date:20010125


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From: "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Note the last paragraphs...most suicides don't shoot themselves in the
 chest..

   Interestingly, women who commit suicide are most likely to shoot themselves
 in the chest (according to several police posting to an 'ACSR Test Your
 Knowledge' site).

I don't buy that.  Both men and women aim the gun at their head, very often in the 
mouth (the way to do it if
you're really serious about off-ing yourself)...


June

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Re: [CTRL] My Untold Story by Ralph Nader


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Aleisha Saba wrote:

 Does anyone want to hear my life story?

Dear Gawd!  You've got more to say about your life?  You must be up to
Tome 23 by now!  What's it entitled?  The Never Ending Story of Saba?

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Re: [CTRL] Hilliary and her Eye Contact


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From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 He stared at my dog, who suddenly started to white, and ran around this
 man, and out the back door..so I had a cowardly dog - but when I
 called K 9 Choir this man was angry, and said if he tried that with one
 of his dogs, less than a 2nd the guy would be dead but he shared no
 secrets.

Nothing 'secret', just a knowledge of canine behavior and psychology...

While you may interpret your pet's coming to your side when the workman came in as a 
sign that the dog was
protecting you, in reality it was displaying 'beta' traits by joining forces with you, 
the perceived 'alpha'
member of the 'pack'...

And staring is a common way canines use to display, and assert, dominance.  The 
workman just used that known
trait to assert his dominant, 'alpha' status to the 'beta' member of your pack -- your 
pet dog -- who reacted
just like a 'beta' member and retreated.

I presume that "K 9 Choir" is a place that trains guard dogs, and as such the owner of 
such a business would
only have dogs that are 'alpha' material...and if you get two 'alphas' trying to 
assert dominance, you end up
with a fight.  THAT is why that man said his dogs would kill that man who played the 
'alpha' game with your
dog, not because of some sort of secret...


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[CTRL] Vatican Plot w/Peres to Contol Jerusalem for Church


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Subject: Vatican Plot w/Peres to Contol Jerusalem for Church
Date: Saturday, January 20, 2001 8:24 PM

Chamish - The Vatican's
Plot Against Israel
By Barry Chamish [EMAIL PROTECTED]





1-16-01

In March 1994, the newspaper Chadashot revealed a most remarkable secret of
the Middle East "peace" process. A friend of Shimon Peres, the French
intellectual Marek Halter, claimed in an interview that in May 1993, he
delivered a letter from Peres to the pope. Within, Peres promised to
internationalize Jerusalem, granting the UN political control of the Old City
of Jerusalem, and the Vatican hegemony of the holy sites within. The UN would
give the PLO a capital within its new territory and East Jerusalem would
become a kind of free trade zone of world diplomacy.   Halter's claim was
backed by the Italian newspaper La Stampa which added that Arafat was
apprised of the agreement and it was included in the secret clauses of the
Declaration Of Principles signed in Washington in September 1993.   In March
1995, the Israeli radio station Arutz Sheva was leaked a cable from the
Israeli Embassy in Rome to Peres's Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem confirming
the handover of Jerusalem to the Vatican. This cable was printed on the front
page of the radical leftwing Israeli newspaper, Haaretz two days later. A
scandal erupted and numerous rabbis who had invited Peres for Passover
services cancelled their invitations in protest of his treachery. Peres
reacted by claiming that the cable was real but that someone had whited out
the word, "not;" the cable really said that Israel would "not" hand Jerusalem
over to the holy pontiff.   Illustrating the sorry political state of
Israel's rabbis, they accepted this cockamamie excuse and re-invited Peres to
their tables. However, in the widely distributed minutes of a meeting with
Clinton in 1997, Peres reiterated his diplomacy, ending with the words, "as I
had previously promised the Holy See."   Peres's partner in crime, and the
real founder of the Oslo Accord, Yossi Beilin, coordinated his PLO policy
with the Vatican. Check the timing; at the same moment that he was finagling
an accord with the PLO, he was negotiating an agreement for Vatican
recognition of Israel. His deal with the pope became another brief scandal
when politicians like Agudat Yisrael head Avraham Shapira and Jerusalem
Deputy Mayor, Shmuel Meir were leaked hidden details of Beilin's accord which
included, "the extra-territoriality of holy sites in Jerusalem to be
transferred to Vatican control." Later, Shapira was neutralized by having
$250 million is debts accrued by his crooked carpet factory forgiven, while
Meir was permanently hushed when his car was crushed by a UN truck driven by
a PLO driver. The driver, of course, was released forever after being briefly
questioned by Israel Police.   Now let us jump to the present. The current
Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben Ami is shuttling between King Carlos of Spain and
the Vatican. That is where the action is for the Israeli government today,
and when things get serious, the focus shifts to Paris where Chirac, Albright
and Arafat await him.   There is no question whatsoever that the Vatican
wants Israel off the Temple Mount and that our leadership is accommodating
their desire. What I have not been able to pinpoint is why. However, material
sent to me appears to answer the question.   Allow me to preface a few
comments before I carry on. The vast majority of my ongoing readers are not
really conspiratorial in their outlook. What attracted them to my e-mail list
and books is that I solved the Rabin assassination to their satisfaction and
that I am offering more likely explanations for Israel's suicide than they
are getting from the mainstream media. It took five years for me to finally
instill the fact that the Council On Foreign Relations (CFR) in New York is
Israel's number one enemy, and despite pouring on the evidence time after
time, there are still doubters who refuse to believe that any organization
can have that much power. Every time I dig deep, I'm accused of going too
far, even of fantasizing imaginary foes.   So what am I going to do with the
evidence sent to me accusing the Society Of Jesus, whose members are known as
Jesuits, of being the real power behind the CFR and of being Israel and
Judaism's most vicious and successful enemy? My doubters are going to have a
field day with this revelation but I'm going ahead anyway. The weight of the
evidence is beyond merely compelling.   I had known for some time that a
former Jesuit priest, Malachi Martin had exposed his society's treachery at
great length. Numerous correspondents insisted I could not understand
Israel's dilemma

Re: [CTRL] McVeigh's execution date

2001-01-25 Thread John Cone


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--- Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

"For McVeigh somehow I believe, thought he was working
for official intelligence source..."
___

Nakano comments:  Yes, McVeigh was working for an
"official intelligence source."  During the peak
of the Desert Storm airwar, several hundred Iraqi
troops called "Republic Guards" surrendered in
Kuwait. They were keep in a prison compound in Saudi
Arabia for about a year.  These Iraqis appealed to
Bill Clinton for "political asylum".
He gave it to them and issued an order to allow them
to come and live in the United States.
They settled in groups in several U.S. cities.
(CBS 60 Minutes did a report about this).

One group of former Iraqi soldiers settled in..
are you ready for this...Oklahoma City.
Tim McVeigh was an undercover intelligence agent
assigned to keep tabs on this group. Several eye
witnesses in Oklahoma City reported seeing McVeigh
in the company of several of the Iraqis in the
days before the bombing.
The Federal Judge you mentioned was warned of the
bombing a week before it happened.
BTAF Office also had advance notice.
Several eyewitnesses reported seeing the
Oklahoma City Fire Dept. Bomb Squad and BATF agents
deployed in the area of the Murrah Building as much
as 3 hours before the explosion.
_
Aleisha Saba:
"McVeigh, who was not too bright face it, with a chin
like Jay Leno was easy target to find maybe?   Or
maybe to draw picture for a wanted ad?"
_

Nakano:

You are almost right on this one too.
McVeigh was chosen to be the "Patsy" because
there was a "McVeigh double" in the BATF.
This BATF agent and McVeigh looked almost like
twin brothers.  It was the McVeigh "double"
who was speeding 85 MPH in a car with no license
plates to purposely get pulled over and arrested.
That's why the FBI confiscated the mugshots, the
fingerprints records and even the bed sheets and
blankets from the jail where the McVeigh double
had been held for three days.  They removed all
evidence that might prove that the man who had
been arrested wasn't McVeigh.

One more thing.  McVeigh isn't a dummy.
He was an outstanding soldier.
Unfortunately, he is also a victim of
"mind control programming", and they put
a chip implant in him to control him.

I know this sounds like bizarre science fiction.
But have you noticed there have been only one or
two very carefully controlled interviews by
reporters with him?  No writer has come forward
to do interviews with McVeigh and write a book?
In fact, since the trial, there has been almost
nothing in the media about him.
WHY Not?

 Regards to All
   Nakano



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Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???


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Jeff Russo wrote:

 The education reform we need is something that will benefit ME: a total
 elimination of public primary and secondary education. Then people like me...
 childless people... would not be paying taxes to support schools that our
 nonexistent children are not attending.


Well, childless people paid taxes to help build the schools you went to
too.  Society is not just for the here and now and some of the
infrastructure you rely on was paid for by people a generation ago, and
people in another generation will be relying on some of what we put in
place now.  And yes, I am childless but I believe I have a
responsibility to help provide children with a good education, good
health care, a clean environment - I might be childless but I am part of
humanity, too.

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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders


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From: "Kindred Spirit" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 If it "appars to ALL THE WORLD" that I have called
 somebody a "coon" why did no one else attack me?

Because no one wanted to grant your post any suggestion of dignity that it did not 
deserve by wasting
bandwidth replying to it...


 Remember a while back when Kris put the "Caveat
 Lector" back on every post?

I'm not aware that it ever went away...


 That was so assholes like
 you would not assume because a person posts something,
 they endorse it.

No, it means just what it says, "Reader Beware"...which does NOT construe anything 
regarding whether a poster
endorses what they post or not.  Someone can endorse and believe in what they post, 
but the reader should
still be wary of it all the same...


 Personal beliefs are just that and I
 have no intention of sharing mine with scum like you,
 Mr. Name-calling Liar.

Then perhaps you have no place on a conspiracy research theory DISCUSSION list...


 I know a man who has driven home from
 a bar looped every night for forty years, however,
 without injuring another person other than himself.

Yourself, perhaps?  ;-)


 Kindred Spirit

We're still waiting to see your answer to the question that was raised previously:  
"'Kindred' to WHAT?"


June (who is sure she is now in for a round of vitriolic BS from KS)

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Re: [CTRL] FYI--The Real Story of Rosa Parks


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From: "Kindred Spirit" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 My grandmother named me and she is dead.

How could she name you if she is dead?  ;-)

And do you really claim that 'Kindred Spirit' is the name on your birth certificate, 
Colleen?


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Re: [CTRL] Survey


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From: "Fred R. Saluga" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I am beginning to start this project once again and hope to have it
 completed by early fall, if all goes well. I would like to thank those of you
 that participated in the intitial research and answered my survey. I hope
 that you will again take the time to complete the below listed survey.

Good luck.  Methinks you'll find the people here a tad too paranoid to be willing to 
answer, especially
'Kindred Spirit' who insists that no one ask her/him personal questions...   ;-)



  2. Would you list the reasons that you believe that law enforcement officers
 do not want to get involved in the investigation of UFOs ?

Takes away from their donut time at the local diner...


  3. Should UFO related incidents be investigated by:

Poets, musicians, and artists of all genres...



  4. Law Enforcement Officers are the first to receive a call from someone who
 has had a sighting or other related UFO incident.

Not necessarily.  In some locales the local airport may be called first...or the local 
radio talkshow...


 What steps do you believe
 law enforcement should take after receiving a call?

Leave those donuts dunked in the cuppa and get off their diner stools and go 
investigate the report...


  5. Do you believe that Law Enforcement would participate in a UFO COverup?

Quite frankly, on a local level, no...I believe local LEOs would be as in the dark as 
regular folk, and be fed
the same line of BS from those they themselves sought answers from...

Let's face it...it's not your local Barney Fifes who are orchestrating the whole UFO 
brouhaha...

Now, national-level law enforcement agencies are another case altogether...


  6. There have been numerous sightings of UFO's by the Law Enforcement
 Community in recent years and the Officers involved have come forward and
 reported the incidents to the media.
 A. Do you believe that the law enforcement community is starting to look
 at the UFO Phenomena more seriously and changing their attitudes?
 B. What do you believe is the reason that UFOs are appearing more and
 more to the Law Enforcement Community?

It's probably more a case of boomer-generation officers being more willing to discuss 
sightings, where their
predecessors decided that discretion was the better part of valor, when it came to 
reporting seeing something
strange in the sky...

So what I am saying is that it is not necessarily a case of more instances of LEOs 
being involved in Close
Encounters of the One thru Infinity kind, but rather that a new generation of cops is 
more willing to go
public with their experiences...


  8. Should the Law Enforcement Community should take alien abductions
 seriously and if you were a law enforcement officer, how would you proceed
 with this type of an investigation?

Just the facts, ma'am(and sir)...


   9. There are many psychological, physiological and adverse conditions
 associated with UFO incidents. Do you believe that the law enforcement
 community can handle these incidents objectively?

Can anyone?  There are psychological, physiological and adverse conditions associated 
with all manner of
non-UFO incidents that LEOs have to deal with every day; some handle it well, others 
don't.



June

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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders


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From: "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 You're absolutely right, June, and I hear they're going to do away with
 coffee breaks too.  Prudy

If you truly equate coffee breaks with what Clinton and Lewinsky did, there is 
obviously nothing more to
say...

Other than the rest of us recognize that 'sex breaks' are in a whole other category 
than coffee breaks...


June

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Re: [CTRL] For Saba22

2001-01-25 Thread Aleisha Saba


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Thanks Kansanby the way, the Genesis 49/50 to which the old masonic
bible was open when President Bush inaugurated -

The BAnners for Royal Arch Chapters, England - names sof the 12 Sons of
Jacob (and their astrological attributes)

Gad - A troop of horsemen -White

Ephriam - an ox - green

Asher - a cup - purple

Isschar - an ass crouching beneath its burden - blue

Judah - a lion couchant -scarlet

Napthali - a hind - blue

Benjamin - a wolf - green

Dan - an eagle - green

Manasseh- a vine by the side of a wall (page old, color cannot be read.

Zebulon - a ship, purple

Reuben - a man erect - no color given

Simeon - a sword - yellow

Gad is beginning of astrological calendar/maybe jewish calendar - March
21 to April 19, and so on until you read Simeon.

Another old book Stellars Masonic Astrology out of print but still
available gives more on this.

So George Bush - and Papa Bush are both Royal Arch - passwords "I Am
That I Am",,.this is where God appears to Moses in a burning bush,
which I always believed was a space ship - regardless later Moses
knocked off at top of Mt. Nebo - mountain climbing is still a very
dangerous sport and ..well Jesse Jackson didn't even make it to the
top..thank goodness.

Think that guy has stolen more than they will recover..so no Moses
this yearthe civil rights fights have been called offCNN
will go broke, and I think they are and were government subsidized -
propanda tool - and if Ted Turner ever sobers up he will wonder what
happened to all his money - for he gave much of it to the UN.

Such is life...so Huzzah - be good you all.
Think you are right about Oklahoma;  also think our feds would do well
to release John Gotti..the streets were a lot safer then.

Saba

And now who will replace Larry Flynt?   And Carville - both look equally
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[CTRL] Alien Rapture: The Chosen


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Alien Rapture: The Chosen
 by Edgar Rothschild Fouche, Brad Steiger

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Editorial Reviews The author, Edgar Fouche , September 12, 1998 A
personal note from the Author of Alien Rapture When I begin researching
Alien Rapture - The Chosen I had only read one book on UFOs, and that
book was Project Blue Book. So it was an amazing coincidence that Brad
Steiger, the esteemed author of Project Blue Book, ultimately became my
co-author.

I am not a conspiracy buff, nor am I a UFOlogist. In 1990 you could not have
convinced me that some of our most advanced technology was derived
from reverse engineering of alien technology and alien artifacts. Five of my
close friends, some of whom had also worked very classified exotic black
programs; one who had flown the SR-71 Blackbird spy plane and been Air
Force Test Pilot; and another who had been a National Security
investigator, shared information with me which had not previously been
revealed. I interviewed a number of their closest and most trusted friends to
gather even more startling information. These additional connected
individuals trusted me not to reveal my sources because I had been
vouched for by my contacts and friends.

The resulting work, Alien Rapture - The Chosen, offers an altogether new
slant provided by insiders who would not have dared speak to the media or
other writers in this field. Therefore, instead of rehashing the same
information available in a pletoria of existing books, in Alien Rapture you
will discover a myriad of never before released facts about top secret black
technology; the government conspiracy to cover up alien contact and
reverse engineering of alien technology; and documents never previously
revealed to the public. The draft of Alien Rapture and the attached
documents were copyrighted in 1994 in order to prove we had this
information at that time. The details in the Roswell autopsy report were
obtained before the, 'government made for disinformation,' autopsy film
appeared.

Brad Steiger, a master writer, and I have woven this information into a story
about normal individuals who begin a quest to discover the roots and
means of this conspiracy in order to reveal this information to the public.
The story stands on its own, and even those not interested in secret
technology or classified government documents (attachments) should find
Alien Rapture-The Chosen a fast-paced enjoyable read with a thought
provoking and inspiring ending. Enjoy.

The author, Edgar Rothschild Fouche fouchemedia.com , August 4, 1998
The facts and technology in this book are new and amazing. It took five
years of interviews and cross checking facts onthe governments hidden
agenda dealing with UFO contacts and reverseengineering of alien
technology to write Alien Rapture. Brad Steiger is a noted UFO expert and
researcher. My bio is posted on the web and details the black and special
programs I've worked. Although written as a fiction story about several
people on a quest to uncover the 'truth' about the MJ-12 committee and the
Top Secret government cover-up, the facts, technology,... read more


7 of 8 people found the following review helpful:

The BEST novel I've read in years!, October 9, 1999 Reviewer: Frank
Andrews (see more about me) from Oakland One of the best fact based
fiction books I've ever read. I hope Hollywood is sharp enough to option the
work. Written as a novel, Ed Fouche (Ex-DoD Black Program's Insider) is
able to take advantage of his experience, working at and within Area 51,
the top secret Nevada test site. Due to security clearances he felt it
necessary to tell the story as a novel, and what a story it is! At least this way
it gives the Government ?plausible deniability.? The hero/protagonist is
Joe Green. The story develops that we are not alone, and Joe discovers
that the Government is not telling us the truth about virtually everything,
particularly the aliens among us. Read between the lines, MJ-12 is a
sinister plot, leading to developmental sub- plots at Area 51 in Nevada.
Unusual gunmen, professional killers, torturers and psychotics abound, as
does a New Age preacher by the name of Page St. John. St. John gives a
new, and entirely acceptable, meaning to ?The Rapture ?, which is
plausible, possible and believable. Unlike Hollywood, there are no weird
monsters or giant reptiles drooling with gallons of saliva. There are some
tough times coming according to the Jexovah. Without giving anything
away, the superb writing, plot development and technology shines through,
for those who seek it. Read it as a thought-provoking piece of
entertainment, based in fact, liberally splashed with

[CTRL] BeefEaters

2001-01-25 Thread Euphorix


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Untangling the Deadly 'Mad Cow' Mystery

Barry James International Herald Tribune
Thursday, December 7, 2000


PARIS Nobody knows how it started. Nobody knows how it will end. Nobody knows how
many people eventually will die from it. Those are among the frightening mysteries
scientists are discovering about "mad cow" disease, or BSE, the bovine form of
transmissible spongiform encephalopathy.
The disease can arise out of nowhere and lie dormant for years, which the official
British BSE Inquiry believes is how it started in England. Perhaps only one cow
spontaneously developed the disease at first. To become an epidemic it needed an
amplifier, which in Britain was the practice of feeding grazing animals the ground-
up remains of others of their species.
In Europe, 91 people are known to have contracted variant Creutzfeldt Jakob disease,
the fatal neurodegenerative affliction that humans can develop when exposed to
infected meat. Creutzfeldt Jakob disease, which leads to dementia and eventually
leaves the brain pitted with holes and resembling a sponge, was first identified
independently by two German doctors in the 1920s, but until recently it was a
condition of the elderly. Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease also attacks younger
people, some of them in their teens.
The human toll might seem small when compared with diseases like malaria, which
kills millions of people every year. But the prospect of turning loose a stealthy,
deadly and largely unknown pathogen is what most concerns scientists across Europe.
The mad cow scare has touched off a panicky reaction against eating beef, but the
worrisome fact is that many people already may be infected, perhaps because proteins
known as prions that had somehow become aberrant were lurking in their baby food or
hamburger many years ago.
The danger to humanity, scientists say, is that the general level of potential
infection will rise, making it easier for the disease to emerge in future
generations. This threat is illustrated by the speed at which bovine
 spongiform encephalopathy amplified among cattle in Britain in just a few years. 
There have now been more than 180,000 cases, with many others doubtlessly undiscovered 
among the 4.8 million cows culled and destroyed sinc
e 1996 in an attempt to check the disease. An article in the science journal Nature 
estimated that 975,000 infected cows entered the food supply.
Here is a chilling catalogue, drawn from two dozen interviews with experts and a 
review of scores of scientific documents, including Britain's recent 16-volume 
official BSE report, which illustrates why scientists are so
concerned about BSE and related spongiform diseases that can affect most species of 
mammals and birds:
The pathogen that wipes out memory, personality and physical functions is 
extraordinarily tenacious. It resists heat, alcohol, boiling, ultraviolet light and 
ionizing radiation. Surgical instruments that come in contact
with it can remain contaminated after normal sterilization procedures, and researchers 
don body protection before handling it.
The pathogen can survive years of being buried in the soil, which is worrisome given 
that cattle remains often end up in landfills. Iceland in the 1950s slaughtered all 
its sheep to eliminate a related disease called scra
pie. When it brought in healthy animals, scrapie soon reappeared. Some scientists 
believe that scrapie can mask low levels of BSE in sheep.
While they take time to emerge, perhaps over many decades in humans, the spongiform 
diseases are highly infectious. According to British scientists, a cow can get BSE by 
eating one gram of infected material - a speck the
 size of a peppercorn - from another cow. Even a minute trace of the material in meat 
and bone meal, the protein supplement produced from rendered animal remains, can 
infect a cow.
The European Union's Standing Scientific Committee says that "the minimal infective 
dose considered to be valid for animals should also be applied for humans." Nobody 
knows what a minimal dose is, but British scientists d
iscovered that a piece of wire that had been in contact with the pathogen for five 
minutes became as infectious as a solution made from infected brain.
Although the spongiform diseases are most infectious among members of the same 
species, they can jump the barrier to other species with varying levels of ease. Much 
has still to be learned about this species barrier, par
ticularly so far as humans are concerned. Scrapie, for example, is believed not to 
infect humans. But in the United States, doctors identified several cases of variant 
Creutzfeldt Jakob disease among people who had eaten
squirrel brains, and scientists warn that a spongiform encephalopathy called chronic 
wasting disease, found among deer and elk in the United

[CTRL] Man Gets Through Security, Shakes Bush's Hand


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(Shook heads, mind control reference. LOL. I think he is an alien trying to
contact the President directly to ask once again appeal for the destruction
of all weapons in return for free energy and antigravity, etc. The aliens are
kind of naive I think. Or maybe he just issured him a kind but firm ultimatum.
 He even had some type of secret society style white medalian when he
approached Clinton. Maybe some type of mind control induction device?
But the need for discretion is paramount now that Bush is the P. of UE--SW)

Wednesday January 24 9:25 PM ET

CORRECTED: Man Gets Through Security, Shakes Bush's Hand

(Corrects first paragraph to read ``shook hands'' instead of ''shook heads'')

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A man without proper clearance walked through
security checkpoints during the presidential inauguration and shook hands
with newly sworn-in President George W. Bush (news - web sites), the
White House said on Wednesday.

The unarmed man, who was not identified, was the same person who
performed a similar act during Bill Clinton's second inauguration in 1997.

He got through security despite the fact that guards were on the lookout for
him in case he tried his prank again.

