[AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote: You ARE a NEWBIE, if you don't know that I was also, on the Wesley Lake Commission, too and since you DIDn't know which BoardS I sat on, I certainly won't tell YOU! You're right, that Madonnas sat 1 block back, but I've only been there once, before they tore it down! You're so SMART. YOU figure it out! Newbie! gee thanks for telling me im right, newbie, babie, dont care what yoou call me was just trying to be factual, as far as the wesley lake commission, probably not 2 people in town who could tell you whos on it without looking it up, all including you deserve credit for giving of your time, as far as my question which board, since you added the s i guess it wasnt adjustments, if 41 years makes me a newbie so be it, peace It was the board of adjustment or zoning board from 97-99 and I wasn't replaced at first, but eventually by an alternate. The board was very quiet back then, only the parties involved attended to see if in fact they needed a variance or use change, which weren't too many. The most problems we had if any, were with these 501c3's posing as churches. Now I hear, the Zoning Board meetings are getting as raucaus as the Council meetings. Received a private email, detailing how the gays hate blacks, don't want them around, can't wait to be rid of them, etc. These allegations were overheard in private conversations, etc. Don't know how true they are and I will consider them hearsay, since I haven't experienced it, one on one. I've never felt any hostility from anyone Gay or otherwise in this town, so I was taken aback by the statements. Don't want to rile anyone up, but what is the feelings of the Gay Community, since I live in a traditional relationship, adult children and grandchildren. Do Gay people, not want Blacks around? Do Gays cry discrimination, while they also discriminate? No, 41 years, do not a newbie make. The statements you made, made me believe that you're either not in touch with what really goes on here, or like many residents anywhere, consider actions that involve you, directly. I don't get involved in school board issues anymore, because I don't have small children or grandkids in the school system. I feel that parents and those who feel their tax dollars aren't being spent on the things that enrich children, should be involved. I can't understand that a small town, can't manage its' costs or programs. Where does educational enrichment, begin? Where is the old love of learning? Don't seem to be here, since the board and the administration are at odds, but no one says why! What's the real reason for the rift? Saw in the newspaper, that Lewis is fed up with the board and it with him! The kids, are the ones who suffer. Not getting into that, because there's something else going on. I consider a newbie, someone who hasn't been here for at least 10 years, don't know or care about anyone except, that things aren't like where they came from and are perpetual whiners about why! People who are familiar with how Asbury is run, know the deal and why. There's a lot that can be fixed but politicians being who they are, talk a good game, while doing nothing. Are the politicians in this town, enriching themselves? Who knows? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I hear, the Zoning Board meetings are getting as raucaus as the Council meetings. Received a private email, detailing how the gays hate blacks, don't want them around, can't wait to be rid of them, etc. These allegations were overheard in private conversations, etc. Don't know how true they are and I will consider them hearsay, since I haven't experienced it, one on one. Sharon, I expect that you are getting that email from Steve. I have received a few myself in the past few days in which he outlines the gay conspiracy to take over AP. There is more. He suggests that Mayor has a construction contract with the redevelopment. I told him if he had proof to present it since that would be a conflict of interest at minimum. Those are serious allegations against both the Mayor and the gay community. Do not fall prey to the divide and conquer talk. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], In reference to your comment: Received a private email, detailing how the gays hate blacks, don't want them around, can't wait to be rid of them, etc. These allegations were overheard in private conversations, etc. Don't know how true they are and I will consider them hearsay, since I haven't experienced it, one on one. I've never felt any hostility from anyone Gay or otherwise in this town, so I was taken aback by the statements. Don't want to rile anyone up, but what is the feelings of the Gay Community, since I live in a traditional relationship, adult children and grandchildren. Do Gay people, not want Blacks around? Do Gays cry discrimination, while they also discriminate? My 2 cents: In my experience, coming of age in the sixties, there was a healthy and productive alliance among Jews, Blacks,gays and academics. Most civil rights advances were accomplished by that alliance. (Those poor whites who are racists turned "right" after LBJ's Civil Rights Act in 