Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family size survey

[John Vasconcelos]

Well, as I saiid, my grandmother had 17 births and raised a child from a
previous relationship my GF had as one of her own.As I said, one tough lady.

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 6:03 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Hi John, Guess I wasn't clear. I am interested in how many births the
> woman had. Thanks, Cheri
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 1:43 PM John Vasconcelos  wrote:
>
>> *My Paternal Grandfather Francisco Vitorino Vasconcelos had 17 kids
>> 1870-1896*
>>
>> *My Grandmother died in 1948 at age 95, one tough lady *
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 6:34 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Can you all let me know the largest Azorean family you have in your
>>> database? I prefer the late 1800s onwards, and it must be from ONE wife.
>>> All kids, whether or not they lived to adulthood.
>>>
>>> Example: 14 kids from ONE wife, includes one set of twins. Kids born
>>> from 1890-1913.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family size survey

[John Vasconcelos]

*My Paternal Grandfather Francisco Vitorino Vasconcelos had 17 kids
1870-1896*

*My Grandmother died in 1948 at age 95, one tough lady *

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 6:34 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Can you all let me know the largest Azorean family you have in your
> database? I prefer the late 1800s onwards, and it must be from ONE wife.
> All kids, whether or not they lived to adulthood.
>
> Example: 14 kids from ONE wife, includes one set of twins. Kids born from
> 1890-1913.
>
> Thanks, Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sears/Soares from Pico to Merced, California married Freitas Caldeira from Flores

[John Vasconcelos]

Gwen,
My gggrandfather Jose de Freitas da Caldeira was born 02 Aug 1774,
Caldeira, Mosteiro, Lajes das Flores, married 29 Aug 1796  at Nossa Sra dos
Remediios (in Fajazinha) to Ana Pimentel, born 10 Oct 1776, Lajedo, Lajes
das Flores. They were the parents of my ggrandfather Francisco de Freitas.
Caldeira is a small settlement (of about 2 or 3 houses) in the next valley
over the hill from Fajazinha so the residents were parishinors of Nossa Sra
dos Remedios. (Caldeira literally means crater and was the site of an
ancient volcanic crater) So Caldeira is a location name and his full name
could be translated to "Joe Freitas from Craterville"  These  suffixes
(especially upon immigration) have a tendency of becoming the official
surname. So we might be cousins!
I have 3 or 4 more generations back, so if you are interested, email me at
GfsJohnV at gmail dot com.
John Vasconcelos

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:14 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Gwen, 123caldeira at gmail.com
>
> Recently did Ancestry.com DNA, am now backtracking to find info on
> paternal side (already had maternal DNA matches and know many maternal
> first-third cousins).
>
> My paternal grandmother's name was Mary Sears in some records, but Mary
> could be Maria, and Sears could be Soares.  No middle name known.She
> died in Merced County in March, 1965, and  was born about 1889 possibly in
> Pico, Azores. We have nothing on the yr she emigrated nor port of entry,
> but family story is she worked on a sheep ranch in Idaho for a  few yrs
> under sponsorship of an uncle (no name) and may have had at least one
> brother here in the US (we think it was Anthony or Antonio Sears/Soares).
> She married Joseph Freitas Caldeira (we think from Flores, Azores) in
> Contra Costa Cty in 1911, then settled in Gustine, CA, had 5 living
> children, including my Dad, Joseph (Jr).  Joseph Freitas Caldeira 1921
> death cert says his parents were Frank Freitas Caldeira and Mary Sousa of
> the Azores.  We have no info on Mary's parents' names; picked up the Pico,
> Azores birthplace from a Google Group string from 2013 which seemed to
> match my grandmother's dates.Using DNA matches from maternal relatives
> I've picked out  names of 2nd and 3rd cousins in my own DNA matches that I
> believe may be related to me through my paternal grandfather/grandmother;
> no responses  yet from messages sent through Ancestry.com so think I need
> more names/info on both paternal grands.
>
> I'd appreciate help  picking up info or links  on both of my paternal
> grandparents, but especially on my grandmother  Mary/Maria Soares/Sears
> e.g. we'd like to find out if her maiden surname was really Sears or Soares
> or something else as my DNA ethnicity groups show unexpected possibility
> of non-Portuguese lineage in the paternal greatgrandparent generation
> (Italian and Irish in very high percentages). Thanks, Gwen
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Fwd: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fajazinha, Flores

[John Vasconcelos]

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From: Cheri Mello 
Date: Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 3:13 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fajazinha, Flores
To: Azores Genealogy 


Repost for No Name, matheodearanda at gmail.com

>From a 2 year old post for Fajazinha (No Name, the messages over 30 days
old are closed, so it is best you just start a new message).

<< This is Rua do Engenho (I'm from Fajãzinha). I might even guess what
house it is.
Best wishes,>>
*I am quite familiar with the area. I've been there several times, the
first time in 1973, last time in 2008.*

Then No Name posts another sentence and tries to provide a different email
address that I'm not allowed to see:
<
*I am also familiar with the house of Filomena. Filomena Freitas was my
mother's  (Ana Freitas Vasconcelos) sister. Julia was probably not her
sister but her ward. From what I've been able to put together, Julia was
probably the illegitamate child of an unknown (to me) family member. I and
my late uncle (Jose J Freitas) stayed in that house on my first trip to
Flores in 1973. Since neither Filomena nor Julia had children, I have no
idea who now owns the house. Matheo, I would be interested in any
information you might have.*
*John J Vasconcelos (aka Primo Joao Jaime by my Flores cousins) The mother
of Jose Maria Silva and Regina Silva Miereles was my first cousin.*

Then this:
<< For the mills check http://www.fajazinhawatermill.wordpress.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Understanding towns of Portugal and if they are part of azores

[John Vasconcelos]

*Celeste,*

*I lived in the SF Bay area from about 1966 to 1975 while attending grad
school at UC Berkeley. During that time, I got to know Mary Martins who was
a co-parishinor at Holy Spirit Parish/Newman Center in Berkeley. A few
years ago, she was listed in the Cal Alumni Magazine as involved in a
school for children in mainland Portugal. I contacted her by email at that
time and she said that she indeed had been involved in such an undertaking
but I didn't ask for any details. She must be the niece. According to
currently available information, she is 91 years old and a resident of San
Francisco. Think I'll try to contact her for an update.*

*John Vasconcelos.*
*. *

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 2:54 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> Holly, my maternal grandfather was born in a very small village, Ligares,
> that is in
> Tras-os-Montes.  The location is as Cheri posted.  What I did was found a
> wall size map of the mainland of Portugal and that is the only place I
> could find Ligares.  There are a lot of very small villages in those
> mountains.  The only reason I was able to locate Ligares was that a day
> care center and now a senior facility was built there by monsignor Martins
> nephew and niece.  Ligares does not have a school and the nuns that ran the
> daycare and now senior center taught the children to read.
>
> The first time I visited Ligares was in 1989.  There were a lot of
> children and their grandparents in the village.  The parents were working
> in distant cities and even distant countries because there was no work in
> the village (except picking almonds).  The sister that ran the center told
> me that the kids were socially retarded because they only had the old
> people taking care of them.
>
> Celeste
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>
> 
> On Sun, 4/8/18, Holly Holden <holly69hol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Understanding towns of Portugal and if they
> are part of azores
>  To: "Azores Genealogy" <azores@googlegroups.com>
>  Date: Sunday, April 8, 2018, 11:18 AM
>
>  Great grandfather Domingos A Matias has the
>  following listed as his place of birth.  Trying to
>  pinpoint exactly where and would like to know if these
>  locations that I believe are on are the mainland are part of
>  the azores.
>
>  Boticas, Alturas Vilarinho Seco,
>  Tras-os Montes, Portugal
>
>  Any help is much appreciated,
>
>  Holly Joaquin-Holden
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Fwd: [AZORES-Genealogy] What do you call a suburb?

[John Vasconcelos]

* Cheri,*






*Regarding "aldeia" there is one use of that designation that is unique to
the Island of Flores. The small abandoned lugar of Cuada (formerly known as
Quada) between the Freguesias of Faja Grande and Fajazinha is now known as
"Aldeia da Cuada" (google it). I don't know all the details or legalities
but, in summary, back about 2000, a couple of entrepreneurs ( the husband
from Pico and the wife from Flores) obtained funding and permission to
lease or purchase an abandoned village, install modern but simple kitchens
and bathrooms and a phone line. I have stayed there 3 or 4 times. When I
was there the summer of 2002, I got up in the wee hours of the morning and
called into the AOL geanealogy chat room and surprised the host (don't
remember the host but it wasn't you Cheri - might have been Mel). Granted,
it wasn't an official government designation, but the name of government
sanctioned resort. Aldeia da Cuada, Ilha das Flores - Açores. Turismo rural
Açores. aldeiadacuada.com/en/
 *
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From: Cheri Mello 
Date: Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What do you call a suburb?
To: Azores Genealogy 


The words vary from the Azores to the continent.

In the Azores, a suburb or neighborhood is usually referred to as a "lugar"
in the documents.

Freguesia is a civil parish, not a church parish. Let's not go there and
confuse people, because most North Americans (who are Catholic) think of
their parish as the church that they attend. So just call a freguesia a
freguesia. It's what used in the documents. They don't say aldeia in the
Azores. I haven't seen it in a document, but I've seen it in the online
language class (continental Portuguese).  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Judy Thompson  wrote:

> We all refer to places like Lajes  on Pico in concelho of Lajes as a
> freguesia but what do we call places like Ribeira do Meio or Rua Nova which
> are like suburbs or neighborhoods in Lajes or for Ribeira Seca in Calheta
> on Sao Jorge, what do we call Portal or Entre Grutoes?  Can't find my
> English/Portuguese dictionary so looked on google translate and found the
> following possibilities:
>
> suburb = suburbio
> village = aldeia
> town or city = cidade
> neighborhood = bairro
>
> Also did not realize that freguesia is actually parish.
>
> Hoping Portuguese speakers will have an answer.
>
> Thx for any clarification.
>
> Judy Thompson
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese social group

[John Vasconcelos]

*The following was copied from the PFSA web site.*

*John Vasconcelos*

Chartered on August 1, 1880, the Portuguese Society of America (PFSA) is
the result of the Merger of four great societies as of January 1, 2010:

Conselho Supremo da Irmandade do Divino Espirito Santo do Estado da
Califórnia

(Supreme Council of IDES)

Conselho Supremo da Sociedade do Espirito Santo do Estado da Califórnia

(Supreme Council of SES)

Conselho Supremo da União Portuguesa do Estado da Califórnia

(Supreme Council of UPEC)

Conselho Supremo da União Portuguesa Protectora do Estado da Califórnia

(Supreme Council of UPPEC)
The merger resulted in the PFSA now having the largest membership and the
financially strongest Portuguese Fraternal Benefit Society in the Nation.
The PFSA Home Office is located in San Leandro, CA and the Society is
licensed to transact business in California, Nevada and Rhode Island and
has 67 fraternal councils (local subordinate chapters). We are proud of the
dreams and vision of our forefathers and continue to honor their vision by
succeeding and meeting the challenges of the XXI century with dignity and
pride


On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

> SES is probably Portuguese for Sociedade do Espirito Santo or Society of
> the Holy Spirit. I'm guessing FM may be the area of California. What city
> was your ancestor in?
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2018 2:29 PM, "Gordon soares" <gws...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone ever heard of the SESFM Portuguese lodge in the Calif area?
> Manual Machado Soares was supposedly one of the 6 founding members and was
> the President for awhile. He is my grand father born in Pico.I don’t know
> what the SESFM stands for.
>
> Gordon Soares
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Learning to speak Portuguese

[John Vasconcelos]

My experience with the Portuguese Language is not typical of most
Potuguese-Americans. I was born on a farm (literally in the farmhouse) in
the Central Valley of California, son of Azorean immigrants from the Island
of Flores. My father had immigrated in 1908 and my mother in 1928 about 5
years before I was born. Our everyday language was Portuguese so, in
effect, Portuguese was my first language. My nearest playmate was a girl a
few months older who lived about a quarter mile away whose father was
Portuguese-American. I started picking up a little English with her but
spoke little when I started school.
By the time I finished high school, I spoke little Portuguese, My parents
spoke to me in Portuguese, I replied in English or "Portuglish". Then, a
family of cousins immigrated from Flores. For the first time in years I had
to speak Portuguese and it re-ignited my interest in the Portuguese
Language. including the acquired ability to read and write simple letters.
Then after finishing grad school, I was offered a position in Brazil by an
International Environmental Engineering firm. That was my introduction to
Brazilian Portuguese. It was difficult at first but I eventually I got it
aided by the fact that I met and married a "Brasileira".
I now speak Portuguese with an undefined accent. When I am in Portugal,
people ask what part of Brazil I'm from and when in Brazil, they may ask
where I'm from. Early on,  a Brazilian friend identified my accent as being
an "Island" accent.
John Vasconcelos


On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 4:45 AM, MaryAnn Santos <m...@nyu.edu> wrote:

> In preparation for my first trip to Azores and Lisbon in 1994 I took a
> semester of intensive elementary Brazilian Portuguese at NYU. I didn't
> realize there would be a big difference between the languages of Brazil and
> Portugal but there are.
>
> For one, the use of second person singular você but not tu is used in
> Brazil whereas both are used in Portugal with specific rules about when to
> use the familiar tu and when to use você. Also, pronunciation is very
> different. For example the word for aunt - tia - is pronounced "chia" in
> Brazil - not so in Portugal. On my first trip to Portugal everyone thought
> I was Brazilian - I didn't know how to conjugate verbs using tu so I just
> added an "ess" to the end of the verb for você. Instead of saying você
> quere (do you want) I'd say tu queres (but only to someone I was very
> familiar with) - it sometimes worked but irregular verbs in Portuguese are
> a real challenge. I certainly made a lot of mistakes!
>
> Two years later I learned about a month-long culture and language summer
> program for "estrangeiros" at the University of Lisbon. Here's the link.
>
> http://www.fcsh.unl.pt/clcp/verao/cursos.html
>
> It wasn't that expensive and I was able to get funding from Instituto
> Camões. Here's the link.
>
> (www.instituto-camoes.pt/activity/o-que-fazemos/
> aprender-portugues/bolsas-de-estudo)
>
> If you can spend a month in Lisbon in July I would highly recommend this
> program.
>
> MaryAnn
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 12:19 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Good morning is "Bom dia." In European Portuguese, it's "Bom dia." In
>> Brazilian, it's "Bom G-ah." You say "G" then "ah." That's how you pronounce
>> the leading "D" in Brazilian Portuguese. Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mendoza versus Mendonca

[John Vasconcelos]

*My father who immigrated to the US in 1908, went for a time by the name of
John Mendoza (I have seen old utility bills with that name) for a reason
lost to history. He is shown on the Ellis Island web site as Joao Vitorino
Vasconcellos. His mother's maiden name was *


*Mendonça so I suspect that this happened sometime after immigrating but we
have no idea why. When he went back to the Azores in 1928 to marry my
mother, he was not yet a naturalized citizen so when he renewed his
Portuguese passport, some Portuguese beauracrat must have "corrected" the
spelling of his birth name to the modern spelling of Vasconcelos.*

*John J Vasconcelos*

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> The priest wrote it correctly.  Mendoza with the diacritic comma
> underneath it to soften the Z sound to the C sound.  Without the letter N.
>
> One must remember Portugal had come through the Revolution war of 1640
> against the Spanish who ruled Portugal for about 60 years. With Spain
> recognising Portugal only in 1668.
>
> Mendoza is Spanish and in fact it is originally Galician which was
> converted slowly to Mendonza to current day Mendonça.
>
> Margaret
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 9:39 PM, JR  wrote:
>
>> Actually I think it is the usual Mendonça with the n being omitted or
>> truncated. We see this all time. Not really a variation, more like letter
>> being compacted or missed.
>>
>> JR
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 6:34:10 PM UTC-4, Sme wrote:
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-
>>> RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P114.html
>>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> [left side]Ran across this baptismal of what I think is one of my
>>> grandaunts.  Luzia  b: 27 Jan 1708.
>>>
>>> Father is listed as Manoel Machado Mendoza (with a mark under the
>>> "z").  Is this a variation of Mendonça ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Suzanne
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Pimentel, of Faja Grande, Flores - need help deciphering a phrase

[John Vasconcelos]

*Not only have I been there, but I have ancestors from there, my 4th
ggparents, Andre de Freitas and Luzia Rois (Rodrigues). They are end of
line so I can only estimate their dob but their daughter, isabel de
Freitas, was married in 1743 So I would estimate that they would have been
born in the early 1700s. *

*The village of Quada ( It's located between Faja Grande and Fajazinha) was
abandoned in the 60's but has since been converted into a resort. We have
stayed ther a couple of times and it's really great.Goggle it!*
*What is even more interesting is that I might related to "Senador Andre de
Freitas", a local political figure from the early 20th century, who
eventually became govenor of the Horta District. When I asked The managers
at "Aldeia da Cuada" (modern spelling)  which house belonged to Andre de
Freitas, they pointed out a house that was in ruins but was plastered
inside and out, the only house in Quada that was, indicating to me that the
original owner had been a person of means.*

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, lugar (modern spelling) da Quada. More of a neighborhood, I think.
> John Vasconcelos of this list has been there. Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Corvo surnames: de Avelar (Avellar), Vallentine.

[John Vasconcelos]

*Sarah,*

*My parents were both from Flores and I have visited Flores 5 or 6 times
but have only managed to get to Corvo once. Both islands are so hard to get
that you should plan to get there as your primary objective rather than as
an after thought. Believe me, you will see enough of the other islands
while waiting to make connections to Flores and Corvo. I suggest heading to
Flores directly and scheduling 2 weeks during which you would visit Corvo.
Since the weather is so changeable you would have more than one chance to
get to Corvo. It took 2 different trips to Flores, 2 different years before
I managed to get to Corvo once,  If you luck out and get to Corvo right
away, you can spend more time on the other islands.I agree with Susan on
Silvio Medina.*

*John Vasconcelos*



On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Sarah Avellar <skavel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks! Found the book by Francisco Gomes with Flores and Corvo church
> records and trying to learn to read Portuguese. We have 3 days on Flores,
> hope we get to Corvo, and 1 on Sao Miguel.
>
> On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 1:09:40 AM UTC-4, Susan Vargas Murphy wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sarah,
>>
>> We went to Flores in 2014 and used Silvio Medina for a full day tour on
>> Flores. There were 8 of us, including 4 teens/children. He was very  good
>> and I would recommend doing something like this. He knows everything about
>> the island and speaks English very well.
>>
>> His company is Tours of Flores and there are reviews on Trip advisor but
>> I just looked and some people mention a Marco. Maybe he has involved
>> someone else in his business.
>>
>> Sadly we could not go to Corvo as the weather was not good and the boats
>> were not running on the day we had saved for this.
>>
>> Flores is beautiful and not as touched with the modern world as some of
>> the other islands. Very quiet there. I hope you consider spending a
>> little time on one of the other islands. Sao Miguel is quite spectacular.
>>
>> Here is the Flores guide:
>>
>> https://toursofflores.com/contact/
>>
>> You are in for a treat!
>>
>> Susan Vargas Murphy
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Sarah Avellar <skav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Researching husband's ancestors on Corvo with surnames: de Avelar
>> (Avellar), Vallentine. Both families came to CA in 1880 - 1901. Also
>> planning a trip to Flores and Corvo soon. Any suggestions?
>> I don't read Portuguese and I find the hand-written parish records too
>> difficult to decipher. I do have a Portuguese dictionary. Are there other
>> sources of birth, death, marriage information? Any English translations?
>> Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy Easter - Feliz Pascoa thread

[John Vasconcelos]

*Marsha,*

*I think the word you're looking for is rosquilha which is defined as
"cake" but was a ring shaped loaf of "massa sovada" which we called "sweet
bread" or pao de ovo (literally "egg bread"). My reference is the Alvaro
Franco DICCIONARIO Ingles-Portugues Portgues-Ingles, Published 1939, Porto
Alegre, Brasil. My mother, born on Flores, Azores would knead the dough *

*and on a greased baking sheet and would fashion a ring shaped loaf around
an inverted bowel, cover it with a blanket next to a heater (this was
usually done in the winter) and allow it to rise before putting it in the
oven. The bowel was removed before baking.*

