[CTRL] Oliver North

[foxter]

Ollie North
REMEMBER THIS??
IT WAS 1987.

At a lecture the other day they played an old video of Lt. Col. Oliver
North testifying at the Iran-Contra hearings during the Reagan
Administration.
There was Ollie in front of God and country getting the third degree 
by politicians.
But what he said was stunning!!
He was being drilled by some senator; "Did you not recently spend 
close to $60,000 for a home security system?"
Ollie replied, "Yes I did sir."
The senator continued, trying to get a laugh out of the audience, 
"Isn't this just a little excessive?"
'No sir,' continued Ollie.
"No? And why not?" the senator asked.
"Because the lives of my family and I were threatened sir."
'Threatened? By whom?" the senator questioned.
'By a terrorist, sir.' Ollie answered.
'Terrorist? What terrorist could possibly scare you that much?"
"His name is Osama bin Laden sir." Ollie replied.
At this point the senator tried to repeat the name, but couldn't
pronounce it, which most people back then probably couldn't. A couple
of people laughed at the attempt. Then the senator continued.
"Why are you so afraid of this man?" the senator asked.
"Because sir, he is the most evil person alive that I know of," Ollie
answered.
"And what do you recommend we do about him?" asked the senator.
"Well sir, if it were up to me, I would recommend that an assassin 
team be formed to eliminate him and his men from the face of the earth."
The senator disagreed with this approach and that was all that was 
shown of the clip.

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Re: [CTRL] Have a Happy

[foxter]

And to you, Kris, may your 
day be filled with lots of R  R.
We appreciate your efforts on 
this list.

Foxter


  - Original Message - 
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  -Caveat Lector-My best to one and all, may your 
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Re: [CTRL] FW: check it out

[foxter]

Urban myth:
http://www.urbanmyths.com/email_internettax602p.html
http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/emailtax.html



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  thew 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:57 
  AM
  Subject: [CTRL] FW: check it out
  -Caveat Lector--- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - 
  - -- --- -- - - -  - -- - - - -- -- - -- -He who does not 
  prefer exile to slavery is not free by any measure offreedom, truth and 
  duty. 
  Kahil Gibran, Spirits RebelliousNEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: 
  http://home.earthlink.net/~thew 
  EVERYONE..PLEASE READ THIS! Guess the warnings 
  were true. Federal Bill 602P 5-cents per E-mail sent. It 
  figures! No more free E-mail! We knew this was coming!! Bill 
  602P will permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent charge on 
  every delivered E-mail. Please read the following carefully if you 
  intend to stay online and continue using E-mail. The last few 
  months have revealed an alarming trend in the Government of the United 
  States attempting to quietly push through legislation that 
  will affect our use of the Internet. Under proposed 
  legislation, the US Postal Service will be attempting to bill E-mail 
  users out of "alternative postage fees". Bill 602P will permit 
  the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent surcharge on! every 
  e-mail delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers at 
  source. The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP. 
  Washington DC lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to 
  prevent this legislation from becoming law. The US Postal 
  Service is claiming lost revenue, due to the proliferation of E-mail, 
  is costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per year. You may 
  have noticed their recent ad campaign: "There is nothing like 
  a letter." Since the average person received about 10 pieces of E-mail 
  per day in 1998, the cost of the typical individual would be 
  an additional 50 cents a day - or over $180 per year - above 
  and beyond their regular Internet costs. Note that this would 
  be money paid directly to the US Postal Service for a service they do 
  not even provide. The whole point of the Internet is democracy 
  and non-interference. You are already paying an exorbitant price for 
  snail mail because of bureaucratic inefficiency. It currently 
  takes up to 6 days for a letter t! o be delivered from coast 
  to coast. If the US Postal Service is allowed to tinker with 
  E-mail, it will mark the end of the "free" Internet in the 
  United States. Congressional representative, Tony Schnell (R) 
  has even suggested a "$20-$40 per month surcharge on all 
  Internet service" above and beyond the governments proposed E-mail 
  charges. Note that most of the major newspapers have ignored 
  the story the only exception being the Washingtonian which 
  called the idea of E-mail surcharge "a useful concept who's 
  time has come" (March 6th, 1999 Editorial) Do not sit by and 
  watch your freedom erode away! Send this E-mail to EVERYONE on your 
  list, and tell all your friends andrelatives to write their 
  congressional representative and say "NO" to Bill 602P. It will 
  only take a few moments of your time and could very well be 
  instrumental in killing a bill we do not want. PLEASE 
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Re: [CTRL] Miss Afghanistan

[foxter]

I think women everywhere would resent 
your hatred of females.
I am no exception.
There is no need for you to do 
this. It is not funny to half of the people in the world. Actually 
it's not even that clever.

Shame on you. Pity on your wife 
and children.

[CTRL] How about some humor?

[foxter]

Mullah Mohammed Hasan Akhund, the 
deputy Taliban leader, and George W. Bush agree to meet in Kabul for the 
first round of talks in a new anti-terrorism process. When George sits down, 
he notices three buttons on the arm of Akhund's chair. They begin 
talking. After about five minutes Akhund presses the first button. A 
boxing glove springs out of a box on the desk and punches Bush in the face. 
Annoyed, Bush carries on talking as Akhund laughs. A few minutes later 
the second button is pressed. This time a big boot comes out and kicks Bush 
in the shin. Again Akhund laughs, and again George carries on talking, 
not wanting to put off the bigger issue of peace between the two 
countries. But when the third button is pressed and another boot comes out 
and kicks Bush square in the privates, he's finally had enough. "I'm 
headin' back home!" he calmly tells the Afghan. "We'll finish these talks in 
Washington in two weeks!" A fortnight passes and Akhund flies to the 
United States for talks. As the two men sit down, Akhund notices three 
buttons on Bush's chair arm and prepares himself for the Texan's 
retaliation. They begin talking and George presses the first button. 
Akhund ducks, but nothing happens. George snickers but they continue 
talking. A few minutes later he presses the second button. Akhund jumps up, 
but again nothing happens. Bush roars with laughter. They continue the 
talks but when the third button is pressed, Akhund jumps up again, but again 
nothing happens. Bush falls on the floor in a fit of hysterics. 

"Forget this," says Akhund. "I'm going 
back to Afghanistan!" George W. says, through tears of laughter, "What 
Afghanistan??" 

Re: [CTRL] Text of Netanyahu's Testimony to House Committee on Gov't Reform on September 20, 2001 Citrus Punch Bkgrd.gif [1/2]

[foxter]

Did not do it on 
purpose.
Somehow the pc did 
it.
Any ideas how to stop it in the 
future?

thanks.

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From: foxter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.house.gov/reform/statement_of_netanyahu.htm


Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

[CTRL] Text of Netanyahu's Testimony to House Committee on Gov't Reform on September 20, 2001 Netanyahu's testimony on terrorism, September 20, 2001.doc [01/14]

[foxter]

-Caveat Lector-

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http://www.house.gov/reform/statement_of_netanyahu.htm


Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups

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[foxter]

-Caveat Lector-

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http://www.house.gov/reform/statement_of_netanyahu.htm


Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

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[foxter]

-Caveat Lector-

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Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

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Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

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Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

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http://www.house.gov/reform/statement_of_netanyahu.htm


Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

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http://www.house.gov/reform/statement_of_netanyahu.htm


Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

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http://www.house.gov/reform/statement_of_netanyahu.htm


Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
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These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
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well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
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Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

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Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

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Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

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Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

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Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

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http://www.house.gov/reform/statement_of_netanyahu.htm


Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

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Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

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Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

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Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

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Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

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http://www.house.gov/reform/statement_of_netanyahu.htm


Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

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http://www.house.gov/reform/statement_of_netanyahu.htm


Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

[CTRL] Text of Netanyahu's Testimony to House Committee on Gov't Reform on September 20, 2001 Citrus Punch Bkgrd.gif [1/2]

[foxter]

-Caveat Lector-

From: foxter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.house.gov/reform/statement_of_netanyahu.htm


Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

[CTRL] Text of Netanyahu's Testimony to House Committee on Gov't Reform on September 20, 2001 Citrus Punch Bkgrd.gif [1/2]

[foxter]

-Caveat Lector-

From: foxter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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THANK YOU DAVID FOR THIS GEM. =20


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http://www.house.gov/reform/statement_of_netanyahu.htm


Statement of former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu before the =
Government Reform Committee September 20, 2001=20

Chairman Burton, Distinguished Representatives,=20

I want to thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I feel a =
profound responsibility addressing you in this hour of peril in the =
capital of liberty.=20

What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our =
civilization. There may be some who would have thought a week ago that =
to talk in these apocalyptic terms about the battle against =
international terrorism was to engage in reckless exaggeration. No =
longer.=20

Each one of us today understands that we are all targets, that our =
cities are vulnerable, and that our values are hated with an unmatched =
fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life.=20

I am certain that I speak on behalf of my entire nation when I say - =
Today, we are all Americans - in grief, as in defiance.=20

In grief, because my people have faced the agonizing horrors of terror =
for many decades, and we feel an instant kinship with both the victims =
of this tragedy and the great nation that mourns its fallen brothers and =
sisters.=20

In defiance, because just as my country continues to fight terrorism in =
our battle for survival, I know that America will not cower before this =
challenge.=20

I have absolute confidence that if we, the citizens of the free world, =
led by President Bush, marshall the enormous reserves of power at our =
disposal, harness the steely resolve of a free people, and mobilize our =
collective will - we shall eradicate this evil from the face of the =
earth.=20

But to achieve this goal, we must first however answer several =
questions: Who is responsible for this terrorist onslaught? Why? What is =
the motive behind these attacks? And most importantly, what must be done =
to defeat these evil forces?=20

The first and most crucial thing to understand is this: There is no =
international terrorism without the support of sovereign states. =
International terrorism simply cannot be sustained for long without the =
regimes that aid and abet it.=20

Terrorists are not suspended in mid-air. They train, arm and =
indoctrinate their killers from within safe havens on territory provided =
by terrorist states. Often these regimes provide the terrorists with =
intelligence, money and operational assistance, dispatching them to =
serve as deadly proxies to wage a hidden war against more powerful =
enemies.=20

These regimes mount a worldwide propaganda campaign to legitimize =
terror, besmirching its victims and exculpating its practitioners --- as =
we witnessed in the farcical spectacle in Durban last month.=20

Iran, Libya, and Syria call the US and Israel racist countries that =
abuse human rights?=20