1964, continue to be part of that "base," and continue to vote against their economic interests.) If that alliance is weakening, it's due in part to schizophrenic voices (e.g., AsburySteve) which are unproductive and divisive. When the Nazis came for the communists,I remained silent;I was not a communist.When they locked up the social democrats,I remained silent;I was not a social democrat.When they came for the trade unionists,I did not speak out;I was not a trade unionist.When they came for the Jews,I did not speak out;I was not a Jew.When they came for me,there was no one left to speak out. Pastor Martin Niemöller Boilerplate:Fair and Balanced (unlike FUX News) links from a liberal Democrat--Cool Republican Links: Christine Todd Whitman: See especially "Quotes" here -Christine Todd Whitman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and her PAC It's My Party Too: Home , Supports fiscally conservative, socially inclusive Republican candidates. Its mission is toreturn the Republican Party to the sensible center.Even a cool neo-conservative:FRANCIS FUKUYAMANew York Press William F. Buckley, the Father of Modern Conservatism: American Conservative Union Foundation, author of"The Right Word."He had the integrity to admit toa few regrets, "most notably his magazine's opposition to civil rights legislation in the 1960s."Pete McCloskey, former congressman: Republican Says We Need a Democrat Majority in Congress Andrew Sullivan, self-acknowledged gay Catholic conservative:Andrew Sullivan | The Daily Dish ---And Out of the Blue:Click here: BuyBlue.org | Vote With Your Wallet!Click here: The Huffington Post Click here: White House Gift Shop: Officious Presidential Gear : CafePress.com (pushing the envelope)Rabbi Harold Kushner, liberal theologian, author of When Bad Things Happen to Good People: Amazon.com Books: harold kushnerCommonweal - A review of religion, politics and culture: Journal of Liberal Catholic Theology.Click here: Air America Radio | The antidote to Rush and other Hate Talk RadioClick here: Liberty's Blog: Eventually they'll want a piece of you, Chris Chris Rock on weird white guys.Original Message __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
Sorry 'bout those links in my last post. They are not mine; I copied the passage from Wikipedia; When the Nazis came for the communists, To sharon_b283, One additional point: If you've ever been in any of the so-called "gay ghettos" (neighborhoods in San Francisco, NYC, Philadelphia, etc.), you might have noticed that they are among the most integrated neighborhoods in the country, and they thrive--together. Boilerplate:Fair and Balanced (unlike FUX News) links from a liberal Democrat--Cool Republican Links: Christine Todd Whitman: See especially "Quotes" here -Christine Todd Whitman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and her PAC It's My Party Too: Home , Supports fiscally conservative, socially inclusive Republican candidates. Its mission is toreturn the Republican Party to the sensible center.Even a cool neo-conservative:FRANCIS FUKUYAMANew York Press William F. Buckley, the Father of Modern Conservatism: American Conservative Union Foundation, author of"The Right Word."He had the integrity to admit toa few regrets, "most notably his magazine's opposition to civil rights legislation in the 1960s."Pete McCloskey, former congressman: Republican Says We Need a Democrat Majority in Congress Andrew Sullivan, self-acknowledged gay Catholic conservative:Andrew Sullivan | The Daily Dish ---And Out of the Blue:Click here: BuyBlue.org | Vote With Your Wallet!Click here: The Huffington Post Click here: White House Gift Shop: Officious Presidential Gear : CafePress.com (pushing the envelope)Rabbi Harold Kushner, liberal theologian, author of When Bad Things Happen to Good People: Amazon.com Books: harold kushnerCommonweal - A review of religion, politics and culture: Journal of Liberal Catholic Theology.Click here: Air America Radio | The antidote to Rush and other Hate Talk RadioClick here: Liberty's Blog: Eventually they'll want a piece of you, Chris Chris Rock on weird white guys.Original Message __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You ARE a NEWBIE, if you don't know that I was also, on the Wesley Lake Commission, too and since you DIDn't know which BoardS I sat on, I certainly won't tell YOU! You're right, that Madonnas sat 1 block back, but I've only been there once, before they tore it down! You're so SMART. YOU figure it out! Newbie! gee thanks for telling me im right, newbie, babie, dont care what yoou call me was just trying to be factual, as far as the wesley lake commission, probably not 2 people in town who could tell you whos on it without looking it up, all including you deserve credit for giving of your time, as far as my question which board, since you added the s i guess it wasnt adjustments, if 41 years makes me a newbie so be it, peace Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote: I find it irresponsible and reprehensible, when lies are spread and cause panic amongst individuals who don't check their facts first, before they speak, then rather than say, I was mis-informed, give you ten other