Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust.... Block ID
The block is a 454 used from 72-75 in the Chevelle, up to 76 in passenger cars thru 76 and trucks until 79. Also used in the vette in 72. The 3919840 was on the 396 from 67-69 and on the 427 from 67-70. It is a closed chamber 106.8 cc head. The 3873858 was used from 66-67 on the 396 and 66-68 on the 427. It is also closed chamber but with a larger 108.9 cc chamber. If you have a question for the list, you should start a new thread to eliminate confusion. Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry -Original Message- From: jimmy brown gymratsbb...@yahoo.com Sender: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:51:32 To: The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! I need help on id #'s for my 468 big block i tried mortec but i cannot find them engine # 3999289 cyl head # 3873858 cyl head # 3919840 --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 4:09 PM Never had a problem in over thirty years, using Loctite vs. steel and anti seize. In my early days I spent a lot of time on rusted and rounded exhaust bolts. I do suggest anti-seize on the studs when replacing. Hand tighten is sufficient. Tighten on three or four even passes. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Rich Pruett Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:26 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! Retorqueing after thermal cycling is a good idea but not brass nuts, they are too soft and may strip out. The only reason a carbon gasket will fail is if air/exhaust is able to pass by it causing it to oxidize. I would take a real close look at your flanges. Are they lining up properly? Is there any nicks or any other imperfections in the mating surfaces that may cause mis-alinement's? You would be looking for any cuts or burrs that would damage the integrity of your sealing media. Tighten your bolts in sequence, assuring that you have a even compression of the gasket. Torque in increments 1/3 of the end result you wish to achieve and then once around to check. Whenever you touch one bolt, it changes to values of the other two. Hope this helps. If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy. Red Green - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 8:28:51 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! I never had a gasket fall apart. I suggest new studs, use brass nuts, and locktite. Retighten nuts after an initial warm up period and then again a month later. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of flesh...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:03 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! I am having a tough time keeping the donut gasket between the manifold and the exhaust pipe from disintegrating. After installation, it takes about 3-4 months of very little driving and they start leaking again. I have been told that there are metal gaskets (poss copper?) and regular donut gaskets with a metal tube insert that helps the heat/exhaust flow through with less stress to the donut. I have not seen anything like what I am describing and wondered if there was someone out there that had some experience with this problem that they could share. Thanks, Ed 70 Chevelle SS Convertible
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help!
I need help on id #'s for my 468 big block i tried mortec but i cannot find them engine # 3999289 cyl head # 3873858 cyl head # 3919840 --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 4:09 PM Never had a problem in over thirty years, using Loctite vs. steel and anti seize. In my early days I spent a lot of time on rusted and rounded exhaust bolts. I do suggest anti-seize on the studs when replacing. Hand tighten is sufficient. Tighten on three or four even passes. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Rich Pruett Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:26 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! Retorqueing after thermal cycling is a good idea but not brass nuts, they are too soft and may strip out. The only reason a carbon gasket will fail is if air/exhaust is able to pass by it causing it to oxidize. I would take a real close look at your flanges. Are they lining up properly? Is there any nicks or any other imperfections in the mating surfaces that may cause mis-alinement's? You would be looking for any cuts or burrs that would damage the integrity of your sealing media. Tighten your bolts in sequence, assuring that you have a even compression of the gasket. Torque in increments 1/3 of the end result you wish to achieve and then once around to check. Whenever you touch one bolt, it changes to values of the other two. Hope this helps. If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy. Red Green - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 8:28:51 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! I never had a gasket fall apart. I suggest new studs, use brass nuts, and locktite. Retighten nuts after an initial warm up period and then again a month later. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of flesh...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:03 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! I am having a tough time keeping the donut gasket between the manifold and the exhaust pipe from disintegrating. After installation, it takes about 3-4 months of very little driving and they start leaking again. I have been told that there are metal gaskets (poss copper?) and regular donut gaskets with a metal tube insert that helps the heat/exhaust flow through with less stress to the donut. I have not seen anything like what I am describing and wondered if there was someone out there that had some experience with this problem that they could share. Thanks, Ed 70 Chevelle SS Convertible
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help!
Retorqueing after thermal cycling is a good idea but not brass nuts, they are too soft and may strip out. The only reason a carbon gasket will fail is if air/ exhaust is able to pass by it causing it to oxidize . I would take a real close look at your flanges. Are they lining up properly? Is there any nicks or any other imperfections in the mating surfaces that may cause mis- alinement's ? You would be looking for any cuts or burrs that would damage the integrity of your sealing media. Tighten your bolts in sequence, assuring that you have a even compression of the gasket. Torque in increments 1/3 of the end result you wish to achieve and then once around to check. Whenever you touch one bolt, it changes to values of the other two. Hope this helps. If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy. Red Green - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 8:28:51 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! I never had a gasket fall apart. I suggest new studs, use brass nuts, and locktite. Retighten nuts after an initial warm up period and then again a month later. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of flesh...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:03 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! I am having a tough time keeping the donut gasket between the manifold and the exhaust pipe from disintegrating. After installation, it takes about 3-4 months of very little driving and they start leaking again. I have been told that there are metal gaskets (poss copper?) and regular donut gaskets with a metal tube insert that helps the heat/exhaust flow through with less stress to the donut. I have not seen anything like what I am describing and wondered if there was someone out there that had some experience with this problem that they could share. Thanks, Ed 70 Chevelle SS Convertible
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help!
Thanks guys. I have been letting the shop handle this part and it sounds like I just need to take charge and do it myself. I will repost once I have taken everything down. Ed In a message dated 10/18/2010 6:26:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, busted_knuck...@comcast.net writes: Retorqueing after thermal cycling is a good idea but not brass nuts, they are too soft and may strip out. The only reason a carbon gasket will fail is if air/exhaust is able to pass by it causing it to oxidize. I would take a real close look at your flanges. Are they lining up properly? Is there any nicks or any other imperfections in the mating surfaces that may cause mis-alinement's? You would be looking for any cuts or burrs that would damage the integrity of your sealing media. Tighten your bolts in sequence, assuring that you have a even compression of the gasket. Torque in increments 1/3 of the end result you wish to achieve and then once around to check. Whenever you touch one bolt, it changes to values of the other two. Hope this helps. If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy. Red Green - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 8:28:51 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! I never had a gasket fall apart. I suggest new studs, use brass nuts, and locktite. Retighten nuts after an initial warm up period and then again a month later. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of flesh...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:03 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! I am having a tough time keeping the donut gasket between the manifold and the exhaust pipe from disintegrating. After installation, it takes about 3-4 months of very little driving and they start leaking again. I have been told that there are metal gaskets (poss copper?) and regular donut gaskets with a metal tube insert that helps the heat/exhaust flow through with less stress to the donut. I have not seen anything like what I am describing and wondered if there was someone out there that had some experience with this problem that they could share. Thanks, Ed 70 Chevelle SS Convertible
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help!
I forgot to add, lubricate your new bolts. You can achieve a greater bolt load with the same torque value. Do not use Loctite. If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy. Red Green - Original Message - From: flesh...@aol.com To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:13:35 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! Thanks guys. I have been letting the shop handle this part and it sounds like I just need to take charge and do it myself. I will repost once I have taken everything down. Ed In a message dated 10/18/2010 6:26:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, busted_knuck...@comcast.net writes: Retorqueing after thermal cycling is a good idea but not brass nuts, they are too soft and may strip out. The only reason a carbon gasket will fail is if air/exhaust is able to pass by it causing it to oxidize. I would take a real close look at your flanges. Are they lining up properly? Is there any nicks or any other imperfections in the mating surfaces that may cause mis-alinement's? You would be looking for any cuts or burrs that would damage the integrity of your sealing media. Tighten your bolts in sequence, assuring that you have a even compression of the gasket. Torque in increments 1/3 of the end result you wish to achieve and then once around to check. Whenever you touch one bolt, it changes to values of the other two. Hope this helps. If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy. Red Green - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 8:28:51 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! I never had a gasket fall apart. I suggest new studs, use brass nuts, and locktite. Retighten nuts after an initial warm up period and then again a month later. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of flesh...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:03 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! I am having a tough time keeping the donut gasket between the manifold and the exhaust pipe from disintegrating. After installation, it takes about 3-4 months of very little driving and they start leaking again. I have been told that there are metal gaskets (poss copper?) and regular donut gaskets with a metal tube insert that helps the heat/exhaust flow through with less stress to the donut. I have not seen anything like what I am describing and wondered if there was someone out there that had some experience with this problem that they could share. Thanks, Ed 70 Chevelle SS Convertible
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help!
Never had a problem in over thirty years, using Loctite vs. steel and anti seize. In my early days I spent a lot of time on rusted and rounded exhaust bolts. I do suggest anti-seize on the studs when replacing. Hand tighten is sufficient. Tighten on three or four even passes. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Rich Pruett Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:26 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! Retorqueing after thermal cycling is a good idea but not brass nuts, they are too soft and may strip out. The only reason a carbon gasket will fail is if air/exhaust is able to pass by it causing it to oxidize. I would take a real close look at your flanges. Are they lining up properly? Is there any nicks or any other imperfections in the mating surfaces that may cause mis-alinement's? You would be looking for any cuts or burrs that would damage the integrity of your sealing media. Tighten your bolts in sequence, assuring that you have a even compression of the gasket. Torque in increments 1/3 of the end result you wish to achieve and then once around to check. Whenever you touch one bolt, it changes to values of the other two. Hope this helps. If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy. Red Green - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 8:28:51 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! I never had a gasket fall apart. I suggest new studs, use brass nuts, and locktite. Retighten nuts after an initial warm up period and then again a month later. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of flesh...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:03 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! I am having a tough time keeping the donut gasket between the manifold and the exhaust pipe from disintegrating. After installation, it takes about 3-4 months of very little driving and they start leaking again. I have been told that there are metal gaskets (poss copper?) and regular donut gaskets with a metal tube insert that helps the heat/exhaust flow through with less stress to the donut. I have not seen anything like what I am describing and wondered if there was someone out there that had some experience with this problem that they could share. Thanks, Ed 70 Chevelle SS Convertible
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help!
once i put a new engine in my car, and then put anti-seize on the studs on the lower exhaust manifold, and i too had the donut leaking problem, but it was because it kept loosening up due to the anti-seize. - which in turn then blow them out Harlan
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help!
I never had a gasket fall apart. I suggest new studs, use brass nuts, and locktite. Retighten nuts after an initial warm up period and then again a month later. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of flesh...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:03 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help! I am having a tough time keeping the donut gasket between the manifold and the exhaust pipe from disintegrating. After installation, it takes about 3-4 months of very little driving and they start leaking again. I have been told that there are metal gaskets (poss copper?) and regular donut gaskets with a metal tube insert that helps the heat/exhaust flow through with less stress to the donut. I have not seen anything like what I am describing and wondered if there was someone out there that had some experience with this problem that they could share. Thanks, Ed 70 Chevelle SS Convertible
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust gaskets (Donuts) Help!
I am having a tough time keeping the donut gasket between the manifold and the exhaust pipe from disintegrating. After installation, it takes about 3-4 months of very little driving and they start leaking again. I have been told that there are metal gaskets (poss copper?) and regular donut gaskets with a metal tube insert that helps the heat/exhaust flow through with less stress to the donut. I have not seen anything like what I am describing and wondered if there was someone out there that had some experience with this problem that they could share. Thanks, Ed 70 Chevelle SS Convertible
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust, mufflers?
Thanks for input on the exhaust,I just don't want something that sounds like a Mustang. I am looking at the flowmaster american thunder setup or the jeggs exhaust,not sure yet,thanks again
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust, mufflers?