Even Orwell could not have imagined such a world.=20

Take away all this state support, and the entire scaffolding of =
international terrorism will collapse into the dust.=20

The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes - Iran, =
Iraq, Syria, Taleban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat=92s Palestinian =
Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.=20

These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin =
Laden in Afghanistan, Hizballah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, =
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim =
factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror =
organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum.=20

These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror =
network, whose constituent parts support each other operationally as =
well as politically.=20

For example, the Palestinian groups cooperate closely with Hezbollah, =
which in turn links them to Syria, Iran and Bin Laden.=20

These offshoots of terror have

[CTRL] Test, thanks

[foxter]

test

Re: [CTRL] FR: Exclusive-Terrorist Paymaster,Probably Bin Laden's Brother Arrested In Orlando, Sent To New York

[foxter]

Cannot get the link 
to work, is it me?
Thanks.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Joe 
  Gillaspie 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:11 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] FR: 
  Exclusive-Terrorist Paymaster,Probably Bin Laden's Brother Arrested In 
  Orlando, Sent To New York
  -Caveat Lector- FYI http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3bab892664b2.htm 
  Law Enforcement Sources, who have been 100% accurate on this story say 
  a man arrested in an Orlando suburb over the weekend is now confirmed 
  as the paymaster for the whole terrorist attack 
  operation. He has been using the name Ahmed Badawi, but FBI 
  believes he is actually is one of the many brothers of Osama Bin 
  Laden! The man, who FBI flew to New York in FBI aircraft 
  yesterday, ran a travel agency in Orlando called "Florida Sunny Summer 
  Tours." He also ran a national car delivery service and a check 
  cashing service. The check cashing service gave him ability to move 
  large amounts of cash without arousing suspicion at banks, etc. The 
  car delivery service gave them ability to move people around country 
  with no records or cost. More when we have it. 
  This is a major break... and a FReeper exclusive. 
   
  Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM 
  THE DESK 
  OF: 
  *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends 
   
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[CTRL] Netanyahu, Text of Address today

[foxter]

I am trying to 
download the text of Netanyahu's testimony today, does anyone have a link? 
Thank you.

Re: [CTRL] AMER. FLAG BANNED ON NY CABLE CHANNEL 12

[foxter]

So 
right.

What is their web 
site or email address?
Has someone forwarded 
this news to the media?



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:47 
  PM
  Subject: Re: AMER. FLAG BANNED ON NY 
  CABLE CHANNEL 12
  [Image]Well like Bush said tonight, "you are either for 
  us or against us" - stop watching and listing to these channels - rating speak 
  -Thanks JimArchibald Bard wrote: 
  NewsMax.com Wednesday Sept. 19, 2001; 12:41 p.m. EDT 
  American Flag Banned on New York Cable Channel While most 
  Americans can't get enough of Old Glory in the wake of last week's terrorist 
  attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, Cable News Channel 12 on New 
  York's Long Island has actually banned the American flag from its 
  airwaves. "Our office is a newsroom and news people are 
  committed to supplying objective information on events here and around the 
  world," wrote Pat Dolan, News 12 news director, in a memo banning on-air-flag 
  displays distributed to employees Sunday. Dolan became 
  concerned when American flags began popping up in his newsroom and -- horrors 
  -- even on the lapels of some of his anchors. Meanwhile all the other 
  networks, both broadcast and cable, drench themselves in red, white and 
  blue. "We have to avoid giving a false impression that we lean 
  one way or the other," said the news director, who's apparently trying to 
  strike a balance between his fellow Americans and the terrorists who have 
  vowed to kill them. In an interview with Long Island's 
  Newsday, which reported News 12's flag ban in print editions only, Dolan 
  admitted the move has angered some of his employees. "We've 
  had a few heated discussions." But he stuck to his guns. "What 
  we're trying to do is make clear that our guys can express their patriotism, 
  but we don't want the flag to be associated with their daily activities as 
  electronic journalists." Dolan called the on-air flag waving 
  "a real problem when war breaks out," explaining that he doesn't want his 
  viewers to get the impression that "we may subtly endorse what the government 
  is doing." Subcribers to New York media giant Cablevision, 
  which owns News 12 along with The Wiz, Radio City Music Hall, Madison Square 
  Garden, the Knicks and the Rangers, will undoubtedly be interested to learn of 
  Dolan's position. -- TO KEEP THE PEACE, KEEP 
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Re: [CTRL] peace petition

[foxter]

Whis is this that 
darkens the doorstep of the CTRL with such trash?

NO WAY I would sign 
this. I am more concerned with "no" assignment of responsibility, as the 
NWO crowd would like to see, than with a "hasty"such assignment, 
particularysince they appear to haveample proofit was Bin 
Laden's group.

Name a leader who is 
not "remaining calm".
Name a leader who is 
"rashly attempting to exact swift revenge". What rhetoric, make it sound 
like our leaders are manic depressives and/or schizos. It shows no faith 
in them, and I have to wonder why that is. America, love it or leave 
it.

Also, this writer 
seems fearful of America standing up and exercising teh courage of her 
convictions (eg, we will not let over 5,000 innocent civilians be murdered, 
etc.) - fearful that doing so will bring upon us some bad vibes or spirits from 
other countries. That isCOWARDICE if not lack of 
integrity.

I ask: what 
more does one need as "clear evidence of the identities of those 
responsible"? Isn'tAfghanistan's recalcitrance and Pakistan's 
trembling enough?

Alll 
thoseinterested in"peace", in the Middle East or elsewhere, at most 
any price, should takecourses in reality.



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Smart News 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:52 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] peace petition
  -Caveat 
  Lector-Dear list,This is fyi. If you feel safe doing this, 
  please cut and paste the part belowand send to those that might be 
  interested. Thanks.Sincerely, NeilDear 
  friends,This is an appeal to the leaders of our country to let 
  sanity prevail.We are all grief-stricken by the appalling, 
  inhuman events ofSeptember 11. However, in the terrible 
  aftermath of these events, wemust plead with our leaders to 
  remain calm and not rashly attempt to exactswift revenge. This email 
  is intended to serve as a petition to ourpresident and members 
  of Congress. We wish them toknow that not all Americans desire 
  swift retribution in the absenceof clear evidence of the 
  identities of those responsible for this tragedy.Please copy this 
  email, sign it, and send it on. If you are the 50thperson (or 
  multiple of 50) to receive this email, please send a copy ofthe 
  message to President Bush: [EMAIL PROTECTED] And 
  pleasecontact your Congressional legislators by telephone, letter, and 
  email.We must promptly alert our leaders of this urgent 
  matter.Dear President Bush,We are deeply saddened by the 
  events of September 11. A grievous atrocityhas been 
  committed against the people of the United States. We keenly feelthe 
  nation's loss, and desire that justice be done.However, we are 
  concerned that hasty assignment of responsibility could leadto actions 
  that might undermine the United States' pursuit of justice. 
  Wefear that hasty action could heighten the anti-American 
  sentiment that ledto this tragedy. We trust that thorough 
  investigation of these events andcooperation with the international 
  community will lead to lasting, 
  peacefuljustice.Sincerely,Your fellow 
  Americans,A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION 
   DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion  informational 
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[CTRL] Anti-Bush Attacks [was Bush will get us into a war]

[foxter]

First. 
What is your evidence to say 
Bush "put us in an 'even worse' position financially"? Seems like just 
your opinion to me, without facts. 

Second.
What is your evidence to 
insinuate that Bush was not as "concerned with foreign affairs" and "cooperating 
with our allies"? 

Third.
What is your evidence that 
Bush is concerned with getting a tax cut for the rich? I just got my 
tax refund in the mail, did not know I was rich.


If you cannot answer these 
questions I can hardlytake what you say seriously. I assume you want 
to be taken seriously?



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Steve 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 6:38 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into 
  a war!
  -Caveat 
  Lector-On 18 Sep 01, at 5:53, tnohava wrote: So what do we 
  do...Bush should have been more concerned with foreign affairs and 
  cooperatingwith our allies including listening to the advise of Russia 
  regarding terrorismthreats, rather than getting the tax cut for the rich, 
  which has put us in an evenworse position financially, with a return to 
  deficit spending and/or borrowingfrom the social security and medicare 
  funds.SteveSteve Wingate, WebmasterANOMALOUS 
  IMAGES AND UFO FILEShttp://www.anomalous-images.comA 
  HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION 
   DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion  informational 
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  CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to 
  readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust 
  denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, 
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Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!

[foxter]

On 18 Sep 01, at 5:53, tnohava wrote: So what do we do...just 
forget about the thousands that were killed a week ago? You're a REAL 
PATRIOT!I am only asking questions instead of blindly accepting 
everything at facevalue.


Steve, what are the 
questions you are asking?

I guess you progagly 
believe if we do not all march in lock step with the'approved' reactions, we 
are not Real Americans.

 I for one say that we should suport 
our president. Of course, I am a patriot, I love this country and I expect 
those who live here and reap its many benefits to love it, too.

You will see I am right eventually, unless the truth is covered up. 
(But thatwould never happen in America???) But by then it will be way too 
late andmany more will die. Attacks against Afghanistan will only start a 
Holy War andcause new terrorist attacks to be initiated at an increasing 
pace.

 Manymore will indeed die. Let us fight to make 
men free. That is the great tradition of this great nation. 

Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!

[foxter]

bull.
Name a war in history 
where there were not innocent civilian casualties.

What you are really 
saying is you are a pacifist, and/or you want a surgical strike. a 
surgical strike against a far-reaching enemy is not possible this time. 
Get on board the Reality Train.

  -Caveat Lector-I'm not sure what we should do - but the minute we 
  kill an innocentcivilian, we become terrorists as well.
  

Re: [CTRL] 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack (fwd)

[foxter]

Perhaps it was 
broadcast? 





