Re: [CTRL] A 3rd Way

[Anonymous]

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Glad to see someone else besides myself has a copy of this informative
little book by Gary Allen.   Another to add to the list is
'You Can Trust the Communists (to be Communists)"  by Dr. Fred Schwarz -
1960, by Prentice-Hall, Inc.   Library of Congress Catalog Card Number
60-11732

Another notation...

The Communist Death Toll
People fond of castigating the United States for supporting authoritarian
and totalitarian but non-Marxist leaders can never seem to bring themselves
to speak ill of communist regimes although they are far more repressive.

Just how repressive is revealed in a study by R.J. Rummel,  professor of
political science at the University of Hawaii.  He says that the number of
people killed by communist or totalitarian goverments already approximates
the number that might be killed in a nuclear war.  And it far exceeds the
number of people killed in two world wars plus all the civil wars since the
beginning of the century, he states.

Rummel's research shows communist governments have killed 95.2 million
people.  The two world wars killed 24 million and the Vietnam War 1.2
million.

These figures,  Rummel says,  do not include the 27 million deaths during
the 1958-1961 famine on the Chinese mainland or the 4 million who died in
the 1921-1922 Soviet famine.


eagle 1

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 I think Gary Allen's "None Dare call it a Conspiracy" tells it better. If
 they are CFR / BB / SB / TC., they are agianst American freedom and basic
 communists.
 Ron Wilson

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Re: [CTRL] OEN 6/18/99

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The copy I have shows it written October 25, 1971...
not that it matters.  Just throwing in some trivia.
My copy cost $1.00  :-)

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None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen with Larry Abraham

Catalog #00633 year 1972 Paperback price $12.00 In Print

The classic that popularized conspiracy theory on America's Right.

To order:

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 Hey Kris: Gary Allen and Larry Abraham's 1976
 185 page $7.00 book entitled "None
 Dare Call it a Conspiracy" illustrates
 The international problems causing
 U.S. job and patriotic miseries clearer
 Than in '76 when written!
 Ron Wilson

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[CTRL] occult technology

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http://www.msen.com/~jhdaugh/a-albionic/gopher/conspiracy/books/eastind.txt

 The Occult (Secret) Technology of
 Commercial Imperialism
   or Business Collectivism?

 Perhaps the most persistent and perplexing stimulus to the curiosity
of American right-wing conspiracy researchers has been the
seeming contradiction of collectivist sympathies among big business
and banking magnates who one would expect to be individualists.  On
the "left", the fascist, corporate state predilections of big
businessmen have been long known and researched.  The right, on the
other hand, tends to deny the fascist tendencies of big business and
instead, stress the role of big business in fostering communist-
socialist societies such as Soviet Russia and Red China.  The "left",
of course, is as blind to the big business connection to communism as
it is alert to the big business connection to fascism.

 The Project theory postulates that an objective point-of-view
exists from which the high echelon manipulations of big money can be
seen as a consistent whole, ie. as an artificial technology of
"commercial organism" building and "natural" social organism
manipulation that encompasses the facts and observations of both left
and right, but the interpretations of neither.  Perhaps, the key to
the puzzle consists in ignoring the classical "individual rights"
defense of business and commercial/capitalism, as invented and
propagated by agents of the British East India Company such as
Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart Mill, and, instead,
viewing business as the art of consciously building artificial social
organism by harnessing individual self interest through the artifice
of money to the thereby emergent "social organism- or collective designed
to ulitmate serve an elite.

 Grasping this postulated technology outside the inner sanctum of
the conspiracy is at a rudimentary level.  The Occult Technology of
Power, reviewed elsewhere in this issue, was perhaps the first
attempt, albeit an a-historical attempt, at adumbrating this
technology.  The Occult Technology should be read as a primer.

 Most important in researchin the concept of "artificial
organism" creation, hereafter "commercial imperialism", is the study
of the British East India Company, by far the most titanic single
organ of commercial imperialism ever launched by the "City" or any
other earthly imperialist entity.

 Unfortunately, research on the British East India Company is no
easy task.  Though a few books exist on this topic, nearly all seem to
recount the same dry historical narrative, mostly the military battles
and suppression of various revolts.   Somehow, the juicy details about
the Company's founders the Board of Director's secret committees,
major stockholders, Royal sponsors, details of exploitive practices
such as "tax farming" and narcotics traffic, etc, seem to be purposely
down played.  Also down played is the extraordinary public antipathy to
the Company that ebbed and flowed in waves over the extraordinary life
of the Company.  One suspects there is a vast, forgotten trove of
"conspiracy literature", contemporary to the Company that has been
lost to history.  Project readers are encouraged to report whatever
evidence they nay have of this "lost" literature.

 However,  even such pro-Establishment accounts as Brian Gardners'
_The East India Company_ who writes-off admitted popular opposition to
ignorance and envy, admits that there was something unfathomable and
mysterious in a "private" Company that once governed a major fraction
(1/5) of the world's population!  Perhaps his introduction which
quotes several other authors will give Project readers a taste of that
mystery:

   A government which through might of arms, was the most powerful
  in Asia: a government, the revenue of which was greater than that of
  Britain; a government which ruled over more people than the present
  government of the United States; a government owned by businessmen,
  the shares of which were daily bought and sold-  As Macaulay said, 'It
  is strange very strange.'  The days of the East India Company seem
  remote, prodigiously remote, and so they are in every way except in
  the real passage of time.  Even in my own lifetime there were d)
  servants of the Company still alive.  Although it receives little
  attention now, this remarkable institution was a matter for constant
  comment and controversy not so long ago.  It is nearly seventy years
  fifth of the world's population-  Dr, C. Northcote Parkinson made it
  seem straightforward enough, in his admirable definition:

 'How was the East India Company controlled?  By the Government.
  What was its object?  To collect taxes  How was this object attained?
  By means of a large standing army.  What were its employees?
  Soldiers, mostly, the rest, civil servants.  Where did it trade to?
  China.   What did it export from 

Re: [CTRL] SNET: Fwd: Christian Identity undergoes a revival in area, experts say

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C'mon, the list guidelines say 'nazis need not apply'.

I vote this b*gger gets tossed now.

R.


John Lee wrote:

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 Yeah, Yeah,
 You should be able to do better than this, with your blood lines.
 But

(followed by a flood of uneducated bile which I don't want to repeat)

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Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...

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More Nazism disguised as 'scholarship'. "The Jews are chosen people
because they are party to this lie".

Why are nazis allowed on this list even when the guidelines tell them to
get lost?


William Shannon wrote:

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  ROMAN PISO FAMILY WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT, INVENTED "JESUS"
 "We Jews and Church Leaders have known since the beginning of
 Christianity
 that it was synthesized by the Roman Piso family for the purpose of
 maintaining control over the masses and to placate slaves. And, this
 is why
 we Jews are the "Chosen People" and why we have endured so much for so
 many
 years; we are witnesses to the lie. Our ancestors wrote what they
 could about
 this in our texts."

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Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...

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Dear Ros:

This is still suppose to be "America." Free speech, you know. In any
event, Mr. Shannon is incorrect. Historical evidence [extrabiblical,
secular] of a man named "Jesus" is overwhelming, along with His life
and death - even His RESURRECTION! The only real point of debate left
is the question of his divinity - which most Jews still deny. That
belief is strictly a personal one - between God and the individual.

Have you noticed, though, that the Liberals don't bother with FACTS
-their only defense seems to be sarcasm and hate? They remind me very
much of kids and bar drunks: they don't have enough education to
marshall a good argument, so they cuss LOUDLY. Volume, I guess, is
suppose to drown out or shut up their opponents. Oh, well. Hang in
there! You can beat them with logic and patience.They don't know how
to deal with it!

Love  God Bless!
The OUTLAWLADY

Ros Calverley wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 More Nazism disguised as 'scholarship'. "The Jews are chosen people
 because they are party to this lie".

 Why are nazis allowed on this list even when the guidelines tell them to
 get lost?

 William Shannon wrote:
 
   -Caveat Lector-
 
   ROMAN PISO FAMILY WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT, INVENTED "JESUS"
  "We Jews and Church Leaders have known since the beginning of
  Christianity
  that it was synthesized by the Roman Piso family for the purpose of
  maintaining control over the masses and to placate slaves. And, this
  is why
  we Jews are the "Chosen People" and why we have endured so much for so
  many
  years; we are witnesses to the lie. Our ancestors wrote what they
  could about
  this in our texts."

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Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...

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In a message dated 6/20/99 4:37:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Ros Calverley wrote:
 
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  More Nazism disguised as 'scholarship'. "The Jews are chosen people
  because they are party to this lie".
 
  Why are nazis allowed on this list even when the guidelines tell them to
  get lost? 


Hey Ros...A "Nazi"??? You clearly wouldn't know a Nazi if he buggered you in
the shower. I am no Nazi, only a citizen is search of truth...YOU are a
narrowminded namecalling fool!

Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...

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...And to the "Outlawlady"...I am not a Jew, I only pass on interesting
information from many sources.
I thought this was interesting.

Bill.

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[CTRL] Whitewashing the Bush Boys.

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From Mother Jones, March/April 1994
A
HREF="http://www.mojones.com/mother_jones/MA94/pizzo.html"http://www.mojones.
com/mother_jones/MA94/pizzo.html
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Whitewashing the Bush boys
by Stephen Pizzo
If Robert Fiske finds that Bill and Hillary have committed crimes in the
so-called Whitewater-gate matter, they should pay the price. But according
to
our Special Prosecute-o-Meter (to come), it would seem that the Clintons'
behavior is being measured differently from alleged banking misdeeds by the
Bush
family--Neil (Silverado Savings), $1 billion; Jeb (Broward Savings), $221.8
million; and George (BNL-Iraqgate), $5 billion. All proved a good deal more
costly than the up-to-$50 million involved in the Madison Savings-Whitewater
mess.

But while the national media--and specifically the New York Times--has
focused
its high-caliber lens on the Clintons, they apparently have forgiven and
forgotten the Bushes' banking practices.

Consider the remarkably kind November 30 Times front-page profile of Bush
boys
George Jr. (running for Texas governor) and Jeb (running for Florida
governor).
The story, by Times veteran Maureen Dowd, was an extraordinary triumph of
style
over substance.

Dowd kicked off the piece by describing a campaign stop in St. Petersburg,
Fla.,
where a woman directed a stream of idiotic "One World tool of the
Communist-Wall
Street international conspiracy" accusations at Jeb Bush (coyly described as
a
"slender six-foot-four"). Dowd jumped to Jeb's defense, labeling the woman's
accusations "wacky."

Fair enough. But in her 2,000-word article Dowd neglected to mention any of
the
other, far more serious allegations of wrongdoing that have been leveled at
the
Bush boys, leaving readers with the impression that these accusations are
also
just the "wacky" complaints of nuts out to harass the poor Bush family.
After
all, the "Newspaper of Record" has declared them so.

Had Dowd done her background work she would have found no shortage of
decidedly
unwacky Bush stories. Among others: a 1987 front-page article in the Wall
Street
Journal chronicling how Jeb helped a Cuban con man bilk Medicare out of
millions
of dollars; MoJo's Sept./Oct. 1992 cover story ("My Three Sons") on the Bush
sons' long list of dubious business transactions (including George Jr.'s
alleged
violation of security laws governing insider stock sales when he sold his
shares
of Harken Oil on the eve of the Gulf War); and a recent New Yorker article
detailing sleazy activities by Neil and number-four son Marvin Bush. The
Times
even ran an April 1992 story listing some of the Bushes' questionable deals
(perhaps all motivated by the "Bush creed of competition" that Dowd notes
approvingly).

When contacted by MoJo, Dowd wouldn't defend her story, saying, "Look, I'm
not
an investigative reporter, and clearly I wish now that I'd written a
different
piece. The Bush family never really liked me anyway." They may like her
better
now.

Short memories are also evident in Washington, D.C., where Bob Dole is
complaining that House Banking Chairman Henry Gonzalez, D-Tex., is dragging
his
feet on Whitewater, but "held weeks of hearings" when Neil Bush got swept up
in
the failure of Silverado, even though he "had no direct involvement."

Actually, Neil sat on Silverado's board of directors until the thrift was
declared functionally insolvent. That's about as "involved" as you can get.

Republicans are also upset over a Small Business Administration loan of
$300,000, taken out by Susan McDougal, that went into Whitewater Development
and
later into default. Guess they've forgotten that $2.35 million SBA loan Neil
received for his new company, Apex Energy, after bugging out of Silverado.
(He
walked away from this obligation, too.)

But there may be a silver lining: If our meter is used as a gauge, then
Gonzalez's demand for a special prosecutor in the BNL-Iraqgate affair should
get
serious consideration. Republicans ought to meditate on the old adage,
"Beware
what you wish for. You may just get it."

--Stephen Pizzo

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From www.federal.com


 Schippers: Impeachment Trial Rigged by Republican Leadership
 Justice Department obstructed inquiry

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 -- By MARVIN LEE
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 Speaking out after the failed impeachment of President Clinton,
 Republican counsel David Schippers says that the House Impeachment
 managers were betrayed by the Republican leadership in the Senate. In
 an interview with Human Events, he said:

 SCHIPPERS: I think the most important factor that the public should
 know that they don't know is that, before we ever appeared on the
 floor of the United States Senate, the House impeachment managers and
 I were told that there was no way we could win.

 QUESTION: Who told you that?

 SCHIPPERS: Six Republican senators. Members of the leadership.

 QUESTION: Members of the Republican leadership came over to you?

 SCHIPPERS: No, we were over there. We were discussing the kind of
 method by which we would try the case, and we, the managers and
 myself, were told, "Look we're just trying to keep you from
 embarrassing yourselves." I mean, this is after a vote of the House of
 Representatives impeaching the President.

 In that same meeting one of the senators -- and because I do not know
 which one it was, I will not name any of the senators -- turned to
 Henry Hyde and he said, "Henry, I don't care. No way are you going to
 get 67 votes." This was before anything had occurred on the floor of
 the Senate.

 And Henry Hyde said, "Well, you know Senator, we have other materials
 over there in that room that were furnished by Mr. Starr and I think
 that some of them may have to do with assaults or things like that.
 And the senator said, "Henry" -- this is a direct quote -- "I don't
 care if you have proof that he raped a woman, stood up and shot her
 dead, you're still not going to get 67 votes."

 At that point I raised my hand and I said, "Senator, are you telling
 me I just watched a hundred senators raise their right hand to God and
 swear to do equal and impartial justice and that they will ignore that
 oath too?" And the senator said, "You're darn right they are."

 From that moment on I knew that we were in a rigged ball game. In
 Chicago we'd refer to it as a First Ward election.

 David Schippers further complained about an obstruction of the
 impeachment effort by the Justice Department itself:

 SCHIPPERS: The FBI at every stage of the investigation -- at every
 stage of oversight, impeachment, or anything else -- gave us nothing
 but 100% full cooperation from the bureau. The problems always came
 between the bureau and us because interposed between us was the
 Justice Department, and they were not about to give up anything that
 might embarrass the President or the Administration.

 QUESTION: Your feeling is they were covering up for the President?

 SCHIPPERS: I feel they were covering up for the President.




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 Sovereignty Matters Oliver NorthJune 18, 1999

 WASHINGTON -- Tony Blair, Bill Clinton's new best buddy, was shocked.
 The June European Parliamentary elections seem to have rejected the
 vaunted "Third Way" globalists in the Blair government. The
 conservative Tories overwhelmed Blair's hand-picked Labor Party
 liberals by a margin of 36 percent to 28 percent. This victory is all
 the more significant when you consider that the Labor Party has
 dominated the political landscape of Great Britain since it came to
 power in April 1997. In fact, as Brits went to the polls this month,
 Tony Blair's approval ratings had never been higher, thanks to his
 "leadership" in NATO's Balkan Blunder. But Blair's personal popularity
 wasn't enough to save the day when it came to standing up for the
 Union Jack. For the first time since Margaret Thatcher sent the fleet
 to win back the Falkland Islands in 1981, British sovereignty is a
 major issue in British politics.

 This conservative resurgence is based on the simple premise that
 national identity, autonomy and independence are more important than
 the New World Order policies Tony Blair has been espousing since he
 and his liberal Laborites came to power. Whether this sea change in
 British politics will affect their next elections or ours remains to
 be seen. "Third Way" proponents poo-poo the results as nothing more
 than a minor wrinkle in the political fabric. They note that this was
 nothing but an election for delegates to the European Parliament --
 the body theoretically charged with administering the European Union.
 While the liberals have been quick to blame their dismal showing in
 the parliamentary elections on Tory leader William Hague's
 "Euro-bashing," the real issue was whether Britain would retain its
 own identity and sovereignty, or whether Brits would wake up one
 morning in a "Europe First" society. As Hague bluntly put it when
 discussing Britain's ties to the rest of Europe, "In Europe -- but not
 run by Europe."

 What Blair's apologists do not want to acknowledge is that many Brits
 are coming to see this conglomeration of Eurocrats as an entity whose
 activities and interests are hostile to the people of the British
 Isles. Among the chief goals of the European Union is the
 establishment of a common currency, the Euro, which would replace the
 currencies of all of the European Union member states. Unfortunately
 for Tony Blair and his globalist allies, a majority of Brits don't
 seem ready to surrender the British Pound.

 Why? Because when Great Britain abandons the Pound it gives up a
 significant measure of their national identity. The British people
 have yet to become convinced that handing over their sovereignty to a
 group of continental bureaucrats best known for petty wrangling, gross
 incompetence, and rampant corruption is really in their best
 interests. The choice the Brits face is tantamount to Bill Clinton
 telling Americans that George Washington was being replaced on the
 dollar bill by Kofi Annan.

 In the U.S., talk of a Continental Currency for the Americas has been
 forestalled by the early start of the year 2000 presidential election
 campaigns. Advocates for such a measure in the Clinton Administration
 have been told to pipe down until after the race is run -- because
 their internal polls show that most American's find the idea
 deplorable. But similar threats do indeed lurk on our own horizons,
 and if Washington's globalists have their way, Americans will indeed
 face the choice between Mr. Clinton's vision of a "New World Village"
 or a reassertion of our own national sovereignty. One election does
 not make a trend.

 The recent balloting for a Euro Parliament may or may not portend the
 kind of dramatic change in political fortunes that Margaret Thatcher's
 election foretold when she and her Conservative majority came to power
 in 1979. Thatcher's rise to power was indeed the beginning of a
 conservative movement throughout many Western nations. But for more
 than six years now, Bill Clinton and his fellow "internationalist
 elites" have been telling us that their "Third Way" is the way of the
 future. They have told us that "globalism" is better than nationalism,
 that "constructive engagement" is more important than national
 security, and that international cooperation outweighs America's
 sovereignty. To the Clintons, Blairs and the rest of the globalist
 gurus haunting Europe, borders don't matter. But to the rest of us,
 they do.

 In repudiating Mr. Blair, the British people have demonstrated that
 their tolerance for this hogwash has limits. When the day comes that
 Americans find themselves facing a choice similar to that of the Brits
 this month, hopefully they will recognize the importance of our own
 national identity -- and realize that "sovereignty" isn't such a bad
 word afterall.

 COPYRIGHT 1999 CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.

 Oliver North is a former 

Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...

[Anonymous]

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Dear Bill,

So do I. I did not call YOU a "Jew." I have no idea what you are. I
was writing to a critic of yours. Is being called a "jew" worse than
being called a "Nazi"??? I hadn't heard that before, except in
articles about Nazi Germany?

I am simply commenting that the Jews do not recognize Jesus' divinity
[except for Christian Jews]. As I said, each individual is free to
decide the question of Jesus' divinity for himself. My point is
wherever the original comment came from about Jesus' "invention," that
is not historically accurate. There is too much HARD evidence that He
was REAL. I hope you understood better this time. If you wanted to
take offence at something, it should have been the comment about
"Liberals!"

Nevertheless, as always...

Love  Godspeed!
The OUTLAWLADY



William Shannon wrote:

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 ...And to the "Outlawlady"...I am not a Jew, I only pass on interesting
 information from many sources.
 I thought this was interesting.

 Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...

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Well Outlawlady..."liberal" is only a dirty word to those panty-waist fairies
that let it upset them, I don't care what you call
me...humanist/socialist/realist works too!
No, I didn't mean to imply that Jew and Nazi are equal...that's an error in
translation.

Bill.

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[CTRL] world's easiest test

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  Here is the world's easiest test. You should be able to get 100% on
  this one.

  1. How long did the hundred year war last?

  2. Which country makes Panama hats?

  3. From what animal do we get catgut?

  4. In what month do Russians celebrate the October Revolution?

  5. What is Camel's hair brush made from?

  6. The Canary Islands in the Pacific are named after what animal?

  7. What was King George VI's first name?

  8. What color is a Purple Finch?

  9. Where are Chinese Gooseberries from?

  10. How long did the Thirty Years War last?

  ---
  Ready for the answers?

  1. 116 years, from 1337 to 1453.

  2. Ecuador.

  3. From sheep and horses.

  4. November. The Russian calendar was 13 days behind ours.

  5. Squirrel fur.

  6. The Latin name was Insularia Canaria -- Island of the Dogs.

  7. Albert. In 1936 he respected the wish of Queen Victoria that no
  future king should ever be called Albert.

  8. Distinctively crimson.

  9. New Zealand.

  10. 30 years of course. 1618 to 1648.

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[CTRL] Corporate and Banking Influence

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http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/politics/bankers.html





A Study of Corporate
and Banking Influence
By Don Allen





Chart 1 - Published 1976

Chart 1 reveals the linear connection between the Rothschilds and the Bank
of England, and the London banking houses which ultimately control the
Federal Reserve Banks through their stockholdings of bank stock and their
subsidiary firms in New York. The two principal Rothschild representatives
in New York, J. P. Morgan Co., and Kuhn,Loeb  Co. were the firms which set
up the Jekyll Island Conference at which the Federal Reserve Act was
drafted, who directed the subsequent successful campaign to have the plan
enacted into law by Congress, and who purchased the controlling amounts of
stock in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in 1914. These firms had their
principal officers appointed to the Federal Reserve Board of Governors and
the Federal Advisory Council in 1914. In 1914 a few families (blood or
business related) owning controlling stock in existing banks (such as in New
York City) caused those banks to purchase controlling shares in the Federal
Reserve regional banks. Examination of the charts and text in the House
Banking Committee Staff Report of August, 1976 and the current stockholders
list of the 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks show this same family control.



N.M. Rothschild , London - Bank of England
 __
| |
| J. Henry Schroder
| Banking |Corp.
| |
  Brown, Shipley - Morgan Grenfell - Lazard - |
Company Company   Brothers  |
|   |  |  |
|---|  |  |
|   ||  |  |  |
 Alex Brown - Brown Bros. - Lord Mantagu - Morgan et Cie -- Lazard ---|
  Son  |  Harriman   Norman |Paris  Bros |
|   |/  |N.Y. |
|   |   |   |  |  |
|Governor, Bank | J.P. Morgan Co -- Lazard ---|
|of England/  N.Y. Morgan   Freres|
|1924-1938/   Guaranty Co.  Paris |
|/Morgan Stanley Co.  |  /
|   /   | \Schroder Bank
|  /|   Hamburg/Berlin
| /  Drexel  Company /
|/   Philadelphia/
|   /   /
|  /   Lord Airlie
| /   /
|/ M. M. Warburg  Chmn J. Henry Schroder
||  Hamburg - marr. Virginia F. Ryan
|| |  grand-daughter of Otto
|| |   Kahn of Kuhn Loeb Co.
|| |
|| |
Lehman Brothers N.Y -- Kuhn Loeb Co. N. Y.
|| --
||   |  |
||   |  |
Lehman Brothers - Mont. Alabama   Solomon Loeb   Abraham Kuhn
|| __|__|_
Lehman-Stern, New Orleans  Jacob Schiff/Theresa Loeb  Nina Loeb/Paul Warburg
-|   |  |
 |   | Mortimer SchiffJames Paul Warburg
_|___/   |
||  |   ||
Mayer Lehman | Emmanuel Lehman\
||  |  \
Herbert Lehman Irving Lehman\
||  |\
Arthur Lehman \Phillip Lehman John Schiff/Edith Brevoort Baker
  / | Present Chairman Lehman Bros
 /  Robert Owen LehmanKuhn Loeb - Granddaughter of
/   | George F. Baker
   |   /   |
   |  /|
   | /   Lehman Bros 

[CTRL] ATTN: Vietnam Vets

[Anonymous]

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FROM:  911 Airlift Wing/DPMY,  Pittsburgh Intl. Aprt, 2475 Defense Ave,
Coraopolis PA  15108-4403(412) 474-8559 M-F, 0730-1530 EDT)  The
following item was extracted from this newsletter and is passed on to you who
served in Vietnam...If you know of other VN vets, please pass to them as
well

NOTICE TO ALL VIETNAM VETS AND FAMILIES:  If a military member served
any place in Vietnam and contracts prostate cancer, that (all forms) prostate
cancer is now considered service-connected.  If you have had prostate cancer,
you are entitled to a service-connected disability.  All claims should be
filed at your nearest VA Office.  Widows and wives, if your spouse died or
dies from prostate cancer, you are entitled to DIC (Dependency and Indemnity
Compensation) from the VA.

Another item referred to DoD Mail Order Pharmacy Benefits available for
retirees and dependents under age 65 is available at a cost of $8.00 for a 90
day supply for each prescription.  Call 800-903-4680, Merck-Medco for further
information   (I know this works...we use it)  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...

[Anonymous]

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Ha!Ha!Ha! PERFECT, Eagle!

Keep soaring, Friend, but be careful around Air Force I. I notice
he's got a lot of KILLS painted on his nose!

