CCO practice questions

2001-03-04 Thread Fred Danson

Hi,

Could anyone give me the directions to get to the practice question section 
on the Cisco website? I have CCO access, but I can't seem to find the 
questions. Also, please include directions instead of just a link, I would 
like to be able to see what else is offered in the section.

Thanks in advance,
Fred

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E1 and S/T ISDN interfaces in Australia

2001-03-04 Thread Albert Lu

Hi All,

I'm trying to test an ISDN S/T interface on a 3620. At the moment, I have an
E1 link with 2 channels being used. And I was wondering if it is possible to
test the S/T interfaces on the 3620 with the E1 link? Will I fry the circuit
on the S/T port?

Thanks

Albert

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re: CCNP Certification

2001-03-04 Thread Johnny Sun

CCNP Foundation 165 minutres,about 105 question,divided into three part,each
pass score 692.

Johnny Sun, CCNP




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>Pass scores are between 690 and 710.
>You will get between 63 and 65 questions.
>Time allowed is 75 minutes as much as I remember.
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Re: CID 3.0 study material/books?

2001-03-04 Thread Richard Chang


Well, I used the CiscoPress CID book and that's probably all you need to
prepare for this exam if you already had your CCNP.

Note that I would only recommend this CID books for those who want to take
the CID test. I don't think it is a good Network Design book, you should
have other reference materials so that you know how to deal all those
unclear points in the Cisco CID book.  ^__^

Richard

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Re: Point-to-point vs. multi-point

2001-03-04 Thread Nigel Taylor

Thomas,
I guess the most important thing would be that in  a P-t-P
you're limited to using the
"frame-relay interface-dlci" command. Where as in the multipoint you can
make use of the "frame map" command and the interface dlci" command.  Note
that there are some pitfalls in order in which they are used.  Apart from
that there are of course various issues as it related to different routing
protocols.

Chuck L, recently posted some observations he made of the common protocols
listed on the CCIE blueprint(EIGRP, OSPF, and RIP).  Caslow's book has a
little section that covers this topic..

HTH

Nigel

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> Hi All - I wonder what is the trade-off between configuration of
> point-to-point and multi-point for PVC?  What about dynamic learning of
DLCI
> and static entries for mapping?  Thanks All!
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Point-to-point vs. multi-point

2001-03-04 Thread Thomas

Hi All - I wonder what is the trade-off between configuration of
point-to-point and multi-point for PVC?  What about dynamic learning of DLCI
and static entries for mapping?  Thanks All!


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Re: CIT for CCNP 2.0

2001-03-04 Thread Igor Glavanic

I think you should use Cisco Internetwork troubleshooting ISBN: 157800922

Cheers

Igor Glavanic


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Re: CCNP Certification

2001-03-04 Thread Igor Glavanic

Pass scores are between 690 and 710.
You will get between 63 and 65 questions.
Time allowed is 75 minutes as much as I remember.




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CCNP Certification

2001-03-04 Thread Marcello Honma Ishida

Hello All,

I=B4ll soon take the CCNP exams so i have a couple of questions:

In case of doing two tests only CCNP foundations and support:

* What are the respective score to pass ont each exam?
* How many questions and time per test we have?

If anyone could help me on these matters i would be very greatfull!!



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Re: Cat 2900 XL series

2001-03-04 Thread Nathan

It depends on what your going to do with your lab. Do you need 12 ports or 24 ports?

John Chang wrote:

> Does it matter if I get a cat 2912 XL EN instead of a 2924C XL EN for my
> home lab?In other words which 2900 XL EN should I get?  Thank you!
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Re: Just picked up 2 routers

2001-03-04 Thread Vincent

You only have 2M Ram on board, if i guess right.  No memory installed in the
DRAM Slot, if
I guess it right.

You can open the chasis of your router, you should able to insert one piece
of 16M DRAM in your router.

8 RAM Flash.

Vincent
""vert"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó 97umes$vp3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:97umes$vp3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I just bought 2 Cisco 2524's and I am trying to check how much ram they
came
> with. Can anyone inform me on how to view the memory. When I boot the
router
> I get this config:
> cisco 2524 (68030) processor (revision J) with 1024K/1024K bytes of
memory.
> Processor board ID 06956739, with hardware revision 
> Bridging software.
> X.25 software, Version 3.0.0.
> Basic Rate ISDN software, Version 1.0.
> 1 Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s)
> 2 Serial network interface(s)
> 1 ISDN Basic Rate interface(s)
> Integrated NT1 for ISDN Basic Rate interface
> 5-in-1 module for Serial Interface 0
> 56k 4-wire CSU/DSU for Serial Interface 1
> 32K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.
> 8192K bytes of processor board System flash (Read ONLY)
>
> Can I figure out what the total amount of ram is from this info? I just
> don't want to be cheated. I am new to the Cisco environment.
>
> Thanks
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ATM PVC monitoring with RPM

2001-03-04 Thread Teerapun

Dear sir,

I got the problem when I try to use MRTG for generate traffic monitoring of
ATM subinterface of Cisco Router (RPM module of MGX that compatible with
cisco7200). Please help me how can I config cisco router and mrtg becuase I
try many way but not work at all. Thanks for advance.

Best Regards,
Teerapun P.


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Re: Tacacs+ Trouble

2001-03-04 Thread Andy


I imagine just asking the question would get better results.

andy

On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, joshandlaura wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have a question regarding TACACS+.  I have a server up and running
> already but I've been having trouble administering the box (adding/deleting
> users, changing passwords, etc...it's a Dell PC w/128m and Red Hat 7.0.
> It runs like a champ but I would like some better understanding on how
> TACACS+ server is built up, because our Network Engineer was "let go" I
> inherited the box.  I have tried to find some strait-forward answers/configs
> on the web but haven't seen anything remotely directional.  I can give more
> info if anyone would like to take a shot at it...
> 
> 
> J. Way
> Network Technician, CCNA
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Cat 2900 XL series

2001-03-04 Thread John Chang

Does it matter if I get a cat 2912 XL EN instead of a 2924C XL EN for my 
home lab?In other words which 2900 XL EN should I get?  Thank you!

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RE: Did I luck out or what!

2001-03-04 Thread Daniel Cotts

If those Cisco boxes are true 4000s not 4500 or 4700s then the FastEthernet
module won't work. Your serial ports are not the standard 60 pin?? If so
you'll need to look on eBay for the correct cables - may have to do a 20'
two cable routine. You could also check out the custom cable companies.
www.stonewallcable.com or LoDanWest.com are two of many.
Verify the DRAM, shared ram and Flash on your boxes. They may need to be
increased to run newer IOS versions.
Hey - the price was right. I recently bought modules on eBay for a 4500M.
Most likely there are better deals. 4-port BRI ISDN S/T $103, 4-port serial
$425, 6-port ethernet $660.

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> 
> I'm in the beginning stages of throwing together a home lab 
> (otherwise known
> as electric heating.)  All I had to mess around with before 
> was a 2501 with
> one broken serial port.
> 
> Today an acquaintance gave me--for free--two Cisco 4000 
> routers (one with a
> 2-port serial module, the other is empty and running 9.1!!), a 3COM
> Netbuilder router, and a AT&T 16-port hub.  Heck of a deal, 
> huh?  Well, the
> Cisco stuff is a good deal.  Hubs are cheaper than dirt 
> nowadays, and the
> 3com POS is annoying.  To say that its user interface was not 
> intuitive
> would be kind.  It appears that it can do a lot, I just don't 
> know if I have
> the patience to decipher the CLI!  
> 
> Anyway, I now need to find a couple more cables and some 
> network modules for
> the 4000's.  Do any of you know where I can get these 
> *really* cheap?  Yes,
> I'm becoming a tightwad, but only because I married one.
> 
> I need another 2-port serial module, at least one ethernet module, and
> perhaps even a fast ethernet module. 
> 
> Any thoughts on who to call?
> 
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RE: Just picked up 2 routers

2001-03-04 Thread adam lee

8mb flash

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You have 1024+1024 bytes which totals to 2048 bytes of RAM (2 Mb)


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> I just bought 2 Cisco 2524's and I am trying to check how much ram they
came
> with. Can anyone inform me on how to view the memory. When I boot the
router
> I get this config:
> cisco 2524 (68030) processor (revision J) with 1024K/1024K bytes of
memory.
> Processor board ID 06956739, with hardware revision 
> Bridging software.
> X.25 software, Version 3.0.0.
> Basic Rate ISDN software, Version 1.0.
> 1 Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s)
> 2 Serial network interface(s)
> 1 ISDN Basic Rate interface(s)
> Integrated NT1 for ISDN Basic Rate interface
> 5-in-1 module for Serial Interface 0
> 56k 4-wire CSU/DSU for Serial Interface 1
> 32K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.
> 8192K bytes of processor board System flash (Read ONLY)
>
> Can I figure out what the total amount of ram is from this info? I just
> don't want to be cheated. I am new to the Cisco environment.
>
> Thanks
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Re: Cisco Chat Rooms

2001-03-04 Thread suaveguru

I love to try out the chat room now 

thanks

suaveguru
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Switching types!!

2001-03-04 Thread suaveguru

hi all,

while studying for the support exam I came across
Silicon switching, netflow switching , silicon
switching , Automonous switching , process switching
etc.

I am confused by so many switching types and what
routers support them

anyone can give me a quick brief overview and what it
will be tested on in the exam

thanks

suaveguru


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CATM and CVOICE exam.

2001-03-04 Thread william

Hi Guys

I'm taking the CATM exam on this week and next week is CVOICE.  Can you guys
advice me on this?


William





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Tacacs+ Trouble

2001-03-04 Thread joshandlaura

Hello everyone,

I have a question regarding TACACS+.  I have a server up and running
already but I've been having trouble administering the box (adding/deleting
users, changing passwords, etc...it's a Dell PC w/128m and Red Hat 7.0.
It runs like a champ but I would like some better understanding on how
TACACS+ server is built up, because our Network Engineer was "let go" I
inherited the box.  I have tried to find some strait-forward answers/configs
on the web but haven't seen anything remotely directional.  I can give more
info if anyone would like to take a shot at it...


J. Way
Network Technician, CCNA


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Re: Hexadecimal numbers

2001-03-04 Thread Tom Lisa

2nd try without HTML!

Don't have a good site, but perhaps this will help.  BTW,
this assumes (and we all know how dangerous that is) that
you are fairly comfortable with binary math.  If you
aren't, I suggest you visit www.learntosubnet.com and
review their section on binary math.

Converting from Hex is quite simple if you use Binary as
your conversion medium or what I call the Nibble Method.
Since Hex is Base16 and Binary is Base2, you can think
of Hex as shorthand for Binary.  In Binary each column
position has a range of two values ( 0 or 1 ).  In Hex
each column position has a range of sixteen values (0-9
& A-F, where A=10, B=11, C=12, D=12, E=14, F=15).
Finally, in Decimal each column position has a range of
ten values (0 - 9).

>From this we can see that it takes four bit positions in
binary to represent all the possible values of one hex
position.  For example, with one binary nibble (four bits):

binary  hex  binary  hex  binary  hex  binary  hex
  =  0   0100  =  4   1000  =  8   1100  =  C
0001  =  1   0101  =  5   1001  =  9   1101  =  D
0010  =  2   0110  =  6   1010  =  A   1110  =  E
0011  =  3   0111  =  7   1011  =  B     =  F

Thus any two character HEX number (as Hex is normally
displayed) can be converted to binary simply by converting
each character separately.

HEX: A D  E7
thus
BINARY: 1010  1101  1110  0111
thus
DECIMAL:  128+32+8+4+1 = 173 & 128+64+32+4+2+1 = 231
PROOF:  16^0=1, D * 1 = 13*1 = 13
16^1=16, A * 16 = 10 * 16 = 160
160 + 13 = 173
PROOF:  16^0=1, E * 1 = 7 * 1 = 7
16^1=16, 7 * 16 = 14 * 16 = 224
224 + 7 = 231

Larger Hex numbers are also easily converted

HEX: 6B F
thus
BINARY:0110  1011  
thus
DECIMAL:  1024+512+128+32+16+8+4+2+1 = 1727
PROOF:   16^0 = 1, F * 1 = 15 * 1 = 15
 16^1 = 16, B * 16 = 11 * 16 = 176
 16^2 = 256, 6 * 256 = 1536
 1536 + 176 + 15 = 1727

Going from Decimal to Hex is just a reverse of the above
process. Convert the Decimal number to Binary, divide the
binary bits (working right to left) into Nibbles and then
convert each Nibble to Hex.