  
  
Following 
  is a list of the al-Manar Frequencies where it's broadcasting: 
  
  Digital receiver Ku Band uses the following address: USA and 
  CanadaTelestar 5\ 97 deg. WestFrequency: 12152 MHZSymbol 
  rate: 20.000Polarization: HorizontalFEC: 3/4Digital 
  receiver C Band uses the following address: (Africa)Nss 803\ 338.5 
  deg. EastFrequency: 4055 MHZSymbol rate: 27.500Polarization: 
  C.RFEC: 3/4You can receive Almanar using a digital receiver on 
  Arabsat 3A the Lebanese bouquet:Arabsat 3A\ 26 deg.eastFrequency: 
  11787 MHZSymbol rate: 27.500Polarization: verticalFEC: 3/4 
  Or analog receiver use the following address:Arab Sat. 3A/ 
  26 deg. EAST* Frequency: 11823 MHZ* Polarization: VERTICAL 
  Digital receiver Ku Band use the following address:Nile 
  sat 101\ 7 deg. WestFrequency: 12054 MHZSymbol rate: 
  27.500Polarization: VerticalFEC: 
  3/4




  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Steve 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:16 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] 4000 Israeli 
  Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack (fwd)
  -Caveat Lector-The site definitely has an 
  pro-Palestinian agenda:http://www.manartv.com/Dear brother 
  or sister Salam-u-Alaykom In support of the oppressed 
  Palestinian people for the Sustenance of the Intifadah we 
  invite you to donate money to the following address: To: 
  On 18 Sep 01, at 9:59, Yardbird wrote: -Caveat 
  Lector- I can't find any other mention of it other than 
  comments upon the article itself - nothing that independently verifies 
  its contents. On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Kris Millegan 
  wrote:  -Caveat Lector-   Is there 
  any independent confirmation of any of this?   the 
  site may be agenda-charged.   Om  
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Re: [CTRL] September 11...(5)

[foxter]

Don,

I tried reasoning on 
Steve's fear and anger that good golly we may have to suffer and die for 
freedom. I'm sure I was nowhere near aseffective as you in this 
post.
Thanks for being out 
there.
Thanks formaking me 
laugh.

Foxter


- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Don Capps 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:48 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] September 
  11...(5)
  -Caveat Lector-From: "Steve" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  That would be very. Tunnels and caves would be a relatively good way 
  toavoid radiation, and radiation would contaminate the environment and 
  lead tofurther escalation including possible nuclear war.Oh 
  brother. Here we go. Possible nuclear war with just WHO Steve??? A bunchof 
  Afghani herdsmen with AK-47's? Please. Granted, great guerilla 
  fightersthey may be. But nuclear capability? C'mon. That's a stretch, even 
  by theincredibly credulous standards of the CTRL!So...let's see. 
  What other Mid East baddie might engage in a bit of the old"nuclear 
  escalation". Oh! I know! Saddam Hussein. Yeah. Let's see. He couldtake an 
  oil tanker and retrofit a missle gantry on the deck. Then he couldload it 
  up with a nuclear tipped SCUD. Then he could cross the Atlantic,park off 
  the New York coastline, and (given the SCUD's known accuracy) mighthit the 
  Jersey swamps.Or how about one of those misnamed "suitcase nukes"? OK. 
  Let's consider thatscenario. Suitcase nuke goes off in a major US city, 
  doing massive damage,albeit in an extrememly limited area (approx. 1 mile 
  radius). Fallout isminimal precisely because the weapons are low yield. US 
  reaction? The entireArab world gets lit up like a Christmas tree. Now 
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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Bush Attacks [was Bush will get us into a war]

[foxter]

To answer your 
question, I do not see any "treachery" in Bush so I can't answer you 
accurately. What is his "treachery"?

Thanks for answering 
my questions. I don't agree with most of what you say. I don't 
find objective indication/evidence that "Many of the rich got millions in tax 
relief" and feel this is an irresponsiblestatement. If you have 
objective evidence, please provide it.Also, so what if rich people 
or if coporations got tax relief? What is wrong with that?


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Steve 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:39 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Bush Attacks 
  [was Bush will get us into a war]
  -Caveat Lector-On 18 Sep 01, at 10:14, foxter 
  wrote: First. What is your evidence to say Bush "put us in 
  an 'even worse' position financially"? Seems like just your opinion to 
  me, without facts.Before the tax cut and economic slowdown, we 
  had a surplus. A week agowe were going to have to borrow 9 Billion dollars 
  from the social securityfund. Now we have had to spend $40 Billion more 
  due to the attack and weare going to war. What more evidence do you need 
  (unless you think deficitspending is good for the country.) It used to be 
  the Republicans were callingfor the 'evil Democrats' to balance the 
  budget. Not anymore. They are the bigspenders now, including their push 
  for the New Star Wars, which will beextremely costly. 
  Second. What is your evidence to insinuate that Bush was not as 
  "concerned with foreign affairs" and "cooperating with our 
  allies"?That was certainly the general consenus. He is for breaking 
  the ABM treaty,breaking the ban on underground nuclear tests, and against 
  the Kyotoprotocol, all actions which our allies strongly 
  oppose. Third. What is your evidence that Bush is 
  concerned with getting a tax cut for the rich? I just got my tax 
  refund in the mail, did not know I was rich.The vast majority 
  of the tax cut went to the rich. You got your little $300 check,an advance 
  subtracted from your 2001 refund, enough for a couple of newtires or maybe 
  a golf club, so you're quite happy! Many of the rich got millionsin tax 
  relief. All of us will continue to pay huge interest payments on 
  themassive debt which was created by Reagans stupid tax cut, a legacy 
  thatBush seems quite content to leave us with as well.No, I do not 
  think much of Bush, even if we are going to war. Why should I likehim and 
  support his treachery? Why do 
  you?SteveSteveSteve Wingate, 
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Re: [CTRL] September 11...(5)

[foxter]

Unfortunately I was 
not the author of this.
Foxter

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Steve 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:05 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] September 
  11...(5)
  -Caveat Lector-On 18 Sep 01, at 10:37, foxter 
  wrote: Or how about one of those misnamed "suitcase nukes"? OK. 
  Let's consider that scenario. Suitcase nuke goes off in a 
  major US city, doing massive damage, albeit in an 
  extrememly limited area (approx. 1 mile radius). Fallout 
  is minimal precisely because the weapons are low yield. US 
  reaction? The entire Arab world gets lit up like a 
  Christmas tree. Now THAT'S what I call 
  "escalation!That's what I call the product of a very sick 
  mind.SteveSteve Wingate, 
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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Bush Attacks [was Bush will get us into a war]

[foxter]

l. Who are you 
designating as "the rich"?
2. How many is 
"many"?
3. Who are 
these "many"?
4. What form(s) 
did the tax relief take?

I asked you the 
following:
"Also, so what 
if rich people or if coporations got tax relief? What is wrong with 
that?"

Foxter


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:52 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Bush Attacks 
  [was Bush will get us into a war]
  -Caveat Lector-If you don't have time to keep 
  up with current events in politics, I don't havetime to do your research 
  for you? Where have you been in the last fewmonths?SteveOn 
  18 Sep 01, at 23:37, foxter wrote: I don't find objective 
  indication/evidence that "Many of the rich got millions in tax relief" 
  and feel this is an irresponsible statement. If you have objective 
  evidence, please provide it. Also, so what if rich people or if 
  coporations got tax relief? What is wrong with 
  that?Steve Wingate, WebmasterANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO 
  FILEShttp://www.anomalous-images.comA 
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Re: [CTRL] Never again [1/2]

[foxter]

-Caveat Lector-

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Right.
Our weak border policy shows our freedom of fear from others.  We let =
people cross and we knew we did.  Whether that is wise or not is for =
history to judge.

  - Original Message -=20
  From: thew=20
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]=20
  Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Never again


  -Caveat Lector-

  a strong border policy is about 400 years too late for america
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  Man's mind stretched to a new idea never goes back to its original
  dimensions.


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  NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew

   From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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   Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:38:44 -0300
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: [CTRL] Never again (fwd)
  
   -Caveat Lector-
  
   For an immigration time-out: http://www.projectusa.org/
  
   Never again
   Issue 95: September 16, 2001
  
   +=3D=3D TIME OUT PROJECT =3D=3D+
  
   Visible from the west-facing windows, the smoke still rises above =
the
   place where thousands of our fellow citizens remain buried under the
   wreckage of the World Trade Center.
  
   Horror gives way to anger as the enormity of what has happened sinks
   in.  We feel anger at our enemies, and anger at those who have =
permitted
   this to happen.
  
   As our nation prepares to retaliate militarily for this gruesome =
attack,
   we must remember that one very appropriate way to honor the dead and
   comfort their loved ones will be to take concrete steps to lessen =
the
   chance, to whatever extent possible, of something like this ever
   happening again.
  
   This means, in part, implementing a prudent border policy.  Going =
after
   terrorists and improving airport security, while important, are not
   enough; America is vulnerable on many other fronts.
  
   Many pro-borders activists can recall the seminal moment when he or =
she
   awoke to the serious implications of current immigration policy.
  
   For the founder of ProjectUSA, it was walking down a street in =
Beijing
   and seeing a poster plastered on a nearby wall that was an =
advertisement
   in Chinese for an English language school in Beijing, upon =
graduation
   from which the student would receive a free visa to Vancouver,
   British Columbia, Canada -- the future summer resort city for
   Beijing.   From there, the poster promised, it is easy to get into =
the
   United States.
  
   May many others find their seminal moments now.
   __
   September 11, hours before the WTC attack, Bill Clinton told an
   Australian audience that he supported the ultimate wisdom of a
   borderless world for people and for trade.
   Read Steve Sailer's great piece (VDARE)
   The Gods Of The Copybook Headings With Terror And Slaughter =
Return.
   http://www.vdare.com/sailer/copybook_headings.htm
  
   Fortress North America: It's time for uniform, continental security
   (Toronto Sun)
   http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSAttack010914/fisher.html
  
   Terrorists' entry into U.S. shows vulnerability of visa system (Los
   Angeles Times, 2001)
   =
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/breaking/0915attackvisas15-ON.html=

  
   INS policies criticized as too lenient toward students (Houston
   Chronicle)
   http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metropolitan/1050338
  
   Chinese researching sensors at USAF lab; Scientists working since =
1995
   on critical, high-tech RD projects for Pentagon
   http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=3D22752
  
  
   +=3D=3D TAKE POSITIVE ACTION =3D=3D+
  
   It is essential that we do what we can to prevent a recurrence of =
the
   September 11th attacks.  Policymakers should seriously consider =
taking
   these common sense steps:
  
   =3D implement a common security zone with Canada, standardizing
   point-of-entry procedures and sharing information;
  
   =3D massively beef up security and inspections at the Mexican =
border and
   scuttle the hugely reckless plan to open U.S. highways to Mexican =
trucks
   -- a plan experts agree will make human smuggling easier;
  
   =3D end the classification of legal permanent residents (LPRs) for
   military intelligence purposes as U.S

Re: [CTRL] Never again [2/2]

[foxter]

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[CTRL] Fw: LONG LIVE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

[foxter]

I had written them last night via their site, www.ncci.com
I am the type of person who doesn't do much in the way of action. Je 
suis couch potato.
But this irrited the HELL out of me.