*John Vasconcelos. *

On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:24 PM, M. Stringer <strin...@mstringer.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Happy Easter!
>
> Seeing 'massa sevada' reminded me of a Portuguese/Italian/English question
> about one of our Easter treats.
>
> My Portuguese grandmother made an Italian pastry (sort of anisette
> biscotti). I remember watching as she shaped the dough into intricate
> baskets, bunnies, etc.  My question is re what she called it.  It sounds
> like (Rishh-kee-lee-ah).  No English translation.  I can't find a word (or
> multiple words?) like that in my dictionaries and guessing at random
> spelling attempts on Google Translate isn't working.
>
>
> Marsha Stringer
> strin...@mstringer.net
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com
> ]
> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:21 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy Easter - Feliz Pascoa thread
>
>
> Good for you, Mary.  I bought the massa sevada at the Portuguese bakery!
> Happy Easter everyone,, no matter how you got the great bread to eat for
> Easter.
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>
> 
> On Sat, 4/15/17, Mary Bordi <busybo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy Easter - Feliz Pascoa thread
>  To: azores@googlegroups.com
>  Date: Saturday, April 15, 2017, 11:18 AM
>
>  Happy Easter all!
>
>  I managed to bake some Easter bread this year. Wish I could  share it will
> everyone!
>
>  Mary
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records

[John Vasconcelos]

*Great idea Cheri, we need to figure out how to get them to you. Susan, I
was thinking about maybe donating them to the Freitas Library (after Cheri
gets them filmed), but after what you said, maybe I can donate them to a
Kings County historical organization of some type so it would be available
locally. I recall that Arlene Vierra Marcoux (who was born in the Hanford
Area), published her family genealogy and donated a copy to the Turlare
County Library which apparantly agreed to take that into their collection..
I found Arlene's mother in the SPRSI books I have. So I'll copy her and get
her input. *
*John *

On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

> John, I think you should give them to me so I can take them to Salt Lake
> to be filmed. Then they will have world wide distribution.
>
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 6:32 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I have been wondering the same thing John! I would not give them to these
>> organizations that have taken in the SPRSI and the others (Luso and
>> PFSA) I just don't think they will be interested in sharing the
>> information with people who are searching. This is just my intuition, not
>> based on any inquiry. I did try to find info on one of the men's groups
>> once and the person I talked to was not cooperative.
>>
>> I have thought about the Freitas Library as I think they allow others to
>> look at them (I know Kathy Cardoza went there many years ago and got access
>> to UPEC)
>> I have also thought about the Portuguese History Museum in San Jose but
>> don't know exactly what their focus is.
>>
>> I'm leaning on giving what I have to the Museum of Local History in
>> Mission San Jose as I like the idea of keeping them within the community
>> where these women lived and think that those who are really interested will
>> probably access their collection.
>>
>> I was responsible for my mom's cousin who died last year at age 95. She
>> had all the scrap books and the flag used in parades and the regalia that
>> they wore at meetings. I have already given them the flag and am making
>> arrangements right now to give the regalia. I hope to give the books also
>> but am not quite ready to give them up;)
>>
>> I am concerned for the legacy of the books... That is why I bothered to
>> carry them to Salt Lake to be microfilmed. That makes me feel good to know
>> if someone really searches, they will find them!
>>
>> Susan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 19, 2017, at 5:58 PM, John Vasconcelos <gfsjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> *Susan and Celeste,*
>>
>> *My aunt, Maria E. Vasconcelos Sousa was a member and for many years, an
>> officer of Council 42 of the SRPSI in Hanford from at least 1916, until her
>> death in 1957. I have some two of her minutes books: one from 1916 to 1924
>> and the other from 1934 to 1941. Wondering to which organization I should
>> donate them to,John Vasconcelos *
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 5:37 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The death records for the Union Portuguese Protetorda do Estado do
>>> California (not sure of spelling) is the fraternal organization
>>> (U.P.P.E.C.) and was the only organization I put into a database.  I think
>>> the S.P.R.S.I. joined Luso.
>>>
>>>  The U.P.P.E.C., the U.P.E.C., the I.D.E.S. and I think one other
>>> organization became P.F.S.A. (Portuguese Fraternal Society of America.)
>>>
>>> The one time I attempted to look at the S.P.R.S.I., (probably 20 years
>>> ago) I was told the "old" records were somewhere in their basement and they
>>> could not locate them.
>>> Celeste
>>> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 3/19/17, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records
>>>  To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>>  Date: Sunday, March 19, 2017, 4:15 PM
>>>
>>>  Celeste Perry had some,
>>>  but I don't remember which ladies organization.
>>>  Hopefully she'll answer soon.
>>>  On Mar 19, 2017 8:15
>>>  AM, "lisahbskt via Azores Genealogy" <azores@googlegroups.com>
>&g

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records

[John Vasconcelos]

*Susan and Celeste,*

*My aunt, Maria E. Vasconcelos Sousa was a member and for many years, an
officer of Council 42 of the SRPSI in Hanford from at least 1916, until her
death in 1957. I have some two of her minutes books: one from 1916 to 1924
and the other from 1934 to 1941. Wondering to which organization I should
donate them to,John Vasconcelos *

On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 5:37 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> The death records for the Union Portuguese Protetorda do Estado do
> California (not sure of spelling) is the fraternal organization
> (U.P.P.E.C.) and was the only organization I put into a database.  I think
> the S.P.R.S.I. joined Luso.
>
>  The U.P.P.E.C., the U.P.E.C., the I.D.E.S. and I think one other
> organization became P.F.S.A. (Portuguese Fraternal Society of America.)
>
> The one time I attempted to look at the S.P.R.S.I., (probably 20 years
> ago) I was told the "old" records were somewhere in their basement and they
> could not locate them.
> Celeste
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>
> 
> On Sun, 3/19/17, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records
>  To: azores@googlegroups.com
>  Date: Sunday, March 19, 2017, 4:15 PM
>
>  Celeste Perry had some,
>  but I don't remember which ladies organization.
>  Hopefully she'll answer soon.
>  On Mar 19, 2017 8:15
>  AM, "lisahbskt via Azores Genealogy" <azores@googlegroups.com>
>  wrote:
>  Does anyone know if and
>  where any existing records for SPRSI might be found?
>
>
>
>
>  My great grandmother Maria Azevedo Chipman was the
>  state President at one time.
>
>
>
>
>
>  Thank you!
>
>
>
>
>
>  Lisa Caetano Harley
>
>  researching Pico & Sao Jorge
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Missing Records - Lomba, Flores

[John Vasconcelos]

I don't know of any Lomba records prior to 1844. My paternal grandmother
was born in Lomba and I've only been able to trace that line back only 5
generations. I am not aware of any unpublished sources. Sometimes you can
luck out if for example,  your Lomba ancestor was married another Flores
parish.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:50 AM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know of ANY records for Lomba Flores that cover the period
> prior to 1844? I am looking for any information from around 1700-1770! Are
> there any unpublished manuscripts covering the region that anyone knows
> about? If so I would certainly appreciate it!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit

[John Vasconcelos]

*Ken,*



*I agree with Susan and Rosemarie.You're dreaming if you think you can
visit more than one Island in 3 days and do it justice. Your time would be
better spent doing one island well. The $82 trip to Terceira sounds like a
good deal. Summer is a great time with a lot of Festas and Portuguese style
bullfights on Terceira. Air reservations between islands can sometimes be
iffy and you could easily spend a good part of that time sitting in
airports. If  you want to get to Graciosa, I would consider dumping Morocco
and use that time to visit Graciosa. There are inter-island ferries that
operate between about May - September and connect Terceria to the central
group which includes Graciosa.Google Azores islands Inter-island ferry's
and look at the Yellow Line Schedules. That is cheaper than flying and may
offer more flexability. What does your schedule look like, maybe we can
come up with more suggestions if we knew? *

*John Vasconcelos*
* .*

On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Ken Waters <satwatcher@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Everybody,
>
> I just booked a 2-week open trip to Spain and am hoping to include a swing
> through the Azores out of Lisbon maybe for about 3 days. I have so many
> questions, looking for advice from those who may have visited. First of
> all, it would be wonderful to look up da Silva family on Graciosa. Is there
> anyone on this list from the island who could maybe help me out? It looks
> like some of the other islands are more of a magnet for tourists.  Any
> favorite islands of the group?
>
> Also is TAP out of Lisbon the best way to get there? A quick look found
> $82 RT fares Lisbon to Terceira.
>
> I have no doubt 3 days is not enough time to enjoy the islands but I do
> have to balance the time with other sites like Spain, mainland Portugal,
> and a trip to Morocco.
>
> If any of you know a good contact on Graciosa please let me know. Thanks!
>
> Feel free to direct message me (or to the list if it's germane to others)
> if you have any suggestions.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ken
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Frank Gomes and Manuel Gomes

[John Vasconcelos]

*Caroline and Celeste,*

*Celeste's last post just hit me like a ton of bricks   ***
Francisco INACIO da Sousa **INACIO in Portuguese
records often becomes ENOS when it gets to the US. I don't think I've ever
seen ENOS in a Portuguese record. I suppose it could happen  in a case when
an Inacio gets changed to Enos when a person first immigrates to the US but
if that person or a descendant goes back to Portugal, it DOES NOT get
changed back to Inacio! Try Looking for a Manual INACIO Gome when you
search Portuguese records.*
*John Vasconcelos*

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 3:03 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> Caroline, I am not sure this will help; however, it may.
>
> I could not find the place of birth of my son-in-law's great-grandfather,
> Francisco Inacio de Sousa.  Someone told me that, if he had been
> naturalized and voted, there were voter registration records for Alameda
> County in California.  I found the binders that housed all the voter
> registration papers up to 1920.  The binders, with all the names in
> alphabetical order, were in something called the "Erickson Collection" and
> the voter registration office told me that the "Erickson Collection" was at
> Cal State Hayward (at the time) now East Bay.
>
> I found the person I was researching had voted 16 (I think) times and all
> of the sheets except one just said Azores.  The "odd" one said Flores,
> Azores.  Flores does not have many villages so I was able to look at each
> village and I FOUND HIM!  So there may be some hidden information in the
> county where he lived here in California.
>
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>
> 
> On Thu, 2/2/17, 'Caroline Gomes' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Frank Gomes and Manuel Gomes
>  To: "Azores Genealogy" <azores@googlegroups.com>
>  Date: Thursday, February 2, 2017, 6:54 PM
>
>  An update to my
>  search!
>  I think we have found Frank's father, Manuel
>  Gomes from a draft card, a death certificate online and thru
>  the census:
>  Manuel Enos GomesBorn Sept 4,
>  1875Died April 30, 1042 (Stockton, California)
>
>  Immigrated here: 1906
>  There is still no mention of an actual island of
>  where he is from.  All of the documents either indicate
>  Azores or just Portugal. I have tried going thru some
>  passenger lists online but it seems so
>  overwhelminglol.
>  We have ordered Frank's birth certificate
>  but I have a feeling that either Azores or Portugal will be
>  listed as to where his father is from.
>  So, what do I do next? :)
>  Thanks!
>  Caroline
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Frank Gomes and Manuel Gomes

[John Vasconcelos]

Caroline,
I have several Gomes cousins in central and costal California and we can
trace our ancestry all back to the Island of Flores in the Azores.I happen
to have a 4g grandfather Manuel Rodriques Gomes, born  abt 1785, Fajazinha.
Flores married 1 nov 1762 to Maria Pimentel in Fajazinha Flores. Email me
if you want I can try to answer any questions you have.
John Vasconcelos


On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 8:45 PM, 'Caroline Gomes' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> I have not posted in a few years but have decided to dust off the family
> history research and continue on.
>
> I am looking to follow the paternal line of my father-in-law, Frank Gomes,
> who was born on March 1, 1911 in Watsonville, CA and died on October 22,
> 1989 in Concord, CA.  His parents were Manuel Gomes (born around 1877 (?)
> - somewhere in the Azores) and Mary A. Brown. Frank's siblings are Eva
> Gomes, Louise Gomes, Florence Gomes, Manuel Gomes and Raymond Gomes.  Frank
> has three children: JoAnn Gomes Taylor, Larry Gomes and Gary Gomes.
>
> We have been going thru Ancestry.com and see some of the various Census
> records from the Central Valley here in CA but all that we see listed as a
> birthplace for Manuel is Portugal with nothing specific. We are trying to
> figure out where Manuel's paternal line leads to in the Azores.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lomba Records

[John Vasconcelos]

Jeremy
Unfortunately those records were lost. My father was born in Lomba but my
paternal grandfather was born in Lajes and I was able to trace his line
back to the mid 1600's. However, I have only been able to trace my paternal
grandmother's line back to the early 1800's.
Flores researchers are a disadvantage because, as the story goes, in the
mid 1600's pirates or privateers invaded the island and burned every church
on the island. I have not been able to trace any of my lines off the
island. Maybe someday DNA may allow us to make that leap.
John Vasconcelos

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 10:00 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C - Researching: Sao Jorge &
Pico' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello guys!
>
> I just was researching one of my last little branches that I had not yet
> done.  I discovered my ancestor was born in Lomba sometime around 1760 or
> so.  He died in Ribeira Seca on Sao Jorge. I noticed that the records for
> Lomba end in the mid nineteenth century :-( does anyone know wether they
> were simply lost, or if they can be found in the records of a neighboring
> village (I.e. Fajazinha)
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores female literacy in 1900?

[John Vasconcelos]

My mother was born in Fajazinha, Flores in 1894 and lived there until 1928
when she immigrated to  the US to marry my father who had immigrated in
1908 from Lomba, Flores. She and my father were "introduced" by her brother
my, uncle Joe, who immigrated in 1918 and met my father who was working as
a ranch hand at the same ranch in rural Fresno County. The two became
friends and my mother and father started writing.
Some of my mother's letters survived in a closet drawer in the house I grew
up in and where my sister and brother-in law still live, They were written
in a beautiful script. None of my father's letters survived but she
referred to previous letter's she had received from him.

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Samantha B  wrote:

> Culturally how common was it for women to be literate/educated at the turn
> of last century. I'm intrigued as it was the bride who signed the marriage
> record and not the groom.
>
> TIA
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A Jewish Exodus to a New Nation - The New York Times

[John Vasconcelos]

Don,
Please contact me off-list.  We might be related.
John Vasconcelos

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Donald Vasconcelos <dfvasc...@gmail.com>
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> GeorgeMedeiros, thank you for sharing this article!
> Don Vasconcelos
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Oct 30, 2016, at 11:34 AM, George Medeiros <migueldeav...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > This is an topic of history that I am interested in in regards to the
> exodus of Spanish and Portuguese from Spain and Portugal.So I thought if
> anyone has an interest this is recent NYT article of the first Portuguese
> and Spanish Jewish Community in the Americas. George
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/arts/design/a-jewish-
> exodus-to-a-new-nation.html?=section-news-5=click&
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose de Freitas Pimentel & Maria do Nascimento - location where they lived in Fajazinha, Flores - can't decipher the street name.

[John Vasconcelos]

II think it might be" rua do engenho " (literally "street of the engine"'
which might be interpreted as "street of the mill".
When I first visited Fajanzinha in 1972, "tia Filomena" (my mother's
youngest sister) had just had a new house built
on a narrow street along a small stream that runs toward the ocean. The
slope of the stream toward the ocean was
steep enough that it could be damned up at intervals creating small
reservoirs that stored water that could be used
to power small mill stones which could be used to grind corn. I am copying
a cousin who can probably confirm
this story. That was my first trip to Flores.
John Vasconcelos

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> I believe it is rua do engenho (mill street)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Island hopping trip

[John Vasconcelos]

I'm sorry Mary Ann, but as Cheri said, the correct spelling is Ponta
Delgada. Incidentaly, in addition to the larger and more well known Ponta
Delgada S. Miguel, there is also Ponta Delgada Flores, a small village on
the North west coast of Flores.
John Vasconcelos

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 2:53 AM, MaryAnn Santos <m...@nyu.edu> wrote:

> The correct spelling is Ponta Degada - sorry, it's the old school teacher
> in me
>
>
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> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Becky Mendonca <azbun...@gmail.com>
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>> My husband and I are going July 10. Flying into Punta del Gado on Sao
>> Miguel. There are also non stops to Terceira from Boston. We are flying
>> Sata. We will take a boat between Sao George, to Pico and to Faial. Sao
>> George to Terceira is a quick flight!
>> On Jun 20, 2016 10:50 AM, E" Sharp" <bellema...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> I have a family members who wants to leave from Boston and want to visit
>>> these islands:  Sao Miguel or Terceira (depends on where the Boston flight
>>> goes into , Santa Maria, Flores and possibly Pico.  They asked me about
>>> travel between the islands. I have no idea. I know you can fly from
>>> Terceira to Sao Miguel as I have done this but I don't know about
>>> inter-island flights/ships to get to the others.  Do they all have
>>> airports?  I am also trying to find a package that would take them to
>>> all/most of the islands.  Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks.."E"
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Henriques family

[John Vasconcelos]

*My parents who were from Flores knew the Henriques family from Pleasanton
who we would visit when I was growing up but its been so long ago, that
unfortuanately I can't be of any help.*
*Joh Vasconcelos .*

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:01 AM,  wrote:

> I am new to this site. Trying to do research for my husband.
> This is what I know...
> Frank Roger Henriques born 3/25/185(2) or(5) Flores Azores died CA
> 5/13/1946
> mother's maiden name Alameda
> immigrated to USA 1872
>
> married Maria Jose (Joseph) born 9/22/1861 Flores, Azores died CA 12/5/1914
>
> There does not seem to be much information about Frank Rogers Henriques
> while in the Azores.
> Could you direct me in how to continue research?
> Thank You
> Carol
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jewish cemetery and records in Cedros, Santa Cruz das Flores.

[John Vasconcelos]

*Debbie,There is small section of the cemetery in Santa Cruz Flores where
non-catholics are buried. Among the few graves there was one that appeared
to be of a jewish person (along with a few graves of who appeared to be
English mariners).*
*John Vasconcelos*

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> I have a friend I am helping with her Portuguese ancestry and she is
> asking about Jewish records for the municipality of Cedros, on the isle of
> Flores. Does anyone have any familiarity with non-Catholic records? Do any
> inquisition or convert records exist for those who may have been Jewish and
> converted in order to avoid persecution? Other than possibly DNA is there
> any other ways she might prove or disprove any Jewish lineage?
>
> Through some online searches I have found there is a Jewish cemetery in
> the Horta district. Does anyone have any information about it?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
>
> Debbie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Meaning of Vapor in record

[John Vasconcelos]

*"Ship or Steam Ship"- When I was growing up, my parents who were both born
in the Azores would refer to the "Vapor" on which they came to the US.John
Vasconcelos*

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:25 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:

> If someone asks for a copy of his baptism record about 22 years after
> birth and it has the word Vapor in it do you think it might be for a trip
> overseas??
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Earthquake Map of Azores

[John Vasconcelos]

*Another interesting fact, notice that there is a major fault angling down
between the western group (Flores and Corvo) and the Central group (Faial
east). The western group is on the North American Techtonic plate and has
had less seismic activity in the past .*
*John .*

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> Really interesting, isn't it? The Azores are on 3 major fault lines so
> it's not really surprising that they have all of those earthquakes!
>
>
> Rosemarie
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> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Joanne Tuscany  > wrote:
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>> Wow!!! That is something else
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A lady on Facebook posted this link this morning about real time
>>> earthquaakes in and around the Azores Islands, it's facinating! Try it out.
>>>
>>> http://www.cvarg.azores.gov.pt/paginas/sismicidade.aspx
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree Maker' users

[John Vasconcelos]

Check Out "Brothers Keeper" which also has a Portuguese version available.
You can download a trial version from their web page.
John Vasconcelos