reasons, why they think they are STILL right! I posed the question about where the 7 other shelters in Asbury Park ARE, because I KNEW they didn't exist! A soup kitchen does not make a shelter. I have a friend who serves the homeless at her church on the West-Side, ONCE a month and that's ALL they do. For the 29 other days or 30, with months having 31 days, the homeless, have to flop, elsewhere! The Mission will be on a MAIN thoroughfare, just as the Salvation Army, Sisters of Mercy and the Center, ARE! The Center was in Asbury Park, prior to 1996, for all you newbies, out there and if it wasn't, it SHOULD have been! Sharon, I don't know how many times one has to admit there are no per se homeless shelters in AP before it sinks in. If you think there is a case for fraud then I suggest you bring charges. If you think there are not many places that serve the homeless in AP then you are kidding yourself. I am not going to continue to defend the flier.The truth of the matter is AP has MANY social services, more than its fair share, which includes homeless services. I spend my time walking my dog in Library Square picking up their and others refuse. I'll chalk up the food and wrappers to squirrels, rats or other four legged creatures. The wine, beer and liquor bottles are from the two-legged variety.You throw that word NEWBIE around quite often in your posts and I find it offensive. There's no seniority around here, get used to it. Well, tell that to the poster, Mr. Vail, who started this LIE about our City! When I say Our City, I am referring to those residents, who have been here through the long haul of Asbury Park, getting back on its' feet. I realize also, that Asbury Park, WAS the dumping ground for all of the refuse nobody in Neptune, Bradley Beach, Avon, Interlaken, Deal, want to look at! Hey, ask the City Council, the people you pay your PROPERTY TAXES, to, WHY there is so much trash and refuse on the streets! They have municipal workers, so whose job is it to clear the debris? Also, why can't residents, just PICK IT UP, if you or they, are so quality of life, conscious. There's NO refuse in front of my domicile and if there happens to be some, it's picked up! Daily! I thought that a homeowner/renter, was responsible for the appearance of their surroundings. Everywhere, I've lived, there never was a scrap of paper or any of the things you describe. Why? I policed my own property. If anyone has any pride about oneself, that's what they do! It's what makes a neighborhood/street/area, desirable. A swept and clean street, tells you something about the residents, there. That's what I thought, anyway. Back to Vail, he described Asbury Park as a festering, cess-pool, filled with innuendo about the 7 shelters, the failure of the Zoning Board, who incidentally voted AGAINST the Mission, only to have a Judge, overturn THEIR decision! So tell it to the Judge, already! The same thing happened when I was a member of the Board of Adjustment. At one session, the Assemblyman, The Catholic Church and those FOR thier issue, turned up and I knew something was up, seeing all of those heavies, in attendance. We were threatened with the SAME thing, taking their issue to court and having our negative decision overturned. We too, caved in and gave the group, what they wanted. Really didn't have much choice, as judges, use Asbury Park, as their whipping boy, when places like Holmdel, wouldn't have it in their district! Money talks! Can't say what the issue was, because I don't want to churn that up again! When I sat on the board, I learned that Asbury Park has more 501c3's than ANY area around here! Non-Profits, do NOT bring in tax revenue and this was at a time when Asbury Park was DE- pressed! As far as referencing some posters as newbies, I'm not backing down, because it is obvious, they DON'T know this area, its' history OR it's long-time residents! People who have lived here at least 10 years, have seen Asbury Park evolve from virtually NOTHING into a vibrant, living, forward moving and exciting environment, even with the Palace, gone! Even with the beautiful theatres, clubs, all gone! There's virtually no Black restaurants, bars around here, like the Saturn, Oasis, Orchid Lounge, Madonnas, etc., because they were either burned out or bought out, in the case of the Saturn Club on Main St. Madonnas was located where City Hall, is. The Oasis is closed on 1st Ave. The Orchid burned down a few years ago on Springwood
[AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, ask the City Council, the people you pay your PROPERTY TAXES, to, WHY there is so much trash and refuse on the streets! They have municipal workers, so whose job is it to clear the debris? Also, why can't residents, just PICK IT UP, if you or they, are so quality of life I ask myself the samequestion. I think you willfind mostnewbies do pick it up. Personally, I pay others to mow my grass and pick up trash when I am not here. While I have no factual basis, I am beginning to think there is a great deal of fat to cut on city payrolls. Back to Vail, he described Asbury Park as a festering, cess-pool When? Can you show me that? When I sat on the board, I learned that Asbury Park has more 501c3's than ANY area around here! Non-Profits, do NOT bring in tax revenue and this was at a time when Asbury Park was DE-pressed! Exactly the point of SUFA. As far as referencing some posters as newbies, I'm not backing down, because it is obvious, they DON'T know this area, its' history OR it's long-time residents! People who have lived here at least 10 years, have seen Asbury Park evolve from virtually NOTHING into a vibrant, living, forward moving and exciting environment, even with the Palace, gone! Even with the beautiful theatres, clubs, all gone! And? What difference does that make? Your term is derogatory. Newbies came and put their hard-earned money at risk in this city.H Had they not, AP would still be back in the times you describe. There's virtually no Black restaurants, bars around here, like the Saturn, Oasis, Orchid Lounge, Madonnas, etc., because they were either burned out or bought out, in the case of the Saturn Club on Main St. Madonnas was located where City Hall, is. The Oasis is closed on 1st Ave. The Orchid burned down a few years ago on Springwood and Memorial Drive and The Turf Lounge sits empty on Springwood and Atkins Ave. Sure, a new Black restaurant opened on Bond St., but Carribean food is not my culture and a new restaurant just opened on Asbury Ave., but Haitian is not my culture, either. Are you suggesting a white conspiracy? You do african-americans who HAVE opened a business here a disservice. How about Soul Mates on Cookman? What about Mr. Fashion who never left? People in this forum, who use coded speech and fear tactics, don't realize how racist and bigoted their views are, because they excuse themselves, when others see them for what they really are! Now you figure it out. The only onesusing coded speech are you, Steve and Cathy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], In reference to your comment: When I sat on the board, I learned that Asbury Park has more 501c3's than ANY area around here! Non-Profits, do NOT bring in tax revenue . I want to reiterate Dan's response: "Exactly the point [one of their points] of SUFA," and that's a crucial point that shouldbe emphasized. I've tried in the past to find out exactly what percentage of AP property is tax exempt and how that compares with other towns. No one ever gets back to me on this. As far as referencing some posters as "newbies", I'm not backing down, because it is obvious, they DON'T know this area,. Since 1966: Been here, done that, and really do have the T-shirt (from Kate Mellina's old store). There's virtually no Black restaurants, bars around here, like the Saturn, Oasis, Orchid Lounge, I remember the Orchid Lounge fondly. Also, Sonny's Restaurant on Cookman had great food and, on weekends, good entertainment. I was surprised when they closed not too long ago. Boilerplate:Fair and Balanced links from a liberal Democrat--Cool Republican Links: Christine Todd Whitman: See especially "Quotes" here -Christine Todd Whitman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and her PAC It's My Party Too: Home , Supports fiscally conservative, socially inclusive Republican candidates. Its mission is toreturn the Republican Party to the sensible center.Even a cool neo-conservative:FRANCIS FUKUYAMANew York Press William F. Buckley, the Father of Modern Conservatism: American Conservative Union Foundation, author of"The Right Word."He had the integrity to admit toa few regrets, "most notably his magazine's opposition to civil rights legislation in the 1960s."Pete McCloskey, former congressman: Republican Says We Need a Democrat Majority in Congress Andrew Sullivan, self-acknowledged gay Catholic conservative:Andrew Sullivan | The Daily Dish ---And Out of the Blue: Click here: BuyBlue.org | Vote With Your Wallet! Click here: The Huffington Post Click here: White House Gift Shop: Officious Presidential Gear : CafePress.com (pushing the envelope )Rabbi Harold Kushner, liberal theologian, author of When Bad Things Happen to Good People: Amazon.com Books: harold kushnerCommonweal - A review of religion, politics and culture: Journal of Liberal Catholic Theology. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote: I find it irresponsible and reprehensible, when lies are spread our City! When I say Our City, I am referring to those residents, who have been here through the long haul of Asbury Park, getting back on its' feet. I realize also, that Asbury Park, WAS the dumping ground for all of the refuse nobody in Neptune, Bradley Beach, Avon, Interlaken, Deal, want to look at! Hey, ask the City up again! When I sat on the board, I learned that Asbury Park has more 501c3's than ANY area around here! Non-Profits, do NOT bring in tax revenue and this was at a time when Asbury Park was DE- pressed! As far as referencing some posters as newbies, I'm not backing down, because it is obvious, they DON'T know this area, its' Madonnas was located where City Hall, is. figure it out. I also find it irresponsible when lies are spread, since you are against the newbies i suggest you get your facts straight, the only thing sitting on where city hall is was the railraod station, a building which should have been saved, madonnas was a block south, if you are going to criticize please be factual, since you SAT ON A BOARD which board? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
