[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[2fine4u]

Just an aside:  Please edit your posts.  Having to wade through the
previous posters statement is one thing.  When you reply and keep
adding to the length of a post, gives me carpal tunnel, having to
scroll so far down, just to get to the next poster.  I don't really
have nay expectation, that this easy rule, will be followed, but I can
hope!
SB(Real Initials)!


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jack I think the topic is a radio station having the right to pick 
 what music to play.
 
 Don't you think they have that right?  They own the station.

But they DON'T own the air-waves and are FEDERALLY regulated.  Whether
the regulators are paying much attention, is questionable lately, the
way CERTAIN stations, that adhere to rules are nit-picked to death,
as we witnessed our little, tiny, microstation here, virtually
SHUT-DOWN, by someone, who ILLEGALLY flaunted their authority, to use
scare tactics on a Haitian immigrant, afraid of offending the
feds!  If I can find out how to obtain a micro license, I'll do so,
just to aggravate the feds!



 I understand they are licensed.  So is a bar.  The City doesn't tell 
 The Saint to pour Tanquerey or Beefeaters.  Everyone would cry foul 
 if they did. Why can't a radio station play the songs that they like?


They CAN, as long as the 7 deadly words, aren't used! Ask George Carlin!

 What's next, 50 cent suing to be played on a Classic Rock Station?
 

I don't think so!


See what I mean by editing?



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[2fine4u]

Tommy, You being a lawyer and all, would research the issue, rather
than answering willy-nilly!  I just happen to have first-hand
knowledge, about the 1934 Communications Act, due to my work with the
experimental stage, of what was known then, as microwave systems,
first field tested in Chicago.  Bell Labs, has a facility in
Napierville, Il., a suburb of Chicago.  New Jersey was ground station
zero, on the regulatory acts, patents and copyrights, (me)!  Not a
lawyer, but my Business Law, kicked in, at that point, as to which
government regulations, the Labs had to adhere to, right of ways,
etc., in order to field test, what we now carry in our pockets, the
cell phone!  Just remember how big and cumbersome, the first CELL
phones, were!  You see one in the Geico commercial, where a woman's
brother is driving the same car for 20 years and still owns his first
cell phone!  Hilarious and nostalgic!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Isn't there about 13,000 radio stations in America?  I don't think 
 1200 puts you in control of all listening.
 
 I think it puts you in control of about 8 or 9%.
 
 If you consider that the local decide what gets played, there is no 
 control.


This is a no-no and reeks of discrimination, an act that can get you
shut down, forever!  Or not, considering the climate and politics of
the sitting Republicans, who in my estimation, still control
everything!  Personally, I have no faith in the Dems, either!  Take
your pick!




 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Gary Wien]

Tommy,

The idea that Bruce was wrong on the radio station issue is up to  
you.  For me, he was dead on.  The boycott was led by Clear Channel -  
not individual radio station owners.  Clear Channel owned the main  
stations in just about every market in the country so no you really  
couldn't just change the channel.  He was going after the BIG PICTURE  
of corporate ownership of radio rather than just the BIG PICTURE of  
censorship.  This wasn't censorship on a local level, it was showing  
how a huge corporation could censor the entire country.


Bruce was right.

On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:31 AM, justifiedright wrote:


I want him to shut up because he does not deserve a wide audience on
politics. He gets the wide audience on music, then abuses that by
switching over.

Also - he is a hypocrite. He is bigger than us, so he gets to speak
to that wide audience. The radio stations are bigger than the Dixie
Chicks, and he was livid that they would speak by boycotting them.

You seem to be a fair guy Jack. You have to admit Bruce was a
hypocrite for crying foul against the radio station owners.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 But why? Do you even know what he's saying?
 Do you want him to shut up just because he may be saying something
you disagree with?

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  You should speak out. Bruce should shut up and sing.
 
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
  
   I can see a parallel here between me trying to moderate this
group
  to this Bruce discussion
   as it relates to what you call microphone abuse
   I knew that when I posted what I said below it would make me
look
  like a hypocrite.
   When you go see a Bruce show, you aren't going to hear him
  pontificate for 3 hours about
   politics. He may sprinkle his show with some of it, but you
also
  get classic songs and lot's
   of great live rock and roll. Same with his recordings. It's
not
  all politics.
   Don't you think many of us here in America are upset with
what's
  going on in our country?
   To not speak out is just being wimpy and equates to hiding
your
  head in the sand.
  
  
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
  justifiedright@ wrote:
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:

 Also, if somebody said to you Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND
  PRACTICE
LAW!! I'd defend
 you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions.
 It's just like the way people used to get angry about
Howard
  Stern.
You have a
 choice...listen, or tune away.
   
The difference is that Bruce and others like him
  commit microphone
abuse.
   
There are people on this board that study and follow
politics
  more
closely than he does. The problems is we can't gather a
wide
  audience.
   
Bruce gets a wide audience for a different reason - music.
Then
  he
abuses that by talking politics, not music. He has nothing
more
important to say than anyone else, but abuses his postion to
get
  his
thoughts stated widely.
   
He's also a hypocrite. He was very critical of radio
station
  owners
who boycotted Dixie Chicks. Don't radio station owners have
  free
speech rights? You can always change the station, right?
   
Don't
   
  
 

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[justifiedright]

Gary there was no boycott by Clear Channel.  Some of their local 
stations boycotted, some didn't.  The decision was made by the local 
managers.

Michael Moore tried to float the idea that it was decided at 
Corporate.  As usual, he had no proof and was wrong.

Let me ask you though:  

Assume for a moment that Clear Channel did boycott an artist.

Don't companies have the right of Freedom of Association and Freedom 
of Speech?  

How rich must one get before he gives up these rights?

How many stations must one own before relinquishing their 
constitutional rights?   5? 10? 100? More?  Is there a sliding scale 
of constitutional rights based upon how many stations you own?

Is there a right of muscians to be played on a station?  

If so, can I cut a record and sue to have it played, no matter how 
much the station hates the song?

As for Bruce, he stuck up for Maines when Maines was railing against 
the little people who were bulldozing her CD's in public.

Not much of a working class hero stance, siding with that pampered 
millionaire over the little folk.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tommy,
 
 The idea that Bruce was wrong on the radio station issue is up to  
 you.  For me, he was dead on.  The boycott was led by Clear 
Channel -  
 not individual radio station owners.  Clear Channel owned the 
main  
 stations in just about every market in the country so no you 
really  
 couldn't just change the channel.  He was going after the BIG 
PICTURE  
 of corporate ownership of radio rather than just the BIG PICTURE 
of  
 censorship.  This wasn't censorship on a local level, it was 
showing  
 how a huge corporation could censor the entire country.
 
 Bruce was right.
 
 On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:31 AM, justifiedright wrote:
 
  I want him to shut up because he does not deserve a wide 
audience on
  politics. He gets the wide audience on music, then abuses that by
  switching over.
 
  Also - he is a hypocrite. He is bigger than us, so he gets to 
speak
  to that wide audience. The radio stations are bigger than the 
Dixie
  Chicks, and he was livid that they would speak by boycotting 
them.
 
  You seem to be a fair guy Jack. You have to admit Bruce was a
  hypocrite for crying foul against the radio station owners.
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
  
   But why? Do you even know what he's saying?
   Do you want him to shut up just because he may be saying 
something
  you disagree with?
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
  justifiedright@ wrote:
   
You should speak out. Bruce should shut up and sing.
   
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:

 I can see a parallel here between me trying to moderate 
this
  group
to this Bruce discussion
 as it relates to what you call microphone abuse
 I knew that when I posted what I said below it would make 
me
  look
like a hypocrite.
 When you go see a Bruce show, you aren't going to hear him
pontificate for 3 hours about
 politics. He may sprinkle his show with some of it, but you
  also
get classic songs and lot's
 of great live rock and roll. Same with his recordings. It's
  not
all politics.
 Don't you think many of us here in America are upset with
  what's
going on in our country?
 To not speak out is just being wimpy and equates to hiding
  your
head in the sand.



 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ 
wrote:
  
   Also, if somebody said to you Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND
PRACTICE
  LAW!! I'd defend
   you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions.
   It's just like the way people used to get angry about
  Howard
Stern.
  You have a
   choice...listen, or tune away.
 
