[CTRL] Michael: Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-05 Thread Edward Britton

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Michael:

>Laissez faire does not mean: Let soulless mechanical forces operate.
>It means: Let each individual choose how he wants to cooperate in
>the social division of labor; let the consumers determine what the
>entrepreneurs should produce.  Planning means: Let the government
>alone choose and enforce its rulings by the apparatus of coercison
>and compulsion.  -- Ludgwig von Mises

I like this one, but I must confess that the "grass roots" element of
believers in Laissez faire have their work cut out for them when it comes
to convincing an American public in great and largely reasonable fear of
"soulless mechanical forces." Consider that, from Joe and Jane Public's
point of view, the major proponents of such economic freedom are the
captains of industry and the governmental lackies of captains of industry.
Why support a system of economics which appears to favor the elite alone?

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[CTRL] Alien Bases on the Moon

1999-05-05 Thread Bruce Fleming

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Here is a pic of a cigar-shaped UFO taken by Apollo on the moon:

http://www.angelfire.com/co2/4research/images/mooncigarufo.jpg

Here is a pic of a possible entrance to the moon underground hangars:

http://www.angelfire.com/co2/4research/images/moonhangar1.jpg

(I wonder if the cigar shaped UFO enters and exits thru one of those
crater tunnels)

Here are more pics of possible entrances to the moon underground bases:

http://www.angelfire.com/co2/4research/images/moonhangar2.jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/co2/4research/images/moonhangar3.jpg

Here one can see a dome base on the center of a crater. It seems
craters can function both as entrance tunnels to the underground
base and as a surface base of operations:

http://www.angelfire.com/co2/4research/images/mooncraterdome.jpg

Here's what the author of the book Fred Steckling saw with his son
on one of the craters. It was 3 cigar shapes UFOs parking inside.
Hours later it flew away and it really blow their mind away that's why
he wrote the book "Alien Bases on the Moon" after examining
hundreds of NASA Apollo pictures. There are 125 NASA pictures in
his book. To people who'd like to see more incredible pictures. There
are much more in the book (I won't post them anymore in fairness to
him and his effort). Also to those who own the latest edition
lemme know if private as I'd like to know what new pictures are
added. I got the 1990 Edition (2nd hand):

http://www.angelfire.com/co2/4research/images/mooncigarcrater.jpg

Well. These many pics in the book renewed my interests
in possible alien bases on the moon. I was turned off by this when
I heard how Richard Hoagland could be hoaxing a lot of alleged
structures on the moon... but this one is not related to Hoagland
but from official NASA pictures. I guess I'll have to train my 8 inches
diameter telescope on the moon one of these nights and observe
any activies there (btw.. there are so many people including astronomers
who saw stuff in the moon that shouldn't be there. Have you seen one
yourself?).

Bruce

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[CTRL] Fwd: DN - The Onassis Illuminati Family (http://x9.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan





The Onassis Illuminati Family
Author:   Born Again <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:   1999/03/23
Forum:   alt.illuminati




THE ONASSIS FAMILY-A CONTINUATION OF ARTICLES ON THE TOP 13 ILLUMINATI
FAMILIES.

Understanding the forces that are shaping our lives, on the one hand is
Jesus who aches to save us, and on the other side is Satan who laughs at how
he continues to put deceptions over on us. God has made provision for us.
God has offered us the understanding and wisdom of what is going on- We do
not have to remained confused as to how world events are happening or what
they are planning to do. The Bible says the wise shall understand. This
series of articles is offered to help people understand the real movers and
shakers of the world, the men and families who control politicians and
preachers like puppets.

CAST OF MAIN CHARACTERS
Aristotle Socrates Onassis -- named after two greek philosophers, went from
being totally broke at age 21 to being a millionaire at age 23. His father’s
first name was Socrates. Aristotle was an Illuminati king, a shipping
tycoon, an intelligent ruthless hard-driving man, a man of the world who
spoke a number of languages such as French, Spanish, English, Italian, and
Turkish. He married JFK’s widow. His everpresent sunglasses made him look
like Al Capone to a number of people.

Jackie Bouvier Kennedy Onassis-Her father was a member of the Society of the
Cincinnati, the American equivalent to the Order of the Garter. Her father
 Black Jack” was corrupt, what is known as a womanizer. He worked at making
a living from the stock market. Jackie’s “step-father” was the Auchincloss
family, an elite family. Her step-father’s second wife before Jackie’s
mother was Senator Thomas Gore’s daughter. Her step-father was in Naval
Intelligence. Jackie went to the schools that the children of the elite go
to. On the anniversary of JFK’s assassination, Orville & Jane Freeman were
the only ones to remember the date to say or do something about it. Jackie
went that day to Central Park and had a good cry.

Stavros Niarchos-Aristotle’s brother-in-law and Ari’s business competition.
Stavros’ parents came from Sparta, Greece. His relatives were rich. Stavros
went into shipping and after W.W. II broke out, left Greece to avoid having
to fight for Greece. He was a close friend of Colgate, Roosevelt and Bernard
Baruch, who he would invite to his house on Long Island. He rented his Long
island house from Harry Hopkins who was the man who told Pres. F.D.
Roosevelt what to do. Even though he was a millionaire, he had a difficult
time avoiding have to serve. Eventually, he managed to get himself situated
as a naval officer in intelligence for Greece in Alexandria, Egypt.
Information sent into the ’69-70 Who’s Who reference book about his war time
exploits are ficticious. Niarchos and Aristotle were friends from 1934
onward, but also at times enemies trying to outdo each other. Both
frequently went to St. Moritz, Swit., a ski resort. Stavros also frequents
an old Medici family Palace/estate near Turin where the Duke of Edinburgh
and Baron Elie de Rothschild like to go and shoot birds. The estate has many
and it isn’t unusual for them to kill a thousand a day. Stavros is an
important leader of the Bilderbergers and a billionaire. He married Henry
Ford II’s daughter who was 38 years younger than he was, and divorced her
shortly afterwards. He worked closely with David Rockefeller.

IS THE ONASSIS BLOODLINE STILL POWERFUL?
Aristotle Onassis died in 1975. His son and heir to his throne died in 1973.
My inside information about the Onassis family being one of the top 13 goes
back to the 1960s and 70’s. Is the family stili powerful? One big clue that
they still wield power within the Illuminati is that Stavros Niarchos,
Aristotle’s brother-in-law, is a powerful Bilderberger. The executive
committee of the Bilderbergers are the equivalent to 9° of the branch
Illuminati. Is the Onassis family still one of the top 13 Satanic
bloodlines? I do not know. The answer lies in doing genealogical work to
find out what the core satanic bloodline is that curses through the Onassis
family.
One whistle-blower on the Illuminati was Dennis Brunnelle, a Grand Master of
an OTO lodge, who became disillusioned with the OTO’s Illuminati program.
Some of his information touches on the Onassis family. My understanding of
the Onassis family is limited in terms of their Satanic activities with the
Illuminati, but I will attempt to give my readers a better understanding. My
inside knowledge of the occult side-that is the secret satanic ritual
activities of the family is sparse, because my informants have very limited
knowledge of the Onassis participation. However, there are certainly plenty
of tracks in the sand which indicate who the business friends of this family
have been, and they have been very clearly those within the Illuminati or
with connections to i

[CTRL] MKULTRA MOVES to HOLLYWOOD!??

1999-05-05 Thread Lloyd Miller

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Subject: Re: MK ULtra (fwd)

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>Date: Wed, May 5, 1999, 7:54 AM
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M.H.---
I think this response is worthy of your consideration.
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Pat,

Re Hoffman's reply on MK Ultra.

Hoffman probably glossed over my writing and reacted adversarially.
>
>To avoid an EITHER/OR argument, Hoffman is right, "Matrix" is programming,
>HOWEVER, much art is and has always been programming, full of unthinkable
>subtlties.  For instance the theater/art/music of the latter 19th century
>clearly led Western Civilization's men into The Great Wars (WWI and WWII).
>Matrix is 20th century Wagner, the music is contemporary and skillful.
>Matrix is a contemporary military techno-opera with Christ-like heroes.
The
>cool but violent Christ-hero is referred to as "The One", or questioned,
"Is
>he The One?"
>
   ---SNIP--

Ed Hardy

HOFFMAN REPLIES:

Not adversarial, just exceedingly fatigued by right wing sloppy thinking,
right wing hoaxes and obsolete paradigms under disguise of expert
projections. I don't intentionally step on toes, but I'm attempting to get
us into the Victory Mode and to do that some harsh lessons will--alas--have
to be imparted.

No, I'm sorry, once again, the gentleman is simply not up to speed on this
topic. He hasn't read my book, "Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare."
He's operating in the old paradigm framework. It's easy to see; there's
really nothing to argue on that point.

"The Matrix" movie is not a continuation of any genre of previous "art
form", Wagnerian or otherwise. Matrix would not have been possible without
the alchemical processing, breakdown and decay which has created the
Cronenberg Videodrome world. This  was foretold by Huxley, Heinlein, and on
an even more prescient level by Arthur C. Clarke in his book, "Childhood's
End."

No teenage boy of normal or better intelligence who has been raised in the
computer/video culture, left or right, Christian conservative or atheist,
can view the movie "The Matrix" and not come away programmed. The movie is
not for adults. The target audience is kids.

The programming begins subliminally and works its way up from that point.
Matrix is beyond BF Skinner, beyond Freud.

The Matrix target audience becomes percipient and transmitter. Having been
through "The Matrix" they will heighten their awareness of and response to
the "twilight language" embedded subliminally and in many cases exoterically
in modern western society. This means their shepherding and attunement is at
a much greater level than that of the general populace.

As I have said earlier, The Matrix is MKUltra in celluloid. What is MKUltra?
In a specific sense it is the old CIA mind control for assassins, but in the
broad sense it is the inculcation of a spirit  heretofore largely seen only
among those  formerly termed demon-possessed; or, in non-religious
terminology what Poe, America's great detective and cryptologist termed "The
Spirit of Perversity," which he identified with uncontrollable homicidal
impulsion.

I wish I could say more but I am very busy. Talk-show host Michael Corbin
will discuss many of these issues with me this Sunday on his satellite radio
program (for details see http://www.hoffman-info.com/news.html). Beyond
that, there is no substitute for serving one's apprenticeship in my book.  I
lack the time to replicate my book in correspondence. I don't mind
discussing these issues briefly with those who have read my book, but for
those who can't be bothered, what's the point? I leave them to their sense
that they know "It" already, without me and my work; which is certainly
their prerogative.

Sincerely,
Michael A. Hoffman II
Copyright©1999

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[CTRL] Fwd: [FSNW-L] NATO betrays Kosovans?

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan






Thursday 06 May 1999 London-UK [k24/699]

From: Parveez Syed
Shanti Communications, Global Media Monitoring Unit
One Stuart Road, Thornton Heath, Surrey CR7 8RA1 UK
Telephone: London-UK 44-831-196693
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Copyright 1998 (c) Shanti Communications news agency. All rights
reserved. The following feature may not be republished or
redistributed, in whole or in part. Copying, storing, transfer,
redistribution, retransmission, publication and exploitation of
this information is hereby expressly forbidden without the prior
written consent of Shanti Communications UK. Section 326 of the
USA-FCC Communications Act; Title 17 USC Section 107; Article 19
of Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the First Amendment
US rights apply to all material, contents and ideas published and
broadcasted by Shanti Communications and Shanti RTV news agency.

NATO betrays Kosovans? (Editorial)
by Parveez Syed (c) Shanti RTV

LONDON-UK (SC/SRTV) - NATO is set to betray Kosovo to appease
Serbian Christian despot Slobodan Milosevic; help improve US VP
Al Gore's election odds and help Russian dictator Boris Yeltsin,
according to sources close to the US and European war alliance.

Is anyone surprised by this lousy, sorry performance? Was it
worth the mass human misery and destruction? What was the plan?
What are the real NATO objectives? What was the covert agenda
behind the proposed new UN resolution on the Balkans? Now there
is a race to find suitable words to subvert the UN-SC, again.

According to Milosevic the American leadership was too cowardly
to scare the Serbs. "There is no clear, legal UN mandate for the
NATO's actions in the Balkans. So, NATO is now on the brink on
total humiliation. The US and European politicians and soldiers
can only take on starving, armless slaves who won't hit back
cowardly parasites," a source close to Milosevic told Shanti RTV
news agency.

"The outgoing US president Bill Clinton and draft dodger has no
intention to take the Democrats into next year's presidential
election mired in a messy endless ground war in the Balkans, even
if US Congress allows him. Besides the ethnic cleansing of
Kosovo is almost complete, and now irreversible," a Western
intelligence source told Shanti RTV news agency. "No serious
steps are being taken to organise and prepare the huge
quantities of material and temporary housing needed to enable
the Kosovans to return to their homeland, even if the Serbs are
driven out. The super power and NATO alliance led by Clinton is
now looking for a face saving way out of the Balkans. He is now
facing another humiliation," the intelligence source explained.

The US War Powers Act requires the US presidents to seek US
Congressional approval for deployment of US forces outside the
US within sixty days. In this case before Tuesday 25 May 1999.

Despite repeated assurances that everything is going to the plan
and on schedule, British prime minister Tony Blair lacks the
power and means to change NATO policy. Blair, who is often
refered by his political opponents as 'the total control freak',
can not reverse the ethnic cleansing. So, he ordered his Home
Secretary Jack Straw to take a token number of refugees. This
reflects Her Majesty's Government's concerns, convictions and
commitment. Blair's opponents in the official Her Majesty's
Opposition want a smaller token gesture, and Tory MP Norman
Fowler is almost ready to play the race and religious cards.

Blair has been praised by the secretary-general Muslim Council of
Britain (MCB), Iqbal Sacranie, at a reception in London on
Wednesday (05 May 1999) for his "courageous, moral and
humanitarian stand on Kosovo" and for "bold initiative he has
taken in support of the beleaguered people of Kosovo in their
darkest hour". Sacranie said: "we hope that such stand is going
to inform other areas of our foreign policy; for example,
Palestine, Kashmir and the continuing suffering of the civilians
in Iraq".

Re-assuring 250 MCB delegates at the reception, Blair - who was
in the Balkans on Monday (03 May 1999) - said: "I was on the
border where the refugees were arriving. It was one of the most
disturbing, shocking few hours of my life. They are the Muslim
victims of a terrible crime - a crime that has haunted the 20th
century - ethnic cleansing. They are the reasons for our military
action. Each one of the stories I heard from those refugees
stiffened my resolve to continue until we have created a safe
future for them. Ours is a battle to protect and strengthen the
values and freedoms we hold most dear". He told the delegates
that "we will not stop, we will not rest until the refugees are
able to return safely to their homes, protected by an
international military force".

So, how is it most likely to play out when Clinton or the US
Congress pulls the carpet? Well for start any US-Russian
brokered deal will leave the Serbs with power and authority to
create Greater Serbia. Genocide and ethnic cleansing will be
legiti

[CTRL] Fw: DRUDGE-REPORT 5/05/99

1999-05-05 Thread CobolMage

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X DRUDGE REPORT X WEDNESDAY, MAY 05, 1999 23:05:22 UTC X


GORE AIDE INTIMIDATED INTERNET EXECS

**Exclusive**

The DRUDGE REPORT has learned that pressure was put on digital types to
back "Gore's" new post-Colorado shooting internet initiative.  During a
conference call with DISNEYABCAOLYAHOO on Tuesday, a senior Gore staffer
threatened retaliation to those who would not come aboard, it has been
learned.

["The vice president has a long memory."]

And sources tell how the new "one click" project was initiated by the
internet industry, with the encouragement of the bipartisan Internet
Caucus, in mid-1997.  It was NOT an Administration initiative and that
there was NO participation whatsoever by Al Gore.  The ego has landed.

Meanwhile, John Sharp, one of the most prominent Democrats in the country
and a longtime associate of Vice President Al Gore, has decided to back
Bradley for the Democratic presidential nomination, breaks Broder in
Thursday runs.

Sharp was a senior adviser to Gore's "reinventing government" plan, but he
is now reinventing.

"A lot of Democrats and independents fear he is tainted by the Clinton
administration," he explains.  "Bradley doesn't have those things hanging
on him."

  X X X X X



JANET RENO DEVELOPS AGENCY THAT WILL DEAL WITH Y2K CRISIS

Attorney General Janet Reno has quietly created a small agency within the
FBI that will deal with Y2K repercussions.

The agency, The National Domestic Preparedness Office, is now up and
running -- and preparing -- despite the fact it does not officially exist!
Congress has not yet approved its budget.

A mission statement from the NDPO:  "To coordinate all Federal efforts,
including those of the Department of Defense, Federal Emergency Management
Agency, Department of Health and Human Services, Department of Energy, and
the Environmental Protection Agency, to assist State and local first
responders with planning, training, equipment, and exercise necessary to
respond to a conventional or non-conventional weapon of mass destruction
incident."

But investigative legend Jack Anderson is set to report in his syndicated
column that the NDPO will be the federal authority for any national Y2K
repercussions.

Anders also reports:  Later this month, the Federal Emergency Management
Agency will hold a national "table top" simulated scenario drill -- similar
to the "war games" played out in the military.

The drill "will pull together all emergency and military resources. FEMA,
along with the National Guard, is responsible for coordinating state and
local responses to Y2K problems while the State Department will cover
international social problems," Anderson
reports.

The U.S. military is quietly planning a sophisticated social-response
network in case civil unrest should erupt.

Military types are denying a newspaper story that captured Marines in a
"civil unrest exercise" at Quantico.

"They told me what the exercise was about and then asked me not to report
it," says Dave Ellis of the POTOMAC NEWS.

The reporter filed a Page One story that ran with a photo apparently
showing the Marines in "Y2K riot training".

"[The Marines] were worried that people would think they were painting
helicopters black and training for a huge government crackdown at the
millennium," he explains.

  X X X X X


The FBI investigation into Chinese espionage of U.S. nuclear secrets now
involves 32 federal agents, according to agency sources, and is code-named
"Kindred Spirit"...

  X X X X X


NATO AND RUSSIA AGREE ON KOSOVO FORCE

NATO and Russia have will issue a joint statement Thursday on ending the
conflict in Kosovo.

A senior German official tells Thursday NY TIMES that an "outline accord"
had been reached with Russia on the need for "an international civil and
security presence" that would enter Kosovo under a UN mandate.

NBC NEWS, fresh from a one-on-one interview with President Clinton also
reported the development late Wednesday night.

[When asked if the president had given anchor Brokaw the goodie off camera,
one NBC NEWS executive in New York laughed.]

The WASHINGTON POST is rushing to report that the statement calls for an
"international body to run Kosovo... Russia would acknowledge that a
international military force is needed in Kosovo -- not the observer force,
armed only for self-protection, that Moscow and Belgrade alike have
insisted on in the past."


* * * * *

PAPER:  NATO MAY CALL IN 50,000 GROUND TROOPS

NATO may soon call in more than 50,000 ground troops to enforce any
settlement in Kosovo, the NEW YORK TIMES is reporting in Thursday editions.

Troops would be used to "quell scattered resistance from Serb paramilitary
groups, to detect and destroy hundreds, if not thousands, of land mines
laid by Yugoslav forces, and to help begin rebuilding devastated villages
in Kosovo."

The WALL STREET JOURNAL reported on Wednesday that NATO

[CTRL] AN ALTERNATIVE THEORY ON THE CAUSE OF B.S.E. - [Dioxins?]

1999-05-05 Thread 1lls0081

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/2836/index.html

Title: AN ALTERNATIVE THEORY ON THE CAUSE OF B.S.E.












AN ALTERNATIVE THEORY ON THE CAUSE OF B.S.E.

April 1998

To:
Lord Justice Phillips
PO Box 163
LONDON
SE99 2UZ


Submission to B.S.E. Inquiry

In 1992 myself and my family were diagnosed as suffering from Organophosphate sheep dip poisoning by blood tests carried out at Guys Hospital, London.

The fact that we all nearly died was seen as an irrelevance by Government departments.  There was no treatment offered, or indeed any acknowledgement of our predicament.  In simple terms, we were to be ignored to enable Government to cover its tracks - after all, they were responsible for licensing all veterinary products.  In the face of such stonewalling, I decided to make my own enquiries, and contacted the following establishments for information - I am extremely grateful for their help:

The World Health Organisation
The Environmental Protection Agency, Washington, USA
The University of New Jersey, USA
The Pesticide Trust
The Royal Society of Chemistry, London
The Hazards Society, London

plus many private individuals.   I am also extremely grateful to my lawyer for his support and advice.  He has copies of all the papers in my possession.

With the help of the Royal Society of Chemistry, I obtained scientific information on all the OP compounds used as sheep dips, ie Diazinon, Propetamphos, Chlorfenvinphos, Carbophenothion; and via a third party, went on to Crufomate, which he had used as a warble fly dressing.  I later explored all the OPs which had been used in the Gulf War.

What I began to find extremely worrying from this collection of information was that all OPs were cholinesterase inhibitors - the damage caused was cumulative, and research using laboratory animals showed that most were carcinogenic and also responsible for malformations in up to and including the third generation of offspring.

The destruction of the central nervous system, immune system and peripheral nervous system was also apparent with most OP compounds.

My next move was to collect as many published scientific papers as I thought were relevant.  Copies of the following are enclosed:

1.  Poisoning on the Farm by Dr Redhead, published in the Lancet in 1968.  This paper  explains the importance of the cholinesterase levels in man.  It should be borne in mind that OPs   were designed to attack the cholinesterase in insects, and will of course have the same effect on cattle.

2.  Effects of Chronic Organophosphate Pesticide Exposure on the Central NervousSystem by Richard J Korsak and Miles M Sato, published in 1977.  This paper is important   because it exposes the frontal lobe brain damage suffered by exposed victims.

3.  Environmental Trichlorfon and Cluster of Congenital Abnormalities by Andrew E  Czeizel et al, published in the Lancet in 1993.  This paper is devastating in  its content, and the fact that it has   been ignored in the UK is unbelievable.  The effect on the  foetus is beyond words.

There are many other papers in my possession, which are of course available to the Inquiry, but I hope to have painted an adequate picture of the effects of OP poisoning on the insect, human and animal species for the present.  I move on ...

As mentioned above, I received an enquiry about Crufomate.  The information on this compound, plus the sight of BSE-afflicted cattle on television, made me aware of the alarming similarities in both our situation and that of the cattle.  To put it bluntly, the human OP victims were going off their heads and off their legs!  The cattle were becoming more obvious than the shepherds (more than 900 shepherds have committed suicide since 1984).

Black's Veterinary Dictionary, 10th Edition (1973) provided quite a lot of answers where it describes the effect on cattle treated with Crufomate for warble fly.  The VMD deny knowledge of Crufomate (see letter attached) but the British Veterinary Association should still have the results of all the testing done on cattle before they gave their blessing to its usage.  I have persistently called for the testing of cholinesterase levels in cattle before and after treatment for warble fly.  This is unnecessary - it has been done, and the results should be made available to the Inquiry by the BVA as a matter of urgency.  The maternal transmission is explained in the following paper:

Reproduction and Growth of Progeny of Female Mice mated after treatment with Crufomate - author M A Khan - Research Station Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada; published in the Journal of Scientific Health in 1981.  It is interesting to observe that when the first damning scientific papers on a product are published, the chemical companies reac

[CTRL] Fwd: S99-67, Day 44, Update 1 (May 6; 0:30AM EDT) - A Special TiM GW Bulletin on NATO's War on Serbia

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan






FROM PHOENIX, ARIZONA

The Special Truth in Media Global Watch Bulletins on NATO's war on Serbia,
such as the one enclosed below, can also be accessed at our Web site:
www.truthinmedia.org which is being updated throughout the day.

NOTE FROM TiM EDITOR: Back in Phoenix, again, and starting to dig out from
a huge backlog of e-mails which have accumulated while we were traveling.
So please be patient with us, especially with regard to any requests for
e-mail address changes, removals or additions.  They are our first priority
in dealing with the e-mail avalanche. We'll get to all of them eventually,
but it will take us some time.  Thanks for your understanding.

Issue S99-67, Day 44, Update 1
---
May 6, 1999; 0:30AM EDT

HEADLINES

Macedonia 1. Two Charred Bodies of NATO Pilots Dangling from Trees

Florida   2. A U.S. Reservist: "I'd Lock and Load on First KLA
Terrorist"

Washington   3. KLA Linked to Heroin Trade, Osama bin Laden

Washington   4. U.S. Senate Kills McCain's Kosovo Ground Troops Bill

Phoenix 5. American POW to Serb Guards: "Thank You for Your
   Kindness and Respect"

Belgrade6. Serb Art Blossoms Under NATO's Bombs

Washington (state) 7. Thumbs Up for "Drop Clinton, Not Bombs" Sign
--

1. Two Charred Bodies of NATO Pilots Dangling from Trees

MACEDOINA, May 5 - So NATO's "lie and deny" news spinners are telling us we
have suffered there no casualties, save for the two American Apache
helicopter pilots who were killed today in Albania, allegedly only during
"training exercises?"

Oh, please... What sorts of morons do the NATO leaders take the rest of the
western public for?  You've already seen some first-hand reports from the
American officers, in the Balkans war theater, also TiM correspondents,
confirming death and injuries of the men under their command.

And you have seen photos of various NATO aircraft downed over Serbia
(besides the F-117A, the only Serb "kill" to which NATO confesses -
including those at the TiM Web site - see
http://www.truthinmedia.org/Kosovo/photos.html).

So can any sane, level-headed American buy the NATO line that they have
suffered no other losses, except for these two pilots "accidentally" killed
today, in 43 days of flying over hostile AAA fire?  Especially considering
that several U.S. Air Force F-16s from the Luke Air Force base in Arizona
alone crashed during the same time frame - for no other reason than
mechanical problems, we are told.

Now, if you are still prepared to believe in NATO's fairy tales, while
hundreds (by our estimates) of American and other servicemen have already
died in Clinton's needless war on Serbia, check out the following message
which we received from Macedonia:

"After a 15-minute air battle above the Vodna-Skopje area, in the vicinity
of Krusevo, the village of Ostrilci; and after a devastating explosion, the
villagers found two charred bodies of NATO pilots, still attached to their
parachutes, hanging from the trees.  The NATO 'clean-up' squad arrived soon
afterward and 'packaged' the pilots into body bags."

This above story was also carried by the Macedonian Makfaks news agency on
April 30.
---
TiM Ed.: Now, how many other American bodies, charred or dangling from
Balkan trees, have you failed to report to us, Mr. Draftdodger-President
and your partners in crime?  How many American families are you keeping in
the dark about the losses of their loved ones?  As many as the Russian
families whom Leonid Brezhnev had kept in the dark during the Soviet
intervention in Afghanistan?  Try hundreds, or more?
--

2. A U.S. Reservist: "I'd Lock and Load on First KLA Terrorist"

FLORIDA, May 3 - We received the following letter from a U.S. reservist in
Florida.  No editorial comment is necessary, we think:

"Thank you! I am in the USAR and I have many Serb American friends,
including a priest who taught me about God, and how to be a decent person.
I have read about the criminal, terrorist KLA.

If the USAR sends me over there to kill Serbs defending 'Old Serbia,' then
I will 'lock and load' on the first KLA terrorist I see.

There is nothing that the UCMJ or the U.S. Army can do to force me to
define any Yugoslavian defending his homeland as 'the enemy.'  The real
enemy is NATO and the KLA!"

Name withheld (but known to TiM).
---

3. KLA Linked to Heroin Trade, Osama bin Laden

WASHINGTON, May 4 - Speaking of the KLA, the Washington Times has been
reporting for two days in a row -  on May 3 and 4 - about the ties of the
KLA terrorists and the heroin drug trade which has been being used to
finance its activities in Kosovo.  With the support and acquiescence of the
Clinton administration, as it turns out.  And including KLA's ties to Osama
bin Laden, a notorious Saudi on whom Clinton has already wasted several
dozen U.S. cruise missiles (in Sudan and in Afghanistan), killing i

[CTRL] Government requires Websites to be handicapped accessible

1999-05-05 Thread Edward Britton

 -Caveat Lector-

If you've been wondering how the bastards in Washington were going to
silence dissent on the electronic town square, you now have the answer:
~~
INTERNET NEWS
Handicapped-accessible
websites?
New regulations may spread
to private online businesses




By Jon E. Dougherty
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

It's no joke. It's not a rumor. It's not another example of an online urban
legend. The government is really seeking to mandate that websites are
accessible to "the handicapped."
In what many see as a confusing breach of voluntary Internet etiquette and
a Pandora's Box into Big Brother online intrusion, the federal government
announced a new set of rules last week that will ultimately change the way
Americans see, use and build ... websites.

An obscure rule buried in the Workforce Investment Act of 1998 will soon
mandate that all government-operated websites be accessible to handicapped
persons, and critics of the measure fear that Sect. 508 of Public Law
105-220 will soon become mandatory for privately run websites as well.

In a few months, all government-run sites must comply with the new
regulations. By Aug. 7, 2000, any vendor who operates a Website and does
business with the federal government must also comply with the rules.

Specifically, the regulations state that "individuals with disabilities who
are members of the public seeking information or services from a federal
department or agency to have access to and use of information and data that
is comparable to the access to and use of the information and data by such
members of the public who are not individuals with disabilities." websites
"will be required to restructure their content, design and underlying
technologies," according to Freedom Forum, which recently completed a study
of the new rules.

Members of the Electronic and Information Technology Access Advisory
Committee said for non-governmental sites the rules would be "voluntary,"
but could be made mandatory if site operators refused to make the necessary
changes.

The government is expected to release a report next month spelling out the
requirements and defining the aspects of Internet publishing that will be
included in the changes.

"One preview of what the barrier board may publish next month," according
to Freedom Forum, "is contained in its own notices, which state that, in
addition to conventional html and pdf versions available online, all online
information must also be available from the agency via audio text and TTY,
as well as 'cassette tape, Braille, large print, or computer disk.'"

The standards were initially published in the Federal Register last August.

Most committee members helping devise the new standards were
representatives of people with disabilities. Those groups represented were
the American Council of the Blind, the American Foundation for the Blind,
Easter Seals, the National Association of the Deaf, the National Federation
of the Blind and United Cerebral Palsy Association. Three representatives
of the computer industry -- IBM, Microsoft and NCR -- were also on the
advisory committee.

Some of the most common changes recommended for websites include adding
technologies so blind Internet users can have a site's text translated into
audio or Braille, programs which boost text and graphics for visually
impaired users, and "switches that respond to minute movements, eye
positions or even mental states."

Joseph Farah, editor of WorldNetDaily and host of the Farah News Hour, said
he understands the concepts behind making the Internet more user-friendly
for impaired people. However he, like many content-heavy website
owner/operators, doesn't believe the federal government has any
constitutional authority to tell publishers -- online or offline -- how
they conduct their business.

"I'm sure the federal government would just love attempting to force
independent muckraking efforts on the Internet into channeling their
precious resources away from investigative reporting into government
corruption toward complying with bureaucratic regulations," he said. "I
assure you WorldNetDaily will be among the first to challenge such
heavy-handed government coercion in the courts by reminding Washington
that, in America, we have something called the First Amendment."

But not everyone disagrees with the government's plan.

Microsoft Corporation has been actively researching and developing
products, as well as holding public education conferences which will help
webmasters comply with the regulations mandated by the government.

"Websites must be made reasonably accessible to people with disabilities to
avoid discriminating against them," said Microsoft in a public statement
regarding their efforts to create a more accessible Internet.
"Accessibility often costs little extra if it is designed in from the
beginning."

