[Cooker] [Bug 6013] [urpmi] unable to force urpmi.update
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6013 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-06-10 08:21 --- True theoricaly Bret, but after removing and creating again the same rpm sources, hdlist*.cz were different and MD5SUM was still the same (sorry I don't have the log anymore...). But, it's true that the base problem is the inconsitency of the mirror... not the last one I bet ;-) Berthy -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: It seems that urpmi.update doesn't work, even with -f, if MD5SUM file on the server is not up to date, or at last older than hdlist.cz. I was unable to get the hdlist.cz file on ftp.club-internet.fr, dated Sep 27 because the MD5SUM was generated on Sep 24. I tried to remove my local MD5SUM but didn't work. I had to remove and recreate my Cooker and Contrib source to get it. Thanks Berthy
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 9.2 update policy (was: gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out )
On Monday 06 Oct 2003 00:10, Michael Scherer wrote: > On Sunday 05 October 2003 16:42, Austin wrote: > > 2. jabber is not an option for most people since their friends don't > > use it > > Wrong. > Jabber is the best option because, they can talk to people on others > network., by using a gateway on the server. > they will not need to upgrade, because this will be done on the server > side. > I do not have a upgraded gaim, but i am still able to talk with friend > on yahoo, with amessage.info server. Jabber is no option for all the new guys that come over from Redmond OS, for they don't want a huge manual how to set up a gateway, they want working IM. If you don't care about those guys, you don't care about Mandrake. Jos
[Cooker] video in RC2
I've tried 9.2 RC1 and 2. In both, my webcam driver is loaded, but somehow the ddevice is not configured. The error message I get from a video4linux application is: "Unable to open /dev/video0 (No such device)" But /dev/video0 does exist, with correct permissions. The kernel module (ov511) is loaded. Can anyone help? This is the only serious problem I've seen with the release candidates. -- Guy
[Cooker] [Bug 6083] [squidGuard] New: Current version does not work on upgrade
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6083 Product: squidGuard Component: program Summary: Current version does not work on upgrade Product: squidGuard Version: 1.2.0-7mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P2 Component: program AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I upgrade from MK 8.2 to 9.1 to 9.2 RC2 and somewhere squidGuard failed. Presumable it was in the swtching to db4. I suspect that I am missing some db4 related RPM. I tried to re-build using the src.RPM and it wants db4-devel which I cannot install due to conflicts with db3 RPMS. I am not sure what to do next -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
Re: [Cooker] Re: Mandrake 9.2 update policy (was: gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out )
On Sunday 05 October 2003 16:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So, when we couldn't connect to a samba (2.0.6) server from a > Windows 2000 machine, did we isssue an update to 2.0.7 for all > the current releases? Had connecting from win2k worked in previous Samba releases? I don't think it had. > When you can't connect from any currently supported Mandrake > release to a Windows 2003 Server, did we ship an update to > samba-3.0.0 for all the current releases? Has connecting to win2k3 worked in previous Samba releases? I don't think it has. > No. Because they are feature enhancements. When something stops working, and then starts working again, it's called a bug fix. > I hope you meant "working" and not "current". I mean "whatever version is current as I write this," because in current releases the problem has apparently been fixed. I can't really argue about the rest, because I use Gaim to conduct business nearly as much as my mobile phone but I haven't had any troubles connecting to Windows servers using Samba due to 2k3's slow adoption. Rob
[Cooker] [Bug 6082] [printer-utils] New: mtink doesn't work with Epson stylus color 900 on usb
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6082 Product: printer-utils Component: program Summary: mtink doesn't work with Epson stylus color 900 on usb Product: printer-utils Version: 1.0-116mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P2 Component: program AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Noticed mtink monitor does not work with printer on USB - If I set up printer to use the URI mtink:/COLOR_900, sometimes I will get a test page out of it, but I just get an all black page printing from Mozilla. >From the monitor program (mtink), it comes up Error Problems with printer communication, please check the printer for errors: "Out of Paper", "No Ink", "printer not powered". Note that a few printers block for a few seconds after powering on. Added perms for the named pipe in /var/mtink/COLOR_900, didn't help. At one point, with mdk 9.1, I tried compiling latest mtink beta from source, I was able to get it to work for a few seconds after restarting the cups and mtink services, but then it would hang the printer so bad I had to pull the plug out of the wall. Tried the latest printer-utils out of Cooker, no go. -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
[Cooker] [Bug 6013] [urpmi] unable to force urpmi.update
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6013 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-06-10 04:03 --- But anyway, this problems only occurs because mirror are in bad state, as MD5SUM should reflect real md5 of files to download... -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: It seems that urpmi.update doesn't work, even with -f, if MD5SUM file on the server is not up to date, or at last older than hdlist.cz. I was unable to get the hdlist.cz file on ftp.club-internet.fr, dated Sep 27 because the MD5SUM was generated on Sep 24. I tried to remove my local MD5SUM but didn't work. I had to remove and recreate my Cooker and Contrib source to get it. Thanks Berthy
[Cooker] [Bug 6056] [urpmi] urpmi.update and local mirror for updates (mdk 9.1)
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6056 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEEDINFO Ever Confirmed||1 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-06-10 04:01 --- Ok, I build an 9.2 urpmi with smal fixes for 9.1, can you try it, I put it in unsupported (perl-URPM-0.94-6_91mdk and urpmi-4.4-38_91mdk). It should have the fix for curl proxy problems as well as many others problems fixed. -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: NEEDINFO creation_date: description: "urpmi.update --update" takes a lot of time to work (cca. 5-10 minutes) if URMP has no proxy settings (file /etc/urpmi/proxy.cfg is empty), but there is environment 'http_proxy' variable set (file /etc/profile.d/proxy.sh has proxy definition). That kind of configuration is needed because we have firewall, but Mdk updates mirror location is on the local network (local mirror ftp server for Mandrake updates). I think that the problem is in calling 'culr' command, if there is no proxy settings in file '/etc/urpmi/proxy.cfg'. Urmpi.update calls curl as follows: /usr/bin/curl 0-s -I ftp://nanos/linux/distr/Mandrake/updates/9.1/base/hd I think that there is invalid parameter '0-s', which maybe? it should be '-0 -s', but I can not see the whole command line with parameters of the running process to see the whole picture. In this situation probably curl uses parameter '0-s' as an URL, which must be found, but '0-s' URL doesn't exist. There is no problem to make 'urpmi.update', if URPMI update source resides on the internet (e.g. ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/...). In this situation URPM http proxy must be set because of the firewall. Maybe there is a bug in vendor perl module 'urpm.pm'?
Re: [Cooker] latest openssl
Oden Eriksson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> mv "%{buildroot}%_mandir/man7/Modes of DES.7" \
> "%{buildroot}%_mandir/man7/Modes_of_DES.7"
Don't you think this is easier to read?
mv "%{buildroot}%_mandir/man7/Modes of DES.7" \
"%{buildroot}%_mandir/man7/Modes_of_DES.7"
Or like this?
mv "%{buildroot}%_mandir/man7/{Modes of DES.7,Modes_of_DES.7}"
# Han
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Re: [Cooker] problem with rtl 8139 on acer TM 233
Sorry, this was a false alarm. The 3c589 works! I was using the wrong combination of vmlinuz and pcmcia.rdz But the RTL 8139 has problems as described. Keld On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 01:38:11AM +0200, Keld Jørn Simonsen wrote: > On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 01:09:08AM +0200, Keld Jørn Simonsen wrote: > > Hi > > > > I have a problem with the integrated RTL 8139 ethernet chip in my new > > Acer TravelMate 233. The 8139too 0.9.26 driver dies with a Oops: 0002 message > > it says in another place: > > Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address > > 0008 > > printing eip: > > d06261c0 > > > > This happens both under install from current cooker network.img > > and also with my installed 9.2beta 2 image. > > Also had more or less the same problem with an old 3com 3c589 card, > it made an oops - after booting off a cooker pcmcia.img image. > That is, I am booting from disk, after splitting the pcmcia.img up, > and using the kernel and pcmcia.rdz to boot from. It loads the > 3c589 driver but when asking for a dhcp address, it dies. > > The card functions more or less under 9.2beta2 , but dies after > transferring about 500 MB, and the screen looks strange, flickering > while transferring. > > Best regards > keld
Re: [Cooker] problem with rtl 8139 on acer TM 233
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 01:09:08AM +0200, Keld Jørn Simonsen wrote: > Hi > > I have a problem with the integrated RTL 8139 ethernet chip in my new > Acer TravelMate 233. The 8139too 0.9.26 driver dies with a Oops: 0002 message > it says in another place: > Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address > 0008 > printing eip: > d06261c0 > > This happens both under install from current cooker network.img > and also with my installed 9.2beta 2 image. Also had more or less the same problem with an old 3com 3c589 card, it made an oops - after booting off a cooker pcmcia.img image. That is, I am booting from disk, after splitting the pcmcia.img up, and using the kernel and pcmcia.rdz to boot from. It loads the 3c589 driver but when asking for a dhcp address, it dies. The card functions more or less under 9.2beta2 , but dies after transferring about 500 MB, and the screen looks strange, flickering while transferring. Best regards keld
Re: [Cooker] problem with rtl 8139 on acer TM 233
> Hi > > I have a problem with the integrated RTL 8139 ethernet chip in my new > Acer TravelMate 233. The 8139too 0.9.26 driver dies with a Oops: 0002 > message it says in another place: > Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address > 0008 > printing eip: > d06261c0 > > This happens both under install from current cooker network.img > and also with my installed 9.2beta 2 image. Hmm, I think I am running 2.4.22-9mdk on my cooker box with an RTL8139 (PCI or on-board, I forget now since I have changed M/Bs a few times on that box ...) without problems. Have you tested the memory on the machine? Also, RTL8139 on-board cards normally give problems with apic, so you may want to try booting with noapic (but usually this just results in a bad IRQ, not an oops). I have set up a few laptops that have such a chip (or helped owners of such machines), but only with older releases. Have you tried booting the network.img from 9.1? That would help narrow things down, as I have run or helped others run 9.1 on a few such machines. Regards, Buchan * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] Please excuse my ignorance.........
söndagen den 5 oktober 2003 23.57 skrev Scott Chevalley: > Yep, I live in Virginia and I have found, for me, the two fasted sites are > ftp.uninett.no and ftp.sunet.se which are both in Europe. Also ftp.du.se is fast, but no rsync.
Re: [Cooker] opengroupware
måndagen den 6 oktober 2003 00.57 skrev Spencer: > Oden Eriksson wrote: > >söndagen den 5 oktober 2003 16.47 skrev Austin: > > > >[...] > > > >>with the wrapper, and cooker was like a week from being frozen. I think > >>Spence and I did a decent job of it (mostly Spence). > > > >I guess you found this: > > > >http://sukka.jct.ac.il/~yedidia/ogo_rh.html > > > >? > > > > > > > >. > > Long ago. Most of it is in the opengroupware-env package. Ok, thanks. Will try to find time this week to research this software...
[Cooker] problem with rtl 8139 on acer TM 233
Hi I have a problem with the integrated RTL 8139 ethernet chip in my new Acer TravelMate 233. The 8139too 0.9.26 driver dies with a Oops: 0002 message it says in another place: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 0008 printing eip: d06261c0 This happens both under install from current cooker network.img and also with my installed 9.2beta 2 image. Best regards keld
Re: [Cooker] opengroupware
Oden Eriksson wrote: söndagen den 5 oktober 2003 16.47 skrev Austin: [...] with the wrapper, and cooker was like a week from being frozen. I think Spence and I did a decent job of it (mostly Spence). I guess you found this: http://sukka.jct.ac.il/~yedidia/ogo_rh.html ? . Long ago. Most of it is in the opengroupware-env package.
[Cooker] latest openssl
Hi.
