Change to Eric and turkeys
Dear Eric, Seems as if Lloyds words have caused you to spit the dummy. We are still on the list to discuss what we do. By the way we in Australia dont pay much credence to being a turkey. All we do in Australia with turkeys is to eat them. Regards James - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:23 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics - Original Message - From: Eric Myren To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 1:31 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics The one last thing I wish to say before I unsubscribe from this list is that the school of Spirit I went to as teenager and over the past 19yrs says DO NOT PLAY WITH PLANETARY ENERGIES BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.PEACEERICP.S. Llloyd if any of my words have bothered you maybe their is a reason and maybe you should look to the inside and find out what that reason is :-)Please Eric - read the posts carefully - I write strongly in defence of something that I believe passionately in, have used with careand good intent, and used for the good af all concerned. I put forward a strong defence becausewhat I do has been attacked equally strongly. If I have said some specific thing that offends you I am happy to apologise for that (need to know what it is though). But if you think to make me feel bad by resigning from the list then , no sir, thats a piece of baggage I will not carry, thats your decision alone. I wish you well Lloyd Charles ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Hi Eric, This does not sound like someone who has been to spiritual school for 19 years. James Hedley - Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:30 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Hey Roger the Vortexes are all in your head and if you break the law of gravity you will wind up a babbling insane idiot which you are close to anyway On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 03:25 PM, Roger Pye wrote: Eric Myren wrote: The one last thing I wish to say before I unsubscribe from this list is that the school of Spirit I went to as teenager and over the past 19yrs says DO NOT PLAY WITH PLANETARY ENERGIES BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. PEACE ERIC Well, if we all went along with that notion, we would still be living in caves, beating each other over the head with the femurs of 'wild' animals, and dragging other tribe females off to expand the gene pool! One wonders if Eric has a Vortex in his back garden! roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Unusual arch
Thank you Markess. The images are really amazing. James Hedley Turtle Bend wrote: Is this useful? http://spaceweather.com/ info on sky phen's L*L Markess ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Dornachian reactions?
Dear Lloyd, I agree with you that after 20 years of having input from Alex maybe the farmer in question was so used to being spoon fed that they could not think for themselves. My take on the whole situation is that BD is a great tool for creating soil fertility, however the system as proposed by RS. was only a work in progress. Unfortunately he died before he could finish it. The work will never be finished as a complete integrated system. There is always further work to be done, but the further work cannot be called Biodynamic. What we have now is a farming system based on the teachings and thoughts of Rudolf Steiner. What Steiner taught has as many interpretations as there are anthropops. Each person will accept some of the RS ideas, while rejecting others. I find that there are even many people who espouse to following the teachings of Steiner but who dont use the preps on their gardens eve if they have a garden these days. One way to see the potential of BD is to use it in the vege garden along with compost teas and Cosmo fertiliser. It is the additive inputs that make BD work. You could probably say that it is BD that has the potential to make organics work. To me it is just part of the years work to put the horns down and put out the preps. Dear Hugh Thanks for an interesting note - your mexicanfriend is obviously enjoying his success. I think the major problem with the old guard inAustralia was one of communication (lack of it) , that disenchanted farmerthat I quoted said " Alex wont address the problem", it should havebeenup to the farmer himself to recognise the problem in its early stages and todo something positive about it himself, and after twenty or so years as apracticing, certified, Biodynamic producer he should have been equipped to dothat without needing to call on the services of the master. Striving for certification is part of the problem- there are rewards for organic certified produce - but I think only isolatedopportunities for further premiums (above organic) from Demeterand thenonly for restricted quantities and specific situations. Our newer (Biodynamic Agriculture) organisation has taken a more open and educational position and many farmers are learning to do things for themselves.There will be more mistakes made for sure, but learning always involves mistakes. If the traditionalists manage to take over thatorganisation (and its likely, politics being what it is ) then there areenough of us free thinking loonies on the outside to carry things forwardwhatever happens. I believe that homeopathic remedies and what Iterm low level radionics - field broadcasters, potentiser instruments, (andprobably some of the paper based systems), combined with dowsing andbasic soil remineralising are the way of the future for agriculture. Energyfarming! I sure have met some interesting people in thelast few years! Cheers all Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Graeme, Things never have any value within themselves it is only the value which we as people put on them. James Resonant Info wrote: Unfortunately, none of the responses so far even attempted to answer the question. Are any of you conversant with these other uses of icons. Are they the same or if they are different, how so? Eric M pretty much made the point - whether one is personally sympathetic to Catholic belief or Voodoo surely makes no difference to how it works. Putting things in an unfamiliar light can seem threatening because your own assumptions can be challenged. But it can be really fruitful, it sharpens up your thinking. James H. Of course at some level everything is the same - radionics, birthday cakes, catholic holy cards, conventional agriculture, prayer, etc (just add whatever else comes to mind). Chris Korrow said the same. But things have by then lost any value in themselves, you can't meaningfully talk about separate things - it's all just energy. It is the manifestations that are really of interest - like actual individual people. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Voodoo/Hamilton Willis
Dear Eric, Greetings from the land of the Wizards of Oz, where we don't have a problem as to whether Radionics or BD is voodoo or magic. We just get about our work and do what needs to be done. Voodoo is only another term for magic. It is mostly used by people who don't see the magic which is all around them . Into what category would you put the burial of horns into the soil over the winter. Radionics can more easily be understood from the world of physics and electromagnetism than BD can be understood, without moving into the realm of the occult. The occult is only another word for magic, of which voodoo is only one branch. The acid test is does what you do achieve what you set out to do. If the horn burial works by some sort of transferrence of energy, where do you define radionics which also works from a transferrence of energy. Is there not some mysterious transfer of energy from Rudolf Steiner to the people who follow his teachings some 80 years later? All transfer of energy, or action at a distance, cannot all be voodoo can it? The writer of a post to the list uses some sort of magical effect for another person to do what they want them to do. They want a reply. The magic is in the thought that goes in to the choice of words. People try to describe an object by the terms of reference that they understand, if a person describes something as voodoo it may be because that is the only part of the occult which they know. To those people radionics is voodoo. The use of that term only defines the person who uses it. Keep up the good work . The list has a bit of life into it again. Kind regards james Eric Myren wrote: I really do not see why you are all upset by the use of the word Voodoo to describe radionics. It is mearly a word used by the English language to describe something that they do not understand. Is anyone wondering why Hugh Lovel has been silent on this issue perhaps it is because he would agree that Radionics is like Voodoo. Or so he has been quoted as emailing to me off bdnow. As for the issue of others who have differing opinions of how BD works best or does not, I personally would love to hear opinions other than the ones most commonly expressed here. This should be a forum for open debate of the issues free of a negative light as expressed by those who view BDNOW as their personal stomping ground. PEACE please. Eric ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionic instruments
G'day Lloyd, Peter charged $100 for a 4 card and a two pot potentiser. We were amazed at how cheap it was. James Lloyd Charles wrote: From: "James Hedley" Subject: Re: radionic instruments Recently we sent our Rae Instruments to Peter Ruemkoff to have them rejigged with new magnets and the polarity aligned. Peter really knows the tricks of the trade as an instrument maker. How did this compare cost wise to buying Peter's instrument new? I have a 7card instrument that needs work and there are a few older MR potentisers around Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: water consumption
Hamish, One example of reduction of water requirements on BD land is the case study on Barry Slaters vineyard at Mudgee in 2001. The proposed area for the trial was 25 acres, however because stirring of the 500 and 501 was being done by hand and each grape vine trunk was tree pasted the total area was not done. Rainfall was down by something like 50% with very high rates of transpiration because of the above normal temperatures and constant winds throughout the growing season. The BD treated area had 3 waterings through the season and produced grapes considered to be pretty close to grade A. Grade A is a mythical standard set by viticulturists and wine makers in the area. the yield was above the district average. The untreated area needed something like 30 waterings, and did not produce even a break even crop. The 3 acres not treated was on the frontage to a busy road, where everyone who went past only saw the untreated area. it was quite a surprise to everyone when Barry opened the property to show what he had been doing. Cheryl should be able to tell you more about this as it would probably have been discussed at the Mudgee Grape Growers Group which she was going to be one of the speakers. Maybe she can write a report on what she saw there. The only way that you can balance the equation with water use is inputs / outputs = profits. In this case the trial proved profitable. James hedley Gil Robertson wrote: On irrigated land in temperate Oz, the reduction should be of the order of five sixths to nine tenths. This includes the water holding capacity of the increased soil carbon and the reduction of use by the healthy plants. On otherwise traditional, irrigated, vineyards should only require one to two watering a year, after full conversion to BD. Gil Hamish Mackay wrote: Can anyone give me some hard data on reduction of water requirements on Biodynamic land? would be appreciated aye Hamish Mackay ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Negative ion generator coils.
Dear Liz, I am glad to hear that your University work is going well and that Kerry is obtaining great satisfaction in teaching the Ecological Agriculture course. I differ to you with the effect of the Monaro high plains. It enlivens and revitalises me. Anywhere close to the Snowy River is God's own country. That does not mean that man lives in harmony with the gods in that country. I see that there are three factors operating in that country: 1. Overgrazing, and 2. The diversion of most of the snow melt to the west, and the production of hydro electricity. 3. The granite is mostly positive charge, hard enough on plants at any time, and the effect of this is exacerbated by the flow of positive electrons from the hydro schemes, running through the geopathic stress lines and the electricity transmission wires. One of the trials being conducted at Dalgetty is a coil which I have developed which is able to overcome the geopathic stress effect over very large areas. It is in simple terms a negative ion generator coil, which is very simple to build. The prototype was developed by A. Manning in 1922 to overcome geopathic stress lines (GSL's) around and through houses in Britain and Europe. As you know I have been working on coils to remove GSL's for some time now, none of which have proved to be very effective until I applied Manning's principle to the GSL's. My aim in this small trial is to increase growth and decrease compaction on the TSR compared to the surrounding area, and to increase rainfall over the target areas. Even although the rainfall may be a long call I know that increasing growth of the pasture will be achievable. As for the rabbit breeding trials when you are ready let me know. it is a smart idea on your part to look at proving/disproving the hypothesis that peppers can interfere with the reproductive cycle of rabbits. Good luck James Hedley Hi Roger, James, Lloyd et al You wizards always get me thinking. Firstly the energy of the Manaro plains, do you think the energy is caused from what Lloyd said about overgrazing? I've driven through that country several times and it is very depleted, a draining energy and often barren, yet that is not how it was. I had the pleasure of driving through there with a ranger, whose family had been in the area for 5 generations. How he described the changes were mostly due to grazing. What's the compaction like anyone know? Secondly the peppering, from the little I know the reproductive system should be affected. Now I know that lab. research is not the real thing, but could this not be tested in a controlled environment experiment. If I was to house pairs of rabbits separately, and treat some with a pepper. This sort of experiment could show physical changes, behaviour changes or drop of reproductive rate numbers? Is it worth observing to that degree and further regarding planet influences? It's an area I'd like to work in and wonder if this is where I could put scientific research of BD into action? Or would I be better off pursuing the preps??? I have the honour of having a wise and well published scientist at the uni, who is willing to guide me in whatever I pursue. He says with all that he's done the greatest of these is teaching Ecological Agriculture. Feel as though this is a chance for some sort of research and my heart/head/hands are with BD. Have to admit I'm a bit ahead of myself, but my marks are being maintained for an honours research year, so would like to consider some options. All feedback welcome, thanks. Markess any words of wisdom? LL Liz on 17/6/03 6:42 PM, James Hedley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Lloyd, I agree that there is an energy factor operating at Dalgetty. This energy factor is not just unique to Dalgetty, it is common to all poor country. Unfortunately Roger and I cant let the cat out of the bag yet. One of two things can happen, the work is worthy of a Nobel Prize, or we don't really know enough about what we are doing yet. I know that the concepts which we are working with at Dalgetty have worked elsewhere on small scale trials. However there is a long way to go yet. Regards James Hedley Roger wrote Notwithstanding Lloyd's positive remarks about the Dalgety area, the extended results of lack of rain, overgrazing and invasive weed are very evident in reducing soil quality and growth patterns - and this land is marginal to begin with. It was more a general comment on the area, I'd agree that Dalgety is pretty marginal, its fairly low rainfall and the soils are ordinary. The Monaro used to be lightly stocked but hard times and bad advice from government experts in the 70's led to farmers trying to run numbers that the country was not capable of supporting long term. I remember a farmer from that area (Dalgety side of town) going through court for failure to control rabbits in 1969 or 70, politely told the beak that with a wife and kids to support he
Re: Alex Podolinsky
Greetings to all, Iagree with Hugh about Alex Podolinsky having carried the torch for Biodynamics in Australia for so long. Even growers, that I have met, who have been asked by Alex to leave the organisation never doubt his integrity. The great service that he has done is to test the limits of the BD techniques that were claimed to be the way to farm Biodynamically. Alex Podolinsky oversaw a long term trial that was able to show where the BD system needed to be improved. Alex was not the only person who went down the predominantly BD500 path. When I first joined the Association generally accepted wisdom was that you should not use BD501 in Australia because there was enough light. Not enough was known about the role of Silica in plant production. Mainstream agronomists are now looking at the role of Silica in production of grasses and crops such as Oats, Barley and Wheat. Times change, old opponents to ideas die off and the new generation without a barrow to push just do it. We need to allow an old man to enjoy his moment of glory in the sun, thank him for his dedication and pick up the torch and do the work of the day, not criticise and try to pull apart the work that others have done. James Hedley Hugh Lovel wrote: Hi all Finally have heard word that Alex Podolinsky will be talking at the uni in Orange on the first weekend of August. Unsure of the details but will post these when confirmed. I'd be happy to put questions to him on behalf of others. Keeping in mind what Hamish has written; I can't help but think if not for this man would there be any Biodynamic groups in Australia today? Allan I'll do my best to tape the talk, but you may have to wait to hear it on our website? LL Liz ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Folks? You want to know what I liked, nay, cherished and admired, about Alex Podolinsky? He faithfully answered every letter I ever wrote to him, and I wrote him twice, needing help and guidance but not wanting to be a pest, many long years ago. I had a sense he really cared, whatever else may have been. I will always be thinking to care as well myself, though I find many letters slip through the cracks. Hugh Lovel Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: BD Down under
Dear Merla, If you want to potentise large quantities of spray material you could try fitting as large a drum as you can mount and handle on to a two person children's swing, or conversely you could get Herb to make you a motorised see-saw, with substance on both ends. The problem with potentising large quantities by hand is: The amount of water used, and The labor used. Mechanize the process and you are part of the way down the track, however from my experience even the hand prepared preps and peppers are not anywhere near the potency of radionic substance i.e.: stirred preps on our place might start off at an energy reading of 640, stir them and you might get to somewhere about 1000, or an increase in energy of 50%. potentise the same preps (or substance) to say 3x and the energy has increased to around 10,000. Stirred preps maybe fine on poor soils, but once you start to get high vitality in your soils the BD 500 in some cases can knock the vitality down. the same with all the other preps, it is only by Radionic Analysis that you can tell what is going to happen, before you do it. Or if your soil really needs what you want to put out. A few months ago I wrote of some basalt soils on our farm that had plenty of mineralisation, extremely high paramagnetism, 5% organic matter and a vitality reading of 10% which is about as low as it can get and Brix of 8. Since then I have used Radionic broadcast plus radionic testing of what substances would give the best results, this has increased Brix to 22 and vitality to about 90%. No putting preps out by hand, all soil inputs are broadcast via Polaroid photographs. Part of the secret has been that we have been able to change the soil polarity from positive to negative. There is not any discussion on soil polarity on the list , however it is probably the one single factor that has the most influence on soil fertility. Good luck, James Dear Merla, Just finished a workshop in Traverse City, Michigan. We covered these issues from the easy side. I'd love to show you. But I only got 2 out of 100 that were interested in my presentation at Moscow, November 7, 8 at your Idaho Organic meet. Don't know if I can get there on so slim a shoelace. But, you are right that homeopathy and biodynamics the stir and spray way is much too hard. I'd love to show you radionics. Best, Hugh James, it took us hours and hours to spray our tansy and knapweed D-8 solution six times (two different weeks when the moon was in a fire sign). We came home at midnight twice. I think radionics is the answer for large acreages. I'm still trying to understand how to potentize 4 gallons of D-7 pepper. What do you use to put it in to hang it from a tree and whack the *#!!! out of it? I'm still wondering if I ground the ash correctly and potentized each succession correctly. Whenever I start doing radionics, that's going to be a whole new level of learning what to do on a material level and on a spiritual level. Best, Merla James Hedley wrote: Greetings from the Land of the Wizards of Oz, :-) Earlier this month 6 members of Central West Biodynamic Group had a social prep spraying day at one of our members who had been drastically effected by the drought. We had 2 stirring machines (one 60 gallon and a 90 gallon) and 2 sets of flow forms running into a 400 litter tank, along with the brand new fire tanker which bought the water for the spraying out. As usual there was some problem with at least one pump, nothing much that a few willing hands couldn't fix. The first load of spray headed out at about 3'oclock and continued on until after dark. Back up again before daylight to get the 501 out. In all we got preps out over 200 acres that were sown that weekend as the gods must have heard that the preps were going out and gave us an inch of rain. The property is 1500 acres with around 800 acres under cultivation, so it would have taken all of us at least 4 days to put out the preps only on the cultivation area.The whole exercise gave all of us a n insight into the difficulties of broad acre application of BD preps. Itut the preps out in between stirring and spraying The biggest problem is that the time when the preps go out usually coincides with the time for sowing. In many instances the sowing gets done and the preps wait for a less busy time(if there is one). It is easy to see that there is a future for radionics in broad acre cropping. Our member manages 1500 acres by himself, quite a feat. It is not uncommon in Australian cropping for one man to manage very large areas. Just try sowing down 800 acres in a few days because there is enough rainfall to at least get a germination, even although there is minimal subsoil moisture. One must give full praise to the broad acre farmers who have not even come out of drought yet still expend large amounts of money to put another crop in, full of hope and not much else there for them. For many farmers
Re: Dornachian reactions?
Dear Peter,
It is a shame that Agriculture of tomorrow is not in print now.It would
give the skeptics of Agricultural Homeopathy concrete data, and
photographs which support the use of homeopathy in agriculture.
It is one thing to see the results in a book and another to bring it
into manifestation.
For the last 5 years I have been conducting comparative trials between
radionically prepared preparations, and other substances, and stirred +
radionic preps sprayed out in the same way from a spray tank.
Results to date indicate that physical preps + radionic high potency
preps are the most effective.
Over the last year, with the various things I have trialled, including
changing the polarity of the soil from positive to negative, the brix of
our pastures has increased from 8 to 22 which I would not have believed
was possible.
If anyone doubts the efficacy of radionics combined with BD they need to
see our trial patches.
I hope that you all enjoy Hugh's tour to NZ as his ideas on atmospheric
regeneration is worth listening to. The devil is in how you do it. More
after the tour.
James Hedley
In N.Z. it is not a great deal different to Europe. There are quite a number
using the preparations in various forms and using other certifications. one
should remember that Steiner's instructions were to farm homoeopathicaly.
This instruction was given to the Koliskos who were attending the lectures
for medical practitioners and pharmacists. They were being instructed in the
use of decimal homoeopathy. During the agricultural lectures they were
commended for their work and after the lectures asked to continue with their
research. Steiner did not want the agricultural lectures made public, only
the work of those who brought it to physical manifestation. We should be
going through the process of trial and peer review, just like other
scientific disciplins. This crisis in Europe may be to help some people to
wake up to what Steiner's intentions really were.
Yes sleep is much more comfortable So leagal action may be needed to
cause a little more discomfort
regards,
Peter.
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A lot of European bdgrowers use the Demeter-symbol and get a higher price
for their products than for ordinary organic products. Part of the
requirements for using the Demeter-symbol is the ('traditional') use of
the
preps, not radionically applied but physically stirring and spraying.
Manfred Klett (the head of the agricultural section in the
Goetheanum-Dornach) suggests '... in the meantime we have to feel free to
act illegally...'
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Re: Can error be turned to advantage?
Dear Gil, The pepper is made from a secret formula consisting of a rabbit burnt out of conventional burning time and a Bruce Copen rate. It works very well. James Gil Robertson wrote: Hi! Roger, Re: the rabbit bit. Have you made a Rae Card or a pepper for the beastie? I have tried all the Rates used in the UK, but with no joy in Oz. The rabbit looks to be the same, but I have not managed to send them to the neighbors. Gil Roger Pye wrote: The council regard it as being the worst for rabbits and serrated tussock in the shire. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Can error be turned to advantage?
Hi Gil, Not much point taking on the easy jobs. If we can get some success in rabbit control, heaven only knows what we can do. Regards James Hedley Hi! Roger, Re: the rabbit bit. Have you made a Rae Card or a pepper for the beastie? I have tried all the Rates used in the UK, but with no joy in Oz. The rabbit looks to be the same, but I have not managed to send them to the neighbors. Gil Roger Pye wrote: The council regard it as being the worst for rabbits and serrated tussock in the shire. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Can error be turned to advantage?
Dear Glen, The how of what Roger and I propose to do with the rabbits at Dalgetty is proprietary information, much the same as your bird scare product. Regards James Hedley Rodger How are you changing the energy of the farm to cut down bredding rates? Is this being achieve without peppering Glen A ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Rabbit control
Dear Lloyd, Spot on as usual. However I have only one comment to make. No one really knows what the results of our trials on rabbits are likely to do over a large area. The initial work was only conducted over a small area. Results indicated that it was worthwhile conducting further trials. As for the point about breeding patterns being disrupted that is what I suspect will happen. When we know for sure what is happening then we will be able to confirm that is what happens. The initial ideas was only to stop rabbits from eating trees planted by Greening Australia.Unfortunately that trial never got off the ground, but what I did learn from it was that there was an energetic difference between the areas where rabbits choose to live, and where they dont. Change the energy of the area and hopefully you will change the critters that choose to live there. It should also change the types of herbage that grows. Should even control the serrated tussock , if the theory and trials are correct. Let's just see what we can do over a small area of 500 odd acresof some of the worst country on the monaro. Regards James Hi Roger Yes. In terms of mammals I have an innate dislike of peppering for several reasons, not least of which is that it does nothing about the actual problem, just moves it on to someone else's shoulders. There's a multitude of ways to skin the cat of course but I think that your argument against peppering is a little simplistic here. It asssumes that the critters will just breed on regardless of the changed conditions, and while it often looks that way, thats not what happens in nature. When Rudolph Steiner wrote of peppering there was quite a lot of emphasis on the effect on the reproductive ability of the target. OK, when we get an instant result we are probably just scrambling them up so they go somewhere else and initially there may be an increase in pressure at somewhere else , but after moving house I dont think those new critters will become a part of the effective breeding population for quite a while, if ever!. I believe over time the overall population will reduce because of peppering and the only way that the neighbor will be affected long term is if he already had favourable conditions in place for an increase of population - which case it was going to happen anyway. Nothing wrong with your method of course, but the other 95% of us need to figure out something that will work for us. Anyway how different are we? Its all about the energy! I can't do it on my own but with the aid of a field broadcaster anyone can implement beneficial changes to the energies of their farm. Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Can error be turned to advantage?
Dear Lloyd, I agree that there is an energy factor operating at Dalgetty. This energy factor is not just unique to Dalgetty, it is common to all poor country. Unfortunately Roger and I cant let the cat out of the bag yet. One of two things can happen, the work is worthy of a Nobel Prize, or we don't really know enough about what we are doing yet. I know that the concepts which we are working with at Dalgetty have worked elsewhere on small scale trials. However there is a long way to go yet. Regards James Hedley Roger wrote Notwithstanding Lloyd's positive remarks about the Dalgety area, the extended results of lack of rain, overgrazing and invasive weed are very evident in reducing soil quality and growth patterns - and this land is marginal to begin with. It was more a general comment on the area, I'd agree that Dalgety is pretty marginal, its fairly low rainfall and the soils are ordinary. The Monaro used to be lightly stocked but hard times and bad advice from government experts in the 70's led to farmers trying to run numbers that the country was not capable of supporting long term. I remember a farmer from that area (Dalgety side of town) going through court for failure to control rabbits in 1969 or 70, politely told the beak that with a wife and kids to support he was catching 200 pair a night and had no intention of eliminating his only useful source of income until wool prices improved. I dont know what it was but in a short time up there I met a lot of good people - they seemed to have a depth of character - maybe tough times do that ? But I think there is an energy factor in that whole area that you dont see in other places. Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Can error be turned to advantage?