One aspect that some 

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-05 Thread M.A. Johnson

 -Caveat Lector-

MJ:
   Every man has a property in his own person. This nobody has
   any right to but himself. The labor of his body and the work
   of his hands are properly his. -- John Locke, 1690

Das GOAT wrote:
I'm waiting for someone to claim that the "property" owned
by Capitalists is "theirs" by virtue of being "the work of
their own hands."

MJ:
Any 'person's' property is theirs whether by THEIR exchanges
or through the GIFTS of others.  I am not certain WHAT you
are attempting above, could you elaborate?


Das GOAT wrote:
Give me one example of Capital Assets --factories, industrial
machinery, etc-- that was not secured with BORROWED money and
paid off by profits from the work of OTHER PEOPLE's hands,
i.e., labor which the Capitalist didn't perform.

MJ:
Why should anyone be prohibited to 'dispose' or 'invest' their
earnings in whatever manner THEY desire?
Why should anyone be prohibited from entering a contract to provide
x for y?


Das GOAT wrote:
Can Capitalism exist without BANKS and the Stock Market?

MJ:
Yes.


Regard$,
--MJ

Laissez faire does not mean: Let soulless mechanical forces operate.
It means: Let each individual choose how he wants to cooperate in
the social division of labor; let the consumers determine what the
entrepreneurs should produce.  Planning means: Let the government
alone choose and enforce its rulings by the apparatus of coercison
and compulsion.  -- Ludgwig von Mises

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[CTRL] Fwd: DN - The Freeman Illuminati Family (http://x9.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan





The Freeman Illuminati Family
Author:   Born Again <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:   1999/03/23
Forum:   alt.illuminati



CONTINUATION OF THE SERIES  -  the FREEMAN FAMILY  -  one of the top 13
families

The amazing thing about this family is that it is not a family that people
would have thought of as being one of the top thirteen; however, for me as a
researcher of the elite and the Satanic hierarchy, the name pops up with
surprising frequency. For instance, Stephen M. Freeman runs the Legal
Affairs Dept. of the Civil Rights Division of the Anti-Defamation League
(which is a daughter of the B’nai B’rith). The ADL is a dangerous
organization controlled by the hierarchy. The illuminati drug money to fund
this organization. Another Freeman is Walter Freeman who introduced the
lobotomy into the U.S. with James W. Watts in 1936. The frontal lobotomy was
a brutal method of mind control, that has been permitted to be done to us,
under the disguise that it is of benefit to humanity. Then there was Simon
Freeman an important intelligence officer. And the list goes on of people
that are in key places with the Freeman name. But the most important
position of all which removes all doubt that the family is at the top is
that the late Grand Master of the Prieure de Sion was Gaylord Freeman.

Independent discoverers of The PRIEURE DE SION
What is the Prieure de Sion? Are we sure it exists? How does this relate to
the hierarchy? The Prieure de Sion (Priory of Zion) was unknown to the
general public until 1982 when a book co-authored by Michael Baigent,
Richard Leigh, and Henry Lincoln came out. The book was entitled Holy Blood,
Holy Grail and it offered historical proof that an organization called the
Prieure de Sion was powerful and had existed since the time of the early
crusades (1099 A.D.). In 1991, I came out a little more information on the
Prieure de Sion. The organization is so little known to even my readership,
that we need to stop and really examine the Prieure de Slon.
In trying to figure out the mysteries surrounding this organization,
Lincoln, Leigh and Baigent’s research led them to conclude that the holy
bloodline that the Prieure de Sion guarded was the bloodline of Jesus. This
immediately made all their research anathema (condemned and disliked) by the
most of Christendom. I watched to see if Christians would refute the
unbiblical parts of their research, but besides a couple of short articles
(Christian Century, 9/1-8/82, - “Raiders of the Lost Grail” and Christianity
Today, 9/3/82 - “Holy Blood, Holy Grail - holy mackerel”) in Christian
periodicals (in addition to this was a small book in England- The Holy Grail
Revealed) which simplistically claimed that the book was of no value because
obviously it was erroneous, no one even pretended to try to refute the book
(as far as I know except for that English book which did pretend but didn’t
refute anything.) The authors went on to write two more popular historical
exposes concerning the Prieure de Sion and Freemasonry (The Messianic Legacy
and The Temple and The Lodge). Actually to be fair to the Christians, if I
hadn’t already known from my research that much of the European information
in Holy Blood. Holy Grail was correct, the wild religious speculation about
Jesus in Part 3 may have caused me to doubt the book too. The first
Christian author to pick up on the Prieure de Sion was J.R. Church who wrote
Guardians of the Grail which built on Holy Blood. Holy Grail’s research in a
constructive way and put more pieces of the puzzle together. At last a book
was out that challenged some of the false ideas of Holy Blood, Holy Grail
without blindly throwing their excellent research. While the public at large
had never heard of the Prieure de Sion until Holy Blood. Holy Grail came
out, the organization was written about in high level military intelligence
briefings years before the book. Some of the men in high level intelligence
have become concerned with the direction this nation is going. It is through
such men that independent confirmation had leaked out even before the book.
The information did get to some researchers. I came out with my Be Wise As
Serpents book in 1991, which among other things covered the Prieure de Sion,
after I had concluded that the evidence verified its existence.
I approached the issue from my own angle of research. In researching the
Illuminati it became clear 1. that bloodlines were very important, 2. that
the people in high level Satanism believe they are descendents of the House
of David, 3. the Illuminati’s activities tied in in many ways to the Prieure
de Sion. One startling tie in was that the Freeman family was, according to
an informant, one of the top 13 Illuminati families. The ex-Illuminati
people I received information from were not familiar with Holy Blood, Holy
Grail nor Guardians of the Grail. Even if they had, which they definitely
hadn’

[CTRL] Fwd: DN - The Astor Illuminati Family (http://x9.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp?A

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan





The Astor Illuminati Family
Author:   Born Again <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:   1999/03/23
Forum:   alt.illuminati



THE ASTOR FAMILY

The original founder of the Astor fortune was John Jacob Astor (1763-1884).
John Jacob Astor was born in Walldorf, Duchy of Baden (Germany) from a
Jewish bloodline. The Jewish origins have been hidden, and quite a number of
various ideas of the Astor’s heritage have been put into circulation by the
Astors. John Jacob Astor was a butcher in Walldorf. In 1784, he came to
America after a stop over in London, England. Although the story is that he
came to America penniless--and that may be true--he soon joined the Masonic
Lodge, and within 2-3 years had become the Master of the Holland Lodge No. 8
in N.Y. City. (This Holland Lodge is a prominent lodge in that many of its
members have good connections to the Illuminati elite. An example of just
one Lodge #8 member is Archibald Russell, 1811 - 1871, whose father was
President of a real hotbed of Illuminati action for many years: The Royal
Society of Edinburgh). By 1788, Astor was a master of masonic lodge #8. This
is rather interesting considering Astor could not speak English when he
arrived in America, and supposedly was very poor. John Jacob Astor was
always very famous for being coldhearted, anti-social, “a man who didn’t
have charm, wit or grace.” (This quote comes even from a relative of the
DuPont family who wrote a sympathetic Biography entitled The Astor Family.)
If this man lacked social graces and was so cold, and was so poor during his
first years in the U.S., why did he rise to such prominence in Freemasonry?
Certainly not because of his social graces. For instance, one time later in
life at a meal given for elites, when his hands got dirty at the table he
reached over and used the shirt of the man beside him to wipe his hands. The
original financial break came by carrying out a series of shady and crooked
real estate deals in the N.Y. city area. The next break came when two men
who are now known to have been in the Illuminati gave John Jacob Astor a
special government privilege. The two men were Pres. Jefferson and Secretary
Gallatin--both Illuminati members. The United States government had placed
an embargo on all U.S. ships from sailing with goods in 1807. But Astor got
special permission from these two men for his ship to sail with its cargo.
His ship sailed and made close to a $200,000 profit in that day’s money.
Astor strangely profited greatly from the War of 1812, which crippled almost
all the other American shippers. Astor also worked together with George
Clinton, another member of the Illuminati, on land deals. Even at that
period in history, British intelligence worked for the Committee of 300 and
for the Thirteen Top Families, it is interesting then, that John Coleman who
had access as an intelligence agent to secret documents, discovered that the
original John Jacob Astor was also a British secret agent. The Thirteen
Families have very intimate roles with the American and British intelligence
cults. Prior to 1817, John Jacob Astor entered into the fur trade and
remained the biggest player in the fur trade until he got out of it in 1834.
Over the years, he had managed to build up a monopoly. How he managed to
push everyone else out is a good question. Bear in mind, white people had
been trapping furs in the New World for several centuries, and the Indians
for who knows how long. Then this guy Astor comes along and in a few years
totally owns the whole industry! Again this could only have happened,
because the occult power of this Astor family gave them the right.
Obviously, others in the Committee of 300 had to step aside, if his position
in the hierarchy had not given Astor the right, believe me the other
families that originally controlled the fur trade would have gotten rid of
Astor. One result of his fur company, was that Astoria, OR was created.
Today, perhaps in honor of the family that originally took interest in it,
Astoria is a real hot-bed for the secret Satanic covens in Oregon. John
Jacob Astor did have a few helpful connections. Three of his relatives were
captains on clipper ships. He had connections in London to the Backhouse
family. He married a Todd, a family frequently associated with Satanism. His
wife, a Todd, was also connected to the influential Brevoort family. And
finally for some reason, John Jacob Astor was also on good relations with
the politicians of the day, perhaps because most of them were Freemasons
too.
For a few years John Jacob Astor had participated in the opium trade, but in
1818-he publicly quit running opium to China. John Coleman in his good book
The  Conspirator’s Hierarchy:  The  Story  of  the Committee of 300, p. 131
notes, “John Jacob Astor made a hugh fortune out of the China opium trade
 it was the
Committee of 300 who chose who would be allowed to participate in the
fabu

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] SF Chronicle on KLA heroin connection

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan





From: "David Crockett Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

From: Tom O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Check_Subject
Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 7:29 AM

Source: San Francisco Chronicle
PubDate: Wednesday, May 5, 1999
Page: A1 (Lead Story)
URL: http://www.sfgate.com/
LTE: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

KLA Linked To Enormous Heroin Trade
Police suspect drugs helped finance revolt
Frank Viviano, Chronicle Staff Writer

(Newshawk note: Frank Viviano is a Chronicle Staff Writer who seems to be
on permanent assignment in Eastern Europe, since long before the Kosovo
eruption. He has been the author of several probing "insider" type articles
and a few seris from the region over the pas couple of years. I did a quick
search of a few other papers and none have picked up this story yet;
certainly none seem to have given it the featured position it enjoys in
this mornings Chronicle)

Officers of the Kosovo Liberation Army and their backers,
according to law enforcement authorities in Western Europe and the
United States, are a major force in international organized crime, moving
staggering amounts of narcotics through an underworld network that
reaches into the heart of Europe.

In the words of a November 1997 statement issued by Interpol, the
international police agency, ``Kosovo Albanians hold the largest
share of the heroin market in Switzerland, in Austria, in Belgium,
in Germany, in Hungary, in the Czech Republic, in Norway and in
Sweden.''

That the Albanians of Kosovo are victims of a conscious, ethnic-
cleansing campaign set in motion by Yugoslav President Slobodan
Milosevic is clear. But the credentials of some who claim to
represent them are profoundly disturbing, say highly placed
sources on both sides of the Atlantic.

On March 25 -- the day after NATO's bombardment of Serb forces
began -- drug enforcement experts from the Hague-based European
Office of Police (EUROPOL), met in an emergency closed session
devoted to ``Kosovar Narcotics Trafficking Networks.''

EUROPOL is preparing an extensive report for European justice and
interior ministers on the KLA's role in heroin smuggling.
Independent investigations of the charges are also under way in
Sweden, Germany and Switzerland.

``We have intelligence leading us to believe that there could be a
connection between drug money and the Kosovo Liberation Army,''
Walter Kege, head of the drug enforcement unit in the Swedish
police intelligence service, told the London Times in late March.

As long as four years ago, U.S. officials were concerned about
alleged ties between narcotics syndicates and the People's
Movement of Kosovo, a dissident political organization founded in
1982 that is now the KLA's political wing.

A 1995 advisory by the federal Drug Enforcement Administration
warned of the possibility ``that certain members of the ethnic
Albanian community in the Serbian region of Kosovo have turned to
drug trafficking in order to finance their separatist
activities.''

If the drug-running allegations against the KLA are accurate, the
group could join a rogues' gallery of former U.S. allies whose
interests outside the battlefield brought deep embarrassment and
domestic political turmoil to Washington.

In 1944, the invading U.S. Army handed the reins of power in
Sicily to local ``anti-fascists'' who were in fact Mafia leaders.
During the next half century, American governments also turned a
blind eye to, or collaborated with, the narcotics operations of
Southeast Asian drug lords and Nicaraguan Contras who were allied
with the United States in Indochina and Central America.

In each case, the legacy of these partnerships ranged from global
expansion of the power wielded by criminal syndicates, to divisive
congressional inquiries at home and lasting suspicion of American
intentions overseas.

The involvement of ethnic Albanians in the drug trade is not
exclusively Kosovar. It includes members of Albanian communities
in Europe's three poorest countries or regions -- Kosovo,
Macedonia and Albania -- where the appeal of narcotics trafficking
is self-explanatory, even without a separatist war to fund.

The average 1997 monthly salary in all three communities was less
than $200. In Albania, it was less than $50.

According to the Paris-based Geopolitical Drug Watch, which
advises the governments of Britain and France on illegal narcotics
operations, one kilogram (2.2 pounds) of heroin costs $8,300 in
Albania, which lies at the western terminus of a ``Balkan Route''
that today accounts for up to 90 percent of the drug's exports to
Europe from Southeast Asia and Turkey.

Across the border from Albania in Greece, the same kilo of heroin
can be sold for $30,000, yielding an instant profit equal to nine
years' normal income in Macedonia and more than a third of a
century in Albania or prebombardment Kosovo.

The Balkan Route is a principal thoroughfare f

Re: [CTRL] Crashing Apaches Are Kamikazes? (fwd)

1999-05-05 Thread Colleen Jones

 -Caveat Lector-

I think like the kids in Colorado..at least the one - or both - were
suicidal and it was caused by a drug.

USAF has been giving the pilots drugs for this jet lag that causes
amesia, disorientation, etc., and in some instances, suicidal
tendencies.

If the are still using this drug - and I can only presume they are, they
should know better.

Two out of twenty-four - but remember the Blue Angels, three taken out
at once, the pilot who for no reason flew into a mountain (they said he
was depressed over religion - remember thatwhat drug did they put
him on).

In Viet Name, they also sent out our troops on drugs, and drugs were
pretty wide spread.

Why doesn't Clinton investigate this; do you wonder now why the troops
in some cases refused to be innoculated against
"anthrax" which equites to meningitis

And there was Governor Pete Wilson tonite observing the billion dollar
damage in Oklahomawill that guy ever wise up.  I do know for a fact,
that there are certain governors who know all about the weather
modification program.

Wonder why they built all those houses on slabs when they also knew,
there was danger of tornados; but then, why do they permit the
government to blow away an entire city with this program.

Colleen

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[CTRL] MEN IN GROUPS

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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MEN IN GROUPS - WHY MEN COURT MEN? WHY NO WOMEN ARE ALLOWED? WHY WARS
ARE FOR MEN ONLY?
Tiger, Lionel
Condition: good w/good dustjacket. 254pp This book could decisively
change our conception of why men form groups; what they do in these
groups; why they take religious orders or join secret societies; why
they play games and watch them; why so few women achieve power in
politics or business; and even why men exclude females from groups.
According to the author, these contemporary issues are related to man's
ancient biological history.
Format: Hardcover / First Edition / Dust Jacket
Associated Dealer: Ray Boas - ABAA - rayboasbookseller.com  New Preston,
Ct
Our Price: $22.50
-
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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[CTRL] Anarchy in the UK

1999-05-05 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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The UK is currently hurting from mad ethnic cleansing bombs, and mad people
and a professional hit that engendered massive public shock and
horror on the Crimewatch TV Journalist, Diana lookalike Jill Dando.
Shot once in the head, she dies screaming whilst the assassin leaps
off London bridge to disappear eternally from retribution - presumably
to the waiting unit of frogmen with gear below.
Meanwhile the Queen has ordered a Bodyguard on Diana and Dando lookalike
Prince Edwards new bride.
The alleged brixton bomber person has been rounded up as an isolated loner who
wasn't put up to this by anyone - all this notably at the same time as
Colorado gunnings - whilst neo fascist groups combat18 and whitewolves
are arrested in the British Military.
Scotland gets bombarded with fake opinion polls in my opinion that say
that labour have an overwhelming majority in the new Scottish parliament,
whilst Nationalist leader Alex Salmond conspicuously commits political
suicide [again allegedly without any MC tactics deployed] that enables
one of the most perverse political parties in the history of Britain to
gain power against the odds.
New Labour - the Tony Blair machine was seen by everyone as implementing
the destructive policies of its alleged rivals the Tories - to such an
obvious extent that even the 'salt of the earth' in my local neighbourhood
saw it for themselves.
In public TV debates Donald Dewar rolled the words 'Billion pounds' with
the ease of a practised narrator many times, but his arguments that all
national hospitals will never be owned by the British people were
scandalous, because they can only ever be hired out from American Investors.
One day those hospitals for the needy could become resorts for the greedy.
Donald Dewar was asked on TV whether the Trident submarines were public
assets,
he answered in the affirmative and was then asked to swap one for a good
hospital for Scotland.
The sickening decline in maternity facilities in Scotland, one of the
poorest parts of the UK, decline in heavy industry, new technologies, whilst
Scottish manhood made over half [55%] the gulf war contingent of troops
and was proportionally over-represented on the battlefront by 30%.
A long sick policy of genocide and cultural decline - crap newspaper
reports in 'quality' papers like the Scotsman suggesting that Scots are
genetically aggressive and drunkards - science says.
Though science had chosen an arbitrary demographic area manufactured by
the Roman legions [hadrians wall]- when the truth is that Northern Britain
which includes other unemployed poor miners in the North of England is
depressed.
The closure of the navy shipyard at Rosyth was a fraud perpetrated by the
Scottish Office who knew that a rival southern english shipyard had not a
hope of fulfilling its heavily underquoted contract - all this was
an attempt to sway more English voters to the Tory party nearer London.
Giving the Scottish yard the work would not have meant any political gain
for the Tories.
We see pictures of terrified Englishmen and women on TV really worried about
their safety should Scotland gain independence - yet if they had had to
suffer the indignity of the racism perpetrated against myself in Winchester
near London, there would have been TV specials 
Meanwhile the BBC Childrens programmes perpetrate the parochial and insulting
archetype of the ignorant Scot and the upper class better educated English.
I complained and was darkly reprimanded when they discovered I had given a
false Scottish address with their highly intrusive computer check on their
alleged clients.
Meanwhile a new book by a former MI5 agent called 'Dead man Running' describes
a brave man set up by his employers - on the run, brutalised, hounded - just
out in the stores.
Bookshelves are stashed out with former SAS 'spilling the beans' on secret ops
at the expense of being banned from the Officers Club for life - who dares
earns.
Meanwhile some former SAShole catches up with me at a music rehearsal shakes
my hand and twists and severely damages my elbow tendons - pity I need to
play a violin to pay my bills.

Its voting time for a new Scotland today - same old stuff -
National Socialists, International Socialists and the Liberal Democrats who
really never have had anything to say plus Blairs Totalitarian Order.
If there was an alternative I'd vote for the Reptilian Party at least there
would be a claws in their contract.
Strange people in grey suits canvassing for labour from southern england were
going round the doors in my neighbourhood whilst the real newspaper news
is of sectarian hatred and murder in Scottish soccer.

There is Nothing in the news or anywhere on Y2K - it doesn't exist, whilst
my tax form tells me that I am exempt from a category of tax till the year
1901.
The general science shelves in Waterstones are bare of new discoveries
and packed full of glossy sentimental and apologist rhetoric.

Switching on BBC News 24, I watch in horr

[CTRL] Fw: Is world run by Syndicates, Cartels, Banks and Intelligence Services??!

1999-05-05 Thread Lloyd Miller

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-Original Message-
From: David Goldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Newsgroups:
alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.societ
y.liberalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.usa.republican,talk.politics
.misc,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.journalism,alt.conspiracy
Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 10:43 AM
Subject: Is world run by Syndicates, Cartels, Banks and Intelligence
Services??!


It's a taboo subject. It's a subject that Big Media won't touch even
though the CIA itself *touched* on it in the Hitz Report several
months ago when the Inspector General Hitz admitted the CIA was
dealing with known cocaine traffickers during Iran-Contra.

It's a subject that politicians won't touch either because it
reflects a silent partnership of left and right and the employees of
the Big Boys who are presidents, prime ministers, senators, etc. don't
want to touch it. Alfred McCoy wrote about the Southeast Asia heroin
connection and Michel Chassoudovsky wrote about the Balkans/Kosovo
heroin connection. Gary Webb wrote about the Contra cocaine
connection. There are other important materials, books by Terry Reed,
Andrew Cockburn, AE Pritchard and Roger Morris on the CIA cocaine
connections running from Oliver North's Iran-Contra operation right
through to Clinton's Mena, Arkansas, and even how they intersect with
other "intelligence agencies" like the anti-Jewish Israeli Mossad.
Then there are the banking connections, and information discussion the
Nuhand Bank in Australia, BCCI and banking operations in places like
Little Rock, Arkansas.

There was Operation Watchtower, discussed on Mike Ruppert's website
(www.copvcia.com) which involved beacons being set up in Colombia by
the CIA in the 1970s to allow planes carrying cocaine to land
undetected in Panama, and how some Americans who were involved in
those operations suffered, including Bill Tyree. Terry Reed wrote
about it, and Barry Seal (among others like Mossad agent Amiram Nir)
got killed for what he knew in Lousiana in 1986.

There was the fellows named David Kimche and Mike Harari (former CIA
asset Manuel Noriega's associate) and the late Amiram Nir who had
involvement in the arms and drug side of "business" for the Mossad.
And Ari ben Menashe wrote about the arms trafficking.

So the question is really: Is the world run by syndicates, cartels,
banks and Intelligence services?? Are the media and politicians merely
employees of these folks who are the guys up at the Trilateral
Commission and Bilderberger Group?

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[CTRL] DOPING OUR KIDS - A Widespread form of Mind Control?

1999-05-05 Thread Lloyd Miller

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From: Ian Goddard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 7:05 PM
Subject: WorldNetDaily: DOPING OUR KIDS

Even as America wages a freedom-demolishing "War on Drugs,"
there is underway one of the most massive doping campaigns
in the history of the US. The doping of children in school
with psychotropic drugs with the intent of making children
more manageable. These mind-altering drugs posses a witch's
brew of adverse/toxic side effects, including psychotic mania.
The following WND article presents important & relevant facts:

== http://WorldNetDaily.com ===

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan/19990429_xex_doping_our_k.sht
ml

 DOPING OUR KIDS
 Prescription drugs at root
 of violence, says expert


 By David M. Bresnahan
 (c) 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

 Mind altering drugs may be the cause
 of violence among school children,
 according to some doctors and other
 experts. Millions of children are
 legally taking drugs similar to
 cocaine in schools every day.

 The drugs are Ritalin, Prozac, and
 others.

 The claims that behavioral drugs
 cause violence in children came after
 news reports that Eric Harris, one of
 the shooters in the Columbine High
 School shooting, was reported to
 have been taking such medication.
 Harris was also rejected by the
 Marines for medical reasons. The
 Marines would only say that anyone
 who is currently being treated by a
 doctor would be rejected.

 Other shootings and violent acts at
 schools across the nation have been
 committed by children receiving
 psychiatric care, counseling, and
 drugs such as Ritalin, according to
 several groups.

 At least two organizations claim that
 over-use of Ritalin is to blame for
 the escalating incidents of children
 committing acts of violence on other
 children. They claim the problem has
 reached pandemic proportions and
 will get worse before it gets better.
 Other experts place the blame on
 inadequate parenting, while
 legislators propose new laws.

 A report issued in 1995 by the Drug
 Enforcement Agency warned that
 Ritalin "shares many of the
 pharmacological effects of ... cocaine."

 There are some experts who claim
 Ritalin can cause psychotic reactions
 resulting in violent behavior toward
 others and suicide. Defenders of the
 drug claim those reactions are
 symptoms of the condition, not the
 drug itself.

 Support for the claim that the use of
 Ritalin can cause psychotic reactions
 can be found in medical literature
 and studies. A simple search on the
 Internet revealed extensive volumes
 of medically credible documents
 listing a vast number of warnings and
 side effects to the drug, which is
 classified by the U.S. government in
 the same category as cocaine and
 heroin.

 One Internet site provides frequently
 asked medical questions with
 answers from doctors. Drug Infonet
 warns that there are "no studies in
 animals or humans" and that "risks
 are unknown currently." Among the
 side effects the doctors warn about
 are "psychotic thought processes."

 "The use of Ritalin on children has
 no purpose other than to slow them
 down, shut them up, and make it
 more difficult for them to move
 around," described Dennis H. Clarke,
 Chairman, Executive Advisory Board,
 Citizens Commission On Human
 Rights International. He believes that
 Ritalin is an easy way out for parents
 and teachers, rather than dealing
 directly with behavior problems in
 children.

 Clarke also points to the "Diagnostic
 and Statistical Manual of Mental
 Disorders, Third Revised Edition,"
 published by the American
 Psychiatric Association, as supporting
 his claims of the dangers of Ritalin in
 children. All the critical information
 about Ritalin has been removed in
 the more recent edition, which he
 says supports his claim t

Re: [CTRL] Icke's Shape-shifting Reptilians

1999-05-05 Thread Kevin

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> Just an experience I thought I would share; but really got me was, he
> backed off - not Iand I wonder what he saw in my eyesa lack of
> fear?
>

 Well, perhaps he wasn't expecting to a fellow shape-shifter or a person
controlled by one. Your bloodline is the key. The purer the better.
Really creepy how he links up the same lines from Babylon to now.
Forgot the reptiles, anyone with deep rooted blood lines will get a
lot of coincidences matched up in this book.

 Kevin

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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] A Modest Proposal]

1999-05-05 Thread Jim Norman

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[snip]
Tyranny was the sole reason the 2nd Amendment came about, idiot...


June

You go girl...!
Jim

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Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-05 Thread Jim Norman

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"M.A. Johnson" wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> nurev wrote:
> Ah, here is the crux of the problem. This person, and
> and capitalists in general would like everyone to take on
> their belief system.

And likeYou don't?  Why are you trying to make everybody think as you do?

> Individualism, individual rights, and
> the ever so lovely PROPERTY IS PRIOR TO LAW.

this is what our country was built on!

> These twisted
> apostles of greed and arrogant stupidity are just simply
> selfish bastards inventing justifications for their sorry
> assed selves.

Sounds like you're mad because you don't have any.

>
>
> Who in their right mind would claim that " property is prior
> to law?" Not only isn't this factual in all of human evolution,
> but it's a pathetic indication of a warped and sick personality.

Who in their right, or left, mind would claim that "property is NOT prior
to law?"  Not only isn't this factual in all of human evolution,
but it's a pathetic indication of a warped and sick personality.
JN

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] A Modest Proposal]]

1999-05-05 Thread Jim Norman

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Scott Brown wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Scott Brown wrote:
> > >
> > >  -Caveat Lector-
> > >
> > > Robert Tatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >  -Caveat Lector-
> > > >
> > > > At the risk of being massively flamed, I am compelled by a sense of
> > > > intellectual honesty to propose that the time has come to repeal the
> Second
> > > > Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

There is no intellectual honesty in this statement.  Intellectual honesty has
nothing to do with amending our constitution.
 And so then, what other instrument of death would you ban next?  Cars?  How 'bout
drugs?  Knives?

>
> > >
> > > Scott Brown
> >
> > Disgusting or not you'll have to deal with it. Many of us are sick and
> > tired
> > of your mantra

Thank God, you're in the minority.  Most real Americans believe in the law of the
land and many died defending same.  I think we are all sick and tired of  crime
created by .3% of the population causing others to want to pass laws not
affecting the law breakers, but the rest of the population.  Don't you know these
kids broke many gun laws already on the books?  What makes you think that passing
new laws or outlawing guns with affect criminals?  That's what makes criminals,
criminals!  They break laws!

> . We would like to get guns out of daily life and see
> > what happens.
> > If the death rate drops ( which it will ) then that's the way it will
> > stay.

It only leads to despotism.  look in your history books.  Can you name the last
country that gave up guns that its citizens are still free and crime did not go
up?

> No
> > guns.
> >
> > It's going to happen. There is nothing you can do about it. And its
> > about time.

Fortunately, we have more mature, level headed people making laws in this country.

>
> >
> > Joshua2
>
> You can believe that making guns illegal is an eventuality all you want.
> Why is it that the folks that claim nobody needs guns are also most often the
> people who believe our government has the interest of the people in in mind?
> Just like believing that you can disarm the public, this is pure fantasy. I
> will tell you this, if you think you are going to take away my right to defend
> myself and others as well, why don't you just try it and see what happens.
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Re: [CTRL] Crashing Apaches Are Kamikazes? (fwd)

1999-05-05 Thread Howard R. Davis III

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In his book on Vietnam and JFK's assassination, Col. Fletcher Prouty
pointed out that about half of the helicopters in Vietnam crashed. I
think about half of those were non-combat. He said that with helicopters
you don't need an enemy.