You ARE a NEWBIE, if you don't know that I was also, on the Wesley Lake Commission, too and since you DIDn't know which BoardS I sat on, I certainly won't tell YOU! You're right, that Madonnas sat 1 block back, but I've only been there once, before they tore it down! You're so SMART. YOU figure it out! Newbie! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote: I find it irresponsible and reprehensible, when lies are spread our City! When I say Our City, I am referring to those residents, who have been here through the long haul of Asbury Park, getting back on its' feet. I realize also, that Asbury Park, WAS the dumping ground for all of the refuse nobody in Neptune, Bradley Beach, Avon, Interlaken, Deal, want to look at! Hey, ask the City up again! When I sat on the board, I learned that Asbury Park has more 501c3's than ANY area around here! Non-Profits, do NOT bring in tax revenue and this was at a time when Asbury Park was DE- pressed! As far as referencing some posters as newbies, I'm not backing down, because it is obvious, they DON'T know this area, its' Madonnas was located where City Hall, is. figure it out. I also find it irresponsible when lies are spread, since you are against the newbies i suggest you get your facts straight, the only thing sitting on where city hall is was the railraod station, a building which should have been saved, madonnas was a block south, if you are going to criticize please be factual, since you SAT ON A BOARD which board? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
Dear Dan Others: As self serving as this sounds, I make this invitation to all interested. First I would like to point out that my fight for useof the building has had three fronts. One the city. Two the onslaught of the unpaid taxes. Three the alledged mal practise of the lawyer we retained back in the beginning, Peter Falvo, Esq. On Point two: I have a private local supporter keeping us from foreclosure with his own money - so the building is secured and the taxes are being paid until the courts decided that here in Long Branch we should have had the exempt status all along. On Point One: The City and I are heading towards Third Circuit Appeals court this spring and I have reason to believe we will prevail. On Point three: The Falvo Matter. This morning we had to fight off another attempt of the defendant Falvo to gain a dismissal through motion. The Long Branch City Planner certified in support of Falvo's motion, saying that the application we submitted for the class D bulk variance - solely for church use at 162 Broadway (an old boxing club and non profit hall previously) was moot, even though it was flawed, because we were not up to date on our taxes in 1995. This has been the major sticking point in the case. The city is defending it's actions to deny us because they say we screwed up the applications process. The Judge in this hearing this morning ruled that the city planner was; full of it There is an ordinance on the Long Branch books that allow for the them to hear an application as long as those taxes were in fact eventually satisified, if they were even due. This is a major victory for the Lighthouse Mission here in Long Branch. The trial on this issue alone was set for October 30, 2006. HERE IS MY POINT AND MY INVITATION: I agree with you all that Asbury park has more than their fair share of this burden. As a matter of fact, as the City of Long Branch has been trying to convince me to get out of town here, they have always looked to motivate me towards asbury. I truly feel this has been an abuse to Asbury park and an injustice to my ministry. If any of you want to take up the charge to allow my mission to operate in the property it owns so it can service it's fair share here than I would welcome the out cry and the support. I have not come against much of a community and public outcry against me and the mission, it has been solely political powers objecting and their power brokers. Some of you may want to attend out council meetings and tell our city council they need to revisit their attitude and decision on the Lighthouse Mission on lower Broadway. That the denial of our existence has caused an imbalance in the surrounding communities and that it is about time Long Branch took care of it's own problems and stopped railroading busing the problems into other surrounding communities. Of course, if anyone was so inclined I would submit the mission, myself and anything they would need within reason so as to feel completely comfortable with supporting us here. My program for housing is simple. Shelter provided in a dorm setting requires those here to be actively working or looking for work. They have to have a structured plan to end their homelessness and is has to be acted upon. Please feel free to contact me. Rev. Kevin Brown 732.222.6224 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, noblarneyzone jerseykev@ wrote: Hi Dan: Hope all is well with you. I am a little confused