[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
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[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bikes and pedestrians on the boardwalk do not mix. It is a miracle that no one has been injured. It is a disgrace that the people in charge of Asbury's boardwalk and pavilions have done so little to enhance the boardwalk and it's pavilions to make Asbury even more attractive for tourists and everyday beach goers than it already is. Instead, we have bikes on the boardwalk at all hours and count them, 3 bars in full operation on the boardwalk. I believe, and Werner can confirm or deny, that when James Bradley handed the city his boardwalk he provided for zero alcohol on it, and the avenues remaining open space. The idea of Asbury being a place to come for peace and quiet, health and meditation has kind of been usurped wernerapnj wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: It appears that between your reply and the one prior to it there are different points of view on just what was allowed and what has changed... So apparently others here are both misinformed and making incorrect assumptions, too. Points of view, Assumptions, etc, lead to bad conclusions. The facts are what they are - Biking is prohibited except from 6am to 9am. Biking and pedestrian activities are incompatible, which is the reason for limiting bikes to certain hours. The Council is moving to extend those hours, not reduce them, as a compromise. Bottom line is that I really think this is too bad. Unfortunate for the town. This move eliminates something that was both highly desireable and differentiating for AP and just simply a lot of fun. As a marketing professional I am truly amazed. We want people to come back and check out AP then take away something that was getting them here. As a marketing professional you really beleive that the economic gains (if any) realized due to a handfull of bikers is more significant than the safety of hundreds of pedestrians who are visiting and spending money ? What a pity. I am also kind of amazed that, with all of the things both important and sometimes silly that are debated on this board, nothing was ever mentioned about this (forgive me if I missed something). I for one will be complaining to Terry Reidy and our Council. Complaining about what? They ae increasing the allowed hours. Werner As a side note - several tens of thousand dollars were recently spent to create bike lanes around town. They are not used except for the occational hard-core/spandexed/helmeted biker. I've seen about 6 in the past six months. More wasted public funds and visual clutter from strips and signs. Don't know who is on the current zoning board of adjustment, but it would never have been approved on my watch! The City is accomodating those, whose interest THEY share and the rest of the City that has complied with the zoning laws be DAMNED. I personally am not against biking, but if it's in the city's zoning laws, how was it approved? Okay, that said, the zoning laws should be changed. What about the allowance of 3 bars? This used to be a town, where the boardwalk, amusements and bathing ,were to promote a family atmosphere. With the influx of transplants from other areas, the newbies want to FORCE the way REAL Asbury Park residents lived, into THEIR mindset! The HAVES, telling the HAVE- NOTS, it's THEIR town, now! Give me a break! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
I'm just going to say this one time, and then i'm going to stop, because nobody is paying attention to the only thing i'm asking. I'd just like to be able to ride my bike on the boardwalk later in the evening...say 10 or 11 pm. I went for a bike ride last night at 10:30 pm. The boardwalk was entirely empty, save for perhaps one or 2 people. The street lights on Ocean Ave. were off, and there I was riding, not aware of potholes or anything BECAUSE I couldn't see them...but just a few yards away was the empty, well lit, smooth and safe boardwalk. You people that don't want to allow me to ride on the EMPTY boardwalk are telling me that I should go ride in and ugly, unsafe, unlit, bumpy and pothole filled road, at the same time you are trying to preserve the safety of the walkers on the boardwalk that aren't there. They're at home, sleeping, watching TV. Do you not see my point? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Sharon Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube traderdube@ wrote: Bikes and pedestrians on the boardwalk do not mix. It is a miracle that no one has been injured. It is a disgrace that the people in charge of Asbury's boardwalk and pavilions have done so little to enhance the boardwalk and it's pavilions to make Asbury even more attractive for tourists and everyday beach goers than it already is. Instead, we have bikes on the boardwalk at all hours and count them, 3 bars in full operation on the boardwalk. I believe, and Werner can confirm or deny, that when James Bradley handed the city his boardwalk he provided for zero alcohol on it, and the avenues remaining open space. The idea of Asbury being a place to come for peace and quiet, health and meditation has kind of been usurped wernerapnj wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: It appears that between your reply and the one prior to it there are different points of view on just what was allowed and what has changed... So apparently others here are both misinformed and making incorrect assumptions, too. Points of view, Assumptions, etc, lead to bad conclusions. The facts are what they are - Biking is prohibited except from 6am to 9am. Biking and pedestrian activities are incompatible, which is the reason