Howard Davis


Brian Redman wrote:
>
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>
> CRASHING APACHES ARE KAMIKAZES?
> ===
>
> (CNNS,  05/05/99)  --  In World War 2, the Japanese used Kamikaze
> pilots who  served  on  suicide  missions.   They would purposely
> crash their bomb-laden planes into U.S. ships.  It  was  part  of
> Japanese war strategy.
>
> The ABC  News  web  site  reports  today  that  "a  second Apache
> helicopter has crashed in Albania."  This means that 2 of the  24
> Apache  helicopters  sent  to  Albania  have  crashed even before
> they've been used to attack the Serb "enemy."
>
> Is  the  overall  strategy  to  be  that the pilots of the Apache
> aircraft will be  Kamikazes?   And  is  the  true  reason for the
> premature crashes due to overeagerness on the part of some pilots
> to prove their loyalty to the divine emperor, Bill Clinton?  That
> is one possible explanation.
>
> Another explanation for the crashing Apaches is given in a recent
> issue of Mother Jones  magazine.   The  AH-64D Apache Longbow was
> pre-specified to have a Vertical Rate Of Climb (VROC) of 450 feet
> per minute.  And Boeing, which makes the Apache, did (in  a  way)
> deliver  on  the  specifications.  The Apache does have a VROC of
> better than 450 feet per minute, as long as it's not weighed down
> with missiles and extra fuel.  "Army engineers say that for every
> pound the [Apache] Longbow gains, the helicopter loses 0.839 feet
> per minute of lift."  [1]
>
> In theory, this translates  to  a  fully  loaded  Apache not only
> being unable to climb at all, but even being unable  to  maintain
> altitude.   The  Apache's  full  complement of 12 missiles weighs
> 1,721 pounds.  If, as  Army  engineers  say, every pound equals a
> loss of 0.839 VROC, that means 1,721 pounds multiplied by  -0.839
> VROC  equals  -1,443.919  VROC.  Mother Jones magazine calculates
> the VROC of a  fully-loaded  Apache  as  "*negative* 549 feet per
> minute." [2]
>
> Mother Jones cites a report from the  General  Accounting  Office
> (GAO), which states that the Apache helicopter lacks the "agility
> to operate successfully in combat." [3]
>
> In  related  Military-Industrial Complex news, Teledyne, Inc., is
> connected with the manufacture of "cluster bombs."  It is not yet
> ascertained by  this  news  service  whether  Teledyne assists in
> building or builds the  cluster  bombs  now  being  used  in  our
> "conflict"  with  Yugoslavia.   Cluster bombs "explode in the air
> and release fiery bomblets that cover  a  wide  range."   [4]  In
> 1995,  Teledyne  was  sued  and  settled  out  of  court for $2.2
> million.   Allegedly,  Teledyne  used  "falsified  tests  to sell
> substandard radio gear to the  U.S.  government.   Employees  had
> been  instructed  to  fake tests of electronic gadgets on Stinger
> and other  missiles  that  enable  U.S.  soldiers  to distinguish
> friendly from enemy  aircraft...   About  2,500  components  that
> failed tests were sold to the military." [5]
>
> ---<< Notes >>---
> [1] "Chopper Troubles." Mother Jones magazine, Jan/Feb 1999.
> [2] Ibid.
> [3] Qtd. in "Chopper Troubles," op. cit.
> [4]  *Downsize  This!*  by   Michael  Moore.   New  York:   Crown
> Publishers, 1996. ISBN: 0-517-70739-X.
> [5] Ibid.
>
> --
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> outlet, not owned by anyone.  (But  of course, we would say that,
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Re: [CTRL] Howard: Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-05 Thread Howard R. Davis III

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Edward Britton wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Howard:
>
> I am pleased to inform you that I, indeed, am one who agrees with the basic
> principle of rights to life and property, but, in practice, it never seems
> to work out that way for long given historical precedent--even under the
> best of governmental designs. And while, clearly, the "natural" laws of
> 'might makes right' are tyrannies to be eternally fought against, they
> somehow end up as the zero-point for a complacent society. The system
> always seem to degrade into tyranny untill we get involved in larege enough
> numbers to change our plight. This is my point, and one which appears to
> have basis in fact in America now, through the machinations of a near
> feudal and certainly tyrannical federal government.
>

I think it was Jefferson who said: "The price of liberty is eternal
vigilance". There are many who see government as a powerful tool which
they can use for their own benefit. They are smart enough to get others
to work against their own interests to put that tool into their hands
and to increase its power. They make the same false promises that have
been made by tyrants for millennia. We are long down that road to
another tyranny, but many are beginning to wake up.

Howard Davis

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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] A Modest Proposal]

1999-05-05 Thread Howard R. Davis III

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YnrChyldzWyld wrote:
>
> I think there should be laws ENCOURAGING people to buy guns and
> carry them with them everywhere...if MORE people had guns, the crooks and
> creeps would then have reason to pause and wonder if their intended
> victims just might shoot back, instead of being 'sitting ducks'...
>

   After a city up north banned guns within the city limit and got a lot
of publicity, a small town north of Atlanta (Kennesaw) enacted a city
ordinance requiring every household to have a gun (if you didn't want
one, though, there were a lot of ways around the law). The crime rate
immediately dropped.

Howard Davis

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Re: [CTRL] Electric/Electromagnetic

1999-05-05 Thread Colleen Jones

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Thank you.there is something very strange here and I do believe it
is dangerous.

Thank you to for all the information and remembering that I only know
what I seeand I saw something strange.

It has to do with the satelliteI think what I was trying to say was
that if this little antenna can turn on a lite, and emit this round,
white circular lite upon contact to an ordinary lite with a halogen
bulbthis stuff could be used in some very dangerous programsand
a lot of people are being exposed to hazards.

My daughter has a one year old and tht was my primary concern.   This is
up very high beyond reach, but I want to see she gets rid of that
antenna or the lite or both.

thanks..
no reply necessary.  you have been very kind.

Colleen

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Re: [CTRL] Icke's Shape-shifting Reptilians

1999-05-05 Thread Colleen Jones

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Just once..my old bossie called me out of my office to meet a man
who was so powerfuly, he virtually controlled the county and part of the
state; he liked my boss but twice called him to approach me to do
something or lay offfor instance, this one man I knew who was CIA
black bag manthis man actually called him, or his brother did, to
say that they were aware he was coming in to see menuff said there.

But back that day my boss called me to meet this man, I walked out of my
office, and frozeand I kid you not, this has only happened two times
in my life.our eyes made contact, an I remember thinking "indian",
and then he turned and walked out rather hurridley.   It was then, I
realized that this man was different; it was his eyes.they held mine
fixed, and I fo rthe first time in my life, did not back...they
lockedhe had what I later called "reptilian" eyes, and there was
another man in this county once who ran for Congress who later said he
had a reptilian look to his eyes.

Now, he was short; I looked down upon him.  And the I accidently
blundered onto a secret; he was with a married woman, sneaking out the
back way - and I do not know if he was married.

But when you ever meet a Mafiaso.and see a pair of eyes like that
there is something differentif you let them they will burn a hole
thorugh you

Just an experience I thought I would share; but really got me was, he
backed off - not Iand I wonder what he saw in my eyesa lack of
fear?

Colleen
His initials were P.W.  I must add, the man who saw the same thing I
saw, was Scotch Irish.anyway, he saw what I saw and he did make one
book I read years ago, about the Illuminati.

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[CTRL] THE BOSS - J. Edgar Hoover and the Great American Inquisition

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
THE BOSS - J. Edgar Hoover and the Great American Inquisition
Athan G. Theoharis & John Stuart Cox
Temple University©1988
Bantam Books / July 1990
ISBN  0-553-28539-4
-

Politics need not always have to do with legal government. It is a process.
It exists in sports, in science, in the world of folk-rock, in religious
organizations, in business, among fashion designers and their publicists.
There is also a demi-monde of Politics which has not received due attention
from students of political process in particular and social action in
general. I refer to secret societies.
Lionel Tiger, Men in Groups


Acknowledgments

The most complete and accurate record of J. Edgar Hoover's conduct as
director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, including his transactions
with presidents and attorneys general, is contained in the files of the FBI.
While presidential libraries and other depositories house ample documents
pertaining to Hoover, their resources are all of limited value either because
the most important are still classified or, as in the case of the
presidential libraries, the documentary record is incomplete, "sanitized,"
and often quite misleading. Presidents were not apt to record their most
sensitive requests to the Director in writing or, in cases in which they did,
would have sought later to hide the fact, but the Director, for his own
protection, did record such requests in memos for the file. However, because
FBI records for the forty-eight years of Hoover's tenure have no yet been
deposited at the National Archives, they must be obtained from the Bureau
itself, a process that in the nature of things is time-consuming and costly,
requiring as it does in almost every case resort to a Freedom of Information
Act request.

The research for this biography began in 1976, with a careful scrutiny of the
FBI documents reprinted in the hearings of the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence Activities (the so-called Church Committee) and, subsequent to
that, submission of a series Of FOIA requests to the Bureau—a number of which
were still pending when this book went to press. We wish to express Our
appreciation to James Hall and Emil Moschella, the heads of the Records
Management Division of the Bureau, and their able staffs for Processing our
numerous requests; and also to Susan Rosenfeld Falb, the official historian
of the FBI, for her informed assistance. For their help in expediting the
FBI's processing of our FOIA requests, we particularly thank Chairman Glenn
English and Congressman Gerald Kleczka of the House Government Information
Subcommittee and Committee Counsel Robert Gellman.

For support in funding our research at the Bureau, we are indebted to several
foundations, namely the Field Foundation, the Warsh-Mott Funds, the C.S.
Fund, the Youth Project, the Fund for Investigative Journalism, the Webster
Woodmansee Fund, the American Historical Association—Albert Beveridge
Research Grant, and Marquette University.

A number of individuals and organizations shared their FBI files with us Or
otherwise aided our research into FBI files. For their cooperation, we thank
Congressman Don Edwards, Harrison Salisbury, Tony Mauro, Anthony Marro, John
Henry Faulk, Morton Halperin, Alger Hiss, Kai Bird, Kenneth O'Reilly, Susan
Dion, Douglas Cassel, Harold Weisberg, M. Wesley Swearingen, David Luce,
Richard Criley, Percival Bailey, Kenneth Waltzer, Steven Rosswurm, David
Garrow, Charles Martin, ion Weiner, John Fuegi, Dan Simoniski, Theodore
Kornweibel, Sam Walker, W. H. and Carol Bernstein Ferry, John Studer and
Holbrook Mahn, Socialist Workers Party, Women's international League for
Peace and Freedom, Committee for Public Justice, War Resisters League,
American Labor Party, National Lawyers Guild, The Nation, American civil
Liberties union, and National Committee to Abolish HUAC.

Our understanding of Hoover was greatly enriched by the testimony of Hoover
family members, Bureau associates and acquaintances who kindly granted us
interviews, most importantly Margaret Hoover Fennell, Mr. and Mrs. Dickerson
Hoover, Jr., and Fred Robinette; also Ramsey Clark, Cartha DeLoach, Don
Edwards, Anthony Marro, Harrison Salisbury, John Henry Faulk, George Reedy,
Joseph Bryan III, Alger Hiss, M. Wesley Swearingen, and Allan Witwer. Two
former associates of Hoover who asked not to be identified were also greatly
helpful. But undoubtedly the greatest single assistance we received in
understanding Hoover's character was given by Michael Sheard, professor of
psychiatry at Yale University Medical School, who, together with his wife,
Wendy Stedman Sheard, a writer and art historian, read the first draft of our
manuscript, commented on it in detail and initiated a computer search into
the pertinent clinical literature at Yale's medical school library.

We also wish to thank Mr. and Mrs. Thomas Catlin for their hospitality in
showing us around the house that Hoover lived in on Thirtieth Place,

[CTRL] [17] The Strange Death of FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
The Strange Death of FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT
A History of the Roosevelt-Delano Dynasty America's Royal Family
Emanuael M. Josephson©1948
CHEDNEY PRESS
127 East 69th Street
New York 21, N. Y.
--[17]--

CHAPTER XVII

THE ROOSEVELTS MAKE HAY

The most disgusting spectacle of the Roosevelt administration and of all
American history, was the exploitation of the office of President by the
members of the Roosevelt family. It became the accepted practice to resort to
open bribery of the President or his entourage, or to subsidize a member of
his immediate family, when seeking Presidential favor. Not even the dog Fala
escaped. I cite a few instances.

Henry J. Kaiser, who borrowed hundreds of millions of dollars from the
government agencies, much of which he seeks to avoid repaying, and who did an
enormous government business, presented President Roosevelt in 1944 with a
not so trifling Christmas gift —a $25,000 solid platinum ship model.

In appreciation of his efforts in engineering billions of "Lend Lease" and in
securing our entry into the war in her behalf, England, through Lord
Beaverbrook, presented Harry L. Hopkins and his wife with a $3,000,000
emerald parure and other such trifling jewels. Exposure led to a weak and
equivocal denial.

Anna Roosevelt Dall Boettiger and her husband's lucrative employments that
derived from Presidential favors have been recounted. A more recent one that
is very striking was publicized in an article in the December 2, 1947 issue
of LOOK magazine entitled "The World's Most Generous Man". It recounts the
case of Charlie Ward, President of Brown and Bigelow. Ward had been sentenced
to ten years at Leavenworth in the early 20's, for the illegal possession of
narcotics. The sentencing judge called him "a man beneath contempt".

He was released in 1925. President Roosevelt gave Ward a full and
unconditional pardon in 1935. LOOK reports that Ward "is believed to have
partially subsidized" the Arizona Times, which Mr. and Mrs. Boettiger now
publish as their latest "assisted" venture with $50,000 and Barney Baruch
with $10,000. It is now reported that Boettiger has been applying to his
former employer, Col. N. McCormick of the Chicago Tribune.

James, Elliott, and Franklin D. Jr. junketed at the expense of taxpayers and
enjoyed a family picnic at Casablanca. They were on the job when overnight,
President F. D. Roosevelt  announced a hundred percent increase in the value
of the franc, from 100 to 50 for a dollar. It is doubtful that the boys lost
any money on the deal.

James Roosevelt, who had difficulty in getting a start prior to his father's
presidential nomination, did very well in his insurance business. An article
published in 1938 in the Saturday Evening Post entitled "Jimmy Has It",
related how young and inexperienced Jimmy was able to take away from veteran
brokers enormous policies of concerns that had matters to square with the
Administration, or sought its favor, good will or business. For a time "Crown
Prince" Jimmy sought to take over political control of the Massachusetts
Democratic organization from the local bosses; but he lost out.

In the midst of an intense war between rival slot machine and juke box
operators, featuring such notables as back-scenes Tammany boss, Frank
Costello, Jimmy Roosevelt entered the motion picture-juke box business in
association with the Mills Manufacturing Company. From there it was a short
step to a well paid executive position in motion picture business in
Hollywood. The industry faced Federal indictment which was subsequently
squashed.

It is interesting to note the connection' of the group with the Automatic
Voting Machine Co. The machines were denied acceptance until they became
associated with the enterprise and the machines were found satisfactory for
special purposes. Though the machines are merely mechanical counters, they
jam with surprising regularity in districts whose vote is not "dependable".
"Shims" that serve to cause registration on counters other than those
intended, load the pockets of "inspectors". Though it could be done simply,
the voter is given no way of knowing for what candidate his vote is counted.
Elections can be stolen easily.

For a while, wandering Jimmy was tucked under the wing of his father as
Presidential secretary and assistant. During the war, he flew far and wide on
lendlease business—in advance of grants to various appreciative lands. He
made an astonishing success of his army career. Overnight he became a
Lieutenant Colonel in the Marines and in April 1944, no doubt for military
genius manifested, he was promoted to rank of Colonel.

In March 1946, Jimmy was named national director of the political
organization of the Communist front, the Independent Citizens' Committee of
The Arts, Sciences and Professions. He announced the organization's program
of political action which included extension of price control and the OPA,
repeal of the poll tax, permanent Fair Employ

[CTRL] [1] Revelations of an International Spy

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
Revelations of an International Spy
T. T. Lincoln
Robert M. McBride & Company©1916
New York
-

PREFACE

On the 5th and 6th of August, 1915, the entire Press of the United States
gave great prominence to my arrest, made the day before upon a warrant sworn
out by the Senior British Vice-Consul in New York City, charging me with
forgery committed in England—in July and August, 1914.

Rather strange! I left England on the 30th of January, 1915—providing all the
time and opportunity for my arrest between this date and July, 1914, when, it
is alleged, I committed the forgeries. And I was by no means in hiding. On
the contrary, as letters reproduced in subsequent chapters of this book will
show, I was in direct touch with the War Office and the Admiralty in London.
Every afternoon I was to be found in the large smoking room of the National
Liberal Club.

Why, if I had committed the forgeries was I not arrested?

I arrived in New York City on the 8th of February and my address from that
date on was at all times known to the British Secret Service, who were
keeping me shadowed. I know this to be a fact. Why was I not arrested—if not
in England—at any rate here in New York between February 8th and August 4th?
I was not in hiding. I lived under my own name; I moved about freely; I
feared nothing. On the 23rd and 30th of May, I published in the New York
World two articles about my Secret Service activities during the war. Even
then Great Britain did not move.

But since then something important has happened. Messrs. Robert M. McBride &
Company, the publishers of this book, sent out in June their catalogue of
fall publications, containing among many other books—an advance notice of
these, my Revelations. These catalogues were, of course, sent to England as
well. In addition, an English journalist, living in New York, drew the
attention of the British Government to my book-hence my arrest. Sir Edward
Grey knows that I have indeed many things to reveal-hence the "frameup" of
some charge, for which my extradition could be demanded had to be resorted to
in order to silence me, and thus to prevent at all cost my Revelations being
published! I have, however, the utmost confidence that I will successfully
resist the demand for my extradition; I have the utmost confidence in the
fairness and impartiality of the courts of the United States.

Meanwhile I have gone on calmly finishing my narrative. I was enabled to do
this thanks to the kindness of Warden John Hayes of the Raymond Street
Prison, Brooklyn. He granted me certain facilities in the prison which have
enabled me to finish my book. I desire herewith publicly to tender him my
thanks.

Just a final word.

I am not prompted to make these Revelations out of spite or revenge. Weeks
before any proceedings were brought against me, I had been actively engaged
upon them. My desire is to bring home the guilt and responsibility for this
war to its real authors. The English people, as such, are innocent. They
surely did not want the war. In the following pages they and the world will
learn for the first time who dragged them into this war and why.

In the course of my narrative, I shall make many startling, almost incredible
disclosures regarding the subterranean and sinister aims of British
diplomacy, initiated under Edward VII and diligently pursued by Sir Edward
Grey, unknown even to most of his colleagues in the British Cabinet. A mere
official denial from the Foreign Office will neither refute me nor convince
the world. I, therefore, make the following suggestion. Let a joint
Parliamentary Committee be appointed with full powers and most complete
facilities to examine the secret documents to be pointed out in my narrative.
This is a fair proposition. The world is entitled to know the true history of
the present war. Hollow phrases, with which the world has hitherto been
deceived, will not do.

And I go further than that. In order to prevent the appointment of a "packed
Committee," I take the liberty of proposing the following members of both
Houses of Parliament:

Lord Rosebery
Lord Loreburn
John Burns
Sir William Byles
George Cave, K. C.
Sir Edward Caxson, K. C.
John Dillon
Ramsay McDonald
Bonar Law
Sir Arthur Markham
Arthur Ponsonby
Josiah Wedgwood

I shall abide by their statement and verdict. I must, however, warn them that
most of the documents to be referred to in the course of my narrative have
not been filed away as official documents. They were not given the character
of official documents, in order to enable Sir Edward Grey to disclaim any
knowledge of their existence which he has frequently done in and out the
House of Commons. The suggested Parliamentary Committee must bear this in
mind. They should have access to the archives at Windsor Castle and, of
course, to the secret archives-official and non-official—of the British
Embassies in Paris, Rome, Berlin, Constantinople, St. Petersburg, and Vienna
and of the Legations at Bru

[CTRL] The Science of Aliens

1999-05-05 Thread Robert Tatman

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http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/soa.htm
The Science of Aliens
Clifford A. Pickover
Basic Books, 1998, ISBN 0-465-07314-X
Dozens of Illustrations!
"Pickover just seems to exist in more dimensions than the rest of us."
- Ian Stewart, Scientific American



--
 If extraterrestrials ever landed on Earth, they would find us extremely
strange. Their first intimation of our existence might well be a presidential
speech or the Olympic Games, a mud wrestling match or perhaps a T.V. show like
Ally McBeal or 3rd Rock From the Sun. But, of course, they might seem equally
strange to us. How strange? Their senses could be entirely different from
ours-they might see in the infrared or "hear" radio waves-and they might look
completely different from us.
What would aliens look like? An intelligent octopus-like creature is certainly
plausible. What about odd numbers of limbs-a three-legged alien with three
arms and three eyes? What about an entire planet of immobile, silicon-based
"trees" that communicate with each other via electrical signals? The Science
of Aliens gets weirder still. Could a giant interstellar cloud be "alive" and
intelligent? Could creatures live at extremely high pressures and
temperatures? And which of these many possibilities would be similar enough to
us that they could communicate with them, or they with us? Would they have any
interest in abducting us? Would they want to have sex with us?

In classic Pickover style, here is scientifically-based speculation at the far
edge of knowledge-and beyond. Clifford A. Pickover, Ph.D., is on the research
staff of the IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center. He is a regular columnist
for Discover Magazine and an Associate Editor for Computers and Graphics,
Computers in Physics, Odyssey, and Theta. Previous books include Strange
Brains and Genius, Keys to Infinity, Computers and the Imagination, Time: A
Traveler's Guide, Black Holes: A Traveler's Guide, and The Alien IQ Test. Dr.
Pickover lives in Yorktown Heights, New York.


Are We Alone?
 I first became obsessed with the notion of alien lifeforms as a child
watching black-and-white episodes of the 1960s' TV series The Outer Limits.
You can't imagine how profoundly affected I was by the blurring of fact and
fiction. The strange array of aliens, from the antlike Zanti Misfits to the
noble Galaxy Being, made the unbelievable seem a frighteningly real
possibility.
My interest was further stimulated in the late 1960s by the TV series Lost in
Space which dealt with the travels of a human family exploring strange
planets. Their mission, set in the not-too-distant future, was to begin
colonization of a planet near the star Alpha Centauri. Unfortunately, their
craft went off course, and they lost all contact with Earth.

The most memorable Lost in Space episode dealt with an intergalactic zoo. When
the animals accidentally escape, an odd assortment of 2-legged, hairy,
bug-eyed monsters came ambling, running, leaping, and shuffling from the zoo
enclosure. It hardly occurred to me to ask myself what would it really be like
to visit an intergalactic zoo. Would the creatures look like the ones on the
TV show?

What if you could visit an intergalactic zoo filled with intelligent
lifeforms? Would the aliens have heads, arms, and legs, or even be vaguely
humanoid? The challenging task of imagining aliens from other worlds is useful
for any species that dreams of understanding its place in the universe.

Are humans alone in the universe? This question is one of the oldest questions
posed by philosophers and scientists, and it and has profound implications for
our world view. For the first time in history, questions about
extraterrestrial life have left the realm of theology and science fiction and
entered the real of experimental science. Recent advances in biochemistry and
molecular biology  suggest that life -- even life on Earth -- can exist in
incredibly diverse and bizarre environments. Recent discoveries of life living
miles under the Earth in utter darkness, or in ice, or even in boiling water,
tell us: that which is possible in nature tends to become realized. My
personal view is that almost everything happens in our universe that is not
forbidden by the laws of physics and chemistry. Life on Earth can thrive in
unimaginably harsh conditions, even in acid or within solid rock. On the ocean
floor, bacteria thrive in scalding, mineral-laden hot springs. If microbes
thrive in such miserable conditions on Earth, where else beyond Earth might
similar life forms exist?



--
Here is the book's Table of Contents. The numerous, fantastic images (and
references to popular culture) should appeal to readers of all ages.
Table of Contents:


Chapter 1. What Aliens Look Like
Chapter 2. Alien Senses
Chapter 3. Life at the Edge
Chapter 4. Weirder Worlds
Chapter 5. Or

[CTRL] Icke's Shape-shifting Reptilians

1999-05-05 Thread Bruce Fleming

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There are many people in the world who can see a Reptoid creature
that is "hosting" a person. Also many people who can see humans
shapeshifting  into reptoids. I wonder how many of you have seen them.
Pls. take a look at this web site to know what I mean:

http://www.angelfire.com/co2/4research/images/hosted.jpg

The following is an excerpt from David Icke's report  "The Biggest
Secret" concerning shape-shifting reptilians (pls kindly comment
after you read this, I'd like to know what you think of all  this,
whether
organic shapeshifting really occurs and especially how many of you
have seen one,  many thanks)

David Icke wrote:

"In a remarkable period of 15 days as I travelled, around the United
States in 1998, I met more than a dozen separate people who told me of
how they had seen humans transform into reptiles and go back again in
front of their eyes. Two television presenters had just such an
experience while interviewing, a man who was in favour of the global
centralisation of power known as the New World Order. After the live
interview, the male presenter said to his colleague that he had
experienced an amazing sight during the interview. He had seen the
man's face transform into a lizard-like creature and then return to
human. His female fellow presenter was astounded because she had seen
the interviewee's hands turn reptilian. The male presenter also told
me of an experience a policeman friend had while making a routine
visit: to an office block in Aurora, near Denver, Colorado. The
policeman had commented to an executive of one of the companies on the
ground: floor of the extreme nature o f security in the building. She
told him he should look at the higher floors if he wanted to know how
extensive it really  was. She also pointed to a lift which only went
to certain floors at the top of the building and, as they chatted, she
told him of something she had seen some weeks earlier. The lift had
opened and a very strange figure had emerged. He was white to the
point of: being albino, but he had a face shaped like a lizard and his
eye pupils were vertical like a reptile's. This lizard-like figure,
had walked out of the lift a nd in to an official-looking car waiting
outside. The policeman was so intrigued that he used his own time to
check on the companies at the top of the building served, by the
mystery lift. He found they were all fronts for the Central
Intelligence Agency, the CIA.

Then there are the experiences of Cathy O'Brien, the mind controlled
slave of the United States government for more than 25 years, which
she details in her astonishing book, Trance Formation Of America,
written with Mark Phillips. She was sexually abused as a child and
as an adult by a stream of famous people named in her book. Among them
were the US Presidents, Gerald Ford, Bill Clinton and, most
appallingly, George Bush, a: major player in the Brotherhood, as my
books and others have long exposed. It w as Bush, a paedophile and
serial killer, who regularly abused and raped Cathy's daughter, Kelly
O'Brien,, as a toddler before her mother's courageous exposure of
these staggering events forced the authorities to remove Kelly from
the mind control programme known as Project Monarch. Cathy writes in
Trance Formation Of America of how George Bush was sitting in front of
her in his office in Washington DC when, he opened a book at a page
depicting "lizard-like aliens fro m a far off, deep space place.""
Bush the n claimed to be an 'alien' himself and appeared, before her
eyes, to transform 'like a chameleon' into a reptile. Cathy believed
that some kind of hologram had been activated to achieve this and from
her understanding at the time I can see why she rationalised her
experience in this way. Anyone would, because the truth is too
fantastic to comprehend until you see the build up of evidence.
'There's no doubt that alien~based mind programmes are part of these
mind control projects and that the whole U FO-extrat errestrial scene
is being massively manipulated, not least through Hollywood films
designed to mould public thinking. Cathy says in her book that George
Lucas, the producer of Star Wars, is an operative with NASA; and the
National Security Agency, the 'parent' body of the CIA." But given the
evidence presented by so many other people, I don't believe that what
Bush said and Cathy saw was just a mind control programme. I think he
was revealing the Biggest Secret, that a reptilian race from another
dimension has been controlling the planet for thousands of years. I
know other people who have seen Bush shape-shift into a reptilian,

The president of Mexico in the 1980s, Miguel DeLa Madrid; also used
Cathy in her mind controlled state. She said he told her thetegend of
the Iguana and explained that lizard-like extraterrestrials had
descended upon the Mayans in Mexico. The Mayan pyramids, their
advanced astronomical technology and ~ the sacrifice of virgins, was
inspired by lizard-like aliens, h

Re: [CTRL] Electric/Electromagnetic

1999-05-05 Thread Mark McHugh

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Jim Norman wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Mark McHugh wrote:
>
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Do you know how a fluorescent light bulb works, Colleen?
> >
> > An electric current is passed from one end of the tube to the other.
>
> Nope, the current is passed through a heater element on each end of the tube.  The
> heater element excites the gas in the tube.  The excited gas is what gives off
> light.
> Jim
>
> >  The some
> > of the eletrons' energy is absorbed by the gas enclosed inside the tube and
> > reradiated by the gas atoms in a visible wavelength.
>
> Nope, again.  It's a little more complicated than that.
>

Colleen originally asked for a "Mr. Wizard" style answer, so I tried to keep it
easy.  It's been a few years since my last physics course.

"A fluorescent lamp consists of a gas-filled glass tube with an electrode at
each end. This lamp emits light when a current of electrons passes through
it from one electrode to the other and excites mercury atoms in the tube's
vapor. The electrons are able to leave the electrodes because those electrodes
are heated to high temperatures and an electric field, powered by the electric
company, propels them through the tube. However, the light that the mercury
atoms emit is actually in the ultraviolet, where it can't be seen. To convert
this ultraviolet light to visible light, the inside surface of the glass tube
is coated with a fluorescent powder. When this fluorescent powder is exposed
to ultraviolet light, it absorbs the light energy and reemits some of it as
visible light, a process called "fluorescence." The missing light energy is
converted to thermal energy, making the tube slightly hot."

This info is from Physic prof Louis Bloomfield's page, How Things Work, found at
http://howthingswork.virginia.edu/

> >
> >
> > Energy is coming off your antennae,
>
> I thought this was a reception antennae.  Antennae that receive do not create any
> RF energy by its self.  They must be connected to a RF transmitter.  You may hold
> a fluorescent light next to the antennae of a RF transmitter and when that
> transmitter is keyed, you will see the fluorescent light glow.
>
> > exciting the halogen and producing the
> > familiar glow.
>
> halogen requires more heat than a fluorescent light to cause light emission.  I
> have never experimented with Halogen, but I'll bet it would require RF energy as
> well to cause it to give off light.
> Jim

A halogen bulb is incandescent, therefore it's light is produced by the the
glowing tungsten filament.  The halogen just prolongs the life of the filament.
I wonder which of the halogenous gasses are used and if any of them could be
caused to glow.

Sorry about the incorrect info on the antenna question.  I was thinking of an
antenna for a radio freq transceiver.  I always remember our sergeants wanting
us to grab the PRC's antenna when they keyed the mike.  Our jammer's antennae
were to be avoided at all costs!

I suggest avoiding contact with your antenna and seeking professional help.  ;)

--
Mark McHugh

Blinded by science

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[CTRL] Confronting Nuclear Racism

1999-05-05 Thread Robert Tatman

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http://www.mtn.org/pic/cnrreport.html

Confronting Nuclear Racism
Prairie Island Coalition


Table of Contents



--

Page 4-Introduction and Definition of
"Nuclear Racism"

Page 5-Background and Summary

Page 6-Confronting Nuclear Racism
Perspectives from Communities
 Page 7-Dorothy Purley
Paguate, Pueblo of Laguna
 - Uranium Mining

Page 9-Willie Brooks
Homer, Louisiana
 - Proposed Fuel Fabrication
Page 11-Joseph B. Campbell
Prairie Island
 - Reactors, Dry Cask Waste Storage

Page 13-Earth Day 1994
Protest at Prairie Island
 - A Photo Essay

Page 16-Ian Zabarte
Western Shoshone
 - Proposed Storage,
   Nuclear Weapons "Testing"
Page 18-Rufina Marie Laws - Mescalero
 - Proposed Private Interim Storage

Page 21-The Canadian Connection

Page 22-Malvina Iron
Meadow Lake First Nations
 - Proposed Permanent Storage,
   Uranium Mining
 Page 24-Chief Jerry Fontaine
Sagkeeng First Nation
 - Nuclear Research

Page 27-Effects of Nuclear Power:
 Expert Perspectives

Page 28-Dr. Ernest Sternglass
 - Nuclear Power's Fingerprint on Human Health

Page 36-Dr. Judith Johnsrud
- The Geography of Nuclear Power

Page 41-Mary Olson
Nuclear Info & Resource Service
 - Perspectives from Washington DC

Page 44-Judy Triechel
Nevada Nuclear Waste Task Force
 -Department of Energy Responsibility

Page 47-Conclusions

Page 51-Attendees September 1995 Organizers Retreat
 -List of PIC member organizations, special guests, and affiliates





This is a text only version for this web site. Hard copy contains pictures and
diagrams.

Note:Since this report was published, Homer residents defeated the uranium
fuel plant, NSP's negotiations with the Mescalero Tribal Council have stalled
and they are now trying to work out a deal with the Skull Valley Goshute
Tribal Council, and NSP's merger with Wisconsin Electric was defeated.


Introduction
Back to Index

The following quotes are from a coded phone conversation about the first
nuclear fission chain reaction, held between Enrico Fermi's lab in Chicago and
Harvard University on December 2, 1942 (from the cover of Earth Island
Institute's "Race Poverty and Environment Journal," Spring/Summer 1995).