Love  Godspeed!
The OUTLAWLADY

Eagle 1 wrote:

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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Have you noticed, though, that the Liberals don't bother with FACTS
 -their only defense seems to be sarcasm and hate? They remind me very
 much of kids and bar drunks: they don't have enough education to
 marshall a good argument, so they cuss LOUDLY

 I've certainly noticed it, Outlawlady!
 I've also noticed that they like to side track and nit-pick an immaterial
 item
 of any discussion, getting everyone off the original subject matter;
 subverting
 the truth and drawing in immaterial to the issue facts with falsehoods.
 Their
 arguments are shallow at best.  PROOF in the form of truth on the original
 subject is rarely given,  and marks them for what they are.  It doesn't take
 a rocket scientist to see through that kind of confusion...
 wait...  I may have to withdraw the bit that it doesn't take a rocket
 scientist
 to see through ...  come to think of it,
 Anymore it just might take a very educated person to
 see through their smoke and mirrors.  Perhaps "It takes a President" to show
 us
 what things have come to...  pure confusion in high places.

 eagle 1

 - Original Message -
 From: M Shrum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, June 20, 1999 4:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...

  -Caveat Lector-
 
  Dear Ros:
 
  This is still suppose to be "America." Free speech, you know. In
 any
  event, Mr. Shannon is incorrect. Historical evidence [extrabiblical,
  secular] of a man named "Jesus" is overwhelming, along with His life
  and death - even His RESURRECTION! The only real point of debate left
  is the question of his divinity - which most Jews still deny. That
  belief is strictly a personal one - between God and the individual.
 
  Have you noticed, though, that the Liberals don't bother with
 FACTS
  -their only defense seems to be sarcasm and hate? They remind me very
  much of kids and bar drunks: they don't have enough education to
  marshall a good argument, so they cuss LOUDLY. Volume, I guess, is
  suppose to drown out or shut up their opponents. Oh, well. Hang in
  there! You can beat them with logic and patience.They don't know how
  to deal with it!
 
  Love  God Bless!
  The OUTLAWLADY
 
  Ros Calverley wrote:
  
-Caveat Lector-
  
   More Nazism disguised as 'scholarship'. "The Jews are chosen people
   because they are party to this lie".
  
   Why are nazis allowed on this list even when the guidelines tell them to
   get lost?
  
   William Shannon wrote:
   
 -Caveat Lector-
   
 ROMAN PISO FAMILY WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT, INVENTED "JESUS"
"We Jews and Church Leaders have known since the beginning of
Christianity
that it was synthesized by the Roman Piso family for the purpose of
maintaining control over the masses and to placate slaves. And, this
is why
we Jews are the "Chosen People" and why we have endured so much for so
many
years; we are witnesses to the lie. Our ancestors wrote what they
could about
this in our texts."
  
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[CTRL] A Visitor from the Past....

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  A Visitor from the Past

I had a dream the other night, I didn't understand. A figure walking through
the mist, with flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty, as he
stood there by the bed, He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low,
he said:

"We fought a revolution, to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution, as
a shield from tyranny, For future generations, this legacy we gave, In this,
the land of the free and the home of the brave."

"The freedom we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants
labored endlessly, while your parents were asleep. Your freedom gone, your
courage lost, you're no more than a slave, In this, the land of the free and
the home of the brave."

"You buy permits to travel, and permits to own a gun, Permits to start a
business, or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you
pay a yearly rent, Although you have no voice in choosing how the money's
spent."

"Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate. Your Christian
values can't be taught, according to the state. You read about the current
news, in a regulated press. You pay a tax you do not owe, to please the
I.R.S."

"Your money is no longer made of silver or of gold. You trade your wealth for
paper, so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our
nation turn from God in shame, You've taken Satan's number, as you've traded
in your name."

"You've given government control to those who do you harm, So they can
padlock churches, and steal the family farm, And keep the country deep in
debt, put men of God in jail, Harass your fellow countrymen, while corrupted
courts prevail."

"Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oath they've sworn. Your
daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders ship
artillery and guns to foreign shores, And send your sons to slaughter,
fighting other people's wars."

"Can you regain freedom for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the
courage or the faith to stand with pride? Are there no more values for which
you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a
slave?"

"Sons of the Republic, arise and take a stand! Defend the Constitution, the
Supreme Law of the Land! Preserve our great republic and each God-given
right, And pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright!"

As I awoke he vanished, in the mist from which he came. His words were true,
we are not free. We have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample
each God-given right, We only watch and tremble, too afraid to stand and
fight.

If he stood by your bedside, in a dream while you're asleep, And wondered
what remains of our rights he fought to keep, What would be your answer, if
he called out from the grave? Is this still the Land of the Free and the Home
of the Brave?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better
than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not
your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May
your chain be set lightly upon you and may posterity forget ye were our
countrymen."

Samuel Adams - American Patriot

I heard this one many times over the shortwave radio before the program.

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Re: [CTRL] History Quiz- The Konformist.

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A,B,C,  D. What did I win?

The OUTLAWLADY

William Shannon wrote:

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 History Quiz
 Leisa Mayes

 This test consists of one (1) multiple-choice question.

 Here's a list of the countries that the U.S. has bombed since the end of
 World War II, compiled by historian William Blum:

 China 1945-46

 Korea 1950-53

 China 1950-53

 Guatemala 1954

 Indonesia 1958

 Cuba 1959-60

 Guatemala 1960

 Congo 1964

 Peru 1965

 Laos 1964-73

 Vietnam 1961-73

 Cambodia 1969-70

 Guatemala 1967-69

 Grenada 1983

 Libya 1986

 El Salvador 1980s

 Nicaragua 1980s

 Panama 1989

 Iraq 1991-99

 Sudan 1998

 Afghanistan 1998

 Yugoslavia 1999

 In how many of these instances did a democratic government, respectful of
 human rights, occur as a direct result? Choose one of the following:

 (a) 0

 (b) zero

 (c) none

 (d) not one

 (e) a whole number between -1 and +1

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[CTRL] Jeff Rense Weekly E-News 6-18-99

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Jeff Rense Weekly E-News


 The Week Ahead
  6-20-99 thru 6-26-99

   Guests, Announcements, Week's Top Stories
   From sightings.com

   Jeff Rense E-News is distributed
   exclusively by Free Subscription.

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  * From Jeff's Desk *

What is the truth about US/NATO losses in the 'concluded' war
against Yugoslavia? The president says the US and NATO lost only
two aircraft...in over 30,000 SORTIES over a 2 and 1/2 month
campaign.  Meanwhile, rumors and reports continue to come in
painting a far different picture.

During his June 7 appearance on the program, Chicago-based
journalist Sherman Skolnick said he had received multiple,
reliable reports from sources in Europe that the USS Gonzales
had possibly been sunk and that the carrier Roosevelt had been
heavily damaged and knocked out of action.  This raised several
complaints about Mr. Skolnick's statements from listeners.  We
have been endeavoring to research these reports ever since. Here
are two emails just received that address these issues.  I am
deleting the names of the individuals who sent them for obvious
reasons.
__

   I compliment you on your show: it is enjoyable, entertaining,
   stimulating and informative. There is no comparable programme
   in the UK. So the only available means is the internet and
   broadcast.com.  Though this results in high telephone charges,
   all calls in the UK are charged, it does mean that we can
   listen at our convenience.

   On your recent shows featuring Mess. Sherman Skolnick and John
   Whitley referred to the sinking of the SS Gonzales - I hope
   that is the correct spelling. For your information this would
   appear to be not the case.  An email I received from a chap
   called xxx states (in reply to questions on Gonzales and
   Roosevelt):

   "I cannot say anything certain about the Roosevelt, but the
   USS Gonzales returned back to the US heavily damaged. I know
   this because I live nearby a Naval repair base where Gonzales
   is sitting right now."

   http://members.xoom.com/ggromozeka/aviation/.

   If you have not visited this site may I recommend you do so.
   NATO and Jugoslav losses are itemised.  According to official
   Jugoslav sources NATO has lost 128 aircraft, 14 helicopters,
   and 60 UAVs.  This may include B2-As which are mentioned
   elsewhere on this site: Spirit of Washington and Spirit of
   Missouri.

   I hope that this information is of use.

   Keep up the good work and I hope to have the opportunity to
   hear your live some time in the future here in the UK.
___

And then this email from another source:

   I have heard the story about USS Gonzales from a number of
   people in Yugoslavia and Italy. Information I have suggests
   that the destroyer was hit by one or more American-made AGM-65
   Maverick anti-armor missile, which is carried by Yugoslav IJ-22
   Orao ground strike aircraft. There was a secondary explosion(s)
   of the ammunition onboard the USS Gonzales, resulting in a
   massive damage to the ship's superstructure. If I am not
   mistaken, US 6th Fleet's press service announced that the
   Gonzales left for the US for repairs.

   About the USS Theodore Roosevelt carrier, I have the following
   information, which was circulated in Serbian communities in
   Australia:

   "The information about USS Theodore Roosevelt is quite true.
   The carrier was attacked by a group of Yugoslavian fighters and
   it was seriously damaged.  Most of the aircraft on the upper
   deck were destroyed and the carrier is out of operation since
   early May.  This was the main reason why American decided to
   relocate 24 of their F/A-18 ground strike aircraft to Hungary.
   Usually this type of aircraft operate from carriers like the
   Theodore Roosevelt.

   F/A-18s represent a unique and significant capability in NATO
   strike force and Americans could not just quit using them.
   There is no hard evidence to substantiate this information.
   One theory suggests that the carrier was attacked by a group of
   8 J-22s and that one of the aircraft crashed into the carrier
   in a Kamikaze attack, destroying much of the flight deck and
   causing an emergency shut-sown of the nuclear reactors, which
   left the carrier without propulsion."

   The situation with NATO's carriers is very interesting. French
   Foch carrier left for repairs, British Invincible carrier also
   left the action at the most intensive point of NATO's strikes.
   Nothing was heard from Roosevelt, 

[CTRL] Bert Walker's background and ties

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from:
http://www.tarpley.net/bush1.htm

William Rockefeller, treasurer of Standard Oil and brother of Standard
founder John D. Rockefeller, owned National City Bank (later "Citibank" )
together with Texas-based James Stillman. In return for their backing, E.H.
Harriman deposited in City Bank the vast receipts from his railroad lines.
When he issued tens of millions of dollars of "watered" (fraudulent)
railroad stock, Harriman sold most of the shares through the Kuhn Loeb
company.
***
In 1918, Samuel Bush became director of the Facilities Division of the War
Industries Board. Prescott's father reported to the Board's Chairman,
Bernard Baruch, and to Baruch's assistant, Wall Street private banker
Clarence Dillon.

Robert S. Lovett, President of Union Pacific Railroad, chief counsel to E.H.
Harriman and executor of his will, was in charge of national production and
purchase "priorities" for Baruch's board.

***
Captain Bush went to the 1919 reunion of his Yale class in New Haven,
Connecticut. Skull and Bones Patriarch Wallace Simmons, closely tied to the
arms manufacturers, offered Prescott Bush a job in his St. Louis railroad
equipment company. Bush took the offer and moved to St. Louis. ***

President Theodore Roosevelt had denounced Harriman's father for "cynicism
and deep-seated corruption" and called him an "undesirable citizen." [9]
For the still- smarting Averell to take his place among the makers and
breakers of nations, he needed a financial and intelligence-gathering
organization of his own. The man Harriman sought to create such an
institution for him was Bert Walker, a Missouri stock broker and corporate
wheeler- dealer.

George Herbert ( "Bert" ) Walker, for whom President George H.W. Bush was
named, did not immediately accept Harriman's proposal. Would Walker leave
his little St. Louis empire, to try his influence in New York and Europe?

Bert was the son of a dry goods wholesaler who had thrived on imports from
England.[10] The British connection had paid for Walker summer houses in
Santa Barbara, California, and in Maine-- "Walker's Point" at Kennebunkport.
Bert Walker had been sent to England for his prep school and college
education.

By 1919 Bert Walker had strong ties to the Guaranty Trust Company in New
York and to the British-American banking house J.P. Morgan and Co. These
Wall Street concerns represented all the important owners of American
railroads: the Morgan partners and their associates or cousins in the
intermarried Rockefeller, Whitney, Harriman and Vanderbilt families.

Bert Walker was known as the midwest's premier deal-arranger, awarding the
investment capital of his international-banker contacts to the many
railroads, utilities and other midwestern industries of which he and his St.
Louis friends were executives or board members.

Walker's operations were always quiet, or mysterious, whether in local or
global affairs. He had long been the "power behind the throne" in the St.
Louis Democratic Party, along with his crony, former Missouri Governor David
R. Francis. Walker and Francis together had sufficient influence to select
the party's candidates.[11]

Back in 1904, Bert Walker, David Francis, Washington University President
Robert Brookings and their banker/broker circle had organized a world's fair
in St. Louis, the Louisiana Purchase Exposition. In line with the old
Southern Confederacy family backgrounds of many of these sponsors, the fair
featured a "Human Zoo" : live natives from backward jungle regions were
exhibited in special cages under the supervision of anthropologist William
J. McGee.

So Averell Harriman was a natural patron for Bert Walker. Bert shared
Averell's passion for horse breeding and horse racing, and easily
accommodated the Harriman family's related social philosophy. They believed
that the horses and racing stables they owned showed the way toward a sharp
upgrading of the human stock--just select and mate thoroughbreds, and spurn
or eliminate inferior animals.

The First World War had brought the little St. Louis oligarchy into the
Confederate-slaveowner-oriented administration of President Woodrow Wilson
and his advisors, Col. Edward House and Bernard Baruch.

Walker's friend Robert Brookings got into Bernard Baruch's War Industries
Board as director of national Price Fixing (sic). David R. Francis became
U.S. ambassador to Russia in 1916. As the Bolshevik Revolution broke out, we
find Bert Walker busy appointing people to Francis's staff in Petrograd.[12]

Walker's earliest activities in relation to the Soviet state are of
significant interest to historians, given the activist role he was to play
there together with Harriman. But Walker's life is as covert as the rest of
the Bush clan's, and the surviving public record is extremely thin.

The 1919 Versailles peace conference brought together British imperial
strategists and their American friends to make postwar global arrangements.
For his own intended international 

Re: [CTRL] Democrats blew it on Gun Control

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 Eagle 1 wrote:

 http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/171/metro/House_blew_it_on_gun_control+.shtml

 House blew it on gun control

Don't bet on it cowboy. This just makes us tougher. The NRA and it's
political
bribees are the best thing that ever happened to gun grabbers.

Joshua2

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[CTRL] Calif. Official Seeks Security Review At Nuke Labs

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Sunday June 20 5:36 PM ET
Calif. Official Seeks Security Review At Nuke Labs
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - University of California President Richard Atkinson
has ordered a review of newly tightened security measures at nuclear weapons
labs managed by the university, the Los Angeles Times reported Sunday.
The order comes amid mounting pressure in the federal government over
allegations of Chinese espionage at the Los Alamos National Laboratory,
which is managed by the university under a contract with the U.S. Department
of Energy.
Los Alamos, near Santa Fe, New Mexico, is where the atomic bomb was
developed and where many nuclear secrets are stored.
The university also manages the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory east
of San Francisco and the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, which does
some unclassified research. Although the government sets security policy at
the labs, university officials help enforce the rules.
In a directive announced Friday, Atkinson called on a panel of experts to
review the new security rules ``to make sure the university is doing
everything possible to maintain the vital security interests of the United
States,'' The Times said.
The U.S. House of Representatives and President Clinton's own Foreign
Intelligence Advisory Board have suggested fining the university -- or other
lab managers -- for future security violations, the Times said.
The U.S. General Accounting Office also is advocating that the energy
department end the university's 50-year-old hold on running the labs when
its contract expires in 2002.
Congress has been in an uproar over allegations that China stole U.S.
secrets on seven nuclear warheads and the neutron bomb over the past 20
years. China has repeatedly denied it stole U.S. secrets.

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[CTRL] Russia Turns Over Documents On Kennedy

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Sunday June 20 2:44 PM ET
Russia Turns Over Documents On Kennedy
COLOGNE, Germany (Reuters) - Russia turned over documents about the
assassination of former President John F. Kennedy to the United States
Sunday, the White House said.
The documents, declassified after a Russian review of government, military
and private archives, could shed light on Kennedy's assassin Lee Harvey
Oswald, who lived in the former Soviet Union during the late 1950s and early
1960s.
Oswald shot Kennedy in Dallas, Texas on Nov. 22, 1963.
Russian President Boris Yeltsin gave the documents to President Clinton as
they met in Cologne, Germany for talks to repair relations badly frayed by
the Kosovo war.
U.S. National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, describing the documents as ``a
very interesting gift,'' said they were the result of an extensive search of
Russian archives ordered by Yeltsin years ago.
``He had asked all of the agencies of the Russian government to declassify
any and all material related to President Kennedy, and President Kennedy's
assassination, both military and civilian archives as well as private
archives,'' Berger told reporters after the meeting.
Berger, speaking 20 minutes after the meeting ended, said he had not had
time to review them but was certain they would ultimately be released to the
public.
``I'm sure that those documents will be reviewed carefully and all
interesting elements will be made public,'' he said.


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[CTRL] DOE Related URL's

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Thought you all might enjoy these.

http://www.er.doe.gov/

http://www.llnl.gov/

http://www.lanl.gov/external/index.html

http://www.ca.sandia.gov/
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Re: [CTRL] Democrats blew it on Gun Control

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In a message dated 99-06-20 20:27:08 EDT, you write:

 Don't bet on it cowboy. This just makes us tougher. The NRA and it's
 political
 bribees are the best thing that ever happened to gun grabbers.
  

It appears to me that the NRA has been infiltrated by the globalist elites.
If they were really against gun controls they would not make deals with the
other side.  They make a few speeches to let the members think they are
pro-gun, but actions speak louder than words to those who see.

The question now is what disaster are they going to perpetrate on
unsuspecting citizens next.  Obviously the shootings in Columbine were the
work of the elites, just another cover-up by the media.  They will finally
take guns from people, but they will never get them all, the criminals will
always have them.  Laws are followed by the law abiding citizenry, not the
criminals.

Best Regards,
Bob Stokes

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Re: [CTRL] Christian Identity undergoes a revival inarea,experts say

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 C'mon, the list guidelines say 'nazis need not apply'.


Oh, C'mon.  John Lee is not a Nazi.   What is it that
you people have against reading anything that might
put jews in a bad light?  What is it that you are afraid of?
This is a conspiracy list and jews are also part of conspiracies.

Maybe the Declaration should read:Non-jews need
not apply.

Now stop your whining and let us read what we want
there's a delete key, use it if you feel offended.

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Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...

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In a message dated 6/20/99 6:24:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I am simply commenting that the Jews do not recognize Jesus' divinity
  [except for Christian Jews]. As I said, each individual is free to
  decide the question of Jesus' divinity for himself. My point is
  wherever the original comment came from about Jesus' "invention," that
  is not historically accurate. There is too much HARD evidence that He
  was REAL. I hope you understood better this time. If you wanted to
  take offence at something, it should have been the comment about
  "Liberals!"

  Nevertheless, as always...

  Love  Godspeed!
  The OUTLAWLADY



The facts are that there is little "hard" evidence that a person named Jesus
ever lived.  There may be some historical evidence, which is subjective and
unproveable, that he lived, but there is none to support the contention that
he was THE son of God or that he rose from the dead.  The only source for
these ideas is in the Bible which as anyone would readily admit is biased.
NOW, having said that, you are absolutely correct in observing that this
issue of deity and godhood is one which is a matter of faith and belief which
is between the individual and God.  That is unassailable in any relevant way.
 BTW I don't NECESSARILY discount that Jesus lived, or that he died or even
that he rose from the dead, BUT we must all face the facts that there is
scant "hard" evidence to support such conjectures.  The story outlined, that
you are commenting about has as much historical "truth" as anything in the
New Testament, so who is to say which history is true and which is not?  We
must always be willing to see every option and accept when our position is
weak, in a concrete way.  THUS, for someone to believe that Jesus is Lord and
the Son of God, and have faith in him is all well and good, but it cannot be
based upon the historical FACT of the New Testament which is just a bunch of
stories (however true they may be is something that we cannot PROVE).
Therefore issues of faith and belief are not the issue since you, and I, and
anyone else is free to believe anything they want no matter if it is
irrational, or even stupid, or foolhardy.  The issue is that stating that
ones position relies upon proven historical FACT, verifiable proof, from and
unbiased source and documentable in several ways, when in fact that "proof"
is not so proven as one makes out, is not an intellectually hones way to
proceed.
Just MO.
Teo1000

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Re: [CTRL] Christian Identity undergoes a revival inarea,experts say

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day,
I've asked for a definition of NAZI and every one except you wants to
side step the issue.
NAZI, the word, is a catch all phrase that is applied to anyone  that
doesn't fall and worship at the feet of Jews; anyone that has studies
Hitler's Germany and doesn't condemn the man for wanting the money changes
out of Germany. In fact, when Germany issued its own currency in 1933, and
went off the international gold standard that was, and is, controlled by
international Jewish banking, The World Jewish Congress declared WAR on
Germany.
No, I am not a Nazi, which was another political party. I have no
political affiliation- but if I did, it would be Libertarian. Not that I
agree with all they stand for, but their object is not to meld America into
a NWO. I can't say the same for any other party in America.
Also, I have no religion; I feel all religions are used as a controlling
power to enslave the human species.
There is more that needs to be said, but so far, you're the only one
that knows or cares.
John Lee

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Christian Identity undergoes a revival inarea,experts
say


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  C'mon, the list guidelines say 'nazis need not apply'.


 Oh, C'mon.  John Lee is not a Nazi.   What is it that
 you people have against reading anything that might
 put jews in a bad light?  What is it that you are afraid of?
 This is a conspiracy list and jews are also part of conspiracies.

 Maybe the Declaration should read:Non-jews need
 not apply.

 Now stop your whining and let us read what we want
 there's a delete key, use it if you feel offended.

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Re: [CTRL] Ollie on Sovereignty

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 In repudiating Mr. Blair, the British people have demonstrated that
 their tolerance for this hogwash has limits. When the day comes that
 Americans find themselves facing a choice similar to that of the Brits
 this month, hopefully they will recognize the importance of our own
 national identity -- and realize that "sovereignty" isn't such a bad
 word afterall.

I agree with that - however, the Euro-Election turnout in UK as well as
the rest of Europe was very very low.
Grassroots UK don't seem to think that Europe has any relevance, even though
laws made in the UK by democracy can be completely overturned by
Brussels.[and are]
The old divide and rule sovereignty stuff can be seen at work in Scotland
now - where an extra layer of beaurocrats have been foisted on the taxpayer.
Our reward has been to see the newest layer of parasites impose new and
outrageous taxes on the motorist - 'pay to drive' in Scotland.
In the guise of democracy, the hideous social engineering of scotland
continues
with further oppression from the 'opportunists' of Blairs labour.
Grassroots know that Tory/Conservative in UK would have done exactly the same.
In the UK - all the most unpopular social experiments/taxes etc get introduced
in Scotland first [a fact which negates the Treaty of Union of the UK].
However, I have high hopes for Scotland and the new Scottish parliament ...
The new Scottish Parliament at Holyrood is being built directly on top of
an ancient underground labyrinth that permeates the entire city.
Hollow halls in Arthurs Seat, Calton Hill, Faeries, ETs having a city
somewhere under Holyrood - and no doubt popping onto the Parliament canteen
for lunch  or perhaps ... :) secret political cabals take the lift on
down to the sub basement ... where all the lizards are etc etc etc
A new King and Sovereign will soon make Scotland into something a bit
different.
Already the Robert Burns, NWO anthem has replaced Flower of Scotland as
favoured song at the Parliament occassions ... very Brotherhood and worthwhile
lyrics by Burns  its comin yet for a' that,
 that man to man the world o'er
 shall Lizards be ... for a' that :)

Andrew Hennessey



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[CTRL] Polk County, Iowa POLL: Keyes 34, GW 18

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-Original Message-
From: Keyes 2000 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 1999 7:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Keyes 2000 Alerts!!


Alert!!

Big Win for Ambassador Alan Keyes in Polk County, Iowa, Straw Poll
Keyes’ Tally Almost Doubles Bush’s Numbers

Ambassador Alan Keyes was the big winner in the Polk County
Republican Party Presidential Straw Poll.  Polk County is the
most highly-populated county in Iowa and encompasses the capital city
of Des Moines.  Following a family BBQ picnic at the Living History
Farms on Saturday evening, June 19th, a total of 344 votes were cast
by ticket holders.  Results are as follows:

Keyes   34%
Bush18%
Alexander   17%
Dole 8%
Bauer8%
Kasich   6%
Smith5%
Forbes   3%
Quayle   2%
Buchanan 1%
McCain   0%


Ron Granzow, Iowa Keyes 2000 Chairman, was heard telling
reporters, “This is an individual of integrity in an effort of
integrity.  Not a single ticket was given away by the Keyes Committee
to entice voters.  Every single vote was cast by someone who had
bought a ticket himself or herself.”

ALERT!!

Alan Keyes will be on "The Paula Zahn Show" on the Fox News Channel
this Tuesday, June 22, 1999, in the 2:00-2:30 P.M. (EDT) segment to
discuss his possible presidential bid.
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[CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Sunday, June 20, 1999

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from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS
subject: AANEWS for June 20, 1999

 A M E R I C A N   A T H E I S T S
   #594 ~~ 6/20/99
http://www.atheists.org
   ftp.atheists.org/pub/atheists/
 http://www.americanatheist.org

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   A Service of AMERICAN ATHEISTS
   "Leading The Way For Atheist Civil Rights
And The Separation Of State and Church"
--

   In This Issue...
   * RLPA hearing slated in House, Senate -- sign the letter to the SJC!
   * Columbine fallout -- House votes for religious memorials
   * Picket the Promise Keepers next Saturday, Detroit
   * Falwell publication warns of "demonic" Lilith Fair concerts
   * Public aid to religious schools -- what's your opinion?
   * Resources
   * About this list...