by the email you received in regard to attributing to any group of people the highest instigator of HIV. It's has been some time, admittedly, since I had looked at the reports that were generated by State Federal Government. In 2004 I read a fairly interesting private study that indicated in the coastal monmouth area the major concern for the spred of HIV was among intravienious drug users. Hey RevKev, hope you're well too. I don't know if any particular group is or isn't. I would think too that there was a decline among gays and that most new instances are drug users. It doesn't make any difference really to me. I was taken back by the email in that I viewed it as lashing out against the gay community. The person appeared to be knowledgeable about the facilities in that post, which was about HabCore. I don't know if the person is connected with that group. After that email, I hope not. It was written as if I was purposefully not mentioning HIV clinics for the purpose of not criticizing the gay community and that I was part of the group that despised blacks. Well, I guess some of Steve's poison rubbed off on others. I responded that I am neither gay nor do I despise blacks or anyone for that matter, except perhaps Islamic terrorists. I also said that I was only discussing homeless facilities and if I mentioned HIV
[AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, noblarneyzone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dan: Hope all is well with you. I am a little confused by the email you received in regard to attributing to any group of people the highest instigator of HIV. It's has been some time, admittedly, since I had looked at the reports that were generated by State Federal Government. In 2004 I read a fairly interesting private study that indicated in the coastal monmouth area the major concern for the spred of HIV was among intravienious drug users. Again this is 2 years ago. I have been working among the homeless population of Monmouth county since 1990. On a daily basis - more heavily prior to the land use issue I am in with the Long Branch administration. However, I respond to approximately 40 calls per day in all varied need areas. I would have to continue to believe that the same populus group is the highest risk category and not the gay community. This is just my observations. I may add from what I can see, the new case levels of HIV have dropped dramatically and that current cases on the books are more folks who are struggling with this desease greater than 5 years. These are not official figures just my observations. KEVIN BROWN Lighthouse, Long Branch Thanks Rev. Kev., I find it irresponsible and reprehensible, when lies are spread and cause panic amongst individuals who don't check their facts first, before they speak, then rather than say, I was mis-informed, give you ten other reasons, why they think they are STILL right! I posed the question about where the 7 other shelters in Asbury Park ARE, because I KNEW they didn't exist! A soup kitchen does not make a shelter. I have a friend who serves the homeless at her church on the West-Side, ONCE a month and that's ALL they do. For the 29 other days or 30, with months having 31 days, the homeless, have to flop, elsewhere! The Mission will be on a MAIN thoroughfare, just as the Salvation Army, Sisters of Mercy and the Center, ARE! The Center was in Asbury Park, prior to 1996, for all you newbies, out there and if it wasn't, it SHOULD have been! All I can think of, is Jesus, surrounded by sheep, as the Good Shepherd He, IS. Someone is making a good buck, off spreading fear about this Mission. I hope this group is charged with fraud, as they should be! They're like shouting FIRE in a crowded theatre. A real bunch of bigots! You want Utopia? Go to Interlaken in Switzerland, because America refuses to take care of its' own! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it irresponsible and reprehensible, when lies are spread and cause panic amongst individuals who don't check their facts first, before they speak, then rather than say, I was mis-informed, give you ten other reasons, why they think they are STILL right! I posed the question about where the 7 other shelters in Asbury Park ARE, because I KNEW they didn't exist! A soup kitchen does not make a shelter. I have a friend who serves the homeless at her church on the West-Side, ONCE a month and that's ALL they do. For the 29 other days or 30, with months having 31 days, the homeless, have to flop, elsewhere! The Mission will be on a MAIN thoroughfare, just as the Salvation Army, Sisters of Mercy and the Center, ARE! The Center was in Asbury Park, prior to 1996, for all you newbies, out there and if it wasn't, it SHOULD have been! Sharon, I don't know how many times one has to admit there are no per se homeless shelters in AP before it sinks in. If you think there is a case for fraud then I suggest you bring charges. If you think there are not many places that serve the homeless in AP then you are kidding yourself. I am not going to continue to defend the flier.The truth of the matter is AP has MANY social services, more than its fair share, which includes homeless