for limiting bikes to certain hours. The Council is moving to extend those hours, not reduce them, as a compromise. Bottom line is that I really think this is too bad. Unfortunate for the town. This move eliminates something that was both highly desireable and differentiating for AP and just simply a lot of fun. As a marketing professional I am truly amazed. We want people to come back and check out AP then take away something that was getting them here. As a marketing professional you really beleive that the economic gains (if any) realized due to a handfull of bikers is more significant than the safety of hundreds of pedestrians who are visiting and spending money ? What a pity. I am also kind of amazed that, with all of the things both important and sometimes silly that are debated on this board, nothing was ever mentioned about this (forgive me if I missed something). I for one will be complaining to Terry Reidy and our Council. Complaining about what? They ae increasing the allowed hours. Werner As a side note - several tens of thousand dollars were recently spent to create bike lanes around town. They are not used except for the occational hard-core/spandexed/helmeted biker. I've seen about 6 in the past six months. More wasted public funds and visual clutter from strips and signs. Don't know who is on the current zoning board of adjustment, but it would never have been approved on my watch! The City is accomodating those, whose interest THEY share and the rest of the City that has complied with the zoning laws be DAMNED. I personally am not against biking, but if it's in the city's zoning laws, how was it approved? Okay, that said, the zoning laws should be changed. What about the allowance of 3 bars? This used to be a town, where the boardwalk, amusements and bathing ,were to promote a family atmosphere. With the influx of transplants from other areas, the newbies want to FORCE the way REAL Asbury Park residents lived, into THEIR mindset! The HAVES, telling the HAVE- NOTS, it's THEIR town, now! Give me a break! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just going to say this one time, and then i'm going to stop, because nobody is paying obviously not true, talk about beating a dead horse, i agree with others ride your bike at 11 pm , you have better oods of getting struck by lightning then getting a ticket, since you mentioned it, you worked at the peddler in long branch what are their hours for bikes on the bdwalk? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
I don't know about the hours in Long Branch. I haven't worked at the Peddler for about 12-15 years. For the record, I was told by a really cool police officer last night that a ticket for being caught riding on the boardwalk would include a heafty fine. It would be just my bad luck to be the guy busted for doing so. Hopefully, I'm not the only one out there that is bothered by this situation, and if I am i really don't want to capitalize this message board for my desire to ride my bike. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I'm just going to say this one time, and then i'm going to stop, because nobody is paying obviously not true, talk about beating a dead horse, i agree with others ride your bike at 11 pm , you have better oods of getting struck by lightning then getting a ticket, since you mentioned it, you worked at the peddler in long branch what are their hours for bikes on the bdwalk? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Asburycouple, You are misinformed regarding this topic and making some incorrect assumptions. Bike riding has ALWAY been banned on the boardwalk except between the hours of 6am to 9am The width of the boardwalk has nothing to do with bikes or any other vehicles. The width is an aougrowth of the evolution of Asbuey Park and the influence of the City Beautiful movement promoting large public spaces. logically, the 'Bike Shop' should never have been given permission to operate on the boardwalk since it is a conflict of use with pedestrian and beachfront activities. And biking is prohibited (except 6 to 9). The Councl has moved to increase the biking hours. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any truth that bicycles are being banned on the boardwalk? I just heard this yesterday and am really amazed if this is true. For starters this has been a really great thing that makes the AP boardwalk special and I believe is one of the reasons cited as to why the boardwalk is so wide. Second, it will put Asbury Pedlars out of business, which sucks given their willingness to take a chance and make the investment to open on the boardwalk based on the ability to ride on it. Anybody know anything about this? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
It appears that between your reply and the one prior to it there are different points of view on just what was allowed and what has changed... So apparently others here are both misinformed and making incorrect assumptions, too. Bottom line is that I really think this is too bad. Unfortunate for the town. This move eliminates something that was both highly desireable and differentiating for AP and just simply a lot of fun. As a marketing professional I am truly amazed. We want people to come back and check out AP then take away something that was getting them here. What a pity. I am also kind of amazed that, with all of the things both important and sometimes silly that are debated on this board, nothing was ever mentioned about this (forgive me if I missed something). I for one will be complaining to Terry Reidy and our Council. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asburycouple, You are misinformed regarding this topic and making some incorrect assumptions. Bike riding has ALWAY been banned on the boardwalk except between the hours of 6am to 9am The width of the boardwalk has nothing to do with bikes or any other vehicles. The width is an aougrowth of the evolution of Asbuey Park and the influence of the City Beautiful movement promoting large public spaces. logically, the 'Bike Shop' should never have been given permission to operate on the boardwalk since it is a conflict of use with pedestrian and beachfront activities. And biking is prohibited (except 6 to 9). The Councl has moved to increase the biking hours. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Any truth that bicycles are being banned on the boardwalk? I just heard this yesterday and am really amazed if this is true. For starters this has been a really great thing that makes the AP boardwalk special and I believe is one of the reasons cited as to why the boardwalk is so wide. Second, it will put Asbury Pedlars out of business, which sucks given their willingness to take a chance and make the investment to open on the boardwalk based on the ability to ride on it. Anybody know anything about this? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that between your reply and the one prior to it there are different points of view on just what was allowed and what has changed... So apparently others here are both misinformed and making incorrect assumptions, too. Points of view, Assumptions, etc, lead to bad conclusions. The facts are what they are - Biking is prohibited except from 6am to 9am. Biking and pedestrian activities are incompatible, which is the reason for limiting bikes to certain hours. The Council is moving to extend those hours, not reduce them, as a compromise. Bottom line is that I really think this is too bad. Unfortunate for the town. This move eliminates something that was both highly desireable and differentiating for AP and just simply a lot of fun. As a marketing professional I am truly amazed. We want people to come back and check out AP then take away something that was getting them here. As a marketing professional you really beleive that the economic gains (if any) realized due to a handfull of bikers is more significant than the safety of hundreds of pedestrians who are visiting and spending money ? What a pity. I am also kind of amazed that, with all of the things both important and sometimes silly that are debated on this board, nothing was ever mentioned about this (forgive me if I missed something). I for one will be complaining to Terry Reidy and our Council. Complaining about what? They ae increasing the allowed hours. Werner As a side note - several tens of thousand dollars were recently spent to create bike lanes around town. They are not used except for the occational hard-core/spandexed/helmeted biker. I've seen about 6 in the past six months. More wasted public funds and visual clutter from strips and signs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
First off, it's not a handful of cyclists. There are quite a few of us who enjoy riding on the boardwalk. I've never seen a single incident involving a pedestrian and bicyclist. I have however, seen bicyclist's have troubles with cars, particularly at night. It is absolutely absurd to think that I can't ride my bike on the boardwalk at 11 pm, when there is hardly anybody to contend with, and even if there were, in my experience the vast majority of cyclists are both responsible and courteous. Even worse, I can't imagine how AP would be willing to dedicate police resources to enforce this while at the same time my neighborhood is overrun with prostitutes, drunks and drug dealers. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Bikes and pedestrians on the boardwalk do not mix. It is a miracle that no one has been injured. It is a disgrace that the people in charge of Asbury's boardwalk and pavilions have done so little to enhance the boardwalk and it's pavilions to make Asbury even more attractive for tourists and everyday beach goers than it already is. Instead, we have bikes on the boardwalk at all hours and count them, 3 bars in full operation on the boardwalk. I believe, and Werner can confirm or deny, that when James Bradley handed the city his boardwalk he provided for zero alcohol on it, and the avenues remaining open space. The idea of Asbury being a place to come for peace and quiet, health and meditation has kind of been usurped wernerapnj wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that between your reply and the one prior to it there are different points of view on just what was allowed and what has changed... So apparently others here are both misinformed and making incorrect assumptions, too. Points of view, Assumptions, etc, lead to bad conclusions. The facts are what they are - Biking is prohibited except from 6am to 9am. Biking and pedestrian activities are incompatible, which is the reason for limiting bikes to certain hours. The Council is moving to extend those hours, not reduce them, as a compromise. Bottom line is that I really think this is too bad. Unfortunate for the town. This move eliminates something that was both highly desireable and differentiating for AP and just simply a lot of fun. As a marketing professional I am truly amazed. We want people to come back and check out AP then take away something that was getting them here. As a marketing professional you really beleive that the economic gains (if any) realized due to a handfull of bikers is more significant than the safety of hundreds of pedestrians who are visiting and spending money ? What a pity. I am also kind of amazed that, with all of the things both important and sometimes silly that are debated on this board, nothing was ever mentioned about this (forgive me if I missed something). I for one will be complaining to Terry Reidy and our Council. Complaining about what? They ae increasing the allowed hours. Werner As a side note - several tens of thousand dollars were recently spent to create bike lanes around town. They are not used except for the occational hard-core/spandexed/helmeted biker. I've seen about 6 in the past six months. More wasted public funds and visual clutter from strips and signs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