Please post any reply/backpedalling or the like that management of this 
company does, I'd hate to think that an American company would have such an 
atmosphere. I can see the heat of the moment, all that, but if they don't 
renege they are worse than non grata in my book.




- Original Message - 

  From: 
  foxter 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:24 
  AM
  Subject: LONG LIVE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED 
  STATES OF AMERICA
  
  I urge you to ask management ofyour company to reverse its actions 
  in banning flags on its premises.
  
  NCCI is about to be made the laughingstock of this country and a target 
  for hatred. I know I at this time hold it in the highest of contempt for 
  this action. What NCCI managers have done is heinous and 
  unforgiveable. 
  
  If I do not hear of a change of heart I am going to try my best to 
  boycott NCCI products, and have others do so, too, in hopes that your company 
  will go out of business.
  
  I am not blaming anyone individually except the one(s) at the top who 
  gave this order and any who acted on their own to carry out such a 
  heinous initiative.
  
  I do hope that, just as the WTC tragedy has brought this entire country 
  together it will galvanize NCCI employees to stand up for the liberty they 
  have in our borders. Until then, I don't see that any NCCI employee can 
  trust its management for any reason whatsoever.
  
  
  As he died to make men holy,Let us die to make men free 
  GOD, BLESS 
AMERICA

Re: [CTRL] U.S. Flag Offensive? (fwd) [1/2]

[foxter]

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NCCI Changes Position,
Gives Employees American Flags=20

(Boca Raton, FL) NCCI Holdings, Inc., today announced that it has =
changed its position on flags in its workplace and offered any employees =
who wanted them American flags and red-white-and-blue lapel ribbons as =
they entered the workplace this morning.

President  CEO Bill Schrempf said he was meeting with employees this =
morning to explain the company's change and apologize for not permitting =
them to display the American flag on Friday during the National Day of =
Prayer and Remembrance.

In announcing the change, Schrempf indicated that NCCI's senior =
management team met over the weekend and decided to reverse the =
company's longstanding position, which had been intended to protect =
employees.=20

This morning, the company took the following actions concerning the =
display of the American flag by its employees:
1. Any interested employee can display an American flag on their =
desktop. Flags will be provided for this purpose, if employees would =
like to have one to display.
2. Red, white  blue lapel remembrance ribbons are being provided for =
those who want to wear them.


  - Original Message -
  From: foxter
  Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 1:35 AM
  To: Gary O'D; Elaine
  Subject: THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS AND MUST STOP !!!




  - Original Message -=20
  From: David McDivitt=20
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]=20
  Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:46 AM
  Subject: (fwd) Florida Company Bans Stars  Stripes!


  To: Matthew Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Florida Company Bans Stars  Stripes!
  From: Matthew Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:13:09 -0400

  [Note from Matthew Gaylor:  It is the right of a business to set any=20
  sort of rules they wish.  Conversely it is also a right for other=20
  businesses and individuals to boycott any anti-patriotic company.  I=20
  urge you to take the time and call or write NCCI Holdings, Inc.]

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Subject: Florida Company Bans Stars  Stripes!
  Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:11:03 -0700

  
  Sunday, September 16, 2001
  Florida Company Bans Old Glory From Offices

  In a shocking example of out-of-control political correctness, a Boca
  Raton, Florida company ordered managers to confiscate American flags
  from employees' desks, calling them divisive symbols that might =
offend
  someone's tender sensibilities.

  At a time when Americans all across the nation were being asked to
  display Old Glory in honor of the thousands who died in New York and
  Washington Tuesday, this outrageous assault on the company's =
employees'
  patriotism was justified by a top official of NCCI Holdings, Inc. as a
  gesture of compassion for those employees who might be offended by the
  sight of a flag for which tens of thousands of Americans laid down =
their
  lives to defend in past wars.

  The company which monitors workers compensation insurance data, told =
its
  850 Boca Raton employees that displays of nationalism had no place in
  the office.

  Divisive statements or actions, political or religious discussions =
and
  anything else that could be divisive or mean different things to
  different people are not appropriate in our work environment, wrote
  Chief Executive Officer Bill Schrempf in a memo to employees, =
according
  to the Palm Beach Post.

  It just boggles my mind that here in America or anywhere in America,
  one would be restricted from displaying it, one employee wrote in an
  e-mail to Schrempf a copy of which was sent to The Palm Beach Post. =
Too
  many people these days, including yourself, it seems, seem to forget
  what the flag symbolizes and that many men and women served to defend
  that flag. I think you should show a little more respect.

  Incredibly, one employee told the Post she was suspended and told to =
go
  home Friday morning when she refused to remove a small flag from her
  desk. The company refused to confirm whether it had asked any =
employees
  to leave, the Post reported.

  NCCI spokesman Michael Bullard told the Post the company has a
  long-standing policy of prohibiting employees from bringing political

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Re: [CTRL] U.S. Flag Offensive? (fwd)

[foxter]

That snivelingNCCI Company reneged. 
They will doubtless be back with other measures in the future, the leopard 
can't change its spots.

*

NCCI Changes Position,Gives Employees American Flags 
(Boca Raton, FL) NCCI Holdings, Inc., today announced that it has changed its 
position on flags in its workplace and offered any employees who wanted them 
American flags and red-white-and-blue lapel ribbons as they entered the 
workplace this morning.
President  CEO Bill Schrempf said he was meeting with employees this 
morning to explain the company's change and apologize for not permitting them to 
display the American flag on Friday during the National Day of Prayer and 
Remembrance.
In announcing the change, Schrempf indicated that NCCI's senior management 
team met over the weekend and decided to reverse the company's longstanding 
position, which had been intended to protect employees. 
This morning, the company took the following actions concerning the display 
of the American flag by its employees:1. Any interested employee can display 
an American flag on their desktop. Flags will be provided for this purpose, if 
employees would like to have one to display.2. Red, white  blue lapel 
remembrance ribbons are being provided for those who want to wear them.


  - Original Message 
-

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Yardbird 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:36 
  AM
  Subject: [CTRL] U.S. Flag Offensive? 
  (fwd)
  -Caveat Lector-[Note. Thanks to the several who 
  forwarded this, see below for emailaddresses for NCCI, thanks to Chester L 
  McWhorter Sr. - Tony]Monday, September 17More from 
  TheWireSaturday, September 15NCCI pulls workers' 
  flagsBy Phil Galewitz, Palm Beach Post Staff WriterSaturday, 
  September 15, 2001http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/saturday/business_3.htmlOn 
  a day of national mourning and prayer, a Boca Raton company had 
  itsmanagers confiscate some American flags from employees' cubicles, 
  sayingother workers might find them offensive.NCCI Holdings Inc., 
  a company that compiles workers compensation insurancedata, told its 850 
  Boca Raton employees that displays of nationalism had noplace in the 
  office."Divisive statements or actions, political or religious 
  discussions andanything else that could be divisive or mean different 
  things to differentpeople are not appropriate in our work environment," 
  Chief ExecutiveOfficer Bill Schrempf said Friday in a memo to 
  employees.Several employees complained about the flag prohibition. One 
  employee saidshe was suspended and told to go home Friday morning when she 
  refused toremove a small flag from her desk. The company refused to 
  confirm whetherit had asked any employees to leave."It just 
  boggles my mind that here in America or anywhere in America, onewould be 
  restricted from displaying it," one employee wrote in an e-mail toSchrempf 
  that also was sent to The Palm Beach Post. "Too many people thesedays, 
  including yourself, it seems, seem to forget what the flag symbolizesand 
  that many men and women served to defend that flag. I think you shouldshow 
  a little more respect."NCCI spokesman Michael Bullard said the company 
  has a long-standing policyof prohibiting employees from bringing political 
  or religious symbols intothe workplace.Fewer than 10 flags were 
  removed from cubicles, Bullard said. "It seems tome only a small number of 
  people are upset about this," he said.Palm Beach Gardens human 
  resources consultant Rita Craig said companiesneed to understand that 
  "right now, more than ever, people want tocelebrate the fact that they're 
  American.""Let's face it, this is the United States. Our flag 
  signifies our freedom,"Craig said. "It's not saying that other countries 
  are bad."Other large Palm Beach County employers, including Delray 
  Beach-basedOffice Depot and the Palm Beach County School District, allowed 
  theirworkers to display the flag at their desks.At FPL Group Inc. 
  in Juno Beach, some employees were given small flags,said Pat Davis, a 
  company spokeswoman.At Office Depot, the company sent an e-mail to 
  employees Thursdayencouraging them to wear red, white and blue clothing on 
  Friday, saidcompany spokesman Lauren Garvey.NCCI observed a moment 
  of silence at noon Friday, gathering its workers inthe headquarters' 
  atrium. The company also has offered to help businessesaffected by the 
  terrorist attacks. The attacks at the World Trade Centerand Pentagon will 
  generate thousands of workers compensation claims.NCCI said it was not 
  directly affected by Tuesday's terrorist attack,though some employees lost 
  family and friends, Bullard said.Gov. Jeb Bush this week urged all 
  Floridians with flags to fly them. Radiostations and various groups have 
  urged Americans to display the flag thisweek as a sign of national 
  strength and 

[CTRL] Fw: LONG LIVE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

[foxter]

- Original Message - 
From: foxter 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: LONG LIVE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF 
AMERICA

Ken,

Thank you foryour 
note. I had readthe company's recanting on its website.

I remain very concerned 
that prior to the WTC terrorist attack your company apparently had this policy 
of prior speech and expression restraint.And that the edict from 
your CEO has not been rescinded. Accordingly I wonder what other policies 
your management has. I see a pattern of First Amendment 
abuse.

To sacrifice freedom of 
association and freedom of expression to vague, freefloating fear of those who 
are overly sensitiveis counterproductive to say the very 
least. What confidence could be placed ina corporate 
management which protects those who would insensiblyassert that 
the flag of their country is"divisive"? 
Whoare so unattached to reality that they would straigt-facedly cry 
crocodile tears that they are "offended" by seeing that 
flag?What the heck does this say about your company?? It is still 
unbelieveable to me that this happened. I can posit:if 
Management is that afraid of the sentiments of its own employees, those it 
depends on to make it money and profit, then the employees have an equally 
intense disesteem for Management.

