, but the industrial east builds the ships, sells the insurance to the slave owners, insuring that their property, if lost will be paid in premiums, for their loss! Wall Street, is as much to blame for perpetuating the system of slavery, as the South. It isn't until 100 years after the signing of the Emancipation, that the descendants of said slaves, rise up and begin the biggest movement since the revolution. Lifelong Democrats, switch to being Republicans and 40 years later, you have charter schools, siphoning off funds, from the so-called public schools and parents are given vouchers, to have their kids attend any school they want, like a de-facto, back to segregation, legally! Whatever any minority group or union that bargains for, their members, the government, which is anti-union and anti-integration, will find a way to un-do the progress, of those who want to live in a United States, where inclusion is the norm! The same Neo-Cons, deride Gays, Trans-Sexuals and Lesbains, from having inclusion into American Society, as the law-abiding citizens, they are! While many states, have written laws, granting Gays, civil unions, I believe they should be granted the right to marry and have all the priviledges of married people! I say that to say this. If you vote Republican, you are voting against your OWN best interest! So keep on voting for them and see what you get! Little boys, who behind closed doors, engage in the SAME pleasures, that they want to DENY YOU! See the Congressional Pages scandal, the comgressmen, who engage in affairs with single women in their employ; one wound up dead in Rock Creek Park! One had a President impeached! The senator, who solicits sex in airport bathrooms. The lobbyists scandals, that resulted in Tom DeLays resignation, the Enron debacle, along with outing a known CIA operative and on and on! The best hypocrite, I can call to mind is Newt Gingrich, who was impeaching Clinton, whole having an affair with one of his underlings, while his wife was battling cancer! They just hate Democrats, with a vengeance! This is the other un-Civil War, going on in Washington, now! Brought to you by fundamentalist christians, espousing family values, when nothing could be further from the truth! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: never mind. i found it: The latest big lie unveiled by Washington's neoconservatives are the poisonous terms, Islamo-Fascists and Islamic Fascists. They are the new, hot buzzwords among America's far right and Christian fundamentalists. President George W. Bush made a point last week of using Islamofacists when recently speaking of Hezbullah and Hamas both, by the way, democratically elected parties. A Canadian government minister from the Conservative Party compared Lebanon's Hezbullah to Nazi Germany. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you believe Iraq and 9/11 were connected? Yes. The Bush administration attempted to use the attacks of 9/11 as a reason to invade Iraq. That's the connection. You walked into that punch. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # 2 MSNBC executives may be right. Visuals are catnip to viewers; stupid but easily grasped stories are way more compelling television than important but complicated stories. from _Marty Kaplan: Three Reasons to Kill Yourself - Politics on The Huffington Post_ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marty-kaplan/three-reasons-to-kill- you_b_78316.html) So the liberals at the Huff Post are calling the American public stupid. How entirely typical of them to show their elitism (it's not that we're wrong, we're misunderstood! Whaaa!). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A poster child for global warming
In a message dated 12/27/2007 5:19:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I trust her. She's been around the world measuring the earth and setting up all those little things to do it. She could walk into any oil co and work, but for now, it resisting because she doesn't want to get caught up in the corporate death trap. Like the cigarette companies who lied in testimonies for years about whjat they knew about health hazrds of smoking, but now, if you watch their media campaigns acknowledge the medical consensus, and branched out to other markets and products. Phillip Morris is especially in the lead on this. Sp too, the energy and auto companies seem to be segueing into some sort of compliance with the scientific and public consensus. It's good business. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Tommy
So whose to blame - the kid, the tiger...? 1) The tiger? 2) The kid for possibly teasing the tiger? 3) The Zoo? 4) People for having to see an animal confined in a natural setting? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not clear Dan: You do believe there was an Iraq-9/11 connection or you don't? Prior to us invading? Tenuous at best. Whatever connection there may be it was not necessary for us to invade. We should have kept our eye on Afghanistan. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] A poster child for global warming