Lab-- "The Italian navigator has landed in The New World."

University-- "How did he find the natives?"

Lab-- "Very friendly!"

Even the very start of the nuclear industry was disrespectful to people of
color.  Now, at every link in the nuclear chain, communities of color bear a
disproportionate share of the destruction and risks associated with radiation
exposures from nuclear waste and failing nuclear technology. Minnesota based
Northern States Power Co. (NSP), a telling example, operates 2 reactors on
Prairie Island next to the Mdewakanton Dakota Reservation, near Red Wing
Minnesota.  During construction of the Prairie Island reactors, NSP sponsored
bone digs of burial mounds at the reactor site.

The continued operation of NSP's reactors, means the continued accommodation
of the entire nuclear chain, from uranium mining to reactor operation to
nuclear dumps, and all of its crises and failures. Without Nuclear Racism, NSP
and nuclear industry  profiteering could not continue.  Meanwhile, communities
of color receive a disproportionately low share of the profits and wealth
associated with the nuclear industry.

Nuclear utilities around North America, such as NSP,  are running out of space
to store nuclear waste on-site in the reactor buildings or in dry casks. The
crisis is escalated by the moral and public relations dimensions, and
technology failures.  In this mounting crisis, NSP is playing a leadership
role to accommodate the further profiteering off of the production of more
nuclear waste by targeting communities of color for storage of its nuclear
waste.  With pressures to accept nuclear facilities, community members are
often pitted against each other and other communities.

On September 11 and 12, 1995, the Prairie Island Coalition (PIC) brought
together representatives of communities of color affected by NSP's nuclear
chain at its 2nd annual organizers retreat at Wilder Forest in Marine on St.
Croix, Minnesota.  The purpose of the retreat was to educate the public about
the realities of Nuclear Racism.  The reality of Nuclear Racism was clarified
for all those who attended the retreat.  But a sense of community was also
strengthened between all who are working toward an energy transition that
includes fair and responsible management of the existing nuclear waste without
accommodating production of more.

This report examines how communities deal with the nuclear problems forced
upon them.  Representatives of the affected communities will tell their
stories.  Experts on hand at the September retreat also testify to the health,
economic, and political effects of the nuclear chain.  In the follo

[CTRL] Sending Meaning Across Epochs

1999-05-05 Thread Robert Tatman

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from http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/depts/sci07.htm

A Scientist's Notebook
by Gregory Benford


Sending Meaning Across Epochs

We read messages everywhere, even when there aren't any.
Every known culture perceives constellations and stories in the stars. We see
faces where there are none, in the chance roiling of clouds, the dark lava
features of our moon, or the erosion patterns of a mountain on Mars.

We also read buildings. No architecture stands independent of aesthetics.
"Beauty" changes with time, so that buildings once considered masterful are
often demoted and even demolished.

This High Church defense, then, depends on how long one thinks a given
cultural preference shall reign. By High Church, I mean striving to pass on
the elite culture of the time---the best art, jewelry, etc. Ruling classes do
this throughout history. Future Kilroys lie in wait to scrawl Kilroy Was Here
on the finest durable works on their time. As urban planners know, the first
signs that a neighborhood is beginning to slide are graffiti. The fact that
NASA now attaches disks loaded with signatures of the public to every outbound
spacecraft is not reassuring in this regard.

Those works considered beautiful can even ignore structural rules. The
Athenians converted a wooden temple into a stone one, disregarding the vastly
different demands of the transition, yet creating the marvel of the Parthenon.


Architecture conveys many nonverbal, or semiotic messages: consider the barred
windows of a jail versus the ornamented, status-rich windows of a Renaissance
palace. Semiotic meanings are deeply cultural and time shapes them. The
pyramids once sent a religious message, later a magical one, still later an
engineering one; today we see them mostly through a lens that combines
artistic, structural and sociological ideas.

Still, they have great power. Doomed nuclear-war survivors in Nevil Shute's On
the Beach spend their last days constructing one in the Australian desert, a
monument with no future audience, since humanity is dying; yet they build.

But some themes seem embedded even more deeply in the way we see our world.
>From the tension in a rope pulling a bucket from a well we intuit tensile
properties. These then inform our way of looking at a suspension bridge,
surely the most elegant combination of function and form in our time. Semiotic
messages satisfy us best when we understand them both structurally and
aesthetically.

A sense of wrongness can also be deeply intuitive. A tree trunk and branches
tells us, by analogy, about gravity loads in tall buildings, adding from top
to bottom. Violating this intuition brings a sense of error or ugliness. We
stand puzzled before Cretan columns, which thicken as they rise, but accept
Doric columns which are widest at the base. Cantilever beams which thin toward
the tip are right to us, while a beam broader at the tip strikes us as wrong.

The Cheops pyramid reminds us awesomely of a mountain, but a building of
inverted, truncated pyramid design says to us that some trick has been played
to give an unnatural result. We get an uneasy surprise from glimpsing one on
the horizon, of "dishonest" design.

Scale does not seem to impede semiotic messages. Spider webs and the Golden
Gate bridge alike call forth our perception of tensile structure, their
lightness striking us as obviously elegant.

Yet semiotic readings can change quickly. The Eiffel tower was vigorously
opposed and originally slated to be torn down after the exhibition it
ornamented was over. Within a generation this "monstrosity" had become the
very symbol of Paris and France itself. It attained this glory by conceding
almost nothing to decoration, revealing its sinews completely, like a vertical
suspension bridge.

Perhaps the most reliable wordless message to send across the millennia is
awe. To instill this mingling of fear and wonder leaves the visitor with a
memory free of words or detail. Though this is a High Church approach, fear
can be part of the effect: the convergence of awe with the awful. Many have
seen something fleetingly terrible in the visage of the Sphinx.

Ancient things and places hold inherent wonder for us because they speak to
deep aesthetic biases we share. The most striking of obvious markers hold a
still and subtle balance that their makers carefully shaped, speaking across
time in the language of beauty. Ancient cultures fell in line with nature,
many of their most obvious markers (pyramids, astronomically aligned henges)
comprising a vast, unvoiced aspiration to join in harmony with elemental
forces. Their stones speak to us still.

Next to the Egyptian pyramids, Stonehenge seems the best known example of
this. Somehow this ring of stones instills wonder, though at first glance it
is not very impressive to some. John Fowles in The Enigma of Stonehenge (1980)
quotes a child saying worriedly, "Why are there so many doors?" To the
untutored eye it seems easy to see in it a mere lot of do

Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] A Modest Proposal]

1999-05-05 Thread Andrew Kieran

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>Other arguments involve the use of personal firearms to ward off
>domestic tyranny.  But if a tyrant controls the most powerful
>military force on Earth, will personal firearms matter? Really?
>Again, the 2nd Amendment makes no provision for fighting tyranny,
>so such arguments are also extra-constitutional.

peaceful protest is often more successful than armed resistance.

think about it, soldiers aren't robots (although they're pretty damn
close), and it's gonna take a lot of persuasion to persuade a soldier that
shooting a large group of civilians is a good idea. sure, that nazis
managed it, but then the nazis had a ridiculous ideaology to follow and
brainwash people with. people are less likely to kill for the benefit of
some fat asshole in a suit.

the key to resisting tyranny is organisation and POPULAR revolt, not small
pockets of armed resistance, because let's face it, if they really want you
dead, all the machine guns and the pill-boxes in the world won't stop them,
they'll just drop a bomb on your stupid ass.

you should remember that the armed services is made up of people as well,
like you, and they aren't evil, if you can persuade the army not to shoot
you, then all is well, if you can't, then you've probably got the wrong
approach to resisting tyranny

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Re: [CTRL] A Modest Proposal

1999-05-05 Thread Andrew Kieran

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>At the risk of being massively flamed, I am compelled by a sense of
>intellectual honesty to propose that the time has come to repeal the Second
>Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.


risk of being massively flamed? don't you mean an ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY?

i'm sure there's a lot of people on this list that equate the idea of
giving up their guns with asking the government to shoot them in the head
or something.

this is almost like saying to america and russia in the cold war "hey guys,
relax, throw away your nukes, and everything will be ok, dude"

firearms are a problem, yes, but taking them away will achieve Sweet Fanny
Adams, maybe you should attempt to tackle the PROBLEM, and not the symptom,
when you cure a disease the symptoms will go away.

i'm sure you can understand why people want to keep guns, it makes them
feel secure, people are scared, of criminals, the government, loonies,
whatever. hardly surprising considering the massive panic over drug crime
and gangs and the like and the general image of the US (well, the one i've
always had) as an incredibly bad place to live unless you're ridiculously
rich or something

that and incidents like Waco and general US government shittyness
throughout it's entire history to anyone it doesn't agree with (ie. most
people who stop to think)

>What is at issue is not some supposed innate right to keep and bear arms. What
>is at issue is the culture of violence that puts firearms on a pedestal and
>worships them. What is at issue is the culture of violence that insists on
>"getting even" instead of resolving conflicts. Two hundred years ago, it might
>have been possible to defend yourself against an oppressive government by
>shooting the excise agent. But that just isn't possible today--nor is it
>desirable. The world is too complex a place today, and the weapons at the
>government's disposal too powerful, for so simplistic a solution to work.
>
>You have no more right to keep and bear arms than you have to own and operate
>an automobile. All property "rights" are contingent on the permission of the
>state; the state grants such rights, and the state can take away those rights
>if circumstances warrant. I submit that the time has come when we, as a
>society, can no longer afford to permit individuals to own and use firearms.
>Further, I submit that firearms manufacturers are primarily responsible for
>the *illegal* sale of firearms, and should therefore be subjected to stringent
>governmental regulation and limited to production of firearms for the armed
>services of the United States.

aye aye, so the chemist sells me some sleeping tablets and i overdose and
kill myself, is this the chemists fault? those who use the guns to hurt
people are responsible, not the manufacturers.

btw, i'm not defending the manufacturers, i personally hate anyone who will
happily make money out of manufacturing murder, that includes the WTO and
most major corporate-capitalist institutions

>If the gun lobby insists on labeling this proposal as a conspiracy to
>undermine citizens' "rights," I will respond by suggesting that the gun lobby
>itself is part of an elaborate conspiracy to undermine the lawful authority of
>the United States government, substituting the rule of force for the rule of
>law. Surely, if a secret supranational organization such as the Illuminati

the rule of law IS the rule of force. he who has the force, makes the laws.

>really exists, whose objective is to submerge all national identities in a
>global culture, eliminating national governments in favor of a strengthened
>United Nations, then they would choose to work *not* through the Federal
>government...but through organizations and individuals who want to weaken the
>U.S. government to the point where it effectively no longer exists. Such a
>conspiracy would be much more likely to use a group like the NRA or the
>Libertarian Party than the FBI or the BATF as its instrument.

the libertarian party being used by evil-conspiracy-people?
surely not, aren't liberals, like, nice and stuff?
i suppose the politicians have managed to mutilate the meaning of that word
as well then.

>Let me repeat my proposal: the time has come to repeal the Second Amendment to
>the United States Constitution. Doing so would demonstrate more clearly than
>any other possible action that the people of the United States have genuinely
>grown up, that we are now mature enough that we do not need the crutch of
>firearms to maintain our self-esteem.

and we'll do it with cars and mobile phones instead like everyone else. and
people get killed on the road, but that's ok, because that's only idiots

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-05 Thread Das GOAT

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In a message dated 99-05-05 07:51:51 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>We shall soon see who among us is masturbating. It won't be a pleasant
>sight.  I have heard rumors that Ayn Rand is the most popular centerfold
>among degenerate capitalists. Fully clothed. I just don't get it.

Be sure to see "The Passion of Ayn Rand" coming to cable TV soon.  It
demonstrates that her political ideal --"rational selifishness"-- when
translated into the interpersonal sphere gave her the morals of an alleycat.
Apparently Bill Clinton is an Objectivist ...

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Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-05 Thread Das GOAT

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>Every man has a property in his own person. This nobody has
>any right to but himself. The labor of his body and the work
>of his hands are properly his. -- John Locke, 1690

I'm waiting for someone to claim that the "property" owned by Capitalists is
"theirs" by virtue of being "the work of their own hands."  Give me one
example of Capital Assets --factories, industrial machinery, etc-- that was
not secured with BORROWED money and paid off by profits from the work of
OTHER PEOPLE's hands, i.e., labor which the Capitalist didn't perform.  Can
Capitalism exist without BANKS and the Stock Market?

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #2

1999-05-05 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 990505b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Dolly goes to market - Future medicine? Cells and even body parts grown to
order. (BBC) The US biotechnology company, Geron, has acquired the rights to
the technology used to clone Dolly the sheep. They intend to combine it with
their expertise in cell technology to clone patients' cells for transplant.
If successful, this would enable "spare parts" to be used to treat diseases
such as strokes, Alzheimer's disease and muscular dystrophy. Stock'em up -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_335000/335870.stm

@ Links: BBSRC: http://www.bbsrc.ac.uk/
@ Roslin Institute: http://www.ri.bbsrc.ac.uk/
@ Geron Corporation: http://www.geron.com/

: What spare parts of yourself would you like to have cloned? Could you use
a spare brain, pancreas, heart, testicle, ovary? Should clones be implanted?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

*** Dinosaurs grew wings but why? (AP) - The ancestors of birds may have
evolved wings not for flying but for running faster, suggests a study that
may answer a key question about origins of bird flight. Many scientists feel
birds descended from two-legged dinosaurs like Velociraptor, featured in
"Jurassic Park." The problem has been explaining how the clawed dinosaur
forelimbs developed into the wings of the first known bird, Archaeopteryx,
which lived 140 million to 150 million years ago. Some of these dinosaurs
must have had limbs that resembled wings, but not enough to allow them to
fly. If they couldn't fly with them, why have wings? See
http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559437392-ed9

: Would you run faster with or without wings? How would you like to evolve?
Does your belief system accept evolution? Will your faith evolve? Into what?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# THANKS BUT NO TO GENETIC TESTING. More than 200 people who are at-risk for
hereditary colon cancer turned down the opportunity for genetic testing.
This Georgetown U. study illustrates why genetic testing like this needs to
be accompanied by counseling that addresses the psychological factors
involved in testing, such as fear of genetic discrimination and loss of
privacy. http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=12013

: Who should look at your genes? Are you concerned about genetic privacy?
- -
*** Clinton proposes privacy controls. WASHINGTON (AP) - Contending many
privacy laws have been overtaken by the information age, President Clinton
urged Congress to bolster the rights of consumers when banks and other
financial companies seek to share or sell information about them.
http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559426499-dcf

: Who should look at your financial/personal data? Have you been violated?
- -
*** Gore announces Internet safety plan. DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) Major U.S.
Internet companies have agreed to offer parents faster access to technology
allowing them to control and monitor children's on-line habits, VP Al Gore
said. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559428513-d8d

: Who should control online access? Does data access relate to mind control?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Aryan Nations Beliefs. WE BELIEVE in the preservation of our Race,
indiv-idually and collectively, as a people as demanded and directed by
Yahweh. WE BELIEVE our Racial Nation has a right and is under obligation to
preserve itself and its members. WE BELIEVE that Adam, man of Genesis, is
the placing of the White Race upon this earth. Not all races descend from
Adam. Adam is the father of the White Race only. WE BELIEVE that there is a
day of reck-oning.
http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/aryan0219.html

: Does your belief system grant you superiority and dominion over others? If
you turn out to not be superior, does this damage your belief system? How?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SansComment:

*** Racists convicted of murderous plot. LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) - Two white
supremacists accused of plotting to set up a whites-only republic in the
Pacific Northwest were convicted of murder, conspiracy and racketeering.
http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559426440-edc

*** Turkey lawmaker with scarf to return. ISTANBUL (AP) Turkey's first law-
maker to wear an Islamic head scarf to Parliament said she will return and
take her oath despite being booed out during swearing-in. Merve Kavakci
wears a scarf because of her faith, but Turkey's establishment sees head
scarves as a political statement defying the nation's secular principles.
http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559426222-068

*** Iranian hard-liners losing battle. DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) The
hard-line clergy that has wielded absolute power in Iran for 20 years is
losing a power struggle against reformists fighting for greater democracy.
http

[CTRL] Signs of Impending Psychiatric Crisis Often Missed

1999-05-05 Thread Robert Tatman

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"At least one-third of the patients in these diagnostic groups had been
psychotic 'for a long time.' ... They were not brought to the emergency
department until they exhibited overtly dangerous or socially unacceptable
behavior, such as attacking others, talking to voices, removing their clothes
in public, or claiming to be possessed by aliens."
===
Signs of Impending Psychiatric Crisis Often Missed
Mary Ann Moon, Contributing Writer
[Clinical Psychiatry News 27(4):28, 1999. © 1999 International Medical News
Group.]



--

Washington -- Many of the adolescents and young adults admitted for
psychiatric emergencies in one large study showed symptoms for months or even
years preceding the crisis but were never treated.

"More attention must be paid to those [adolescents] who exhibit subtle signs
of mental illness," Janet Lavelle said at the annual meeting of the American
Public Health Association.

"Earlier identification and treatment of adolescents and young adults will
reduce hospital admissions and will make the initial treatment contact less
traumatic an event than hospital admission," said Ms. Lavelle, a research
social worker at the State University of New York in Stony Brook.

She and her associates studied a countywide sample of 675 adolescent and adult
subjects admitted to hospitals for psychosis. Diagnoses included
schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, major depression, and drug-induced psychosis.

Only the patients with bipolar disorder had an acute symptom onset, typically
1 week to 1 month in duration, Ms. Lavelle said.

Most others had significant symptoms for months and sometimes for years before
their crisis, and 60% of them had never received treatment for their
condition.

At least one-third of the patients in these diagnostic groups had been
psychotic "for a long time."

They were not brought to the emergency department until they exhibited overtly
dangerous or socially unacceptable behavior, such as attacking others, talking
to voices, removing their clothes in public, or claiming to be possessed by
aliens.

"Our next step is to look closely at why these people aren't getting mental
health services when their symptoms are more manageable.

Is their behavior so subtle that teachers, doctors, and parents are all
missing it? That's doubtful," she said in an interview with Clinical
Psychiatry News.


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[CTRL] Tornados as Weather Weapon?****

1999-05-05 Thread Steve Wingate

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Gnocci's Tornado wrote:

It seems that the Kosovo crisis is taking an unexpected turn. There
are indications that a meteorological weaponry that Russians call
MTVR-1 is currently in use to create atmospherics disturbances over
the U.S.

It seems that the Pentagon is panicking, and Clinton is even talking
about halting the air strike against Yugoslavia!? There was a web site
about
this
weapon, I can't speak Russian but [what] I understood is that it does
not
need to
be applied over the region one wants to attack and that [it] is not
controllable.

  It is tornado season in the united states of medium tactical vehicle
replacements (MTVR)

http://www.house.gov/hasc/billsandreports/105thcongress/hr3616committe
erep
or t/title1.htm

  Secret Rulers Control America's Weather

  A weather modification Grid System has been set up by the Elite One
  World Government of an astonishingly advanced nature. The Grid System
  consists of three enormous underwater cables laid along the continental
  shelf of our East, West and Gulf Coasts (the latter from Florida to
  Texas.) Each cable is powered by an underground nuclear power plant
and
  can be made positive or negative relative to Earth. The power plants act
  like a giant battery; one pole grounded to Earth and the other to the
  cables.

  The effect of these three grid cables along the coasts is to create
electrical
  fields which span the continent of the United States. These power fields
  control electrical charges in the upper atmosphere producing jet-stream
  shifts. Experiments are conducted with the cable set at either a
  positive or a negative potential, and also alternating from positive to
  negative. What is going on now is weather warfare, and the era of
  weather strategy is underway. The Russians also have weather control,
  making use of their formidable cosmospheres (massive antigravity
  spacecrafts), which is more localized, but much of what has been
  happening more recently has been due to the secret government. These
two
  factions are in competition for control of America's weather with the
  purpose of world domination.
  http://www.esotericworldnews.com/weather.htm

  --

  HAARP, Weather War, And EMF Mind Control
  From James Shannon
Author Uncertain
  Dec. 23, 1997

  In May of 1988, I wrote an article for the Canadian Intelligence
  Service headed "Weather War?"

  The preamble written by the editor said this: "Her story, indeed, is
  'stranger than fiction.' And it's only the beginning, the first glimpse
  of a new and uncertain factor in human affairs, opening up unimagined
  physical possibilities - but also threatening our very survival."

  Those words were indeed prophetic. Advanced technology based on
  the original works of Nikola Tesla is being developed at an alarming
  rate. This discoverer of alternating current power source and
  transmission system (among other accomplishments was a genius before
his
  time. In spite of this, his name is unfamiliar to most because soon
  after his death in 1943 his data was removed from libraries and his only
  claim to fame now is the Tesla Coil. He hoped his discoveries would be
  used for peaceful, life-enhancing purposes.)

  While traveling in Alaska in the summer of 1994, we visited the
  Copper Valley area hoping to explore the old mines. A large
  intimidating sign blocked all access to this region. I didn't think too
  much of it at the time, however I later learned of a highly secret
  project being constructed there and was able to locate a book published
  in Alaska discussing the HAARP system, that being an acronym for
  High-frequency Active Auroral Research Project.

  The authors of "Angels Don't Play This HAARP" base their
  information on documents they were able to view which came out of
  secret meeting of the U.S. Government and the U.S. Military.
  HAARP is a ground-based "Star Wars" weapon which has the
  capability to manipulate the environment in such a way as to change
  weather patterns, disrupt global communications systems, disrupt human
  mental processes, negatively affect health, and impact the Earth's upper
  atmosphere in an unnatural and damag

Re: [CTRL] Tornados as Weather Weapon?****

1999-05-05 Thread Steve Wingate

This is an image of the jetstream after the killer tornados formed.

Steve

On 5 May 99, at 12:46, Gnocci's Tornado wrote:

> These 'Tesla' transmitters create massive 'standing' ELF waves that form
> major high pressure 'blocking systems' that change the normal high
> altitude jet stream pattern, force it to the north, and actually retard
> the normal flow patterns of incoming weather systems. Ever notice the
> television weather satellite pictures showing the jet stream pushed north
> and a big stationary high pressure blocking nearly every major rain system
> that approaches the southern half of California?...



Steve Wingate

California Director
SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL

ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES
http://www.anomalous-images.com


 jetmap+080530131361.gif


Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] A Modest Proposal]

1999-05-05 Thread Teo One Thousand

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In a message dated 5/5/99 11:33:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Teo, my response is simple: you cannot shoot someone without a firearm. I
> know
>  that murder, assault, armed robbery, etc., are perfectly possible without
>  guns...but they are *much* deadlier when committed with a gun. One of the
>  deepest roots of our culture of violence is the assumption that each person
>  has the right to be armed. If we are to change our culture to one that
> affirms
>  life across the board, affirms true freedom, affirms the right of each
> person
>  to seek happiness in his or her own way...if we are, in short, to turn
> America
>  in a completely new direction, that *cannot* be accomplished without
> removing
>  the threat posed by virtually uncontrolled private ownership of firearms.
I
> do
>  know how to shoot--and precisely for that reason I feel a hell of a lot
> safer
>  when there are no firearms around.
>
>  Bob

A well reasoned proposal, but unfortunately not one likely to work.  The
affirmation of life in all its aspects is essential to stopping the
degradation that we as a society face.
I agree with you on your aims but disagree on the methods.  To change the
culture one must change the minds of the people.  Positive influence is
sorely needed and sorely lacking, thus we are where we are.
Teo1000

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Re: [CTRL] KLA Funding Tied to Heroin Profits

1999-05-05 Thread Colleen Jones

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If you want to have some fun sometime, go as my old friend did prior to
her death and watch the red sails in the sunset and some of the landing
strips around Floridathe big beautiful provate estates which have
their own landing strips and docks..no big major busts recently,
wonder why.

My friend worked on one drug bust, a big ship named the RIO; I had found
someting that led me to the name BRIO; but she figured out RIOwell,
big drug bust over $120 million, and this was nearly 20 years ago.  She
was taken to a dinner at St. Croix in appreciation; she then wrote to
tell me that upon her return, a Deputy Sheriff at Melbourne Beach
Florida, whom she knew, called upon her and threatened herhe, of
course, did not know he was dealing with MI6..later other things
happened but when she got into th drug scenario, suddenly she was in
dangerher last communication to me stated she was going back to
England...had sent everything to the Prime Ministerand then, she
died - after her death, her son told me there were all kinds of people
there trying to get her stuff.

Sowhere have all the big busts gone.where have all the drugs
gone.are they now being channeled out to other countriesJust Say
No...how sickening can one getJust Say No, when movies, television,
and our government sponsors the use of drugs.

You would be surprised who lives in some of these homes in
Florida.used to be when there would be a drug bus of great
magnitude, certain stocks would fluctuate downward.I used to call
these guys the Boys from Apollo.Apollo, was born on the Isle of
Delo.you figure that one out.
Colleen

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Re: [CTRL] KLA Funding Tied to Heroin Profits

1999-05-05 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

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--
> From: Prudence L. Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] KLA Funding Tied to Heroin Profits
> Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 3:53 AM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 05/03/1999 11:34:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> <<
>  The Kosovo Liberation Army, which the Clinton administration has
>  embraced and some members of Congress want to arm as part of the
>  NATO bombing campaign, is a terrorist organization that has financed
>  much of its war effort with profits from the sale of heroin. Recently
> obtained
>  intelligence documents show that drug agents in five countries,
including
>  the United States, believe the KLA has aligned itself with an extensive
>  organized crime network centered in Albania that smuggles heroin and
>  some cocaine to buyers throughout Western Europe and, to a lesser
>  extent, the United States. >>
>
> Yeah, one has only to look at Albania and Yugoslavia (past and present
> geography) to see that what we have here is an area enriched by drug
trade.
> Give me a break.  Prudy

Prudy,

Kosovo is rich in poppy fields.  The flowers are indigenous to the area and
grow like weeds.

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]]

1999-05-05 Thread Robert Tatman

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Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The rights, privileges, and obligations of any corporation or individual
> are determined by the society in which they reside, and may be codified
> as laws, or exist more informally as mores, customs, morals, etc.  Most
> societies establish [incorporate] governmental bodies as surrogates for
> the society as a whole.  A favorite pastime of people is forming new
> govt's; when the US west was settled, as soon as more than a handful of
> people lived in an area, they'd hold town meetings, organize a gov't,
> choose officers, and proceed to the fun of political squabbling.  It's
> one of the great entertainments of humanity, almost as much fun as war.
>
Case in point: when William Penn established his personal fiefdom of
Pennsylvania in the 1680's, he deliberately omitted a formal government for
the new city of Philadelphia. His rationale was simple: he wanted to spare his
colonists (or tenants) the temptations to corruption and abuse of power that
were rampant in contemporary European civic "corporations." Very rapidly,
however, the residents of the new city rebelled against this restriction--not
least because the entire colony was run as a personal estate by the
Proprietor, Penn himself--and forced Penn to grant them the Charter of
Liberties, which among other things created a European-style corporation to
run Philadelphia. As history has amply shown, of course, Penn had been
entirely correct when he predicted corruption and abuse of power as
concomitants of city government...

Bob



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[CTRL] NASA WORKING TO IMPROVE CRIME-SCENE TECHNOLOGIES

1999-05-05 Thread ric carter

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On 4 May 1999 17:47:12 GMT, in alt.paranet.ufo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(CircusMan) wrote:

Michael Braukus
Headquarters, Washington, DC   May 4, 1999
(Phone: 202/358-1979)

Ed Medal
Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, AL
(Phone: 256/544-0034)

Lynn Jenner
Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD
(Phone: 301/286-0045)

Doug Johnson
Department of Justice, Washington, DC
(Phone: 202/307-0703)

RELEASE: 99-54

NASA WORKING TO IMPROVE CRIME-SCENE TECHNOLOGIES

 Watch out, America's most wanted.  NASA scientists are
developing promising new software technologies and instruments to
help law enforcement agencies catch criminals by improving the
analysis of crime-scene evidence.

 NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, AL, has
demonstrated software that enhances and improves dark, blurry
videotape -- technology used by law enforcement to study video of
the bombing at the1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta.  And NASA's
Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, MD, is working with the
National Institute of Justice to develop remote crime-scene
analysis.

  Goddard and the National Institute of Justice will study how
remote-sensing technology -- used to study everything from crops
on Earth to galaxies millions of light-years away -- might allow
investigators in a central location to study a distant crime
scene. Criminologists may be able to identify everything from
fingerprints to gunpowder residue without disturbing a crime
scene, preserving the chain of evidence while saving time and
money.

 In the Goddard study, a group of forensic scientists and law-
enforcement specialists will use instruments from NASA's Near
Earth Asteroid Rendezvous spacecraft to scan a crime scene. The
data can then be transferred to a remote location, allowing crime
experts to study a crime scene from anywhere in the world.

 "This centralized type of crime scene examination could also
be of great importance to smaller cities and regions that do not
have the monetary resources for high-tech equipment and
personnel," said Institute Director Jeremy Travis.  "The central
monitoring area would provide expertise to an entire region of the
country, not just larger cities."

 The NASA partnership with the National Institute of Justice
"can have a major impact on the criminal justice system," said Dr.
Jacob Trombka, a scientist in Goddard's Laboratory for
Extraterrestrial Physics.

  While scientists at Goddard develop remote crime-scene
technology, their colleagues at Marshall Space Flight Center have
taken software -- used by NASA to improve video for shuttle
launches and weather images -- and applied it to dark, nighttime
video used by police.  When applied to video of the bombing at the
1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta, the software clarified handheld
camcorder video, revealing important details that had been
obscured.

 The NASA video software "has the potential to stabilize
images so that criminals and other important clues can be
identified, even in blurred images," said Dr. Arsev H. Eraslan,
chief scientist of both the NASA National Technology Transfer
Center and the Office of Law Enforcement Technology and
Commercialization, Wheeling, WV.

  NASA's video stabilization system has many advantages over
other systems being studied because it does more than just remove
static from videos.

  "It's like a video eraser," said Marshall's Dr. David
Hathaway, one of the technology's inventors.  "It removes defects
due to image jitter, image rotation and image zoom in video
sequences."

  Once NASA's new software improves the video quality,
existing software can sharpen and "de-blur" images, further
enhancing video clarity.

 "This technology has the potential to become a part of many
products, from those used by everyday Americans to those used by
sophisticated security and video production companies," said
Hathaway.

  Marshall's Technology Transfer Office is working with the
inventors to license the technology so industry can turn it into a
commercial product.


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[CTRL] Klintoon: 'I Believe In Killing People Who Try To Hurt You.' [gotta read]

1999-05-05 Thread Peter L. Sroufe

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Clinton: 'I Believe In Killing People Who Try To Hurt You.'
Progressive Review
April 6, 1999

The "leader of the free world" waxing oh so eloquently:
"'We're not inflicting pain on these fuckers,' Clinton said, softly at
first. 'When people kill us, they should be killed in greater numbers.'
Then, with his face reddening, his voice rising, and his fist pounding his
thigh, he leaned into Tony [Lake], as if it was his fault. 'I believe in
killing people who try to hurt you. And I can't believe we're being pushed
around by these two-bit pricks.'"

-- George Stephanopoulos writing about the Somalia crisis in "All Too
Human," page 214
(from Sam Smith's "Undernews" of 4/6/99)
 http://38.201.154.103/articles/?a=1999/4/13/74012


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[CTRL] Hollywood conspiracy?!