  The difference is that Bruce and others like him
commit microphone
  abuse.
 
  There are people on this board that study and follow
  politics
more
  closely than he does. The problems is we can't gather a
  wide
audience.
 
  Bruce gets a wide audience for a different reason - 
music.
  Then
he
  abuses that by talking politics, not music. He has 
nothing
  more
  important to say than anyone else, but abuses his 
postion to
  get
his
  thoughts stated widely.
 
  He's also a hypocrite. He was very critical of radio
  station
owners
  who boycotted Dixie Chicks. Don't radio station owners 
have
free
  speech rights? You can always change the station, right?
 
  Don't
 

   
  
 
 
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Hinge]

I have a different point of view.
Nobody is forced to listen to Bruce Springsteen or any artist.
Instead of letting the government or a broadcaster decide what they want people 
to be 
able to listen too, shouldn't the listener be the one making the choice?
I agree that porno, or racism, or anything THAT objectionable shouldn't be 
presented 
without limits to the public, but music with opinions?
That should be left up to the people.
If you don't like Bruce and his message, simply don't buy his music, and if his 
songs come 
on the radio, switch channels.
Also, I have a huge problem with the selective way that the FCC choses to 
censor things.
Howard Stern brought up a good point the other day about a couple of words he 
was fined 
and censored for...scumbag and douchebag
Back when he was on the radio, he got yelled at for those, but on a recent 
episode of the 
TV show Bionic Women (which I won't watch because the original was just fine 
with me) 
both words were used, in primetime.
To me, the FCC is becoming a joke in that respect. Oprah Winfrey or the Bionic 
Women can 
get away with saying the same words and concepts that Howard was fined for, and 
it gives 
the strong impression that the FCC is censoring with bias, which is bullshit 
(censor that)

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Gary there was no boycott by Clear Channel.  Some of their local 
 stations boycotted, some didn't.  The decision was made by the local 
 managers.
 
 Michael Moore tried to float the idea that it was decided at 
 Corporate.  As usual, he had no proof and was wrong.
 
 Let me ask you though:  
 
 Assume for a moment that Clear Channel did boycott an artist.
 
 Don't companies have the right of Freedom of Association and Freedom 
 of Speech?  
 
 How rich must one get before he gives up these rights?
 
 How many stations must one own before relinquishing their 
 constitutional rights?   5? 10? 100? More?  Is there a sliding scale 
 of constitutional rights based upon how many stations you own?
 
 Is there a right of muscians to be played on a station?  
 
 If so, can I cut a record and sue to have it played, no matter how 
 much the station hates the song?
 
 As for Bruce, he stuck up for Maines when Maines was railing against 
 the little people who were bulldozing her CD's in public.
 
 Not much of a working class hero stance, siding with that pampered 
 millionaire over the little folk.
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote:
 
  Tommy,
  
  The idea that Bruce was wrong on the radio station issue is up to  
  you.  For me, he was dead on.  The boycott was led by Clear 
 Channel -  
  not individual radio station owners.  Clear Channel owned the 
 main  
  stations in just about every market in the country so no you 
 really  
  couldn't just change the channel.  He was going after the BIG 
 PICTURE  
  of corporate ownership of radio rather than just the BIG PICTURE 
 of  
  censorship.  This wasn't censorship on a local level, it was 
 showing  
  how a huge corporation could censor the entire country.
  
  Bruce was right.
  
  On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:31 AM, justifiedright wrote:
  
   I want him to shut up because he does not deserve a wide 
 audience on
   politics. He gets the wide audience on music, then abuses that by
   switching over.
  
   Also - he is a hypocrite. He is bigger than us, so he gets to 
 speak
   to that wide audience. The radio stations are bigger than the 
 Dixie
   Chicks, and he was livid that they would speak by boycotting 
 them.
  
   You seem to be a fair guy Jack. You have to admit Bruce was a
   hypocrite for crying foul against the radio station owners.
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
   
But why? Do you even know what he's saying?
Do you want him to shut up just because he may be saying 
 something
   you disagree with?
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
   justifiedright@ wrote:

 You should speak out. Bruce should shut up and sing.


 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I can see a parallel here between me trying to moderate 
 this
   group
 to this Bruce discussion
  as it relates to what you call microphone abuse
  I knew that when I posted what I said below it would make 
 me
   look
 like a hypocrite.
  When you go see a Bruce show, you aren't going to hear him
 pontificate for 3 hours about
  politics. He may sprinkle his show with some of it, but you
   also
 get classic songs and lot's
  of great live rock and roll. Same with his recordings. It's
   not
 all politics.
  Don't you think many of us here in America are upset with
   what's
 going on in our country?
  To not speak out is just being wimpy and equates to hiding
   your
 head in the sand.
 
 
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
 

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[justifiedright]

Jack I think the topic is a radio station having the right to pick 
what music to play.

Don't you think they have that right?  They own the station.

I understand they are licensed.  So is a bar.  The City doesn't tell 
The Saint to pour Tanquerey or Beefeaters.  Everyone would cry foul 
if they did.

Why can't a radio station play the songs that they like?

What's next, 50 cent suing to be played on a Classic Rock Station?



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a different point of view.
 Nobody is forced to listen to Bruce Springsteen or any artist.
 Instead of letting the government or a broadcaster decide what 
they want people to be 
 able to listen too, shouldn't the listener be the one making the 
choice?
 I agree that porno, or racism, or anything THAT objectionable 
shouldn't be presented 
 without limits to the public, but music with opinions?
 That should be left up to the people.
 If you don't like Bruce and his message, simply don't buy his 
music, and if his songs come 
 on the radio, switch channels.
 Also, I have a huge problem with the selective way that the FCC 
choses to censor things.
 Howard Stern brought up a good point the other day about a couple 
of words he was fined 
 and censored for...scumbag and douchebag
 Back when he was on the radio, he got yelled at for those, but on 
a recent episode of the 
 TV show Bionic Women (which I won't watch because the original was 
just fine with me) 
 both words were used, in primetime.
 To me, the FCC is becoming a joke in that respect. Oprah Winfrey 
or the Bionic Women can 
 get away with saying the same words and concepts that Howard was 
fined for, and it gives 
 the strong impression that the FCC is censoring with bias, which 
is bullshit (censor that)
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  Gary there was no boycott by Clear Channel.  Some of their local 
  stations boycotted, some didn't.  The decision was made by the 
local 
  managers.
  
  Michael Moore tried to float the idea that it was decided at 
  Corporate.  As usual, he had no proof and was wrong.
  
  Let me ask you though:  
  
  Assume for a moment that Clear Channel did boycott an artist.
  
  Don't companies have the right of Freedom of Association and 
Freedom 
  of Speech?  
  
  How rich must one get before he gives up these rights?
  
  How many stations must one own before relinquishing their 
  constitutional rights?   5? 10? 100? More?  Is there a sliding 
scale 
  of constitutional rights based upon how many stations you own?
  
  Is there a right of muscians to be played on a station?  
  
  If so, can I cut a record and sue to have it played, no matter 
how 
  much the station hates the song?
  
  As for Bruce, he stuck up for Maines when Maines was railing 
against 
  the little people who were bulldozing her CD's in public.
  
  Not much of a working class hero stance, siding with that 
pampered 
  millionaire over the little folk.
  
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote:
  
   Tommy,
   
   The idea that Bruce was wrong on the radio station issue is up 
to  
   you.  For me, he was dead on.  The boycott was led by Clear 
  Channel -  
   not individual radio station owners.  Clear Channel owned the 
  main  
   stations in just about every market in the country so no you 
  really  
   couldn't just change the channel.  He was going after the BIG 
  PICTURE  
   of corporate ownership of radio rather than just the BIG 
PICTURE 
  of  
   censorship.  This wasn't censorship on a local level, it was 
  showing  
   how a huge corporation could censor the entire country.
   
   Bruce was right.
   
   On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:31 AM, justifiedright wrote:
   
I want him to shut up because he does not deserve a wide 
  audience on
politics. He gets the wide audience on music, then abuses 
that by
switching over.
   
Also - he is a hypocrite. He is bigger than us, so he gets 
to 
  speak
to that wide audience. The radio stations are bigger than 
the 
  Dixie
Chicks, and he was livid that they would speak by boycotting 
  them.
   