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:30 AM, 'joao ventura' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Marylin,
>
> Thank your for the information. This is the first time I have heard of
> this software. My goal is to find a genealogy software that is easy to use
> and is reliable.
>
> João Ventura
> Terceira
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> *From:* Marilyn Thompson <mari...@jmtmlt.com>
> *To:* Cheri Mello <azores@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 11:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree Maker' users
>
> Joao Ventura and others interested in another genealogical database.
>
>  I just talked the owner of Ancestral Quest. He told me AQ will handle
> your 300,000 without any problem. In the next few days there will be a new
> version of AQ out. It will make exporting from FTM to AQ a smooth transfer.
> He asked that you give him a few days and it will be out.
>
> He is usually pretty acurate with his time frame. I do not work for them.
> The owner is a personal friend.
>
> Marilyn
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 4:05 PM, 'joao ventura' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> I have been faithful to FTM, though I stopped upgrading at version 16
> (2006). Having a considerable database (300 000 people and growing) it is
> hard to export it to another program. I have tried Rootsmagic and Legacy,
> but they don't meet my expections.
>
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> As Richard said about TGM I will continue to use FTM as long as it runs on
> Windows.
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> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:13 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree Maker' users
>
> *As a onetime user of FTM I was happy with the product but soon became
> annoyed by the yearly or bi-yearly upgrades which I saw no improvement it
> the overall performance of the product. As a result I switched to “the
> Master Genealogist” (TGM) which was discontinued last year. I am still
> using TGM and am having no performance problems with it on Windows 7, 8,
> and 10. I know there will be the day when I will have to switch but in the
> mean time I like having all my data on my computer and on my backups and
> not having to access the internet every time I want to use the program. I
> also like the Idea of not having to spend $ every year to keep my program
> current.*
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
> *Epping, NH*
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande*
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com]
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> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Cc:* hero...@yahoo.com
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree Maker' users
>
> Yes, this is a travesty.  I have already been contacted by RootsMagic and
> have downloaded their software.  There is a free version and a premium
> version. The premium version is $9.95 a year.  I uploaded my gedcom from
> FTM and so far, so good.  It included my media, notes which have my links
> to records, and in testing it out yesterday I have to say I like it a lot.
> I am keeping FTM as is and working with both until I feel comfortable
> trashing FTM.  I must admit it is easier in my opinion to use with the
> biggest plus in editing, deleting etc.  There is also reports, book
> publishing, etc.  I also do NOT like that Ancestry is giving us no option
> but to use the new graphic interface instead of the classic interface which
> in my opinion is easier to use.  With the new graphic interface it is
> harder to find what you need and then to search or edit.  Only one person's
> opinion.  But I will download my DNA and discontinue Ancestry when my
> subscription is up.  RootsMagic will be trying to work with Ancestry in the
> futureI don't know if that is good or bad.  I like RootsMagic the way
> it is.
>
> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 3:24:59 AM UTC-8, João Ventura wrote:
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[John Vasconcelos]

*I read the name as Joseph Caton*

*John Vasconcelos*

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:16 AM, linda <menesesli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think this may be Joe Cotta's WWI draft registration:
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZNK-LGB
>
>
> I found it the other evening and just realized that it is not one of the
> records that has already been posted in the thread.
>
>
> L.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[John Vasconcelos]

 Dave,
Do you know if Velma had any female siblings or cousins?  My aunt Maria E V
Sousa was Secretary of the Hanford chapter of the SPRSI (a Portuguese
women's society) from the mid- teens until shortly before her death in the
late 50's. I have a couple of her minutes books, one coverng the period of
April 1934 to  June 1941.In it I see references to a Maria L. Cotta, Lille
Cotta, Guilhermina Cotta, Palmira Cotta, Ilda Cotta.
John Vasconcelos




On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Dave Worman <dvco...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Doreen,
> Thank you for your suggestions.
>  -They got married in Reno.. Did check with a Catholic Church in Hanford
> but did not get a reply from them.
> -Don't know when or where she was buried.  Lost contact when I was a
> toddler and did not even know her name until recently.
> -Checked 1930 and 1940 census - no record of her with the Lopes or
> anywhere else.   In 1940 her name may have been Velma Hughes unless she
> changed it after the separation/divorce, but couldn't find that either.
> -Did check both obits for Belle & Hercules Lopes - she is not mentioned in
> either one.  I think she may have been a relative of them since my DNA
> includes ancestral surnames of Lopes & Viereira (Belle's maiden name).
> -No idea of what her social security number was or where she may have
> obtained one.
> -Didn't know about  the Eagles - will try there
> Thank you again for your help,
> Dave
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Doreen Caetano <doreencaet...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This is a long shot but in the town she got married try checking with the
>> Catholic church. Maybe she received her sacraments there: baptism,
>> communion, confirmation, marriage, and burial. Do you have where she was
>> buried? Check with the cemetery to see who handled the services then check
>> with the funeral director to get a copy of his notes. Who was the contact
>> person for the director? There might not be a birth certificate because
>> babies were delivered at home. Their baptism records served as birth
>> certificates. Some times they are listed in the Portuguese newspapers. Have
>> you searched the newspapers for Velma or Mr. and Mrs. Lopes? St. Brigid
>> Catholic Church, and Whitehurst Funeral Home is in the same neighborhood as
>> the house. Sacred Heart Hospital was also there but now it is a county
>> hospital.
>> Check the census records to see if she was living with Mr. and Mrs.
>> Lopes in 1930 and 1940's. If this does not work check Mr. and Mrs. Lopes
>> burial records to see if Velma is mentioned. Their obituary might mention
>> her (Hanford Sentinel  is the local newspaper).  She may have been a
>> relative of theirs. She may have been the contact person for the funeral
>> director. It may have her location and accurate name. I have seen the name
>> Velma a lot in this area. I had an aunt named Belma and that was her legal
>> name.
>> Did she have a Social Security Number? Get those records. Was there a
>> place where actors had to register for work? Maybe a labor union?
>> Back then there was a local social club for the Portuguese. The men
>> joined the Eagle's and the women joined a different club.  My grandparents
>> and aunts were members. The Eagle's is still operating.  They have records
>> too. Maybe Mr. and Mrs. Lopes were members. If so they may have purchased a
>> membership for Velma too. The Eagle's help family and people who need help.
>> They also had life insurance policies so they may have paid for their
>> funerals. Good luck with your search.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Dave Worman <dvco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Marilyn,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your interest.
>>>
>>> The marriage certificate shows her name as Velma Cotta when she married
>>> Joe Hughes in 1933.  Her age was 24 and she lived at 230 Ivy St., Hanford,
>>> CA.  She had been previously married and was divorced in 1928 - no
>>> indication of her married name.
>>>
>>> Research shows that Herculano & Belle Lopes built the house at 230 Ivy
>>> St, Hanford, CA and lived in it during the 1930's and beyond.
>>>
>>> On my original birth certificate her maiden name is given as Velma
>>> Cotta.  It also indicates that she was born in California, no city or area
>>> was specified.  If Joe Hughes furnished this information it may be
>>> unreliable.
>>>
>>> She and Joe Hughes were trying to become Hollywood actors.  I cannot
>>> find a divorce but they separated sometime around 1937-38 or so.
>>>
>>> That sums up most of what I know about her

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese in Springfield IL

[John Vasconcelos]

*Rosemarie,*

*Several years ago while visiting family in St Louis we took a sidetrip to
Jacksonville Illinois. The actress, Mary Astor was born in Jacksonville and
her mother was a descendant of Madeira exiles. Her birth name was Lucille
Vasconcellos Langhanke (her father was of German descent). I have sometimes
wondered if she might be related.*

*John Vasconcelos*
*  .*

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci rcap...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I just made this offer on another list:

 I have the 3 books about the Presbyterian Portuguese that went to islands
 in the Carrib.  and then to Springfield IL. I would be happy to check for
 names if you have Portuguese Presbyterians in this area. They originally
 came from Madeira and Sao Miguel and were converted by a Scottish Minister.

 Rosemarie
 rcap...@gmail.com
 Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1869 to 1873 Passenger lists from Azores to United States help

[John Vasconcelos]

There is an Azorean family currently living in the Fresno area whose
surname is Roberto. I believe they are originally from Sao Jorge.
John Vasconcelos

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:51 PM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:

 You will find a Manuel W Robert from Portiugal  in Trinity county, Ca in
  !880 and a Manuel Robert in Humboldt county in 1900 from Portugal. A Frank
 Roberts in Siskyiou.

 There are dozens of Portuguese born who used the surname Roberts in
 California from 1880 -1930

 It may be that the father in Flores had a first name of Roberto that got
 reflexed to the last name .

 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Andrea,

 The snippet does no good. Best to say you got it from the 1900 U.S.
 Federal Census in Sacramento, Sacramento Co, California for Joseph Roberts
 and let us hunt it down (for those with Ancestry subscriptions).

 This does NOT say that anyone was born in Flores. It says that the FATHER
 of Joseph Roberts was born in Flores. Weird that they specified one island
 and everything else they generalized.

 The 1880 for Euponia Twp in Lyon Co, KS (how in the world did some
 Portuguese people end up there???)...Joseph has a brother, Charles aka
 Carlos. If you can't find a lead on Joseph, go chase Charles/Carlos.

 I see a variety of immigration dates for these people. And
 naturalization. You really need to get that.

 A how to guide can be found on the Azores GenWeb here:
 http://goo.gl/13whta
 Cheri

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 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Andrea R andrea.re...@gmail.com wrote:


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SlptK5nYB5I/Va8SqjUtjFI/Bkg/s07NPI2HlO4/s1600/2015-07-21%2B20_48_09-Ancestry.com%2B-%2B1900%2BUnited%2BStates%2BFederal%2BCensus.jpg


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SlptK5nYB5I/Va8SqjUtjFI/Bkg/s07NPI2HlO4/s1600/2015-07-21%2B20_48_09-Ancestry.com%2B-%2B1900%2BUnited%2BStates%2BFederal%2BCensus.jpg


 Thank you very much for looking, I feel like I keep hitting a wall!  I
 was hoping that having a date would be helpful.  The photo above is the
 1900 census that mentions Flores, everything else says Portugal until a
 more recent census that says that ROSA and CLEMENTINA were born in the
 Azores.

 I believe they were married around 1867  I was hoping to see her name
 ROSA LIMA in the marriages or the daughter's name CLEMENTINA (born 1868)
 and figure out what the original surname was but have had no luck do far...

 On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 8:40:23 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:

 I know of many Rodericks who were Rodrigues in the Azores.
 Cheri

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 Tainhas, Achada

 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:38 PM, luiznoia . nobla...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have not found any Roberto surnames in the Flores marriage book or
 the Familias do Lajes book

 I have not run into it in any other research on Flores before.

 Could be  an Americanized version of Rodrigues.

 Eric Edgar
  On Jul 21, 2015 3:50 PM, Andrea R andrea...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello!  I am new to this group and I am researching the following
 people (I only have the English names)

 Joseph Joaquim Roberts  born 8 Jun 1848 or 1850   1900 census says
 born in Flores and immigrated in 1871   died in 1905 in Sacramento, CA 
 but
 1880 census shows living in Emporia, Kansas

 his wife

 Rosa Roberts - maiden name LIMA  born 22 Feb 1851 or 1852   1900
 census says only Azores and immigration 1872  death certificate shows
 father Frank (Francisco ?) Lima  died in 1935 in San Francisco

 daughter

 Clementina Roberts born 23 Oct 1868  1900 census says only Azores and
 immigration 1872 died 1945 in San Francisco (married Lansfield)

 son

 Anthony Joseph Roberts born 5 Jan 1870 some places say Portugal and
 some say Boston, MA cannot find any records of birth -  died in 1937 in 
 San
 Francisco

 I searched Ancestry and many sites and could not find anything.  I
 know few records are indexed and I tried searching the Azores reocrds on
 their site but haven't found anything yet.  Was hoping to discover what 
 the
 last name was originally.  I have obtained all death certificates but 
 they
 are vague.  The only clue was Flores in the 1900 census.

 Thank you very much!  This has been interesting as my family didn't
 even know they were from the Azores!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Focha from Petaluma (California?) No dates

[John Vasconcelos]

*There is a Focha surname on Flores just to set the record straight.*
*John Vasconcelos*

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:26 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote:

 *If I were to guess, somewhere along the line the name was misread or
 mistyped and the name might be Rocha.*



 *Rick*



 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Epping, NH*





 *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
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 *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2015 1:12 AM
 *To:* Azores Genealogy
 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Focha from Petaluma (California?) No
 dates



 Repost for No Name, dragonflythyme at gmail.com

 Just a thought. Sometimes the family is misspelled as 'Facha'. There is
 quite a lot of information in early California books about the family.
 Thanks



 On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Repost for  No Name, dragonflythyme at gmail.com


 My paternal Grandmother was a Focha and was raised in Petaluma. I have
 quite a bit of information. Let me know if I can help.




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?

[John Vasconcelos]

Sam,
That list of Festas shows a Festa in Buhl Idahao.
John

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azores@googlegroups.com wrote:

 What a great community this is.  Thanks Bob.  I'll do the research.  :-)

 Sam (Camas, WA)

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 *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?

 Hi Sam
 I know this does not help you where you live, but here is a list of the
 Festa up and down the state of CA.  they might have one in your area, it
 would just mean some more research.  Good luck

  Thank you
 *Bob Camacho*







 *Researching the Island of Terceira forda Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco,
 FerrieraResearching the Island of Graciosa forReisResearching the Island of
 Madeira forCamachoResearching Brazil for Evangelho*

  In a message dated 5/24/2015 6:07:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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  Ok, now I get it.  Interesting,.  I'll have to see if they hold any
 festa nearby our new location.  Thanks Cheri!

  Sam (Camas, WA)

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   Sam,

 I think it depends on the location. Many auction off some of the
 Portuguese sweets, pastries, and sweet bread. I've seen wine and other
 adult beverages. I've seen birds, quilts, and other handmade items. Some
 that are more rural will auction off a calf or other farm animals. It may
 be different in different locations, too.

 Cheri



  On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 5:04 PM, 'Sam Koester' via Azores Genealogy 
 azores@googlegroups.com wrote:

  Auctions, really?  What do they auction, just various stuff people
 happen to want to sell?Just curious...

  Sam (Camas, WA)

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 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?

 From time to time, I get asked this question.
 What is a festa?

 So here it is from my point of view in California. They may vary somewhat
 on the East Coast, in Canada, in Hawaii, and the Azores.

 Most festas (FESH-tahs) are feast days in honor of saints. Sometimes,
 there may be a rosary said nightly in the week leading up to the feast day.
 On the day of the festa, there is usually some type of opening ceremony,
 flag raising, or organizers greeting each other. The saint is brought out
 and many times there is some type of procession. A Mass is said. Food will
 be served, followed by auctions, with band concerts, folk dancing, and
 singing for entertainment. Sometimes, in the evening, a dance will be held.

 That's the basic overview of what goes on. Depending on the festa, other
 customs may be involved. If you are anywhere near a Portuguese community,
 it's worth investigating.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?

[John Vasconcelos]

Sam
I think there may be Portuguese communities in Southwestern Idaho
John Vasconcelos

On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 6:07 PM, 'Sam Koester' via Azores Genealogy 
azores@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Ok, now I get it.  Interesting,.  I'll have to see if they hold any festa
 nearby our new location.  Thanks Cheri!

 Sam (Camas, WA)

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 *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?

 Sam,

 I think it depends on the location. Many auction off some of the
 Portuguese sweets, pastries, and sweet bread. I've seen wine and other
 adult beverages. I've seen birds, quilts, and other handmade items. Some
 that are more rural will auction off a calf or other farm animals. It may
 be different in different locations, too.

 Cheri



 On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 5:04 PM, 'Sam Koester' via Azores Genealogy 
 azores@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Auctions, really?  What do they auction, just various stuff people happen
 to want to sell?Just curious...

 Sam (Camas, WA)

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 *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2015 4:22 PM
 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?

 From time to time, I get asked this question.
 What is a festa?

 So here it is from my point of view in California. They may vary somewhat
 on the East Coast, in Canada, in Hawaii, and the Azores.

 Most festas (FESH-tahs) are feast days in honor of saints. Sometimes,
 there may be a rosary said nightly in the week leading up to the feast day.
 On the day of the festa, there is usually some type of opening ceremony,
 flag raising, or organizers greeting each other. The saint is brought out
 and many times there is some type of procession. A Mass is said. Food will
 be served, followed by auctions, with band concerts, folk dancing, and
 singing for entertainment. Sometimes, in the evening, a dance will be held.

 That's the basic overview of what goes on. Depending on the festa, other
 customs may be involved. If you are anywhere near a Portuguese community,
 it's worth investigating.

 --
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stuck on a Baptismo - Jose, son of Antion de Freitas Pimentel

[John Vasconcelos]

Interesting Mary. I have a 3GGrandfather Antonio de Freitas Pimentel born
in Nossa Senhora dos Remedios/ Fajazinha about 1730 so I bet we are cou
*siins.*

*John Vasconcelos*

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 9:06 PM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler pimwh...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 HI Friends - I'm stuck on another one. If anyone has the time and
 inclination, I could use some help translating parts of this one.  Thanks
 in advance!

  Here is the link, its the first one on the left page:


 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1850-1860/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1850-1860_item1/P113.html

 Here's what I've been able to pick out:

 Jose son of Antonio de Freitas Pimentel e sua mulher Isabel

 de Jesus, moradores na este freguisia), neto paterno paternal

  grandson  de Jose de Freitas Pimentel and of Anna Henriqueta
  and maternos

   Jose de Freitas Serpa and of Anna de Jesus, all

 Natives of Freguisia de Nossa Senhora do Remidios,

 of the village of ??; on the twenty first ( viente hum ) day of

 the month of August, 8 1859


 for padrinho is Francisco Maria

 I baptized this day (can’t read the rest of line)

 I assume the rest of this is just the signature stuff and not important.



 Eric Edgar

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Finding my great grandfather

[John Vasconcelos]

Gloria,
I think your explanation makes sense, (Flores belonging to the Horta
District and being referenced that way often).
John Vasconcelos
(Parents both from Flores)

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Gloria Arlette Rodrigues 
suchislif...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Cheri,

 Yes I know Flores is an island and Horta is a city on the island of Faial.
 I also read that at one time the District of Horta was made up of 4 islands
 that included Flores. My grandfather insisted it was Flores Horta so I am
 just repeating what he always said. Thought maybe he knew something that I
 didn”t. There were American whaling ships with Portuguese workers that went
 to Hawaii. From which island my grandfather left, I don’t know. Sorry, the
 years: Born: 1852 or 1853. If you happen to come across anything please let
 me know. Thank you so much for the info. I will surely check it out!!!

 Gloria Rodrigues

 On Apr 23, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gloria R,

 Flores is an island.  Horta is a city on the island of Faial.

 I don't think the whalers went to Hawaii.  The people who research Hawaii
 know best though.  To get to Hawaii from the Azores, you left from Ponta
 Delgada on the island of Sao Miguel or from Funchal on Madeira (Madeira is
 not part of the Azores).

 Also check your years.  Born 1952 or 1955 but died in 1919?  Did you mean
 1852 or 1855?

 A how to is here: goo.gl/Ds6UKd

 You also might want to look at the Portuguese Hawaiian site, Your Island
 Routes at www.yourislandroutes.com.  It's undergoing redesign, so some
 web link may not work.

 I'm not sure if the Portuguese Genealogical Society of Hawaii has a web
 site, but the president is on this list or you can contact him at dgnils at
 hotmail.com

 Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Angra Passports at CCA available

[John Vasconcelos]

*Edna,*
*Your GGF 's name was more than likely originally,*
*Manuel Corvello and very possibly from Fajazinha (Nossa Senhrora dos
Remedios) although there were also Corvellos in Santa Cruz, Flores (Nossa
Sehora da Conceicao). My maternal GGF was Antonio Rodrigues Corvello for
Fajazinha.*
*John Vasconcelos .*

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 Thank you Joao and all the others on here.   I'm searching a Gt
 Grandfather from Flores, Manuel Crovelle (USA version), and have not had
 much luck cause I don't know his parents or village that he came from.  I
 just had a Y-37 DNA test done on the only male Crovelle I know in the line,
 so am anxious to see what it shows.  It is on the way back to FTDNA right
 now to be processed.  Family history says our Manuel left Flores in about
 1844 on a whaling ship...and after 10 yrs or so on whaling ships off both
 east and west coasts of USA, he finally landed in San Francisco area and
 made it to northern Calif near Yreka, Calif.  Anyhow I have been watching
 your posts and gleaning a bit of information, so just wanted to thank all
 of you who share on here.

  Edna Lemos Epps
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 On Mar 23, 2015, at 12:46 PM, João Ventura j...@venturas.org wrote:

 Hi,

 As Cheri answered, you should look first to Horta, and then to the other
 districts. To understand what's going on here you need to understand a
 bit of the administrative history of the Azores.. When the Azores districts
 were formed, there were basically two: one in Angra and the other in Ponta
 Delgada. Horta then managed to get it's district created out of the other
 two. Wikipedia explains it a lot better than I can:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horta_(district)
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponta_Delgada_(district)
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Azores#Liberal_wars

 That of course explains why there are three 'district' archives. In
 mainland Portugal we have 18 of these districts, and each also has a
 separate archive. So, the official district for Flores would be Horta, but
 it may be that the persons you're looking for first went to Angra or to
 Ponta Delgada, and you might also look there.