When converting Decimal to Binary I prefer the division by two method.
You divide the Decimal number by two and the remainder becomes the
first binary bit, working from right to left.

DECIMAL:   792
CONVERSION:
  792/2 = 396 Remainder 0,  BINARY = 0
  396/2 = 198 Remainder 0,  BINARY = 00
  198/2 =  99 Remainder 0,  BINARY = 000
   99/2 =  49 Remainder 1,  BINARY = 1000
   49/2 =  24 Remainder 1,  BINARY = 1 1000
   24/2 =  12 Remainder 0,  BINARY = 01 1000
   12/2 =   6 Remainder 0,  BINARY = 001 1000
6/2 =   3 Remainder 0,  BINARY = 0001 1000
3/2 =   1 Remainder 0,  BINARY = 1 0001 1000
1/2 =   0 Remainder 1,  BINARY = 0011 0001 1000
 ^^ Padded to make a nibble
BINARY:   0011  0001  1000
HEX:   3 1 8
PROOF:  16^0 = 1, 1 * 8 = 8
16^1 = 16, 16 * 1 = 16
16^2 = 256, 256 * 3 = 768
768+16+8 = 792

Another method was provided by Priscilla in a response
to a similar question by someone else.  Whichever you
use, just remember that practice is the key to
understanding.

HTH,

Tom Lisa, Instructor, CCNA, CCAI
Community College of Southern Nevada
Cisco Regional Networking Academy




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Re: How would you Explain it.

2001-03-04 Thread Kenneth

That's what sucks about Cleveland. We get the new technologies the last...
Should have stayed in Chicago! lol.

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> PacBell is also offering a "GigaMan" service in selected citiies
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> >We have public IP addresses, our own DNS servers, Web servers, etc. The
> >only sort of strange thing is that the layer-two LAN crosses the MAN, if
> >that makes any sense. At our site we just have a two-port switch. A
> >single-mode fiber link connects our switch to a router port at the
> >provider's site across town. The provider is connected to the Internet.
> >
> >(When the provider said he was installing a two-port switch, I had to
laugh
> >and ask, isn't that a bridge??)
> >
> >Priscilla
> >
> >At 09:09 AM 3/3/01, Kenneth wrote:
> >>I'm curious, if you're connected to a switch, then you don't have
control
> >>over your public IP Addresses then such as DNS,... or is this mostly
used
> >>for office to office links as opposed to a gateway to the internet?
> >>
> >>I guess the reason i'm wondering is we currently have an entire class C
> and
> >>we host our own DNS, web servers, ftp,... and I'm curious as to how this
> >>would affect our routings if we do go with such a service.
> >>
> >>
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> >> > We upgraded our T1 WAN link that cost $1500 per month to a
single-mode
> >> > fiber-optic 10-Mbps Ethernet MAN link that costs $700 per month. We
> just
> >> > have a switch at our site, no router even. Seriously. Our local
> >> > municipality has a Gigabit Ethernet single-mode fiber-optic ring
> running
> >> > around town, and they lease capacity on it. The city is connected to
> the
> >> > Internet via a Cisco 7200 and a Sprint T3 link. We piggy back onto
> that.
> >> >
> >> > And I'm in Southern Oregon, a supposedly rural area. It's happening
in
> >> > other towns also. Sometimes I forget how lucky we are!
> >> >
> >> > Priscilla
> >> >
> >> > At 02:28 PM 3/2/01, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
> >> > > >I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to
point
> >> > > >connections to at lease a 10mbps connection.  He is thinking along
> the
> >>lines
> >> > > >of LAN technologies.  He idea connection is a 1gb connection.  How
> >>would go
> >> > > >about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without
> >>damaging his
> >> > > >ego.  His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about
> networks.
> >> > >
> >> > >I wouldn't say he is totally out of his mind, if he's in a
geographic
> >> > >area served by one of the bleeding edge Optical Ethernet providers.
> >> > >Very rare so far, but there are 100 or 1000 Mbps physical facilities
> >> > >over which the user pays for the amount of bandwidth he needs.  Most
> >> > >of the ones I'm aware of are in Europe.
> >> > >
> >> > >In the vast majority of locations, he is out of his mind.  Assuming
> >> > >he needs 10 Mbps, your choices include inverse multiplexed T1 and
> >> > >ATM, fractional T3, or 10 Mbps over OC-3 facilities. I had a design
> >> > >not too long ago where we were able to bring in some of the voice as
> >> > >well, and found that OC-3 was quite cost-effective.  It ran into a
> >> > >7200.  A 3600 is probably the lowest end router to consider.
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >btw...
> >> > > >
> >> > > >I've gone ahead and gotten quotes on a t1 and t3 lines.  I know I
> can
> >>use a
> >> > > >2600 for the T1 connection but what is there a adapter for taking
a
> >>clear
> >> > > >channel T3 for the 2600 or do I have to look at a 7000 series
> router.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Thanks,
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Keith Townsend
> >> > > >www.townsendconsulting.com
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re: Secondary IP addressing

2001-03-04 Thread Johnny Sun

Use extended ping.


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>How are they connected ?
>
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>>
>> I am setting up secondary IPs on two of my serial interfaces.  I can ping
>> both IPs on ROUTER B from the other ROUTER A.  The problem is that I
>cannot
>> ping the secondary IP on ROUTER A from ROUTER B.  What would cause this?
>>
>> Router A
>> int serial 0
>> ip address 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
>> ip address 128.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 secondary
>>
>>
>> Router B
>> int serial 0
>> ip address 10.1.1.2 255.255.255.0
>> ip address 128.1.1.2 255.255.255.0 secondary
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Cisco Equipment- Follow-up

2001-03-04 Thread John Diaz

For those that asked,

The Windows NT Server listed previuosly is loaded with CiscoSecure ACS =
for Windows NT Version 2.3.

I also have the boxed (still shrink-wrapped) set of CiscoSecure ACS for =
UNIX Version 2.3 which can be loaded on a UNIX/Linux  server.=20

Ciscolatin.

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re: 2 ISP's

2001-03-04 Thread Johnny Sun

Hi,

I want to say,without your own AS and use BGP,you cant do the load balancing
with only one router.One router only permit one interface with "ip nat
outside",this is the problem.I've do the load balancing to two isp using one
pix and two 3620 router,in which two 3620 do the job of nat.You can use
"default-network" plus dynamic routing or link the two 3620 and config
policy routing on them.

Regards.

Johnny Sun

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>Terminating 2 ISP links on the same router will not require BGP.  Just use
>floating static default routes and load balance out the two links.  If you
>own your own AS (public AS), then use BGP for advertisement only.
>
>Vince
>
>
>Oleh Hrynchuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> Larry Lamb wrote:
>> >
>> > Well what type of router are you looking to deploy?  This will
>significantly
>> > influence your decision on what type of routing/connectivity that
you'll
>> > use.  Full BGP tables can chew up a lot of memory.  Looking a the
>Mae-East
>> > Looking Glass at Digex, they're using almost 30MB.  That's going to
>require
>> > a router with 64MB more like 128MB of memory.
>>
>> second is true.
>> 64 Mb isn't enough already since several months ago.
>>
>> >  A lot of this type of
>> > configuration will be covered in Internet Routing Architectures by
>Halabi.
>> > It's a Cisco Press title.
>>
>>
>> Generally, I would want to say that answer for the question needs real
>knowledge
>> about several internetworking area.
>> What about propagating of [sub]networks? Whom and what?
>> What about negotiating with both ISP about policy routing and other
staff?
>> (I have some experience with working in a ISP as system engineer and can
>say
>> that it isn't so easy)
>>
>>
>> So, resume is (IMHO): theoretically it is possible of course.
>> But in practice let's say, it is not easy so far...
>>
>>
>>
>> CHEERS, ;-)
>>
>> OLEH
>>
>>
>> >
>> > "Atul Kumar Udupi" wrote in message <97o0uf$pmu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> > >can u give me some more info please
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >"Larry Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> > >> Yep, you can do a lot of different things with routing as well
>depending
>> > >on
>> > >> the memory available, etc.  Full BGP from both, full BGP from one
>with a
>> > >> floating static route, etc.
>> > >>
>> > >> "Atul Kumar Udupi" wrote in message <97nsnb$gr8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> > >> >Greetings,
>> > >> >Hello All  I would like to know , Is there any way to terminate
>2
>> > >ISP's
>> > >> >on a same cisco router and use them as a redundant link.
>> > >> >
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Re: Hexadecimal numbers

2001-03-04 Thread Tom Lisa

2nd try without HTML!

Don't have a good site, but perhaps this will help.  BTW, this assumes
(and we all know how dangerous that is) that you are fairly comfortable
with binary math.  If you aren't, I suggest you visit
www.learntosubnet.com
and review their section on binary math.

Converting from Hex is quite simple if you use Binary as your conversion

medium or what I call the Nibble Method.  Since Hex is Base16 and Binary

is Base2, you can think of Hex as shorthand for Binary.  In Binary each
column position has a range of two values ( 0 or 1 ).  In Hex each
column
position has a range of sixteen values (0-9 & A-F, where A=10, B=11,
C=12, D=12, E=14, F=15).  And finally, in Decimal each column position
has a range of ten values (0 - 9).

>From this we can see that it takes four bit positions in binary to
represent
all the possible values of one hex position.  For example, with one
binary
nibble (four bits):

binaryhexbinaryhexbinaryhexbinaryhex
   =  0   0100  =  4   1000  =  8   1100  =  C
 0001  =  1   0101  =  5   1001  =  9   1101  =  D
 0010  =  2   0110  =  6   1010  =  A   1110  =  E
 0011  =  3   0111  =  7   1011  =  B     =  F

Thus any two character HEX number (as Hex is normally displayed) can be
converted to binary simply by converting each character separately.

HEX:  A   D   E7
thus
BINARY:  1010  1101   1110  0111
thus
DECIMAL:  128+32+8+4+1 = 173   128+64+32+4+2+1 = 231
PROOF:  16^0=1, D * 1 = 13*1 = 13
16^1=16, A * 16 = 10 * 16 = 160
160 + 13 = 173

Larger Hex numbers are also easily converted

HEX:  6   B   F
thus
BINARY:0110  1011  
thus
DECIMAL:  1024+512+128+32+16+8+4+2+1 = 1727
PROOF:   16^0 = 1, F * 1 = 15 * 1 = 15
16^1 = 16, B * 16 = 11 * 16 = 176
16^2 = 256, 6 * 256 = 1536
 1536 + 176 + 15 = 1727

Going from Decimal to Hex is just a reverse of the above process.
Convert the Decimal number to Binary, divide the binary bits (working
right to left) into Nibbles and then convert each Nibble to Hex.

When converting Decimal to Binary I prefer the division by two method.
You divide the Decimal number by two and the remainder becomes the
first binary bit, working from right to left.

DECIMAL:   792
CONVERSION:  792/2 = 396 Remainder 0,  BINARY =  0
 396/2 = 198 Remainder 0,  BINARY = 00
 198/2 =   99 Remainder 0,  BINARY = 000
   99/2 =   49 Remainder 1,  BINARY = 1000
   49/2 =   24 Remainder 1,  BINARY = 1 1000
   24/2 =   12 Remainder 0,  BINARY = 01 1000
   12/2 = 6 Remainder 0,  BINARY = 001 1000
 6/2 = 3 Remainder 0,  BINARY = 0001
1000
 3/2 = 1 Remainder 0,  BINARY = 1 0001
1000
 1/2 = 0 Remainder 1,  BINARY = 0011
0001 1000

^^ Padded to make a nibble
BINARY:   0011  0001  1000
HEX:   3 18
PROOF:  16^0 = 1, 1 * 8 = 8
16^1 = 16, 16 * 1 = 16
16^2 = 256, 256 * 3 = 768
 768+16+8 = 792

Another method was provided by Priscilla in a response to a similar
question by
someone else.  Whichever you use, just remember that practice is the key
to
understanding.

HTH,

Tom Lisa, Instructor, CCNA, CCAI
Community College of Southern Nevada
Cisco Regional Networking Academy



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> Does anyone know a good Web site to learn about the Structure of Hex
> Numbers
> and how to convert, from Hex to  Binary, to Dec and back and forth
> between
> the systems and IPX Addresses also.
>
> TIA,
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Re: ISDN B Chanell

2001-03-04 Thread jenny . mcleod

Try using 'debug dialer', and 'debug isdn q931' (on both routers).  Is the
router *attempting* to dial?  If so, is the call being seen by the other
router?