1999-05-05 Thread Yardbird

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Where has the voice of Hollywood liberalism gone during the war in Kosovo?
Where is that actress from "Superman" who tried so very hard to be the new
Jane Fonda during the Gulf War?
Where is Susan Sarandon and her husband... what's-his-name?
Why isn't Woody Harrelson screaming bloody murder?

Of course the Gulf War was the bastard spawn of a Republican president so
I'm thinking, and call me conspiracy minded if you will, that Hollywood
liberals don't object to dirty little wars when a Democrat, who also
happens to be a fawning simp of Hollywood's cult of celebritydom, chooses
to wage one.

Jamieson

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[CTRL] Flameing OPPT articles -- I ask Dioxin connection?

1999-05-05 Thread 1lls0081

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Comments by me on selected articles appearing in:

OPPT NEWSBREAKTuesday 4 May 1999


Today's "Toxic News for the Net"
  Brought to you by the OPPTS Chemical Library
http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/oppt_nb.txt

"Frogs in the Balance [Editorials]."  Washington Times, 4 May 99,
A18.
  The WT comments on the recent Science Magazine studies
 attributing deformed frogs to parasitic infections, rather
 than "the usual suspects in cases like this: global warming,
 pesticides, ozone depletion, the Reagan tax cuts."  The
 Times describes the process of how the trematode parasites
 cause limb deformities in frogs, and concludes with comments
 on how the alarm over the deformed frogs probably
 unecessarily "diverted scarce tax dollars from more pressing
 problems to handling out bottled water and aggravated an
 anti-technology bias in some quarters of this country that
 ignores its past benefits as well as those yet to come."

==After reading what I have sent today about Dioxins
This seems to be a bit hard to believe.==


BIOTECHNOLOGY

"Experimental Vaccine Cuts Ear Infections In Young Children."
Wall Street Journal, 4 May 99, A4.
  Researchers from the Kaiser Permanente Vaccine Study Center
 will present findings from their three-year study of a
 vaccine that attacks the bacteria active in childhood ear
 infections, streptococcus pneumoniae, at the Pediatric
 Academic Societies meeting in San Francisco today.  The
 '"breakthrough"', controlled study of more than 38,000
 children showed that the vaccine is not only significant in
 reducing bouts of ear infections in children but also helps
 battle antibiotic resistance, a problem often encountered
 with this particular bacterium.  The vaccine, which is being
 developed by the Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories unit of American
 Home Products Corp., will be submitted for FDA approval.

== Do we mention the fact that
Monsanto tried to buy American Home Products
and IF American Home Products realize the
possibility that Monsanto's bovine growth
hormone in milk (which requires the escalated
use of antibiotics) could be helping ear
infections to happen?==


"Arthritis-Drug Ads Won't Name Product." Wall Street Journal, 4
May 99, B13.
  Without mentioning the drug's name, a television ad campaign
 will begin tomorrow on CBS for the new arthritis drug
 Celebrex, marketed by Monsanto's G.D. Searle pharmaceuticals
 unit.  By not mentioning the products' specific name, as is
 becoming the trend in new drug advertisements, advertisers
 avoid having to mention the drug's side effects, which, in
 the case of Celebrex, include "potentially fatal bleeding
 ulcers".  Until a Celebrex-specific advertisement is
 released later this year, viewers will be be given an 800
 number to call for information.

== does anyone want to think about the fact that
one of the symptoms of aspartame poisoning is
arthritis? and that Monsanto makes a significant
amount of aspartame, held the patent till the time
expired recently.
Now this company wants to control the water supply?==

==this articles that I have done
comments on are from the EPA???  Just
trying to give views from the other side.==

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[CTRL] Klintoon/Algore "Chinagate espionage the worst...." [must read]

1999-05-05 Thread Peter L. Sroufe

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Saturday May 1, 1:40 PM

Spies for Clinton?

Rep. Norm Dicks, the ranking Democrat on the Cox Committee, calls Chinagate
espionage the worst breach of U.S. security since CIA master-spy Aldrich
Ames was caught selling secrets to the KGB in the early 90's.

With many suspecting a link between Chinese donations to the Democratic
Party and America's nuclear secrets slipping out the back door, it's funny
Rep. Dicks should mention Mr. Ames. Perhaps the congressman doesn't recall
that Ames, too, had a rather interesting record of political contributions.

According to Federal Election Commission documents, Aldrich Ames made his
first $1,500 donation to the Democratic National Committee in September
1991; the same month Bill Clinton announced his candidacy for president. The
super-spy followed with another $1,000 the month after Clinton placed second
in the New Hampshire primary.

And in July 1992, the month the Democrats actually nominated the Arkansas
governor for president, Ames kicked in another $2,500 to the cause.

NewsMax.com's Carl Limbacher first uncovered the super-spy's history of
financial support for Clinton in 1997 at the height of the DNC's mad
scramble to give back illegal contributions from their foreign donors.

When the Ames-DNC donations surfaced, Landmark Legal Foundation's Mark Levin
quipped to the Washington Times, "What's the DNC going to do with the
money -- return it to the KGB?"
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover.shtml

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[CTRL] A Tale of Two 'Rapes'

1999-05-05 Thread Peter L. Sroufe

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Sunday May 2, 2:02 PM

A Tale of Two 'Rapes'

What do Sherife Alickaj and Juanita Broaddrick have in common? Both say they
were physically over-powered and then raped by men currently on opposite
sides of America's Kosovo conflict.

In Saturday's New York Times, Alickaj identified her rapist as an unnamed
Serbian policeman -- in the first firsthand account bolstering rumors that
Serbs have been methodically brutalizing Kosovar women as part of a campaign
of ethnic cleansing.

Broaddrick's has identified her rapist as President Clinton, the very same
person who has rushed U.S. warplanes into the Balkans to the defend Alickaj
and her countrymen against Serbian atrocities.

But note the difference in New York Times coverage of the Alickaj and
Broaddrick allegations. Saturday's page A8 headline prominently displayed
the "R" word: "An Albanian Tells How Serbs Chose Her, 'the Most Beautiful,'
for Rape".

The Times coverage of Broaddrick's allegation was much more hesitant,
beginning with its page A16, Feb. 24 headline, "On Tortuous Route, Sexual
Assault Accusation Against Clinton Resurfaces".

Alickaj told the Times that she and five female friends were intercepted by
two Serbian policemen after fleeing their apartment in Pristina. The guards
escorted them back home, where they were strip searched. Alickaj was
isolated then told by a guard, "We are letting the other girls go because
you are the most beautiful." Then the sexual attack occurred.

Alickaj's unsworn account was backed by two of her friends interviewed by
the Times, which gave a thoroughly unskeptical presentation of her story.

Broaddrick, who also had supporting witnesses, came under much tighter
scrutiny by the Times; in a story that ran only after it appeared elsewhere
in the prestige print press.

"The problems with Mrs. Broaddrick's accusation are obvious," explained the
Times. "There is no physical evidence to verify it. No one else was present
during the alleged encounter in a Little Rock hotel room nearly 21 years
ago." And motives were important too, as the Times pointed out,
"(Broaddrick's) accusation has long been fodder for Mr. Clinton's legal and
political opponents."

But wait. Doesn't Ms. Alickaj's allegation suffer from the same problems?
There's no physical evidence of her month-old attack. She was assaulted only
after her Serbian tormentor had removed witnesses from the room. And Alickaj
and her friends are proud Albanians who evidently hate the Serbs, motive
enough to perhaps exaggerate or even fabricate such an explosive charge.

In fact, both Alickaj and the Times are guilty of gross exaggeration in this
report. Only near the end, after the paper screamed "Rape" in it's headline
and cited the word repeatedly throughout the text, does the reader learn
that no such thing actually happened to the 18 year-old Albanian woman:

"The officer, Ms. Alickaj said, then forced her to perform oral sex. 'I was
lucky not to be raped in another way because I was having my period,' she
said."

Raped in another way? According to several dictionaries we consulted,
heterosexual rape is defined exclusively as forcible sexual intercourse,
i.e., coitus -- which did happen to Juanita Broaddrick, but not to Sherife
Alickaj.

With the new expanded definition of the "R" word here, Inside Cover wonders
if Paula Jones would have gotten more favorable treatment from the Times and
other press organs had she complained, perhaps, of attempted rape?
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover.shtml
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"Anyone who defends Clinton might as well hold down a woman while he rapes
her."
--- Cheryl Enyart
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[CTRL] Jesse's P.O.W. 'Coup'

1999-05-05 Thread Peter L. Sroufe

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Tuesday May 4, 12:01 AM

Jesse's P.O.W. 'Coup'

The Rev. Jesse Jackson has succeeded where all others had failed,
miraculously securing the release this past weekend of three American G.I.
hostages held captive by Slobodan Milosevic since March 31.

Though the results achieved by Jackson are no doubt the most welcome
development yet of Bill Clinton's Balkan War, Inside Cover wonders just how
big a diplomatic coup this really was.

A quick review of last month's news reports reveals that as far back as
three weeks ago freedom for Sgt. Andrew Ramirez, Sgt. Christopher Stone, and
Spec. Steven Gonzales seemed very close indeed.

Though it's been forgotten in the sea of praise for Jackson's efforts, on
April 8 the New York Times reported that Cypriot President Spyros Kyprianou
had already worked out a deal for the release of the three Americans; an
agreement which apparently had Milosevic's blessing:

"On Tuesday, Mr. Kyprianou received word from the Yugoslav Embassy in
Nicosia that his plan to bring the three servicemen out of their
imprisonment in Belgrade had been approved," the Times reported.

And lest there be any doubt that the deal was done, Cypriot Ambassador to
Washington Kozakou-Marcoullis added, "Mr. Kyprianou is not going (to
Belgrade) to negotiate their release but only to pick them up on a
humanitarian mission."

In fact, peace seemed to be breaking out all over that first week in April,
with the Times noting, "If Mr. Milosevic releases the soldiers, it would be
his second peace gesture of the week. On Tuesday he announced a cease-fire
that was rejected by NATO."

So then, what happened to postpone the release of our P.O.W.'s till Rev.
Jackson arrived on the scene?

Evidently NATO (with the Clinton White House at the helm) wasn't quite ready
to see Ramirez, Stone and Gonzales freed. The night before Kyprianou's
visit, U.S. warplanes were ordered to bomb the daylights out of Belgrade,
inflicting the heaviest damage of the war to date.

Suprise, suprise. The next day Slobo was in no mood to do the U.S. any
favors and Kyprianou's mission collapsed in failure.

The Cypriot President minced no words about who was to blame, telling the
Times on April 10, "From the moment I announced my initiative to undertake
this purely humanitarian mission for the release of the three Americans, the
bombings were intensified." In short, Kyprianou blamed the U.S. for
sabotaging the deal.

The next month, who should turn up to replace Kyprianou as liberator and
hero but Rev. Jackson, to whom Mr. Clinton owes much for his support
throughout the year of Monicagate and impeachment. This time the White House
did nothing to torpedo freedom for the G.I.'s.

Apparently, Mr. Milosevic decided three weeks ago that keeping our soldiers
captive did little to advance his interests. It's good to see that Mr.
Clinton has finally arrived at the same position.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover.shtml

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[CTRL] Dioxin - Defination of Higher life forms - acidophilus

1999-05-05 Thread 1lls0081

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pesticides
It appears that the word
pesticides should be changed
to penis-cides.

Does someone know the status of
the Oriental ban on tampons?  Do tampons
(this is a ficisous question)
still contain Dioxins, what about diapers?

04:20 PM ET 05/04/99
Dioxin Exposure Linked to Cancer
http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559425333-2a0

#594 (04/16/98): Missing Boys
http://www.monitor.net/rachel/r594.html

#555 (07/17/97): Dioxin in Chicken and Eggs
http://www.monitor.net/rachel/r555.html

---
"Be fruitful and multiply, replenish the earth, and
subdue it, and have dominion over all creation."  Genesis 1:28

Do White Tailed Deer choose for survival of the fittest?
Looks like they will eat themselves out of a food supply
without predators.

Do Mountain Lions choose for survival of the fittest?
Just because the choose for survival of the strongest
does not mean that they choose for survival of the fittest?
Just because some predators like this will be cannibalistic
does not mean that they choose for survival of the fittest.
-Do Mountain Lions or other predators have control or
dominion over their environment?
Why do they have to go cannibalistic?

What separates us from animals?
Just some questions.  Before replying
read
White, James.  Major Operation.  Ballantine NY.  1971
How would you define a food animal from an intelligent
being after reading this?
I will not reply on a biblical standpoint.  Read the book and then
see what you want to say.
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[CTRL] Klintoon/Algore White House's shenanigans in Sudan

1999-05-05 Thread Peter L. Sroufe

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Bombing for Dollars?

Newsday's Alvin Bessent smells a rat behind the recent relaxation of U.S.
trade restrictions on pharmaceutical supplies against rogue states like the
Sudan.

"Marketing opportunities there got a huge boost in August when the United
States, in a righteous huff over terrorist attacks on U.S. embassies in
Africa, used cruise missiles to take out the local competition," notes
Bessent in the paper's usually Clinton-friendly "Asides" column.

Bessent reports that even respected American scientists have now concluded
that the pretext for bombing Sudan's Al Shifa pharmaceutical factory was
completely bogus. White House National Security spinmeister Sandy Berger had
unconvincingly contended for months that the Clinton CIA had solid evidence
the plant was making deadly nerve gas components.

"Now with a nudge from pharmaceutical and farm lobbies that give generously
to political campaigns," Bessent writes, "Bill Clinton has decided that
relaxing sanctions enough to allow them to sell food and drugs to nations
suspected of supporting terrorism is the right thing to do."

"Actually, it is," concludes the writer. "But certainly in this new world
order, where free trade is king, there must be some rule against bombing
your way into a larger market share."

Inside Cover extends get well wishes to Mr. Bessent's liberal Newsday
colleagues, like editorial page editor Jim Klurfeld and Clinton butt-girl
columnist Marie Cocco, who must have keeled over when they read Bessent's
common sense appraisal of the White House's shenanigans in Sudan.


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[CTRL] Tornado Unearths [Klintoon] Troopergate Trooper

1999-05-05 Thread Peter L. Sroufe

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 With NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...

Wednesday May 5, 6:32 AM

Tornado Unearths Troopergate Trooper

Who was that dapper gentleman in the FEMA cap being interviewed by FOX News
Channel's Shepard Smith Tuesday night about the tornado that swept through
Kansas and Oklahoma?

Why it was none other than Raymond "Buddy" Young, who was appointed regional
director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency by President Clinton in
1993.

However, Clinton scandal buffs might better remember Young in his previous
incarnation -- as the onetime chief of Clinton's Arkansas security detail
who was accused by colleagues of using threats and other inducements to win
their silence about the president's sexcapades.

Indeed, Mr. Young's most memorable TV appearance came in 1993 when, during
an on-camera ABC News interview about charges Clinton had used his trooper
bodyguards to procure women, Young took a call from chief White House damage
controller Bruce Lindsey.

"Buddy, this is Bruce," Lindsey began in a tone that suggested the two knew
each other well. Then Lindsey explained that Young would be needed shortly
to do Troopergate spin for an upcoming CNN interview.

When Young mentioned that ABC News cameras were rolling as they spoke,
Lindsey quickly hustled himself off the line. Young neglected to tell
Lindsey that he'd taken the call on speakerphone, and that every word was
picked up by ABC microphones.

Troopers Danny Ferguson and Roger Perry told the press that they'd been
offered federal jobs to keep Clinton's secrets but didn't bite. For his
efforts, Mr. Young was awarded a FEMA position at a starting salary of
$93,000, where he now overseas federal relief for disasters like Monday's
devastating tornado strike.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover.shtml

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[CTRL] Just Say No to the War on Drugs

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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Just Say No to the War on
Drugs

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Subject: Just Say No to the War on Drugs
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Ejercito)
Date: Mon, May 3, 1999 7:42 AM
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   Someone once said,"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to
repeat it." It seems that we are repeating history today. Most of our
politicians and lobbyists have not learned from history. They continue to
support a policy that had failed once before. This government policy costs
over thirty billion dollars and has disastrous consequences. This policy
is the War on Drugs .

   In 1919,the eighteenth amendment to the United States Constitution was
ratified,which outlawed liquor. The people who supported this hoped it
would stop alcohol abuse. The results were disastrous. These
laws,collectively known as Prohibition,were largely unenforceable,because
people who wanted liquor could get it. Government agents who were assigned
to enforce Prohibition took bribes. Gangs received huge profits from the
sale of illegal liquor. Rivalries between liquor sellers resulted in
bloodshed and violence. Finally,people had enough of Prohibition.
Prohibition was eliminated on a national scale in 1932.

But our politicians and lobbyists have not learned from history.
Today,we have the War on Drugs . And the War on Drugs  has the same
consequnces as Prohibition had. One of the consequences are the large
amounts of money being spent on enforcement. Nationally,more than thirty
billion dollars are spent enforcing drug laws. And the benefits the people
of the fruited plain get in return is, at best, marginal. Drug abuse is
still one the major problems in our countries. Entire neighborhoods are
saturated with drugs. This is what we are getting for thirty billion
dollars.

   Obviously,some of this thirty billion plus dollars is being used to
fund local police departments and the Drug Enforcement Administration. .
But money is also being spent to prosecute these cases. Prosecution of
drug cases uses up time and money. Our courts are being bogged dowen with
these drug cases. This overload in the American court system delays
trials-another cost of the War on Drugs .

   Let us not forget the resources necessary to imprison those people
convicted of drug offenses. It costs over twenty thousand dollars per year
to house a convict. And,at least sixty-one percent of federal prisoners
are serving time for non-violent drug offenses. (U.S Department of
Justice) Because of these convictions,other prisoners are being released
to make room,prisoners who committed crimes that caused direct harm to
people. (Any harm caused by drug use is indirect.) And politicians who do
not know any better want to build more prisons to house these offenders.
Building a new prison costs over one billion dollars.

   And if THAT were not enough,we also see a growth of gangs and organized
crime. Organized crime syndicates take in over SIXTY BILLION dollars,most
of it through the sale of illegal drugs. These drug lords use the money to
set up legitimate businesses,which they use to hide the true source of
their revenue. And,just as in the past,rivalries between dealers resulted
in many violent deaths. Drug-ridden neighborhoods have many killings. it
costs money to bury the dead,and it costs money to treat the wounded. This
is yet another cost of the War on Drugs .

   Most people support the War on Drugs  because they do not know any
better. One of their reasons for supporting the War on Drugs  is that
addicts commit crimes such as robbery to support their habits. But they do
not know that drug prohibition has not stopped them. And since robbery is
ALREADY illegal,the government should just enforce laws prohibiting
robbery,instead of adding another redundant law. And,of course,drug
prohibition supporters should consider the crimes committed because of
drug prohibition,as well the the other costs.

It is clear the costs of the War on Drugs  outweigh the benefits. It
is a negative-sum game. Fortuantely,many people such as myself know this
fact. California Proposition 215 was passed,even though its opponents said
there were loopholes which would allow people to get marijuana by claiming
to have a medical condition. Apparently,no one who voted YES on that
initiative cared if there were loopholes,because they knew the fallacy of
the War on Drugs . I want everyone in this country to know the fallacy of
the War on Drugs .


 Michael


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[CTRL] Fwd: [MC] PSI-TECH's Littleton mind-control op?

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan





Former (?) Defense Intelligence Agency operative Major Ed Dames [1],
involved in use of NSA "remote viewing" for spying, stated on the
Art Bell show tonight that he had lived in Littleton and was
familiar with Columbine high school.

He announced "Operation Guiding Light" (Illuminati reference?):
he's providing Psi-Tech's [2] remote-viewing course free to
Chatfield Senior High School (which he said is absorbing
former Columbine high-school students) and to other schools.

PSI-TECH has been accused of being a covert mind control/spy recruitment
program. [3, 4] If true, what does that mean for what's happening in
Littleton?



References:

[1] Dames' dubious history: http://www.io.com/~hambone/web/dames.html

[2] PSI-TECH: http://www.psitech.net/

[3] "THE CONSTANTINE REPORT No. 1: Remote Viewing at Stanford
Research Institute or Illicit CIA Mind Control Experimentation?"
THE CONSTANTINE REPORT No. 1: http://www.aimnet.com/~clay/cia.html

[4] "Ed Dames & His Cover Stories for Mind Control Experimentation, "
Alex Constantine: http://www.azstarnet.com/~freetht/dames.html









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[CTRL] Body Bags No. 1 and 2

1999-05-05 Thread Peter L. Sroufe

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First U.S. fatalities reported

Apache Helicopter Crash Kills Two
Wednesday, May 5, 1999; 2:40 a.m. EDT

BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) -- An U.S. Apache helicopter crashed Wednesday while
on a training mission near the Albanian capital, killing two crew members,
U.S. European Command said.

The AH-64 helicopter went down at 1:30 a.m. local time 47 miles northeast of
the Tirana airport, the command said in a statement issued in Stuttgart,
Germany.

Spokesmen at the NATO office in Brussels said the crash site was within
Albania's borders, near Macedonia and Yugoslavia.

The European Command statement said there were no initial indications of
hostile fire and the cause of the crash was under investigation.

The identification of the crewmen was withheld pending notification of next
of kin.

``The aircraft was conducting a training mission in support of Operation
Allied Force,'' the command said.

This was the second crash of an Apache in two weeks. Last week, another
helicopter gunship went down in flames, also while on a training mission in
Albania. Its crewmen escaped with cuts and bruises.

On Saturday, two U.S. warplanes operating over and around Yugoslavia went
down. A U.S. Marine Corps AV8B Harrier plane crashed in the Adriatic Sea
while on a training mission for operations in the Balkans. The pilot was
reported safely rescued.

Hours earlier, a U.S. F-16 fighter plane had gone down over western Serbia.
NATO said the crash was caused by engine failure, but Yugoslav authorities
claimed the jet was shot down.


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[CTRL] Fwd: The End of Buckelyism?????

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

Buckely and his brother are Skull & Bones.

Om
K



Worldnet Daily posted an article titled "The End of Buckelyism" by
Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr., president of the Ludwig von Mises, Institute in
Auburn, Alabama.   The article should be titled, "The End of [Council on
Foreign Relations member William F. Buckely's]  Buckelyism?"

The article does a good job showing how under "Buckley's guidance,
right-wing politics mutated from its ancient faith in limiting government
at home and abroad into a new faith that elevated as its central principles
anti-Sovietism and support for the huge military and spying apparatus
supposedly needed to combat an impoverished Russia." The article does a
good job showing how Buckley helped subvert the conservative movement by
silencing  men like John T. Flynn ( author of The Roosevelt Myth and As We
Go Marching), and Bruce Porter (author of War and the Rise of the State)
who doubted the merits of the warfare state.  The article raises the
question as "to what extent the old Communist Threat was trumped up to
plunder the American taxpayer."

The article talks about how Buckley's 180 degree turn from support for
bombing Serbia to a position that he is now against the destruction of a
country that has done us no ham signals an end to "Buckleyism."

Rockwell is wrong. William F. Buckley Jr., like Clinton, Albright, Cohen,
Berger, Jessie Jackson and many other prominent figures orchestrating the
War on Kosovo, is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
"Buckleyism"  is nothing more than "Council on Foreign Relations"
propaganda used to control the divergent sides of an issue, cause endless
debate, and  create a false reality world  providing the illusion of
freedom, while the rights guaranteed the American people by the Declaration
of Independence and Constitution are destroyed, and the United States  is
turned into a  "totalitarian bureaucracy within our shores."

The Communist Threat was trumped up by a Council on Foreign Relations
controlled executive office, state department, Central Intelligence Agency,
Joint Chiefs of Staff, and National Security Agency. The Communist threat
was created through Council on Foreign Relations planned and coordinated
psycho-political operations designed and directed by Council on Foreign
Relations members such as Gordon Gray, George Kennan, Walter Lippmann, and
Henry Kissinger, and the 100 or more Council on Foreign Relations members
that have been part of every Presidential administration since Woodrow
Wilson. Supporting roles in the psycho-political operations are  played by
the other 2000 or more Council on Foreign Relations members who occupy top
positions in the legislative, judicial, and executive branches of
government, run congressional investigative committees,  control the media,
head the largest law firms, direct the largest private foundations and
universities, and who hold the top commands in the military.

The War on Kosovo is simply another Council on Foreign Relations
psycho-poltical operation. As long as issues can be aired as differences
between  left vs. right, Republican vs. Democrat, or conservative vs.
liberal, the Council on Foreign Relations win and the American people lose.
Unless the Council on Foreign Relations is exposed, investigated, and
stopped, the United States will be destroyed and absorbed into an
international regime; and, the Council on Foreign Relations created
"totalitarian bureaucracy within our shores" will be extended to all shores
and run by members of the  Council on Foreign Relations and its branch
organizations in other nations such as England's Royal Institute of
International Affairs, and Canada's Canadian Institute of International
Affairs.

Rockwell's article, updated to show Council on Foreign Relations
connections, follows:

[
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_rockwell/19990505_xclro_the_end_bu.shtml ]

>WEDNESDAY MAY 05 1999
>
>
> The End of [CFR member William F. Buckley's]  Buckleyism
>
>
>
>As the ranks of those who defend [Council on Foreign Relations member]
>Bill's War continue to thin, another
>famous [Council on Foreign Relations member] Bill has grown skeptical.
>[Council on Foreign Relations member] William F. Buckley Jr. has reversed
>his
>earlier position in favor of bombing Serbia to say that he too is
>against the unconscionable destruction of a country that never did us
>any harm.
>
>"If I were voting on the Kosovo matter," he wrote back on March 24, "I'd
>vote yes: Get on with the bombing." A month later, on April 28, he
>reversed himself: "There's something dirty about the entire operation.
>In most direct terms, it is not geared to the safety of the population
>whose protection took us into the war. ... We are taking satisfaction
>from dropping bombs here and there."
>
>[Council on Foreign Relations member] Bu

[CTRL] Jury deliberates in trial of McVeigh's pals

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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K
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Jury deliberates in trial of
McVeigh's pals

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Subject: Jury deliberates in trial of McVeigh's pals From: "Independent
History & Research" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, May 4, 1999 1:13 PM
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Note from Michael A. Hoffman II: (www.hoffman-info.com)

Neo-Nazi Kehoe and Co. are believed to have slaughtered the Mueller family at
the behest of FBI assets because Mueller was about to blow the whistle on OK
City Bomber Tim McVeigh, who Mueller had met at a gun show.

Kehoe was based at the "Shadowlands" Motel in the Spokane area and had
advance knowledge of the OK City bombing, according to testimony from a
worker at the motel.

Kehoe is also linked to other US government front operations, including the
Aryan Nations group of Idaho and the CIA/Secret Service/cross-dressing bank
robbers who called themselves the "Aryan Republican Army."

In April of 1999, the "Spokesman-Review" quoted FBI agents who said there
would be "no use" investigating Kehoe's ties to McVeigh since McVeigh is
already convicted (!).

The "Spokesman-Review" newspaper--of course--has done no independent
investigation of its own, but relies solely on the FBI to investigate itself.


==

>From the May 4, 1999 edition of the Spokane, Washington "Spokesman Review"
newspaper:

http://www.VirtuallyNW.com/news-story.asp?date=050499&ID=s570620

Kehoe jury finishes its first full day
Panel requests information after two hours of deliberations

Associated Press -

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. -- A mostly-black jury that will
decide the fate of two alleged white
supremacists finished its
first full day of deliberations Monday without reaching a verdict.

Chevie Kehoe of Colville, Wash., formerly of Yaak, Mont., and
Danny Lee of Yukon, Okla., are accused of trying to overthrow
the federal government and set up a whites-only nation in the
Pacific Northwest. Their republic would be perpetuated through
polygamy, the government says.

The two 26-year-olds were indicted on one count each of
racketeering and conspiracy and three counts of murder related
to the 1996 deaths of Arkansas gun dealer William Mueller, his
wife and her 8-year-old daughter.

Jurors deliberated about 20 minutes Friday after closing
arguments and jury instructions, then resumed Monday
morning. The panel recessed for the day shortly before 5 p.m.,
planning to resume this morning.

Almost two hours into deliberations, the panel sent a message
to U.S. District Judge G. Thomas Eisele asking about road
conditions in January 1996, when the prosecution says Kehoe
and Lee made a cross-country trip.

Prosecutors allege the pair killed the Mueller family Jan. 11,
1996, then drove to Washington and reached that state by Jan.
13. The judge referred the jurors to what they received as
evidence or heard in testimony during the trial.

The trial is in its 10th week. The government is seeking the
death penalty. If the jury of nine blacks and three whites
convicts the two men, it will then hear evidence to decide
sentencing. The case is the first death penalty case in the
Eastern District of Arkansas.

Prosecutors say Kehoe recruited Lee and others into his
``enterprise'' to set up an Aryan People's Republic.

The government says the enterprise is linked to a series of
crimes, including a 1995 robbery of Washington couple Jill and
Malcolm Friedman; the 1995 murder of Jeremy Scott in Idaho;
a 1995 robbery of Mueller; the 1996 robbery and murders of the
Muellers; the April 29, 1996, bombing of the Spokane City Hall;
the August 1996 murder in Idaho of Jon Cox of Sacramento,
Calif.; and the attempted murders of police officers Robert
Martin and Rick Wood in a Feb. 15, 1997,
shootout in Ohio.

The government called 152 witnesses, the defense 35.

To find the two men guilty, the jury will have to find they were
part of the enterprise and committed two of the alleged crimes,
defense lawyers say.

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[CTRL] #594 (04/16/98): Missing Boys - has dioxon

1999-05-05 Thread 1lls0081

http://www.monitor.net/rachel/r594.html

Title: #594 (04/16/98): Missing Boys











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MISSING BOYS



As we reported late in 1997 (REHW #576), the male proportion of

live births has been declining in the U.S. and Canada for at

least 20 years. Normally there are 106 males born for every 100

females, for a male proportion of 106/206 = 0.5145.  This

proportion is often called the "live birth sex ratio" or simply

the "sex ratio." Several studies --some very recent[1,2] and

others dating back to the late 1980s and early 1990s --reveal

similar 20-year declines in the male proportion of live births in

England and Wales,[3] Denmark, Sweden, Finland, the Netherlands,

Germany, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Peru, Paraguay,

Ecuador, Venezuela, Colombia, and Costa Rica.[4]



The declines in the male proportion of births are not large, and

by themselves they have no practical importance.  Often the shift

has been from 0.515 to 0.513 or 0.512.  Nevertheless, even small

shifts in the sex ratio can add up.  In Canada during the last 20

years, approximately 8600 males have not been born and in their

place we have females; in the U.S. during the same period, 38,000

baby boys were replaced by baby girls.  (From an environmental

perspective this is arguably beneficial because environmentally

destructive organizations tend to be dominated by men, while the

effective wing of the environmental movement is largely led by

women.)



Nevertheless, there is a very serious side to these small shifts

in sex ratio.  It is extremely unlikely that similar trends in so

many different countries are due to chance.  Therefore, the

altered sex ratio raises a grave public health question: what is

causing consistent biological changes in the human populations of

so many industrialized and industrializing countries?  Does this

pattern signal some general change in exposures to environmental

toxicants? Now two teams of researchers --in the U.S.[1] and in

Denmark[2] --are asking whether the pattern of declining male

proportion of births is linked to a similar pattern of increasing

birth defects of the penis and testicles, increasing testicular

cancer, and declining quality and quantity of sperm.