I'm sorry, but I disagree about the bicycles. Have you ever been to Wildwood? They have a similar boardwalk to our own, which has a dedicated bike lane. Same goes for the area in Los Angeles known as The Strand. You can't tell me that cycling and pedestrians don't mix in those places, because they have for decades. You're also making an assumption about the responsibility of the cyclists by branding all of us as a potential risk. I guess the problem here is if you're a non-cyclist, you don't know the joy you are missing. As an avid cyclist having worked a good 10 years of my life at The Peddler in Long Branch, I know all about the up's and downs of cycling, and what you may fail to realize is by creating such a huge cycling ban in AP, which includes the entire night, you are forcing us cyclists to contend with the potholes and drivers...and even worse there are quite a few drunken drivers at night in AP. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The facts are what they are - Biking is prohibited except from 6am to 9am. Biking and pedestrian activities are incompatible, which is the reason for limiting bikes to certain hours. The Council is moving to extend those hours, not reduce them, as a compromise. To 12 pm. I like riding my bike on the BW as much as the next person, and I agree that the recent non-enforcement of the EXISTING law drew more people to the BW, whch is good. However, I also realize that 1) a dedicated bike lane on the BW is likely unfeasible, and 2) that when the BW is crowded with pedestrians, the mixture of bikes and people is an accident (and liability) waiting to happen. Some might argue that the council should not have extended the period to 12 pm. I personally think that to 11 AM would be a good compromise and that it should be allowed afterwards as well, say from 6-10pm. In any event, I think the council recognized the added allure of bike riding on the BW and tried to accommodate it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Personally, I'd just like to be able to ride my bike after dark on the boardwalk, when there's hardly anybody there to contend with. I read on here somewhere that the ban is due to some kind of gang activity, and if that's the fact then it's sad that the good guys/girls have to suffer because of a handful of gang members. Honestly, I just want what's best for everybody. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
First hand experience yesterday... I get the wife to go for a bike ride for breakfast - North to an overpriced bfast at Turining Point or to our new place, the Tidesto the Tides we go. Since we had nothing really better to do...we manged to spend $17.00 (plus tip) at the tides - and that's not easy. 1 coffee, fruit salad, mixed crepe, rasberry crepe, potatoes.not bad since we normal just split something (like their blueberry pancakes). Back to the bikes, as we leave, I stop at A.Peddler, borrow an allen wrench and take off. Only to get stopped by a very polite Special officer advising me and the other couple he stopped of the rule. He explained that kids were zipping around the BW, popping wheelies etc and making it unsafe. According to the special officer, in the past they were able to use their discretion in enforcing the law (which is obvious to us old..bikes were never allowed, and for years, unless you had tires of steel, you never would ride the bw) And to give the special officer more credit, when the other couple said there was no sign from Ocean Grove of the time limits (OG you can ride til 10am I think), he said he will bring this up and see that a sign is posted. As for my wife who continued on riding, her comment was if they fixed Ocean Ave,w e woudln't ride the BW. And as for AP Peddler, his biz is a great one, if the towns would have a nice bike path along the entire oceanfront from AP South or north. Deal has a nice bike lane and either side of the road. I did see a sign that it was for sale for $200k. He is also selling his bikes for $200 a piece. To make a real go, YOU NEED PEOPLE. The more people, the more bikes to rent. You still couldn't run anyone over yesterday @ 10am unless you really had it in you. Nothing beats riding a bike along the ocean. Did it today from my house to the end of the LB BW and back. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- I've tried posting this a couple times, so here's a breif version... I got stopped yesterday on the BW with the bike around 10:15 after eating at the tides. The special officer was nice and said that it was at their discretion, as kids were causing problems popping wheelies and running into people and there were some injuries. The other couple said there were no signs coming in from OG, and he said he bring this up and see signs are posted at the OG side. The AP Peddlar did have s for sale sign in the store for $200k. A great concept, we need a bike lane that extends all the wa to Manasquan that runs along Ocean Ave. Nothing beat a ride along the Ocean. To the Peddler we ride down the LB oceanfront. I guess the fear of riding the BW at night is gone. Always thought you'd get jumped. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