 However, the most likely explanation, and you can see that story in one my
 wife's ancestors on the link below is that passengers from Flores sailed
 directly from Flores to the US without getting a passport. The passengers
 of the Peninsular or the other boats that did the Azores-America
 immigration routes passing through Flores embarked their last passengers on
 this port and then sailed to the US. They never got a passport because
 there was no one able to give them those papers in Santa Cruz das Flores,
 as it wasn't a district capital. This particular story of José Tomás Dias
 (that Eric helped a lot in researching) was that he immigrated for the
 first time in 1898 straight from Flores on the Peninsular, and stayed in
 the US until about 1910, when he returned to Flores, married and started a
 family. In 1913 he returned to the US, but this time he had to get a
 passport in Horta since the Companhia Insulana de Navegação (CIN) had
 abandoned the US route as they simply couldn't compete with the big
 steamers of the time. He took a boat from Horta to Ponta Delgada where he
 then boarded the Cretic to go to the US, where he stayed until about 1920,
 when he return for good to Flores. Note that he never got a passport on his
 first trip, and on the second his passport from Horta was good enough that
 he didn't need a second one from Ponta Delgada to board the Cretic.

 http://venturas.org/familytree/individual.php?pid=I49ged=venturas

 Best regards,
 João C Ventura
 https://tombo.pt/en


 On Monday, 23 March 2015 06:45:18 UTC+1, luiznoia wrote:

 I've read about 50 years of the Horta passports now and find very few
 Flores residents on them. Less than one person per two pages. So, maybe 1
 percent

 I'm hoping Angra turns up more.

 The format of the Angra passports is very different, a book entry for
 each passport rather than the table form that Horta uses. Less information
 is given.

 Eric Edgar

 On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Brenda SP,

 The 3 ports for the Azores are:
 Horta on Faial
 Angra on Terceira
 Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel

 Since Flores is closest to Horta, I'd look there first.  If they needed
 to get out though, they could have caught the next ship, regardless of the
 port.  Most sailed from the port closest to them though.
 Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Carvalho (Flores) and Thomas (Pico) Families who settled in San Joaquin Valley

[John Vasconcelos]

*Eric,*

*The first couple of paragraphs  of that description were were confirmed by
James Guill when I met with him between 15 and 20 years ago. He also told
me that he had seen the original contract between Prince Henry and Antonio
Catalão in the Portuguese Archives (Torre de Tombo?).*
*John Vasconcelos*

Researching Vasconcelos, Freitas, Corvelo , Mendonça, Furtado de Mendonça
Pimentel, Fraga, Coelho, Rodrigues, Gonçalves all from Flores

On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 1:04 PM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Annie,

 Your Tree has Maria de Jesus Freitas born in Sao Miguel,

 Her passport says she is a native of Santa Cruz, Flores.

 I did some work on a Carvalho  family from Flores a few years back.

 I'll take a look and get back to you. Meanwhile...
 these marriage records from Flores relate to this family

 Alfredo José Marcos [30 anos, n. Santa Cruz das Flores, f.º de Marcos
 José Teixeira e de Catarina Tomásia de Simas] c. 1910.04.09 c. Cristina
 de Freitas Carvalho [18 anos, n. Santa Cruz das Flores, f.ª de António
 Joaquim de Carvalho, n. Bretanha, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, e de
 Maria de Jesus de Freitas, n. Santa Cruz das Flores].

 João de Medeiros Coelho Ramos [20 anos, n. Santa Cruz das Flores, f.º
 de João de Medeiros Barbosa, n. Relva, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, e de
 Mariana Jacinta, n. Santa Cruz das Flores] c. 1906.09.01 c. Maria José
 Carvalho Medeiros [18 anos, f.ª de António Joaquim de Carvalho, n.
 Pilar da Bretanha, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, e de Maria de Jesus de
 Freitas, n. Santa Cruz das Flores].



 Eric Edgar

 Researching Noia, Vieira, Rodrigues, Coelho from Flores

 Soares, Silveira Soares, from Lajes, Pico

 On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Annie,

 Do you have dates on your ancestors or their freguesia?  Was Emma
 Portuguese?

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Fwd: [AZORES-Genealogy] Carvalho (Flores) and Thomas (Pico) Families who settled in San Joaquin Valley

[John Vasconcelos]

*Eric, you took the words right out of my mouth. At an earlier time, it
would have been spelled Corvello. I met a professor at Cal State LA whose
name was Crovello and he said his ancestors were Italian.*
*John Vasconcelos*
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Carvalho (Flores) and Thomas (Pico)
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Edna,

I think it's a greater possibility that his name was originally Corvelo .
It's more common in Flores

Eric Edgar

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Edna Epps dave-e...@comcast.net wrote:

 I have been watching the postings on the Carvalho family from Flores and I
 also am very interested.  My Great Grandfather was named Manuel Crovel
 (Crovelle) here in USA, but I'm sure he was a Carvalho.  All the past
 records I've found show he was from Flores.  He apparently came to USA as a
 young man maybe 15 or 16 yrs on a whaling ship.  He ended up in California
 in 1867 and settled in Hawkinsville, Ca, which is near Yreka, Ca about 15
 miles south of the Oregon border.  So far I have not been able to find out
 who his parents were or which village in Flores that he was from.   Family
 records show he was born about 1832 in Flores.  IF any of you have a
 missing Manuel from Flores, I'd be interested.  I have had DNA done on
 both myself, my brother, my son, so maybe I should look for connectiions
 with some of you there?  I haven't had a lot of time to look at or study
 all your Carvalho emails yet, but wanted to put in my 2 cents anyhow in
 hopes someone might know something.;)
 Thanks..
 Edna Lemos Epps
 dave-e...@comcast.net
 [ISAIAH 46:4   NIV]
 Even to your old age and gray hairs I am He, I am
 He who will sustain you.  I have made you and I will
 carry you; I will sustain you and I will rescue you.


 On Feb 24, 2015, at 10:12 PM, Annie Carvalho anniesantiag...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I don't know.
 I think this is my family.
 The names are all family names.
 The first names are right.
 The dates and village are right.
 If it is them, there will be 7 more children:


-
Alfredo Carvalho
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26106961840
-
Anna Carvalho
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26203263669
-
Antonio Carvalho
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26203263568
-
Cecilia Carvalho
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26203263677
-
Christina Carvalho
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26203263644
-
Manuel Carvalho
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/26203263592
-
Jose Joachim JJ Carvalho
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/261063601981884 – 1964
-
Maria Carvalho
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/262032323241890 – 1962
-
Joao John Joachim Carvalho
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/53207035/person/261211350351903 –

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:38:02 PM UTC-8, luiznoia wrote:

 Annie,

 Yes a different Carvalho family.

 The record that says Maria Jose de Freitas is the same person. It could
 be a transcription error by the archivist, or the way the priest wrote it.

 I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. My mom's family came from Flores
 and I have cousins raised there that are now in the US and Canada.

 Eric

 On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Annie Carvalho anniesa...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Eric,

 I want to be sure I understand you.

 Are you saying this family you gave me information for is not my family?
 Because the names and dates fit, but my family did NOT go to Hawaii,
 though I'm in contact with a good friend in Hawaii whose husband is a
 Carvalho.

 And are you saying that
 Maria de Jesus de Freitas and
 Maria de Jose de Freitas are the same person because a different priest
 did the recording?

 Thank you for all the information. I really appreciate it.
 I figured out after a bit that the paternos and maternos were the
 grandparents.

 Do you live in Flores? Because my Tio Alfredo just passed away there a
 few years ago and I still have a cousin, Joaquina, who lives there with her
 husband whose last name is Felix. I'm not sure what became of the house
 that Tio Alfredo lived in, but it is the same house his parents lived in
 and I have both an old photo of the house way back when and then a new
 photo I took when I was in the Azores a few years ago.

 A photo of that house and of my grandfather and his family can be seen
 on my blog at this link:  Our Precious Past
 http://www.ourpreciouspast.blogspot.com/2015/02/jj-carvalho-short-biography.html

 Again, thank you for the information.
 Annie


 On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 9:11 AM, luiznoia . nobla...@gmail.com wrote:

 Annie,

 The Carvalho family I worked on came in 1911 to Hawaii, then settled in
 the Niles, Alameda, California

 The parish church

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to put Portuguese last names on ancestry.com?

[John Vasconcelos]

What may even be more mind boggling is that in some rare cases, a male
child may take his mother's surname. Cases in which this may happen may
include:
1) families in which there were no male children born in the previous
generation,
2) for inheritance reasons where the mother's line is wealthy and has
property and is more prominent (Morgado comes to mind-some native speaker
should chime in here). This happened  several times in my family tree
John Vasconcelos

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Maria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I'm glad you confirmed NOT to add father's surname .  Ugh- that is so hard
 to do because there's so many with the same first name- Marias. I recently
 did that on family search so I'll have to go back and delete those last
 names.  Thank you for the reminder

 Maria Elena

 On Feb 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci rcap...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 For those new to Portuguese research and entering names into your
 genealogy program do not give the girls their Father's surname! As Cheri
 stated, there is a time when there is no surname given in the documents and
 you can't do as we do in this country and give the girls their Dad's
 surname. In some time periods in the Azores, the girls/ladies are just
 listed as Maria de Jesus, daughter of so-and-so or Maria de Jesus, wife of
 so-and-so. It does make it difficult, especially when they oft times change
 their religious name in midstream! It's either that or the Priest confuses
 Maria de Jesus with her Mom's name of Maria de Sao Jose! It also happens
 with the men sometimes. My Manuel Ignacio de Souza was only Manuel Ignacio
 on most of his children's baptism's. My Jorge Jose Reis only had Reis
 listed on one of his children's baptismal records and his death record! So,
 the rule is--Don't Assume Anything!!


 Rosemarie
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 Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Annie Carvalho anniesantiag...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 I'm not quite sure the way I'm supposed to list some of my Portuguese
 names on ancestry.com

 Example:

 Maria de Jesus de Freitas?

 What is the surname?  de Freitas?  Freitas?

 Do I list her as

 (First Name)  Maria de Jesus de   (Surname) Freitas   ???

 Can someone tell me what is correct?
 Thanks!
 Annie

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joseph Freitas Caldeira born Flores

[John Vasconcelos]

HI Gregg,
On my mother's side of the family, I have a 2ggf Jose de Freitas da
Caldeira. Caldeira is an area of the village of Fajazinha just over the
hill from downtown Fajazinha. I think it's place name alcunha or nick
name. His son, my great grandather, wasafranci

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Repost for Greg Caldeira, columboid2010 at gmail.com

 Dear John,

 You were kind enough to post more than a year ago.  In doing further
 research on my grandfather, Joseph Freitas Caldeira, I have concluded that
 he may well have had the last name Caldeira when he landed in the US.  I
 have yet to find the manifest for his ship, but I am pretty sure he landed
 in Providence.  He seems to have been born on Flores.  We probably are
 cousins.  How would I find his origins--I assume baptismal records--on
 Flores?  Did you have relatives by the name of Avila in Calfornia, from
 around Tulare?

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Fwd: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joseph Freitas Caldeira born Flores

[John Vasconcelos]

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Date: Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joseph Freitas Caldeira born Flores
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HI Gregg,
On my mother's side of the family, I have a 2ggf Jose de Freitas da
Caldeira. Caldeira is an area of the village of Fajazinha just over the
hill from downtown Fajazinha. I think it's place name alcunha or nick
name. His son, my great grandather, was Francisco Joaquim de Freitas
(nothing about Caldeira). His grandsson, Jose Joaquim de Freitas was my
maternal grandfather. In some cases, the alcunha is not passed down to
following generations as in my mother's family. In your case, it appears
that the alcunha was not only passed down but became *the* surname and
the true surname (Freitas) was lost.

Have you done any research to determine who your grandfather's parents were.
Do you have any dates on your grandfather?  We might very well be related.
John Vasconcelos


On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Repost for Greg Caldeira, columboid2010 at gmail.com

 Dear John,

 You were kind enough to post more than a year ago.  In doing further
 research on my grandfather, Joseph Freitas Caldeira, I have concluded that
 he may well have had the last name Caldeira when he landed in the US.  I
 have yet to find the manifest for his ship, but I am pretty sure he landed
 in Providence.  He seems to have been born on Flores.  We probably are
 cousins.  How would I find his origins--I assume baptismal records--on
 Flores?  Did you have relatives by the name of Avila in Calfornia, from
 around Tulare?

 Greg Caldeira

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Passport questions

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Thank you João, I thought it might be something like that.
John Vasconcelos

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:22 PM, João Ventura j...@venturas.org wrote:

 Hi John,

 Yes, I can reply somewhat. From what I gather, the ships wanted to make
 some extra cash by taking in extra passengers in Flores. These passangers
 had no passport. From the following text (in Portuguese), you can read that
 the Peninsular used to carry immigrants starting  in Ponta Delgada then
 stopping in Angra, Horta and Santa Cruz das Flores, before going to New
 York:
 http://www.tribunadasilhas.pt/index.php/local/item/5239-retalhos-da-nossa-hist%C3%B3ria-%E2%80%93-cxxxv-comandante-jo%C3%A3o-ant%C3%B3nio-bettencourt

 The other João Ventura can probably confirm.

 Best regards,

 João C. Ventura
 https://tombo.pt/en

 On Thursday, 19 February 2015 00:00:41 UTC+1, John Vasconcelos wrote:

 Cheri,
 Adding to what you said, once in a great while, you will see a ships
 passenger list naming Flores as the port of origin with Boston or New
 Bedford as the destination. Do you know what was happening there?  Was
 Flores a stop to pick up passengers by a ship originating at one of the
 other 3 Azores ports of embarcation? I wonder if Joao Ventura might know.
 John Vasconcelos

 On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Roberto,

 Only 3 ports in the Azores: Ponta Delgada (S. Miguel), Angra,
 (Terceira), and Horta (Faial).

 Sometimes you can track the ship and sometimes you can't.

 On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Roberto Machado Velho 
 rve...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't know if you could track which ship he was using.  One of the
 reasons for a stopover in Terceira could be boarding another ship (probably
 to its final destination).
 From each island he was coming ?
 I think Terceira was a big ship HUB by that time - with ships to Brazil
 and US.

 Roberto Machado Velho.


 On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 12:20:27 AM UTC+3, bsei...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Garços is a blue-green eye color (my wife is a native speaker but had
 to look this word up).  He is a farm worker (lavrador).  Escala pela ilha
 Terceira means he has a stopover in Terceira.   This may mean that unlike
 other passengers he will disembark while the ship is at port on Terceira
 for some reason and board again before it leave.  I'm not really sure.

 Bill Seidler
 On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 12:50:47 PM UTC-8, Eleanor wrote:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPO
 RTES-FAL-1908-1920/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1908-1920_item1/P34.html
 June 30, 1910 #412 Manuel Garcia Moitozo
 I found this passport for my grandmother’s brother which was
 especially exciting because he was traveling with another brother and
 sister. [image: ] But there are few questions I hope someone can
 answer for me.
 What was his profession?
 It looks like his eyes are “graces”, what color is that?
 I think the comment at the end states that they are leaving from the
 island of Terceira, is that correct?
 I really appreciate not only help on this passport, but also for all
 I have learned from following this message board. Thanks.
 Eleanor

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Passport questions

[John Vasconcelos]

Cheri,
Adding to what you said, once in a great while, you will see a ships
passenger list naming Flores as the port of origin with Boston or New
Bedford as the destination. Do you know what was happening there?  Was
Flores a stop to pick up passengers by a ship originating at one of the
other 3 Azores ports of embarcation? I wonder if Joao Ventura might know.
John Vasconcelos

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Roberto,

 Only 3 ports in the Azores: Ponta Delgada (S. Miguel), Angra, (Terceira),
 and Horta (Faial).

 Sometimes you can track the ship and sometimes you can't.

 On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Roberto Machado Velho rve...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I don't know if you could track which ship he was using.  One of the
 reasons for a stopover in Terceira could be boarding another ship (probably
 to its final destination).
 From each island he was coming ?
 I think Terceira was a big ship HUB by that time - with ships to Brazil
 and US.

 Roberto Machado Velho.


 On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 12:20:27 AM UTC+3, bsei...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Garços is a blue-green eye color (my wife is a native speaker but had to
 look this word up).  He is a farm worker (lavrador).  Escala pela ilha
 Terceira means he has a stopover in Terceira.   This may mean that unlike
 other passengers he will disembark while the ship is at port on Terceira
 for some reason and board again before it leave.  I'm not really sure.

 Bill Seidler
 On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 12:50:47 PM UTC-8, Eleanor wrote:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
 PASSAPORTES-FAL-1908-1920/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1908-1920_item1/P34.html
 June 30, 1910 #412 Manuel Garcia Moitozo
 I found this passport for my grandmother’s brother which was especially
 exciting because he was traveling with another brother and sister. [image:
 ] But there are few questions I hope someone can answer for me.
 What was his profession?
 It looks like his eyes are “graces”, what color is that?
 I think the comment at the end states that they are leaving from the
 island of Terceira, is that correct?
 I really appreciate not only help on this passport, but also for all I
 have learned from following this message board. Thanks.   Eleanor

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How many family finder matches do you have?

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*Antoniio,*


*I have 162 family finder matches. What is really mind boggling is that
Cheri Mello's father, George Mello and I are classified as 2-4 cousins.
Most of their ancestors are from S. Miguel with a few from Santa Maria. All
of my documented ancestors are from Flores although James Guill once told
me that my Corvelo ancestors originally probably came from Santa Maria.
Unfortunately, all Flores records before the mid 1600s are lost because as
the story goes, some pirates or privateers came thru about then and burned
every church on the island. Cheri and I have speculated about how we could
be connected. We both have Furtado de Mendonca and Pimentel ancestors and
the upper classes seemed to be more mobile.Regards,John Vasconcelos*

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 Hi,

 Just curious how many family finder matches other people have I have 190.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Horta Passport

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The Central Group (Faial, Pico, Sao Jorge, Gracioso) received a lot of
Flemish colonists. On my first trip to the Azores in 1973, I spent a few
days on Faial and Pico before going onto Flores, and  was surprised at
seeing so many blondes and redheads. Even Flores where my parents were born
had it's share of blondes and redheads. My mothers second cousin, Whaling
captain Antonio Corvello, was said to have flaming redhair.
John Vasconcelos

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  Not actually surprising to me. My great-aunt told me that her father
 (from Faial) was blue-eyed, fair skinned, and with strawberry blonde hair.
 He was a farmer and used to get very red-skinned after working in the
 California sun.



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  On 01/17/2015 11:15 AM, mnk wrote:

 Interesting that they list him as blue eyed, light skin, and blonde beard!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help on exposto marriage record

[John Vasconcelos]

I need another opinion on the following Flores marriage record from Caveira:
:Tome Luis de Freitas [31 anos , exposto na Fazeenda a porta da casa de Ana
Branca, *perfilhado por escritura publica*  Por Jose Luis de Freitas, n.
Lomba, Lajes das Flores] c.1905  etc.
GOOGLE  online Translation come up with something like espoused by publish
which I would interpret as something like assuming responsibility  by
public notice . Would  this be what we would call adoption?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: How many Maria's......

[John Vasconcelos]

*I have a family of cousins where several of the girls have compound names:
Maria Soledade, Maria Celeste, Maria Fatima, Maria Isabel, etc. In the
Azores and among family they are usually known by their middle names. When
they immigrate to the US, they are invariably known by Maria by
non-Portuguese friends. That can be a problem if they live in the same
community and usually requires an explanation to the non-Portuguese
friends. *
*John Vasconcelos*

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 My mothers generation Maria was also a popular middle name. I've  heard of
 several families where all  the girls either had a Maria for a first name
 or a middle name.   No matter what those parents were

 determined  all those girls were gonna be Maria one way or another!


 *Antonio*

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Geneology Researcher

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*Al,*

*Are you related to Franklin Sequeira who was connected with the Madera
Irrigation Distreict?  If so, I may be able to help. You can contact me off
list at GFSJohnV at Gmail dot com.*
*John Vasconcelos*

On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Bigal429 via Azores Genealogy 
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  I am wondering if anyone can recommend a person who does research for
 the island of  Flores. If you have used someone and liked their service
 that would be very helpful.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing a Pacheco

[John Vasconcelos]

I have a good friend Luis Pacheco, who was born on Sao Jorge, came to the
US to go to college. Last I knew, he was living in Pleasanton California.
Betty, if that interests you, you can contact me directly.
John Vasconcelos

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Repost for Betty Fredericks, bbffrrpp11 at gmail.com

 I want to attempt to talk my husband's uncle into taking a DNA test.
 It won't be easy, and he wouldn't pay for it but maybe his daughter will.
 But, I went to the FamilyTreeDNA site to check out the PACHECO Project.
 On quick look there are less than 20 people participating, and there
 doesn't seem to be an Admin.This surprises me in one way but doesn't
 surprise me in another way.   I very rarely find another PACHECO researcher
 with ties to Greater Boston, MA.But, I thought there would be PACHECO's
 in all of the U.S. who might be interested in their family-tree.