I had to do this with the latest openssl source:
# install the pkgconfig file
install -m0755 -d %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/pkgconfig
install -m0644 openssl.pc %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/
# fix weird man page naming...
mv "%{buildroot}%_mandir/man3/EVP_MD_CTX_copy_ex EVP_MD_CTX_copy.3" \
"%{buildroot}%_mandir/man3/EVP_MD_CTX_copy_ex_EVP_MD_CTX_copy.3"
mv "%{buildroot}%_mandir/man3/UI_construct_prompt UI_add_user_data.3" \
"%{buildroot}%_mandir/man3/UI_construct_prompt_UI_add_user_data.3"
mv "%{buildroot}%_mandir/man7/Modes of DES.7" \
"%{buildroot}%_mandir/man7/Modes_of_DES.7"
I have no idea why the manpages was named this way, but ignoring renaming them
makes the makewhatis cron job spit out errors.
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 9.2 update policy (was: gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out )
On 10/05/2003 06:10:49 PM, Michael Scherer wrote: On Sunday 05 October 2003 16:42, Austin wrote: > 2. jabber is not an option for most people since their friends don't > use it Wrong. Jabber is the best option because, they can talk to people on others network., by using a gateway on the server. they will not need to upgrade, because this will be done on the server side. I do not have a upgraded gaim, but i am still able to talk with friend on yahoo, with amessage.info server. Okay, true I guess. I have never tried it. I don't use IM anyway. BUT, obviously we need to make the distinctions between the jabber client and the jabber protocol/network. I meant the protocol, not the client. Stupid old English again... just like the beer/freedom problem... Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 9.2 update policy (was: gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out )
On Sunday 05 October 2003 16:42, Austin wrote: > 2. jabber is not an option for most people since their friends don't > use it Wrong. Jabber is the best option because, they can talk to people on others network., by using a gateway on the server. they will not need to upgrade, because this will be done on the server side. I do not have a upgraded gaim, but i am still able to talk with friend on yahoo, with amessage.info server. So, i think that using jabber is a more than valid alternatives, for the moment. Take a look at the public server list on http://www.jabber.org/user/publicservers.php As you can see, there is more than 40 servers with these gateways, and it works great. The only problem i see is that gaim is unable to register on a gateway, i had to use kopete for this but kopete is too buggy for daily use ( at least on my computer ). but, they can also use gabber, or psi, i didn't tested them. -- Mickaël Scherer
Re: [Cooker] Please excuse my ignorance.........
Yep, I live in Virginia and I have found, for me, the two fasted sites are ftp.uninett.no and ftp.sunet.se which are both in Europe. Scott Quoting Thomas Spuhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I am in Arizona and often European mirrors are faster especially in the > evening. You just try different ones. > I have a Comcast cable connection get up to 230k/s download. > -- > Tomr > > All e-mail sent from this site has been scanned for viruses. > This E-mail has a digital signature attached for proof of its origin. > > On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 11:29, Jay DeKing wrote: > > On Wednesday 01 October 2003 7:43 pm, Austin honored me with this > communique: > > > On 10/02/2003 11:07:44 AM, Steve Larabee wrote: > > > > I am brand new to the "Cooker" scene and am having trouble finding > > > > the > > > > most effective way (not to mention reliable FTP site) to keep > > > > updated. > > > > > > See http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/wiki > > > > > > > A list of RELIABLE FTP sites in the eastern half of the US would also > > > > be > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > None. > > > > > > Austin > > > > I live in Florida. All of the cooker mirrors that I use are in Europe. The > > > ones I have tried in the U.S. are just too slow. > > > > Close != faster. > > > > Jay > >
Re: [Cooker] opengroupware
söndagen den 5 oktober 2003 16.47 skrev Austin: [...] > with the wrapper, and cooker was like a week from being frozen. I think > Spence and I did a decent job of it (mostly Spence). I guess you found this: http://sukka.jct.ac.il/~yedidia/ogo_rh.html ?
[Cooker] [Bug 6081] [menudrake] New: Menudrake fails to set the KMenu entries
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6081 Product: menudrake Component: menudrake Summary: Menudrake fails to set the KMenu entries Product: menudrake Version: 0.7.4-2mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: major Priority: P2 Component: menudrake AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Running Menudrake in KDE completely loses all the entries in KMenu. It switches to the simplify version and is not possible to recover the full version. The KPanel buttons dont work anymore. The context menu (right click on desktop) is also lost. Besides, the KDE Control Center doesnt show any option on the left column so it completely useless. I have also noticed that the programs based on GTK2 returns to the default look. For example, gaim and xchat dont look anymore like the rest of KDE applications. -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
[Cooker] [Bug 5889] [samba-client] During upgrade from 9.1 to 9.2RC2, alternative names aren't updated
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5889 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-05-10 23:40 --- On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 02:35:43PM +0200, [bgmilne] wrote: Why aren't these links checked after the upgrade is finished? That would seem to solve the conflicting situation, wouldn't it? Cheers Simon -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: I was upgrading from Mandrake 9.1 to 9.2RC2 using the CD install method, and afterwords, all samba client references had 2 at the end (e.g. smbclient2, and no smbclient).
[Cooker] [Bug 6072] [mailman] Mailman not sending mails when running kernel-secure
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6072 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEEDINFO|RESOLVED Resolution||FIXED --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-05-10 23:28 --- This fixes all the problems I have had with mailman. Very nice. Thanks -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: Mailman does not deliver any mails. Running "service mailman status" says something about qrunner is dead. If I run "mailmanctl start" directly I get lots of errors like this: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 76, in ? import CheckFixUid File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/CheckFixUid.py", line 6, in ? class CheckFixUid: File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/CheckFixUid.py", line 12, in CheckFixUid if os.geteuid() != uid: NameError: name 'uid' is not defined The script CheckFixUid.py is made by check_perms_grsecurity.py, so this error only applies if running kernel with grsecurity.
Re: [Cooker] Re: Mandrake 9.2 update policy (was: gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out )
> On Sunday 05 October 2003 15:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > If software is buggy, you can do three things IMHO: >> Sorry, but where is the bug report for this buggy software? >> This is not a bug (to my understanding), but a feature >> enhancement (if we're talking about gaim). > > If by "feature enhancement" you mean "support protocols that > worked previously but were broken in the shipped version", I > guess you're right ;) But in the rest of the world, that's > called a bug fix. So, when we couldn't connect to a samba (2.0.6) server from a Windows 2000 machine, did we isssue an update to 2.0.7 for all the current releases? When you can't connect from any currently supported Mandrake release to a Windows 2003 Server, did we ship an update to samba-3.0.0 for all the current releases? (There was an issue with Windows XP also, but I forget now if it affected scenarios besides when using WindowsXP in a samba domain). No. Because they are feature enhancements. So, clearly there needs to be a better policy on issuing updates. If we're going to ship gaim to work with a propreitary communication protocol to allow interoperability with the latest changes, should we not ship updates to the most used corporate file/print-serving protocol to allow interoperability with the latest version? > Basically, if a current gaim isn't available *from Mandrake* for > the current Mandrake distribution, whether as an update or > whatever, then Mandrake can't claim to support any widely used > instant messaging protocols except Oscar (AIM). I hope you meant "working" and not "current". If Vince was wasting his time updating to the latest release of each messaging client for every distro, he wouldn't have time for security updates. > I know there are a lot > of people who would say "good riddance", but with > Mandrake's focus on the desktop, it looks bad. Make all the > excuses you want, but some reviews are bound to reflect this > decision. What decision. We are all speculating. AFAIK, no-one has filed a bug. The maintainer may not care or even know there is a problem. > The question is whether Mandrake's current position is solid > enough to allow reviewers the opportunity to say "this distro > claims to be a desktop operating system, but I couldn't even > sign onto my instant messenger service." Chronic IRC users are > prone to not seeing instant messaging as a core desktop > application like office and browser, but normal users do and so > do many reviewers. My point of view is that if it's not mainly used for business purposes, then it isn't a core desktop application. Maybe the reviewer will complain that they could not print to their new shiny Windows2003 server, when the new Redhat/Fedora release can? But that's my point of view. If you want an official point of view, make it an official problem (by filing a bug report). Has anyone filed a bug? Has any one been testing it? Has someone looked through the changes from the previous version to see if there could be any potential problems with the update? Finally,didn't we know about this problem in advance? Did anyone do forward planning for this? Regards, Buchan * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] opengroupware
söndagen den 5 oktober 2003 16.47 skrev Austin: > On 10/05/2003 02:20:39 PM, Spencer wrote: > > What it is, is an extraordinary amount of Redhat crud that needs to be > > fixed. I will be uploading a new snapshot early in the week to correct a > > LOT of problems. Due to the rush to get it into 9.2, too many things got > > missed:-) > > Hey, one guy put this together from a huge mess of redhat packaging mayhem. > We asked for testers, and got like two. Neither of them reported problems > with the wrapper, and cooker was like a week from being frozen. I think > Spence and I did a decent job of it (mostly Spence). > > You can install it by just selecting the packages in rpmdrake, and it works > fine. Obviously the wrapper doesn't work, but you could install the rpms > (in the proper order) and it would work too. > > Spence is working on Mandrakifying the rpms, and there may be a very cool > surprise in the works long before 9.3/10 is released. (surprise?) Oh, I'm sorry guys... I thought this OpenGroupware thing was just a new phpgroupware thing... I know a little more now. Seems cool, but _A LOT OF BITS AND PIECES_ to dig through, phuh!... How long will that take..., a week?, a month? Anyone have this working? I have made a module for apache2 with the weird looking name "ngobjweb" using parts of the spec file from Spencers upload, but I saw Jean-Michel Daults changelog entry "- rebuild with apache 1.3.28"... What is that about, it doesn't work with apache2? Well..., here it is anyway (for now): http://www.deserve-it.com/Cooker/RPMS/apache2-mod_ngobjweb-2.0.47_0.1-0.20030814.1mdk.i586.rpm http://www.deserve-it.com/Cooker/SRPMS/apache2-mod_ngobjweb-2.0.47_0.1-0.20030814.1mdk.src.rpm
Re: [Cooker] Re: Mandrake 9.2 update policy (was: gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out )
On Sunday 05 October 2003 15:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > If software is buggy, you can do three things IMHO: > Sorry, but where is the bug report for this buggy software? > This is not a bug (to my understanding), but a feature > enhancement (if we're talking about gaim). If by "feature enhancement" you mean "support protocols that worked previously but were broken in the shipped version", I guess you're right ;) But in the rest of the world, that's called a bug fix. Basically, if a current gaim isn't available *from Mandrake* for the current Mandrake distribution, whether as an update or whatever, then Mandrake can't claim to support any widely used instant messaging protocols except Oscar (AIM). I know there are a lot of people who would say "good riddance", but with Mandrake's focus on the desktop, it looks bad. Make all the excuses you want, but some reviews are bound to reflect this decision. The question is whether Mandrake's current position is solid enough to allow reviewers the opportunity to say "this distro claims to be a desktop operating system, but I couldn't even sign onto my instant messenger service." Chronic IRC users are prone to not seeing instant messaging as a core desktop application like office and browser, but normal users do and so do many reviewers. Rob
Re: [Cooker] Re: Mandrake 9.2 update policy (was: gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out )