Hi Roger, Seems as if we have a good discussion going among the Wizards of the Land of Oz. Surely there must be some 0f our American subscribers who have experience in this subject that they can bring to bear on the subject of changing polarities in soils to affect changes. It certainly is a fascinating subject soil polarities and geopathic stress areas. James Garuda wrote: How are you changing the energy of the farm to cut down bredding rates? Is this being achieve without peppering Yes. In terms of mammals I have an innate dislike of peppering for several reasons, not least of which is that it does nothing about the actual problem, just moves it on to someone else's shoulders. In my experience the energy of a place can be changed in a number of ways, sometimes simply, sometimes esoterically. Simplistically, I suppose I could say that whenever a plant is put in the ground it has the potential to change the energy, or change the manner in which inherent energy works, one way or another. For now I'll keep it simple. A few days ago I referred to the double spiral (vortex) in your 'Spiral Astrology' on your website. Think about that image for a moment. Walk anywhere there are trees and I guarantee you will find one or more that have twisted bark or branches that splay out in an unnatural circular manner. I'm sure you know the sort of thing I mean. Usually the cause is a pure energy vortex (in many cases a double vortex) which has positive polarity. That means the energy swirls clockwise and goes down into the ground. The energy itself is cooled and is being 'pulled' into the vortex from distances that depend on its size, and in the process that twists trees and shrubs (harming or killing them over long periods of time) and anything else which happens to be in the way, and is generally harmful for the soil making things harder to grow. There are also negative polarity vortexes (vortices) which do the opposite - that is, they swirl counterclockwise bringing warm air up from an underground source (often an underground stream or lake). Vortexes (vortices) can be reversed but not everyone can do it. Micro-climates can be created in hostile climatic conditions using negative vortexes. If you look on the soil as a living organism (which it is) with a capacity to determine its own needs and work on fulfilling them (which it does) then it becomes fairly evident that rabbits and other 'pests' including weeds are 'grown' for a purpose. (However, it takes a huge attitudinal shift to accept that soils can 'think' for themselves.) The problem, then, is not the creature or plant itself but over-population and that is all we should be seeking to control.. We can do that with a mix of energy changes and spiritual guidance. I appreciate the difficulty or impossibility of developing a product which incorporates such things but in fact we already have the means - about 5% of the population have the necessary ability. One need not be on-the-spot either, it can be done from a distance. Roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
BD Down under
Greetings from the Land of the Wizards of Oz, :-) Earlier this month 6 members of Central West Biodynamic Group had a social prep spraying day at one of our members who had been drastically effected by the drought. We had 2 stirring machines (one 60 gallon and a 90 gallon) and 2 sets of flow forms running into a 400 litter tank, along with the brand new fire tanker which bought the water for the spraying out. As usual there was some problem with at least one pump, nothing much that a few willing hands couldn't fix. The first load of spray headed out at about 3'oclock and continued on until after dark. Back up again before daylight to get the 501 out. In all we got preps out over 200 acres that were sown that weekend as the gods must have heard that the preps were going out and gave us an inch of rain. The property is 1500 acres with around 800 acres under cultivation, so it would have taken all of us at least 4 days to put out the preps only on the cultivation area.The whole exercise gave all of us a n insight into the difficulties of broad acre application of BD preps. Itut the preps out in between stirring and spraying The biggest problem is that the time when the preps go out usually coincides with the time for sowing. In many instances the sowing gets done and the preps wait for a less busy time(if there is one). It is easy to see that there is a future for radionics in broad acre cropping. Our member manages 1500 acres by himself, quite a feat. It is not uncommon in Australian cropping for one man to manage very large areas. Just try sowing down 800 acres in a few days because there is enough rainfall to at least get a germination, even although there is minimal subsoil moisture. One must give full praise to the broad acre farmers who have not even come out of drought yet still expend large amounts of money to put another crop in, full of hope and not much else there for them. For many farmers it will be very tough, if they can hang on, if there is no crop this year. Something like 95% of NSW is still drought affected, although fortunately our property has had 22 inches of rain since March. We had really good mileage from Hugh Lovel's Workshop at Albury, however I have found that Radionic broadcast of sea water and the use of Radionic color therapy on the atmosphere has enabled the rain to move in a further 30 km from the east. More on the results of sea water broadcast in another post. Regards James Hedley ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Can error be turned to advantage?
Dear Lloyd, Even although it appears from the purist philosophical base of dyed in the wool BD farmers, that there has been a catastrophy from the use of Superphosphate in the comparative trials of the TSR at Dalgetty I feel that what has happened opens the scope of the trials. It must be remembered that this is a long term trial. It is not just what happens in the first year. There is ample documentation (I hope) and photographsof the area at different stages. There is also abuot 50 soil samples from different areas of the block which were taken at the commencement of the trial What is important, in the light of the problems in the EUof using animal sheaves, is that the radionic preps have performed equal to if not better than the conventionallly sprayed and stirred BD preps. During a visit to the trial just prior to the pasture sowing it was commented by Project Coordinator that she observed noticeable differences between the different trials. It was quite obvious that the BD had outperformed the other trials and that there was a marked difference between conventional v BD. My opinion is that Superphosphate or rock phosphate would be beneficial to the land. When the protocols for the trial were being discussed I mentioned that it would be interesting to have a small test strip to test the effects of different additions such as Phosphorus, Zinc or/and Copper. This will probably be done in the second year. A further 550 acre trial is being conducted at Dalgetty on a property which is generally considered to be the worst on the Monaro. other trials that are programmed for this summer are: Aerial spraying of 25000 litres of radionically potentised pig pepper in the New England grazing country: and Aerial spraying of radionically prepared St Johns Wort pepper to further test the use of weed peppers. This will be sprayed in strips so we should be able to observe what happens. Weed peppers lend themselves to broadacre spraying because they are species specific and non toxic to stock. We certainly live in interesting times in Australia these days. James Hedley Lloyd Charles wrote: Hi Roger Boy is this feller a goose ! You have three paddocks ? The BD area is 20 hectares , compost 10 ha and conventional 10 ha - so he "inadvertantly" applies not only twice the amount to twice the area , he puts it on the wrong patch as well - hope nobody paid him for the days work! Yeah! I know you said sane and constructive but these accidents just seem to keep happening. Sane and Constructive According to what he wrote in his lectures Alex Podolinsky was quite prepared to allow small dressings of single superphosphate to kick start run down soils going into BD, only on a one off basis, He said we might need to provide a soluble feed for the first season (my wording) then rock phosphate would take over as the microbial life got into gear, P A Yeomans - probably Australias greatest soil man - also used small quantities of super and lime in similar fashion once only to get things going, this guy turned some horrid shale and slate country into wonderful pasture. OK these guys were using less than you have had spread but there's no choice about that. Along with the cadmium, lead, and mercury, you do get some nice sulphur and a little available calcium coming in with the phosphorus, all of which would probably show low on a soil test there?. Hopefully you have plenty of photos and a written report on the status of the plots up until the accident? some points 1. make sure that the conventional treatment definitely got at least an equivalent dose of super so that the comparison is still valid between BD and it 2 . Ban the perpetrator from the site before he causes any more havoc. 3. try to do some soil and tissue tests to show the difference in availability of nutrients between the two systems - you might be pleasantly surprised. 4. If Glyphosphate is used on the conventional area try to leave a small untreated test, and compare microbial indicators, tendency to crust, extra drying of the soil surface. And if there is a reasonable amount of green material sprayed and incorporated at seeding look very closely for reduced germination and emergence where the greenery was thickest I guarantee you will be unpleasantly surprised on all counts (or some of the farmers will be anyway). Cant think of anything else at the moment - its a shame and potentially a waste of money and time but no going back so you may as well get something from it. Cheers Lloyd Charles 1 ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: healthstudies
Dear Liz, At one stage on the top of our mountain the potato growers would spray each other with DDT and 245T to cool down when they were spraying. The official advice that was given at the time by government agencies and educators was that there was no problem with chemicals. All of them died at an early age with cancer. Reg Kidd who does the Chemical Users Course would be able to start you off on the right path. Reg tells a story of spray drift of herbicide that ran from a cherry orchard at Molong right through to Canobolas [50 km] causing havoc to everything in it's path. Eventually it killed many apple trees on Canobolas. Workcover Authority also could help. Kind regards James. - Original Message - From: Liz Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 6:17 AM Subject: Re: healthstudies This is an area that has intrigued me since I started study. Majority of the alternative farmers we met last year on tours switched due to health reasons. Stories of passing out after using round up, in bed for days due to close proximity of seeds and whatever pesticides were on them. In a way this surprised me, not that people were having health problems, but that the majority had taken ill to finally make a change. Meeting more farmers now who are wanting to do the right thing and live the lifestyle they believe in. Thanks for bringing this up, it's got me thinking I will learn more about the poisons used in this area and try to put together a survey and see what comes up. LL Liz on 3/4/03 9:06 PM, Peter Michael Bacchus at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do know that there are quite a number of farmers who change to an organic / biological system of farming for health reasons and have been to treat a farmer who was being poisened by the roof water that contained agrichemical sprays. The neighbour was a realy generous chap who liked to share the aerosol part of the spray generously with all his down wind neibours. Even the cloths in the wardrobe stunk of it. I don't know of a university study on this subject. Best wishes, Peter. - Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:16 PM Subject: healthstudies Does anyone know of any health studies done on chemical farmers? If the negative effects of all the toxic sprays were to show up in one segment of the population it would be them. Not to mention the fact that they would also be inhaling all that genetically engineered pollen. I did hear one stat that serious prostate cancer was 50 times higher in chemical farmers
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
Dear Steve, I don't know if I have missed something, but what would you perceive as the essential difference between broadcasting from an egg filled with compost teas and preps etc, compared to a Hugh Lovel field broadcaster or using a radionic instrument such as a Bruce Copen, Don Mattioda, Rae or Kelly? The great advantage of radionic instruments is in the realm of analysis. There is no comparable method for making comparisons between different strategies before you use them. Many times I have found that the use of a particular BD preparation would actually decrease soil vitality. How do you work out whether homoeopathically potentised sea water will be a better ionising agent to induce cleaning up of the ether than BD preps. It is obvious that you see merit in being able to broadcast without actually having to cover the ground. So at least we are all on common ground with that one. The next question is how to measure the effectiveness of the broadcast. the only reliable and cheap method is to use the most sensitive of all instruments, the human body. This sensitivity of the human body is the basis of Radionics and Dowsing. You are obviously using the sensitivity of your antennae system to be able to declare unequivocally that the range of your broadcast mechanism is exactly 12000 feet. Is this an arbitrary estimation or do you have an internal measurement system that is able to measure exactly 12000 ft? When I set out to define the edge of a broadcast field it is only possible for me to roughly guess what the distance is, or to use my pendulum to find the distance. The most common question which beginners will ask about BD is 'how do I know if it is working'. How do I know what preps to use and when without having to rely on a cook book solution from whoever is in as the Guru of the day. Radionics and Dowsing can tell you this. They are tools which can enable a person to find what is happening in the natural realm of subtle energies, and it is in the realm of subtle energies that we must delve to be able to judge radionics. Man does not make the energies that are used in radionics, as he does not make the energies that he detects or utilises with his antennae system. They are already there and mankind uses them or focuses them towards what he desires. You do not create the mechanism for electro magnetic wave propagation which is being used to broadcast the energies from your amphora, you are only using the phenomena to be able to focus energy and transmit it where needed. I perceive from previous posts a difficulty in reconciling your world view of substances as being either alive, or not alive. My world view is that everything is alive therefore I can't see such a dynamic system as homoeopathy as producing dead substance. The favoured method in Australia is to use Electronic Homeopathy to prepare reagents for radionic transmission. The only debate that I can see with the use of radionics is 'what are the force fields being created from our instruments and are they having the effect that we desire? That is the subject for another post. The use of homeopathic preparations has been discussed many times so I do not need to elaborate further except that RS obviously saw that there could be benefit in this method. Kolisko's research also confirmed this view. To compare research methods, results and observations of broadcast mechanisms without the angst which at times is passed off as discussion will open up a whole new line of discussion. Just for the record we are now into our fifth year of using BD preps, both hand stirred and radionically prepared and sprayed out. Radionic broadcast by various means has also been used. On the criteria of having put the preps out for more than 2 years I am able to discuss the subject from any angle because I have done it. Kind regards James Hedley - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils In a message dated 3/31/03 11:02:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Heck I'm not trying to convert you guys to radionics you have no need of it - just see our side of the story - and try to appreciate why we (or some of us) are so interested in these other ways of doing things. Cheers Lloyd Charles What about an egg shaped urn buried in the earth, the one I have has a 12,000 foot influence on the farm and surrounding area. I fill it with teas of 500, bc, 501 508, nettles, etc...sstorch
Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose?
Dear Lloyd and everybody, I suppose that dirty tactics is one way of living in the world. Just because that method of doing business is favoured by some does not mean that every one must follow it to succeed. I still don't understand how we can keep our heads down and not say anything to anybody about what we do. If there was no advertising in any way associated with an Arden Anderson or a Gary Zimmer tour how does the word get around. These tours are successful because people have worked out how to create events. Do you think that the recent tour by Hugh would have been successful without the inspiration and support of everyone who worked very hard to put the tour together? I suppose that it all depends what skills each person has in their bag of tricks and how much passion they are prepared to expend to try to get something to happen. On our refrigerator we have a little frig magnet that says that 'A life lived without passion is a life half lived'. I am passionate about what I do, for me it is my 'raison d'etre'. You also are passionate about what you do about your farming and trying to find better ways to overcome problems. One of the problems is that we have chosen to work on and with the land, it defines our philosophical viewpoints. To this extent we may tend to not be as entrepreneurial as a businessman who could take any one of our ideas and methods and make a business out of them. To get past the one man band, (if we should want to), requires the input of many different skills. It is my passion which is leading me along the path of seeing if I have entrepreneurial skills as well as problem solving skills. How is the crop planting going at Narrandera? Kind regards James Hedley. - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 8:15 AM Subject: Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose? Dear James, et. al., . Both are studying their asses off learning all they can as fast as they can. It won't be that much longer and they won't need me any more. It gives me a good feeling. I'll admit I'm not comfortable with the idea of going head to head in the marketplace with the chemical ag boys. They've got hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars worth of muscle to lean on us with, and we are still in the pusilanimous thousands and tens of thousands. So I think we'd better keep our heads down a bit longer and not get them to take us seriously. Dear Hugh - James I have a friend who was a farmer until two years ago when he sold out to go a new direction selling foliar fertiliser. He and I and a couple of other guys started out several years ago using this hotmix trace element foliar and seed treatment brew - I was the first in this area and encouraged the others based on results I'd seen. It was a good first step away from conventional thinking and the company behind it is using Albrecht logic in their approach to fertilising and they are getting good results. Recently these guys have moved into viticulture and have managed to snare a couple of the big names in our area simply by getting better quality grapes - and boy has that annoyed the conventional agronomy people - my mate has had these company guys following him - waiting a couple of hours after he leaves the client farm then going in to badmouth all the information he gave the farmer. One company has devised a contract that they have fooled some farmers into signing - a combination of cheap finance for purchases and low fees for crop monitoring with a sneaky little clause that says that the farmer agrees not to use anything not recommended and sold by that company - my mate has hardly started but he's made the opposition mad as hell already - you can bet they will have a lot of dirty tricks left yet - up to and including direct sabotage of some of his clients crops if thats what it takes. He could not possibly have done them serious damage yet but they see a clear threat and are acting accordingly, this is only LOCAL sales companies yet - not the big boys! I think Hugh is entirely correct to say keep our heads down and not make them take us seriously - there are a lot of receptive people out there - anybody doing cell grazing is a prospect - farmers are turning up in droves to eco farmer seminars, phil wheeler , arden andersen, gary zimmer, we could probably do a repeat of Hugh's tour next year and get the same sort of attendance as recently - they're out there, some of em are ready and some not. Cheers all, Lloyd Charles
Has the world stopped or what is happening really?
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Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose?
Dear Hugh and List members, That there are any people who buy radionic instruments and don't use them for whatever reason is a real shame. Even the most basic radionic instrument can make such dramatic changes in the health of people, animals and plants. From my observations it takes a quantum leap in faith to even go from Dowsing to the most simple radionics. You virtually have to hold them by the hand and mentor them through the whole implementation process. I have a client who has embraced radionics completely in his piggery, and is probably one of the few in the pig industry at the moment who is making a profit. Around him live a group of people who like to think of themselves as trendy and New Age. They consider my client weird because he dowses, uses pyramid broadcasters and radionics. But even he wont take his ideas to other pig producers around the place because of peer criticism. He doesn't do what they do. Yet by whatever criteria you would view this farm it is impressive. The carrying capacity is always 2 to 3 times the surrounding country. The fences are all new, with a long new gravel driveway. His wife had to go out to work in the nearby town to help keep the farm going, now there is enough money for hert to stay home and help around the farm. So more gets done easier with an extra pair of hands.There are no problems with parasites or blowflies in the sheep. All stock are treated for worms and parasites from the shearing shed by using radionic broadcast. The serrated tussock that plagues all of the surrounding hills are gradually coming under control, without using noxious chemicals. He doesn't have to buy chemicals,vaccines or fertilisers. When you drive along the ridge road you can see where his place is because it is green all over. All surrounding farms were dust bowls, yet when shown how he does it they say 'I wouldn't do that. It is too weird'. Rationalism is not going to get someone to consider radionics. It is emotion that sells products. Emotions like pride or having the best farm in the district. The whole angle of sustainability in farming brings out a whole new group of emotions. How about making the farm a more safe working environment. What about the health of wife and kids. Farmers know now the effects of the chemicals that they use. The market for radionics is within the top 3% of primary producers. Out of that 3% it is those that are the most innovative and are prepared to try out new ideas who need to be targeted. Having said that the problem then becomes how do we get to those people. Promoting and marketing Agricultural Radionics is really no different to marketing anything else. The person who understands radionics is usually not the same person who can go out and market it. Radionics is like any other product, you have to get your marketing right. The market for radionics is only partially in the organic / BD network. Mainstream farmers are the group to target. If we don't target mainstream farmers we marginalise ourselves to being a small companies in a fringe industry. As radionic practitioners we need to show that our products work and back that up by constant research and being up front and being seen by the people who could use our expertise. Radionics companies of the future will have a whole catalogue of instruments, field broadcasters and techniques suitable for any job, with practitioners skilled in their use, backed up by a solid marketing arm. In other words we will compete for a share of the market like anyone else has to. It is a long way from starting with a good idea to making it an accepted method.Not many people had heard of the internet a few years ago yet it has spawned a whole industry based on innovation. Unless we are innovative and market to the customers needs there never will be a future for radionics. Just a few ideas to start the ball rolling. James Hedley - Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 2:40 AM Subject: Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose? Dear James, Your words do not fall on deaf ears. I'd agree that John Pannan would be very concerned about people buying instruments from him and then not using them. He ought to be part of this discussion I think, So I want to forward this letter of yours and some of the other stuff to him. One in ten was a figure I pulled out of the air and Gil gave me some assent that he thought people got instruments and then found themselves at a loss to properly use them. I've read Gil's explanation, and for the most part I'd agree, particularly about the accuracy of dowsing and the degree of self-mastery accurate dowsing implies. I don't know of any way one can learn this easily. Some are already that far along in mastering self that their dowsing is quite accurate. Some, like my colleague, Lorraine, are constantly refining and focusing their intent
Re: Strange Journey
Dear Roger, The experiences that come from living at the apex of the core of a volcano at some times can be quite difficult to get a handle on. Extremely high energy areas are not necessarily the easiest places to live. When I was in India last time my guru Maheshananda pointed out that no one can live on the top of any mountain forever, you have to come down from the rarefied atmosphere. To live in the mists and share our lives with all of the sentient beings who make the mountain and it's forests their home maybe gives us a perspective on the world which could not be gained from urban living. The mountain is a great place for healing and gaining new insights. I don't think that anyone who comes here leaves unmarked in some way.What happens on the mountain seems to bear no reality to what happens in the real world. I look forward to seeing you at the next workshop on the 12th of April. Kind regards James - Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: Strange Journey 21 March 2003 Last weekend I stood on a hillside, part of a mountain which erupted from the earth perhaps during the last Iceage, perhaps millions of years earlier, certainly the rocks of that region have been estimated at being 400 million years old. The slope itself, its thin skin of soil hiding the red basalt 'pipe' within through which flow the nutrients and energy that support trees covering most of the hill, is a legacy of that volcanic period when fire and lava spewed forth from the earth. On the face of it the hillside was serene. Morning mists following a night which had begun with a thunderstorm raging in the north, much of its violent noise shielded by the ridge across the valley, continued with rain and wind storms, ended in peace with the sunrise and the cool air rolling upwards. My body's 'antennae' and my experiences during the two nights I had slept in the cabin on the hillside told a different story, one of the twisting and writhings of rocks tortured and torn asunder by immense heat and pressure, so much so that the energies generated those ages ago were still flowing beneath my feet. And beneath the cabin. From a direction a little to the west of north, from a far, far distance, an underground energy beam about three metres (ten feet) wide and comprising five equally separated energy flows, passes 'over' the ridge, down the opposite hillside, across the valley, up the slope on which I stood, continuing on for . . ever? The existence of the energies is obviously noticeable only by the occasional twisted tree along their route - and by any clairsentient visitor whose bed in the cabin lies over the beam. As mine did. The first night it was very quiet, I was hot even though the night was cool, all atremble and barely slept at all, what sleep I did manage was punctuated by the wierdest dreams. My reason for being there was to attend a dowsing workshop held during the intervening day and the energy beam (which I already suspected) was detected during one session. So this night just past I had taken precautions by borrowing two 'cheops-style' pyramids from my host, placing them on the downslope cabin verandah at the edges of the beam, and visualising a bar of white light joining them. It was about 10.30 pm when I went to bed. I was very tired from the workshop and the 'energetic' night preceding it, also apprehensive about what might happen during the night. If anything. It did, and it didn't. The night before my body had become overly warm and begun vibrating within a quarter of an hour, and I had twisted and turned both in and out of sleep all night. None of this happened. Instead after a short while there was noise, a continuous undulating hum as of traffic on a nearby freeway or a swarm of bees leaving the hive. The nearest highway is many kilometres distant, there are no bees, the noise stopped when I got up to go to the toilet and re-commenced when I was back in bed. There was plenty of time to think about it all, however. In my estimation at least 12 hours passed by sunrise (about 6.00 am), half of them in refreshing dreamless sleep, the remainder awake - but most elsewhere than the cabin; a cave and a different, much earlier, me. So. The energies were still there as they had been for years beyond the counting but the conjoined pyramids had elevated their frequency to an audible level that wasn't bothersome to me. As well, I had learned things and travelled (not far, but that is another story). Roger Earth Healing, Energy Water Dowsing, Reiki Practitioner %% May I have given you seeds that you can turn into roots that will bear fruit in the future. (Rudolf Steiner) %% http://earth-careonline.com
Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose?