You seem to be a fair guy Jack. You have to admit Bruce was a
hypocrite for crying foul against the radio station owners.
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:

 But why? Do you even know what he's saying?
 Do you want him to shut up just because he may be saying 
  something
you disagree with?

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  You should speak out. Bruce should shut up and sing.
 
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ 
wrote:
  
   I can see a parallel here between me trying to 
moderate 
  this
group
  to this Bruce discussion
   as it relates to what you call microphone abuse
   I knew that when I posted what I said below it would 
make 
 

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Gary Wien]

On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:35 AM, justifiedright wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  So in
  your view famous people don't get the same rights as everyone
 else?


 People tune into Bruce to hear music, in which he excels. For him to
 give political speeches is irresponsible.



So I guess Ronald Reagan should have stuck to acting, huh?  That  
would certainly have disappointed a few generations of Republicans I  
would think :)




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Hinge]

Sorry, I didn't read far enough to get the whole topic. 
I agree that a radio station has the right to chose and stick with a genre.
But, if a radio station refuses to play a song within it's genre because it 
doesn't agree with 
it's political message, I kinda have a problem with that, because say they 
choose to play a 
song that has a message they do agree with and bans a song who's political 
message they 
don't agree with, isn't that kinda shady?
It's like subliminal campaigning with a bias.
This is a difficult topic for sure.
It's like comparing Fox News to MSNBC and so on. 
And for the radio listener, do we always know what affiliations they have, and 
which way 
they lean? For the casual listener, probably not. Nor do most people know who 
owns the 
stations we listen to.
In essence, I don't think it's a good idea for the public airwaves to be 
politically aligned. 


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jack I think the topic is a radio station having the right to pick 
 what music to play.
 
 Don't you think they have that right?  They own the station.
 
 I understand they are licensed.  So is a bar.  The City doesn't tell 
 The Saint to pour Tanquerey or Beefeaters.  Everyone would cry foul 
 if they did.
 
 Why can't a radio station play the songs that they like?
 
 What's next, 50 cent suing to be played on a Classic Rock Station?
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I have a different point of view.
  Nobody is forced to listen to Bruce Springsteen or any artist.
  Instead of letting the government or a broadcaster decide what 
 they want people to be 
  able to listen too, shouldn't the listener be the one making the 
 choice?
  I agree that porno, or racism, or anything THAT objectionable 
 shouldn't be presented 
  without limits to the public, but music with opinions?
  That should be left up to the people.
  If you don't like Bruce and his message, simply don't buy his 
 music, and if his songs come 
  on the radio, switch channels.
  Also, I have a huge problem with the selective way that the FCC 
 choses to censor things.
  Howard Stern brought up a good point the other day about a couple 
 of words he was fined 
  and censored for...scumbag and douchebag
  Back when he was on the radio, he got yelled at for those, but on 
 a recent episode of the 
  TV show Bionic Women (which I won't watch because the original was 
 just fine with me) 
  both words were used, in primetime.
  To me, the FCC is becoming a joke in that respect. Oprah Winfrey 
 or the Bionic Women can 
  get away with saying the same words and concepts that Howard was 
 fined for, and it gives 
  the strong impression that the FCC is censoring with bias, which 
 is bullshit (censor that)
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   Gary there was no boycott by Clear Channel.  Some of their local 
   stations boycotted, some didn't.  The decision was made by the 
 local 
   managers.
   
   Michael Moore tried to float the idea that it was decided at 
   Corporate.  As usual, he had no proof and was wrong.
   
   Let me ask you though:  
   
   Assume for a moment that Clear Channel did boycott an artist.
   
   Don't companies have the right of Freedom of Association and 
 Freedom 
   of Speech?  
   
   How rich must one get before he gives up these rights?
   
   How many stations must one own before relinquishing their 
   constitutional rights?   5? 10? 100? More?  Is there a sliding 
 scale 
   of constitutional rights based upon how many stations you own?
   
   Is there a right of muscians to be played on a station?  
   
   If so, can I cut a record and sue to have it played, no matter 
 how 
   much the station hates the song?
   
   As for Bruce, he stuck up for Maines when Maines was railing 
 against 
   the little people who were bulldozing her CD's in public.
   
   Not much of a working class hero stance, siding with that 
 pampered 
   millionaire over the little folk.
   
   
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote:
   
Tommy,

The idea that Bruce was wrong on the radio station issue is up 
 to  
you.  For me, he was dead on.  The boycott was led by Clear 
   Channel -  
not individual radio station owners.  Clear Channel owned the 
   main  
stations in just about every market in the country so no you 
   really  
couldn't just change the channel.  He was going after the BIG 
   PICTURE  
of corporate ownership of radio rather than just the BIG 
 PICTURE 
   of  
censorship.  This wasn't censorship on a local level, it was 
   showing  
how a huge corporation could censor the entire country.

Bruce was right.

On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:31 AM, justifiedright wrote:

 I want him to shut up because he does not deserve a wide 
   audience on
 politics. He gets the wide audience on music, then abuses 
 that 

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Gary Wien]

 From a Rolling Stone article on  Aug 13, 2004  after the Dixie  
Chicks situation:

Clear Channel controls roughly 1,200 radio stations and about seventy  
percent of all live events that are promoted in the United States.

Critics say the company also has a political agenda, given Clear  
Channel executives' close ties to George W. Bush and the company's  
willingness to drop Howard Stern at a time when many media companies  
are fighting for free speech. If you don't realize that they've sent  
a chill throughout the creative community, you're living on another  
planet, says Howie Klein, the former head of Reprise Records. Clear  
Channel pretty much can dictate what they want.

There is no bigger company in the music business, and none with such  
close ties to conservative politics. Along with Mays, Tom Hicks, the  
former head of AMFM and a Clear Channel board member, was an investor  
in the 1989 Texas Rangers deal that made George W. Bush a very rich man.

No other company in recent history has had so much power over what  
the world hears -- and so few top executives with a background in  
music. Several of the Mayses' friends and business associates say  
that popular culture has never come up in conversation; radio- 
division CEO John Hogan is a career ad salesman who says that he  
prefers talk to rock, rap or country stations. Brian Becker, the live- 
entertainment CEO, cut his teeth on motor sports and theater. One  
former Clear Channel executive told Rolling Stone that at annual  
corporate meetings, sales awards are given out for more than an hour  
-- and programming prizes take up only ten minutes. You're  
controlling all this media, and what you're saying is, 'We don't care  
about what's on the air,' he says. All they care about is moving  
product.

 
***

Tommy,

I'm sorry but to many of us the idea of one company like Clear  
Channel basically owning the airwaves and being able to dictate what  
American hears goes far beyond any of the concerns you may have about  
the Fairness Doctrine.   And for anyone to be upset at hearing an  
artist speak his mind at a concert is rather absurd to me.  That  
artist has the right to say what they want and the audience has the  
right to either agree or disagree; however, when a corporation pretty  
much owns the airwaves from coast to coast and lays down the law as  
to what can be said - I don't care if they're liberal or conservative  
I think that's wrong.  I'm against monolopies and this is a good  
example of why monopolies are bad.

Clear Channel helped America push against the Dixie Chicks for  
speaking their mind on stage - an opinion, which if shared on stage  
now would cause very little controversy.  I guess they were just  
ahead of their time.  In fact, many artists are often ahead of their  
time, which is why artists should use whatever platforms they have to  
push their opinion.  It's just their opinion and people can agree or  
disagree, but corporations (like Clear Channel) don't necessarily  
offer someone the chance to agree or disagree they just force it down  
your throat and in many markets there will not be any differing  
opinions.

That's not free speech to me, it's propaganda.


 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Hinge]

Right on the money with that post Gary.
And sadly, many many people have no idea at all about the way Clear Channel 
controls the 
media.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  From a Rolling Stone article on  Aug 13, 2004  after the Dixie  
 Chicks situation:
 
 Clear Channel controls roughly 1,200 radio stations and about seventy  
 percent of all live events that are promoted in the United States.
 
 Critics say the company also has a political agenda, given Clear  
 Channel executives' close ties to George W. Bush and the company's  
 willingness to drop Howard Stern at a time when many media companies  
 are fighting for free speech. If you don't realize that they've sent  
 a chill throughout the creative community, you're living on another  
 planet, says Howie Klein, the former head of Reprise Records. Clear  
 Channel pretty much can dictate what they want.
 