Both groups of scientists are hypothesizing that all of these

patterns are linked to exposures to hormone-disrupting chemicals

including dioxin, pesticides, lead, solvents and smoke stack

emissions from smelters, steel foundries and incinerators.[5]

And both groups are hypothesizing that the relevant exposures are

most likely taking place before birth, in the mother's womb.



Devra Lee Davis of the World Resources Institute (Washington,

D.C), writing in the JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN MEDICAL

ASSOCIATION,[1] acknowledges that any change in a complex

biological process, such as sex determination, probably has

several causes.  She then goes on to argue, offering evidence

from many different areas of research, that the male proportion

of live births can be affected by environmental exposures:



** At the moment of conception, all embryos are destined to be

female unless something changes them into males.  We all start

out female by default.  For the first six to 9 weeks of life, we

all have unisex gonads.  Between the 6th and 9th week, the gonads

of those with a Y chromosome specialize into testicles and begin

producing hormones that continue the process of creating a male.

If anything interferes at this stage, a female may result.  Thus

sex is determined by tiny amounts of hormones circulating in the

blood of the embryo.  This situation provides opportunities for

chemicals entering the mother's body ("xenobiotics") to disrupt

normal processes.  

[CTRL] Satan 'Eblis'

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://gate.cruzio.com/~darvish/us/KNP/books/Eblis.html
http://gate.cruzio.com/~darvish/us/KNP/books/Eblis.html">The Great
Satan 'Eblis'

-



Though Satan was cursed and humiliated, he was still the
paragon of lovers in self sacrifice
by Dr. Javad Nurbakhsh
translated by Terry Graham
in collaboration with Neil and
Sima Johnston

First Edition 1992

ISBN 0-933546-23-8


Known by many names, the Great Satan, called 'Eblis' in the Koran, is
considered by many to be the enemy of God. Dr. Nurbakhsh, drawing from
the writings of 'Attar,Rumi, Jami, Ebn 'Arabi and other great Sufis,
elucidates in this book the nature and significance of the fallen Angel
in human form. This book draws together writings and stories about Satan
by masters over centuries of the Sufi tradition.Many of the great Sufi
mystics viewed Satan -- once supreme among the angels -- as a lover of
God who refused to worship anyone but God.
According to Islamic tradition, when God shaped the first man from clay.
He commanded the angels to bow down before Adam. Satan refused, and God
banished him from His court of Nearness. Whether praising or blaming
Satan for his refusal, the Sufis' discussion of Satan explores the
dangers encountered by aspirants on the spiritual path. Their stories
affirm Divine Unity, transcending the dualism of good and evil in
popular imagination, and showing that in human experience, rather than a
force outside ourselves, Satan symbolizes our self-deception when we
heed pride or passions of the ego before truth in the heart.


Contents
The Great Satan "Eblis"

In Praise of Eblis

Criticisms of Eblis

'Azizo'd-Din Nasafi on Eblis
The Manifestations and Methods of Eblis
Mo'awiya and Eblis from Rumi's Mathnawi

Bibliography

Index of Koranic References

General Index



Available in: | English | German | Farsi | Italian

To Order

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[CTRL] Dioxin Exposure Linked to Cancer

1999-05-05 Thread 1lls0081

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http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559425333-2a0

04:20 PM ET 05/04/99

Dioxin Exposure Linked to Cancer

 Dioxin Exposure Linked to Cancer
 By PAUL RECER=
 AP Science Writer=
   WASHINGTON (AP) _ Chemical workers exposed to high levels of
 dioxin have a 60 percent increased chance of dying of cancer, but
 the chemical poses no added cancer risk to the general population,
 a study says.
   Kyle Steenland, co-author of the study appearing Wednesday in
 the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, said the research
 suggests most people typically are not currently exposed to
 dangerous levels of dioxin and that cancer appears to result only
 among those who had extremely high and long-term exposures to the
 chemical 15 to 20 years ago.
   ``There is not a significant increase in cancers until you get
 to the upper'' exposure levels, Steenland said Tuesday in a
 telephone interview. ``This is not raising a red flag by saying
 that low level exposure is causing a lot of cancer.''
   He called the finding ``reassuring'' from a public health stand
 point.
   Steenland, a researcher with the National Institute for
 Occupational Safety and Health, said that the amount of dioxin in
 the environment is steadily declining because the products most
 commonly linked to the chemical are no longer being made.
   Dioxin was a byproduct in the manufacture of herbicides and
 pesticides that were in common use decades ago. Production of the
 chemicals halted in the mid 1980s, and the environmental
 contamination has dropped steadily since.
   However, for those who experienced high exposures, the chemical
 can persist in the body for decades.
   Dioxin is one of the chemicals in Agent Orange, the herbicide
 used by the United States to kill jungle vegetation during the
 Vietnam War. Hundreds of American troops were exposed to the
 chemical, but not at the high levels experienced by many chemical
 plant workers, said Steenland.
   Dr. Robert N. Hoover, of the National Cancer Institute, said
 that the study by Steenland and his colleagues is ``a critical
 piece of evidence'' that shows dioxin, at its present levels in the
 environment, appears to present no significant threat to general
 public health.
   ``The bad news from this study is the evidence that dioxin at
 high exposures is a'' cancer-causing chemical, said Hoover. ``The
 good news is that the low levels of exposure (now in the
 environment) are not likely to contribute much disease.''
   In the study, Steenland examined the health record of some 3,500
 chemical workers who were exposed to dioxin on the job during the
 1960s, '70s and '80s for periods of six months to 20 years.
   Among workers with the highest exposure rate there was a 60
 percent increase in cancer deaths when compared to the rate of
 cancer deaths among the general public. This increase, said
 Steenland, was seen only in those workers whose dioxin exposure was
 100 to 1,000 times higher than the background exposure of the
 general public.
   Steenland said that dioxin seemed to cause all types of cancer.
   ``The cancer elevation is not in some specific organ,'' he said.
 ``We saw it in respiratory tract cancers and in digestive tract
 cancer. It was across the board.''
   Steenland said the public health threat of dioxin is declining
 because nobody is regularly exposed to the high levels that once
 were common among chemical plant workers.
   ``Dioxin is not being added to the environment at anywhere near
 the rate it once was,'' he said. ``It is still produced by
 incinerators when they burn plastics, but it is becoming less and
 less.''

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[CTRL] Collateral Damage

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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May 4, 1999

Collateral Damage

By Don North
In April 11, Slavko Curuvija, a tall, handsome man, the editor of the
Belgrade newspaper Dnevni Telegraf (Daily Telegraph), was returning to
his apartment with an attractive woman companion. He apparently didn't
see the two men in black leather jackets behind him in the street.

Curuvija, who also edited the biweekly magazine Evropljanin [The
European], had been crossing swords with the regime of Slobodan
Milosevic since the fall. But the danger surrounding Curuvija had
escalated with the start of NATO bombing raids two-and-a-half weeks
earlier.

In the days before April 11, he had been identified indirectly by
Milosevic's powerful wife as the one newspaper editor in Serbia who
supported the NATO air raids.

But Curuvija had not always been that reviled by the Milosevic regime.
In earlier years, Curuvija had built his journalistic reputation as an
editor who had access to the government's highest levels.

A skillful journalist, Curuvija knew how to play the role of consummate
insider. His combination of political connections and media clout
allowed him to circulate easily through Belgrade's moneyed set. But he
also was known to cruise in shady circles while rubbing elbows with
Milosevic's aides.

Curuvija's main source, his friends said, was Jovica Stanisic, head of
state security during the brutal military campaigns in Croatia and
Bosnia.

But ironically, Curuvija boasted that another of his well-placed sources
was Milosevic's wife, Mirjana Markovic, called by critics the Lady
Macbeth of Yugoslavia. Curuvija claimed to speak to Markovic once a week
by telephone.

As Curuvija stepped in and out of Milosevic’s government circles,
cultivating senior Yugoslav officials to extract information in a
country where the media is often muzzled, he was playing a dangerous
game.

But Curuvija had mixed his allegiances for years, working within the
government and then in journalism. His friends also described him as a
complex character, a stubborn personality and a serial womanizer.

Curuvija had started out as a policeman. But in the early 1990s, he made
a dramatic career shift by becoming editor of Borba, a Belgrade daily
considered independent but close to Milosevic.

In 1994, Curuvija launched The Daily Telegraph and soon after started
The European. The Daily Telegraph was mostly a tabloid scandal sheet,
however independent its views. Frequently the big headlines did not
match the text of the brief stories.

But Curuvija's insider contacts made the newspaper a window into the ups
and downs of the Yugoslav establishment and a necessary read for other
journalists.

Because of his excellent sources, the newspaper's stories often hit
right on target, too. The Daily Telegraph was among the first papers in
Belgrade to run sensational stories on the "terrorist" Kosovo Liberation
Army [KLA].

Overall, Curuvija's publications were not as critical of the Milosevic
regime as were some other independent news outlets. But the editor was a
fixture in the surprisingly lively media scene in Belgrade, where a
little more than a year ago the anti-Milosevic movement seemed to be
gaining momentum.

In November 1997, I stood on a street in Belgrade and watched awestruck
as tens of thousands of chanting Serbs marched past the Parliament. They
were demanding that Serbia become a democratic society as other
communist countries had.

As the marchers passed by for hours through the frigid temperatures and
sleet, I was naively confident that Milosevic's days were numbered.

"Milosevic has been a disaster for Serbia," one student explained to me.
"If it were not for him, Serbia would be part of the West now."

Supporting the daily marches were the growing ranks of independent
newspapers, magazines, radio and Internet news sites. One of the most
prominent was Curuvija's Daily Telegraph.

In 1998, however, the conflict in Kosovo worsened. Milosevic dispatched
Serb army and police forces to put down expanding operations by the KLA
and the violence spread.

The Serb attacks went beyond military engagements, however, to include
mass executions and the destruction of whole villages, driving thousands
of ethnic Albanians into the hills.

Curuvija found himself more and more at odds with the Milosevic power
structure. In October 1998, he published an article praising the
relatively moderate position of Jovica Stanisic, the former security
chief who was then a senior military adviser to Milosevic.

The article cited Stanisic as a critic of the brutal conflict in Kosovo
and a supporter of good relations with neighboring Montenegro, where
president Milo Djukanovic has all but seceded from what is left of
Yugoslavia.

After the article, Milosevic sacked Stanisic and cut Curuvija's access
to senior government circles. The weekly phone conversations with
Milosevic's wife ended. Curu

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> This is not the answer.  At issue is the right to defend oneself, and guns
> offer that to many people.  

Teo, my response is simple: you cannot shoot someone without a firearm. I know
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deepest roots of our culture of violence is the assumption that each person
has the right to be armed. If we are to change our culture to one that affirms
life across the board, affirms true freedom, affirms the right of each person
to seek happiness in his or her own way...if we are, in short, to turn America
in a completely new direction, that *cannot* be accomplished without removing
the threat posed by virtually uncontrolled private ownership of firearms. I do
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when there are no firearms around.

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[CTRL] Target Yugoslavia

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
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Target Yugoslavia

By Robert Parry
At center stage and behind the scenes, NATO’s war for Kosovo is pressing
the edges of modern “information warfare.”
Through the early phases of the conflict, NATO concentrated its attacks
on command-and-control centers, power stations and even propaganda
outlets. Those attacks included sophisticated electronic assaults on
computers directing Serb air defenses and so-called “soft bombs” to
short out electrical lines.

But there are new indications that President Clinton might be opting for
a far more expansive high-tech "info-war" assault to punish the
Yugoslavian government, its leaders and the nation's economy for the
atrocities in Kosovo.

In such an electronic offensive against Serbia, U.S. intelligence has
the secret capability to go much further than sporadic battlefield
computer hacking and causing black-outs. U.S. info-warriors have the
capacity to plant viruses in civilian computer systems, alter bank
records, and generally wreak havoc on Yugoslavia's infrastructure, from
disrupting electrical utilities to shutting down the phone system.

U.S. government hackers could target government bank accounts used for
purchasing military supplies or the personal accounts of Yugoslav
leaders. Funds could be deleted electronically to frustrate the
prosecution of the war or to punish selected Yugoslav leaders for the
"ethnic cleansing" of Kosovo.

Intelligence sources say the U.S. forces in the Balkans were
ill-prepared for this broader info-war when the NATO bombing started on
March 24. One reason was the difficulty of gaining a NATO consensus for
exotic tactics.

So initially, the info-war focused only on the battlefield. Time
magazine caught a glimpse of the U.S. capability in its reporting on the
Pentagon’s successes in "taking down the Serbian air defenses." The
Pentagon cited "attacks, jamming and corrupting data, which the allies
have fed into Yugoslav computers through microwave transmissions." [Time
, April 26, 1999]

Later, expert teams were mobilized and tasked to the Yugoslav theater.
Then, after NATO approved expanded operations, the U.S. military began
pulling surprises out of its technological bag of tricks.

The first widely noted application of classified techno-warfare occurred
on May 2. A “soft” bomb detonated over a Yugoslav electrical plant,
spraying carbon filaments over the power lines and causing
short-circuits that blacked out most of the country for seven hours.

“We have certain weapons we don't talk about,” said Maj. Gen. Charles
Wald. In line with info-war strategies, he noted that an electrical
outage “confuses command and control, it disconnects and confuses
computers.”

Government sources say that President Clinton now is poised to go
further in using some of the Big Brother capabilities that are featured
in Hollywood thrillers, such as "Enemy of the State," though the
techniques are rarely acknowledged officially.

The sources said Clinton has authorized secret intelligence operations
against Yugoslavia, but those sources were unwilling to discuss any
details about the high-tech strategies. Countries, such as Yugoslavia,
with relatively primitive computers running their economy are considered
especially vulnerable to info-war attacks, according to experts in these
strategies.

Some info-war advocates also argue that computer sabotage is a far more
humane way to wage war than the current practice of dropping bombs and
firing off missiles. These advocates note the obvious: that electronic
attacks do not carry the immediate physical risk to civilians that
explosives do.

But there are ethical concerns, too, about attacking a nation's computer
infrastructure and severely destabilizing its economy. Plus, there are
fears that a computer virus or a similar tactic could backfire and
infect computers far beyond Yugoslavia.

In a rare media report on the sensitive topic, The National Journal
 recently observed that "relatively modest questions [have been] raised
here at home by the United States' undoubted ability to wage offensive
information warfare by hacking into foreign computers to pilfer secrets,
move funds, corrupt data, and destroy software.

"When such activities are planned for a narrow, routine, peacetime spy
operation, they are dubbed 'special intelligence operations' and must be
approved by top officials, sometimes even by the president. But what if
a more massive U.S. hacker attack was designed to wreck the computers
that control an enemy's banking system, electrical-power grid, or
telephone network?" [NJ, March 27, 1999]

While skirting clear confirmation of a U.S. offensive info-war
capability, American officials occasionally do discuss info-war
developments in the third person, as if the United States were not a
participant in this new arms race.

On Feb. 2, for instance, CIA director George T

[CTRL] Television Wars

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/050499b.html
http://www.consortiumnews.com/050499b.html">The Consortium
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May 4, 1999

Television Wars

By Don North
In April 23rd at 2:06 AM Belgrade time, as NATO was preparing for its
50th anniversary celebration in Washington D.C., two cruise missiles
struck the Radio Televizija Srbija (SRT) headquarters in Belgrade.

About 150 civilian journalists, producers, technicians and janitors were
working the nightshift when the missiles hit with what NATO called
"surgical precision."

The building's four stories collapsed to the ground, sandwiching
offices, television equipment, transmitters and people into a pile of
smoldering rubble only 15 feet high.

TV screens throughout Serbia went blank in the middle of a Houston,
Texas, TV station's interview with Yugoslav President Slobodan
Milosevic. Firemen rushed to the scene to remove the injured. One
technician trapped by tons of concrete could be extracted only by the
amputation of both legs.

As the smoke and dust settled, at least 16 people were confirmed dead,
another 19 injured and others were missing and feared buried in the
rubble. But NATO's premeditated attack on a civilian media target did
little to drive SRT off the air.

By daylight, alternate transmitters had been activated and Serb TV was
back on the air again. That morning, a blond woman was reading the
morning news and calmly placed the devastation of SRT several minutes
down the lineup of top news stories.

Few foreign journalists had believed that NATO actually would bomb SRT.
But the Serbs did -- and were prepared.
The Clinton administration and NATO made no apologies for the civilian
dead. "Serb TV is as much a part of Milosevic's murder machine as his
military," said Pentagon spokesman Kenneth Bacon. "The media is one of
the pillars of Milosevic's power machine. It is right up there with
security forces and the military."

The reaction to the SRT bombing was muted within many U.S. news
organizations. Elsewhere, however, journalists and humanitarian
organizations, including Amnesty International and Reporters Without
Borders, condemned the strike against SRT.

Notable was a terse letter to NATO's Secretary General Javier Solana
from the New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists. "NATO's
decision to target civilian broadcast facilities not only increases the
danger for reporters now working in Yugoslavia but permanently
jeopardizes all journalists as noncombatants in international conflicts
as provided for in the Geneva Conventions. It represents an apparent
change in NATO policy only days after your spokesman Jamie Shea offered
assurances that civilian targets would be avoided."

>From Belgrade, the Association of Independent Electronic Media in
Yugoslavia, a leading voice of Serbian anti-Milosevic sentiment, also
condemned the attack. "History has shown that no form of repression,
particularly the organized and premeditated murder of journalists, can
prevent the flow of information, nor can it prevent the public from
choosing its own sources of information," the groups said.

The New York Times quoted a senior Serb journalist saying he thought
NATO had crossed an ambiguous moral line: "The people who were there
were just doing their jobs. They have no influence on the content or on
Milosevic. I hate Serb television. [But] we can differentiate between
big lies and little ones." [NYT, April 24, 1999]

Yugoslav officials said NATO was trying to destroy the free marketplace
of ideas and insure that just one side's "propaganda" could be
disseminated.

There is no doubt that SRT was a propaganda organ for Milosevic and his
regime. Since the NATO bombing campaign began on March 24, SRT also had
deeply offended NATO's sensibilities with its graphics.

The NATO symbol was regularly shown turning into a Nazi swastika and
Madeleine Albright grew Dracula teeth in front of burning buildings.

While highlighting the suffering from NATO air attacks, SRT ignored the
tens of thousands of Albanian refugees fleeing Kosovo with their tales
of rape and execution. SRT repeatedly showed video clips of old scenes:
Milosevic meeting Serbian church leaders, Russian envoys and the Kosovo
Albanian leader Ibrahim Rugova.

But the station also broadcast to the world dramatic images of
destruction caused by the NATO bombing and gave credible estimates of
civilian casualties. SRT scooped the world press when it disclosed that
a NATO aircraft had killed scores of Kosovar refugees in a bombing
attack.

After SRT broadcast the scenes of the civilian carnage, NATO
flip-flopped through the next 24-hour news cycle. NATO's first response
was: "We didn't do it, the Serbs did it." That changed to "we did bomb
the column, but the Serbs killed the refugees." Finally, NATO accepted
fault and apologized.

Still, NATO's glib cockney spokesman, Jamie Shea, pushed the edges of
Orwellian doublespeak when he declared that the pilot had "dropped his
bombs in good faith."

Later

[CTRL] 'Wag the Dog' in Reverse

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/050499d.html
http://www.consortiumnews.com/050499d.html">The Consortium
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May 4, 1999

'Wag the Dog' in Reverse

By Mollie Dickenson
President Clinton staggered from his messy impeachment acquittal in
February only to find himself leading NATO into the middle of a gruesome
war in the Balkans in March.
It was a transition that neither he nor the American people fully
expected -- or fully understood.

Americans weren't prepared for the horrors of Slobodan Milosevic's
"ethnic cleansing" of Albanian Kosovars. Nor was the country ready for
NATO's "surgical strikes" that inflicted hundreds of civilian dead by
missing targets, by accidentally bombing the wrong targets - such as
columns of Kosovar refugees -- and by intentionally destroying Serbia's
official television studios in Belgrade.

Distracted by the 13-month Monica Lewinsky scandal and the impeachment
proceedings, the noted domestic-policy wonk may have skimped on the time
needed to study and address the worsening crisis in the former
Yugoslavia.

Instead, Clinton relied on hawkish foreign-policy advisers, such as
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and Vice President Gore. On Jan.
19, when Albright went to the White House to present her planned
ultimatum -- demanding that the Serbs accept NATO forces or be bombed --
Clinton wasn’t even present.

The president was preoccupied with the Senate impeachment trial and his
upcoming State of the Union address that many political pundits felt was
crucial to his political survival.

As The New York Times noted, “It is unclear whether the president’s
decisions on Kosovo would have been any different if he had not been
distracted by his own political and legal problems. But it is clear that
his troubles gave him less maneuvering room to make his decisions. D
iplomacy that came to rely heavily on military threats reduced the
wiggle room even further.” [NYT, April 18, 1999.]

Clinton was caught in a kind of reverse "Wag the Dog." Rather than a
fictional war in the Balkans diverting the nation's attention from a
presidential sex scandal, a presidential sex scandal diverted Clinton's
attention from a real war in the Balkans.

As the war clouds built and the thunderous bombing began, Clinton
disclosed that he'd been boning up on Balkan history. He then offered a
"Cliff notes" version that skimmed over the centuries-deep roots of the
ethnic hatreds and ignored this century’s atrocities visited on the
Serbs by Nazis, Croatians and Moslems.

On March 24, announcing the start of NATO air strikes in a nationally
televised address, the president presented the overly simplistic
conclusion that it was Milosevic's fault. Clinton explained:

"In 1989, Serbia's leader, Slobodan Milosevic, the same leader who
started the wars in Bosnia and Croatia and moved against Slovenia in the
last decade, stripped Kosovo of the constitutional autonomy its people
enjoyed, thus denying them their right to speak their language, run
their schools, shape their daily lives. For years, Kosovars struggled
peacefully to get their rights back. When President Milosevic sent his
troops and police to crush them, the struggle grew violent."

Along with a coherent history of the region, Clinton left out the
salient fact that a religious civil war was raging in Kosovo, with the
ethnic-Albanian Kosovo Liberation Army committing its own share of
atrocities.

While Clinton certainly was not the first leader to simplify the reasons
for war, the president's address suggested either that he held a
frighteningly shallow notion of what was behind the conflict or that he
was willfully misleading the American people.

His administration might have hoped that some tough talk and some
military muscle-flexing would compel Milosevic to back down in Kosovo. A
brief NATO bombing campaign in 1995 had pushed Milosevic into signing
the Dayton Accords and ending the three-year war in Bosnia.

But Serbs view Kosovo much differently than Bosnia. Kosovo is the cradle
of their ancient civilization, whereas Serb-inhabited areas of Bosnia
and Croatia, although important, were less significant both to Serbian
national identity and to Milosevic's political survival.

Indeed, the gap between international outrage over the brutal "ethnic
cleansing" of Kosovo and the Serb national ambivalence toward the
practice rests on the fact that the Balkan brutality has not been
one-sided, as Clinton's speech suggested.

Part of the Serb intransigence comes from the failure of the
international community to demonstrate sympathy for the suffering
inflicted on Serbs both historically and more recently.

Since the break-up of Yugoslavia, beginning in 1991, the Serbs
themselves have suffered widespread "ethnic cleansing" from their
historical homelands in Croatia, Bosnia and, to a lesser extent, Kosovo.

President Bush's national security adviser Brent Scowcroft gave a hint
of this missing context when he murmured during a recent MSNBC-TV
fadeou

[CTRL] The man who "got" Clinton with his wallet

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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from alt.conspiracy
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Om
K
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The man who "got" Clinton with
his wallet

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Subject: The man who "got" Clinton with his wallet
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Washington, D.C. -- One August day in 1994, while gossiping about politics
over
lunch on Nantucket, Richard Mellon Scaife, the Pittsburgh billionaire and
patron of conservative causes, made a prediction. ''We're going to get
Clinton,'' Joan Bingham, a New York publisher present at the lunch, remembers
that he said. ''And you'll be much happier,'' he said to Ms. Bingham and
another Democrat at the table, ''because Al Gore will be president.''
   Ms. Bingham was startled at the time, but in the years since - as President
Bill Clinton has struggled with an onslaught from political enemies - Mr.
Scaife's assertion came to seem less and less far-fetched.
Mr. Scaife did get involved in numerous anti-Clinton activities. He gave
$2.3 million to the American Spectator magazine to dig up dirt on Mr. Clinton
and supported other conservative groups that harassed the president and his
administration. The White House and its allies responded by fingering Mr.
Scaife as the central figure in ''a vast right-wing conspiracy that has been
conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president,'' as
Hillary Rodham Clinton described it. James Carville, Mr. Clinton's former
campaign aide...called Mr. Scaife ''the arch-conservative godfather in a
heavily funded war against the president.''...By compiling a computerized
record of nearly all his contributions over the last four decades, The
Washington Post found that Mr. Scaife and his family's charitable entities
have
given at least $340 million to conservative causes and institutions - about
$620 million in current dollars, adjusted for inflation. The total of Mr.
Scaife's giving - to conservatives as well as many other beneficiaries -
exceeds $600 million, or $1.4 billion  in current dollars, much more than any
previous estimate.
  -News report,"He's the Man Who 'Got' Clinton With His Wallet,"
_WashingtonPost_ news service, _International Herald Tribune_, May 4,
1999

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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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[CTRL] NEW MEDIA ORDER THREATENS INFORMATION OVERLOAD

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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Om
K
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NEW MEDIA ORDER THREATENS
INFORMATION OVERLOAD

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NEW MEDIA ORDER THREATENS INFORMATION OVERLOAD

AFP
Tuesday, May 4, 1999

Paris, May 4 (AFP) - When on January 21, 1998 the
notorious gossip-monger Matt Drudge broke the year's
top news story, revealing that President Bill Clinton
had had an affair with a White House intern and
possibly asked her to lie about it, he ignored the
press. He posted his report on his own self-published
scandal-sheet on the internet.

Within hours the national networks, overcoming their
disdain for the maverick they viewed as a high-school
dropout with a modem, were lapping up and spewing out
detail after salacious detail.

The media had turned full circle, feeding public
prurience in the way that their penny-press forebears
had done at the start of the century.

"Remember yellow journalism," the New York Times
blared, noting the headline frenzy of 100 years ago
between two New York newspapers, Joseph Pulitzer's
World and the William Randolph Hearst's Journal.

Historians believe their battle for readers may have
stoked up the Spanish-American war as fierce
competition led to sensationalist and often
unsubstantiated reports of atrocities. The content of
the media has changed little over the years.

"I would say what has changed is that the news media
has become so pervasive," says Marshall Loeb, editor of
the Columbia Journalism Review. "You listen to the news
as you shave in the morning, as you drive to work."

The route from the penny press to the World Wide Web
began with the invention of technologies that we now
take for granted: the telephone, the telegraph, the
radio and the television.

The emergence of mass media was already apparent in the
West by 1914, but in the interwar years, as the world
lurched from one political crisis to another, their
growth was explosive. This was the heyday of popular
radio and the rotogravure illustrated press.

The first public radio station, KDKA, went on the air
in Philadelphia in 1920. By the end of 1922, 576
commercial radio stations were operating, and by 1939
more than 27 million households had receivers.

Radio transformed the life of the poor, especially
housebound poor women, banishing solitude as it brought
the world into their home.

The spread of literacy meant that newspaper readership
also expanded rapidly, so that by 1950, in the average
developed country, between 300 and 350 papers were sold
for every thousand of the population.

Television, whose development was interrupted by World
War II, began broadcasting full schedules during the
1950's, bringing live variety shows and later made-for-
television situation comedies, until by the 1960's, in
the United States at least, it had become the dominant
medium, slashing cinema audiences and virtually killing
off live entertainment such as the music hall.

As programming improved, television news started to
supplant the photographs in glossy magazines, while its
dramas started to replace popular radio soaps.

In Europe, where the power of the media to sway public
opinion had been harnessed by the totalitarian regimes
of the 1930's, most goverments retained a hold on
television until the 1980s but then loosened their grip
through privatizations.

They did not forget the lessons of the Vietnam war,
when television coverage did much to undermine the US
administration's policies, and employed legions of
specialists, sometimes known as spin-doctors, skilled
in turning the media agenda to their advantage.

Around this time cable television, developed in the
1950's to reach viewers in remote areas in North
America, began to widen its scope, its growth
spearheaded by the music channel MTV and Ted Turner's
international all-news network CNN.

Satellite link-ups now mean that instantaneous news
coverage can be transmitted around the world, though
the power to do so lies with just a handful of media
operators.

And Francois Hurard, professor of media studies at
University of Paris warns: "We have gone from scarcity
to overabundance in channels, but we have to keep our
options (for variety) open."

By 1995, according to UNESCO, 98 percent of American,
95 percent of western European and 94 percent of
eastern European households owned a television set.

The rest of the world is catching up, so that already
63 percent of Asian households are equipped with
television. Only in Africa, with 21 percent of
households owning sets, has the tide of television
images failed to invade the home.

With the advent of the internet the 1990's have become,
in the words of Time Magazine, "the era of information
overload."

The internet, originally devised by the US defense
department for military purposes, has made a reality of
Marshall McLuhan's 1960's concept of the g

Re: [CTRL] Nato faults have prolonged war, says top general

1999-05-05 Thread Colleen Jones

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Top General my foot; that guy is at the bottom of the bilge.   George
Patton, was a General

Where do all these idiots get these jobs; these humanitarian soldiers
who send out men out to be killed in a battle, while they wear strange
uniforms and sit and eat with the enemy?

Who is the enemy?

When Fascism comes it will come in disguise.no wonder they shot Huey
Long, and it was a Zionist that got him too.

So much for NATO.North American Terrorist OrganizationI can
still hear that CFR guy say "so what, we have 19 countries in
now".so what?   Wait till we get a new president, and Ihope it is
Jessie Ventura and Hulk Hogan...go get em boys.in this corner, the
New World Order.

Colleen
.

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[CTRL] WHERE IS THE PEACE MOVEMENT?

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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WHERE IS THE PEACE MOVEMENT?

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Subject: WHERE IS THE PEACE MOVEMENT?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Date: Tue, May 4, 1999 7:06 PM
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WHERE IS THE PEACE MOVEMENT?

Where Is the Democratic Party?

The Village Voice
Tuesday, May 4, 1999
By Nat Hentoff

The horrors which we have seen, the still greater
horrors we shall presently see, are not signs that
rebels, insubordinate men, are increasing in number
throughout the world, but rather that there is a
constant increase, a stupendously rapid increase, in
the number of obedient, docile men. —George Bernanos,
1888–1948, French novelist and antifascist

In 1955, 28 New Yorkers committed civil disobedience by
refusing to rush into air shelters when sirens sounded
in a rehearsal of a nuclear attack. The War Resisters
League was involved in that peace action.

In 1960, at least 500 New Yorkers committed civil
disobedience at City Hall Park to demonstrate
resistance to nuclear armament. There were also
stirrings of concern about American involvement in the
Vietnam War.

Among the organizers of that action were Dorothy Day,
founder of the Catholic Worker, and A.J. Muste, master
of anti nuclear, antiwar, and civil rights strategies,
and a direct-action pacifist. The police randomly
arrested 27 people in the park. Some, like me, managed
to avoid eye contact with the cops, so we weren't
busted.

In other towns and cities, the anti nuclear movement
expanded into antiwar demonstrations. In 1962 a young
black man picketing in front of the Atomic Energy
Commission in New York said, "What's the sense of being
integrated into oblivion?"