Per the CEO's 
memo:
"[Anything] that could [mean different 
things to different people] [is] not appropriate in our work 
environment," wrote Chief Executive Officer Bill Schrempf in a memo to 
employees, according to the Palm Beach Post.

That is what your CEO has 
said, in writing.


May God Bless America and put a stop 
tosuch persecution of patriots in this great land as shown by 
NCCI.



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:34 
  PM
  Subject: Re: LONG LIVE THE FLAG OF THE 
  UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
  NCCI has changed its position on flags in its workplace and 
  offered anyemployees who wanted them American flags and red-white-and blue 
  lapelribbons at a 11AM meeting of all NCCI employees. Thank 
  you!Ken 
  Christiansen 
  "foxter" 
  ifoxter@hotm 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
  ail.com 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
  09/17/2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
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  AM 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
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  cc: 
  Subject: LONG LIVE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF 
  AMERICAI urge you to ask management of your company to 
  reverse its actions inbanning flags on its 
  premises. NCCI is about to be made 
  the laughingstock of this country and 
  a target for hatred. I know I at 
  this time hold it in the highest of 
  contempt for this action. What NCCI managers have done is 
  heinous and 
  unforgiveable. If I do not hear of 
  a change of heart I am going to try my best 
  to boycott NCCI products, and have 
  others do so, too, in hopes that your 
  company will go out of business. I 
  am not blaming anyone individually except the one(s) at the 
  top who gave this order and any 
  who acted on their own to carry out 
  such a heinous initiative. I do 
  hope that, just as the WTC tragedy has brought this 
  entire country together it will 
  galvanize NCCI employees to stand up 
  for the liberty they have in our 
  borders. Until then, I don't see 
  that any NCCI employee can trust its 
  management for any reason 
  whatsoever. 
  As he died to make men holy, Let us 
  die to make men free GOD, BLESS 
  AMERICA

Re: [CTRL] Petition

[foxter]

COUNT 
ME OUT.


As we must separate 
in our thinking religious Muslims from ethnic Muslims, we must separate justice from 
desire for peace. 
Ever heard of peace 
through strength?

I refuse toturn 
this country over to terrorists who desire murder through strength.
Like, does Oliver 
North grab some protegees,hijack an Arab jumbo jet with hundreds aboard, 
and kamakaze it into an oil well? 



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Re: [CTRL] Mood of the U.S.

[foxter]

Maybe it takes time 
to get them ready to go and the plane was closer to Boston than NY at the 
time.



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  Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:58 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Mood of the 
U.S.
  -Caveat Lector-On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Steve 
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  was notnotified of the approaching plane, while the one at Langley, VA 
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  hijacked planes that crashed into the WTC -- at the time thefighters were 
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Re: [CTRL] Robertson Defends Falwell

[foxter]

I saw Robertson 
interviewed.
He did not adopt 
Falwell's statement.




  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:21 
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  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Robertson Defends 
  Falwell
  -Caveat Lector-Today it was reported on some station I 
  was watching that they're nowbackpedaling, saying that their statements 
  shouldn't be construed to meanthat they don't hold the terrorists to be 
  the sole ones responsible forthe disaster...I suspect that they 
  got inundated with irate calls from ex-supporters whovowed never to send 
  them another dollar, and THAT is what promptedtheir equivocation 
  :-7June===Check 
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Re: [CTRL] But Mr. President, Can You HEAR Us?

[foxter]

I'm with the 
President all the way.
And I didn't even 
lose anybody in this act of war against the US.

May the materialism 
of this country stop blinding us to our political enemies.
May looseheaded 
would-be pacifists start thinking of protecting those they love, those they 
spawned.

To this lady and 
others that don't get it, this is WAR ! Wake up and smell the chemicals in the 
air. 


 W A R ! ! ! 
!






  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  William Shannon 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:15 
  AM
  Subject: [CTRL] But Mr. President, Can 
  You HEAR Us?
  http://www.mediamonitors.net/index.html 
  "I can hear you, the rest of the world can hear 
  you," 
  BUT Mr. President, Can you HEAR us… by Cathleen Hall 
  As tragic as the collapse of the twin towers and the crash into the 
  pentagon is, there is further tragedy that is quickly approaching. It is a 
  tragedy that only we can avoid, but it is highly unlikely and not many care, 
  since the tragedy does not occur on United States soil this time. Mr. 
  President, you have assured the nation and the world of the imminent attack on 
  any terrorist, any group, any individual who is deemed suspicious and any 
  person or country harboring such people or groups (whether knowingly or 
  unknowingly). You have claimed to be a very loving man, but that you 
  have a job to do. I know that you are fairly new in your role as the president 
  of the United States and that you have promised the nation, you must show your 
  opponents, the world and the Americans who are so upset and believe that only 
  a strike of massive scale can fill the void in their hearts. But before you 
  give your first order of attack, I urge you to stop, to step away from the 
  pressures and to truly sit and think for a moment. Just slightly over 
  a decade ago, your father faced a very difficult decision as well. Back then I 
  was just a young college kid; just twenty years old, as both Jenna and Barbara 
  will be very soon. The whole concept of war fascinated me, because it was 
  something I had often read about in history class, but had never actually 
  experienced in my lifetime. My mind flashed to thoughts of what I had heard my 
  grandmother talk about during World War II Germany. Bombs dropping all around 
  her, as she tried to retrieve some husks of corn from the fields, which in 
  those days were only used for cattle, while the children up and down the 
  street were starving, as all the food was given up for the soldiers, per 
  Hitler's decree. She was suffering, her children were suffering, because of 
  one mad [Austrian] man who was in charge of her country at that time. 
  I filled my gas tank, stock piled my groceries and settled in for a 
  long drawn out war. But this war was different, this war was almost a sort of 
  entertainment shown nightly on the television, with bright flashes into a dark 
  night as we hit Iraqi targets. Some believed to be chemical warfare plants 
  (turning out to be a baby formula factory). I remember being so proud of all 
  of our soldiers taking out all those "military installations". I never asked 
  any questions, and I had never been more proud to be an American. I realized 
  why both my father and mother had worked for us in NATO and was never more 
  patriotic. Of course now we have had ten years of sanctions, Saddam is 
  still alive and gaining weight with every passing day it appears, while also 
  wining and dining as many people he chooses at his palace, complete with 
  tennis courts and lush gardens. The babies in the hospital die of leukemia 
  from the depleted uranium that was shelled out and dying of starvation or 
  dysentery from the untreated water. The mortality rate for children under age 
  five has gone up nine times higher since before the Gulf War. The previous 
  administration [specifically Madeline Albright] stated that she thought the 
  "price was worth it", as apparently the sanctions were helpful to do 
  something, and the dying children were a casualty of war. I am not quite sure 
  of the benefits, as Saddam is still alive and kicking and seems not to notice 
  that his country is under sanctions. I have grown more mature since 
  then. I now have two young children of my own. Now when I look back on this, I 
  wonder how we could have done something so tragic and how we can continue to 
  do so. One year ago, the Second Intifadah started. All my life I 
  always heard my mother stating that these people would end up killing 
  themselves and the world. I did not know what the conflict was about, and I 
  did not really care to know when I was younger. But now, I wanted to know. So 
  I studied and I read. I did not just read the common newspaper for my 
  information, I tried to dig deeper. When I found out what the 
  situation really was and how it had truly started, I was very upset. I was 
  further upset when I saw what the 

Re: [CTRL] But Mr. President, Can You HEAR Us?

[foxter]

I define war as two 
people/countries/entities who want power over each other doing things to get 
that power. Doesn't matter who creates it. We are embroiled in it, 
it is WAR. If I was at war with someone, I would creat MANY conflicts - 
hoping to win them all.

Whether as I think 
you suggest there are people/entitles more powerful than the Bin Laden org. that 
are orchestrating this - well, ok but it is still at the World Trade Center Twin 
Tower level WAR.

In a message dated 9/15/01 8:15:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:To 
this lady and others that don't get it, this is WAR ! Wake up 
andsmell the chemicals in the 
air. W A R ! 
! ! !This ain't war this is a created conflict, with nefarious 
designs.Omk

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Islamic Arabic Male baby Names

[foxter]

Saba,
Thank you for a 
meaningful and useful post to the group.
Foxter



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Saba 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:57 
  AM
  Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Islamic  Arabic 
  Male baby Names
  Meaning of name Osama - is he sleeping lion or getting to be 
  old lion.He claims he had no hand in destruction of World Trade Center and 
  Ibelieve him - he has famly in USA who live comfortable lives - 
  Osamacould live like King with his money but he states they kill this 
  Osamahundreds more will arise.What about this Black House of 
  Israel and this Black Moslem Movement -and that We Shall Overcome 
  crap?SabaNames often hold many meanings - there is a big 
  difference between aLion and a Fiery Flying Serpent..But 
  Scales of Libra, Sting of Scorpio, and then the Archer - who huntsbut then 
  it is said the hunger often becomes, the 
hunted.