 There is no bigger company in the music business, and none with such  
 close ties to conservative politics. Along with Mays, Tom Hicks, the  
 former head of AMFM and a Clear Channel board member, was an investor  
 in the 1989 Texas Rangers deal that made George W. Bush a very rich man.
 
 No other company in recent history has had so much power over what  
 the world hears -- and so few top executives with a background in  
 music. Several of the Mayses' friends and business associates say  
 that popular culture has never come up in conversation; radio- 
 division CEO John Hogan is a career ad salesman who says that he  
 prefers talk to rock, rap or country stations. Brian Becker, the live- 
 entertainment CEO, cut his teeth on motor sports and theater. One  
 former Clear Channel executive told Rolling Stone that at annual  
 corporate meetings, sales awards are given out for more than an hour  
 -- and programming prizes take up only ten minutes. You're  
 controlling all this media, and what you're saying is, 'We don't care  
 about what's on the air,' he says. All they care about is moving  
 product.
 
  
 ***
 
 Tommy,
 
 I'm sorry but to many of us the idea of one company like Clear  
 Channel basically owning the airwaves and being able to dictate what  
 American hears goes far beyond any of the concerns you may have about  
 the Fairness Doctrine.   And for anyone to be upset at hearing an  
 artist speak his mind at a concert is rather absurd to me.  That  
 artist has the right to say what they want and the audience has the  
 right to either agree or disagree; however, when a corporation pretty  
 much owns the airwaves from coast to coast and lays down the law as  
 to what can be said - I don't care if they're liberal or conservative  
 I think that's wrong.  I'm against monolopies and this is a good  
 example of why monopolies are bad.
 
 Clear Channel helped America push against the Dixie Chicks for  
 speaking their mind on stage - an opinion, which if shared on stage  
 now would cause very little controversy.  I guess they were just  
 ahead of their time.  In fact, many artists are often ahead of their  
 time, which is why artists should use whatever platforms they have to  
 push their opinion.  It's just their opinion and people can agree or  
 disagree, but corporations (like Clear Channel) don't necessarily  
 offer someone the chance to agree or disagree they just force it down  
 your throat and in many markets there will not be any differing  
 opinions.
 
 That's not free speech to me, it's propaganda.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[justifiedright]

Isn't there about 13,000 radio stations in America?  I don't think 
1200 puts you in control of all listening.

I think it puts you in control of about 8 or 9%.

If you consider that the local decide what gets played, there is no 
control.



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Gary Wien]

BS Tommy.   If the right wing complains about Left Leaning media  
because of the NY Times, Washington Post and LA Times than I think  
owning about 75% of the Top stations in every market is dangerous.   
The other 25% are stations with many less listeners and far less  
signal power.


Check the stats and you'll see this.  Clear Channel doesn't invest in  
stations that are 100 watt...  they go for 50,000 watts



On Oct 8, 2007, at 3:57 PM, justifiedright wrote:


Isn't there about 13,000 radio stations in America? I don't think
1200 puts you in control of all listening.

I think it puts you in control of about 8 or 9%.

If you consider that the local decide what gets played, there is no
control.

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Hinge]

The amount of stations in America is insignificant because Clear Channel is in 
charge of the 
majority of high wattage stations. Those stations have the money to do plenty 
of advertising. 
A vast majority of Americans listen to the big, high wattage stations. I.E. 
KROCK, WNEW etc.
And bear in mind, Gary is and always has been involved in the music industry, 
and he knows 
what he is talking about. He's not just Googling information. 


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Isn't there about 13,000 radio stations in America?  I don't think 
 1200 puts you in control of all listening.
 
 I think it puts you in control of about 8 or 9%.
 
 If you consider that the local decide what gets played, there is no 
 control.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Hinge]

Also, if somebody said to you Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND PRACTICE LAW!! I'd 
defend 
you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions.
It's just like the way people used to get angry about Howard Stern. You have a 
choice...listen, or tune away.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Bruce - SHUT UP AND SING!!
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MMMAPNJ@ wrote:
 
  _Click  here: Springsteen: Silence Is Unpatriotic, Rocker Answers 
 Critics Who 
  Say He's  Unpatriotic - The ShowBuzz_ 
  
 (http://www.showbuzz.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/04/music/main3330463
 .shtml)  
   
  Springsteen discusses this and other topics, including why he's 
 still  
  writing songs and performing, in an interview with 60  Minutes 
 correspondent Scott 
  Pelley this Sunday, Oct. 7, at 7:30  p.m. ET, 7 p.m. PT.
  
  
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Hinge]

BS. If you can have an opinion, so can he. And besides, what are you afraid 
of...that he 
might make somebody who is blissfully unaware think for a moment?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Bruce - SHUT UP AND SING!!
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MMMAPNJ@ wrote:
 
  _Click  here: Springsteen: Silence Is Unpatriotic, Rocker Answers 
 Critics Who 
  Say He's  Unpatriotic - The ShowBuzz_ 
  
 (http://www.showbuzz.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/04/music/main3330463
 .shtml)  
   
  Springsteen discusses this and other topics, including why he's 
 still  
  writing songs and performing, in an interview with 60  Minutes 
 correspondent Scott 
  Pelley this Sunday, Oct. 7, at 7:30  p.m. ET, 7 p.m. PT.
  
  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Jersey Shore John]

Hey justifiedright - SHUT UP!!

On Oct 5, 2007, at 7:41 AM, Hinge wrote:

BS. If you can have an opinion, so can he. And besides, what are  
you afraid of...that he

might make somebody who is blissfully unaware think for a moment?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hey Bruce - SHUT UP AND SING!!




 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MMMAPNJ@ wrote:
 
  _Click here: Springsteen: Silence Is Unpatriotic, Rocker Answers
 Critics Who
  Say He's Unpatriotic - The ShowBuzz_
 
 (http://www.showbuzz.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/04/music/ 
main3330463

 .shtml)
 
  Springsteen discusses this and other topics, including why he's
 still
  writing songs and performing, in an interview with 60 Minutes
 correspondent Scott
  Pelley this Sunday, Oct. 7, at 7:30 p.m. ET, 7 p.m. PT.
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Jersey Shore John]

awww. you don't have a microphone. life's tough.

On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:34 AM, justifiedright wrote:


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Also, if somebody said to you Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND PRACTICE
LAW!! I'd defend
 you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions.
 It's just like the way people used to get angry about Howard Stern.
You have a
 choice...listen, or tune away.

The difference is that Bruce and others like him commit microphone
abuse.

There are people on this board that study and follow politics more
closely than he does. The problems is we can't gather a wide audience.

Bruce gets a wide audience for a different reason - music. Then he
abuses that by talking politics, not music. He has nothing more
important to say than anyone else, but abuses his postion to get his
thoughts stated widely.

He's also a hypocrite. He was very critical of radio station owners
who boycotted Dixie Chicks. Don't radio station owners have free
speech rights? You can always change the station, right?

Don't

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[justifiedright]

Hey Bruce - SHUT UP AND SING!!




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 _Click  here: Springsteen: Silence Is Unpatriotic, Rocker Answers 
Critics Who 
 Say He's  Unpatriotic - The ShowBuzz_ 
 
(http://www.showbuzz.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/04/music/main3330463
.shtml)  
  
 Springsteen discusses this and other topics, including why he's 
still  
 writing songs and performing, in an interview with 60  Minutes 
correspondent Scott 
 Pelley this Sunday, Oct. 7, at 7:30  p.m. ET, 7 p.m. PT.
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[justifiedright]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Also, if somebody said to you Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND PRACTICE 
LAW!! I'd defend 
 you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions.
 It's just like the way people used to get angry about Howard Stern. 
You have a 
 choice...listen, or tune away.

The difference is that Bruce and others like him commit microphone 
abuse.

There are people on this board that study and follow politics more 
closely than he does.  The problems is we can't gather a wide audience.

Bruce gets a wide audience for a different reason - music. Then he 
abuses that by talking politics, not music.  He has nothing more 
important to say than anyone else, but abuses his postion to get his 
thoughts stated widely.

He's also a hypocrite.  He was very critical of radio station owners 
who boycotted Dixie Chicks.  Don't radio station owners have free 
speech rights?  You can always change the station, right?