Magnaflows are hard to beat! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:50 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust, mufflers? I am about ready to put exhaust on my 65 Chevelle, 327, hooker comp headers, Lunati cam, 4 speed.I am at a loose as to what mufflers to put on. I ran glasspacks on my 64, but that was 40 years ago. Now it seems as Flowmasters are the way to go. Any ideas or help deciding as what to use, glass packs or Flowmasters, and what Flowmaster would sound good. What do you think about 2 1/2 exhaust? Also, does any one know of any swap meets around Houston any time soon? Thanks, Darrell
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust, mufflers?
I have Hooker Super Comp headers with 2.5" mandrel bent tubing. H pipe with Flowmaster 40 series. A pretty popular setup, and for a good reason. Sounds really good. Not too loud, but not too quiet either. They really open up when I stomp on it.
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust, mufflers?
I have Hooker Competition headers, Flowmaster 2 chamber mufflers, and mandrel-bent 2.5 tailpipes on my BB. I had my muffler shop run the pipe between the collectors and the mufflers, just before it goes over the axle. The Flowmaster pre-bent pipes fit fairly well, the muffler shop was able to use them without any modifications, although they are tight towards the tires. Personally I am tired of the Flowmaster muffler sound, it seems as though every kid with a V8 runs them. I bought mine about 8-9 years ago before they got quite so popular. Devin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 10:50 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust, mufflers? I am about ready to put exhaust on my 65 Chevelle, 327, hooker comp headers, Lunati cam, 4 speed.I am at a loose as to what mufflers to put on. I ran glasspacks on my 64, but that was 40 years ago. Now it seems as Flowmasters are the way to go. Any ideas or help deciding as what to use, glass packs or Flowmasters, and what Flowmaster would sound good. What do you think about 2 1/2"" exhaust? Also, does any one know of any swap meets around Houston any time soon? Thanks, Darrell
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust, mufflers?
I run the 2.5 inch Flowmaster American Thunder Kit on my 327...Headersmediumish camSounds niceSounds really nice when you open it up!!! John
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust, mufflers?
I have chambered exaust mufflers. Stainless legal and swt sounding. Better than anything I've ever had. gm66 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dan Mascheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust, mufflers? Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 14:11:33 -0600 Magnaflows are hard to beat! _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:50 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust, mufflers? I am about ready to put exhaust on my 65 Chevelle, 327, hooker comp headers, Lunati cam, 4 speed. I am at a loose as to what mufflers to put on. I ran glasspacks on my 64, but that was 40 years ago. Now it seems as Flowmasters are the way to go. Any ideas or help deciding as what to use, glass packs or Flowmasters, and what Flowmaster would sound good. What do you think about 2 1/2 exhaust? Also, does any one know of any swap meets around Houston any time soon? Thanks, Darrell _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need.
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust, mufflers?
I like the Dynomax mufflers, might look at them.D.R. Jones[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am about ready to put exhaust on my 65 Chevelle, 327, hooker comp headers, Lunati cam, 4 speed.I am at a loose as to what mufflers to put on. I ran glasspacks on my 64, but that was 40 years ago. Now it seems as Flowmasters are the way to go. Any ideas or help deciding as what to use, glass packs or Flowmasters, and what Flowmaster would sound good. What do you think about 2 1/2"" exhaust?Also, does any one know of any swap meets around Houston any time soon? Thanks, Darrell
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust, mufflers?
I installed the Jegs kit. If you want pics send me e-mail direct. 3 with H-pipe, collectors on back. About $100 less than Flowmaster. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 1:50 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust, mufflers? I am about ready to put exhaust on my 65 Chevelle, 327, hooker comp headers, Lunati cam, 4 speed.I am at a loose as to what mufflers to put on. I ran glasspacks on my 64, but that was 40 years ago. Now it seems as Flowmasters are the way to go. Any ideas or help deciding as what to use, glass packs or Flowmasters, and what Flowmaster would sound good. What do you think about 2 1/2 exhaust? Also, does any one know of any swap meets around Houston any time soon? Thanks, Darrell
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust system 69
I have been all over looking for an exhaust system for my 69SS, I have found many company including Ground Up which supplies the whole 6 piece package., but I need a system that can go on a concourse car. Anyone one know who can supply the best package out there? Thanks Joe P.
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust system 69
Gardner Exhaust Systemsis the absolute best. There is no other company that even comes close for a concourse restoration. They are a bit pricey but their exhausts are exactly as original and they fit perfectly. www.gardnerexhaust.com Trooper - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust system 69 I have been all over looking for an exhaust system for my 69SS, I have found many company including Ground Up which supplies the whole 6 piece package., but I need a system that can go on a concourse car. Anyone one know who can supply the best package out there? Thanks Joe P.
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust system 69
Thanks again Trooper, I will call them tomorrow Joe P.
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust bypass gadgets
Cool Thanks, I tried calling the company for a price quote Monday but only got their answering machine. I'm anxious to try them on my GTO because it should be an easy bolt-on job. If things go OK, I will eventually get 3 Y-pipes for the Chevelle and install cut outs on it. Thanks for the tips! Do you have any photos of the units or the install? Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi , yes I am running a set of Quick times on my 461cu/in 70 chevelle and they are really great. No problems and they are a lot of fun especially at a light with a stang beside. I have had no leaks as I put a thin bead of TRV black and it works perfect. Those guys at Quick time are great and will refresh the motors every so often for a good price also have fun
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust bypass gadgets
Hi , yes I am running a set of Quick times on my 461cu/in 70 chevelle and they are really great. No problems and they are a lot of fun especially at a light with a stang beside. I have had no leaks as I put a thin bead of TRV black and it works perfect. Those guys at Quick time are great and will refresh the motors every so often for a good price also have fun
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust bypass gadgets
Here are links to both of their web sites. Both have videos. QTP has a video of a foreign car blowing apart on the dyno. That always seems to make me smile. http://www.quicktimeperformance.com/QTEC/ http://www.dmhperformance.com/index.html Enjoy, Steve
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust bypass gadgets
I used a set of the Summit pipes with the caps (#SUM-670136). Only took a few seconds to uncap them manually. I think the electric ones would be cool for a few reasons not really associated with performance. Performance-wise you still have the potential for a portion the exhaust to exit the mufflers by not making the turn at the cutout. On the fun side, think of the smiles you'll produce in your car the next time a rap-thumper pulls up next to you at a stoplight and rattles your windows or ricer starts revving his coffee-canned exhaust. GRIN Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1966/67 Chevelle Reference CD! http://www.chevellecd.com ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:48 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust bypass gadgets Hello, Any of you guys running one of those nifty exhaust bypasses on your cars. I'm thinking about putting electric ones on the car but I'm a little afraid to spend sooo much money to GET an exhaust leak (if you know what I mean). Summit has two types for sale: Quick Time Performance2- 2 1/2 electric units for $299.00 -shipping tomorrow and... DMH Performance 2- 2 1/2 electric units (without the Y-pipe) for $320.00 -shipping some time in November (WOW) Anyway, I was wondering a few things: 1. Are they any good (as far as quality/ leak-free) 2. Are either of these companies any good? 3. Anyone have horror stories or things to worry about? 4. Is there an alternative to these that are better? 5. I like the ability to be loud or not-as-loud. Is there any true performance benefit? I already have 2 1/2 exhaust on the GTO with Flowtech Warlock mufflers, so the bypass plugs are already in place. All I would need would be the electric solenoid units to be in the game. The Chevelle would need 3 units and Y-pipes to be cut in just before the Flowmaster 40's (which are already loud). Thanks, Steve
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust bypass gadgets
Hardest part I would think would be aligning the motor of the cutout so you had room to install it without it hitting the floorboards or dragging the ground. Of the two, I like the design of the DMH just for that reason, it appears to have more adjustability in the orientation. Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1966/67 Chevelle Reference CD! http://www.chevellecd.com ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:52 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust bypass gadgets Here are links to both of their web sites. Both have videos. QTP has a video of a foreign car blowing apart on the dyno. That always seems to make me smile. http://www.quicktimeperformance.com/QTEC/ http://www.dmhperformance.com/index.html Enjoy, Steve
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Tick in my New 350
Could be you have a leak between the head and manifold/header on that side. Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: Dennis McGillis To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 8:11 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Tick in my New 350 My 1965 Malibu SS-350went to the muffler shop to diagnose a ticking noise in the right muffler. When put on the rack it was obvious the ticking (while idling in drive) can also be heard along the pipe forward of the muffler all the way to the manifold. I guessed, particularly since the idle is not perfect,was that I was hearing a badly leaking exhaust valve. A compression check on the 2-4-6-8bank shows 135, 140, 130, 140. Thisseems too good to have a significant valve leak. It has a new GMPP Crate Engine with 500 miles since installation andthe tick has been there since initial startup. Does anyone have an idea? Thanks,Dennis McGillis 1965 Chevelle Malibu SS-350
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Tick in my New 350
Hi Larry, My stethoscope indicates no leak on the top side of the manifold-head interface, and I cannot easily probe the bottom. Maybe I need to do that. Thanks, Dennis - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse To: Dennis McGillis ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Tick in my New 350 Could be you have a leak between the head and manifold/header on that side. Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: Dennis McGillis To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 8:11 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Tick in my New 350 My 1965 Malibu SS-350went to the muffler shop to diagnose a ticking noise in the right muffler. When put on the rack it was obvious the ticking (while idling in drive) can also be heard along the pipe forward of the muffler all the way to the manifold. I guessed, particularly since the idle is not perfect,was that I was hearing a badly leaking exhaust valve. A compression check on the 2-4-6-8bank shows 135, 140, 130, 140. Thisseems too good to have a significant valve leak. It has a new GMPP Crate Engine with 500 miles since installation andthe tick has been there since initial startup. Does anyone have an idea? Thanks,Dennis McGillis 1965 Chevelle Malibu SS-350
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Tick in my New 350
It could be heat riser,it's on the right side. There especially noisy on a rough idling engine. gm66 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dennis McGillis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Tick in my New 350 Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 17:11:13 -0700 My 1965 Malibu SS-350 went to the muffler shop to diagnose a ticking noise in the right muffler. When put on the rack it was obvious the ticking (while idling in drive) can also be heard along the pipe forward of the muffler all the way to the manifold. I guessed, particularly since the idle is not perfect, was that I was hearing a badly leaking exhaust valve. A compression check on the 2-4-6-8 bank shows 135, 140, 130, 140. This seems too good to have a significant valve leak. It has a new GMPP Crate Engine with 500 miles since installation and the tick has been there since initial startup. Does anyone have an idea? Thanks, Dennis McGillis 1965 Chevelle Malibu SS-350 _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need.
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust
Try Magnaflow's Stainless Mufflers. They have a great sound and running through 3 SS exhaust, are fantastic! -Original Message- From: mark fellman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:35 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Thanks for all the replies! I don't think I want glass packs on my Chevelle, but, it's a thought. I'm just afraid that the Flowmasters have become the standard sound and I would like something different. How much does header choice affect the sound vs. muffler choice? Thanks again, Mark And Chuck, I would love to take you up on your offer, if I ever make it to Chicagoland. (I'm in L.A.) On May 15, 2006, at 1:15 PM, Chuck Speake wrote: Hi Mark, Mine is an original 70 350 with a few modifications, with no internal changes but it has a really nice sound. I have Sanderson headers leading to 2 1/2 pipes with 40 series Flowmasters and SS oval tips. I live in the Chicago area if you are within the same area fell free to contact me and come on over and listen or meet. I have gotten quite a few complements at shows on how it sounds. Chuck Speake 70 Chevelle Malibu Glen Ellyn, IL -Original Message- From: mark fellman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 2:53 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust I have a 71 SS Convertible with a 90's 350 motor. I want to upgrade the exhaust from the motor to the tips. I'd like it to sound more old school and I don't want it to sound like a new Mustang if you know what I mean. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Mark
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust
I've got chambered mufflers and they are street legal and are OEM on 69's. Pricy but are stainless steel. They are revtastic. gm66 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Clint Hooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:53:12 -0500 I agree with Dan. If my car had the room,that's what I would be running. Clint Hooper HH Custom,owner 1969 El Camino protourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger For Sale http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm You may find me dead one day in a ditch. But by God,you'll find me in a pile of brass. - Original Message - From: Dan Mascheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try Magnaflow's Stainless Mufflers. They have a great sound and running through 3 SS exhaust, are fantastic! -Original Message- From: mark fellman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for all the replies! I don't think I want glass packs on my Chevelle, but, it's a thought. I'm just afraid that the Flowmasters have become the standard sound and I would like something different. How much does header choice affect the sound vs. muffler choice? Thanks again, Mark _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need.