``He has done this before. And the president was never in any type of risk
at all. And we have full faith and confidence in the Secret Service: They do
their job, they do it professionally, they do it well,'' said White House
spokesman Ari Fleischer.

Fleischer said the man had a pass for the standing-room- only area for
inauguration spectators outside the Capitol last Saturday, and went through
at least one metal detector.

The Washington Post said the man somehow made it into a VIP section
and then into the Capitol. Shortly after Bush was sworn in as president, and
while proceeding to a lunch in the Capitol, the man shook Bush's hand.

Fleischer said the man also handed Bush a coin of some sort.

``It happens all the time on the campaign trail, people hand you little
mementos like that,'' Fleischer told reporters.

He said the matter was being reviewed as to how the man got into the
area.

Television news footage showed the balding man walk up confidently to
Bush outside the Capitol and chat to him, unimpeded by security staff.

In July 1998, a man using a nearby entrance to the Capitol stormed past a
metal detector with a gun and opened fire in the corridors of the building,
killing two police officers.


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[CTRL] TR-3B Antigravity Physics Explained


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TR-3B Antigravity Physics Explained
   by John Kooiman

http://www.fouchemedia.com/Kooiman.htm

To be correct, I probably should say, TR-3B Antigravity Physics Explained,
insofar as General Relativity can be considered an explanation for gravity.

Many readers of this list are probably already familiar with Edgar Fouches
description of the USAs Top Secret TR-3B triangular shaped nuclear
powered aerospace craft. If not, read about it here:
http://fouchemedia.com/arap/speech.htm.

Mr. Fouche describes the TR-3Bs propulsion system as follows:

A circular, plasma filled accelerator ring called the Magnetic Field
Disrupter, surrounds the rotatable crew compartment and is far ahead of
any imaginable technology... The plasma, mercury based, is pressurized at
250,000 atmospheres at a temperature of 150 degrees Kelvin, and
accelerated to 50,000 rpm to create a super-conductive plasma with the
resulting gravity disruption.

The MFD generates a magnetic vortex field, which disrupts or neutralizes
the effects of gravity on mass within proximity, by 89 percent...

The current MFD in the TR-3B causes the effect of making the vehicle
extremely light, and able to outperform and outmaneuver any craft yet ...My
sources say the performance is limited only the stresses that the human
pilots can endure. Which is a lot, really, considering along with the 89%
reduction in mass, the G forces are also reduced by 89%.

The crew of the TR-3B should be able to comfortable take up to 40Gs...
Reduced by 89%, the occupants would feel about 4.2 Gs.

The TR-3Bs propulsion is provided by 3 multimode thrusters mounted at
each bottom corner of the triangular platform. The TR-3 is a sub-Mach 9
vehicle until it reaches altitudes above l20,000 feet - then who knows how
fast it can go!...?

I was skeptical of Mr. Fouches claims when I first read them, as Im sure
that many of you are, but I was interested enough to do further research on
what happens when you spin a plasma at high speeds in a ring (toroidal)
configuration. I came across a physics article (sorry, I cant seem to locate
the source right now) that described this exact configuration. The article
said that, surprisingly, the charged particles of the plasma dont just spin
uniformly around the ring, but they tend to take up a synchronized, tightly
pitched, helical (screw thread) motion as they move around the ring. This
can be understood in a general way as follows: the charged particles
moving around the ring act as a current that in turn sets up a magnetic field
around the ring. It is a well-known fact that electrons (or ions) tend to move
in a helical fashion around magnetic field lines. Although it is a highly
complex interaction, it only requires a small leap of faith to believe that the
end result of these interactions between the moving charged particles
(current) and associated magnetic fields results in the helical motion
described above. In other words, the charged particles end up moving in
very much the same pattern as the current on a wire tightly wound around a
toroidal core.

I thought that this was an interesting fact, but didnt see how it could
possibly relate to antigravity, until I ran across the following article:
Guidelines to Antigravity by Dr. Robert Forward, written in 1962 (available
at: http://www.whidbey.com/forward/pdf/tp007.pdf). Dr. Forwards article
describes several little known aspects of Einsteins General Relativity
Theory that indicate how moving matter can create unusual gravitational
effects. When I saw Figure 5 in Dr. Forwards article, the pieces of the
puzzle all fell together. I instantly saw how the moving matter pattern that Dr.
Forward describes as necessary to generate a gravitational dipole was
exactly the same as the plasma ring pattern described in the physics article
discussed above! If Fouches description is even close to correct, then the
TR-3B utilizes this little known loophole in General Relativity Theory to
create its antigravity effects! Even though the TR-3B can only supposedly
cancel 89% of gravity (and inertia) today, there is no reason why the
technology cant be improved to exceed 100% and achieve true antigravity
capability!

In theory, this same moving matter pattern could be mechanically
reproduced by mounting a bunch of small gyroscopes all around the larger
ring, with their axis on the larger ring, and then spinning both the
gyroscopes and the ring at high speeds. However, as Dr. Forward points
out any such mechanical system would probably fly apart before any
significant antigravity effects could be generated. However, as Dr. Forward
states, By using electromagnetic forces to contain rotating systems, it
would be possible for the masses to reach relativistic velocities; thus a
comparatively small amount of matter, if dense enough and moving fast
enough, could produce usable gravitational effects.

The requirement for a dense material moving at relativistic speeds would
explain the use of

[CTRL] Man Gets Through Security, Shakes Bush's Hand


-Caveat Lector-

(Shook heads, mind control reference. LOL. I think he is an alien trying to
contact the President directly to ask once again appeal for the destruction
of all weapons in return for free energy and antigravity, etc. The aliens are
kind of naive I think. Or maybe he just issured him a kind but firm ultimatum.
 He even had some type of secret society style white medalian when he
approached Clinton. Maybe some type of mind control induction device?
But the need for discretion is paramount now that Bush is the P. of UE--SW)

Wednesday January 24 9:25 PM ET

CORRECTED: Man Gets Through Security, Shakes Bush's Hand

(Corrects first paragraph to read ``shook hands'' instead of ''shook heads'')

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A man without proper clearance walked through
security checkpoints during the presidential inauguration and shook hands
with newly sworn-in President George W. Bush (news - web sites), the
White House said on Wednesday.

The unarmed man, who was not identified, was the same person who
performed a similar act during Bill Clinton's second inauguration in 1997.

He got through security despite the fact that guards were on the lookout for
him in case he tried his prank again.

``He has done this before. And the president was never in any type of risk
at all. And we have full faith and confidence in the Secret Service: They do
their job, they do it professionally, they do it well,'' said White House
spokesman Ari Fleischer.

Fleischer said the man had a pass for the standing-room- only area for
inauguration spectators outside the Capitol last Saturday, and went through
at least one metal detector.

The Washington Post said the man somehow made it into a VIP section
and then into the Capitol. Shortly after Bush was sworn in as president, and
while proceeding to a lunch in the Capitol, the man shook Bush's hand.

Fleischer said the man also handed Bush a coin of some sort.

``It happens all the time on the campaign trail, people hand you little
mementos like that,'' Fleischer told reporters.

He said the matter was being reviewed as to how the man got into the
area.

Television news footage showed the balding man walk up confidently to
Bush outside the Capitol and chat to him, unimpeded by security staff.

In July 1998, a man using a nearby entrance to the Capitol stormed past a
metal detector with a gun and opened fire in the corridors of the building,
killing two police officers.

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[CTRL] The Queen Mum (About Hitler)


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Subject: The Queen Mum (About Hitler)
Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:07 AM

'Queen Mum wanted peace with Hitler'


By Sophie Goodchild, Home Affairs Correspondent
The Independent
5 March 2000

When Oxford University's Bodleian Library released a tranche of papers
relating to the royal family last week, one box of documents was missing:
the rapidly notorious Box 24.
Experts assumed that the papers had been suppressed because they contained
vitriolic remarks by the Queen Mother about the Duchess of Windsor. This,
senior government sources have told the Independent on Sunday, is not the
case. The reason that papers were withheld is potentially far more
embarrassing: they spell out the true extent of the Queen Mother's
pro-appeasement views on the brink of the Second World War.
The papers, part of a collection of letters belonging to the first Viscount
Monckton of Brenchley, a close friend of Edward VIII, dwell on the
relationship between the Queen Mother and the pro-appeasement foreign
secretary, Lord Halifax. The letters are said to show her hostility towards
Churchill and her desire that the deeply unpopular Halifax be Prime Minister
instead.
The letters, which include private correspondence between the Queen Mother
and Halifax himself, suggest the battle to preserve the monarchy was a
concern which weighed above all others. As leader, Halifax was likely to
have sued for peace with Hitler on the understanding that he allowed the
monarchy to continue under a Nazi occupation.
Lord Halifax was foreign secretary between 1939 and 1940 but was sent to
Washington by Winston Churchill to be British Ambassador from 1941 to 1946.
He died in 1959.
Philip Ziegler, who wrote the official biography of Edward VIII, said he had
seen only the letters relating to the abdication but confirmed that the
Queen Mother had a close relationship with Halifax. "She was known to be
very fond of Halifax indeed," he said.


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[CTRL] WHITE HOUSE OFFICES LEFT 'TRASHED': PORN BOMBS.......

2001-01-25 Thread tnohava


  Brought to you by the Clinton/Gore Administration

 http://drudgereport.com/wh93a.htm
X DRUDGE REPORT X WED JAN 24, 2001 18:51 ET X

WHITE HOUSE OFFICES LEFT 'TRASHED': PORN BOMBS, LEWD MESSAGES; LEGAL PROBE
CONSIDERED

**Exclusive Details**

The Bush Administration has quietly launched an investigation into apparent
acts of vandalism and destruction of federal property -- after incoming Bush
staffers discover widespread sabotage of White House office equipment and
lewd messages left behind by previous tenants!

Harriet Miers, 55, Assistant to President Bush and staff secretary will be
investigating possible legal ramifications of the White House trashing and
possible theft, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

"Miers is just beginning her investigation," a well-place source said late
Wednesday from Washington. "The level of the trashing is very troubling,
this is not just 'W' keys missing from keyboards."

The damage left by departing Clintonites goes "way beyond pranks, to
vandalism", said a close Bush adviser.

White House employees aren't waiting to be interviewed by Miers. They are
providing names of the worst malefactors, previous occupants of specific
offices.

Photographic and audio evidence is being collected -- as the full scope of
the damage becomes clear.

Bush's staff has been cautioned not to go public with the extent of the
damage and the worst is being closely held among very top staffers for fear
of leaks. But, according to sources, so far Bush officials have found:

*Phone lines were cut, rendering them inoperable.

*Voice mail messages were changed to obscene, scatological greetings. One
Bush staffer had his grandmother call from the Midwest. She was horrified by
what she heard on the other end of the line.

*Many phone lines misdirected to other government offices.

*Desks found turned completely upside down and trash deliberately left
everywhere.

*Computer printers that were filled with blank paper but interspersed with
pornographic pictures and obscene slogans that would be revealed only as
items were run off the computer.

*'W' keys weren't just pried off more than 40 keyboards, some were glued on
with Superglue; some were turned upside down and glued on.

*Filing cabinets glued shut.

*VP Office space in the Old Executive Office Building found in complete
shambles. Mrs. Gore had to phone Mrs. Cheney to apologize, first reported by
Rich Galen's Mullings.

*Lewd MagicMarker graffiti found on one office hallway.

Developing...

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[CTRL] Flight800: Missile Witness Analysis

2001-01-25 Thread Ian Goddard


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 ---  OFFICIAL  MISSILE - WITNESS  STUDY  ---

  RESULTS  RELEASED  NOW  AVAILABLE  ON-LINE

  (c) 01/25/01 Ian Williams Goddard

  Last June, media such as Newsday [*] reported that the National
  Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) was conducting a study of
  accounts given by test witnesses of Stinger missiles test fired
  in atmospheric conditions like those during the Flight 800 crash.
  The main goal was testing the visibility of launches over distance.
  Newsday defined the study as a test of the Flight-800 missile theory
  and an NTSB official said it would help them "wrap up the case."[*]

  And yet nine months after the test launches on 4/28/00, no media
  I know of has published a follow-up with the results of the NTSB's
  Missile Visibility Study. However, Goddard's Journal has acquired
  the results of the Missile Visibility Study from the NTSB and has
  made the results available to the public for the first time over
  the Net: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/mvs-c.htm . These genuine
  missile-witness accounts provide a valuable point of analytical
  reference for those seeking to understand Flight-800 accounts
  (here: http://www.ntsb.gov/events/twa800/exhibits_web.htm).

  The NTSB study placed witnesses at locations from 2 to 12 nautical
  miles from the test-missile launch site. The NTSB study concluded:
  "The three missile launches were easily detected by all observers."
  Missile-theory critics have said such visibility was impossible.
  This NTSB study not only confirms the visibility of a very-small
  missile at 12 nm, but also reveals dramatic similarities between
  missile-test witnesses and dozens of Flight 800 witness accounts
  of an upward-streaking light that culminated in the explosive
  demise of Flight 800, as these witness summaries demonstrate:


MISSILE-TEST WITNESS  FLIGHT-800 WITNESS ACCOUNT SIMILARITIES

MISSILE-TEST WITNESS: saw "small light came from behind trees,
traveled up into sky...after short period of time saw flash."
(witness initials cdh, witnessed event 2)

FLIGHT-800 WITNESS: saw "a flare rise up from below the tree line...
rising at a 65 degree angle at a steady speed ...flare left behind a
smoke trail ... streaming out from behind flare." (FBI witness 108)

MISSILE-TEST WITNESS: "yellow light or plume climbing 60 degree
angle at high speed and then orange yellow detonation." (jds3)

FLIGHT-800 WITNESS: saw "flare...orangy-red in color...arched
slightly at an approximate 70 degree angle while it made the
ascent ...object may have traveled 1 to 2 miles vertically." (521)

MISSILE-TEST WITNESS: saw "white star shooting straight up..." (slr2)

FLIGHT-800 WITNESS: saw "large commercial jet...[then] saw a streak
of light travel up from the water into the sky...[like] a rocket or
like a shooting star only going upward ...[then] saw flash." (221)

MISSILE-TEST WITNESS: "light like starlight going up...later a flash" (glc6)

FLIGHT-800 WITNESS: "observed what he thought was a shooting star...
moved faster than an airplane ... it approached the aircraft." (34)

MISSILE-TEST WITNESS: "white glow like missile rising rapidly on 80 to
85 degree angle from the surface, detonation at high altitude." (dfr2)

FLIGHT-800 WITNESS: saw "small trail arching upward ... trail arched
almost vertically upward at a seventy to an eighty-degree angle." (535)

MISSILE-TEST WITNESS: saw "white light going up into sky." (dam3)

FLIGHT-800 WITNESS: "observed a bright white light arching into the
sky...at an angle not exactly vertical, and travel over the ocean." (241)

MISSILE-TEST WITNESS: "high speed object...arched up...then saw
detonation." (jds2)

FLIGHT-800 WITNESS: "noticed a flare...rising into the air. ...
[it was] a steady glow and rose at a steady, remarkable pace." (233)

MISSILE-TEST WITNESS: "light went up into air at high rate of speed." (rsh3)

FLIGHT-800 WITNESS: "saw a red object flying upward ... much bigger
than any flare he had ever seen. ...he next saw a big explosion." (8)

MISSILE-TEST WITNESS: "bright orange fire trail going straight up." (jtm2)

FLIGHT-800 WITNESS: "saw a streak of red orange light...head straight
up or at a slight one o'clock angle. ...bigger than a flare." (9)

MISSILE-TEST WITNESS: saw "yellow red fireball rapidly climbing..." (jac2)

FLIGHT-800 WITNESS: "observed reddish-orange fireball rising in the sky."
(209)

MISSILE-TEST WITNESS: saw "golden flame shooting straight up." (rtm3)

FLIGHT-800 WITNESS: saw "orange flare ... which went straight up." (80)

MISSILE-TEST WITNESS: saw "yellow ball ascending into clouds." (mmb2)

FLIGHT-800 WITNESS: "observed a small orange-colored glowing ball of
light travelling up in the sky." (356)

MISSILE-TEST WITNESS: "orange...pin light going straight up..." (glc2)

FLIGHT-800 WITNESS: "short pin-flash of light appeared on the ground,
perhaps water," which looked "like a rocket launch at a fireworks
display." (Sven Faret, private pilot)

MISSILE-TEST WITNESS:

[CTRL] Class Action Civil suit v. Clinton et al


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 The United States District Court
 for the District of New Hampshire

 The People
 vs.
 William Jefferson Clinton,
   Hillary Rodham Clinton,
 Janet Reno, et alia

A Writ of Complaint by a Class Action

 Now comes the people of the United States in a Class Action,
 and
 make
 the following Complaint against fellow citizen William Jefferson
 Clinton,
 formerly governor of Arkansas, former president of the United States,
 his
 wife Hillary Rodham Clinton, and the former attorney general of the
 United
 States of America, Janet Reno, and others. The charges we make are:

 (1) that William Jefferson Clinton did as the head of his
 branch of
 government order and/or approve, but did not avert, the execution of
 the
 wrongful deaths of some 90 persons groundlessly slaughtered,
 massacred, in
 Waco Texas in 1993, orders which were carried out by then Attorney
 General
 Janet Reno, who was responsible to him, and shares his guilt, and the
 guilt
 of all the agents of the senseless slaughter of those
 innocent victims. Now that no government operations are any longer
 possibly
 jeopardized by this action, immunity for their immoral, inhuman mass
 murder
 can no longer be maintained;

 (2) that William Jefferson Clinton with his wife Hillary,
 with other
 accomplices, wrongfully deprived the United States taxpayers by
 reparations
 paid out through the Resolution Trust Corporation, by robbing the
 Morgan
 Guarantee Bank of some $60 million dollars;

 (3) that William Jefferson Clinton may be responsibly linked
 to the
 wrongful deaths by unlawful execution of some 38 or more persons
 associated
 with him formerly in one way or another in his ruthless climb to the
 presidency of the United States;

 (4) that William Jefferson Clinton did violate his
 Constitutional
 oath of office in lying before a grand jury (we do not charge him for
 following his genetic urges), and in setting a vile moral example for
 all
 Americans of a liar at the head of the government (even lying about
 his
 lying
 in his plea bargain with the Section 372 special prosecutor),
 and in trying to legislate like a dictator by issuing a spate of
 executive
 orders and government land grabs in his final days in office which
 are
 wholly
 anti-constitutional and violative of the separation of powers.

 Submitted by concerned American citizens. A jury trial is
 requested
 and is protected from Summary Judgment by non-Statutory Abatement.


 Agents:

Dr Andrew D Tempelman   Henry McElroy
 Jerry
 Gutekunst

 Bernard Bastian Joel
 Sigrist

 Dated January 22, 2001



 News Release
 January 22, 2001

 A group of private citizens today filed a class action
 lawsuit in
 the
 United States District Court for the District of New Hampshire in
 Concord,
 New Hampshire, against former President William Jefferson Clinton,
 his wife
 Hillary Rodham Clinton, former Attorney General Janet Reno, and
 others not
 named. The complaint alleged :

 [text of Writ of Complaint]

 The filers believe that no time should be lost in making it
 clear
 that no official shall be permitted literally "to get away with
 murder" as
 this man and his accomplices have done, destroying the moral fabric
 of this
 nation by committing the most heinous crimes in humanity, mass
 murder, and
 that more than once, bank robbery, blatant lying under oath, even
 lying
 about
 his lies, passing hosts of legislative acts which masquerade as
 "executive
 orders," etc, etc. There is enough to convict this man and wife and
 accomplice in the "Justice Department" to put them all away for the
 rest of
 their lives. We file the case civilly, inviting a criminal action by
 criminal
 prosecutors.

 Any deal this man and his cronies may have wangled with the
 special
 prosecutor is no concern of ours. And there is no point in waiting.
 Symboli
 cally, it is important to nail these people before their chairs in
 the White
 House have cooled off, and before their shadows have been swept off
 the
 threshold.

 We invite any other citizens who have found themselves
 outraged by
 this group of leaders pretending to be our leaders to contact us and
 become
 part of the action.

 Call the following numbers   603-654-6440603-261-5892
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Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???


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Jeff, I agree with you. I home school 2 children. I'd much rather pay
user fees for the library, field trips and the recreation center than
the $2800 in school taxes I paid last year.

Tenorlove

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 The education reform we need is something that will benefit ME: a
 total
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: What Rapists Look For In Female Targets (Self-defense)


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Thanks for the extra info, Damaeus.

BTW, how this ties into conspiracy theory: Consciously or
unconsciously, rape could be considered a conspiracy to keep women in
fear, thus preventing them from reaching their full potential.

One more thing: women with infants and small children are particularly
vulnerable, because they are obviously distracted. If I had to go to
the mall with the kids when they were little, I went with another adult
as well. Plus there was always a pair of eyes on the kids, for their
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Re: [CTRL] Columbia - drug war my ass. Here's the real reason.


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  Also, Venezuela is denying the US airspace access for it's 'drug-fighting'
planes.

"... in the fight against illegal drugs worries some US officials ... they
are losing patience, because Chavez Frias has not reversed his decision last
June to ban US surveillance planes from flying over Venezuela." (Monday, June
19, 2000 )

(http://www.vheadline.com/0006/8644.htm)


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  Hugo Chavez, has assumed nearly total power and has forged and/or
  strengthened ties with Cuba, Libya, Iraq, Iran, and North Korea. As he's
  done this, by some strange coincidence the Clinton Administration has
  decided to send massive "drug-fighting" military aid to neighboring
  Colombia, giving us a military presence on Venezuela's border. In the last
  week, Colombia recalled its Venezuelan envoy because a spokeswoman for a
  left-wing guerrilla group was invited to speak to the Venezuelan Congress.
  Venezuela then recalled its envoy from Colombia, as President Chavez called
  the Colombian government "a rancid oligarchy that does not understand
  peace." Recently, Venezuela protested an American warship's intrusion into
  its waters, allegedly chasing drug smugglers. All the ingredients of
  conflict are in place. And W. is naming all the Gulf War's architects to
his
  cabinet; one of that war's chief strategists, Dick Cheney, would be W.'s
  vice-president. Good morning, Vietnam.


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[CTRL] Fwd: FEAR: IJ Bulletin on their victory in Carol Thomas case

2001-01-25 Thread kl


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Victory in New Jersey asset forfeiture case
--
   Former deputy sheriff Carol Thomas won her bid to have her car
   returned and to continue a counter suit against the state of New
   Jersey. Her car was seized when her son used it without her
   knowledge to sell marijuana to an undercover officer. (1/19/01)

http://www.ij.org/media/private_property/index2.html


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[CTRL] Jesse knows best

2001-01-25 Thread tnohava




 http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21471
Jesse knows best?




 2001 WorldNetDaily.com



Now we know. Rev. Jesse Jackson's admission that he fathered a child out of
wedlock helps to answer the big question. Why does the so-called black
leadership fail to fight the No. 1 problem facing the black community:
children having children?

In his statement acknowledging an extra-marital affair resulting in the
birth of a daughter, Jackson said, "I was born of these circumstances, and I
know the importance of growing up in a nurturing, supportive and protected
environment. So I am determined to give my daughter and her mother the
privacy they both deserve."

Jackson also said he provides "emotional and financial support" to the
mother and their daughter.

Flashback to 1970. Sociology 101: My college freshman class read a highly
controversial book by Daniel Patrick Moynihan, later the Democratic senator
for the state of New York. His book, "The Negro Family: A Case for National
Action," made an argument many considered racist -- that the rising number
of black children born outside of wedlock threatens the stability of the
black community. The nearly all-liberal, predominantly white class went
bonkers. They taunted Moynihan, calling him "racist," "Eurocentric,"
"patriarchal," as well as one who subscribes to "middle-class values."