> On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 17:05, Thomas Backlund wrote: >> > > People will start saying: "... but you updated that package ...", >> and "this package adds or modifies this or that feature that is >> needed... if we don't have it I consider it's broken... and we >> can't have a "broken" distrib..." >> > >> > Now we're comparing OpenOffice with Gaim... What these bugs are for >> Gaim, is "oowriter and oocalc won't start" for OpenOffice. (Which >> actually happened to me in RC2, but happened to be fixed in time). >> I.e. buggy enough to make the package unusable for most people. >> >> Maybe a bad comparision, but the point is that different users has >> different opinions of what's important to get as an update > > You are right there... And I am experienced enough with linux to compile > gaim from scratch if I have to... But I don't want to go back to this > specific case at all.. > > If software is buggy, you can do three things IMHO: Sorry, but where is the bug report for this buggy software? This is not a bug (to my understanding), but a feature enhancement (if we're talking about gaim). > > 1) Provide upgrades for everyone This is done for real bugs and for security vulnerabilities. > 2) Make very clear to "download" users that updates are available for > the software but they are only available after registration. This is > what is said to happen now, but I haven't seen such thing. Sure, I can > to register, but what I am missing is the "ah I have to > register, so these bugs are fixed and I get these advantages" feeling. Well, that doesn't change which software should be placed where, only the initial message that should appear in the first time wizard. I am running it now, and it says "If you have an internet connection you'll be able to refister for Mandrake Online Services" (which, granted, is a bit vague, but then MandrakeClub isn't just updated packages ..). > 3) Don't ship the software. Or leave it in contrib ;-) > >> > > today gaim, tomorrow OpenOffice.org final..., and then ... >> > > >> > > and suddenly the updates mirrors are not a few kB more... instead >> you will be calculating the updates in MBs, then in GBs >> > >> > For some reason I immedately must think about the famous Redmond OS >> service packs, sometimes 100 MB in size. You happily download those, >> for they fix bugs. >> >> Yeah, but we don't have to try to be as "bad" as them... ;-) >> and remember that all those customers (atleast the legal ones) has >> already >> paid for their product, something that you can compare to the club >> account ( see below...) > > I do not completely agree with you on this one. In the Redmond case you > pay, install, get annoyed with the bugs, update. In the mandrake case > you download, install, get annoyed with the bugs, must pay, update. No, you don't pay for bugs. Bugfixes are provided via updates. If you want feature enhancements without doing the work yourself, you can join MandrakeClub. > Basic buisiness rule: annoyed or angry customers are reluctant to pay, > especially when they are not sure that all their problems will be fixed > after they paid. And, if all their needs are satisfied without paying, why would they pay? (Not that I advocate an extortion system where you can only get a functional system if you are a member, but there must be something of value which you can only get by paying ...). > >> and IMHO that's something that people don't really like either >> especially on slow dial-up lines... > > Very true. But the fact a part of the people have a slow connection > (none at all) shouldn't be a reason why not to provide updates. It's a > good reason to provide a "Download most critical fixes only" option. And "critical fixes only" are in the official updates. > >> >> > > So IMHO here comes the power of an Club membership..., >> > > >> > > join the club and you will most likely get the downloads there... >> and all are happy... (you get what you pay for... remember...) >> > >> > You say, become a club member. Ok, fair. Problem is, when I Mr newbe >> user download Mandrake, I see a buggy distro, and no updates. In the >> first place, I see nowhere that many problems are solved if I pay >> (and I'm reluctant to pay, for Mandrake is buggy, and who tells me >> that my problems are gone after I paid ?), in the second place, >> after I paid, the manual how to get the club updates in, is >> practically non existent (I found something deep in a forum once). >> >> If you have a club account, after the installation, upon first boot, >> the Fist Time Wizard will help you set up your Club account, and >> automatically add the club download source to the installer, and so >> you will be able to upgrde... > > Ok, I must admit, I missed the first time wizzard on 9.2 (and was not a > clubmember yet when I installed 9.1), for X crashes badly with my dual > screen setup. (A known bug in the Matrox driver) After I finished > hacking, the first time wizzard has lon
Re: [Cooker] opengroupware
On 10/05/2003 02:20:39 PM, Spencer wrote: What it is, is an extraordinary amount of Redhat crud that needs to be fixed. I will be uploading a new snapshot early in the week to correct a LOT of problems. Due to the rush to get it into 9.2, too many things got missed:-) Hey, one guy put this together from a huge mess of redhat packaging mayhem. We asked for testers, and got like two. Neither of them reported problems with the wrapper, and cooker was like a week from being frozen. I think Spence and I did a decent job of it (mostly Spence). You can install it by just selecting the packages in rpmdrake, and it works fine. Obviously the wrapper doesn't work, but you could install the rpms (in the proper order) and it would work too. Spence is working on Mandrakifying the rpms, and there may be a very cool surprise in the works long before 9.3/10 is released. Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 9.2 update policy (was: gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out )
On 10/05/2003 01:07:33 PM, "Vincent Meyer, MD" wrote: > Or, I see that using proprietary, controlled communication protocols is a > bad idea (Gaim). A new user shouldn't see any problems with OpenOffice.org > (AFAIK the problem you mention only happens on upgrade). Only one problem with this - a new Linux user doesn't know or care about open source vs proprietary politics, or that using Yahoo and MSN is bad while Jabber is good, or whatever. We can TEACH them about this later, once we HAVE them as users. Problem is if they can't do the simple things they do every day with windows - and as much as I hate to admit it, online chat is a big one, they won't stay to learn why they can't - they'll just leave. Absolutely. Policies, ethics, and manifestos are all good and nice, and should never be forgotten. That doesn't mean they should never be broken, and it doesn't mean that they should always be put ahead of success. I think this whole argument is geeting silly. The simple points are... 1. many people use IM's 2. jabber is not an option for most people since their friends don't use it 3. potential Windows converts are always looking for a reason that Linux can't perform as well as Windows 4. people often rate a distro based on one trial installation, and often never try it again 5. reviewers are very likely to say: "Hey this is cool... Mandrake has made sure their IM clients work by providing an online, last-minute update, that involves and automated 2.1 MB download of gaim, if (and only if) gaim was installed by the user." 6. reviewers are equally likely to say something stupid like: "We installed Mandrake 9.2, and we couln't access AOL or MSN instant messaging. If you require instant messaging, we suggest gentoo." At the end of the day, ten experts are mad because we broke the updates policy, and a thousand users are happy that instant messaging works out of the box. Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] opengroupware
Robert L martin wrote: Ha ha ha!!!, urpmi is round-robin!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# urpmi OpenGroupware.org One of the following packages is needed: 1- opengroupware-sope-4.2-20030721.1mdk.i586 2- opengroupware-sope-devel-4.2-20030721.1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# urpmi OpenGroupware.org One of the following packages is needed: 1- opengroupware-logic-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 2- opengroupware-logic-devel-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# urpmi OpenGroupware.org One of the following packages is needed: 1- opengroupware-webui-libs-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 2- opengroupware-webui-libs-devel-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# What this looks like is just like the commities this is for you need about half the list (if you note that one of the packages each pair has || devel ||in it you may see the illogic of it all) is there some sort of " not with %this string% in the name" switch? . What it is, is an extraordinary amount of Redhat crud that needs to be fixed. I will be uploading a new snapshot early in the week to correct a LOT of problems. Due to the rush to get it into 9.2, too many things got missed:-) Spence
Re: [Cooker] opengroupware
söndagen den 5 oktober 2003 17.54 skrev Robert L martin: > > Ha ha ha!!!, urpmi is round-robin!!! > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# urpmi OpenGroupware.org > > One of the following packages is needed: > > 1- opengroupware-sope-4.2-20030721.1mdk.i586 > > 2- opengroupware-sope-devel-4.2-20030721.1mdk.i586 > > What is your choice? (1-2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# urpmi OpenGroupware.org > > One of the following packages is needed: > > 1- opengroupware-logic-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 > > 2- opengroupware-logic-devel-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 > > What is your choice? (1-2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# urpmi OpenGroupware.org > > One of the following packages is needed: > > 1- opengroupware-webui-libs-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 > > 2- opengroupware-webui-libs-devel-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 > > What is your choice? (1-2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# > > What this looks like is just like the commities this is for you need > about half the list (if you note that one of the packages each pair has > > || devel ||in it you may see the illogic of it all) > > is there some sort of " not with %this string% in the name" switch? Ahh, I don't have time with this, sorry, I CC:ed Austin who is the maintainer of these packages.
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 9.2 update policy (was: gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out )
On Sunday 05 October 2003 10:43 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 14:55, Thomas Backlund wrote: > >> Jos Hulzink kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Sunnuntai 05 Lokakuu > >> 2003 > >> > >> 15:30): > >> > This is not a matter of depending on gaim, this is a matter of > >> > >> willing to prevent reviews from writing "Mandrake 9.2 is no good, it > >> comes with broken software" > >> > >> > Mandrake has a nice update feature during install, let's use it, > >> > >> instead of defining what a bugfix is. What is better ? A few extra > >> kB of updates, or a broken distribution ? > >> > >> The problem that arises here is "the bigger picture"... > >> You say "a few extra kB..." > >> But once you open the "bugfix/security updates" system to this, > >> where does it end...?? > >> > >> People will start saying: "... but you updated that package ...", and > >> "this package adds or modifies this or that feature that is needed... > >> if we don't have it I consider it's broken... and we can't have a > >> "broken" distrib..." > > > > Now we're comparing OpenOffice with Gaim... What these bugs are for > > Gaim, is "oowriter and oocalc won't start" for OpenOffice. (Which > > actually happened to me in RC2, but happened to be fixed in time). I.e. > > buggy enough to make the package unusable for most people. > > Oh, come on. Rename ~/.openoffice with your favourite file management > tool, and then try again. Or run it from the console to see what the error > is. > > I think Gwenole had problems reproducing it, and I don't remember anyone > providing a real test case. > > >> so where do you draw the line...? > >> and since all packages always gets updated with more features, > >> or feature enchancements... > > > > To be honest: for me, the sky is the limit, but it's easy talking with a > > cable connection. But to draw a line: most packages have a distinction > > between bugfix releases and feature releases. Ok, of course with Gaim > > we got the exception to this rule... > > Exactly, gaim would be a feature release, not a bug release => it should > not go in updates IMHO, but in unsupported/MandrakeClub. > > >> today gaim, tomorrow OpenOffice.org final..., and then ... > >> > >> and suddenly the updates mirrors are not a few kB more... instead you > >> will be calculating the updates in MBs, then in GBs > > > > For some reason I immedately must think about the famous Redmond OS > > service packs, sometimes 100 MB in size. You happily download those, > > for they fix bugs. > > > >> So IMHO here comes the power of an Club membership..., > >> > >> join the club and you will most likely get the downloads there... and > >> all are happy... (you get what you pay for... remember...) > > > > You say, become a club member. Ok, fair. Problem is, when I Mr newbe > > user download Mandrake, I see a buggy distro, and no updates. > > Or, I see that using proprietary, controlled communication protocols is a > bad idea (Gaim). A new user shouldn't see any problems with OpenOffice.org > (AFAIK the problem you mention only happens on upgrade). Only one problem with this - a new Linux user doesn't know or care about open source vs proprietary politics, or that using Yahoo and MSN is bad while Jabber is good, or whatever. We can TEACH them about this later, once we HAVE them as users. Problem is if they can't do the simple things they do every day with windows - and as much as I hate to admit it, online chat is a big one, they won't stay to learn why they can't - they'll just leave. > > > In the > > first place, I see nowhere that many problems are solved if I pay (and > > I'm reluctant to pay, for Mandrake is buggy, and who tells me that my > > problems are gone after I paid ?), in the second place, after I paid, > > the manual how to get the club updates in, is practically non existent > > (I found something deep in a forum once). > > What do you mean by buggy > > And *real* bug can be filed at bugs.mandrakelinux.com, and will be solved. > > For feature updates to software, go to MandrakeClub. > > And, BTW, the Mandrake firsttime wizard should set the Club source up for > you, and if you bought a box, you will get a month membership, so you can > join immediately (with the product code on the box). It should be > painless. > > > Users are willing to pay for something good, not for something bad that > > mabye gets better after they paid. To quote you: "join the club and you > > will most likely get the downloads there". I don't see whether that is > > true, so I should just pay and hope ? Sorry, that's not the way > > customers think in 2003. > > Sure, but we aren't responsible for other peoples instant messaging > networks. If they *really* want to play "change-the-protocol", that's > their problem. Nope, we're not responsible for them. We just have to have happy customers who can talk to / with them. > > > What I am really discussing is the way users see MandrakeSoft, that > > alm