services. I spend my time walking my dog in Library Square picking up their and others refuse. I'll chalk up the food and wrappers to squirrels, rats or other four legged creatures. The wine, beer and liquor bottles are from the two-legged variety.You throw that word NEWBIE around quite often in your posts and I find it offensive. There's no seniority around here, get used to it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Class C Boarding Homes The boarding homes serve 49 people in Red Bank and Asbury Park and are licensed to serve meals and have 24 hour staff coverage to provide an individual level of support for each resident. HABcore achieves a family-like atmosphere through shared tasks, communal dining, an in- etc. I want to share with the forum a private email I received in response to my post above. The first email (which I am not posting) says that the facilities discussed in my post are not emergency housing and do not take walk ins. I responded that I assumed as much and did not intend to portray them as such and I think I made it clear that it is my belief that there are no per se shelters in AP. My point in posting about such facilities is not to judge but to show WHAT AP already has and does. I recieved the following email in response. I will not reveal their name, but needless to say, the tenor and content of the message irks me. Here it is: Fact of the matter, which you didn't seem to mention, was that the biggest original outbreak of HIV/ Aids in the US was in the gay community, which also puts Asbury Park at great risk because of the large amounts of gays practicing anal sex, and migrating here! Maybe that's why there are several Aids places, including the Center here in the city. Maybe the people who despise the blacks should consider that, don't you think? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
Hi Dan: Hope all is well with you. I am a little confused by the email you received in regard to attributing to any group of people the highest instigator of HIV. It's has been some time, admittedly, since I had looked at the reports that were generated by State Federal Government. In 2004 I read a fairly interesting private study that indicated in the coastal monmouth area the major concern for the spred of HIV was among intravienious drug users. Again this is 2 years ago. I have been working among the homeless population of Monmouth county since 1990. On a daily basis - more heavily prior to the land use issue I am in with the Long Branch administration. However, I respond to approximately 40 calls per day in all varied need areas. I would have to continue to believe that the same populus group is the highest risk category and not the gay community. This is just my observations. I may add from what I can see, the new case levels of HIV have dropped dramatically and that current cases on the books are more folks who are struggling with this desease greater than 5 years. These are not official figures just my observations. KEVIN BROWN Lighthouse, Long Branch Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, noblarneyzone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dan: Hope all is well with you. I am a little confused by the email you received in regard to attributing to any group of people the highest instigator of HIV. It's has been some time, admittedly, since I had looked at the reports that were generated by State Federal Government. In 2004 I read a fairly interesting private study that indicated in the coastal monmouth area the major concern for the spred of HIV was among intravienious drug users. Hey RevKev, hope you're well too. I don't know if any particular group is or isn't. I would think too that there was a decline among gays and that most new instances are drug users. It doesn't make any difference really to me. I was taken back by the email in that I viewed it as lashing out against the gay community. The person appeared to be knowledgeable about the facilities in that post, which was about HabCore. I don't know if the person is connected with that group. After that email, I hope not. It was written as if I was purposefully not mentioning HIV clinics for the purpose of not criticizing the gay community and that I was part of the group that despised blacks. Well, I guess some of Steve's poison rubbed off on others. I responded that I am neither gay nor do I despise blacks or anyone for that matter, except perhaps Islamic terrorists. I also said that I was only discussing homeless facilities and if I mentioned HIV clinics, I might as well posted dialysis centers. I think there are many agendas out there. I have none. WHile it may be true that there are no per se homeless shelters in AP, there are a number of facilities that serve the homeless, ranging from managed living, soup kitchens and advisory services. AP also has a number of other social service faciltiies including HIV clinics, a methadone clinic, etc. I make no judgment on any of them. Yes it is our social responsibility to help thos eless fortunate. The point is AP has done more than its fair share and does not need the Market Street Mission or any other shelter that will not screen clients. Its time for other nearby communities to shoulder their fair share. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