But now we know. Since Lyndon Johnson's so-called War on Poverty, government
taxpayers "invested" trillions of dollars, much of it designed to "alleviate
poverty." The result? In the last 30 years, the black poverty rate
stagnated, while the percentage of black children born outside of wedlock
exploded from 25 percent to nearly 70 percent. What, no marches, no
picketing, no sit-ins?

The absence of a father in the home increases the odds of a child going on
welfare, dropping out of school, getting involved in crime or becoming a
teen parent. Did Rev. Jackson's situation, and his possible concern about
the revelation of his out-of-wedlock child, cause him to pull his punches on
this disturbing phenomenon?

Certainly we place Jackson -- as an adult with resources -- in a different
category than a teen-ager impregnating another teen-ager, after which the
male often abandons his spiritual, emotional and financial obligations. The
president of the NAACP, Kweisi Mfume, fathered five children out of wedlock.
Like Jackson, he says that he supported and remained involved in the
children's lives. But because of his past, does Mfume, like Jackson, spend
more time pursuing the Great White Bigot at the expense of far more pressing
issues of personal responsibility?

In 1911, Booker T. Washington said, "There is (a) class of colored people
who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships
of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to
make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit
of advertising their wrongs -- partly because they want sympathy and partly
because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his
grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. ... " And, "There
is a certain class of race problem-solvers who don't want the patient to get
well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy
means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make
themselves prominent before the public." Hm-mm.

Rev. Jackson frequently complains about the income and net worth gap between
blacks and whites. But the employment rate for married black men approaches
parity with that of married white men. And, for welfare recipients, the
quickest and easiest route out of poverty remains marriage. Men who father
children and then take a hike create the moral equivalent of a drive-by
shooting. Jackson, Mfume, and other "black leaders" could and should lead
the charge. But they don't.

Think tanks like the Heritage Foundation, as well as many government
studies, reach the same conclusion: Dads matter. Black columnist Jonetta
Rose Barras wrote, "At 13, my older sister was pregnant and unmarried. I
followed in her footsteps, becoming pregnant at 17, continuing a series of
bad choices. My older brother had already begun his walk down his own
crooked road, getting arrested by the time he was 16 on a half-dozen
occasions for petty crimes. We were linked by fatherlessness. None of us
knew it then, but the loss of our father through divorce ravaged our lives.
It took two decades to discover fatherlessness was at the core of my
vandalized childhood and resulting adult dysfunction."

Reconciling Jackson's behavior with his wife is Jackson's business, for he
is an adult who acknowledges his paternity and who possesses resources for
the child's welfare. But what about the inner-city 15-year-old who gets
pregnant by a 19-year-old "inseminator"? It may be hard for a Jesse Jackson
or a Kweisi

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[CTRL] Jesse Jackson's babymom paid by Rainbow board


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Subject: Jesse Jackson's babymom paid by Rainbow board
Date: Sunday, January 21, 2001 7:42 AM

Notice the nice, warm and fuzzy touch: "babymom" instead of calling
her what she was --- JESSE JACKSON'S MISTRESS!



http://www.examiner.com/headlines/default.jsp?story=jackson19
Saturday, January 20, 2001

Jesse Jackson's babymom paid by Rainbow board

CHICAGO (AP) -- The Rev. Jesse Jackson's Rainbow-PUSH Coalition
said Friday that it paid $35,000 in "severance pay" to the woman
he had a child with in an extramarital affair.

Board members also voted unanimously not to entertain any thought
of Jackson resigning his presidency of the civil-rights group
because of the affair, said James Meeks, a Chicago pastor who is
second-in-command.

Meeks said the not-for-profit group made payments to Karin
Stanford, former head of the group's Washington office, when she
moved to Los Angeles, where she now lives with her 20-month-old
daughter. Meeks denied reports of other payments to Stanford.

"We do not pay her any monthly compensation," Meeks said. "Number
two, we are not buying her -- nor are we paying for -- a house."

Earlier in the day, Rainbow-PUSH spokesman John Scanlon said
Stanford received the $35,000 in two payments from Rainbow-PUSH
-- $20,000 in moving expenses and a $15,000 advance on a contract
to do consulting for the organization.

Jackson personally pays Stanford $3,000 a month in child support,
he said.

A spokeswoman cut off the news conference where group members
discussed the payments after only a few questions. Meeks said the
organization's finance and budget committee would eventually give
board members a more extensive written report about the $35,000.

He raised questions about the timing of the story's being leaked
to the National Enquirer. He said it appeared to be a deliberate
attempt to silence Jackson's protests of the presidential
election results in Florida.

[ h..CONSPIRACY.Look who's talking conspiracy now? ]

"We think that there is something awfully suspicious
about the  timing of this 2-year-old story," Meeks said, noting that it
broke three days before Jackson was to help lead a rally Saturday
in Tallahassee, Fla. Meeks said he did not know who could be
behind the alleged plot to silence Jackson.

Rainbow-PUSH officials said it is unlikely that Jackson will
attend the rally.

"We need him," said the Rev. Willie Barrow, co-founder of the
coalition. "We cannot afford to have Rev. Jackson on the
sidelines for an undetermined time."

Jackson released a statement early Thursday about the affair and
child after learning that the Enquirer planned to run a story. In
the statement, he apologized and asked for time with his family
to deal with the matter.

Jackson, 59, and his wife, Jackie, have been married for 38 years
and have five children.

Meeks said the board has agreed to honor Jackson's request for
time away.

Jackson will attend a service at Meeks' Salem Baptist on Sunday
and will also attend Rainbow-PUSH's annual Wall Street conference
in New York next week, Meeks said. The conference is aimed at
increasing minority involvement in business and investing.

Meeks said Jackson got a phone call of support from President
Clinton, whom Jackson counseled after Clinton's affair with
Monica Lewinsky.

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Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???

2001-01-25 Thread Nessie


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childless people... would not be paying taxes to support schools that
our  nonexistent children are not attending.


It is difficult to tell, without knowing you personally, whether you are
a supremely selfish person or merely shortsighted. I'll give you the
benefit of the doubt and assume that you are merely shortsighted because
selfish people deserve nothing but the universal and continuing contempt
and derision of all their fellow humans. That is, unless they attempt to
use the armed might of the state to enforce their sick and evil
philosophy on the rest of us. Then they should be rounded up and herded
off a cliff, and good riddance to bad rubbish. 

So let's assume that you are merely shortsighted. Two explanations are
possible. Perhaps you suffer from a congenital cognitive  deficit. It
that case it is our duty to pity you, and help you when you need it, to
dress yourself, tie your shoes, wipe your butt and make you a sandwich
now and then and other stuff that is beyond the capacity of some one
whose cognition is so impaired that they cannot even perceive the self
evident benefits of living in a society of educated people..

But I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on that, too. Maybe
you are neither supremely evil nor terminally stupid. Maybe you've been
brainwashed. Hey, it happens sometimes. It's nothing to be ashamed of.
Lots of people have been brainwashed. Not to worry. There's a cure. Turn
off your TV, burn your Ayn Rand books and think for yourself for a
change. Thank about this:

In a society which does not educate every single member to the greatest
extent of their ability, what happens? When you figure it out, let us
know. You should be able to do this be cause you, yourself, are
educated. You were educated, at least in part, through the efforts and
extent of childless people. keep that in mind whilst you cogitate. 

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[CTRL] Coincidence Or Conspiracy?

2001-01-25 Thread Martin F. Abernathy


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Two plane crashes, in two different states, and four dead executives...all on
the *same* day. Is there more to these stories than meets the eye ?




   Jan 24, 2001 - 09:39 PM

Plane Crash Kills Air Cargo Executive, Wall Street
Journal Aerospace Editor
By Tiffany Meredith
Associated Press Writer

DENVER (AP) - A private jet crashed after takeoff Wednesday,
killing the head of an air cargo company and The Wall Street
Journal's aerospace editor.

The plane caught fire after it crashed in a field shortly after
it left
suburban Front Range Airport, authorities said. There were no
radio transmissions from the plane before the crash, said Dennis
Heap, the airport's aviation director.

Michael A. Chowdry, 45, chief executive of Atlas Air Inc., was
piloting the L-39, a two-seat Czech jet-trainer, when it crashed.
Chowdry was killed along with passenger, Jeff Cole, 45, the Wall
Street Journal's aerospace editor.

Cole was in Denver to interview Chowdry, according to the Journal.

Atlas Air, based in Purchase, N.Y., hauls cargo for major
airlines.
It has 1,448 employees and a fleet of 34 Boeing 747 freighters.

The company was founded in 1992 by Chowdry in suburban
Golden.

Richard Shuyler, Atlas Air executive vice president, said Chowdry,
a native of Pakistan, started Atlas Air from a crop-dusting
company he took over. The National Transportation Safety Board is

investigating the crash.





Jan 24, 2001 - 09:43 PM

Small Plane Crashes in Tennessee, Killing 3
The Associated Press

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - A small plane crashed just short of a
runway Wednesday, killing three executives for an electrical
contractor and critically injuring the pilot.

The King Air twin turboprop plane had climbed about 100 feet when
the pilot reported engine failure and was told to return for an
emergency landing, according to authorities.

The plane crashed about 150 yards from the Nashville International
Airport runway, airport spokeswoman Carole Willis said.

The plane was owned by Amprite Electric Company Inc., a
Nashville business that installs electrical wiring. The
identities of  the three executives killed were not released.
National Transportation Safety Board and Federal Aviation
Administration investigators on the scene had not determined the
cause of the crash.

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[CTRL] Tremors topple Tokyo's tranquillity


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http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,427948,00.html
Tremors topple Tokyo's tranquillity

Japan's iconic Mount Fuji is rumoured to be close to blowing its top for
the first time in almost 300 years, writes Jonathan Watts

Thursday January 25, 2001

Just three weeks into the new millennium, Japan already seems to have
entered into a darkly apocalyptic mood. The newspapers are full of
political scandal, Tokyo stock prices have slumped on fears of recession
and economists are warning that the country could face a financial
crisis in March. And as if that was not enough to satisfy the
doomsayers, the word is now going round that Mt Fuji, the symbol of
Japanese serenity, may be about to blow its top.
Rumours about an imminent eruption of the long dormant volcano have
spread since signs of heightened magma activity under the mountain were
reported late last year.

On average, 10 low frequencies tremors are detected deep below Mt Fuji
annually. But according to the national meteorological agency, this
pattern changed dramatically in the autumn with 33 minor quakes detected
in September, 133 in October and 222 in November.

Scientists say this increase does not mean Mt Fuji will explode into
life any time soon, but they acknowledge that the change merits close
attention.

Their caution is understandable after a year of intense subterranean
movement that is unusual even for Japan, a land that is wrinkled by more
earthquakes and pimpled with more volcanoes than almost any other nation
on earth.

In the past 12 months, the archipelago has experienced three major
eruptions and several large earthquakes, including a trembler in
Tottori, western Japan, that registered 7.3 on the Richter scale, making
it bigger than the Kobe quake that killed more than 6,000 people in
1995.

Seismology and vulcanology are notoriously imprecise sciences, but many
experts in these fields say Japan could be entering a period of
heightened seismic activity.

Such vague warnings along with the stirrings nine miles below Mt Fuji
have been enough to prompt the weekly tabloids to raise the prospect of
a devastating eruption that could threaten the 12m inhabitants of Tokyo,
which sits 60 miles from the mountain's slopes.

It has also prompted the local authorities around the mountain to
conduct their first disaster prevention drills and to draw up hazard
maps of the areas that would be most vulnerable to pyroclastic flows of
molten rock and gas.

Such precautions represent a breakthrough. Until now, municipal
officials have refused to recognise the possibility of an eruption for
fear that it would damage the lucrative Mt Fuji tourist trade.
Rising 3,776 metres (12,388ft) from sea level in a nearly perfect cone,
Mt Fuji is not only Japan's tallest and most beautiful mountain, it is
also a national symbol and an object of worship.

During the two month climbing season each summer, about 150,000 pilgrims
and sightseers make the four and a half hour trek up the mountain's
ash-grey slopes to a peak that is home to numerous Shinto shrines as
well as a vending machine for soft drinks.

For most visitors, the main concern is the rubbish that has piled up on
the mountain's slopes rather than the possibility of an eruption.
Mt Fuji has not blown its top since 1707, when it devastated surrounding
villages and rained ash on Tokyo for two weeks. But every few years -
usually after an eruption elsewhere in Japan - there are warnings that
Fuji will be the next to go.

The most apocalyptic scenario was painted in the 1984 bestseller, "The
Great Explosion of Mt Fuji", which predicted that an eruption would
trigger a massive earthquake in Tokyo, similar to the one that killed
140,000 people in 1923.

That book was blamed for a 10% fall in tourist numbers in the Fuji area
the following year, which makes the move to stage a drill this summer
seem all the braver.

The decision appears to reflect an important change in attitude towards
disaster preparation in Japan. Despite the fact that the earth is rarely
still in this part of the world, the authorities have often been
criticised in the past for taking an overly rosy view of the likelihood
and potential impact of natural calamities. But that certainly was not
the case last year, when the government acted quickly and effectively to
prevent a single volcano or earthquake fatality.

In this sense at least, it would seem that the growing tendency to
assume the worst is proving to be one of the best things to have
happened to Japan in years.

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Re: [CTRL] My Untold Story by Ralph Nader

2001-01-25 Thread c.

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leave in all the dirt for $200

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 My goodness he certainly capusuled his life didn't he.

 Does anyone want to hear my life story?

 Saba

 Cost you $99.99 and I will clean it up a bit.

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Re: [CTRL] Interesting job

2001-01-25 Thread tribalzidane


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On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:20:23 -0500, Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said:

 look at this site:

 http://www.efashionshowjobs.com/

 then read this job description:

 http://www.efashionshowjobs.com/careers/softwareengr/index.html

My God!  At first I thought I must have misunderstood the opening page.  I
thought at first that it was a FASHION model site, then upon reading the job
description, I thought I must have misunderstood the purpose and figured maybe
it was some sort of technology modeling info site.

Maybe anybody who has a history of working at McDonald's should apply for the
job. :-D

Anyway, I asked my sister about it and she thinks that perhaps the applicant
needs that clearance in order to interact in some way with the software used
for uniform selection for military personnel.  Models would model the
uniforms, of course, so that could explain why they need such a person on
their team.  Of course, the only caveat to that is that a degree in math,
physics or computer science is required.  :-/  I dunno.

Damaeus

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[CTRL] Fwd: FTW SUBSCRIBER BULLETIN 01-03 - NEW BUSH BILL REMOVES ASSASSINATION BAN, Armitage to be Enforcer






HOUSE BILL PROPOSES LIFTING BAN ON ASSASSINATIONS

BUSH ADMINISTRATION WASTING NO TIME IN MOVING TOWARD WAR FOOTING

Armitage The Executioner

FTW 1/24/01 - HR 19, Introduced by Republican Georgia Congressman Bob Barr
on January 3, 2001, the first day of the new 107th Congress, would
legislatively repeal sections of three Executive Orders specifically
prohibiting assassinations by the United States Government.

Entitled the "Terrorist Elimination Act of 2001", the bill, submitted to the
House International Relations Committee, would specifically nullify sections
of three previous Executive Orders including one initiated by Ronald Reagan
in 1981. It is interesting to note that acts of Congress are not required to
nullify previous Executive Orders (EOs) which are, by definition, orders
issued by the President and Commander in Chief to all federal employees
(including military) under his authority. All that is necessary to reverse
one EO is another EO. This is exactly what President George W. Bush did with
respect to EOs issued by President Clinton on the environment in the last
days of his administration.

Section 3 of HR 19 specifically states:

"The following provisions of Executive orders shall have no further force or
effect:

(1) Section 5(g) of Executive Order 11905.
(2) Section 2-305 of Executive Order 12306.
(3) Section 2.11 of Executive Order 12333." [By Ronald Reagan]

Section 5 (g) of Executive Order 11905, signed by Gerald Ford on 2/18/76
specifically prohibited "political" assassination. Section 2-305 of
Executive Order 12036, signed 1/24/78 by Jimmy Carter renewed the ban.
Section 2.11 of Executive Order 12333, signed by Ronald Reagan on 12/4/81
renewed the ban on assassinations, or conspiracy to commit assassinations,
as part of a broader package which gave virtually complete control of the
American National Security apparatus to then Vice President George H.W.
Bush.

The full text of HR 19 may be viewed at http://thomas.loc.gov. Enter a
search in the 107th Congress for 19 and it will take you straight to the
bill

The bold move, unreported and ignored by any major media, offers a chance
for an early referendum on the new administration's full-speed run at a more
violent and brutish foreign policy.

The current bill, introduced by staunch Bush supporter and Clinton
impeachment leader Barr, indicates that the Bush administration is seeking
to add legitimacy to the move by implying that Congress and the American
people support the action. This can only mean that there is quite likely a
list of people the Bush Administration wants to start killing fairly
quickly. The appointment of career covert operative and Annapolis graduate
Richard Armitage as Deputy Secretary of State under Colin Powell only
underscores the clear message that the Bush Administration is sending to the
world.

Armitage, who was denied a 1989 appointment as Assistant Secretary of State
because of links to Iran-Contra and other scandals, served as Assistant
Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs in the Reagan years.
U.S. Government stipulations in the Oliver North trial specifically named
Armitage as one of the DoD officials responsible for illegal transfers of
weapons to Iran and the Contras. But Armitage's dirty past goes much deeper.

A Vietnam veteran and graduate of Annapolis, Armitage's roots have been
thoroughly intertwined with the likes of CIA veteran Ted Shackley, Richard
Secord, Heine Aderholt, Elliot Abrams, Dewey Clarridge, Edwin Wilson and Tom
Clines. All of these men have been directly linked to CIA covert operations,
the drug trade, the abandonment of U.S. prisoners of War after Vietnam
and/or Iran-Contra. Armitage has also been routinely discussed in FTW as a
Bush-era covert functionary who has been linked to covert operations, drug
smuggling and the expansion of organized crime operations in Russia, Central
Asia and the Far East.

In 1986 a private dispute between POW activist Ross Perot and Armitage went
public as photos of Armitage with a topless Vietnamese nightclub owner
Nguyen O'Rourke brought allegations of gambling and prostitution very close
to Armitage's doorstep. The stories went public when TIME and "The Boston
Globe" wrote lengthy stories on the feud in 1986 and 1987. That scandal
arose as a result of 1984 investigations by President Reagan's Commission on
Organized Crime in which the photo and documentation of gambling charges and
prostitution led directly to Armitage's close association with O'Rourke.
Then LAPD Assistant Chief Jesse Brewer, a former Commanding Officer of this
writer, served on the Reagan Commission.

The 1992 best-seller "Kiss The Boys Goodbye" by former "60 MINUTES" producer
Monika Jensen-Stevenson details Armitage's role as Reagan point man on
Vietnam POW-MIA issues and describes why Armitage has earned the enmity of
many POW activists. However, in a 1995 interview with "The Washington Post",
Colin Powell referred to Armitage as his "white son." This,

[CTRL] Strange Burnings

2001-01-25 Thread BR Wahl

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--- Forwarded message follows ---
From:   Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:SHC near Fedscreek?
Copies to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date sent:  Tue, 23 Jan 2001 06:47:31 -0500

.Five Men Spontaneously Combusted

This is a very strange and unusual case of spontaneous human
combustion -- a group burn of American men while the federal
weapon of mass destruction, the H-Bomb, was being tuned-up and
perfected.

The combustion occurred in rural Pike County, Kentucky, in
November 1960. The five men were seated in a car when they
burned. The map of Pike County shows the place names
McVEIGH, Fedscreek, Freeburn (Freeh?), Hellier, Edo, Fishtrap.
Closer study reveals the place names Lookout, Big Branch, Bush
Brook and Deadening Branch (of Bush Brook).

Detailed information is hard come by. The men died during the
weekend of Saturday 19 November 1960. The chart for 19 Nov
1960, 11:16 PM, CST +6, 37N28, 82W32, has Chiron near the
Descendant 2Pisces01. The men's car, according to online
sources, was part way into a ditch with the front right door open.
Blood was found on the ground near the car. The dead men's lungs
contained carbon monoxide. They had made no effort to get out of
the car.

By the simplistic method of directing the Vernal Point forward
41degrees,  the point is now approaching a square aspect to the
SHC chart Transpluto 10Leo55 Rx -- in the 12th House with Uranus
having just ascended.

Shrub 2 has been installed. Shrub 1 poisoned Iraq, Clinton
poisoned Serbia, McVeigh is about to be executed by the federal
gang of poisoners and sneak torturers -- lookout!

The US population is 280 million. The World population is
approaching 6 billion. Is it possible that some astrologers may be
glimpsing indications of a global coalition forming to counter these
poisonous bombers? I believe so.

..B.R. Wahl
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[CTRL] Time Storms by Jenny Randles - excerpt


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[no URL - Kelly]

"TIME STORMS" by Jenny Randles

From H. G. Wells to Dr Who, time travel has intrigued us for
generations. In a provocative new book, Jenny Randles, one of Britain's
leading experts on UFOs and the paranormal, claims that it may be
happening on a regular basis as a result of a strange phenomenon she
calls time storms. Her evidence, set out in this exclusive new series,
is a mixture of compelling case histories and rigorous scientific
argument. We leave it to you, the reader, to reach your own verdict...

The small unit of army conscripts had been sent on a two-day exercise
into the inhospitable terrain above the small town of Putre in Chile.
The intention was to harden these inexperienced young troops for the
rigours of military life.

On the night of April 24, 1977, they were camped on a windswept
plateau at Pampa Lluscuma, at a height of 12,000 feet. In charge of the
raw recruits was Corporal Armando Valdes.

At 3.50am the recruit on guard duty, Pedro Rosales, saw something
very odd. He called out to Valdes, who came immediately. What appeared
to be two fuzzy violet lights were descending from the mountains and
heading their way. The ground below was filled with an eerie glow.

Unsure if these were flares being used in a mock attack, Valdes
sprang quickly into action. He ordered some of the men to screen the
campfire with blankets to escape detection, and told the others to
prepare their weapons.

By now there was just one large fuzzy glow on the hill a few hundred
yards away. It sat there immobile for some minutes.

Ignoring protests from his frightened charges, Valdes ordered them to
cover him with their weapons while he went to investigate. As they
crouched behind a nearby wall, rifles poised, he muttered a plea for God
to protect him and headed into the darkness towards the purple glow.

Within seconds the inky night had swallowed him up. Moments later,
the glow disappeared too. The conscripts fell into stunned silence.

When their commander returned around 15 minutes later, something was
clearly awry He approached the camp from behind - not from the
direction in which he had just walked. He was also far from well.

The startled soldiers saw him wandering as if in a trance, speaking
in a voice that sounded like that of a sleepwalker. 'You do not know who
we are or where we come from,' he said in a monotone, although later he
never recalled uttering those words.

He reached the campsite, looking barely able to stand, and collapsed
on the ground apparently unconscious.

Having cared for him as best they could, the men waited for dawn. It
was then that they noticed several very strange things about their
stricken leader.

Although they had seen him shave only hours earlier, he was now
sporting several days' growth of beard. His watch had stopped at about
4.30am, the approximate time of his return to the camp, but the date
display - which had to be wound on manually through 24 hours at a time
to alter it - read April 30.

It was as if Valdes had lived through five days in under 15 minutes.

Army commanders have confirmed the incident took place but say it is
inexplicable. When Valdes regained consciousness, he appeared to be
in a state of shock, with massive memory loss and no proper body co-
ordination. Later, he described his lost minutes or days - as 'a void in
my mind'.

That is a feeling that 39-year-old corporate business adviser Mark
Henshall understands only too well. 'I think I would describe myself as
a very down-to-earth sort of chap,' he says. 'But there are some things
that no one can prepare you for.'

Mark was just 16 when an extraordinary experience befell him as he
rode his motorcycle late at night on the rural B6278 road near Barnard
Castle in County Durham.