Don't 



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Hinge]

I can see a parallel here between me trying to moderate this group to this 
Bruce discussion 
as it relates to what you call microphone abuse
I knew that when I posted what I said below it would make me look like a 
hypocrite.
When you go see a Bruce show, you aren't going to hear him pontificate for 3 
hours about 
politics. He may sprinkle his show with some of it, but you also get classic 
songs and lot's 
of great live rock and roll. Same with his recordings. It's not all politics.
Don't you think many of us here in America are upset with what's going on in 
our country?
To not speak out is just being wimpy and equates to hiding your head in the 
sand.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
  Also, if somebody said to you Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND PRACTICE 
 LAW!! I'd defend 
  you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions.
  It's just like the way people used to get angry about Howard Stern. 
 You have a 
  choice...listen, or tune away.
 
 The difference is that Bruce and others like him commit microphone 
 abuse.
 
 There are people on this board that study and follow politics more 
 closely than he does.  The problems is we can't gather a wide audience.
 
 Bruce gets a wide audience for a different reason - music. Then he 
 abuses that by talking politics, not music.  He has nothing more 
 important to say than anyone else, but abuses his postion to get his 
 thoughts stated widely.
 
 He's also a hypocrite.  He was very critical of radio station owners 
 who boycotted Dixie Chicks.  Don't radio station owners have free 
 speech rights?  You can always change the station, right?
 
 Don't





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[justifiedright]

You should speak out.  Bruce should shut up and sing.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I can see a parallel here between me trying to moderate this group 
to this Bruce discussion 
 as it relates to what you call microphone abuse
 I knew that when I posted what I said below it would make me look 
like a hypocrite.
 When you go see a Bruce show, you aren't going to hear him 
pontificate for 3 hours about 
 politics. He may sprinkle his show with some of it, but you also 
get classic songs and lot's 
 of great live rock and roll. Same with his recordings. It's not 
all politics.
 Don't you think many of us here in America are upset with what's 
going on in our country?
 To not speak out is just being wimpy and equates to hiding your 
head in the sand.
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
  
   Also, if somebody said to you Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND 
PRACTICE 
  LAW!! I'd defend 
   you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions.
   It's just like the way people used to get angry about Howard 
Stern. 
  You have a 
   choice...listen, or tune away.
  
  The difference is that Bruce and others like him 
commit microphone 
  abuse.
  
  There are people on this board that study and follow politics 
more 
  closely than he does.  The problems is we can't gather a wide 
audience.
  
  Bruce gets a wide audience for a different reason - music. Then 
he 
  abuses that by talking politics, not music.  He has nothing more 
  important to say than anyone else, but abuses his postion to get 
his 
  thoughts stated widely.
  
  He's also a hypocrite.  He was very critical of radio station 
owners 
  who boycotted Dixie Chicks.  Don't radio station owners have 
free 
  speech rights?  You can always change the station, right?
  
  Don't
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[justifiedright]

I bet that you would miss the point.  I won.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 awww. you don't have a microphone. life's tough.
 
 On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:34 AM, justifiedright wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
  
   Also, if somebody said to you Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND PRACTICE
  LAW!! I'd defend
   you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions.
   It's just like the way people used to get angry about Howard 
Stern.
  You have a
   choice...listen, or tune away.
 
  The difference is that Bruce and others like him 
commit microphone
  abuse.
 
  There are people on this board that study and follow politics 
more
  closely than he does. The problems is we can't gather a wide 
audience.
 
  Bruce gets a wide audience for a different reason - music. Then 
he
  abuses that by talking politics, not music. He has nothing more
  important to say than anyone else, but abuses his postion to get 
his
  thoughts stated widely.
 
  He's also a hypocrite. He was very critical of radio station 
owners
  who boycotted Dixie Chicks. Don't radio station owners have free
  speech rights? You can always change the station, right?
 
  Don't
 
 
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[justifiedright]

I want him to shut up because he does not deserve a wide audience on 
politics.  He gets the wide audience on music, then abuses that by 
switching over.

Also - he is a hypocrite.  He is bigger than us, so he gets to speak 
to that wide audience.  The radio stations are bigger than the Dixie 
Chicks, and he was livid that they would speak by boycotting them.

You seem to be a fair guy Jack.  You have to admit Bruce was a 
hypocrite for crying foul against the radio station owners.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 But why? Do you even know what he's saying?
 Do you want him to shut up just because he may be saying something 
you disagree with?
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  You should speak out.  Bruce should shut up and sing.
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
  
   I can see a parallel here between me trying to moderate this 
group 
  to this Bruce discussion 
   as it relates to what you call microphone abuse
   I knew that when I posted what I said below it would make me 
look 
  like a hypocrite.
   When you go see a Bruce show, you aren't going to hear him 
  pontificate for 3 hours about 
   politics. He may sprinkle his show with some of it, but you 
also 
  get classic songs and lot's 
   of great live rock and roll. Same with his recordings. It's 
not 
  all politics.
   Don't you think many of us here in America are upset with 
what's 
  going on in our country?
   To not speak out is just being wimpy and equates to hiding 
your 
  head in the sand.
   
   
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
  justifiedright@ wrote:
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:

 Also, if somebody said to you Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND 
  PRACTICE 
LAW!! I'd defend 
 you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions.
 It's just like the way people used to get angry about 
Howard 
  Stern. 
You have a 
 choice...listen, or tune away.

The difference is that Bruce and others like him 
  commit microphone 
abuse.

There are people on this board that study and follow 
politics 
  more 
closely than he does.  The problems is we can't gather a 
wide 
  audience.

Bruce gets a wide audience for a different reason - music. 
Then 
  he 
abuses that by talking politics, not music.  He has nothing 
more 
important to say than anyone else, but abuses his postion to 
get 
  his 
thoughts stated widely.

He's also a hypocrite.  He was very critical of radio 
station 
  owners 
who boycotted Dixie Chicks.  Don't radio station owners have 
  free 
speech rights?  You can always change the station, right?

Don't
   
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Hinge]

But why? Do you even know what he's saying?
Do you want him to shut up just because he may be saying something you disagree 
with?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You should speak out.  Bruce should shut up and sing.
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I can see a parallel here between me trying to moderate this group 
 to this Bruce discussion 
  as it relates to what you call microphone abuse
  I knew that when I posted what I said below it would make me look 
 like a hypocrite.
  When you go see a Bruce show, you aren't going to hear him 
 pontificate for 3 hours about 
  politics. He may sprinkle his show with some of it, but you also 
 get classic songs and lot's 
  of great live rock and roll. Same with his recordings. It's not 
 all politics.
  Don't you think many of us here in America are upset with what's 
 going on in our country?
  To not speak out is just being wimpy and equates to hiding your 
 head in the sand.
  
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
   
Also, if somebody said to you Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND 
 PRACTICE 
   LAW!! I'd defend 
you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions.
It's just like the way people used to get angry about Howard 
 Stern. 
   You have a 
choice...listen, or tune away.
   
   The difference is that Bruce and others like him 
 commit microphone 
   abuse.
   
   There are people on this board that study and follow politics 
 more 
   closely than he does.  The problems is we can't gather a wide 
 audience.
   
   Bruce gets a wide audience for a different reason - music. Then 
 he 
   abuses that by talking politics, not music.  He has nothing more 
   important to say than anyone else, but abuses his postion to get 
 his 
   thoughts stated widely.
   
   He's also a hypocrite.  He was very critical of radio station 
 owners 
   who boycotted Dixie Chicks.  Don't radio station owners have 
 free 
   speech rights?  You can always change the station, right?
   
   Don't
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[asburycouple]

Tom, this may be the most lame argument I've ever heard you make.  
If I'm to understand correctly, because you are so learned in 
politics you can create your own blog, write here and in the TCN and 
try to sell your POV everywhere you can.  But because Bruce is so 
much more famous and has spent so much less time in your opinion 
understanding politics (you must know him well to have that insider 
knowledge into the time he spends thinking about politics) he should 
not have the same rights you do?  Don't buy his album.  That's how 
you can express your displeasure with his opinions.  But don't tell 
him or anyone else they don't have the right to express their 
opinions, wherever and whenever they so choose.  In fact, you have 
defended that very right on this board on several occassions.  So in 
your view famous people don't get the same rights as everyone else?  
What law school did they teach that at?