Re: [Cooker] Re: Mandrake 9.2 update policy
Robert L martin kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Sunnuntai 05 Lokakuu 2003 19:03): > > OTOH many of the users of Download Edition does not ever buy a package or > > become a club member anyway, wich means it does not generate any income > > there either... > > And this is where you need to mkae sure that 99.999% of the packages (by > useage) work the first time. > and this would be better if people got involved in the beta process, so that bugs could be fixed before we go into deep freeze and not like now when many try with the last RC, and find a bug, and reports it when the master ISOs has been sent... > Speaking as one of those D/l users i say > MAKE A DISTRO WORTH PAYING FOR AND I WILL PAY FOR IT!! > this is a catch22, ... if more would pay, mdk would be able to pay more employees, wich would make an even better distro, more QA, more testing, more h/w, wich would sell better... and how do you define "A DISTRO WORTH PAYING FOR" ... if you dig long enough you will always find some bug thast annoys you, does that mean it's not worth paying for Or as it reminds me of an employee in a company I used to work for... He complained about getting to low salary, and said if they would pay him better, he would work harder... >From the management I heard the complaints about him being slow, so they had no reason to pay him more... So who is right and who is wrong? When both think they are right and the other part is wrong... Does the management have too high expectations, or is it the employee that thinks he's better than he actually is? But, as always... everyone has to choose for themselves what to do, as no one can force you to decide one way or another... It's the ultimate freedom of choice... > Speaking of which will the dvd make christmas? AFAIK they should, ... -- Regards Thomas
Re: [Cooker] Re: Mandrake 9.2 update policy (was: gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out )
Jos Hulzink kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Sunnuntai 05 Lokakuu 2003 19:04): > On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 17:05, Thomas Backlund wrote: > > > > People will start saying: "... but you updated that package ...", > > > > and "this package adds or modifies this or that feature that is > > > > needed... if we don't have it I consider it's broken... and we can't > > > > have a "broken" distrib..." > > > > > > Now we're comparing OpenOffice with Gaim... What these bugs are for > > > Gaim, is "oowriter and oocalc won't start" for OpenOffice. (Which > > > actually happened to me in RC2, but happened to be fixed in time). I.e. > > > buggy enough to make the package unusable for most people. > > > > Maybe a bad comparision, but the point is that different users has > > different opinions of what's important to get as an update > > You are right there... And I am experienced enough with linux to compile > gaim from scratch if I have to... But I don't want to go back to this > specific case at all.. > > If software is buggy, you can do three things IMHO: > > 1) Provide upgrades for everyone This is already done for security and bugs... > 2) Make very clear to "download" users that updates are available for the > software but they are only available after registration. This is what is > said to happen now, but I haven't seen such thing. Sure, I can > to register, but what I am missing is the "ah I have to register, so these > bugs are fixed and I get these advantages" feeling. This need to be better adverised... > 3) Don't ship the software. > Now this is an interesting one... Once again, where do you draw the line if it's considered to buggy or not...? Just to make an example: - There are people that can't get X to run properly/or not at all on their system..., so lets not ship it at all ;-) ( Yeah, it's an overkill... but you get the point) It's always difficult to decide what to ship and what not to... > > > > today gaim, tomorrow OpenOffice.org final..., and then ... > > > > > > > > and suddenly the updates mirrors are not a few kB more... instead you > > > > will be calculating the updates in MBs, then in GBs > > > > > > For some reason I immedately must think about the famous Redmond OS > > > service packs, sometimes 100 MB in size. You happily download those, > > > for they fix bugs. > > > > Yeah, but we don't have to try to be as "bad" as them... ;-) > > and remember that all those customers (atleast the legal ones) has > > already paid for their product, something that you can compare to the > > club account ( see below...) > > I do not completely agree with you on this one. In the Redmond case you > pay, install, get annoyed with the bugs, update. In the mandrake case you > download, install, get annoyed with the bugs, must pay, update. Basic > buisiness rule: annoyed or angry customers are reluctant to pay, especially > when they are not sure that all their problems will be fixed after they > paid. > Well, you dont have to pay for normal security or bugfixes, only for enchancements.. > > and IMHO that's something that people don't really like either especially > > on slow dial-up lines... > > Very true. But the fact a part of the people have a slow connection (none > at all) shouldn't be a reason why not to provide updates. It's a good > reason to provide a "Download most critical fixes only" option. > True, but the current system already supports "Download most critical fixes only" as you can choose what to download or not... > > > > So IMHO here comes the power of an Club membership..., > > > > > > > > join the club and you will most likely get the downloads there... > > > > and all are happy... (you get what you pay for... remember...) > > > > > > You say, become a club member. Ok, fair. Problem is, when I Mr newbe > > > user download Mandrake, I see a buggy distro, and no updates. In the > > > first place, I see nowhere that many problems are solved if I pay (and > > > I'm reluctant to pay, for Mandrake is buggy, and who tells me that my > > > problems are gone after I paid ?), in the second place, after I paid, > > > the manual how to get the club updates in, is practically non existent > > > (I found something deep in a forum once). > > > > If you have a club account, after the installation, upon first boot, the > > Fist Time Wizard will help you set up your Club account, and > > automatically add the club download source to the installer, and so you > > will be able to upgrde... > > Ok, I must admit, I missed the first time wizzard on 9.2 (and was not a > clubmember yet when I installed 9.1), for X crashes badly with my dual > screen setup. (A known bug in the Matrox driver) After I finished hacking, > the first time wizzard has long forgotten that it ever existed (and me > too). > This is actually something that could be better..., but how do you get people reminded of it without annoying them...? > > > Users are willing to pay for something good, not for something bad that
Re: [Cooker] Re: Mandrake 9.2 update policy
BTW, most (ie >95% of) internet subscribers in South Africa are on dialup. We have about 3000 DSL lines total available in the country ... and I expect there are many countries in a similar situation, where just adding OpenOffice.org to updates would require users to run a > 6 hour update ... and even in the US its not like you can just pop into RadioShack and get broadband service (yet). most of the time its a matter of wading past ads by the meter to get to the truth (and you may not find it even then)
Re: [Cooker] Re: Mandrake 9.2 update policy
OTOH many of the users of Download Edition does not ever buy a package or become a club member anyway, wich means it does not generate any income there either... And this is where you need to mkae sure that 99.999% of the packages (by useage) work the first time. Speaking as one of those D/l users i say MAKE A DISTRO WORTH PAYING FOR AND I WILL PAY FOR IT!! Speaking of which will the dvd make christmas?
Re: [Cooker] Re: Mandrake 9.2 update policy (was: gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out )
On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 17:05, Thomas Backlund wrote: > > > People will start saying: "... but you updated that package ...", > > > and "this package adds or modifies this or that feature that is > > > needed... if we don't have it I consider it's broken... and we can't > > > have a "broken" distrib..." > > > > Now we're comparing OpenOffice with Gaim... What these bugs are for Gaim, > > is "oowriter and oocalc won't start" for OpenOffice. (Which actually > > happened to me in RC2, but happened to be fixed in time). I.e. buggy > > enough to make the package unusable for most people. > > Maybe a bad comparision, but the point is that different users has > different opinions of what's important to get as an update You are right there... And I am experienced enough with linux to compile gaim from scratch if I have to... But I don't want to go back to this specific case at all.. If software is buggy, you can do three things IMHO: 1) Provide upgrades for everyone 2) Make very clear to "download" users that updates are available for the software but they are only available after registration. This is what is said to happen now, but I haven't seen such thing. Sure, I can to register, but what I am missing is the "ah I have to register, so these bugs are fixed and I get these advantages" feeling. 3) Don't ship the software. > > > today gaim, tomorrow OpenOffice.org final..., and then ... > > > > > > and suddenly the updates mirrors are not a few kB more... instead you > > > will be calculating the updates in MBs, then in GBs > > > > For some reason I immedately must think about the famous Redmond OS > > service packs, sometimes 100 MB in size. You happily download those, for > > they fix bugs. > > Yeah, but we don't have to try to be as "bad" as them... ;-) > and remember that all those customers (atleast the legal ones) has already > paid for their product, something that you can compare to the club account > ( see below...) I do not completely agree with you on this one. In the Redmond case you pay, install, get annoyed with the bugs, update. In the mandrake case you download, install, get annoyed with the bugs, must pay, update. Basic buisiness rule: annoyed or angry customers are reluctant to pay, especially when they are not sure that all their problems will be fixed after they paid. > and IMHO that's something that people don't really like either especially > on slow dial-up lines... Very true. But the fact a part of the people have a slow connection (none at all) shouldn't be a reason why not to provide updates. It's a good reason to provide a "Download most critical fixes only" option. > > > > So IMHO here comes the power of an Club membership..., > > > > > > join the club and you will most likely get the downloads there... > > > and all are happy... (you get what you pay for... remember...) > > > > You say, become a club member. Ok, fair. Problem is, when I Mr newbe user > > download Mandrake, I see a buggy distro, and no updates. In the first > > place, I see nowhere that many problems are solved if I pay (and I'm > > reluctant to pay, for Mandrake is buggy, and who tells me that my > > problems are gone after I paid ?), in the second place, after I paid, the > > manual how to get the club updates in, is practically non existent (I > > found something deep in a forum once). > > If you have a club account, after the installation, upon first boot, the > Fist Time Wizard will help you set up your Club account, and automatically > add the club download source to the installer, and so you will be able to > upgrde... Ok, I must admit, I missed the first time wizzard on 9.2 (and was not a clubmember yet when I installed 9.1), for X crashes badly with my dual screen setup. (A known bug in the Matrox driver) After I finished hacking, the first time wizzard has long forgotten that it ever existed (and me too). > > Users are willing to pay for something good, not for something bad that > > mabye gets better after they paid. To quote you: "join the club and you > > will most likely get the downloads there". I don't see whether that is > > true, so I should just pay and hope ? Sorry, that's not the way customers > > think in 2003. > > I made a Bad choice of words... > most packages that have had a high demand has been built and uploaded > to Club AFAIK... I have been a club member for half a year now, and manage to find my way trough the download section. (www interface that is, the urpmi interface is easy, but I try to look as a non-member now) All I ment to say is that customers want to see what they pay for, and the entrance to the club downloads (for non club members) isn't exactly paved with marble... Mr Newbie downloads 9.2, installs 9.2, clicks trough the first time wizzard, skipping the registration for he first wants to see whether he likes it, and gets no clue anymore that the bugs are solved / updates are available if he is registered. It would be nice if Mandrake
Re: [Cooker] opengroupware
Ha ha ha!!!, urpmi is round-robin!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# urpmi OpenGroupware.org One of the following packages is needed: 1- opengroupware-sope-4.2-20030721.1mdk.i586 2- opengroupware-sope-devel-4.2-20030721.1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# urpmi OpenGroupware.org One of the following packages is needed: 1- opengroupware-logic-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 2- opengroupware-logic-devel-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# urpmi OpenGroupware.org One of the following packages is needed: 1- opengroupware-webui-libs-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 2- opengroupware-webui-libs-devel-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# What this looks like is just like the commities this is for you need about half the list (if you note that one of the packages each pair has || devel ||in it you may see the illogic of it all) is there some sort of " not with %this string% in the name" switch?