Dan's post: : I received the following email in response. I will not reveal their name... "Fact of the matter, which you didn't seem to mention, was that the biggest original outbreak of HIV/ Aids in the US was in the gay community, which also puts Asbury Park at great risk because of the large amounts of gays practicing anal sex, and migrating here!Maybe that's why there are several Aids places, including "the Center" here in the city. Maybe the people who despise the blacks should consider that, don't you think?" Sound like a post from "mog" (man of god?) whom we haven't heard from in months and who I suspect is the same dyspeptic person as YOU KNOWWHO. Linguists have some interesting things to say about people who use "the" in that fashion: "the gays," "the blacks," etc. I say he is full of Canada Goose shit (currently a hot topic in another group). Cordiali saluti, __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sound like a post from mog (man of god?) whom we haven't heard from in months and who I suspect is the same dyspeptic person as YOU KNOW WHO. Linguists have some interesting things to say about people who use the in that fashion: the gays, the blacks, etc. I say he is full of Canada Goose shit (currently a hot topic in another group). Whther it was accurate or not, it was signed with a female name. Maybe GOG (girl of god). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Homeless Facilities in AP
In reference toDan's comment about not making judgment about MSM: WHile it may be true that there are no per se homeless shelters in AP, there are a number of facilities that serve the homeless, ranging from managed living, soup kitchens and advisory services. AP also has a number of other social service faciltiies including HIV clinics, a methadone clinic, etc. I make no judgment on any of them. Yes it is our social responsibility to help thos eless fortunate. The point is AP has done more than its fair share and does not need the Market Street Mission or any other shelter that will not screen clients. Its time for other nearby communities to shoulder their fair share. Throughthe hot and humid night, I Googled, Wiki-ed and more. Because I don't feel qualified to judge, I was looking for a disinterested party with stature and qualifications. = Charity Navigator is an independent, non-profit organization that does judge and evaluate charities. Charity navigator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Charity Navigator's rating forthe Market Street Mission: a mere 2 Stars Overall and only 1 Star for efficiency. Charity Navigator Rating - Market Street Mission Note the national peer analysis. Charity Navigator's comparison forNJ homeless outreach services, MSM is next to last of seven: Charity Navigator - Your Search Results . Charity Navigator operates nationally, but its president,Trent Stamp, lives in Mahwah, pretty much the neighborhood of Market Street Mission's hometown. He has his own Blog: Trent Stamp's Take where he "gives an insider's perspective to the inspiring, intriguing, and sometimes idiotic inner workings of the world of non-profits and charities." From Fast Company, a business magazine: Stamp is executive director of Charity Navigator, a Mahwah, New Jersey - based organization -- itself a nonprofit -- that tracks the financial performance of 2,500 charities across the nation. In Stamp's view, charities haven't been giving the public a clear understanding of their financial well-being, and without some independent evaluation, a public that is weary of accounting scandals and management cover-ups just might give up on their charitable giving. Says Stamp: "We're trying to answer the critical question: Which charities are the most responsible and efficient -- and which aren't?" Using data gleaned from tax filings, Charity Navigator ranks nonprofits on the efficacy of their getting and spending, measuring them against seven benchmarks and assigning each one a rating on a scale of zero to four stars. Stamp believes that his rankings will become for philanthropists what Morningstar's mutual-fund ratings are for investors: a way to compare an organization's financial performance with that of its competitors. Full text here:http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/73/socialcapital.html === If you scan the entire web site for MSM, its very difficult to find the staff and their qualifications.At page bottom, not from their main menus, click "contact us." More clicks required to find executives, staff, and board of directors. No where will you find listed the appropriate professional credentials you might expect: counselor, therapist, psychotherapist, social worker(e.g., L.C.S.W.), etc. If we are forced to have MSM in our midst, I'm afraid we'll be saddled with a less than third rate outfit for the homeless. While Canada Geese may not be welcome here, a nice Canadian cold front would suit me just fine. Chill! (Sorry for the cross-posting. Double lurkers need only to hit "delete.") __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