JMcL
-- Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 05/03/2001
11:36 am ---


"Santosh Koshy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@groupstudy.com on 02/03/2001
01:17:48 pm

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Subject:  Re: ISDN B Chanell


I am presently using the command  "dialer load-threshold 1 either"  to no
sucess...

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> On the BRI interface use "dialer load-threshold 'load'". A value of 1 for
> load brings up the second link instantaneously. Quoted from the Cisco
Press
> BCRAN book edited by Catherine Paquet p197. There is more detail to this
-
> so best to check out CCO.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Santosh Koshy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 7:37 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: ISDN B Chanell
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I am setting up a simple point to point ISDN BRI
> > connection. It
> > works like a charm, but for the life of me, I cannot get the
> > secondary B
> > chanell to come up. When I initiate a ping, it brings up the
> > first B chanell
> > instantaneously, but it wont bring up the secondary.
> >
> > ROUTER 1
> > interface BRI0
> >  ip address 10.10.10.1 255.255.255.240
> >  no ip directed-broadcast
> >  encapsulation ppp
> >  dialer idle-timeout 86400
> >  dialer map ip 10.10.10.2 name ABC broadcast 9032031701
> >  dialer map ip 10.10.10.2 name ABC broadcast 9032031704
> >  dialer hold-queue 1
> >  dialer load-threshold 1 either
> >  dialer-group 1
> >  isdn switch-type basic-ni
> >  isdn spid1 90319074001
> >  isdn spid2 903319074101
> >  compress stac
> >  ppp authentication chap
> >  ppp multilink
> >
> > ROUTER 2
> > interface BRI0
> >  ip address 10.10.10.2 255.255.255.240
> >  no ip directed-broadcast
> >  encapsulation ppp
> >  dialer idle-timeout 86400
> >  dialer map ip 10.10.10.1 name XYZ broadcast 9033190740
> >  dialer map ip 10.10.10.1 name XYZ broadcast 9033190741
> >  dialer hold-queue 1
> >  dialer load-threshold 1 either
> >  dialer-group 1
> >  isdn switch-type basic-ni
> >  isdn spid1 903203170101
> >  isdn spid2 903203170401
> >  compress stac
> >  ppp authentication chap
> >  ppp multilink
> >
> > Thanx,
> > Santosh
> >
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Re: How would you Explain it.

2001-03-04 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

Cool name: GigaMan. &;-)

Priscilla

At 09:18 PM 3/3/01, Jack wrote:
>PacBell is also offering a "GigaMan" service in selected citiies
>Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in message
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> >We have public IP addresses, our own DNS servers, Web servers, etc. The
> >only sort of strange thing is that the layer-two LAN crosses the MAN, if
> >that makes any sense. At our site we just have a two-port switch. A
> >single-mode fiber link connects our switch to a router port at the
> >provider's site across town. The provider is connected to the Internet.
> >
> >(When the provider said he was installing a two-port switch, I had to laugh
> >and ask, isn't that a bridge??)
> >
> >Priscilla
> >
> >At 09:09 AM 3/3/01, Kenneth wrote:
> >>I'm curious, if you're connected to a switch, then you don't have control
> >>over your public IP Addresses then such as DNS,... or is this mostly used
> >>for office to office links as opposed to a gateway to the internet?
> >>
> >>I guess the reason i'm wondering is we currently have an entire class C
>and
> >>we host our own DNS, web servers, ftp,... and I'm curious as to how this
> >>would affect our routings if we do go with such a service.
> >>
> >>
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> >> > We upgraded our T1 WAN link that cost $1500 per month to a single-mode
> >> > fiber-optic 10-Mbps Ethernet MAN link that costs $700 per month. We
>just
> >> > have a switch at our site, no router even. Seriously. Our local
> >> > municipality has a Gigabit Ethernet single-mode fiber-optic ring
>running
> >> > around town, and they lease capacity on it. The city is connected to
>the
> >> > Internet via a Cisco 7200 and a Sprint T3 link. We piggy back onto
>that.
> >> >
> >> > And I'm in Southern Oregon, a supposedly rural area. It's happening in
> >> > other towns also. Sometimes I forget how lucky we are!
> >> >
> >> > Priscilla
> >> >
> >> > At 02:28 PM 3/2/01, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
> >> > > >I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point
> >> > > >connections to at lease a 10mbps connection.  He is thinking along
>the
> >>lines
> >> > > >of LAN technologies.  He idea connection is a 1gb connection.  How
> >>would go
> >> > > >about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without
> >>damaging his
> >> > > >ego.  His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about
>networks.
> >> > >
> >> > >I wouldn't say he is totally out of his mind, if he's in a geographic
> >> > >area served by one of the bleeding edge Optical Ethernet providers.
> >> > >Very rare so far, but there are 100 or 1000 Mbps physical facilities
> >> > >over which the user pays for the amount of bandwidth he needs.  Most
> >> > >of the ones I'm aware of are in Europe.
> >> > >
> >> > >In the vast majority of locations, he is out of his mind.  Assuming
> >> > >he needs 10 Mbps, your choices include inverse multiplexed T1 and
> >> > >ATM, fractional T3, or 10 Mbps over OC-3 facilities. I had a design
> >> > >not too long ago where we were able to bring in some of the voice as
> >> > >well, and found that OC-3 was quite cost-effective.  It ran into a
> >> > >7200.  A 3600 is probably the lowest end router to consider.
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >btw...
> >> > > >
> >> > > >I've gone ahead and gotten quotes on a t1 and t3 lines.  I know I
>can
> >>use a
> >> > > >2600 for the T1 connection but what is there a adapter for taking a
> >>clear
> >> > > >channel T3 for the 2600 or do I have to look at a 7000 series
>router.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Thanks,
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Keith Townsend
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Re: HEX

2001-03-04 Thread Tom Lisa

As President of the OGC, I would like to add an additional point.
Your exam time limit doesn't start until you click on the button.
That means you can take all the time you want to write out all
the conversions on the scratch paper they give before you start
the test! I find trying to do these conversions extra difficult when
I'm worrying if I'll have enough time to finish the exam.

Tom Lisa
President, Groupstudy OGC
(Self-Appointed)

"Hartnell, George" wrote:

> That Priscilla is a real jewel, eh?  I think I'll add this formula to my
> *must know* list.
>
> The one tid-bit I might include, though not reputed to be 'test centric', is
> to *memorize* (I say this as a member in good standing of the O)ld G)eezer's
> C)lub) the binary numeric for HEX digits.  The 'weight' of the bits logic
> has helped me out a few times  An interesting math trick, 16^4 is
> ()+1 or (   )+1.  Note that 2^16=16^4=1   
>  binary=0x1 hex.  They all reach the same number.  It took this 52
> year-old maybe a week of practice to 'grok this in it's fullness'.  Just my
> way of figgerin' it out.  There are others.
>
> It is delightful to hear of someone who hasn't fired up the scientific side
> of that Windows accessory for this kind of math.  I've been helpless without
> that hex/bin calculator for years.  The memorization/concept isn't that
> hard, though, and, really, CCxx's should, as advertised, be able to do this,
> 'in your head'.
>
> Best, G.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 4:27 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: HEX
>
> I never even knew the Windows Accessories calculator converted to hex! I
> just do it manually. I have the following numbers and letters pretty much
> memorized, so that helps.
>
> 10 = A
> 11 = B
> 12 = C
> 13 = D
> 14 = E
> 15 = F
>
> 16^0 = 1
> 16^1 = 16
> 16^2 = 256
> 16^3 = 4096
> 16^4 = 65536
>
> Figure out where the number they give you falls in the above list, for
> example, is it between 256 and 4096? Or between 4096 and 65536? Divide by
> the smaller of the numbers you select. Keep dividing the remainders until
> you run out of numbers, (or can select the right answer, it is multiple
> choice after all!)
>
> Here's an example: Convert  to Hex. Easy!
>
> Divide  by 4096 = 1, remainder = 1459
> Divide 1459 by 256  = 5, remainder = 179
> Divide 179 by 16= B, remainder = 3
> Divide 3 by 1   = 3
>
> Answer = 15B3
>
> Note: a few things made this example easy.  divided by 4096 is
> obviously 1. 256 x 5 is obviously 1280. 16 x 11 is obviously 176. Often
> it's much easier than it seems. (Sometimes, it's not and you just do brute
> force.)
>
> Priscilla
>
> At 09:26 AM 3/2/01, Dale Frohman wrote:
> >exactly.  I had a friend who told me there was some HEX conversions on the
> >BCMSN exam which i am scheduled to take in a couple of weeks.
> >
> >On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Barronton, Ken wrote:
> >
> > > Because you can't use it during an exam. Real life...OK, exam...NO.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Nuria Canamares [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 6:27 AM
> > > To: 'Dale Frohman'
> > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: HEX
> > >
> > >
> > > Why don't you use the calculator of windows accesories?
> > >
> > > -Mensaje original-
> > > De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]En nombre de
> > > Dale Frohman
> > > Enviado el: Jueves 1 de Marzo de 2001 3:24 PM
> > > Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Asunto: HEX
> > >
> > >
> > > Does anyone have a way/tricks in remembering how to do HEX conversions?
>
> 
>
> Priscilla Oppenheimer
> http://www.priscilla.com
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Re: Hexadecimal numbers

2001-03-04 Thread Tom Lisa



Don't have a good site,
but perhaps this will help.  BTW, this assumes
(and we all know how
dangerous that is) that you are fairly comfortable
with binary math. 
If you aren't, I suggest you visit www.learntosubnet.com
and review their section
on binary math.
Converting from Hex
is quite simple if you use Binary as your conversion
medium or what I call
the Nibble Method.  Since Hex is Base16 and Binary
is Base2, you can
think of Hex as shorthand for Binary.  In Binary each
column position has
a range of two values ( 0 or 1 ).  In Hex each column
position has a range
of sixteen values (0-9 & A-F, where A=10, B=11,
C=12, D=12, E=14,
F=15).  And finally, in Decimal each column position
has a range of ten
values (0 - 9).
From this we can see
that it takes four bit positions in binary to represent
all the possible values
of one hex position.  For example, with one binary
nibble (four 
bits):
binary   
hex    binary    hex    
binary   
hex    binary    hex
   = 
0   0100  =  
4  
1000  =  8   1100  = 
C
 0001  = 
1   0101  =  
5  
1001  =  9   1101  = 
D
 0010  = 
2   0110  =  
6  
1010  =  A   1110  = 
E
 0011  = 
3   0111  =  
7  
1011  =  B     = 
F
Thus any two character
HEX number (as Hex is normally displayed) can be
converted to binary
simply by converting each character separately.
HEX: 
A   
D  
E    7
thus
BINARY:  1010 
1101  
1110  0111
thus
DECIMAL:  128+32+8+4+1
= 173   128+64+32+4+2+1 = 231
PROOF:  16^0=1,
D * 1 = 13*1 = 13
   
16^1=16, A * 16 = 10 * 16 = 160
   
160 + 13 = 173
Larger Hex numbers
are also easily converted
HEX: 
6   B   F
thus
BINARY:   
0110  1011  
thus
DECIMAL:  
1024+512+128+32+16+8+4+2+1
= 1727
PROOF:  
16^0 = 1, F * 1 = 15 * 1 = 15
   
16^1 = 16, B * 16 = 11 * 16 = 176
   
16^2 = 256, 6 * 256 = 1536

1536 + 176 + 15 = 1727
Going from Decimal
to Hex is just a reverse of the above process.
Convert the Decimal
number to Binary, divide the binary bits (working
right to left) into
Nibbles and then convert each Nibble to Hex.
When converting Decimal
to Binary I prefer the division by two method.
You divide the Decimal
number by two and the remainder becomes the
first binary bit,
working from right to left.
DECIMAL:  
792
CONVERSION: 
792/2 = 396 Remainder 0,  BINARY =  0

396/2 = 198 Remainder 0,  BINARY = 00

198/2 =   99 Remainder 0,  BINARY = 000
  
99/2 =   49 Remainder 1,  BINARY = 1000
  
49/2 =   24 Remainder 1,  BINARY = 1 1000
  
24/2 =   12 Remainder 0, 
BINARY = 01 1000
  
12/2 = 6 Remainder 0,  BINARY = 001 1000

6/2 = 3 Remainder 0,  BINARY = 0001 1000

3/2 = 1 Remainder 0,  BINARY = 1 0001 1000

1/2 = 0 Remainder 1,  BINARY = 0011 0001 
1000

^^ Padded to make a nibble
BINARY:   0011  0001  1000
HEX:  
3 
1   
8
PROOF:  16^0 = 1, 1 * 8 = 8
   
16^1 = 16, 16 * 1 = 16
   
16^2 = 256, 256 * 3 = 768

768+16+8 = 792
Another method was provided by Priscilla in a response
to a similar question by
someone else.  Whichever you use, just remember
that practice is the key to
understanding.
HTH,
Tom Lisa, Instructor, CCNA, CCAI
Community College of Southern Nevada
Cisco Regional Networking Academy
 
 
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and how to convert, from Hex to  Binary, to Dec and back and forth
between
the systems and IPX Addresses also.
TIA,
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RE: Doing things backwards - Question for the CCDPs in the list.