   HOUSE, SENATE PREPARE FOR ACTION ON FEDERAL RLPA:
AMERICAN ATHEISTS TO PRESENT LETTERS TO S.J.C.

Possible ction is expected this week on the Religious Liberty
Protection Act (RLPA), a controversial piece of federal legislation
that would require government to use a "compelling interest/least
restrictive means" test when dealing with faith-based groups and
practices.  Modeled on the older Religious Freedom Restoration Act, or
RFRA, the RLPA enjoys broad support throughout America's religious
community; there is a growing coalition of other organizations,
though, including American Atheists, which have expressed concerns the
measure could on everything from civil rights and state-church
separation to the application of zoning, environment and land-use
regulations.

The House Judiciary Committee plans a markup on its version of RLPA
around midweek; and at the other end of the hill, the Senate Judiciary
Committee may hold another "quickie hearing" which critics say will
likely again be stacked to hear testimony mostly from groups and
others supporting the proposed act.  At earlier hearings, panels were
usually heavily weighted with spokespersons who defended the need for
the Religious Liberty Protection Act, leading critics of the measure
to charge that congress was promoting a "stealth agenda" to smuggle
the issue past public scrutiny.

American Atheists President Ellen Johnson reported that she will be in
Washington, D.C.  this week for any RLPA-related hearings, and intends
to present the Senate Judiciary Committee with letters from Atheists
and other separationists who are opposed to the act.  "We've mailed
out thousands of letters to our members and supporters in recent
weeks, and we're asking them to let both the House and Senate hear
from them on this important First Amendment issue."  She added that a
recent mailing, along with a new "Let The SJC Hear From You!"
campaign on the internet, will hopefully generate a large quantity of
letters which Johnson will personally present to the Senate Judiciary
Committee."

Dr.  Marci Hamilton, a constitutional scholar and lead attorney in the
historic U.S.  Supreme Court case that struck down the old Religious
Freedom Restoration Act, said that judiciary committees in both the
House and Senate were "stacking the panels" with biased witnesses, and
often gave little advance notice when holding hearings.  "They want
RLPA to be a 'done deal,'" Hamilton told AANEWS.  "They don't even
have to announce the fact that they are having public hearings until
48-hours before they actually take place."  Hamilton noted that she is
often asked to testify "as the token witness opposing the Religious
Liberty Protection Act."

Last week's meeting in the House Judiciary Committee saw a round of
proposed amendments to weaken the RLPA fall short.  Rep.  Jerrold
Nadler suggested that RLPA include language so that it could not be
used to trump the nation's anti-discrimination laws.  That attempt
failed, which means that religious groups or individuals could cite
religion as a basis for denying housing, employment or other services
to gays or anyone else, all on religious-doctrinal grounds.  Some
organizations, such as the American Civil Liberties Union, have
reexamined their support for the RLPA; the Union recently announced
that it could not support the measure unless it was modified to not
supersede anti-discrimination ordinances.  In several states where
RLPA/RFRA legislation has been introduced, ACLU has also opposed moves
to exempt prison and jail inmates from coverage of the act.

Those wishing to participate in the "LET THE SJC HEAR FROM YOU!"
campaign and sign the Letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee can go
to http://www.atheists.org/action/rlpa.html for further information.
If letters are not submitted this week due to a cancellation in the
Committee schedule, they will be presented by Ms. Johnson at another
appropriate time.

   **

COLUMBINE FALLOUT: GOVERNMENT TO AID RELIGIOUS MONUMENT?  A Summit On
Violence Turns Into A Pulpit, As Groups Divide Over Issues...

[CTRL] Publius Lentulus on Yhshua

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Jesus description in a Roman letter from the Vatican Library.

I'm quoting from the book They Walked with Jesus by Dolores Cannon.
I'm not putting quotation marks in, so it is taken directly from
the book. Here it is.

In Jesus and the Essenes I quoted from The Archko Volume, a little-
known book written by Drs McIntoch and Twyman, printed in 1887.
These men had discovered written reports in the Vatican Library
dealing with Christ. One of these contained a description of Jesus
that remarkably coincides with the descriptions given by the
various subjects. After Jesus and the Essenes was printed I came
across another letter which contained a similar description.This
startling document was also discovered in the Vatican Library. It
was supposedly written to the Roman Senate at the time of Christ by
Publius Lentulus, then Roman proconsul in Judaea, a predecessor and
friend of Pontius Pilate. The following is his description of
Jesus.

This is a man of noble and well-proportioned stature, with a face
full of kindness and firmness, so that the beholders both love him
and fear him. His hair is the colour of wine (probably tawny) and
golden at the root- straight and without lustre- but from the level
of the ears curling and glossy, and divided down the centre after
the fashion of the Nazarenes.
 His forehead is even and smooth. His face without blemish and
enhanced by a tempered bloom; his countenance ingenuous and kind;
his beard full, of the same colour as his hair, and forked in form;
his eyes blue and extremely brilliant.
 In reproof and rebuke he is formidable; in exhortation and
teaching gentle and amiable of tongue. None have seen him to laugh,
but many, of the contrary, to weep. His person is tall; his hands
beautiful and straight. In speaking he is deliberate and grave and
little given to loquacity; in beauty surpassing most men.
http://www.interlog.com/~birkej/jesroman/jesuroma.htm

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Re: [CTRL] SKEPTICS Re: [[SC] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1]

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- Original Message -
From: gene johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Ric Carter wrote:

  When the CIA fires up HAARP to take over humanity's
  minds, I'll bet some microserf has embedded a worm to directly
  stimulate cranial pleasure centers, leading to continuous intense
  orgasms, pleasure that the plotters will miss out on.

 Could you fill in some of the notes about HAARP and mind take over
 for those of us who have seen the HAARP site but haven't seen the
 conductor's score as you may have.

You're asking hat I reveal secrets that could get me killed?  Ha.
If you search thru the CTRL, alt.conspiracy and UfoMind archives,
you'll find plenty on HAARP, and can put the pieces together in
ways that won't endanger me.  Have fun.  Watch your back.

 BTW--What a fine buzzbraining cyberzine you have wrought.

Ah, I see the psychoworm has taken hold.  You're mine now.  Heh.

  Ric "another un-indicted co-conspirator" Carter

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[CTRL] VALLEUS'S NOTES -- ACTA PILATI, OR PILATE'S REPORT TO CAESAR ON THE ARREST, AND CRUCIFIXION

[Anonymous]

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ARCHKO VOLUME

CHAPTER VIII.

VALLEUS'S NOTES -- ACTA PILATI, OR PILATE'S REPORT
TO CAESAR ON THE ARREST, AND CRUCIFIXION
OF JESUS.


VALLEUS PATERCULUS, a Roman historian, was nineteen years old when Jesus was
born. His works have been thought to be extinct. I know of but two
historians that make reference to his writings, Priscian and Tacitus, who
speak of him as a de-scendant of an equestrian family of Campania. From what
we gather from these writers, Valleus must have been a close friend of
Caesar, who raised him by degrees until he became one of the great men of
Rome, and for sixteen years commanded the army. He returned to Rome in the
year 31 and finished his work, which was called Historia Romamo. He held the
office of praeter when Augustus died, and while Vinceus was consul.
Valleus says that in Judea he met a man called Jesus of Nazareth, who was
one of the most re-markable characters he had ever seen; that he was more
afraid of Jesus than of a whole army, for he cured all manner of diseases
and raised the dead, and when he cursed the orchards or fruit-trees for
their barrenness, they instantly withered to their roots. After referring to
the wonderful works of Jesus, he says that, although Jesus had such power,
he did not use it to injure any one, but seemed always inclined to help the
poor. Valleus says the Jews were divided in their opinion of him, the poorer
class claiming him as their king and their deliverer from Roman authority,
and that if Jesus should raise an army and give it the power he could sweep
the world in a single day; but the rich Jews hated and cursed him behind his
back, and called him an Egyptian necromancer, though they were as afraid of
him as of death (Valleus Paterculus, B. 72, found in the Vatican at Rome).



PILATE'S REPORT.

"TO TIBERIUS CAESAR, EMPEROR OF ROME.
"Noble Sovereign, Greeting: The events of the last few days in my province
have been of such a char-acter that I will give the details in full as they
occurred, as I should not be surprised if, in the course of time, they may
change the destiny of our nation, for it seems of late that all the gods
have ceased to be propitious. I am almost ready to say, Cursed be the day
that I succeeded Vallerius Flaceus in the government of Judea; for since
then my life has been one of continual uneasiness and distress.
"On my arrival at Jerusalem I took possession of the praetorium, and ordered
a splendid feast to be prepared, to which I invited the tetrarch of Galilee,
with the high priest and his officers. At the ap-pointed hour no guests
appeared. This I considered an insult offered to my dignity, and to the
whole government which I represent. A few days after the high priest deigned
to pay me a visit. His de-portment was grave and deceitful. He pretended
that his religion forbade him and his attendants to sit at the table of the
Romans, and eat and offer liba-tions with them, but this was only a
sanctimonious seeming, for his very countenance betrayed his hypoc-risy.
Although I thought it expedient to accept his excuse, from that moment I was
convinced that the conquered had declared themselves the enemy of the
conquerors; and I would warn the Romans to beware of the high priests of
this coun-try. They would betray their own mother to gain office and a
luxurious living. It seems to me that, of conquered cities, Jerusalem is the
most difficult to govern. So turbulent are the people that I live in
momentary dread of an insurrection. I have not soldiers sufficient to
suppress it. I had only one centurion and a hundred men at my command. I
requested a reinforcement from the prefect of Syria, who informed me that he
had scarcely troops suffi-cient to defend his own province. An insatiate
thirst for conquest to extend our empire beyond the means of defending it, I
fear, will be the cause of the final overthrow of our whole government. I
lived secluded from the masses, for I did not know what those priests might
influence the rabble to do; yet I endeavored to ascertain, as far as I
could, the mind and standing of the people.
"Among the various rumors that came to my ears there was one in particular
that attracted my atten-tion. A young man, it was said, had appeared in
Galilee preaching with a noble unction a new law in the name of the God that
had sent him. At first I was apprehensive that his design was to stir up the
people against the Romans, but my fears were soon dispelled. Jesus of
Nazareth spoke rather as friend -of the Romans than of the Jews. One day in
passing by the place of Sibe, where there was a great concourse of people, I
observed in the midst of the group a young man who was leaning against a
tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told it was Jesus. This 1 could
easily have suspected, so great was the difference between him and those
listening to him. His golden - colored hair and beard gave to his appearance
a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about thirty years of age. Never have
I 

Re: [CTRL] How to be a Skeptic

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- Original Message -
From: Jim Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 1999 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: "How to be a Skeptic"

 What gets me about believers, whether it is belief in flying saucers
 or gods or anything unverifiable, is that the believers think that if
 they can sway you, and win you over to belief - then THAT will CAUSE
 the claim to BE true. That belief causes something to exist or happen.
 Cause and effect. Anybody else notice it?

 L Ron Hubbard said something like "What's true is what's true for you."
 and a famous wierdo in alt.astrology has claimed several times that
 "you make your own reality."
 So it seems that many newagers do believe that belief makes it true.

My guideline is, "Reality is whatever bites your ass.", i.e., if it
affects you, it's real.  But we must distinguish between real(physical)
and real(virtual), between the objective and the subjective, the stuff
that's 'real' to any observer and the stuff that's only 'real' inside
one's consciousness.  These are different data-types, as distinct as
alphanumeric and floating-point; and although we may use the same or
similar language when dealing with'em, such sloppiness leads to errors.
The physical realm intersects with the abstract realm in complex ways.

Garrett Hardin wrote about three types of 'truth' [cited by Donella H.
Meadows in an article in Whole Earth Review, Spring 1999, p.109]:


  * Always-True Truth: This truth remains true no matter what anyone
  thinks or says about it.  For example, burning fossil fuels creates
  carbon dioxide; the carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere
  has increased by more than 30 percent in the last century; global
  surface temperatures in 1998 were the warmest in recorded history.

  * Truth-by-Repetition Truth: This truth is more like to become true
  the more you say it.  I *can* run a marathon; every child wants a
  Furby for Christmas; the stock market is about to crash; the govern-
  ment can't do anything right; Social Security will go bankrupt. This
  kind of truth is the stock-in-trade of the public relations people
  and the politicians.  Say it often enough, however absurd it is, and
  you might be able to gin up enough shared belief to create it as
  reality.  (Unless is violates an Always-True Truth.)

  * Doubt-By-Repetition Truth: This truth may become less true the more
  you say it.  I'm about to sneeze; there will be a surprise attack on
  Baghdad tomorrow; the stock market is not overextended; I am not an
  alcoholic; the economy can grow forever.  These truths distract
  attention or reveal secrets or stoke up false confidence or divert
  action by denying and demoting the kind of thinking that can lead
  to problem solving.  They are often purposeful thought-stoppers.

  Always-True Truths deal with the physical realm; Truth-by-Repetition
  and Doubt-by-Repetition Truths deal with the information realm, where
  what we say can influence the beliefs and behaviors of others and
  ourselves -- these are slithery truths, to be used with great care.
  Confusing one type with another (for example, trying to make global
  warming go away by emphatically denying its existence) can be fatal.

  --Donella H. Meadows


But IMHO this analysis omits the pernicious Never-True Truth, which
can never be shown to be true no matter what anyone says about it, but
which people will believe anyway because they WANT to believe it.  Most
religious, NewAge, UFOlogical, paranormal etc thought is of this type.
Jesus is coming; my channeled entity has a message for you; the Space
Brothers are our friends; 100 monkeys are telepathic; Therapeutic
Touch heals; homeopathy heals; donkey urine heals.  Those espousing
these Truths seem usually to be selling something.  Funny 'bout that.

  Ric "everything is unlikely but things happen anyway" Carter

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Re: [CTRL] Christian Identity undergoes a revival inarea,experts say

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--
John Lee wrote:

 NAZI, the word, is a catch all phrase that is applied to anyone  that
 doesn't fall and worship at the feet of Jews; anyone that has studies
 Hitler's Germany and doesn't condemn the man for wanting the money changes
 out of Germany. In fact, when Germany issued its own currency in 1933, and
 went off the international gold standard that was, and is, controlled by
 international Jewish banking, The World Jewish Congress declared WAR on
 Germany.

Considering that FDR also took the US off the gold standard in 1933, this
assertion seems questionable to me. Could you provide some documentation for
this assertion? Also, all nations issue their own currency. What did Hitler
do differently in 1933 then other countries?

Howard Davis

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Re: [CTRL] [prj] FW: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...

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From: "Peter L. Sroufe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] [prj] FW: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of
Jesus...
Date: Sun, Jun 20, 1999, 10:32 PM




 Now, Noble Sovereign, these are the facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth and I
 have taken the time to write you in detail concerning these matters. I say
 that such a man who could convert water into win, change death into life,
 disease into health; calm the stormy seas, is not guilty of any criminal
 offense and as others have said, we must agree -- truly this is the Son of
 God!

 Your most obedient servant,
 Pontius Pilate


Yea, right. Pilate writes to Casaer telling him there is a man that is far
superior to him. Doesn't sound like good politics to me. Yet, the same guy
condemns him to death shortly afterwards. Sounds like a poor forgery to me.

Howard Davis

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[CTRL] Watch Swiss

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From NewAustralian


 Switzerland: Europe's gun centre
 where kids don't kill kids


 By Gerard Jackson
 No. 124,   21-27 June 1999

 The Littleton killings have once again brought into the spotlight
 America's alleged love affair with guns and its violent nature. Horror
 story after horror story is wheeled out to demonstrate this 'fact'.
 Statistic after statistic is faithfully recited to convince people
 that the horrors would go away if only guns were banned. According to
 this mantra, guns are the real evil, as if they were some kind of
 voodoo curse. Because of this malignant force, according to Cameron
 Forbes, American "teenagers plot to remedy slights by blowing away
 fellow students with Tec-9s" (Guns: why the US can't bite the bullet,
 The Australian 15/6). Ergo, remove the evil and the killings will
 cease.

 But is it really so? Are guns the real culprit? What the likes of
 Forbes never tell their readers is that America's crime rate, and in
 particular its murder rate, were much lower when access to guns was
 much easier. But let us go abroad to test the thesis that the root of
 the evil is easy access to guns. If this were so then Switzerland
 should be a war zone. In this country every male between aged 20 to 42
 is required by law to to keep firearms, including pistols, at home;
 every reserve keeps his assault rifle at home and every soldier take
 his rifle home. Moreover, once a soldier retires he is entitled to
 keep his weapon, whether it be a rifle or a pistol. Not only that, but
 ordinary citizens are even allowed to buy military assault rifles. In
 short, Mr Forbes, virtually every Swiss home is armed — and not with
 peashooters — thus giving the Swiss citizenry more firepower than its
 American counterpart.

 It was the Swiss' passion for guns only matched by their determination
 to keep their liberty that helped keep the Nazi war machine at bay.
 When the Swiss government thought a Nazi invasion was imminent it
 ordered every able bodied man to stand by his post and defend it to
 the last round. Their determination to defend their liberties plus
 their shooting skills and the sheer quantity of weapons at their
 disposal combined with the nature of the terrain persuaded the Nazis
 that an invasion of Switzerland was not worth the cost.

 While other countries have tennis courts, golf courses, football
 pitches aplenty the Swiss have shooting ranges. And Swiss shooters
 carry their guns in the open as freely as golfers carry their clubs.
 Shooting festivals and contests are a frequent and popular and
 children are encouraged to participate. Once again, what strikes
 visitors about these events is the casual way weapons are carried
 through the streets and on public transport. In restaurants and coffee
 shops tourists sometimes find themselves competing with guns for
 places to hang their coats. Naturally there is an ample supply of gun
 shops to service the country's love affair with shooting.

 Yet where is the crime wave? The school shootings? The nightly
 murders? A colleague kindly supplied me with the following facts: In
 1997 Switzerland recorded only 87 premeditated murders and 102 murder
 attempts. The interesting thing is that only 91 of these offences
 involved a gun, though out of a total of 2,498 robberies and attempted
 robberies 546 involved the use of guns. Of particular interest is that
 nearly 50 per cent of these offences were committed by foreigners.
 Compare Switzerland's murder rate of 1.2 per 100,000 with Britain's
 rate of 1.4 per 100,000. Their respective robbery rates are 36 per
 100,000 and 116 per 100,000 — and bear in mind foreigners committed
 nearly half of Switzerland's robberies. The contrast between the two
 countries is particularly striking when we consider that Britain's gun
 laws are draconian compared with Switzerland's.

 None of this is intended to promote gun ownership but only to
 demonstrate as facile, if not fatuous, the view held by the likes of
 Forbes that guns are the real problem in America. People who are
 determined to kill will do so, unfortunately. And if they are resolved
 to use guns as the means to commit murder then they will do that too.
 I cannot help but think that what are now called subcultures in
 America are largely the nihilistic product of more than 30 years of
 successful cultural warfare by liberalism against America's basic
 standards of decency. The kind of standards that so many Australian
 journalists (and American ones too) find so odious.

 Visit The Media Wall of Shame

 The New Australian


 The New Australian


 Guns and the public good:
 an open letter to Congress


 No. 123, 14-20 June 1999

 Editor: the following letter is from 287 economists, law-school
 professors and other academics to Congress, regarding gun-control
 legislation. (Not all of the names of the signatories appear here).
 The New Australian thinks it is important to make this kind of
 material available to Australians, 

[CTRL] Looking out

[Anonymous]

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From NewAustralian


 Looking Out

 Peter Zhang's
 Column

 Clinton
 and
 BeijingThe New Australian
 No. 124,   21-27 June 1999

 I keep getting emails from American readers pleading to know how
 deeply Clinton has damaged American national security. In truth, I
 cannot say much more than I have already but I shall once again repeat
 myself: American security has been shattered. Chinese officials have
 privately bragged about the extent of their penetration, their placing
 of agents, their successful use of bribery and blackmail. I have heard
 stories that I would never repeat, though I know them to be true,
 because many readers would consider them fantastic. But would they be
 any more fantastic than a president selling his country's secrets to a
 potential enemy? And yet this is exactly what Clinton has done. To
 gain some grasp of the danger in which Clinton may very well have put
 America one only needs to read the Cox Report.

 As for Bill Clinton, I personally believe he is capable of anything, a
 view shared by Chinese officials who also hold him in the greatest
 contempt. He is not only considered treacherous but unstable. A man
 completely incapable of seeing beyond tomorrow. This goes someway, in
 Chinese eyes, of understanding his motives. I pointed out in another
 article that Beijing has a profile of every member of Congress and the
 Senate. The interesting thing is that Clinton's file goes back, so I
 have been told, to his student days.

 This information is particularly interesting because it is clearly
 impossible for any intelligence agency, especially a foreign one, to
 determine which students will always make a career out of politics. So
 this raises an important question: why did Chinese intelligence show
 an early interest in Clinton? I'm not suggesting that Clinton was
 involved with Chinese intelligence from when he was a student only
 that it was aware of what I shall call his potential. Clearly
 something or someone, and I'm not referring to the Russians, alerted
 them. Who or what has not been revealed.

 There is no doubt whatsoever that when Clinton became politically
 active Chinese intelligence in his potential was renewed and steps
 were taken at a very early stage in his career to cultivate a presence
 through third parties with well-known Asian connections. To my
 knowledge this has never been done with any other American politician
 but Beijing felt confident enough to do it with Clinton. Why? Even the
 densest politician would have smelt a rat so why the confidence?

 The key to the puzzle lies in his psychological profile. My
 understanding is that Chinese intelligence concluded that Clinton is
 bereft of any kind of morality or cultural moorings and that he is
 totally absorbed; a man for whom the only thing that counts is what
 promotes his interest regardless of the cost to others, including the
 nation; a man with no sense of honour, integrity or loyalty but an
 uncanny ability to convey the opposite feelings. It was early evidence
 of this ability plus his thuggishness in pursuit of his own ambitions
 that finally convinced Beijing that he was a political winner.

 Beijing knew what many still cannot see. Clinton sees the presidency
 as a mere trophy, a kind of political Oscar. Everything he does is
 geared to winning and keeping that Oscar. Curiously enough, it this
 destructive ambition — destructive to America, that is — leaves him as
 a Democrat. Now Clinton is a genuine political thug and these type of
 thugs are attracted to politics because of the power it gives them.
 Therefore when they gain power they do what they can to accumulate
 even more. This is why the likes of Clinton are not to be found in
 political parties that preach small government, the need for low
 taxation and the virtues of patriotism.[1] No wonder it was child's
 play for Beijing to manipulate Clinton. It was like bribing a child
 with sweets.

 All said and done, Clinton wilfully betrayed his country. To call
 Clinton a Judas would be to insult Judas whose shame led him to commit
 suicide. Clinton is not a flawed man, as some would have it, he is a
 deeply corrupt and very dangerous man. As I said, there are stories I
 could never repeat though I do not doubt their veracity for a moment.