Greenland Residents Detect Sea Changes Residents of Greenland's west coast say they are feeling the effects of rising sea temperatures in the fishing and tourism industries. NewsHour correspondent Spencer Michels reports on the research into whether the changes are climate change-related. _http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/environment/july-dec07/greenland_08-01.html_ (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/environment/july-dec07/greenland_08-01.html) GREENLAND RESIDENT: You don't have to be a scientist to see the changes. They're big changes. SPENCER MICHELS: But you do need to be a scientist to know just how big the changes are, how fast they'll come, and what they mean. That's why researchers are focusing on the Jakobshavn glacier, one of the world's largest. It is so large that the icebergs that break off from it, a process called calving, are sometimes more than 40 stories high and three city blocks wide. Glaciers are slowly moving rivers of ice. The Jakobshavn used to creep along at a pace that could truly be called glacial. Then, in 1997, it doubled its speed. It's now moving more than the length of a football field each day, making it the world's fastest glacier. Its ice also thinned, and the calving front -- the place where the icebergs break off -- has retreated inland. When these icebergs reach the ocean and eventually melt, they raise sea level. But not enough is known scientifically about the reasons for these changes, or their impact, or how fast they will happen in the future, here and elsewhere. Even a recent report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or the IPCC, couldn't answer those questions. It said scientists simply did not have enough understanding of the melting process to make solid predictions of future sea level rise. That's where researchers like New York University's David Holland come in. DAVID HOLLAND, Oceanographer, New York University: So the IPCC report, there are two headlines from it. One is that, in the next century, the air temperature is going to increase. That is solid science, totally credible, believable, good observations, good models. The second headline is that sea level will rise between 20 and 60 centimeters. That's totally incredible and unbelievable. That's just a guess based on past behavior, how much sea level has risen in the past century. We cannot predict yet sea level change, and we're stuck, and we're stuck because we aren't able to model processes that we have not observed. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I guess some things happen in a vacuum and are not connected; contrary to your original point. Nice try. You set up the twp events/circumstances. Saying that nothing happens in vacuum is not the same as saying everything is connected. Is there a connection between the size of your penis and the rise in jellyfish populations worldwide? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
Oh SNAP --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Then I guess some things happen in a vacuum and are not connected; contrary to your original point. Nice try. You set up the twp events/circumstances. Saying that nothing happens in vacuum is not the same as saying everything is connected. Is there a connection between the size of your penis and the rise in jellyfish populations worldwide? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A poster child for global warming
One third of one degree. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greenland Residents Detect Sea Changes Residents of Greenland's west coast say they are feeling the effects of rising sea temperatures in the fishing and tourism industries. NewsHour correspondent Spencer Michels reports on the research into whether the changes are climate change-related. _http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/environment/july- dec07/greenland_08-01.html_ (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/environment/july- dec07/greenland_08-01.html) GREENLAND RESIDENT: You don't have to be a scientist to see the changes. They're big changes. SPENCER MICHELS: But you do need to be a scientist to know just how big the changes are, how fast they'll come, and what they mean. That's why researchers are focusing on the Jakobshavn glacier, one of the world's largest. It is so large that the icebergs that break off from it, a process called calving, are sometimes more than 40 stories high and three city blocks wide. Glaciers are slowly moving rivers of ice. The Jakobshavn used to creep along at a pace that could truly be called glacial. Then, in 1997, it doubled its speed. It's now moving more than the length of a football field each day, making it the world's fastest glacier. Its ice also thinned, and the calving front -- the place where the icebergs break off -- has retreated inland. When these icebergs reach the ocean and eventually melt, they raise sea level. But not enough is known scientifically about the reasons for these changes, or their impact, or how fast they will happen in the future, here and elsewhere. Even a recent report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or the IPCC, couldn't answer those questions. It said scientists simply did not have enough understanding of the melting process to make solid predictions of future sea level rise. That's where researchers like New York University's David Holland come in. DAVID HOLLAND, Oceanographer, New York University: So the IPCC report, there are two headlines from it. One is that, in the next century, the air temperature is going to increase. That is solid science, totally credible, believable, good observations, good models. The second headline is that sea level will rise between 20 and 60 centimeters. That's totally incredible and unbelievable. That's just a guess based on past behavior, how much sea level has risen in the past century. We cannot predict yet sea level change, and we're stuck, and we're stuck because we aren't able to model processes that we have not observed. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