2001-03-04 Thread Robert Padjen

If you understand 'Cisco' tests taking the DCN cold
should not be too bad. The test is unlike any other,
and it will benefit you if you study books like
Priscilla's. However, CID is much harder in my opinion
regarding actual knowledge of systems, and neither
will qualify you to actually design networks. Good
luck.


--- Dennis Laganiere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> When I took the test for the CCDA last year I found
> it to be the most "fun"
> of any of the tests.  Just read the Cisco Press book
> and take the test; no
> cramming or learning commands.  It's about the
> easiest test I've ever taken,
> and I've been doing certs forever (currently MCSE+I,
> CCNP/CCDP, CCIE
> candidate; lapsed CNE, XCSS, and an bunch more over
> the years)...
> 
> --- Dennis
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Miller, Nathan - BSC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:17 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Doing things backwards - Question for the
> CCDPs in the list.
> 
> 
> I know that this is not the list for CCDA questions
> but I hope that you will
> humor me.  I have recently completed CCNP and
> studied with another engineer
> who was already CCDA certified.  We studied for the
> CID (640-025) exam
> together and I passed this exam today.  My question
> is this:  Is the DCN
> (CCDA) exam sufficiently different from the CID that
> I will need to study
> for it separately or will the prep for the CID exam
> suffice.  Thanks in
> advance for your advice.
> 
> Nathan Miller, CCNP
> Enterprise Network Engineer
> Catholic Healthcare West
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Re: CID 3.0 study material/books?

2001-03-04 Thread hal9001

So do I dear heart, so do I!

Karl
- Original Message -
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Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 7:35 PM
Subject: CID 3.0 study material/books?


> Dear group,
>
> Pls advise me the study materials for the new version
> of CID 3.0. I hope I can find the right stuff to read
> during my limited after work night time and some
> weekends.
>
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Re: Did I luck out or what!

2001-03-04 Thread Kenneth

Go to Ebay and you'll find people selling network modules and WICS.

If you don't want to bother with it, there are a lot of companies that sell
used Cisco modules if you look it up the internet.

Lastly, if you want it brand new, go to CDW or shopper.cnet.com
and search for the modules there.


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> I'm in the beginning stages of throwing together a home lab (otherwise
known
> as electric heating.)  All I had to mess around with before was a 2501
with
> one broken serial port.
>
> Today an acquaintance gave me--for free--two Cisco 4000 routers (one with
a
> 2-port serial module, the other is empty and running 9.1!!), a 3COM
> Netbuilder router, and a AT&T 16-port hub.  Heck of a deal, huh?  Well,
the
> Cisco stuff is a good deal.  Hubs are cheaper than dirt nowadays, and the
> 3com POS is annoying.  To say that its user interface was not intuitive
> would be kind.  It appears that it can do a lot, I just don't know if I
have
> the patience to decipher the CLI!  
>
> Anyway, I now need to find a couple more cables and some network modules
for
> the 4000's.  Do any of you know where I can get these *really* cheap?
Yes,
> I'm becoming a tightwad, but only because I married one.
>
> I need another 2-port serial module, at least one ethernet module, and
> perhaps even a fast ethernet module.
>
> Any thoughts on who to call?
>
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Re: Just picked up 2 routers

2001-03-04 Thread Kenneth

You have 1024+1024 bytes which totals to 2048 bytes of RAM (2 Mb)


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> I just bought 2 Cisco 2524's and I am trying to check how much ram they
came
> with. Can anyone inform me on how to view the memory. When I boot the
router
> I get this config:
> cisco 2524 (68030) processor (revision J) with 1024K/1024K bytes of
memory.
> Processor board ID 06956739, with hardware revision 
> Bridging software.
> X.25 software, Version 3.0.0.
> Basic Rate ISDN software, Version 1.0.
> 1 Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s)
> 2 Serial network interface(s)
> 1 ISDN Basic Rate interface(s)
> Integrated NT1 for ISDN Basic Rate interface
> 5-in-1 module for Serial Interface 0
> 56k 4-wire CSU/DSU for Serial Interface 1
> 32K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.
> 8192K bytes of processor board System flash (Read ONLY)
>
> Can I figure out what the total amount of ram is from this info? I just
> don't want to be cheated. I am new to the Cisco environment.
>
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Re: Link problem

2001-03-04 Thread Moe Tavakoli

The Duplex issue that another person raised should fix
this for you.  Force the port to 100-full and make
sure the NIC on the other end, is fine with it too. 
You probably have a high CRC error count also.

Good luck.

--- Aftab Rashid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> We are having problems in the performance of the
> ethernet. We are using
> Cisco 2924 Switch for our Lan but I have observed
> that of and on various
> links goes down and up quiet often. look as follows
> 
> Mar  4 16:54:31 dialup20 4448: 1w2d: %LINK-3-UPDOWN:
> Interface
> FastEthernet0/21,
>  changed state to up
> Mar  4 16:54:31 dialup20 4449: 1w2d:
> %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol
> on Inter
> face FastEthernet0/21, changed state to up
> Mar  4 16:54:39 dialup20 4450: 1w2d: %LINK-3-UPDOWN:
> Interface
> FastEthernet0/21,
>  changed state to down
> Mar  4 16:54:39 dialup20 4451: 1w2d:
> %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol
> on Inter
> face FastEthernet0/21, changed state to down
> Mar  4 16:55:11 dialup20 4452: 1w2d: %LINK-3-UPDOWN:
> Interface
> FastEthernet0/21,
>  changed state to up
> Mar  4 16:55:11 dialup20 4453: 1w2d:
> %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol
> on Inter
> face FastEthernet0/21, changed state to up
> Mar  4 17:36:17 dialup20 4454: 1w2d:
> %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol
> on Inter
> face FastEthernet0/21, changed state to down
> Mar  4 17:37:08 dialup20 4455: 1w2d: %LINK-3-UPDOWN:
> Interface
> FastEthernet0/21,
>  changed state to up
> Mar  4 17:37:08 dialup20 4456: 1w2d:
> %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol
> on Inter
> face FastEthernet0/21, changed state to up
> Mar  4 18:25:23 dialup20 4457: 1w2d: %LINK-3-UPDOWN:
> Interface
> FastEthernet0/23,
>  changed state to up
> Mar  4 18:25:23 dialup20 4458: 1w2d:
> %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol
> on Inter
> face FastEthernet0/23, changed state to up.
> 
> I have checked the cables they are perfectly
> alright. I added
> carrier-delay of  4 sec but got no advantage.
> 
> What could be the source of the problem and can I
> solve it.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Aftab Rashid
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Just picked up 2 routers

2001-03-04 Thread vert

I just bought 2 Cisco 2524's and I am trying to check how much ram they came
with. Can anyone inform me on how to view the memory. When I boot the router
I get this config:
cisco 2524 (68030) processor (revision J) with 1024K/1024K bytes of memory.
Processor board ID 06956739, with hardware revision 
Bridging software.
X.25 software, Version 3.0.0.
Basic Rate ISDN software, Version 1.0.
1 Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s)
2 Serial network interface(s)
1 ISDN Basic Rate interface(s)
Integrated NT1 for ISDN Basic Rate interface
5-in-1 module for Serial Interface 0
56k 4-wire CSU/DSU for Serial Interface 1
32K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.
8192K bytes of processor board System flash (Read ONLY)

Can I figure out what the total amount of ram is from this info? I just
don't want to be cheated. I am new to the Cisco environment.

Thanks


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Re: Better do those V-labs while you can

2001-03-04 Thread J Kadis


Mentor Technologies is alive and well and is now set to focus our energy on providing
the best quality Instructor Led Training, Consulting, E-Learning classes and Cisco 
vLabs
that any Cisco training partner has to offer.  We have 21 CCIEs and more than 40 Cisco
Certified Instructors on staff.  Our vLab offerings continue to grow.  Watch for our
latest assessment labs that actually grade your performance and show you what you did
right and not so right.

-Jon Kadis
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 Vice President Services
 Mentor Technologies


ramius wrote:

> What do you mean?
>
> ""Mask Of Zorro"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > It was a bloodbath over at Metntor Technologies this morning - another big
> > RIF. Better do those V-labs while they are still available... looks like
> it
> > won't be long.
> >
> >

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Re: Can't get console on a Cisco WS-C1924C-A

2001-03-04 Thread Marco Rodrigues

I get the same results with HyperTerm, SecureCRT 3.2, Minicom from
Freebsd and tip from Solaris. I don't think the emulation program is the
problem. THen again I could be wrong.

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> Try using the latest HyperTerminal.
>
> Jeff
>
> ""Marco Rodrigues"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > Hello group,
> >
> > I recently got a hold of a Catalyst WS-C1924C-A. I want to begin the
> > process of upgrading it to Enterprise edition. Problem is I can't get a
> > console on the switch. My original problem was getting something on my
> > HyperTerm/SecureCRT/tips/minicom whatever. I use to get garbage
> characters.
> > From recent threads I read that I have to get a hold of a null modem
cable
> > which I have. Problem now is when I type something on the emulator I
> > actually see my characters being typed in but I get no output on the
> screen.
> > The terminal setting are fine (9600 8N1).  Should I be rebooting the
> switch
> > and doing something before startup? I've tried holding down the mode
> button
> > as it starts up and nothing.  The documentation doesn't seem to specify
> > anything specific so that's what I'm asking here.
> >
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Cisco Equipment

2001-03-04 Thread John Diaz

For those interested,

I have the following equipment for sale. Contact me offline at =
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Re: How would you Explain it.

2001-03-04 Thread Tony van Ree

Hi All,

We supply quite a lot on 'LAN' connect services.  These have a Gig coming back to a 
core with a number of 100Meg ports some to various clients 'a shared connection' 
others going to a site operated by the one orgaisation.  

These come bace into a core and do so in the couple of major cores we provide this 
network.  The cores are connected using several ATM links thus providing a number of 
VLAN's statewide.  In a number of cases the 'backbone' ie the links between sites 
provides less of a bottleneck than the LAN's they connect.  This will however change 
as the LAN's are upgraded.

Typically we would have something like a 2928G.  This might provide several VLAN's 
including 'public' and 'private' address space.   These would be connected using 'BVI' 
interfaces thus allowing integrated bridging and routable networks.

This works well and is being extended to others faster than I could imagine.

My to bob's worth,

Teunis
Hobart, Tasmania
Australia


On Friday, March 02, 2001 at 02:28:01 PM, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:

> >I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point
> >connections to at lease a 10mbps connection.  He is thinking along the lines
> >of LAN technologies.  He idea connection is a 1gb connection.  How would go
> >about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without damaging his
> >ego.  His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about networks.
> 
> I wouldn't say he is totally out of his mind, if he's in a geographic 
> area served by one of the bleeding edge Optical Ethernet providers. 
> Very rare so far, but there are 100 or 1000 Mbps physical facilities 
> over which the user pays for the amount of bandwidth he needs.  Most 
> of the ones I'm aware of are in Europe.
> 
> In the vast majority of locations, he is out of his mind.  Assuming 
> he needs 10 Mbps, your choices include inverse multiplexed T1 and 
> ATM, fractional T3, or 10 Mbps over OC-3 facilities. I had a design 
> not too long ago where we were able to bring in some of the voice as 
> well, and found that OC-3 was quite cost-effective.  It ran into a 
> 7200.  A 3600 is probably the lowest end router to consider.
> 
> >
> >btw...
> >
> >I've gone ahead and gotten quotes on a t1 and t3 lines.  I know I can use a
> >2600 for the T1 connection but what is there a adapter for taking a clear
> >channel T3 for the 2600 or do I have to look at a 7000 series router.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Keith Townsend
> >www.townsendconsulting.com
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Re: Link problem

2001-03-04 Thread John Kurkjian

Try forcing speed/duplex on the switch port and client side. I've seen this
problem when auto-negotiation doesn't work right. Try upgrading the NIC
drivers too.