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust
Hi Mark, Mine is an original 70 350 with a few modifications, with no internal changes but it has a really nice sound. I have Sanderson headers leading to 2 1/2 pipes with 40 series Flowmasters and SS oval tips. I live in the Chicago area if you are within the same area fell free to contact me and come on over and listen or meet. I have gotten quite a few complements at shows on how it sounds. Chuck Speake 70 Chevelle Malibu Glen Ellyn, IL -Original Message- From: mark fellman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 2:53 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust I have a 71 SS Convertible with a 90's 350 motor. I want to upgrade the exhaust from the motor to the tips. I'd like it to sound more old school and I don't want it to sound like a new Mustang if you know what I mean. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Mark
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust
Thanks for all the replies! I don't think I want glass packs on my Chevelle, but, it's a thought. I'm just afraid that the Flowmasters have become the standard sound and I would like something different. How much does header choice affect the sound vs. muffler choice? Thanks again, Mark And Chuck, I would love to take you up on your offer, if I ever make it to Chicagoland. (I'm in L.A.) On May 15, 2006, at 1:15 PM, Chuck Speake wrote: Hi Mark, Mine is an original 70 350 with a few modifications, with no internal changes but it has a really nice sound. I have Sanderson headers leading to 2 1/2 pipes with 40 series Flowmasters and SS oval tips. I live in the Chicago area if you are within the same area fell free to contact me and come on over and listen or meet. I have gotten quite a few complements at shows on how it sounds. Chuck Speake 70 Chevelle Malibu Glen Ellyn, IL -Original Message- From: mark fellman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 2:53 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust I have a 71 SS Convertible with a 90's 350 motor. I want to upgrade the exhaust from the motor to the tips. I'd like it to sound more old school and I don't want it to sound like a new Mustang if you know what I mean. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Mark
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust
I have 3 stainless Magnaflow's on my 72, and its great, and has a nice throaty sound! Texas Quality Exhaust in Houston built mine and does wonderful work! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:47 AM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust In a message dated 5/12/2006 3:53:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a 71 SS Convertible with a 90's 350 motor. I want to upgrade the exhaust from the motor to the tips. I'd like it to sound more old school and I don't want it to sound like a new Mustang if you know what I mean. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Mark Nothing can make it sound like that, Mustangs have their own distinctive sound. Check out Pypes or Magnaflow. They have some nice systems. Tom
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust
You must be referring to the new Mustang Burnout comercial...sounds good but I wondered...is that really the sound...or is it modded. I haven't heard one on the street sound like that. Plenty of decent exhausts out there. 3 would be overkill but would give you room to grow. I've always liked the flowmaster sound but couldn't pass on the deal I got on a 3 Borla w 2.75 tailpipes. Walt http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm - Original Message - From: Dan Mascheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, May 12, 2006 7:02 am Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust I have 3 stainless Magnaflow's on my 72, and it's great, and has a nice throaty sound! Texas Quality Exhaust in Houston built mine and does wonderful work! _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:47 AM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust In a message dated 5/12/2006 3:53:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a 71 SS Convertible with a 90's 350 motor. I want to upgrade the exhaust from the motor to the tips. I'd like it to sound more old school and I don't want it to sound like a new Mustang if you know what I mean. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Mark Nothing can make it sound like that, Mustangs have their own distinctivesound. Check out Pypes or Magnaflow. They have some nice systems. Tom
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust
In the '50s, '60s and '70s glasspacks and turbos were popular. Long glasspacks give a low rumble, short ones can be loud. Turbos are not so low pitched and have a mellow sound. Dennis - Original Message - From: Dan Mascheck To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:02 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust I have 3 stainless Magnaflow's on my 72, and its great, and has a nice throaty sound! Texas Quality Exhaust in Houston built mine and does wonderful work! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:47 AMTo: Chevelle-list@chevelles.netSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust In a message dated 5/12/2006 3:53:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a 71 SS Convertible with a 90's 350 motor. I want to upgrade the exhaust from the motor to the tips. I'd like it to sound more old school and I don't want it to sound like a new Mustang if you know what I mean. Any thoughts would be appreciated.Thanks,Mark Nothing can make it sound like that, Mustangs have their own distinctive sound. Check out Pypes or Magnaflow. They have some nice systems. Tom
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal
Well, I finally got the sucker off. I tried the bolt-outs, but there was not enough clearance at the manifold to make them useful. A 14mm socket is just a tad smaller than a 9/16 bolt, so I hammered the 14mm in place. I heated the bolt so that it was cherry red. I cooled it with PB Blaster. After about 3 heating and cooling cycles, it finally came loose. Thanks for the help.Rob S.On 2/8/06, Al Hembd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have also used this trick very successful it also works great if you brake the bolt and have enough sticking out to put a nut big enough over the shaft and weld it on then remove it. - Original Message - From: Trooper To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal I agree with Mike, if you have a welder this is a great way to do it. Not only do you have a nice new bigger nut to grab, the heat from welding helps loosen the bold. Trooper - Original Message - From: Mike Holleman To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal An old timer taught me that trick many years ago. It rarely fails. Mike - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal Great idea Mike! Larry - Original Message - From: Mike Holleman To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal Rob,A trick I use for tough rounded bolts is I set a larger nut on top of the bolt and weld it to it. The larger the better as long as you have clearance. I would use a 1/2 nut on the 3/8 exhaust bolts. Then carefully impact it out while it is still hot from the weld. Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: Rob Shaffer To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal I have a question for the list that is not specifically Chevelle related, but is chevy related nonetheless. I'm removing the exhaust manifolds from a 1995 Chevy 454 engine to install headers. The passenger side manifold bolts came out with the help of an impact wrench. On the driver side, I've got all but three bolts loose. I stopped when one of the tough bolts started to round out. Now I need to remove the bolt, but cannot get a grip with a socket. I think Craftsman makes something that will grip even a rounded bolt head, so I'll give that a try, but thought I'd ask whether anyone has any advice on removing these last three bolts. Any tips to remove the bolt that has started to round? How about just removing the stubborn bolts? Should I heat them first? Any tips that have worked for you in the past will be appreiated. Thanks. Rob S.1966 ChevelleSS 396 Convertible No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal
I agree with Mike, if you have a welder this is a great way to do it. Not only do you have a nice new bigger nut to grab, the heat from welding helps loosen the bold. Trooper - Original Message - From: Mike Holleman To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal An old timer taught me that trick many years ago. It rarely fails. Mike - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal Great idea Mike! Larry - Original Message - From: Mike Holleman To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal Rob,A trick I use for tough rounded bolts is I set a larger nut on top of the bolt and weld it to it. The larger the better as long as you have clearance. I would use a 1/2" nut on the 3/8" exhaust bolts. Then carefully impact it out while it is still hot from the weld. Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: Rob Shaffer To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal I have a question for the list that is not specifically Chevelle related, but is chevy related nonetheless. I'm removing the exhaust manifolds from a 1995 Chevy 454 engine to install headers. The passenger side manifold bolts came out with the help of an impact wrench. On the driver side, I've got all but three bolts loose. I stopped when one of the tough bolts started to round out. Now I need to remove the bolt, but cannot get a grip with a socket. I think Craftsman makes something that will grip even a rounded bolt head, so I'll give that a try, but thought I'd ask whether anyone has any advice on removing these last three bolts. Any tips to remove the bolt that has started to round? How about just removing the stubborn bolts? Should I heat them first? Any tips that have worked for you in the past will be appreiated. Thanks. Rob S.1966 ChevelleSS 396 Convertible No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal
I have also used this trick very successful it also works great if you brake the bolt and have enough sticking out to put a nut big enough over the shaft and weld it on then remove it. - Original Message - From: Trooper To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal I agree with Mike, if you have a welder this is a great way to do it. Not only do you have a nice new bigger nut to grab, the heat from welding helps loosen the bold. Trooper - Original Message - From: Mike Holleman To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal An old timer taught me that trick many years ago. It rarely fails. Mike - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal Great idea Mike! Larry - Original Message - From: Mike Holleman To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal Rob,A trick I use for tough rounded bolts is I set a larger nut on top of the bolt and weld it to it. The larger the better as long as you have clearance. I would use a 1/2" nut on the 3/8" exhaust bolts. Then carefully impact it out while it is still hot from the weld. Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: Rob Shaffer To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal I have a question for the list that is not specifically Chevelle related, but is chevy related nonetheless. I'm removing the exhaust manifolds from a 1995 Chevy 454 engine to install headers. The passenger side manifold bolts came out with the help of an impact wrench. On the driver side, I've got all but three bolts loose. I stopped when one of the tough bolts started to round out. Now I need to remove the bolt, but cannot get a grip with a socket. I think Craftsman makes something that will grip even a rounded bolt head, so I'll give that a try, but thought I'd ask whether anyone has any advice on removing these last three bolts. Any tips to remove the bolt that has started to round? How about just removing the stubborn bolts? Should I heat them first? Any tips that have worked for you in the past will be appreiated. Thanks. Rob S.1966 ChevelleSS 396 Convertible No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal
I've had good luck with the Irwin sockets that are intended for removing nuts and blots with rounded heads. Comes in a little carrying case that is blue and a GREAT tool to keep in your toolbox. It looks like a socket, but the inside of it is kinda like a spiral which bites on the head of the nut/bolt. They work great. It's kinda like an eazy-out, but for a socket. No drilling is required, just slip it on like a socket and start turning. http://www.irwin.com/irwin/consumer/jhtml/browse.jhtml?catId=IrwinCat100313 Good luck, Kyle - Original Message - From: Rob Shaffer To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal I have a question for the list that is not specifically Chevelle related, but is chevy related nonetheless. I'm removing the exhaust manifolds from a 1995 Chevy 454 engine to install headers. The passenger side manifold bolts came out with the help of an impact wrench. On the driver side, I've got all but three bolts loose. I stopped when one of the tough bolts started to round out. Now I need to remove the bolt, but cannot get a grip with a socket. I think Craftsman makes something that will grip even a rounded bolt head, so I'll give that a try, but thought I'd ask whether anyone has any advice on removing these last three bolts. Any tips to remove the bolt that has started to round? How about just removing the stubborn bolts? Should I heat them first? Any tips that have worked for you in the past will be appreiated. Thanks. Rob S.1966 ChevelleSS 396 Convertible
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal
Rob, I bought a set of those "sockets" from Sears that are made to bite into the head as you try to loosen the bolt. It worked great. It works better if you can use some sort of penetration oil like PB Blaster, and let it soak for a while, or if you can heat the area first with a torch. Careful - and good luck. Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: Rob Shaffer To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal I have a question for the list that is not specifically Chevelle related, but is chevy related nonetheless. I'm removing the exhaust manifolds from a 1995 Chevy 454 engine to install headers. The passenger side manifold bolts came out with the help of an impact wrench. On the driver side, I've got all but three bolts loose. I stopped when one of the tough bolts started to round out. Now I need to remove the bolt, but cannot get a grip with a socket. I think Craftsman makes something that will grip even a rounded bolt head, so I'll give that a try, but thought I'd ask whether anyone has any advice on removing these last three bolts. Any tips to remove the bolt that has started to round? How about just removing the stubborn bolts? Should I heat them first? Any tips that have worked for you in the past will be appreiated. Thanks. Rob S.1966 ChevelleSS 396 Convertible
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal
Rob,A trick I use for tough rounded bolts is I set a larger nut on top of the bolt and weld it to it. The larger the better as long as you have clearance. I would use a 1/2" nut on the 3/8" exhaust bolts. Then carefully impact it out while it is still hot from the weld. Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: Rob Shaffer To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal I have a question for the list that is not specifically Chevelle related, but is chevy related nonetheless. I'm removing the exhaust manifolds from a 1995 Chevy 454 engine to install headers. The passenger side manifold bolts came out with the help of an impact wrench. On the driver side, I've got all but three bolts loose. I stopped when one of the tough bolts started to round out. Now I need to remove the bolt, but cannot get a grip with a socket. I think Craftsman makes something that will grip even a rounded bolt head, so I'll give that a try, but thought I'd ask whether anyone has any advice on removing these last three bolts. Any tips to remove the bolt that has started to round? How about just removing the stubborn bolts? Should I heat them first? Any tips that have worked for you in the past will be appreiated. Thanks. Rob S.1966 ChevelleSS 396 Convertible No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal
Great idea Mike! Larry - Original Message - From: Mike Holleman To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal Rob,A trick I use for tough rounded bolts is I set a larger nut on top of the bolt and weld it to it. The larger the better as long as you have clearance. I would use a 1/2" nut on the 3/8" exhaust bolts. Then carefully impact it out while it is still hot from the weld. Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: Rob Shaffer To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal I have a question for the list that is not specifically Chevelle related, but is chevy related nonetheless. I'm removing the exhaust manifolds from a 1995 Chevy 454 engine to install headers. The passenger side manifold bolts came out with the help of an impact wrench. On the driver side, I've got all but three bolts loose. I stopped when one of the tough bolts started to round out. Now I need to remove the bolt, but cannot get a grip with a socket. I think Craftsman makes something that will grip even a rounded bolt head, so I'll give that a try, but thought I'd ask whether anyone has any advice on removing these last three bolts. Any tips to remove the bolt that has started to round? How about just removing the stubborn bolts? Should I heat them first? Any tips that have worked for you in the past will be appreiated. Thanks. Rob S.1966 ChevelleSS 396 Convertible No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal
Thanks for all the help. I think I'll try the socket and if that doesn't do the trick, then use Mike's advice and weld a nut on top of the bolt. I did have them soaking with PB Blaster before I tried to remove them. However, based on the bolts that I did remove, it does not look like any of the penetrating oil actually migrated up the thread bolts. I might try heating the areas with a torch. When heating, shold the bolt be heated or the surrounding manifold area? Thanks. Rob
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal
An old timer taught me that trick many years ago. It rarely fails. Mike - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal Great idea Mike! Larry - Original Message - From: Mike Holleman To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal Rob,A trick I use for tough rounded bolts is I set a larger nut on top of the bolt and weld it to it. The larger the better as long as you have clearance. I would use a 1/2" nut on the 3/8" exhaust bolts. Then carefully impact it out while it is still hot from the weld. Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: Rob Shaffer To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal I have a question for the list that is not specifically Chevelle related, but is chevy related nonetheless. I'm removing the exhaust manifolds from a 1995 Chevy 454 engine to install headers. The passenger side manifold bolts came out with the help of an impact wrench. On the driver side, I've got all but three bolts loose. I stopped when one of the tough bolts started to round out. Now I need to remove the bolt, but cannot get a grip with a socket. I think Craftsman makes something that will grip even a rounded bolt head, so I'll give that a try, but thought I'd ask whether anyone has any advice on removing these last three bolts. Any tips to remove the bolt that has started to round? How about just removing the stubborn bolts? Should I heat them first? Any tips that have worked for you in the past will be appreiated. Thanks. Rob S.1966 ChevelleSS 396 Convertible No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal
Try a "Star" socket. Get one just slightly smaller and hammer on bolt head. then use impact or breaker bar. If that doesn't work try heating them a little first and while hot apply wax to run threads. Hope it works for you. John - Original Message - From: Rob Shaffer To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:15 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust Manifold Bolt Removal I have a question for the list that is not specifically Chevelle related, but is chevy related nonetheless. I'm removing the exhaust manifolds from a 1995 Chevy 454 engine to install headers. The passenger side manifold bolts came out with the help of an impact wrench. On the driver side, I've got all but three bolts loose. I stopped when one of the tough bolts started to round out. Now I need to remove the bolt, but cannot get a grip with a socket. I think Craftsman makes something that will grip even a rounded bolt head, so I'll give that a try, but thought I'd ask whether anyone has any advice on removing these last three bolts. Any tips to remove the bolt that has started to round? How about just removing the stubborn bolts? Should I heat them first? Any tips that have worked for you in the past will be appreiated. Thanks. Rob S.1966 ChevelleSS 396 Convertible
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System-Dyno Run
Title: Message
CFM and ACFM (Actual CFM) are the same. SCFM is
"Standard" CFM and assumes a specific barometric pressure, humidity, temp, etc.
It is arrived at using a math formula applied to conditions at the time of the
test.
Since "air density" is greater in colder air, a greater
amount of oxygen will be pumped into the motor at 60 degrees than at 90. The
difference is considerable enough that the takeoff weight of aircraft is
adjusted for temperature, etc.
Two-Track
- Original Message -
From:
Larry Shouse
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:36
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust
System-Dyno Run
Clint,
Everything you said about my engine is correct
except I did go with hydraulic roller lifters and roller rockers. My motor man
told me to set redline at 6800rpm.
I had my dyno run today, and you are right. It
did make peak powerat 6000rpm.
442hp @ 6000rpm
467fp @ 4250rpm
Just a point of interest, airflow was 720.3 scfm
@ 6250rpm, which is as high as they went. What does the "s" in front of the
cfm stand for?
Videos -
www.fuglybrothers.com/videos/dyno-setup.wmv
www.fuglybrothers.com/videos/dyno-run.wmv
Larry
- Original Message -
From:
Clint Hooper
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:49
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust
System
You guys have to remember that Larry's car
isn't running a hyd lifter,oval port big block but a solid lifter,forged
piston,four bolt main L78. Those things will easily rev to 7,000rpm and make
their peak power well over 6,000rpm. It can handle a higher flow exhaust. I
suggested 2.5" tailpipes because the exhaust velocity is reduced enough that
the extra expense and more noise of 3" tailpipes isn't necessary on a BBC
less than 427ci. The smaller tailpipes will help the low-end torque curve a
noticeable amount and reduce the drone.
Very few streetable 400ci small blocks will
have cylinder heads that can flow like L78 BBC's.
Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino
ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System-Dyno Run
Title: Message
Now that you mention it, I do remember seeing the
temp and barometric pressure listed on the dyno sheet. Thanks for your post
Craig. I learn something every day on this list.
Larry
- Original Message -
From:
Craig Ellis
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:10
AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust
System-Dyno Run
CFM and ACFM (Actual CFM) are the same. SCFM is
"Standard" CFM and assumes a specific barometric pressure, humidity, temp,
etc. It is arrived at using a math formula applied to conditions at the time
of the test.
Since "air density" is greater in colder air, a
greater amount of oxygen will be pumped into the motor at 60 degrees than at
90. The difference is considerable enough that the takeoff weight of aircraft
is adjusted for temperature, etc.
Two-Track
- Original Message -
From:
Larry Shouse
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:36
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust
System-Dyno Run
Clint,
Everything you said about my engine is correct
except I did go with hydraulic roller lifters and roller rockers. My motor
man told me to set redline at 6800rpm.
I had my dyno run today, and you are right. It
did make peak powerat 6000rpm.
442hp @ 6000rpm
467fp @ 4250rpm
Just a point of interest, airflow was 720.3
scfm @ 6250rpm, which is as high as they went. What does the "s" in front of
the cfm stand for?
Videos -
www.fuglybrothers.com/videos/dyno-setup.wmv
www.fuglybrothers.com/videos/dyno-run.wmv
Larry
- Original Message -
From:
Clint
Hooper
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:49
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust
System
You guys have to remember that Larry's car
isn't running a hyd lifter,oval port big block but a solid lifter,forged
piston,four bolt main L78. Those things will easily rev to 7,000rpm and
make their peak power well over 6,000rpm. It can handle a higher flow
exhaust. I suggested 2.5" tailpipes because the exhaust velocity is
reduced enough that the extra expense and more noise of 3" tailpipes isn't
necessary on a BBC less than 427ci. The smaller tailpipes will help the
low-end torque curve a noticeable amount and reduce the
drone.
Very few streetable 400ci small blocks will
have cylinder heads that can flow like L78 BBC's.
Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino
ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
RE: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System-Dyno Run
I love dyno runs! --- Ron Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my wife was standing behind me when I was playing the videos. I explained to her it was like watching a new baby coming into the world. She shook her head and walked away... :-) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Shouse Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:36 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System-Dyno Run Clint, Everything you said about my engine is correct except I did go with hydraulic roller lifters and roller rockers. My motor man told me to set redline at 6800rpm. I had my dyno run today, and you are right. It did make peak power at 6000rpm. 442hp @ 6000rpm 467fp @ 4250rpm Just a point of interest, airflow was 720.3 scfm @ 6250rpm, which is as high as they went. What does the s in front of the cfm stand for? Videos - www.fuglybrothers.com/videos/dyno-setup.wmv www.fuglybrothers.com/videos/dyno-run.wmv Larry - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List mailto:Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System You guys have to remember that Larry's car isn't running a hyd lifter,oval port big block but a solid lifter,forged piston,four bolt main L78. Those things will easily rev to 7,000rpm and make their peak power well over 6,000rpm. It can handle a higher flow exhaust. I suggested 2.5 tailpipes because the exhaust velocity is reduced enough that the extra expense and more noise of 3 tailpipes isn't necessary on a BBC less than 427ci. The smaller tailpipes will help the low-end torque curve a noticeable amount and reduce the drone. Very few streetable 400ci small blocks will have cylinder heads that can flow like L78 BBC's. Clint Hooper HH Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System
Hi Larry, On my chevelle with a SBC and headers I had the flowmaster setup, this due to a suggestion I received on this list a while ago. I was very happy with it but this time around I'll go with a 3stainless setup with four borla mufflers due to my dream of allot of horsepower in my next engine. I dont know about the size but I would spend the extra cash on stainless steel right away André Hi Larry, IMO, you should go with a 3 exhaust with an X crossover along with the mufflers of your choice. I like Spin Tech, they're a bit loud at full song but have a unique sound that you won't hear as often as the bellybutton Flowmasters. Dynomax Ultraflows are nice too if you want something a little more subtle (I used to have them on my Vette but wanted it louder for some reason). I'm actually interested in hearing the new mufflers from Edelbrock. The cutaway looks like a cross between Spin Tech and Flowmaster. Another place you might look is a company called Pypes, http://www.pypesexhaust.com/ they even have some sound clips online. Herb Lumpp http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Larry Shouse Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:07 PM To: Chevelle List Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System It's time to buy me an exhaust system. The system will go on a fairly healthy normally aspirated 396 running L78 heads and Sanderson intermediate headers with 1 7/8 primaries and 3 collectors. Those of you in the know, please help me decide whether I should go with a 2.5 system or a 3 system. Also, brand suggestions would be great. Thanks, Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System
Thanks to everyone for your input. I spent a few hours going to all suggested websites, trying to learn what I can. Personal experience based input is very important to me. It looks like we are pretty evenly split between 2.5 and 3 inch exhaust systems. I've heard (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that having too much pipe could be detrimental to your torque numbers, because you need a certain amount of back pressure to scavenge (pull) the exhaust out... I guess the real question then becomes does my 396 with a Performer RPM Airgap intake and L78 heads redlining at 6500 - 6800 rpm move enough air to warrant 3 inch pipes. Is there a formula out there to figure that kind of thing out? Of course I'm willing to pay for the 3 inch systemif it sounds better and has no detrimental effect on my numbers grin I found Clint's comments interesting, using 2" head pipes and reducing down to 2.5" after the muffler... Thanks for putting up with my persistent stream of questions here. As I dump all available dollars into this project while dodging my wife's broom, I want to keep my future regrets to a minimum. Thanks, Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse To: Chevelle List Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:06 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System It's time to buy me an exhaust system. The system will go on a fairly healthy normally aspirated 396 running L78 heads and Sanderson intermediate headers with 1 7/8" primaries and 3" collectors. Those of you in the know, please help me decide whether I should go with a 2.5" system or a 3" system. Also, brand suggestions would be great. Thanks, Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System
Sorry, I misquoted Clint. I meant to say 3" head pipe and 2.5" after the mufflers... Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System Thanks to everyone for your input. I spent a few hours going to all suggested websites, trying to learn what I can. Personal experience based input is very important to me. It looks like we are pretty evenly split between 2.5 and 3 inch exhaust systems. I've heard (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that having too much pipe could be detrimental to your torque numbers, because you need a certain amount of back pressure to scavenge (pull) the exhaust out... I guess the real question then becomes does my 396 with a Performer RPM Airgap intake and L78 heads redlining at 6500 - 6800 rpm move enough air to warrant 3 inch pipes. Is there a formula out there to figure that kind of thing out? Of course I'm willing to pay for the 3 inch systemif it sounds better and has no detrimental effect on my numbers grin I found Clint's comments interesting, using 2" head pipes and reducing down to 2.5" after the muffler... Thanks for putting up with my persistent stream of questions here. As I dump all available dollars into this project while dodging my wife's broom, I want to keep my future regrets to a minimum. Thanks, Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse To: Chevelle List Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:06 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System It's time to buy me an exhaust system. The system will go on a fairly healthy normally aspirated 396 running L78 heads and Sanderson intermediate headers with 1 7/8" primaries and 3" collectors. Those of you in the know, please help me decide whether I should go with a 2.5" system or a 3" system. Also, brand suggestions would be great. Thanks, Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System
Just my two cents but the old axiom "you drive torque and race horsepower" is true. Unless you actually bet folding money on street races or a drag strip regular, I'd choose the options that produce torque. I've got a BBC 402 that's .060 over - that's only 413 CI. Not to offend anyone out there with a BBC but that is a smallish motor and does not justify 3" exhaust or 2" headers. All that stuff seems pretty cool but even the calculations argue against those sizes. I know that my motor will spin to 6500 but rare will be the day that it does. I routinely shift at 5500 and once in a blue moon spool it out to 6000. 1 and 3/4 headers and 2.5 exhaust produce the ideal torque and HP for a .550 lift cam. Notehow many400+ CI small blocks with 1 and 5/8 headers and 2" exhaust are written up in HotRod and other mags. This subject has been studied for years and every time the results are the same. Once in a while one of the big motor builders will "reveal" that they put a 1000 CFM Dominator on a SBC with an RV cam and it ran like a scalded cat. You know as well as I do thatsomebody is zommin' somebody.I don't know about you, but every engine builder I've ever known would BS their mother if it won them more business or won races. If a motor combination sounds too good to be true...it probably is. Stick to the calculations and run the recommendations and you won't regret it. Speaking from experience - the only "mistake" I made is to put a 770 CFM Holley Street Avenger onmy motor.It runs perfect but I am sure that a 670 CFM would have been the better choice. That motor just can not pump that much air. It's like octane - any more than is needed to eliminate preignition is wasted - and more carb volume and exhaust volume than needed to balance the pumping action of the motor is detrimental to performance. I was just another one of those guys that didn't want to stand around the car show and tell people "it's a 600 CFM Holley Wimpalator". But the fact is, the calculator said, as I recall, my engine should have a 600 - I just couldn't buy one. Just my opinion. - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System Thanks to everyone for your input. I spent a few hours going to all suggested websites, trying to learn what I can. Personal experience based input is very important to me. It looks like we are pretty evenly split between 2.5 and 3 inch exhaust systems. I've heard (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that having too much pipe could be detrimental to your torque numbers, because you need a certain amount of back pressure to scavenge (pull) the exhaust out... I guess the real question then becomes does my 396 with a Performer RPM Airgap intake and L78 heads redlining at 6500 - 6800 rpm move enough air to warrant 3 inch pipes. Is there a formula out there to figure that kind of thing out? Of course I'm willing to pay for the 3 inch systemif it sounds better and has no detrimental effect on my numbers grin I found Clint's comments interesting, using 2" head pipes and reducing down to 2.5" after the muffler... Thanks for putting up with my persistent stream of questions here. As I dump all available dollars into this project while dodging my wife's broom, I want to keep my future regrets to a minimum. Thanks, Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse To: Chevelle List Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:06 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System It's time to buy me an exhaust system. The system will go on a fairly healthy normally aspirated 396 running L78 heads and Sanderson intermediate headers with 1 7/8" primaries and 3" collectors. Those of you in the know, please help me decide whether I should go with a 2.5" system or a 3" system. Also, brand suggestions would be great. Thanks, Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System
Hey Larry, Both 2.5 and 3 will get the job done. I would look at quality, fit, and muffler sound that you like. I ran 11's with a 2.5 exhaust and summit cheapy turbo mufflers and ran 10's with 4 flowmaster loud pipes! The current Borla system fits in all the factory mounting locations and is made of SS. I picked it up off the Summit clearance counter for under $300. I like the flowmaster sound a little better than the borla but price, fit, and quality won out. Here are a few pics of the system http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/BORLA.htm Walt http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:06 pm Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System It's time to buy me an exhaust system. The system will go on a fairly healthy normally aspirated 396 running L78 heads and Sanderson intermediate headers with 1 7/8 primaries and 3 collectors. Those of you in the know, please help me decide whether I should go with a 2.5 system or a 3 system. Also, brand suggestions would be great. Thanks, Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System
Right on Craig, Many mags have put the bigger/better idea out there. You have to have 4.10/4.11's big carbs and exhaust to make powerNo not for the street/strip guys. Look at your overall package and spend from there. Walt http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:20 am Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System Just my two cents but the old axiom you drive torque and race horsepower is true. Unless you actually bet folding money on street races or a drag strip regular, I'd choose the options that produce torque. I've got a BBC 402 that's .060 over - that's only 413 CI. Not to offend anyone out there with a BBC but that is a smallish motor and does not justify 3 exhaust or 2 headers. All that stuff seems pretty cool but even the calculations argue against those sizes. I know that my motor will spin to 6500 but rare will b0e the day that it does. I routinely shift at 5500 and once in a blue moon spool it out to 6000. 1 and 3/4 headers and 2.5 exhaust produce the ideal torque and HP for a .550 lift cam. Note how many 400+ CI small blocks with 1 and 5/8 headers and 2 exhaust are written up in HotRod and other mags. This subject has been studied for years and every time the results are the same. Once in a while one of the big motor builders will reveal that they put a 1000 CFM Dominator on a SBC with an RV cam and it ran like a scalded cat. You know as well as I do that somebody is zommin' somebody. I don't know about you, but every engine builder I've ever known would BS their mother if it won them more business or won races. If a motor combination sounds too good to be true...it probably is. Stick to the calculations and run the recommendations and you won't regret it. Speaking from experience - the only mistake I made is to put a 770 CFM Holley Street Avenger on my motor. It runs perfect but I am sure that a 670 CFM would have been the better choice. That motor just can not pump that much air. It's like octane - any more than is needed to eliminate preignition is wasted - and more carb volume and exhaust volume than needed to balance the pumping action of the motor is detrimental to performance. I was just another one of those guys that didn't want to stand around the car show and tell people it's a 600 CFM Holley Wimpalator. But the fact is, the calculator said, as I recall, my engine should have a 600 - I just couldn't buy one. Just my opinion. - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System Thanks to everyone for your input. I spent a few hours going to all suggested websites, trying to learn what I can. Personal experience based input is very important to me. It looks like we are pretty evenly split between 2.5 and 3 inch exhaust systems. I've heard (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that having too much pipe could be detrimental to your torque numbers, because you need a certain amount of back pressure to scavenge (pull) the exhaust out... I guess the real question then becomes does my 396 with a Performer RPM Airgap intake and L78 heads redlining at 6500 - 6800 rpm move enough air to warrant 3 inch pipes. Is there a formula out there to figure that kind of thing out? Of course I'm willing to pay for the 3 inch system if it sounds better and has no detrimental effect on my numbers grin I found Clint's comments interesting, using 2 head pipes and reducing down to 2.5 after the muffler... Thanks for putting up with my persistent stream of questions here. As I dump all available dollars into this project while dodging my wife's broom, I want to keep my future regrets to a minimum. Thanks, Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse To: Chevelle List Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:06 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System It's time to buy me an exhaust system. The system will go on a fairly healthy normally aspirated 396 running L78 heads and Sanderson intermediate headers with 1 7/8 primaries and 3 collectors. Those of you in the know, please help me decide whether I should go with a 2.5 system or a 3 system. Also, brand suggestions would be great. Thanks, Larry Shouse
RE: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System
Title: Message I know that a well built header will use the exhaust from one cylinder to scavenge the others, but I'm not sure about how the exhaust system itself can or will do that, I thought that once past the collector it was only a matter of getting rid of the exhaust. there was an article in a magazine about an instrument measurng exhaust backpressure and as I remember it it was all a matter the lowest pressure possible. I dont think I'd use a step down in tube size, the entire system wont flow more than the smallest tube anyway. Maybe Clint tought of that because of the lower restriction restriction of the bigger muffler. Have FunAndré -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry ShouseSent: 29. november 2005 14:49To: The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System Thanks to everyone for your input. I spent a few hours going to all suggested websites, trying to learn what I can. Personal experience based input is very important to me. It looks like we are pretty evenly split between 2.5 and 3 inch exhaust systems. I've heard (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that having too much pipe could be detrimental to your torque numbers, because you need a certain amount of back pressure to scavenge (pull) the exhaust out... I guess the real question then becomes does my 396 with a Performer RPM Airgap intake and L78 heads redlining at 6500 - 6800 rpm move enough air to warrant 3 inch pipes. Is there a formula out there to figure that kind of thing out? Of course I'm willing to pay for the 3 inch systemif it sounds better and has no detrimental effect on my numbers grin I found Clint's comments interesting, using 2" head pipes and reducing down to 2.5" after the muffler... Thanks for putting up with my persistent stream of questions here. As I dump all available dollars into this project while dodging my wife's broom, I want to keep my future regrets to a minimum. Thanks, Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse To: Chevelle List Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:06 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System It's time to buy me an exhaust system. The system will go on a fairly healthy normally aspirated 396 running L78 heads and Sanderson intermediate headers with 1 7/8" primaries and 3" collectors. Those of you in the know, please help me decide whether I should go with a 2.5" system or a 3" system. Also, brand suggestions would be great. Thanks, Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System
Title: Message You guys have to remember that Larry's car isn't running a hyd lifter,oval port big block but a solid lifter,forged piston,four bolt main L78. Those things will easily rev to 7,000rpm and make their peak power well over 6,000rpm. It can handle a higher flow exhaust. I suggested 2.5" tailpipes because the exhaust velocity is reduced enough that the extra expense and more noise of 3" tailpipes isn't necessary on a BBC less than 427ci. The smaller tailpipes will help the low-end torque curve a noticeable amount and reduce the drone. Very few streetable 400ci small blocks will have cylinder heads that can flow like L78 BBC's. Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System-Dyno Run
Title: Message Clint, Everything you said about my engine is correct except I did go with hydraulic roller lifters and roller rockers. My motor man told me to set redline at 6800rpm. I had my dyno run today, and you are right. It did make peak powerat 6000rpm. 442hp @ 6000rpm 467fp @ 4250rpm Just a point of interest, airflow was 720.3 scfm @ 6250rpm, which is as high as they went. What does the "s" in front of the cfm stand for? Videos - www.fuglybrothers.com/videos/dyno-setup.wmv www.fuglybrothers.com/videos/dyno-run.wmv Larry - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System You guys have to remember that Larry's car isn't running a hyd lifter,oval port big block but a solid lifter,forged piston,four bolt main L78. Those things will easily rev to 7,000rpm and make their peak power well over 6,000rpm. It can handle a higher flow exhaust. I suggested 2.5" tailpipes because the exhaust velocity is reduced enough that the extra expense and more noise of 3" tailpipes isn't necessary on a BBC less than 427ci. The smaller tailpipes will help the low-end torque curve a noticeable amount and reduce the drone. Very few streetable 400ci small blocks will have cylinder heads that can flow like L78 BBC's. Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
RE: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System-Dyno Run
Title: Message my wife was standing behind me when I was playing the videos. I explained to her it was like watching a new baby coming into the world. She shook her head and walked away... :-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry ShouseSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:36 PMTo: The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System-Dyno Run Clint, Everything you said about my engine is correct except I did go with hydraulic roller lifters and roller rockers. My motor man told me to set redline at 6800rpm. I had my dyno run today, and you are right. It did make peak powerat 6000rpm. 442hp @ 6000rpm 467fp @ 4250rpm Just a point of interest, airflow was 720.3 scfm @ 6250rpm, which is as high as they went. What does the "s" in front of the cfm stand for? Videos - www.fuglybrothers.com/videos/dyno-setup.wmv www.fuglybrothers.com/videos/dyno-run.wmv Larry - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System You guys have to remember that Larry's car isn't running a hyd lifter,oval port big block but a solid lifter,forged piston,four bolt main L78. Those things will easily rev to 7,000rpm and make their peak power well over 6,000rpm. It can handle a higher flow exhaust. I suggested 2.5" tailpipes because the exhaust velocity is reduced enough that the extra expense and more noise of 3" tailpipes isn't necessary on a BBC less than 427ci. The smaller tailpipes will help the low-end torque curve a noticeable amount and reduce the drone. Very few streetable 400ci small blocks will have cylinder heads that can flow like L78 BBC's. Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System-Dyno Run
Title: Message
That is so true Ron! When my motor man called and
said "it's time", I drove to his shop like a madman! I walked in with a digital
camera and video camera with a big smile on my face. I haven't built an engine
since the mid 70's. Although I double-checked everything, there is always that
little doubt until that engine fires up. Although I was hoping for a bit more
power, I'm sure it will be plenty for my purpose... and I just love that
lope...