I guess the wisecrack (which I admit I don't get) was a way for you to avoid facing what you said. Oak asked me about Charlie Wilson's War, and I said I wouldn't go becaue it tries to make a connection between Reagan and 9/11 (how stupid). In response you said nothing happens in a vacuum. I asked you if you believe a connection between Iraq and 9/11. You said tenuous at best (I'd like to hear your explanation of the tenuous connection). Ergo - you admit that some things do happen in a vacuum; they aren't connected. If you still believe the Nothing happens in a vacuum theory, then I point out to you that the rise in Global Warming correlates to there being fewer Pirates in the world: http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/001857.php That concludes today's lesson on the difference between causation and correlation. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Then I guess some things happen in a vacuum and are not connected; contrary to your original point. Nice try. You set up the twp events/circumstances. Saying that nothing happens in vacuum is not the same as saying everything is connected. Is there a connection between the size of your penis and the rise in jellyfish populations worldwide? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Exhibit 3 of the redevelopment agreement
Information for Qualifying a Subsequent Developer Where is this? Anyone have a copy of it? And this in the original (did this clause remain??) F. In the event a default occurs and remains unabated, Master Developer or Subsequent Developer loses its rights as a redeveloper as of the date the notice becomes undisputed. The redeveloper rights shall not be part of or an asset of any estate of Master Developer or Subsequent Developer should they seek the protection of or declaration of the bankruptcy courts. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy
Easy - the zoo. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So whose to blame - the kid, the tiger...? 1) The tiger? 2) The kid for possibly teasing the tiger? 3) The Zoo? 4) People for having to see an animal confined in a natural setting? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Politics of Personal Destruction: Anatomy of a Smear
Mario, Here's a review: http://www.mediachannel.org/views/interviews/genealogy.shtml Good read! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grasping at Straws (G.A.S.) 1999 Publication of The Trust: The Private and Powerful Family Behind the New York Times. Authors Tifft and Jones had previously unavailable access to members of the Sulberger family and produced the most tell all book to date. In one of their interviews, Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., in a self-deprecating moment, tells an anecdote about a question his father asked him in 1971, when he was 20 years old: the dumbest question I've ever heard in my life se soldier, which would you like to see get shot? Young Arthur answered, I would want to see the American get shot. It's the other guy's country. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Politics of Personal Destruction: Anatomy of a Smear
In a message dated 12/27/2007 5:40:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rooting for the enemy soldier against an American soldier has nothing to do with his age (20). That's plenty old enough to know better. It shows his lack of patriotism; his treason streak. The above shows your unwillingness to admit an overstatement. It was a foolish statement, like Imus whom you defended. I can't find a definition of treason or traitorous that fits your judgment above. But what about all the deserters who went to Canada; they were eventually pardoned. And Nixon was pardoned. And now all the Bush appointees who are under investigation for serious crimes. Will you be so unyielding, unChristian. Under your criteria, then the Pontiff is a fascist. Joining the Fascist after the seminary showed his fascist streak, years the Hitler Youth at 14. The Holy Office of the Vatican issued a statement in support of slavery in 1866 And at the Council of Nicea, Jews were declared perfidious, Christ-killers, people to be avoided, converted, or persecuted. Thus began nearly two thousand years of mistrust, misunderstanding, segregation, hatred, and, often, violence. It wasn't until Pope John XXIII and the Vatican Council of 1965 that Jews were absolved of the murder of Jesus, but it took the papacy of John Paul II to truly reorder the landscape. And back to the 20th Century _Pictures illustrate Nazi link to Catholic Church_ (http://emperors-clothes.com/vatican/cpix.htm) The Vatican's Concordat with Hitler Before God and on the Holy Gospels I swear and promise as becomes a bishop, loyalty to the German Reich and to the [regional - EC] State of . . . I swear and promise to honor the legally constituted Government and to cause the clergy of my diocese to honor it. In the performance of my spiritual office and in my solicitude for the welfare and the interests of the German Reich, I will endeavor to avoid all detrimental acts which might endanger it. == **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