John
Aftab Rashid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> We are having problems in the performance of the ethernet. We are using
> Cisco 2924 Switch for our Lan but I have observed that of and on various
> links goes down and up quiet often. look as follows
>
> Mar  4 16:54:31 dialup20 4448: 1w2d: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface
> FastEthernet0/21,
>  changed state to up
> Mar  4 16:54:31 dialup20 4449: 1w2d: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol
> on Inter
> face FastEthernet0/21, changed state to up
> Mar  4 16:54:39 dialup20 4450: 1w2d: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface
> FastEthernet0/21,
>  changed state to down
> Mar  4 16:54:39 dialup20 4451: 1w2d: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol
> on Inter
> face FastEthernet0/21, changed state to down
> Mar  4 16:55:11 dialup20 4452: 1w2d: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface
> FastEthernet0/21,
>  changed state to up
> Mar  4 16:55:11 dialup20 4453: 1w2d: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol
> on Inter
> face FastEthernet0/21, changed state to up
> Mar  4 17:36:17 dialup20 4454: 1w2d: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol
> on Inter
> face FastEthernet0/21, changed state to down
> Mar  4 17:37:08 dialup20 4455: 1w2d: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface
> FastEthernet0/21,
>  changed state to up
> Mar  4 17:37:08 dialup20 4456: 1w2d: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol
> on Inter
> face FastEthernet0/21, changed state to up
> Mar  4 18:25:23 dialup20 4457: 1w2d: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface
> FastEthernet0/23,
>  changed state to up
> Mar  4 18:25:23 dialup20 4458: 1w2d: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol
> on Inter
> face FastEthernet0/23, changed state to up.
>
> I have checked the cables they are perfectly alright. I added
> carrier-delay of  4 sec but got no advantage.
>
> What could be the source of the problem and can I solve it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Aftab Rashid
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Re: CCIE Passed

2001-03-04 Thread xzadio

Good luck for the lab Jayesh, and bravo for the CCIE written.
I have a question for you. please help me.
I am in my CCNP now and i want to ask you if you take the CCDA and the CCDP
before you go for the CCIE, and for how long have you been in the network field??

Please answer me .

Many thanks.

Good luck again for the test.

Jayesh Patel wrote:

> Hello to everyone
>
> I am writting with great pleasure to inform you guys and girls that i
> have passed my CCIE Written today. I would be grateful if someone
> could guide me on the LAB. The postings of the group have been very
> helpful.
>
> --
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xDSL Books ?

2001-03-04 Thread Hans Schimek

Can anyone recommend any good books
on xDSL ?



thx
hans

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dialer watch

2001-03-04 Thread FERREYRA Marta

Hello!

I have  dialer watch in a BRI interface to be backup of FR multipont
interface.

When the link goes down and the route is not in table the backup link goes
up

The problem is that the backup link go down each 121 seg and then go up
again, but the primary link is down

It is correct because there are not interesting traffic?

thanks in advance

Marta

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Re: Can't get console on a Cisco WS-C1924C-A

2001-03-04 Thread Jeff Duchin

Try using the latest HyperTerminal.

Jeff

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> Hello group,
>
> I recently got a hold of a Catalyst WS-C1924C-A. I want to begin the
> process of upgrading it to Enterprise edition. Problem is I can't get a
> console on the switch. My original problem was getting something on my
> HyperTerm/SecureCRT/tips/minicom whatever. I use to get garbage
characters.
> From recent threads I read that I have to get a hold of a null modem cable
> which I have. Problem now is when I type something on the emulator I
> actually see my characters being typed in but I get no output on the
screen.
> The terminal setting are fine (9600 8N1).  Should I be rebooting the
switch
> and doing something before startup? I've tried holding down the mode
button
> as it starts up and nothing.  The documentation doesn't seem to specify
> anything specific so that's what I'm asking here.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
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Re: Route-map

2001-03-04 Thread Vincent

1) Check the traceroute result.
2) From your configuration, after you correct it, you may find out that you
can control outgoing traffic.
You probably can not control incoming traffic.  Generally, it is very
difficult for you to control incoming
traffic.


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> Sorry, there is a bug in my hypothetical configuration.
> in set ip next-hope
> should be ISP A (1.1.1.2)
>
>
> ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > This is just a guess, but how about setting the next hop in the
route-map
> to
> > the IP address of ISP A?
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Jacek Malinowski
> > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 9:27 AM
> > Subject: Route-map
> >
> >
> > I have a big problem with the route-map command.
> > My network looks like :
> >
> > ISP A ISP B
> >   | |
> >   | |
> >   | |
> >   --s0--(router 2611)--- s1--
> >
> > configuration (hypothetical):
> >
> > interface Serial0
> >  ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
> >   !
> > interface Serial1
> >  ip address 100.100.100.100 255.255.255.0
> > !
> > interface FastEthernet0
> >  ip address 10.0.0.222 255.255.255.0 secondary
> >  ip address 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0
> >  ip policy route-map POLICY
> >  no ip directed-broadcast
> > !
> > ip classless
> > ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Serial1
> > no ip http server
> > !
> > access-list 2 permit 10.0.0.0 0.0.0.255
> > route-map POLICY permit 10
> >  match ip address 2
> >  set ip next-hop 1.1.1.1
> >
> > traffic from the network 10.0.0.0 should go through serial 0 and ISP A
> > traffic from the network 192.168.1.0 should go through serial 1 and ISP
B.
> >
> > I don't understand how is it possible, that ping from 10.0.0.0 goes
> through
> > serial 1 and return through serial 0.
> > there is the policy on the ethernet interface.
> >
> > I can't run BGP :( because my router is only 2611
> >
> >
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CID 3.0 study material/books?

2001-03-04 Thread Li Li Zhao

Dear group,

Pls advise me the study materials for the new version
of CID 3.0. I hope I can find the right stuff to read
during my limited after work night time and some
weekends.

Thanks!



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Re: ISDN with 1 Spid

2001-03-04 Thread Craig Columbus

Ok...since the interface won't come up, I'd say it's pretty safe to assume 
that your problem isn't SPID related.  If the SPIDs are bad, the interface 
will still come up, but you'll see an error similar to the following when 
running a "sh isdn status":

Global ISDN Switchtype = basic-5ess
ISDN BRI0 interface dsl 0, interface ISDN Switchtype = basic-ni
Layer 1 Status:
ACTIVE
Layer 2 Status:
TEI = 64, Ces = 1, SAPI = 0, State = MULTIPLE_FRAME_ESTABLISHED
Spid Status:
TEI 64, ces = 1, state = 4(await init)
spid1 configured, no LDN, spid1 sent, spid1 NOT valid
TEI Not Assigned, ces = 2, state = 1(terminal down)
spid2 configured, no LDN, spid2 NOT sent, spid2 NOT valid
Layer 3 Status: 0 Active Layer 3 Call(s)
Activated dsl 0 CCBs = 1
CCB:callid=0x0, sapi=0, ces=1, B-chan=0, calltype = INTERNAL Total 
Allocated ISDN CCBs = 1

Since your interface won't come up, you're probably seeing a message 
similar to the following:
The current ISDN Switchtype = basic-ni1
ISDN BRI0 interface
Layer 1 Status:
DEACTIVATED
Layer 2 Status:
Layer 2 NOT Activated
Layer 3 Status:
No Active Layer 3 Call(s)
Activated dsl 0 CCBs = 0
Total Allocated ISDN CCBs = 0

If this is the case, you're experiencing a physical level problem.  Check 
your cables, verify if you're connecting with a U or S/T interface, 
etc.  You may want to have the telco do a loopback to the smartjack.
For more info, refer to http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/112/chapter17.htm

Hope this helps.

Craig


At 10:46 AM 3/4/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>I cannot get the ISDN inteface to come up and using the same spid doesn't
>work either.  I guess the best thing to ask is:  How do I modify my config
>to use only one spid?

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RE: wildcard in access-list

2001-03-04 Thread Bob Vance

>>hmm, I guess this means that you wouldn't hire me, eh, Howard?

>Well, can you phrase this as "full employment for consultants?"

All seriousness aside, I actually meant as an employee -- not as a
consultant :)


> With a tired, triumphant,
>  yet demented look, he announced: "Yes, it is obvious."

LOL.
You've been eavesdropping on some of my math sessions with my children,
haven't
you.  I've learned more about the foundations of arithmetic since I had
kids than I
did studying math in school :)


>There is a poorly documented corollary of Murphy's Law that establishes
>that idiots inherit the work of the clever.

Right.
But I would assume that that doesn't mean that you are deprecating
cleverness,
per se (after all, cleverness is the Aunt of invention) but, maybe just
want to
leave cleverness where it belongs -- in the lab :)


I tend to go for the clever first and, then, after proving that it
works, start to
worry about the potential obfuscation (not to mention the phone calls)
and change to
a more "self-documenting" route.

So, one moment I might code the single ACL;
the next I would change it to the "self-documenting" two-statement ACL.

   (In fact, I would agree that you could easily argue that the second
is the more
elegant since it kills two birds with one stone:
 functionality
and no   extra documentation  :)
   )


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Howard C. Berkowitz
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 11:35 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: wildcard in access-list


>  >Why?

To which Bob Vance responded,

>
>Less processing.

  CPU power is cheaper than brainpower, downtime through errors,
etc.

>Elegance :)

  I've always regarded an elegant solution as one that is necessary
  and sufficient for all criteria. Maintainability is a criterion.

  A professor, in his* Tuesday class, droned on "it is obvious that
XXX
  is ZZZ."

  A student responded, "Professor, are you sure it is obvious?"

  A look of professorial alarm. "Class dismissed."

  On Thursday, the class returned to find their professor still at
the
  board, fairly obviously unwashed and unshaven since Tuesday,
perhaps
  nourished only by incessant cups of coffee.  With a tired,
triumphant,
  yet demented look, he announced: "Yes, it is obvious."

* choice of pronoun gender deliberate.  This is a guy thing**,  the
academic version of refusing to ask for directions.
** a female professor, however, might want to share the experience of
confusion.

>Cleverness :)

  There is a poorly documented corollary of Murphy's Law that
establishes
  that idiots inherit the work of the clever.

  Military organizations have much folklore about this.  In working
with
  US Navy personnel, I learned the valid distinctions between
idiot-proofing
  and sailor-proofing.  Or, as it is said, the five most dangerous
things
  in the Canadian Navy:
 -- Ordinary Seamen saying: "I learned this in Boot Camp"
 -- Petty Officers saying "Trust me, sir"
 -- Sublieutenants saying "Based on my experience"
 -- Lieutenants saying "I was just thinking"
 -- Chiefs saying "Watch this [output traffic from male cow]"

>More documentation ~%[
>
>I love that sort of stuff --


>hmm, I guess this means that you wouldn't hire me, eh, Howard?

Well, can you phrase this as "full employment for consultants?"

In all fairness, there is a regrettable Cisco tendency to teach and
test for obscurity.

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Thanks for the answers regarding computer networking degree

2001-03-04 Thread steve billy

I would like to thank all who responded to my question.

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Re: Flash RAM erro - Cisco 2500

2001-03-04 Thread Tom

Ken

Make sure you didnt buy 2600 flash ram for your 2500 - Many companies =
are selling Flash they say/claim will work in 2500 AND 2600, 3600, and =
4000 - when in reality (95% of the time) it will not work in the 2500s. =
One common symptom is that the 8mb showns up as only 4mb! There seems to =
be plenty of RAM for the 2600 serises available, but less for the 2500s =
- make sure you get what you need.



-Tom







"Ken W. Alger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message =
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> I have a 2505, IOS 10.2(6) which I am attempting to add more Flash RAM =
to in

> order to run a more current IOS. I purchased an 8 MB chip, but when I

> install it and boot the router up I get the following error that =
doesn't

> occur with the current 4 MB chip:

>=20

> ERR: Invalid chip id 0x80B5(reversed: 0x1AD) detected in system flash

>=20

> Any ideas as to what this means as I have not encountered this one =
before.

>=20

> Thanks,

> Ken

>=20


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RE: image checksum error

2001-03-04 Thread Timothy Metz

I got this same error when I tried to boot an image off of tftp. The image
was too big to be both stored in and run from RAM.