Larry Shouse
- Original Message -
From:
Ron
Sparks
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:35
PM
Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust
System-Dyno Run
my wife was standing behind me when I was playing the videos. I
explained to her it was like watching a new baby coming into the world. She
shook her head and walked away... :-)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry
ShouseSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:36 PMTo: The
Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust
System-Dyno Run
Clint,
Everything you said about my engine is correct
except I did go with hydraulic roller lifters and roller rockers. My motor man
told me to set redline at 6800rpm.
I had my dyno run today, and you are right. It
did make peak powerat 6000rpm.
442hp @ 6000rpm
467fp @ 4250rpm
Just a point of interest, airflow was 720.3 scfm
@ 6250rpm, which is as high as they went. What does the "s" in front of the
cfm stand for?
Videos -
www.fuglybrothers.com/videos/dyno-setup.wmv
www.fuglybrothers.com/videos/dyno-run.wmv
Larry
- Original Message -
From:
Clint Hooper
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:49
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust
System
You guys have to remember that Larry's car
isn't running a hyd lifter,oval port big block but a solid lifter,forged
piston,four bolt main L78. Those things will easily rev to 7,000rpm and make
their peak power well over 6,000rpm. It can handle a higher flow exhaust. I
suggested 2.5" tailpipes because the exhaust velocity is reduced enough that
the extra expense and more noise of 3" tailpipes isn't necessary on a BBC
less than 427ci. The smaller tailpipes will help the low-end torque curve a
noticeable amount and reduce the drone.
Very few streetable 400ci small blocks will
have cylinder heads that can flow like L78 BBC's.
Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino
ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System
I would go w/2.5",,better w/more backpressure,,,AND DEFINATLY go with the BEST,,FLOWMASTERS - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse To: Chevelle List Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System It's time to buy me an exhaust system. The system will go on a fairly healthy normally aspirated 396 running L78 heads and Sanderson intermediate headers with 1 7/8" primaries and 3" collectors. Those of you in the know, please help me decide whether I should go with a 2.5" system or a 3" system. Also, brand suggestions would be great. Thanks, Larry Shouse
RE: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System
Hi Larry, IMO, you should go with a 3" exhaust with an X crossover along with the mufflers of your choice. I like Spin Tech, they're a bit loud at full song but have a unique sound that you won't hear as often as the bellybutton Flowmasters. Dynomax Ultraflows are nice too if you want something a little more subtle (I used to have them on my Vette but wanted it louder for some reason). I'm actually interested in hearing the new mufflers from Edelbrock. The cutaway looks like a cross between Spin Tech and Flowmaster. Another place you might look is a company called Pypes, http://www.pypesexhaust.com/they even have some sound clips online. Herb Lumpphttp://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Larry ShouseSent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:07 PMTo: Chevelle ListSubject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System It's time to buy me an exhaust system. The system will go on a fairly healthy normally aspirated 396 running L78 heads and Sanderson intermediate headers with 1 7/8" primaries and 3" collectors. Those of you in the know, please help me decide whether I should go with a 2.5" system or a 3" system. Also, brand suggestions would be great. Thanks, Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System
Call Torque Tech and they will custom make you an exhaust system that will fit and clamp together for your particular vehicle-go with 2.5 as already suggested.. I prefer Dynomax mufflers for several reasons, just my preference. D.R. Jones James Strunk wrote: I would go w/2.5,,better w/more backpressure,,,AND DEFINATLY go with the BEST,,FLOWMASTERS - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse To: Chevelle List Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System It's time to buy me an exhaust system. The system will go on a fairly healthy normally aspirated 396 running L78 heads and Sanderson intermediate headers with 1 7/8 primaries and 3 collectors. Those of you in the know, please help me decide whether I should go with a 2.5 system or a 3 system. Also, brand suggestions would be great. Thanks, Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System
Definately 3". With a big block it is the way to go. Deep throaty sound. Yes there are many suppliers out there. I do like Herbs spin techs, but they are loud. I am running Flowmasters 3" system on my Tempest(421) and it does sound good. Using their 30 series mufflers. For under six bills you cannot go wrong. Mike - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse To: Chevelle List Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:06 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System It's time to buy me an exhaust system. The system will go on a fairly healthy normally aspirated 396 running L78 heads and Sanderson intermediate headers with 1 7/8" primaries and 3" collectors. Those of you in the know, please help me decide whether I should go with a 2.5" system or a 3" system. Also, brand suggestions would be great. Thanks, Larry Shouse No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/184 - Release Date: 11/27/2005
RE: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System
I have a Flowmaster system and while it might not be the best possible sounding system, and certainly an X-pipe is a better design than an H-pipe, the kit is relatively inexpensive and super-easy to install. I also have a SB so it's tough to say how my opinion of the sound might be changed by hearing the same system on a BB. In terms of actual performance comparisons, again I don't exactly have a high performance engine. I suppose 2.5 is enough for a SB. John Nasta
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I've got a headers and a Dr. Gas x-pipe with Flowmaster 40s and it is the best sounding BBC I have ever heard, bar none. The sound at idle with a .550 cam turns the head of anybody who has any kind of love for these cars, period. It is music. Craig E. - Original Message - From: John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 7:35 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System I have a Flowmaster system and while it might not be the best possible sounding system, and certainly an X-pipe is a better design than an H-pipe, the kit is relatively inexpensive and super-easy to install. I also have a SB so it's tough to say how my opinion of the sound might be changed by hearing the same system on a BB. In terms of actual performance comparisons, again I don't exactly have a high performance engine. I suppose 2.5 is enough for a SB. John Nasta
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System
A healthy L78 can flow a lot of air. My suggestions for decent street manners would be 3" headpipes to the mufflers,then full 2.5" tailpipes. All mandrel bent,of course,,no compression bends. If the car will be very low,keep that in mind when choosing mufflers. Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse It's time to buy me an exhaust system. The system will go on a fairly healthy normally aspirated 396 running L78 heads and Sanderson intermediate headers with 1 7/8" primaries and 3" collectors. Those of you in the know, please help me decide whether I should go with a 2.5" system or a 3" system. Also, brand suggestions would be great. Thanks, Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System
I TOTALLY AGREE,,I had a 70 chevelle SS for 30 yrs.before I finally sold it,,comp. cam 540,,w/FLOWMASTERS,,,just an awsome sounding car. - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System I've got a headers and a Dr. Gas x-pipe with Flowmaster 40s and it is the best sounding BBC I have ever heard, bar none. The sound at idle with a .550 cam turns the head of anybody who has any kind of love for these cars, period. It is music. Craig E. - Original Message - From: John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 7:35 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System I have a Flowmaster system and while it might not be the best possible sounding system, and certainly an X-pipe is a better design than an H-pipe, the kit is relatively inexpensive and super-easy to install. I also have a SB so it's tough to say how my opinion of the sound might be changed by hearing the same system on a BB. In terms of actual performance comparisons, again I don't exactly have a high performance engine. I suppose 2.5 is enough for a SB. John Nasta
RE: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust tips
Have to admire the ingenuity. Dale -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:33 AM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust tips Boy, I gotta run out and get me some of these; http://www.shoplaser.com/ What's next? Rich
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust tips
Who is going to see the tips pop out at full throttle? I guess the rice rocketeers might try it in the driveway. Hey maybe this* IS* the equalizer between the SBC and the BBC. Instant torque! Larry Williams
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust sys mount?