 (At Thanksgiving Dinner last week, I brought this subject up, and my
 step-son - just out of the Navy - reminded me that PACHECO's were in many
 countries.   Of course most know about the name in Mexico,  but he
 mentioned the Philippines.)

 http://www.familytree.com/surnames/Pacheco

 http://www.geni.com/surnames/pacheco

 (interesting info there !)

 Betty(near Lowell, MA, USA)


 P.S.I think I already mentioned that a month ago I found out from a
 1921 newspaper article that my husband's grandfather, Antone PACHECO, did
 have a brother, Manuel PACHECO.They were both living in Cambridge, MA,
 in 1920's, and the brother managed a tap.There were 3  Manuel
 PACHECO's in Cambridge in 1920, so I don't know which one was the
 brother.   But, my gut feeling is the one who owned the Willow Furniture
 Store was the brother.   ...  I haven't had time to try to find out more
 about Manny, but I'll try this week.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

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Eric,
Adding to what you said about the Canhoto alcunha on Flores, I once helped
a fellow (now deceased) with a Canhoto in his family tree. He was born in
the US and I helped him research his Flores family tree. Somehow he didn't
quite get it because he always said that among other families, he was
researching the Canhoto family from Flores.
John Vasconcelos

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 I've been working on a Pimentel family from Flores. For a few generations
 the were Pimentel Belo. Belo = beautiful.

 Then the next generation is Pimentel Canhoto. Canhoto means left-handed,
 but also, like the French word gauche, also clumsy, coarse, awkward.


 Eric Edgar

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 Hi Anthony,

 I can't speak for every place in the Azores but I can speak to you about
 the use of alcunhas in Lajes do Pico. My father frequently talks about
 people from the old country he lived there until his early 30's and
 usually  refers  them by their alcunha seldom by their surname most
 families were known by an alcunha and they were usually passed down along
 the paternal line just like a surname in the United States, surnames
 however were inconsistently passed down. Surnames are even today seldom
 used in everyday conversation I suspect due to so many people sharing
 common surnames.

  If you walked into a village and asked for Manuel Cardoso most people
 wouldn't have any idea who you were talking about even though that may be
 that person's official surname, But if you asked for Manuel Melao(Melon) or
 Manuel Pombo(Pigeon) someone would figure out who you were talking about.
 Interestingly those are actual alcunhas for two different Cardoso lines.

 I've looked at the information from the  Rol dos Confesados for 1883(This
 information was collected by the parish priest and documents all those of
 age to confess by household) and found some interesting alcunhas for some
 of mine and my wife's line's. Some I am able to translate,  two are also
 used as surnames by some families Bonito(Handsome) and Craveiro others I
 found are Touro(Bull), Toucinho(bacon), Caipiras(Countrified, the American
 version I think would be Redneck), Zarigo, Burrinha(Donkey), Carocha(Bug),
 Zidro, Pe de Galinha(Chicken Foot, very interesting!)

 I have also noticed that some of my lines didn't have alcunhas recorded
 for some reason especially the one's that owned more property.

 I'm curious if anyone else would care to share their families alcunhas.

 Antonio


 On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:44:17 PM UTC-7, Anthony Martin wrote:

 I've been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming
 practices, but I haven't found anything related to this question.

 My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common
 for families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio
 Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where
 to be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be
 'rrabola' and 'Ilhars'.

 Does anyone have an explanation for this?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with name marriage, Maia

[John Vasconcelos]

A nespera is a loquat.

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is it an alcunha?  When I translated it, it said in English that it's
 something like a what we call crab apples.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[John Vasconcelos]

*Adding to JR's comments, I can cite examples on Flores of appended
surnames including one in my family tree. I had a 2ggrandmother, Anna
Isabel born in Fajazinha, Flores. Her father was Antonio de Freitas
Eduardo, b 1763. His father was Eduardo de Freitas. In effect, what this is
saying is that her father was Antonio de Freitas who is son of Eduardo de
Freitas (not Antonio de Freitas who is the son of Manuel de Freitas who
lives at the other end of the Freguesia). Sometimes these appended surnames
were dropped after one or two generations. Sometimes the appended surname
became THE surname. The present Mestre of the Fajazinha Filarmonica is Jose
Gabriel Eduardo who is probably a distant cousin of mine. Eduardo cousins
who have immigrated to the US have in some cases adopted Edwards as a
surname. *


* Another interesting case is the family tree of Nicolau de Fraga b mid
1700's  in Lajes, Flores, m Maria Furtada. They had a son Manuel Francisco
Nicolau, who had a son Francisco Antonio de Fraga who in turn had a son
Manuel Francisco Nicolau. Throughout the generations the surname varies
between Fraga and Nicolau in an irregular manner.*

*These are the two most interesting cases.*
*John Vaasconcelos  *.


On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:17 PM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy 
azores@googlegroups.com wrote:

  Is it unusual to NOT include the father’s surname in documents in the
 early 1800’s on the island of Faial?  My ancestor was Antonio Catherino/a
 and his parents were Manoel Francisco Catherina and Theresa Felicia.
 Antonio married Maria Jacintha.  The information I have is that the were
 married on 17 Sept 1821. (Could well be a typo) I believe this is their
 marriage document but; I “think” it says they were married on 27 Sept 1821
 and that Antonio’s parents were Manoel Franciso and Theresa Felicia (no
 mention of the surname Catherino/a.  Maria Jacintha’s parents agree with my
 information ( Domingos Luis and Francisca Jacintha.  So my questions are:
  1.  Does anyone see the surname Catherino/a
  2.  If not, why do you think it isn’t listed?
  3.  Is the date shown 27 Sept 1821?
  4.  Since everything agrees with my information, do you agree that I have
 the right document?

 Top, left one.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855_item1/P184.html

 Thanks for all opinions and responses in advance, Sam (who is ‘in
 contract’ for a home in Camas, WA) 

 Sent from Windows Mail

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname Focha

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Hi Rosemarie,
Although it's not very common, I've seen the Focha surname on Flores
John Vasconcelos


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   Hi all,

 I am helping a friend with some research on the Focha family of Petaluma
 CA. I ran the surname through the NEPS site for Pico  Faial and it didn’t
 come up. Does anyone out there know this surname on their Island of
 research? I don’t remember seeing it on Sao Jorge but then again I haven’t
 done research in every village.

 Thanks for any ideas on the surname.

 Rosemarie

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname Focha

[John Vasconcelos]

Rosemarie,
I did a search on ANYWHO. com and found Focha's in N. San Jose, Escalon,
Oakdale, and Ione in Calif, some with phone number. Might be worth a phone
call.
John


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   Thanks John, I did some more searching on Ship Passenger lists and the
 two I did fine were from Flores! Good to know that someone else has see the
 name there. The trouble is that the Caetano Jose Focha that lived in
 Petaluma probably married here not Flores so I don’t think I will find his
 marriage. Wife’s name was Anna some say Silveira some say Mederios and of
 course, no village name listed on anything. He was in the UPEC,found his
 death on their registers but the council that he was in (3) was NOT filmed
 by the Mormon’s when they filmed the UPEC records. My girls friend is going
 to go to the Freitas Library and see if they will let her see the original
 membership record book and see if Caetano’s village is listed.

 Thanks again, Rosemarie

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 *To:* azores azores@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname Focha

   Hi Rosemarie,
 Although it's not very common, I've seen the Focha surname on Flores
 John Vasconcelos


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 CA. I ran the surname through the NEPS site for Pico  Faial and it didn’t
 come up. Does anyone out there know this surname on their Island of
 research? I don’t remember seeing it on Sao Jorge but then again I haven’t
 done research in every village.

 Thanks for any ideas on the surname.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] name help

[John Vasconcelos]

Another possibility might be Pinheiro (which means pine tree in
Portuguese). When I grew up in Fresno there was a local undertaker Art Pine
who did a lot of business with the Portuguese community and his real last
name was Pinheiro
John Vasconcelos


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 Hello All,
 So I've been searching for my daughters grandmother under the wrong name.
 But I need help now with the correct name.
 I was just told that it was not Pine but Pont.  That's all I was told.
 They had no idea how to spell it.   So would it be Pont or Ponte?  Any
 suggestions at all.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brother's Keeper genealogy program

[John Vasconcelos]

Doug and Antonio,
I second all you've said. I've been using Brother's Keeper since the late
90's for two reasons. 1.) Accents and 2.) It supports a Portuguese language
option.
John Vasconcelos


On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 11:56 AM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 Wow, Antonio.

 You will love the upgrades since version 5.
 It's also more stable on the newer computers.
 I've been using v7 all day today and there are only minor changes I have
 noticed from version 6. I think the main improvement is at the background
 level, the code, which makes it stable. It probably became an issue because
 of the newer operating systems like the new Windows.

 The creator of the program is also great to deal with. He always listens
 to suggestions and helps with any problems. And I believe the biggest
 strength was at the beginning when people from many languages could use it
 in their own language. Maybe that's what you are doing. I used to have a
 German version, but don't bother with that anymore.

 I started with PAF the first few years and didn't like the lack of accents
 back then. Brother's Keeper was way ahead of it with just about any
 accents. I still can't make a certain Hungarian character with an accent
 over the O, but I'm OK with that.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


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 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brother's Keeper genealogy program
 From: Antonio Roque roqueantonioro...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, May 31, 2014 8:22 pm
 To: azores@googlegroups.com

 I do like Brother's Keeper, have had it for many years and never upgraded
 it. I believe I do have v5

 On Saturday, May 31, 2014 11:07:41 PM UTC-4, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

 Another list member mentioned that there is a new release of Brother's
 Keeper (v.7) which I hadn't yet noticed.
 They were having trouble with reading their data files from the previous
 version.

 So in case there are others using Brother's Keeper, I can help you to
 read those files.
 I just got it installed and it seems to look exactly like the older
 version - just as good as ever.

 It's a free trial and you actually get the full version with the option
 to send in your registration. But if you never do pay them, you still have
 a full working version. I believe the term is share ware, but maybe not.

 Google for Brother's Keeper 7 to download it.

 Write me here for any help you need with it:
 pi...@dholmes.com

 But if you are first trying it out, there is no need to convert older
 version data files. You might instead have to make a gedcom from any
 currently used genealogy program. If you are starting from scratch, just
 install and go for it.

 I've been using this program for 18 years. I have tried many others, but
 always stuck with this one.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pimentel, Lomba das Flores, mid-1800s

[John Vasconcelos]

Hello Cousin(?) Mary,
I was born and raised in the Fresno area and my father was born in Lomba
Flores, immigrated to the US in 1909, initially to Montana but eventually
settling in the Fresno area. Growing up, I knew many Pimentels, some of
whom called my mother prima' (cousin.) We used to run into each other
regularly  at the Portuguese Festas either at the old Portuguese Hall at
North and Orange and more recently at the new Portuguese hall in Easton. On
Sundays we often would see each other at St Alphonsus church on Kearney Ave
in west Fresno. Did by any chance part of your family move to Boise Idaho
from Fresno?  If you contact me privately, I can give you more details
about our possible relationship.
John Vasconcelos


On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Repost for Mary Pimentel Wheeler, pimwheel at gmail.com

 I'm stuck on my research on the Pimentel's from Flores.  My GGF was born
 in Lomba Flores - his name was Frank/Francisco Joseph Pimentel.  DOB was
 January 1854, and died in Fresno in 1929.  His son was Frank Joseph
 Pimentel, who married Louise Evangelho.  His daughter was Marie Pimentel,
 who married John Pimentel just to confuse things even more :-).  As I
 recall growing up, there were several Frank Pimentel's in the Fresno area,
 which makes figuring out which one is my Frank a bit confusing.  I was
 wondering if anyone has documentation that ties back to either my GF or
 GGF?  Here is what I have so far in terms of dates, places of birth etc:
 I'm especially interested in the information from the Azores.  Thanks!

 Grandfather - Frank (Francisco) Joseph Pimentel Jr - Born Sept 6, 1899
 Providence RI. Married to Louise (Luisa) Evangelho - Born July 4 or 5, 1900
 GGrandfather - Frank (Francisco) Joseph Pimentel, Born January 1854 Lamba,
 Flores, Azores. Married tin Rhoad Islan to Mary Ann Green (?)  in 1890 or
 1898 (sources conflict on the year).  I'm told he was a whaler, someone in
 the family had an ivory thimble he used when he mended sails on the ships
 he was on.
 GGGrandfather - possibly Jose Sebastio Pimentel. but I do not have other
 information or confirmation.I'm presuming he was born and died in the
 Azores.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismal of Boaventura.

[John Vasconcelos]

Eric,
That sort of thing makes my blood boil!! My standard procedure in doing my
genealogy is to spell proper names the way they were spelled during the
person's lifetime which to me is the way everybody should do it. My father
who died in 1963 was Joao Vitorino Vasconcelos. My paternal grandfather who
died in 1906 was Francisco Victorino Vasconcellos.
John Vasconcelos


On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:48 AM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've found that in the Casais do Flores e Corvo book, Mr Pimentel Gomes
 has often  standardized the spelling of names despite how they are written
 in the actual record.

 for example ;  Basoura Vassoura---Jacinto  Jacintho--Inacio Ignacio,
 Matias Mathias .


 Eric Edgar


 On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Margaret Vicente 
 margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Suzanne and Manuel,

 I read Basoura which was old writing for the word vassoura (broom)




 On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM, mnk kamis...@comcast.net wrote:

 It does not look like Salvador for the paternal grandfather to me.
 Something like Baloura (?). Maybe another set of eyes are still needed to
 decipher this surname!,

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dias/ Silviera / Henriques / Fraga 1800 - present

[John Vasconcelos]

If I may jump in here, I have Flores family connections in both Atwater and
Buhach. My maternal grandparents were Jose Joaquim de Freitas and Ana Jose
Corvelo from Fajazinha, Flores so that answers one of your questions, Eric.
One of my uncles, Francisco (Frank) Freitas, worked in the Merced area when
he first immigrated to the US about 1917 before settling down in Fresno. I
had several Corvelo cousins in Atwater including Tom and George Corvelo
(past supreme president of the UPEC).
I also have a more direct Buhach connection, Jim Apolinario (whose mother
was a Corvelo, also a past supreme president of UPEC) grew up on a farm in
the Buhach area.

I also have a 5G grandfather, Antonio George from Cedros Flores.
John Vasconcelos


On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:31 AM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Debra,

 Your George family were friends of my great grandparents. My g
 grandfather, Manuel Luiz Noia came from Ponta Delgada, Flores to Merced Co
 in 1889 also. He chose that area because his father and uncle ( Domingo
 Antonio Noia and Jose Coelho Rodrigues) had  been in the area 1860-1870
 working driving the gold wagons from Mariposa to Oakland. They had  friends
 from Flores that settled in Cathay Valley, Mariposa in the 1860s ( Manuel
 Jacinto Silva and Manuel Jose Armas) after 10 years working as a foreman
 establishing orchards for George Bloss, he bought his own ranch in Atwater
 in 1899

 The Silva place in Cathay Valley seemed to be a social center for the
 Flores gang from Merced. From the 1890s into the 1930s even, when the
 farming was done in the fall, the men would head up for deer hunting
 through the winter.


 The photo here, from about 1900 shows the young farmhands playing around
 on a break. Your ggrandfather may be one of them

 I can probably fill in some blanks in both these families for you.  Do you
 have a village for the Jorge or Freitas families on Flores?

 Eric Edgar



 On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Debra Wolgemuth wolgemut...@msn.comwrote:

 My Azorean relatives came from Flores and settled in Merced.  Many of
 their neighbors were Azorean Portuguese farming alfalfa, sweet potatoes,
 tomatoes, peaches, apricots, almonds and walnuts.

 *My Grandmother's Lineage*
 My ggf, Francisco Jorge/George, immigrated from the Azores (Flores) in
 1889 and moved to the Merced area.  He helped build the roads to Yosemite
 and brought gold down from the hills back to Merced.  He then worked in
 various farmhand jobs, saving money to buy a farm in Merced (west of
 Merced, toward El Nido, a small farming community).

 In 1905 he brought his bride, Leopoldina Freitas (also from Flores), to
 California and married her in Fresno with her cousins in attendance.  They
 sold the first farm and purchased their final farm of 40 acres off Franklin
 Road (north of Merced and bordering Atwater near where Castle AFB would
 eventually be) in the Buhach Colony.  The Buhach Colony had a LARGE group
 of Portuguese farming families in the area.  The local Catholic Church was
 in the Buhach Colony.  That Catholic Church was where we went for the
 annual Pentecost celebration and sopas meal.  The Buhach Colony surrounds
 Highway 99 from Franklin to Buhach Roads.

 *My Grandfather's Lineage*
 We do not have as much information about this side of the family with
 surnames of Enos, Silviera and Rodrigues, as my father met finally met his
 father as an adult. The Enos (my ggf) family were farmers and lived in the
 Buhach Colony too.  His wife was Maria Silviera (my ggm)and I don't know
 much about them or exactly what island they came from.
 The Rodrigues side I haven't discovered much about as my ggf was Manuel
 Rodrigues (a very common name) and he died in the flu epidemic of 1917/18
 right after my grandfather was born.  Don't know how Manuel's family
 immigrated to California, but wonder if they came through Hawaii, as one of
 my uncles has strong Asian characteristics in his eyes.

 Debbie Rodrigues Wolgemuth


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 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dias/ Silviera/ Henriques/ Fraga 1800 -
 present
 From: noblankt...@gmail.com
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 John,

 Post what you have on the Central Valley folks. My mom's family settled
 from Modesto and Ceres down to Atwater, I've researched many families from
 that area,

 Eric Edgar


 On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 9:35 AM, john kracha jkk...@gmail.com wrote:

 It appears that ancestors originated in area of Cedres, Flores, Azores
 and settled in Central Valley of California. Mostly near Modesto. Since
 Cedros is relatively small, there is some historical connection still
 remaining. Can you help fill in? The google sites that I have researched do
 not identify paternal/ maternal lines.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.

[John Vasconcelos]

Antonio,
I have a book A Ihla das Flores: da redescoberta a actualidade (Subsidios
para s sua Historia)  by Francisco Antonio Nunes Pimentel Gomes publshed
by Camara Municipal das Flores, 2003. I suspect that it's out of print but
may still be available from Camara das Lajes, Flores. If not, I would be
glad to photocopy and send to you the chapter entitled Familias which
covers all the original settling families.
John Vasconcelos


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Antonio Faria antoniof1...@gmail.comwrote:

 Does anyone know if a list exists of the original settlers of Flores
 island. I can trace my paternal line directly to Baltazar Vieira born in
 Pico  about 1580, I think he may be descended from Joao Vieira that settled
 in Pico about 1509. I have 2 Y-dna matches from Flores island one of which
 the Ftdna software has predicted our common ancestor to be approximately
 500 years ago. I suspect my line and theirs trace to Porto Portugal. I also
 have a hunch  both of these two gentlemen's ancestors settled in 1510 on
 Flores because I have read that a ship full of settlers from the north of
 Portugal dropped off settlers there in 1510, and there are various other
 reasons why I think it likely but I won't list at this time. The surnames I
 am looking for specifically  are Vieira, Goncalves and Anes. If anyone is
 aware of a cited document with the names of the original settlers to Flores
 please let me know.

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Fwd: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.

[John Vasconcelos]

Adding to what Doug said: Gomes references both Fructoso's Saudades da
Terra and Diogo das Chagas' Espelho Cristalino as well as other
references.
John Vasconcelos

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From: John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores,
looking for a list of original Flores settlers.
To: azores azores@googlegroups.com


Antonio,
I have a book A Ihla das Flores: da redescoberta a actualidade (Subsidios
para s sua Historia)  by Francisco Antonio Nunes Pimentel Gomes publshed
by Camara Municipal das Flores, 2003. I suspect that it's out of print but
may still be available from Camara das Lajes, Flores. If not, I would be
glad to photocopy and send to you the chapter entitled Familias which
covers all the original settling families.
John Vasconcelos


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Antonio Faria antoniof1...@gmail.comwrote:

 Does anyone know if a list exists of the original settlers of Flores
 island. I can trace my paternal line directly to Baltazar Vieira born in
 Pico  about 1580, I think he may be descended from Joao Vieira that settled
 in Pico about 1509. I have 2 Y-dna matches from Flores island one of which
 the Ftdna software has predicted our common ancestor to be approximately
 500 years ago. I suspect my line and theirs trace to Porto Portugal. I also
 have a hunch  both of these two gentlemen's ancestors settled in 1510 on
 Flores because I have read that a ship full of settlers from the north of
 Portugal dropped off settlers there in 1510, and there are various other
 reasons why I think it likely but I won't list at this time. The surnames I
 am looking for specifically  are Vieira, Goncalves and Anes. If anyone is
 aware of a cited document with the names of the original settlers to Flores
 please let me know.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.