I must agree that for the most part, the AP police are nice, kind and courteous. I commend them big time for that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- I've tried posting this a couple times, so here's a breif version... I got stopped yesterday on the BW with the bike around 10:15 after eating at the tides. The special officer was nice and said that it was at their discretion, as kids were causing problems popping wheelies and running into people and there were some injuries. The other couple said there were no signs coming in from OG, and he said he bring this up and see signs are posted at the OG side. The AP Peddlar did have s for sale sign in the store for $200k. A great concept, we need a bike lane that extends all the wa to Manasquan that runs along Ocean Ave. Nothing beat a ride along the Ocean. To the Peddler we ride down the LB oceanfront. I guess the fear of riding the BW at night is gone. Always thought you'd get jumped. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
I'm looking at all this from afar, and I can understand how sometimes rules have to be made in order to prevent the potentialabuse of a situation by even one person. Life is full of rules like that, and it harkens back to what is so often said by teachers in school--"It's a shame that one ofyou has to spoil it for all the rest." If Asbury really does become a busy place, I can see where at one point people (both tourists and residents of all of the proposed condos) fighting for right of way on the boardwalk, and enforcing things now seems to me to be a wise decision.Why can't they make some kind of bicycle lane, similar to the Pinellas trail in Florida, or the bicycle lanes in Germany? I have lived in all three places, andthis seems to me like a reasonablealternative to a total ban. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
You make some good points. I too spent quite a bit of time in Europe, mostly in Germany and Holland, and it always blew me away to see dedicated bike roads and the diversity of people using their bikes for more then recreation. I have an enduring image of a women of at least 70 returning home from grocery shopping on her bike. I used to work in the music biz in Europe, and I always marveled at the swarm of bikes parked outside the venues I worked in. I truely believe America would greatly benefit from embracing bicycles more the way Europe does. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at all this from afar, and I can understand how sometimes rules have to be made in order to prevent the potential abuse of a situation by even one person. Life is full of rules like that, and it harkens back to what is so often said by teachers in school--It's a shame that one of you has to spoil it for all the rest. If Asbury really does become a busy place, I can see where at one point people (both tourists and residents of all of the proposed condos) fighting for right of way on the boardwalk, and enforcing things now seems to me to be a wise decision. Why can't they make some kind of bicycle lane, similar to the Pinellas trail in Florida, or the bicycle lanes in Germany? I have lived in all three places, and this seems to me like a reasonable alternative to a total ban. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
How about a separate trail altogether? __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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Had a wacky computer moment...how about a trail that runs from town to town along the ocean. I used to walk from Asbury to Belmar. A bicycle trail would be great, where you could actually go places. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had a wacky computer moment...how about a trail that runs from town to town along the ocean. I used to walk from Asbury to Belmar. A bicycle trail would be great, where you could actually go places. If I recall correctly, the PLAN is supposed to promote AP as a bike/walk friendly city discouraging the use of cars (Duany's rationale for minimizing parking spaces). I forget if there are provisions for bike lanes. That of course assumes we even get streets considering the snail's pace of the infrastructure build out. Today they hit a gas main. Well at least it wasn't in the senior citizen's center again. There's a bike lane on Grand. Should be on every north/south avenue with traffic calming measures incorporated and enforced. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... You're also making an assumption about the responsibility of the cyclists by branding all of us as a potential risk. Bad assumption on your part - The risk is from the clash of pedestrians and cyclists. The elderly, hearing/vision impaired, young children, the able bodied and alert adults all co-mingle on the boardwalk. A cyclist can be the most alert professional possible and still have someone step/run into his path and be injured. The same reasoning is behind the rules prohibiting cyclists from public sidewalks. I guess the problem here is if you're a non-cyclist, you don't know the joy you are missing. As an avid cyclist having worked a good 10 years of my life at The Peddler in Long Branch, I know all about the up's and downs of cycling, and what you may fail to realize is by creating such a huge cycling ban in AP, No one is creating a ban, the hours for biking are being expanded. which includes the entire night, you are forcing us cyclists to contend with the potholes and drivers...and even worse there are quite a few drunken drivers at night in AP. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
YES WILDWOOD HAS A DEDICATED BIKE LANE ON THE BOARDWALK. YOU MAY RIDE UNTIL 11AM WEEKDAYS AND 1030AM ON WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