You can get a replica of the factory mount that mounts to the frame from Ground Up. - Original Message - From: Pelle Andersson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 3:52 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust sys mount? How have you solved that? Right now is my exhaust system dangling from the trunk bottom, transferring exhaust noise into the cupé. Is there a smart way to attach it to the frame instead? Best regards Pelle _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 06/11/2005
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5
Thanks Clint..that procharger hums...only 10lbs of boost to run that fast. Gotta love BBC's. Ran high 10's with a pretty much stock 396/350HP motor and the procharger. Sold the blower setupTurbo will be added next winter Walt http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, June 4, 2005 8:38 pm Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5 10.30's at 132mph? YOWZA! Nice car,Walt. Clint Hooper HH Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net I do like the flowmaster sound but my 4 side exit was attracted too many cops. I switched to a stainless Borla kit from headers to bumper http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/BORLA.htm The kit fit really nice using factory mounting locations. Sound is good pretty quite at idle. Walt http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5
Thanks Matt, Do you have any Pics of your project? Walt http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm - Original Message - From: Matt Wettig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, June 4, 2005 8:26 am Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5 Beautiful car Walt. I am in the process of building a 1970 myself. Matt - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Cc: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5 I do like the flowmaster sound but my 4 side exit was attracted too many cops. I switched to a stainless Borla kit from headers to bumper http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/BORLA.htm The kit fit really nice using factory mounting locations. Sound is good pretty quite at idle. Walt http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, June 4, 2005 7:29 am Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5 I am going to put a new exhaust system on my '70 LS5 and am considering Flowmasters series 30 or a system by Pypes Performance Exhaust. Anybody have any experience with the Pypes Performance company? Anybody have any other thoughts for a powerful sounding system that won't drive you nuts inside while crusing? I am open to all input. Thanks, Jerry Wells ACES 5923 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.5.2 - Release Date: 06/03/2005
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5
Not much to look at right now. Frame is out from under it and getting ready to paint the frame. Motor and transmission are built for it. I think a 454 bored 30 over should move it down the road ok. It has good heads on it with a 580 lift cam. Matt - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5 Thanks Matt, Do you have any Pics of your project? Walt http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm - Original Message - From: Matt Wettig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, June 4, 2005 8:26 am Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5 Beautiful car Walt. I am in the process of building a 1970 myself. Matt - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Cc: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5 I do like the flowmaster sound but my 4 side exit was attracted too many cops. I switched to a stainless Borla kit from headers to bumper http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/BORLA.htm The kit fit really nice using factory mounting locations. Sound is good pretty quite at idle. Walt http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, June 4, 2005 7:29 am Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5 I am going to put a new exhaust system on my '70 LS5 and am considering Flowmasters series 30 or a system by Pypes Performance Exhaust. Anybody have any experience with the Pypes Performance company? Anybody have any other thoughts for a powerful sounding system that won't drive you nuts inside while crusing? I am open to all input. Thanks, Jerry Wells ACES 5923 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.5.2 - Release Date: 06/03/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.4 - Release Date: 06/06/2005
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5
Has anybody heard of or used these guys? http://www.grabthepower.com/ There is a local muffler shop that has given me a price of $300 for a 2 1/2" dual system on my big block V-6 pick up and I'm wanting a little feedback from users. http://stovebolt.com/gallery/pruett_richard_1967.htm Also, I'm interested in comments as to where to bring out the pipes. Turn down underneath? Straight out the back? Out the side; behind the rearwheels or before? I'm not looking for originally here; original single2" pipe came out behind driver side rear wheel.What I want to achieve is to allow this oldengine to breath as bestas she can. I recently opened up the air flow on this big boy by installing an oversized air filter and raising the breather cover 1/2"; now bringing in air all around rather than sucking it through the 1 1/2" snorkel but keeping the original look. That made a huge difference!! Any and all thoughts are welcome. Rich - Original Message - From: jason mcentee To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5 Borla is a great exhaust system. A million mile warranty exaust system. That shows they're confidence in the product. I put a Borla system on my 95 GMC Sonoma and it was great ! It made the 6 Cylinder sound like an 8 with no excessive noise. Its throaty, but its what we ( and others) Americans love. The extra Ponies were helpful in blasting the 5.0's that Ford made famous. Although it wasnt only the exhaust system, it definately didnt hurt the performance. By the way, I do not work for Borla, only a fan. Jay\ 1995 GMC Sonoma 1971 Chevy Malibu ( in restoring stages) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do like the flowmaster sound but my 4" side exit was attracted too many cops. I switched to a stainless Borla kit from headers to bumper http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/BORLA.htm The kit fit really nice using factory mounting locations. Sound is good pretty quite at idle.Walthttp://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm- Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Saturday, June 4, 2005 7:29 amSubject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5 I am going to put a new exhaust system on my '70 LS5 and am considering Flowmasters series 30 or a system by Pypes Performance Exhaust. Anybody have any experience with the Pypes Performance company? Anybody have any other thoughts for a powerful sounding system that won't drive you nuts inside while crusing? I am open to all input. Thanks, Jerry Wells ACES 5923 __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5
I do like the flowmaster sound but my 4 side exit was attracted too many cops. I switched to a stainless Borla kit from headers to bumper http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/BORLA.htm The kit fit really nice using factory mounting locations. Sound is good pretty quite at idle. Walt http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, June 4, 2005 7:29 am Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5 I am going to put a new exhaust system on my '70 LS5 and am considering Flowmasters series 30 or a system by Pypes Performance Exhaust. Anybody have any experience with the Pypes Performance company? Anybody have any other thoughts for a powerful sounding system that won't drive you nuts inside while crusing? I am open to all input. Thanks, Jerry Wells ACES 5923
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5
Beautiful car Walt. I am in the process of building a 1970 myself. Matt - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Cc: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5 I do like the flowmaster sound but my 4 side exit was attracted too many cops. I switched to a stainless Borla kit from headers to bumper http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/BORLA.htm The kit fit really nice using factory mounting locations. Sound is good pretty quite at idle. Walt http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, June 4, 2005 7:29 am Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5 I am going to put a new exhaust system on my '70 LS5 and am considering Flowmasters series 30 or a system by Pypes Performance Exhaust. Anybody have any experience with the Pypes Performance company? Anybody have any other thoughts for a powerful sounding system that won't drive you nuts inside while crusing? I am open to all input. Thanks, Jerry Wells ACES 5923 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.5.2 - Release Date: 06/03/2005
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5
-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] any experience with the Pypes Performance company? Check the forums/boards at performanceyears.com for threads relating to PYPES, and also ask about the availability of instructions, support, etc. before making a purchase. I bought one of the early PYPES systems a couple of years ago and it came with no instructions, just a photo that was barely helpful. And the website kept saying that the online instructions were coming soon but when I checked back last year they still weren't up. I have the system on my car but have never been truly happy with it; I had to do quite a lot of modifying to get it to fit and it still hangs too low for my taste (Trans Am, which doesn't have much ground clearance to begin with). In fact, I'm planning on working on it today in case I hook up with the Power Tour tomorrow... Hopefully PYPES' products and service have improved since 2003 but I'd do some serious research before sending them any money, based on what I went through. You can also check the threads at classicalpontiac.com (Performance Years started out as strictly Pontiac) for some opinions. Good luck! Brad O.
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5
Borla is a great exhaust system. A million mile warranty exaust system. That shows they're confidence in the product. I put a Borla system on my 95 GMC Sonoma and it was great ! It made the 6 Cylinder sound like an 8 with no excessive noise. Its throaty, but its what we ( and others) Americans love. The extra Ponies were helpful in blasting the 5.0's that Ford made famous. Although it wasnt only the exhaust system, it definately didnt hurt the performance. By the way, I do not work for Borla, only a fan. Jay\ 1995 GMC Sonoma 1971 Chevy Malibu ( in restoring stages) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do like the flowmaster sound but my 4" side exit was attracted too many cops. I switched to a stainless Borla kit from headers to bumper http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/BORLA.htm The kit fit really nice using factory mounting locations. Sound is good pretty quite at idle.Walthttp://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm- Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Saturday, June 4, 2005 7:29 amSubject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5 I am going to put a new exhaust system on my '70 LS5 and am considering Flowmasters series 30 or a system by Pypes Performance Exhaust. Anybody have any experience with the Pypes Performance company? Anybody have any other thoughts for a powerful sounding system that won't drive you nuts inside while crusing? I am open to all input. Thanks, Jerry Wells ACES 5923 __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5
Here's my previous post about Pypes: I bought my 3" exhaust from pypes exhaust, and it is awesome.http://www.pypesexhaust.com/I mocked up the kit myself, and easily could have put it on if I would havehad a lift. The exhaust over the rear axle was a PITA, so I brought it tothe muffler shop, and they put it on cheap. They said it was the best kitthey had ever put in. I got the X pipe with the cut outs so that I can getthat race sound when I want (I plan on putting the electric cutouts on thecar soon), but went with the pypes mufflers because the 502 has a big voice,and I wanted to be somewhat quiet when idling through the neighborhood. Itstill sounds great though, and has a very deep/mean bass sound when idling.LaterCharleswww.65ss.com P.S. I had nothing but great stuff from them. When I called with questions they took the time, and helped me, and the kit was almost perfect fit. One tail pipe was slightly cocked (1/2", probably wouldn't have noticed) but the muffler shop fixed it. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 6:29 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5 I am going to put a new exhaust system on my '70 LS5 and am considering Flowmasters series 30 or a system by Pypes Performance Exhaust. Anybody have any experience with the Pypes Performance company? Anybody have any other thoughts for a powerful sounding system that won't drive you nuts inside while crusing? I am open to all input. Thanks, Jerry Wells ACES 5923
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5
I just installed a new exhaust system on my 69 El Camino w/350 SBCand used 2.5" 3"aluminized tubing with Flowmaster series 40 Delta Flows. One word describes it: loud. The newer Pypes stuff is pretty good. Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am going to put a new exhaust system on my '70 LS5 and am considering Flowmasters series 30 or a system by Pypes Performance Exhaust. Anybody have any experience with the Pypes Performance company? Anybody have any other thoughts for a powerful sounding system that won't drive you nuts inside while crusing? I am open to all input. Thanks, Jerry Wells ACES 5923
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust System - LS 5
10.30's at 132mph? YOWZA! Nice car,Walt. Clint Hooper HH Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net I do like the flowmaster sound but my 4 side exit was attracted too many cops. I switched to a stainless Borla kit from headers to bumper http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/BORLA.htm The kit fit really nice using factory mounting locations. Sound is good pretty quite at idle. Walt http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust
What ever you use - try a X pipe. - Original Message - From: Dan Mascheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:24 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust I just bought some Hooker Super Comps from Jet Hot. I have the new ceramic coating and they do a wonderful job!! The next question is what to mate them to I know I want at least a 3 exhaust. Why would someone have a larger exhaust manifold. I have heard of someone having 4 tubing. WHY? The next problem is...do you go: Flowmaster, Magnaflow, Dynatech, Borla, Pyrees...What do you use. I do like an aggressive sound like at the drags, but I know I will be driving it on the streets as well! HELP!! Dan Mascheck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 12:16 PM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Chevelle-list Digest, Vol 22, Issue 68 Send Chevelle-list mailing list submissions to Chevelle-list@chevelles.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Chevelle-list digest...