[John Vasconcelos]

Great Antonio,
It'll be a day or two before I can get to it.I'll be tied up most of he day
tomorrow and Friday morning. It's 40 pages and Im not set up to scan it so
I'll just have to photocopy it and snail mail it. What is your snail mail
address?
Regards,
John Vasconcelos


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Antonio Faria antoniof1...@gmail.comwrote:

 John, that would be wonderful I really would appreciate it.


 On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:02:26 PM UTC-7, John Vasconcelos wrote:

 Antonio,
 I have a book A Ihla das Flores: da redescoberta a actualidade
 (Subsidios para s sua Historia)  by Francisco Antonio Nunes Pimentel Gomes
 publshed by Camara Municipal das Flores, 2003. I suspect that it's out of
 print but may still be available from Camara das Lajes, Flores. If not, I
 would be glad to photocopy and send to you the chapter entitled Familias
 which covers all the original settling families.
 John Vasconcelos


 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Antonio Faria antoni...@gmail.comwrote:

 Does anyone know if a list exists of the original settlers of Flores
 island. I can trace my paternal line directly to Baltazar Vieira born in
 Pico  about 1580, I think he may be descended from Joao Vieira that settled
 in Pico about 1509. I have 2 Y-dna matches from Flores island one of which
 the Ftdna software has predicted our common ancestor to be approximately
 500 years ago. I suspect my line and theirs trace to Porto Portugal. I also
 have a hunch  both of these two gentlemen's ancestors settled in 1510 on
 Flores because I have read that a ship full of settlers from the north of
 Portugal dropped off settlers there in 1510, and there are various other
 reasons why I think it likely but I won't list at this time. The surnames I
 am looking for specifically  are Vieira, Goncalves and Anes. If anyone is
 aware of a cited document with the names of the original settlers to Flores
 please let me know.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: first degree of consanguinity

[John Vasconcelos]

Marriage between first cousins has taken place more than once on my
paternal line. One set of my great grandparents were first first cousins.
In more recent generations in this same line, first cousin marriages have
occurred with no apparent ill effects. I can cite one specific case where
the two first cousins married and their son went on to get an advanced
degree in finance. He subsequently married a non-cousin. His grandparents
were both first cousins of mine. There's an old saying, when cousins marry,
if the genes are good, you get geniuses, but if the genes are bad, you get
idiots.
John Vasconcelos


On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 3:08 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 I suppose the logic in Hawaiian royalty was that they were superior to
 begin with, so marriage to another such superior person couldn't help but
 produce more superior offspring.

 But I have never once seen any example of royal marriages to siblings. I
 think in Catholic countries, they would never get approval from the Pope.
 Thank goodness for that, at least.

 It reminds me of the book I read last year about early Irish society where
 they permitted first and second cousins to marry, but caught a lot of flak
 from Rome because of it and it forced many changes about 1000 years ago in
 the Catholic church in Ireland.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: first degree of consanguinity
 From: Antonio Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, April 05, 2014 10:40 am
 To: azores@googlegroups.com

 The incest taboo among siblings has been exempt among royalty of various
 cultures throughout history, one example being the royal Hawaiian families
 in fact it was encouraged they believe such unions produces superiors
 specimens.

 On Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:57:25 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

 Of course. And that's why you don't ever see a 1st degree connection
 getting married.

 Frankly, it's surprising to me 1st and 2nd degree was ever allowed. Maybe
 it was a way to generate more money by the church, so they allowed it? I'm
 assuming they had to pay a bigger fee for dispensation, but it's possible
 even poor people could get it free.

 I'm changing the subject to reflect this discussion. Look for the
 previous comments under the subject Help with baptism from Ponta Garca.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
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   Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Ponta Garca
 From: Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, April 05, 2014 8:49 am
 To: Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com

 I thought a brother marrying a sister was forbidden by law in most
 countries and considered incest?  So what is incest in the Azores and
 Portugal?


 Cheri Mello

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vierra/Vieira Family

[John Vasconcelos]

Dianne,
When you are in Santa Cruz, Flores, be sure to stop in at the Flores Museum
which is located in the old Convento da Boaventura. The former director
Joao Antonio Gomes Vieira still spends a lot of time there (his son Luis is
now the director) and may be related to you or at least probably can hook
you up with relatives. Contact me directly if you like and I can probably
give you some more leads but it will take me a little time.
John Vasconcelos gfsjohnv at gmail dot com


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:04 PM, dicarlo.dia...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Carolina,
 like Dave I am also a reader, my mom came across this site when looking
 for my paternal great grandparents who lived in Lajes das Flores. António
 Rodrigues Vieira and Maria da Trindade were my great grandparents (I have a
 photo of them)  My grandfather Joao Rodrigues Vierra settled in Turlock and
 had a dairy ranch there. It sounds like your husband's great grandfather is
 the brother of my grandfather. I am going to visit Flores for the first
 time later this year.
 Dianne

 On Sunday, December 23, 2007 2:40:17 PM UTC-8, Carolina wrote:

 Thanks Helen and Cliff for the info!

 I just found this group a couple of weeks ago so I am still trying to
 get my bearings straightlol.

 All of this info is actually for my husband's side of the family - no
 one really has done research so I thought I'd give it a go.

 My side of the family is from Madeira - my parents were from Paul do
 Mar.

 We live in the Bay Area - in the city Pleasant Hill, near Walnut Creek
 and Concord. My husband's distant family lives in the Modesto/Turlock
 area.

 Thanks again!
 Caroline

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways

[John Vasconcelos]

My maternal grandfather, who was born on Flores in 1852, became part of a
whaling crew in about 1869, joining the crew of a whaling ship off the west
coast of Flores. Unfortunately, we don't know a whole lot of what happened
on that voyage except that they were almost caught in the big freeze of
1871 in which a number of whaling ships were frozen into the ice in
Alaskan waters (some of which were crushed). My grandfather, from the
information we have, jumped ship and ended up in San Francisco, I
understand that the return from Alaskan waters may also have been via the
Hawaiian Islands so it's possible that some crew members jumped ship there.
John Vasconcelos


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
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 *I think it was common knowledge that whalers from New England would stop
 in the Azores and pick up extra crew. After the trip the Whaler would go to
 New Bedford or any of the other ports in the US to deliver their catch and
 the crew would be paid and then left to their own means without returning
 them to the Azores.*



 *Rick*



 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Spring, TX*





 *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *E Sharp
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:00 AM
 *To:* azores
 *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways



 There is/are ship(s) that brought people from the Azores to the US
 illegally and there is no ship's manifest documenting these people so
 trying to find them in a ship's manifest is highly unlikely. I often
 wondered if these people obtained a Passportes from the Azores since they
 entered the US illegally, did they leave the Azores illegally.



 E



 On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:54 AM, rcapodc rcap...@redshift.com wrote:

 Antonio,



 At the end of the ship manifest (last page), the Captain (or purser,
 whoever) would write a list of the passengers and how many had died, how
 many were born and if any stowaways were found. There is no list that I
 know of that just lists the stowaways into the USA.



 Rosemarie



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 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:05 AM

 *To:* azores@googlegroups.com

 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways



 How would they be recorded on a ship's manifesto?
 Anyone seen a ship manifesto mentioning a stowaway?
 Are there any records of stowaways from the Acores to the U.S.?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores: how our first commers found it!

[John Vasconcelos]

A couple of identifiable landmarks if you ever visit Flores
At about 0:30 that appears to be Monchique  off the west coast of Flores
The sequence from about 2:30 to about 2:40 are the string of waterfalls
behind the Village of Fajazinha  where my mother was born.
John Vasconcelos


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eliseuman...@sapo.pt wrote:

 If you never visited Azores Islands, please follow the url:




 http://escarradelas.blogspot.pt/2014/03/os-acores-vistos-por-um-realizador.html?utm_medium=twitterutm_source=twitterfeedm=1



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 Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cassamento Antonio Corvello e Antonia do Esirito Santo 13 Dec 1706

[John Vasconcelos]

My maternal Grandmother was a Corvello/Corvelo (BTW, on Flores this is the
spelling used) so at one point I contacted James Guill to ask if he had any
more information on the family. He said that he had gone to the archives
(Torre do Tombo, I suppose) and had seen the original contract between
Prince Henry and Antonio Catalao (Corvello) and that it said that Antonio
would go from Catalonia to Santa Maria to supervise the establishment of
the sugar cane industry and the building of processing mills.
John Vasconcelos


On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe Guill also stated that the Curvelos came from Santa Maria island.



 Cheri Mello
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 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cassamento Antonio Corvello e Antonia do Esirito Santo 13 Dec 1706

[John Vasconcelos]

Tony,
I have also been unable to connect my Corvello line back to Santa Maria
because, essentially all of Flores Vital records before about the mid
1600's are lost because, as the story goes, in the mid-1600s, privateer's
or pirates attacked Flores and burned every church on the Island. However,
there is a branch of the Corvello family on Flores which arrived on Flores
after the late 1600's, who apparently can trace their ancestry back to
Santa Maria.
John Vasconcelos


On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Anthony Soares asoaresph...@gmail.comwrote:

 This Antonio Curvello would be my 6th Great Grandfather,this is the first
 spelling with the u that I have found all others have been Corvello/Corvelo
 as you stated. The Soares surname was not added till my 1st Great
 Grandfather in the mid 1800's. As JR mentioned in an earlier post a very
 good researcher on Terceira was not able to make the Corvello jump to Santa
 Maria.Maybe there is a connection to this Antonio Catalao,if there is hope
 I can find it. Thank you for the added information.

 Muito Obrigado

 Tony Soares


 On Sunday, February 2, 2014 11:16:56 AM UTC-8, John Vasconcelos wrote:

 My maternal Grandmother was a Corvello/Corvelo (BTW, on Flores this is
 the spelling used) so at one point I contacted James Guill to ask if he had
 any more information on the family. He said that he had gone to the
 archives (Torre do Tombo, I suppose) and had seen the original contract
 between Prince Henry and Antonio Catalao (Corvello) and that it said that
 Antonio would go from Catalonia to Santa Maria to supervise the
 establishment of the sugar cane industry and the building of processing
 mills.
 John Vasconcelos


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 I believe Guill also stated that the Curvelos came from Santa Maria
 island.



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] thank you

[John Vasconcelos]

Pat Corbera? Welcome back stranger! It's been a few years since we've
communicated. Dartmouth, Mass you say. You might know my cousin Enid
(Vasconcellos) Silva. Her father was my first cousin.

 About 65 degrees in South Pasadena, Ca (But boy, are we having a drought
to say nothing of the brush fires!)
John Vasconcelos


On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 6:44 AM, blackice...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hello,
 I would like to thank all of you that helped me fill in with what I
 needed. You have been a great help to me.
 I'm sure I'll need more help here and there soon.
 Thanks again and may God Bless you all

 17 degrees in Dartmouth Ma.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to encourage CCA to post on-line records for Vila Franca

[John Vasconcelos]

There is Courtney but it would require either you, a local family member
(who lives there) or a paid researcher to go to the local civil registry
where the event was registered and search the records.In 2002, I was
visiting the island of Flores where my parents were born. I have a cousin
who works in the offices of the Municipio (which is roughly equivalent to
our County) of Lajes das Flores. I told her that I was looking for my
parents' 1928 marriage record. She was able to promptly look it up and make
me a photocopy of it. Now, I'll have to admit that I had connections and
for all I know, what she did might have been illegal (or may be illegal
now). I don't know if some one coming in off the street could get the
same service. Perhaps some one like Joao Ventura could tell us.
John Vasconcelos .


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 This is kinda off topic but is there a place to locate the records after
 1911 or is the CCA planning on getting them up?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder results in (through part of batch 527)

[John Vasconcelos]

*I am pleased with the latest FF results but still remain totally confused
with the Y-DNA results that I receive periodically. Recent family finder
results indicate that Joan Freitas Estracher (sp?) and I  may be as close
as 3rd cousins.  I have met Joan at Amigos das Flores in Fresno and we
have speculated on how we might be related. Previous FF test results have
indicated that George Mello (Cheri's father) and I maybe as closely related
as 4th cousins although I have no known S. Miguel ancestors. These are
people I have met.

*
*On the other hand, my Y-dna matches, seem to be totally off the wall. They
usually seem to be Welch or other northern european, and very rarely
portuguese. Could it be that one of my ancestors was a crew member on one
of the Portuguese ships in the Spanish Armada that landed somewhere in the
UK?? (BTW, one of my nieces married a Welchman. Wouldn't it be ironic if he
turned out to be a distant relative.
*
*John Vasconcelos*


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 Family Finder (FF) results are in up through part of batch 527.

 They are behind on mtDNA.

 Some people are having a hard time with Y-DNA (finding the right region on
 that Y chromosome).

 If they are having problems with your DNA and the expected date has
 expired, there will be a note on your page.

 Right now, I can't get the FTDNA pages to load consistently.  Everybody is
 probably checking their DNA.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree

[John Vasconcelos]

*E

*
*Thanks for finding that extremely interesting interview of Dr David
Pimentel. I really didn't realize how much he had accomplised. He also ran
for office in the Sierra Club some years ago but was not elected. I recall
some controversy at the time but don't remember the details.
*
*John Vasconcelos .*


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 8:28 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gary and Edgar,

 Check out this site:

 http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc1204/article_1089.shtml

 E


 On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:06 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gary,

 The obit should effectivly rule out the Pimentel family arriving 1902 as
 related. They are Fereira Pimentel from Pico.

 Eric Edgar


 On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:02 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:


 This is his brother Antonio F Pimentel's baptism record


 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1891-1910/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1891-1910_item1/P3.html

 It matches his WW1 draft record


 http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=6482iid=CA-1530714-5481fn=Antonio+Fln=Pimentelst=dssrc=pid=28391240


 Eric Edgar




 On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:31 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.comwrote:

 These two passport documents show Joao de Freitas Pimentel as a brother
 to Francisco Pimentel, the birthdate of Francisco showing he is in fact the
 same person that died in Fresno in 1963.

 They both state the same entry date and Naturalization date for their
 father, claiming their citizenship through him.

 Joao,


 http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=1174iid=32296_649063_0001-00846pid=2182445ssrc=fn=Joao+De+Freitasln=Pimentelst=g


 Francisco


 http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=1174iid=32296_620305173_0004-00202pid=2005119ssrc=fn=Francisco+Freitasln=Pimentelst=g




 This shiplist of the Cretic arriving Boston 1915 is Francisco Freitas
 heading to Fresno to uncle and aunt Ana Pimentel


 http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=8745iid=MAT843_234-0354sid=gskw=Francisco+F+Pimentel




 Eric Edgar




 On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:21 AM, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks for digging up that record. The couple was Antonio and Anna
 Pimentel. She was locally known as Tia Anna Pimentel and  ran a boarding
 house on H street in Fresno where many Azorean immigats would stay until
 they found a permanent job. Her maiden name was Anna Freitas de Corvello
 related to my maternal Grandmother. Got to run now, but I'll add to this
 story as the memory cells awaken.
  John Vasconcelos


 On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.comwrote:

 Gary P.

 Could this be him? It says he is coming from Fajazinha, Flores.
 Going to Fresno, CA.  It looks like the person listed just before him
 Alberto L. Coelho 17, is going to his Aunt and Uncle Anna Pimentel there 
 is
 a ditto for Francisco F. Pimentel so were these his parents?  If you want
 me to send you an actual picture of the manifest, send me your personal
 email address.  If this is them you should be able to find them on the 
 CCA
 site.  I do not do this anymore as it is too difficult for me to read.
 Sorry.

 E

 Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Boston Passenger and Crew
 Lists, 1820-1943 Name:Francisco F Pimentel Arrival Date:13 Jul 1915
 Age:18Estimated Birth Year:abt 
 1897http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1new=1MSAV=0msT=1gss=angs-igsfn=frank+freitasgsln=pimentelmswpn__ftp=massachusettsmsbdy=1897uidh=612db=bostonplindiv=1pf=1recid=h=2419718fh=ct=fsk=bsk=#
 Gender:MalePort of Departure:St Michaels, Azores, PortugalShip Name:
 CreticPort of Arrival:Boston, Massachusetts Friend's Name:Uncle and
 Aunt Anna Pimentel, Fresno (see above)Last Residence:Flores
 Birthplace:Flores


 On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.comwrote:

 Gary P,

 If you don't have a subscription to Ancestry.com, you can go to your
 local public library to access it.

 You can look for your dad beginning in the 1940 U.S. Federal
 Census.  Then find him in the 1930 and the 1920.  You may be able to 
 find
 him immigrating into America as well, by checking Ancestry's Immigration
 Collection.  He'll probably be under the name of Francisco and the 
 Frietes
 may be Freitas, Frates, etc.  Once you check under Freitas, you'll also
 have to check under Pimentel, Pimental, etc. You don't know if he
 immigrated under the compounded surname or not. All that should answer 
 your
 question about him living on the east coast.  (I'd save a copy of the
 census too).

 Those census should also tell you if he was a naturalized citizen or
 not.  You can order his naturalization packet from the USCIS.

 John Vasconcelos is going to be gone over a couple of weeks.  He was
 born in the Fresno area and says he believes your line was from 
 Fajazinha.

 My how to guide can be found on the Azores GenWeb here:
 goo.gl/XXGwQe
 You may also wish to bookmark the main Azores GenWeb site

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree

[John Vasconcelos]

In the research I did some years ago on the Freitas Pimentel family from
Fajazinha, Flores, I traced the line back to Pedro de Freitas and Ursula
Pimentel (earlier records are lost). My mother's Freitas line branched off
at some point. (since I'm still on the road and dont have access to my
notes, I can't provide more details at this time).
John Vasconcelos


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:31 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:

 These two passport documents show Joao de Freitas Pimentel as a brother to
 Francisco Pimentel, the birthdate of Francisco showing he is in fact the
 same person that died in Fresno in 1963.

 They both state the same entry date and Naturalization date for their
 father, claiming their citizenship through him.

 Joao,


 http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=1174iid=32296_649063_0001-00846pid=2182445ssrc=fn=Joao+De+Freitasln=Pimentelst=g


 Francisco


 http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=1174iid=32296_620305173_0004-00202pid=2005119ssrc=fn=Francisco+Freitasln=Pimentelst=g




 This shiplist of the Cretic arriving Boston 1915 is Francisco Freitas
 heading to Fresno to uncle and aunt Ana Pimentel


 http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=8745iid=MAT843_234-0354sid=gskw=Francisco+F+Pimentel




 Eric Edgar




 On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:21 AM, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks for digging up that record. The couple was Antonio and Anna
 Pimentel. She was locally known as Tia Anna Pimentel and  ran a boarding
 house on H street in Fresno where many Azorean immigats would stay until
 they found a permanent job. Her maiden name was Anna Freitas de Corvello
 related to my maternal Grandmother. Got to run now, but I'll add to this
 story as the memory cells awaken.
  John Vasconcelos


 On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gary P.

 Could this be him? It says he is coming from Fajazinha, Flores.  Going
 to Fresno, CA.  It looks like the person listed just before him Alberto L.
 Coelho 17, is going to his Aunt and Uncle Anna Pimentel there is a ditto
 for Francisco F. Pimentel so were these his parents?  If you want me to
 send you an actual picture of the manifest, send me your personal email
 address.  If this is them you should be able to find them on the CCA site.
 I do not do this anymore as it is too difficult for me to read.  Sorry.

 E

 Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Boston Passenger and Crew
 Lists, 1820-1943 Name:Francisco F Pimentel Arrival Date:13 Jul 1915Age:
 18Estimated Birth Year:abt 
 1897http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1new=1MSAV=0msT=1gss=angs-igsfn=frank+freitasgsln=pimentelmswpn__ftp=massachusettsmsbdy=1897uidh=612db=bostonplindiv=1pf=1recid=h=2419718fh=ct=fsk=bsk=#
 Gender:MalePort of Departure:St Michaels, Azores, PortugalShip Name:
 CreticPort of Arrival:Boston, Massachusetts Friend's Name:Uncle and
 Aunt Anna Pimentel, Fresno (see above)Last Residence:FloresBirthplace:
 Flores


 On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gary P,

 If you don't have a subscription to Ancestry.com, you can go to your
 local public library to access it.

 You can look for your dad beginning in the 1940 U.S. Federal Census.
 Then find him in the 1930 and the 1920.  You may be able to find him
 immigrating into America as well, by checking Ancestry's Immigration
 Collection.  He'll probably be under the name of Francisco and the Frietes
 may be Freitas, Frates, etc.  Once you check under Freitas, you'll also
 have to check under Pimentel, Pimental, etc. You don't know if he
 immigrated under the compounded surname or not. All that should answer your
 question about him living on the east coast.  (I'd save a copy of the
 census too).