Tim

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Circusnuts
> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 2:57 PM
> To: Rizzo Damian; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: image checksum error
>
>
> Bad checksum is produced by corrupt IOS images, incompatible boot ROMs, &
> you FLASH that is bad or incompatible (wrong speed in
> nanoseconds).  You are
> right, I doubt the images are bad...
>
> Phil
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rizzo Damian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 1:08 PM
> Subject: image checksum error
>
>
> > I have two 1600 series routers that I am trying to upgrade to a IPsec
> > feature set IOS. The problem I am experiencing is no matter
> version of the
> > feature set I try (I've tried 4 so far), after the image appears to load
> > successfuly from a TFTP server, the router displays the message "Image
> > Checksum Error" and then procedes to boot from ROM. I have
> enough memory,
> > flash shouldn't be of concern since I'm booting from a TFTP server. So
> what
> > gives? Anyone else experience this problem? Is it likely I got 4 bad
> images
> > from Cisco?  Thanks.
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IOS

2001-03-04 Thread heatherhemphill

Hi

I am looking to purchase Cisco IOS enterprise version 11.3.9 for my Cisco
Router.  Please oblige.

Thanks

Heather


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Re: Can't get console on a Cisco WS-C1924C-A

2001-03-04 Thread Marco Rodrigues

I know I need a null modem cable, problem is I don't know what to do after
that. I'm not getting anything. Before I was getting garbage now I just get
my characters that I type in.  Should I be doing something to connect to the
console? (Besides using the Null modem cable)


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> I had one of these Firmware 1924's in my lab awhile back.  You need a =
> DB9 to DB9 Null Modem Cable.  I think I bought mine from one of those =
> discount websites for 4.95 + $3 shipping.  I suspect you only see garble =
> when consoling into the box.  You get the appearance of misconfigured =
> Hypterm speeds setting.=20
>
> Good Luck
> Phil
>
> "Brad Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message =
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> > Im guessing it's an older 1924?  I had a similar problem a couple =
> years ago.
> > You need to get/make a different console cable.  I think it's just a
> > null-modem cable, but I can't be 100% certain (memory just isnt what =
> it used
> > to be).  Call TAC and get the cable-pinouts.
> >=20
> > Hope that helps.
> > -Brad Ellis
> > CCIE#5796
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > www.optsys.net
> >=20
> > ""Marco Rodrigues"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > Hello group,
> > >
> > > I recently got a hold of a Catalyst WS-C1924C-A. I want to begin =
> the
> > > process of upgrading it to Enterprise edition. Problem is I can't =
> get a
> > > console on the switch. My original problem was getting something on =
> my
> > > HyperTerm/SecureCRT/tips/minicom whatever. I use to get garbage
> > characters.
> > > From recent threads I read that I have to get a hold of a null modem =
> cable
> > > which I have. Problem now is when I type something on the emulator I
> > > actually see my characters being typed in but I get no output on the
> > screen.
> > > The terminal setting are fine (9600 8N1).  Should I be rebooting the
> > switch
> > > and doing something before startup? I've tried holding down the mode
> > button
> > > as it starts up and nothing.  The documentation doesn't seem to =
> specify
> > > anything specific so that's what I'm asking here.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance!
> > >
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Re: Flash RAM erro - Cisco 2500

2001-03-04 Thread Circusnuts

This sounds like incompatible or bad memory.  Your right, with the boot =
ROMs out of the way it should be smooth sail'n.  The older 2500 =
motherboards required 70ns RAM & the newer ones require 60ns.  You may =
have an newer motherboard & an slower RAM.  Swap it around within your =
batch of 2500's.  You may be able to get another router to run that =
speed & using it's RAM stick to possibly fix the router in question. =20

All the best
Phil

"Ken W. Alger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message =
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> The boot proms are ver 11.0(10c)xB2, which I got from TAC about three =
months
> ago.  My other routers are at the same boot prom level and can =
recognize 8MB
> RAM or higher.  Any other thoughts?
>=20
>=20
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> > Hi
> >
> > Chances are pretty good that your boot proms do not recognize the =
newer
> > flash. Call TAC and order new ones, they are free plus shipping.
> >
> > HTH
> > --
> > John Hardman CCNP MCSE+I
> >
> >
> > ""Ken W. Alger"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > I have a 2505, IOS 10.2(6) which I am attempting to add more Flash =
RAM
> to
> > in
> > > order to run a more current IOS.  I purchased an 8 MB chip, but =
when I
> > > install it and boot the router up I get the following error that =
doesn't
> > > occur with the current 4 MB chip:
> > >
> > > ERR:  Invalid chip id 0x80B5(reversed: 0x1AD) detected in system =
flash
> > >
> > > Any ideas as to what this means as I have not encountered this one
> before.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ken
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Re: How would you Explain it.

2001-03-04 Thread SREY

Kenneth,
Optical providers can be used as either an ISP or to create a MAN or WAN.
We use Yipes as an ISP, but It's not an issue.  Anybody can connect a
router, firewall, or even another switch (just use a non-routed VLAN to
seperate it from your internal network) to the ethernet port on the
provider's switch.  That is all there is to it.  The provider will advertise
your class C or even a subnetted class C.  It is up to you.  You will still
have full control over your addresses on your public subnet (except for the
gateway IP which is on the provider's equipment).  We host applications
(ASP), WWW sites, FTP sites, DNS etc.  This in no way limits my ability to
use my public IP addresses.


"Kenneth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> I'm curious, if you're connected to a switch, then you don't have control
> over your public IP Addresses then such as DNS,... or is this mostly used
> for office to office links as opposed to a gateway to the internet?
>
> I guess the reason i'm wondering is we currently have an entire class C
and
> we host our own DNS, web servers, ftp,... and I'm curious as to how this
> would affect our routings if we do go with such a service.
>
>
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > We upgraded our T1 WAN link that cost $1500 per month to a single-mode
> > fiber-optic 10-Mbps Ethernet MAN link that costs $700 per month. We just
> > have a switch at our site, no router even. Seriously. Our local
> > municipality has a Gigabit Ethernet single-mode fiber-optic ring running
> > around town, and they lease capacity on it. The city is connected to the
> > Internet via a Cisco 7200 and a Sprint T3 link. We piggy back onto that.
> >
> > And I'm in Southern Oregon, a supposedly rural area. It's happening in
> > other towns also. Sometimes I forget how lucky we are!
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> > At 02:28 PM 3/2/01, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
> > > >I have a customer who wants to upgrade his 128K ISDN point to point
> > > >connections to at lease a 10mbps connection.  He is thinking along
the
> lines
> > > >of LAN technologies.  He idea connection is a 1gb connection.  How
> would go
> > > >about explaining to this guy that he is out of his mind without
> damaging his
> > > >ego.  His the IT manager and thinks he's knowledgeable about
networks.
> > >
> > >I wouldn't say he is totally out of his mind, if he's in a geographic
> > >area served by one of the bleeding edge Optical Ethernet providers.
> > >Very rare so far, but there are 100 or 1000 Mbps physical facilities
> > >over which the user pays for the amount of bandwidth he needs.  Most
> > >of the ones I'm aware of are in Europe.
> > >
> > >In the vast majority of locations, he is out of his mind.  Assuming
> > >he needs 10 Mbps, your choices include inverse multiplexed T1 and
> > >ATM, fractional T3, or 10 Mbps over OC-3 facilities. I had a design
> > >not too long ago where we were able to bring in some of the voice as
> > >well, and found that OC-3 was quite cost-effective.  It ran into a
> > >7200.  A 3600 is probably the lowest end router to consider.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >btw...
> > > >
> > > >I've gone ahead and gotten quotes on a t1 and t3 lines.  I know I can
> use a
> > > >2600 for the T1 connection but what is there a adapter for taking a
> clear
> > > >channel T3 for the 2600 or do I have to look at a 7000 series router.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >Keith Townsend
> > > >www.townsendconsulting.com
> > >\
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RE: Route-map

2001-03-04 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

Andrew Cook gave an excellent response, to which I have some inline comments.

The whole multihoming issue is very complex.  I discuss it at some 
length in Chapter 7 of my _WAN Survival Guide_ (Wiley, ISBN 
0471384283), but as part of a broader discussion of fault tolerance 
and load distribution.  I'll get into much more detail in my next 
book on exterior routing, but that isn't available yet.\

In the meantime, RFCs 1998 and 2270 give some insight.


>Hi Jacek,
>
>If the secondary IP on FastEthernet0 is from your address space and there is
>no dynamic routing between the customer and ISP B (ISP B has no knowledge of
>your address space at the customer site), then traffic from your IP block
should NOT return via ISP B.

The situation would be handled differently if your address space was 
allocated to you directly (i.e., provider independent or PI), or if 
it was sub-assigned by one of your providers (i.e., provider assigned 
or PA).

With PI space, if you are doing this for fault tolerance as well as 
load distribution, you must:

  announce your less-specific aggregate to both ISPs
  announce the more-specific prefixes to the ISP you prefer to have
traffic to that block come into your AS

With PA space, you must:

  anounce your less-specific aggregate to both ISPs
  announce the more-specific prefixes to the ISP you prefer to have
traffic to that block come into your AS
  be sure that the assigning AS advertises your more-specific as well
as its aggregate
  be sure that the other AS coordinates with the owning AS that it can
announce a more-specific from another AS's space.
  (must in Europe, strongly recommended elsewhere) Be sure that all
three AS (you and the two ISP) register the routing policies describing
this in a public routing registry.

>
>
>If you can't/won't use BGP to solve this, I only see the following choices
>left:

To be a little more blunt,

 You can't get 100% compliance with what you appear to want even if
you use BGP.  You can, however, increase the probability it will
happen most of the time.

 In many global routing situations, saying you can't use BGP is about
as relevant as a man drowning in the ocean saying, "but the US
constitution gives me a right to life."  The ocean doesn't care.
AS with whom you have no business relationship (i.e., that collect
no money from you) are under no obligation to follow policies you
announce with BGP.  They certainly aren't going to follow policies
that they don't know about because you aren't announcing the information
about your policy in BGP, or in routing registries.

In other words, there's a reasonable mind set that comes from working 
in routing that's limited to an enterprise -- that you can control 
all flow given sufficiently powerful policy enforcement mechanisms. 
To work effectively in ISP/global routing, you have to accept that 
you are no longer in complete control, and accept that the best you 
can do is influence to some extent.

If you need tighter control than that, an interprovider VPN is the 
only alternative.  VPNs, however, require that you know all the 
endpoints before configuring.  They do not support connectivity to or 
from arbitrary Internet addresses.

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Re: Can't get console on a Cisco WS-C1924C-A

2001-03-04 Thread Circusnuts

I had one of these Firmware 1924's in my lab awhile back.  You need a =
DB9 to DB9 Null Modem Cable.  I think I bought mine from one of those =
discount websites for 4.95 + $3 shipping.  I suspect you only see garble =
when consoling into the box.  You get the appearance of misconfigured =
Hypterm speeds setting.=20

Good Luck
Phil

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> Im guessing it's an older 1924?  I had a similar problem a couple =
years ago.
> You need to get/make a different console cable.  I think it's just a
> null-modem cable, but I can't be 100% certain (memory just isnt what =
it used
> to be).  Call TAC and get the cable-pinouts.
>=20
> Hope that helps.
> -Brad Ellis
> CCIE#5796
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.optsys.net
>=20
> ""Marco Rodrigues"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > Hello group,
> >
> > I recently got a hold of a Catalyst WS-C1924C-A. I want to begin =
the
> > process of upgrading it to Enterprise edition. Problem is I can't =
get a
> > console on the switch. My original problem was getting something on =
my
> > HyperTerm/SecureCRT/tips/minicom whatever. I use to get garbage
> characters.
> > From recent threads I read that I have to get a hold of a null modem =
cable
> > which I have. Problem now is when I type something on the emulator I
> > actually see my characters being typed in but I get no output on the
> screen.
> > The terminal setting are fine (9600 8N1).  Should I be rebooting the
> switch
> > and doing something before startup? I've tried holding down the mode
> button
> > as it starts up and nothing.  The documentation doesn't seem to =
specify
> > anything specific so that's what I'm asking here.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> >
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Re: image checksum error

2001-03-04 Thread Circusnuts

Bad checksum is produced by corrupt IOS images, incompatible boot ROMs, &
you FLASH that is bad or incompatible (wrong speed in nanoseconds).  You are
right, I doubt the images are bad...

Phil

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 1:08 PM
Subject: image checksum error


> I have two 1600 series routers that I am trying to upgrade to a IPsec
> feature set IOS. The problem I am experiencing is no matter version of the
> feature set I try (I've tried 4 so far), after the image appears to load
> successfuly from a TFTP server, the router displays the message "Image
> Checksum Error" and then procedes to boot from ROM. I have enough memory,
> flash shouldn't be of concern since I'm booting from a TFTP server. So
what
> gives? Anyone else experience this problem? Is it likely I got 4 bad
images
> from Cisco?  Thanks.
>
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Looking for a Supervisor I

2001-03-04 Thread Circusnuts

Can anyone help me here ???