There was not much traffic on the isolated, winding road, but at
11.30pm Mark noticed two glowing lights behind him. Thinking they were
the headlights of a vehicle, he kept glancing back to cheek on them.

After about 30 seconds he noticed that a Jaguar car was about to
overtake him, so he pulled over slightly to let it pass. The glowing
lights had been forgotten for the moment.

But just as the car overtook, a blinding, hazy glow swamped both
vehicles. It was a vivid, fuzzy purple colour with a pinkish tinge -
possibly suggestive of ultra-violet radiation. Simultaneously, Mark
noticed the power drain away from his motorcycle.

'I could not understand what was happening at first. Then I moved the
throttle and there was no response. I felt my back and legs becoming
hot and as I looked at my leather jacket it was beginning to steam.'

Despite losing all power, the bike continued to move. It was 'pulled'
up the hill, as if by an unseen force, for more than 300 feet.

The driver of the Jaguar later confirmed to investigators that he too
lost power and yet moved forward against gravity.

'It was scary,' recalls Mark. 'Eventually I managed to pull in and
got off the bike. I walked over to the car

[CTRL] Fw: Ted Kennedy is wrong person to judge Ashcroft

2001-01-25 Thread Amelia






Ted 
Kennedy 
is wrong person to judge Ashcroft 
01/25/01 



By Sen. 
Kennedy's 
logic, all Supreme Court decisions would stand forever - and none of the civil 
rights gains that Sen. 
Kennedy 
champions could have occurred. 
Second, the senator says that Mr. Ashcroft should be disqualified for 
opposing, on ideological grounds, the proposed judicial appointment of fellow 
Missourian Ronnie White. Sen. 
Kennedy 
says Mr. Ashcroft went overboard by calling Judge White's record "pro-criminal." 

Sen. 
Kennedy's 
case here is so hypocritical as to be laughable. In 1986, on purely ideological 
grounds, the senator opposed the nomination of Alabama's 
own Jeff 
Sessions 
to a federal judgeship. Then, infamously, Sen. 
Kennedy 
in 1987 issued perhaps the most vicious assault ever on a judicial nominee, 
Judge Robert 
Bork. 

"Robert 
Bork's 
America," said Sen. 
Kennedy, 
"is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks 
would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' 
doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, 
writers and artists would be censored at the whim of government, and the 
doors 
of federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens." 
It was slander, vile and simple, especially considering that Judge Bork had a 
strong record on civil rights. Furthermore, of the 401 cases in which Judge Bork 
joined his appeals court's majority, not one had been overturned by the U.S. 
Supreme Court. 
Third, Sen. 
Kennedy 
insinuates that Mr. Ashcroft's views somehow make him morally unfit for office. 
Ahem. Recall the details of Sen. 
Kennedy's 
experience at Chappaquiddick. The tragedy there was not one of mere bad driving, 
but of cowardice. After the accident, Sen. 
Kennedy 
walked past four houses and a volunteer fire station, without requesting 
assistance. He summoned two aides, tried to concoct a cover story (they 
declined), swam across a channel to his hotel, changed clothes, asked a hotel 
employee the time, slept for several hours, awoke, shaved, dressed spiffily, 
nonchalantly joined neighbors on a porch for 15 minutes of chit-chat, tried 
again to talk the aides into a cover story, and only reported the accident 
after his submerged car had already been discovered. 
Young Mary Joe Kopechne was found in a position that indicated she had found 
an air pocket. A medical examiner testified that "she lived for a certain time 
underwater." 
Ted 
Kennedy 
has no right, ever, to question anybody else's moral fitness. 




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Register. Used with 
permission.

[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Strange Burnings

2001-01-25 Thread Amelia


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Could these men have left the car motor running and died of
carbon monoxide poisoning, one or more smoking when falling
asleep.  Then the car could have caught fire and burned them
all up with no witnesses?  I know that sounds unlikely but
so does "group" spontaneous combustion.  This idea has
always interested me because it is scary and how does
something so full of water as the human body burst into
flames?
Amelia


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 .Five Men Spontaneously
Combusted

 This is a very strange and unusual case of spontaneous
human
 combustion -- a group burn of American men while the
federal
 weapon of mass destruction, the H-Bomb, was being tuned-up
and
 perfected.

 The combustion occurred in rural Pike County, Kentucky, in
 November 1960. The five men were seated in a car when they
 burned. The map of Pike County shows the place names
 McVEIGH, Fedscreek, Freeburn (Freeh?), Hellier, Edo,
Fishtrap.
 Closer study reveals the place names Lookout, Big Branch,
Bush
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As I went to private school for 13 years, no one's taxes went to my education.
My parents, who certainly did not qualify as even middle class, paid for my
education twice ~$1500 a year for the private schools, and their taxes
while the public schools were sucking up $8K+ per student per year.

And, beside the benefit to childless people of not paying these insane taxes,
eliminating the current public school situation would be the best way to
achieve your goal of "providing children with a good education." Anyone that
observes an intractable public school situation such as I observed for
years in the school system where I grew up realizes that they are far
beyond repair. The $1+ they now receive per child is essentially fraud and
theft.

jeff


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[CTRL] Repressed Memory, Eileen Franklin, the FMSF the CIA


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Subject: Repressed Memory, Eileen Franklin, the FMSF  the CIA
Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:58 PM

In article 8pk5eg$309$[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 What of the Eileen Franklin case in San Mateo County, California?

 Wasn't a conviction of her father for a brutal murder secured on the
 basis of her "repressed memory" testimony?

 You place quotes around repressed memory as if this is not a valid
concept. In fact, repression is the basis of most psychotherapies. The FMSF
"experts," many of whom have backgrounds in illicit CIA mind control
experimentation (see my postings on the FMSF in the Usenet archives), are
desperately trying to discredit repressed memory and dissociation because of
the horrendous human rights violations of CIA mind control specialists, many
of them involving young children.
  As for your question regarding the Eileen Franklin case, her
father was sentenced in 1990 for a murder that occurred 20 years earlier.
There were, admittedly, problems with the girl's testimony, including a
claim to have been hypnotized before the trial.
 The journal Accuracy About Abuse (July 20, 1996) reports: "San Mateo
County DA James Fox said he would reluctantly ask a judge to dismiss the
charges. 'We don't believe there is sufficient evidence to justify the
prosecution.'" Insufficient evidence is not exculpatory in itself, but can
get a case thrown out of court. The DA STILL believed Eileen's story but "we
do not believe it is reasonably probable that we would prevail." Fox also
stated that recent DNA tests has cleared George Franklin of a SECOND murder
Eileen had accused him of committing.
He was NOT cleared in the first case, but there was insufficient evidence to
convict.
 But who is George Franklin?  A 1990 court document document alleges
that he : "1) engaged in sexually assaultive conduct against young girls,
including his own daughters, 2) made numerous admissions of engaging in
sexual acts with children and of his sexual desire for young girls and
fascination with incest, pedophilia and other deviant sexual practices
including sexual relations between humans and animals, and possesses written
and photographic materials documenting the above described interests. The
following twelve pages list the pornographic materials, the books and
magazines on incest, the child-sized dildos, letters written to him with
incest scenarios described, photos of Franklin himself, etc. "
 Perhaps he is not the victim of the justice system that the FMSF,
especially Richard Ofshe, has led us to believe. Accuracy About Abuse notes,
"George Franklin's wife Leah is still standing by him." But Eileen Franklin
has said of her mother: "She was a serious alcoholic throughout my
childhood. She was emotionally ill, institutionalized, treated with
electrical shock therapy (which scientists believe cause memory damage),
neglectful, and physically abusive. She chose not to act when informed
(during my childhood) of George Franklin's sexual assaults upon other
members of the family. George Franklin refused to take the witness stand -
an odd choice for an allegedly innocent man with excellent legal
representation. He never denied the murder or his abuse when confronted by
me in jail. He also admitted to having 'had sex with his daughter,' and
practiced pedophilia until the time of his arrest."
*[C-24395, a "Memorandum of Points and Authorities Re: Admissibility of
Evidence Pursuant to Evidence Code Section 2201 (B). 11 October 1990.
Superior Court of the State of California in and for the Count of San Mateo.
People of the State of California v George Thomas Franklin Sr.]
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[CTRL] Fwd: Swiss Police Seal Off Davos as Business Summit Starts









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Swiss Police Seal Off Davos as Business Summit Starts

By Adrian Croft
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DAVOS, Switzerland (Jan. 25) - Hundreds of Swiss police, specialist troops
and coils of barbed wire greeted the world's corporate and political elite as
the annual Davos business summit got under way Thursday.

Nervousness over the state of the global economy mingled with worries that
violent demonstrators could disrupt the annual meeting of the World Economic
Forum (WEF), now in its 31st year, which runs until next Tuesday.

Swiss Television estimated that between 1,000 and 2,000 police from across
Switzerland were on hand to choke off the kind of anti-globalization protests
that hit the European Union summit in Nice, International Monetary Fund/World
Bank meetings in Prague and Davos itself last year.

''The World Economic Forum has become the symbol of a global civilization in
formation, of a world where barriers collapse, of a world which makes us
dream of an ever greater liberty,'' Swiss President Moritz Leuenberger told
the opening session.

Police, mounting the strictest clampdown Switzerland has seen in decades,
said they were considering spraying liquid manure at anti-globalization
demonstrators if they defy a ban on a planned demonstration against the forum
Saturday.

''No decision has been made. Police are reviewing various means that could be
used, for example rubber shotgun pellets or tear gas or water or manure,''
cantonal police spokesman Alois Hafner told Reuters.

At last year's forum, some 2,000 anti-free trade demonstrators, denouncing
the gathering as a ''meeting of murderers,'' broke shop windows and smashed
car windshields at a McDonald's restaurant.

STAR-STUDDED CAST

Dozens of heads of state and hundreds of senior corporate executives are
among 3,200 participants at this year's summit in the chic skiing spot that
has become a magnet for movers and shakers from business and politics.

Participants include Japan's Prime Minister Yoshiro Mori, Palestinian leader
Yasser Arafat, Mexican President Vicente Fox, Yugoslav President Vojislav
Kostunica and Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez.

Israeli elder statesman Shimon Peres and U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan
are also scheduled to attend, raising the possibility of some Middle East
dialogue in Davos.

Environmentalists and opponents of free trade say the participants in the
forum make far-reaching decisions behind closed doors and enhance the power
of multinational corporations.

Inside the meeting hall, discussions were denominated by fears that a
slowdown in the United States, long the motor of the world economy, could
spread to the rest of the world.

Analysts at the forum concluded that the world would probably avoid
recession, however.

The cautious mood was a far cry from last year's forum, when optimism was
high for sustained, low-inflation growth in the United States and rising
stock prices.

This year's star-studded guest list has been weakened by the absence of any
top officials from the new U.S. administration of President Bush, but World
Economic Forum President Klaus Schwab said he did not feel snubbed by their
absence.

Schwab said the United States was strongly represented by members of Congress
and the lack of administration representatives was inevitable given the
recent handover of power.

ARBITRARY ACTION ALLEGED

Critics of the forum complained about tactics used by police, who they said
were walking through trains headed for Davos and stopping some passengers
from traveling.

''They are absolutely at random. I witnessed it in the train last night. They
walked through the train and they took out four people without any clear
evidence. They didn't like their appearance. There is no legal right to do
that,'' said Peter Bosshard, a member of the Berne Declaration, a Swiss group
promoting what it sees as fairer relations between the industrialized world
and developing countries.

Police spokesman Hafner rejected allegations of arbitrary action.

''If people were seen traveling to Davos in possession of propaganda material
or carried falsified press badges we had to assume they were not real
journalists or real snowboarders and they were turned away,'' he said.

David Boehner, a member of an anti-World Trade Organization group helping to
organize Saturday's planned demonstration, said he expected up to 5,000
people at the protest, which he said would go ahead despite being declared
illegal.

Eager to dispel criticism of Davos as a capitalist conspiracy to set the
world agenda, organizers say they have given trade unions, lobby groups,
environmentalists and other critics of the system unprecedented exposure this
year.

But this has not satisfied a coalition of environmental and developing
country groups that has organized an alternative

[CTRL] Fwd: Gore Lost By Not Being Republican Enough: DLC

2001-01-25 Thread radman


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[The World According to the DLC]

The Associated PressJanuary
24, 2001

'New Democrats': Gore Lost By Not Being Republican Enough

 by Will Lester

Washington -- A group of moderate Democrats contends Al Gore's
populist presidential campaign wasn't aimed at the suburban
residents, moderates and upper middle class whites he needed to
defeat George W. Bush.
 The Democratic Leadership Council, "new Democrats" who
helped propel Bill Clinton to power with a centrist appeal, have
released an analysis that highlights several reasons it thinks Gore
was unsuccessful against eventual winner Bush - most significantly
his steady appeals to the working class.
 Gore had the Green Party's Ralph Nader draining votes from
him, rather than Ross Perot dampening support for the Republican
candidate, a factor not emphasized by the group's leader Tuesday.
 "Given the fundamentals, the good economy, the fact that crime
and welfare were down, the vice president should have won by a
comfortable margin," said Al From, founder and chief executive of
the moderate Democratic group.
 Gore aides said during the campaign that he was trying to blend
the new Democrats' moderate message with an outreach to those
who felt the new economy had left them behind. Gore campaign
research suggested the populist message would hit home with the
small group of undecideds the campaign was pursuing in the very
close race. Officials in his transition office did not return calls.
 Gore did well among groups he targeted with his pledge to "fight
for working families," but he didn't do well enough among groups
like suburbanites, moderates and the upper middle class, From
said.
 Many political observers predicted Gore would win with a
healthy majority of the vote because of the strong economy and
general approval of President Clinton's job performance. Gore and
eventual winner George W. Bush ended in a virtual tie, with the
election settled by less than 1,000 votes in Florida.
 "Democrats need to have a broad coalition to win," From said.
"We need to expand beyond our Democratic base."
 The council released an analysis of election results and a
survey by Democratic pollster Mark Penn to highlight the kind of
course correction it feels is needed for Democrats to recapture the
White House.
 Penn's research suggested Gore won on individual issues, but
President Bush won the campaign on broader themes like reducing
the size of the government and changing the tone in Washington.
Penn found that Gore's "old-style populism" prevented him from
reaching key voters, especially in key border states and in his home
state of Tennessee.
 DLC founder From wrote in his analysis of the election that
Democrats need to build a new majority, not rely on the Democratic
coalitions from years past.
 The Democratic coalition "must expand beyond our Democratic
base ... and must include men as well as women, whites as well as
African-Americans and Hispanics, suburbanites as well as city
dwellers, moderates and even some conservatives as well as
liberals."
 Democrats should not obsess about the Gore campaign's loss
but begin working toward elections in 2002 and 2004, From said.
 Key to renewed success by the Democrats is recognizing the
changes in the country and realizing that a populist campaign
causes voters to view a candidate as liberal and identified with "big
government," he said. The new economy is causing dramatic
changes in the voting public, he said, blurring the sharp class
differences of an earlier era.
 "America is changing. It's becoming more affluent, more
educated, more suburban, more wired, more moderate and more
diverse," From said. "To put together a majority, you have to talk to
the country as it is."
 He noted that Gore has been a strong supporter of the council
and had a role in developing the new Democrats' strategy.
 "The vice president was one of the leaders in shaping policies
for the new economy," From said. "Al Gore has terrific credentials
for running a winning campaign. But in this campaign, he chose to
run a more populist strategy that didn't take advantage of those
credentials."
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

2001-01-25 Thread Nessie


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If it "appars to ALL THE WORLD" that I have called  somebody a "coon"
why did no one else attack me?


I got there first. The other people were apparently polite enough not to
waste bandwidth with a bunch of dittos.





you, NESSIE are a LIAR.  I did not call anybody anything.  You, on the
other hand,  called me stupid, repeatedly and a fool and said I should
not post here.


Let me rephrase that. You SOUND stupid. Maybe youre not, but like the
man said, If it quacks like a duck . . .




Then you threatened me with  physical violence in how in person you
would not be so  polite.  

That was not directed at only you. Thats a general statement. It
applies to everyone. Insult to my face, me, or my friends, or anybody I
respect, and Ill hurt you. I dont care who you are. I dont care how
big you are. I dont care how many you are. Youre gonna get hurt.
Maybe Ill get hurt, too. Maybe I wont. Either way, I dont care, and
either way, youre gonna get hurt. Thats a fact. Thats how I live my
life. If you dont like it, avoid insulting me in person, save your
insults for a safe distance, like over the internet. Thats how cowards
do it. . .


How dare you lie and say I said something I did not 

I said you appeared to call somebody a coon. Thats no lie. You did,
in fact, do exactly that. 





and threaten me, you little creep!!  

You know how big I am? Howd you manage that?



I assure  you I am not one bit frightened by your threats and personal
attacks.  

Ditto. Anybody elses either.



You prove every FBI agent is a liar and evil. I would think some are
and some are not just like everybody  else.  

I did prove it. Anybody who refuses to resign in disgust from an
organization which murders innocent women and children in cold blood, is
evil. Evil people lie.




It is unfortunate that you were hit by a car   but that does NOT give
you the right to call me names.  I did not do it.  


You condoned its cause.


There are degrees and levels of  misconduct and intoxication.
Comparing an incident of  DUI with no injuries is nothing like Manson
where  murders were committed.  


They didnt always kill. Sometimes they broke in and found nobody home.
Same with drunk driving. It doesnt always result in death, but thats
not the fault of the drunken driver. Its the fault of blind fate.



Some people have car wrecks  and run others down without being under
the influence  of alcohol, too.  

Thats a separate issue.



Defending one is NOT defending ALL.


Defending drunk driving is defending drunk driving. The numbers are
irrelevant.



Driving while intoxicatd is wrong and I have stated  that all along.  


Even in the case of G.W.? Is what he did wrong, yes or no?




I know a man who has driven home from  a bar looped every night for
forty years, however,  without injuring another person other than
himself.


Blind luck.



Oh you are so sophistocated in your liberal views!


Im not a liberal. Im an anarchist. I dislike liberals, and liberalism,
intensely. For details, read my last column at SFBG.com:

  http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/33.html




Well, Clinton and Jackson both PROFESS to be Baptists  and practice a
religion that condemns adultry.  


Then they should not commit adultery. Never do anything your religion
forbids. It generates cognitive dissonance. Do not, however, attempt to
force the rest of us to practice your religion. That leads to social
dissonance. Fifteen hundred years of bloody religious warfare is enough.





I'll bet his daughter was not at all embarassed by his actions!  You
would not have been and that is the measure by which you think the
universe is gauged--the World According to Nessie.


If it was my dad, Id be proud he was that old and still getting some.




DO NOT THREATEN ME AGAIN, EVER, NESSIE and do not bother to call me
names, either.  

I didnt threaten you. I stated a fact. Anyone, yourself included, who
insults me to my face, is gonna get hurt. Thats not a threat. Thats a
fact of life, like weather or gravity. Get used to it.

On the other hand, stuff you say from the safe distance of the internet,
I dont mind at all. Au contrair. I take it as a compliment that you
would devote so many keystrokes to me.  Feel free to continue. Theres
no such thing as bad publicity.

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Ted Kennedy is wrong person to judge Ashcroft

2001-01-25 Thread Nessie


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In 1988, noted conspiracy maven John Judge spoke at a conference that I
helped organize in San Francisco. He took questions from the audience.
Here's an excerpt:




Audience Member: Can you say just a few words about the Chappaquiddick
incident?

John Judge: Yes. Ted Kennedy was not in the car. Hard evidence
clearly shows that the car went off the ramp at a tremendously high rate
of speed. And the door on Kennedy's side was crushed shut. It was still
locked. I don't think he'd bother to lock it on the way out under water.
The window was still rolled up. He had no way to get out of the car. He
had no wet clothes, in the hotel room. That was the testimony of the
maid who cleaned up. He was seen on the island in a good mood that
morning. I talked to people who said the place was crawling with
Committee to Re-Elect the President people. Tom Valaszcwitz, in his
testimony, said that he went up to the island several days before, with
fake press credentials, to ask embarrassing questions of Ted. About
what? Several days before? And he doesn't show up at any of the press
conferences. 
In the Watergate testimony, there is reference to Operation Sand
Wedge, and ten thousand dollars given to Valaszcwitz that summer, by
Caulfield. And they never ask, "What is Sand Wedge?" I think it's
putting the Oldsmobile in the sand. 
It was meant to take out Ted Kennedy's election chances. But I
think they knew, that if they had yet another lone assassin, for the
third Kennedy, that would be the end of the string, in terms of the
public credibility. So instead they set him up, in, I think, a very
clever way. 
They drugged him at the party. Slipped a "mickey" into the
drink. He left with Mary Jo Koepechne. Now, they portray her as just
this sort of little nobody, a secretary, who happened to be in the car,
or maybe Ted was having an affair with her. She came from a group of
political secretaries known as the "Boiler Room Girls." Some of them are
still in top positions in the media and other places. And they were
traveling in the political circles, and working for different people.
Mary Jo worked for Sen. George Smathers, Bebe Rebozo's financial and
personal friend down there, who was actually an enemy of the Kennedy's.
There was this famous scene where Smathers attempted to get John Kennedy
to kill Castro, to continue the assassination attempts, and Kennedy
broke a plate on the table at this dinner. It's kind of famous, it's in
most of the Kennedy books, Thousand Days, and other places. And he said,
"We're not going to have any more of that talk."
And, Smathers, you know, was certainly more in the Nixon camp,
with Rebozo, and the filthy money, Dade county, Bob Maheu (who went out
and got the Mafia assassins involved originally, that helped to kill
Kennedy), and that crowd. So, she came from there, and the two
secretaries who worked with her at the time, and she roomed with one of
them, were also closely involved. Carol Tyler, who she roomed with,
disappeared in a plane crash. She had been Bobby Baker's secretary. You
remember this big scandal during the Johnson administration, about Bobby
Baker and the wheeling and dealing? And Baker had been part of an
international gambling ring, between Cuba and the United States, that
was called the "Syndicate." It wasn't the whole national crime
syndicate, but it was a little Havana, Cuba bunch. Lansky's had ties
with it, McClaney and others. People that had the arms at Lake
Pontchartraine in New Orleans, Cubans that were tied with Oswald, people
around the Kennedy assassination. In Torbitt's document, Nomenclature of
an Assassination Cabal, that group, "Syndicate," is one of the 5 groups
named, because it was the main one that funnelled money on Kennedy's
head from the mob out of Florida and up through Chicago, and then into
Dallas. And it's in Flammonde's book, Kennedy Conspiracy, and other
places.
So, the other secretary working with Mary Jo at the time, had
been the personal secretary to Jack Ruby at the Carousel Club. And
remember, Bobby Baker called his place in Ocean City the Carousel Club.
His motel up there, you know. 
So, she didn't come from nowhere. She was also the last person
to see the physical evidence in the Robert Kennedy file before it was
locked up, down in Los Angeles. She knew quite a deal. 
I think she was brought out thinking that she was setting Ted up
to be killed. And at the last moment they pulled the switch, dragged
him, dead drunk, and drugged, back to the hotel room, put him to bed.
Stabbed her in the back, or injected something that caused a lot of
bleeding over the night, in the back, knocked her out, and put her into
the car. 
She was found in a rather unusual position. I mean, you'd go
there to get air, if you woke up, but, her head was in the footwell, in
the front seat. And her back end and her legs were over the top of the
dash.And she was down in this little well,

[CTRL] Fwd: Bush's 'Faith-Based' Social Service Plan Violates Constitution Says AU






FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
January 25, 2001

Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Contact: Joseph Conn or Rob Boston
202-466-3234
202-466-2587 fax
www.au.org

BUSH'S 'FAITH-BASED' SOCIAL SERVICE PLAN VIOLATES CONSTITUTION AND INDIVIDUAL
RIGHTS, SAYS WATCHDOG GROUP

BUSH INITIATIVE IS A 'RADICAL ASSAULT' ON AMERICA'S TRADITION OF CHURCH-STATE
SEPARATION, CHARGES AMERICANS UNITED

The White House announced today that President George W. Bush will unveil
plans for a major "faith-based" social service initiative next week.

Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a national church-state
watchdog group and a leading critic of the Bush proposal, described the new
initiative as a misguided and dangerous approach to public policy. The scheme
will reportedly include a new office in the White House to promote government
aid to church-run social services.

"People shouldn't have to go to a church they may not believe in to get help
from the government," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of
Americans United. "Placing people in need in this kind of position is just
plain wrong. This is a radical assault on the American tradition of
church-state separation.

"The Constitution created a separation between religion and government, not a
massive new bureaucracy designed to unite the two," added Lynn, a United
Church of Christ minister and an attorney. "The very existence of a federal
office whose principal purpose is to give tax dollars to religious groups is
in irreparable conflict with the First Amendment."

According to materials distributed during the campaign, Bush wants to
distribute federal tax dollars to religious groups to provide a plethora of
social services now being provided by government agencies or secular groups.
These services would include after-school programs for children, job
training, drug treatment, prison rehabilitation programs and abstinence
programs.

Critics say these kinds of faith-based initiatives are burdened with many
serious flaws. Among the most serious is a provision that would allow
federally funded employment discrimination on religious grounds. A religious
group, for example, will be able to receive public tax dollars to pay for a
job, but still be free to hang up a sign that says "Jews Need Not Apply."

"Just imagine: your money pays for a job that you can't have because of your
religious beliefs," Lynn observed. "That's not compassionate conservatism,
that's blatant bigotry."

Critics also charge that the Bush plan will jeopardize the independence and
integrity of church-run social service programs.

"What the government funds, it always regulates," said Lynn. "Once churches,
temples, mosques and synagogues are being financed by the public, some of
their freedom will be placed in jeopardy by the almost certain regulation to
follow."

Bush's faith-based initiative is part of a broader effort to expand so-called
"charitable choice" funding, which originated with former-Sen. John Ashcroft
(R-Mo.) during the drafting of the 1996 Welfare Reform Act. The concept
changed existing law to permit public funding of "pervasively sectarian"
groups where religion permeates every aspect of the institution.

Faith-based initiatives were a center point of Bush's presidential campaign.
As Bush describes it, this program will be part of a broader mobilization
effort of what Bush has called his "armies of compassion."

Bush has explained that the office, once in place, will remove barriers that
prevent additional funding of religious groups, coordinate federal funding
from multiple government agencies and encourage states to establish their own
offices of faith-based action to facilitate state funds going to religious
groups.

"In every instance where my administration sees a responsibility to help
people, we will look first to faith-based organizations, charities and
community groups that have shown their ability to save and change lives,"
Bush said on July 22, 1999.

"There's nothing compassionate about Bush's legally dubious scheme,"
concluded Lynn. "Contributions to religious groups must come from supporters
voluntarily, not be forced by the government. Bush's faith-based initiative
is a constitutional nightmare and a disastrous step in the wrong direction."

Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in Washington,
D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization represents 60,000 members and allied
houses of worship in all 50 states.

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Beth Corbin
National Grassroots Organizer
Americans United for Separation of Church and State
518 C Street, N.E.
Washington, D.C.  20002
PH:   202-466-3234
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[CTRL] Fwd: DoD Tests Internet Voting

2001-01-25 Thread radman

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001
From: Press Service [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:  Say Goodbye to Chad, DoD Tests Internet Voting

By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Jan. 25, 2001 -- There'll be no more chads --
hanging, pregnant or dimpled -- if a test program using the
Internet is expanded.

The Voting Over the Internet pilot project was conducted
during the 2000 election cycle. The Federal Voting
Assistance Program sponsored the test in association with
state and county governments. In the test, volunteer
service members from around the world voted using the World
Wide Web.

"The effort grew out of our voter survey following the 1996
elections," said Polli Brunelli, director of the Federal
Voting Assistance Program. The cycle saw eligible service
members being allowed to register and, in some cases, vote
by faxing their voting materials to their home counties.
The fax program proved very successful, she said.

"In the survey, some people asked when they would be able
to vote via the Internet," Brunelli said. "We started
researching it immediately."

But "Vote by Internet" is easier to say than to pull off.
Ballots must be secret. They must be secure and protected
from tampering. There must be a way for them to mirror the
requirements of paper ballots -- including signatures.

Brunelli's office built on initiatives already afoot within
DoD. "At the time we started looking at this project, DoD
was developing the Public Key Infrastructure," she said.
PKI allows for secure transmission by use of digital
signatures. Voting officials used this to mimic the steps
required of the paper ballots.

Voting program officials also had to get their state and
county partners to buy into the program. "They were most
enthusiastic about the idea," Brunelli said. "(County and
state officials) were a part of this from the very
beginning."

Counties in South Carolina, Texas, Utah -- and Florida --
participated in the 2000 program. Officials were looking
for about 50 eligible voters from each site to participate.
"This was a proof-of-concept demonstration," Brunelli said.
"We weren't set up for mass voting. This was simply to
demonstrate that this could work."

Officials set up the system and had third-party testers go
through the process. The testers passed the system, and
state and county officials accepted the results. Voters
came from all five armed services.

"This system would be great for our seagoing personnel,"
Brunelli said. Participants received directions on how to
download the necessary software and how to get their
digital signatures via the DoD Public Key Infrastructure.
Voters could send in their electronic ballots any time
after the ballots were made available. The first vote came
from a Marine on Oct. 12, 2000, and went to Weber County,
Utah.

"I was in Okaloosa County, Fla., on Election Night,"
Brunelli said. "The Internet ballots came in and were
printed out. It worked flawlessly."

She said a quick after-action review indicates the system
worked well. There was no tampering and the ballots
remained secret. Comments from the participants showed they
were satisfied with the process, with one voter calling it
a "snap."

Brunelli said her office would work with state, county and
federal officials during the next election cycle if voting
by Internet receives the OK. She said some changes would
have to be made.

"We would have to adapt the program to comply with the
Americans With Disabilities Act, and we could modify the
program so there would be no need for counties to print out
the ballots," she said. "The ballots could go straight to
tabulation."

Brunelli said the Federal Voting Assistance Program will
prepare a report about their Voting Over the Internet pilot
project and it should be available in March or early April.

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Jeff Russo wrote:

 As I went to private school for 13 years, no one's taxes went to my education.

I find that hard to believe.  How and where were your teachers educated?
What text books did you use?  What curriculum did you follow?  What
technology was used in your school?  Where was that technology
developed?  What roads did you use to get to school?  Did you have
electricity?  Plumbing?  Pardon me if you were educated on a
self-sustaining commune that produced its own paper and ink.


 My parents, who certainly did not qualify as even middle class, paid for my
 education twice ~$1500 a year for the private schools, and their taxes
 while the public schools were sucking up $8K+ per student per year.

That was your parents choice.  However, I find it hard to believe that
your tuition was $1,500 per year for a private school.  And, actually,
without knowing what country you live in, there is no point talking the
nuts and bolts of numbers.  I'm from Canada where education is primarily
a provincial matter.

But I think that, in a sense, you are talking about deregulating
education, much the same as electricity was deregulated in California?


 And, beside the benefit to childless people of not paying these insane taxes,
 eliminating the current public school situation would be the best way to
 achieve your goal of "providing children with a good education."

The children here do receive a good education.  I can see nothing to be
gained whatsoever by 'eliminating' the school system - it might make an
interesting science fiction story though.



 observes an intractable public school situation such as I observed for
 years in the school system where I grew up realizes that they are far
 beyond repair. The $1+ they now receive per child is essentially fraud and
 theft.

Well, that's sad.  I'm happy to report that my 15 nieces and nephews
under the age of 10 are receiving excellent educations in our school
system.  It's a community thang, you know?

Kelly

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[CTRL] Website-EXOPOLITICS: THE NON-TERRESTRIAL POLITICS WEBSITE


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EXOPOLITICS: THE "NON-TERRESTRIAL POLITICS" WEBSITE
IS ONLINE

VANCOUVER, BC - EXOPOLITICS: THE "NON-TERRESTRIAL
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news, research and articles on Exopolitics: Extraterrestrial
Politics.

WEBSITE NAME - EXOPOLITICS - THE "NON-TERRESTRIAL
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Alternate Mirror Website:
http://www.extraterrestrial.ca

"We are witnessing the end of terrestrial, Earth-based politics,"
said "Non-terrestrial Politics" Website founder Alfred Lambremont
Webre.  "Exopolitics.com is an Internet source for fresh views on
non-terrestrial, Universe politics."

VANCOUVER, BC - "EXOPOLITICS: A Decade of Contact", a new
 book by Alfred Lambremont Webre, JD, MEd, a former director of
the 1977 White House Extraterrestrial Study, claims that we live in
 a populated, organized Universe. Exopolitics, an emerging
discipline, is the study of law, politics and government in the
Universe.  "A non-terrestrial, Universe government monitors Earth,"
 Webre states, "and may be preparing an eventual end to Earth's
quarantine in Outer Space."

Webre, a former futurist at Stanford Research Institute, led an
abortive 1977 study of extraterrestrial communication approved by
the Jimmy Carter White House.  The White House study was
abruptly terminated in September, 1977 by intervention of the
Pentagon.

Features on THE NON-TERRESTRIAL WEBSITE include:

Current Exopolitics (Non-terrestrial Politics) News, updated  daily


Exopolitics articles - Non-terrestrials  Politics


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"As with other historical transformations of human society, politics
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Universe society. Politics is a process by  which the interests of
individuals, groups, and institutions will mediate, compromise, and
create a collective future. Politics,  however, does not end at
Earths edge. Politics is a process that is  universal. Earths
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[CTRL] Book-EXOPOLITICS: WE LIVE IN A POPULATED, ORGANIZED UNIVERSE


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DIRECTOR OF 1977 CARTER WHITE HOUSE E.T. STUDY.

VANCOUVER, BC - "EXOPOLITICS: A Decade of Contact", a new book by Alfred
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Extraterrestrial Study, claims that we live in a populated, organized
Universe. Exopolitics, an emerging discipline, is the study of law, politics
and government in the Universe.  "A non-terrestrial, Universe government
monitors Earth," Webre states, "and may be preparing an eventual end to
Earth's quarantine in Outer Space."

Webre, a former futurist at Stanford Research Institute, led an abortive 1977
study of extraterrestrial communication approved by the Jimmy Carter White
House.  The White House E.T. study was abruptly terminated in September, 1977
by intervention of the Pentagon.

EXOPOLITICS, PART ONE: Turning the Universe Upside Down:

How most of the story modern man and woman know about Earth and its outer
space environs is wrong. How it is logical and rational that we live in a
highly populated and organized Universe society of life-bearing planets. How
Universe politics have placed Earth in a planetary quarantine. How that
quarantine may be lifting, and what we can do to hasten a universe reunion.

EXOPOLITICS, PART TWO - Universe Politics:

How Universal law ultimately governs humanity. Universal law operates much
like other natural and governmental laws on Earth. How politics and
government do not stop at Earth's edge. How our position in interplanetary
society is determined by what human society as a whole does on Earth - all
politics are local, global, and then universal. How a planetary security
system based on militarization and war effectively cuts us off from Universal
society. How a progressive planetary society sets   the stage
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[CTRL] Psyops: Ban Lifted on Assassinations


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  http://www.copvcia.com/assassination_ban.htm

 HOUSE BILL PROPOSES LIFTING BAN ON ASSASSINATIONS

 BUSH ADMINISTRATION WASTING NO TIME IN MOVING TOWARD WAR FOOTING

 Armitage The Executioner

 FTW 1/24/01 - HR 19, Introduced by Republican Georgia Congressman Bob Barr
 on January 3, 2001, the first day of the new 107th Congress, would
 legislatively repeal sections of three Executive Orders specifically
 prohibiting assassinations by the United States Government.

 Entitled the "Terrorist Elimination Act of 2001", the bill, submitted to the
 House International Relations Committee, would specifically nullify sections
 of three previous Executive Orders including one initiated by Ronald Reagan
 in 1981. It is interesting to note that acts of Congress are not required to
 nullify previous Executive Orders (EOs) which are, by definition, orders
 issued by the President and Commander in Chief to all federal employees
 (including military) under his authority. All that is necessary to reverse
 one EO is another EO. This is exactly what President George W. Bush did with
 respect to EOs issued by President Clinton on the environment in the last
 days of his administration.

 Section 3 of HR 19 specifically states:

 "The following provisions of Executive orders shall have no further force or
 effect:

 (1) Section 5(g) of Executive Order 11905.
 (2) Section 2-305 of Executive Order 12306.
 (3) Section 2.11 of Executive Order 12333." [By Ronald Reagan]

 Section 5 (g) of Executive Order 11905, signed by Gerald Ford on 2/18/76
 specifically prohibited "political" assassination. Section 2-305 of
 Executive Order 12036, signed 1/24/78 by Jimmy Carter renewed the ban.
 Section 2.11 of Executive Order 12333, signed by Ronald Reagan on 12/4/81
 renewed the ban on assassinations, or conspiracy to commit assassinations,
 as part of a broader package which gave virtually complete control of the
 American National Security apparatus to then Vice President George H.W.
 Bush.

 The full text of HR 19 may be viewed at http://thomas.loc.gov. Enter a
 search in the 107th Congress for 19 and it will take you straight to the
 bill

 The bold move, unreported and ignored by any major media, offers a chance
 for an early referendum on the new administration's full-speed run at a more
 violent and brutish foreign policy.

 The current bill, introduced by staunch Bush supporter and Clinton
 impeachment leader Barr, indicates that the Bush administration is seeking
 to add legitimacy to the move by implying that Congress and the American
 people support the action. This can only mean that there is quite likely a
 list of people the Bush Administration wants to start killing fairly
 quickly. The appointment of career covert operative and Annapolis graduate
 Richard Armitage as Deputy Secretary of State under Colin Powell only
 underscores the clear message that the Bush Administration is sending to the
 world.

 Armitage, who was denied a 1989 appointment as Assistant Secretary of State
 because of links to Iran-Contra and other scandals, served as Assistant
 Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs in the Reagan years.
 U.S. Government stipulations in the Oliver North trial specifically named
 Armitage as one of the DoD officials responsible for illegal transfers of
 weapons to Iran and the Contras. But Armitage's dirty past goes much deeper.


 A Vietnam veteran and graduate of Annapolis, Armitage's roots have been
 thoroughly intertwined with the likes of CIA veteran Ted Shackley, Richard
 Secord, Heine Aderholt, Elliot Abrams, Dewey Clarridge, Edwin Wilson and Tom
 Clines. All of these men have been directly linked to CIA covert operations,
 the drug trade, the abandonment of U.S. prisoners of War after Vietnam
 and/or Iran-Contra. Armitage has also been routinely discussed in FTW as a
 Bush-era covert functionary who has been linked to covert operations, drug
 smuggling and the expansion of organized crime operations in Russia, Central
 Asia and the Far East.

 In 1986 a private dispute between POW activist Ross Perot and Armitage went
 public as photos of Armitage with a topless Vietnamese nightclub owner
 Nguyen O'Rourke brought allegations of gambling and prostitution very close
 to Armitage's doorstep. The stories went public when TIME and "The Boston
 Globe" wrote lengthy stories on the feud in 1986 and 1987. That scandal
 arose as a result of 1984 investigations by President Reagan's Commission on
 Organized Crime in which the photo and documentation of gambling charges and
 prostitution led directly to Armitage's close association with O'Rourke.
 Then LAPD Assistant Chief Jesse Brewer, a former Commanding Officer of this
 writer, served on the Reagan Commission.

 The 1992 best-seller "Kiss The Boys Goodbye" by former "60 MINUTES" producer
 Monika Jensen-Stevenson details Armitage's role as Reagan point man on
 Vietnam POW-MIA issues and describes why Armitage has earned the enmity of
 many

[CTRL] New York Times Swallows Pentagon Whitewash

ACTION ALERT: 
New York Times Swallows Pentagon "Whitewash": 
Korea massacre probe needs independent investigation 

January 23, 2001 

The New York Times has given a pass to a deceptive Pentagon investigation 
into the No Gun Ri massacre. Sixteen months after the Associated Press 
published its Pulitzer Prize-winning expose of the massacre by U.S. forces in 
the Korean War (9/30/99), the Pentagon report states that although "an 
unknown number of Korean civilians were killed or injured" by U.S. troops, 
"the deaths and injuries of civilians, where they occurred, were an 
unfortunate tragedy inherent to war and not a deliberate killing." Since the 
AP story first ran, damning new evidence has come to light in the form of 
declassified military documents showing clearly that orders were given to 
shoot all refugees approaching American lines. In addition, testimony from 
American veterans shows that these orders were passed on to U.S. soldiers at 
No Gun Ri and several veterans who were at the scene recalled being under 
orders to shoot. In order to "conclude" that the refugee shootings were not 
deliberate, the Pentagon resorted to concocting a series of tortured 
rationalizations for ignoring many of the inconvenient facts turned up by its 
own investigators. Korean survivors of the massacre have called the report a 
"whitewash" (Agence France Presse, 1/11/01). Yet New York Times reporter 
Elizabeth Becker (1/12/01) took the Pentagon's self-exoneration entirely at 
face value. No criticism or dissent from the Pentagon's spin was reported in 
her piece. Later in the week, AP sent out an analysis (1/13/01) highlighting 
some of the Pentagon report's omissions (written by the lead reporter on AP's 
original prize-winning investigation), but it was ignored by the Times, even 
though the paper originally ran the agency's 1999 No Gun Ri story on its 
front page. Becker's article failed to point out that the Army's lengthy 
Inspector General report at one point admitted-- albeit in an evasive way-- 
that "several soldiers" interviewed by Army investigators "were adamant that 
there was an order" to fire on refugees at No Gun Ri. According to the South 
Korean report of the same investigation, there were in fact 17 such soldiers. 
But the Pentagon dismissed the testimony of these 17 veterans because "they 
had no information to support their assertions"-- they did not personally 
receive the order from their commander and they did not know where the order 
originated. Among the 17 veterans who said there were orders to shoot 
refugees were two men, Lawrence Levine and James Crume, who handled radio and 
message traffic for the Army regiment at No Gun Ri. An AP article last 
November (11/22/00) reported that the two men gave the Army sworn statements 
saying that orders to fire on civilians came down the Army chain of command 
and were passed on to the units at No Gun Ri. "I'm sure the battalion 
commander and the S3 [operations officer] discussed it even before they put 
the order out to stop the refugees," Crume told AP. "All I know is that the 
order was given-- 'you're not going through'-- and the order was given to the 
heavy weapons company, and that was it." Levine and Crume's statements were 
never quoted or mentioned in the Pentagon report. Becker's article ignored 
them as well. Another crucial piece of evidence ignored by Becker-- though it 
has been publicly known since last June-- is a declassified memo written by a 
top Air Force officer in Korea one day before the No Gun Ri massacre. The 
memo said: "The Army has requested that we strafe all civilian refugee 
parties that are noted approaching our positions. To date we have complied 
with the Army request in this respect." The memo went on to note that the 
policy "is sure to receive wide publicity and may cause embarrassment to the 
U.S. Air Force and to the U.S. government in its relations with the United 
Nations." The Pentagon investigators dismissed the memo-- which was titled 
"Policy on Strafing Civilian Refugees"-- because it was referring to a 
"request," "not an order." (Newsday highlighted the Air Force memo in a 
January 19 piece headlined "New Account of No Gun Ri; AF Memo: Army Sought 
Strafing.") Another order to shoot civilian refugees, which was reported in 
the AP's original No Gun Ri story, was given by an 8th Cavalry Regiment 
liason officer in charge of relaying orders from the headquarters of the 1st 
Cavalry Division. The officer gave the following instructions to his 
regiment: "No refugees to cross the front lines. Fire everyone trying to 
cross lines. Use discretion in case of women and children." The Pentagon 
report explained that this was "not an order" but "more likely the liaison 
officer's misinterpretation" of orders that were issued 48 hours later. 
Becker falsely reported that "the South Korean team [of investigators] agreed 
with the Army that American soldiers were not ordered to shoot at the 
refugees." Becker

Re: [CTRL] A Question.....


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In a message dated 01/25/2001 2:40:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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 No, it wasn't. Birth control was legal there but in very short supply (as
were many items under communism). Romania had one of the world's highest (if
not the highest) rate of abortion under the Ceacescu regime, with 'abortion
factories' were women were literally put on a production line staffed by
doctors who processed them one after another. The terrible numbers and
conditions of orphans is largely due to the emigration of parents to the
west, the imprisonment or killing of parents and even (dare i suggest) the
destruction of family values under Romanian Communism. 

That's so strange.  I distinctly remember our television showing the babies
and toddlers in horrible condition and announcing that Romanian law forbade
both birth control and abortion.  How interesting that they appear to have
gotten it all wrong.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] A Question.....

2001-01-25 Thread kl


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 That's so strange.  I distinctly remember our television showing the
 babies and toddlers in horrible condition and announcing that Romanian
 law forbade both birth control and abortion.  How interesting that
 they appear to have gotten it all wrong.

Our television gets 'most everything wrong.

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Re: [CTRL] A Question.....


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In a message dated 01/25/2001 2:40:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The terrible numbers and conditions of orphans is largely due to the
emigration of parents to the west, the imprisonment or killing of parents and
even (dare i suggest) the destruction of family values under Romanian
Communism. 

Come to think of it, when did Romanians get to emigrate anywhere?  They might
have liked to, but emigration was not allowed.  Rommanian communism couldn't
hae done much for family values, but modern American life with both husband
and wife working two jobs to try to pay the rent and buy groceries (even
without considering that utilities are climbing at a rate that is worse than
amazing) doesn't do much for family values either.  It's hard to inspire
family values when both parents are exhausted and worrying about getting laid
off.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Bush's 'Faith-Based' Social Service Plan Violates Constitutio...


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 According to materials distributed during the campaign, Bush wants to
 distribute federal tax dollars to religious groups to provide a plethora of
 social services now being provided by government agencies or secular groups.
 These services would include after-school programs for children, job
 training, drug treatment, prison rehabilitation programs and abstinence
 programs.

 Critics say these kinds of faith-based initiatives are burdened with many
 serious flaws. Among the most serious is a provision that would allow
 federally funded employment discrimination on religious grounds. A religious
 group, for example, will be able to receive public tax dollars to pay for a
 job, but still be free to hang up a sign that says "Jews Need Not Apply." 
'

Yeah, but think on the bright side.  No need for more loans to get the new
roof on the church; no more need for fund raising dinners.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Weather Wars

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To: *OBRL_News [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: OBRL - Environmental warfare, Chossudovsky

Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups

   **

From: Peter Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The Americans and the Russians have developed capabilities to manipulate
the World's climate.

Dr. Rosalie Bertell confirms that "US military scientists are working on
weather systems as a potential weapon."

Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000
From: Michel Chossudovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Climate Change: Washington's New World Order Weapons

IT'S NOT ONLY GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS:
WASHINGTON'S NEW WORLD ORDER WEAPONS
HAVE THE ABILITY TO TRIGGER CLIMATE CHANGE
by Michel Chossudovsky
Professor of Economics, University of Ottawa, author of The
Globalization of Poverty, second edition, Common Courage Press, 2000.

The important debate on global warming under UN auspices provides but a
partial picture of climate change; in addition to the devastating
impacts of greenhouse gas emissions on the ozone layer, the World's
climate can now be modified as part of a new generation of sophisticated
"non-lethal weapons." Both the Americans and the Russians have developed
capabilities to manipulate the World's climate.