 [1]Hayek

 The New Australian


AER
~~~
The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking
new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust
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A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled
one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller,
   German Writer (1759-1805)
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that
prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
"Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and 

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Re: [CTRL] Yeltsin Gives Clinton Info on JFK

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William Manchester wrote the "authorized" version of the Death of a
President; Jim Bishop wrote The Day Kennedy Was Shot, the difference
between sensitivity and the cold truth, I guessbut each book did
refer to heaven forbid, The Gideon KJV bible, placed in nearly very
country to count, spy to spy

The first thing I did that day, was read the indexI helped Bud
Fensterwald's Assassination Committee (he recently died, and he told me
once he had a million dollar life insurance policy, and if anything
happened to him, he would know why.funny)

Anyway, that is when I caught something in The Death of the President
(would have been better The King Must Die)...in the index under Ku Klux
Klan, it said page ;69; i immediately went to page 69 but the reference
had been deleted.

Now Jack Ruby in his prison cell repeated over and over "Shadrach,
Meschenk, and Abnego"the three under fire at high noon that Friday,
as the Kiss of Death was carefully applied as planned .the Ruby is
shot.and a further reference in Heb."for where there is a
testimony there must by necessity be the death of the testator" or, kill
the witnesses.

The Assassination Committee told researchers the only ones who had to
worry about anything were thosewho could be witnesses.

Out with the old and on with the newthe Mayor of Dallas had a
brother who was CIA;  the music played on the Juke Boxes dropping clues
to those on the inside...the Song, The Streets of Laredoa young
cowboy is gunned down in the streets all dressed in white, the drums
roll and beat, and he is taken to the valleythe song is an old Irish
Ballad, called the Bard of Armaghand of course, the Irish knew who
the Fitzgerlds were

And then Bobby and almost Teddy twice; and then Wallace...even Malcolm X
got it...all keyed to a curious bible codea High Tribunal judging at
midnight, executing judgmentlet us call them the Battering
Ramsthe Johns...who could only speak of love, but intense hatred in
their hearts...we had Jupiter, Mercury, code names Saul and Barney,
giving he orders that dayCIA infiltrators were on the grounds...and
an Oswald, minus a scar behind his ear is alleged to have pulled the
trigger

And then little Sirhan...he faithfully read his bible, in fact per his
diary he would receive money as per instructions in the biible...RFK
must die, and another programmed killer went into action.

What is Christian Identity?   Well, if that is Christianity I must take
exceptionno reach Christian from the New Tstament would rant and
rave so.it was people like that that nailed Jesus to the Cross, and
pierced his side - the Spear of Longinus, that Hitler was to later hold
...

Put all these little Secret Societies together, and they dod not spell
Mother, but Mafiaand they come in many different colorsmy
father, was the Clan of Dan - the 91st...the Evergreen..and a Knight
of Columbus who as he said was paid a dollar a day to shoot Nazis and he
was overpaid.

But what happened that day in Dallaslet us go to Yeltsin who must
have a lot of stuff on JFKthe Walker spies, remember themNavy?
In the Ku Klux Klan and that stupid KGB got caught sending out telegrams
using KKK logo? My friend who was a Grand Dragon in the KKK, when they
finally got those guys, all the real Grand Dragons burnt their robes,
and went back to sleepthe sleeping dragons...the real Klan - an
invisible empire who does not communicate on the internet

What does this all mean.you now when I got my FBI file, or a part of
it thereof - my own words had been censored for national security
reasons, and my file a portion thereof, Larry Flynt has (and I did warn
him he was in danger becasue Mark Lane was using him as he did Rick
Strawcutter and Jones at Jonestown)

Why would my own letters be censored to me the writer?  They were sent
from Hoover to DeLoah to Toomey.Hoover knew what the bible code was
and who was behind it, so what I think happenedJudgment at the
Watergate (Nehemiah)Nixon got it in the neck, and the Watergate
Motel was named by the Vatican I understandas for Roselli and
Giacomotwo old Knight Templar too care of them...they only kill each
other, you knowand then Hoffa got away in the witness protection
program, and this I have good reason to think to be true.

Ah the Johns, the Battering Rams John, the lower Echelon who likes to
lead young girls astray and rob their homes, drug their drinksbut
end up very, very frustrated a victim of their own lustsuch is the
life of the agent provacatuer

AYAK anyone..not mebut who will be nextThe Comet is coming, and
the Nazis are here in disguise...and from without they are but the enemy
within.

Yes, Give Me That Old Time Religion...but Christian ID, can go straight
to hell.

Years ago literature was brought to my office put out in the basement of
a funeral parlor, run by Congressman John Ashrook 

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Sorry to post this, but is there a way to pt all the emails from the
conspiracy newsletter into a digest? All these emails fill up my mail box.
Thanks.

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[CTRL] (Fwd) ZNet Commentary June 19 Norman Solomon

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Time for you BayArea-ites ("Areans" has an off-sound) (and others) to
muster yourselves and stand up for the fundamentals of Freedom,
Truth, Justice and the American Way (i.e., protest in accordance with
the best traditions that made San Fran and Berkeley reknowned!!!).

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SHADOW FALLING ON BEACON OF INDEPENDENT RADIO
By Norman Solomon

This summer begins with a large shadow hanging over one of the nation's
pioneering radio stations. Half a century after listener-supported KPFA
took to the airwaves in the San Francisco area as a unique experiment in
media independence, the battle raging over its future is ominous -- yet
inspiring.

KPFA Radio provides an eclectic mix of progressive political news and
views along with an array of cultural offerings. At a time when "public
radio" routinely means a mish-mash of cautious mainstream programming, the
station is an enduring symbol of feisty community radio. That's why you
should care about KPFA's fate, even if you've never been within earshot of
its transmitter.


The owner of KPFA is the Pacifica Foundation, which also possesses
noncommercial FM stations in four other cities (Los Angeles, Houston, New
York and Washington). The foundation's governing board has gradually
consolidated power during this decade. The board fills its own vacancies.
While demanding accountability from staff and volunteers, the members of
the board are accountable to no one but themselves.

In late March, a crisis exploded at KPFA when Pacifica abruptly fired
station manager Nicole Sawaya, a leader who had unified the station's
diverse staff and volunteers. Immediately after the firing, Pacifica's
executive director Lynn Chadwick tried to prevent the station's news
department from reporting that it had occurred.

Chadwick wrote a three-sentence memo to KPFA's news staff. "I am directing
you not to air a story about Nicole's termination," the memo said. "This
is not a news story. Airing this story would be a violation of Pacifica
policy."

The memo was preposterous -- and deeply contemptuous of the most basic
precepts of journalism. The attempt by the Pacifica Foundation's executive
director to suppress the story was unprecedented. During nearly two full
decades of working at the station, Mark Mericle, co-director of the KPFA
news department, had never seen anything like it. "In 18 years," he
recalls, "no one ever ordered us not to cover anything."

KPFA's news staff faced a dilemma. The firing of the popular station
manager -- an action with far-reaching implications for listeners -- was
clearly newsworthy. But the network's most powerful executive had ordered
that the story not be covered. What to do? Play it safe or adhere to
journalistic principle?

The news staff chose principle, reporting the story in full on the
station's widely heard evening newscast. Later in the spring, coverage
continued as Pacifica's top officials reached new heights of arrogance.

Answerable only to the Pacifica board, Chadwick claimed that she was
merely trying to enforce a network policy against airing internal matters.
But management's selective enforcement of the nebulous gag rule had a
transparent purpose -- self-serving censorship.

When news spread to the airwaves of other Pacifica-owned stations,
management lashed out in retaliation. On April 4, a 30-year veteran of
Pacifica's airwaves -- journalist Larry Bensky -- spoke out while hosting
his live national program "Sunday Salon." Chadwick reacted by firing him.

The sad story could have ended there, with KPFA employees opting for
silence and the network's management tightening its grip. Instead, a
wonderful thing happened: Staffers and volunteers kept speaking up,
eloquently and emphatically, on the air.

Listeners responded with a torrent of faxes, e-mails and phone calls
backing Sawaya, Bensky, and the beleaguered staff and volunteers. Hundreds
of people repeatedly gathered outside the KPFA building in Berkeley to
rally in support. Local civic groups and labor unions passed resolutions
in solidarity.

Pacifica's next move came on June 8, in the form of a memo from Chadwick
to "all KPFA staff and volunteers." 

[CTRL] Peacemakers

[Anonymous]

elied upon to ruthlessly suppress social and political
 unrest. This is his real remit in Kosovo. His record contradicts the
 official hypocrisy surrounding “Operation Joint Guardian”. Someone
 involved at the highest level in one of the most notorious episodes in
 recent history, whose career is bound up with British imperialism's
 deliberate cultivation of sectarian and religious conflict, has now
 been charged with preventing “ethnic cleansing”. It is no surprise,
 therefore, that the forcible removal of the Serb minority is taking
 place under his very nose and with his tacit approval.





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 World Socialist Web Site
 All rights reserved



From IrishTimes


 Wednesday, June 16, 1999

 PM refuses appeal for
 intervention on anonymity



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 The British Prime Minister, in a letter made public yesterday, said
 his government was both committed to finding out the truth about
 Bloody Sunday, and sympathetic to concerns for soldiers' safety.

 Mr Blair was replying to Conservative MP Mr Gerald Howarth, who is
 campaigning against the decision of the Bloody Sunday Inquiry not to
 grant anonymity to a number of ex-soldiers.

 High Court judges said yesterday that they planned to give a swift
 ruling on a legal move by former soldiers who fired live rounds on
 Bloody Sunday to remain anonymous.

 The Prime Minister said: "While I understand your concerns for the
 safety of the soldiers, I must make it absolutely clear that the
 inquiry is impartial, and that it must be seen to be impartial from
 the very outset. It is not for the Government to interfere with the
 way the inquiry chooses to conduct its business. The matter is now
 before the courts."

 Mr Blair went on: "The government is both committed to the objective
 of finding out the truth about Bloody Sunday and sympathetic to the
 soldiers' concerns about their personal safety.

 "The Ministry of Defence, acting as the soldiers' former employer and
 fulfilling its duty of care to them, has unequivocally supported their
 arguments in favour of anonymity.

 "In the course of the recent judicial review, its counsel expressed
 its deep concern and took the court through its arguments in some
 detail."

 Mr Howarth, MP for Aldershot, commented: "While I am fully apprised of
 the support that the Ministry of Defence is giving at a cost, so far,
 of £1.14 million, nevertheless the Prime Minister cannot wash his
 hands of this matter, which is of very great concern to those men who
 have already put their lives on the line for their country." - (PA)




From IrishTimes


 Wednesday, June 16, 1999

 Full text of
 Blair speech



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 Speech by British Prime Minister, Mr Tony Blair MP at Stranmillis
 University College, Belfast on June 15

 This is an anxious time. The people of Northern Ireland face a crisis
 they do not want, do not deserve and is not of their making. It is
 right that the alarm bells are ringing.

 But we should remember how far we've come.

 People on both sides say to me constantly: what has the Good Friday
 Agreement delivered? Nothing has changed, they say.

 I want you to reflect on that. Has nothing really changed? Yes there
 are acts of violence by thugs on both sides. But the cease-fires are
 in place; fewer soldiers on the streets; fewer roadblocks; ordinary
 life returning to our streets and homes; new investment and economic
 development all around us.

 Republicans and Unionists sitting down together to talk.

 There is a political process.

 There is an Agreement.

 British/Irish relations transformed, in a way not seen since
 partition.

 People say this Agreement will collapse like all the rest. But 1974
 and 1992 were different.

 This has resolved the key constitutional issues: agreement on consent,
 changes to the Irish constitution; replacement for the Anglo-Irish
 Agreement, - agreement on an Assembly, North/South bodies and a
 British Irish Council. And it is a genuinely inclusive process.

 This is a million miles further than we've ever been.

 Then people say: the other side are purely cynical. It's all
 manoeuvring. `It's all a tactic to get into the Executive whilst the
 IRA retain violence. ` Or `It's all a tactic to stop us sitting in the
 Executive and if we overcome this hurdle, they'll think of another.` I
 hear the same phrase, the same words, the same attacks from every
 party to the peace process, just varied in who they apply to.

 So people say: nothing's changed. It's all going to collapse. The
 other side, but not me are totally cynical.

 And I am saying to people: it's all rubbish. Things have changed. I
 have no doubt at all that people who supported the Agreement want it
 to work. And if it collapses it is because we all lacked

Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.

[Anonymous]

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From: Zombie Cow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ere.

 The question remains: who was/is Milocevic working for?

 I do believe he was a CIA backed man once,
 and they got him into power. Like so many
 others, he turned on the US sponsors.

 But one question remains: Why bomb the shit out
 of a country and destroy it's infrastructure,
 when all you really need to do is imprison or
 kill one man - the crazy leader?


   If you think that Milocevic could have signed the Ramboulet agreement
without getting himself in deep doo doo in Yugoslavia you haven't been
paying attention. In fact, it appears that he is in trouble for even signing
the much less imposing agreement after months of bombing.

Howard Davis

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] False Opposition of Conservative Organizations]

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 Anyone have any info on who funds the Cato Institute?


He was the vice-presidential nominee in 1976 for the Libertarian Party. He
was a Texas oil millionaire ((I think his name is Kocke (sp? pronounce like
coke)) and spent a large amount of money running that campaign. He quit
funding the Libertarian Party after that because of two possible supposed
reasons. One, he realized that an independent third party would always be
blocked by those who control the two major parties. You might remember that
neither Carter or Reagan were popular choices. That election was a
particularly dangerous one for the elite. The Libertarian Party seemed a
real possible threat. So they ran one of their own as an alternative John
Anderson (CFR, Bilderberger) and, of course, pushed him in the media. He, of
course, did not form any party, but just ran as an independent so when the
election was over things returned to the normal two party choice. However,
he served his purpose, which was to bury the Libertarian Party as a possible
alternative (he got something like 10% (the protest vote) and the
Libertarians got less the 1%)). The other purported reason was that the guy
realized that even with all his money he could not control the Libertarian
Party. At least that is the story I heard.

Howard Davis

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Re: [CTRL] Marine who refused anthrax vaccine convicted of disobedience

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Who assumes the responsibility if the vaccine is no good; U.S.
Department of Health documents prove this vaccine could cause a form of
meningitis.

Gulf War illness?   Well remember the Legionaires DiseaseMy Name is
legion, and the disease entered into the swine.an old Nazi
experiment was based around this experiment...well, they decided to
blame air conditioning units for this deadly diseasebut, did someone
introduce the germ into the system as the CIA was exprimenting at the
time with meningitus germs and got caught.

But nobody seems to know this; I had a friend in Saudi Arabia, and I
made he comment how do you stand the heatoh do not worry about that,
our tents are air conditioned.

No wonder Sadaam Hussein was laughingair conditioned
tentsanother incident of My Name Is Legionwhat ws this Gulf War
diseasewhich seemingly had all the symptoms of something maybe
caused by something in the units.

Who knowsbut then who cared...I still remember the victims fighting
the government for this disease to be recognized as war connectedand
as of late, my son lost a good friend to his Gulf War sicknesshe was
only in his early thirties, his life destroyed.

Cui bono.if the government is going to make our troops take
questionable innoculations, let them sign a document taking full
resonsibility for any of the few, who might come home in a coffin.

Who do these people think they are.if you want a real horror story,
I had some nformtion on veterans hospitals where one old soldier lost
his leg due to neglect.where the rooms were not cleanyet they
dearly paid for the right to be there.

Colleen

Remember Gerald Ford taking the Swine Flu shot, which was an insult unto
itselfas an example to get the public to run to their nearest
doctor

Next it will be innoculations against leprosy, AIDS.who is murdering
Africa?

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[CTRL] Fwd: I, Cringely: The Pulpit

[Anonymous]

Interesting item re Littleton; no mention of the little girl with the
bible, who had been in the witches coven.but there is stuff
indicative of those who infiltrate and attempt to take over news lists,
etc., for their own self-servingselling snake oils, and Nazi
Propaganda.

One wonders what drove two kids over the edgedrugs, and a control -
and a Church of God Shouters who made a tv spectacular out of what
should have been  a respectful solemn occasion, only letter to wave
their hands with the Mojo sign, in deep remourse for the dead.

When you put together all the killings in thr schools, they have one
common denominatorreligious fanatics in the schoolsjoin them or
be ostracized.

Secret Societies operate this way; also E Mail lists...flamers?
When they speak a lie, they speak their ownand as is written, by
their fruits, you shall know them.

Witches and Warlocks and hysterical children giving the President the
Mojo?

colleen




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Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.

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- Original Message -
From: Zombie Cow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Ric Carter wrote:
  From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
What hath Milocevic wrought?  Since taking power 12 years ago,
he's accomplished a great deal for his people.  He's started
and lost four wars.  He's overseen the total breakup of the
old Republic of the Southern Slavs, 'balkanized' into its
constituent components.
  
   I don't think that Milocevic wishes to start any wars.
 
  Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosova.  ...
  The question remains: who was/is Milocevic working for?

 I do believe he was a CIA backed man once,
 and they got him into power. Like so many
 others, he turned on the US sponsors.

Or his sponsors are multinational entities, and the whole 'conflict'
is a distractive campaign orchestrated for reasons we may or may not
have touched upon yet.  Unimaginative theorists think that Kosova
was "Monica's war", started by Clinton to distract attention from
his personal/domestic troubles.  Peel back another layer, and both
the he's-a-lying-fucker impeachment and Kosova can be seen as just
distractions from Sino/Indonesian bribery, or from Chinese expansion
and militarization, or west-to-Russia technology transfers, or... ??
Peel back another layer, and all the above are revealed as just more
prestidigitation, distraction from... what?  What's under the next
layer?  Is that the core?  Is there ANY core?

 But one question remains: Why bomb the shit out
 of a country and destroy it's infrastructure,
 when all you really need to do is imprison or
 kill one man - the crazy leader?

Better yet, if you want to destabilize a national leader, go for
his/her support structure: the cronies, toadies, funders, those
who've backed the fucker and who're rewarded for that support.
The "100 Families" of Beograd who've gained handsomely from their
tool Milocevic would be rather pissed if their Swiss and Bahamian
accounts were sequestered, their Riviera villas confiscated, their
kids and cousins kicked out of American and European schools and
condos, their lifestyles seriously impinged.  Attack the finances
of Milocevic's lieutenants and bankers, and he's gone, quicker
than Drano thru a duck.  One needn't kill someone to destroy them.

Basic rule of reality: if your only recourse against someone is
violence, you're a dummy and you've already lost.  If you're
smart, you hire/scare/inflame someone else to do the dirty work
for you, or you bribe your opponent, or you stay out of the
neighborhood.  So either NATO is really dumb, or they've been
used by some other power.  Who?  Why?

  Ric "Byzantine operatives last the longest" Carter

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[CTRL] Fwd: Secret Diplomacy, Not Espionage Behind Red China's N-Bomb

[Anonymous]

The father of the  neutron bomb; now mix this up with a lot of religion,
stir well, and you come up with mass destruction.

The Chinese bought their way into the Whitehouse, but it would seem to
me that they have walked into the deadly traplet us hope the
missionaries preached Love Thy Neighbor, because between Russian and
Chinawho will knock off whom first.

When Carter was president I remember him stating he took problems home
to Amy to discuss for her opinion; now without a doubt, this is when too
late, Carter got out of the neutrom bomb and called a halt to
itcannot imagine what Amy said, but it must have been

But Daddy if you kill all the people and the buildings are still
standing, what good are they to anyonedaddy.

Carter, a nuclear physicist surely knew he had opened another Pandora;s
box; the the father of the Neutron Bomb, I never knew of a Chinaman by
the name of Sam Cohen.

And you wonder why the kids are scared these days.Palestine is to be
destroyed (Sirhan was a Palestinian).Israel will be destroyedthe
chosen people will remainto stop this Holy War, all we have to do is
start using corn oil, and let the arab and jews live in peace at last.

Neutron bomb.we have stuff much worse now.much more creative,
and without a doubt while the Chinese are trying to catch up, they will
look around to find Russia like Joshua, using vibrations to bring down a
wall and its people.

Colleen




http://www.jbs.org/Focus/neutron_cohen.htm

[CTRL] Fw: What's New for Jun 18, 1999

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WHAT'S NEW   Robert L. Park   Friday, 18 Jun 99   Washington, DC

1. DOE: "SCIENCE AT ITS BEST--SECURITY AT ITS WORST."  The title
of the Rudman report pretty much says it all.  Undertaken at the
President's request to examine the security threat at DOE weapons
labs, the bluntly-worded report describes DOE as a "dysfunctional
bureaucracy," and concludes that, "faced with a profound public
responsibility, [DOE] has failed."  Two alternatives were
offered: a new semi-autonomous weapons agency within DOE, or a
wholly independent agency such as NASA.  The report acknowledged
disagreement over these alternatives, but the four-member panel
was unanimous that the labs should never be subordinated to the
Defense Department.  The nuclear weapons functions need "more
autonomy, a clearer mission, a streamlined bureaucracy, and
increased accountability," but contact with nonclassified
research must be maintained: "Nations that honor and advance
freedom of inquiry have fared better than those who have sought
to arbitrarily suppress and control the community of science."

2. MORE DOE: WHITE HOUSE WILL NOT ENDORSE A SEPARATE AGENCY.  In
a statement on Tuesday, President Clinton said the proposals of
the Rudman panel would be carefully reviewed.  There is concern
in the White House, however, that top weapons scientists would be
unwilling to isolate themselves from unclassified basic research
in a wholly independent agency.  A semi-autonomous agency within
DOE, however, might solve that problem and could still be seen as
consistent with Secretary Richardson's reforms.  Senator Rudman
himself is said to be leaning toward the semi-autonomous option.

3. STILL MORE DOE: NBC NIGHTLY NEWS GLEEFULLY PILES ON.  It's an
old Washington sport. "Some critics say that your department has
done about as well managing taxpayer dollars as it has protecting
the nation's nuclear secrets," sneered reporter Lisa Myers to a
DOE official.  In its regular feature "The Fleecing of America,"
NBC news last night focused on a Vancouver accelerator conference
attended by 525 government scientists.  "That's right, 525
government scientists discussing particle acceleration...Wouldn't
200 or 300 have been enough?" Myers sniffed.

4. INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION: EVOKING MEMORIES OF MIR.  One of
the problems with "exploring" low-Earth orbit is that we've been
there before--lots of times--and so have the Russians.  The
result is that the ISS must be able to maneuver out of the way of
pieces of space junk, of which there are thousands. One rather
large piece, a dead Russian rocket, was on an uncomfortably close
trajectory last week. Instructions were sent to the Russian built
Zarya module, which is supposed to supply the thrust to get out
of the way.  Alas, the ISS stubbornly refused to budge.  Rep.
Sensenbrenner, who is not happy about relying on Russia anyway,
wants to know why.  He also wants to know why NASA failed to tell
Congress or the public about until it leaked out a week later.

THE AMERICAN PHYSICAL SOCIETY (Note: Opinions are the author's
and are not necessarily shared by the APS, but they should be.)

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[CTRL] Fw: SNET: [piml] Timeline of Treason

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May I suggest you save the download for your files, then send this to
everyone you know.
John Lee

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Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 5:17 PM
Subject: SNET: [piml] Timeline of Treason



 -  SNETNEWS  Mailing List

 This is the 1st 8 of 35 pages of this article to give you an idea what
 it's about,
 You can read or download the complete file at:
 http://members.spree.com/education/2302410/



 THE GREAT AMERICAN SELLOUT
 TIMELINE OF TREASON

 "...until the 19th century, the knowledge of BABYLONIA and Assyria was
 based on
 the Old Testament and a few Greek writers. Not until after the discovery
 of ANCIENT
 MONUMENTS AND WRITTEN DOCUMENTS in the two countries, and especially
 after the
 decipherment of the cuneiform script and the languages written in this
 script, did the
 history and civilization of Babylonia and Assyria become known." -
 ENCYCLOPEDIA
 BRITANNICA

 The great city of BABYLON [Sumerian for 'god's gate] was the capital of
 an empire
 that was often in conflict with the Jewish people. It was built on the
 Euphrates River in
 Mesopotamia, about 50 miles south of modern-day BAGHDAD - in IRAQ. In
 biblical times,
 this rich metropolis was surrounded by walls so thick that horse-drawn
 chariots could
 ride along the top. The grandest of its more than 50 temples honored the
 Babylonian
 creator-god MARDUK. Somewhere between 700 to 600 B.C., NEBUCHADNEZZAR II
 conquered Judah, and in 596 B.C. he brought thousands of Jews to
 Babylon. That was
 the beginning of the BABYLONIAN CAPTIVITY mentioned in the BOOK OF
 LAMENTATIONS. Shortly thereafter, Nebuchadnezzar ordered the building of
 the Marduk
 temple tower [The TOWER OF BABEL]. The Jewish people remained in
 captivity until
 Babylon was conquered by the Persians in 539 B.C. Now, this is where it
 begins to get
 really interesting. The history and FUTURE of the Tower of Babel and the
 Babylonian
 Empire are discussed very specifically in the Bible:

 "And the whole earth was of ONE language, and of one speech. And it
 came to
 pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the
 land of Shinar
 [BABYLONIA]; and they dwelt there. And they said one to another, Go to
 [come], let us
 make brick, and burn [bake] them throughly. And they had brick for
 stone, and slime
 [asphalt] had they for mortar. And they said, Go to, LET US BUILD US A
 CITY AND A
 TOWER, WHOSE TOP MAY REACH UNTO HEAVEN; and let us make us a name, lest
 we
 be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth." GEN. 11:1-4

 A few years ago, a handful of "internationalists" ordered a tower to be
 built in
 NEW YORK CITY - probably as close as you can get to a MODERN-DAY
 "BABYLON." It
 would be a monument [and the seat of power] to "multiculturalism" and a
 "one-world
 religion," not to mention the death of God and Christianity! Keep this
 building - and the
 idea behind it - in mind, as we continue our tale of MAN'S PRIDE AND
 GOD'S JUDGMENT:

 "And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the
 children of men
 builded. And the Lord said, 'Behold, the people is one, and they have
 all one language;
 and this they may begin to do; and now NOTHING WILL BE RESTRAINED FROM
 THEM,
 WHICH THEY HAVE IMAGINED TO DO. Go to, let us go down, and there
 CONFOUND
 THEIR LANGUAGE, that they may not understand one another's speech. So
 the Lord
 scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of the earth: and they
 left off [gave up]