Dear Lloyd, Hugh, Gil and everybody, I query the arbitrary figure of 10:1 of unused radionic instruments. That may be so with some people who have graduated through several instruments, however I don't agree that as a general rule this would be correct. I am sure that John Pannan would be horrified if you told him that only 1 in 10 radionic instruments that were sold by him were not used If this assumption is the basis of you running a series of workshops in Australia I suspect that you may wind up with egg on the face because the market has been wrongly read. Maybe a survey from a complete mail out from BACA database would confirm whether the figures are correct. My estimate is that the figure may be closer to 1 to 2% based on attendances at workshops where someone has asked how to use a certain radionic instrument which they are having trouble using. Most people graduate from dowsing to radionics and I don't see that too many people would buy a radionic instrument just on spec. They mostly attend a workshop where they are introduced to the concept of radionics, go home and think about it and then maybe buy an instrument. My guess is that those who attended the last series of workshops are the basis of the next series of workshops. The secret of the next workshops is going to be what would those who attended want to learn that would induce them to attend another series? Lloyd has intimated that he would be prepared to host a regional dowsing workshop somewhere in his area, I already run dowsing and radionic workshops which if anyone is interested in attending contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] to discuss it. Kind regards James - Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose? Dear Lloyd, I know I'm a bit slow responding, but I DO really want to do this. I've bounced this off both Gil Robertson and Phil Wheeler and they both estimate there must be somewhere 10 radionic instruments in people's closets in Australia for every one that is in use. That is a serious shortcoming looking for a solution. I'd like to see all those instruments put to use, and how do we get there? David von Pein and Des Whatley want me up in Queensland in August after the IQOC (Inaugeral Queensland Organic Conference) which I am committed to as a speaker. I don't have their e-mail addresses, though you may have. Cheryl is saying something about the annual meeting of the BD Association down in NSW (perhaps in Albury) somewhere during that time period from mid July to mid August. I'd like to coordinate dates with her, though I realize she will have her hands full with that gala event. Best, Hugh Hugh wrote Right now Im faced with a conumdrum. At Albury folks were presented with a procedure in its full-blown oiperation using both card instruments and dial instruments. They saw the treatments get set up and turned on and maybe they saw when they were turned off That's the shape those who attended Aulbury and the other workshops are presently in. They saw the operation, but now they need a couple of days real hands on with coaching to be able to go home and do this work. And there's several stages where they need coaching. Probably the dowsing is the most critical as almost anyone can turn a dial and select a card or remedy. The dowsing, of course, will take time to build up confidence and accuracy. But a lot of them need to get some real hands-on practice with a coach first. That's the need--to give some real hands-on coaching, practical stuff where everyone brings an instrument and we pair off and practice. I'll see what I can do about coming up with a set of exercises. Lorraine Cahill, who works with me here at UAI, would be good at this. It doesn't matter too much what kind of instrument, we can work with it. Dear Hugh Maybe we could get some local groups going with this. If Lorraine could work up a set of excercises so we're all going in the same direction, we should be able to yard up some coaches to take groups of say twenty and just work on the dowsing side - its mainly a practice and confidence thing - questioning technique is a problem for a lot of people too. I feel confident enough with my pendulum to take a group and I'm sure we could find others to do so in the other regions but I think this needs some direction. When you come out in July/August how much time will you have available for possibly running smaller regional workshops? Cheers Lloyd Charles Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
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me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will be pleased to discuss it with you. Hugh's techniques cannot be blamed for it not raining in Albury. There is a structural energy problem there. The same problem applies to Colorado and many areas around the world. After the Toowoomba workshop coastal areas had 18 inches in the next week. Coffs Harbour resulted in heavy rain and now above average rainfall. After returning from Albury and using the broadcasting of potentised sea water 12 inches of rain mostly in the area being broadcast to. Areas off the map have had 3 or 4 inches. To successfully treat the atmosphere it is necessary to generate negative ions to overcome the effect of the positive ions. other trials have indicated that if you change the polarity of the soil that the suite of weeds will change and insects will move out. This is a subject for another post as it is after midnight now. James Hedley Radiasesthesia and Radionic Analysis Radionic Insect and Parasite control Bioethical Agriculture Consultant - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose? - Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:12 AM Subject: Austr. Workshop/ What was the purpose? Dear Hugh, Tobias is correct about the rain around Albury, we had good rain at our farm (almost five inches) and there has been from two inches up to ten or so as you travel north from us into SE queensland, most of the eastern side of the wheat belt and into the tablelands had useful to good falls and most of the coastal strip from Victorian border to well up into queensland. The inland areas - western NSW and Queensland missed out and that is a large area of country - we had a not so subtle reminder of it yesterday - 40+ mph NW winds carrying red dust all day when the wind eased and turned south west last night we got visibility reduced to about 80 yards and quite a bit of fallout. The rain petered out as you got closer to Albury - most farmers around there are probably not all that happy. However there are a few things to consider. 1. There is several million acres of the alpine country and surrounding forest areas burnt to a cinder - mostly in an arc around the east and south east of Albury, probably the most damaging wild fires we have had since white settlement. 2. much of this damage is within the catchment of the hume dam and a lot of the rest is catchment for the snowy mountains hydro scheme 3. If the Albury area and east into the mountains had recieved the same amount and like manner of rain that we got on our farm, it would have been a disaster of mammoth proportions , the Hume dam would now be half full of ash, mud and the remains of dead things, damage to infrastructure in the high country would be a huge mess - what that country most desperately needs is several light gentle falls of rain to germinate some ground cover and stabilise the soil before any major rainfall rips it to shreds. 4. When we do these radionic treatments we ask ''for the good of all and to the detriment of no one'' or something of similar meaning - do we interpret this as ''for the greater good''
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
Dear Tony, thank you very much for your information. I downloaded Rex Harrill's page and David von Pein. Now all that I have to do now is to make time to plow through it. If you have any further information will be most grateful to receive it. Kindest regards James - Original Message - From: Rambler Flowers LTD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils - Original Message - From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Vitality of the soil seems to not get coverage on BDnow. Maybe one of the reasons is that until I started to research this concept I had never heard of vitality as being measurable parameter of soil. I write this in the hope that some of you who have experience of Reams techniques may be able to enlighten me, or head me in the direction of further areas of study of his methods. I James I have enjoyed studding and putting into practice the Reams method of testing soils,composts, liquid sprays, weeds and plant on a weekly basis to be able to grow plants with out weed ,pests and disease. Reams talks about energy within the above and how to get it in balance that will enhance optimum plant growth. I feel with in myself that there is a link between energy and vitality. As I am not a particularly good at writing about these things I have posted below information that I have collected about this subject .This coming winter I hope to study some of Carey Reams books. A friend is going to lend them to me as they are out of print Philip Wheeler's book The Non-Toxic Farming Handbook is the best book I have read . Other books are Science In Agriculture, Dr Arden BE Andersen Mainline Farming for the 21st Century, Dr Dan Skow All found at the Acres USA site http://www.acresusa.com Each of these author have a different slant on the subject. A VISIT to this web site will give you a very good edited background to working with the Albrecht Model. http://www.healthyag.com/index2.html I will soon be purchasing Mr Jones books his work as been recommended to me by Cheryl .His work is very user friendly. 99 The Brix man Rex Harrill www.brixpage.com www.crossroads.ws/brixbook/BBook.htm (Rex Harrill's booklet) Pike Labs Good background material here http://www.pikeagri.com/tissuetest.html The Meter Man - David von Pein http://www.themeterman.com.au This guy can talk for hours on the subject . He recons soil can be turned around in about 3years I found him very helpful. James I do have a number of emails from this list on the subject if you are interested I could send them offline I hope this is of assistance Best Regards Tony Robinson New Zealand Down Under
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
Dear Lloyd, I agree with your sentiments about intent being a factor in Radionics, however it is not solely what makes radionics work. In NZ they are having great results with patients who have mental afflictions by getting them to write out an affirmation and putting it into the instrument and broadcasting it to them. That does not mean that it is the intent that drove the instrument, because, if we repeat an affirmation without an instrument it will work just as well. The radionic instrument enables the focus of the interference pattern that is being broadcast to the witness, regardless of wherever it may be. In experimental work my aim is just to see what will happen purely by putting a certain action into movement and see what happens. Experimentation requires that you get out of your own way and not try to pre determine the results. The work needs to be systematic and follow a pattern of analysis, diagnosis of why the problem is there, then we can approach how to treat the problem. To try to put the action of a radionic instrument as being just down to intent, or any homeopathic remedy, is an attempt to simplify what is a very complex interaction of forces. Ruth Drown trained all trainees to not try and second guess what you think the answer will be. What seems to be more important than intent is the state of mind of the operator. If Glen had malevolent thoughts for whatever reason about Joe Bloggs, who he was making a remedy for, thenhis thoughts would be transferred to the remedy and spread out through Joe Blogg's farm. When doing any of this type of work, if your intent when making the remedy is to kill those little pests of insects or animals, you will find that the energy will come back to you. The mind needs to be as clear as possible. Dr David Perle, in a lecture on radionics in 1935, stressed the first step in radionics is that it is necessary to become as thoroughly familiar, and as thoroughly in tune as possible with the theory and philosophy behind it. That is one cannot think of yesterday and do the work of today. We must be in harmony with this system of tuning in to the Infinite. On the basis of trying to understand the theory if we are merely carrying out routine procedure, not thinking right, or not knowing why we are taking a particular course, we will not get as good effects as if we understand the theory and philosophy behind what we do. I see radionics as a tool for spiritual growth in much the same way as Joey Korn saw dowsing. If we aspire to become creators the source of our energy is the Infinite.Working with radionics inspires great awe within me for the intelligent creation of the Universes and the spiritual beings who guide me though this incarnation.. To have the power to influence the actions of others, whether it is to bring into effect a healing reaction in a patient, or to hold the power of life or death over an insect , a person or an animal through your actions is to step into a different level of spiritual awareness of the implications of our actions. Kind regards to you and your family. I hope to be able to catch up with you at the workshop in Young. James - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 12:39 AM Subject: Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants. - Original Message - From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:21 PM Subject: Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants. Dear Lloyd, The idea that potentised preps stay put as proposed by Glen does not agree with my understanding and use of radionically prepared substances. If radionic preps stayed put you would not be able to use a small amount in your BC and expect it to permeate through the whole mix. It would just be a few drops scattered amongst the compost. if there was not a radiational effect Glen would not be able to claim that his possum retardant can be mixed into sand and a handful thrown out every 20 metres or so. To say that there is not a radiational effect from the use of radionically prepared substances implies that somehow different laws apply to radionics than apply to the rest of the natural world. It is difficult to isolate a trial area, as you have commented, but not impossible. One method used by Bruce Copen to define the area for a radionic broadcast trial was to mark off the area to be tested with 4 copper rods sticking out of the ground to a height of 1 metre and then take soil or leaf samples from this area as a witness. The radionic broadcast then confines to the marked area. Hi James I dont disagree with what you wrote but does this all maybe come back to intent . If Glens underlying intent when potentising his remedies was that they would only treat where they were sprayed then I believe that is what would happen, and if you believe or intend that what
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
Dear lloyd, Thank you for your very well thought out reply. It is getting late tonight so will try to reply within the next few days. Kind regards, James - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 12:24 AM Subject: Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils - Original Message - From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:37 PM Subject: Vitality and fertility ofsoils Dear Lloyd, Steve and fellow list members, In Bruce Copen's Agricultural rates there are the rates for soil testing with Carey Reams techniques. Amongst these rates is one for testing the vitality of the soil. Vitality of the soil seems to not get coverage on BDnow. Maybe one of the reasons is that until I started to research this concept I had never heard of vitality as being measurable parameter of soil. I write this in the hope that some of you who have experience of Reams techniques may be able to enlighten me, or head me in the direction of further areas of study of his methods. Lloyd knows our property, red basalt soil, 3200 cgs on average, averages 6% organic matter, high mineralisation and a dream soil for anyone to start with. There is only one problem, when you test the soils in our cultivation paddocks radionically it gives a reading of about 10% vitality, and the same for fertility. My definition for fertility is the ability of plants grown to reproduce true to type with maximum viability, which is a true reflection of the fertility of the soil. In other words they need to have inbuilt vitality and an inbuilt toughness. Hi James Some of the followers of Carey Reams ideas would tell you that those really good soils like yours are often very difficult to manage when they get out of shape, they are strongly fertile and highly buffered and they resist our efforts to change them in whatever direction we are meaning to move. They can be exploitatively farmed for a long period but then restoration takes equally long, trace element imbalances that dont appear that serious can take a lot of effort to correct etc. When we look at the bush in your area there is a marked lack of diversity compared to poorer soil types nearby, this is something we see all over Australia, in the most fertile soil areas the natural vegetation appears as almost a mono culture (the mitchell grass plains or the riverina floodplain covered with redgum) whereas in the poorest soil types there is an unbeleivable diversity of species (west australias sand plain country or the pilliga for example) maybe this lack of diversity in the original vegetation also supports a restricted microbial species range that makes it difficult to grow some introduced crop plants even with the high mineral fertility that is there? My question is what is vitality and what enlivens it in the soil. James when we get that figured out we will be able to retire on the proceeds. Seriously though I have a couple more questions to add When we test radionically for GV just what are we measuring? And (this one has been rattling around my head for quite a while) Is it really the best thing to treat a crop or seed or whatever so that we wind the GV reading up to the absolute maximum we can get? I guess I am thinking about balance - can we have too much vitality and not enough substance? See I have this picture of a fine bred arab horse that will run until it dies in mid stride - the vitality of spirit is far in excess of its physical ability. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Electronic homeopathy for plants. Was Re: late winter farm
Dear Gil, I don't know how you have had a problem getting the two Copen Agriculture booklets, however I was able to get a copy of each. The information from the two books has opened a whole new range of possibilities. No I don't have a Copen instrument, mine is from Altered States in NZ, it only has 9 dials however I am now at the stage that I would like to make my own instrument as some analysis winds up with more numbers in the rates than I can get with a 9 dial Base 10, especially with insects. Call it the next stage of the education of James. Any specifications or diagrams that you may be able to help with would be appreciated. Contact me off list and we will see what can be worked out. Sorry to hear that you are not in good health. maybe we could discuss it off list. I wish you a speedy recovery from your health problems. Kindest regards James - Original Message - From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Electronic homeopathy for plants. Was Re: late winter farm Hi! James and Lloyd, I am out of action at the moment with health probs. But picked up on your post concerning Copen's Agricultural methods. Did you start with the rates in his Ag Rate Book? I was going to buy it several years ago, but now they seem to have with-drawn it from all their sites. I have emailed both the US and German offices and neither replied. So I do not know if they have some issue with it. Do you have a copy of it? Do you have any of his instruments? I have a Mark 2 A. This is one of the fifteen knob ones, with all sorts of additional posibilities that I have never got to trying. All up it has twenty four knobs and four switches. I bought in a collection of intruments and intended to possibly use it with his Ag Rates, but do not have the book, nor have been able to buy it. If you need something made up that requires more knobs than you have, I can do it if required. Gil James Hedley wrote: Bruce Copen from Copen Instruments developed a fertiliser which was prepared radionically which he called Cosmo. it is a mixture of homeopathic Schussler tissue salts, radionically prepared BD preps, a substance called Agrospon which feeds bacteria and other microbes plus a couple of other remedies such as Lachesis ( a great anti viral ) and Lycopodium (to strengthen the archetype of the plant). I have been broadcasting this out during the drought as well as Copen's Nutritional spray # 5. Each of these have been broadcast for 24 hours at least once a fortnight since last spring when I realised that we were moving into severe drought..
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
Dear glen, Thanks for your reply. I don't think that I will take this point further until I see your web page. Wont be able to get to it for a few days as I have a workshop on this weekend. Will resume discussion sometime next week. Go well James - Original Message - From: Garuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants. - Original Message - From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:21 PM Subject: Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants. Dear Lloyd, The idea that potentised preps stay put as proposed by Glen does not agree with my understanding and use of radionically prepared substances. It would appear you are indentifying an essential difference between Potentised and radionic preps - all the more reason to be clear in their naming when discussing them. By their very nature of application I would expect radionic preps to radiate. re potentised preps radiation , please inspect the pictures on my website, especially the Kale trials, where three plants, side by side, from the same punnet have been sprayed differently with 3 different outcomes. When I first began using pot. preps and spread them with a brush I had green strips across the lawn, which did not even out. (This was done 12 years ago and similiar results have occurred since) This was the first hint. I recently did trials on coriander, very close together which have shown the same effect. We also have on video -CD available- the results of some spring spraying where there is a distinct line in the paddock between the sprayed and unsprayed areas. One is dairy pasture the other is all off to seed. No diffused area whatsover. The results and pictures speak for themselves. What is your explanation if you do not accept these pictures proposal? If radionic preps stayed put you would not be able to use a small amount in your BC and expect it to permeate through the whole mix. It would just be a few drops scattered amongst the compost. if there was not a radiational effect Glen would not be able to claim that his possum retardant can be mixed into sand and a handful thrown out every 20 metres or so. The story above is from Peter Bacchus who was spreading unpotentised possum ash. Which no doubt has a radiation effect. Over the last 10 months I have been spraying pot. possum preps , not peppers, and it is obvious from the possum trails leading into and out of the tree on the edge of the sprayed area, that traffic in is normal from two directions - as seen in tracks thru long grass- however the track to the house from the tree was difficult to see, hence little to no use. Sadly I did not video this before the grass was eaten off. Supposing that you were to dilute a litre of preps from Glen, in whatever amount of water that he suggests, if the homoeopathic preps had no radiational effect on the rest of the water why would you dilute it. Is the water just a carrier or does something happen to the water. It seems to me that the memory pattern from the potentised preps permeates the medium through osmosis. Yes the water is acting as a carrier of the potentised preps. It is mixing with and being carried by, no doubt there is some combining into the memory function of the water. Where it carries it to though, is were it stays. Thus we suggest fine sprays over the area to be treated. with regards potentised weed peppers, many people make these and they are sprayed around with a fine spray usually. Peter has a dairy farming client who did Ragwort last year with some pretty amazing results. Maybe he can tell us more about this with regards to seed germination? regards Glen A
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
Dear Glen, What was the qualitative difference between the radionically potentised preparations and the hand succussing? It would be hard to put it up as a valid test if both doses were not derived from the same substance. One batch of preps could vary very markedly from those prepared at a different time. Were the symptom pictures the same at both times? You may be right that your manually potentised preps are better than radionically prepared preps, but somehow it is important to compare apples with apples and that it is the same parameters that are being tested. An agronomist friend of mine claims that before you can visually see a difference in a pasture there would have to be at least 25% difference to be able to see it. I have looked at the problem of chromas as a measurement indicator, however much of the skill with this type of qualitative analysis is in the evaluation. Different viewers will put different interpretations on the chromas. Quality such as that one substance was better than another cannot be ascertained without first setting the parameters that indicate quality. Could we do it by comparison of Brix levels, and would that be an overall comparison of quality? The problems of how to set up an experiment so the results can be considered valid are a biometricians nightmare. A trial could never be considered conclusive if it was based only on one experiment on one plant. Maybe what is needed is the same sort of dedication shown by Lili Kolisko or Maria Thun of trying to test for the effects of substance and forces. that would require the financial support of those who have the most to gain.Would the New Zealand Biodynamic Association be prepared to support you in a long term evaluation project. It may even be better to take your ideas out to conventional farmers who have a need for your expertise. This is the century of the ECO Age as my friend Liz Davis calls it. Companies are looking for solutions to problems. For instance how much would Cotton Australia support research into non toxic weed control. How much would Simplot support you if you could show them how your techniques could stop spoiling on their potatoes, or increase yields? If you can show that your techniques work it could help McDonalds with their new direction of trying to source more clean green food. They have a huge war chest that is there to support the push for a new image for big Mac's. How can the BD industry help them to achieve their goals?It is just not a case of getting people to buy BD food, or to farm biodynamically. You have to be in the right market at the right time. The concept of radionics will be far easier to sell than hand succussed preps because it has an economic advantage and fits more into the culture of the day. We have moved into the era of the air, with electricity, TV, radio and electronics. Radionics is in the right market at the right time. People accept radionics. Just look at how many paying customers turn up for an Arden Andersen, Phillip Wheeler or Hugh Lovel workshop. Try getting those numbers to a BD workshop. After all our experimenting for the next 50 years to try and statistically prove that biodynamic food is qualitively better we would still have lost the opportunity. There has already been 80 years of research into biodynamics without inroads into the mainstream. BD has never been marketed from an emotional perspective. Steve Diver summed up the whole marketing approach for our techniques which is to appeal to the emotions. The opportunity is in the moment NOW. Give the people what they desire most and they will beat a path to your door. Kind regards James - Original Message - From: Garuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants. # Glen - When you say potentised preps is that specifically potentised by dilution and sucussion? Yes prepared physically by hand. I can not really help you with radionically applied either by spray or device, and their effect, as I have not had alot of experience of them. The few tests I have done with my physically potentised preps and radionic versions - via square box- of the same, produced very different results in me when I have taken them. The radionic preps effect was minimal compared to the physical pot prep. I need to do more trials on this before I am convinced Radionic preps and potentised preps are the same thing. Can someone provide some picture evidence of the effect on plants re radionic preps verses control please, ala those on my website / Case Studies? cheers GA # When I talk of radionically prepared preps I mean things that are potentised by instrument but are then applied by spraying out onto a target . I have assumed that both of the above stay where you put them and was hoping that your work would support that assumption in both cases. (this has important implications for how we
Re: baby animals born...
We really have a common bond amongst all farmers don't we. Governments can indulge in their petty intrigues, but regardless of where we are whether you are a cropper or a grazer what is really important is the caring and nurturing of stock and plants on your enterprise. When I read something like you have written it reminds me that we are all part of the One and that even although I may have a gripe sometimes about my grievances on American Foreign policy it is maybe as our illustrious Prime Minister has said. this war has nothing to do with the people. These are Inter -governmental decisions. Many people world wide may not like the bully boy attitude of your leaders, but put farmers together at a sheep or cattle sale or a seminar on production techniques, no matter where it is in the world and there is a common bond. We are farmers and somehow that is what will bind us together and allow us to prevail in the coming battle between the forces of good and evil. Go well James Radiasesthesia and Radionic Analysis Radionic Insect and Parasite control Bioethical Agriculture Consultant - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:47 PM Subject: baby animals born... Yes, kidding and foaling season is finished here. I had some very early (or late) foals last year, one very pregnant mare was sold. But the buyer was afraid to foal out so paid me extra to midwife her for her. For some reason, I knew it would be a stud colt, and didn't want to try to get it to weaning, market it and/or get it under saddle then market it. Didn't want to invest 3+ years in a crossbred colt with a 19 yr old dam. So, selling her with the foal inter-utero was ideal for me. (Midwifing farm animals seems to be my forte after all.) She foaled first of November and they took the pair home (I chipped in imprinting and halter training on the foal) before Christmas. The woman totally ignored my work, started doing things that terrified the baby, and had to have someone start him all over. But that was after they left here. I'd never tell anyone to throw a baby horse to the ground to 'show him who's boss'. If I'd known she was going to be stupid about it, I'd have charged her more! My other 2 pregnant mares foaled Nov 24 and Dec 10 with fillies. Again, I have no idea why, but I 'knew' these would be fillies. The oldest is approaching weaning age at the end of this month, and she's enormous for a 4 month old baby. The other one, Encanta, is from my favorite mare and is a living doll. Loves to be around me, comes nickering up whenever she sees me outside, and thinks I belong solely to herself. Going to be small, and a 'dirty dun' like her Mom, so I suspect I'll sell Mirada, the other one and keep her. I find I really like these dun horses, they seem to have much less hoof problems, hard hooves, and they always look dirty, no matter how much you polish them. So, a quick brush and a rag ran over them, and they're good to go. then there's the goats. I had made the decision to leave all kids on their dams if at all possible this year. I was there for the births, making sure kids knew which end was important, otherwise, the goats are raising their own offspring. First time in 20+ years, but I just don't have the 'oomph' anymore to pasteurize milk, bottle feed and make sure I'm out there milking twice a day. I milk once a day, or at least get the moms on the milkstand and check their udders, making sure they're being nursed out evenly, and take a little for the house when I need it. Except the kids are really drawing the does down, it seems to be working ok this way. Out of 7 kids, four are doelings. I had a waiting list for the doe kids, but I still may keep 2 of the very best ones. I know this has nothing to do with biodynamics, but it's farm life and Christy DID ask!