In 1965, as Eric Foner noted in his invaluable recent
book, The Story of American Freedom (Norton), "Outrage
over the war, and over the disproportionate number of
young black men being drafted to fight it, contributed
significantly to the Student Nonviolent Coordinating
Committee's embrace of black power."

As Foner points out, "More than any other issue, what
transformed student protest into a full-scale
generational rebellion was the war in Vietnam."

It wasn't only the students who pro tested, of course.
Across the spectrum of race, age, class, gender, and
sexual preference, huge numbers of people awakened to
the necessity of resistance to illegitimate authority.

But where are the survivors of those movements
now—especially those on the Left, who provided much of
the anger and energy for a historic confrontation with
a murderous American government?

In December 1967, Gene McCarthy—who won enough votes in
a New Hampshire primary to force Lyndon Johnson to
withdraw from the presidential race—made a speech
before the Conference of Concerned Democrats in
Chicago:

"I see little evidence," Gene McCarthy said, "that the
administration has set any limits on the price [in life
and property] which it will pay for a military victory
which becomes less and less sure and more hollow and
empty in promise."

Sound familiar?

Recently, we've been hearing statements that sound
remarkably similar to some of the most chilling remarks
to come out of the Vietnam War. An American army
officer at that time said: "We had to destroy the
village in order to save it." And Curtis LeMay, who was
for a time in charge of the air war in Vietnam: "We're
going to bomb them into the Stone Age."

So where are the concerned Democrats now? Apparently
remaining loyal to a president who, having no
principles, keeps trying to find out which way the wind
is blowing. And who, being incompetent in foreign
policy, has no idea how or when to stop the rains of
death that he has dunderheadedly caused—with the help,
of course, of the fascist ruler of Yugoslavia.

Where is the peace movement?

The War Resisters League is doing what it can, along
with the Fellowship of Reconciliation, the Catholic
Worker, Pax Christi, et al.

But the networks of people around the country that
nurtured those groups during the Vietnam War—and which
in turn were nurtured by them—have fragmented. "We feel
lost," a previous resister told me.

Where are the priests, the rabbis, the ministers who
used to march with the rest of us and issue
proclamations and denunciations of the makers of war?

Where are the black leaders? If American ground troops
go, as Pete Seeger used to sing, "waist deep into the
big muddy," how many of those soldiers will be black?

Where is the Left as hundreds of thousands of Kosovo
refugees are torn from their homes? As families are
broken apart? As fathers and sons, mothers and
daughters, are murdered? The president and his
invincibly obtuse secretary of state bray, "We're
winning!" But in Yugoslavia, innocent civilians are
murdered by our weapons of undeclared war.

A notable exception to the retreat on the Left is The
Nation (May 10). More on its writers, as well as on
what can be done, next week.

It's not only the survivors of the 1960s who are
silent. Whe

[CTRL] GoNuclear's Home Page

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://people.goplay.com/GoNuclear/
http://people.goplay.com/GoNuclear/">GoNuclear's Home Page
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GoNuclear's Home Page
Help us to warn the world - be a part of the Apocolypse...

i am assisted by the following site:
http://www.register-it.com/start.cgi?banner=ref428883cf
Please visit them.
This message could save your life and the lives of others.
Take part in the distribution of vital
knowledge.
Send this on to as many people as you can. Now.
These words are as vital as the light from the sun.
Copy the text from this whole page (Edit, Select All, Copy ... Paste)
Paste it into an e-mail and send it to as many people as possible before
its too late!
The Government know about this, and are trying to stop me from
talking - that is why i need your help!
Hit back with me... spread this information!
Every time a person recieves this message from you, your fortune will
grow.
The more the better. The sooner the better. You will see.
Read the message... it is important.
If you ignore or do not send this message on to as many people as
possible, the consequences could be very serious.
Share this. Send it on NOW...
I will begin with fact in an attempt to reach narrower minds.
NATO troops are in Macedonia - or "Magedon": Armageddon as it is
otherwise known.
Here we are; the West pitted against the communists of the world.
Nuclear powers such as Russia - maybe one could speculate China too -
are a very real threat.
I'm not religious at all. But here's an interesting fact:
The Bible says a burning star called "wormwood" will fall to the
earth and turn a third of the lands and seas bad. Wormwood in Russian
is Chernobyl: The old Nuclear Power Plant. I wonder if the
Uranium/plutonium they recovered from Wormwood has found its way into
Nuclear Missiles aimed now at the USA and the UK.#
See Revelations near the end of the Bible.
There is a Total Eclipse of the Sun due in England on August 11
1999 at around 1130. Many people believe this is THE eclipse,
described in the Biblical
Revelations. "...The sun turned as black as sackcloth and the moon
was as blood..."
It is estimated that around 8 tenths of the country's population will
converge to watch the spectacle - the whole nation will be off guard.
The perfect time for an invasion. The commotion will be
unprecedented - traffic and human chaos - to be rivalled only by the
devastation and injury that will be caused during the new year's eve
celebrations: at this time the entire western world will have its
guard down!
Maybe mankind has EXPECTED something "apocolyptic" or amazing, to
mark the millenium - just a date on a calendar in my own humble
opinion.
But maybe a significant number of people would actually be
dissapointed to see Y2K arrive without some drama.
Maybe there is an ambient HOPE - yes HOPE that something terrible -
and interesting - will happen.
If peoples hopes have not been the trigger of some of the most
significant events in history, then nothing has.
Civilisation is drawing to a close - and we are all playing our part.
Again and again the years 1999 and 2000 have both been described as
the year of the Apocolyse. Fantasy? Maybe...
1999. A year of finality.
For two thousand years, many prophets have predicted that
civilisation
would expire around the beginning of the third millenium.
Armageddon - the battle to end civilisation, now called Macedonia in
English, is
so surrounded by biblical drama that many believe its name to be no
more than legend. But we can learn from legend.
Just as sayings such as "a stitch in time saves nine" have survived
the passing of time because they contain wisdom, the stories of the
bible and prophets of other faiths remain among us, for their value
is
real.
Here we are at the dawn of the new millenium on the brink of global
disaster.
The former Soviet Union is a region filled with nuclear weapons and
people who are perfectly capable of using them.
Other, equally cruel NBC weapons exist, but it is Nuclear weapons
that
could so easily sterilize this planet of all life - with the kind of
"mountains of fire" many people would expect to see mark our end.
If we go to war against "Russia", we are begging fate for an end to
history.
Once the bridge of peace is crossed, there is no turning back.
For political reasons they cannot back down
For political reasons WE, the civilised West will not back down.
And so we will destroy ourselves, knowing all the time that there is
always the possibility of global destruction.
We cannot prevent the apocolypse.
History is already written.
We must follow the path of the furure.
But maybe, if these dramatic topics are openly discussed, future
civilisations will learn from our mistakes.
I hope that, in 100 Million years, when the Earth may again be able
to
support life as we know it, some record will exist of our follies.
Or perhaps a race from beyond our tiny galaxy will pass by, marking
our charred ball of rock with a No-Go beacon. Maybe they will take
back with them the knowl

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1

1999-05-05 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 990505a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Craft to carry DNA into deep space from Kourou. CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - A
starship destined for deep space soon will be boarding at a South American
spaceport, and anyone with $60 can hitch a ride. Genetically speaking, that
is. In a bizarre but potentially lucrative business venture, a spacecraft
carrying the DNA of up to 4.5 million people will be launched in 2001 on
a mission aimed at making contact with an alien civilization. All aboard -
http://www.flatoday.com:80/space/today/050399i.htm

: Would you like your DNA spread across the galaxy? Is this a good way to
contact alien cultures? What if they cloned you and enslaved or ate you?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Falun Dafa: Followers say meditative discipline cures many ills; others
call it a cult. As the Zhang family of Plum peacefully practiced Falun Dafa
on a recent weekend in Schenley Park, about 10,000 Chinese protesters perf-
ormed the same yoga-like movements on sidewalks near Tiananmen Square in
Beijing. The throngs were part of a huge demonstration seeking legal prot-
ection from the Chinese government to practice Falun Dafa, an offshoot of
Buddhism that involves achieving enlightenment through a series of exercises
and performing good deeds in what they see as an increasingly wicked age.
http://www.post-gazette.com/healthscience/19990504falundafa1.asp

: Does your belief system cure many ills, exacerbate many ills, result in
good and/or evil deeds, have any connexion with reality, pay taxes, kill?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Women Kidnap Priest To Block His Transfer. AREQUIPA, Peru (Reuters) -
Women who kidnapped a priest to force religious authorities to keep him in
their village had their prayers answered. The Roman Catholic Church agreed
that the popular priest -- nabbed at the altar while celebrating his last
Mass before a planned transfer to another diocese -- could serve his flock
for another month. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990505/08/odd-priest

: Which religious figures would you like to kidnap? Does your belief system
promote kidnapping? Would you mind being kidnapped for religious reasons?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

*** Tigers maul 2 at Spain animal park. EL VERGEL, Spain (AP) Tigers mauled
to death an elderly German couple at a game park in eastern Spain. The
Germ-ans ignored posted warnings written in several languages, including
German, saying they were in a dangerous area and should remain in their car
with the windows rolled up, said an employee at the Safari El Vergel. They
got out of their car, and 3 tigers pounced on them, causing fatal neck
wounds. "It is costly to be careless with this kind of animal." Think of it
as evolution
in action - see http://news.excite.com/news/r/990505/08/odd-tigers

: Would you rather be devoured by tigers, wolverines, bacteria, Reptilioids,
your own misgivings? Are humans just part of the Food Chain? Are you tasty?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Tornadoes Kill 44 in US Plains States. (ABC) Even residents of "Tornado
Alley" say they can't remember such devastating storms. The twisters killed
at least 44 people and destroyed hundreds of homes. Terrible act of God:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/tornadoes990505.html

# Also: Ingredients for Tornadoes. (ABC) The weather served up all the right
ingredients for the tornadoes that whipped through Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/tornadocause990504.html

: Why does God go on these murderous rampages? What motivates Him to inflict
such carnage? Does God play violent videogames, watch MTV, listen to Rap?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Vanishing Technology. (ABC) A paradox of the Info Revolution is that all
this newly available information is being stored in highly perishable forms.
As computer systems become increasingly obsolete, what happens to data
stored on them? http://play.rbn.com/?swave/abc/demand/990504lostinfo.rm

: Should all old data be saved? What information would you rather be lost?
Can old data be retrieved by govt's, aliens, MicroSoft? Who'll use the data?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiLinks:

@ Conspiracy Journal web site: www.members.tripod.com/uforeview
@ UFO Gov't documents etc: http://members.tripod.com/~thetonezone/ufo/
@ Almost more conspiracies than you can stand: http://www.conspire.com/

# Jordan's new king discusses death, duty and destiny:
  http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9905/03/abdullah.interview/index.html
* Plot recent school shootings on a map and what do you get?
  ftp://ftp.anomalous-images.com/pub/anomalou/xMarksTheSpot.jpg

# DOD OVERHAULS NETWORK TO THWART HACKERS - or so they hope:
  http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9905/04/overhaul.idg/index.html
# New Boeing rocket malfunctions - another billion-dollar failure:
  http://ww

[CTRL] ORBIT: Sol, Mars, Colorado, Oklahoma

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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from alt.conspiracy
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As always, Caveat Lector.
Om
K
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ORBIT: Sol, Mars, Colorado,
Oklahoma

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Subject: ORBIT: Sol, Mars, Colorado, Oklahoma
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phikent)
Date: Wed, May 5, 1999 6:53 AM
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

ORBIT: Sol, Mars, Colorado, Oklahoma
 CyberSpace ORBIT
 http://members.aol.com/phikent/orbit/orbit.html
 Kent Steadman, Editor

 1. Sol
 CME: Possible Magstorm coming
 GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY FORECAST: THE GEOMAGNETIC FIELD IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE
FROM QUIET TO ACTIVE CONDITIONS OVER THE NEXT TWO DAYS. THIS INCREASE SHOULD
BE
CAUSED BY THE CORONAL MASS EJECTION THAT OCCURRED ON 03/0606UT AS SEEN BY
SOHO-LASCO.

 2. Mars:
 Elaine Lucas Discovery: Did NASA Fudge the Face?
 DID NASA HIJACK THE CYDONIA MGS FACE DATA FROM ANOTHER PLACE ON MARS?
 NASA declares location for Mars Global Surveyor "face" at: 40.8 degrees
North,
9.6 degrees West
 Lucas finds the data-geological-formation at 30 degrees North, 105 degrees
West (based on a *clue)

 3. Colorado:
 John Quinn: The Rocky Mountain Horror Show
 UPDATE:
 DOCUMENTS COULD LINK FATHER TO ERIC HARRIS'S ACTIVITIES
 GORE IN BLACK TRENCHCOAT
 AUTHORITIES IGNORE FACTS, DECLARE TWO "ACTED ALONE"
 UNILATERAL MANIPULATION OF THE NEWS
 So now we have it. On Saturday, May 1, in outright contradiction of dozens of
eyewitness accounts, other evidence, news reports and in contradiction of all
common sense AND of their own statements regarding the focus of their
 investigations for the preceding week and a half, Jefferson County law
enforcement officials announced that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold "acted
alone" in carrying out the murderous rampage at Littleton's Columbine High
School. Two "lone gunmen." No other involvement, no conspiracy at all. Well
isn't that just peachy. And blatant, bold, bald-faced lying of the first
magnitude.

 4. Oklahoma: The Reaper's Scythe
 Weather Control?
 EMAIL 5/3/99: Several F-4!!! Incredible!!! ---Never--- seen before according
to the Governor. I think it's safe to say Weather Control has been clutched
into hyperdrive... But the question is: Is it the US controlling the climate,
or rather the Russians or Chinese avenging the Serbs? Clinton did transfer
tech
to China... What if it wasn't only Nuclear stuff???

 EMAIL: 5/4/99 10:36:25 PM: Heyya guys, I hate to read too much into pics,
etc., but this is either a UFO or a flying Buick -- this pic is from the OK
City tornado yesterday. I got it out of the newsgroups. I have a friend in
Norman and her house was in the middle between the twin twisters. Her house
was
more or less spared but a block in either direction is no longer there. Just
thought ya'll might like this pic!

 Data, Images, Commentary, Links
 http://members.aol.com/phikent/orbit/orbit.html
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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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Re: [CTRL] In Memorium

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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In a message dated 5/4/99 8:44:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Her name was Sharon White and she was a most wonderful and sweet person.
>Please remember her and shed a tear for a tortured souls passing and take a
>moment to wish her soul to find the peace and rest she so deserved.
>I loved her and you would have too if you had known her.
>Ted

 Blessings, amen. May she find her way home. And rest from this weary world.
Om
K
- Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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[CTRL] Fwd: Afghanistan/Somalia

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan






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STRATFOR's
Global Intelligence Update
May 5, 1999

Reports Claim Bin Laden Relocating to Somalia

Summary:

Several reports have surfaced recently, claiming that suspected
terrorist-financier Osama bin Laden has left Afghanistan and is
attempting to set up bases in Somalia. If these reports are true,
it could result in further U.S. involvement in the growing tangle
of African conflicts.

Analysis:

There have been reports over the past few months that Osama bin
Laden had more than worn out his welcome in Afghanistan among his
Taleban hosts.  On February 13 of this year, bin Laden reportedly
disappeared from his Afghan camp.  Speculation as to his
whereabouts was rife.  Some said that he had fled to Sudan,
others pointed to Yemen, and still others argued that he was
still in Afghanistan.  A new suggestion emerged last week that
bin Laden was, in fact, moving operations to Somalia.

On April 30, the London newspaper "The Independent" cited U.S.
State Department sources as saying that Osama bin Laden may be
looking at Somalia as a new safe haven.  The sources said that
bin Laden had visited Somalia and that his men are setting up a
secure communication system in southern Somalia, possibly in Ras
Kamboni, a coastal town near the Kenyan border.  The sources
claimed that this information emerged while U.S. security
officers were in Ras Kamboni investigating the March 20 murder of
a U.S. aid worker by Islamic extremists.  Ras Kamboni is known
for its fundamentalist activity, and particularly for the Islamic
movement Al Ittihad movement, which reportedly has links to bin
Laden.  According to unconfirmed reports, bin Laden runs military
training camps on islands off the Somali coast and is believed to
be already financing Islamic militias in the Gedo region of
Somalia.

On May 1, the Arab daily "Al-Sharq Al-Awsat" cited informed
Islamic sources in London as claiming that bin Laden was
attempting to establish a base in Somalia.  The paper claimed
that once the U.S. Department of State realized what was
happening, it contacted Somali warlord Hussein Mohammad Aideed
and warned that it would withdraw his and his family's U.S.
passports if he offered help to bin Laden.  Aidid, whose clan
controls part of Mogadishu, issued a statement on May 3 refuting
the claims that bin Laden was setting up operations in his area
of control in Somalia.  However, he did not rule out that some of
bin Laden's operatives may be in the Gedo region of southern
Somalia, which borders Ethiopia and Kenya.

While it is possible that the Taleban may finally have bid bin
Laden adieu, Somalia is not exactly the most opportune place for
the Saudi terrorist to set up operations.  Whereas Afghanistan
was a natural fortress, Somalia affords his organization little
in the way of natural or institutional protection.  Somalia has
been in a constant state of anarchy since the 1991 ouster of Siad
Barre, all but abandoned by the rest of the world and controlled
by several warlords.  Two warlords maintain tenuous control over
the former capital, Mogadishu, while the northern regions of
Somaliland and Puntland have declared their independence.
Fighting still continues in the south, where another warlord
seeks to create an independent "Jubaland."

This means that there is no governmental security mechanism, as
there is in Afghanistan, to protect bin Laden from the long arm
of the U.S. government.  Moreover, constantly shifting alliances
among Somalia's warlords would make reliance on any one faction
for protection a dangerous and unlikely move on bin Laden's part.
Somalia's anarchy could be used defensively, especially by bin
Laden, who has made a career of structuring an ad hoc
organization from many disparate extremist groups.  Given bin
Laden's reported skill at forming and manipulating fluid
alliances, he and his associates may be able to operate for some
time in Somali camouflage.  Still, Somalia does not provide
nearly the security of Afghanistan, and if the Taleban indeed
pushed him out, and he did travel to Somalia, it is more likely a
temporary stop than a new home.

In the meanwhile, reports that bin Laden's operations extend to
Al-Ittehad in the Gedo region put an interesting spin on recent
events.  Somali warlords recently accused Ethiopian troops of
launching raids into Somali territory -- one of them in pursuit
of Al-Ittihad in the Gedo region.  Ethiopia justified that attack
by claiming that Al-Ittihad had received the support of Eritrea,
by way of Hussein Aideed in Mogadishu.  Eritrea and Ethiopia are
currently engaged both in a large-scale border conflict and a
growing war by proxy in Somalia.
[http://www.stratfor.com/services/giu/040799.asp;
http://www.stratfor.com/services/giu/042199.asp].

With bin Lade

[CTRL] OEN 5/5/99

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/">The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe
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Money Laundering

MI6 "Investigates" Crime Links to KLA

Kosovo is Money, Money, Money

THE secret support network across Europe and America providing help to
the Kosovo Liberation Army is being investigated by MI6 and other
intelligence agencies after allegations that organised crime plays a
central role.
Most of the investigation work has been focused on Switzerland where the
KLA is known to have set up a complex network of accounts to channel
funds raised from the Albanian and Kosovar diaspora. Some accounts have
been found to breach Swiss banking standards and have been closed down.

Support comes from shadowy groups known mainly by their acronyms. The
KLA is supported by the LPK and LNCK but challenged by the LDK and
tolerated by the LBD, formed out of the LDS. Each group has a clear
interest in the future of Kosovo and there is intense rivalry as they
try to build large fighting funds to help to pay for the political
battle that will follow the war.

It is not known whether links with organised crime were proven and some
accounts were found to be legal. The investigations have forced the KLA
to be even more cunning in concealing its financial trail.

The investigations were launched after repeated accusations, mainly from
Belgrade, that the KLA was funded largely by organised crime including
drugs trafficking and the smuggling of non-Europeans into the EU.
Belgrade repeatedly said the KLA was a terrorist organisation with
similarities to the IRA, which has criminal backers.

The West's attitude is equivocal. State Department spokesmen are holding
back from giving absolute backing to the KLA. Current investigations
will go a long way to establishing whether the KLA is a genuine, popular
freedom fighting group or a front for criminals.

Since Albania's Cold War isolation ended in 1991, the country's large
and rapidly growing diaspora has begun to challenge the Sicilian Mafia
for control of large-scale crime in the West. While it is true that
Albanian criminals are proliferating in some parts of the West, the
connection between them and the KLA is not so clear, notwithstanding
Belgrade's propaganda.

What the Western agencies, including the Secret Intelligence Service,
have found is a sophisticated network of accounts and companies set up
to process funds that the KLA says were raised legally as voluntary
contributions from supporters in the ethnic Albanian diaspora. Western
investigators first had to distinguish between funds raised for the KLA
and funds raised for rival Kosovo support groups.

The KLA's precursor was a secretive party known as the Popular Movement
for Kosovo (LPK) set up in Germany after the 1982 assassination of three
Kosovar Albanians in Bonn. The LPK was known to have Marxist-Leninist
pretences in the early days but those are believed to have been diluted
since the armed struggle began on a large scale last year with the KLA
appearing in uniform in Kosovo.

The KLA's main rival was the Democratic League of Kosovo (LDK), the
party of Ibrahim Rugova, which stood on a ticket of peaceful,
Gandhi-style, non co-operation in Kosovo. The LDK is more politically
sophisticated and in 1992 it organised what it called free and fair
elections in Kosovo, still subject to strict Serb control, and elected a
government which was forced to operate in exile in western Europe.
Kosovars were encouraged to provide funds for the LDK through voluntary
donations.

The KLA soon learnt the same trick and letters went round to the Kosovar
diaspora asking for funds. Some of the methods of persuasion were
believed to be erring on the strong side.

The London Telegraph, May 5, 1999


Der Fuhrer Invades Yugoslavia

NATO Military Commander Criticizes NATO Curbs

Kill 'em ALL! Let CNN sort 'em out!

BRUSSELS - NATO's senior military commander said Tuesday that the
bombing campaign against Yugoslavia was lasting much longer than
expected because of serious constraints imposed on the alliance and its
refusal to use the overwhelming firepower that it had at its disposal.
General Klaus Naumann, the outgoing chairman of the alliance's Military
Committee, said the lessons of the first sustained combat operation in
NATO's 50-year history underscored the limits of waging war by a
coalition of 19 democracies.

''The air campaign is working, but not as quickly as we hoped,'' said
General Naumann, a 60-year-old German officer who is retiring from his
post this week.

''We have conditions we have to follow,'' he said, ''which degrade our
own military campaign, especially the need to limit civilian
casualties.''

At a farewell news conference, General Naumann said the alliance needed
to reflect on how it could best reconcile the requirements of political
control in a democratic alliance with the need to maximize effectiveness
in future military operations.

''We need to think through our organization's str

[CTRL] Allies risk crimes tribunal over civilians

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/99/05/05/timkoskos01004.html?1124027

http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/99/05/05/timkoskos01004.html?1
124027">The Times: Balkans War:Allies risk crimes tribu

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May 5 1999 BALKANS WAR: BOMBING FAILURES



Allies risk crimes tribunal over civilians

FROM STEPHEN FARRELL IN SKOPJE


NATO risks investigation by the international war crimes tribunal if its
bombing attacks are found to have caused unnecessary civilian deaths or
injuries. Mary Robinson, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, in a
direct reference to recent attacks on bridges, water supplies and
electricity stations, said yesterday that more should be done to avoid
such casualties.
"It is a very important principle that if civilian casualties can be
avoided they obviously must be avoided," she said on a visit to the
Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. "It comes down to judgments that
have to be made. If it is not possible to ascertain that there are
civilian buses on bridges, should bridges be blown in those
circumstances?"

Her questioning of the legality of the bombings echoed her remarks to
the closing session of the UN Human Rights Commission in Geneva last
week. She said: "These are very important questions because people are
not collateral damage, they are people who are killed, injured and whose
lives are destroyed, and we are very concerned about the way in which
civilians are so much in the forefront of modern warfare."

The former President of Ireland said she was working on a report for the
UN Secretary-General, requested by the Security Council, on civilians in
armed conflict. The report, due in September, would deal with the crisis
in Yugoslavia.

She insisted that she was simply issuing a reminder from Louise Arbour,
chief prosecutor on the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former
Yugoslavia, that its jurisdiction applied to all parties, "and therefore
potentially to Nato".

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[CTRL] Nato faults have prolonged war, says top general

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/99/05/05/timkoskos02005.html?1124027

http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/99/05/05/timkoskos02005.html?1
124027">The Times: Balkans War:Nato faults have prolong

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Nato faults have prolonged war, says top general

FROM CHARLES BREMNER IN BRUSSELS


Naumann: admits that
planes were shot down NATO'S top general yesterday delivered a blunt
admission of failings in the alliance's campaign against Serbia and
predicted that it had prolonged the conflict and could cost additional
lives.
General Klaus Naumann, chairman of the Nato military committee, said the
air war was now working, but Serbia could still achieve its aim of mass
deportation of ethnic Albanians from Kosovo.

The German general gave his unvarnished account of the campaign on the
eve of his retirement this week. At the same time, the alliance claimed
an "extremely successful" day of strikes against targets in Kosovo and
Serbia and dismissed as Serb propaganda claims that it had bombed a bus
on Monday, killing civilians.

Nato also reported the shooting down of a MiG29 Serb warplane in a
dogfight. However, the straight-speaking General Naumann gave the first
confirmation that two US jets that crashed in the campaign had been shot
down, as Serbia had claimed. Nato had previously reported only engine
failure.

Drawing lessons from the air offensive, General Naumann said: "Quite
frankly and honestly, we did not succeed in our initial attempt to
coerce [President] Milosevic through airstrikes to accept our demands.
Nor did we succeed in preventing Yugoslavia pursuing its campaign of
ethnic separation and expulsions."

The air campaign alone could never entirely stop the Serb paramilitary
from killing the population, he said. "President Milosevic's campaign of
mass deportation is still achievable."

General Naumann's main complaint was that the Nato military had its
hands tied by the need to keep political consensus among the 19-member
coalition. "We need to find a way to reconcile the conditions of
coalition war with the prin-ciple of the use of surprise and the
overwhelming use of force. We did not apply either in Operation Allied
Force and this cost time and effort and potentially additional
casualties. The net result is that the campaign has been undoubtedly
prolonged."

He did not elaborate, but his remarks appeared to back up reports that
General Naumann and other top officers deplored the allies' failure to
hit harder at the outset of the campaign and prepare a ground offensive.
The general, who conceded some bitterness over being forced to make way
for an Italian successor in the middle of Nato's greatest military test,
insisted that there was no reason to change the alliance's approach to
its campaign. He said it was true in military history that air power
"never won a war", but he said he saw a "real chance that we can make
it" in Yugoslavia.

General Naumann lamented a catalogue of inadequacies in the campaign,
mainly connected to the lack of suficient military capability in Europe.
Last night France announced that it would increase its aircraft in the
conflict area by 25 per cent.

Europe was unable to organise the humanitarian air drop to refugees
inside Kosovo because it lacked aircraft that could fly high enough to
escape anti-aircraft fire, the general said. He complained of the
alliance's "deplorable slow deployment of our forces in Albania and
Macedonia".

The outspoken general's blunt briefing at Nato headquarters gave the
Serbs public credit for hitting the F117 Stealth fighter in the first
days of the campaign and an F16 fighter last Sunday. "They were shot
down," he said.


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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: S99-65, Day 43, Update 1 (May 5; 0:45AM EDT) - A Special TiM GW Bulletin on NATO's War on Serbia

1999-05-05 Thread Colleen Jones

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If all this stuff is true, I think I prefer Sadaam Hussein to the pigs
in our White House Parlour - Clinton, Albright, Cohen, Lewinsky,
Kissinger.and the Warthogs who hold the spear of destinyand I
feel the wrath of God will fall upon them as it did Hitler.

This Mossad invated our White House, disgraced our President, and now we
find it also heads up our representative on NATO.

Tell me - is this uniform Clark wears a special NATO Uniform.  To whom,
does he affirm his allegiance, and if these murderer's believe they will
ever take Serbia alive...I believe they have a cause.

Hitler went after the oil too.the Arabs liked Hitler, because he
hated the jews.

I keep thinking about the words of Jesus Christ..BEWARE of those who
say they are Jews and are not(Zionists??)

Now we can add, BEWARE of those who say they are Catholics, and are
Jews.

Is there a Jewish Conspiracy - or rather  a Zionist Conspiracy   Prince
Faisal of Saudi Arabia did, and so did his father.and then the
father, King Faisal, was murdered by a Berkley Black
Nationalistwell, it would seem to me this guy was from the House of
Israel, like the Black Rabbi planted at Jonestown.

NATO - who the hell do they think they are.

Clinton swore to uphold the Constitution; he broke no constitutional
requirements chsing a Mossad agent around his office, another plant and
what the CIA would call a prostitutebut, he has broken his oath to
support the Constitution in many other different serious ways.

Norman Olsen..file a law suit...file a million law suitsthis is
how to stand every man in his place, in a Court of Law.

Keep religion and Zionists out of our government; these people swear
allegiance to ZIonism; no wonder Albright just "reaffirmed" her
oath.I do not think she EVER was naturalized until just a few weeks
ago and by her actions, this Butcher has reaffirmed her alliegiance to
the Zionist out of Europe, hell bent of destroying the Arabs and Serbia
for their oil

Get the Zionists Out of our White House; its bad enough we have to deal
with Clinton.they have sworn allegiance to a foreign government
alien to our own.

Colleen

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[CTRL] Fwd: DRUDGE-REPORT 5/04/99

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan





X DRUDGE REPORT X TUESDAY, MAY 04, 1999 23:22:08 UTC X


WIRE:  DRUDGE REPORT MAKES TOP TEN MEDIA EVENTS OF CENTURY

The AGENCE FRANCE PRESSE on Tuesday unveiled its list of the "top ten media
events of the century".  And along with Ted Turner, Ed
Murrow, and Guglielmo Marconi -- there's Drudge?

The AFP was founded in 1835 as the world's first wire service.  With some
1,150 reporters and photographers covering 165 countries, AFP is one of the
top three suppliers of international news, chasing stories with the
ASSOCIATED PRESS and REUTERS.

TOP DATES IN MEDIA THIS CENTURY, BY AFP:

*December, 1901: Guglielmo Marconi sends the first radio waves across the
Atlantic, paving the way for worldwide broadcasting.

*November, 1920: First commercial broadcast program airs.

*1926: John Logie Baird invents television.

*1936: The BBC kicks off public television in Britain.

*November, 1951: Ed R. Murrow "See it Now" series launches nationwide
television programming in the United States.

*Late 1960's: A US defense department project to link computers lays the
foundation for the internet.

*1980: Ted Turner launches CNN, world's first all-news network.

*August, 1981: The all-music channel MTV goes on the air.

*1992: The browser Mosaic brings the internet to non-technical computer
users.

*January, 1998: Matt Drudge airs Monicagate on the internet.


About that January report, the AFP writes:  "The media had turned full
circle, feeding public prurience in the way that penny-press forebears had
done at the start of the century."

The content of the media has changed little over the years, says the wire
in its century-ender on media.