 to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called 'Babel; because
 the Lord did there
 confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord
 scatter them abroad
 upon the face of all the earth." - GEN 11:5-9 [Lucifer tried thisand God
 threw him out of
 Heaven and condemned him to eternal Hellfire. Adam and Eve disobeyed God
 and ate of
 the Tree of Knowlege of Good and Evil. For this attempt to be like God,
 He banned them
 forever from the Garden. God is our Creator, and He will never permit
 man to supplant
 Him!]

   Today, SADDAM HUSSEIN is attempting to rebuild the CITY OF BABYLON and
 the
 TOWER OF BABEL, claiming he is the reincarnation of King Nebuchadnezzar.
 Meanwhile,
 the internationalists - who proudly declare themselves to be ILLUMINISTS
 [worshippers
 of Lucifer, i.e., Satan] and HUMANISTS [worshippers of Self] - are
 creating a WORLD
 OLIGARCHY, wherein they will rule all the people of the earth as their
 lords and masters -
 and as one with their god: LUCIFER. By the way, our present god is
 money. Don't you
 find it interesting that one of the names for money is "LUCRE?" Now,
 before we continue
 with our timeline and see what these idiots have done to accomplish
 their mission, let's
 go back to the Bible and see what Isaiah 13 prophecied for Babylon:

 "And BABYLON, the beauty of kingdoms, the glory of the Chaldeans'
 pride, Will
 be as WHEN GOD OVERTHREW SODOM AND GOMORRAH. It will never be 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3

[Anonymous]

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SkeptiNews 990618c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: The 1st 2 bulletins today were mislabeled WEDNESDAY, not FRIDAY. Duh...
: No Gulf War veterans were helped much during production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiBriefs - ask your own questions:

# Researchers Find Genetic Cause For Gulf War Syndrome. A genetic trait can
  predispose people to Gulf War syndrome. Scientists shows why some veterans
  of the Gulf War may have gotten ill from certain chemical exposures while
  others did not. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/990617072520.htm

# DEADLY DRUGS PEDDLED AS DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS. The FDA has issued a warning
  about some supplements that are actually serious drugs, with serious side
  effects. These supplements - sold as aphrodisiacs, sleep aids and muscle
  builders - have been associated with three deaths and over 120 adverse
  reactions. www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=13386

# Evolutionary Genetic Tools Trace Cancer Clone Lines. Sophisticated
  computational tools developed to trace species evolution by comparing
  DNA sequences have now been used to track the development of human
  cancer. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/990618063559.htm

@ A JOURNALIST'S INTRODUCTION TO SKULL AND BONES. "Initiates are sworn to
  secrecy. They are required to leave the room if The Order comes into
  discussion. They cannot-under oath-answer questions on The Order and
  its organization." Gnarly: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/intro1.htm

# Alaska's Columbia Glacier Traveling At Record Pace. Already the fastest
  moving glacier in the world, the Columbia Glacier in Alaska has increased
  its speed from 25 meters to 35 meters per day in recent months. Peel out,
  dewd: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/990618064120.htm

# INFECTIOUS DISEASES DRAINING INTO OCEANS. Swimming within 100 yards of a
  storm drain at your local beach can be hazardous to your health. Swimmers
  who don't give the drain enough space end up with more upper respiratory
  and gastrointestinal illnesses. This should get you on the environmental
  bandwagon. www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=13388

$ Technical Remote Viewing Home Training Course. Discovered in a Top
  Secret lab, remote viewing has been successfully employed by the US
  intelligence community to support critical and classified operations.
  In 1991, PSI TECH's Major Ed Dames brought this priceless knowledge
  out of the confines of secrecy to avail the public of a monumental
  and life changing technology - Technical Remote Viewing. The next
  step in human evolution is here: www.trv-psitech.com/index1.htm

# Arson caused Calif. synagogue fires. SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) 3 synagogues
  were hit by coordinated arson attacks Friday, and hate literature blaming
  the "International Jewsmedia" for the war in Kosovo was found at one of
  the buildings. The fires caused moderate damage to two synagogues and
  gutted a third temple's library, destroying a collection of videos on
  Jewish history. BATF is taking over the investigation and is assuming it
  is a hate crime. www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559985634-ec2

@ A Modest Proposal - For Preventing The Children of Poor People in
  Ireland From Being A Burden to Their Parents or Country, and For Making
  Them Beneficial to The Public. http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

# Study Finds Predictors For Youth Violence And Drugs. In predicting violent
  behavior among teenagers, cliques and high school social sets do matter,
  finds the first large-scale study to examine this factor in a systematic
  manner. So does marijuana use (but not 'harder' drugs), being male, and
  feeling vulnerable to violence or having been victimized by violence among
  other factors. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/990614075139.htm

@ THE TRUTH ABOUT MARS. Now I will contact my Martian guide and take an ast-
  ral flight through space, and see just how it is that man lives on the red
  planet. Almost immediately a very distinguished looking man stands before
  me; he is Nur El, a man of high position  esteem from one of the Martian
  cities. He is dressed in a very brilliant red suit. The coat is long, al-
  most to the knees, with loose fitting pantaloons. On his head is a red hat
  with a square shaped brim that is turned up on 4 sides. Our trip there is
  a matter of split seconds: www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/mars/mars.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiLinks:

# TERROR NETWORK EYEING U.S. OUTPOSTS WORLDWIDE - who's bombing whom?
  http://cnn.com/US/9906/17/bin.laden.threat/index.html
# CAPTURED 1970S RADICAL HELD WITHOUT BOND - was SLA a CIA front?
  http://cnn.com/US/9906/17/sla.arrest.02/index.html
  

[CTRL] CANADA INVOKES NAFTA TO SMASH CALIFORNIA

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999
 Subj: [RuMills] CANADA INVOKES NAFTA TO SMASH CALIFORNIA

 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/
 chronicle/archive/1999/06/18/MN12059.DTL"


 Canadian Firm Sues California Over MTBE
 $970 million suit seeks to end gas-additive ban

 This morning's San Francisco Chronicle carried an article about
 the gas additive MTBE.

 MTBE is supposed to take the pollution out of the air, at least
 Carol Browner of the EPA and her appointees tell us that is
 what it is designed to do.

 When MTBE was forced on California, no one told us that it
 would pollute our drinking water with carcinogens.  No one told
 us that pockets of our children, who live near these polluted
 water wells, would develop a fast growing cancer and die.

 Now that we have discovered that it is killing our children and
 destroying our water, Canada is using NAFTA, the North American
 Free Trade Agreement, to force our governor to back down on his
 ban against MTBE.

 ISN'T NAFTA GREAT?

 Because of NAFTA, a business in a foreign country can force us
 to destroy our land and water because we signed a "treaty" or
 an agreement, saying we had to accept anything they wanted to
 trade with us... even if it kills us and our state!

 People are always talking about building bridges and forming
 consensus amoung warring factions.  It is time for the warring
 factions of America to come together and get rid of this NAFTA
 monster that is threatening to destroy us.

 Divide and conquer is the way our enemies are winning.  They
 keep us fighting each other over abortion, gun control, school
 prayer, and other equally intense hot buttons.  Then while we
 are doing battle to save our guns, babies and God, they slip in
 with treaties and agreements that take ALL of our rights away.

 Our house is burning down.  Can Americans stop fighting each
 other long enough to put out the fire?  Once we have saved
 America for another generation of Americans, then we can go
 back to being Democrats and Republicans, Christians and Pagans,
 gun owners and gun haters.  But for now, if we don't learn how
 to ignore the people who are pressing our hot buttons and
 pulling our strings, our house is going to burn down around us,
 while we are fighting each other.

 NAFTA and the Canadian MTBE lawsuit is a point where all
 Americans who use water can come together in a common cause.
 Water unites us all.  Without pure water, our state and our
 nation will not survive.  MTBE will destroy our water.  Without
 water California cannot grow the food that feeds much of the
 United States.

 If NAFTA forces us to continuing using an additive that is
 killing us, then  we must kill NAFTA first.

 NAFTA is one of the lynchpins of the New World Order.  If we
 can rally enough Americans around MTBE and NAFTA, maybe we can
 delay the plans the New World Order elitists have in store
 for us.

 I have inserted the article, or you can use the weblink to pull
 it up.

 Ru Mills, www.rumormillnews.com


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 Canadian Firm Sues California Over MTBE
 $970 million suit seeks to end gas-additive ban

 Robert Collier, Glen Martin, Chronicle Staff Writers
 Friday, June 18, 1999

 ---

 Challenging one of California's newest environmental
 protections, a Canadian corporation has filed suit to overturn
 the state's ban on the gasoline additive MTBE, calling it a
 violation of free-trade rules.

 Less than three months after Governor Gray Davis moved to end
 the use of MTBE, the Vancouver- based Methanex Corp. announced
 Tuesday that it is using the North American Free Trade
 Agreement to seek $970 million in compensation for lost
 profits.

 The challenge under NAFTA's little-known "investor rights"
 provisions packs a big legal punch.  A similar lawsuit filed
 last year by a U.S. company forced Canada to overturn its ban
 on a gasoline additive that has been implicated in health
 problems.

 Other NAFTA suits are under way in the United States and
 Canada, seeking to overturn a wide variety of government
 regulations.  Consumer and environmentalist groups warn that
 big business may be able to use NAFTA to gut decades of
 progressive legislation.

 "This is what 'free trade' is all about -- corporations
 overruling the decisions made by citizens at the ballot box and
 the legislative process," said Lori Wallach, director of Public
 Citizen's Global Trade Watch, a Washington-based lobbying group
 that has fought NAFTA.

 "Methanex is using NAFTA to override the governor, state Senate
 and people of California," she said.

 In papers filed with the U.S. State Department, the company
 said California's ban on MTBE unfairly restricts the company's
 ability to sell methanol -- a key ingredient in MTBE -- and
 profit from its sale in the state.  The company says this
 constitutes a 

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] False Opposition of Conservative Organizations]

[Anonymous]

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Dear HOward et al --- Without the "riggable computerized votefraud" piece of
the puzzle, no one can imagine how impregnable the One Party (Dem-Rep)
system is. We are about to start a strategy on www.networkamerica.org to
face down ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN in the upcoming Iowa and New Hampshire
primaries next Feb 2000. You can also call our new hotine at 513-357-6164.
Anyone who wants our mailing on this plan to restore honest elections, just
send me an address through networkamerica.org website. We'd love to get the
Libertarians involved in helping to crack this hoax. Harry Browne probably
got 2 or 3 times the votes they said he did, maybe more. We'll never know
under the current system --- where it is illegal in 49 states for citizens
to count their own votes at the General Election (NH the only exception, and
then only in 70% of the state.) Jim Condit Jr.

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 --
 From: Robert Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED]


  Anyone have any info on who funds the Cato Institute?
 

 He was the vice-presidential nominee in 1976 for the Libertarian Party. He
 was a Texas oil millionaire ((I think his name is Kocke (sp?
 pronounce like
 coke)) and spent a large amount of money running that campaign. He quit
 funding the Libertarian Party after that because of two possible supposed
 reasons. One, he realized that an independent third party would always be
 blocked by those who control the two major parties. You might
 remember that
 neither Carter or Reagan were popular choices. That election was a
 particularly dangerous one for the elite. The Libertarian Party seemed a
 real possible threat. So they ran one of their own as an alternative John
 Anderson (CFR, Bilderberger) and, of course, pushed him in the
 media. He, of
 course, did not form any party, but just ran as an independent so when the
 election was over things returned to the normal two party choice. However,
 he served his purpose, which was to bury the Libertarian Party as
 a possible
 alternative (he got something like 10% (the protest vote) and the
 Libertarians got less the 1%)). The other purported reason was
 that the guy
 realized that even with all his money he could not control the Libertarian
 Party. At least that is the story I heard.

 Howard Davis

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[CTRL] Timeline of Treason

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

This is the 1st 8 of 35 pages of this article to give you an idea what
it's about,
You can read or download the complete file at:
http://members.spree.com/education/2302410/



THE GREAT AMERICAN SELLOUT
TIMELINE OF TREASON

"...until the 19th century, the knowledge of BABYLONIA and Assyria was
based on
the Old Testament and a few Greek writers. Not until after the discovery
of ANCIENT
MONUMENTS AND WRITTEN DOCUMENTS in the two countries, and especially
after the
decipherment of the cuneiform script and the languages written in this
script, did the
history and civilization of Babylonia and Assyria become known." -
ENCYCLOPEDIA
BRITANNICA

The great city of BABYLON [Sumerian for 'god's gate] was the capital of
an empire
that was often in conflict with the Jewish people. It was built on the
Euphrates River in
Mesopotamia, about 50 miles south of modern-day BAGHDAD - in IRAQ. In
biblical times,
this rich metropolis was surrounded by walls so thick that horse-drawn
chariots could
ride along the top. The grandest of its more than 50 temples honored the
Babylonian
creator-god MARDUK. Somewhere between 700 to 600 B.C., NEBUCHADNEZZAR II
conquered Judah, and in 596 B.C. he brought thousands of Jews to
Babylon. That was
the beginning of the BABYLONIAN CAPTIVITY mentioned in the BOOK OF
LAMENTATIONS. Shortly thereafter, Nebuchadnezzar ordered the building of
the Marduk
temple tower [The TOWER OF BABEL]. The Jewish people remained in
captivity until
Babylon was conquered by the Persians in 539 B.C. Now, this is where it
begins to get
really interesting. The history and FUTURE of the Tower of Babel and the
Babylonian
Empire are discussed very specifically in the Bible:

"And the whole earth was of ONE language, and of one speech. And it
came to
pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the
land of Shinar
[BABYLONIA]; and they dwelt there. And they said one to another, Go to
[come], let us
make brick, and burn [bake] them throughly. And they had brick for
stone, and slime
[asphalt] had they for mortar. And they said, Go to, LET US BUILD US A
CITY AND A
TOWER, WHOSE TOP MAY REACH UNTO HEAVEN; and let us make us a name, lest
we
be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth." GEN. 11:1-4

A few years ago, a handful of "internationalists" ordered a tower to be
built in
NEW YORK CITY - probably as close as you can get to a MODERN-DAY
"BABYLON." It
would be a monument [and the seat of power] to "multiculturalism" and a
"one-world
religion," not to mention the death of God and Christianity! Keep this
building - and the
idea behind it - in mind, as we continue our tale of MAN'S PRIDE AND
GOD'S JUDGMENT:

"And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the
children of men
builded. And the Lord said, 'Behold, the people is one, and they have
all one language;
and this they may begin to do; and now NOTHING WILL BE RESTRAINED FROM
THEM,
WHICH THEY HAVE IMAGINED TO DO. Go to, let us go down, and there
CONFOUND
THEIR LANGUAGE, that they may not understand one another's speech. So
the Lord
scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of the earth: and they
left off [gave up]
to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called 'Babel; because
the Lord did there
confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord
scatter them abroad
upon the face of all the earth." - GEN 11:5-9 [Lucifer tried thisand God
threw him out of
Heaven and condemned him to eternal Hellfire. Adam and Eve disobeyed God
and ate of
the Tree of Knowlege of Good and Evil. For this attempt to be like God,
He banned them
forever from the Garden. God is our Creator, and He will never permit
man to supplant
Him!]

Today, SADDAM HUSSEIN is attempting to rebuild the CITY OF BABYLON and
the
TOWER OF BABEL, claiming he is the reincarnation of King Nebuchadnezzar.
Meanwhile,
the internationalists - who proudly declare themselves to be ILLUMINISTS
[worshippers
of Lucifer, i.e., Satan] and HUMANISTS [worshippers of Self] - are
creating a WORLD
OLIGARCHY, wherein they will rule all the people of the earth as their
lords and masters -
and as one with their god: LUCIFER. By the way, our present god is
money. Don't you
find it interesting that one of the names for money is "LUCRE?" Now,
before we continue
with our timeline and see what these idiots have done to accomplish
their mission, let's
go back to the Bible and see what Isaiah 13 prophecied for Babylon:

"And BABYLON, the beauty of kingdoms, the glory of the Chaldeans'
pride, Will
be as WHEN GOD OVERTHREW SODOM AND GOMORRAH. It will never be inhabited
or
lived in from generation to generation; Nor will the Arab pitch his tent
there, Nor will
shepherds make their flocks lie down there." - vs. 19, 20. In other
words, Babylon was
condemned to be a place of total DESOLATION - forever! Except for
"desert creatures,"
"owls," 'ostriches," "shaggy goats," "hyenas," "jackals," "hedgehogs,"
and 

[CTRL] Fwd: 06-18-99 -- Flag Amendment Vote Next Week!

[Anonymous]

TO:  ACLU Action Network
FR:  Bob Kearney, ACLU Field Director ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
DT: June 18, 1999

1. Flag amendment to get final House vote next week.

Next week, after the much anticipation, the House of Representatives is
scheduled to vote on HJ Res. 33, a proposed constitutional amendment that
would give Congress the power to prohibit the physical desecration of the
U.S. flag.  If adopted by the House and Senate and ratified by 38 states,
the amendment would mark the first time in history that Congress actually
amended the Constitution to take away Americans' free speech rights!

Those who favor the proposed amendment say they do so in honor of the flag.
But in proposing to unravel the First Amendment, they desecrate what the
flag represents, and what millions of Americans have died to defend.  We
are joined in opposing the amendment by many conservatives and liberals,
Republicans and Democrats, and scores of veterans around the country!

 TAKE ACTION TODAY!

Even if you've sent a letter to Congress before, now is the time to send
another one! You can also send a  free electronic postcard to your friends,
family, neighbors and colleagues urging them to help stop the amendment!

Our action alert and letter are located on our website at:

http://www.aclu.org/congress/flag1999.html

In addition, feel free to call your members offices next week and urge them
to oppose HJ Res. 33.  Call the Capitol Hill switchboard (202-225-3121) and
ask for your member's office.

2. Law Enforcement Abuse Authority to Seize Property

Imagine that federal law enforcement officials had the right to seize your
property -- your home, your car, your business -- even if you have not been
convicted of a crime. Unfortunately, this is the law of the land under a
system known as "asset forfeiture."

Currently asset forfeiture is used by federal law enforcement officials as
a dream way to fill their coffers by seizing assets allegedly used in a
crime. But asset forfeiture has become a nightmare for many Americans who
have been accused of a crime but have not been proven guilty.

To help remedy this problem, Rep. Henry Hyde (R-IL) has introduced HR 1658,
the "Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act of 1999."

TAKE ACTION!

This bill is also scheduled to go to the floor of the House of
Representatives next week.  To read more about this problem, and to send a
FREE FAX to congress in support of this bill, check out our action alert on
the ACLU website, located at:

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Re: [CTRL] Did NATO ever produce that Pilot? RE: [CTRL] Warp Speed

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

The significane of "that pilot" was that in the first days of the Kosovo
attack a NATO plane went down and Cohen and Clinton said that the Pilot was
rescued, thus assuring Americans that no lives had yet been lost. As far as
I know, until this day, that pilot has never been identified or produced.
This is a growing trend by the 4 big TV networks to declare things (like
election results) regardless of the facts, and then shove them downt he
memory hole, -- and nobody is ever powerful enough to call them to task. Is
this another example? Jim Condit Jr.

 -Original Message-
 From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
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 What is the significance again, of that pilot?

 -Original Message-
 From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
 Behalf Of Jim Condit Jr.
 Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 2:49 AM
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 Subject: [CTRL] Did NATO ever produce that Pilot? RE: [CTRL] Warp Speed


  -Caveat Lector-

 Speaking about disinformation, am I mistaken, or has NATO and the US still
 failed to produce the pilot who was "rescued" from that plane
 that was shot
 down in the first days of the NATO offensive against Serbia? If they have
 not, does it not suggest that the pilot was killed and that NATO and
 traitors Cohen, Clinton, et al just lied to keep up the myth of the
 casualty-less war? Does anyone know anything about that pilot?

  -Original Message-
  From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
  Behalf Of Alamaine Ratliff
  Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 8:08 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [CTRL] Warp Speed
 
 
   -Caveat Lector-
 
  From AFP via Yahoo!
 
  And this is new(s)?
 
 
   Media group charges NATO "distorted the truth" in Kosovo
  
  
  
  
   PARIS, June 15 (AFP) - The media organisation Reporters sans
   Frontieres (Reporters without Borders, RSF) Tuesday criticized NATO
   for "distorting the truth," and giving "false information and
   impossible-to-check figures," about the war in Yugoslavia.
  
   In a report called "War in Yugoslavia, NATO's media blunders," the
   group, which is based in Paris, questioned whether it was a matter of
   "mistakes" or if the alliance made "deliberate attempts at
   disinformation."
  
   "False information, exorbitant and impossible-to-check figures and the
   use of debatable historical references have strengthened doubts about
   the goodwill of certain western political and military leaders," RSF
   said in a communique.
  
   In one example, the group cites NATO confirmation concerning the death
   of ethnic Albanian leader Fehmi Agani along with five others.
  
   British General David Wilby had said at NATO headquarters in Brussels
   the report came from a "very reliable source" in Kosovo, which his
   department had checked carefully.
  
   "Wilby's source turned out to be the London-based Kosovo Information
   Centre, which is run by Kosovar exiles," the report said, adding that
   "one of them, Hafiz Gagica, had said the same day that Ibrahim Rugova
   had been wounded and his whereabouts were not known."
  
   Agani was in fact killed, but some days later, while Rugova
   subsequently met with Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, bringing
   blanket media coverage the Yugoslav leader was able to capitalize on.
  
   "Making a rumor official in this way, during the first week of
   bombing, would appear to be less the result of a mistake than of a
   deliberate decision; to tip the balance in favor of NATO air strikes
   on Yugoslavia at a time when public opinion was still very sceptical
   about their effectiveness," the report said.
  
   Another example cited was the April 14 air strike on a convoy which
   killed 75 people according to Serb sources.
  
   After German Defense Minister Rudolf Scharping initially accused Serb
   planes of the attack, NATO acknowledged the strike, saying "that
   apparently one of its planes dropped a bomb on a civilian vehicle
   travelling with a convoy."
  
   On April 19, NATO admitted "it had hit two convoys with the help of
   about a dozen planes that dropped a total of nine bombs," RSF said,
   adding that the alliance made public a recording of a pilot
   responsible for hitting the first.
  
   He said the vehicles in question were "of a military type," but two
   days later NATO admitted the recording had no connection with the
   bombing of the convoys.
  
   RSF says "other features of western communication are approximate
   figures, debatable historic references and the use of vocabulary that
   has the aim of making the adversary appear monstrous."
  
   "The term 'genocide' has been used systematically by British Prime
   Minister Tony Blair, and in Germany officials have compared the
   Milosevic 

Re: [CTRL] [3] Inside The League

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Hey, Kris! You're worried about a few remnants of the Iron Guard of Romania,
while the top dog Establishement "Jews" you're so worried about them
persecuting control the US governemnt and military, and are using it to
wreak Talmudic vengeance on countries like Iraq and Serbia? I HOPE there are
a few of that caliber of person left, PROVIDED they drop their naturalism,
and adopt a supernatural attitude -- in other words, to NEUTRALIZE the power
of these establishment Jews without violating their rights as persons. With
your obsession with these obscure groups who were, perhaps, imprudently
trying to defend their nations from the international Jews Henry Ford so
effectively described in his important book of the same name --- how about a
little equal time exposing "the world Rulers of this darkness" -- i.e.
Judeo-Masonry and its hieraarchy of traitors and murders, like the ABC's of
America's decline: Albright, Berger, Cohen, et al. ?? However, all your
posts such as these are valuable historically, but I flat out don't believe
some of the smears against the Iron Guard in the passages your producing --
sounds like the Jewish victors writing history THEIR way -- just like the
evil Ted Koppel is doing every night from Serbia on ABC's treacherous
Nightline program. Jim Condit Jr.

 -Original Message-
 From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
 Behalf Of Kris Millegan
 Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 4:06 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [CTRL] [3] Inside The League


  -Caveat Lector-

 an excerpt from:
 Inside The League
 Scott Anderson and Jon Lee Anderson©1986
 Dodd, Mead  Company
 79 Madison Avenue
 New York, N.Y. 10016
 ISBN 0-396-08517-2
 322pps — out-of-print/one edition
 [re-print/first edition available from:
 W. Clement Stone, P M A Communications, Incorporated]
 --[3]--

 THREE

 Our organization was never a study group, and it will never be
 one. ABN is an
 organization of fighters in the first place. Into it should come
 only people
 of courage, men dedicated to the liberation of their countries,
 and ready for
 sacrifice. We have no time and no room for orators. ABN is for action.
 Dr. C. J.  Untaru, ABN official,
 London, 1968

 THE IRON GUARD, OUN, and Ustasha movements did not expire in the
 ashes of the
 Third Reich. The refugee relief offices of the Vatican Church
 provided them
 with new passports and false identities and protected them until
 they could
 be secreted out of Rome. American and British intelligence
 agencies recruited
 hundreds of them to work in their propaganda and spying missions
 directed at
 Sovietcontrolled Eastern Europe, then smuggled them out through
 "rat lines"
 in Trieste and Genoa.[1]

 In contrast to many of the German Nazis who escaped, the
 Romanian, Ukrainian,
 and Croatian fascists did not "disappear" to end their days
 quietly. In exile
 in South America, Western Europe, Canada, and the United States,
 they rebuilt
 their networks and kept alive their ideology, their hatred of the
 Jews, and
 their cries for a New Order. They formed front organizations with
 benign-sounding names and attended international forums where
 they orated on
 the necessity of combating communism. They rose to positions of prominence
 within emigre communities and in political groups in their
 adopted countries.
 In the United States, they became Republican and Democratic Party
 officials,
 attended receptions in the White House, and met with presidents,
 vice-presidents, congressmen, and senators. United under the banner of the
 Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations, they helped found the World Anti-Communist
 League.

 After the war, the Legionnaires of the Archangel Michael melted away,
 concealing their identity in the chaos of postwar Europe. Most of
 those who
 were trapped in Romania by the approaching Soviet army or who were
 repatriated after the war were executed by the new communist regime. Some
 escaped to South America. Others remained in displaced persons
 (DP) camps in
 Western Europe until they were processed and deemed innocent of war crimes
 and fascist involvement; they were then allowed to emigrate to countries
 where they had relatives or sponsors. A large number of them came
 to Canada
 and the United States, often under the aegis of the Romanian
 Orthodox Church.

 Horia Sima, the man most responsible for the massacres of 1940 and 1941,
 slipped across the Austrian border into Germany in May 1945.

 In October 1945, we came out of hiding, thinking that we were the only
 survivors. We thought that the other Legionnaires had been captured by the
 Allies and handed over to the Soviets, as had happened to other groups of
 refugees. We discovered that they were not only free but that they had
 regrouped and organized committees to help the refugees in all