Vitality and fertility ofsoils
Dear Lloyd, Steve and fellow list members, In Bruce Copen's Agricultural rates there are the rates for soil testing with Carey Reams techniques. Amongst these rates is one for testing the vitality of the soil. Vitality of the soil seems to not get coverage on BDnow. Maybe one of the reasons is that until I started to research this concept I had never heard of vitality as being measurable parameter of soil. I write this in the hope that some of you who have experience of Reams techniques may be able to enlighten me, or head me in the direction of further areas of study of his methods. Lloyd knows our property, red basalt soil, 3200 cgs on average, averages 6% organic matter, high mineralisation and a dream soil for anyone to start with. There is only one problem, when you test the soils in our cultivation paddocks radionically it gives a reading of about 10% vitality, and the same for fertility. My definition for fertility is the ability of plants grown to reproduce true to type with maximum viability, which is a true reflection of the fertility of the soil. In other words they need to have inbuilt vitality and an inbuilt toughness. This ties in with other strands which are developing on the list about trace elements and nutrition, and whether we can claim that food is better if grown biodynamically. I love my plants and take great delight in growing plants that have a look of vitality about them. Although they may appear to be very vital plants, each year the seed loses some of it's vitality. My problem then became how do I increase vitality, when within the existing theories that I had been exposed to, at university and on the list there was not a lot which I could do with this soil. Most minerals were within acceptable standards, copper and Sulphur down a bit. The pH has increased from 5.5 to 6.8 over the last 3 years and is in general a very pleasant soil to work with. It appears that the plants may have been living on their inbuilt vitality, but were not getting much assistance from the soil. There was something missing. The missing thing was indefinable, however I instinctively knew that something was wrong, that there was some missing ingredients in the brew. At first I thought that vitality was being lost from the cultivated areas into the surrounding forest, on the basis that energy travels from the lowest to the highest. In amongst my other radionic broadcasts I put out one for vitality, and another one for fertility. The results are that now that the drought has broken, there are no bare patches that were there before. It seems that there is a vitality that was not there before, even although it appeared to be as good as any mortal person could hope for. My question is what is vitality and what enlivens it in the soil. Regards James - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:35 AM Subject: Re: Electronic homeopathy for plants. Was Re: late winter farm From: Steve Diver The typical NPK soil test, even the Albrecht soil test, is largely irrelevant from this humus perspective. Hi Steve I would like to pursue this a bit. Maybe I think a bit different to most but I reckon the main benefit of a proper soil test (a good Albrecht type analysis) is the detailed trace element analysis - of course you have to pay the rate to get it and many people are not prepared to go whole hog on a soil test. The majors are simple and cheap - you can get Calcium , magnesium, potassium and sodium off any old twenty dollar soil test and run an 'Albrecht balance' off those numbers and most times you will come out with a workable result - there is a bit of math involved and some conversion figures sometimes - it helps to know the cheap test numbers in comparison to a perry or brookside but you can do this . OTOH A decent trace element analysis is not something you can get cheap. For trace element numbers you need to go to a good lab and pay the price and also do any retests with that same lab. Trace element nutrition is something that many organic farmers neglect almost as badly as their chemical cousins and I really dont see how you can get this right (or know that it is right) without some proper soil testing. Of course I dont know those Swiss soils - maybe they are so loaded with minerals and energy that the farmers dont need to look for anything xtra - Quartz crystal that I have seen from there is the best energetically. Tell us what they are doing that makes testing irrelevant Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
Dear Lloyd, The idea that potentised preps stay put as proposed by Glen does not agree with my understanding and use of radionically prepared substances. If radionic preps stayed put you would not be able to use a small amount in your BC and expect it to permeate through the whole mix. It would just be a few drops scattered amongst the compost. if there was not a radiational effect Glen would not be able to claim that his possum retardant can be mixed into sand and a handful thrown out every 20 metres or so. I test the radiational effect of radionic substances with a radionic instrument in this way. Take some of the substance, say in a watering can, and sprinkle it out over a defined area. leave for some time, maybe 2 or 3 days then take soil samples at 1 metre intervals. Test the soil samples to find if there is any of the substance that you have broadcast. This is done by either dialling in the rate for that substance and then seeing if you get a stick,from a match with the soil sampleand the witness.My tests have shown that the radiational effect is usually somewhere between 17 and 40 times, the size of the treated area. There have been no outside influences such as an instrument. It is purely and simply natural forces. To say that there is not a radiational effect from the use of radionically prepared substances implies that somehow different laws apply to radionics than apply to the rest of the natural world. Supposing that you were to dilute a litre of preps from Glen, in whatever amount of water that he suggests, if the homoeopathic preps had no radiational effect on the rest of the water why would you dilute it. Is the water just a carrier or does something happen to the water. It seems to me that the memory pattern from the potentised preps permeates the medium through osmosis. An example of the radiational effect of peppering is a 12month trial that we have just comleted at Willow Tree on control of St Johns Wort. the aim of the trial was to test the effect of a method that we have developed of making high homoeopathic peppers of St John's Wort. The trial has confirmed earlier research on Serrated Tussock which indicated viability of seed, both on the plant and in the seed bank in the soil can be reduced markedly by our method of weed pepper production and application. These trials prove conclusively that there is a radiational effect from the pepper sprayed on the surface of the soil otherwise we would not be able to devitalise seed under the soil. The applications of this research of using a non toxic species specific pre emergence weedicide could revolutionise the widespread application of chemical herbicides. The next stage is to take the method to trial large scale application over 500 acres. The surrounding area of the trial was covered with St John's Wort whereas the trial area had zero germination. A most pleasing result. It is difficult to isolate a trial area, as you have commented, but not impossible. One method used by Bruce Copen to define the area for a radionic broadcast trial was to mark off the area to be tested with 4 copper rods sticking out of the ground to a height of 1 metre and then take soil or leaf samples from this area as a witness. The radionic broadcast then confines to the marked area. This may help anyone who wanted experiment with comparing radionic broadcast to non treated areas as you can have several strips alongside each other. It could be worth trying.Will keep you informed how this method works out. Kindest regards James Hedley Radiasesthesia and Radionic Analysis Radionic Insect and Parasite control Bioethical Agriculture Consultant - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants. - Original Message - From: Steve Diver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:36 AM Subject: Re: Electronic homeopathy for plants. Was Re: late winter farm Chromas as intellectual curiosity? Chromas are a practical approach to the humus farmers in Austria and Switzerland, who work their soils with humified compost, cover crops, spading machines, rotations, and related humus management practices to achieve biological health, clay-humus crumb, and associated mineral availability. Hi Steve I dont think you'd get much argument about the value of chromas as you have described above Lets come back around the circle and look at this again 1 I made some barrel compost using radionically made preps instead of the physical ones - heck I had enough cow manure for two pits and only one set of preps - and I was curious as to what would happen. 2. The stuffs done and visually there is no difference and there was none as it went through the process 3 We tested these two lots energetically with a radionic machine and by dowsing and for practical purposes
Electronic homeopathy for plants. Was Re: late winter farm
Dear Lloyd, I agree with you that a commercial farm is not really the place for doing chromas. How many BD farms or CSA's supply food with a certificate of quality backed up by chromas. To me they are only of intellectual interest to check how your farm is going overall. but really how do you define quality without a standard to measure it by. it seems to me that the nebulous thing which Alan defines as quality is best decided by the farmer themselves first, then by their peers and also by the customer. My guess is that if a farmer of any persuasion had to supply a certificate of compliance with their produce very little of the food produced would get to market. I believe that to simply use the preps and compost as defined by RS will only lead to depletion of soil mineralisation. There is more to cropping than that. In ancient soils as we have in large areas of Australia minerals are very low to start with, so any chance you have to add to mineralisation or to increase microbial growth will give a great return. Bruce Copen from Copen Instruments developed a fertiliser which was prepared radionically which he called Cosmo. it is a mixture of homeopathic Schussler tissue salts, radionically prepared BD preps, a substance called Agrospon which feeds bacteria and other microbes plus a couple of other remedies such as Lachesis ( a great anti viral ) and Lycopodium (to strengthen the archetype of the plant). I have been broadcasting this out during the drought as well as Copen's Nutritional spray # 5. Each of these have been broadcast for 24 hours at least once a fortnight since last spring when I realised that we were moving into severe drought.. People who come to our place all comment on the speed which the pasture and bushland has recovered, compared to surrounding farms. If you would like a phial of each to try in your broadcasters I would be pleased to send them to you. The use of electronic homeopathy for plants has a great future in overcoming mineral deficiency problems in plants and this combination of mixtures seems to be a valuable tool to have in your arsenal. have had eleven and a half inches of rain since the Albury workshop so we are well and truly out of the drought for the moment although much more rain is needed to replenish sub soil moisture. will be planting forage oats next week. It is amazing what a few weeks can make on a farm. Conditions can change so fast. Have you started planting yet? Kind regards James - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Re: late winter farm I dont expect the traditionalists on the list to go into raptures over this but I believe that we need to know if these things can work. It could be useful to use some radionically prepared prep water in any making of BD preps - Lloyd - What I'd like to see is chromas comparing crops (carrots, for example) grown in radionically prepped soils and in conventional BD prepped soils. We can have good physical appearances but still not have everything that we are looking for in BD food. Are you up for doing something like this? Allan The way I understand this type of comparison trial its difficult to do because of the crossover effect of physical preps? 500 will spread its influence over the general area treated? We 'd assume that the other preps do likewise. I know Hamish says its not necessary to cover every square yard when you spray the preps - so to move away from this influence for a comparison we then introduce the change in soil types as a variable? I'll talk to Cheryl maybe they can do chromas on the actual BC, I think one of the members in the Bellingen area is up to doing chromas, its beyond me at this stage (and outside of my interest) there are more basic problems need attention. I think I've said to you before I like to come at things from as many different angles as I can, I'm certainly not advocating giving up making proper preps and doing it all off cards, but why not use the radionics to add some extra? I think Steve Storch is doing stuff like this now - maybe not radionically. Any of these easy things we should do any chance we get - it may not be ideal but if it gets done easy and cheap it must add to the overall effect. With my potentiser, cards and ash samples, anytime I put anything liquid out I can add some preps or pepper weeds to bolster the effect of the broadcaster, its easy and there is no cost. Will let you know if anything develops Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: dragon lines
Dear Lloyd, The dragon line that I refer to runs basically from Table Top to the west of Euroa but east of Castlemaine.It follows roughly the line of the Hume Highway but veers off to the west. I first came across this one many years ago from an old prospector who had this theory of the dragon line and gold. James - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 11:36 PM Subject: Re: dragon lines Dear James This below was part of your post to Roger recently - Would you be able to explain this further please (if you have the time) as it would seem that the dragon line is about where the recent rain stopped. I guess I am thinking about the possible effects of deep irrigation bores on underground energies, also there is a coal seam around oaklands that has had extensive exloration in the recent few years. I should know where Mount Elephant is but cant find a map in one piece to check it out. I'm interested in your further thoughts. Cheers Lloyd Charles The city of Albury cuts a dragon line that runs from Mount Elephant in the west and Table Top Mountain near Albury. Even today in China it is considered an offence against nature to cut through water or dragon lines. The Fon- Chei or Wind/Water man was called in, if he said that it was alright to build then the house was built, if he said no the house or structure was not built.
Re: Gil FW: [globalnews] Der Spiegel: Fundamentalist Bush Regime Wants
Dear Christianne, When we are looking for John Howard's motives regarding the threatened US invasion of Iraq it may pay to research the connections of Rupert Murdoch, John Howard and George Bush. Sometime early last year John Howard flew to the US for a 30 minute consultation with GWB. It was reported that he spent the rest of the evening having a private dinner with Rupert Murdoch. It was just after this that John Howard turned up the volume of the rhetoric supporting Bush. Does anyone on the list have any information on any connections between them I wonder what Murdoch has on Little Johnny Howard. What is in this whole affair that appeals to Rupert Murdoch as a media baron who is able to give distorted viewpoints with his wide media empire including ownership of Fox News. Regards James - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Gil FW: [globalnews] Der Spiegel: Fundamentalist Bush Regime Wants Gil, I agree with what you said, but only partially with the last paragraph. I cannot comment on the American media, because I do not know it. I am thinking that globalnews is mostly American and there is stuff in there, we would not hear about in Australia. My main point for consideration, however, is Howard's labelling disagreeing Australians as being 'un-Australian', which has caught on and not been dismissed as a derogatory and slanderous way of belittling people and avoiding a public debate about issues. Regards, Christiane
Re: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour
Allan, I would like to seeyour soil tests. Please forward. James - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:50 AM Subject: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour You folks in Australia and New Zealand will not want to miss Graeme Sait and Nutri-Tech's awesome late March/Early April eductional tour. Gary Zimmer, one of the US' foremost biological farming teachers, and Jerry Brunetti, Americas foremost 'health of the soil = the health of the herd (and nation!)' teachers, as well as brilliant Graeme Sait himself will be speaking at several locations. More info at the nutri-tech pages, I'm sure, or email me off-line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll email you the killer .pdf file. http://www.nutri-tech.com.au Anyone downunder interested in getting a jump start on the Albrecht method, grab your soil tests and head to this great event! -Allan Anyone interested in seeing the Albrecht-oriented soil tests from my new garden, also drop me a line and I'll email them to you
Re: world update
Dear Michael and list, Australian troops have arrived in the Middle east. There was coverage of the Australian contingent training in Kuwait on TV last night. James - Original Message - From: mroboz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 7:49 AM Subject: world update Publically, Australia has committed troops, but, I don't know if they have been sent over yet. Canada, due to cutbacks on military spending and a drain on the finances from the Afhgan campaign has sent 3 ships to the Gulf (but publically saying that no troops involved unless UN sanctioned war), and will sent 1000 Special Ops. to Afganistan in leu of sending them to the Gulf to relive some other troops sitll in Asia. Michael -
Re: [globalnews] Iraq: a 12-year old's powerful statement
Title: FW: [globalnews] Iraq: a 12-year old's powerful statement Dear Keith, Very seldom am I tempted to answer something that comes from Curtis and Global News. However such utter rubbish as thisneeds some correction. Theclaim that the war is about weapons of mass destruction claim is a furphy. It is about oil, pure and simple. Which nation has the most weapons of mass destruction? Which country supplies these weapons? Which country took 8000 pages out of the declaration supplied to the UN by Iraq because they listed the US companies that supplied them to Iraq. As to this childunwittingly helping Saddam Hussein, has it ever occurred to you that you may be unwittingly deceived byrown mass media. This war is not some video game that you turn the TV on to which channel will show you the most sanitised version of an unjust war. What makes some people in America think that they have the right to be the policeman of the world? There may be millions of people in the US who share your views, however a head count would probably show that there are more people worldwide who can see through the motives of your beloved Dubya and are going out on the streets to show their contempt for him. If you feel so dearly for what you see as a just American cause why dont you go into Iraq and be the first person to enter Baghdad at the head of a victorious US Army after it has massacred hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. At any rate with any sort of luck you may be able to kill more Iraqi's than your own soldiers. I feel that if you led the victorious troops into Baghdad you would have more chance of being shot by your own men than by the enemy. Enjoy your war and may you inheret the legacy of the results which you are demanding from your leaders. Somehow you are reading the world sentiment wrong. The protest marches are not just anti war they come from a heart felt compassion for the people of Iraq. As for the idea of showing someone a different way. How's this for a different way. Pistols at dawn for the two leaders of the dispute with the winner takes all. EitherAmerica getsIraq or Saddam gets America.Or how is this for a different scenario, Hussein and Bushleads their army into battle with each man at the head of their armies. Let us see just how good a General each one is. Could you just imagine the ratings fora real life pistol duel on prime time after the evening news. Maybe you could be Dubya's second.It could be held on neutral ground say in Afghanistan or maybe Venezuela. It would beat High Noon or Gone With The Wind for drama.What do you think. James Hedley Original Message:Keith N Legge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [globalnews] Iraq: a 12-year old's powerful statement Jane, There is not one person alive in the west who wants war. But I think stories like you have posted and all anti war rallies are doing more harm to the cause than the good that is intended. The focus is wrong. I mean antiwar. In my humble opinion, people power ought to be used to convince the world that Saddam needs to go along with all his regime. For some insane reason, the powers that be believe it is better to kill millions of kids like the writer spoke of in your post rather than be accused of being politically incorrect by accidentally killing one or two or a dozen or two of Saddams "innocent" relatives, as apparently happened in Cuba or somewhere many years ago. If you oppose something someone more powerful wants so he canachieve his goal, he'll take no notice and operate against you. Show him there is another way, certainly not, in this case by suggesting SH can be trusted not to use weapons of mass detruction as France China and Russia seem to be doing backed by Germany. That is absolutely rediculous. People power needs to be used toback the permanent elimination of SH and his henchmen. And for the US to suggest they can't is rediculous. They just don't want to because of the political fall out they perceive hppening. Let's show them that it is more politically unbeneficial to make war than to risk a bad political reputation by dealing with SH. The other sad thing is that our little girlas true and horrific as her story is, is, unwittingly hopefully, just a tool inthe hand of SHso he can continue to live to wreak far more damage on her own people than the Allies will ever do in any war. Let's hear her talk about that, and the very fact that she will have no chance in her own country of getting people to oust SH. As evil as war is, there are greater evils as the free west can attest to. Where would we be with our freedoms if the wars of last century had not happened, if Hiroshima and Nagasaki hadn't happened? And where would the oppressed peoples of Europe and Japan be if it hadn't happened just as it di
Re:Re [Humore]Theory of Everything these daze
Title: Re:Re [Humore]Theory of Everything these daze Dear Markess, I love your humour, will send it to our local Member of Parliament. James - Original Message - From: Moen Creek To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 2:50 PM Subject: Re:Re [Humore]Theory of Everything these daze A major research institution has recently announced the discovery oftheheaviest chemical element yet known to science. The new element hasbeententatively named Governmentium.Governmentium has 1 neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 75 deputy neutrons,and224 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312.These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, whicharesurrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.Sincegovernmentium has no electrons, it is inert. However, it can bedetected asit impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact. A minuteamountof governmentium causes one reaction to take over 4 days to completewhen itwould normally take less than a second.Governmentium has a normal half-life of 3 years; it does not decay, butinstead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistantneutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places. In fact, governmentium'smasswill actually increase over time, since each reorganization will causesomemorons to become neutrons, forming isodopes.This characteristic of moron-promotion leads some scientists tospeculatethat governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantityinconcentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as CriticalMorass.
Re: A French Terroirist vs Globalization
What a great story. It appeals to my sense of justice. Dont know whether the Local courts would approve. Such a crime is worthy of at least 2 lifetimes in gaol whereas if I were to kill someone I would be very unlucky if the sentence was 10 years. James - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: A French Terroirist vs Globalization José Bové A French farmer who dismantled a McDonald's Florence Williams / Outside in Utne Reader 12jan01 The accused threads his way up the steps of the stone Palais de Justice in the ancient French city of Montpellier. He has receding sandy hair and a comically long walrus mustache, wears a little yellow neck scarf, and clutches a pipe. Muscular young activists in yellow T-shirts escort him past dozens of aggressive TV cameramen, all jockeying for a better angle. Halfway up the stairs, the defendant turns, smiles into the cameras, and gazes over the several hundred protesters gathered on the street below. He gives a thumbs-up and pumps his fist. The crowd goes wild. Their hero is, with the possible exception of President Jacques Chirac, France's most famous political personality. His name is José Bové. He makes cheese. It is the morning of February 15, 2001, and Bové, 47, and his nine (virtually unnoticed) co-defendants are appealing their sentences for criminal vandalism convictions, charges resulting from a 1999 protest in which a McDonald's under construction just outside the farming village of Millau was disassembled, bolt by bolt, and carted away. Bové, sentenced to three months in prison, is unapologetic. He took apart the McDonald's to protest American imperialism, its trade policies, and the general, noxious spread of malbouffe. Malbouffe, Bové has said, implies eating any old thing, prepared in any old way . . . both the standardization of food like McDonald's--the same taste from one end of the world to the other--and the choice of food associated with the use of hormones and GMOs [genetically modified organisms], as well as the residues of pesticides and other things that can endanger health. Needless to say, the McDonald's Corporation was not amused-and is still not amused. We are so the wrong target, says company spokesman Brad Trask from global headquarters in Oak Brook, Illinois. Our French outlets are virtually entirely locally sourced and Bové knows that quite well. You'll find no better supporter of local agriculture than us. Besides, Trask sniffs, Bové is a gentleman farmer who got his farm by squatting and falling into it. The McDonald's dismantling was a perfect media event. There was Bové on televison, lugging around a broken McDonald's sign bigger than he was. There was the parade of farm vehicles loaded with debris, which was gently deposited on the lawn of local government offices. There were women cheerfully passing out locally made Roquefort snacks to passersby. You see, Bruno Rebelle, director of Greenpeace France, says, in the United States, food is fuel. Here, it's a love story. Since the storming of the McDonald's, Bovémania has spread around the world. During the 1999 anti-World Trade Organization (WTO) protests in Seattle, Bové delivered fiery speeches and gave away 500 kilos of contraband Roquefort cheese smuggled in from France. (The U.S. government imposed a steep tariff on Roquefort and 76 other French farm products in retaliation for France's restrictions on beef from the United States with hormone additives). Last year, he traveled to India, Turkey, and Wisconsin (cheese capital of the USA), to rouse farmers against globalization. Last January, he led hundreds of Brazilian campesinos on a midnight raid to uproot genetically engineered soybean plants on farmland owned by the Monsanto Corporation. Bové's free-market enemies have dismissed him as a mercenary, a poseur, and a nationalistic xenophobe. But wielding a campy blend of folksiness and intellectualism, along with an unerring instinct for political theater, he has elevated the debate over food purity and the importance of traditional agriculture in France to the highest levels of the national agenda. Bové, who has been making powerful enemies throughout his adult life, is indeed more complicated than the gruff peasant he projects. The son of two crop scientists, Bové lived in Berkeley from the age of 3 until he was 7 while his parents studied microbiology at the University of California. In 1971 he dropped out of Bordeaux University after a month. I thought I had other things to do, Bové says-things like campaigning for disarmament and hanging around Bordeaux reading Thoreau and Gandhi. It was antimilitary activism that drew José to the Larzac region of southern France. In the fields outside the town of Roquefort-sur-Soulzon, native ewes graze native grasses, and the cheese made from their milk is infused with the venerable fungus Penicillium roqueforti and aged for months in
Re: UPDATE ON HUGH IN OZ?
Dear Allan, The quote that a prophet has no honour in their own country is still valid. It seems that there is some scepticism with the concept that it may be possible to manipulate atmospheric congestion to influence precipitation. Hugh gave us all some very pertinent insights into the problems which can occur in areas where congestion in the atmosphere can cause rainfall problems. There was not a cook book type of presentation given by any of the speakers with Hugh, Brian and Peter sharing their own particular skills with the participants. When Barbara and I arrived home, it was to the usual promising clouds but no action. Dowsed up what needed to be broadcast (rose pink No. 54 and sea water) to ionise the atmosphere.Within 2 hours a mist developed, followed by gentle rain, which has turned into heavy rain, 2overnight and still going strong. Water tanks are filling and the dams are starting to replenish. Rain is coming in from the east which is unusual for our area, what is amazing is that it is also coming in from the NW.- The two cells seem to have combined and formed into one super cell. The rain which has come from the NW has swept right across Australia from one side to the other giving a respite from drought conditions. It may seem difficult to claim that the ideas promoted in Hugh's Workshops have anything to do with the rain, however the effect of 300 people going home from the workshops and cleaning up the atmospheric congestion on their own properties, must have a major effect in starting the ethers flowing again. Wherever Hugh and entourage have gone it has rained, the Toowoomba workshop developed into a 20 in 6 hour deluge up the coast. It flooded most of the coast of Queensland, then the entourage shifted to Coffs Harbour, where someone must have told Hugh to turn the energy down as it has only been heavy rain since then. Next they shifted on to Albury, the home of Hume Weir which when full contains 5 times the volume of water of Sydney Harbour. Hume Weir is down to 5 %, an indication of the conditions right across the eastern half of Australia. True to form it has started to rain there, so I reckon that 3 out of 3 is pretty good. If the American farmers dont support Hugh I think that it may be easy to get him to return to Australia and stay here. I will keep you informed Regards James Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 11:49 PM Subject: UPDATE ON HUGH IN OZ? Can anyone fill us in on this past weekend's events? Thanks -Allan
Re: OnT Does the benefit outweigh the detriment?
Dear gil, Yes I am interested in participating in a project to design / build an interrupter. James - Original Message - From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:57 PM Subject: Re: OnT Does the benefit outweigh the detriment? Hi! If folk would like to discuss the technical side of designing and building the electronics to make an Interrupter of like device. I am prepared to help. I think it should be off list as it would be outside most people's area of interest. To be able to do this, one will need to be able to build up circuit board and understand a little about the 555 timer chip. (I say a little as that is about my limit.) I have ideas of how this can be included into broadcast devices. Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, It has come down to my attention, a view, regarding the continuous broadcast of the preparations using radionic devices. It seems there is a concern that broadcasting these patterns during detrimental time periods (nodes and other Stella blackout periods) might bewelldetrimental. My initial reaction was that these time periods are small portion of the whole of time and that the beneficial broadcast time should out weigh the bad . After thinking about it a while I landed on that maybe discontinuous broadcast might have advantages. After all a blinking light has more impact than an even brighter continuous light. Maybe cyclic broadcasts might be more effective, keeping the chaos/order energy-building process in mind. (Would the energy patterns start reverting towards chaos after the broadcast was stopped?)(The broadcast does create more order?) So here I ponder. Would it benefit one to keep the Stella in hand when using a broadcast device? Which events would one want to let occur without a broadcast? Would a scheduled broadcast be more effective than one not? How does one figure this out? I know a number of list members do broadcast. It might be beneficial to discuss techniques and process. Trying to sort it out, Ed
Re: Peppering advice
Dear Di, Try making a pepper of the whole plant, it may prove to be most effective. Also make one from the seeds and record results. how much land are you going to treat and how are you going to potentise it to spray it out. there have been many posts contributed which will be in the archives. James - Original Message - From: Di Handley To: BDNow Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:49 PM Subject: Peppering advice Kia ora As the full moon is in Leo on Monday my understanding is that it is the best day for collecting weed seeds for peppering. Has anyone got any experience of collecting/burning/spraying back on the land that they are able to share. Many thanks Diana
Re: OnT Does the benefit outweigh the detriment?