"The route from the penny press to the World Wide Web began with the
invention of technologies that we now take for granted: the telephone, the
telegraph, the radio and the television.  The emergence of mass media was
already apparent in the West by 1914, but in the interwar years, as the
world lurched from one political crisis to another, their growth was
explosive. This was the heyday of popular radio and the rotogravure
illustrated press.

"Radio transformed the life of the poor, especially housebound poor women,
banishing solitude as it brought the world into their home... The spread of
literacy meant that newspaper readership also expanded rapidly, so that by
1950, in the average developed country, between 300 and 350 papers were
sold for every thousand of the population...

"In 1990, British researcher Tim Berners-Lee -- who has been compared to
the inventor of the printing press -- created the World Wide Web, writing a
public-access program to help the general public navigate the labyrinth.
Two years later, with the release of Mosaic, the first commercial browser,
roaming the internet became -- literally -- child's play... The rest is
history, and a godsend for the Matt Drudges of the world."

 X X X X X

NEW STAR WARS THEME COMPOSED ON THE TOILET

Holy Planet Tatooine!  Film composer JOHN WILLIAMS wrote portions of the
soundtrack for the new STAR WARS prequel EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE on
the toilet, according to wire reports out of England.

The celebrated music man is quoted on the WENN wire late Tuesday night: "I
remember writing ANAKIN'S THEME. I was sitting on the toilet, watching
GENERAL HOSPITAL, when all of a sudden the water plopped and brought
together a syncopated harmony that I found to be perfect for the theme of
the boy who will one day become DARTH VADER."


 X X X X X

CHINA'S NUKE LAB NOW OPEN TO TOURISTS

Mianyang City in Southwest China's Sichuan Province has opened a nuclear
weapon research institute to visitors in an effort to boost tourism.

It is the first tourism scheme of its kind in China.  Mianyang is the
second-largest city in Sichuan Province and one of the most important
strategic weapons research centers in the country.

Tourists and visitors are now able to learn about the development of
China's sophisticated weapon systems in the China Engineering Physics
Institute.

...now that there isn't a need to visit Los Alamos anymore.<

 X X X X X


FIGHT 2000:  GORE HIRES SMEAR QUEEN; TOP BUSH ADVISER STUDIED ATWATER

**Exclusive**

"We're praying that it's going to be George Bush, just praying!"

Those are the surprising words spoken by a campaign staffer for GORE 2000
in Washington.

The Vice President of the United States of America may be trailing the
governor from Texas in the polls -- a new CNN/USA TODAY phoner, 56% of all
respondents picked Bush, 40% went Gore -- but the real race has not yet begun.

The dirt race!

During recent conversations with multiple sources close to Gore and Bush,
one theme emerges:  Campaign 2000 will soon turn into a vicious war of
words, filled with personal charges and counter charges.

"Drudge, it's going to get dirty really, real fast," says one Gore aide
currently employed at the White House, who asked 

[CTRL] Fwd: S99-65, Day 43, Update 1 (May 5; 0:45AM EDT) - A Special TiM GW Bulletin on NATO's War on Serbia

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan






FROM PHOENIX, ARIZONA

The Special Truth in Media Global Watch Bulletins on NATO's war on Serbia,
such as the one enclosed below, can also be accessed at our Web site:
www.truthinmedia.org which is being updated throughout the day.

NOTE FROM TiM EDITOR: Back in Phoenix, again, as you can see.  And starting
to dig out from a huge backlog of e-mails which have accumulated while we
were traveling.  So please be patient with us, especially with regard to
any requests for e-mail address changes, removals or additions.  They are
our first priority in dealing with the e-mail avalanche. We'll get to all
of them eventually, but it will take us some time.  Thanks for your
understanding.

Issue S99-66, Day 43, Update 1
---
May 5, 1999; 0:45AM EDT

HEADLINES

Brussels 1. "Ain't Gonna Go There!;" Also, NATO's "Resolve"
Buckling as Target Signs Spread in NATO's
Capital

Phoenix  2. TiM Web Site Voted 33rd Among Internet's Top 100 Sites

Belgrade 3. New High Tech Weapons Cause New Types of Injuries

San Diego  4. From a Celtic to a Serb: Praise Your Work

--

1. "Ain't Gonna Go There!;" Also, NATO's "Resolve" Buckling as Target Signs
Spread in NATO's Capital

BRUSSELS, May 4 - A TiM reader from the NATO capital complemented a comment
which we had received from a high-level U.S. military source - that both
German and Italian planners walked out of a NATO ground force planning
committee meeting with an, "(We) ain't gonna go there."
---
TiM Ed.: Well, we're not sure that the Germans and the Italians would have
necessarily used such American slang, but we are quite certain that both
nations knew they would have their posteriors handed to them if they were
to encroach upon the Serb territory.  Again.  As Hitler and Mussolini also
found out.
---
Meanwhile, back to that Brussels-based TiM reader, here's a message we
received today:

"Working in the European Commission, I have put on my door one of this
target faxed to me by a friend.  It shocked some people around, but I
resisted and now a second target appeared on another door.

This war is a crime against humanity, nothing less and it is awful to live
in a country participating in it.

The Serbs are the only Europeans left with a sense of honor - I bow to them
and pray for them.  The only consolation left is the unity of all Orthodox
churches in condemning these bombing."
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2. TiM Web Site Voted 33rd Among Internet's Top 100 Sites

PHOENIX, May 4 - It just goes to show you what happens when one speaks
God's truth.  The Truth in Media Web site has just been voted No. 33 out of
the top 100 sites on the Internet.  We wish to thank you, our loyal readers
and supporters, for your votes. Here's a message which we have just
received about it:

"You may have seen it earlier, but we wanted to let you know personally
that your site has been voted on the global Internet Homepages Top 100.
Well, almost. It is now a Runner Up, at #33 This chart is not compiled from
traffic, but from personal votes submitted by your own readers."

You can see the Runners Up at http://www.worldcharts.com/hcm-runners.html
---

3. New High Tech Weapons Cause New Types of Injuries

BELGRADE, May 4 - "We can turn the power off (to Serbia) whenever we need
to, and whenever we want to," arrogantly boasted the NATO spokesman, Jamie
Shea, during today's press conference at the NATO HQ in Brussels.
---
TiM Ed.: We are sure you can, Mr. Omnipotent Worm (see the photos of the
effects of NATO's graphite bombs dropped near Nis, Serbia, available at our
Web site - just click on the Photo Album section).  But can you look at
yourself in the mirror?
---
Here's a letter which we have just received from a doctor at the Yugoslav
Military Hospital, the best equipped and staffed medical facility in
Yugoslavia, as far as this writer is aware:

"In my professional career as a professor of maxillo-facial surgery I have
operated and helped in healing of many injured people. I have treated all
kinds of wounds, from arrow and spear wounds (Eritrea in 60's) to serious
reconstructions from car accidents and cancer. One of such reconstructive
treatements bears my name in the world's literature.

Before my retirement in 80's I have editored the world renown journals,
such as the Journal of Maxillo-Facial Surgery and the Dental Corps Int. I
have also published scientific papers in these and the other scientific
journals abroad. I was a founder and a long time head of the Maxillo-facial
clinic at the VMA hospital in Belgrade, the well known "Army" hospital,
popular among the civilians. and famous in the Balkans, the former
Yugoslavia and recognized in the world. The VMA hospital is a modern
hospital built in 80's and has been damaged in the NATO bombing campaign on
several occasions."

Well, with that as the intro., here's now the main course served out by
this world-renowned Se

[CTRL] Fwd: OJ Simpson SEAL Movie

1999-05-05 Thread Kris Millegan





>
>To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Constantine)
>Subject:Re: Robert Miller...better than ever!
>
>>  [Lonsdale is a kind of paramilitary/scuba diver/stuntman/cop-type guy
>>who's written a lot of books on these curious topics. You might start
>>with Paladin Press. I received a post that he was a stuntman on the
>>"Frogman" set. Part of the framing of Simpson is to put him in a knit
>>cap, and have him hold a knife at the neck of a white woman. Someone
>>sent me what he claimed was a snippet from Dominick Dunne's
>>OJ book, which mentions Lonsdale as a friend of Faye Resnick (!!!).
>>Small world, isn't it? Lonsdale was also a stuntman for at least one
>>of the "Lethal Weapon" movies. Danny Glover, whose politics are
>>quite liberal, should be thanking his stars (and not his stuntmen) that
>>he wasn't the selected target. Yet.
>>
>>[As far as all the Nazi nazi nazi stuff, that's mostly the discreditation
>>that the no-js on the group need to do. Few have any understanding
>>of fascism.]
>
> Thanks. The movie made him appear a psycho-clown, and it's interesting
>how the media-led types walked right into that one, as if playing a role in
>a movie was evidence of his guilt. Because the media wanted it, the public
>would snatch at dreams, for God's sake, finding a logical connection there
>somehow, because, in the long run, the OJ list and the public at large are
>as hooked on fantasies as any raging schizophrenic, and will believe anything
>the media coercion-cues tell them to believe.
> You have snapped another puzzle piece in place, and it's a good one.
> Faye was doing CRACK, and the police found an eighth of it in Nicole's
>house. Where did that come from? Another puzzle piece to find on a floor
>littered with them.
> You're good at this. As long as you're on the OJ list, it's killing time.
>
>- Alex
>
>






[CTRL] Crashing Apaches Are Kamikazes? (fwd)

1999-05-05 Thread Brian Redman

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CRASHING APACHES ARE KAMIKAZES?
===

(CNNS,  05/05/99)  --  In World War 2, the Japanese used Kamikaze
pilots who  served  on  suicide  missions.   They would purposely
crash their bomb-laden planes into U.S. ships.  It  was  part  of
Japanese war strategy.

The ABC  News  web  site  reports  today  that  "a  second Apache
helicopter has crashed in Albania."  This means that 2 of the  24
Apache  helicopters  sent  to  Albania  have  crashed even before
they've been used to attack the Serb "enemy."

Is  the  overall  strategy  to  be  that the pilots of the Apache
aircraft will be  Kamikazes?   And  is  the  true  reason for the
premature crashes due to overeagerness on the part of some pilots
to prove their loyalty to the divine emperor, Bill Clinton?  That
is one possible explanation.

Another explanation for the crashing Apaches is given in a recent
issue of Mother Jones  magazine.   The  AH-64D Apache Longbow was
pre-specified to have a Vertical Rate Of Climb (VROC) of 450 feet
per minute.  And Boeing, which makes the Apache, did (in  a  way)
deliver  on  the  specifications.  The Apache does have a VROC of
better than 450 feet per minute, as long as it's not weighed down
with missiles and extra fuel.  "Army engineers say that for every
pound the [Apache] Longbow gains, the helicopter loses 0.839 feet
per minute of lift."  [1]

In theory, this translates  to  a  fully  loaded  Apache not only
being unable to climb at all, but even being unable  to  maintain
altitude.   The  Apache's  full  complement of 12 missiles weighs
1,721 pounds.  If, as  Army  engineers  say, every pound equals a
loss of 0.839 VROC, that means 1,721 pounds multiplied by  -0.839
VROC  equals  -1,443.919  VROC.  Mother Jones magazine calculates
the VROC of a  fully-loaded  Apache  as  "*negative* 549 feet per
minute." [2]

Mother Jones cites a report from the  General  Accounting  Office
(GAO), which states that the Apache helicopter lacks the "agility
to operate successfully in combat." [3]

In  related  Military-Industrial Complex news, Teledyne, Inc., is
connected with the manufacture of "cluster bombs."  It is not yet
ascertained by  this  news  service  whether  Teledyne assists in
building or builds the  cluster  bombs  now  being  used  in  our
"conflict"  with  Yugoslavia.   Cluster bombs "explode in the air
and release fiery bomblets that cover  a  wide  range."   [4]  In
1995,  Teledyne  was  sued  and  settled  out  of  court for $2.2
million.   Allegedly,  Teledyne  used  "falsified  tests  to sell
substandard radio gear to the  U.S.  government.   Employees  had
been  instructed  to  fake tests of electronic gadgets on Stinger
and other  missiles  that  enable  U.S.  soldiers  to distinguish
friendly from enemy  aircraft...   About  2,500  components  that
failed tests were sold to the military." [5]

---<< Notes >>---
[1] "Chopper Troubles." Mother Jones magazine, Jan/Feb 1999.
[2] Ibid.
[3] Qtd. in "Chopper Troubles," op. cit.
[4]  *Downsize  This!*  by   Michael  Moore.   New  York:   Crown
Publishers, 1996. ISBN: 0-517-70739-X.
[5] Ibid.

--
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outlet, not owned by anyone.  (But  of course, we would say that,
wouldn't we?) BEWARE THE CFR! BEWARE THE CIA! BEWARE THE KNIGHTS!
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Re: [CTRL] Howard: Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-05 Thread Edward Britton

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Howard:

I am pleased to inform you that I, indeed, am one who agrees with the basic
principle of rights to life and property, but, in practice, it never seems
to work out that way for long given historical precedent--even under the
best of governmental designs. And while, clearly, the "natural" laws of
'might makes right' are tyrannies to be eternally fought against, they
somehow end up as the zero-point for a complacent society. The system
always seem to degrade into tyranny untill we get involved in larege enough
numbers to change our plight. This is my point, and one which appears to
have basis in fact in America now, through the machinations of a near
feudal and certainly tyrannical federal government.

Anyway, thanks for your response; it is thought provoking to be sure.

Edward   ><>

>Now I realize that there are some who do not believe in the concept of
>"rights". To their arguments (and perhaps you are one of them?) I do not
>propose to argue. However, I cannot consider those who would basically
>argue that "might makes right", etc. to be those with whom I would wish
>to associate in any way. And, I would wish to work with others who would
>agree with me that we do have "rights" to protect them. This is the
>basis of government ("and to secure these rights governments are
>instituted among men"). It is the belief in the concept of "rights"
>which is the basis of all law. Without it there can only be tyranny or
>anarchy. (Though perhaps one could have a rather pleasant anarchy if all
>believed in the concept of "rights" but not in force?).
>
>Howard Davis
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Re: [CTRL] A Modest Proposal

1999-05-05 Thread nurev

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Ric Carter wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Robert Tatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > At the risk of being massively flamed, I am compelled by a sense of what
> > I can only call spiritual and emotional maturity to propose that the time
> > has come to repeal the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
>
> In some forums [fora?] you might indeed be flamed, but not here on
> CTRL.  Let me [as co-moderator] remind readers that personal attacks
> and criticisms are inappropriate here.  This is not UseNet.  Critique
> the writings, not the writer.  Any poster here may express totally
> insane ideas, but the poster him/herself is always an intelligent
> person of sparkling character.  Selah!
>

That's really beautiful man.

J2

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-05 Thread nurev

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Scott Brown wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > "M.A. Johnson" wrote:
> > >
> > >  -Caveat Lector-
> > >
> > > MJ:
> > >I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch.
> > >THIS is capitalism.
> > >
> > >Where is the state you were requiring?
> > >
> > > Das GOAT wrote:
> > >First off, it's NOT capitalism.  It's simply an economic
> > >exchange -- "barter," mediated by money, i.e., a transferable
> > >"right" to goods at value, "earned" by labor, traded for labor.
> > >
> > >Now, if you contracted with me to paint your front porch,
> > >it cost me $20 in labor and materials to do it, and you
> > >only paid me $10 --making MONEY "FOR NOTHING," but your
> > >PROFIT of $10 only paid for by MY loss-- THAT would be
> > >capitalism.
> > >
> > > MJ:
> > > No force here only your stupidity in contracting without concern
> > > for you benefit -- unless of course it was your intention for
> > > charity.
> >
> > Serious flaw here buddy. Even stupid people have the right not to
> > be ripped off by sharpsters.
> >
> > >
> > > Capitalism is the social system based upon private ownership of
> > > the means of production which entails a completely uncontrolled
> > > and unregulated economy where all property is privately owned.
> >
> > It's not a social system, but an economic system. It also happens
> > to be an economic system that rots the social system it coexists
> > with. This country is a good example of that. Post communist Russia
> > is an even better example of that. Crime and corruption are the
> > indicators of rot in a social system. Need I say more?
> >
> > > But the separation of the state and the economy is not a primary,
> > > it is only an aspect of the premise that capitalism is based
> > > upon: individual rights. Capitalism is the only politico-economic
> > > system based on the doctrine of individual rights.  This means
> > > that capitalism recognizes that each and every person is the
> > > owner of his own life, and has the right to live his life in
> > > any manner he chooses as long as he does not violate the
> > > rights of others.
> >
> > So then it is OK in your opinion to choose an economic system other
> > than capitalism if enough of us use our individual rights to do so.
> > Isn't that correct? And if that should happen, all you hard core
> > rugged individualists would be free to leave this country and move
> > to Russia where true Capitalism flourishes.
> >
> > Have a nice trip. Dress warmly, and don't forget your gun.
> >
> > Bon Voyage mon ami,
> >
> > Joshua2
>
> I already warned you guys once. I guess I have to hand out towels for all the mental 
>masturbators. Lookey there, you have gone and made a mess.
>

We shall soon see who among us is masturbating. It won't be a pleasant
sight.
I have heard rumors that Ayn Rand is the most popular centerfold among
degenerate
capitalists. Fully clothed. I just don't get it.

Oh the humanity...!

J2

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Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-05 Thread M.A. Johnson

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nurev wrote:
Ah, here is the crux of the problem. This person, and
and capitalists in general would like everyone to take on
their belief system. Individualism, individual rights, and
the ever so lovely PROPERTY IS PRIOR TO LAW. These twisted
apostles of greed and arrogant stupidity are just simply
selfish bastards inventing justifications for their sorry
assed selves.

Who in their right mind would claim that " property is prior
to law?" Not only isn't this factual in all of human evolution,
but it's a pathetic indication of a warped and sick personality.


Every man has a property in his own person. This nobody has
any right to but himself. The labor of his body and the work
of his hands are properly his. -- John Locke, 1690

Did Man precede Government?

Regard$,
--MJ

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Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

1999-05-05 Thread M.A. Johnson

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Ric Carter wrote:
 T'ain't so.  Capitalism is about acquiring and manipulating
 CAPITAL, about owning and controlling the means of production
 of material goods.  Capitalism is thus about POWER.  In
 any non-trivial society, many conflicting interests will
 contend for power, resources, influence; a representative
 gov't serves as the lubrication between those interest, a
 way for the social "machinery" to run without seizing-up
 and melting-down.  How well any specific gov't institutions
 serves that purpose, is debatable.
MJ:
Capitalism is the social system based upon private ownership of
the means of production which entails a completely uncontrolled
and unregulated economy where all property is privately owned.

Ric Carter wrote:
   What is the basis for this statement?

MJ:
Reality?


Ric Carter wrote:
   If the US founders accepted this view ["completely uncontrolled
   and unregulated economy"], why did they empower Congress to
   regulate commerce?

MJ:
To ensure free trade between the several States.



Ric Carter wrote:
   Can you name any viable society that hasn't regulated
   commerce?
MJ:
Nope, hence the absence of a capitalist society in all of history.


Ric Carter wrote:
   Doesn't unregulated commerce lead to monopoly/cartel
   and/or drug-lord-style competition?
   [I use 'commerce' as a shorthand term for any commercial
   activity.]
MJ:
Two types of monopoly: Coercive requires government; Natural
which is desired but has never existed.
As long as ENTRY into the marketplace is unencumbered, no monopoly
is possible.  It is government and their 'tinkering' which creates
advantage to some over others and prevents access.


MJ:
But the separation of the state and the economy is not a primary,
it is only an aspect of the premise that capitalism is based
upon: individual rights. Capitalism is the only politico-economic
system based on the doctrine of individual rights. This means
that capitalism recognizes that each and every person is the
owner of his own life, and has the right to live his life in
any manner he chooses as long as he does not violate the rights
of others.
As demonstrated in the previous example no government intervention
is required; but more specifically, once the government steps in,
capitalism ceases.

Ric Carter wrote:
   Does the concept of the primacy of "individual rights" preclude
   any individuals from joining in free association, incorporating
   as groups to engage in commercial, charitable, governmental or
   other activities?
MJ:
Within the Natural Rights Ideal [see the Declaration of
Independence], a group can posses no ADDITIONAL rights than
each of its members.


Ric Carter wrote:
Do corporations [public or private] have more, equal or less
rights than individuals?
MJ:
A Corporation is an entity created by the Government and as such
has the FORCE of government to ensure its privileges.



Ric Carter wrote:
   In a representative democracy, who is the protector of individual
   and corporate rights?
MJ:
In a democracy, there is no 'protection of individual rights' as
everything is subject to the whim of the majority.  The US was
envisioned and Constitutionalized as a Representative Republic
which granted specific functions to its government -- all of which
serve the legitimate functions of government.


Ric Carter wrote:
   Shall a society form and empower a gov't to represent the
   varied interests of members of that society, to mediate
   between conflicting interests, to adjudge and protect the
   rights of those members?  Isn't this what the US Constitution
   is about?

MJ:
No.  The US Government was to 'mediate' between the several
States and other nations ... ensuring protection of all from
force and fraud (see the individual powers in Article I,
Section 8).


Ric Carter wrote:
IMHO proclaiming that individuals have absolute rights
over groups is as bogus and dangerous as proclaiming
that groups have absolute rights over individuals.  A
viable, vibrant society requires mechanisms for balancing
the interests/rights/responsibilities of all its members,
individuals and groups alike.
MJ:
An individual [see the DoI] has a right to his own life.  All
other rights are borne from this basic ideal.  For a government
to provide  this 'balance' between individual rights and groups
of individuals' rights serves only to provide some with a
legislated advantage over others.


Ric Carter wrote:
   The mechanisms: gov't & law. Yup, this equates to POWER.
   Strip our representative gov't of power, and where will
   it flow?  Into which nonrepresentative institutions would
   you invest power?  Do private, commercial, corporate boards
   of directors consider your interests when making their plans?
   Should they?

MJ:
Government derives its legitimate functions as a collective
application of an individual's right to his own li

Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] A Modest Proposal]

1999-05-05 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Tue, 4 May 1999, Ric Carter wrote:
>As stated, the "right to bear arms" is about STATE security, not
>individual self-protection.

Bull.  Read the rest of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, AND the
Declaration of Independence...

In colonial America, individuals were the only ones providing protection
for themselves, whether individually or collectively, in the form of town
militias comprised of the CITIZENRY -- farmers, merchants, craftsmen...

Indeed, the reason the shots were fired at Lexington and Concord was that
British troops were marching to sieze the munitions of the local
militias, which were comprised of the CITIZENS of those two towns...
except for a few militias which elected a commander, who was paid by the
town to do nothing but command the militia -- and this was relatively
rare, as only fairly large towns could afford this -- the rest of the
colonial militias were comprised of people who were NOT professional
soldiers, and who were NOT paid for their services by ANYONE, let alone
'the state' (which, at that time, was Mother England)...

Indeed, if they had any sort of uniform, it was usually bought for by the
individual, who bought the cloth and had his wife or mother sew it for
him...indeed, that was the rule for years with the American Revolutionary
Army, it was even the rule for most units in the Civil War...each unit
would sport their own style of uniform, which was designed by a local
citizen for 'their boys'...a standard uniform didn't develop until the
late 1800's

One of the big complaints the colonials had against England, which
figured in the eventual break, was that they felt the King's troops
weren't being employed to protect the colonials against danger
(specifically, Indian attacks), requiring the colonial CITIZENRY to arm
themselves and train a local unit which would be called out when the need
arose...but during times of peace, these colonial militia members went
back to their fields, their shops, their workrooms, to continue working
in their primary occupation...

Back in Mother England, 'working stiffs' were NOT allowed to own a gun,
since most of them lived on land they leased from the aristocracy...and
that same aristocracy did NOT want the public who lived on their lands,
and from whom the aristocracy extracted extensive taxes to enable the
aristocracy to continue, to be armed -- for one reason, the only things
these armed lowerclasses could shoot were things which 'belonged' to
their aristocratic landlord, and so hence shooting it was considered
'poaching'; secondly, at the time of the American Revolution, it was just
about 100 years since England had had it's own civil war, where citizens
had not only overthrown the aristocracy, but had executed a King...so
during the Restoration period, the aristocracy made sure that the
citizens would NOT be allowed to be armed...

And it was during the Restoration that many people who'd supported
Cromwell found it more convenient to leave the country, heading for
America, than face possible incarceration under the new regime...

So at the time the Founding Fathers wrote the 2nd Amendment, most of
their peers, indeed many of the FF themselves, were 2nd and 3rd
generation offspring of the commoners who'd opposed the aristocracy
during the English Civil War...and these men were keenly aware of what
resulted when there was a tyranical ruler and government, and the people
were proscribed from owning arms, and therefore incapable of mounting an
effective means of throwing off such tyranny...

They definitely were NOT talking about a 'state-run' militia, since
they, they're fathers, and their grandfathers, had seen ample evidence of
the ABUSE of such 'state-run' armed forces...


>is unconstitutional are thus bogus.  The Founders did not specify
>what they considered to be "arms", usable weapons. Did they mean
>personal firearms, military weapons, or any combative materials?

Are you really so ignorant, or just pretending to be?

ANYONE who ADEQUATELY studies the colonial period, has no problem in
understanding what the FF meant by 'arms', has no problem in
understanding that it meant any and all armaments which could and were
available to the colonial CITIZENRY...

The King's troops weren't available to protect the colonials (except
during the French and Indian War, which the British fought for political
reasons and NOT for the sole reason of protecting the colonials)...the
only reason the King's troops were sent to Boston was due to the problems
with collecting taxes, and the annoying practice of a group of
rabblerousers calling themselves 'The Sons of Liberty' in tarring and
feathering the King's appointed tax collector, burning the governor in
effigy, and on one occasion setting fire to the guv's mansion...

You didn't find any other 'redcoats' elsewhere in the colonies, except
perhaps in Philadelphia and NY, but in far fewer numbers than in Boston
in 1775...the professional British soldier's duty in the 

Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] A Modest Proposal]

1999-05-05 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Tue, 4 May 1999, nurev wrote:
>Disgusting or not you'll have to deal with it. Many of us are sick and
>tired of your mantra. We would like to get guns out of daily life and
>see what happens.

The Constitution is too precious to muck around with just to 'see what
happpens'


>If the death rate drops ( which it will )

No it won't...hasn't dropped anywhere gun control has been enacted, in
fact gun deaths have risen...

It was easier to buy guns in the 1960s and 1970s, yet we never saw
drive-by shootings...now it has been made inordinately difficult for the
average, law-abiding citizen to buy a gun, and we see ERs overwhelmed
with gun injuries and deaths...

I think there should be laws ENCOURAGING people to buy guns and
carry them with them everywhere...if MORE people had guns, the crooks and
creeps would then have reason to pause and wonder if their intended
victims just might shoot back, instead of being 'sitting ducks'...

I used to be a strong advocate of gun control...but life ain't the rosy
'peace and love' scenario we envisioned it would become when we were
younger...and the plain fact of it is, we need to go back to the
vigilante days of the Wild West -- a time when disarming the law-
abiding citizenry also would not have worked...

It's a sad fact of the current state of affairs, and if you say you hate
the idea of our society reverting to 'cowboy justice', you won't get any
argument from me...but that doesn't change the FACT that that is the only
thing that will work at this point...

It also doesn't change the fact that what is lost in this gun control
debate is the question of just WHO is orchestrating this scenario, to
manipulate the public to be more willing to accept the further erosion of
our rights...cui bono?



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Re: [CTRL] Gottlieb/CIA/LSD Case

1999-05-05 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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It's obvious that God is on the side of the CIA (well, maybe not God, but
some supernatural force).  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] P&G Satan "Rumors"

1999-05-05 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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How's about the old saw, "A pox on both their houses."  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] KLA Funding Tied to Heroin Profits

1999-05-05 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 The Kosovo Liberation Army, which the Clinton administration has
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 NATO bombing campaign, is a terrorist organization that has financed
 much of its war effort with profits from the sale of heroin. Recently
obtained
 intelligence documents show that drug agents in five countries, including
 the United States, believe the KLA has aligned itself with an extensive
 organized crime network centered in Albania that smuggles heroin and
 some cocaine to buyers throughout Western Europe and, to a lesser
 extent, the United States. >>

Yeah, one has only to look at Albania and Yugoslavia (past and present
geography) to see that what we have here is an area enriched by drug trade.
Give me a break.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Children attacked by flesh-eating bacteria after taking ...

1999-05-05 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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<< http://www.suntimes.co.za:80/1999/05/02/news/news07.htm
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 Children attacked by flesh-eating bacteria after taking medicine
 ANDRE JURGENS >>


<< CHILDREN with chickenpox who are fed over-the-counter painkillers run
 the risk of being infected by a deadly flesh-eating bacterium.

 Doctors say the only way to treat the aggressive bacterium - which
 dissolves human flesh - is by amputating infected limbs and treating
 patients with antibiotics.

 The dangerous link between household medication, chickenpox and the
 bacterium was exposed in a medical alert to doctors this week. >>

Medical/pharmaceutical practices in the United States are very interesting.
A medical letter I subscribe to had the following warning in its
November-December l995 edition.

the disease is most common in diaabetics and alcoholics, whose immunity
is impaired, but many victims have been in normal health.  However, according
to doctors at Otago University Medical School, New Zealand, many of these
normal people have been taking nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs).
 These are the drugs, such as ibuprofen, that are so widely used for
arthritis and all kinds of pain, and which can now be purchased without a
prescription.  It makes sense that NSAIDs encourage the disease since they
not only lessen pain and inflammation, but also interfere with the body's
ability to limit tissue destruction by bacteria.  Thus, an expert from our
federal Center for Disease Control (CDC) points out, the recent increase in
number of small children with flesh-eating disease coincides with the
marketing of a liquid pediatric preparation of ibuprofen.  Meanwhile, we can
try to protect ourselves from this disease by using acetaminophen instead of
NSAIDs, and by washing all our skin wounds, however trivial, and then
applying antiseptic.  Source:  SCIENCE NEWS (l48:234, '95).

I circulated this warning throughout my friends and family but later noticed
that NSAIDs were being strongly promoted for pediatric use in the United
States.  Well, we're a much bigger market than is New Zealand, so if the
warning is disregarded here, pharmaceutical companies can make a lot of
profit before people find out about the possible downside of NSAIDs.

Don't worry; be happy.

Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] A Modest Proposal]]

1999-05-05 Thread Scott Brown

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> Scott Brown wrote:
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> > Robert Tatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > At the risk of being massively flamed, I am compelled by a sense of
> > > intellectual honesty to propose that the time has come to repeal the
Second
> > > Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
> >
> > Personally, I feel it would be a waste of my time to devote the time and
energy that is necessary to properly convey how your proposal dissgusts me. So
what I will say is this, I hope that you remember your decision if
> > we are deprived of our right to defend ourselves against tyranny. In the
remaining part of this year, and the next 3 or 4, you will see the error of
this ignorance.
> >
> > Scott Brown
>
> Disgusting or not you'll have to deal with it. Many of us are sick and
> tired
> of your mantra. We would like to get guns out of daily life and see
> what happens.
> If the death rate drops ( which it will ) then that's the way it will
> stay. No
> guns.
>
> It's going to happen. There is nothing you can do about it. And its
> about time.
>
> Joshua2

You can believe that making guns illegal is an eventuality all you want.
Why is it that the folks that claim nobody needs guns are also most often the
people who believe our government has the interest of the people in in mind?
Just like believing that you can disarm the public, this is pure fantasy. I
will tell you this, if you think you are going to take away my right to defend
myself and others as well, why don't you just try it and see what happens.




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