[CTRL] Emergency Numbers for Martin and Others

[foxter]

FEMA Help Line1-800-462-9029  
Missing Family and Friends Hotline 1-866-856-4167 
1-212-741-4626 1-212-560-2730 
 
American Airlines Hotline 1-800-245-0999 
 
United Airlines Hotline 1-800-932-8555 
 
Office of Victims of Crime U.S. Dept. of 
Justice 1-800-331-0075  
NYC Firefighter's Hotline 1-718-999-2541 
 
FBI Crime Reporting Web Site  
Morgan Stanley 1-866-761-8365 
 
Blue Cross/Blue Shield 1-866-761-8365 
 
US State Department International Travel Advisory Hotline 1-202-647-5335  
Donating the Services of Medical Personnel Registered Nurses 
and Emergency Medical Services 1-800-628-0193 
 
Doctors 1-518-431-7600 
 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001

[foxter]

Somebody on tv said 
they had gone down the stairs from the I think 50th floor to I think the 30th 
and the speakers came on and said they should go back to their offices; he said 
they looked at each other, said, "naaa", kept going to the 
ground and lived.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  RevCOAL 

  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:58 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on 
  Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001
  -Caveat Lector-On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Amelia 
  wrote:If you hear any more about the person telling people to stay 
  calmand stay in the building, please post it.Nope, nothing 
  more today, but then there weren't many survivors hangingaround to be 
  interviewed...Could she have beenwell-intended and 
  just somebody who thought she would avert panicby doing this? Or 
  do you think something far more sinister?While the female survivor 
  just reported that 'someone told us to stopleaving and herded us into this 
  room on the 12th floor where a TV wasplaying...', the construction worker 
  specifically stated 'some guy toldus to stay put and not 
  evacuate'...The contruction worker didn't mention any room with a TV, 
  I'm not sure ifhe and the woman survivor were even in the same building or 
  each inseparate towers...If it was just one incident, one could 
  perhaps brush it off as misguidedadvice from a well-meaning anonymous 
  individual...but the fact that 2people in 2 separate incidents report an 
  attempt to keep them insideinstead of evacuating, and the possibility that 
  it was 2 separate peopledoing this, I think raises questions about what 
  was going on...Especially when one muses on why there just happened to 
  be what seemed tobe a collection area for evacuees on the 12th floor with 
  a TV setup...according to this woman, there was nothing else in the room 
  exceptthe TV and people milling about, wondering what to 
  do...According to this woman, they were specifically stopped IN THE 
  STAIRWELLby this person, who seemed to be stationed deliberately at the 
  12th floorlevel to divert evacuees to this mysterious empty room with the 
  TV.But if that person was still there when the woman and her 
  friends decidedto book out again, at least he or she did not stop them a 
  2nd time...But I do have to wonder how many other people were still 
  milling around,watching that TV on the 12th floor, when the building 
  collapsed...Also, I have been so proud of the behavior of the 
  New Yorkers!New Yorkers, no less! Behaving in a very civilized 
  manner and showingcompassion and helping each other.You 
  obviously don't know the Big Apple and its residents well...thishappens 
  all the time, albeit on a much smaller scale. New Yorkers alwayspull 
  together in a crisis... :-)I thought they did not 
  care,etc. and even prided themselves on their bad 
  attitude.Ah! You see, they really care too much, and hide their 
  collectivemarshmallow interior with a hard, tough 
  veneer...Even whenthey were running as the buildings 
  collapsed and all of the debriswas coming right up the street after 
  them, there was no pushing, noshoving and people actually picked up 
  anybody who fell.Yep...that's Big Applites fer ya!Although 
  late this afternoon they showed an evacuation from one of thebuildings 
  near the WTC which is about to collapse...there was a cameracrew in the 
  lobby, along with a whole bunch of rescue personnel, when thebuilding 
  started shaking and they thought it was about to fall...The cameraman 
  kept filming as they all hightailed it out there...as heran thru the lobby 
  doors with dozens of rescue personnel running in frontand past him (and 
  those outside starting to run as people shout "Get outof the area, it's 
  about to fall!"), suddenly a woman pushes past -- shehadn't been visible 
  before that. I suspect that she was part of thecamera crew, as she 
  was wearing clean crisp designer jeans and a niceclean, white shirt...in 
  other words, it didn't look like she had beentaking an active part in the 
  rescue operation. Plus she had a designerknapsack on her 
  back...Well, she was the only womanand everyone had to squeeze 
  thru a narrowarea because of the constrictions of debris, abandoned cars, 
  etc. Someof the guys just milled, wondering whether they should 
  leave or not.Some others were weighed down with rescue equipment. In 
  other words,most couldn't move very fastAnd suddenly you see 
  this babe just elbowing her way thru the crowd...itwas obvious that she 
  was very afraid and wanted to put as much spacebetween herself and the 
  dangerous building as possible, and wasn't goingto let a little thing like 
  manners get in the way... :-)That's Big Applites fer ya, 
  too! ;-)One man passing out sneakers from his store to 
  those women with noshoes! What is the world coming to? New 
  Yorkers are going to losetheir reputation for being 

[CTRL] Emergency Numbers for Martin and Others - II

[foxter]

 York and 
the New York Community Trust haveestablished a fund to help the victims of 
the attacks and theirfamilies. The September Eleventh Fund will provide 
immediate support toestablished emergency assistance agencies. Anyone 
wishing to contributemay send their donations in care of United Way, 2 Park 
Ave, New York,New York, 10016, or call: (212) 251-4035.Donations are 
also being accepted on United Way of New York City's Web site:http://www.uwnyc.org.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  foxter 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:49 
  AM
  Subject: [CTRL] Emergency Numbers for 
  Martin and Others
  
   
  
  FEMA Help Line1-800-462-9029  
  Missing Family and Friends Hotline 1-866-856-4167 
  1-212-741-4626 1-212-560-2730 
   
  American Airlines Hotline 1-800-245-0999 
   
  United Airlines Hotline 1-800-932-8555 
   
  Office of Victims of Crime U.S. Dept. of 
  Justice 1-800-331-0075  
  NYC Firefighter's Hotline 1-718-999-2541 
   
  FBI Crime Reporting Web Site  
  Morgan Stanley 1-866-761-8365 
   
  Blue Cross/Blue Shield 1-866-761-8365 
   
  US State Department International Travel Advisory Hotline 1-202-647-5335  
  Donating the Services of Medical Personnel Registered Nurses 
  and Emergency Medical Services 1-800-628-0193 
   
  Doctors 1-518-431-7600 
   
  

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] The Bombings -- Start Taking Notes

[foxter]

I have taped NBC 
coverage live since l0 am.
People are welcome to 
a copy of the videotapes,I am soon to start #3, but I have no 
facility to reproduce it.



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nurev Ind. 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:25 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] The 
  Bombings -- Start Taking Notes
  -Caveat Lector-Kris Millegan 
  wrote: 
   
  Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] The Bombings -- Start Taking Notes Date: Tue, 11 
  Sep 2001 09:49:33 -0700 From: "Mike Ruppert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: "CIA Drugs list" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Now is the time that all of us need to be the best investigators that we 
  can possibly be. I suggest that, in the earliest moments, some of us 
  take responsibility for monitoring CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox and MS-NBC 
  to log reports as they come in. As with previous stories of lesser 
  magnitude our strengths lay in keeping side by side evaluations and 
  watching for discrepancies and alterations.Nurev is on 
  it.J2 Effective response and evaluation will be 
  based upon fact and careful analysis. These first minutes and hours 
  are critical and we will never have them again. Please try to avoid 
  speculation as you what will happen or who did what. We only waste the 
  precious minutes that we have that will never be here 
  again. Whatever is going to happen is now beyond our control. 
  It is already too late to change these immediate events. I have the 
  same fears as all of you. I strongly suspect that martial law will be 
  imposed fairly quickly. Avoid speculation, please and become 
  information vampires. Prayers and peace to 
  all. Mike Ruppert www.copvcia.comA HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION 
   DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion  informational 
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  spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, 
  CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to 
  readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust 
  denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, 
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Re: [CTRL] 9-11-XX

[foxter]

Does it for me, 
thanks Bill


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  William Shannon 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 6:13 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] 9-11-XX
  How about 9-11-78 Signing of Camp David Accords... 
  Bill. 

Re: [CTRL] malaysian satanic youth

[foxter]

My friend from 
Malaysia has this to say on the excerpt I sent him:



- Original Message - 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:07 
PM
Subject: Heavy metal fans


Greetings 
This group is not so dangerous as the paper 
wrote.
These young students are after the 
music.
The government uncovered another group the fanatic 
Malaysian Muslim group that boomed the Malaysian embassy in Jakarta,Indonesia. 
This group is more in the state of Perak in which state I live.
During this time another matter raised which 
shocked the nation.VCD, CD and video tapes of phonograph was found to be selling 
in open market.A school boy was caught having oral sex with another student in 
his bag was found a CD too.A number of students were found to be watching 
phonograph in the houses when the parents are out at work.They also pass Cd to 
other students.This is the very hot new here in Malaysia at this 
moment.



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Smart News 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 1:39 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] malaysian satanic 
  youth
  -Caveat Lector-Dear list,Below please 
  find info on this.Dope for Satan - Malaysia to 
  Medicate - Young 'Satanic' Heavy Metal FansKuala Lumpur, 8/13 — Malaysia 
  will medicate youths it says belong to aSatanic heavy metal music cult, a 
  newspaper said today. About 150 alleged"Black Metal" members from 15 
  schools would begin a program used for drugaddicts from Tuesday, the New 
  Straits Times saidThe government said lastmonth it had unearthed a 
  cult whose members it said practiced animalsacrifice and destroyed 
  religious textsexcerpt from :http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/satan010813.htmlA 
  HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION 
   DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion  informational 
  exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. 
  Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These aresordid matters and 
  'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright 
  fraudsis used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects 
  spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, 
  CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to 
  readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust 
  denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, 
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[CTRL] Why Not Allegiance? [was The Pledge of Allegiance]

[foxter]

PLEASE,
Let me be the first 
to circulate a petition to eject Jello Biafra from our land.
When he/she comes to 
his/her senses he/she can come back.


PETITION


I, 
_, want Jello Biafra to go to Mozambique, Korea and like places 
as soon as possible.


SIGNED: 


DATED: 
_


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  radtimes 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 1:11 
  PM
  Subject: [CTRL] The Pledge of 
  Allegiance
  -Caveat Lector-The Pledge of Allegianceby Jello 
  BiafraI pledge defiance to the flag

Re: [CTRL] Caucasians for Reparation

[foxter]

Wow I was way offbase, I 
thought this was a group of white people banding together to seek justice of the 
ills of reverse discrimination. 



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  magnetic_field 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:30 
  PM
  Subject: [CTRL] Caucasians for 
  Reparation
  
  http://africancultures.about.com/library/weekly/aa070801a.htm?PM=n3080201c 

Re: [CTRL] Caucasians for Reparation

[foxter]

people in the US who others 
would call caucasian


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  c. 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:26 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Caucasians for 
  Reparation
  
  do you mean european americans when you say 
  white? ;)
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
foxter 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:21 
PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Caucasians for 
Reparation


Wow I was way offbase, I 
thought this was a group of white people banding together to seek justice of 
the ills of reverse discrimination. 



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  magnetic_field 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:30 
  PM
  Subject: [CTRL] Caucasians for 
  Reparation
  
  http://africancultures.about.com/library/weekly/aa070801a.htm?PM=n3080201c 

Re: [CTRL] Interesting

[foxter]

What - with genetically 
engineered treats you are dismayed?? Hm.

Perhaps it will help to 
remember that worldwide pollution standards are in the offing - so that 
variances and other deals can be afforded to deserving corporations and 
countries all around the globe, where every species of animal and human 
lives. Just think of how much of an improvement in health and welfare that 
will be and you can truly have hope.