 Those census should also tell you if he was a naturalized citizen or
 not.  You can order his naturalization packet from the USCIS.

 John Vasconcelos is going to be gone over a couple of weeks.  He was
 born in the Fresno area and says he believes your line was from Fajazinha.

 My how to guide can be found on the Azores GenWeb here: goo.gl/XXGwQe
 You may also wish to bookmark the main Azores GenWeb site:
 http://goo.gl/Vmutv5

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree

[John Vasconcelos]

Thanks for digging up that record. The couple was Antonio and Anna
Pimentel. She was locally known as Tia Anna Pimentel and  ran a boarding
house on H street in Fresno where many Azorean immigats would stay until
they found a permanent job. Her maiden name was Anna Freitas de Corvello
related to my maternal Grandmother. Got to run now, but I'll add to this
story as the memory cells awaken.
John Vasconcelos


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gary P.

 Could this be him? It says he is coming from Fajazinha, Flores.  Going to
 Fresno, CA.  It looks like the person listed just before him Alberto L.
 Coelho 17, is going to his Aunt and Uncle Anna Pimentel there is a ditto
 for Francisco F. Pimentel so were these his parents?  If you want me to
 send you an actual picture of the manifest, send me your personal email
 address.  If this is them you should be able to find them on the CCA site.
 I do not do this anymore as it is too difficult for me to read.  Sorry.

 E

 Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Boston Passenger and Crew
 Lists, 1820-1943 Name:Francisco F Pimentel Arrival Date:13 Jul 
 1915Age:18Estimated
 Birth Year:abt 
 1897http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1new=1MSAV=0msT=1gss=angs-igsfn=frank+freitasgsln=pimentelmswpn__ftp=massachusettsmsbdy=1897uidh=612db=bostonplindiv=1pf=1recid=h=2419718fh=ct=fsk=bsk=#
 Gender:MalePort of Departure:St Michaels, Azores, PortugalShip Name:CreticPort
 of Arrival:Boston, Massachusetts Friend's Name:Uncle and Aunt Anna
 Pimentel, Fresno (see above)Last Residence:FloresBirthplace:Flores


 On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gary P,

 If you don't have a subscription to Ancestry.com, you can go to your
 local public library to access it.

 You can look for your dad beginning in the 1940 U.S. Federal Census.
 Then find him in the 1930 and the 1920.  You may be able to find him
 immigrating into America as well, by checking Ancestry's Immigration
 Collection.  He'll probably be under the name of Francisco and the Frietes
 may be Freitas, Frates, etc.  Once you check under Freitas, you'll also
 have to check under Pimentel, Pimental, etc. You don't know if he
 immigrated under the compounded surname or not. All that should answer your
 question about him living on the east coast.  (I'd save a copy of the
 census too).

 Those census should also tell you if he was a naturalized citizen or
 not.  You can order his naturalization packet from the USCIS.

 John Vasconcelos is going to be gone over a couple of weeks.  He was born
 in the Fresno area and says he believes your line was from Fajazinha.

 My how to guide can be found on the Azores GenWeb here: goo.gl/XXGwQe
 You may also wish to bookmark the main Azores GenWeb site:
 http://goo.gl/Vmutv5

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family tree

[John Vasconcelos]

*Hi Cousin Gary,
*
*Some years ago, I did extensive research on the Pimentel family from
Fajazinha Flores and established that Dr David Pimentel and I were 4th
cousins. That would make you and I forth cousins. There were several
Pimentels in the Fresno area where I grew up but I wasn't quite clear which
were siblings and which were first cousins but they all used to call my
mother (who was also from Fajazinha) prima. It wasn't until years later
that I worked out the connection. Was one of your father's brothers
Fernando who had a vineyard out on Elm Ave near Manning Ave?
*
*Unfortunately, I'm in the middle of packing because we're leaving early
tomorrow morning on a  2+ week trip. But I'll get back to you when  we get
back. Do you still live in the Fresno area? My sister and her family (+
various cousins) still live there but I now live in the Pasadena area. I do
plan to be in the Fresno area on Aug 24 for the 75th birthday of a 1st
cousin (who is also related to you).
*
*Regards,
*
*John Vasconcelos*


On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Gary Pimentel gary44pimen...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,
 I'm  trying to get a handle on my dad's side of his family. He was Frank
 Pimentel a rancher in Fresno, CA. He has two sons from a previous marriage.
 Dr. David Pimentel of Cornell, and Jack Pimentel Of Mas.
 My father was from Flores and had three brother one who was a priest,
 Manual  on Flores along with his sister, Maria. I think my dad came here
 when he was 21yrs old,.an was a successful farmer in raisin, cotton and
 potatoes. if anyone knows any information on his side of family, I would
 love to hear from you.
 Thanks, Gary Pimentel

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

[John Vasconcelos]

*The Parish church in Lomba, Flores (where my father was born) is Sao
Caetano. I also have cousins from Lomba with the surname Caetano.
*
*John Vasconcelos*


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:23 AM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Caetano is a common given name and a common surname in Flores. There is no
 village of Caetano I've seen there. The link to Azores records online is:

 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/

 Without establishing her birthplace, then parents birthplace, the records
 are just a blind fishing expedition.

 Eric Edgar


 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Cindy D kcci...@aol.com wrote:

 I have Caetano from Lages, Flores in my maternal side, although haven't
 accumulated enough documentation to know exactly how it all connects.  I'm
 still floundering around with all the surname confusion.  My
 g-g-grandmother was Caetano according to my g-grandmother's birth record
 from Lages, Floresheck, I thought Caetano was the name of a village.
 Learning more as I go along.   My g-grandmother came to New
 Bedford/Fairhaven when she was 15 in 1895, she lived and died in 1957 in
 Bristol County, Mass.

  You can search the Flores church records online which is how I found my
 g-grandma's birth record.  I also found her parents marriage after studying
 a few Portuguese words to help me and using Bing's translator, I'm sure the
 administrators have the link they can post for you.


 Cindy D
 Out on the hot Kansas Prairie where being steamed means something else.


 On Saturday, July 13, 2013 2:17:29 PM UTC-5, rose.zb...@gmail.com wrote:

 My great grandmother died in 1953, when I was 5, said name was Caton.
 Filomema Polycena. Said her parents were from Flores. Her mother was
 pregnant with her, one of 14?. Went to Mass., then Ashland area of Bay Area
 because other family/friends lived there. Somewhere around turn of the
 century, both parents died of possibly influenza. All children given to
 family and or friends. Great Grandma was give to friend of Father's who
 lived in Mission San Jose. Married eventually to Manuel Alvernaz  from
 Pico,changed name to Harvey. I don't know why, maybe sounded more
 Americanized.I was blessed to have known her. She had 4 children, 2 dying
 in a terrible home fire when stove exploded., and My Grandmother, Helen
 Evelyn Alvernaz Harvey, died in 1970, and Clarence Harvey,died in the late
 1980s.My Portuguese side has connections deeply in Mission San Jose.Family
 names, Caetano, Caton, Garcia, Andrade, and Harvey.Would appreciate any
 info, especially about Ashland years or those in Massachusetts. Also all
 very active in Holy Ghost Festas,Garcia from Castelo Blanco,Fayal.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese

[John Vasconcelos]

*Isabella,
*
*For the most part, I agree with most of what you said. I now can
understand just about any Portuguese speaking person so much so that when I
hear someone speaking on the radio, I sometimes have to think is that a
Brazilian or an Azorean?  But it took time. It  WAS a problem initially.
*
*John Vasconcelos*


On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Isabella Baltar myportuguese...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I'm Brazilian and so my Portuguese is from Brazil, where I lived most of
 my life. Brazil is almost as big as US, having several different accents as
 we have here in US if you go from N to S or E to W.

 I have been to Portugal and to Azores (Terceira) and I never had a problem
 communicating with anyone. I traveled alone so I had to really speak to
 everybody in restaurants, churches, libraries, taxi drivers, everybody
 understand my Portuguese as I did understand them. It was never a problem
 at all.

 Brazilian Portuguese is for Portugal Portuguese as American English is for
 English from UK, except for regional accents. That is what I experienced
 while being there for about one month and a half.

 Isabella


 On Friday, July 12, 2013 4:10:06 PM UTC-4, David Perry wrote:

 I'm starting to learn Portuguese and everything I see and hear doesn't
 sound at all like what I remember as a child while listening to my born in
 Sao Miguel father talking to his relatives and neighbors, all of whom spoke
 only Portuguese.  For instance, I specifically remember very well two
 words:  legs which my father pronounced pad-nish (doesn't sound at all
 like what I see in a dictionary - pernas) and chourico which my father
 pronounced shoo-dees.  How different is the Sao Miguel Portuguese from
 Lisbon Portuguese?  Are there a few general rules I can follow such as r's
 sound like d's or drop the ending vowel as in the two examples above?
 David

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese

[John Vasconcelos]

*David,
*
*Let me add my perspective to this subject. I was born in central
California to parents from the Island of Flores. My mother had been in this
country only 4 years when I was born so for all practical purposes, my
first language was Portuguese. I spoke very little English when I started
elementary school. In spite of that, I had forgotten most of my Portuguese
by the time I got to High School. Then, a family of cousins immigrated from
Flores and settled nearby and little by little, I started speaking
Portuguese again.

Then within a time span of about 3 years,  I a)  Took my first trip to the
Azores, b) Accepted a Job in Brazil, c) Married a Brasileira with 3 kids.
(I might add that the first few weeks in Brazil, I had a H--- of a time
undestanding them and visa versa). That was over 40 years ago. Now when I
go to the Azores, I often am asked what part of Brazil I'm from and when I
go to Brazil, I'm often asked what part of Portugal I'm from.

Adding to what Cheri said, there is no single Azorean accent. The Sao
Miguel and the Terceira accents are the most distinct. I might also add
that education level also has an influence. Older less educated people seem
to have a more pronounced local accent  while the younger more educated who
may have gone to college usually speak a more standard Portuguese. The
caretaker at the cemetary in Santa Cruz Flores the last time I was there,
had an unmistakable Sao Miguel accent.
*
*John Vasconcelos*


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:10 PM, David Perry djperr...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

 I'm starting to learn Portuguese and everything I see and hear doesn't
 sound at all like what I remember as a child while listening to my born in
 Sao Miguel father talking to his relatives and neighbors, all of whom spoke
 only Portuguese.  For instance, I specifically remember very well two
 words:  legs which my father pronounced pad-nish (doesn't sound at all
 like what I see in a dictionary - pernas) and chourico which my father
 pronounced shoo-dees.  How different is the Sao Miguel Portuguese from
 Lisbon Portuguese?  Are there a few general rules I can follow such as r's
 sound like d's or drop the ending vowel as in the two examples above?
 David

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching De Frega,

[John Vasconcelos]

*Welcome Shirley,
*
*First off, the original spelling of your grandmother's family name was
most likely Fraga or de Fraga. Immigration officials are noted for
mispelling names of immigrants.  Your post caught my eye since I have Fraga
ancestors from the island of Flores. The Fraga surname is also common on
the Island of Corvo but is also known to occur on other islands of the
Azores.

*
*I would recommend that you follow the procedures recommended by Cheri. Any
other names and dates you might be able to dig up from  family sources that
you could post might be helpful in case any of us on the list might
recognize them.
*
*Regards,
*
*John Vasconcelos.
*
*.*


On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Shirley Collenette scollene...@comcast.net
 wrote:

 Trying to find when my grandmother's family came to California, settling
 in Alameda, California, My grandmother was born around 1898 in Alameda from
 Azorean parentage.

 Appreciate any leads in the way of what island from the Azores, how I find
 boat lists or passport info. Thank you!

 Shirley Collenette

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coming to US illegally - Passporte question

[John Vasconcelos]

*E
*
*In answer to your original question, I think they could very well have
left the Azores without a Passaporte.  I base this conclusion on family
stories passed down from my Uncle Jose J Freitas. He said that his second
cousin, Antonio C. Corvello, New Bedford whaling captain, would return to
Flores and bring relatives and friends on his ship to the US without
benefit of documents. Since all these people are no longer with us, I can't
verify the accuracy of this story.
*
*John Vasconcelos*


On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 1:04 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here's a question for you all including those living in the Azores.  If
 someone entered to the US illegally, under dark of night, ca 1900 do you
 think they would they have gotten a Passportes before they left Faial? The
 ship left Faial illegally and there were about 40 passengers on the ship.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coming to US illegally - Passporte question

[John Vasconcelos]

*It is common knowledge that  during the 18th and 19th and possibly the
early 20th centuries, young men of military age, in some cases left the
Azores on American whaling ships without any documents whatsoever. My
maternal grandfather left the island of Flores on a whaling ship in 1869.
The whalers would anchor off the sparsely populated north western shore of
the island and take on recruits. There were patrol boats based at Lajes and
Santa Cruz on the east shore but the whalers would come in at night between
patrols. I don't think the American government at that time was as fussy
about letting people in as they were looking for people to populate the
west. As the family story goes, my grandfather went in to the Sonora County
courthouse in 1873, filled out some papers and became a US citizen. I can't
vouch for the details as the people involved have been dead for years.
*
*John Vasconcelos*


On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 6:29 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote:

 Rick,

 There were women on the ship also.  I am not sure if they all sneaked onto
 the ship in Faial under darkness also and avoided getting a Passportes
 there or what.  The reason they came under darkness in the US is because
 the ship's owners had to pay so much tax or whatever they called it upon
 landing per person over the age of either 16 or 18 and I guess they did not
 want to pay it.

 E


 On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote:

 *Thinking about this I would say they would have had to have papers to
 leave the Acores. If they had papers (a Passport) from the Acores why would
 they have to sneak in to the US at that time if you showed up and got
 through immigration you could get in no quotas required. Perhaps they were
 avoiding military service so they sneaked out of the Acores and not having
 a passport they had to sneak into the us. Perhaps they could not get
 through Immigration because of a physical problem.*

 * *

 *Rick*

 ** **

 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Spring, TX*

 *Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire *

 ** **

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 *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *E Sharp
 *Sent:* Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:04 PM
 *To:* azores
 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Coming to US illegally - Passporte question
 

 ** **

 Here's a question for you all including those living in the Azores.  If
 someone entered to the US illegally, under dark of night, ca 1900 do you
 think they would they have gotten a Passportes before they left Faial? The
 ship left Faial illegally and there were about 40 passengers on the ship.
 

  

 E

  

  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Connect with family members from Flores and Sao Miguel - SantoCristo, De Costa, Gouveia, Pavao

[John Vasconcelos]

Cory,
Do you have any dates for any of these marriges and or births?
John Vasconcelosq


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Cory SantoCristo casahomebyc...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I am Cory SantoCristo and I am currently doing my family tree and have
 traced it back 12 generations to the late 1600's. I am trying to connect
 with anyone that could be related... My family comes from Caveira Flores
 with the Lat name of SantoCristo which apparently only belongs to my
 father, Arthur SantoCristo, my grandfather Andre SantoCristo (Married to
 Leonor Teixeira), my great grandfather Arthur de Costa SantoCristo (from
 Sao Miguel moved to Flores married Isabel Pereira Borges), my great great
 grandfather Manuel de Costa SantoCristo (married to Maria Joaquima, from
 Sao miguel). My great grandfather came from Sao Miguel from the Nossa
 Senhora de Rosario area/Lagoa in Sao miguel Just trying to connect with
 anybody... i can give more info.


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Fwd: [AZORES-Genealogy] Connect with family members from Flores and Sao Miguel - SantoCristo, De Costa, Gouveia, Pavao

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Date: Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Connect with family members from Flores and
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SORRY, Just a slip of the finger LOL

Cory,
Do you have any dates for any of these marriges and or births?
John Vasconcelosq


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Cory SantoCristo casahomebyc...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I am Cory SantoCristo and I am currently doing my family tree and have
 traced it back 12 generations to the late 1600's. I am trying to connect
 with anyone that could be related... My family comes from Caveira Flores
 with the Lat name of SantoCristo which apparently only belongs to my
 father, Arthur SantoCristo, my grandfather Andre SantoCristo (Married to
 Leonor Teixeira), my great grandfather Arthur de Costa SantoCristo (from
 Sao Miguel moved to Flores married Isabel Pereira Borges), my great great
 grandfather Manuel de Costa SantoCristo (married to Maria Joaquima, from
 Sao miguel). My great grandfather came from Sao Miguel from the Nossa
 Senhora de Rosario area/Lagoa in Sao miguel Just trying to connect with
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

[John Vasconcelos]

*I have a nephew-aunt marriage in my family tree. One of my great great
grand fathers married an aunt about 20 years older than he was (for
inheritance reasons I would bet). I would really like to know the story
behind that. After he died he married my great great grandmother.
*
*John Vasconcelos .*


On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 6:42 AM, yukonang...@aol.com wrote:

 **
 I keep reading about cousins marring, but are there any recorded uncle and
 niece marriage. I know this happened, at least in my family. I could not
 believe it when I first found this. My great grandfather, gave his daughter
 to his brother when she was 18. I thought it was odd that her maiden name
 was not on license. While we may not all be super intelligent we got by. As
 far as I know there were no great deformities or retardation from this and
 the line lives into their late 80's to 90's, I am the only one with any
 defect and that is in my heart. So to say I was amazed to learn this news I
 was not totally shocked, just really got me interested in my Azorean roots.

  In a message dated 5/22/2013 3:50:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
 p...@dholmes.com writes:

 First cousins who married is nothing surprising for the Azores. My
 grandmother's parents were first cousins from Sao Roque do Pico.
 And like Nancy, I have numerous ancestors who married cousins, both from
 Pico and not so many, but also in Terceira.

 What surprised me was seeing these double first cousins, as Cheri tells us
 they are called. I might have simply forgotten, but I am not sure I ever
 saw it before.

 In fact, I look very carefully at every marriage record and hope they were
 cousins. There are numerous times I have found older ancestors of my own,
 not to mention for others, based on this fact.

 I believe I mentioned this many years ago on the old Azores List on
 Rootsweb, but first cousins having children can have no visible bad results
 in children.
 My grandmother, daughter of first cousins, lived to 101. Her brother lived
 into his 90s. Another brother was in his 80s, I believe.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree
 From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com
 Date: Wed, May 22, 2013 1:55 pm
 To: azores group azores@googlegroups.com

 My Furtado Cardoso great grandparents were first cousins on Picotheir
 line is FILLED with cousin marriagesover and over through the
 generations. While there are no obvious problems from this I suspect that
 things like diabetes and heart disease are increased in these close lines.
 their daughter married a man whose parents were from Sao Jorge and Santa
 Mariatheir son, my father married my mom whose complete line is from
 Sao Jorge..I've found many surnames between my mom's Sao Jorge line and
 my dad's fathers Sao Jorge line..cousins? Maybe distant onesI don't
 know.

 I read that Flores has the highest incidence of Machado Joseph disease
 found among the Azorean people and it is attributed to the frequency of
 inbreeding. Sometimes things are oksometimes not.

 Nancy Jean

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 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree
 From: gfsjo...@gmail.com
 To: azores@googlegroups.com

  Doug,
 Cousin Marriages are common on Flores because it is such a small Island. I
 have cousin marriages on both sides of my family tree. If the genes are
 good, superior decendants can be produced. I have some first cousins on my
 father's side that married. One of their children married the child of
 another first cousin of mine making them second cousins who married. This
 couple had 4 children all of whom are college graduates. One of these four
 children is now a professor at Boston University.
 John Vasconcelos


 On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:31 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:

  I ran across an old document I had translated about 15 years ago and
 took another look.
 My first notation was that this couple was related in the second degree. I
 never noted whether it was by consanguinity or affinity.
 But usually if I didn't note it, it was by consanguinity.

 Well, my second look proved important because I had missed an important
 word duplicado (duplicate).

 In case you never knew, this means not only they were first cousins, but
 first cousins in two different ways.
 If you think about it, that means they each shared all four of their
 grandparents. They had no ancestors other than what they shared.
 Talk about in-breeding.

 Who was this couple? It was the Capitão-mor of Angra. The highest military
 rank available.
 His name was Manuel Homem da Costa e Noronha Ponce de Leão.

 Find him in any Terceira nobility book to see his illustrious ancestry.