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
>> Making your way trough >> sourceforge to find the correct update is not done for newbies that >> try Mandrake as Redmond OS replacement, and Mandrake attracts a lot >> of those. > > > Just for this reason alone I think there should be a Mandrakeupdate.com > that a newbie could go to and get the correct list of update servers > (maybe include a copy of the PLF tool also) MandrakeUpdate can get the list from the existing sites. Please, we don't need *even* more domain names for Mandrake, we have about 10 already, and they're all disparate sites with different navigation systems, seperate identities/accounts etc. Rather, there should be *one* site which is comprehensive enough for everyone to find the details they need. > > Oh btw the mnadrake update thing seems to be a bit broken for 9.1 (no US > mirrors are valid) Check the mirror status page at http://www.mandrakesecure.net * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
Making your way trough sourceforge to find the correct update is not done for newbies that try Mandrake as Redmond OS replacement, and Mandrake attracts a lot of those. Just for this reason alone I think there should be a Mandrakeupdate.com that a newbie could go to and get the correct list of update servers (maybe include a copy of the PLF tool also) Oh btw the mnadrake update thing seems to be a bit broken for 9.1 (no US mirrors are valid)
[Cooker] Re: perl automatic provides again
Luca Berra wrote: > On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 04:54:07PM +0200, Luca Berra wrote: >>hi, >>today i found two packages that provide half of perl. >> >>psad-1.2.3-1mdl from contrib and >>wml-2.0.9 from MAIN < > > A fix for this kind of problems could be having perl autoprovides > generated only for files in default @INC, but it would create > problems for packages that require modules in other places. > also modifying the autorequire script not to issue requires for modules > that are provided by files anywhere in the package > > i still believe that psad and wml are broken, they should not include > perl modules that are provided in their own package. Yes, and sitescooper (from contrib) was similarly broken (providing perl modules it shouldn't have been). I can't remember if it was fixed or not.
Re: [Cooker] Re: Mandrake 9.2 update policy (was: gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out )
> Kirjoitit viestissäsi (lähetysaika Sunnuntai 05 Lokakuu 2003 17:28): >> On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 14:55, Thomas Backlund wrote: >> > Jos Hulzink kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Sunnuntai 05 Lokakuu >> 2003 >> > today gaim, tomorrow OpenOffice.org final..., and then ... >> > >> > and suddenly the updates mirrors are not a few kB more... instead >> you will be calculating the updates in MBs, then in GBs >> >> For some reason I immedately must think about the famous Redmond OS >> service packs, sometimes 100 MB in size. You happily download those, >> for they fix bugs. >> I guess that users download the updates so happily that their machines are never more than a week behind? This is why we never have worms for Windows that congest the whole internet when the fix has been available through WindowsUpdate for 3 weeks? Also, remember that WindowsXPSP1 broke virual memory management, which is why they had to issue SP1a => 200MB+ download if you were keeping up. > > Yeah, but we don't have to try to be as "bad" as them... ;-) > and remember that all those customers (atleast the legal ones) has > already > paid for their product, something that you can compare to the club > account ( see below...) > > and IMHO that's something that people don't really like either > especially on slow dial-up lines... > Also, note that reviewers often take the installation time, and compare the whole distro on this. So, if they were to do an installation with updates, and we had OpenOffice.org (~ 100MB update for a single locale if the whole package were updated) in updates, that would easily double the installation time ... Also, it might lead reviewers to think the update hadn't worked. So, there had better be very good reasons for updating large packages. BTW, most (ie >95% of) internet subscribers in South Africa are on dialup. We have about 3000 DSL lines total available in the country ... and I expect there are many countries in a similar situation, where just adding OpenOffice.org to updates would require users to run a > 6 hour update ... Regards, Buchan * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] perl automatic provides again
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 04:54:07PM +0200, Luca Berra wrote: hi, today i found two packages that provide half of perl. psad-1.2.3-1mdl from contrib and wml-2.0.9 from MAIN < A fix for this kind of problems could be having perl autoprovides generated only for files in default @INC, but it would create problems for packages that require modules in other places. also modifying the autorequire script not to issue requires for modules that are provided by files anywhere in the package i still believe that psad and wml are broken, they should not include perl modules that are provided in their own package. Regards, L. -- Luca Berra -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Communication Media & Services S.r.l. /"\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN XAGAINST HTML MAIL / \
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 5859] [initscripts] Improve startup speed (solution in this report)
> http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5859 > > > > > > --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-05-10 12:39 > --- For me network start takes REALY long when not connected to then > net: eth0 1 minute 20 seconds (8139too) Have you tried enabling network hotplugging for this card? It is capable of it, and in that case you will never wait for it to come up. > eth1 1 minute 40 seconds (wlan orinoco) > This is with default setup from Drak on Fujitsu E7010 (P4 notebook). I am not sure if wireless cards work that well with ifplugd, but this could certainly be fixed by using network profiles in the Mandrake control center. > I've tested and it's working for me ! It takes me less than an hour to > configure it ... It would be great if the init script could be replace > by this one... All informations are on this page : > http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-boot.html Sure, but it has nothing to do with the problem you have described (long delay bringing up network connections), since you would still have to wait for network services to be brought up if you are not plugged in, whereas enabling network hotplugging (should work out-the-box for 8139too-based cards at least) *does* deal with this. Please provide the contents of your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 if you are unsure about how to check for network hotplugging. * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
[Cooker] Re: Mandrake 9.2 update policy (was: gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out )
Kirjoitit viestissäsi (lähetysaika Sunnuntai 05 Lokakuu 2003 17:28): > On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 14:55, Thomas Backlund wrote: > > Jos Hulzink kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Sunnuntai 05 Lokakuu 2003 > > > > 15:30): > > > This is not a matter of depending on gaim, this is a matter of willing > > > to prevent reviews from writing "Mandrake 9.2 is no good, it comes with > > > broken software" > > > > > > Mandrake has a nice update feature during install, let's use it, > > > instead of defining what a bugfix is. What is better ? A few extra kB > > > of updates, or a broken distribution ? > > > > The problem that arises here is "the bigger picture"... > > You say "a few extra kB..." > > But once you open the "bugfix/security updates" system to this, > > where does it end...?? > > > > People will start saying: "... but you updated that package ...", > > and "this package adds or modifies this or that feature that is needed... > > if we don't have it I consider it's broken... and we can't have a > > "broken" distrib..." > > Now we're comparing OpenOffice with Gaim... What these bugs are for Gaim, > is "oowriter and oocalc won't start" for OpenOffice. (Which actually > happened to me in RC2, but happened to be fixed in time). I.e. buggy enough > to make the package unusable for most people. > Maybe a bad comparision, but the point is that different users has different opinions of what's important to get as an update > > so where do you draw the line...? > > and since all packages always gets updated with more features, > > or feature enchancements... > > To be honest: for me, the sky is the limit, but it's easy talking with a > cable connection. But to draw a line: most packages have a distinction > between bugfix releases and feature releases. Ok, of course with Gaim we > got the exception to this rule... > > > today gaim, tomorrow OpenOffice.org final..., and then ... > > > > and suddenly the updates mirrors are not a few kB more... instead you > > will be calculating the updates in MBs, then in GBs > > For some reason I immedately must think about the famous Redmond OS service > packs, sometimes 100 MB in size. You happily download those, for they fix > bugs. > Yeah, but we don't have to try to be as "bad" as them... ;-) and remember that all those customers (atleast the legal ones) has already paid for their product, something that you can compare to the club account ( see below...) and IMHO that's something that people don't really like either especially on slow dial-up lines... > > So IMHO here comes the power of an Club membership..., > > > > join the club and you will most likely get the downloads there... > > and all are happy... (you get what you pay for... remember...) > > You say, become a club member. Ok, fair. Problem is, when I Mr newbe user > download Mandrake, I see a buggy distro, and no updates. In the first > place, I see nowhere that many problems are solved if I pay (and I'm > reluctant to pay, for Mandrake is buggy, and who tells me that my problems > are gone after I paid ?), in the second place, after I paid, the manual how > to get the club updates in, is practically non existent (I found something > deep in a forum once). > If you have a club account, after the installation, upon first boot, the Fist Time Wizard will help you set up your Club account, and automatically add the club download source to the installer, and so you will be able to upgrde... > Users are willing to pay for something good, not for something bad that > mabye gets better after they paid. To quote you: "join the club and you > will most likely get the downloads there". I don't see whether that is > true, so I should just pay and hope ? Sorry, that's not the way customers > think in 2003. > I made a Bad choice of words... most packages that have had a high demand has been built and uploaded to Club AFAIK... > What I am really discussing is the way users see MandrakeSoft, that almost > bankrupt company with a rather cool distro that needs all money it can get. > The problem with any linux distribution is that the Download Edition is in > fact your advertisement. And bad advertisement doesn't sell. And selling is > essential for MandrakeSoft. > OTOH many of the users of Download Edition does not ever buy a package or become a club member anyway, wich means it does not generate any income there either... > Maybe -but that's too late now- it is an option to add a feature during the > install period: Enter MandrakeClub membership ID / Passwd (or registration > code) to get less critical updates. I can live with paying for some > updates, if only you can make clear to the customers what they gain after > paying. Show them a list of updates only available to members... or > something... > > Jos this is alrerady done by the first time wizard... and we do have "update" CD's every 6 months, with the latest and greatest software... ;-) ... -- Regards Thomas
[Cooker] perl automatic provides again
hi, today i found two packages that provide half of perl. psad-1.2.3-1mdl from contrib and wml-2.0.9 from MAIN < RG psad has perl modules in /usr/lib/psad/i386-linux wml has perl modules in /usr/lib/wml/perl/lib so perl.prov finds those, but perl does NOT grumble! this is an example of what i found, but the problem is not limited to this. perl(Date::Calc) is provided by both perl-Date-Calc and psad (from contrib) perl-Date-Calc from main autorequires perl(Bit::Vector) which is provided by wml, but it won't work anyway for the perl-Date-Calc i built fixed RPMS which are available at http://percy.comedia.it/~bluca/cooker/perl you need all three of perl-Date-Calc perl-Bit-Vector perl-Carp-Clan, since Carp::Clan is used by both the other two, and I split it in its own package these should go into updates for 9.2! i'd open a bug on bugzilla, but i do not have the time to check for all broken packages, urpmf '\.pm$' |grep -v -e '/usr/lib/perl5/' -e '/usr/share/doc' will give you an idea of packages that should be checked regards, L. -- Luca Berra -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Communication Media & Services S.r.l. /"\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN XAGAINST HTML MAIL / \
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 9.2 update policy (was: gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out )