Thanks
Phil

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RE: wildcard in access-list

2001-03-04 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>Bob Vance wrote,



>IIRC, at least stating at some IOS version level, this is being done
>automatically for you by IOS when it stores the ACL in the
>configuration.  Thus, if you typed:
>
>   access-list 101 tcp permit any 141.120.128.0 0.0.135.255
>
>it would actually show up via a  'sh run'  as
>
>   access-list 101 tcp permit any 141.120.0.0 0.0.135.255
>
>I'm not sure about this, though --
>I'm sure that someone else will confirm/debunk it.

I remember the behavior changing in 10-something, 10.2 to the best of 
my recollection.  That was the first release where access lists had 
significant backward compatibility problems.  The IOS, for example, 
always substituted "telnet" for "23" in TCP extended access list 
rules.

It definitely was 10.3 where the behavior of access-group changed. 
Prior to 10.3, if you defined "ip access-group 100" but there were no 
"access-list 100" lines, all traffic through the interface with the 
access group would stop.  This is quite consistent with good security 
practice, such as the Principle of Least Privilege, but was highly 
unpopular.

-

Going back to the original premise of this thread, using 
discontiguous masks to minimize the number of access list 
comparisons, writing a general program for doing so would be 
straightforward for anyone who has studied (and understood) code 
generation optimization in compilers.  While it's always hard to 
prove that something doesn't exist, I have never heard of such a tool 
in the computer-scientist-rich carrier environment.

I can think of a sort-of-reverse-case, not an optimizer but a 
code-generating program that used discontiguous masks.  When Sean 
Doran originally implemented the prefix length policy for Sprint, 
prior to the IOS supporting prefix length filters,  he wrote a 
program that generate about 16 page of access list rules.   That 
policy, incidentally, was always more complex than a simple "block 
anything longer than /19".

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Re: ISDN with 1 Spid

2001-03-04 Thread John

I cannot get the ISDN inteface to come up and using the same spid doesn't
work either.  I guess the best thing to ask is:  How do I modify my config
to use only one spid?

Thanks for your input Craig!


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> As in the areas of the country that assign you 64k ISDN service?  In that
> case, you'll still need two SPIDS if you're using BRI; the 64k restriction
> just means that the provider doesn't support the multilink function.
Enter
> both SPIDs in your config.
>
> With that said, what is the specific problem that you're encountering?  Is
> it that the interface won't come up?  Is it that the call won't dial?  Is
> it that the call dials, but won't authenticate?  Try using some of the
more
> common debug commands for this scenario:  debug isdn events, debug isdn
> q931, debug isdn q921, debug ppp authentication, debug ppp negotiation,
> etc..  Only turn up the ones you need or you'll have so much information
> that it'll be difficult to sort through it all.
>
> Good luck,
> Craig
>
> At 05:31 PM 3/3/2001 -0600, you wrote:
> >What if you only one have B channel?
> >
> >""J Roysdon"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > Custom Centrex (sp?) ISDN groups often use single or even no SPIDs.
Try
> > > specifying the SPID twice, or not at all.  Basically, the SPID is
assigned
> > > to both B channels.
> > >
> > > --
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> > > List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >
> > >
> > > ""John"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > > I have included a config I am deploying on a hub-and-spoke
deployment
> >via
> > > > frame-relay.  I am having problems getting the ISDN interface to
come up
> > > > with only one spid.  I do not have a strong background in ISDN and
would
> > > > appreciate assistance to tell me where I am going wrong in my
config.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you in advance for your help.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > John Huston
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > > begin config===
> > > >
> > > > service timestamps debug uptime
> > > > service timestamps log uptime
> > > > service password-encryption
> > > > !
> > > > hostname me
> > > > !
> > > > enable password you
> > > > !
> > > > logging buffered 4096 debugging
> > > > !
> > > > username test password 0 test
> > > > username me password 0 you
> > > > !
> > > > !
> > > > !
> > > > !
> > > > memory-size iomem 25
> > > > ip subnet-zero
> > > > no ip domain-lookup
> > > > ip dhcp excluded-address x.x.x.x x.x.x.x
> > > > !
> > > > ip dhcp pool primary
> > > >network x.x.x.x x.x.x.x
> > > >netbios-name-server x.x.x.x
> > > >default-router x.x.x.x
> > > >lease 5
> > > > !
> > > > isdn switch-type basic-ni
> > > > !
> > > > !
> > > > !
> > > > interface Serial0
> > > >  ip unnumbered FastEthernet0
> > > >  encapsulation frame-relay
> > > >  no fair-queue
> > > >  service-module t1 timeslots 23-24
> > > >  frame-relay map ip x.x.x.x xxx broadcast
> > > >  no shut
> > > > !
> > > >
> > > > interface BRI0
> > > >  description Backup ISDN interface
> > > >  ip address x.x.x.x x.x.x.x
> > > >  encapsulation ppp
> > > >  dialer idle-timeout 30
> > > >  dialer string xxx
> > > >  dialer load-threshold 25 outbound
> > > >  dialer-group 1
> > > >  isdn switch-type basic-ni
> > > >  isdn spid1 xxx
> > > >  no cdp enable
> > > >  ppp authentication pap callin
> > > >  ppp pap sent-username me password you
> > > >  no shut
> > > > !
> > > > interface FastEthernet0
> > > >  ip address x.x.x.x x.x.x.x
> > > >  no ip route-cache
> > > >  speed auto
> > > >  no fair-queue
> > > >  no shut
> > > > !
> > > > router eigrp 20
> > > >  network x.x.x.x
> > > > !
> > > > ip classless
> > > > no ip http server
> > > > !
> > > > !
> > > > map-class dialer 64k
> > > > access-list 101 deny   eigrp any any
> > > > access-list 101 permit ip any any
> > > > dialer-list 1 protocol ip list 101
> > > > !
> > > > line con 0
> > > >  exec-timeout 0 0
> > > >  transport input none
> > > > line aux 0
> > > > line vty 0 4
> > > >  password xxx
> > > >  login
> > > > !
> > > > no scheduler allocate
> > > > end
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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RE: Flash RAM erro - Cisco 2500

2001-03-04 Thread Don Wahl

This generally means the boot ROM doesn't understand the newer flash chips.
You can usually get around this by booting a newer IOS from TFTP (conf t,
boot system IOS_VERSION TFTP_SERVER,ctrl/Z, wr mem, reload) and then you can
erase the flash and copy the new IOS to it.


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Subject: Flash RAM erro - Cisco 2500


I have a 2505, IOS 10.2(6) which I am attempting to add more Flash RAM to in
order to run a more current IOS.  I purchased an 8 MB chip, but when I
install it and boot the router up I get the following error that doesn't
occur with the current 4 MB chip:

ERR:  Invalid chip id 0x80B5(reversed: 0x1AD) detected in system flash

Any ideas as to what this means as I have not encountered this one before.

Thanks,
Ken


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CCNA (640-407) Study Guide Wan Supplement

2001-03-04 Thread Stefan Dozier



Please accept my apologies for spamming the list.

Looking for fellow list member "cpasq" IRT subject document.

Unfortunately I deleted your original post looking for the
640-407 Study Guide WAN Supplement, so I can't email you directly.

While looking for something else I ran across the pdf copy
of the supplement I have. If you still need it email me
directly.

Stefan
  

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RE: wildcard in access-list

2001-03-04 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>  >Why?

To which Bob Vance responded,

>
>Less processing.

  CPU power is cheaper than brainpower, downtime through errors, etc.

>Elegance :)

  I've always regarded an elegant solution as one that is necessary
  and sufficient for all criteria. Maintainability is a criterion.

  A professor, in his* Tuesday class, droned on "it is obvious that XXX
  is ZZZ."

  A student responded, "Professor, are you sure it is obvious?"

  A look of professorial alarm. "Class dismissed."

  On Thursday, the class returned to find their professor still at the
  board, fairly obviously unwashed and unshaven since Tuesday, perhaps
  nourished only by incessant cups of coffee.  With a tired, triumphant,
  yet demented look, he announced: "Yes, it is obvious."

* choice of pronoun gender deliberate.  This is a guy thing**,  the 
academic version of refusing to ask for directions.
** a female professor, however, might want to share the experience of 
confusion.

>Cleverness :)

  There is a poorly documented corollary of Murphy's Law that establishes
  that idiots inherit the work of the clever.

  Military organizations have much folklore about this.  In working with
  US Navy personnel, I learned the valid distinctions between idiot-proofing
  and sailor-proofing.  Or, as it is said, the five most dangerous things
  in the Canadian Navy:
 -- Ordinary Seamen saying: "I learned this in Boot Camp"
 -- Petty Officers saying "Trust me, sir"
 -- Sublieutenants saying "Based on my experience"
 -- Lieutenants saying "I was just thinking"
 -- Chiefs saying "Watch this [output traffic from male cow]"

>More documentation ~%[
>
>I love that sort of stuff --


>hmm, I guess this means that you wouldn't hire me, eh, Howard?

Well, can you phrase this as "full employment for consultants?"

In all fairness, there is a regrettable Cisco tendency to teach and 
test for obscurity.

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Re: Flash RAM erro - Cisco 2500

2001-03-04 Thread Ken W. Alger

The boot proms are ver 11.0(10c)xB2, which I got from TAC about three months
ago.  My other routers are at the same boot prom level and can recognize 8MB
RAM or higher.  Any other thoughts?


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>
> Chances are pretty good that your boot proms do not recognize the newer
> flash. Call TAC and order new ones, they are free plus shipping.
>
> HTH
> --
> John Hardman CCNP MCSE+I
>
>
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> > I have a 2505, IOS 10.2(6) which I am attempting to add more Flash RAM
to
> in
> > order to run a more current IOS.  I purchased an 8 MB chip, but when I
> > install it and boot the router up I get the following error that doesn't
> > occur with the current 4 MB chip:
> >
> > ERR:  Invalid chip id 0x80B5(reversed: 0x1AD) detected in system flash
> >
> > Any ideas as to what this means as I have not encountered this one
before.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ken
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RE: Route-map

2001-03-04 Thread Andrew Cook

Hi Jacek,

If the secondary IP on FastEthernet0 is from your address space and there is
no dynamic routing between the customer and ISP B (ISP B has no knowledge of
your address space at the customer site), then traffic from your IP block
should NOT return via ISP B.

If you do not meet these criteria, let me ask some questions:
1. Is the secondary IP range that you are trying to use policy-routing to
force to your ISP from your address space (or does the secondary range NAT
to one of your IPs)?  If yes, then all clients using that space should be
coming back through your link if you are the only BGP speaker announcing
that network.  If it is address space from ISP B or they are announcing the
network in addition to you, then there could be multiple routes.  It needs
to be your address space unless you do option 2 below.
2. Is this a permanent solution or are you trying to get the customer to go
with you and drop ISP B altogether?  That makes a huge difference in
configuration if redundancy/failover needs to be factored in.  I'll assume
the customer wants to keep both connections in my responses below.

If you can't/won't use BGP to solve this, I only see the following choices
left:
1. If you have no communication/relationship with ISP B -
 Customer gets addresses from both providers - default to provider B, policy
route A addresses to provider A (that's what you're trying if the secondary
is your IP).  You'll need a floating default to provider A in case the B
link goes down, and you'll need to NAT A addresses if they take the B path
and NAT B addresses if they take the A path.  That way all traffic can get
out if a link fails and all traffic can find its way back, and it will
return via whatever pipe it goes out.
2. If you have communication/relationship with ISP B -
 Both ISPs can announce the addresses delegated to the customer from the
other ISP (or you as ISP A announce the ISP B addresses and don't assign any
of your own to the customer).  You'll both have to announce the same NLRI
for the range or BGP will actually prefer the other provider for your space
(takes the most specific route).  Keep policy mapping as is, no NAT needed,
but this will not guarantee symmetrical routing for reasons Howard and
others stated earlier - you have no control over other AS routing policies.
3.  If you are using private address space (can't tell from your sample but
I didn't see NAT statements so I assume you replaced public with private
before sending), you can use a variant of either 1 or 2 - there will be NAT
going on all the time rather than for specific uses.

It sounds like 1 will be the easiest and will show the customer how your
connection performs versus the competition.  If you don't need redundancy
then you can do #1 and not worry about any NAT at all.