Dear Ed, Greetings from the Land of the Wizards of Oz I will try to start the ball rolling in this discussion. I use various Radionic devices to broadcast preps and other homeopathic substances. Mostly with satisfying results. Never have I been an advocate of continuous broadcast. Short broadcasts used intermittently, in series,with a gap between the series have given the best results. Initial broadcast may be for a period of 3 or 4 days, then a break of at least a day, another couple of days of broadcast and then another break. However radionic analysis will indicate time and frequency of treatment. If I could find an interrupter as developed by Malcolm Rae, with it's pulsing action, that would probably be the most efficient. I agree with you that pulsed cyclic broadcast could prove to be the most effective form. It is most important to constantly monitor what is happening in the subject area being broadcast to. I don't know about Stella Natura but from experience trials have shown that the effect of Mercury in retrograde is detrimental to the efficacy of any homeopathic substance. Try making homeopathic remedies with Mercury in retrograde and measure the energetic patterns of your remedies. Then spray them out and visually compare the effects. Fundamental ray strength is decreased during this period. Use your pendulum to measure the strength of the fundamental ray of a tree and you will see that it varies from day to day. Sometimes the pendulum will swing maybe 12 inches or more out from the tree, another time it may only be a few inches. Something varies from day to day, exactly what is impossible to say. It is only by conducting long term research work with very accurate record, such as that conducted by the Kolisko's that we will really understand the effects of Electronic Homeopathy on plants, animals and soils. You ponder that Maybe cyclic broadcasts might be more effective, keeping the chaos/order energy-building process in mind. (Would the energy patterns start reverting towards 'chaos' after the broadcast was stopped?). I have seen areas where the use of field broadcasters has proved detrimental, whether by the design, or placement of them, on the other hand there are many recorded instances where radionic broadcast have proved to be effective. Radionics is only one of many tools that can assist in farming. Understand the uses and limitations of each one. Whether a radionic broadcast during any period is detrimental, or not, I am unable to categorically affirm or reject, however my personal feelings are that to continually try to hold order instead of chaos/order will have long term detrimental effects. Life patterns are in a continual state of flux, with substance breaking down to form the building blocks for the renewal of life. How do we know when to enhance order and when to enhance chaos by not doing anything? The answer is continual radionic analysis to monitor the results of our actions. The beauty of radionic analysis is that you are able to pretest the likely effect of any proposed action. A classic case was at the last 'wizards conference' at Bellingen where we are able to indicate which of the BD preps would enhance the vitality of a particular soil, and which would decrease the vitality. BD preps are not benign substances, they are very powerful. Used in isolation they can just as easily as destroy productive soil as they can enhance life force in the soil or plants. I suppose that the point is are we prepared to work with nature, or are we going to try to enforce our will over the life forces, and all the elementals. To try to exert control over nature to conform with our wishes by the use of continuous radionic broadcast is really no different to genetic engineering. Both are attempting to modify life energies, without any concern for the elemental life forces. The task is to be able to use both with wisdom, while doing the least amount of damage, while experimenting as to how far we can modify life energies, without destroying ourselves. Use radionic broadcast to enhance nature, gently and in moderation. Develop an awareness of what is going on around you, note the effects of your actions on all things, then one day you may be able to state that this/ or that are true. Through an understanding of the underlying principles of radionics and continual analysis of our actions will we be able to gain the wisdom to use radionics effectively without having the need to control the processes of nature. Go well James Hedley Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 4:04 AM Subject: OnT Does the benefit outweigh the detriment? Folks, It has come down to my attention, a view, regarding the continuous broadcast of the preparations using radionic devices. It seems there is a concern that broadcasting these patterns during 'detrimental' time periods (nodes and other Stella blackout periods) might be.well.detrimental
Re: Lab Analysis of BC?
Dear Allan, I dont want to be a spoil sport but surely you cannot say that a microbial analysis of a barrel compost could be considered to be typical of all Barrel Composts. All that it says is that is what the bioassay said of that particular test. Go well James - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 12:13 AM Subject: Lab Analysis of BC? Does anyone have a microbial analysis of barrel compost that they can share with the group? Steve, you had one done, did you not? Can you share your insights? Anyone else? It's not lost on me that I still owe the group one study. The time may be ripe for that again. -allan
Re: OT sort of
Dear Bonnie, Looked up your web page this evening. Everything worked and I will visit periodically. Keep up the good work. James - Original Message - From: Bonnie York [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: OT sort of Hello friends and neighbors, Okay, I've had my nose to it the last few days publishing a website. It's now up and running!!! There are a few nips and tucks still in progress, but it is online. http://www.TOASTNTEA.ORG The website is a sort of anti-war protest, but of course in my own special way. Bonnie
Re: CT=BDcompost,preps+Alaska humus, forest humus kelp
Dear Allan,
I agree with you on the use of compost teas that are just left to brew in
barrels. I have never used aeration.
It is imposible to tell what bacteria is in the mixes as it would depend on
what was in the mix. Seems to me that manure and compost teas have been used
for hundreds of years without compost tea brewers. I see that the more
complex that ypu make the techniques the less people will use it. Vote 1 for
the use of anaerobic compost teas.
Sincere regards
James
Original Message -
From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: CT=BDcompost,preps+Alaska humus, forest humus kelp
I will say this, though. Unlike Elaine Ingham who at least has the
courage
to defend her views in public forums such as SANET and the Compost Tea
list,
I have never seen Brinton or Bess do so, nor present a coherent argument
or
data in support of their critique where anyone could see it and evaluate
it.
I notice Allan also does not have the guts to flat out say in a forum
that
Elaine monitors, that he now believes Brinton and not her ('egg on my
face'
and like that). That's his choice and theirs, but it doesn't really help
us
understand the details of all this much.
Brinton has data. He has published two studies in BIODYNAMICS in the
90's If anyone has the one on Barrel Compost as an effective control
for foliar diseases, I'd appreciate it if they'd post it here.
When we get this audio streaming worked out, I have Bess'
presentation and Brinton's presentations to make available. They come
after the awesome Fred K. Community post - IF we get some
cooperation on making these files work.
Come on Frank, you're sharp enough to know what I'm doing here. It's
my job to bring ideas to the group, to keep people thinking. To keep
the sausage rolling in the frying pan. As you concluded in your post
otherwise: Don't believe me, but consider this when you're thinking
for yourself. If your pendulum is stuck, I'll be there for you. I'm
not a primary source, but I'm happy to give you the finger...I mean
POINTER to another, potentially valid, point of view. Let's hope that
people get out of the easy chair and put this stuff into practice.
If I can get you off from your well articulated duff and make a post
like you have, and hopefully the follow-ups to it, I've accomplished
what my goal was.
Making a virtue of Elaine's willingness to quibble in public forums
is rather questionable. Valid or not, I can assure you that it is
costing her a lot of respect in some circles. After a while, no
matter how brilliant a person is, or has been, reflective individuals
start hoping that person will start getting more sleep - - and
wondering how or why they don't!
As for myself, this is not a 'head' issue at this point. This is a
get out there and do it issue. (I will report that the best 'magic'
effect I've seen from compost tea to date was with a batch of three
week old almost totally ignored Will Brinton unstirred compost tea.
Man, that stuff REALLY promoted quality plant growth.)
As far as your worms, well, we can talk about that later.
Our aim is Religion, our method is Science Break out of the castes!!
Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
Dear Lloyd, It seems to me that Messrs York amd Brinton must be farming in some very good country to claim that any system must be able to produce reliable results year in , and year out. they obviously dont farm in an area which has any climatic limitations like we are at the moment.Last Sunday when we came home from the peace march temperature at 6pm was 44 degrees Celcius (110oF). It had been somewhere about that for the previous week, with gale force winds. Then the gale force winds became freezing cold, down to 5 degree Celcius (40o F). Quite a change. How can anyone claim that a productionv system has to be able to produce reliable crops when Australian farmers continually face this challenge of extremely variable rainfall and temperatures. Even if you are an irrigation farmer there is hardly any water allocated because it is not in the dams. As you know our area is generally acknowledged as a pretty safe rainfall area, average 800 mm anually. In the last 15 months rainfall has not reached 150 mm. I know that your farm has not fared much better. Under these conditions any improvement from the use of radionics is easily observed. The fruit trees are in the best condition that I have ever seen them. Particularly with no water since last winter. The grass in between the trees is non existent, just dust. The earth is cracking but the trees are in fantastic health. As good an advertisement for a combination of BD and Radionics as you would ever wish to see. Most of the stock on the mountain have been depastured to other areas or are on the road, scrabbling whatever survival feed they can find. On Sattwa Park even although to look at it you would wonder what the stock are eating they are still in very good condition. The major problem that we have at the moment is drinking water for stock and household water. I am sure that when it eventually rains we will see the recovery results from the use of Radionics and BD. Go well James Hedley. - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 12:28 AM Subject: Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts I'll just put this out here for comment: Alan York and Will Brinton both state that they have never seen or heard of claims of crops reliably produced (this means year after year, something that excludes many variables: repeatability) through the use of radionics, except by people who are involved in selling radionics on some level. First person ndorsements to the contrary are encouraged Hi Allan Hmmm crops reliably produced -year after year I certainly would'nt make that claim for radionics(on its own), nor would I support it for biodynamics(on its own), it certainly does not happen in conventional agriculture, no one way is reliable when taken in isolation, and isolation is the special talent of scientists - when we eliminate the variables to allow a 'valid trial' we also eliminate many of the mechanisms that allow nature to function properly. When I go look at the people that are making alternative agriculture work well in most cases they are using a broad range of tactics, and if not they are happily sequestered on a patch of specially good and fertile soil that forgives the mistakes. Away from those places you mostly find that a balanced combination of good basic soil remineralisation, stimulation of microbial activity, and energetics is whats needed for best results, BD or radionics (energetics) without the minerals is a struggle, likewise a mineralised soil low in energy, microbial stimulation (compost tea etc) without attending to basic minerals will crash and burn one day too. Of course we can always take the other road and adjust yield expectations downward to come in line with the low fertility - many wine grape growers do this with seeming good results - planting on a dry barren hillside and thinning the crop, ' stressing the vines' so that the low supply of soil minerals is sufficient to give high quality fruit and make top grade wine - the logic of this escapes me but it seems to work - I think differently - why not grow on a more hospitable patch - aim for better yield and supply the minerals that are lacking ?? My thoughts anyway Lloyd Charles
Re: Radionics and scientists
Dear Lloyd, Just a quick note on the results of the BD trial at Dalgetty. A short while ago Roger commented how the BD trial area had improved since 20mm of rain. He informed me today that due to the fires that are still sweeping down around Jindabyne they are opening up the TSR to 300 head of cattle for a month. Not bad for 100 acres or so that had previously been condemmed as some of the poorest soil on the Monaro. That is before we even start to use Radionics. It has only had BD preps and compost teas on it to date. Will keep you informed what is happening on the TSR. Roger is going to do a photo shoot within the next couple of days to add to the pictorial record of the trials. There is going to be an International Rangeland Conference at Cooma at the end of this year where there is a possibility of doing a presentation on the BD trial at this conference. However this is just a distant dream of two crazy characters who love to play around seeing what happens if we do this, or if we do that. We dont have any BD theory to defend, and it may be that by the time we are finished that some of the given facts of BD theory may have to be looked at again. Particularly on the use of BD 501. Go well. James Hedley. - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Radionics and scientists Allan wrote I noticed over and over again that as I asked Mr. York or Mr. Brinton about the effectiveness of one dynamic approach to another - - from Heinz Groetzke's 100% chicken manure tea to radionic application, each of them in their own way and own words asked 'Why would a person need that? There must be something fairly basic that is not right or you wouldn't be looking for something so extreme.' I agree wholeheartedly with getting the basics right first - but cant agree that radionics (or homeopathic use of BDpreps ) is extreme - opposite I would have thought - very subtle ! . I reckon using big licks of compost is extreme, accepting as normal, a quarter or less of commercial yields is extreme, growing plants under more or less continuous moisture stress to induce mineralised fruit is extreme, bombing a vineyard on a regular basis with elemental sulphur seems extreme, using radionics to remove the need for some of these tactics would seem to be pretty worthwhile to me. While I dont agree with the use of radionics to flog a particular brand of product I do agree with Gil that we should take notice of the results gained by professional practicioners after all does Alan York consult for free? Does Brinton do lab testing for free so as to remain unbiased ? I still think too that once someone (anyone) decides that radionics (or anything else) has no place in the system they become quite blind to anything but the most blatantly obvious result. When I posted on brix and frost a few weeks back Elaine Ingham just could not accept the possibility that I may have been right in saying that high brix in the crop sap rendered that crop less prone to frosting - no it was the microbes pure and simple, the critters did it by generating warmth!!, OK I maybe do have the microbes going better than the guy down the road, but I sure as hell know I had brix going way way better, It wouldnt have cost much to consider the possibility. I think these two guys above are a tad biased in their outlook and approach to radionics and (probably) homeopathic preps. These days when I hear prove it . I just say nah! you go look for your self. If the person has an open mind and there's something there they'll see it - if they're open to the possibility and cant see they'll ask to be shown, if they're not open no amount of 'proving' will make the difference!! Cheers all Lloyd Charles
Re: The Dalgety Project
Dear Roger, The land must certainly have improved since the last time Barbara and I last saw it. If it can keep 300 head of cattle on survival rations for even a month the work has been worthwhile. Go well. James - Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:44 AM Subject: The Dalgety Project James, the fire is pouring down the properties and backblocks south - south-east of Jindabyne, particularly around Paupong, and of course there has already been a lot of pasture burned out plus most properties are down to a couple of inches of water in their tanks. So the rural lands protection board is opening the Dalgety Travelling Stock Reserve where our project is. There's 300 + cattle going in there Wednesday for at least a month. Hope they like the water! Might even eat the lovegrass!! I'm scheduled to go there tomorrow anyway so I'll do a full photo scan while I'm there.. roger
Re: Smoke Alarm alarming
Dear Roger, I thought that it would be common knowledge in America of the use of depleted uranium in Iraq and Afghanistan. However American soldiers must be immune to radioactivity as they are going to send 250,000 troops into the areas where the depleted uranium has been used before. The veterans from the first Gulf War can testify as to the effectiveness of the use of depleted uranium. Should be interesting to keep the medical records of those soldiers. Pity even the poor technicians who will not know about the radioactivity of the areas around the wells that they will need to bring back on stream. but as Colin Powell has said he is not interested in those kinds of figures. The victory in Iraq will be a pyrrhic one when you look at the long term costs to the US. Our esteemed leaders who are holding a war conference next weekend will incur a karmic debt that will take them many lifetimes to pay off. Regards James Hedley - Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Smoke Alarm alarming Allan Balliett wrote: The other difficult thing to figure out is the US gov's push to dispose of radioactive waste by putting it into products. This alarm must be an example of this (the good outdoes the bad: radioactive waste is being 'disposed' of). I've heard that the biggest reason for the irradiation push was to use up radioactive waste. Now we are hearing that many of the shells dropped in yugoslovia and Afghanistan were radioacitve, made of old plutonoium ie Throwing our radioactive waste all over someone else's country/// Is this a green-lit fantasy, or is this what's happening? 'Depleted Uranium' they call it and, Yes, Allan, it's happening. A lot of DU stuff was used in the Kosovo conflict, quite possibly it is being used in bombs and missiles falling on Iraq now in the 'no fly' zone so assiduously defended by the US and the Brits.. Also I am given to understand there are 'No Go' radiation areas in some US and allied cemeteries around the graves of soldiers who have died since being involved in Desert Storm. Of course this is stuff we will rarely if ever read about or see in the mainstream media which is why it is so important to keep up with world news using other channels such as independent stations and papers and magazines of which GlobalNews is an excellent example. Unfortunately, until the bombs begin bouncing through their roofs or the SWAT teams through their front doors, the majority of people are not interested enough to turn away from their '494 stations from around the Worrrld on Your PayTeeVee Sets' to find out what's really happening 'out there'. February 15th is an ultra-important date in the ongoing tragedy of Planet Earth. It is probably one of the very few chances We the People will have to stop the war happening. If not the only chance. There will be a rally near you. Please go to it. roger
Re: to Jane Sherry
Dear Jane, I personally support you even if some thin skinned males think that you need to comply with their wishes and insecurities. Articles which you and Curtis forward help to round out the perspective that we in Australia are given by our government which has traditionally supported the US for the last 40 years. To follow the disinformation which has been perpetuated in the name of journalism/propaganda from governments all over the world leads to the insular perspectives that allow governments to subvert democracy as is being done now. In Australia we have sent troops overseas to support George Bush in his quest for world domination. The parliament has not been recalled to debate the issue as our Prime Minister, John Howard, declares that this is a government to Government matter and that it has nothing to do with the Australian people. The quote from Will Winter , When I lived in Alaska, almost everyone got a hair trigger attitude starting around January. After a while you learned, and nobody said nuthin'to nobody lessin' they were looking for trouble. We were all armed too (which does make for a more polite society)! maybe indicates a great deal of insecurity in a lot of males in the US if they need to keep guns to make for a more polite society. Is that the reason for going to Iraq, to get this trigger happy society something to do. Jane, just keep on reminding that there is a spiritual component to life and that man does not live by bread alone. You can tell when you are being most effective when you start to worry other members of the list that they need to shut you up. Just keep up the good work. Dont let them shut you up. Go well, James Hedley. What does- Original Message - From: Jane Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bdnow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: Re: to Jane Sherry Dear Happy Biodynamic specialists, I really do wish you luck in trying to promote/use/educate bd methods divorced from spirituality and the great big world out there! Frankly, I am tired of being the object of people's bull shit, anger, misplaced emotions or just frustration because I have this idea that bd is part of a larger whole. I am tired of trying to explain myself and why I feel it necessary to sometimes forward posts from GlobalNews and other sources which touch on spirituality, drought, politics and war from around the world. Here in the northern hemisphere, it is winter, and usually there is a lot of conversation on this list. I don't know what's up other than the pervasive fear and paranoia that my government so successfully is spreading around. I really felt that woman journalist's piece to be totally germaine to our conversations on bdnow, because she put a human face on people, yes PEOPLE who our government is intent on demonizing. War is complex, it is never black and white. People who are our so called enemies, are still human, with spirits, souls, families and complicated life situations. Wouldn't it be nice if the US would lift the embargo so that Iraqi children and their parents could receive much needed medicines and food, especially now that we have spent umpty years polluting their country with plutonium and god only knows what else? Perhaps that would inspire their leaders to give up their weapons. Wouldn't it be nice if the embargo against me were lifted so I didn't have to process all your ire? Believe it or not, Will and the many others who no doubt complain to Allan and me on this list, I actually choose very carefully the posts I send in to bdnow. I usually (or try to) even include the OT (off topic) in the subject header even though, in my world, these posts are NOT OFF TOPIC. If you're here to only learn bd, so be it. I'm really over this stuff. For those of you who know how to use a delete key, or have a faster connection feel free to contact me privately, and I'll send you subscription info to be on the free GlobalNews mailing list which can also be accessed on the web, if you don't want all the messages coming into your mailbox. So, stay in your special bd list, your special bd world, and keep wondering how to get those ideas out in the world. Sorry, Allan, but I do have other things going on in my life, and for now, I am over and out. Call me a lurker. Jane Sherry From: Will Winter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:00:34 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: to Jane Sherry this stuff, which mostly comes by way of my ex-journalist-husband-who-reads-everything's- mailing list. If you can't tell, he reads really fast!!! IS YOUR REFERRAL SERVICE *OPTIONAL* ON THIS SITE? HOW MUCH WOULD I HAVE TO PAY YOU TO MAKE IT STOP! JEEZ!!! WGW
Re: Jane, Please don't ASSume you know what I read
Dear Roger, I agree with your sentiments wholeheartedly. James Hedley - Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 2:11 PM Subject: Re: Jane, Please don't ASSume you know what I read Will Winter wrote: IS YOUR REFERRAL SERVICE *OPTIONAL* ON THIS SITE? HOW MUCH WOULD I HAVE TO PAY YOU TO MAKE IT STOP! JEEZ!!! Do you think you are the only source of world news? That if you don't feed it to us we will remain ignorant? I subscribe to the NYT 7 days a week as well as the Minneapolis Trib daily. I get the Washington Post and Wall Street Journal at my club. I subscribe to several political magazines, I monitor many political, sustainable ag and nutrition sites. And on and on... I am not bragging here, I am just saying your posts on BDNow are FOR ME unsolicited CLUTTER and REDUNDANCY . Sorry. Will Well, Mr Winter, by your own words you are ignorant and you are bragging! The media you refer to is all main stream, owned by the multi-national press moguls who so effectively rule what most view and read. They are the reason the majority of your country-people do not have a clue what is happening in IRAQ and the other countries your government has subverted since WWII. They are part of the problem, not the solution, the problem which is going to land us all in WWIII if saner minds do not prevail. 'Global News' is a balanced independent produced by people who care about people, to whom the words 'clutter' and 'redundancy' probably have very different meanings to your own. Personally, I find your use of words in BLOCK CAPITALS strewn carelessly through your own posts highly offensive in their import that I need such emphases to understand what you are saying. Jane, I would not say I enjoyed your post about Yvonne Ridley because it is not an enjoyable subject, but it is a necessary one. In my opinion it should be compulsory reading for all mainstream journos if not the bushes of this world. As for winter, don't get your knickers in a twist, it isn't worth it! roger
Re: Lungworm update
Dear Di, I have been watching your suspected case of lungworm with great interest. I am usually reluctant to diagnose over the net, howeverI feel that Silica 60c would be of great assistance if the problem really is lungworm.Treating the symptoms is fine but at some point in the case you have to be able to get the worms to evacuate the connective tissues in the lungs.My guess is that the parasites have encysted in the lungs. Wherever foreign bodies have been encysted in the tissues you will find that Silica is the remedy. Give it a try and see how it goes. Sincere regards James Hedley. - Original Message - From: Di Handley To: BDNow Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 1:27 AM Subject: Lungworm update Kia ora Firstly thanks to those that have responded. I did a diagnosis from Ian Buckingham symptoms and then got the remedy in and today was the last day for it being cuprum aceticum. When I got to the runoff she was lying down and her breathing was very laboured. Not keen to get up soI administered the remedy 3 times with ten min intervals As of yesterday she looked to have improved but today ... Can they have more than one type of worm at once?I have got another dung sample which I will get anaylsed. I took one earlier in the week and when I checked with the vet they said it would take until Monday to get the results. I didn't do that as thought she would be better by then. In hope Diana
Radionic weed control.