First off, they hours which were first retracted, and now being expanded only benefit the people who don't work for a living. I work from 9am until at least 5pm M-F. So do quite a few of us. The expansion does us no good at all. I was just at the boardwalk. There's hardly anybody there. I'm not talking about riding during beach hours, i'm talking about when things have quieted down, like now. I agree that bicycling should be restricted between 9am and 6pm. Do you live close to the boardwalk? If so, go take a walk there now. I see lot's of wide open boardwalk, with plenty of room for both the bicycles and pedestrians to happily co-exist. I've been riding my bike for over 40 years all over the world and I have yet to have someone walk in front of me causing a collision. I've ridden thru the streets of NYC, London, Berlin and many other places and things work just fine. Are you a cyclist? If so, how often do you ride? If not, when was the last time you rode you bike? Furthermore, I never ride my bike on the sidewalk, and I always ride with traffic, not against. I even taught bike safety classes about 10 years ago, and i'm vigilant about letting younger cyclists know what's right and wrong. You know, since our country became so damn lawsuit hungry, much of the activity known as fun has been dwindling away, because we're taking the responsibility away from people who want to have this fun because of the fear of getting sued. You and I should go bike riding sometime. You'd have fun, see new things, smell new things and get some fresh air. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: ... You're also making an assumption about the responsibility of the cyclists by branding all of us as a potential risk. Bad assumption on your part - The risk is from the clash of pedestrians and cyclists. The elderly, hearing/vision impaired, young children, the able bodied and alert adults all co-mingle on the boardwalk. A cyclist can be the most alert professional possible and still have someone step/run into his path and be injured. The same reasoning is behind the rules prohibiting cyclists from public sidewalks. I guess the problem here is if you're a non-cyclist, you don't know the joy you are missing. As an avid cyclist having worked a good 10 years of my life at The Peddler in Long Branch, I know all about the up's and downs of cycling, and what you may fail to realize is by creating such a huge cycling ban in AP, No one is creating a ban, the hours for biking are being expanded. which includes the entire night, you are forcing us cyclists to contend with the potholes and drivers...and even worse there are quite a few drunken drivers at night in AP. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
IV'E HAD A LITTLE GIRL RUN DOWN BUT FORTUNATLY NOT INJURED. DAY OF THE ASBURY 5K 2004. __._,_.___ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
I would never use a bike lane that shares the street with cars in this country. Drivers are just not aware of bikes the way that they are in Europe. In Italy, everyone shares the street, but of course, there are mostly scooters there, and few bikes. Drivers are accustomed too being aware of everything while they drive. In Germany, there is a specially colored part of the sidewalkfor bikes, so they do not mingle with cars for the most part.And cyclists have to obey all of the traffic signals, and keep their bikes up to code with headlights and reflectors. In Pinellas County, FL, there is a trail that spans several towns, and you can actually travel to places without a car. It is open to both pedestrians and bikes. It even goes through woods and over highways! I just think that a trail along the shore would be really cool. Much the same it would allow people to go from town to town without mingling with cars which isdeadly and who needs the carbon monoxide? __._,_.___ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a separate trail altogether? Another failure in Asbury Park's redevelopment planning. There was ample opportunity in the design phase to create a seperate dedicated bike lane between the sidewalk and and traffic/parking lanes of Ocean Avenue. One would think that it's an obvious task considering that the redevelopment plan praises itself as bicycle friendly As with most things in this redevelopment another mistake and misrepresentation. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
LOOK WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, DIG UP SOME OLD PHOTOS, TALK TO OLDTIMERS, USE SOME COMMON SENSE. IT'S A BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
ALL WELL AND GOOD FOR GERMANY AND EUROPE AS A WHOLE, BUT ASK YOURSELF WHAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM HERE, AND COULD THEIR RULES OF LAW ON JUVINILE PROSECUTION BE THE REASON YOU ARE ABLE TO PERCIEVE THEIR CIVILIZED APPROACH TO BIKING. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