As for the animal species 
loss, well just about every metropolitan area all around the globe has them for 
us to see - safely behind bars, screens and glass - so one can rest 
assured that we are indeed saving the animals and not hurting them.

Coughingly 
yours,
foxter



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Prudence L. Kuhn 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 9:10 
  AM
  Subject: [CTRL] Interesting
  -Caveat Lector-I really wish I could feel there was 
  hope. PrudySubject: [The_Spike] Study: Ancient humans decimated 
  ocean species, damagedecosystems Study: Ancient humans 
  decimated ocean species, damaged ecosystems By PAUL RECER - AP 
  Science Writer Date: 07/26/01 08:47 http://www.kcstar.com/item/pages/home.pat,local/3accd94a.726,.html 
  WASHINGTON -- Humans started destroying the natural abundance of the 
  seas thousands of years ago and tipped a delicate balance that left 
  the environment more vulnerable to the excesses of the modern age, a 
  study shows. By widespread slaughter of sea turtles in 
  the Caribbean, or sea cows offthe coast of Australia, or sea 
  otters near Alaska, ancient humans started a damaging cascade that 
  changed the Earth, researchers say in a study appearing Friday in the 
  journal Science. It still is being felt. "There's been a 
  longtime belief that everything was fine until the ... Europeans 
  showed up," said Karen Bjordal, a zoology professor at the University 
  of Florida. "Now we've discovered that the start of the environmental 
  problems (in the sea) go way back before that." "The notion of 
  the native peoples of having a benign impact on the environment in 
  their vicinity has been challenged," said Charles Petersonof the 
  University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. "The general feeling is 
  that there were dramatic effects locally and not a prudent predation" 
  by ancient humans long before the Colonial and industrial 
  eras. Based on combined research of 19 scientists on four 
  continents, the study shows that careless and excessive harvesting of 
  food from the sea as early as 10,000 years ago caused changes in the 
  ecosystems and made the environment more easily damaged by the 
  wholesale exploitation of modernman. James Acheson, a 
  marine scientist at the University of Maine, called the research "a 
  breath of fresh air" in the understanding of marine ecologyand how 
  it has been affected by humans. "They are pointing toward a 
  new way to look at the oceans," said Acheson. "They show that human 
  predation preceded all the other damage" done to the 
  oceans. In the study, researchers analyze the effect that the 
  loss of species hasha d on the intricate food web of coastal areas 
  in the Americas, Australiaand Europe. Included was an analysis of 
  kitchen debris left by ancient humans; reports on the abundance of sea 
  life by explorers in the 18th and 19th centuries; and modern wildlife 
  population studies. "It is astonishing the effect we have had 
  on the Earth," said Peterson. Bjorndal said algae now choking 
  and killing many coral reefs in the Caribbean can be traced to the 
  slaughter more than 3,000 years ago of the green sea turtle and to 
  other animals that grazed on the sea plant. She said a study 
  of kitchen refuse piles from the Amerindian peoples who first settled 
  the Caribbean showed that they depended heavily on the sea turtle for 
  food. The animals were easy to catch as they regularly lumbered ashore 
  to lay eggs on the semitropical islands. Bjorndal said an 
  analysis of the kitchen refuse piles at ancient island village sites 
  shows that at first "a large amount of the meat the people lived on 
  was sea turtle." But evidence of turtle slaughter in the 
  kitchen refuse grew less and less with the passage of time until, 
  finally, "The turtles disappear entirely.It is clear the nesting 
  colonies were wiped out," she said. With the turtle gone, the 
  people turned to other food, such as the large parrot fish, a meaty 
  dweller of the reef. Those, too, eventually became scarce, as did 
  other plant-eating animals. "We reduced the system to one 
  plant-eating species," a type of sea urchin, said Bjorndal. "The 
  system continued to function, but it was incredibly 
  vulnerable." That was shown when, starting 15 years ago, 
  disease wiped out the sea urchin, she said. Algae quickly exploded in 
  growt

Re: [CTRL] Is this America?

[foxter]

Title: Is this America?



RE: 
Apparently the brain police have taken control: 

This man violated the letter 
of th law. They enforced it, probably because it was related to his 
original conviction of peddling pornography of children. I say good 
riddance to bad rubbish.


***


Still, Dalton was guilty of pandering obscenity because he 
"did create, reproduce or publish any obscene material that has a minor as one 
of its participants or portrayed observers," the indictment 
said."Even without passing it on to anyone 
else, he committed a felony," Domis said.

***

Wolman said hecouldn't recall an obscenity case 
involving "mere words that were not disseminated." Dalton said he never intended 
anyone else to read the journal."It is just this kind of thing, I think, that is a misapplication of 
what the law intends," Wolman said."The law hasn't really been 
challenged and he would have had the opportunity to do that," defense attorney 
Isabella Dixon said. "But the cost to him is a lot of time in jail to challenge 
it."

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: How to Stop Bush Amnesty of 3 Million Illegal Aliens

[foxter]

This proves to me there isn't 
much difference between ragging done to Dems and ragging done to Reps 
.
Either way you read this text 
it sounds like Newspeak. Were are VALUES in this country, they are 
MIA.

==
AN URGENT MESSAGE from 
Citizens.AntiClinton.Lobby.com
July 17, 2001
==
(Washington, DC) 
President Clinton is about to grant amnesty to over 3
million illegal criminal aliens. A recent report by Mr.Clinton's own
officials at the State and Justice Departments has recommended that he
approve eventual citizenship to millions of mostly Mexican illegal
immigrants. Where is the "compassionate conservatism" for American
citizens whose tax dollars line the pockets of these border-runners,
lawbreakers and thieves?

After 8 years of Reagan-Bush, Clinton may seem right on many issues, but he 
is
wrong on immigration! Our President is about to squash our dignity and
rights as American citizens in order to pander to the anti-American 
agenda
of Mexican President Vicente Fox, and to the liberal Democrats in
Congress. snip

Help stop this amnesty, and help President Clinton understand the virtues 
of
American citizenship. Please join CitizensLobby.com in taking the
following grass-roots action:

#1 Tell President Clinton to reject this illegal alien scheme. Call (800)
303-8332 or (202) 456-1414; Fax: (202) 456-2461; Write: 1600 Pennsylvania
Ave. NW, Washington, DC 20500 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
You
can also call Timothy Goeglein, WH Public Liaison, at (202) 456-2930, and
Karl Rove, chief strategist, at (202) 456-5587. These gentlemen give 
Clinton
pillow talk on this issue.

#2 Tell Congress to oppose this measure. The Clinton plan may eventually
encompass an even more radical amnesty proposed by Rep. Luis Gutierrez
(H.R. 500), which could grant amnesty to as many as 10 million illegal
aliens! Contact your Congressman and tell him to oppose the Clinton plan 
and
H.R. 500. Call the congressional switchboard at (800) 648-3516 or (877)
762-8762 or go to http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.html . In the
Senate, lackey Phil Gramm is pushing for an expansion of a "guest worker"
program, an equally miserable measure that will still grant amnesty to
millions of illegal criminal aliens. Contact your Senators 
at
http://www.senate.gov/senators/index.cfm .

#3 Visit http://www.CitizensLobby.com and sign our Petition on
immigration http://www.citizenslobby.com/petitions.htm#immigration . We
will make your voice heard on Capitol Hill and deliver your petition to 
the
House and Senate Judiciary subcommittees on immigration.
Help take America back. This is our country. Our rights should not be
trampled and demeaned by illegal aliens. Our tax dollars should not fund
criminal lawbreaking. If an amnesty does take hold, this will only lead 
to
a greater invasion of illegal immigrants. Please take a stand today. I
thank you for your time and consideration.

Re: [CTRL] Castro opens Elian museum

[foxter]

Kindly, what is the source 
for this? 
Thank you.



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  c. 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 5:27 AM
  Subject: [CTRL] Castro opens Elian 
  museum
  
  Sunday, 15 
  July, 2001, 01:50 GMT 02:50 UKCastro opens Elian 
  museumCastro waves the flag for Elian and baby brother 
  HiannyBy Daniel Schweimler in CardenasCuban President Fidel Castro 
  has opened a museum where the central theme isthe story of the young Cuban 
  boy, Elian Gonzalez.Right behind you, sonElian was 
  shipwrecked trying to reach the United States and became thesubject of a 
  long and bitter custody battle between his relatives in Miami,backed by 
  the anti-Castro Cuban American community there, and his father,supported 
  by the Cuban Government.The Oscar Maria Rojas Museum in his hometown, 
  Cardenas, 135km (85 miles)east of the capital Havana, is known as the 
  Museum for the Battle of Ideasand focuses on the fight for the return of 
  Elian.It shows pictures of the boy reunited with his father, the Cuban 
  flag thatflew outside his grandparents' house during the ordeal and 
  letters ofsupport from both the United States and 
  Cuba.JubilationWhen the courts in the United States ruled that Elian 
  Gonzalez could go homethere was jubilation in Cuba.Castro has 
  befriended the Gonzalez familyElian returned to his home town of 
  Cardenas in central Cuba in June 2000 toin theory lead a normal 
  life.But he is accompanied by bodyguards, Cubans still wear t-shirts 
  bearing hisface and the slogan 'We saved Elian', and President Castro 
  attended hisseventh birthday party.On Saturday Fidel Castro addressed 
  a crowd, made up mostly of flag-wavingschoolchildren, in a square behind 
  the new museum.Elian's family were guests of honour.Elian has 
  become a national heroPresident Castro praised their bravery and 
  dignity and spoke of how close hehas grown to them.Elian's return to 
  Cuba after a long and highly publicised custody battle inMiami was seen by 
  the Cuban authorities as a huge moral victory over theUnited 
  States.Elian, now seven years old, survived the shipwreck which killed his 
  mother,and was taken in by his family in Miami who tried to prevent him 
  returningto his father in Cuba.They failed and Cuba's most famous 
  child became a symbol of what the Cubanauthorities hail as the latest in a 
  long list of victories over their oldenemy, the United 
  States.

Re: [CTRL] Castro opens Elian museum

[foxter]

  
  c,
  
  Many Merci beaucoups from 
  New Hampshire.
  I think this is astounding 
  news.
  
  Am sending this to the list so others 
  can see it too. Did not know you are from the UK.
  
  Thanks,
  foxter
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
c. 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 9:14 
AM
Subject: [offlist] Re: Re: [CTRL] 
Castro opens Elian museum

hey foxter
from the bbc website
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1439000/1439443.stm

mailed offlist as i have used all 7 ctrls 
today

c.