Islamofascists from Saudi Arabia. Islamofascists are in many countries - even mine: http://tinyurl.com/2q8l8s That's why we have to kill them before they kill us. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that the attackers, were from Saudi Arabia! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I'm not clear Dan: You do believe there was an Iraq-9/11 connection or you don't? Prior to us invading? Tenuous at best. Whatever connection there may be it was not necessary for us to invade. We should have kept our eye on Afghanistan. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Politics of Personal Destruction: Anatomy of a Smear
Thanks, yes it is. In a message dated 12/27/2007 6:11:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mario, Here's a review: _http://www.mediachahttp://wwhttp://www.mediahttp://www.http:_ (http://www.mediachannel.org/views/interviews/genealogy.shtml) Good read! **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Politics of Personal Destruction: Anatomy of a Smear
In a message dated 12/27/2007 6:17:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So to defend Pinch rooting for the enemy to kill American soldiers - you call the Pope a Nazi. Some non-sequiters actually tell alot about the writer. Now we know Pinch hates American soldiars and you hate the Pope. That's not at all the point of my post. You're the epitome of the Non-sequitor post. But Asbury Couple has the best when you try this now easily recognizable tactic In a message dated 12/23/2007 7:08:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's no quandry. Please don't use your change the debate tactics on me. The only quandry is how you can source Mr. Moon's personal communication vehicle and be taken seriously. I won't even say please. I know you can't help yourself when you paint yourself into quandaries with outrageous textbook, fallacies. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
In a message dated 12/27/2007 6:19:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ma # 2 MSNBC executives may be right. Visuals are catnip to viewers; stupid but easily grasped stories are way more compelling television than important but complicated stories. from _Marty Kaplan: Three Reasons to Kill Yourself - Politics on The Huffington Post_ (_http://www.huffingthttp://www.http://www.huhttp://www.hufhttp://w_ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marty-kaplan/three-reasons-to-kill-) you_b_78316.you_b_7831 So the liberals at the Huff Post are calling the American public stupid. How entirely typical of them to show their elitism (it's not that we're wrong, we're misunderstood! Whaaa!we Can you read? Stupid television storied of complicated issues using visuals rather than more in depth analysis, How entirely typical of you to try to distract with epithets like elitism. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Re: Politics of Personal Destruction: Anatomy of a Smear
You can't be fair even for a minute. I changed the debate!? The subject was Pinch rooting for the enemy to kill an American soldier. You counter with the Pope and Nazis. I'll ask again - I changed the debate?! I believe it is you that changed the debate. You won't admit it. You'll cut and paste an bunch of stuff from the net on yet another topi (that no one will read), make a personal attack and wait for another opportunity to attack. Because that's what Internet tough guys do. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/27/2007 6:17:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So to defend Pinch rooting for the enemy to kill American soldiers - you call the Pope a Nazi. Some non-sequiters actually tell alot about the writer. Now we know Pinch hates American soldiars and you hate the Pope. That's not at all the point of my post. You're the epitome of the Non-sequitor post. But Asbury Couple has the best when you try this now easily recognizable tactic In a message dated 12/23/2007 7:08:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's no quandry. Please don't use your change the debate tactics on me. The only quandry is how you can source Mr. Moon's personal communication vehicle and be taken seriously. I won't even say please. I know you can't help yourself when you paint yourself into quandaries with outrageous textbook, fallacies. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
Pogo: We have met the enemy and he is us when we succumb to jingoistic oversimplifications. In a message dated 12/27/2007 6:29:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Islamofascists from Saudi Arabia. Islamofascists are in many countries - even mine: _http://tinyurl.http://tin_ (http://tinyurl.com/2q8l8s) That's why we have to kill them before they kill us. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , Sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Re: the next movie..
Can you read? Stupid television storied of complicated issues using visuals rather than more in depth analysis, Sure I can read. They were alleging the public found the simpler more compelling rather than in depth analysis. You apparantly can read - however comprehension seems your enemy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pogo: We have met the enemy and he is us when we succumb to jingoistic oversimplifications. So now you compare Americans to the Islamofascists that want us dead? That's revolting. Tell it to this guy: http://tinyurl.com/2w2bmo Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