Dear Lloyd, I agree on the point of ill timed use of 501. There is sometimes a tendency to become too enthused with an idea. Heaven knows I can do it all the time. When the work at Dalgetty is being discussed it is in broad general terms of what is happening there. Roger informs me today of many trials that he is proposing to implement, to confirm or reject the basic hypothesis that has been proposed on the use of BD50. What I think has been shown is that BD preps are not quite as benign as they may appear. There may be many applications for their use that haven't been dreamt of yet. Since Cheryl Kemp introduced me to Biodynamics a few years ago I have only began to understand the action of a few of the preps, and how to use them on our farm. What I find fascinating is how you can predict by use of radionic analysis what the likely result of using any substance will be. Remember on the Saturday evening at the Wizards conference at Bellingen when a group of us were playing around with your new Don Mattioda instrument.It was amazing to stack up the inputs and see the variations in readings from various combinations substances. It is certainly better to be able to try out a strategy and see if it is likely to work than to go gung ho and wind up with egg on your face. Wishing you the best of luck with your tests with weed control. There is light at the end of the tunnel. It is not a train coming but a horde of people moving out of the darkness to see how Agricultural radionics may be able to help with seemingly intractable farming problems. That is what you can hear. Sincere regards, James - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: Re: changing focus 501
Re: BD501 as a Weed Control
Dear Merla, I will leave this one to Roger but would humbly suggest that it is not a process to be usedf for as you say I would like to try pepper+501 here on our road trials. For one it was done with an African Love grass Pepper , with the action supported by the 501. Except Roger did not know what the effect would be. The last thing that I would like to see is BD501 used as a new super duper Roundup. That has never been the intention, The long term results of using BD501 indiscriminately would have far more drastic long term implications than many of the existing herbicides. Sincere regards James - Original Message - From: Merla Barberie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:05 AM Subject: Re: BD501 as a Weed Control James and Roger, Please post this in detail. I would like to try pepper+501 here on our road trials. Thank you. Merla Roger Pye wrote: James Hedley wrote: Roger may claim ownership of the Love grass technique but he cannot claim ownership of my title of the little wizard. Good evening to all. Regards James Nor would I - there is only room for one 'little wizard of Oz' in this neck of the woods. As regards the rest of your message, and Lloyd's, I shall try to find the time to respond tomorrow. However, I would like it noted that until I talked to Barbara this morning, James, I had no knowledge of your previous work with 501 and thistles. I have tried to phone you several times tonight but it seems the lines are out between here and there. roger
Re: BD501 as a Weed Control was Re: BD501 as Herbicide
Good work lloyd - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:25 PM Subject: Re: BD501 as a Weed Control was Re: BD501 as Herbicide James Hedley wrote The genesis of the concept that high potency peppers were able to destroy viability of weed seeds should be able to be found in the archives when I reported on the results of the years research work. This work is in the third year of testing and shows promise as a tool in weed control. There are many other posts in the archives regarding the development of the use of high potency remedies in Agriculture. Gooday James Just to add to your info above - we harvested some wheat - got a little more back than we planted - and took an economic decision to abandon some - easier to give it to the sheep on site than smash our equipment up getting it only to turn it back as sheep feed a month later - the point being most annual plants that germinate will find a way of producing at least the amount of seed required to ensure a start to next years growth even in very adverse conditions, natures survival plan is pretty good. We are two years into our program of peppering weeds, using homeopathic potencies that we make in our sprayer tank when putting out the liquid calcium / molasses spray (also aimed at weed control). Annual ryegrass germinated this year and because of the extreme moisture shortage it affected the crop to some extent, however the wheat and barley did manage to make some seed - more than required to replace itself - the ryegrass never got past the mid tillering stage, we had several hundred acres where it got to about three inches of spindly growth (lots of plants) and then died without even putting out a seed head, while the wheat went on to make viable grain. There are several nutritional tactics involved in this also but none of it is expensive or difficult to do. Potentising the tank is so simple its a joke, I have used one small vial of ash for all of it, the instrument cost about the same as spraying 25 hectares of herbicide. Perhaps there is light at the end of the tunnel? (or is that a train I hear coming?) Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: BD501 as a Weed Control was Re: BD501 as Herbicide
Dear Glen, Sorry I dont have a web page developed as yet. Hopefully some time this year. I dont see any problem with self proclaimed success. I expect that what I do will be successful. If it is not, then I will do whatever it takes to find out why it was not successful. Fortunately for us there is plenty of scope in Agricultural homeopathy and radionics to give the most fertile of minds free rein as to what they can explore. Isn't it great that we live in such interesting times that there are so many problems that we can put our minds to. Keep up the good work at some point the world will recognise the value of the pearls of wisdom that come from the mind of Glen Atkinson, Sincere regards James Hedley Radiasesthesia and Radionic Analysis Radionic Insect and Parasite control Bioethical Agriculture Consultant - Original Message - From: Garuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:44 AM Subject: Re: BD501 as a Weed Control was Re: BD501 as Herbicide . Glen, will you please give Roger and I the URL of the research work on your Web Page, or if it is not on it could we please have a copy of it, or is it commercially confidential. Sorry nothing written to provide re 501 as weed control. We did some work with Kikuyu grass on road verges in the early 90s. . Twas reported in the local paper at the time but was not successful due to the contractors lack of application repeats. I have played with other ideas and would be using something other than 501 these days, As described it speeds the plant up thru it growth cycle. There are other preps we have which stop the growth cycle dead in its tracks which would be more effective , once we get around to it. re ownership I agree that as soon as anything is in the public domain it is everyones -ala patent and trademark laws, At best one might get some credit for idea development if you make a loud enough noise, but ownership can only come through labelling/branding and keeping the details of your formula private ala microsoft. This has long been the loophole the BDANZ has used to keep me from publishing in their journal. Unless I reveal my formulas they will not publish anything about the effectiveness of my products. Some ethos about BD being a do it yourself practise. Farmers for farmers , watch out everyone else. They have not funded my work one bit ( actually actively discouraged support for it) so have no right to the formulas which funds it. Instead they prefer to tell their growers to use Phyrethreum for white fly than my BD remedy, which they know works because they did a surprise inspection on one of my client in 1992, when they did not believe his declarations. Strange but true. SO sadly we are back to privacy and secrecy if you wish to maintain ownership. A luxury landowners may be able to do without but alas us landless researchers have no other choice. re 'the silence' WHile there is always some scepticism about self proclaimed success, there is also not much to say often. All we can do is wait and see the outcome as time goes on. James do you have a website with research docs and pics avaialable? re research In the near future we will be posting the results of a trial done recently by Gill Cole of the efficacy of some of our remedies. Graphs and pictures included. (Just tidying up the titles on the graph.) There is no doubt potentised BD Preps work from this document. cheers Glen
Re: Kolisko; Agriculture of Tomorrow
Dear Allan, Count me in for a hard copy of Agriculture of Tomorrow. James Hedley - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:48 AM Subject: Re: Kolisko; Agriculture of Tomorrow Friends - I'll try one more time: Anyone interested in procuring a hardcopy reading copy of Kolisko's Agriculture of Tomorrow, please contact me off-line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll stop taking inquiries At the end of Friday of this week. Thanks -Allan
Re: lurking...security
Dear Lloyd, I have no quibbles with putting password protection on the archives. What I have a problem with is the concept that it will bring out these so called lurkers. Anyone who wishes to be part of the list is part of the list. Closing the archives is not going to make a fearful person less fearful. the only ways to overcome fear is: use Aspen or Mimulus flower remedies, Rock Rose to overcome the terror and then get on the keyboard and write. To live in fear of what may happen is to waste a lifetime. Regards James. - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: Re: lurking...security - Original Message - From: Liz Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: lurking...security Hi Liz, James, Jane et al. I think we've gotten many miles away from what this discussion should be about. I thought Allan's original intent was to do something with the archives that would encourage a deeper and more meaningful debate on the list, to make some of the posters of more serious and controversial material a little more comfortable saying what they really meant! Putting password protection on the archives will have absolutely zero effect on any of our access to it, nor should it deter ANY person that has any kind of genuine interest in obtaining information from the BD now list . Its a simple matter to get connected to BDNOW then go troll the archive. The only people who would be affected are the busybody cruisers that are there either by accident or to cause mischief. Using a password wont send the list underground! and was'nt the purpose of the original idea to improve and enliven the participation and debate. Certainly not a case of silencing anybody! Lastly how many of those 2000 plus hits are accidental hits coming from google searches for purposes other than interest in the list?? Cheers all Lloyd Charles
Re: LURKING was Re: Personal Security / Insecurity
Dear Christianne, Speak up loud and clear whenever you want to. James - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:48 AM Subject: Re: LURKING was Re: Personal Security / Insecurity Seems to me that the issue could only be resolved by a vote and I do not know how that could be implemented. I think that the preference for either protecting the archives or leaving them in the public domain comes down to one's personal value system. There are many idealists among bd-people, for whom the awareness of the wider social implications of following a bd-worldview and its political aspects and potential consequences in terms of political change is as natural as the practical art and craft of growing bio-dynamically. And these idealistically minded people value abstract notions of freedom of speech and standing up for one's beliefs very highly; it is part of their self-esteem to give that value priority. Other bd-minded people are more interested in the arts and crafts of bio-dynamics, and while they also value the abstract idealistic aspects, they don't give them as high a priority in the value system. The stance we take, what is important to us has a lot to do with our personalities. There is no right or wrong. Because of our different ways of thinking we contribute differently and that's good. So, I think, to repeat, because we are so different and this is a fundamental attitude/value issue, it can only be solved by a democratic vote for yes or no to protect the archives. I agree with the reasoning of the idealistic camp for lots of reasons, most of them have been already put forward. I understand also the concerns that lead to the desire to protect the archives and agree with some of them.Whatever the arguments, however, in the end it comes down for me to a value judgment of what is most important to me. And that is: don't conform and be silenced out of fear of being labeled as a certain person or for losing my job. I have contributed very, very little to the list, because I am still learning. So, far I have said nothing in regards to any political issues, although I appreciate them a lot. The reason for this that I am conscious as a newcomer and learner about not to usurp a bd subject list for political issues. But I am happy to write comments on these matters in the future, when they arise, if it is acceptable to this list, to support the politically minded people, because I am profoundly unhappy with the current social and political systems and I think that the philosophies behind organic and bd agriculture are a fantastic guide for changing the world to a more humane system or way of being, if you like. Christiane
Re: Personal Security / Insecurity
Dear Lloyd, This mail was not personally aimed at you. It derived from a sense of frustration that sometimes the most trite of subjects can keep the list going for weeks, yet when you mail on your techniques, which I think are part of the cutting edge of farming you are scratching to get an answer. somewhere along the line the farming of the future will take the best of all the technologies and synthesise them into a sustainable system. It is interesting that MacDonald's has quite a large war chest to find a sustainable system that is able to gain public confidence in their products, yet still allow for the supply of consistent quality and quantity. How do we as sustainable farmers develop systems that are able to supply enough quantity for even McDonalds, without supplying enough quality food for the general consumer. I suppose it depends where you sit when you view what is going on in farming. My aim is to develop systems that are able to produce quality food with the minimum of input. I personally have gone down the path of putting a lot of faith in development of technology based on agricultural radionics, as you have. A quick back of the hand check on the statistics of compostable materials world wide will show that if we were to rely on conventional organic methods, the world would starve, if it was the only method used. Biodynamics is one of many tools for soil fertility, not the only answer. Steiner supported the work of Eugen and Lili Kolisko on the use of homeopathy in Agriculture, yet when it comes to a discussion ofthe merits or otherwise of this research wer got bogged down in the protocol of how we were to discuss this. End result was that we did not get anywhere. It is not necessary for Agriculture of Tomorrow to be republished when there are many people on this list who have taken the work out of the realm of research and into a practical system that could revolutionise the way that we look at inputs into farming. Where was the replies to the posts about our work with 501 to reinforce the action of peppers? Where are the replies to Greg Willis's comments on the use of homeopathic doses in the Agri-Synthesis system. What about discussion of the implications of the claims by Steve Storch of the different bacteria which develop in compost teas in different moon signs. what are the implications, and what dos it indicate. Let us look at the bigger picture of what we can do together with the knowledge that we have as a group. As long as we consider ourselves weird that is how people will see us. Maybe we can gain some lessons from George Bush, he does not apologise for what he does, he just does it. We don't need to apologise for what we do neither. Regards James - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:23 PM Subject: Re: Personal Security / Insecurity because I do not contribute in the same amount as say Steve Storch or Lloyd Charles or whoever makes me a lurker and not as worthwhile a contributor as someone else?. Is Hugh Lovel regared as a lurker because he conducts a watching brief on what is going on through the list. Would you classify Greg Willis as a lurker? Hey James - dont know what others think but for me postings from yourself , Hugh, Greg Willis, Glen Atkinson, are some of the cream we get on the list - certainly dont think you guys are lurkers and I agree wholeheartedly eith your next sentence To categorise a list member on the basis of how much they contribute and what they say demeans the value of any contribution to the list. It seems that Lloyd keeps on with the same message on his weed control methods without very much comment or discussion of the pro's and con's of his methods. Do you mean here that I am on the wrong track with this or that it should be drawing more discussion from the list? Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Personal Security / Insecurity
Dear Roger, It is funny how small things and chance encounters can change our lives forever. Your trip to the organic conference seems to be one of those which are there for everyone. For me it has been trying to understand the logic and reasoning behind the current debate on the list about lurkers and active members I suppose that under the current terms of reference of dividing the membership into lurkers and non lurkers, or people who we need to be fearful of and those we dont need to be fearful of, because I do not contribute in the same amount as say Steve Storch or Lloyd Charles or whoever makes me a lurker and not as worthwhile a contributor as someone else. Is Hugh Lovel regared as a lurker because he conducts a watching brief on what is going on through the list. Would you classify Greg Willis as a lurker? Would you categorise Steve Diver as a lurker even although the information which he gives is spasmodic? How many times a year must a person contribute to the list to remain on it and not be considered as a lurker. Closer to home, the Education and Workshops officer of BACA Cheryl Kemp replies to mailings when she is able to supply valuable input that is able to help at the time. Sometimes she can go for months without commenting on any mailings. Does that make her contributions any less valuable? To categorise a list member on the basis of how much they contribute and what they say demeans the value of any contribution to the list. Many times mailings that go through the list are only of particular benefit to those who need to supply or obtain information. in many instances they are only of use to contributors in the US. The choice of whether to respond, or not respond should not be conditioned by whether you have been sitting on the periphery of the list as a lurker (so called), or you are a regular contributor Your statement to forget the science where Biodynamic Agriculture is concerned I hope is a little tongue in cheek, otherwise why would we be trying to develop new insights into the use of BD preps. As far as I know there has not been a great body of research work done on the use of 501 to support the action of weed peppers. It seems that Lloyd keeps on with the same message on his weed control methods without very much comment or discussion of the pro's and con's of his methods. How much commentary has there been from American farmers in the use of 501 to release locked up Phosphorus in the soil. Just a brief note to ensure that my name does not go on the official BDnow lurkers list. James Hedley - Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Personal Security / Insecurity Allan Balliett wrote: As you know, we are postulating a spiritual science here that operates beyond the perceptions of orthodox science. It is very very difficult to create a proof of our system within a lesser system. Having experienced the power of biodynamics in food and in soil, I have no need to 'prove it' to anyone. Having seen 'organic trials' conducted at the local ag research center, I have not hope for a proof of biodynamics under those circumstances. *** An unknown length of time ago a man on the road to Damascus was struck blind by an angel of the Lord. When he recovered his 'sight' he found himself going somewhere else with a new name and purpose in life. Allegorical probably but that is how the Bible tells the story of Saul of Tarsus which is explainable on a spiritual level but scientifically? No way. On a day in the year 2001 AD, a non-farmer, a person whose sum-total knowledge of agriculture acquired over 50+ years could be written in large print on a single sheet of paper, walked on to a grazing property not far from Canberra Australia and said This will make your grass grow beyond belief, and dropped a small packet of granulated brown substance into the farmer's hand. And at the visitor's explanation to his questions, the farmer's eyes grew wide with disbelief. But fortunately he had a sense of humour and, more importantly, a mind open enough to 'give it a go'. Now he has the best grass in the district and he delights in telling everyone how it got that way. BD is not orthodox science or spiritual science or any sort of science, it is traditional (or cultural or old if you like) knowledge coupled with the insights of Rudolf Steiner (and, since, others) and it is attitudinal. If any person were to accept for just one moment that humankind is a part or a component of the environment and not its lord and master, that everything we think or do has an effect on the environment, and that every other part of the environment has an effect on us, his or her life would change for ever. I do mean 'for ever', not just this life. NZ after attending the Organics 2001I cannot claim that the angel of the Lord appeared to me and said Roger, henceforth your
Re: Personal Security vs National Security
Greetings from the Land of the Wizards of Oz, A most interesting discussion but somehow I must be missing something. Where is the appeal to free the last person who wrote something and expressed their ideas about Biodynamics or Rudolf Steiner. What gaol are they imprisoned in Let's be honest about this the paranoia about censorship is self imposed. I personally do not see anything in any Email that I have ever seen on BDnow that could give any cause for anyone to be fearful of retribution. When fear permeates through a society as an organised act of aggression by either citizens, or the government of the day, it is only a matter of time before there is a change. The change is only going to come from maintaining the right of free speech and stoutly defending that right by speaking out regardless. Even although there may be fear about what may be, the reality is that the US Government would not set up a gulag type of establishment unless there was a mass abdication of support for civil liberties throughout the whole citizenry. It may be difficult to find positives in the affairs of the US at the moment but it must be remembered that the pendulum swings, from one extreme to the other. In Australia we are going to have to face our moments of truth when our Prime Minister decides to support the American government in a war in Iraq which is against the general will of the people. then we will see what the government does to suppress free speech in Australia. Jane Sherry summed it up very well The last time I looked, speech was still free in this country. If people of strong beliefs who work to change the world to a better and more equitable place, invoking spirit in all things on a daily basis are too scared to associate their ideas with their name, then I am greatly saddened. I am also saddened to think that the people of the nation that claims to be the leader of the free world have been cast into bondage without so much as a whimper. Anthroposophy and BD has survived through two World wars, umpteen regional wars, 44 regime changes by the US, and terrorist attacks. The teachings are still there as counsel for all. The legacy of the teachings of Rudolf Steiner does not deserve to have it's light dimmed by putting discussion underground to be discussed by a select few who regard themselves as the chosen recipients of this wisdom. Closing of the list to password members, and deleting the archival records seems to me to be a further extension of the censorship of government information. It would be a retrograde step. Regards James. R. Hedley - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 7:30 AM Subject: Re: Personal Security vs National Security Interesting thread, and the evolution of BDNow! continues. The archives are a tremendously valuable asset, and it would be a shame if they were not made available to those who truly have an interest in BD. The fact that anyone, with the stroke of a key can access them, can lead, as Allan has found out, to problems. I know from personal experience that this accessibility has limited my exchange with the group. The notion that free speech is really 'free' is unrealistic. I frequent the archives often. It seems that back in the innocence of the 90's people were more comfortable with the free exchange of ideas. The information there is considerable and priceless (especially for those new to BD). Seems lately there's been more 'global news' and less 'biodynamic theory'. Fact is, I believe that making the archives inaccessible to search engines is a great idea. The idea that a majority of the people in this world are ready for the 'whole package of Steiner and His agriculture is (again) unrealistic. So how do we go about it? How do we promote in depth open discussion, while making sure that only those that want it (and need it) have access to it. Four years ago I didn't even now that biodynamics existed. Thanks largely due to this forum, I exist in a different world (cosmos) now. But try to explain this to the average joe, one must be careful..there's a lot of ignorance and unreasonable fear in the world (especially here in the Bible belt). The internet is what it is. If someone really wants to see it, and they have the technological know how, they can access both public and private email. You can only prevent this by using snail mail. CD's with the archives for members of the group is a good idea. Ungoogling the archives is another thing that would create a more comfortable atmosphere for discussion. Actually the specter of some of the folks on the list throwing caution to the wind is almost 'scary'. Do it Allan. You know it's the right thing to do. Most of the people reading this are lurkers. That's OK, lurking is not a crime. People come to different lists for different reasons. How many lurkers out there were stirring and spraying before they came to this list?
Re: Perfect Orchard-Calcium
Dear Roger, You state, 500, 501 and the other preparations are miracles-in-being whose greatness, despite the passage of time, has in no way been fully realised. Similarly we have hardly explored the energies available to us naturally (and I don't mean fossil fuels). The opportunity to do so - indeed, I feel I should say 'necessity' - is upon us. From now until the bombs start falling, and never mind that the time of year or month is 'incorrect', make preparations for the future. After the last desperate empirical doomed-to-failure grasp of the 'western' nations at world supremacy is over, we will all be too busy chopping wood and carrying water! I think that you have hit the nail right on the head. As long as there is cheap fossil fuel, and most of the American people are prepared to sell their birthright and also the birthright of every person on the planet, for access to sharing the dream, of GW, Cheney and Rumsfeld and company, of total world domination there is not much chance for anyone who does not share that dream with them. There is not a single facet of life over the whole planet that the US does not try to influence or control in one way or another. For a country that started off with such high ideals and freedoms to set out to take the freedom of billions of people from them is for me incomprehensible. Is it only oil that the US is after or is it power over all decisions made by anyone in all facets of life? It will be really amazing to see what happens world wide when the bombs start dropping. To me the only honourable outcome for this war is George. W. Bush and Saddam Hussein to have a pistol duel in prime news time, with the winner to have a regime change in the others country. It would make a great New Years Day spectacular on CNN. Have a great Christmas and dont let the great American spin doctors stuff up your Christmas. James Hedley
Radionics. Was Re; Perfect Orchard
Deart Per, When you ask will Radionics help the perfect orchard, the answer is no! If you already have a perfect orchard you wont need radionics. To try to obtain a perfect something is an exercise in futility. As to your point will it help the soil, or the general well feeling or .Yes it will do all of these in the hands of a competent practitioner, but don't expect it to do miracles overnight. The better the physical and biological structure of your soil, the better results that radionics will give. As far as being able to give a broad explanation of Radionics I think it would depend on which school of thought you follow. Ruth Drown , one of the early pioneers of Radionics tried to write a brief overview of the subject and wound up at about 400 pages. I suggest that you search on Google or some other search engine for the key words Radionic Instruments 176,000 references. The Russian Academy of Sciences, somewhere about the same. Radionic Rates on any of the search engines will give several thousand references. Even a search through the archives of BDnow will give you a lot of information that does not need to be repeated. By the time that you study some of these web pages you will have an idea of how you might use radionics on your farm, or in treatment of your family. The soil that you describe will break your heart and your bank, but good luck for trying. Couldn't you find a better drained area on your farm. However if you are going to persevere with this project I would suggest that you use something like a D7 Caterpillar Bulldozer and rip the whole patch down the direction of the rows, to a depth of about 8 ft and have high calcium lime dropped down into the rip furrow. This method is common on many of the local vineyards in areas that have a hard pan subsoil. From there implementation of good organic farming practices, will get you away to a good start.The point to remember is to always work to enhance the life forces in the soil and atmosphere. James Hedley
Re: hey look at this
Dear Lloyd, It will be great to see how your experiment works out. No rain to talk of in the last front. Most of the mountain got under 2mm but we got 12 mm which dried up within 1/2 an hour of the sun coming out. Did you get any? Regards James - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:18 AM Subject: Re: hey look at this Thought some of you may be pleased that this crotchety ole, broadcaster addicted, non conformist - - - - - - - - ! Has finally attempted to do some proper BD We made a compost pile (WITH PREPS) and two BC pits last sunday - there was a mob of cows camped in our lane for a week - the gal that owns them is a cranky old thing but she loves those cows and has nursed them around the roads and backlanes for nine months of the drought, nice quiet cows with calves at foot, grazing on native pasture (dry grass at this stage), we got a trailer load of fresh dung the day they left - its an experiment - I guessed that the cattle had not been drenched or dipped for several months at least, probably not since they went on the road (there would have been no need of it) - our roadsides dont get sprayed much (nil in the last 18 months) - the compost pile is heating up nice already - so its looking ok for a start. The BC pits are the experiment - I've not made it before - did one pit with physical preps from the BD association (which were old but looked ok) but also stirred into the manure a set of radionically potentised preps - and seeing we had manure left we put another pit down using radionic preps only, stirred in and also inserted like you do with the proper preps. I guess there are several possible results 1 the preps were too old , radionics wont help , nothing will happen 2 the preps were old but ok , radionics wont help, we get one BC pit and some compost. 3 everything turns out real nice, there's very little difference between the two BC pits, and we have the start of a new idea. My energy and intent (of course) is focussed on number three Win, loose or draw, I will post the results of this on the list when its completed, (probably been done a dozen times already!) Cheers all Lloyd Charles
Re: What is Magic?