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You should speak out.  Bruce should shut up and sing.
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I can see a parallel here between me trying to moderate this 
group 
 to this Bruce discussion 
  as it relates to what you call microphone abuse
  I knew that when I posted what I said below it would make me 
look 
 like a hypocrite.
  When you go see a Bruce show, you aren't going to hear him 
 pontificate for 3 hours about 
  politics. He may sprinkle his show with some of it, but you also 
 get classic songs and lot's 
  of great live rock and roll. Same with his recordings. It's not 
 all politics.
  Don't you think many of us here in America are upset with what's 
 going on in our country?
  To not speak out is just being wimpy and equates to hiding your 
 head in the sand.
  
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
   
Also, if somebody said to you Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND 
 PRACTICE 
   LAW!! I'd defend 
you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions.
It's just like the way people used to get angry about Howard 
 Stern. 
   You have a 
choice...listen, or tune away.
   
   The difference is that Bruce and others like him 
 commit microphone 
   abuse.
   
   There are people on this board that study and follow politics 
 more 
   closely than he does.  The problems is we can't gather a wide 
 audience.
   
   Bruce gets a wide audience for a different reason - music. 
Then 
 he 
   abuses that by talking politics, not music.  He has nothing 
more 
   important to say than anyone else, but abuses his postion to 
get 
 his 
   thoughts stated widely.
   
   He's also a hypocrite.  He was very critical of radio station 
 owners 
   who boycotted Dixie Chicks.  Don't radio station owners have 
 free 
   speech rights?  You can always change the station, right?
   
   Don't
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Hinge]

He's always been political, whether it's blatantly, or subtly.
Once again, he only speaks to the audience that chooses to listen to him, just 
like Howard 
Stern. If you don't like Bruce, you tune away and listen to something else. 
It's that simple.
I can't honestly see how him speaking out against radio stations makes him a 
hypocrite, at 
least as you've described it below. You're just not presenting a good argument. 
He's not 
bigger then the radio stations. He doesn't own radio.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I want him to shut up because he does not deserve a wide audience on 
 politics.  He gets the wide audience on music, then abuses that by 
 switching over.
 
 Also - he is a hypocrite.  He is bigger than us, so he gets to speak 
 to that wide audience.  The radio stations are bigger than the Dixie 
 Chicks, and he was livid that they would speak by boycotting them.
 
 You seem to be a fair guy Jack.  You have to admit Bruce was a 
 hypocrite for crying foul against the radio station owners.
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
  But why? Do you even know what he's saying?
  Do you want him to shut up just because he may be saying something 
 you disagree with?
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   You should speak out.  Bruce should shut up and sing.
   
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
   
I can see a parallel here between me trying to moderate this 
 group 
   to this Bruce discussion 
as it relates to what you call microphone abuse
I knew that when I posted what I said below it would make me 
 look 
   like a hypocrite.
When you go see a Bruce show, you aren't going to hear him 
   pontificate for 3 hours about 
politics. He may sprinkle his show with some of it, but you 
 also 
   get classic songs and lot's 
of great live rock and roll. Same with his recordings. It's 
 not 
   all politics.
Don't you think many of us here in America are upset with 
 what's 
   going on in our country?
To not speak out is just being wimpy and equates to hiding 
 your 
   head in the sand.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
   justifiedright@ wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
  Also, if somebody said to you Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND 
   PRACTICE 
 LAW!! I'd defend 
  you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions.
  It's just like the way people used to get angry about 
 Howard 
   Stern. 
 You have a 
  choice...listen, or tune away.
 
 The difference is that Bruce and others like him 
   commit microphone 
 abuse.
 
 There are people on this board that study and follow 
 politics 
   more 
 closely than he does.  The problems is we can't gather a 
 wide 
   audience.
 
 Bruce gets a wide audience for a different reason - music. 
 Then 
   he 
 abuses that by talking politics, not music.  He has nothing 
 more 
 important to say than anyone else, but abuses his postion to 
 get 
   his 
 thoughts stated widely.
 
 He's also a hypocrite.  He was very critical of radio 
 station 
   owners 
 who boycotted Dixie Chicks.  Don't radio station owners have 
   free 
 speech rights?  You can always change the station, right?
 
 Don't

   
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[oakdorf]

  
 
 He will though.  Every dope who cuts a record suddenly fancies 
 himself a political theorist of the highest accord.


At least Clinton held his own. 

Charming.

And where would the TCN be without you're column?



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ...like stern, you have a choice to listen, to buy or subscribe or 
 argue about any of this.

Unless of course I own a radio station.  In Bruce's view, those 
Americans should have no choice, but be forced into a point of view 
the don't share. Fairness Doctrine crap.

Shut up and sing, Bruce.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[asburycouple]

His music has always been political Tom.  Bruce has always taken 
stands and focused his creative talents on them.  And he appears to 
be much more versed in it than you seem to feel.  I'm guessing he's 
had political discussions with politicians and a cross-section of 
leaders and influencers you only wish you could even have access 
to.  If he was espousing right-wing views you'd have no problem what-
so-ever and would be silent, and that's what is so comical here.  
Your transparency on this issue is your greatest weakness.  

Next you are going to say he shouldn't have written my city of 
ruins because he wasn't a qualified urban planner...  Tom, the sign 
of a great politician is knowing when you need to cut and run from a 
ridiculous position.  It's time on this one.  I don't often agree 
with you, but do give you far more credit than this.





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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ 
 wrote:
 
  So in 
  your view famous people don't get the same rights as everyone 
 else?  
 
 With power comes the responsibility not to abuse it.
 
 In TCN people read my column because of the politics - that's what 
I 
 write about.  I don't use the opportunity to write about baking or 
 quantum mechanics.  It wouldn't be responsible for me to do so.
 
 People tune into Bruce to hear music, in which he excels. For him 
to 
 give political speeches is irresponsible.
 
 See if you can find a You Tube of the last time he was on 60 
 Minutes.  When they talked music, he was comfortable and 
brilliant.  
 When they brought up politics, he stumbled, was uncomfortable, 
etc.  
 
 He's on 60 minutes again Sunday.  You'll see what I mean.
 
 Since he has no real talent for it, he should not abuse his access 
 to a wider audience.  
 
 He will though.  Every dope who cuts a record suddenly fancies 
 himself a political theorist of the highest accord.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[justifiedright]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When radio stations chose to stop 
 playing Dixie chick music, THEY were making a political statement. 
The thing that the 
 Dixie Chicks said in London was a statement that one of them made 
on stage. Free 
 Speech.


I think by the above statement then you agree with me that Bruce's 
criticism of the radio station was wrong, since the station has free 
speech rights.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

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 He's also a hypocrite.  He was very critical of radio station owners 
 who boycotted Dixie Chicks.  Don't radio station owners have free 
 speech rights?  You can always change the station, right?
 

They have free speech rights but because they utilize PUBLIC
radiowaves they DO NOT have the right to boycott someone because of
their political views.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[oakdorf]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I can't wait until I come out with my politically charged solo album 
so I can hear you call me a 
 dope.
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
 

   
   He will though.  Every dope who cuts a record suddenly fancies 
   himself a political theorist of the highest accord.
  


Was that to me or justified??



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And where would the TCN be without you're column?

So heavily weighted on its left side it would fall over that way.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 They have free speech rights but because they utilize PUBLIC
 radiowaves they DO NOT have the right to boycott someone because of
 their political views.

That's a Fairness Doctrine argument.  Very authoritarian - not like 
you.

That's like saying Maureen should not have a show unless the station 
follows her show with one of opposite viewpoint.

I'm too much of a believer in speech that is unregulated by government 
to agree with that.

By the way - Bruce was critical of the people who were holding 
protests where they would break Dixie Chick CD's under heavy equipment.

So he sided with the millionaire entertainers over the little working 
class people that buy the CD's.  