In the US, the technology is being perfected under the High-frequency
Active Aural Research Program (HAARP) as part of the ("Star Wars")
Strategic Defence Initiative (SDI). Recent scientific evidence suggests
that HAARP is fully operational and has the ability of potentially
triggering floods, droughts, hurricanes and earthquakes. From a military
standpoint, HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction. Potentially, it
constitutes an instrument of conquest capable of selectively
destabilising agricultural and ecological systems of entire regions.

While there is no evidence that this deadly technology has been used,
surely the United Nations should be addressing the issue of
"environmental warfare" alongside the debate on the climatic impacts of
greenhouse gases.

   * * * * * * * * * * *

Despite a vast body of scientific knowledge, the issue of deliberate
climatic manipulations for military use has never been explicitly part
of the UN agenda on climate change. Neither the official delegations nor
the environmental action groups participating in the Hague Conference on
Climate Change (CO6) (November 2000) have raised the broad issue of
"weather warfare" or "environmental modification techniques (ENMOD)" as
relevant to an understanding of climate change.

The clash between official negotiators, environmentalists and American
business lobbies has centered on Washington's outright refusal to abide
by commitments on carbon dioxide reduction targets under the 1997 Kyoto
protocol.1 The impacts of military technologies on the World's climate
are not an object of discussion or concern. Narrowly confined to
greenhouse gases, the ongoing debate on climate change serves
Washington's strategic and defense objectives.

"WEATHER WARFARE"

World renowned scientist Dr. Rosalie Bertell confirms that "US military
scientists are working on weather systems as a potential weapon. The
methods include the enhancing of storms and the diverting of vapor
rivers in the Earth's atmosphere to produce targeted droughts or
floods."2 Already in the 1970s, former National Security advisor
Zbigniew Brzezinski had foreseen in his book "Between Two Ages" that:

"Technology will make available, to the leaders of major nations,
techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum
of the security forces need be appraised... [T]echniques of weather
modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought
or storm."

Marc Filterman, a former French military officer, outlines several types
of "unconventional weapons" using radio frequencies. He refers to
"weather war," indicating that the U.S. and the Soviet Union had already
"mastered the know-how needed to unleash sudden climate changes
(hurricanes, drought) in the early 1980s."3 These technologies make it
"possible to trigger atmospheric disturbances by using Extremely Low
Frequency (ELF) radar [waves]." 4

A simulation study of future defense "scenarios" commissioned for the US
Air Force calls for:

"US aerospace forces to 'own the weather' by capitalizing on emerging
technologies and focusing development of those technologies to
war-fighting applications. From enhancing friendly operations or
disrupting those of the enemy via small-scale tailoring of natural
weather patterns to complete dominance of global communications and
counterspace control, weather-modification offers the war fighter a
wide-range of possible options to defeat or coerce an adversary... In
the United States, weather-modification will likely become a part of
national security policy with both domestic and international
applications. Our government will pursue such a policy, depending on its
interests, at

Re: [CTRL] A Question.....


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 Our television gets 'most everything wrong. 

Yes of course.  I wish you had been there at the time to set us all straight.
 Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] A Question.....

2001-01-25 Thread Arthur Hickman


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Sounds like a job for you, Prudy. You have all the answers don't you?

Butch



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Subject: Re: [CTRL] A Question.


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In a message dated 01/25/2001 5:09:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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 Our television gets 'most everything wrong. 

Yes of course.  I wish you had been there at the time to set us all straight.
 Prudy

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[CTRL] Fw: [PCL] New WorldNetDaily Cartoon

2001-01-25 Thread Arthur Hickman

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Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 4:59 PM
Subject: [PCL] New WorldNetDaily Cartoon

Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 4:19 PM
Subject: New WorldNetDaily Cartoon

What's the hold-up on the approval of John Ashcroft? Take a look behind the scenes of 
these
hearings in our new musical starring none other than the Chappaquiddick scuba-diver 
himself, Ted
Kennedy.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/cartoons/ashcroft.html

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Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???


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  As I went to private school for 13 years, no one's taxes went to my
 education.

 I find that hard to believe.  How and where were your teachers educated?
 What text books did you use?  What curriculum did you follow?  What
 technology was used in your school?  Where was that technology
 developed?  What roads did you use to get to school?  Did you have
 electricity?  Plumbing?  Pardon me if you were educated on a
 self-sustaining commune that produced its own paper and ink.

I suspect my private school tuition paid for technology, electricity,
curriculum, plumbing, books. Very generally, road constrution has been financed
in this country by gas and other transportaion taxes.

I should count a teacher of mine attending public school 30 years ago as a tax
contribution to my education?

The fact of the matter is that my parents, and everyone that home-schools or
sends kids to private school, is paying for TWO educations. I've yet to hear a
reason why this is fair, moral, or just.


  My parents, who certainly did not qualify as even middle class, paid for my
  education twice ~$1500 a year for the private schools, and their taxes
  while the public schools were sucking up $8K+ per student per year.

 That was your parents choice.  However, I find it hard to believe that
 your tuition was $1,500 per year for a private school.  And, actually,
 without knowing what country you live in, there is no point talking the
 nuts and bolts of numbers.  I'm from Canada where education is primarily
 a provincial matter.


Catholic grade school was $800 a year in the 1980's, and high school was under
$2K a year. Sure, there were some low-paid nuns teaching, but it was more than
50% lay teachers. This was in New Jersey.

 But I think that, in a sense, you are talking about deregulating
 education, much the same as electricity was deregulated in California?


  And, beside the benefit to childless people of not paying these insane
 taxes,
  eliminating the current public school situation would be the best way to
  achieve your goal of "providing children with a good education."

 The children here do receive a good education.  I can see nothing to be
 gained whatsoever by 'eliminating' the school system - it might make an
 interesting science fiction story though.


Well apparently the National Education Association does not have the juice in
Canada that it has in the United States. Especially in big cities... where many
residents are poor minorities and their kids are essentially hostages to the
school system they simply will not allow the necessary reforms.

This is a charming topic, but I think we have wandered away from "Conspiracy,"
and I hate when people do that. :)

jeff


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[CTRL] The Congo: Unanswered questions surround Kabila's assassination

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jan2001/cong-j25.shtml

The Congo: Unanswered questions surround Kabila's assassination

By Chris Talbot
25 January 2001

Thirty days of official mourning began in the Democratic Republic of Congo 
(DRC) following the burial on Wednesday of the country's assassinated 
president, Laurent Kabila. The presidency was assumed almost immediately by 
his son Joseph, previously head of the armed forces, in what the ruling 
clique in Kinshasa has termed an “interim government”.
The real circumstances of President Kabila's death and who was responsible 
are still murky questions, with several conflicting explanations being 
circulated.
In his latest account of the assassination on January 16, Emile Mota, 
Kabila's Economics Minister, claims he was the only person present besides 
Kabila and his assailant, who was one of the President's bodyguards.
Mota rejects versions of the assassination events circulated by Western 
diplomats, which suggested it took place in front of top generals after a row 
about the recent setbacks in the war against Ugandan and Rwandan-backed rebel 
forces. Some accounts had even suggested that one of the top generals had 
shot Kabila. Mota also denied there had been any other shooting, despite 
reports from foreign diplomats that gunfire could be heard for about 30 
minutes.
Several accounts support Mota's claim that the killing “was a premeditated 
attack that had been planned for some time”. However, the rest of his 
statement raises serious doubts. Why should various foreign diplomats have 
all given misleading accounts?
Since the assassin was immediately chased and shot dead, and so cannot be 
questioned, Mota's denial that anyone else was involved would seem designed 
to divert attention away from the inner circle around Kabila. But even if 
they were not present at the killing-and his son Joseph was conveniently 
absent in Katanga—the involvement of elements within the ruling clique would 
seem highly likely, given the dissatisfaction with Kabila's handling of the 
war. Angola, which is giving military support to the DRC along with Namibia 
and Zimbabwe, had recently been looking for a resolution of the conflict, and 
is know to be close to some of the top military.
Such a well-planned surgical operation to remove Kabila makes it unlikely 
that Rwandan or Ugandan forces were directly involved in the assassination. 
Since these opponents of his regime would be more likely to taker much wider 
action, such as a coup, which would have involved seizure of the television 
station and other strategic sites, and Kinshasa was reported calm throughout 
and after the event.
Belgian sources state that the assassin was Kasereka Rachidi (given variously 
in some reports as Rashidi or Rafiri), who is said to be from North Kivu 
province in the east of the Congo and which is now under rebel control. He is 
said to have belonged to Kabila's army since 1997, when it was formed.
DRC military leaders originating from this province are said to have been 
purged and possibly executed in recent months, following defeats at the hands 
of the rebels. Kabila cronies from Katanga replaced them. The Kabila regime 
lacked any countrywide base of support, being comprised almost exclusively of 
people who shared his own Katangan background, mainly relatives. According to 
a Belgian report, an aggrieved group from North Kivu was behind the 
assassination. It was apparently a statement claiming responsibility for the 
killing by this group, called “the young militants of the National Council 
for Resistance and Democracy (NCRD),” that was sent to the French AFP news 
agency in Paris.
However, there are problems with this explanation. Since the whole leadership 
of the army, including Joseph Kabila, were responsible for the purges, why 
just target the President?
The involvement of Western powers in the assassination is another 
possibility. Many African leaders indulge in a rhetorical denunciation of 
“imperialism” to divert attention away from their own involvement in the 
export of their country's wealth to the West, and Kabila was no exception. 
But the DRC leader had upset his US backers, who had brought him to power 
with military backing from Uganda and Rwanda, by reneging on deals to sell 
off mining concessions as well as by refusing to accept IMF proposals to pay 
off the country's huge debts incurred under Mobutu. After breaking with 
Uganda and Rwanda in 1998 Kabila gained the backing of Angola and Zimbabwe 
who wanted to extend their regional power. Another major factor in their 
support was the lucrative business deals concluded with Kabila, including an 
attempt to sell off Congo's diamond producing complex to an Israeli firm, and 
trying to float a copper and cobalt mining operation on the London Stock 
exchange.
The Lusaka peace deal negotiated in the summer of 1999 was carried through 
after the US put considerable pressure on all the major combatants in the 
Congo

Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???


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 -Caveat Lector-

 childless people... would not be paying taxes to support schools that
 our  nonexistent children are not attending.


 It is difficult to tell, without knowing you personally, whether you are
 a supremely selfish person or merely shortsighted. I'll give you the
 benefit of the doubt and assume that you are merely shortsighted because
 selfish people deserve nothing but the universal and continuing contempt
 and derision of all their fellow humans. That is, unless they attempt to
 use the armed might of the state to enforce their sick and evil
 philosophy on the rest of us. Then they should be rounded up and herded
 off a cliff, and good riddance to bad rubbish.

 So let's assume that you are merely shortsighted. Two explanations are
 possible. Perhaps you suffer from a congenital cognitive  deficit. It
 that case it is our duty to pity you, and help you when you need it, to
 dress yourself, tie your shoes, wipe your butt and make you a sandwich
 now and then and other stuff that is beyond the capacity of some one
 whose cognition is so impaired that they cannot even perceive the self
 evident benefits of living in a society of educated people..

 But I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on that, too. Maybe
 you are neither supremely evil nor terminally stupid. Maybe you've been
 brainwashed. Hey, it happens sometimes. It's nothing to be ashamed of.
 Lots of people have been brainwashed. Not to worry. There's a cure. Turn
 off your TV, burn your Ayn Rand books and think for yourself for a
 change. Thank about this:

 In a society which does not educate every single member to the greatest
 extent of their ability, what happens? When you figure it out, let us
 know. You should be able to do this be cause you, yourself, are
 educated. You were educated, at least in part, through the efforts and
 extent of childless people. keep that in mind whilst you cogitate.


To answer your question about society, simply look at the crime statistics from
any big city. That's what happens when we don't educate people. While problems
in these cities have several causes, education is certainly one of them.

Not only did I receive some education from childless people, I served some time
as a college instructor, and any of my students that interacted closely with me
would certainly testify that I cared a great deal about their education.

Why do people equate "[educating] every single member to the greatest extent of
their ability" with maintaining the current public school fiasco in many
cities? Would you look at the drop-out rates or reading  writing aptitude of
the students in many school systems and say that we are "educating every single
member to the greatest extent of their ability." If you think we are, you must
assume we have an incredible number of stupid folks in high school that are
simply incapable of learning. I don't think that at all.

When I come across people in college that can't put a coherent sentence on
paper, I feel that they have been robbed. It's criminal. Why should I be happy
about my tax dollars supporting such an enterprise? I'm sure the government
does many things with your tax money that you consider criminal or immoral; I
find the perpetuation and protection of failing tax-funded schools to be one of
these things. We're depriving many, many people of the basic level of literacy
needed to function.

I don't mind paying taxes for roads, for example, because I more or less pay
for roads when I use them and they more or less work as advertised. No sane
person would say that these troubled school systems are delivering on their
mission.

So when you have an idea on how the public schools can educate people to the
fullest extent of their ability in Detroit, and Philly, and Oakland, and
Atlanta, and Baltimore, and Newark, and many other places, you let us know.
We've tried showering them with money and that does not work. I know that not
from reading Ayn Rand but from looking at the schools where I greu up. I really
do hope you think of something. I certainly don't expect a reasonable answer
from the NEA or from politicians.

I don't think I'm selfish, shortsighted, or brainwashed (well how would I know
if I was brainwashed?) and I watch very little TV and have never read a single
paragraph of Ayn Rand. I'm simply observing a disaster, expressing how I think
it's robbing and cheating so many people, and also voicing my opposition to
funding such a thing.

and what does this have to do with consipiracy

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[CTRL] PLOT TO ASSASSINATE VENEZUELAN PRESIDENT HUGO CHAVEZ REVEALED

PLOT TO ASSASSINATE VENEZUELAN PRESIDENT HUGO CHAVEZ REVEALED

Caracas, January 24 (RHC)-- A plot to kill Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez
has been unveiled in Miami. The head of the Venezuelan political party The
New Democratic Generation, Guillermo Garcia Ponce, told reporters in Caracas
that plans are underway to assassinate Chavez -- with contacts between
rightwing Cuban-Americans in southern Florida and Venezuelan politicians
closely
tied to the oil industry and Colombian paramilitary groups.

Garcia Ponce stated that the plans include using a hit-team armed with
sophisticated weapons. He said the terrorists also hope to recruit members
of the Venezuelan military, provoking an armed uprising against Hugo
Chavez.The leader of the New Democratic Generation warned the opposition in
Venezuela, stating that Chavez has wide support among the armed forces and
solid ties with the people. And he emphasized that the conditions for a
military coup do not exist in the Latin American country.

The Venezuelan political leader urged President Hugo Chavez to take
increased security measures and called for a full investigation into the
assassination plot being planned in Miami by anti-Cuban forces.

http://www.radiohc.org/Distributions/Radio_Havana_English/Radio_Havana_Cuba-24

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[CTRL] US/Canadian Military Merger???

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/national/010124/5052763.html

Forces adviser predicts merger with U.S. military



Burgeoning debt will force profound changes, report concludes

David Pugliese


The Ottawa Citizen

Increasing government costs and public pressure to save money could force the
merger of the Canadian and the U.S. militaries in the future, predicts a top
Canadian Forces adviser. Col. Howard Marsh, who advises the head of the
Canadian Army, says that the amalgamation of the two militaries could come
about around 2020 as North America's society and economy undergo
unprecedented changes. In an essay on future challenges facing military
commanders and in an interview with the Citizen, the colonel outlined what he
predicts will be a radically altered Canada: In the next two decades the
overall public debt will increase to $2 trillion. Large numbers of retirees
will put financial pressure on the social safety net, forcing government to
look for new ways to save money. A North American trading bloc will likely
adopt the U.S. dollar as its currency. Soldiers will be in short supply as
the battle for skilled workers increases. Military training centres and
institutions such as the Royal Military College in Kingston could be shut
down as soldiers' professional development is contracted out. "With the
realization that training, possibly doctrine, and command support are no
longer germane to the (Canadian Forces) and that most of Canada's military
capability is interoperable with the U.S.A., public discussion on
amalgamating the two nations' armed forces is initiated," Col. Marsh predicts
in the essay to be published in June in a Department of National Defence
book. Col. Marsh, 54, emphasizes that the merger prediction is "just one
possible scenario," but he also warns that expected widespread changes will
affect not only the military but Canada's public service, health care, social
and pension plan systems. "I look at the change likely to come upon us and
I'm led to believe we won't be able to make it, which would probably force
government or the public to ask questions about government structure or a
different way of looking after the Canadian Forces," he said in an interview.
Col. Marsh believes that for the next decade the Canadian military will
continue pretty much as it has in the past several years. But he notes that
because of future financial pressures caused by the country's accumulated
debt, "there is a day of reckoning coming." Among Col. Marsh's duties as Land
Force Command Inspector is the job of examining emerging issues and trends.
But he acknowledged that his writings, which in the past have warned about
future military recruiting and financial problems, have a tendency to raise
eyebrows among senior Canadian Forces leaders because of their sometimes
controversial nature. That's something he accepts as part of the job. Another
concern outlined in Col. Marsh's essay is the failure of the Canadian Forces
to produce officers capable of examining long-range strategic issues. The
Canadian Forces, he notes, excels at producing leaders who are good at
tactical, short-term thinking. But when they reach the rank of general they
are expected to switch almost overnight to handling long-range issues
affecting the Canadian Forces. "At the strategic level you have to think five
or 10 years ahead. "You are thinking globally and you're having to deal with
social issues, political issues, and that's part of our problem," said Col.
Marsh. At the same time, the military's promotion system penalizes
lower-level officers who don't conform to the short-term thinking. One army
major told Col. Marsh he was leaving the Canadian Forces because his
promotion chances were halted when he tried to examine issues beyond
day-to-day military operations. "He said, 'I've been told to stop thinking
because I'm upsetting the people around me,' " according to Col. Marsh. "Can
you imagine being told you're not being promoted this year because you're
thinking too much?" That officer has since done extremely well in private
industry, Col. Marsh added. The colonel's other concern is the emergence of
what he calls the commercial-military ethos: the effect on the Canadian
Forces of such programs as Alternative Service Delivery that contract out
military jobs to private industry. Soldiers serve because of loyalty to the
institution and their comrades, he notes, and there is an unspoken soldiers'
covenant that they will take care of each other in combat or if they are
injured. The concern is that alternative service delivery could somehow
weaken that system. Col. Marsh wonders, for instance, how will private
industry transport drivers hired for a Canadian Forces overseas mission react
if the mission quickly deteriorates into war? "By and large we are at peace,
so we haven't had the experience yet of a unit fighting its way out of a bad
spot with ASD drivers and mechanics," said Col. Marsh. "Will the transport
drivers be willing to

[CTRL] James Shelby Downard and Mason-Kennedy connection

2001-01-25 Thread PM Kansan1225

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Subject: James Shelby Downard and Mason-Kennedy Connection
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I've only just discovered this group within the past few days and I've found
myself consistently fascinated by the tenor of discussions here.  I'd be
curious to read some of your comments on the Kennedy-Masonic connection as
postulated by James Shelby Downard (among others).  If any of you are
interested in engaging in a discussion please reply here.  Thanks.

patrick

  I have been investigating the Conspiracy and conspiracy theories for
about eleven years.  James Shelby Downard was the most reliable conspiracy
writer I have read.

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[CTRL] DRUDGE: The Triumph of FoxNews

2001-01-25 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER


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X DRUDGE REPORT X WED JAN 24, 2001 9:15:48 ET X

CNN TELLS STAFFERS TO GET OUT; GUARD ESCORTS, COMPUTER SHUT
DOWNS, TEARS! COO CALLS LAYOFFS 'NOTHING MATERIAL'; TURNER VOWED
'MOST SOCIALLY CONSCIOUS COMPANY WORLD HAS EVER SEEN'

Shocked employees are being told to pack it up and get out in
hours as layoffs hit the once-mighty allnews network CNN this
week.

Hundreds of fired staffers are forced to sign papers agreeing to
release and severance pay.

Security card-keys and IDs are confiscated, but not before
passwords on their work computers are changed, preventing them
from retrieving personal files and cutting them off from their
e-mail. Some are returning to their desks to find their
telephones disconnected.

The NEW YORK POST's Adam Buckman reports that uniformed security
guards stand and watch as the dismissed - some crying - clean out
their desks. The guards then escort them like common criminals to
the exits.

Seven security guards were on hand to supervise the firings at
CNN's Sunset Strip bureau in Los Angeles on Monday, where
employeees were let go moments after an internal memo was issued
warning of hard times ahead.

"I felt like a criminal, a crook, a loser," one fired on-air
talent told the DRUDGE REPORT late Tuesday. "Maybe I am all those
and more, I worked here for so many years. I'll never be able to
log on to AOL again, without feeling blind rage."

Adding insult to pink slip, AOLTIMEWARNER's co-chief operating
officer Richard Parsons has called the layoffs -- involving many
veteran CNN staffers -- 'nothing material'.

In an interview with the LOS ANGELES TIMES last week, Parsons
explained: "This merger is not about layoffs. But in any merger,
you are going to have some overlap and redundancy, with the
exception of co-COOs (laughter)... There will be some personnel
actions you will hear about in the coming days, but nothing
material. "

Among those fired were Greg LaMotte, who was captured by Iraqi
soldiers at the end of the Gulf War and held in captivity for a
week.

'SOCIAL DESTINY'

The firings come a year after CNN founder vowed of the new
merger: "This will be the most socially conscious company the
world has ever seen."

AOLTIMEWARNER head Gerry Levin declared: "We care not only about
value creation... but also the values that we feel we can leave
as a legacy... that have a lot to do with the social destiny of
people everywhere. This merger is not just about big business.
This is not just about money. This is about making a better world
for people." AOLTIMEWARNER chair Steve Case added: "We have an
unbelievable opportunity to really make a difference, not just in
terms of the services people use, but also in terms of the kind
of impact we can have on society."

AOLTIMEWARNER's first impact on society: burdening the nation's
unemployment rolls.


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[CTRL] VulgarKlintoonAdmin Vandalizes Air Force One White House


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 BlankEvidence Surfaces of White House Vandalism by Outgoing Clinton
 Staffers

 By Chad Groening
 January 25, 2001

 (AgapePress) - The recent reports of vandalism of the White House by
 the
 departing Clinton Administration are apparently just the tip of the
 iceberg.

 Originally it was reported by several sources that Clinton staffers
 removed
 the "W" key from White House computer keyboards and pasted them on
 the
 walls. But now a close advisor of President Bush says the damage left
 by the
 departing Clinton officials goes way beyond pranks, to vandalism.

 According to the Drudge Report, the administration has quietly
 launched an
 investigation into the apparent destruction of federal property. So
 far,
 officials have found that phone lines were cut, rendering them
 inoperable.
 Other phone lines were misdirected to other government offices.
 Voice-mail
 messages were changed to obscene greetings. And computer printers had
 blank
 paper interspersed with pornographic pictures, only revealed as items
 were
 run off the computer. Also, walls in the Executive office were
 vandalized by
 graffiti.

 In addition, The Washington Times reports that Air Force One was
 "stripped
 bare" during the former President's official farewell flight to New
 York on
 Inauguration Day. A military steward says all the plane's porcelain
 china,
 silverware, blankets, and other items with the Presidential seal were
 taken
 by Clinton staff.

 © 2001 AgapePress all rights reserved.

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  18:51 ET X

 WHITE HOUSE OFFICES LEFT 'TRASHED': PORN BOMBS, LEWD MESSAGES; LEGAL
 PROBE
 CONSIDERED

 **Exclusive Details**

 The Bush Administration has quietly launched an investigation into
 apparent
 acts of vandalism and destruction of federal property -- after
 incoming Bush
 staffers discover widespread sabotage of White House office equipment
 and
 lewd messages left behind by previous tenants!

 Harriet Miers, 55, Assistant to President Bush and staff secretary
 will be
 investigating possible legal ramifications of the White House
 trashing and
 possible theft, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

 "Miers is just beginning her investigation," a well-place source said
 late
 Wednesday from Washington. "The level of the trashing is very
 troubling,
 this is not just 'W' keys missing from keyboards."