Dear Lloyd, A visit to Australia by Hugh to show us how he fixes Nitrogen from the air would be a worthwhile thing, without anything else that we may be able to learn from being with him. KNOW we can do a different agriculture with homeopathics and radionics, despite the fact that the market doesn't give us much advantage. Our slight advantage is that we know we can get our nitrogen out of the air and can make rain in timely fashion. Of course the ability to make rain, whenever it is needed, would be worthwhile attending just to see how Hugh can make rain whenever he needs it. In the meantime we shall just have to battle along and take what the gods give us. Kind regards James
Re: Droughts and rainmaking
Dear Lloyd, That certainly would be something to break the drought over eastern Australia wouldn't it. Just a quick note on rainmaking. When that front was moving through NSW during the last AGM and you asked that everyone should hold their focus on making rain. Well everybody held their focus on what was wanted. It was a great result. It didn't stop raining in Ballina for weeks afterwards. If 100 people can break the drought around Ballina I'm sure that if we get our order right it may just be possible to squeeze a litle bit of juice out of the gods. It could be an Association venture organised by Cheryl. It should not be too hard to muster up a couple of hundred members to hold a particular thought for rain over Eastern Australia at the same time.. Maybe we could create the rain that we all need. It seems that there is some correlation between what happens in the northern hemisphere and what happens down under. seems as if it is not that long ago that our friends in the central portion of the USA were having their own problems with drought and high temperatures. James
Re: Droughts and rainmaking
Dear Lloyd, At no point in my Email did I infer that you should throw away your Refractometer or pH meter. Even although I dowse, to me figures or readings from an instrument are equally fascinating. That is why at this time I am trying to make radionic instruments with very sensitive microvolt meters built into them to satisfy myself that I am getting the action from radionic instruments that I think that I am getting.. Rationalised testing of what I am doing has always been an aim of mine. To me it is not a case of working with blind faith. One of the great experiments carried out by George Delawarr was to radionically broadcast to a particular plant and measure the results on an EEG machine. It seems to me that there is a need for an accurate method of testing any radionic instrument to ensure that it is working as claimed. Particularly in the light of a particular article written by Peter Rheumkoffon the use of magnets in radionic instruments. It seems that only 25%of the magnets that were tested by him when he was part of the School of Physics at Sydney University. Quite a large numberof Rae Instruments were claimed to be defective because of the flaws in the magnets.. When we can work out a measuring method for any radionic instrument we will be able to fine tune the instruments.Just imagine being able to test the effect of different windings in a field broadcaster, or to be able to measure what the effect of the preps is from field broadcasters. If we can measure the field we can refine our techniques. I have a replica of a Ruth Drown instrument which if you rub your hands together to create static electricity and put them on the antennae plate you will get a reading in excess of 500 microvolts on the broadcast plate. What we are using with radionics is measurable. It does fit into the realm of EMF regardless of Hugh,s comments that his field broadcaster is not working in this realm. I know that the idea of being able to measure the intensity of the field from a field broadcaster is certain to raise the ire of some who would put radionics into some mystical, magical field. If what we are observing in a radionic instrument is a form of radio it must be able to be measured. You can probably put dowsing into the realm of radio as well. Have you ever tried dowsing with your radionic instrument instead of a pendulum? We dont need to wait to have an after dinner discussion about the use of radionics to make rain. If it is possible for Hugh to break the drought over eastern Australia I am sure that there would be many more people would pay far larger amonts of money than proposed by Hugh for successful completion of an atmospheric regeneration assignment. Kind regards James
Re: Pleomorphism/Orthopathy
Greetings Roger and fellow list members, I like your quote that the The Universe is infinite, therefore there are infinite possibilities, The possibilities are only in what we are capable of thinking, and then believing what we think. Do you think that it is possible that we are already living in this plane of life bearing worlds which you have hypothesised.. Maybe it is possible that we may be already highly evolved in the scheme of things. With our abilities to think and rationalise it is just possible that any problem that we create we are capable of solving. Each generation is charged with the task of repairing the problems which have been created by the previous generations. The real problems are not caused by malevolent people, but by common ordinary people committed to an ideal, whose actions sometimes turn out to be irrational after the event. Who knows what problems we will create with our philosophy of organic farming, just as we have created the problems around chemical, industrialised farming.. Only constant questioning and reviewing of the results will ensure that our ideals of good healthy food does not degenerate into just another health problem caused by malnutrition in our foods. If there are not a full suite of nutrients in the soil the crops will be starved, and subsequently the life forms which eat them.. The question becomes what is the best way to apply these nutrients, or to bring them manifest into the physical realm? Are we stuck with applying substances to the soil to get results, or is there a role for magic in farming? What could be more magical than putting manure into a cow horn, leaving it in the ground over the winter, then sprinkling it out over the soil. The only problem with this is that there are not enough cow horns in the world for this to be the system of the future. There is a real problem when we have to kill our sources of fertility just to get two horns to put manure into the ground. We can see so many problems it is difficult to know just where to start..To know just where the realms of spiritual fantasies,as mentioned by Hugh, begin and what is achievable. The middle ground that hugh proposes as being the message of Christ and the Buddha can only be maintained by mapping our course and being prepared to steer by our map. You cant have a middle ground without knowing where that is. I dont know where the middleground will be in farming of the future. Does anyone on the list have any ideas of what farming in fifty years time may look like, and how we will get there?. Greetings to Wizards from all over the world, from the land of the Wizards of Oz. James
Drought
Dear lloyd, It seems that now famous quote of mine about 75% needs to be qualified a bit. You talk about your decision to plant a grain crop in isolation, whereas it is only one of the many decisions that you will make in your life. Every day each one of us tries to fit their actions into what is their concept of the future. There are so many things that can determine the success of your grain crop, and mostof those are external of which you have no control over. You have attended one of my dowsing and radionics courses and have seen the range of knowledge that you are able to divineby just knowing how to let go of what seems to be the logical result. some of the questions you could ask about your grain crops could be: Should I stay in the grain business? What are the chances of being able to reach my financial goals or budgets? What else could I do if I did not grow grain? What chance is there of the drought running past the estimated time of breaking in April / May.? I estimate that the chance of another dry year in 2003 for Narrandera is 60%.For Sattwa Park the chance is 70%. By dry year I refer to below average rainfall. It does not seem to augur well for the future. Maybe Gil would like to make a prognosis of what the future holds. Dowsing can help guide you as to what the best options are. The list can go on for ages. If you can correctly foretell the answers to 75% of the questions that derive from this short list you would be miles in front of your neighbours. The one thing that I cant dowse is a foolproof method to make it rain. However I dowse that if I put Muriel Morrison'.s radionic kites around the boundary to keep the energies in the chances of getting a dry year on our mountain is 30% and for Narrandera it is 20%. I will send you the design for these kites which I obtained from Gil Robertson when he stayed at our place during his last tour of Australia. the big question to consider is how we stop energies from leaching off our properties as wellyou know that energy always flows from the highest to the lowest. It can flow off the farm to your neighbours place. What do you think Gil. Keep your chin up. Regards James :
Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps
Dear Allan, Sounds as if there may be a case for the use of radionically potentised preps in America if the USDA persists with the compost tea regulations. What is the use of 3x Hypericum on your crops. It is trying to rain here today so we will keep our fingers crossed. Regards from the Land of the Wizards of Oz. James - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:04 AM Subject: Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps Sorry if you read me wrong, Jane. My intention was not to chastise you but simply bring you up to date. No emotional energy here. I have total respect for Jean-Paul, which is why I was curious about why he would care about the physcial attributes of the preps. Your remark about 'political bruha' seems to trivialize the actual state of things. It is important to understand that if the USDA says that manure-based compost teas are 'dangerous,' it's not going to be acceptable to the customers of we non-certified organic practitioners to provide them food that 'shit has been sprayed on.' Anyone to steps in the realm of reason in regard to this will really be putting themself in jeopardy should any of their customers become ill for any reason whatsoever after eating a meal containing tea blasted produce. Let me be clear about this, though: the USDA is just discussing the sanctions on tea right now. This is not, as far as I understand, part of the certification rule currently. (Lloyd? Frank?) Ironically, I have been thinking of adding oat straw tea to my daily routine. That and 1m hypericum 3x daily for a few weeks. Thanks for the post, Jane -Allan
Re: Hated Weed
Dear rogerand fellow List members. Greetings from the Land of the Wizards of Oz. It really is an interesting phenomena that patch of love grass. The use of dowsing is a marvellous tool to add to your observations. Even Albert Einstein is reputed to have been a dowser who used his pendulum when he reached the end of logic. There comes a time when all the scientific training in the world can not explain an observed phenomena, at these times you need to reach into the still, silent voice within. How any one can farm without the use of dowsing, or the dowsing response is beyond my understanding. To be able to do comparative soil tests in the paddock, or to work out the potential effect of a substance before you use it must put you a long way in front with your understanding of the ground that you are studying. There must be many people on the list who have had experience with dowsing. What results have you observed, or what failures. Let's swap stories and see if we can make sense of this dowsing caper. Regards James - Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: Hated Weed Weeds? I've seen 'em all, mate, paddocks full of 'em - serrated tussock, gorse, fireweed, needle grass, blackberry. I've been farming here, man and boy, for fifty years! Aye, fifty years, nigh on. Weeds are a blight on pastures and a permanent drag on the old hip pocket. But this - well, I never saw anything like this before and that's a fact! The farmer (George) gestured at the narrow swathe of african lovegrass which curved softly from west to east across the undulating terrain. I remember when this paddock held - and fed - a hundred thousand sheep and cattle. In the old days, that was, the old droving days. We gathered them up here in the spring for the move to the High Country and brought them back in the autumn to be drafted into flocks and herds. Wouldn't feed a hundred now, never mind; maybe a dozen sheep, that's all. What do you make of it? His companion (Charles), a man of similar age, assumed correctly that the farmer meant the lovegrass. Forget it's a weed, look at the whole thing again, imagine it being dark instead of light, tell me whether it reminds you of anything. George pursed his lips. Well, I don't know . . . Hang on, a streambed, maybe, he said slowly. Yes, that's it, a creek - but I don't see how, or why! Do you? Charles nodded. The lovegrass is indicating a particular soil condition. Also a flow of contaminated water, I think, following an underground fault. I'm not a farmer, I'm a dowser. That is, I pick up on the energies that things put out - soil, plants, water, even people. He pulled a steel plumb bob on a cord from a pouch on his belt. Watch, I'll show you. This is a pendulum; it focuses the energies. Holding the pendulum over the centre of the strip of lovegrass, he said (for George's benefit) Show me the vitality of this section. The plumb bob began to spin slowly in a clockwise direction. I'm facing north, I want to know how far in that direction the vitality changes, The plumb bob stopped spinning. Is it more than one meter? The pendulum began to swing forward and back. Yes. More than two meters? Yes. More than three meters? The pendulum spun anti-clockwise until it reached a side-to-side swing. No. Charles walked north; just past the three-meter point, the bob commenced a clockwise swing much stronger and faster than before. George had watched and listened disbelievingly. You're doing it yourself! he charged. Charles grinned; he was used to sceptics. Have I ever seen you before? he asked. No, I came along a bit ago to ask about the lovegrass, I knew you were working here. Take this clipboard a moment, will you? Okay, just write on the top sheet what you had for breakfast this morning. Picking up a stick from the ground, Charles tied the pendulum to the middle of it. Hold your other hand out, he instructed the farmer and dangled the bob over it. This person is a farmer, he said, apropos of nothing. Did this person have breakfast this morning? The pendulum swung forward and back. Yes. Did he have oats? It swung side-to-side. No. Bran? No. Wheat? Yes. Did he have milk with the wheat? Yes. Did he have hot food other than toast? No. Did he have toast? Yes. Did he have a drink? Yes. Was it orange juice? No. Tomato juice? Yes. Did he have a hot drink as well? Yes. Coffee? No. Tea? Yes. The dowser said to the farmer Read out what you wrote down. Tomato juice, weetabix with milk and sugar, toast and tea. That's incredible! I thought dowsers could only detect water. There are different sorts. I detect energy, both water and food are energy. Coming back to the lovegrass, we've had the soil analysed within the plant growth and outside of it. In the strip it's high in aluminium, low in calcium. Elsewhere calcium is high though not ideal and aluminium is
Re: wider use of bd remedies
Dear Gil, No Monsanto are not hacking into my posts. Somewhere the bugbear virus has got into the computer of someone on the list.I have gone through my disc with Norton Anti Virus which is updated every evening as I do my Emails. I have downloaded the Security patch from Microsoft, the result was that there were not any infected files. I also downloaded the repair from Symantec with the same result, the problem is not coming from my computer. My ISP hwy has also monitored my Emails with no sign of infection. We think that the source of the infection could be someone called [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Today I had 55 Emails from all over the globe, including the Postmaster @Microsoft.com. If there are any members of the list receiving Emails purportedly from [EMAIL PROTECTED] with bugbear virus it is not coming from my computer. Regards James - Original Message - From: Gil Robertson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: Re: wider use of bd remedies Hi! James, I think Monsanto are hacking into you posts. Could you repost, please? Gil James Hedley wrote: Dear Lloyd, A very pertinent point that you bring up in your post about how we could get our message out about Biodynamics. Biodynamics is another tool amongst many which we have available to solve some of the major problems which we have created. Where the problem arises about getting the message across is that there are so many different competing solutions. The solutions to t
Re: wider use of bd remedies
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Re: Fwd from Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis(R) Certified Biodynamic Certification Requirements for Vineyards
Alan, What is this. Someproblem from your end I presume. Regards James - Original Message - From: D S Chamberlain To: undisclosed-recipients: Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:08 AM Subject: Fw: Fwd from Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis(R) Certified Biodynamic Certification Requirements for Vineyards - Original Message -From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Monday, 13 November 2000 11:54 AMSubject: Fwd from Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis(R) Certified BiodynamicCertification Requirements for Vineyards Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:08:09 -0800 From: Greg Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Agri-Synthesis, Inc. X-Accept-Language: en To: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hugh Lovel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Agri-Synthesis(R) Certified Biodynamic CertificationRequirements for Vineyards Dear Hugh and Allan, These are the Agri-Synthesis(R) Certified Biodynamic Certification Requirements for Grapes and Vineyards. We consider them the toughest in the world. Agri-Synthesis(R) not only certifies the procedures and practices, we inspect the crop at harvest. This second level of inspection and assurance is not available through Demeter and we believe is the higher standard of quality and excellence consumers and our clients want. We believe that once people see, experience and understand that Agri-Synthesis(R) Certified Biodynami
Re: Soil Test
Dear Liz,
Seems like a pretty interesting soil. I have been watching the posts of all
the experts on the subject, however I feel that there are some points that
they may have missed because of lack of local knowledge.
The soil that you describe common around the area going back into Hampton,
and down around Cox's Creek , and on the Eastern side of the highway at
Little Hartley. It is also common around Kandos and Rylstone.
The soil is derived from a limestone/dolomite geological base which
underlies the the volcanic cap. The volcanics are probably very rich in
Magnesium. These types of small creek flat areas can turn up in the middle
of a dense forest, there is just a clearing in the forest where trees wont
grow.
The other point that was not mentioned is that the soil would obviously be
diamagnetic. Basalt dust will help to increase the paramagnetism of the
soil.
Any trees to do well require to be the opposite polarity of the soil . is
the soil positive, neutral or negative charge. You will need to select trees
that have the opposite charge.
Get your pendulum out, and check whether you get a positive or negative
reading on the soil and on the proposed plants. They must be opposite
charge.
How is your course going at OAC. I obtained my Bachelor of Man.{Hort] from
there. If there is anything that I can help you or your friend with just
contact me off line.
I would like to get a sample of the soil to test and see what I can come up
with. As you probably know I come from Running Stream which is not very far
from you.
Regards
James
Radiasesthesia and Radionic Analysis
Radionic Insect and Parasite control
Bioethical Agriculture Consultant
- Original Message -
From: Liz Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: Soil Test
Hi Robin
I'd thought of the wood chips/leaf twig litter but thought I may be
going
off on a personal tangent.
Worms were evident when planting trees. The penetrometer was buried to
its
full depth. The geology is the edge of a basalt plateau, which was
cleared
in 1860. In the last 18 yrs there has only been grazing of sheep, with
that
rarely occurring in the last 10 yrs. The front of the property (on main
highway) was tested for heavy metals and they were found to be low, there
were no heavy metal tests for the tree paddock. Native trees is the aim
for
this paddock, Casurinas to be specific. Severe frosts for at least 6
months
of the year, rainfall average of 800ml. and wicked winds which power one
of
Australia's largest wind generator projects.
As for evidence of plants, most of the 700 trees planted have died.
thanks for your time on this Robin, hope this info has been more helpful.
LL
Liz
on 30/9/02 7:11 AM, Robin Duchesneau at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Liz,
It is difficult to advise based solely from the soil test numbers below.
A
better soil test is by looking at the performance of plants, and
searching
for macro-and micro-organisms (worms are the easiest bioindicator). A
pH 7
seems good for most crops (interesting for a forest soils), NPK is
about
1:10:100. Low N, high P; good for flowers. Do you have more
information on
the history of the site? What's the geology of the site? Any past
contamination's? What does your friend want to grow?
Do you remember the BDNow posts on wood chips? Perhaps your friend
could
benefit from these discussions. In a nut shell, she could chip some
twigs
(only from small branches) from the deciduous trees and incorporate a
thin
layer in the top soil. This method has been showed to produce excellent
vegetable crops. It provides a good substrate and source of C/N for
soil
microorganisms.
Regard
Robin
- Original Message -
From: Liz Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 septembre, 2002 15:02
Subject: Soil Test
Greetings All,
A friend of mine (not on the net) is wanting to start BD on her 10
acres
of
native trees and raspberries. The soil in the tree paddock is like
nothing
the Perry lab has seen. Although I've learnt about soils, I do not have
the
BD knowledge yet to help her with this difficult soil.
Soil ResultsBlack soil
TEC 16.99 pH 7 N 90 sulphates 4 phosp 57 Ca 2426 31.79%
Mg 2628 57.4% Pot 528 3.55% sod 2.87 iron 1000, zinc 4.6 Boron.7
If anyone can comment it would be appreciated, Steph is keen to start
working on it ASAP.
Thanks for your time
LL
Liz
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Re: Peppering
Dear Alan, Greetings from the Land of the Wizards of Oz. Peppering is such a complex subject that it is difficult to cover in a few lines or even a few pages. The only way to learn about peppering is to do it. The worst that can happen is that it does not work for you. There are maybe some common rules that we have learnt; [1] There are no rules. [2] Plants grown under good cultural conditions seem to resist insects. [3]Whatever you do, you need to do it in a barren moon, preferrably in a fire sign Sagitariius, Aries, or Leo. Burn it, start it decomposing, sometimes even just squashing the insect at that time. [4] Spray out and potentise your pepper during a fire sign moon. Use Llewellyns calendar not the BD calendar, they work on different zodiacs. [5] It is the intensity of the bio electromagnetic field that you broadcast that makes the difference. The strength of the magnetic field in the instrument makes the difference, not so much the pepper. [6] Insects are easy to do, weeds are more complex. I use the fire sign moons because I know that I can consistently get it to work for me. However with all the experience that Barbara and I have developed over the years, peppering is a line of last resort and is not to be relied upon. Use peppering as a preventative method before there is a problem, you know if you grow something in a particular area what your problems are going to be. This is just to start the discussion rolling again. Regards James. - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 7:09 AM Subject: Re: Peppering - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:32 PM Subject: Peppering Glen, Lloyd, et al - Over the years I've run into more and more farmers who simply make peppers whenever they collect 'enough pests.' They do this without concern for celestial aspects. All that have reported to me have been successful beyond their expectations. Ignoring these good results, as is often the limitation of my own logic, I have to ask if you folks only pepper according to Steiner's instructions for planetary position or if you've found that the peppers are effective made most any time. Thanks -Allan Hi Allan I am a novice and my experience limited Insect peppers made by decomposing the insect rather than burning (this is in Agriculture chapter six) have worked really well for me with no regard to timing. But small areas treated and the critters only had to move. Weed peppers - I have made the ash per Steiner or by dowsing for the appropriate timing - I then apply these when it fits with my field operations - I use liquid calcium molasses also to deter weeds and will potentise the spray tank with the ash of the major weed for that paddock, also do this when I foliar feed. All of my physical application stuff goes out potentised - D8 for starters - or I'll dowse it and sometimes go way up the scale - I'm shooting in the dark here -Glen knows this stuff!! After two years I think I can see some effects on weeds in crops - do we want total elimination?? If yes then we better be on the ball to replace those plants with something more desirable before nature does the job with a tougher weed!! Arthur Daikin used neat ash of mustard weed down the seeder tube with the wheat when he planted, the photos of the crop were convincing. I have used a field broadcaster on silverleaf nightshade and got a detrimental (to the weed) effect you could see with a 36 hour broadcast. There are many many variables - Maria Thun advised grinding the ash for a full hour in the mortar and pestle before potentising, I think the intent of the person doing the work definitely has an effect. I collect and store material for peppering at every opportunity - bugs and weed seed are very seasonal and when you want to use a pepper will usually not be the time to be looking for material to burn or the timing will be wrong. I have wandered away from your original question but hope this is of some use. I hope Glen and also Barbara or James Hedley will come in on this. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Peppering
Dear Lloyd and David, I acknowledge having read your mail to the list. I will reply within the next couple of days. Sincere regards and warmest greetings James - Original Message - From: D S Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Peppering All: It is interesting that this subject has come up now. I'm currently experimenting with peppers and I wasn't going to write about it until I was sure of the results, but circumstance seems to say I should. Over winter I built a pyramid that I saw at the Wizards of Oz workshop, I think it originally came from James Hedley but I'm not sure. It is a pyramid frame constructed from 8 brass welding rods with very strong magnets mounted at the kings chamber height. I had a horde of monoleptre beetles attack a mulberry tree, this usually leads to odd trees being completely stripped of foliage, following Barbara Hedleys advise I doused what to do with the pyramid. As a result I put the pyramid in the orchard, put in a map with written intent and squashed some beetles in a plastic bag, within 2 days there was noticeably less beetles and a week later they were all gone except for the odd confused straggler, this is not proof that the pepper worked, these beetles have a reputation for disappearing, but usually they strip the tree first in my experience, the tree in question is in quite good condition now. Flush with success I then decided to try to fix our scourge of scale insects, aphids and leaf minors which always attack our roses and citrus when they sprout new growth and flowers in spring. Spring here is almost invariably dry and most plants become stressed until the rains build up to summer. This time the dousing said I could do it without the squashed bugs, so I just used the map and intent message. That was 5 days ago. This mornings investigation showed 2 aphids, the scale insects are drying up and can be easily brushed off, I think they are dying. As for the leaf miners, I can't see any new activity but then I never can until they have demolished the leaf. I am not claiming success yet but things do look promising. All this has been done without regard to times David C - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 28 September 2002 7:09 AM Subject: Re: Peppering - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:32 PM Subject: Peppering Glen, Lloyd, et al - Over the years I've run into more and more farmers who simply make peppers whenever they collect 'enough pests.' They do this without concern for celestial aspects. All that have reported to me have been successful beyond their expectations. Ignoring these good results, as is often the limitation of my own logic, I have to ask if you folks only pepper according to Steiner's instructions for planetary position or if you've found that the peppers are effective made most any time. Thanks -Allan Hi Allan I am a novice and my experience limited Insect peppers made by decomposing the insect rather than burning (this is in Agriculture chapter six) have worked really well for me with no regard to timing. But small areas treated and the critters only had to move. Weed peppers - I have made the ash per Steiner or by dowsing for the appropriate timing - I then apply these when it fits with my field operations - I use liquid calcium molasses also to deter weeds and will potentise the spray tank with the ash of the major weed for that paddock, also do this when I foliar feed. All of my physical application stuff goes out potentised - D8 for starters - or I'll dowse it and sometimes go way up the scale - I'm shooting in the dark here -Glen knows this stuff!! After two years I think I can see some effects on weeds in crops - do we want total elimination?? If yes then we better be on the ball to replace those plants with something more desirable before nature does the job with a tougher weed!! Arthur Daikin used neat ash of mustard weed down the seeder tube with the wheat when he planted, the photos of the crop were convincing. I have used a field broadcaster on silverleaf nightshade and got a detrimental (to the weed) effect you could see with a 36 hour broadcast. There are many many variables - Maria Thun advised grinding the ash for a full hour in the mortar and pestle before potentising, I think the intent of the person doing the work definitely has an effect. I collect and store material for peppering at every opportunity - bugs and weed seed are very seasonal and when you want to use a pepper will usually not be the time to be looking for material to burn or the timing will be wrong. I have wandered away from your original question but hope
Re: Altzheimers.
No Allan I dont. I always dowse for the potencies as they can change from time to time, and from person to person. James - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:19 PM Subject: Re: Altzheimers. I suggest that you look at Lachesis 60c as to whether you think that it describes the symptoms being experienced. James - do you have a materia medica that breaks things out by potentcy as well as remedy? -Allan
Re: woodchips/regeneration
Dear liz, You dont ned to worry about lupins when you study the research work of the CSIRO on unlocking Phosphorus with Silica. I have made many comments on this but it does not seem to be fashionable these days to use 501. Regards James Hedley. - Original Message - From: Liz Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:14 AM Subject: woodchips/regeneration Robin, Lloyd, Roger Gil Have thoroughly enjoyed all of your comments and knowledge on this topic. Most of which have lead to further questions for myself. Gil I would be interested to know how you are going about your research in this area. My thinking is not using sawmill waste, but more focused on the leaf litter, which seems to be an integral part of the Aussie bush. Leaf litter is in abundance in some areas which have not had fire go through for many years. Gil, does the fire kill off the fungi bacteria or does encystment occur? The life that I see grow from leaf litter cultures never ceases to amaze me, then to find out that we are only aware of about 10% of the bacteria fungi residing in Australian soils, makes me realise it is an area that is just beginning to get recognition. Robin has triggered yet another question. Seeing Eucalypts use a lot of phosphorous, is this not another solution to one of our major problems with our cultivated soils? Millions of tons of phosphorous locked up in our soil. Can't help but wonder would Eucalypts help that, or does it have to be unlocked before they can utilise it? Hence the research on white lupins to unlock the phosphorous. Have had heavy rain for the last hour, which will produce fungi of another kind, Slippery Jacks and Saffron Milk Caps for tea tonight. (Might as well make the most of the pines while they're here) Hoping the rain is widespread. LL Liz
Re: Field Broadcaster
Dear Louise, We have a rabbit pepper that you will find very effective without having to go down the path of a field broadcaster. Send an Email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will see how we can get it to you. You must live somewhere near us at Running Stream, halfway between Lithgow and Mudgee. Regards James Hedley - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:03 AM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster - Original Message - From: Louise Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: Re: Field Broadcaster Re: Field BroadcasterI want to keep rabbits off my property, away from my plants and out of my life...how do I make contact Hi Louise I have made some field broadcasters for people - but have not tried them on rabbits yet. Where are you and what size area are you looking to protect? Lloyd Charles
Re: Wood chips / regeneration
Dear Roger , The question of regeneration of the environment will not be solved by trying to lay a guilt trip on the present for alleged crimes committed some time in the past. The question of reduced organic matter content and fertility of soils is not unique to Australia. It is a world wide phenomenon that under the present systems of industrial farming there is a gradual reduction in soil vitality generally. In Australia a lot of the soil organic matter is continually destroyed by fire. The plants that have adapted to this fire regime in most areas do not require very high organic matter content. Fire was a great tool used by the aboriginal hunter/ gatherers, however it had long term effects on the lush vegetation that once covered Australia. To claim there is problem with the soil in many areas being less than 1% organic matter is not necessarily a valid comparison. I have not seen any records of the early botanists and scientists in Australia going out and measuring the organic matter of the soils and recording it. My guess is that it has been a long slow drop in fertility that thas been exacerbated by some of the agricultural techniques which proved to be not suitable for this land. The use of 501 to will overcome the problem of locked up Phosphorus. If you are worried about how to treat the problems of herbicides in the soil you should check out the CSIRO who are generally recognised worldwide as having developed many very effective strategies for this problem. look up Bio remediation on Google and you will gain great information on potential strategies for herbicide problems. Your point of importing plants that should not be here is fine in hindsight, however it is the job of each succeeding generation to repair the damage done by the preceding generation. This repair job can only be done by taking the best of what has been ,and adding to it the best techniques that we have today. You would have to admit this or you wouldn't be so involved in Landcare. We can never go back and set a period in time and say that at this point we will draw an arbritary line and say that the ecology of this area will not be allowed to change. It is impossible to take an area back to what it was at any particular point in time. Environmental impacts whether from fire flood or man create the environment allowing new varieties to develop. The environment is always a work in progress adapting itself to the changes in conditions. The question of how we maintain and increase soil fertility is different to the debate of whether we should plant a certain species in a particular environment. I personally gain great satisfaction in being able to grow a beautiful plant, whether it be an Australian native or a Japanese Cherry. I maintain 300 acres of old growth open sclerophyll forest with eucalypts up to 150 ft high with rain forest interspersed down the gullies. This is a very good training ground as to what happens in a self regulated forest, not one that has been laid out in nice neat rows. There is diversity in a natural forest with nature deciding what to grow where. Even in a self regulated forest it is easy to see the difference in the mix at different times. Species come and go, and then just as mysteriously pop up again. Each thing that we do has a plus, and a minus. To say that there has not been benefit from cloven hoofed animals, or cats and dogs is a very narrow point of view . Give credit to our ancestors for the positive things that they have done, and you will find on the scales of balance that the positives far outweigh the negatives. You cant go back,only forward to wherever that may take us. Most people have always done the best they can with the information that they have available at the time. Barbara and I are looking forward to catching up with you at your Landcare site at Dalgetty. James .- Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Wood chips / regeneration Just a few more thoughts from a rebel of a different kind: Lloyd, will you look at what you're saying? Bearing in mind that Oz is the driest continent on Earth and that before white settlement 200 years ago the native flora and fauna which had adapted to climate conditions over millions of years coexisted quite happily with the indigenous population? The first thing 'we' did was introduce hoofed animals to a country that had none. Also rabbits, domesticated dogs and cats. Next it was European 'heavy soil' methods of farming in a mostly 'fragile soil' country. When the soils failed to match up to or reduced below product expectations, we introduced superphosphates followed 30 years later by a fearsome array of artificial fertilisers, herbicides, pesticides and straight-out poisons. 'The local natives are not up to it anymore' BECAUSE we have 'seriously modified the ecosystem'. One of our most damaging 'modifications' has been
Re: planting extra for the animals
Dear Roger, I love the range of stories that you have to tell. I have had a similar experience to Jake. While there is no food about in other areas we have an agreement with the local roo's that they can have food out of the oat paddock providing that when it rained they left. Sure enough when it rained they have now kept out of that paddock. Regards James - Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 7:13 PM Subject: Re: planting extra for the animals mroboz wrote: Kent's comments make sense at least for some animals. eg. I had friends who always had a few vegies and a couple of fruit trees outside their most outer fence. They let the bears have the fruit from those 2 fruit trees as they never ate the ones inside the property. They didn't have any deer fences but must have left the veggies for the deer, who never bothered the veggies inside. Michael This is a story about a sheep farmer who purchased a property in the Southern Tablelands of NSW. The previous owner was BD oriented, had been running sheep there for at least 15 years. Three months after the new owner moved in, he phoned the other man to complain about the kangaroos which were eating him out of house and home. Wall to wall, he said they were, why hadn't Jake (not his real name) mentioned them to him at the time of the sale. Well, Jake answered that he'd never had any trouble with 'roos; they kept to their paddock and left all his alone. There was a distinct pause at the other end of the line before the new owner asked, cautiously, what he was talking about. That had been their agreement many years before, replied Jake, and both they and he had stuck to it. Anyway, to cut a long story short, Jake visited his old farm and escorted its owner to a paddock adjacent to a belt of trees well away from the homestead, in a corner of which a small 'mob' of 'roos was grazing. They all looked up as he called May we come in? from the gate but didn't bound away. This is unusual behaviour for these animals which generally take off at the slightest sound. He opened the gate and both men walked through and to the middle of the paddock, watched by the 'roos. When he figured they were close enough, Jake said out loud This is M. He is the new owner of this place. He wants to have the same agreement with you that I did. This will be your paddock as it always was. All he wants is for you to leave the other paddocks for his sheep. Is that all right? Apparently it is - M has not had any kangaroo problem since - they stay in their paddock and he and his sheep stay in his. roger
Altzheimers.