> On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 14:55, Thomas Backlund wrote: >> Jos Hulzink kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Sunnuntai 05 Lokakuu >> 2003 >> >> 15:30): >> > This is not a matter of depending on gaim, this is a matter of >> willing to prevent reviews from writing "Mandrake 9.2 is no good, it >> comes with broken software" >> > >> > Mandrake has a nice update feature during install, let's use it, >> instead of defining what a bugfix is. What is better ? A few extra >> kB of updates, or a broken distribution ? >> >> The problem that arises here is "the bigger picture"... >> You say "a few extra kB..." >> But once you open the "bugfix/security updates" system to this, >> where does it end...?? >> >> People will start saying: "... but you updated that package ...", and >> "this package adds or modifies this or that feature that is needed... >> if we don't have it I consider it's broken... and we can't have a >> "broken" distrib..." > > Now we're comparing OpenOffice with Gaim... What these bugs are for > Gaim, is "oowriter and oocalc won't start" for OpenOffice. (Which > actually happened to me in RC2, but happened to be fixed in time). I.e. > buggy enough to make the package unusable for most people. Oh, come on. Rename ~/.openoffice with your favourite file management tool, and then try again. Or run it from the console to see what the error is. I think Gwenole had problems reproducing it, and I don't remember anyone providing a real test case. > >> so where do you draw the line...? >> and since all packages always gets updated with more features, >> or feature enchancements... > > To be honest: for me, the sky is the limit, but it's easy talking with a > cable connection. But to draw a line: most packages have a distinction > between bugfix releases and feature releases. Ok, of course with Gaim > we got the exception to this rule... Exactly, gaim would be a feature release, not a bug release => it should not go in updates IMHO, but in unsupported/MandrakeClub. > >> today gaim, tomorrow OpenOffice.org final..., and then ... >> >> and suddenly the updates mirrors are not a few kB more... instead you >> will be calculating the updates in MBs, then in GBs > > For some reason I immedately must think about the famous Redmond OS > service packs, sometimes 100 MB in size. You happily download those, > for they fix bugs. > >> So IMHO here comes the power of an Club membership..., >> >> join the club and you will most likely get the downloads there... and >> all are happy... (you get what you pay for... remember...) > > You say, become a club member. Ok, fair. Problem is, when I Mr newbe > user download Mandrake, I see a buggy distro, and no updates. Or, I see that using proprietary, controlled communication protocols is a bad idea (Gaim). A new user shouldn't see any problems with OpenOffice.org (AFAIK the problem you mention only happens on upgrade). > In the > first place, I see nowhere that many problems are solved if I pay (and > I'm reluctant to pay, for Mandrake is buggy, and who tells me that my > problems are gone after I paid ?), in the second place, after I paid, > the manual how to get the club updates in, is practically non existent > (I found something deep in a forum once). What do you mean by buggy And *real* bug can be filed at bugs.mandrakelinux.com, and will be solved. For feature updates to software, go to MandrakeClub. And, BTW, the Mandrake firsttime wizard should set the Club source up for you, and if you bought a box, you will get a month membership, so you can join immediately (with the product code on the box). It should be painless. > > Users are willing to pay for something good, not for something bad that > mabye gets better after they paid. To quote you: "join the club and you > will most likely get the downloads there". I don't see whether that is > true, so I should just pay and hope ? Sorry, that's not the way > customers think in 2003. Sure, but we aren't responsible for other peoples instant messaging networks. If they *really* want to play "change-the-protocol", that's their problem. > What I am really discussing is the way users see MandrakeSoft, that > almost bankrupt company with a rather cool distro that needs all money > it can get. The problem with any linux distribution is that the > Download Edition is in fact your advertisement. And bad advertisement > doesn't sell. And selling is essential for MandrakeSoft. I don't see how this is relevant. I don't use gaim (instant messaging doesn't work through our corporate firewall, and if I really wanted instant messaging I would use jabber or something open), so I think 9.2 really is a good release. > Maybe -but that's too late now- it is an option to add a feature during > the install period: Enter MandrakeClub membership ID / Passwd (or > registration code) to get less critical updates. You obviously haven't run the firsttime wizard, otherwise you would have seen this, username/password o
[Cooker] Mandrake 9.2 update policy (was: gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out )
On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 14:55, Thomas Backlund wrote: > Jos Hulzink kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Sunnuntai 05 Lokakuu 2003 > > 15:30): > > This is not a matter of depending on gaim, this is a matter of willing to > > prevent reviews from writing "Mandrake 9.2 is no good, it comes with > > broken software" > > > > Mandrake has a nice update feature during install, let's use it, instead > > of defining what a bugfix is. What is better ? A few extra kB of updates, > > or a broken distribution ? > > The problem that arises here is "the bigger picture"... > You say "a few extra kB..." > But once you open the "bugfix/security updates" system to this, > where does it end...?? > > People will start saying: "... but you updated that package ...", > and "this package adds or modifies this or that feature that is needed... > if we don't have it I consider it's broken... and we can't have a "broken" > distrib..." Now we're comparing OpenOffice with Gaim... What these bugs are for Gaim, is "oowriter and oocalc won't start" for OpenOffice. (Which actually happened to me in RC2, but happened to be fixed in time). I.e. buggy enough to make the package unusable for most people. > so where do you draw the line...? > and since all packages always gets updated with more features, > or feature enchancements... To be honest: for me, the sky is the limit, but it's easy talking with a cable connection. But to draw a line: most packages have a distinction between bugfix releases and feature releases. Ok, of course with Gaim we got the exception to this rule... > today gaim, tomorrow OpenOffice.org final..., and then ... > > and suddenly the updates mirrors are not a few kB more... instead you will > be calculating the updates in MBs, then in GBs For some reason I immedately must think about the famous Redmond OS service packs, sometimes 100 MB in size. You happily download those, for they fix bugs. > So IMHO here comes the power of an Club membership..., > > join the club and you will most likely get the downloads there... > and all are happy... (you get what you pay for... remember...) You say, become a club member. Ok, fair. Problem is, when I Mr newbe user download Mandrake, I see a buggy distro, and no updates. In the first place, I see nowhere that many problems are solved if I pay (and I'm reluctant to pay, for Mandrake is buggy, and who tells me that my problems are gone after I paid ?), in the second place, after I paid, the manual how to get the club updates in, is practically non existent (I found something deep in a forum once). Users are willing to pay for something good, not for something bad that mabye gets better after they paid. To quote you: "join the club and you will most likely get the downloads there". I don't see whether that is true, so I should just pay and hope ? Sorry, that's not the way customers think in 2003. What I am really discussing is the way users see MandrakeSoft, that almost bankrupt company with a rather cool distro that needs all money it can get. The problem with any linux distribution is that the Download Edition is in fact your advertisement. And bad advertisement doesn't sell. And selling is essential for MandrakeSoft. Maybe -but that's too late now- it is an option to add a feature during the install period: Enter MandrakeClub membership ID / Passwd (or registration code) to get less critical updates. I can live with paying for some updates, if only you can make clear to the customers what they gain after paying. Show them a list of updates only available to members... or something... Jos
[Cooker] [Bug 6072] [mailman] Mailman not sending mails when running kernel-secure
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6072 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-05-10 16:10 --- You can try this build, which addresses both the kernel-secure issue and Bug 5932. http://peoples.mandrakesoft.com/~sbenedict/mailman-2.1.2-9.1mdk.i586.rpm -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: NEEDINFO creation_date: description: Mailman does not deliver any mails. Running "service mailman status" says something about qrunner is dead. If I run "mailmanctl start" directly I get lots of errors like this: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 76, in ? import CheckFixUid File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/CheckFixUid.py", line 6, in ? class CheckFixUid: File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/CheckFixUid.py", line 12, in CheckFixUid if os.geteuid() != uid: NameError: name 'uid' is not defined The script CheckFixUid.py is made by check_perms_grsecurity.py, so this error only applies if running kernel with grsecurity.
Re: [Cooker] Shorewall fails to load modules in 9.2RC2
lördagen den 4 oktober 2003 17.53 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> Hi
>
> I installed Mandrake9.2RC2 with shorewall firewall and was having problems
> making ftp transfers.
> After some investigation I determined that the problem was that shorewall
> wasn't loading the ip_conntrack_ftp kernel module although that module was
> listed in /etd/shorewall/modules.
> The reason why the module wasn't being loaded is that the kernel module is
> compressed in a file called ip_conntrack.o.gz and shorewall was searching
> for a file called ip_conntrack_ftp.gz
> The patch bellow fixes the problem:
>
> --- shorewall-1.4.6c/firewall.orig2003-10-04 16:41:40.0 +0100
>
> +++ shorewall-1.4.6c/firewall 2003-10-04 16:42:58.0 +0100
> @@ -2694,7 +2694,7 @@
> if [ -z "`lsmod | grep $modulename`" ]; then
> shift
>
> - for suffix in o gz ko ; do
> + for suffix in o o.gz ko ; do
> modulefile=$MODULESDIR/${modulename}.${suffix}
>
> if [ -f $modulefile ]; then
>
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Re: [Cooker] argh, i can't edit wiki
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 17:43, Thomas Backlund wrote: > jokerman64 kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Sunnuntai 05 Lokakuu 2003 > 02:37): > > On Saturday 04 October 2003 01:37 pm, Thomas Backlund wrote: > > > From: "John Keller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > jokerman64 wrote: > > > > > what do i do? > > > > > > > > You need to e-mail Warly to get Wiki access. > > > > > > Nope... > > > Go here: > > > http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Thomas > > > > that's where i went and signed up so, been there, done that > > And you still haven't got any access... oh well ... > Then it's time to get e-mail Warly... > It might take a couple of tries. I emailed him a week or so ago and haven't heard back. He's probably pretty busy being around release time and all. -- Jason Komar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lubetec
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
Greg Meyer kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Sunnuntai 05 Lokakuu 2003 16:46): > On Sunday 05 October 2003 08:55 am, Thomas Backlund wrote: > > People will start saying: "... but you updated that package ...", > > and "this package adds or modifies this or that feature that is needed... > > if we don't have it I consider it's broken... and we can't have a > > "broken" distrib..." > > Wait. Isn't that what Cooker is? :-) exactly ;-) If you want the latest all the time... run Cooker ... at your own risk... -- Regards Thomas
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Sunday 05 October 2003 08:55 am, Thomas Backlund wrote: > People will start saying: "... but you updated that package ...", > and "this package adds or modifies this or that feature that is needed... if > we don't have it I consider it's broken... and we can't have a "broken" > distrib..." Wait. Isn't that what Cooker is? :-) -- /g "Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read" -Groucho Marx
[Cooker] [Bug 6080] [OpenOffice.org] New: Autopilots in OpenOffice.org cannot save template: General I/O Error
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6080 Product: OpenOffice.org Component: packaging Summary: Autopilots in OpenOffice.org cannot save template: General I/O Error Product: OpenOffice.org Version: 1.1-0.rc4.2mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: critical Priority: P2 Component: packaging AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How to reproduce: (the lables might not be correct, I'm using the german version) 1) start openoffice 2) try to create a new template using the autopilot (either Letter or Fax works for me) 3) choose finish -> error message How to fix: (see also http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/kotyzov_oo-autopilot.html) - remove /usr/lib/openoffice/share/template/extra (which doesn't exist btw) - remove ~/.openoffice/user/registry/data/org/openoffice/ucb/Hierarchy.xcu -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
[Cooker] [Bug 6079] [vsound] New: Sox dependency is missing
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6079 Product: vsound Component: program Summary: Sox dependency is missing Product: vsound Version: 0.5-4mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: major Priority: P2 Component: program AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vsound cannot save the recorded file : /usr//bin/vsound: line 192: sox: command not found Sox should be an installed dependency -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
Re: [Cooker] opengroupware
söndagen den 5 oktober 2003 14.38 skrev Spencer: > Oden Eriksson wrote: > >Hi. > > > >I was about to try out "opengroupware", but this is quite confusing: > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] RPMS2]# urpmi opengroupware > >The following packages contain opengroupware: > >opengroupware-core > >opengroupware-core-devel > >opengroupware-core-tools > >opengroupware-database > >opengroupware-docapi > >opengroupware-docapi-devel > >opengroupware-env > >opengroupware-gstep-db > >opengroupware-gstep-db-devel > >opengroupware-gstep-db-postgresql72 > >opengroupware-gstep-make > >opengroupware-gstep-make-devel > >opengroupware-gstep-objc > >opengroupware-gstep-objc-devel > >opengroupware-js > >opengroupware-js-devel > >opengroupware-libfoundation > >opengroupware-libfoundation-devel > >opengroupware-libical > >opengroupware-libical-devel > >opengroupware-logic > >opengroupware-logic-devel > >opengroupware-sope > >opengroupware-sope-devel > >opengroupware-theme-default-de > >opengroupware-theme-default-en > >opengroupware-webui-admin > >opengroupware-webui-app > >opengroupware-webui-base > >opengroupware-webui-common > >opengroupware-webui-contact > >opengroupware-webui-forms > >opengroupware-webui-forms-devel > >opengroupware-webui-job > >opengroupware-webui-libs > >opengroupware-webui-libs-devel > >opengroupware-webui-mailer > >opengroupware-webui-news > >opengroupware-webui-prefs > >opengroupware-webui-project > >opengroupware-webui-resource-de > >opengroupware-webui-resource-en > >opengroupware-webui-scheduler > >opengroupware-xml > >opengroupware-xml-devel > >opengroupware-xml-icalsaxdriver > >opengroupware-xml-libxmlsaxdriver > > > > > >What is needed? > >What provides "opengroupware"? > > > > > >. > > urpmi OpenGroupware.org > I would be very interested in your results:-) > > Spence Ha ha ha!!!, urpmi is round-robin!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# urpmi OpenGroupware.org One of the following packages is needed: 1- opengroupware-sope-4.2-20030721.1mdk.i586 2- opengroupware-sope-devel-4.2-20030721.1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# urpmi OpenGroupware.org One of the following packages is needed: 1- opengroupware-logic-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 2- opengroupware-logic-devel-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# urpmi OpenGroupware.org One of the following packages is needed: 1- opengroupware-webui-libs-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 2- opengroupware-webui-libs-devel-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# (I pressed ctrl+brake instead of 1 or 2)