 The damage left by departing Clintonites goes "way beyond pranks, to
 vandalism", said a close Bush adviser.

 White House employees aren't waiting to be interviewed by Miers. They
 are
 providing names of the worst malefactors, previous occupants of
 specific
 offices.

 Photographic and audio evidence is being collected -- as the full
 scope of
 the damage becomes clear.

 Bush's staff has been cautioned not to go public with the extent of
 the
 damage and the worst is being closely held among very top staffers
 for fear
 of leaks. But, according to sources, so far Bush officials have
 found:

 *Phone lines were cut, rendering them inoperable.

 *Voice mail messages were changed to obscene, scatological greetings.
 One
 Bush staffer had his grandmother call from the Midwest. She was
 horrified by
 what she heard on the other end of the line.

 *Many phone lines misdirected to other government offices.

 *Desks found turned completely upside down and trash deliberately
 left
 everywhere.

 *Computer printers that were filled with blank paper but interspersed
 with
 pornographic pictures and obscene slogans that would be revealed only
 as
 items were run off the computer.

 *'W' keys weren't just pried off more than 40 keyboards, some were
 glued on
 with Superglue; some were turned upside down and glued on.

 *Filing cabinets glued shut.

 *VP Office space in the Old Executive Office Building found in
 complete
 shambles. Mrs. Gore had to phone Mrs. Cheney to apologize, first
 reported by
 Rich Galen's Mullings.

 *Lewd MagicMarker graffiti found on one office hallway.

 Separately, the WASHINGTON TIMES reported that Air Force One was
 "stripped
 bare" during the former president's "official" farewell flight to New
 York
 on Inaugural Day.

 All the plane's porcelain china, silverware, salt and pepper shakers,
 blankets and pillow cases  most of it bearing the presidential seal
 -- were
 taken by Clinton staff, a military steward told the paper.

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 and what does this have to do with consipiracy

Dumbing-down education is part of the conspiracy. The purpose is to
turn our children into little sheeple who don't question what the "big
guys" are doing. As an added bonus, Mr.  Mrs. Joe Sixpack have to work
even harder to pay the school taxes, therefore they don't have TIME to
question what the "big guys" are doing.

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[CTRL] WP: Deutch Had Signed Plea Agreement, Sources Say

2001-01-25 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER


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Deutch Had Signed Plea Agreement, Sources Say

By Bill Miller and Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, January 24, 2001 ; Page A13

The night before he was pardoned by President Bill Clinton,
former CIA director John M.  Deutch agreed in writing to plead
guilty to a misdemeanor charge for keeping classified information
on his home computers, according to authorities and documents.

Special prosecutor Paul E.  Coffey, who negotiated the plea
agreement, was not consulted about the pardon and was taken by
surprise when it was announced, a law enforcement source said.

It is unclear whether Deutch requested clemency from Clinton, or
whether the former president simply took action on his own, as he
did with some of the other pardons he issued Saturday.

Deutch agreed Friday evening to plead guilty to a single charge
of unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or
material -- a misdemeanor.  The plea agreement he signed was
contingent upon the judge accepting a sentence worked out by both
sides, which called for no prison time and a $5,000 fine, a law
enforcement source said.

Channing D.  Phillips, a spokesman for U.S.  Attorney Wilma A.
Lewis, confirmed that prosecutors planned to file paperwork in
the case Monday, scheduling a court date for the expected guilty
plea.

But Clinton's pardon of Deutch rendered the issue moot.
Phillips declined further comment.

By Saturday, Clinton apparently was aware of the negotiated plea.
In his "executive grant of clemency" for Deutch, he made
reference to a legal document that is filed as a prelude to a
plea agreement.

Coffey did not return a telephone message left at his office
yesterday. Deutch's lawyer, Terrence O'Donnell, also did not
return calls.

Deutch was among 176 Americans who received pardons or
commutations of their sentences from Clinton on the morning that
he left office.  Some of the pardons, such as the one for
fugitive commodities trader Marc Rich, have generated outrage
from prosecutors and others.

Following the practice of previous administrations in their
closing days, the White House handled the case of Deutch and
about two dozen others directly, instead of going through the
customary Justice Department screening process.

Rep.  Porter J.  Goss (R-Fla.), chairman of the House Permanent
Select Committee on Intelligence and a former CIA operations
officer, said yesterday that Clinton's pardon of Deutch sent the
wrong message to the intelligence community about the importance
of safeguarding classified information.

"I don't think he deserves to be let off the hook for what he
did," Goss said, adding it smacked of "taking care of the
buddies."

Goss said he would oppose any move by the CIA or the Defense
Department to restore Deutch's security clearances.  "As long as
I'm chairman of the intelligence committee, [the pardon] won't
make any difference at all," Goss said.

Sen.  Richard C.  Shelby (R-Ala.), chairman of the Senate Select
Committee on Intelligence, agreed that the Deutch pardon "sends
the wrong message everywhere.  The director of the CIA should be
beyond reproach."

Deutch's security violations came to light in late 1996, after he
resigned as CIA director.  CIA security officials subsequently
discovered that he had written and stored hundreds of highly
classified intelligence reports on unsecure home computers linked
to the Internet.

The Justice Department initially declined to prosecute Deutch and
four months later, in August 1999, Tenet stripped him of his CIA
security clearances.  But in February 2000, amid congressional
demands that the case be reopened, then-Attorney General Janet
Reno appointed Coffey as a special prosecutor to investigate
Deutch's actions.

At that time, Deutch also was under investigation for security
violations that stemmed from his tenure at the Defense
Department, where he worked before the CIA.

Coffey recommended to Reno that charges be filed.  For months,
Deutch refused to negotiate with prosecutors, but as Clinton's
term drew to a close plea discussions began and took on a sense
of urgency.  Deutch's lawyer hoped to strike a plea deal while
Reno was still in office because a Bush administration attorney
general might press for more serious felony charges, people
familiar with the discussions said.

Although Clinton's exact reasons for pardoning Deutch are not
known, individuals in the White House believed, according to
White House sources, that the former CIA director was "overly
pursued" by the FBI and later the Justice Department after his
situation was compared to that of former Los Alamos National
Laboratory physicist Wen Ho Lee.  A 59-count felony indictment
was filed against Lee for allegedly downloading nuclear secrets.
Lee ultimately pleaded guilty in September to a single felony
count of mishandling classified information.

Prosecutors had planned to file what is known as a "criminal
information" on Monday, a legal document that spells out the

[CTRL] The presidential plane was stripped bare.

2001-01-25 Thread tnohava




 http://www.washtimes.com/national/inbeltway.htm
Inside the Beltway

John McCaslin

Political tidbits and other shenanigans from around the nation's capital.

Stripped bare
 The curators were warned to count the silver when the Clintons left the
White House, and the Air Force, as it turns out, should have listened, too.
Now that Bill Clinton is gone  after the longest goodbye anyone remembers 
an Air Force steward tells us about the former president's "official"
farewell flight to New York on Inaugural Day.
 The presidential plane was "stripped bare."
 Since Air Force One is the plane only of the president, the designation
of the Boeing 747 was changed from Air Force One to "Special Air Mission"
and by the time Mr. Clinton boarded he was no longer the president.
 As a courtesy of President Bush, the plane was nevertheless equipped
with all the presidential amenities Mr. Clinton had grown accustomed to
during his two terms in office.
 But not for long. Missing from the plane on arrival in New York, Inside
the Beltway is told, was all the porcelain china, silverware, salt and
pepper shakers, blankets and pillow cases  most of it bearing the
presidential seal.
 What most astonished the military steward was that even a cache of
Colgate toothpaste, not stamped with the presidential seal, was snatched
from a compartment beneath the presidential plane's sink. (The good news, we
suppose, is that there was no halitosis on the return flight to Washington.)


Nation's avenue
 Inside the Beltway understands that President Bush and Secretary of
State Colin Powell both want to reopen Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the
White House.
 The Secret Service, citing security concerns in the wake of the
Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, abruptly closed Washington's "Main Street,"
much to the chagrin of everyone else.
 In 1996, a House subcommittee held hearings on the closure, during
which several lawmakers appealed to then-President Clinton to reopen the
street. However, most senators disagreed, adopting a "sense of the Senate"
resolution that Pennsylvania Avenue could not reopen unless the Treasury
secretary and Secret Service agreed. The Secret Service doesn't.
 Among other things, the closed stretch of the avenue makes a nice
parking lot for Secret Service cars and trucks.
 The thinking now is that the avenue Mr. Bush has to reopen the street
is through presidential order.


Price of popularity
 Democratic Sen. Thomas R. Carper is known by just about everybody in
his home state of Delaware. Being governor in a state smaller than some
congressional districts will do that. But his is not a name that necessarily
jumps out in the crowded town of Washington.
 So, it was not unwelcome to have the cameras suddenly focused in his
direction at last week's Senate Environment and Public Works confirmation
hearing for Environmental Protection Agency-nominee Christine Todd Whitman,
the former governor of New Jersey.
 Seems Mr. Carper and Mrs. Whitman are friends from their days as
governors and the photographers began clicking away when the two began
chatting beforehand.
 But, according to Mr. Carper's press secretary, when Sen. Hillary
Rodham Clinton, New York Democrat, walked into the hearing and sat down next
to Mr. Carper, the cameras went berserk.
 "It was like an explosion," Brian Selander said of the intense flurry
of flashes.
 Mr. Carper, a little wilted at first, then leaned over to Mrs. Clinton
and whispered: "Don't worry, it's been happening to me all day."


Clinton's children
 Several rooms of the White House's Old Executive Office Building were
"vandalized and trashed" by one or more departing members of the Clinton
administration, White House officials were informed in a morning meeting
yesterday.
 That's what one White House official who was there told this column,
after we reported yesterday that several computer keys had been vandalized
by a "prankster."
 "This was vandalism, not a prank," said the official.
 Meanwhile, reader Dennis B. Turner asks: "Are these rather childish
individuals going to be prosecuted? They have openly destroyed government
property, which I believe is a federal offense. As a taxpayer, I am none too
happy about paying for this childish behavior."


John McCaslin, a nationally syndicated columnist, can be reached at
202/636-3284 or by e-mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).

 Inside the Beltway -- The Washington Times.url

Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???


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I agree with this angle.

I think "and what does this have to do with conspiracy?" should be appended to
all the CTRL emails as a reminder to stay topical. But there's already enough
crap appended to each email.

jeff

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  and what does this have to do with consipiracy

 Dumbing-down education is part of the conspiracy. The purpose is to
 turn our children into little sheeple who don't question what the "big
 guys" are doing. As an added bonus, Mr.  Mrs. Joe Sixpack have to work
 even harder to pay the school taxes, therefore they don't have TIME to
 question what the "big guys" are doing.

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Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???

2001-01-25 Thread inri


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 The fact of the matter is that my parents, and everyone that home-schools
or
 sends kids to private school, is paying for TWO educations. I've yet to
hear a
 reason why this is fair, moral, or just.

because, otherwise, those who can't afford to pay for their education won't
get one. you can afford to pay for multiple educations while not
jeopordizing your high standard of living. therefore, it is your
responsibility. do you want to live in a society where the vast majority of
people cannot afford to educate themselves? well, george bush DOES - and if
you do not voice the other opinion (my opinion) and continue to contribute
to public education, this WILL be the outcome. forget about yourself for a
moment and think of the welfare of others less fortunate than yourself - and
fortunate is it, man - you're where you are by chance and if you deny that
you're daft.

wake up people! - bush's package is designed to segregate blacks from
whites. the evidence is loud and clear. the truth is ugly but we must accept
it and fight against it - you more than me as i'm not an american citizen.
bush is a puppet of the worst kind and you must measure every move he makes
by alterior motives. otherwise, we're all in for a scary future.

   And, beside the benefit to childless people of not paying these insane
  taxes,

once again, this is their responsibility as it does not jeopordize their
high standard of living. even the poorest in america have more than the
lower classes in india.

   eliminating the current public school situation would be the best way
to
   achieve your goal of "providing children with a good education."

would you like to explain how? if my parents couldn't afford cable until i
was 12, how could they afford to pay my elementary education? i'm currently
on a university scholarship - i could not be on one if you had not paid for
my grade school. and i will eventually put far more INTO the system than i
ever recieved from it.

if others don't, then so be it. they, however, have the RIGHT to be given
the opportunity to.

this is one of the reasons why a centralized state exists.

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[CTRL] The Pilgrim Society English-Speaking Union

http://www.watch.pair.com/pilgrim.html


The Pilgrim Society  English-Speaking Union

  
  
The following report was received from Eric Samuelson in response to our 
inquiry as to whether the Pilgrim Society of the United States and the 
English-Speaking Union were formed by Cecil Rhodes' Milner Round Table Group 
as part of its purpose to federate the English-speaking peoples and to bring 
all habitable portions of the world under control of a British and American 
Commonwealth. Another report by Mr. Samuelson is a profile of George Louis 
Beer, American correspondent for The Round Table from 1915-18, who was also 
one of the originators of the Royal Institute of International Affairs in 
London and its American branch, The Council on Foreign Relations. 
  
  

WHAT ABOUT THOSE PILGRIMS?

  
Courtesy of Timothy Aho, the remarks of Hon. J. Thorlkelson, U.S. Congressman 
from Montana, follow (a speech to the U.S. House of Representatives on August 
20, 1940): Mr. THORKELSON. Mr. Speaker, under leave to extend my own remarks 
in the RECORD, I include a pamphlet by John J. Whiteford. This pamphlet 
should be of interest to every Member of Congress because it deals with a 
subject that will soon confront us, as it did in 1917: In the past it has 
been largely responsible for drawing this country into the World War at a 
cost of thousands of our young men and billions of dollars and a long period 
of depression. It does not work openly and it is not generally recognized by 
the public. It does not yell from soap boxes in Union Square, call strikes, 
picket or hold parades. It operates from the top down and so it reaches into 
every juncture of American life. It is the far reaching power of British 
propaganda to make this country subservient to Great Britain and the British 
Empire. The scene is a banquet held at the Hotel Plaza, New York City, 
October 25, 1939. This banquet was given by the Pilgrim Society of America in 
honor of the Marquess of Lothian, British Ambassador of the United States. It 
is an old custom of the American Pilgrims to extend this honor to every 
newly-appointed British Ambassador, the same as the British Pilgrims invite 
every new American Ambassador to their midst at a banquet in London. There 
are several curious things about these Pilgrim functions. In the first place 
there is present a these dinners an array of notables, such as it would be 
difficult to bring together under one roof for any other purpose and by any 
other society. The Lothian dinner was no exception. Presiding over this 
affair was Dr. Nicholas Murray Butler, president of Columbia University, and 
chairman of the American Pilgrim Society. Among the guests were John D. 
Rockefeller and J.P. Morgan, Thomas W. Lamont and other members of the House 
of Morgan. Frank L. Polk, Jeremiah Milbank, James W. Gerard (former American 
ambassador to Germany), the French Ambassador to the United States, Lt. Gen. 
Hugh A. Drum, U.S.A. Maj. Gen. John O. Harbord (chairman of the Radio 
Corporation of America), the Secretary of the Treasury, Henry Morgenthau, and 
many other leading figures in government, diplomacy, politics, finance, 
banking, shipping, law, industry, insurance and education. These men had come 
especially to honor Lord Lothian and to hear him speak. Before this important 
audience Lord Lothian's speech could not merely be a light after-dinner talk 
of clever stories and witticisms. It was an important as front-page news. 
* * * * * *
A few prominent Pilgrim members, past and present, are listed below: J.P. 
Morgan, Russell Leffingwell, Henry P. Davison, John W. Davis, John D. 
Rockefeller, Harry Rockefeller, Ogden Mills Reid, Henry Morgenthau, Otto 
Kahn, Robert Fulton Cutting, James B. Clews, John B. Trevor, William Fellowes 
Morgan, Henry W. Taft, Adolph Ochs, James Speyer, Charles H. Rabin, Sir 
Ashley Sparks, George F. Trewbridge, Phillip Rhinelander, Andrew W. Mellon, 
Albert H. Wiggin. J. W. Hill, John F. O'Ryan, Frank L. Polk, George R. ??, 
Julius Ochs Adler, Alfred I. Aiken, Herbert I. Aldrich, John Whitney, W.B. 
Whitney, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Vincent Astor, Julius S. Bache, Robert Lew 
Boron, Ancell H. Bail, David H. Biddle, Robert W. Bigelow, Irving T. Bush, 
Newcomb Carleton, Joseph H In the nature of their exclusive membership 
and... the Pilgrims may be termed the wholesale agency for promoting the 
interests of Britain in this country. It is strictly a Tory organization. The 
retail outlet is the more widely known English-Speaking Union, which has for 
its avowed purpose: "To draw together in the bond of comradeship the 
English-Speaking people of the United States and of the British Empire by the 
disseminating knowledge of each in the other and by reverence for their 
common institutions." It is interesting to note that the English-Speaking 
Union originated in London in the fateful year of 1917 when America bared her 
strong arm in defense of democracy. Like the Pilgrims, the

Re: [CTRL] James Shelby Downard and Mason-Kennedy connection


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  I have been investigating the Conspiracy and conspiracy theories
for
about eleven years.  James Shelby Downard was the most reliable conspiracy
writer I have read.


Where does one find Mr. Downward's writings. I know of his piece in Secret
and Suppressed, where does one find more?

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[CTRL] Fw: OTTAWA-GREEN: A People?s History of the CIA: The Subversion of Democracy from Australia to Zaire

2001-01-25 Thread inri


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this may be of interest to some of you. please note, however, that it is
only valid for canadians as postage is expensive and this guy is not heavily
funded, if funded at all. apologies if you're not interested, but i tried to
only send it places that there might be people who are interested in it.

if you can, he said to try and forward it around as much as possible - just,
obviously, don't turn this into untargetted spam (ie DON'T just send it to
everyone in your address book).

you want to get a hold of  Richard Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
request a copy

 In researching the CIA's role in subverting governments around the world,
 I found a wealth of material that I believe may be of interest to you.

 To receive a free sample copy of this issue, send me an email with
 your street addess and we'll mail you a copy.

 Below you'll find:
 (1) the Table of Contents of this issue on the CIA,
 (2) an article on the U.S. role in 'Knocking Over' Canada's government,
1963
 (3) an overview of this issue: "Just Say Know! The CIA's War on
Democracy."

 Richard Sanders, Editor, Press for Conversion!
 ---
 (1)
 Table of ContentsPRESS FOR CONVERSION!
 Issue #43
  "A People's History of the CIA:
The Subversion of Democracy from Australia to Zaire"

 Just Say Know! The CIA's War on Democracy.3
 1944-1954, Germany/USA:  Original Sin - From SS to OSS4
 Growth of the Gehlen Org...5
 1945-1973, Germany/Austria/USA:  "Operation Paperclip"6
 1945-1973, Germany/USA:  From Dachau to "MKULTRA".7
 late 1940s-present, International: "Mockingbird," Buying the Media8
 1947-1948, Italy:  Nazi Loot used to Rig Election.9
 1947-1970s, Greece:  Helping Fascists in a Civil War and Coup10
 late 1940s-1990s, Europe:  Building Right Wing Terror Groups.11
 EU Resolution on Operation "Gladio"...11
 1950-now, Germany,:  "Stay Behind" Forces and Neo-Nazism..11
 1945-1963, Vietnam...12
 1945-1953, Philippines...12
 1949-1953, Albania:  CIA 'Cut its Teeth' with "Operation Valuable"...12
 1950-1970s, Southeast Asia:  Drug Lords and Covert Wars..13
 1953-1963, USA:  MKULTRA and LSD.14
 1953, Iran:  Coup Returns Shah in "Operation TPAJAX".15
 1954, Guatemala:  "Operation PBSuccess," Another Coup16
 1957-1961, Canada:  MKULTRA Experiments in Montreal..17
 1958-1991, Iraq:  A Classic Case of Divide and Conquer...18
 1958, Indonesia:  The Failed Overthrow...19
 1960s-1970s, Canada:  Prisoners used as Guinea Pigs..20
 1960-1997, Congo:  Replacing Lumumba with Mobutu.21
 1962, South Africa:  Mandela Imprisoned..21
 1961-1963, Cuba:  Everything from PsyOps to an Invasion..22
 1962-1963, Canada:  'Knocking Over' "Dief the Chief".23
 Dief's "Made in Canada" Policies..23
 A Plot "Made in the USA"..23
 Key Quotations on the events of  January 1963.24
 CIA Fingerprints:  The Americans behind the Plot..25
 1965, Indonesia:  Executing a Campaign of Mass Murder26
 1968-1976, Chile:  Killing a Democracy...27
 1975, Angola:  Mercenaries, Murder and Corruption28
 1975, Australia:  Overthrowing Whitlam's Labour Party29
 1976, South America:  "Operation Condor" Cross-Border Killing31
 1978-1992, El Salvador:  Training the Death Squads...32
 pre1979-1989, Afghanistan:  The CIA's Biggest Covert War 33
 1980, Iran/USA:  The Reagan/Bush "October Surprise"..34
 1980s, Nicaragua:  Reagan's Contra Terrorists35
 1980s, U.S./Central America:  Contras, Gangs and Crack...36
 1980s, USA:  Money Laundering for Contras, Mob and CIA...37
 1983-present, International:  NED and "Project Democracy"39
 1984-1989, Panama:  If NED Fails, Send in the Marines40
 1990s-present, Colombia:  The Phoney 'War on Drugs'..41
 1999, Yugoslavia:  KLA, CIA, OSCE and NATO Join Hands42
 Mr. Massacre, from El Salvador to Racak...43

 plus:
 VANA Update (the National Newsletter of Veterans Against Nuclear Arms)
 Nuclear Winter Revisited.44
 Peace Policies of the Political Parties..46
 Short

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2001-01-25 Thread Arthur Hickman





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Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???


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 wake up people! - bush's package is designed to segregate blacks from
 whites. the evidence is loud and clear. the truth is ugly but we must accept
 it and fight against it - you more than me as i'm not an american citizen.
 bush is a puppet of the worst kind and you must measure every move he makes
 by alterior motives. otherwise, we're all in for a scary future.


While I'm not defending Bush or vouchers as they have been proposed, you should
note (and you may not know as you are not a citizen) that in cities in the US
that have attempted vouchers, minorities have been some of the strongest
supporters of voucher programs. This is because they have seen close-up the
status of the public schools that you think we should continue to bless with
increased sums of money.

Bush is a puppet of the worst kind on many issues. So was Clinton, BigBush,
Reagan, etc it is the only way to become president.


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Re: [CTRL] A DANGEROUS SITUATION by Whitley Strieber

2001-01-25 Thread flw


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 01/23/01: A DANGEROUS SITUATION by Whitley Strieber
 http://www.whitleysworld.com/new-journal012301.html
 excerpt:
 "I am sitting here stunned. I have just found out that the climate is
 changing much faster than scientists used to think. The extraordinary process
 of sudden climate change is not somewhere down the road. It is staring us
 right in the face. What is worse, we are absolutely unprepared."
 -
 Samantha

Whoa!! Good thing Whitley was not around 1000 years ago...when
 Greenland was actually green and grew wheat...and the earth was much
warmer then today.(That is why the handwringers always bleat "warmest
 in 900 years...rather then 1000 years since about 900 years ago the
 earth entered a mini ice age.)
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Re: [CTRL] Concerned Citizens Opposed to Police States

2001-01-25 Thread flw


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Alert:  New Group Targets Police State Policies in America

Totally new and ready to go - the organization dedicated to
stopping and reversing America's steady drift toward a police
state. It's Concerned Citizens Opposed to Police States - we
call it CCOPS.