BIKES GOT TO GO WERNER! __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Well, that's a good point, and I in return ask you this. Why can't we begin to apply the same sensiblities here? They do it in Seattle and Portland Oregon. Personally, I think that we have a prime opportunity here in AP for some progressive thinking in this area. I'm saddened that bicycles are though of more like toys then viable transportation, and I think it's been a few decades since bicycling has been widely promoted and taught responsibily in New Jersey's school systems. My biggest evidence of this is how many kids I see riding toward traffic, not with. That in itself is a very dangerous thing, because as a driver, we are taught to look to the left when entering the road, and if a cyclist is coming at you on the right it's a dangerous situation. That being said, do you think the right thing to do is just leave things as they are, or try something new? One poster keeps coming at me about how even the most resposible cyclist may still be at risk for a collision with a pedestrian, and sure, accidents do happen. But they are accidents and it doesn't mean that because of a few isolated incidents, and they are isolated...that we should penalize everybody. Why don't we try something new, like a little education and awareness? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ALL WELL AND GOOD FOR GERMANY AND EUROPE AS A WHOLE, BUT ASK YOURSELF WHAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM HERE, AND COULD THEIR RULES OF LAW ON JUVINILE PROSECUTION BE THE REASON YOU ARE ABLE TO PERCIEVE THEIR CIVILIZED APPROACH TO BIKING. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Well, I can see you are very skilled in the use of capital letters. But, what I don't get is this. You are right...it's a board WALK. And it's a great one. I love it. But go down there right now7:31 pm and you'll notice that there's very very few people walking there. It's a wide open landscape, with plenty of room for both bikes and walkers. What i'm not hearing here is any form of cooperation...you just want to relegate all of us cyclists to the dirty streets, filled with potholes, and broken glass, and rude drivers that don't respect us. If the boardwalk was filled with people, I'd agree with you, but it's not. Furthermore, I don't understand at all why I can't ride my bike there later in the evening, say after 9 pm when the boardwalk is deserted. Why can't they just change the hours to say bike riding is allowed from 9 pm to 9 am. Do you see a problem in that? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOOK WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, DIG UP SOME OLD PHOTOS, TALK TO OLDTIMERS, USE SOME COMMON SENSE. IT'S A BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Exactly. Your's is the kind of thinking we need. I'm fully prepared to continue to be attacked about this. Bring it on. But, I just want to say one thing. I agree that bicycles aren't respected like they are in Europe. Is it impossible to change that here in the USA? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But go down there right now7:31 pm and you'll notice that there's very very few people walking there. It's a wide open landscape, with plenty of room for both bikes and walkers. What i'm not hearing here is any form of cooperation...you just want to relegate all of us cyclists to the dirty streets, filled with potholes, and broken glass, and rude drivers that don't respect us. Taking this a bit personally eh. If you were at the Council Meetings you would know that the topic came up as a request to create a bike lane. The issue was raised that the current ordinance is not enforced so how can the City's resources be expected to enforce a bike lane. The compromise was to extend the hours by ordinance and enforce it to see how it goes. The bike lane concept will be reexamined in the future. Although this was discussed in front of the public it was at the Work Session and public comment was not permitted. Unfortunately many issues are handled this way. Yes, there are times when biking would probably not be a problem. Times of day, season of the year, beachfront events, etc, would all play a role in an appropriate schedule. Unfortunately the City's resources are limited and the simple compromise of extending the hours was agreed to. I hope that clarifies things for you and any other interested folks. No one is being Anti-Biker its just that the City has more at stake such as enforcement, liability, available resources, etc. Of course, cycleing needs could all have been addressed in a comprehensive manner off the boardwalk, within the redevelopment plan. It was not. Werner If the boardwalk was filled with people, I'd agree with you, but it's not. Furthermore, I don't understand at all why I can't ride my bike there later in the evening, say after 9 pm when the boardwalk is deserted. Why can't they just change the hours to say bike riding is allowed from 9 pm to 9 am. Do you see a problem in that? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rabbott128@ wrote: LOOK WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, DIG UP SOME OLD PHOTOS, TALK TO OLDTIMERS, USE SOME COMMON SENSE. IT'S A BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Werner, I both respect and appreciate your comments. I only recently moved to Asbury, and I honestly never thought of myself as being an activist of any sort. Since moving here and getting a taste of the way things happen, I found myself more and more compelled to speak my voice, and get involved anyway I can. I've never been to a council meeting and I definitely want to attend one. I love Asbury. I grew up in the Shore area, living in Eatontown, Long Branch and Allenhurst, and during my life Asbury has always been a place i've loved. I truely miss the Asbury of old. When I was a baby, I was in the baby parade at least once that I can remember. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: But go down there right now7:31 pm and you'll notice that there's very very few people walking there. It's a wide open landscape, with plenty of room for both bikes and walkers. What i'm not hearing here is any form of cooperation...you just want to relegate all of us cyclists to the dirty streets, filled with potholes, and broken glass, and rude drivers that don't respect us. Taking this a bit personally eh. If you were at the Council Meetings you would know that the topic came up as a request to create a bike lane. The issue was raised that the current ordinance is not enforced so how can the City's resources be expected to enforce a bike lane. The compromise was to extend the hours by ordinance and enforce it to see how it goes. The bike lane concept will be reexamined in the future. Although this was discussed in front of the public it was at the Work Session and public comment was not permitted. Unfortunately many issues are handled this way. Yes, there are times when biking would probably not be a problem. Times of day, season of the year, beachfront events, etc, would all play a role in an appropriate schedule. Unfortunately the City's resources are limited and the simple compromise of extending the hours was agreed to. I hope that clarifies things for you and any other interested folks. No one is being Anti-Biker its just that the City has more at stake such as enforcement, liability, available resources, etc. Of course, cycleing needs could all have been addressed in a comprehensive manner off the boardwalk, within the redevelopment plan. It was not. Werner If the boardwalk was filled with people, I'd agree with you, but it's not. Furthermore, I don't understand at all why I can't ride my bike there later in the evening, say after 9 pm when the boardwalk is deserted. Why can't they just change the hours to say bike riding is allowed from 9 pm to 9 am. Do you see a problem in that? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rabbott128@ wrote: LOOK WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, DIG UP SOME OLD PHOTOS, TALK TO OLDTIMERS, USE SOME COMMON SENSE. IT'S A BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner, I both respect and appreciate your comments. I only recently moved to Asbury, and I honestly never thought of myself as being an activist of any sort. This town will make you an activist or stark raving mad. BTW, I forgot if you said earlier tha you were stopped by a special officer after beach hours. Ordinarily I think you would be safe (from ticketing) riding your bike after hours on the bw. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner, I both respect and appreciate your comments. Thank You. I only recently moved to Asbury, and I honestly never thought of myself as being an activist of any sort. Since moving here and getting a taste of the way things happen, I found myself more and more compelled to speak my voice, and get involved anyway I can. Asbury Park has a way of grabbing you if you let it. By all means, we need more people to get directly involved. Be careful though it has driven more that one person mad :-) I've never been to a council meeting and I definitely want to attend one. I love Asbury. Come to every meeting you can. Council, Planning Board, Zoning Board in particular. Only then will you begin to see what really goes on. I grew up in the Shore area, living in Eatontown, Long Branch and Allenhurst, and during my life Asbury has always been a place i've loved. I truely miss the Asbury of old. When I was a baby, I was in the baby parade at least once that I can remember. By way of introduction, I have been here since 1978, became involved in City affairs, redevelopment meetings, founded the Historical Society, was appointed City Historian and most recently was excommunicated for all my efforts. Ive probably attended more meetings than anyone alive at this time. Would love to hear your recollections and perspective some time. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] RE: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Hi All, I'm more of a reader on this board than a poster, but I just wanted to bring something up that makes no sense to me. Last night, my wife and I went for a bike ride on the boardwalk and one of Fishman's workers yelled at us for riding our bikes through the casino. Now we would be more than happy to ride on the street, but it's under construction. This guy had no clue. Does anyone know what the rules are? Why would you stop the bikers who spend money on the boardwalk? Shops will close down and we will then be back to square one. Who will spend money at the shops? The crack heads at Howard Johnson? I bike lane would be great, but the current construction prevents this on the street. Any thoughts or feedback? Marc Elia 4th Ave Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [AsburyPark] RE: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Marc, I have raised the topic of a bike lane on the boardwalk with both our City Manager and the Director of Public Works. I hope to have some clarity on this soon after my taking office on July 1st. Peace, JWK Jim Keady AP Councilman-Elect 1 Municipal Plaza Asbury Park, NJ 07712 www.cityofasburypark.com -Original Message- From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chooseorlose3636 Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 2:57 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] RE: Bikes on the Boardwalk Hi All, I'm more of a reader on this board than a poster, but I just wanted to bring something up that makes no sense to me. Last night, my wife and I went for a bike ride on the boardwalk and one of Fishman's workers yelled at us for riding our bikes through the casino. Now we would be more than happy to ride on the street, but it's under construction. This guy had no clue. Does anyone know what the rules are? Why would you stop the bikers who spend money on the boardwalk? Shops will close down and we will then be back to square one. Who will spend money at the shops? The crack heads at Howard Johnson? I bike lane would be great, but the current construction prevents this on the street. Any thoughts or feedback? Marc Elia 4th Ave Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