Dear Peter, In a previous post you spoke about your mother having altzheimers disease. Two things that may help you with treatment of this, 1] naturopaths have shown that proper hydration can stop the illness from deteriorating further. get her to drink plenty of water. 2] From a homoeopathic point of view[mine] in symptoms it is closely allied to Delirium tremens experienced by alcoholics. When Hering made the first trituration of Lachesis [Surukuku snake] he showed symptoms that closely resemble Altzheimers. I suggest that you look at Lachesis 60c as to whether you think that it describes the symptoms being experienced. contact me off line if you would like further information. Regards James Hedley. Radiasesthesia and Radionic AnalysisRadionic Insect and Parasite controlBioethical Agriculture Consultant BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Hedley;James;;MR FN:James Hedley ORG:Hedley and Hedley P/L;Bioethicals TITLE:Director TEL;WORK;VOICE:02 6358 8425 TEL;HOME;VOICE:02 6358 8425 TEL;CELL;VOICE:04 28 588425 TEL;WORK;FAX:02 6358 8425 ADR;WORK:;;RMB 662 Mt Vincent Rd;Running Stream;NSW;2850;AUST LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:RMB 662 Mt Vincent Rd=0D=0ARunning Stream, NSW 2850=0D=0AAUST ADR;HOME:;;RMB 662 Mt Vincent Rd;Running Stream;NSW;2850;Australia LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:RMB 662 Mt Vincent Rd=0D=0ARunning Stream, NSW 2850=0D=0AAustralia EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20020903T033202Z END:VCARD
Re: The Perils of BSE
Dear Peter and Merla, First to you Merla, good luck with your peace vigil. All change starts from an individual basis and the more that you threaten the status quo, the more resistance that you will find. It is easy for someone who is not part of a society to look from outside, view what is happening and then prescribe some magical formula which is going to fix all of that society's ills. However there appears to be one common element in all change against tyranny and aggression, everything changes, there is an impermanence in all things.. There is a feeling of powerlessness to change the system that is permeating many cultures and societies. Hindu teachings have tried to reconcile this struggle between the two aspects of creation, Vishnu [preservation] and Shiva [destruction]. It is the constant interplay between these two forces which eventually keeps everything in balance. Powerlessness is the point of equilibrium that contains the potential to go whichever way we as people choose to start the pendulum swinging. Everything that we do is added to the potential of changing events from one direction to another. in the end what matters is how we as individuals live our lives, and our relationships with everything around us. Everything in the Universe is recycled, even ideas. The same themes keep turning up through history. Listen to a politician, what he/she says is that which has proved successful in the past for leading the sheep to slaughter. Dont be led by the bell wether to wherever they want to take you. Rudolph Steiner saw when he developed the concept of the BD preps that the time would come when the food did not carry the forces to manifest the spirit. Many of the in the world can be bought down to two things, 1]Faulty nutrition in the food, and 2] Failure to assimilate the nutrients in the food. Fortunately in BD we have some of the tools which can help to overcome these influences. All that we have to do is hold our own lines in the war for the minds and hearts of the people. Regards James - Original Message - From: Merla Barberie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 2:29 AM Subject: Re: The Perils of BSE Hi Peter, Our Why Organic? booth addressed these issues. It was hard for me to come up with a response to the fair theme, Star Spangled Memories Uniting Bonner County because it's obvious that we aren't united and that people with a certain point of view want to force the other's into quiet submission. Do you remember this poem, I'm paraphrasing...He drew a circle that shut me out, terrorist, rabble-rouser and lout. But love and I had the wit to win, I drew a circle that let him in. When we put the Milky Way with the You are here. sign under the fair theme on the front of the booth, we were redefining everything. That is what Fred Kirschenmann did in his speech about community. What we are doing on our road is trying to do something positive about our whole watershed, while the logging trucks carry their precious cargo out down our road to a mill. Men in this rural community don't have any work. They will extract timber and minerals as long as the law allows this. Our local and state government in this state has been completely taken over too. Our local middle of the road Republican party was taken over by the far right wing who had help from the outside. How else did they suddenly have their whole voting constituency on computerized Get out the vote messages. The Democrats were left far behind. They would not embrace the environmentalists because they wanted to win, they said, and nobody would vote for an environmental candidate. We have a whole bunch of unrepresented people in this county, none of whom would join the Green Party because it's evident that the laws and practices have already been set up to make it impossible for an independent candidate to win even a county office. Our democratic American values have been taken over by a fascist clique which has turned the whole world against all of us and those of us who are not united are disenfranchised in a national election by the Electoral College system. The Quakers are having a silent peace vigil on 9/11 and we are announcing it in the local paper as follows: THERE IS A BETTER WAY September 11th this year will be a day of reflection, first to remember those who lost their lives a year ago and in the days following as we reacted with military actions in the Middle East. But this will also be the time for us to consider the best way to change the attitudes and resolve the conflicts that led up to the events on that fateful day a year ago. As the anniversary of 9/11 approaches, President Bush is campaigning to use this event as the reason to expand the present conflict in the Middle East by invading Iraq. Sandpoint Friends (Quakers) believe that such action (added to the cruel economic sanctions already long imposed, and the
Re; Regeneration.
Dear Liz,Ideally we could send everyone back to where they have come from, becauseeven the limited number of aboriginals were quite often on the edge ofstarvation. Australia does not have the diversity of native foods that wouldsupport you. Look through your cupboard how much native Australian foods doyou have. Do you eat kangaroo steaks cut with a piece of stone from a roothat you just ran down and speared?. Can you catch an emu and train it togive you eggs. How long is it going to take you to get enough wattle seedsto make flour.There are more native animals killed of a night by motor vehicles than everby feral cats or dogs.It is not very easy to be self sufficient in a country like Australia, withit's low rainfall and live in the one place. You need to go where theabundance is, for instance last month was the time for Bogong moths in ourarea.There was nothing else edible. You could walk 30 miles downthe road and catch some eels in the creeks down at Brogans Creek but firstyou would have to find some vines or creepers to make an eel trap. To dothis you would have to walk another 50 miles in another direction. It wasn'teasy. There were tribal boundaries and customs to be fulfilled beforeentering another's territory. If there was no food in your territory you just made do with what you had.If you starved that was the way of the world. Wecan have this romanticidea of how the world was, or how we would like it to be, the reality is that we all have to work with what we have.In the end the only tools that we have to implement change are those that we have now. From anything else we will starve. Regards James Radiasesthesia and Radionic AnalysisRadionic Insect and Parasite controlBioethical Agriculture ConsultantFrom: "Liz Davis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 6:19 AMSubject: regeneration Hey old Rebel and Roger, Knew you wouldn't be able to resist the nativeveg. topic Lloyd. Unsure if it is because I come from Canada, or just the beauty and uniqueness of Australian flora, but I find it very difficult to plant anything but native flora. Just can't beat the yellow wattle, the red bottle brushes, the grevilleas in their many forms, I could fill this page with the unique species of this continent. I agree whole heartedly that the sheep should go, along with the cattle,cats, pigs, goats, another list could be filled of introduced spp. Because we want something,is the very thinking that got this continentinto the ecological stress it now contends with. As much as I love the colours of Autumn in the European and north American trees, the beauty, and life that is supported by native vegetation far outweighs any colour seen in fall. Here I must admit that I do grow a few introduced species, healing herbs, apples, pears, almonds, olives,apricots, plums, raspberries and nashi. There are still times I question them. Lloyd when you speak of what has been done to this land I recall a photoin an article by J Jenkins; 2 children standing on the ground and behindthem is the standing root structure of a tree, the roots go above their headsand is an indicator of the amount of top soil that has blown away. Almost 2 metres in this photo taken in 1900. Ecologically LLoyd it is as Rachel Carson said; "...that all life of the planet is interrelated, that each species has its own ties to others, and that all are related to earth." The unique life, not the introduced life (sheep, cattle, humans) on this continent depends on the nativevegetation. We are still discovering new species, two in my region in the last 2years, with both being listed endangered immediately. All a bit late now as the slopes to this area are planted in Radata Pine. Native veg. will remove us from the edge. LL Liz BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Hedley;James;;MR FN:James Hedley ORG:Hedley and Hedley P/L;Bioethicals TITLE:Director TEL;WORK;VOICE:02 6358 8425 TEL;HOME;VOICE:02 6358 8425 TEL;CELL;VOICE:04 28 588425 TEL;WORK;FAX:02 6358 8425 ADR;WORK:;;RMB 662 Mt Vincent Rd;Running Stream;NSW;2850;AUST LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:RMB 662 Mt Vincent Rd=0D=0ARunning Stream, NSW 2850=0D=0AAUST ADR;HOME:;;RMB 662 Mt Vincent Rd;Running Stream;NSW;2850;Australia LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:RMB 662 Mt Vincent Rd=0D=0ARunning Stream, NSW 2850=0D=0AAustralia EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20020903T055248Z END:VCARD
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Dear Alan, It is happening to me now. like essie it was not happening before. James - Original Message - From: Essie Hull [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:26 PM Subject: Re: ADMIN: Attachent Automatically Removed Yes, Alan. Especially in the past couple of days. Initially, I wasn't affected. Now I am. Essie At 05:59 AM 08/27/02 -0400, you wrote: For those of us who are affected by the *** ATTACHMENT AUTOMATICALLY REMOVED! ** syndrome, here are the texts of three messages from Dave Robison: Is this still going on for people? Let me know at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll approach envirolink again. Thanks -Allan
Re: BD 501 (formerly Lime and Humus)
Dear Virginia, I cannot tell you yet exactly how Silica works in controlling thistles. When I do the list will be first to know. My suspicion is that the ability of Silica to unlock mineralisation has removed the need for the thistles. At present time I dont have any thistles on the farm to experiment with, those that are there are only small rosettes which are half dead. I suppose that one could test the mineralisation in the plant before spraying with 501, and then at various periods afterwards but I dont have the facilities to do this. Have a good day James - Original Message - From: Virginia Salares [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 12:55 PM Subject: BD 501 (formerly Lime and Humus) James, Please elaborate on how silica (BD 501)prevents thistles from growing. Virginia - Original Message - From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: Re: Lime and Humus Dear Hugh et al, Silica is the unsung hero of the BD preps. It was not until using BD 501 that we observed the real potential of the BD method. It even stops thistles from growing and what are left are being grazed out in the drought by the local colony of kangaroos, they know good healthy food when they taste it. You have maintained that 501 is an atmospheric prep. From my understanding you think that it develops the formative patterns in the atmosphere. That may very well be true but Silica has the unique ability of repairing functionally impaired cells by enabling them to throw off inimical substances.It also has in Clarke's Materia Medica [p. 1175]; constitutions which suffer from deficient nutrition due to assimilating power. Even if they never used any other of the BD preps in conventional farming the use of Silica to dissolve the phosphorus which has become bound up in silicates should be common practice on all farms. The money in the Phosphorus bank if released will save many farms from financial ruin.This has been proved by the CSIRO at Mackay during research work into the control of Orange Rust in sugar cane. A study of Materia Medica is important to get the feel of what the realm of activity of substances as could be seen from study of Silica.. One of the roles of 501 is to allow the plant to assimilate nutrients from the soil. Have a great day. James - Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:56 AM Subject: Re: Lime and Humus James, et. al., There's nothing like silica for making lime available. Read pages 30 through 33 of Steiner's AGRICULTURE (Lecture Two). Many, many low pH soils have limestone beneath them. The previous post (below) seems an inspired method for bringing up the lime. Horn clay should also be able to play a role in this. It might be a big help, particularly in sandy soils. I Florida where most of the soils lack clay there commonly is 60 or more feet (20 meters or so) of sand at the surface and beneath that are limestone and phosphate deposits. This is the result of lime and phosphate filtering down through the sand over the eons in this high rainfall climate. This happens particularly in winter when minerals have the greatest tendency to crystalize and precipitate. In Steiner's words, . . . if we are dealing with a soil that does not carry these influences upward during the winter as it should, it is good to furnish the soil with some clay, the dosage of which I will indicate later. As many of us know, Steiner did not later indicate this dosage, nor any more than barely hint at how it might be prepared or administered. There is a brief mention in Lecture Four, page 74 of using orthoclase or feldspar, which are parent materials for clay, to make the horn silica remedy, and (I haven't found it now, it may have been in one of the discussions) he also mentioned capping off the open end of the horn with clay. Presumably had Steiner lived longer this would have come out. Now, however, we are faced with progressive farmers experimenting with horn clay while stricter Steiner preservationists cry, Steiner didn't say that. and That's not BD! Personally I don't care what we call it as long as we elucidate the scientific principles Steiner tried to open our eyes to. On one very well run Australian farm in New South Wales the farmer was showing me a stratum of sandy limestone an inch or two thick that was exposed in a gully and was a meter or a little less below the surface of the field. That didn't used to be there when I was a kid. he said. Well, you may imagine NSW, with its occasional heavy rains, could leach the lime out of the topsoil and carry it down that far before it hardened into stone. If this happened repeatedly just
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learnt from his experience you would still not have that innate grasp of homoeopathy that comes from experience. Potentisation can never be a cook book science. You will develop a feel for the essence of what you are trying to do, the next thing is to experiment in the same way as the Kolisko's did. There is never an easy way of gaining knowledge. Second hand knowledge without a feel for the subject can lead many a person into strife because the experimenter can affect the outcome of the experiment. I hope that this post will stimulate some discussion of methods and techniques of agricultural radionics. Sincere regards from the Land of the Wizards of Oz James Hedley.
Re: RESEND: Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture'
Dear list members, For many years I have been an advocate for the recognition of the work of the Kolisko's. This research has laid the groundwork for modern agricultural homoeopathy. I believe that one of the major problems faced by the Kolisko's within the Anthroposophical movement lay in the fact that this research was competing with secular interests who were promoting the legacy of Rudolph Steiner. There was no recognition by their peers of the value of this research. To get the theory of homoeopathic dose accepted in agriculture, particularly in high potency, there had to be a development of an appropriate technology to potentise large quantities of material. This was not available at that time. What was the value of minimal dose when the basis of RS's Agriculture course was cow manure which was in plentiful supply. Steiner's indications were being interpreted by materialists who were trying to come to grips with a spiritual aspect promoted by a man who was so far ahead of his time. The time was not right for a discussion of spiritual aspects of agriculture. The people of Europe were trying to come to grips with the effects of a devastating war, the people of Germany were burdened with reparation payments, and physical wealth had to be rebuilt. In a way modern America is in the same position that Europe was in the 1920's and 1930's, you are trying to come to grips with such great uncertainty that it is only natural that there will be resistance from some of those who need to defend the status quo. This discussion to advance, will need to come to some concensus opinion of allowing the many divergent views on radionics to be expressed. Let us debate the issues vigorously, as even in Europe there is a need to solve the problems which have surfaced about some form of testing to ensure the freedom of disease which could be transferred from farm to farm by the use of BD500 made from raw manure. Radionically potentised BD preps have so much to offer agriculture, that their widespread use is only a matter of time. To discuss pot trials from 70 years ago is a purely academic pastime unless we also discuss how do we use this information and in what circumstances are the results applicable. Have a great day. James Hedley - Original Message - From: bdnow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 1:45 PM Subject: RESEND: Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' The following is from Agriculture of Tomorrow by Eugen and Lily Kolisko. This title is out of print and is reproduced here for purposes of education. Today, people in general are little inclined to detach themselves from the claims of the material world and to seek the spiritual directly in the physical world around them . . . It is, however, precisely from observing directly the sense-perceptible that a right path will open out for those who wish now to work entirely within the fild of present-day science, if they really seek to discover the spritual there. It can be done . . Chapter 1 INTRODUCTION It may seem strange to speak about smallest entities in agriculture, but it is absolutely necessary that farmers and gardeners learn to understand this important phenomenon. The problem of minutest quantities, or better smallest entities, was studied from 1920 in the Biological Institute at the Goetheanum (Stuttgart) and later on in the Biological Institute at Bray, Berks. The attempt to find a remedy for Footand-Mouth Disease led us to the question of smallest entities. What is the right concentration of the specific remedy to be injected? Rudolf Steiner suggested that the effect of different dilutions on germinating plants should be studied. From 1920 until today we have been studying this interesting subject. One might think that this is a medical problem rather than an agricultural one. Of course it is a medical problem in that we are looking for a certain remedy, but it becomes an agricultural problem as well if we study how the growth of plants is affected by substances which are diluted, or rather potentised. What does potentise mean? Exactly what the word itself expresses. In potentising a substance, we increase its effectiveness. We make the substance more potent. The strange thing about potentising is, that we have to reduce the amount of the substance which we want to make more potent. In everyday life we are accustomed to think: if we want to make something more effective, we have to take a bigger quantity. For instance, if we want to make coffee sweeter, we take a second teaspoonful of sugar. In homeopathy we are told just the opposite thing. If we want a stronger action from a certain remedy, we have to potentise it, that means dilute it with water or alcohol, again and again, in a rhythmical way. This is the first and most important thing we have to learn: to discriminate between matter and force. Matter can act in two different ways: as matter
Re: Lime and Humus
Dear Hugh et al, Silica is the unsung hero of the BD preps. It was not until using BD 501 that we observed the real potential of the BD method. It even stops thistles from growing and what are left are being grazed out in the drought by the local colony of kangaroos, they know good healthy food when they taste it. You have maintained that 501 is an atmospheric prep. From my understanding you think that it develops the formative patterns in the atmosphere. That may very well be true but Silica has the unique ability of repairing functionally impaired cells by enabling them to throw off inimical substances.It also has in Clarke's Materia Medica [p. 1175]; constitutions which suffer from deficient nutrition due to assimilating power. Even if they never used any other of the BD preps in conventional farming the use of Silica to dissolve the phosphorus which has become bound up in silicates should be common practice on all farms. The money in the Phosphorus bank if released will save many farms from financial ruin.This has been proved by the CSIRO at Mackay during research work into the control of Orange Rust in sugar cane. A study of Materia Medica is important to get the feel of what the realm of activity of substances as could be seen from study of Silica.. One of the roles of 501 is to allow the plant to assimilate nutrients from the soil. Have a great day. James - Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:56 AM Subject: Re: Lime and Humus James, et. al., There's nothing like silica for making lime available. Read pages 30 through 33 of Steiner's AGRICULTURE (Lecture Two). Many, many low pH soils have limestone beneath them. The previous post (below) seems an inspired method for bringing up the lime. Horn clay should also be able to play a role in this. It might be a big help, particularly in sandy soils. I Florida where most of the soils lack clay there commonly is 60 or more feet (20 meters or so) of sand at the surface and beneath that are limestone and phosphate deposits. This is the result of lime and phosphate filtering down through the sand over the eons in this high rainfall climate. This happens particularly in winter when minerals have the greatest tendency to crystalize and precipitate. In Steiner's words, . . . if we are dealing with a soil that does not carry these influences upward during the winter as it should, it is good to furnish the soil with some clay, the dosage of which I will indicate later. As many of us know, Steiner did not later indicate this dosage, nor any more than barely hint at how it might be prepared or administered. There is a brief mention in Lecture Four, page 74 of using orthoclase or feldspar, which are parent materials for clay, to make the horn silica remedy, and (I haven't found it now, it may have been in one of the discussions) he also mentioned capping off the open end of the horn with clay. Presumably had Steiner lived longer this would have come out. Now, however, we are faced with progressive farmers experimenting with horn clay while stricter Steiner preservationists cry, Steiner didn't say that. and That's not BD! Personally I don't care what we call it as long as we elucidate the scientific principles Steiner tried to open our eyes to. On one very well run Australian farm in New South Wales the farmer was showing me a stratum of sandy limestone an inch or two thick that was exposed in a gully and was a meter or a little less below the surface of the field. That didn't used to be there when I was a kid. he said. Well, you may imagine NSW, with its occasional heavy rains, could leach the lime out of the topsoil and carry it down that far before it hardened into stone. If this happened repeatedly just such a layer might form, and do so within one person's lifetime. If this can happen, who is to say it cannot be reversed, given the right application of dynamic patterns of force? It is not unheard of for soils to lose a point in pH in a year through leaching. So why not gain a point in a year from the opposite application of forces? Also keep in mind what Robin was saying about not withholding expertise for personal gain. As some know and others are realizing, we can apply dynamic patterns over large acreages with radionic instruments and field broadcasters, to say nothing of Glen Atkinson's method of using low potency homeopathic combos in high volume spraying. Such progressive methods are relatively cheap and easy and the more we do them and succeed the more we learn about how best to do. If all applications of Steiner's remedies are limited to stirring and spraying we will have quite a struggle trying to stay afloat on tiny islands of healthy agriculture in a civilization that is going down the tubes all around us. Best, Hugh Lovel Hugh Dear Daniel, Some time ago I wrote of how one of our members had increased
Re: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies
Dear Alan, Could the publisher put it on the web as an eBook. James - Original Message - From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies Hi! Allan, From what you say and from my look around the 'Net, it would seem that Kolisko's Agriclture of Tomorrow, is a work that would be good for us to work through as a group. It would seem that it is out of print, with the last publisher list it out of print. (At forty seven Pound fifty!!!). Could it be scanned and put on a Site, in whole or in part? And then at a time convenient to the leaders on the list, have some sort of protracted examination of the potency part at least. I think it would be good if as many as possible trialed the same potencies of our stock Preps and Cures and then posted our results so that as a group, we can build up a greater understanding of this very important aspect of homoeopathy and in our case, those potenising sprays and Preps for broadcasting. Gil Allan Balliett wrote: I posted the comment below in the hopes of stimulating some interest in posting and discussing the work of the Kolisko's through their monumental book, Agriclture of Tomorrow. Gosh, it didn't provoke a single rise. Is there really no interest on BD Now! in this most important work, which was initially directed by RS himself? -Allan