Ever hear of that expression "a day late and a dollar short?"
flw

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Re: [CTRL] Clinton Phrase Now a GOP Favorite

2001-01-25 Thread flw


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 Wednesday January 24 2:46 AM ET
 Clinton Phrase Now a GOP Favorite
  By RON KAMPEAS, Associated Press Writer

   I don't know if this is true.

  Have not yet heard Orin Hatch exclaim:
  " Oh yeah baby! Thats it - thats it!
   "Don't stop now - I'm coming!!!"
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Re: [CTRL] James Shelby Downard and Mason-Kennedy connection

2001-01-25 Thread tenebroust


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There is quite a bit of stuff floating about regarding the Kennedy assassination.  The 
Masons inevitably pop up from time to time.  I think a lot of what he postulates is 
pretty far fetched to say the least BUT some of it is eerie and could have some truth 
to it.  BUT, what it all boils down to in this issue is that there is TOO MUCH 
information and the waters have been SO muddied that the real truth will never be 
fully known.  And that is the desired result by those who had a hand in it.



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   Patrick Stinson wrote:

 Subject: James Shelby Downard and Mason-Kennedy Connection
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 I've only just discovered this group within the past few days and I've found
 myself consistently fascinated by the tenor of discussions here.  I'd be
 curious to read some of your comments on the Kennedy-Masonic connection as
 postulated by James Shelby Downard (among others).  If any of you are
 interested in engaging in a discussion please reply here.  Thanks.
 
 
 patrick
 

   I have been investigating the Conspiracy and conspiracy theories for
 about eleven years.  James Shelby Downard was the most reliable conspiracy
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Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???


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  The fact of the matter is that my parents, and everyone that home-schools
 or
  sends kids to private school, is paying for TWO educations. I've yet to
 hear a
  reason why this is fair, moral, or just.

 because, otherwise, those who can't afford to pay for their education won't
 get one. you can afford to pay for multiple educations while not
 jeopordizing your high standard of living. therefore, it is your
 responsibility. do you want to live in a society where the vast majority of
 people cannot afford to educate themselves? well, george bush DOES - and if
 you do not voice the other opinion (my opinion) and continue to contribute
 to public education, this WILL be the outcome. forget about yourself for a
 moment and think of the welfare of others less fortunate than yourself - and
 fortunate is it, man - you're where you are by chance and if you deny that
 you're daft.


would you care to describe to me the high standard of living I had as a child?
Did you know me?

We do have people in this country that can not afford to educate themselves.
Currently, we take money sometimes $1+ per student per year and
send them to a place where there is strong possiblity that at the end of four
years we'll have, as a result of the $4 spent, a person that cannot read a
job application or a childrens's novel and can't figure out change on a ten
dollar bill if a transaction costs $8.25. Would you care to cite for me the
private schools where this is the case?

We provide various forms of assistance to poor people in this country. We
provide food stamps, yet you don't have to spend them at a government food
store. We provide some medical coverage, which many private doctors will honor.
In some cases, we send a check which can be cashed and spent on whatever the
hell the recipient would like to buy. Why not give poor people another check
and say "here, find yourself a good school for your child. One that provides as
much or as little academic rigor, structure, and moral training as you desire."
?

Why is the government in the school business? I would not mind so much if it
worked. For too many people, it doesn't work.



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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: {slick-d} CNN Fires Hundreds of Staffers!!!

2001-01-25 Thread ThePiedPiper


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tie up the copyright office and any other new technology,
make it hard to start a new business because of
insurance
law suits
ect
create large monopolies and then fire people to create
artificial problems
=
Bush's voodoo economics where they are the ones that
are the actual zombies

Aleisha Saba wrote:

 Subject: {slick-d} CNN Fires Hundreds of Staffers!!!
 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:53:49 -0500
 From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Organization: Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
 To: Dave Kuehne [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Aww... Tooo Bd!!! Let's get out the violins!!! LOL!!!

 --- forwarded message ---

 X DRUDGE REPORT X WED JAN 24, 2001 9:15:48 ET X

 CNN TELLS STAFFERS TO GET OUT; GUARD ESCORTS, COMPUTER SHUT DOWNS, TEARS!

 COO CALLS LAYOFFS 'NOTHING MATERIAL'; TURNER VOWED 'MOST SOCIALLY CONSCIOUS
 COMPANY WORLD HAS EVER SEEN'

 Shocked employees are being told to pack it up and get out in hours as
 layoffs hit the once-mighty allnews network CNN this week.

 Hundreds of fired staffers are forced to sign papers agreeing to release
 and severance pay.

 Security card-keys and IDs are confiscated, but not before passwords on
 their work computers are changed, preventing them from retrieving personal
 files and cutting them off from their e-mail. Some are returning to their
 desks to find their telephones disconnected.

 The NEW YORK POST's Adam Buckman reports that uniformed security guards
 stand and watch as the dismissed - some crying - clean out their desks. The
 guards then escort them like common criminals to the exits.

 Seven security guards were on hand to supervise the firings at CNN's Sunset
 Strip bureau in Los Angeles on Monday, where employeees were let go moments
 after an internal memo was issued warning of hard times ahead.

 "I felt like a criminal, a crook, a loser," one fired on-air talent told
 the DRUDGE REPORT late Tuesday. "Maybe I am all those and more, I worked
 here for so many years. I'll never be able to log on to AOL again, without
 feeling blind rage."

 Adding insult to pink slip, AOLTIMEWARNER's co-chief operating officer
 Richard Parsons has called the layoffs -- involving many veteran CNN
 staffers -- 'nothing material'.

 In an interview with the LOS ANGELES TIMES last week, Parsons explained:
 "This merger is not about layoffs. But in any merger, you are going to have
 some overlap and redundancy, with the exception of co-COOs (laughter)...
 There will be some personnel actions you will hear about in the coming
 days, but nothing material."

 Among those fired were Greg LaMotte, who was captured by Iraqi soldiers at
 the end of the Gulf War and held in captivity for a week.

 'SOCIAL DESTINY'

 The firings come a year after CNN founder Ted Turner vowed the new merger
 will create "the most socially conscious company the world has ever seen."

 AOLTIMEWARNER head Gerry Levin declared: "We care not only about value
 creation... but also the values that we feel we can leave as a legacy...
 that have a lot to do with the social destiny of people everywhere. This
 merger is not just about big business. This is not just about money. This
 is about making a better world for people."

 AOLTIMEWARNER chair Steve Case added: "We have an unbelievable opportunity
 to really make a difference, not just in terms of the services people use,
 but also in terms of the kind of impact we can have on society."

 AOLTIMEWARNER's first impact on society: burdening the nation's
 unemployment rolls.

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My my...someone initiated a condemning and
disdainful exchange in response to my jesting reply.
Sorry...Not Afraid, only BORED with you and your
response concerning the article I posted last week on the Most Holy Reverend
Jesse Jackson and the expose' of his infidelity and illegitimate toddler. If you
recall you chose to respond to that article in private email to me personally
with your bashing remarks and not via CTRL. As a result you couldn't take the
heat as you've proven here.
"cutesy vanity email servers and then disallowing
replies"Sorry again...it's apparent you know nothing about what you're
talking about. Check the message header, trace the message...sorry
again...you'll go nowhere. No (as you put it) "cutesy" servers, no remailers,
all easily traceable. Disallowing replies...mistaken again, all you did was
reply to a non existent email address. I did this full well knowing you wasted
allot of time bashing me again only to have the message returned to you. Knowing
as well you lacked the common sense to work around this. Frankly I was bored
with your drivel and decided you were mentally unstable already.
"Hit and
Run"...I'm
still here, I've been subscribed to this list for at least three years now,
probably more.
"wussy lil' fella" My my...you don't even
know me. It's like I told before, email makes the little man feel big as you've
proven here...illusionary.
"I don't wanna' get off on a rant here but...there's nothing worse than a
big-talking momma's boy throwing the STONES he's so clearly lacking." Really puzzled by this one, a profound and stupid statement.
To make a statement as such you would have to know something about me and that
you clearly do not nor does anyone else on this list.
It's pretty
evident you have some psychological problems, you've proven that with your
pursuit of me via the Internet in private email.Personal advice...When
your Head starts hurting again ["I FEEL YOUR PAIN"-(Barf!)] you should seek
medication and or professional consultation.When pain in your head becomes
unbearable here is a link you might find very useful, "Click Here"If the former
doesn't seem to get the job done for you perhaps you'll find this a useful
alternative, "Click
Here"Perhaps there's something more lacking in your life, a
insufficiency, maybe this will help, "Click
Here"Or you might find help on the flipside, "Click Here"It's
obvious you're a Hillary Clinton Fan, you might enjoy joining the rest of her
Fans, "Click Here".
Your no different
than some of the others who can't accept the fact there is no more Clinton/Gore
or Gore Lieberman Administration. The trashing of the Whitehouse and Air Force
One pretty much tells anyone with some measurable degree of intelligence what
kind of character we had running the Executive Branch of Government, really
honorable huh?
One thing that
puzzles me is why you Forwarded the message below back to the CTRL
ListDUH!!!
Go ahead and
reply in your usual stupid braindead fashion as you won't illicit any response
from me, as your nothing more than a Total Ignorant Bore who chose to initiate
this.

Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William
ShannonSent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 7:12 PMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [CTRL] 2 Klinton articles
In a message dated 1/24/01 6:02:49 PM Central Standard Time,
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It's been reported she's having problems with her Shapeshifting
Abilities. It's also been reported that tnohava is a real wussy lil'
fella' who is to'fraid to reply to emails without resorting to sending "hit
and run" typemissives from cutesy vanity email servers and then disallowing
replies.I don't wanna' get off on a rant here but...there's nothing
worse than abig-talking momma's boy throwing the STONES he's so clearly
lacking.Bill.

[CTRL] For Kris

2001-01-25 Thread PM Kansan1225


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  I first read about Downard in the book "60 Greatest Conspiracies,
etc..."  Adam Parfrey of Feral House and Michael Hoffman have some more of
his writings.

  The reason I recommend him is that his approach led me to my most
significant discoveries;  for example, that Washington, D.C., lies along the
W. 77th Meridian, whereas U.S. Highway 77 connects Oklahoma City to Junction
City, Ks., and Herington, Ks., where McVeigh took off.

  U.S. Highway 77 also passes by Dallas, Tx., and Waco, Tx.  The Kennedy
assassination and the Oklahoma City bombing took place along the business
spurs of Highway 77 through the two cities.

  Finally, this summer, George Walker Bush bought a ranch in Crawford,
McLennan County, Texas.  The county seat again is Waco, right along Highway
77.

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[CTRL] Reptilian Brain


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From: "Lloyd Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Reptilian Brain
Date: Sunday, January 21, 2001 7:40 AM

THE REPTILIAN BRAIN

by James M. Ridgway, Jr

Added to the StarNet Community Editorial Page on January 22, 1997

All social issues, good or bad, are in the end dependent upon man's reptilian brain. 
The so called reptilian brain is the oldest, most primative region of our gray matter. 
It is the aggression-survival center of our existance. The basic ruling emotions of 
love, hate, fear, lust, and contentment emanate from this first stage of the brain. 
Over millions of years of evolution, layers of more sophisticated reasoning have been 
added upon this foundation-- our intellectual capacity for complex rational thought 
which has made us theoretically smarter than the rest of the animal kingdom. When we 
are out of control with rage, it is our reptilian brain overriding our rational brain 
components. If someone says that they reacted with their heart instead of their head. 
What they really mean is that they conceded to their primative emotions (the reptilian 
brain based) as opposed to the calculations of the rational part of the brain.

While the more modern, sophisticated parts of the brain get to do all the really 
complex day-to-day thinking, it is still the antiquated reptilian part that rules the 
roost. Politicians, preachers, and ad men know this, and always aim their words at our 
emotions, not at our intellect to get their message across. The scary thing about the 
reptilian brain is that it has no concept of good or evil. It simply demands action of 
some kind. It will not tolerate a void of inactivity. If it can not find an outlet for 
creative action, it will push relentlessly for destructive action, and if neither is 
possible it then begins pressuring for self-destruction. Thus mankind as a whole, and 
individuals as well, oscillate between war and other murderous impulses and peaceful 
building and harmony. At times when there is no perceived outlet for constructive 
activity, especially among the young and the old, and a strong conscience is blocking 
a destructive outlet, severe depression will take h!
 old of a being in this suspened state of activity, pushing the victim insufferably 
toward suicide. Thus conscience can keep one pure and honest, yet under the wrong 
conditions it can also push one over the edge.

The classic example of the reptilian brain in action can be seen at work in that 
evilest of all evil men of the twentieth century, Adolph Hitler. At first Hitler had 
strong creative impulses to be an artist. However, when he applied to the established 
schools of art he was judged (perhaps more because he did not have the right social 
connections) to lack the basic talent for acceptance. Hitler's dreams were crushed. 
During the next several years he wondered the streets of Austria and Germany, at time 
a wholly destitute person whom some historians claim made at least nineteen attempts 
at suicide. On one nearly successful attempt, ironically, he was prevented from 
self-destruction by members of a jewish family. Eventually, as we all know, blocked 
from positive pursuits and having failed at suicide, Hitler discovered the Nazi party 
and his reptilian brain got its way in a destructive orgy that took out himself and 
over 60,000,000 others of his species, and left much of Europe i!
 n ashes. From the glories of our poets and healers to the criminals and killers who 
terrorize our streets and homes, all are powered by the reptilian brain.

If the reptilian brain is the furnace of our actions, then the male hormone, 
testosterone, is like gasoline upon that fire. This is why over the millenniums men 
have been far more creative and destructive than women. (Sorry politically correct 
group.) Of course, as we know, men are physically most active when their testosterone 
level peaks in their early twenties. Thus with their reptilian brain fired up by 
testosterone at its maximum craving for action in their late teens and early twenties, 
warriors, athletes and gang bangers reach their leatal zenith at this stage of life.

Now the point of this exercise is that the reptilian brain is not about to give up its 
hold on mankind in the next few million years or so, even if we could survive without 
it, which is most likely an impossibility. In any event, it is important that in all 
our political and social endeavors, legislators, aministrators, business and religious 
leaders, and the public at large, be fully aware of how what they intend might impact 
the reptilian brain. Will it create unintended pockets where positive action is 
blocked, leading to a whole array of destructive forces being unleashed, or will it 
allow for

Re: [CTRL] For Kris


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  I first read about Downard in the book "60 Greatest Conspiracies,
etc..."  Adam Parfrey of Feral House and Michael Hoffman have some more
of
his writings.

 I am aware of these, it is my understanding that JSD passed on and was
wondering if there was anything else out there.

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[CTRL] Civilisations 'destroyed by climate change'


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London Telegraph 1/26/01
  Civilisations 'destroyed by climate change'
By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
 Science

  SCIENTISTS warn today of "unprecedented social disruptions" that could
result from global warming, after linking the collapse of societies
throughout history to climate change.
There is "mounting evidence" that the demise of some civilisations was
climate-driven, report Prof Harvey Weiss of Yale University and Prof Raymond
Bradley of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst.

Scientists are now able to link the rise and fall of societies recorded in
the archaeological record with evidence of the timing and magnitude of
climate change held in ice cores, corals and sediments. Prof Weiss said: "We
find a very precise coincidence between the abrupt climate changes and the
archaeological record of collapse."

Sediments from Lake Titicaca, which straddles the border between Bolivia and
Peru, reveal that South America has endured alternating periods of heavy
rainfall and severe drought over the past 25,000 years. Studies of ancient
coral reefs in New Guinea show that the climate phenomenon El Nino, which
disrupts rainfall patterns worldwide, is more intense today than at any time
in the past 130,000 years, possibly as a result of global warming.

Societies from the Classic Maya of the New World to the prehistoric hunting
and gathering Natufians of south-west Asia were drastically affected by
sudden, prolonged and intense temperature and rainfall changes which
disrupted agriculture.

"These events were abrupt, involved conditions unfamiliar to the inhabitants
of the time, and persisted for decades to centuries," say the professors in
the journal Science. "They were therefore highly disruptive, leading to
societal collapse." The demise of the Classic Maya society in the 9th century
AD coincided with the most prolonged and severe drought of the millennium.

The pyramid-constructing Old Kingdom of Egypt, the Akkadian empire of
Mesopotamia, and Early Bronze civilisations of Palestine, Greece and Crete
all peaked in 2300 BC, then declined when catastrophic drought and cooling
struck a decade or so later. The Late Uruk society that flourished in
southern Mesopotamia in 3500 BC collapsed between 3200 and 3000 BC, again due
to drought.

The professors suggest that modern societies, faced with prospects of global
warming, may not be immune to social disruptions triggered by abrupt climate
change. Most of the world's people will continue to be subsistence or
small-scale market farmers. But unlike ancient societies, who could migrate
to where cultivation of crops was possible, the world is now too crowded for
"habitat tracking".

The authors say: "We do, however, have distinct advantages over societies in
the past because we can anticipate the future using computers," say the
authors. We must use this information to design strategies that minimise the
impact of climate change on societies that are at greatest risk. This will
require substantial international co-operation without which the 21st century
will likely witness unprecedented social disruptions.

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Re: [CTRL] WHITE HOUSE OFFICES LEFT 'TRASHED': PORN


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In a message dated 1/25/01 1:40:54 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 "Miers is just beginning her investigation," a well-place source said late
  Wednesday from Washington. "The level of the trashing is very troubling,
  this is not just 'W' keys missing from keyboards."

  My oh my.  Yes, I think the perpetrators of a coup de etat should be
frothing in righteous indignation over vandalism.  It is perfectly
appropriate.

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Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???


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In a message dated 1/25/01 2:09:50 PM Central Standard Time,
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 Anyone that
  observes an intractable public school situation such as I observed for
  years in the school system where I grew up realizes that they are far
  beyond repair. T

  I was educated in private and public schools and got a good education in
both.  As a parent, I have been pleased with public education, except in one
school district, which was hell.

  What I see out there are scores and hundreds of committed teachers and
administrators doing the best they can with what they have.  I also see
truckloads of propaganda attempting to undermine the very fine work these
people do day after day and year after year.

  I got a helluva lot more brainwashing in private religious school than I
did in public school.  But I guess that's what all this propaganda crap is
about.  The goal is to fry kids' brains and make them better worker drones.
Public education avoids most of that baloney, and MUST BE STOPPED!

Samantha

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Re: [CTRL] WHITE HOUSE OFFICES LEFT 'TRASHED': PORN

2001-01-25 Thread BB


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And I'm sure you liberal democrat disruptors are just infuriated that the
clinton criminal children just didn't burn the White House to the ground.

"Samantha L." wrote:

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  "Miers is just beginning her investigation," a well-place source said late
   Wednesday from Washington. "The level of the trashing is very troubling,
   this is not just 'W' keys missing from keyboards."

   My oh my.  Yes, I think the perpetrators of a coup de etat should be
 frothing in righteous indignation over vandalism.  It is perfectly
 appropriate.

 Samantha


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Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???


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--- "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 In a message dated 1/25/01 2:09:50 PM Central Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Anyone that
   observes an intractable public school situation such as I observed for
   years in the school system where I grew up realizes that they are far
   beyond repair. T

   I was educated in private and public schools and got a good education in
 both.  As a parent, I have been pleased with public education, except in one
 school district, which was hell.


I'm sure this is true. I suspect that this is a good encapsulation of the
situation nationally many schools doing a decent, or better, job but with a
small percentage that are, to use your phrase, "hell." And it seems to me the
"hell" ones are concentrated in the areas where the kids are in the greatest
need of a good education.

   I got a helluva lot more brainwashing in private religious school than I
 did in public school.  But I guess that's what all this propaganda crap is
 about.  The goal is to fry kids' brains and make them better worker drones.
 Public education avoids most of that baloney, and MUST BE STOPPED!

Both religious and public schools have MORE than their fair share of "baloney."
People should be at least choose which "baloney" to fund and which not to fund.


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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

2001-01-25 Thread Kindred Spirit


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Nessie, June and Prudy,
It has always been my understanding that "Caveat
Lector" was there for a reason before each post and
that a person could post something and not expect to
be attacked personally because of the content of the
post.  If an articel calls somebody a name that is not
the same as the person who posted it doing so, unless
they are also the author of the article.  So everybody
endorese every article they post 100% or issue an
elaborate explanation.  It was posted before that this
was not necessary and wasted bandwidth which I
understand is paid for by Kris and not you three
tyrants.  That is just not so because some people post
articles on both sides of an issue like Mike Spritzer.
 And it is very impractical because a person might
endorse paragraphs 3, 5 and 7 but not 2 and 4.  What
you say is not true or maybe you expect me to say you
speak with forked tongue.

I can change my name if you do not like it.  It was
changed twice for me already by people just like you,
once when I started to school and again to give me an
anglo name.  My anglo name is Abbey. I hate it. But
this time I think I will cahnge it to Prudy June.
Anglo names are better, aren't they?

Obviously, to me anyway, I meant my grandmother named
me before she died but she is dead now and cannot be
contacted, except spiritually, to ask her why she did
such an awful thing.  She died on the res in North
Carolina in the luxury accommodations there also
provided by good  people just like you.  Heat would
have been nice, but beggars cannot be choosers, can
they. And you know best how to deal with people like
us.  We are very ignorant and you are wise.  We are
band and you are good.

As for you, June, telling me to get a skin (scalp) on
ebay, you are just too funny for words and your ethnic
slur is not wasted on me.  I wonder why posting an
article containing an ethnic or racial slur written by
somebody else (and containing other more important
information)is so evil but yours to me is not. Well,
on this list that all depends on who is doing the
slurring. And more importantly which ethnic group is
being slurred.

As for having thick skins, that is not necessarily a
virtue.  Many people with thick skins have them
because they are crass and insensitive.  I have
watched you people hound others away like Eagle 1 and
I wonder just what you are so afraid of.  You cannot
tolerate people who do not agree with you.

And for your edification, June, the People of the
Hills North American Natives did not traditionally
take scalps any more than your own ancestors probably
did. Please give me your source for that implication.
I would be fascinated to read this version of history
as I have always been with regard to North American
Natives. Maybe you and Prudy and Nessie could go to
ebay yourselves and get something to make you less
hypercritical and some manners and a new decency as
yours is seriously flawed.  None of you contribute
very much to this list yet you seem to think you are
free to insult every poster you do not like and
usually operate as a wolf pack does.  Anybody who does
not like your abuse can get out and don't let the door
hit them in the ass, etc.  I know the drill.  I have
been dealing with drills from people like you my
entire life but I am still here.

Nessie, you in your blind rage have failed to notice
that nobody is or has threatened you or your imaginary
friends who are being threatened.  My friends and I
feel the very same way about somebody who lies about
us as you did me. If you are ever in North Carolina, I
would like to personally invite you to stop by for a
visit.  And I fully understand how you do not want
people like me wasting "your"air or taking up "your'
space. We have our own and should stay within it.  I
understand and am only "out" to go to school.

So anybody on the list who, as Nessie assures me,
thinks because an article I posted called somebody a
name means that I, too, did that, I want to hear from
you, too.  Please post. At leat contact me off list.
I will read all future posts with an eye that the
poster endorses, condones and is a very strong
advocate of whatever they post.  This changes the
meaning of the entire list.  Insteada of a source of
information, it is merely a soapbox for each person to
post their own views and opinions and things they
advocate. So we must all keep that in mind and post
only those causes which we are willing to die for.
That should eliminate lots of posts and leave
everything wide open for these three.
PrudyJune
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 If it "appars to ALL THE WORLD" that I have called
 somebody a "coon"
 why did no one else attack me?


 I got there first. The other people were apparently
 polite enough not to
 waste bandwidth with a bunch of dittos.





 you, NESSIE are a LIAR.  I did not call anybody
 anything.  You, on the
 other hand,  called me stupid, repeatedly and a fool
 and said I

[CTRL] Hackers


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I think hackers should be punished severely, including, in the most extreme
cases, the Death Penalty.

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