 the occupied
 zones.

 This exception was granted to the Iron Guard because we had been
 subjected to
 German concentration camps. It is true that we formed a
 

Re: [CTRL] Did NATO ever produce that Pilot? RE: [CTRL] Warp Speed

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Thanks for replying Ric, and I take it that as of now, no one has heard
anything about the identity or existence of that pilot. ... Here's how it's
treason: our government has been usurped by (primarily) top establishment
Jews, top Masons, and Stooges (like Clinton). Cohen, Albright have ZERO
loyalty to the United States and every loyalty to Israel and the NWO
government to be headquarterd in Jerusalem (they hope). They are waging war
against their enemies with US soldiers, credibility, and weapons. Serbia is
(was) not our enemy. The top Jews have been wanting to knock out Iraq, Iran,
Syria, and Serbia -- so far, two down, two to go. The treason is giving aid
and comfort to Israel and the shadow NWO government which already exists,
but is still afraid to declare itself out in the open. Part of the plan
going on is to explode as many US weapons as possible, i.e., in general dumb
down and destroy the military of the USA and all other nations so that when
the world military arsenal is unvieled, no nation will dare oppose it.
That's treason -- they swore to uphold the US Constitution. Jim Condit Jr.

 -Original Message-
 From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
 Behalf Of Ric Carter
 Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 10:19 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Did NATO ever produce that Pilot? RE: [CTRL] Warp
 Speed


  -Caveat Lector-

 - Original Message -
 From: Jim Condit Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Speaking about disinformation, am I mistaken, or has NATO and the US
  still failed to produce the pilot who was "rescued" from that plane
  that was shot down in the first days of the NATO offensive against
  Serbia? If they have not, does it not suggest that the pilot was
  killed and that NATO and traitors Cohen, Clinton, et al just lied
  to keep up the myth of the casualty-less war? Does anyone know
  anything about that pilot?
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Alamaine Ratliff
  
Media group charges NATO "distorted the truth" in Kosovo
   
PARIS, June 15 (AFP) - The media organisation Reporters sans
Frontieres (Reporters without Borders, RSF) Tuesday criticized
NATO for "distorting the truth," and giving "false information
and impossible-to-check figures," about the war in Yugoslavia.

 Treason consists of giving aid and comfort to the enemy.  How does
 an alleged lie about the survival of a NATO pilot give aid and
 comfort to Serbia?  And one must be very naive to think that any
 military organization will provide truthful information during or
 after a conflict.  If lies advance a war effort, they'll lie their
 asses off, grimly.  Wars are not waged and won by honorable gentle-
 folk, but by the meanest  trickiest  toughest bastards around.

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Re: [CTRL] Memo on the Margin

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In a message dated 06/18/1999 3:48:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
  Now that Texas Governor George W. Bush has decided officially to
  proclaim himself a "compassionate conservative," I’m finding myself
  somewhat surprised that the idea is spreading. Other Republicans want
  to be compassionate too. 

Talk about your oxymorons.  Prudy

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[CTRL] China/USA/ Embassy bombing

[Anonymous]

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China Rebuffs Clinton Envoy On Bombing

BEIJING, Jun 17, 1999 -- (Reuters) China
rejected on Thursday U.S. envoy Thomas Pickering's explanation of a series
of intelligence blunders that led to NATO bombing Beijing's embassy in
Belgrade.

"The Chinese side refuted this report and so
far the explanations by the U.S. side are not convincing," Foreign
Ministry spokeswoman Zhang Qiyue said in a statement.

She repeated a demand for punishment of those
responsible for the May 7 bombing, which killed three Chinese journalists
and sparked nationwide anti-U.S. protests, and said Beijing wanted
compensation.

Foreign Minister Tang Jiaxuan on Wednesday
rebuffed Pickering's explanation of an attack which the Chinese state
media have said repeatedly was deliberate.

On Thursday, the official Xinhua published an
account of the meeting. It said Pickering admitted there were three basic
errors which led to the embassy becoming a target in NATO's air war
against Yugoslavia.

The intended target was a Yugoslav military
procurement office, but two Yugoslav and one American map misplaced the
Chinese embassy, it quoted Pickering as saying.

U.S. military databases had not been updated
with the mission's location and the target review system failed to turn up
the error, he said.

Pickering stopped short of promising
punishment,
 Xinhua said, but did not rule it out.

He said the Central Intelligence Agency and
U.S. Department of Defense were still interviewing people involved and "it
will be determined whether any disciplinary action will be taken".

Xinhua also detailed China's rebuttal.

It said China believed it was "impossible" for
NATO not to know where Beijing's mission was and that the precision with
which the embassy was destroyed proved "the U.S. side had a very detailed
knowledge of the building structure".

China has specifically linked its willingness
to resume negotiations on its entry to the World Trade Organization to the
outcome of Pickering's mission.

It broke off WTO talks, and froze military
exchanges and a human rights dialogue, after the bombing.

Analysts were divided on whether the rebuff of
Pickering's explanation dealt a fatal blow to China's chance of entering
the WTO this year, which U.S.
President Bill Clinton said was his aim.

Failure to gain membership before a new global
round of trade talks begins in November could mean a delay to Chinese
membership of several years.

Pickering, in a statement before heading back
to Washington, gave no insight into his meetings, but he said: "We look
forward to further productive discussions with China in the mutual
interests of the two countries."

But Xinhua's story of Pickering's meetings was
broadly in line with an account offered by a State Department official
responsible for China to selected U.S. reporters.

"It may be in the end that we have to
essentially agree to disagree," the U.S. official was quoted as saying.
But, the United States was "hopeful that after a period of time, we will
get back more or less to normal relations with China".

The White House on Thursday said it hoped
Beijing would eventually understand the bombing was an accident.

"It's our hope that once China has had a
chance to review and absorb the information that they'll understand that
this was a tragic accident," White House spokesman Joe Lockhart, in Paris
with Clinton, said.

Zhang said the ball was in the U.S. court.

"It is up to the one who ties the knot to
untie it. Whoever started the trouble should end it," the spokeswoman
said.

"The Chinese government has always attached
importance to the development of Sino-U.S. ties," Zhang said. "But
principles must be topmost in developments in relations, especially on
principles of respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity."

The embassy bombing sparked three days of
violent protests outside the U.S. and British missions in Beijing. Tens of
thousands of demonstrators took to the streets of other major cities. The
U.S. consul's residence in Chengdu was torched.

Diplomats had predicted Beijing would reject
any explanation of the bombing as an error, partly because public opinion
would not allow it.

However, one Western diplomat said China's
rebuff to Pickering 

Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.

[Anonymous]

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Ric Carter wrote:

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 - Original Message -
 From: Robert Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   What hath Milocevic wrought?  Since taking power 12 years ago,
   he's accomplished a great deal for his people.  He's started
   and lost four wars.  He's overseen the total breakup of the
   old Republic of the Southern Slavs, 'balkanized' into its
   constituent components.  He's seen Serbs expelled from those
   breakaway states by the hundreds of thousands, seen thousands
   more suffer from atrocities at the hands of vengeful non-Serbs
   in retribution for the atrocities of Serb soldiers and militias.
   He's given the remaining Serbs a land that's shrunken, shattered,
   impoverished, emasculated, isolated, reviled; its infrastructure
   destroyed; its fields and waters poisoned; its literati purged;
   its role as a regional power minimized.  He's fucked the Serbs.

You have got this ass backwards. This isn't a case of Milosevic
doing. It is a case of what Germany and US/NATO have done to
Yugoslavia while thug Milosevic, a nationalist, was fighting to
prevent
the breakup of his country.

I have no sympathy for thug politicians, but the Serbs don't deserve
to
have their country stolen out from under them and then physically
devastated.

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Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.

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Ric Carter wrote:

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 From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  When finished, the map of Europe will be a patchwork bearing little
  resemblance to the national borders we've become used to
 
  Divide and conquer.  No rival "superstates" possible if they're all
  "ministates."

 In a wired world, territorial entities are at a terrible disadvantage
 compared to virtual/corporate entities.

This is an absurd statement. This is a geek's idea of the "Kingdom of
Heaven."

 The 'state', mini or maxi,
 is a nice fat target.  It can't take evasive action.  "It ain't going
 anywhere soon."  A virtual entity can relocate quickly.  Territorial
 states are dinosaurs, too sluggish to survive in a fast-paced world.

You may live in virtual reality, but everyone else still lives in the
real world.

There is little difference between the fantasies of religionists and
the fantasies of geeks ( not Greeks ). The common thread is unreality.

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Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.

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Ric Carter wrote:

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 From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   What hath Milocevic wrought?  Since taking power 12 years ago,
   he's accomplished a great deal for his people.  He's started
   and lost four wars.  He's overseen the total breakup of the
   old Republic of the Southern Slavs, 'balkanized' into its
   constituent components.
 
  I don't think that Milocevic wishes to start any wars. Why would you
  suggest that he wished to start them? Do you have evidence that it
  was he that started these wars?

 Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosova.  Yugoslav/Serb
 troops and paramilitaries attack, and eventually lose.  Slobby
 controls those troops, ergo, Slobby started and lost the wars.
 Give him enough time, and pretty soon, there's no 'there' there.

 The question remains: who was/is Milocevic working for?

In all these places, an outside power began to support a secessionist
movement by a different ethnic group.

This is how Yugoslavia a multicultural patchwork country was broken
into
bite sized pieces. Slobo was defending his territory.

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Re: [CTRL] America: who Stole the dream and what went wrong?

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In a message dated 06/18/1999 5:33:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I am baffled when I read criticism such as that form Holman W. Jenkins
Jr.,
 a Wall Street Journal columnist: 

That sort of says it right there.  The Wall Street Journal sold out long
before any other newspaper.  When they lied in their news to please the
Reagan-Bush administrations, it didn't take a rocket scientist to realize
where their loyalties were.  Now if that paper serves you, read it, but read
it like all other conservative material (or liberal either for that matter),
with a grain of salt.  Prudy

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[CTRL] The Pope and the NWO

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http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/rc100.htm

The Bent Cross Crucifix versus the Traditional Crucifix
Please notice the Crucifix that Pope John Paul II is holding up to the
people, at left. Study it closely, and you will realize that it is not a
Traditional Crucifix, as we show below. Rather, this Crucifix is known as a
"Bent Cross". But, what does that mean? For the answer to that question, let
us turn to a Roman Catholic author, Piers Compton, writing in his book, "The
Broken Cross: Hidden Hand In the Vatican", Channel Islands, Neville
Spearman, 1981.
This Bent Crucifix is "... a sinister symbol, used by Satanists in the sixth
century, that had been revived at the time of Vatican Two. This was a bent
or broken cross, on which was displayed a repulsive and distorted figure of
Christ, which the black magicians and sorcerers of the Middle Ages had made
use of to represent the Biblical term 'Mark of the Beast'. Yet, not only
Paul VI, but his successors, the two John-Pauls, carried that object and
held it up to be revered by crowds, who had not the slightest idea that it
stood for anti-Christ." (p. 72) On page 56 Compton prints a picture of the
current Pope, John Paul II, holding this bent or broken cross, just as we
have shown, at left.
Therefore, Pope John Paul II is telling all the occultists the world over
that he is not a Traditional Pope, but a Pope that is committed to carrying
out the role of World Religious Leader as called for in the New World Order
Plan. Another Roman Catholic author, Malachi Martin, makes this same claim -
that Pope John Paul II is committed to the New World Order Plan in his book,
"The Keys To This Blood" ../review/rv153.html.
Since a picture is worth a thousand words, we have printed the Traditional
Crucifix, to the right. As you can see, the cross here is not bent in any
way, top or bottom. Further, the picture of Jesus Christ is a full figure
without any kind of distortion or disfiguration! The Traditional Roman
Catholic Crucifix is very, very different from the "Bent Cross", above.
We Protestants have always objected to the Traditional Crucifix, because it
holds Jesus Christ up to continual shame, which is forbidden in Hebrews 6:6.
Indeed, this is the basis upon which we Protestants object to the entire
Mass, but that is the subject of another article.
As you can see, the Crucifix which Pope John Paul II is holding up to
adoring crowds is not the Traditional Crucifx, but is the Satanic Bent, or
Broken, Cross! This Bent Crucifix was created by Satanists to depict
Antichrist and his Mark of the Beast! Very soon, you will see the appearance
of a global leader, calling himself The Christ, who will claim to be Jesus
Christ returned, the Jewish Messiah, and the Avatar figure for which all the
major religions are awaiting, all in one man. This will be Antichrist. Then,
very quickly thereafter, a global religious leader will step forward to aid
the Antichrist; this religious leader will possess the same miraculous power
of Antichrist. At this moment, the prophecy of Revelation 13:11-14 will be
fulfilled; this global religious leader will be the Biblical False Prophet.
The New World Order Plan calls for this global religious leader [False
Prophet] to be the Roman Catholic Pope, and certainly, John Paul II's use of
this Satanic Bent Cross is consistent with this part of the Plan. But, if it
is Pope John Paul II who steps forth to aid The Christ [Antichrist], you
will know the truth about this Pope and his entire Roman Catholic Church.
You have been forewarned. A picture is worth a thousand words, and this Bent
Cross picture labels Pope John Paul II.
To see other obvious Satanic symbols being openly used by the Roman Catholic
Church, click here ../n1034.html.

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If you would like to become Born Again, and come to know this wonderful
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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3

[Anonymous]

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In a message dated 06/18/1999 9:03:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 * IS ORAL SEX SAFE DURING PREGNANCY? Don't blow into pregnant women:
   http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=13380 

Don't blow into any woman or for that matter any human being.  Some years ago
a man inadvertantly killed his partner that way.  Air of any type can be
deadly to the human body and the death is virtually instantaneous.  Assinine
play with an air hose or air gun can also be fatal in the same way.  I would
assume the charge would be man slaughter or murder.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] False Opposition of Conservative Organizations]

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from:
 http://www.thenation.com/issue/960826/0826side.htm

Sidebar: Petrodollar Scholars


Billionaire oilmen Charles and David Koch are fast joining the Scaifes, the
Olins, the Bradleys and the Smith-Richardsons as major funding sources for
the conservative movement's powerful "third stream" of political money,
channeled from philanthropic foundations into right-wing causes. The Koch
foundations now lavish $4 million to $5 million a year on anti-regulatory
"free market" think tanks and other groups.

At a recent conference, Koch Industries vice president Richard Fink outlined
the Kochs' strategy of investing in each stage of idea development -- from
academic research and the recruitment of young scholars, to think tanks for
refining ideas into policy, to "implementation" groups that push the
concepts into reality. "We at the Koch Foundation view them as complementary
institutions, each critical for social transformation," Fink stated.

To advance their goals, the Kochs have entered into a pragmatic alliance
with Republican politicians. In the early 1990s, for instance, the Kochs
gave $300,000 to Citizens for Congressional Reform, which was supporting
state initiatives to impose Congressional term limits, then a key G.O.P.
tactic for breaking Democratic control of Congress. The Kochs did so even
though term limits would seem to conflict with their libertarian philosophy.

The Koch-founded Cato Institute, too, has expanded its Washington influence
by working with G.O.P. free-market devotees such as House majority leader
Dick Armey. From 1986 to 1994, the three Koch foundations gave Cato $11.9
million as the think tank attacked social welfare programs and government
handouts.

In 1984 Fink founded a new anti-regulatory group, Citizens for a Sound
Economy, which has received more than $9.3 million from Koch foundations.
C.S.E. is now an important weapon in the assault on government interference
in business, from environmental rules to agencies testing foods and
medicines. C.S.E. is now chaired by C. Boyden Gray, President Bush's White
House counsel.

With Koch Industries a major oil company, the Kochs' investment in C.S.E.
has paid dividends to the corporate bottom line. In 1993, C.S.E. organized
national pressure against President Clinton's proposed energy tax, known as
the B.T.U. tax. "Our belief is that the tax, over time, may have destroyed
our business," Fink told The Wichita Eagle. While the Koch foundations could
not legally lobby against the tax, C.S.E. rallied public opposition,
especially in Oklahoma, where then-Senator David Boren agreed to help kill
it.

C.S.E. has served as a direct Republican resource, too. In 1995 Bob Dole
asked Gray to write the G.O.P. regulatory reform bill, Congressional
Quarterly reported. The initiative sought a broad rollback of government
regulations and contained a provision to undercut the E.P.A.'s enforcement
of antipollution laws. Noting a pending environmental suit against Koch
Industries, some critics claimed the clause could have shielded the company
from liability. The rollback bill was stopped by a Democratic filibuster.


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From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Friday, June 18, 1999 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] False Opposition of Conservative
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From: Robert Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Anyone have any info on who funds the Cato Institute?


He was the vice-presidential nominee in 1976 for the Libertarian Party. He
was a Texas oil millionaire ((I think his name is Kocke 

Re: [CTRL] About newsletter

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Another suggestion divide the group into subgroups, such as CTRL Political,
CTRL Medical  etc.

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Re: [CTRL] [prj] Regarding O.J.

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No need to question DNA testingjust the lying scum police that took
OJ's blood to the crime scene!
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that the chances are maybe like a fraction of a percent,
but who says that that the fraction of a percent instance
when DNA evidence is wrong cannot apply to the O.J. case,
especially when the defense made a reasonable case that the
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[CTRL] Fw: How They Rule

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 American Dissident Voices Broadcast of June 19, 1999

 How They Rule
 by Dr. William Pierce

 You know, it's a frustrating and infuriating thing watching Clinton and
 his crew of nation-wreckers gloating over their successful bullying of
 Serbia. Madeleine has been screeching and squawking like the Wicked
 Witch of the West, and Bill has been wagging his finger at the Serbs,
 looking serious, and telling them that they will not get a cent to help
 them repair the damage done by NATO until they get rid of Slobodan
 Milosevic and choose an "approved" president.

 You know, I was pretty disappointed in Milosevic for caving in to the
 NATO gangsters, and I was about to write him off. I mean, what can you
 expect from a former communist? But if Clinton and his Jews hate
 Milosevic so much, then maybe there's something good about him after
 all. I remember how the Clinton gang a few years ago was applying
 pressure to Russia in every way it could to get Boris Yeltsin elected
 and then reelected. The message was essentially, "No loans from the
 West unless Boris is your president."

 I've said this before, but it's a pretty good rule to remember, a rule
 which has been confirmed over and over again by events: If the Jews
 hate someone, then he can't be all bad, and anyone they praise in
 public needs to be shot as quickly as possible.

 Anyway, it's pretty much out in the open now how the New World Order
 gang intend to get control of things: they wreck a country with bombs
 and missiles -- or they simply steal its wealth without using bombs
 and missiles; then when the country's people are sufficiently miserable
 and desperate, they hold out the offer of money for rebuilding if the
 people will elect the leaders chosen by the gangsters. That's what they
 call democracy: the will of the people -- the will of the Chosen
 People, that is. And of course, it's our money, our hard-earned tax
 money, that's used for the bribes to subvert the democratic process in
 other people's countries. In Russia they used communism and corruption
 -- stealing -- to bankrupt the country, and then when it was bled dry
 they began clearing out for Israel and the United States. In Serbia
 there were very few of the Chosen People to start with, so they used
 bombs and missiles to wreck the country: faster that way.

 They're even collecting subsidiary benefits from Russia and Ukraine now:
 an estimated 2,000 attractive young Russian and Ukrainian women every
 year are taken to Israel by the Chosen People and forced into
 prostitution.

 That's not my estimate, by the way; the figure of 2,000 Russian and
 Ukrainian women a year comes from the Jerusalem Post. I'm reading now
 from a copy of the December 28, 1998, issue of the Jerusalem Post:
 -- quote -- "Women are sold into the sex business in Israel for
 between $5,000 and $15,000, while the pimps who buy them can earn
 between $10,000 and $50,000 a year per woman According to the Israel
 Women's Network, 2,000 women are brought to Israel a year from the CIS
 and forced to work as prostitutes." -- end quote -- "CIS" is an
 abbreviation for Commonwealth of Independent States, primarily Russia
 and Ukraine.

 You know, the Clinton government is full of "humanitarians" who
 justified their destruction of Serbia on the grounds that the Serbs were
 persecuting the Albanians in Serbia. When do you think these
 "humanitarians" will get around to doing something about the persecution
 of Russian and Ukrainian women in Israel? Did you know that it is legal
 to buy and sell human beings in Israel today? Non-Jewish human beings,
 that is.

 If the New World Order bribery is successful in Serbia-- "we'll lend you
 money for repairing the damage we did with our bombs and missiles if you
 get rid of Milosevic and choose the right president for your country,"
 was the way Mr. Clinton so subtly put it on television the other day --
 if the New World Order gang get one of their creatures in to run
 Yugoslavia like they got Boris Yeltsin in to run Russia, then I expect
 that we'll see a steady stream of attractive, young Serb women being
 smuggled out of Serbia while corrupt Serb officials look the other way,
 being taken to Israel, and providing even more $50,000-a-year-per-woman
 business opportunities for enterprising young Jewish businessmen that
 the Jerusalem Post can write about.

 You know, the wrecking crew did their job on America back in the 1960s
 -- actually from the late 1950s through the mid-1970s -- not with
 missiles and bombs, but just as effectively with television and the
 music industry and their influence in our universities. Among young
 people they promoted marijuana and LSD and beads and long hair and the
 idea that the world owes us all a living, and we owe respect to nothing.
 They gave us all sorts of new "civil rights" laws and "affirmative
 action" and wide-open borders, so that the wretched refuse of the Third
 World's teeming shores could come 

[CTRL] THE ROCKEFELLER / HERITAGE CONNECTION

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 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998
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 ( BFcomments by batesfam )

 Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998

 THE ROCKEFELLER / HERITAGE CONNECTION

 The Money Trail of the New Right Leads to the Edge of the Cliff

 by Chey Simonton, August 12, 1995

 Revised January 22, 1998

 To understand why various "Conservative / Christian" organizations
 in Washington State as well as every other state in the nation have
 been less than stunning in their battle for Parents Rights and
 Family Values in public education, it is necessary to examine the
 financial contributions or "scientific giving" and patronage of the
 Rockefeller family, through their family members,  various
 businesses and foundations to social causes over the past century.
 Bearing in mind that, "He who pays the piper calls the tune," a
 singleminded piper with very deep pockets can control ALL the
 tunes, regardless of which band is playing.

 We'll start with history from a century ago.  One of the early
 philanthropies of the Rockefellers was the 1903  creation and
 funding of the General Education Board that focused on controlling
 education of minority populations in the rural south.  During these
 early days of involvement they also founded and funded Columbia
 Teachers College in New York City to train teachers in the new
 science of behavioral psychology pioneered by Wundt in Leipzig and
 John B. Watson here in the U.S.  The Rockefeller children had
 their personal education supervised by the well-known humanist/
 socialist progressive educator, John Dewey.  After the successful
 Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 Dewey spent considerable time in the
 newly created USSR and helped the brand new commissars devise their
 school system.

 In 1921 the Council on Foreign Relations was founded by the
 global-minded Rockefellers and other likeminded individuals.  There
 has been a cloud of controversy surrounding the CFR since it's
 inception.  Great personal wealth and a drive for power in all
 spheres of society and business have been the hallmark of it's
 membership from the beginning.  If there is an "Elite" in our
 representative republic, the membership of the CFR represents the
 "Elite", if only to themselves.  The list of media moguls,
 appointed and elected national politicians, military leaders, etc.
 goes on for pages and pages.  These people, through elected and
 appointed positions, have been "leading" this nation since the
 1920s and if anyone considers the decline of America to have begun
 60 years ago, various members of the CFR can be "thanked" for it.
 Regarding CFR members' participation in setting up the United
 Nations at the close of WWII,

   "...who would shape American policy in the postwar era,
   the best and brightest of their time and place, but who,
   outside their own elite world, were virtually anonymous."
   (The Rockefellers: an American Dynasty," by Peter Collier
   and David Horowitz, 1976.)

 In the mid-1920s the Rockefeller's General Board of Education
 evolved into the International Bureau of Education and formed a
 partnership with UNESCO (the United Nations Education Scientific
 and Cultural Organization) when it was formed shortly after World
 War II.  The Rockefellers so strongly supported creation of the
 United Nations that they specially purchased then donated the New
 York City real estate where the towering UN is located.

 In 1948 the Rockefeller Foundation made a four year grant to
 Harvard University Department of Economics to develop a
 mathematically-based method for a totally predictable Planned
 Economy through social engineering techniques.  This program was
 called Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars technology.  It involves
 intensive control and manipulation of the masses through media,
 markets, advertising, labor and wages, and public education.
 (See Tech. Manual No. SW7905.1)

   BF Can anyone document this?  (Other than William Cooper,
   all due respects to the man, but I need original sources if
   anyone can provide it.

 In the early 1950s Tennessee Congressman, Carroll Reece, chaired an
 investigation into the subversive activities of tax-exempt
 foundations.  The overwhelming evidence compiled by Director of
 Research, Norman Dodd, was that the vast wealth of the foundations
 was being funneled into activities that promoted a socialist
 Anti-American worldview.  In 1953 Rowan Gaither, president of the