 One might wonder whether their children were born healthy. Well, I don't
 know all the facts yet, but I do know

[AZORES-Genealogy] Ernest Moniz, current Energy Secretary

[John Vasconcelos]

*An article in todsy's LA Times regarding Tesla motor company paying back
it's loan to the Energy Department cited Secretary of Energy Ernest Moniz.
Does anybody know his genealogy, family history, etc? *
John Vasconcelos

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Ernest Moniz, current Energy Secretary

[John Vasconcelos]

*I answered my own question by finding him om Wikipedia.  His parents were
from Sao Miguel. He was born and grew up in Fall River Mass.  Graduate of
Boston University, PhD from Stanford, Professor of Physics at MIT. Senate
confirmed his appointment 97 - 0.
*
*That's it in a nutshell.
*
*John Vasconcelos   *.

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Date: Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:28 AM
Subject: Ernest Moniz, current Energy Secretary
To: azores Azores@googlegroups.com


*An article in todsy's LA Times regarding Tesla motor company paying back
it's loan to the Energy Department cited Secretary of Energy Ernest Moniz.
Does anybody know his genealogy, family history, etc? *
John Vasconcelos

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

[John Vasconcelos]

Doug,
Cousin Marriages are common on Flores because it is such a small Island. I
have cousin marriages on both sides of my family tree. If the genes are
good, superior decendants can be produced. I have some first cousins on my
father's side that married. One of their children married the child of
another first cousin of mine making them second cousins who married. This
couple had 4 children all of whom are college graduates. One of these four
children is now a professor at Boston University.
John Vasconcelos


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:31 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 I ran across an old document I had translated about 15 years ago and took
 another look.
 My first notation was that this couple was related in the second degree. I
 never noted whether it was by consanguinity or affinity.
 But usually if I didn't note it, it was by consanguinity.

 Well, my second look proved important because I had missed an important
 word duplicado (duplicate).

 In case you never knew, this means not only they were first cousins, but
 first cousins in two different ways.
 If you think about it, that means they each shared all four of their
 grandparents. They had no ancestors other than what they shared.
 Talk about in-breeding.

 Who was this couple? It was the Capitão-mor of Angra. The highest military
 rank available.
 His name was Manuel Homem da Costa e Noronha Ponce de Leão.

 Find him in any Terceira nobility book to see his illustrious ancestry.

 One might wonder whether their children were born healthy. Well, I don't
 know all the facts yet, but I do know they had 10 children.
 Three possibly died young - at least I haven't yet noticed them listed as
 adults at marriage or as godparents.
 A few seemed to  have average life spans of at least 60 years. Not yet
 sure of the rest.

 I do know they have many descendants today, including some of my cousins.

 Just think how this combined DNA might affect the Family Finder results.

 I just thought it was interesting.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree

[John Vasconcelos]

*Yes Nancy,
*
*There were certain families that you didn't marry into. I remember my
Father forbidding my sister to go out on a date with the son of a family
friend who was also from Flores. We kids didn't know the reason at the
time. It wasOLD COUNTRY genetic engineering. The oldtimers just kept track
which families had problems and who NOT to marry. Actually, the disease is
named after a Machodo family from Sao Miguel and a Joseph family from
Flores. You just had to be careful which cousins you married
*
*
I have one set of great grand parents who were first cousins: Francisco
Victorino de Vasconcellos and Anna Filizarda de Vasconcellos. Their fathers
were brothers: Francisco Ignacio de Vasconcellos and Nicolau Antonio de
Vasconcellos. I had a first cousin, daughter of my father's sister, who
recently died shortly before her 99th birthday. She had 3 siblings all of
who were in their 90's when they died.

*
*Ther were probably more arranged marriages for genetic reasons than you
might think.
*
*John Vasconcelos *



On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 1:55 PM, nancy jean baptiste 
fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote:

 My Furtado Cardoso great grandparents were first cousins on Picotheir
 line is FILLED with cousin marriagesover and over through the
 generations. While there are no obvious problems from this I suspect that
 things like diabetes and heart disease are increased in these close lines.
 their daughter married a man whose parents were from Sao Jorge and Santa
 Mariatheir son, my father married my mom whose complete line is from
 Sao Jorge..I've found many surnames between my mom's Sao Jorge line and
 my dad's fathers Sao Jorge line..cousins? Maybe distant onesI don't
 know.

 I read that Flores has the highest incidence of Machado Joseph disease
 found among the Azorean people and it is attributed to the frequency of
 inbreeding. Sometimes things are oksometimes not.

 Nancy Jean

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 Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:42:28 -0700
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree
 From: gfsjo...@gmail.com
 To: azores@googlegroups.com


 Doug,
 Cousin Marriages are common on Flores because it is such a small Island. I
 have cousin marriages on both sides of my family tree. If the genes are
 good, superior decendants can be produced. I have some first cousins on my
 father's side that married. One of their children married the child of
 another first cousin of mine making them second cousins who married. This
 couple had 4 children all of whom are college graduates. One of these four
 children is now a professor at Boston University.
 John Vasconcelos


 On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:31 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 I ran across an old document I had translated about 15 years ago and took
 another look.
 My first notation was that this couple was related in the second degree. I
 never noted whether it was by consanguinity or affinity.
 But usually if I didn't note it, it was by consanguinity.

 Well, my second look proved important because I had missed an important
 word duplicado (duplicate).

 In case you never knew, this means not only they were first cousins, but
 first cousins in two different ways.
 If you think about it, that means they each shared all four of their
 grandparents. They had no ancestors other than what they shared.
 Talk about in-breeding.

 Who was this couple? It was the Capitão-mor of Angra. The highest military
 rank available.
 His name was Manuel Homem da Costa e Noronha Ponce de Leão.

 Find him in any Terceira nobility book to see his illustrious ancestry.

 One might wonder whether their children were born healthy. Well, I don't
 know all the facts yet, but I do know they had 10 children.
 Three possibly died young - at least I haven't yet noticed them listed as
 adults at marriage or as godparents.
 A few seemed to  have average life spans of at least 60 years. Not yet
 sure of the rest.

 I do know they have many descendants today, including some of my cousins.

 Just think how this combined DNA might affect the Family Finder results.

 I just thought it was interesting.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] legitimate vs. illegitimate

[John Vasconcelos]

*Eddie,
*
*I know of Azorean families in which every single female child had Maria as
a first name. They typically go by there middle names.  I have a number of
female cousins born in the Azores who went by their middle names among
family and close friends. Those who have immigrated to the US are usually
known as Maria by their non-portuguese friends and in work situations but
usually continue to be known by their middle name by family and friends.
John Vasconcelos*


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Eddie Machado avidedito...@gmail.comwrote:

 It was a death on São Jorge in Norte Grande. That amazes me to have 3 kids
 with the same name.





 On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:32 AM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 If it is a death in Portugal, it means that's how many were living at the
 time of his death.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
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 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] legitimate vs. illegitimate
 From: Eddie Machado avidedito...@gmail.com
 Date: Mon, May 20, 2013 4:31 am
 To: azores@googlegroups.com

 Thanks for the info Doug. This is a case of at least two survived. One
 was born in 1861 then the following two were born 1872  1876. The last two
 were buried together with their wives in CA. I know one went by his middle
 name. Now on their father's death record it said he had 8 kids would that
 include all kids or just living?



 On Monday, May 20, 2013 12:01:19 AM UTC-4, Doug Holmes wrote:

 Hi Eddie,

 Most would tell you that the last Manuel is the only one who survived,
 if any did.
 But there are some unusual cases where two with the same first name did
 survive. I know there was someone recently on this list who mentioned it in
 their family.
 What happens in that case they used different middle and last names.

 As for legitimate or not, when they had not yet married, the child will
 be filho natural and if said to be legitimate, the priest probably just
 didn't pay close attention when he recorded it.
 Usually there will be a notation in the margin that says this child was
 legitimized by the subsequent marriage of his parents and will give you the
 date and location of their marriage.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
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   Original Message 
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] legitimate vs. illegitimate
 From: Eddie Machado avided...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, May 19, 2013 5:11 pm
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com

 Ok so I found a record for my 2x great grandparents having a child April
 1861. They were married a few months later in October of 1861. The child is
 marked as legitimate. I thought because they were not married yet the child
 would be illegitimate. Anyone know why?

 Also as a side note how often did families have kids with the same name.
 In this case it was 3 kids named Manoel.

 Thanks,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BURRA from Lomba, Flores

[John Vasconcelos]

*My father was from Lomba and my research there has been very frustrating
on my paternal grandmother's line. I've only been able to go back 5
generations since all records before the mid 1800's for Lomba are lost. A
cousin who still lives there recalls stories of a church fire.

Doug's find offer's a possible (although unlikely in most cases) way for
Flores researchers to extend their family trees.
*
*John Vasconcelos*


On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 12:28 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Doug,

 I've searched all my Flores resources without finding a Burra record. This
 includes the three Pimentel Gomes books:

  Casais de Flores e Corvo

  Familias da Ilha das Flores Parte 1 Lajes,

  Ilha da Flores -da redescoberta a actualidade

 My dozen different family projects for Flores also drew a blank.

 There is a Berra family originally from Pico that arrived in the mid 1700s
 settled around Lajes and Fazenda, but It doesn't seem a good fit as it's
 Rodrigues Berra in most records

 I think this is the best match below


 From Lajes marriage records:

 António Furtado Borrião [f.º de Domingos Coelho Borrião e de Isabel
 Furtado] c. 1767.02.24 c. Luzia Furtado [f.ª de Manuel Furtado e de
 Maria Rodrigues].


 Eric Edgar




 On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 10:22 AM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 I just found a marriage of a lady named Páscoa who was born in Lomba in
 1787 and then noticed the Lomba records are lost or destroyed for that
 century.
 What stuck me is the name of her father, Manuel Furtado da Burra, a name
 I have never seen before.

 Maybe some of you Flores researchers have Burra ancestry and perhaps a
 Lomba connection.

 I see Burra means a female donkey, so this is certainly an alcunha
 (nickname), I would say.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Azores are a part of Portugal

[John Vasconcelos]

*Just adding to what Cheri pointed out, there always seems to be an
exception to the general' rule. When the saint's first name starts with a
vowel, (ie Antonio, Amaro, etc., the  proper term is Santo I was about to
proclaim the general rule: Sao when the saint's first name starts with a
consonant, Santo when the saint's first name starts with a vowel then I
looked at our Band Schedule which reminded me that we recently played at
the Santo Cristo festa in Chino. I give up! I defer to the language experts
on the  list. Joao?, George?, Doug?, Katharine?
*
*John Vasconcelos*


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Spelling was always one of my strong subjects, so try really hard not to
 let misspellings bother me, but in this case I really need to speak up.

 The Azores are a part of Portugal, not Spain.  The language of the Azores
 and Portugal is Portuguese, not Spanish.

 The word for saint in Portuguese is Sao (properly, it's São).  The word
 for saint in Spanish is San.

 I know there are many areas of the U.S. that touch the Mexican border and
 for those of us in these areas, we may encounter the Spanish language more
 frequently, so we may not even notice the San instead of Sao, since San is
 so familiar to us.  They even have lots of cities named in Spanish after
 saints (San Francisco is one).

 So if you are in the habit of typing San on this list, or are new to
 Portuguese genealogy and didn't realize the difference, please put a
 post-it on your computer that says: Sao Miguel, Sao Jorge, or Sao whatever
 (if that is your freguesia).

 People write me and say, for example, that they remember a post about Sao
 Vicente on Sao Miguel and they can't find it in the archive.  So I search
 the archive by typing in Sao Vicente and Sao Miguel and I can't find it
 either.  Then I have to play around with the San and even sometimes the
 translation into English.

 Please, please, please, stick with the Portuguese spelling!

 P.S.  On Sao Miguel...it's MiGuel...a G in there...not a Q.  That one
 makes the message impossible to find in the archive.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trolling on the Web

[John Vasconcelos]

*Cheryl and Cindy,
*
*We may be connected.** I had two first cousins married to two Sylvia
brothers in the New Bedford/South Dartmouth area. My (half) first cousin
Elsie Vasconcellos was married to Manuel Silvia and her sister Izaura
(Sara) Vasconcellos was married to John Sylvia, Manuel's brother (all now
deceased). Elsie and Manuel had one daughter, Mary Flora, who at last
reports was a grandmother. Elsie and Sara were two of the 9 children of my
Father's half brother Francisco Vitorino Vasconcellos. I haven't had a
contact with that branch of the family in 3 or 4 years, but if you want any
more details, you can email me directly at gfsjohnv at gmail dot com.*


On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Cheryl Lawrence cheryl...@gmail.comwrote:

 I've got Sylvia relatives from Flores that immigrated in the early 1900's
 and put roots down in New Bedford. Maybe we are distant relatives!
 - Cheryl


 On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Cindy D kcci...@aol.com wrote:


 If you have free time, troll the internet for your family names.  Last
 week I stumbled on a smidgeon of information after plugging in my family
 names and the last place I knew they lived.. (Sylvia, New Bedford)  Turned
 out the info to be a distant 3rd cousin in New Bedford.  A couple years ago
 he did the DNA test on a DNA site called 23andme and another Azorean
 ancestor on that site found him.   Turns out, he had almost 5 generations
 of my great-grandma's family history on Flores and many names connected
 that I'd never known that I was connected to.  Makes me dizzy to think
 about.

 Because I have never figured out or understood the way the surnames get
 changed around,  I will spend years double checking the notes.  What a
 brilliant stroke of luck from googling the family name.   I doubt I'd have
 ever come across my 3rd cousin  without the luck factor.

 My DNA Family Finder was received last week, so I guess I'm going to find
 out soon if I connect with anyone else. Oh boy!

 CindyD
 Kansas


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Chat

[John Vasconcelos]

*HI George,
*
*Just a note to explain why I disappeared from the Wednesday chat. I was at
the Artesia band room for our Wednesday evening band rehearsal which starts
at 6:30 pm PT. Thought I would pop to the chat in for a few minutes before
rehearsal started. When I tried to say a few words, the browser froze up
and about that time  the rehearsal started so I left before I could figure
out what was going on. Question: I was logged in on Firefox, not Internet
Explorer. could that have caused the problem?? Cheri was also there since
she plays flute and piccolo in the Artesia Band.  I play Trombone.
*
*Regards,
*
*John Vasconcelos*


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Anglican/Americanized names

[John Vasconcelos]

*Just a trivial point on the Subject Title.  It should be
Anglicized/Americanized. Don't mean to be a nit-picker. Anglican is the
name of a religion.
*
*John Vasconcelos*


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 Paul,

 I wonder if that is just what the person recording the information heard
 her say and interpreted it as Justin.

 Eric Gomes
 Castro Valley, CA



 On Apr 12, 2013, at 7:51 PM, Mary Bordi geneal...@hununu.org wrote:

 My great grandmother's stepmother's first name was Justina. (b 1847, Norte
 Grande, Sao Jorge)




 On Apr 12, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Richard  Francis Pimentel 
 rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote:

 *Not a very common name but I have 1 in my database. Justino Lopes born
 about 1830 in Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel*

 * *

 *Rick*

 * *

 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Spring, TX*

 *Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire *

 * *

 *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
 Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*

 * *

 *From:* azores@googlegroups.com 
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 *On Behalf Of *Paul
 *Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2013 12:36 AM
 *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Anglican/Americanized names

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 My cousin, and member of this group Eric Gomes has copies of death
 certificates of family members. One for our great grandfather is a bit
 curious. It lists his fathers first name as Justin, though we both have it
 as Jacinto. Our great grandmother was the informant and could speak English
 well enough to be understood. Just wondering if Justin could be the
 Anglican/Americanized name of Jacinto?

  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Chat room

[John Vasconcelos]

*Hi George,
*
*It's been a while. Last time I was in SE Mass was, as I recall, in 2008,
on the way back from the Azores.
 I'd like to offer a suggestion that might increase your turnout,
particularly from the West Coast. How about scheduling the chat from 8-11
Est (5 - 8 PST). Some working people on the West Coast, particularly in
large metropolitan areas are not even home by  7pm PST on work days. When
Cheri and I were Chat Room hosts on AOL, we had the reverse problem since
we are both on the west coast.
*
*
Which reminds me of my most interesting time zone related chat room
experiences. In 2002, the Artesia DES Filarmonica (of which both Cheri and
I are members) Traveled to Terceira where we performed over a two week
period in most villages on the island. On one of our regular AOL chat
nights before getting to Terceira, I decided to particpate in the chat. The
place  where I was staying had dialup internet access so about 1 or 2 am,
local (Azores time), I surprised Melody Lassalle (GFS Mel) who was hosting
the AOL Portuguese chat that night. I popped into the AOL chat room and
said something like Greetings from Flores. I think I was as surprised as
Mel was! ( A not so pleasant surprise was that upon check out, I had a long
distance charge of about $30 added to my lodging bill for what was a 3 or 4
minute chat).  Cheri, did I ever mention this to you?
*
*Regards,
*
*John Vasconcelos
*
*aka GFSJohnV.
*


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joseph Caldeira : born 1914, looking for info

[John Vasconcelos]

*Maggie,
I would bet that Greg's family hails from Fajazinha Flores. My 2G
grandfather was Jose de Freitas da Caldeira who was from Fajazinha, Flores.
Caldeira is a part of Fajazinha which is just over the hill from downtown
Fajazinha toward Mosteiro. Caldeira is an alcunha (nickname) that in my
family case refers to an area where the particular person either resided or
possibly owned property. In my case, I have been to that paticular area
with my late maternal side uncle Jose Freitas who pointed out to me the
parcel of land in Caldeira that our family once owned. I would bet that
Greg and i are cousins. Have him contact me.
John Vasconcelos*


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maggie.sut...@charter.net wrote:

 For a good friend, Greg Caldeira:
 Joseph Caldeira was born in Ingomar, California in 1914 and baptism was at
 St. Joseph's in Los Banos - His son, Greg Caldeira, is just starting to
 search his family history and does not know which island the family came
 from.
 He does know this:
 Joseph Caldeira, born 1914 in Ingomar, California -  was born to Joseph
 Freitas  ( Joseph Freitas Caldeira ) who died in 1921 in California and
 Maria A. Soares (Sears). They had one older child bornin 1910.
 They (Joseph and Maria) were probably married in the San Francisco/Contra
 Costa area between 1904 - 1910.

 Any help in finding the island that they came from would be appreciated.
 Thank you,
 Maggie Homen Sutton
 Family from Sao Jorge (Ribeira Seca, Manadas, Calheta)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: ATMs in the Azores

[John Vasconcelos]

*Good point Rick, I have a British Airways Visa Card issued by Chase Bank.
The last time I got a new card, they made the point that it has a chip and
that it is compatible with European ATM's. I haven't done any European
travel since receiving it so I can't comment  on how it works in actual use
there. On the back there is this statement: Your card is issued and
serviced by Chase Bank USA, NA.

Out of curiosity, I just called customer service to find out what
transaction fees might apply. For credit transactions there are no fees.
For cash advances, there is a 5% transaction fee with a $10 minimum.

In previous travel to Portugal, I used my credit union ATM card and don't
recall paying any significant charges, but as I said it's been a few years.
John Vasconcelos.*

On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote:

 *I was reading that credit cards in Europe have smart chips and there may
 be a problem with some machines accepting ours with the magnetic strips.
 Once again I would check with your credit card company.*

 * *

 *Rick*

 * *

 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Spring, TX*

 *Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire *

 * *

 *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
 Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*

 * *

 *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente
 *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:26 PM
 *To:* azores
 *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: ATMs in the Azores

 ** **

 Cheri,

 ** **

 I was recently in Ponta Delgada and they have ATM's at most locations,
 even Gas Stations.  I did not experience in extra fees.  I used my Visa and
 found it cheaper on the exchange than my cash conversion.  Anyone
 travelling abroad should be contacting their respective Card Companies to
 advise where they will be and how long for so they don't freeze their
 account if stores or shops don't handle the transaction it right. 

 ** **

 Cheers,

 ** **

 Margaret Vicente

 ** **

 On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:
 

 Ria,

 They are called Multi Bank Boxes (possibly Multi Banco Caxia? in
 Portuguese).  There's a button to have the screens displayed in
 English.

 As for if you can use your Visa card (or MasterCard for that matter),
 you will have to call the bank that issued your card to find out about
 the out-of-network ATMs and foreign currency fees.  Otherwise, you may
 come home to a big bill!

 Cheri


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Island of my dreams

[John Vasconcelos]

*Our family Attorney when I was growing up in Fresno California was a Lopes
(rhymed with ropes) but I don't recall what Island he was from (probably
Flores). He was, as I recall, a former Supreme President of the UPEC.
John Vasconcelos*

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 Gayle M,
 I only knew he was Cape Verdean.  I don't know how much.  I think someone
 here said half.  Wikipedia gives the pronunciation as rhyming with
 ropes.  Apparently, he's a pretty private guy. Don't see much on his
 personal life by doing a Google search, but I didn't try hard either.  Lots
 on his baseball career.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
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