So much for the working class hero mystique.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Hinge]

Bruce doesn't control anything. He makes music. People who like his music, buy 
it, and 
listen to it. Same thing as Howard Stern. It's called Free Will
And your Dixie Chick argument doesn't hold any steam. When radio stations chose 
to stop 
playing Dixie chick music, THEY were making a political statement. The thing 
that the 
Dixie Chicks said in London was a statement that one of them made on stage. 
Free 
Speech.
The songs that the radio stations were boycotting were Dixie Chicks songs that 
didn't 
contain that statement, or anything political. They were love songs, and fun 
songs, 
somebody done somebody wrong songs.
If the radio stations started boycotting everybody with an opinion, there would 
be nothing 
left to listen to. People have opinions. 
And let's be honest and get to the core. Bush has polarized this nation. People 
aren't 
happy, and if they are and think nothing is wrong, then they really aren't 
being good 
Americans, they are being ignorant.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
 He's not 
  bigger then the radio stations. He doesn't own radio.
 
 That's the opposite of what I said.
 
 Let me do a comparison.
 
 1) I complained that Bruce controls a wide audience because of his 
 music; shouldn't abuse that and use the audience for politics.
 
 2) My opinion above was opposed by folks who don't mind Bruce doing 
 that.
 
 3) I pointed out that the complaint I made about Bruce, Bruce made 
 about the radio stations not playing the Dixie Chicks.  The stations 
 were bigger than the Chicks.  Bruce felt the stations should not use 
 their music audience for politics.
 
 4) I can't seem to get anyone to address the hypocrisy presented by 
 you and Bruce becuase 1 and 3 above are the same complaint.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[justifiedright]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Justified.
 I'm expecting you to pick up and instrument and play with me :)

I'd be thrilled to have you teach me a few things.  You having played 
with Bruce, it puts me one degree away from him in that Kevin Bacon 
game.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[asburycouple]

Once again, you don't know when to cut and run



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
  
  They have free speech rights but because they utilize PUBLIC
  radiowaves they DO NOT have the right to boycott someone because 
of
  their political views.
 
 That's a Fairness Doctrine argument.  Very authoritarian - not 
like 
 you.
 
 That's like saying Maureen should not have a show unless the 
station 
 follows her show with one of opposite viewpoint.
 
 I'm too much of a believer in speech that is unregulated by 
government 
 to agree with that.
 
 By the way - Bruce was critical of the people who were holding 
 protests where they would break Dixie Chick CD's under heavy 
equipment.
 
 So he sided with the millionaire entertainers over the little 
working 
 class people that buy the CD's.  
 
 So much for the working class hero mystique.





 
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

He's not 
 bigger then the radio stations. He doesn't own radio.

That's the opposite of what I said.

Let me do a comparison.

1) I complained that Bruce controls a wide audience because of his 
music; shouldn't abuse that and use the audience for politics.

2) My opinion above was opposed by folks who don't mind Bruce doing 
that.

3) I pointed out that the complaint I made about Bruce, Bruce made 
about the radio stations not playing the Dixie Chicks.  The stations 
were bigger than the Chicks.  Bruce felt the stations should not use 
their music audience for politics.

4) I can't seem to get anyone to address the hypocrisy presented by 
you and Bruce becuase 1 and 3 above are the same complaint.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[asburycouple]

Radio stations use public airwaves - are public domain.  Apples and 
oranges in everyone's world but yours.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I want him to shut up because he does not deserve a wide audience 
on 
 politics.  He gets the wide audience on music, then abuses that by 
 switching over.
 
 Also - he is a hypocrite.  He is bigger than us, so he gets to 
speak 
 to that wide audience.  The radio stations are bigger than the 
Dixie 
 Chicks, and he was livid that they would speak by boycotting them.
 
 You seem to be a fair guy Jack.  You have to admit Bruce was a 
 hypocrite for crying foul against the radio station owners.
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
  But why? Do you even know what he's saying?
  Do you want him to shut up just because he may be saying 
something 
 you disagree with?
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   You should speak out.  Bruce should shut up and sing.
   
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
   
I can see a parallel here between me trying to moderate this 
 group 
   to this Bruce discussion 
as it relates to what you call microphone abuse
I knew that when I posted what I said below it would make me 
 look 
   like a hypocrite.
When you go see a Bruce show, you aren't going to hear him 
   pontificate for 3 hours about 
politics. He may sprinkle his show with some of it, but you 
 also 
   get classic songs and lot's 
of great live rock and roll. Same with his recordings. It's 
 not 
   all politics.
Don't you think many of us here in America are upset with 
 what's 
   going on in our country?
To not speak out is just being wimpy and equates to hiding 
 your 
   head in the sand.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
   justifiedright@ wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ 
wrote:
 
  Also, if somebody said to you Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND 
   PRACTICE 
 LAW!! I'd defend 
  you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions.
  It's just like the way people used to get angry about 
 Howard 
   Stern. 
 You have a 
  choice...listen, or tune away.
 
 The difference is that Bruce and others like him 
   commit microphone 
 abuse.
 
 There are people on this board that study and follow 
 politics 
   more 
 closely than he does.  The problems is we can't gather a 
 wide 
   audience.
 
 Bruce gets a wide audience for a different reason - music. 
 Then 
   he 
 abuses that by talking politics, not music.  He has 
nothing 
 more 
 important to say than anyone else, but abuses his postion 
to 
 get 
   his 
 thoughts stated widely.
 
 He's also a hypocrite.  He was very critical of radio 
 station 
   owners 
 who boycotted Dixie Chicks.  Don't radio station owners 
have 
   free 
 speech rights?  You can always change the station, right?
 
 Don't

   
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[oakdorf]

...like stern, you have a choice to listen, to buy or subscribe or 
argue about any of this.

Now that I think of it, I ahven't heard Howard since he went to the pay 
for radio route nor do I have the time if I turn on the TV to watch. 

Life goes on.

Like Howard, Bruce has done ok with the $ without me and spekaing their 
minds.

They should BOTH be in AP. Both had very good management and marketing 
behind them. Smart marketing.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 So in 
 your view famous people don't get the same rights as everyone 
else?  

With power comes the responsibility not to abuse it.

In TCN people read my column because of the politics - that's what I 
write about.  I don't use the opportunity to write about baking or 
quantum mechanics.  It wouldn't be responsible for me to do so.

People tune into Bruce to hear music, in which he excels. For him to 
give political speeches is irresponsible.

See if you can find a You Tube of the last time he was on 60 
Minutes.  When they talked music, he was comfortable and brilliant.  
When they brought up politics, he stumbled, was uncomfortable, etc.  

He's on 60 minutes again Sunday.  You'll see what I mean.

Since he has no real talent for it, he should not abuse his access 
to a wider audience.  

He will though.  Every dope who cuts a record suddenly fancies 
himself a political theorist of the highest accord.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Hinge]

Dude, you are talking yourself into a huge hole. You really are.
Compare Bruce to Bob Dylan. By saying what you said below, then Bruce and Dylan 
should've just been instrumental artists, because people listen to the lyrics.
Bruce isn't abusing anything because people have a choice. You either like him 
and listen, 
or you don't. Bruce haters don't listen to him. 
And when you say that Bruce has no talent for political talk, aren't you just 
comparing 
yourself to him? Are you saying that you have a talent in that dept? I'm not 
saying you 
don't, but that is an extremely weak argument.
Remember the movie Forrest Gump?
There was some pretty profound logic in there. Just because you say something 
that lacks 
eloquence doesn't mean the message isn't valid.
Thank you.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ 
 wrote:
 
  So in 
  your view famous people don't get the same rights as everyone 
 else?  
 
 With power comes the responsibility not to abuse it.
 
 In TCN people read my column because of the politics - that's what I 
 write about.  I don't use the opportunity to write about baking or 
 quantum mechanics.  It wouldn't be responsible for me to do so.
 
 People tune into Bruce to hear music, in which he excels. For him to 
 give political speeches is irresponsible.
 
 See if you can find a You Tube of the last time he was on 60 
 Minutes.  When they talked music, he was comfortable and brilliant.  
 When they brought up politics, he stumbled, was uncomfortable, etc.  
 
 He's on 60 minutes again Sunday.  You'll see what I mean.
 
 Since he has no real talent for it, he should not abuse his access 
 to a wider audience.  
 
 He will though.  Every dope who cuts a record suddenly fancies 
 himself a political theorist of the highest accord.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Hinge]

I can't wait until I come out with my politically charged solo album so I can 
hear you call me a 
dope.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
  
  He will though.  Every dope who cuts a record suddenly fancies 
  himself a political theorist of the highest accord.
 