 Ford Foundation, personally confided to Norman Dodd,

   "The substance of the directives under which we operate is
   that we shall use our grant-making power to alter life in the
   United States so that we can be comfortably merged with the
   Soviet Union."

 (The directives emanated, according to Gaither, from the White
 Hou

Re: [CTRL] Liberal Conspiracy to Frame OJ--Liberal Patronizing Racism Exposed!

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from:

http://www.io.com/~hambone/arch/oj.html
The Florida/Hollywood Mob Connection, the CIA and O.J. Simpson (SEGMENT)

By Alex Constantine


I: Pizza Drippings on the Courtroom Floor
Joey Ip's Murder, Inc.
II: Meyer Lansky's Migratory Birds of Prey
1: F. Lee Bailey, Bad Eye Gerstein and BCCI
2: Joey Ip's Nubian Wiseguys and Denise Brown, the Grieving Gunsel



1 : Pizza Drippings on the Courtroom Floor
The shadow of Joey Ippolito falls across the courtroom, seeps into every
crack in the Simpson case. Yet his name is seldom mentioned. His father,
Joseph Ippolito, Sr., was in the pay of the syndicates Meyer Lansky, and a
soldier of Sam the Plumber DeCalvacante, who brought Joey into the league.
Little Man Lansky, of course, was no homunculus. He led the mob into an
alliance with the intelligence sector of government in WW II, and loomed
above much the Combination until his death in 1983. Today, Lansky's foot
soldiers march in step with Langley. CIA denials have been scuffed by too
many tongues over the years to be taken seriously (Campbell, Hoch, Pizzo,
et.al.).

Joey Ip's Murder, Inc. Joey Ippolito is second generation mafia, one of
several powerful successors of Meyer Lansky. He was born to a brood of nine
children. Joey's brother Frankie perished of a heart attack unloading a
crate of marijuana from an Eastern Airlines plane in New Jersey. His brother
Louie is a convict (Burdick). Ippolito's influence in the Combination is
felt from Philadelphia to Dade County, Florida to Southern California. A
former speedboat racer, he headed for California in 1988 after completing a
40-month prison sentence for marijuana smuggling. He opened, without
flourish, CentAnni, a fashionable Italian restaurant in Malibu, and
distributed cocaine in Santa Monica and Brentwood (Anastasia  Jennings).
The LAPD enjoys publicizing its efforts to frustrate the attempts of
organized crime to gain a foothold in Los Angeles (a Hooverism, since the
Mafia established roots in Southern California decades ago). The Organized
Crime Intelligence Division (OCID) even maintains a squad of operatives at
L.A. International Airport to intercept incoming mob figures at the
turnstile and send them packing (Lieberman). Presumably, Ippolito slipped
into town without drawing the attention of the OCID.

Another explanation, of course, is that certain Mafia figures are permitted
to thrive in L.A. There is even a question as to whether the OCID gives a
fig about organized crime. The division evolved from a unit called the
Political Disorder Intelligence Division, and retired OCID detective Mike
Rothmiller maintains that the priority is still politics, not the Mafia. The
division, to be sure, kept no files on organized crime at the time of
Rothmillers resignation, but did target liberal activists for surveillance,
spied on police in other departments, harassed opponents of former police
chief Daryl Gates and performed local services for the CIA (Rothmiller 
Goldman). Among Ippolito's distributors was bodybuilder Rod Columbo, his
life ended with three shots to the back of the head on January 7, 1992.
Columbo himself had been the leading suspect in the murder of cocaine dealer
Rene Vega in 1989. He worked in Malibu at CentAnni until the restaurant
folded in 1991. At this time Columbo began to travel extensively. His body
was found slumped over the wheel of a 1984 Cadillac in southern New Jersey.
LAPD Detective Lee Kingsford told reporters that the West Coast consensus
was that the murder had been drug related. A few months before the Columbo
killing, Ippolito fell under the scrutiny of Los Angeles police. The timely
death of a leading distributor eased his legal difficulties considerably.
Dante's Circle of Ippolito associates is not a lonely place. Another ranking
member of the Ippolito syndicate on this plane was John Steele, formerly the
mayor of Hallendale, Florida. Mayor Steele once placed a police station at
the subdivision where Meyer Lansky lived, at the gangster's request.
(Burdick). Joey Ippolito, who also lived in the high-security subdivision,
was arrested in Long Island in the early 80s with a dozen other marijuana
smugglers running eight tons of cannabis from a ship anchored offshore
(Burdick).

Another cog in Joey's dope machine was Donald Aronow, a friend of George
Bush and designer of the famous Cigarette speed boat, a high-speed favorite
of cocaine runners everywhere. Aronow, a wealthy Casanova with more
testosterone in his blood than Earnest Hemingway, built speedboats for the
Shah of Iran, Charles Keating (convicted of securities fraud in 1991 in a
case prosecuted by William Hodgman, a trial strategist in the Simpson case
he failed to mention for the record that Keating had extensive ties to the
CIA and Mafia. The judge in the Keating case was Lance Ito.) and 

Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.

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- Original Message -
From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Ric Carter wrote:
  From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   When finished, the map of Europe will be a patchwork bearing little
   resemblance to the national borders we've become used to
  
   Divide and conquer.  No rival "superstates" possible if they're all
   "ministates."
 
  In a wired world, territorial entities are at a terrible disadvantage
  compared to virtual/corporate entities.

 This is an absurd statement. This is a geek's idea of the "Kingdom of
 Heaven."

Watch those ad hominems.  You label my thesis [which I explain below]
'absurd', without supporting your contention.  Tsk tsk.

  The 'state', mini or maxi,
  is a nice fat target.  It can't take evasive action.  "It ain't going
  anywhere soon."  A virtual entity can relocate quickly.  Territorial
  states are dinosaurs, too sluggish to survive in a fast-paced world.

 You may live in virtual reality, but everyone else still lives in the
 real world.
 There is little difference between the fantasies of religionists and
 the fantasies of geeks ( not Greeks ). The common thread is unreality.

"Reality is whatever bites your ass" - that is, if it affects you, it's
real.  So, look at the power and wealth accrued by the larger multi-
national corporations, foundations and NGOs, compared with the wealth
and power available to all but the largest industrialized nations; and
judge for yourself just which is more vulnerable to attack: Mexico or
IBM, say; or Serbia and GE; or Malaysia and the Ford Foundation. 'Real'
vs 'virtual' states - whose personnel are better protected, better paid,
better served?  A nation-state is merely a non-profit corporation that's
long on real estate.  In a conflict between mobile and static entities,
who prevails?  Who has the most flexibility, most options, best cover?

Look, I don't especially LIKE this situation, but I can't help but see
that it EXISTS.  I'm reporting, not endorsing.

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Re: [CTRL] Memo on the Margin

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- Original Message -
From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
   Now that Texas Governor George W. Bush has decided officially to
   proclaim himself a "compassionate conservative," I'm finding myself
   somewhat surprised that the idea is spreading. Other Republicans want
   to be compassionate too. 

 Talk about your oxymorons.  Prudy

How does one distinguish between the rare "compassionate" conservative,
and all the insensitive, loutish, selfish, heartless, greedy, porcine
conservatives that abound?

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: How They Rule

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Well, here come the Nazis, compliments of Dr. Quack no doubt

Anyone want to buy any snakeoil.

Colleen

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Re: [CTRL] Socialized medicine: Cuba

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At 08:24 PM 6/16/99 -0700, nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


What do you care if Cuba has a good health care system for it's
citizens? You are not paying for it. Why try so hard to demean
it? You come off silly trying.

OK.  But silly trying to do what?

Silly trying to care if Cuba has a good health care system?
Silly trying not to pay for it?
Silly trying to demean it?


Cuba's system works for all of its
citizens, and your country's system only works for citizens with
money. Almost half the population has no health care, or insufficient
health care. In a 7 trillion dollar economy.

Joshua2


In other words, you are saying that Cuban health care is sufficient
health care.

OK.  Next time you have a bleeding hemmerhoid, read a Che Guevera
book and then go check into your Cuban neighborhood pre-natal care center.
Visa and Mastercharge not accepted, but a carton of Marlboro cigarettes
might move you ahead of all the ignorant peasants who don't have any
Communist Pary connections.


DBC

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Re: [CTRL] Liberal Conspiracy to Frame OJ--Liberal Patronizing Racism Exposed!

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Someday, OJ will be exonerated completely...he played golf in March
with Clinton, in June, his wife was deadmaybe OJ would not play the
game.was he to be another body bag

Does anyone wonder why OJ worried about the safety of his children...his
wife had so many hooks in her, she was trapped.

OJ has the patience of Jobin the end, they will find a Nazi Bible
Study Group, which consisted of certain LAPD police...like the Red Rose
in SA years ago.

Mark Fuhrman had written the book prior to the crime...the hero, the
liar, the little Nazi in disguise, who got tripped up.

I have patiencethe son kissed OJ, just like the kiss of death is
planted by a Judas from within...

Colleen

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Re: [CTRL] About newsletter

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Hey how about CTRL Conspiracyby their fruits you shall know
them...Quack Quack.

Medical stuff is fine, in particular if it is about these recent herbs
and non prescription drugs that have killed off  a lot of innocent
peopleand Viagra, is probably the most dangerous...I doubt Dole
really takes that stuff inasmuch as he takes High Blood Pressure
medication, and would be a bad rish presumable.however,  the poor
guy wants some sex appealas Mrs. Gore said recently  how sexy her
husband was.

Well, I hear the call of the wild Moose,  and if it looks like a Moose,
Talks like a Moose, Walks like  a Moose, it must be Al Gore.

Colleen

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #1

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SkeptiNews 990619a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No hyperlydian modes were constructed during production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Dutch Eyewitness Says Two Crop Circles Created By Pink-Purple Light. Bio-
  physicist W.C. Levengood theorizes that plants in some sampled formations
  were affected by a spinning plasma vortex containing microwave energies.
  The microwaves heat plant cells, softening  collapsing the stems into
  the fluid patterns we associate with genuinely mysterious formations. But
  Levengood doesn't know the source of a spinning plasma vortex. This eye-
  witness in Holland has now seen two different phenomena associated with
  the creation of fresh formations which suggests there might be different
  mechanisms for different patterns. http://www.earthfiles.com/earth038.html

: What forms of a plasma vortex or other energy flux could produce both the
standard and nonstandard crop-circles, AND rock-circles in desert areas, AND
plant- and kelp- and stump-circles found on sandy beach areas and offshore?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# FROM MARS, WITH LOVE. First, Mars seemed to greet NASA's mapping orbiter
  with a smile. Now, it seems as if the red planet has sent a valentine in
  one of the latest pictures from the spacecraft's camera. The image, which
  shows what appears to be a heart-shaped pile of gray dust, really reveals
  a pit formed by collapse in a straight-walled trough known as a graben.
  Graben are formed along fault lines by expansion of the bedrock terrain.
  Spectacular pictures: http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9906/18/surveyor.pix/

: Which are more significant: the Face on Mars, the Happy Face on Mars, the
Kermit the Frog on Mars, the Heart on Mars, other forms? Who is using such
figures to communicate with us? Was our cultural zeitgeist wired for them?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# EINSTEIN'S BRAIN: GRAYMATTER ANATOMY So scientists have studied Einstein's
  brain, and have developed some theories about how the anatomy of his brain
  shaped his thinking. We can get in real trouble overgeneralizing from one
  guy here. http://healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=13411
# Also: Einstein's Brain Found To Be Anatomically Distinct:
  http://www.jeffrense.com/health3/bigheadboy.htm
@ SO HOW DID EINSTEIN USE THAT BIG HEAD? Intuition/creativity or logic/math:
  http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=13421

: Is one example proof of anything? Does Einstein's brain fall within normal
distribution of human anatomy? Was he wired/mutated/seeded by aliens? How?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ THE POPE  THE NWO. The Bent Cross Crucifix vs. the Traditional Crucifix -
  Please notice the Crucifix that Pope John Paul II holds. Study it closely,
  and you will realize that it is not a Traditional Crucifix. Rather, this
  Crucifix is called a "Bent Cross". But what does it mean? The black magic-
  ians  sorcerers of the Middle Ages used it to represent the Biblical term
  'Mark of the Beast'. http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/rc100.htm

: Is pope JP2 aligned with Illuminati/Bilderberger sorcerers constructing a
NWO in accordance with Satanist principles? Is the NWO keyed on the Vatican?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# JUDGE DENIES BAIL FOR ACCUSED RADICAL SLA MEMBER. Bail was denied for the
  woman busted this week who cops say is fugitive Symbionese Liberation Army
  member Kathleen Ann Soliah. Ms. Soliah is accused of planting 2 pipe bombs
  under L.A. police cars in 1975; the bombs did not explode. Ms. Soliah, 52,
  lived a model life in St. Paul, Minnesota under the alias Sara Jane Olson:
  http://cnn.com/US/9906/19/SLAFugitive.ap/index.html

: At the time the SLA was active, suspicions were raised that it was a CIA
front, since its actions/doctrines weren't congruent with ANY progressive/
revolutionary groups. Why did she surface now? What's her part in the NWO?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Ray Gun Freezes Victims Without Causing Injury. Set your phasers to stun.
  The UK Ministry of Defence is looking at a "freeze ray" that may be able
  to stop people in their tracks without harming them. A prototype of the
  weapon has yet to be built but laboratory trials of the concept show that
  it could be ideal for peacekeeping forces or for police facing armed
  criminals. http://www.jeffrense.com/ufo4/raygun.htm

: Who would you like to freeze/stun? Who would you like to freeze stun you?
Will this enter the armory of kinky sex devices? Is it easier/cheaper/faster
than alien implants, mind-control rays, psychic control, prayer, vibrators?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiLinks:

# Moving Contrail Makes 90 Degree Turn: http://earthfiles.com/earth039.html
# Contrails  U.S. Government Interest: http://earthfiles.com/earth034.html
# Unident'd Aerial Craft In Contrails: 

[CTRL] Hanoi Jane gets Another Award

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When Jane Spoke Out
June 16, 1999

ANOTHER HONOR FOR JANE FONDA: At its national convention in
Washington, DC, next week, the American Association of University Women will
bestow its new Speaking Out for Justice Award on the famous actress and
aerobics queen. She is being hailed, the AAUW says, as "a committed activist
who champions the environment, human rights, and the empowerment of women and
girls."
To judge from the AAUWs two-page biography of its honoree, Fonda has
also
championed anti-gang efforts in California, rural villagers in Tanzania,
student theatrical work in Georgia, and open-space preservation in Montana.
The bio mentions the Oscar she won for her role in Klute, her "books,
cookbooks, and videos," her work on preventing teenage pregnancy, and the
Fonda Family Foundation, which promotes "gender, racial, and environmental
justice." It talks about the children's camp she used to run, it lists the
boards of directors she serves on, and it even has something to say about her
roles in The China Syndrome and 9 to 5.
But the AAUW document leaves a few things out. There is no mention of
Barbarella, for instance. Or of Ted Turner. Or of Jim Jones and his People's
Temple cult, which Fonda praised—a few months before the mass suicide in
Guyana—as "the church I relate to most" for its "sense of what life is all
about." Above all, the AAUW makes no reference to what was surely the most
dramatic illustration of the lengths this "committed activist" has been
willing to go in support of her ideals.
I am looking at a picture that ran in the New York Times on Sunday,
July
16, 1972. The photo shows Fonda clapping, with a wide grin on her face and
three cameras around her neck, as she watches a helmeted soldier operate an
antiaircraft gun. Six or seven other men, most of them in uniform, can be
seen as well.
The picture was taken in Southeast Asia. Fonda had flown over to
assist
the war effort—the North Vietnamese war effort. The rocket launcher she was so
gleefully applauding was used to shoot down US pilots. Fonda had come to
Hanoi to provide aid and comfort to a vicious dictatorship at war with the
United States, and specifically to assist in demoralizing American
prisoners of war. In a series of broadcasts for Radio Hanoi, Fonda
denounced "US imperialism," praised the valor of North Vietnamese, and
urged American GIs to disobey orders.
"I'm speaking particularly to the US servicemen," she said in one
broadcast. "I don't know what your officers tell you . . . but [your]
weapons are illegal and . . . the men who are ordering you to use these
weapons are war
criminals according to international law. In the past, in Germany and Japan,
men who committed these kinds of crimes were tried and executed."
Fonda's North Vietnam propaganda tour is rarely spoken of today. It is
considered churlish to bring it up, a sign that one is ideologically stunted,
a rigid Cold Warrior unwilling to let bygones be bygones.
But where is the integrity in giving Fonda a "Speaking Out for
Justice"
award without acknowledging what she said and did at the most outspoken
moment of her life? Fonda's behavior in 1972 was horrible, no less for its
disloyalty
than for its cruelty. She did more than applaud North Vietnam's antiaircraft
artillery. She also climbed into the gunner's seat, donned an enemy helmet,
and peered through the gunsight—"as if," Fred Cherry, a POW whose F-105 had
been blown out of the sky by just such a weapon, would later say, "she was
attempting to shoot down an American aircraft. . . . It was very upsetting
knowing an American celebrity was doing that kind of thing."
Even that wasn't the worst of it. POWs were tortured for refusing to
meet
with Fonda and pose for propaganda shots with her. Navy Captain David
Hoffman was hung by his broken arm from a hook in the ceiling until he
agreed to take part. Michael Benge, a civilian POW, was forced to kneel on
a concrete floor, arms extended, with a heavy metal rebar laid across his
hands; every time his arms sagged from the weight, he was whipped with a
bamboo cane.
Later, when the POWs came home and told what they had suffered in
Hanoi's
prison camps, Fonda called them "hypocrites and liars."
So far as I am aware, she has never apologized for that slander. Nor
for
championing a Communist victory in Southeast Asia. Nor for denouncing Joan
Baez in 1979, when the former antiwar activist asked Fonda to join her in
condemning the Communists' massive human-rights violations.
She did say—once—that she was sorry for the "men who were in Vietnam
who I
hurt." That was in 1988, when veterans' protests in New England were delaying
production of a movie she was making. Fonda went on 20/20 to tell Barbara

[CTRL] Fwd: attn:Kris Millegan

[Anonymous]

Dear Mr. Millegan,

I recently read your treatise and semi-chronology of "The Order of Skull and Bones" at www.parascope.com, and was impressed by your thoroughness, however, I feel there is something you may have missed and may now be interested in.  To the best of my knowledge, there are only two formal "Skull and Bones" chapters in America, and both have close ties with the DKE fraternity, the one at Yale and another at Louisiana State University(LSU).  The one at LSU goes by the name of "The Friars," but is in fact the "Skull and Bones," as all initiates learn.  In fact, when Bush was on the Campaign trail and spoke at an LSU Commencement, he went into the Friars Chapter room and as all Yale "S and B" members are allowed.  The reason you may find this interesting is that recent house speaker elect, Bob Livingston, was a member of this order, as was legendary Louisiana Politician, Huey Long.  The Long family and the Friars still exercise considerable power in Louisiana government, and would seem to further some of the assertions you made in your treatise. I hope you consider my points.  

Thank you,
James Gill





Dear Mr. Millegan,

I recently read your treatise and semi-chronology 
of "The Order of Skull and Bones" at www.parascope.com, and was impressed by your 
thoroughness, however, I feel there is something you may have missed and may now 
be interested in. To the best of my knowledge, there are only two formal 
"Skull and Bones" chapters in America, and both have close ties with the DKE 
fraternity, the one at Yale and another at Louisiana State 
University(LSU). The one at LSU goes by the name of "The Friars," but is 
in fact the "Skull andBones," as all initiates learn. In fact, when 
Bush was on the Campaign trail and spoke at an LSU Commencement, he went into 
the Friars Chapter room and as all Yale "S and B" members are allowed. The 
reason you may find this interesting is that recent house speaker elect, Bob 
Livingston, was a member of this order, as was legendary Louisiana Politician, 
Huey Long. The Long family and the Friars still exercise considerable 
power in Louisiana government, and would seem to further some of the assertions 
you made in your treatise. I hope you consider my points. 

Thank you,
James Gill

[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: OPERATION OPEN EYES, 5 Steps to Create a Manchurian Candidate

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Monday, June 07, 1999 11:00:25 PM
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From Rumor Mill News:

Mind Control in America
Five Easy Steps To Create
A Manchurian Candidate

  Introduction
Gunther Russbacher sent the original pieces  of this article  to his wife,
Rayelan in 1996. In December of  1996, Rayelan pieced together Gunther's
many letters, and published the original article on "Mind Control in
America" in the print edition of  Rumor Mill News.

Several days before the Columbine shootings, a man from Austria came to
California to meet with Rayelan and clear up some of the hard to understand
passages in the original article. The man said he was Gunther's boss in
Austrian Intelligence. Since Rayelan had never met Gunther's boss, the man
provided information  that only Rayelan, Gunther and Gunther Austrian
Intelligence superior would know.
The Austrian  told her  he had helped Gunther  write the first part of the
article on "Operation Open Eyes." The original article  was hand written by
Gunther and sent to Rayelan in several different letters. The man from
Austria said that he had personal knowledge of the 5 Levels of programming,
and that was the part of the article he had helped Gunther write.  The second
part of the original RMNews article was taken from other letters written  by
Gunther, alone.  The man from Austria said he could only correct the part
that he had helped write because he had no personal knowledge of Gunther's
own mind control experiences, or how the United States used  this method
of mind control.

Shortly after the Austrian met with Rayelan, the tragedy at Columbine
happened.  Rayelan now believes  that the Columbine killings were the
beginning of  the final push to take all guns out of  the hands of the
American people.  One month, to the day, after Columbine, another similar
shooting occurred in Georgia. These killings are not random acts of teenage
violence. These school killings are a planned, methodical attack on the
American Constitution and the freedom which is  enjoyed but  taken for
granted by citizens of the United States of America.

The method of the attack is  designed to inflame anger and hysteria in the
American public. The media  whips up the anger and hysteria and keeps it
fresh in America's mind,  with continual graphic, around the clock,
"overkill" coverage and commentary of the dead and wounded victims, the
pain and suffering of the families, and the traumatic scars left on America's
children. The President uses the hysteria of the moment to blame guns for the
problems in Americas schools and with America's children. In the heat of
hysteria, Congress is pressured to pass more guns laws.

The hysteria and anger towards guns, propelled by the President and the
media,  continues to sweep across America. No one in media or being
interviewed by the media, is allowed to speak rationally on the subject of
guns. Rational people are shouted down by talk show hosts, as in the
infamous Rosie O'Donnell interview with Tom Selleck. Members of
Congress who try to point out  the fact that existing gun laws don't work,
because the Clinton Administration doesn't enforce them, are portrayed by
the media as being "on the take" from the NRA.

No one is permitted to step back from the hysteria and  consider that all the
gun laws in the world, including a total destruction of all guns, could have
stopped what happened at Columbine.

If there were no guns available to the two young men and their accomplices
at Columbine, the killings  would have happened anyway. A gun was not
used to blow up the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Guns were not used
to kill the 800,000 Tsut Tsis who were killed in Ruwanda by the Hutus.

The children at Columbine and at the other schools across America were
killed by other children. The "child killers" used guns, but they could just
as
easily used machetes or bombs. The man who drove his pick up truck
through the window of Luby's restaurant in Killean, Texas used a high
powered assault rifle to murder dozens of people. He could just as easily
thrown a bomb through the restaurant window. The bomb would have killed
more people than the gun, and the killer would have escaped alive. But a
bomb would not have accomplished the first step in the planned take-over of
America. That first step is the elimination of all guns in the hands of the
American public!

Many of the mass murderers in the recent decade have committed suicide at
the 

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D. Scott Apel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New PKD Book

Hello!

 I found your name and e-mail address listed on a Philip K. Dick site, so
I hope you'll be interested in the information below. (Please forgive me
if this is a duplicate mailing. Although I am trying to contact fans of
PKD, sometimes the lists of names overlap.)

 I was a friend of Philip K. Dick's during the final years of his life. My
friend Kevin Briggs and I were fortunate enough to have performed a
massive eight-hour, 30,000 word interview with PKD when he was living in
Sonoma in mid-1977, and we became fast friends.

 Phil's untimely death affected me so deeply that in 1986 I put together a
"tribute volume" containing the full transcript of this interview, a
then-unpublished short story by PKD, an essay by Ray Nelson about
collaborating with Phil, a long piece by Robert Anton Wilson, and a couple
essays of my own. This limited-edition (500 copies) hardback, entitled
"Philip K. Dick: The Dream Connection," was very well received by PKD
fans, friends and reviewers alike.

 Due to the increasing interest in PKD's life and work over the past
decade, I have decided to reprint this volume. Now, I certainly don't want
to alienate anyone who might recoil in horror at even the faintest hint of
"commercialism" or "advertising" in an unsolicited e-mail, so this note
will not degenerate into a sales pitch. But I doubt if you would simply
stumble across this book if I didn't alert you to its existence.

 So I humbly suggest that if you're interested, you visit The Impermanent
Press web site --

 www.impermanentpress.com

 -- where you can find all the details you might want, including an
excerpt from the interview, critical comments about the first edition, and
a special pre-publication offer.

 I'm very proud of this book, and quite pleased to bring it back into
print after a dozen years. Phil's genius comes shining through in
virtually every page of the interview, and this is humorous and
compassionate wisdom that should not be lost. If nothing else, the
contents should provide fodder for some new discussion!

 And again, if I have offended you in any way by sending this unsolicted
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 Yours,

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Columbine Massacre  Coverup
Sun, 06 Jun 1999 23:49:23 -0600
JIM MEISINGER [EMAIL PROTECTED]

All facts appear to be absolutely correct. Not only was there a Major
general at the scene, QUICKLY, but there where CIA, NSA, MI6, NATO and
of course the Federal Bureau of Incompetence. Consider these points:

(1) I'm not convinced the two boys were the shooters, or the only
shooters. Many of the statements taken from other students state that
they DID NOT recognize the shooters
(2) Why are the STUDENTS who witnessed the shootings talking about
grenades, not Pipe Bombs? Because pipe bombs where not used! And it was
NOT the two students using them, but blackclothed terrorists from the ATF!
(3) They DID NOT commit sucicide. I believe, based on evidence I've
seen, that they where executed at the end of the shooting spree by
another operative.
(4) The ATF were OBSERVED planting two of the 30 lb. bombs found, by
Jefferson County Sheriff's deputies (a SGT. and a Captain) who are
scared witless by what they saw. And they
WILL NOT come out and talk about it.
(5) Why where FBI, ATF, CIA, NSA and NATO spooks on the scene at
Columbine literally within minutes of the (beginning of) shootings?
BECAUSE they knew about it before hand and where prepared and ready to
go, parked only a mile or two away!