If you want even more answers, I suggest posting to comp.dcom.sys.cisco -
someone there can probably give you the same or better answers as I did but
in an intelligible format :)

Andrew Cook


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> and ip policy route-map  on the ethernet  interface,
> I'll go always trough serial 1 or if the match criteria are met I'll go
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Re: Any ethernet Cabling questions on BCMSN Exam?

2001-03-04 Thread ramius

yeah---and look over the 802.x specs. That should get you two or three easy
answers right there.


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Re: Can't get console on a Cisco WS-C1924C-A

2001-03-04 Thread Brad Ellis

Im guessing it's an older 1924?  I had a similar problem a couple years ago.
You need to get/make a different console cable.  I think it's just a
null-modem cable, but I can't be 100% certain (memory just isnt what it used
to be).  Call TAC and get the cable-pinouts.

Hope that helps.
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> I recently got a hold of a Catalyst WS-C1924C-A. I want to begin the
> process of upgrading it to Enterprise edition. Problem is I can't get a
> console on the switch. My original problem was getting something on my
> HyperTerm/SecureCRT/tips/minicom whatever. I use to get garbage
characters.
> From recent threads I read that I have to get a hold of a null modem cable
> which I have. Problem now is when I type something on the emulator I
> actually see my characters being typed in but I get no output on the
screen.
> The terminal setting are fine (9600 8N1).  Should I be rebooting the
switch
> and doing something before startup? I've tried holding down the mode
button
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RE: wildcard in access-list

2001-03-04 Thread Bob Vance

Let's see...
You don't care whether bit 16 (or is that 17 :?) is a 0 or a 1, right?
Then the wildcard bit can be 1 :)

A general statement would be:
If you have two otherwise identical ACL statements with
addresses that differ only in one bit position, then you
can combine the ACLs into one with the mask having that
bit position set to 1 (don't care).
You can then iterate the above for more consolidation.



>3) compare the result with the original IP address in the access-list

The actual logical compare that must be done is:

  Do the care bits of the ACL address
  match the care bits of the processed address.

(obviously :)

So, technically, the ACL address must also be ANDed with the mask
complement, in case the ACL address, as entered, doesn't have all the
don't-care bits set to 0.  Of course, this would only be done once, at
initialization, and the value stored.

IIRC, at least stating at some IOS version level, this is being done
automatically for you by IOS when it stores the ACL in the
configuration.  Thus, if you typed:

  access-list 101 tcp permit any 141.120.128.0 0.0.135.255

it would actually show up via a  'sh run'  as

  access-list 101 tcp permit any 141.120.0.0 0.0.135.255

I'm not sure about this, though --
I'm sure that someone else will confirm/debunk it.



> the comparison fails

Still correct :)



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Nelluri Reddy
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 12:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: wildcard in access-list


I have two parts of a large network, the first part using 141.120.0.0
thru 141.120.7.255 and the second part using 141.120.128.0 thru
141.120.135.255. At the router connecting to Internet I want access from
outside limited only to these subnets and not to other addresses used. I
know that the following will work for TCP:

access-list 101 tcp permit any 141.120.0.0 0.0.7.255
access-list 101 tcp permit any 141.120.128.0 0.0.7.255

I want to condesnse this to a single statement as follows:

access-list 101 tcp permit any 141.120.0.0 0.0.135.255

Will this work?
For example 141.120.9.2 should not be allowed.
In binary 141.120.9.2 is 10001101.0000.1001.0010.

My understanding of the steps of how the access-list works is :

1) perform a NOT the mask, which gives in binary
  ..0000.
2) perform an AND between this and the IP address, which gives in binary
  10001101.0000.1000.
3) compare the result with the original IP address in the access-list
  the comparison fails
4) if successful, allow, otherwise drop.
  so the packet is dropped.

Is the above correct?
I don't have a lab to test this. I would appreciate any help. Thanks.

Nelluri

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RE: wildcard in access-list

2001-03-04 Thread Bob Vance

>Why?

Less processing.
Elegance :)
Cleverness :)
More documentation ~%[

I love that sort of stuff --
hmm, I guess this means that you wouldn't hire me, eh, Howard?


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Howard C. Berkowitz
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 1:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>I have two parts of a large network, the first part using 141.120.0.0
>thru 141.120.7.255 and the second part using 141.120.128.0 thru
>141.120.135.255. At the router connecting to Internet I want access
from
>outside limited only to these subnets and not to other addresses used.
I
>know that the following will work for TCP:
>
>access-list 101 tcp permit any 141.120.0.0 0.0.7.255
>access-list 101 tcp permit any 141.120.128.0 0.0.7.255
>
>I want to condesnse this to a single statement as follows:
>
>access-list 101 tcp permit any 141.120.0.0 0.0.135.255


Why?

Or, to put in other terms, how would you like to find that access
list statement in an undocumented configuration you've just been
asked to troubleshoot?

A good rule of thumb:  suspect any mask octet that doesn't have
contiguous bits,
unless you are EXACTLY sure why it's being done:

   Subnet   Wildcard
   --   
  255   0
  254   1
  252   3
  248   7
  240  15
  224  31
  192  63
  128 127
0 255

>
>Will this work?
>For example 141.120.9.2 should not be allowed.
>In binary 141.120.9.2 is 10001101.0000.1001.0010.
>
>My understanding of the steps of how the access-list works is :
>
>1) perform a NOT the mask, which gives in binary
>   ..0000.
>2) perform an AND between this and the IP address, which gives in
binary
>   10001101.0000.1000.
>3) compare the result with the original IP address in the access-list
>   the comparison fails
>4) if successful, allow, otherwise drop.
>   so the packet is dropped.
>
>Is the above correct?
>I don't have a lab to test this. I would appreciate any help. Thanks.
>
>Nelluri

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Re: Skip the HEXquestions--BCMSN?

2001-03-04 Thread James Garner

When you view the exhibit that Larry mentions below, make sure you resize
the screen...
when you first look at the tables, the columns are not lined up.
(Maximize the window to view the table properly)

"Larry Lamb" wrote:
> BCMSN gives you an exhibit with all the base-10 to base-16 conversions. So
> it's pretty simple to make the IP into a multicast MAC.
>
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Re: passed routing - THANKS!

2001-03-04 Thread James Garner

Brad,
Congratulations !

What materials did you use to study?
I'm taking this course in April and will get additional materials to study
for the exam.

Jay.

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image checksum error

2001-03-04 Thread Rizzo Damian

I have two 1600 series routers that I am trying to upgrade to a IPsec
feature set IOS. The problem I am experiencing is no matter version of the
feature set I try (I've tried 4 so far), after the image appears to load
successfuly from a TFTP server, the router displays the message "Image
Checksum Error" and then procedes to boot from ROM. I have enough memory,
flash shouldn't be of concern since I'm booting from a TFTP server. So what
gives? Anyone else experience this problem? Is it likely I got 4 bad images
from Cisco?  Thanks.

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Link problem

2001-03-04 Thread Aftab Rashid

Hi,

We are having problems in the performance of the ethernet. We are using
Cisco 2924 Switch for our Lan but I have observed that of and on various
links goes down and up quiet often. look as follows

Mar  4 16:54:31 dialup20 4448: 1w2d: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface
FastEthernet0/21,
 changed state to up
Mar  4 16:54:31 dialup20 4449: 1w2d: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol
on Inter
face FastEthernet0/21, changed state to up
Mar  4 16:54:39 dialup20 4450: 1w2d: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface
FastEthernet0/21,
 changed state to down
Mar  4 16:54:39 dialup20 4451: 1w2d: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol
on Inter
face FastEthernet0/21, changed state to down
Mar  4 16:55:11 dialup20 4452: 1w2d: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface
FastEthernet0/21,
 changed state to up
Mar  4 16:55:11 dialup20 4453: 1w2d: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol
on Inter
face FastEthernet0/21, changed state to up
Mar  4 17:36:17 dialup20 4454: 1w2d: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol
on Inter
face FastEthernet0/21, changed state to down
Mar  4 17:37:08 dialup20 4455: 1w2d: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface
FastEthernet0/21,
 changed state to up
Mar  4 17:37:08 dialup20 4456: 1w2d: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol
on Inter
face FastEthernet0/21, changed state to up
Mar  4 18:25:23 dialup20 4457: 1w2d: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface
FastEthernet0/23,
 changed state to up
Mar  4 18:25:23 dialup20 4458: 1w2d: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol
on Inter
face FastEthernet0/23, changed state to up.

I have checked the cables they are perfectly alright. I added
carrier-delay of  4 sec but got no advantage.

What could be the source of the problem and can I solve it.

Thanks

Aftab Rashid

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Re: Route-map

2001-03-04 Thread Santosh Koshy

Hi Jacek,

Did you try the extended ping like I told you too... This will
enable you to specify a source and destination IP address before pinging..
This way you can clearly trace which interface; packets generated from a
specific subnet will traverse.

I am not a 100% sure, but i think your culprit is the default
route

Thanks,
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Re: Route-map

2001-03-04 Thread Jacek Malinowski

I want only to know if I've a default route ( 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 serial 1),
and ip policy route-map  on the ethernet  interface,
I'll go always trough serial 1 or if the match criteria are met I'll go
trough serial 0 ?




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Re: Route-map

2001-03-04 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>I want to thank everyone for help.
>But I forgot to specify that running BGP is impossible.

Why?

>The company has a small network (100 users) and connection to Internet
>through ISP B (like on the picture). That link must be always up.
>
>The problem is that the company want to test another connection to Internet
>through ISP A at the same time ( small network (10 users) management :) ).
>I'm working as a systems engineer in ISP A :))), and we must sell our link.
>
>I know that the best will be BGP. I know that, but I must find another
>method.
>Maybe I was wrong, and with route-map command it'll be not work.
>But why ?

I'm confused now what your question is.  If it's why does the ping 
response often come in through a different path than the response 
went out of, nothing is broken -- there's no reason for it not to do 
so.

Be sure you are dealing with a real requirement rather something a 
customer "would like to have."

>I must be sure that tests two ISP without BGP is impossible.
>THX for help
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Re: Route-map

2001-03-04 Thread Jacek Malinowski

I want to thank everyone for help.
But I forgot to specify that running BGP is impossible.
The company has a small network (100 users) and connection to Internet
through ISP B (like on the picture). That link must be always up.

The problem is that the company want to test another connection to Internet
through ISP A at the same time ( small network (10 users) management :) ).
I'm working as a systems engineer in ISP A :))), and we must sell our link.

I know that the best will be BGP. I know that, but I must find another
method.
Maybe I was wrong, and with route-map command it'll be not work.
But why ?
I must be sure that tests two ISP without BGP is impossible.
THX for help




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question about DUAL

2001-03-04 Thread bgrz

I have been confused with Jeff Doyle's book 'Routing tcp/ip Volume 1' =
for a long time.Anyone who can explain it for me will be appreciated.My =
question is on DUAL,p354-p362,Diffusing Computation Example 2.In figure =
8.19,when Wright finds the distance to 10.1.7.0 change,it sends update =
to all neighbors and then becomes active.But in figure 8.20,when Cayley =
finds the distance to 10.1.7.0 change,it doesn't send update to its =
neighbors.Instead,it goes active and sends query to its neighbors =
immediately.Can anybody tell me when the router will send update or when =
the router will not?

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a question about dual

2001-03-04 Thread bgrz

I have been confused with Jeff Doyle's book 'Routing tcp/ip Volume 1' =
for a long time.Anyone who can explain it for me will be appreciated.My =
question is on DUAL,p354-p362,Diffusing Computation Example 2.In figure =
8.19,when Wright finds the distance to 10.1.7.0 change,it sends update =
to all neighbors and then becomes active.But in figure 8.20,when Cayley =
finds the distance to 10.1.7.0 change,it doesn't send update to its =
neighbors.Instead,it goes active and sends query to its neighbors =
immediately.Can anybody tell me when the router will send update or when =
the router will not?

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question about dual

2001-03-04 Thread zxh

I have been confused with Jeff Doyle's book 'Routing tcp/ip Volume 1'
for a long time.Anyone who can explain it for me will be appreciated.My
question is on DUAL,p354-p362,Diffusing Computation Example 2.In figure
8.19,when Wright finds the distance to 10.1.7.0 change,it sends update
to all neighbors and then becomes active.But in figure 8.20,when Cayley
finds the distance to 10.1.7.0 change,it doesn't send update to its
neighbors.Instead,it goes active and sends query to its neighbors
immediately.Can anybody tell me when the router will send update or when
the router will not?

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