 
 At least Clinton held his own. 
 
 Charming.
 
 And where would the TCN be without you're column?





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Hinge]

Justified.
I'm expecting you to pick up and instrument and play with me :)

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I can't wait until I come out with my politically charged solo album 
 so I can hear you call me a 
  dope.
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
  
 

He will though.  Every dope who cuts a record suddenly fancies 
himself a political theorist of the highest accord.
   
 
 
 Was that to me or justified??





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Hinge]

We all have speech rights. That's the point, isn't it?
It's one of the only founding principles we still have left to hold on to.

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  Once again, you don't know when to cut and run
 
 You keep asking me not to talk.  That's how this got started, me 
 telling Bruce to shut up and sing and folks telling me that he has 
 speech rights.
 
 I don't?
 
 You live in Bruce's world.  I'll ask the Dixie Chicks's permission 
 next time I want to talk.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
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 People tune into Bruce to hear music, in which he excels. For him to 
 give political speeches is irresponsible.

If musicians or artists stayed out of politics we would be living
under a totalitarian government (maybe we are come to think of it), and 

The Vietnam War may have continued for more years
Girls would have never burned their bras
Allan Ginsberg would have never written Howl
The voices of Woody Guthrie, Bob Dylan and countless others would have
been silent
and Picasso would have never painted Guernica

If artists were not political, the world would be artless. You and
Guiliani would be happy.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Hinge]

Actually I was talking to Oak, but you can join the band too.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
  Justified.
  I'm expecting you to pick up and instrument and play with me :)
 
 I'd be thrilled to have you teach me a few things.  You having played 
 with Bruce, it puts me one degree away from him in that Kevin Bacon 
 game.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

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 Once again, you don't know when to cut and run

You keep asking me not to talk.  That's how this got started, me 
telling Bruce to shut up and sing and folks telling me that he has 
speech rights.

I don't?

You live in Bruce's world.  I'll ask the Dixie Chicks's permission 
next time I want to talk.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[asburycouple]

Oh Tom, I'm not asking you not to talk at all - you feel free to 
continue ranting on.  I wasn't trying to stop you from expressing your 
opinion or limit your first amendment rights in any way.  Instead I 
was providing some friendly advice as you chase your ridiculous pov 
and argue any credibility you have right down the toilet.

Keep up the good work.






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[MMMAPNJ]

 
In a message dated 10/5/2007 8:34:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

He's  also a hypocrite. He was very critical of radio station owners 
who  boycotted Dixie Chicks. Don't radio station owners have free 
speech  rights? 


the airwaves belong to the public.
 
Stupid Supremes claimed corporations have the SAME free speech as flesh and  
blood citizens.
 
Movement is afoot to return to some form of Equal Time provisions before  
handing over a public asset to private interests.
 
 



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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Jersey Shore John]

no you didn't. constantly declaring yourself the winner and  
deciding when other people agree with you. must be nice.


On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:24 AM, justifiedright wrote:


I bet that you would miss the point. I won.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 awww. you don't have a microphone. life's tough.

 On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:34 AM, justifiedright wrote:

  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
  
   Also, if somebody said to you Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND PRACTICE
  LAW!! I'd defend
   you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions.
   It's just like the way people used to get angry about Howard
Stern.
  You have a
   choice...listen, or tune away.
 
  The difference is that Bruce and others like him
commit microphone
  abuse.
 
  There are people on this board that study and follow politics
more
  closely than he does. The problems is we can't gather a wide
audience.
 
  Bruce gets a wide audience for a different reason - music. Then
he
  abuses that by talking politics, not music. He has nothing more
  important to say than anyone else, but abuses his postion to get
his
  thoughts stated widely.
 
  He's also a hypocrite. He was very critical of radio station
owners
  who boycotted Dixie Chicks. Don't radio station owners have free
  speech rights? You can always change the station, right?
 
  Don't
 
 
 

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Jersey Shore John]

he does not deserve a wide audience 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:31 AM, justifiedright wrote:


I want him to shut up because he does not deserve a wide audience on
politics. He gets the wide audience on music, then abuses that by
switching over.

Also - he is a hypocrite. He is bigger than us, so he gets to speak
to that wide audience. The radio stations are bigger than the Dixie
Chicks, and he was livid that they would speak by boycotting them.

You seem to be a fair guy Jack. You have to admit Bruce was a
hypocrite for crying foul against the radio station owners.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 But why? Do you even know what he's saying?
 Do you want him to shut up just because he may be saying something
you disagree with?

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  You should speak out. Bruce should shut up and sing.
 
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
  
   I can see a parallel here between me trying to moderate this
group
  to this Bruce discussion
   as it relates to what you call microphone abuse
   I knew that when I posted what I said below it would make me
look
  like a hypocrite.
   When you go see a Bruce show, you aren't going to hear him
  pontificate for 3 hours about
   politics. He may sprinkle his show with some of it, but you
also
  get classic songs and lot's
   of great live rock and roll. Same with his recordings. It's
not
  all politics.
   Don't you think many of us here in America are upset with
what's
  going on in our country?
   To not speak out is just being wimpy and equates to hiding
your
  head in the sand.
  
  
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
  justifiedright@ wrote:
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:

 Also, if somebody said to you Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND
  PRACTICE
LAW!! I'd defend
 you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions.
 It's just like the way people used to get angry about
Howard
  Stern.
You have a
 choice...listen, or tune away.
   
The difference is that Bruce and others like him
  commit microphone
abuse.
   
There are people on this board that study and follow
politics
  more
closely than he does. The problems is we can't gather a
wide
  audience.
   
Bruce gets a wide audience for a different reason - music.
Then
  he
abuses that by talking politics, not music. He has nothing
more
important to say than anyone else, but abuses his postion to
get
  his
thoughts stated widely.
   
He's also a hypocrite. He was very critical of radio
station
  owners
who boycotted Dixie Chicks. Don't radio station owners have
  free
speech rights? You can always change the station, right?
   
Don't
   
  
 

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Jersey Shore John]

JR decides if and when you agree with him. got it?

On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:44 AM, justifiedright wrote:


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When radio stations chose to stop
 playing Dixie chick music, THEY were making a political statement.
The thing that the
 Dixie Chicks said in London was a statement that one of them made
on stage. Free
 Speech.

I think by the above statement then you agree with me that Bruce's
criticism of the radio station was wrong, since the station has free
speech rights.

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Jersey Shore John]

here we all are again: trying to debate in the parallel universe of  
right. round and round and round and round.


On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Hinge wrote:


Actually I was talking to Oak, but you can join the band too.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
  Justified.
  I'm expecting you to pick up and instrument and play with me :)

 I'd be thrilled to have you teach me a few things. You having played
 with Bruce, it puts me one degree away from him in that Kevin Bacon
 game.

[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[evosap]

I thought I posted this earlier.  I really could use some enlightening
on this.  How is asking how and why wiretapping, torture, and voter
purging are happening political?  Do you really think that only
someone with a political background is allowed to address these issues?  

We are taught certain things about our beautiful country in
school...when the news lets us know otherwise, can we open our mouths
about them only if we are not famous or famous with a political
background?

Springsteen is a citizen with a following that is due partially to his
being a pretty talented singer/songwriter/performer and partially
because Americans seem to deeply need heroes. (I happen to think there
is a wacky trip going on in those over the age of 30 who are bizarrely
devoted to complete strangers but...)

You are so off on this JR.  An artist expresses himself; is then
questioned on his work; he answers.

You only want him to shut up because he is exposing a corrupt
administration you can't let go of.  And he isn't even exposing, he is
simply sharing his feelings about what is all over the press.

I don't think you have anything to worry about anyway.  We Americans
are a sleepy bunch.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[justifiedright]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 how do you feel about the no talent ted nugent? lee greenwood? toby  
 keith? free speech okay with them but not others?

How often do they get the 60 Minutes platform?



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics

[Jersey Shore John]

And who's fault is that? Maybe it's o'l The Voice of the Right  
Teddy's:


http://tinyurl.com/yplkyz


On Oct 5, 2007, at 6:58 PM, justifiedright wrote:


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 how do you feel about the no talent ted nugent? lee greenwood? toby
 keith? free speech okay with them but not others?

How often do they get the 60 Minutes platform?