[Cooker] [Bug 5505] [evolution] Cannot switch to calendar, addressbook etc. after sync
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5505 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-05-10 14:57 --- all the problem still exists, don't know what to do now? -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: NEEDINFO creation_date: description: Hi Frederic, again me - now as the conduits work, the following problem is there: When I leave evo open while syncing and I try to switch to calendar or contacts etc. after sync is finished, evo freezes. Without syncing I can switch as I like. I have to run evo --force-shutdown and restart evo. NDEE
Re: [Cooker] opengroupware
söndagen den 5 oktober 2003 14.38 skrev Spencer: > Oden Eriksson wrote: > >Hi. > > > >I was about to try out "opengroupware", but this is quite confusing: > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] RPMS2]# urpmi opengroupware > >The following packages contain opengroupware: > >opengroupware-core > >opengroupware-core-devel > >opengroupware-core-tools > >opengroupware-database > >opengroupware-docapi > >opengroupware-docapi-devel > >opengroupware-env > >opengroupware-gstep-db > >opengroupware-gstep-db-devel > >opengroupware-gstep-db-postgresql72 > >opengroupware-gstep-make > >opengroupware-gstep-make-devel > >opengroupware-gstep-objc > >opengroupware-gstep-objc-devel > >opengroupware-js > >opengroupware-js-devel > >opengroupware-libfoundation > >opengroupware-libfoundation-devel > >opengroupware-libical > >opengroupware-libical-devel > >opengroupware-logic > >opengroupware-logic-devel > >opengroupware-sope > >opengroupware-sope-devel > >opengroupware-theme-default-de > >opengroupware-theme-default-en > >opengroupware-webui-admin > >opengroupware-webui-app > >opengroupware-webui-base > >opengroupware-webui-common > >opengroupware-webui-contact > >opengroupware-webui-forms > >opengroupware-webui-forms-devel > >opengroupware-webui-job > >opengroupware-webui-libs > >opengroupware-webui-libs-devel > >opengroupware-webui-mailer > >opengroupware-webui-news > >opengroupware-webui-prefs > >opengroupware-webui-project > >opengroupware-webui-resource-de > >opengroupware-webui-resource-en > >opengroupware-webui-scheduler > >opengroupware-xml > >opengroupware-xml-devel > >opengroupware-xml-icalsaxdriver > >opengroupware-xml-libxmlsaxdriver > > > > > >What is needed? > >What provides "opengroupware"? > > > > > >. > > urpmi OpenGroupware.org > I would be very interested in your results:-) > > Spence Aha, that was logic (not)... [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# urpmi OpenGroupware.org One of the following packages is needed: 1- opengroupware-webui-libs-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 2- opengroupware-webui-libs-devel-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) 1 One of the following packages is needed: 1- opengroupware-docapi-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 2- opengroupware-docapi-devel-1.0-20030721.1mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] samba]# Someone needs to fix this...
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
Jos Hulzink kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Sunnuntai 05 Lokakuu 2003 15:30): > > This is not a matter of depending on gaim, this is a matter of willing to > prevent reviews from writing "Mandrake 9.2 is no good, it comes with broken > software" > > Mandrake has a nice update feature during install, let's use it, instead of > defining what a bugfix is. What is better ? A few extra kB of updates, or a > broken distribution ? > The problem that arises here is "the bigger picture"... You say "a few extra kB..." But once you open the "bugfix/security updates" system to this, where does it end...?? People will start saying: "... but you updated that package ...", and "this package adds or modifies this or that feature that is needed... if we don't have it I consider it's broken... and we can't have a "broken" distrib..." so where do you draw the line...? and since all packages always gets updated with more features, or feature enchancements... today gaim, tomorrow OpenOffice.org final..., and then ... and suddenly the updates mirrors are not a few kB more... instead you will be calculating the updates in MBs, then in GBs So IMHO here comes the power of an Club membership..., join the club and you will most likely get the downloads there... and all are happy... (you get what you pay for... remember...) -- Regards Thomas
[Cooker] [Bug 5501] [gnome-pilot-conduits] Problem snycing with Palm(Sony Clie625)
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5501 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|FIXED | --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-05-10 14:47 --- correction - sorry, but the problem still exists, even after rebooting. Everything still the same also in bug 5501 Don't know, why the first time after installing the new pkgs it worked? Ndee -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: REOPENED creation_date: description: Hi, I am syncing my Clie with Evolution (1.4.4-7) with addressbook, todo, calendar. After syncing and saying "Reorganizing data" the palm report "HotSync problem - connection with desktop interrupted. Some data are not saved. I cannot see any data missing (yet), but it worries me. I only choose the evo-conduits currently to sync with. NDEE
[Cooker] Re: menus/menudrake
J.P. Pasnak posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:54:00 -0600: > > Has anyone else experienced problems with menus under Cooker? I recently > upgraded a box to Cooker, and the only things in the menu are 'Logout/Lock > Screen/Recent Documents/What to do?'. The 'What to do?' contains the > 'helpful' links to applications, but the normal Mandrake entries do not > show up (Applications/Multimedia/Networking/etc) > > Normally, if I run into this, a quick load of menudrake and a save resets > everything (or an 'update-menus'). This time, no luck.If I use > menudrake to switch to the 'standard' menu (or change > ~/.menu/enable_mdk_customization to ~/.menu/disable_mdk_customization), > the 'standard' menu appears, but I've found no way to get the Mandrake > menus back. > > Any tips/hints/suggestions/links welcome. There's a couple threads on this already. I haven't come across it, probably because I don't have the window manager in question installed, but several report it's an unparsable menu file. As root, from a console or console window, run update-menus -v (for verbose) to see where it chokes, and manually edit the file (as outlined in the menu docs) to correct the issue. As mentioned, it was reported to be related to one of the window managers, but IDR which one (not gnome/kde/icewm or I would have remembered and probably run into the problem myself). -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin
[Cooker] [Bug 6068] [drakxtools] localhost name not set
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6068 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-05-10 14:40 --- This is not a bug, but a bad design decision. The network wizard's most prominent name setting is for the zeroconf name, not the hostname. This issue has been discussed before on cooker, but the drakconnect maintainer refuses to discuss the design of drakconnect, and insists on only setting the zeroconf name (which should never be done) instead of the more logical hostname. This results in broken configurations for CUPS (which the CUPS maintainer has worked around), samba, apache (some redirects will point a client to localhost, which is only valid if they are running the browser on the server), postfix and a number of other network services. If you want to set your hostname with the wizard, you must run it in expert mode, and if you want to send your DHCP hostname (which is the default on Windows), you then need to fill the same hostname in in 3 places in the wizard (which is very counter-intuitive). I think there are already bugs addressing this, but it's too slow searching over a dialup connection ... -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: UNCONFIRMED creation_date: description: When using the network wizard, it asks for the computer name but does not put it in the "computer name" box in the drakconnect interface.
Re: [Cooker] opengroupware
Oden Eriksson wrote: Hi. I was about to try out "opengroupware", but this is quite confusing: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RPMS2]# urpmi opengroupware The following packages contain opengroupware: opengroupware-core opengroupware-core-devel opengroupware-core-tools opengroupware-database opengroupware-docapi opengroupware-docapi-devel opengroupware-env opengroupware-gstep-db opengroupware-gstep-db-devel opengroupware-gstep-db-postgresql72 opengroupware-gstep-make opengroupware-gstep-make-devel opengroupware-gstep-objc opengroupware-gstep-objc-devel opengroupware-js opengroupware-js-devel opengroupware-libfoundation opengroupware-libfoundation-devel opengroupware-libical opengroupware-libical-devel opengroupware-logic opengroupware-logic-devel opengroupware-sope opengroupware-sope-devel opengroupware-theme-default-de opengroupware-theme-default-en opengroupware-webui-admin opengroupware-webui-app opengroupware-webui-base opengroupware-webui-common opengroupware-webui-contact opengroupware-webui-forms opengroupware-webui-forms-devel opengroupware-webui-job opengroupware-webui-libs opengroupware-webui-libs-devel opengroupware-webui-mailer opengroupware-webui-news opengroupware-webui-prefs opengroupware-webui-project opengroupware-webui-resource-de opengroupware-webui-resource-en opengroupware-webui-scheduler opengroupware-xml opengroupware-xml-devel opengroupware-xml-icalsaxdriver opengroupware-xml-libxmlsaxdriver What is needed? What provides "opengroupware"? . urpmi OpenGroupware.org I would be very interested in your results:-) Spence
[Cooker] [Bug 5889] [samba-client] During upgrade from 9.1 to 9.2RC2, alternative names aren't updated
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5889 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|RESOLVED Resolution||WONTFIX --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-05-10 14:35 --- It seems it is impossible to fix this for upgrades, since when update-alternatives is run, the old binaries (ie /usr/bin/smbclient) still exist, and update-alternatives won't overwrite them with a link. I don't feel comfortable removing the files in %pre, so we will address this issue (which AFAIK will only affect upgrades) with an errata, as proposed on the Wiki. -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: I was upgrading from Mandrake 9.1 to 9.2RC2 using the CD install method, and afterwords, all samba client references had 2 at the end (e.g. smbclient2, and no smbclient).
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 14:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > That was also my idea, but ok. IMHO "Gaim will someday post a 9.2 > > version of .70" is so very not te way to deal with this. > > Well, I am sure there will be a package in MandrakeClub, and probably very > soon on the free MandrakeClub mirrors, which are quite easy to install > from. Once you have found the manual how to do that, indeed. > > I think users > > really should be able to upgrade during the install procedure. > > Upgrades aren't provided for stable releases. Security and bugfix updates > are. If this *really* qualifies as a bugfix release, then it will be > tested a bit in cooker, and then put up on the mirrors. > > But consider samba3 for a moment. You can't print to a Windows2003 server, > or connect to it with smbclient with samba-2.2.x. We have had samba3 > packaged in contrib since before 9.1 was released, and we(I) have done a > lot of testing of samba3, and 3.0.0 final was released 2 weeks ago. One big difference: MSN and Yahoo used to work in Gaim, they don't work anymore in 0.68. Yes, it is due to a protocol update, so it is not a bug of Gaim, just a lacking feature. But Gaim pretends that it can connect to Yahoo or MSN, so this is a bug in the eyes of any normal user. When I read your samba 2.2 manual, I (assume I) can't find a section "how to print on a Win 2k3 server", for Samba doesn't know Win 2k3 servers. > But it stays in contrib, since it was too late for the release schedule > (we were already in version freeze). > > So, users in networks with Windows2003 servers need to install > samba3-client from contrib, which will at least allow them to print and > connect with smbclient (they must use mount.cifs which is in main to mount > network shares) with minimal effort (by using alternatives). > > Those of you who depend on gaim could have made similar arrangements ... This is not a matter of depending on gaim, this is a matter of willing to prevent reviews from writing "Mandrake 9.2 is no good, it comes with broken software" Mandrake has a nice update feature during install, let's use it, instead of defining what a bugfix is. What is better ? A few extra kB of updates, or a broken distribution ? Jos
[Cooker] [Bug 6071] [samba-client] cupsaddsmb does not find the "new" samba files
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6071 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED Resolution||DUPLICATE --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-05-10 14:26 --- Please also see the proposed errata page (since I don't think it is possible to fix this). AFAIK, this only happens on an upgrade, please note if you got this problem on a clean install (my tests on clean installs could not reproduce the problem ). http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/Mandrake92 BTW, this change (use of alternatives) is so the users with a Windows2003 server (which cannot be accessed by the clients in samba-client-2.2.x) have transparent use of samba3. *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 5889 *** -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: Cups should be compiled with the new samba2 structure, because cupsaddsmb looks for smblcient, whereas the new smbclient ist called smbclient2 and so does not install the printers. A symbolic link to smbclient2 does not help. ndee
[Cooker] [Bug 5889] [samba-client] During upgrade from 9.1 to 9.2RC2, alternative names aren't updated
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5889 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added CC||[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-05-10 14:26 --- *** Bug 6071 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: ASSIGNED creation_date: description: I was upgrading from Mandrake 9.1 to 9.2RC2 using the CD install method, and afterwords, all samba client references had 2 at the end (e.g. smbclient2, and no smbclient).