RE: [Chevelle-list] exhaust manafolds needed
Was I dreaming or was there a link just recently posted for exhaust manifolds for Chevys; both BB and small block? Rich -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:27 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-list] exhaust manafolds needed I need a stock set of exhaust manafolds for a 283/327, that have the alternator bracket on the drivers side manafold. They are not the rams horn varity but the ones used in 65 66 Chevelles. If you have a set you want to sell, please let me know condition and price. A picture would also help.Thanks,Bob Haggard
Re: [Chevelle-list] exhaust manafolds needed
I have a set off of a 64 wagon with a 327, would that work or not? = Mack __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
RE: [Chevelle-list] exhaust manafolds needed
I don't have the original post but the old Chevy SB x-mans are pretty interchangeable. John Nasta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mack Miller Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 1:29 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] exhaust manafolds needed I have a set off of a 64 wagon with a 327, would that work or not? = Mack __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust/Header Tape Question
Header tape is known for trapping moisture and accelerating corrosion. Getting your headers coated inside and out is another way to help reduce underhood heat and you won't be replacing them after a couple of years... Brad O. Does anyone currently have their headers wrapped w/that heat/exhaust tape that's available? I was just looking for some feedback on how well it works- My Summit catalog basically says that using it pretty much voids any/all header warranties. Thanks, Jim
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust/Header Tape Question
Pretty much causes the header to rust from the inside out. Quality, thicker headers will last ok cheap, thin tubing will crumble fast. I personally would invest in coating. Looks 100 times better and will last better. Mikey - Original Message - From: J. Brady Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 7:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust/Header Tape Question Does anyone currently have their headers wrappedw/that heat/exhaust tape that's available? I was justlooking for some feedback on how well it works- MySummit catalog basically says that using it prettymuch voids any/all header warranties.Thanks,Jim'66 Malibu'59 Corvette='59 Corvette #53661959 Corvette Registry, Webmasterhttp://59vette.cjb.net__Do you Yahoo!?Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover
Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust/Header Tape Question
http://www.centuryperformance.com/heatwraps.asp - Original Message - From: J. Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 5:24 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust/Header Tape Question Does anyone currently have their headers wrapped w/that heat/exhaust tape that's available? I was just looking for some feedback on how well it works- My Summit catalog basically says that using it pretty much voids any/all header warranties. Thanks, Jim '66 Malibu '59 Corvette = '59 Corvette #5366 1959 Corvette Registry, Webmaster http://59vette.cjb.net __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover
RE: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust question
I ordered a flow master kit, the one without the mufflers. Fit and finish and materials were very nice. I don't like the flowmaster mufflers Ieventually put on (personal preference), but the tube kit wasgood. Mark -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Craig Cerena RobertsonSent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:24 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust question I'm thinking of putting a new exhaust on my 69 Chevelle, 396, after the driving season is over in my area. My flowmasters seem to be just fine, so I won't have to replace them. Can anyone recommend what exhaust to place on the my car. Craig 69 SS
RE: [Chevelle-List] Exhaust Hanger Question
Thanks Wayne and Tom for the reply. I didn't think the extra hanger was necessary, but wanted some confirmation from those who have done this before. Tom Tomlinson '71 Malibu -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of WayneSent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 11:31 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Exhaust Hanger Question Tom, I have put on a few American Thunder Flowmaster kit's. Both full length and shortie headers I have never used a hange on A body car, in the collector area. Just the factory type at the rear exit of the muffler and from the frame At the tail pipe area. I have used two methods of securing the collector extension to the H pipe. One cut to length and fit. tac weld and remove and then weld solid, and the other, the full circle stainless steel BAND CLAMPS... (dynamax) But IMO you need no hanger at the collector reducer on a Chevelle or El-Camino Wayne ACES # 1556 TCG # 186 - Original Message - From: Tom Tomlinson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 11:16 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Exhaust Hanger Question I'm in the middle of installing new headers and Flowmaster exhaust system on my '71 350 Malibu. The Hedman instructions say you should have an exhaust hanger near the header collector. The American Thunder exhaust doesn't come with a hanger in that location, and my old header system didn't have a hanger there either. Should Imount new hangers near the header collectors? If so, should they go on the transmission cross member? Tom Tomlinson '71 Malibu
Re: [Chevelle-List] Exhaust Hanger Question
Tom, I have put on a few American Thunder Flowmaster kit's. Both full length and shortie headers I have never used a hange on A body car, in the collector area. Just the factory type at the rear exit of the muffler and from the frame At the tail pipe area. I have used two methods of securing the collector extension to the H pipe. One cut to length and fit. tac weld and remove and then weld solid, and the other, the full circle stainless steel BAND CLAMPS... (dynamax) But IMO you need no hanger at the collector reducer on a Chevelle or El-Camino Wayne ACES # 1556 TCG # 186 - Original Message - From: Tom Tomlinson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 11:16 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Exhaust Hanger Question I'm in the middle of installing new headers and Flowmaster exhaust system on my '71 350 Malibu. The Hedman instructions say you should have an exhaust hanger near the header collector. The American Thunder exhaust doesn't come with a hanger in that location, and my old header system didn't have a hanger there either. Should Imount new hangers near the header collectors? If so, should they go on the transmission cross member? Tom Tomlinson '71 Malibu
Re: [Chevelle-List] Exhaust Hanger Question
I have an American Thunder system on my 70 big block and do not have hangers up by the collectors. I reccomend to weld all the joints just for appearance sake. I have the hangers in the stock locations. You do not have to worry about the exhaust or mufflers hanging down or turning because it is an H-Pipe. Tom
Re: [Chevelle-List] Exhaust Pipe Diameter
Sound like a good combination, remember one of the factors in mufflers and noise is the number of cylinders per muffler, duals on a V8 will be noisier than the same muffler with all 8 flowing thought it. Hey all, I am building an exhaust system for my 67 with a 250-I6. I have headers, with 1 1/2 x 36 main tubes, into 2 1/2 x 5 collectors. What do I do to determine the best pipe size? cn I run 2 1/2 all the way back, or would that cause nasty side effects? I'm considering a Flowmaster 70-series muffler (#52573, offset/offset 2 1/2 in and out.) Erring on the side of quieter rather than louder would be preferable. If I can, running the headers into a y-pipe, then to the muffler would be the easiest, seeing as the collectors and the muffler both accept 2 1/2 pipe. Any thoughts? Dave. -- www.swingvictoria.com - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] Re: [Chevelle-list] Exhaust hanger location
Rodney, I don't know if you are still looking for info on the hanger location but here goes anyways. I just had the flowmaster system installed on my '70 Chevelle by the local muffler shop. I had to help him as I put new headers on as well. The place you are looking for is on top of the back frame rail right in front of the rearmost body mount. On my frame there is a hole there with one of those clips that you would use to mount a bolt into when securing an inner fender. We took the bracket from the kit and only had to bend it a little in order to get it to mount to that hole. I wish I had a picture with me but I am at work. If you would like a picture of my installation, please feel free to email me off list and I would be more than happy to get you one. I hope that I didn't confuse you. Thanks, Chuck 1970 Chevelle _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Exhaust hanger location
Thanks for the reply Herb. I found that one. The one I'm talking about is the tailpipe hanger in the back, not the hangers that hold the mufflers. I think they go on the frame somewhere, but I can't figure out exactly where. I did just watch the flowmaster installation video again and realized it said the hole may need to be enlarged on some Chevelles (their installation is on a 64 malibu and I have a 71). That might be what's been throwing me off. I'll have to take another look later tonight. Rodney. 71 Chevelle El Mirage, AZ - Original Message - From: Herbert Lumpp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] List archive and exhaust hanger location Hi Rodney, The stock location for the exhaust hangers is on the rear cross member. If you get under the car and look up at the crossmember, you'll see a small hole (may or may not be threaded) on the outer most end on both sides. A bit further in toward the center, you see two more holes drilled on the vertical side of the crossmember. These probably aren't very clear locations, but each hanger uses two bolts, one goes up towards the bed, the other goes towards the front or back (depending which way you start the bolt) of the car. If you have a 2002 Year One catalog, look on page 106, middle of page, left side. Maybe the picture of the hangers will help you understand my description better. cYa- Herb Lumpp 1966 El Camino ACES 3509, MCC 528 http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/ - Original Message - From: Rodney. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] List archive and exhaust hanger location On a side note. If anyone who has installed the Flowmaster 2-1/2 exhaust kit on their car has a picture (or REALLY detailed instructions) of where the rearmost hanger is supposed to bolt in, I could really use it. It says to use the stock location, but 1) I don't know where that is because the last person who did exhaust made their own holes and stuff. 2) The bracket doesn't seem to line up anywhere and I'm stumped trying to figure it out. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] exhaust question
No recording and I can't remember! The x pipe does not sound like duals - it's smoother and sounds like the engine is running at a higher rpm at all speeds than duals. Probably sounds best with a manual trans. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rodney. Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] exhaust question Do you have a recording? :) Are your 40's Delta Flows or not? Rodney. 71 Chevelle El Mirage, AZ - Original Message - From: Craig A. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 7:33 AM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] exhaust question I run a Dr. Gas X pipe and Flowmaster 40's and love it. Super nice round tone, killer idle, but it quiets down at highway speed. Craig E. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joseph Tiberio Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-List] exhaust question Hi guys, I have a '71 Chevelle SS 454 LS-5 that is bone stock with 89,000 miles on it. About 300 miles ago (3years ago) I put a new 2 ½ walker exhaust with Dynomax super turbos. The car still has the original exhaust manifolds on it. My question is, will this exhaust get a louder and deeper tone with time? Would headers help? It is too quiet for me, but I dont want glass packs. It just doesnt roar like a flowmaster exhaust does. any ideas? thanks for any help Joe - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] exhaust question
Here's a '71 but not a 350, rather a 454. http://home.attbi.com/~addss/noise.mpg -- Jeff Fischer Lake Elmo, MN '71 Chevelle SS, 454, 4 spd http://home.attbi.com/~addss/chevelle.html At 05:12 PM 9/17/2002 -0700, you wrote: Sounds great, Dale! :) I'm looking for a sound clip from a longer body style, so 68-72 with a 2.5 exhaust and 40 series Flowmasters, preferably behind a 350, just to get an idea of what it might sound like on my car. If all goes as planned I'm looking at putting in a 350 and a new exhaust system within the next month. Speaking of, has anyone confirmed the rumor about crate engines being on sale in Oct.? I know 2 people who work for Chevy and they haven't heard anything about it. Just wondering... Rodney. 71 Chevelle El Mirage, AZ - Original Message - From: 396guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 4:28 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] exhaust question Rodney, I have a short .wav file of my 67 with the Flowmaster American Thunder exhaust w/30 series (52533) mufflers. http://www.dalesplace.com/images/chevelle/more_pics/p852.wav Dale McIntosh ACES #1709/TC #92 Gold 67 SS/67 Elky http://www.dalesplace.com http://www.team67.com http://www.midwestchevelles.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rodney. Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] exhaust question Do you have a recording? :) Are your 40's Delta Flows or not? Rodney. 71 Chevelle El Mirage, AZ - Original Message - From: Craig A. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 7:33 AM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] exhaust question I run a Dr. Gas X pipe and Flowmaster 40's and love it. Super nice round tone, killer idle, but it quiets down at highway speed. Craig E. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joseph Tiberio Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-List] exhaust question Hi guys, I have a '71 Chevelle SS 454 LS-5 that is bone stock with 89,000 miles on it. About 300 miles ago (3years ago) I put a new 2 ½ walker exhaust with Dynomax super turbos. The car still has the original exhaust manifolds on it. My question is, will this exhaust get a louder and deeper tone with time? Would headers help? It is too quiet for me, but I dont want glass packs. It just doesnt roar like a flowmaster exhaust does. any ideas? thanks for any help Joe - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] exhaust question
Thanks My brother in law had a pair on a 92 mustang GT (thats why I picked up a set) and it sounded a lot nicer and louder than mine does. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/17/02 07:59PM at 100 miles a year it may take awhile for it to break in - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] exhaust question
A guy I race with has an old Falcon with a X-pipe setup. Sounds way cool. Like Craig said, it sounds like it's running at a higher RPM with a smooth sound. Next time I re-do my exhaust, I think I'm gonna run the X-pipe. -Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Craig A. Ellis Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 8:39 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] exhaust question No recording and I can't remember! The x pipe does not sound like duals - it's smoother and sounds like the engine is running at a higher rpm at all speeds than duals. Probably sounds best with a manual trans. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rodney. Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] exhaust question Do you have a recording? :) Are your 40's Delta Flows or not? Rodney. 71 Chevelle El Mirage, AZ - Original Message - From: Craig A. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 7:33 AM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] exhaust question I run a Dr. Gas X pipe and Flowmaster 40's and love it. Super nice round tone, killer idle, but it quiets down at highway speed. Craig E. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joseph Tiberio Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-List] exhaust question Hi guys, I have a '71 Chevelle SS 454 LS-5 that is bone stock with 89,000 miles on it. About 300 miles ago (3years ago) I put a new 2 ½ walker exhaust with Dynomax super turbos. The car still has the original exhaust manifolds on it. My question is, will this exhaust get a louder and deeper tone with time? Would headers help? It is too quiet for me, but I dont want glass packs. It just doesnt roar like a flowmaster exhaust does. any ideas? thanks for any help Joe - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] exhaust question
At 10:06 AM 09/17/2002 -0400, you wrote: My question is, will this exhaust get a louder and deeper tone with time? No. Would headers help? It is too quiet for me, but I dont want glass packs. It just doesnt roar like a flowmaster exhaust does. Only a flowmaster does that G. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