(6) Not one so-called law enforcement official entered the school during
the shooting. Instead, they cowered outside behind fire engines like the
compromised cowards and traitors that they really are! Not ONE round was
fired by a Law Enforcement official!
(7) In conjunction with item 6, WHY where Law Enforcement officials
ORDERED, by FBI and ATF officers-in-charge, to NOT enter thebuilding
until AFTER the shooting stopped?

 The before mentioned facts have been testified to by many people
onsite - among them Law Enforcement officials, reporters and concerned
citizens. Whom are ALL being completely ignored? As I've told you
previously, I spent the day at Columbine, on the day following the
shooting, walking through the school as well. The scene was horrific,
and the affect was one of a very calculated, scripted event. Just like
Oklahoma City. There is absolutely no doubt that this was a
CIA/NSA/MI6/FBI operation. Through and through.


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OPERATION OPEN EYES, 5 Steps to Create a Manchurian Candidate
Monday, June 07, 1999 11:00:25 PM
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

From Rumor Mill News:

Mind Control in America
Five Easy Steps To Create
A Manchurian Candidate

  Introduction
Gunther Russbacher sent the original pieces  of this article  to his wife,
Rayelan in 1996. In December of  1996, Rayelan pieced together Gunther's
many letters, and published the original article on "Mind Control in
America" in the print edition of  Rumor Mill News.

Several days before the Columbine shootings, a man from Austria came to
California to meet with Rayelan and clear up some of the hard to understand
passages in the original article. The man said he was Gunther's boss in
Austrian Intelligence. Since Rayelan had never met Gunther's boss, the man
provided information  that only Rayelan, Gunther and Gunther Austrian
Intelligence superior would know.
The Austrian  told her  he had helped Gunther  write the first part of the
article on "Operation Open Eyes." The original article  was hand written by
Gunther and sent to Rayelan in several different letters. The man from
Austria said that he had personal knowledge of the 5 Levels of programming,
and that was the part of the article he had helped Gunther write.  The second
part of the original RMNews article was taken from other letters written  by
Gunther, alone.  The man from Austria said he could only correct the part
that he had helped write because he had no personal knowledge of Gunther's
own mind control experiences, or how the United States used  this method
of mind control.

Shortly after the Austrian met with Rayelan, the tragedy at Columbine
happened.  Rayelan now believes  that the Columbine killings were the
beginning of  the final push to take all guns out of  the hands of the
American people.  One month, to the day, after Columbine, another similar
shooting occurred in Georgia. These killings are not random acts of teenage
violence. These school killings are a planned, methodical attack on the
American Constitution and the freedom which is  enjoyed but  taken for
granted by citizens of the United States of America.

The method of the attack is  designed to inflame anger and hysteria in the
American public. The media  whips up the anger and hysteria and keeps it
fresh in America's mind,  with continual graphic, around the clock,
"overkill" coverage and commentary of the dead and wounded victims, the
pain and suffering of the families, and the traumatic scars left on America's
children. The President uses the hysteria of the moment to blame guns for the
problems in Americas schools and with America's children. In the heat of
hysteria, Congress is pressured to pass more guns laws.

The hysteria and anger towards guns, propelled by the President and the
media,  continues to sweep across America. No one in media or being
interviewed by the media, is allowed to speak rationally on the subject of
guns. Rational people are shouted down by talk show hosts, as in the
infamous Rosie O'Donnell interview with Tom Selleck. Members of
Congress who try to point out  the fact that existing gun laws don't work,
because the Clinton Administration doesn't enforce them, are portrayed by
the media as being "on the take" from the NRA.

No one is permitted to step back from the hysteria and  consider that all the
gun laws in the world, including a total destruction of all guns, could have
stopped what happened at Columbine.

If there were no guns available to the two young men and their accomplices
at Columbine, the killings  would have happened anyway. A gun was not
used to blow up the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Guns were not used
to kill the 800,000 Tsut Tsis who were killed in Ruwanda by the Hutus.

The children at Columbine and at the other schools across America were
killed by other children. The "child killers" used guns, but they could just
as
easily used machetes or bombs. The man who drove his pick up truck
through the window of Luby's restaurant in Killean, Texas used a high
powered assault rifle to murder dozens of people. He could just as easily
thrown a bomb through the restaurant window. The bomb would have killed
more people than the gun, and the killer would have escaped alive. But a
bomb would not have accomplished the first step in the planned take-over of
America. That first step is the elimination of all guns in the hands of the
American public!

Many of the mass murderers in the recent decade have committed suicide at
the 

Re: [CTRL] [3] Inside The League

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Hey jim, I ain't worried 'bout #$%^. It don't mean #$%^ to a tree.
You know Jim, ya really need to get your head into the sunlight and quit
being so feared. Peace not hate shall rule the day. You are very much
malinformed. Go take a bath.
Om
K

In a message dated 6/19/99 3:35:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hey, Kris! You're worried about a few remnants of the Iron Guard of Romania,
while the top dog Establishement "Jews" you're so worried about them
persecuting control the US governemnt and military, and are using it to
wreak Talmudic vengeance on countries like Iraq and Serbia? I HOPE there are
a few of that caliber of person left, PROVIDED they drop their naturalism,
and adopt a supernatural attitude -- in other words, to NEUTRALIZE the power
of these establishment Jews without violating their rights as persons. With
your obsession with these obscure groups who were, perhaps, imprudently
trying to defend their nations from the international Jews Henry Ford so
effectively described in his important book of the same name --- how about a
little equal time exposing "the world Rulers of this darkness" -- i.e.
Judeo-Masonry and its hieraarchy of traitors and murders, like the ABC's of
America's decline: Albright, Berger, Cohen, et al. ?? However, all your
posts such as these are valuable historically, but I flat out don't believe
some of the smears against the Iron Guard in the passages your producing --
sounds like the Jewish victors writing history THEIR way -- just like the
evil Ted Koppel is doing every night from Serbia on ABC's treacherous
Nightline program. Jim Condit Jr.
--
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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[CTRL] Fwd: S99-111, Peace 5 (June 18, 11:30PM EDT) - A Special TiM GW Bulletin on NATO's Kosovo War and Peace

[Anonymous]

FROM SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA

All 110 earlier Special Truth in Media Global Watch Bulletins on NATO's war
on Serbia can also be seen at our Web site: www.truthinmedia.org, along
with numerous photos and other memorable images from this war. 

Issue S99-111, "Peace" 5
--
June 18, 1999; 11:30PM EDT

HEADLINES 

Kosovo  1. Serb Patriarch Heads for Kosovo to Stem Serb Exodus

Kosovo  2. Serb Nuns Beaten, Tortured by Albanians at Devic
Monastery

Helsinki 3. Russia Does It to Serbia Again, Yielding to NATO

Belgrade4. Yugoslav Military Downed 61 NATO Aircraft?

San Diego  5. Col. Hackworth: What Victory?

--

1. Serb Patriarch Heads for Kosovo to Stem Serb Exodus

KOSOVO, June 18 - Displaying the kind of leadership which we have come to
expect only from the bravest of the warriors, the frail, 84-year old
Serbian spiritual leader, Patriarch Pavle, said  he would move to Kosovo in
a show of solidarity with the region's Serb minority.  

The Patriarch declared this one day after the Holy Synod of the Serbian
Orthodox Church demanded Slobodan Milosevic's resignation (see S99-109,
"Peace" 3, June 15), as up to 50,000 Serb refugees were fleeing the NATO
"peace process," according to a front page story in the USA TODAY (today,
June 18).

Patriarch Pavle appealed to Serbs and their fellow Orthodox Montenegrins
"not to leave your centuries-old hearths and your holy places" in Kosovo,
the birthplace of Serbian culture.  He said he would travel to the western
Kosovo city of Pec (the seat of the old Serb Patriarchate), and stay there
for an extended period "with all my spiritual children and all well-meaning
people living there.'' 

Pec, controlled now by Italian NATO "peacekeepers," has been the spiritual
seat of the Serbian Orthodox Church since 1346 (i.e., since before the
Kosovo Battle in 1389).
-

2. Serb Nuns Beaten, Tortured by Albanians at Devic Monastery

KOSOVO, June 18 - Ethnic Albanian terrorists took over the Serb Devic
(female) monastery right after the Yugoslav police withdrew, as provided by
the NATO "peace process." The Albanians beat and tortured the nuns,
according to the Mother Superior, Anastasia.  

The Albanians threatened the youngest nuns mostly, but the unity of
sisterhood and courage of the Mother Superior saved their “Angel image”, as
the Orthodox Christians understand monastic oath for celibacy. 

The confessor of the sisterhood of Devic monastery, old Fr. Seraphim, was
forced by the Albanians to carry a heavy load of monastery food and
inventory, by day and by night.  The monastery has been "totally looted,"
according to Serb sources.

The ethnic Albanians desecrated and destroyed the altar of the Monastery
church, and damaged the fresco paintings in it.  The relics of St.
Joanikije of Devic, the greatest sanctity of the Monastery Devic, were also
ruined. 

Today, a French K-FOR command decided that 10 of its soldiers should remain
at the Devic monastery to protect the nuns from further harassment.
Patriarch Pavle is also expected to visit the monastery today. 

His most recent visit was in January, when he was also stopped and
mistreated by armed ethnic Albanians. (see our report about that incident,
as told to the TiM editor by the Patriarch Pavle himself, during this
writer's visit to Belgrade in late April -
www.truthinmedia.org/Kosovo/day24up1.html).
-

3. Russia Does It to Serbia Again, Caving in to NATO

HELSINKI, June 18 - After a brief, flash-in-a-pan, stand off at the
Pristina airport with the world's most powerful military alliance, the
Russian quisling government today meekly caved in and agreed to its
assigned role of being a waterboy to NATO's "peacekeeping" force in Kosovo.  

If in doubt about this characterization of today's agreement signed in
Helsinki by the U.S. secretary of defense, William Cohen, and the Russian
defense minister, Igor Sergeyev, just listen to an American negotiator in
this deal gloat, according to today's Washington Post:

"We got what we needed in that there will be no Russian sector, no
partition and no alternative to a unified NATO command structure," a senior
Clinton administration official told the Washington Post today. "The
Russians finally realized those were red lines that none of the allies
would cross." 
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TiM Ed.: So they folded their tents, and sold the Serbs out.  Again.  Just
as Viktor Chernomyrdin and Slobodan Milosevic did it in their initial
"peace agreement" (see S99-100, Day 72, Update 2, June 3).
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The deal will allow 3,000 Russian soldiers to patrol sectors of the
southern Serbian province controlled by American, French and German troops.
 Cohen and Sergeyev acknowledged the agreement raises the stakes in the
Russian-NATO relationship because the two sides are now clearly embedded in
a long-term strategic partnership to stabilize the southern Balkans,
Europe's most 

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[CTRL] Fwd: The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #95

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  The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #95 -- June 18, 1999
   A Publication of the Drug Reform Coordination Network

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TABLE OF CONTENTS

1.  Reformers Slandered, Harassed and Threatened at House
Subcommittee Hearings on "Legalization"
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/095.html#slanderandthreats

2.  Juvenile Justice Bill Expected to Pass with Worst
Provisions Intact
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/095.html#juvjustice

3.  Swiss Vote Again to Continue Heroin Experiment
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/095.html#swissheroin

4.  Palliative or Repressive?  Conservative-Sponsored
Legislation Impacts on Pain, Suicide and Drug Policy
Debates
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/095.html#painbill

5.  Asset Forfeiture Reform Bill Moves to House Floor
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/095.html#forfeiturebill

6.  Geraldo Rivera Drug War Report This Weekend (6/20)
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/095.html#geraldoreport

7.  Newsbriefs
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/095.html#newsbriefs

8.  RESOURCES:  Kids and Drug Education, Drug Control
Strategies, Medical Marijuana Report, Hemp Video
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/095.html#resources

9.  New Research Finds Marijuana Offenders Crowding Nation's
Prisons and Jails
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/095.html#marijuanaprisoners

10. Canadian Senator Urges Drug Policy Review, Endorses
Legalization of Marijuana, "Soft" Drugs
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/095.html#canadareview

11. Errata on Breyer Appointment
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/095.html#breyer

12. EDITORIAL:  U.S. House of Repression
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/095.html#editorial



1. Reformers Slandered, Harassed and Threatened at House
   Subcommittee Hearings on "Legalization"

On Wednesday (6/16), the Committee on Government Reform's
Subcommittee on Criminal Justice, Drug Policy and Human
Resources held a hearing titled: "The Pros and Cons of Drug
Legalization, Decriminalization and Harm Reduction."  True
to form, the "hearing" was less an informed inquiry into
possible alternatives to this nation's failed drug policy
than a dog and pony show in which defenders of current
policy accused reformers of seeking to increase youth access
to drugs and during which reformers were subjected to
harassment, ridicule and both implied and overt threats of
official reprisals for their views.

First to testify was the director of the Office of National
Drug Control Policy, Drug Czar Barry McCaffrey.  McCaffrey
sought to claim the moral high ground early by contrasting
"the legalizers" with the vast majority of Americans who are
"against drug abuse."  He followed this up with a laundry
list of the harms associated with such abuse.

But McCaffrey's willingness to mislead with regard to
reformers was not enough for several of the subcommittee
members.  They wanted action.

Representative John Mica (R-FL), the subcommittee chairman,
asked McCaffrey whether any part of the $195 million
Partnership for a Drug Free America ad campaign would be
used to oppose medical marijuana and other reform
initiatives.  McCaffrey answered that it would not.

Pre-eminent in the minds of the Republicans on the committee
was the involvement of major funders, particularly George
Soros, in the drug policy reform movement.  At one point,
Mica asked McCaffrey whether he had ever spoken to Soros
personally, noting, incredibly "I would be interested in
what his motivations are, and also the question of where his
money is coming from."

Mr. Soros, of course, is perhaps the world's best-known
currency speculator.  His non-profit entity, the Open
Society Institute, is dedicated to fostering the free flow
of information and the airing of debate.  Soros, whose
family fled both the Nazis and the Communists, has long been
an advocate of the theory that information is the enemy of
oppression.  To that end, he spent several years before the
fall of the Iron Curtain sending communications equipment
including copy and fax machines into Eastern Europe.

As if to justify Soros' long and generous fight for the
ideals of free and open debate, Bob Barr (R-GA) suggested to
McCaffrey that he urge the Justice Department to look into
the possibility of "prosecuting 

[CTRL] NASA Lied Again: Hubble Moon Photos Found

[Anonymous]

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NASA Lied Again - Hubble Moon Photos Found

See:
http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/pr/1999/14/pr-photos.html

The Space Telescope Science Institute (STSI) released pictures of a
celestial object that most people thought the Hubble telescope was not
allowed to view: our own Moon. - Sky and Telescope Magazine. Many People
have requested NASA to cause the Hubble Space Telescope to be pointed
towards the Moon and send back high resolution pictures of any or all of
the alleged Apollo Lunar landing sites showing any equipment left behind
such as the LEM pads, or anything large enough to be spotted by the HST at
an average distance of perhaps 1.28 billion feet, which is an average of
about 15,400,000,000 inches distance from Earth. NASA objected stating, the
Moon is too bright, commonly followed-up by, the Hubble can't focus on
something that close [250,000 miles?]. We knew that this was a lie since
the HST has sufficient resolution to return exquisitely clear images of the
Lunar landscape, considering that even a "speck" of sunlight glinting off
the raw image of an LEM pad would be quite satisfactory to settle the
Apollo Lunar Landing Hoax question once and for all. Positive evidence has
turned up that indeed NASA  Co. have been lying all along about this Moon
is too bright/too close balderdash. I'd just like to say... See?... I told
you so.

HEY NASA! Now that we know you CAN do it... how about taking high
resolution close up photos using the Hubble Telescope of the following
alleged Apollo landing locations on the Lunar surface: Mare Tranquillitatis
0.67N - 23.49E, Oceanus Procellarum 3.20S - 23.38W, Fra Mauro 3.67S -
17.47W, Hadley Rille 26.10N - 3.65E, Descartes 8.99S - 15.51E,
Taurus-Littrow 20.16N - 30.76E

What lie will NASA tell now? For background information see:

MAJESTYTWELVE:  http://www.harvest-trust.org/majestyt.htm


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all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers
control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they
love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned, in
present-day totalitarian states, to ministries of propaganda, newspaper
editors and schoolteachers The greatest triumphs of propaganda have
been accomplished, not by doing something, but by refraining from doing.
Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is
silence about truth."
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[CTRL] Fw: Liberal Conspiracy to Frame OJ--Liberal PatronizingRacismExposed!

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 Someday, OJ will be exonerated completely...

Who the hell cares about that wife-beating, adulterous,
cocaine sniffing O.J. Simpson???He's a disgrace!
For God's sake, he was found NOT guilty.   You
O.J. lovers act like he was found guilty and you're
trying to prove he was innocent.   You should be
happy that your buddy got away with cold blooded
murder and let it go at that.   Most people are sick of
hearing about the stupid s.o.b. and his golf scores!

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Liberal Conspiracy to Frame OJ--Liberal PatronizingRacismExposed

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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
 Someday, OJ will be exonerated completely...

Who the hell cares about that wife-beating, adulterous,
cocaine sniffing O.J. Simpson???He's a disgrace!
For God's sake, he was found NOT guilty.   You
O.J. lovers act like he was found guilty and you're
trying to prove he was innocent.   You should be
happy that your buddy got away with cold blooded
murder and let it go at that.   Most people are sick of
hearing about the stupid s.o.b. and his golf scores!


anyone idiotic enough to even have an opinion on this has their head up
their a**, because everything that nearly anyone knows about this was
given by the media and they have proven innumerable times that they are
party lackies. were you there? then shutup. your dalliance in the
certainties of your opinions provide matrix wherein the innocent are
incarcerated every day and the guilty walk off with impunity. remember the
saying obout opinions and assholes and no, i could care less, how god
split you.

hello

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: How They Rule

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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:

Well, here come the Nazis, compliments of Dr. Quack no doubt

Anyone want to buy any snakeoil.

Colleen


wasn't he going to name me in the big lawsuit he was going to bring
against you? i have not heard a thing about it. i can't say just how
disappointed i am. i guess some people just say things that they don't
really mean. is he still posting or did he just go away. either way; isn't
the silence pleasant?

chris

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Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.

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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
You may live in virtual reality, but everyone else still lives in the
real world.

There is little difference between the fantasies of religionists and
the fantasies of geeks ( not Greeks ). The common thread is unreality.

-
Joshua2
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spoken by the expert on unreality. not everyone can wear it but your feet
look natural in your mouth. do they live there? maybe you could have your
tongue carpeted and save on the wear and tear.

did you go to school to learn to look that stoopid because you have really
mastered that look.

look at the bright side; you have the rest of your life to live it down.

HA! what a maroon.

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[CTRL] FW:** URGENT ACTION ITEM ** - Asset Forfeiture Vote

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Bard

Federal Government defined:
a benefit/subsidy protection racket!

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U.S. House will vote Wednesday on bill
to reform asset-forfeiture laws

*** Immediate action required! Telephone your House
representative immediately.

Friends:

 The U.S. House of Representatives is scheduled to vote on
Wednesday, June 23, on a bill that would dramatically reform
civil asset-forfeiture laws, which allow the government to
confiscate the property of innocent Americans without even
charging them with a crime. We are asking everyone who receives
this message to *immediately* contact your House representative
and ask him or her to vote YES on HR 1658, The Civil Asset
Forfeiture Reform Act of 1999, sponsored by Rep. Henry Hyde,
R-IL.

 BACKGROUND:

 Congress began enacting asset forfeiture laws in 1970 to
permit the government to seize the property of the Mafia and
major drug smugglers without having to convict them in court.
Such laws have spread like wildfire since then -- currently
there are over 200 on the federal books. Last year, the Justice
Department confiscated 42,454 cars, boats, houses, and other
assets worth over $604 million, according to its own admission.

 Police at all levels routinely use these laws to confiscate
the possessions of thousands of innocent Americans without
producing a search warrant, arresting them, or charging them
with a crime. Shockingly, Americans who want their property back
have to go to court to "prove" they haven't committed a crime.

 These prove-you're-not-a-criminal laws have another
outrageous aspect as well: In order to have the "right" to
contest the seizure in court, victims first have to post a cash
bond and hire a lawyer -- even though in some cases the
government has already seized their money to begin with.

 Thanks to asset forfeiture laws passed by Republicans and
Democrats, the cops have become *worse* than the robbers.
According to the U.S. Department of Justice, bank robbers stole
assets worth a total of $28 million in 1994. But during the same
year, federal prosecutors confiscated $2.1 *billion* in cars,
boats, homes, and other property -- according to asset
forfeiture expert James Bovard. That means that government
"criminals" confiscated 75 times as much property as private
criminals!

 That's why it's so important to demand that Congress pass
HR 1658 -- we must seize this opportunity to stop the government
from seizing our property.

 The Libertarian Party Platform calls for *repealing* asset
forfeiture laws rather than reforming them. But until we elect
enough Libertarians to Congress to achieve that, we will support
any measure that would weaken the government's power to seize
your property -- and HR 1658 would do that.

 Currently Rep. Hyde's bill has 59 co-sponsors, including
U.S. Rep. Paul, R-TX, the Libertarian's Party's former
presidential candidate. This legislation is supported by a wide
range of civil liberties groups, including the National Rifle
Association, the American Civil Liberties Union, Americans for
Tax Reform, the National Association of Criminal Defense
Lawyers, Forfeiture Endangers American Rights, and the American
Bar Association.

 HR 1658 would dramatically reform current law by:

 * Requiring the government to prove by "clear and
convincing evidence" that property is subject to forfeiture.
(Current law requires only a "preponderance of evidence"
standard.)

 * Eliminating the requirement that a property owner file a
10 percent bond to challenge a seizure.

 * Providing for an "innocent owner" defense, so that people
who were unaware that their property was being used unlawfully
could have it returned.

 * Requiring the government to notify in writing anyone
whose property has been seized, and forcing the government to
return the property if such notice is not given.

 * Allowing property owners to sue the government for
destruction of seized property while in its possession.

 * Awarding interest payments to property owners who
successfully get their property back.

 WHAT TO DO:

 Contact your U.S. House representative today by calling the
Congressional switchboard at 202-225-3121 or 202-224-3121. Then
ask to speak to the office of 

[CTRL] Reality Crisis

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 http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a376bdfcf7a6f.htm

  News/Current Events News Keywords: CRISIS
  Source: Daily Review of Ontology
  Published: June 18, 1999 Author: Rafun Rymark

 Reality Begins to Stutter

 Tempers Flare Over Reality Stutter

  "I'm not among those who see all ontologists as envy ridden
  twits, but they, as a breed, have been extremely reluctant
  to recognize the important work done by other scientists to
  substantiate, quantify, and publicize this horrid little
  stuttering of reality." Sir Arthur Reynolds...

 Saturday, June 19, 1999.  In the three years since Professor
 Morgan Mughouse of Bristol startled ontologists worldwide with the
 publication of his first paper on the detection of irregularities
 in the flow of reality, few outside the ontological community have
 taken the quickly evolving crisis seriously.  But according to
 attendees at the seventy-fourth annual convention of the World
 Association of Consulting Ontologists, most governments around the
 world are now swiftly, if quietly, mobilizing to solve the problem.
 Unfortunately, no one is quite sure what solving the problem might
 mean, nor even who might be best qualified to attempt a solution.

 Thus, the appointment by Mr. Blair of Sir Arthur Reynolds, former
 advisor to the queen on astronomical affairs, to head Britain's
 effort dismayed many at the conference.  "What's an astronomer know
 about reality?" asked Dr. S.L. Winthon in his opening address to
 the convention.  "Their entire discipline is bounded within
 reality."  Winthon warned that, "Mr. Blair, with this appointment,
 guarantees that Britain will play no significant role in the
 world's effort to solve this ontological crisis; and let none here
 forget that this must be understood and dealt with as an
 ontological crisis."

 Mughouse, who's seminal work on graphing the flow of reality led to
 the discovery of the increasing "stutter" in that flow, was
 equally, though more civilly irate.  "I've never met an astronomer
 capable of looking at reality sideways," he told the conference,
 "nor is it likely that we've time to train one to do so."

 But Sir Arthur, who did not attend the conference, strongly
 defended the necessity of someone from outside the field of
 ontology heading the commission: "Ontology has always been seen by
 other scientists as a specialized field, and as such has attracted
 those of a peculiar mindset, which, though broad in conceptual
 range, severely limits working contact with scientists in other
 disciplines.  I'm not among those who see all ontologists as envy
 ridden twits, but they, as a breed, have been extremely reluctant
 to recognize the important work done by other scientists to
 substantiate, quantify, and publicize this horrid little stuttering
 of reality.  Without Enoch's statistical work on the exponential
 increase in coincidence, or Stratford's detailed studies on the
 success of political doubletalk, no one outside of the field of
 ontology would even be aware of the seriousness of our situation."

 Delegates from a few other nations also expressed concern with
 their own governments' attempts to deal with the crisis.  Two
 German professors, who preferred to remain anonymous, bemoaned
 Germany's stated position that the problem must be seen as a defect
 in the way time flows, rather than the way reality flows through
 time.  "Time is not the problem; reality is the problem," said one.
 "Yes, reality," added the other.  "Reality and the Swiss."

 Maurice Du Pomp, from the Paris Institute, insisted that although
 France, because of its more sophisticated linquistic traditions,
 was uniquely qualified to lead any battle against defects in
 reality, Chirac was not putting sufficient pressure on the
 Americans to help fund such a battle.  But American delegates
 doubted that any such funding would soon come from the U.S.

 "No one in Congress, the White House, or the press will even
 listen to us," said one.  "I'm not sure any of them give a damn
 about reality."



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 I'm not entirely unsure why this issue has not been more prominent
 here lately...

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