[Cooker] [Bug 5889] [samba-client] During upgrade from 9.1 to 9.2RC2, alternative names aren't updated
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5889 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added CC||[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-05-10 14:25 --- *** Bug 6075 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: ASSIGNED creation_date: description: I was upgrading from Mandrake 9.1 to 9.2RC2 using the CD install method, and afterwords, all samba client references had 2 at the end (e.g. smbclient2, and no smbclient).
[Cooker] [Bug 6075] [samba-client] Name of files included breaks Mandrake Control Center and default LinNeighborhood
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6075 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED Resolution||DUPLICATE --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-05-10 14:25 --- Please also see the proposed errata page (since I don't think it is possible to fix this). AFAIK, this only happens on an upgrade, please note if you got this problem on a clean install (my tests on clean installs could not reproduce the problem ). http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/Mandrake92 *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 5889 *** -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: In trying to get a windows network working with 9.2 RC2, I found that the samba client tools have the '2' added to the base of them. In LinNeighborhood, this breaks the default behavior. Fortunately I can set the programs. In Mandrake Control Center, the Samba mount points module is broken (See Bug 6074) and I think it's because the tools have been renamed with the '2' and thus the configuration tool thinks samba-client isn't installed.
[Cooker] [Bug 5505] [evolution] Cannot switch to calendar, addressbook etc. after sync
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5505 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-05-10 14:24 --- when I did sync now the first time after booting with the new pkgs from bug 5505, everything went well. When syncing again, the problem from 5505 appeared again and switching from inbox to contact made my whole X freeze. Luckily I could do CTRL-ALT-F1 to kill evo and gpilot procs. Problem happens again after restarting evo - maybe any process still running, which doesn't like this? ndee -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: NEEDINFO creation_date: description: Hi Frederic, again me - now as the conduits work, the following problem is there: When I leave evo open while syncing and I try to switch to calendar or contacts etc. after sync is finished, evo freezes. Without syncing I can switch as I like. I have to run evo --force-shutdown and restart evo. NDEE
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
> On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 00:57, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 19:09, Austin wrote: >> > On 10/04/2003 05:23:35 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > > 9.2 is finalised and gone to duplication. It's way too late. You >> have to learn to let go, man. :D >> > >> > True, but I think the question was: can it be provided in the online >> updates >> >> That's not how I read the post I replied to. It seemed to want 0.70 in >> 9.2 proper. > > That was also my idea, but ok. IMHO "Gaim will someday post a 9.2 > version of .70" is so very not te way to deal with this. Well, I am sure there will be a package in MandrakeClub, and probably very soon on the free MandrakeClub mirrors, which are quite easy to install from. > I think users > really should be able to upgrade during the install procedure. Upgrades aren't provided for stable releases. Security and bugfix updates are. If this *really* qualifies as a bugfix release, then it will be tested a bit in cooker, and then put up on the mirrors. But consider samba3 for a moment. You can't print to a Windows2003 server, or connect to it with smbclient with samba-2.2.x. We have had samba3 packaged in contrib since before 9.1 was released, and we(I) have done a lot of testing of samba3, and 3.0.0 final was released 2 weeks ago. But it stays in contrib, since it was too late for the release schedule (we were already in version freeze). So, users in networks with Windows2003 servers need to install samba3-client from contrib, which will at least allow them to print and connect with smbclient (they must use mount.cifs which is in main to mount network shares) with minimal effort (by using alternatives). Those of you who depend on gaim could have made similar arrangements ... > Making > your way trough sourceforge to find the correct update is not done for > newbies that try Mandrake as Redmond OS replacement, and Mandrake > attracts a lot of those. Sure, but it's just way too late for the 9.2 release itself, and a package does at least need some testing (what if a vulnerability has been introduced in the hasty implementation?), and most likely won't be available for 9.2 until at least a few days after cooker reopens. There is nothing that can be done now besides testing packages and/or convincing the maintainer that this is worthy of a bugfix update (ie file a bug). Regards, Buchan * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
[Cooker] opengroupware
Hi. I was about to try out "opengroupware", but this is quite confusing: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RPMS2]# urpmi opengroupware The following packages contain opengroupware: opengroupware-core opengroupware-core-devel opengroupware-core-tools opengroupware-database opengroupware-docapi opengroupware-docapi-devel opengroupware-env opengroupware-gstep-db opengroupware-gstep-db-devel opengroupware-gstep-db-postgresql72 opengroupware-gstep-make opengroupware-gstep-make-devel opengroupware-gstep-objc opengroupware-gstep-objc-devel opengroupware-js opengroupware-js-devel opengroupware-libfoundation opengroupware-libfoundation-devel opengroupware-libical opengroupware-libical-devel opengroupware-logic opengroupware-logic-devel opengroupware-sope opengroupware-sope-devel opengroupware-theme-default-de opengroupware-theme-default-en opengroupware-webui-admin opengroupware-webui-app opengroupware-webui-base opengroupware-webui-common opengroupware-webui-contact opengroupware-webui-forms opengroupware-webui-forms-devel opengroupware-webui-job opengroupware-webui-libs opengroupware-webui-libs-devel opengroupware-webui-mailer opengroupware-webui-news opengroupware-webui-prefs opengroupware-webui-project opengroupware-webui-resource-de opengroupware-webui-resource-en opengroupware-webui-scheduler opengroupware-xml opengroupware-xml-devel opengroupware-xml-icalsaxdriver opengroupware-xml-libxmlsaxdriver What is needed? What provides "opengroupware"?
[Cooker] [Bug 5501] [gnome-pilot-conduits] Problem snycing with Palm(Sony Clie625)
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5501 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-05-10 14:07 --- fix confirmed - thanks, even bug no: 5505 seems to be fixed -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: RESOLVED creation_date: description: Hi, I am syncing my Clie with Evolution (1.4.4-7) with addressbook, todo, calendar. After syncing and saying "Reorganizing data" the palm report "HotSync problem - connection with desktop interrupted. Some data are not saved. I cannot see any data missing (yet), but it worries me. I only choose the evo-conduits currently to sync with. NDEE
Re: [Cooker] Bootsplash dependencies
> With previous releases of Mandrake, I've always deselected the > bootsplash package during install. > > With 9.2 RC2, that's impossible, as bootsplash is required by a long > list of packages, including icewm, galeon, gedit and evolution. Actually, bootsplash is only required by mandrake_theme, which is required by mandrake_desk. > > Is the bootsplash requirement really necessary? For mandrake_theme to work, yes. But, the idea was that there could be more then one package providing mandrake_theme. > (In other words, is it safe to do a "rpm -e --nodeps botsplash" after > the install?) Yes, but otherwise you may prefer to look at some of the other themes in the bootsplash-themes package in contrib, or just add something like 'splash=0' to your bootloaders append line. Regards, Buchan * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
[Cooker] test
[Cooker] [Bug 5859] [initscripts] Improve startup speed (solution in this report)
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5859 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-05-10 12:39 --- For me network start takes REALY long when not connected to then net: eth0 1 minute 20 seconds (8139too) eth1 1 minute 40 seconds (wlan orinoco) This is with default setup from Drak on Fujitsu E7010 (P4 notebook). -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. --- Reminder: --- assigned_to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] status: NEW creation_date: description: I've tested and it's working for me ! It takes me less than an hour to configure it ... It would be great if the init script could be replace by this one... All informations are on this page : http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-boot.html
[Cooker] [Bug 6078] [kernel] New: 2.4.22-10mdk breaks BIOS hotkeys on Dell laptop
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6078 Product: kernel Component: kernel Summary: 2.4.22-10mdk breaks BIOS hotkeys on Dell laptop Product: kernel Version: 2.4.22-10mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P2 Component: kernel AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the Dell Inspiron 4150, the Fn-F1 (Setup) and Fn-F3 (Battery status) key combinations blank the screen and freeze the system (not even SysRq works). These keys used to work on 2.4.21. I verified that this is the case also with kernel parameters "single acpi=off apm=off noapic". -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
[Cooker] [Bug 6077] [kernel] New: Closing laptop lid freezes kernel (BIOS pm disabled)
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6077 Product: kernel Component: kernel Summary: Closing laptop lid freezes kernel (BIOS pm disabled) Product: kernel Version: 2.4.22-10mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P2 Component: kernel AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] As noted in bug #5356 there are problems with ACPI on laptops, but also with APM. I tried to isolate the problem on my Dell Inspiron 4150. It seems the problem is not in ACPI or APM at least in my case. I've used APM successfully with 2.4.21, so I first tried 2.4.22-10mdk acpi=off apm=on. Closing the lid freezes the system (even SysRq is dead). But doing a manual pmsuspend2 or apm --suspend works just fine. I proceeded to test without ACPI, APM and BIOS power management support. Here's a description of my testing procedure: - disabled all power management in the BIOS (version A05) - disabled SpeedStep - set Display Close to "Active" (shouldn't suspend when lid closed) - disabled the acpid and apmd services - tested 2.4.21 and 2.4.22 with acpi=off apm=off, booting to console without X Results when closing and re-opening the lid: 2.4.21: as expected, no effect; system is still functional 2.4.22: system freezes, console display still visible, cursor blinks, keyboard and mouse dead, even SysRq doesn't work I also tried the noapic option suggested in another bug report, but it didn't affect the results. -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
[Cooker] [Bug 6076] [mozilla] New: submit button don't work
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6076 Product: mozilla Component: program Summary: submit button don't work Product: mozilla Version: 1.4-13mdk Platform: PC URL: http://www.google.com OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: blocker Priority: P5 Component: program AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Submit buton triger no action when presed. Mozilla instaled normally(with all mandrake on the begining) but when first started, it displayed profile manager with my login name. I can't edit nor start mozilla from profile manager only can add Default profile, what I did and since than mozilla is working properely, dispide forms as described above. -- Configure bugmail: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 00:19, Vincent Meyer, MD wrote: > > Doesn't the installer offer to go grab the last-minute updates? Might make > sense to make sure one of the first things in there is gaim 0.70. I got nothing more to say :) Jos
Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...
On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 00:57, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 19:09, Austin wrote: > > On 10/04/2003 05:23:35 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > 9.2 is finalised and gone to duplication. It's way too late. You have > > > to learn to let go, man. :D > > > > True, but I think the question was: can it be provided in the online > > updates > > That's not how I read the post I replied to. It seemed to want 0.70 in > 9.2 proper. That was also my idea, but ok. IMHO "Gaim will someday post a 9.2 version of .70" is so very not te way to deal with this. I think users really should be able to upgrade during the install procedure. Making your way trough sourceforge to find the correct update is not done for newbies that try Mandrake as Redmond OS replacement, and Mandrake attracts a lot of those. Jos