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  foxter 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 1:51 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Castro opens 
  Elian museum
  
  Kindly, what is the 
  source for this? 
  Thank 
you.
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
c. 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 5:27 
AM
Subject: [CTRL] Castro opens Elian 
museum

Sunday, 15 
July, 2001, 01:50 GMT 02:50 UKCastro opens Elian 
museumCastro waves the flag for Elian and baby brother 
HiannyBy Daniel Schweimler in CardenasCuban President Fidel 
Castro has opened a museum where the central theme isthe story of the 
young Cuban boy, Elian Gonzalez.Right behind you, 
sonElian was shipwrecked trying to reach the United States and 
became thesubject of a long and bitter custody battle between his 
relatives in Miami,backed by the anti-Castro Cuban American community 
there, and his father,supported by the Cuban Government.The Oscar 
Maria Rojas Museum in his hometown, Cardenas, 135km (85 miles)east of 
the capital Havana, is known as the Museum for the Battle of Ideasand 
focuses on the fight for the return of Elian.It shows pictures of the 
boy reunited with his father, the Cuban flag thatflew outside his 
grandparents' house during the ordeal and letters ofsupport from both 
the United States and Cuba.JubilationWhen the courts in the United 
States ruled that Elian Gonzalez could go homethere was jubilation in 
Cuba.Castro has befriended the Gonzalez familyElian 
returned to his home town of Cardenas in central Cuba in June 2000 toin 
theory lead a normal life.But he is accompanied by bodyguards, Cubans 
still wear t-shirts bearing hisface and the slogan 'We saved Elian', and 
President Castro attended hisseventh birthday party.On Saturday 
Fidel Castro addressed a crowd, made up mostly of 
flag-wavingschoolchildren, in a square behind the new museum.Elian's 
family were guests of honour.Elian has become a national 
heroPresident Castro praised their bravery and dignity and spoke of 
how close hehas grown to them.Elian's return to Cuba after a long 
and highly publicised custody battle inMiami was seen by the Cuban 
authorities as a huge moral victory over theUnited States.Elian, now 
seven years old, survived the shipwreck which killed his mother,and was 
taken in by his family in Miami who tried to prevent him returningto his 
father in Cuba.They failed and Cuba's most famous child became a symbol 
of what the Cubanauthorities hail as the latest in a long list of 
victories over their oldenemy, the United 
  States.

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: every brain will have one

[Foxter]

Kris,
Possible to reprint 
this? Can't get to the link. Hope it's not me.
Thanks,
Foxter



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kris Millegan 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 11:37 
AM
  Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: every brain will 
  have one
  

Re: [CTRL] Muslim Woman Denied French ID Over Headscarf (fwd)

[Foxter]

So June what changed things with the Islams?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  YnrChyldzWyld 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 8:07 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Muslim Woman Denied 
  French ID Over Headscarf (fwd)
  
  


  

From: Prudence L. Kuhn
The Prophet Muhammad himself wouldprobably be puzzled at 
the dress of Muslim women today and possibly by thestrange 
behavior of Muslim men towards Muslim women. It is recorded that 
hehad respect and consideration towards women. One of his wives 
became a hoja.
Just as Jesus would probably be as equally puzzled with the strange 
behavior and hate that many of those who call themselves 'Christian' 
display...

Islam was originally quite positive towards women, and Islamic women 
of the Middle Ages enjoyed much more autonomy and respect in their 
societies than Christian women of the same era received in theirs. 
Not only did Mohammed show respect and deference to women, his daughters 
were the ones who carried on his message after his death and were 
accorded full rights and the same respect that their father had 
had...




June

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Re: [CTRL] Religion The Brain

[Foxter]

Right, plus the spiritual 
realm is on a different plane of experience than the mental or emotional. 
There's no reason the spiritual realm can't exist parallel with the 
nonspiritual, which it does.


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  tenebroust 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:45 
PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Religion  The 
  Brain
  -Caveat Lector-I fail to see the controversy in this 
  issue, it seems to me that there is no way to determine which came first God 
  or the brain which thinks of him. Religious experience is also a very 
  personal thing and is experienced markedly differently between any two people 
  and thus will always be unquantifiable.

[CTRL] Contracting out [was Algeria Exploding]

[Foxter]

Saba,

The f. government is studying 
how to contract out most government employee functions. Those pesky 
American workers, don't you know. Your post made me realize it's just a short time until 
contracting out to retired ex-employees, and then the general public, can lead 
to international contracting out. What a mess. What a loss. 
Bye Bye USA.

Foxter


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Aleisha Saba 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 1:45 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Algeria Exploding - 
  Many Hundreds of Thousand Take to the Streets
  This is what Jesse Jackson had planned for USA if Bush 
  won...threatsto take to the streets?This is what happened in 
  Cincinnati, Ohio which looked like a war zone -but the home of Proctor 
  Gamble, do you think they will get away withmuch of this 
  stuff?Usual suspects? Note looting - one American in Kuwait when 
  the Iraqi'sinvaded their country, said "When are you Americans coming over 
  here{she was obvious American] - why "they even stole my TV and 
  VCR".Been a lot cheaper to send over a lot of TVs and VCRs than to go 
  to warand murder these people for the blacks in Cincinnati looted the 
  storesbut managed to murder one white man who had done them no 
  harm.Like South Africa? Mugabee and his butchers - 
  murdering white farmersand nothing was done here so now suddenly these 
  animals want food fornobody left to grow food for them.the land is 
  theirs, and theybutchered their own - and all this stuff is orchestrated 
  and by whom?Big Red Star and in September, October, and November it 
  burns brighterand brighter and brighter.So - they still want to 
  take our guns away?How lovely - imagine every white man and woman in 
  Cincinnati by now hasan arsenal and await the attack should some of the 
  people decide tocross the lines, into the "more affluent" 
  areas?One year of Clinton's income would no doubt feed a lot of people 
  - ofthe 9 million children whom they say goes to bed hungry every night 
  overhere?Note our TV sets never show the very, very poor looking 
  on hungry, as apig like Kissinger sits at table dropping the crumbs to fhe 
  floor forthe kids..today though they seem to live by the words of 
  theMurderer's Bible "first let the kids be killed", and the crumbs 
  thentruly go to the dogs.In the last week in Ohio 4,000 more jobs 
  lost to Mexico - do not buyproducts for you see in order for these 
  bastards to accomplish theirgoals, we have to buy these productsBuy 
  American and one would thinkthese cororupt Union Leaders would be out full 
  force - it took the womento Take on Marc Rich - a corrupt bastard whom I 
  would like to see Arabsfind for one day - for the women of the Steel 
  Workers took him on whenhe tried to destroy their Union.Buy 
  American is the only way.unless you like to buy shoes andclothing that 
  must be fumigated for disease before it enters thiscountry. 
  (Leprosy, AIDS, wonder how that stuff spreads so much for theycannot blame 
  this all on homosexual lovers, can 
they?)Saba

Re: [CTRL] Disturbing

[Foxter]

I think it has to do more with the fear of 
gestappoism than freedoms.



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  William Shannon 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 6:36 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Disturbing
  In a message dated 6/9/01 1:12:32 PM Central Daylight 
  Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
  
  How come you guys whine so loud about your civil liberties when 
the issue is your religion, but you're silent about my civil liberties 
when the issues is which drugs I am allowed to take? Could it be that 
you are a bunch of self serving hypocrites who only groan when their ox 
is gored, or am I jumping to conclusions? 
  Excellent questions!!! Will await answers... 
  Bill. 

Re: [CTRL] NetZero: Juno Merger Announcement

[Foxter]

I have not kept my computer turned 
on and attached to a modem and I havae not been discontinued from 
Juno.
I am on both juno and 
netzero.



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  YnrChyldzWyld 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 5:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] NetZero: Juno Merger 
  Announcement
  
  


  
In case any NetZero member isn't aware of it, a few months ago Juno 
instituted a policy requiring all members to make their computers 
available to the service so that they could use members' hardware to run 
various computations (at least that's what we were told they were doing 
with our computers)...

In other words, as part of your agreement to be a Juno member, you 
had to agree to keep your computer turned on and attached to a modem so 
that Juno could access your computer at will to use it to run programs 
that it said it was running for companies that had paid for the service; 
Juno claimed that it was doing this as a way to keep its service 
'free'. If a member did not allow this access, we were told that 
their Juno membership would be discontinued.

My guess is that NetZero members will soon find themselves 
presented with this demand to make their computers available to the 
service, too...



June

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Re: [CTRL] rWhite House property destruction by departing Clintonstaffers

[Foxter]

Could be that photographs were taken but 
they are the property of police.
Could be that photographs were taken but 
are under GWB's control.

Could be that HRC's silence speaks 
volumes.
Didn't Klintonites as much as admit this 
happened back in January?


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Steve 
  Wingate 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 4:47 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] rWhite House property 
  destruction by departing Clintonstaffers
  -Caveat 
  Lector-Yes, BB I read the article the first time. Like I said before, 
  why nophotographs? All we have is a few anonymous sources reported on by 
  rightwing pro-Republican media.SteveOn 6 Jun 01, at 1:23, 
  BB wrote: -Caveat Lector- Steve Wingate 
  wrote:  -Caveat Lector-   There 
  has not been a single shred of factual evidence to support these  
  allegations. Not a single photograph, nothing but claims by certain 
  Bush  officials of questionable integrity and motivation. 
Why no evidence? It did not happen anywhere close to the 
  extent claimed.   Steve  
  CHANGING OF THE GUARD Post confirms earlier WND vandalism 
  account White House property destruction by departing Clinton 
  staffers © 2001 WorldNetDaily.comANOMALOUS 
  IMAGES AND UFO FILEShttp://www.anomalous-images.comA 
  HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION 
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  'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright 
  frauds-is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects 
  spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, 
  CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to 
  readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust 
  denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, 
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Re: [CTRL] rWhite House property destruction by departing Clintonstaffers

[Foxter]

I did not mean for all hypotheses to hang 
together or be consistent, I was just suggesting possibilities.


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Steve 
  Wingate 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 7:01 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] rWhite House property 
  destruction by departing Clintonstaffers
  -Caveat Lector-On 6 Jun 01, at 6:35, Foxter 
  wrote: Could be that photographs were taken but they are the 
  property of police. Could be that photographs were taken but are under 
  GWB's control.Could it be that if that was the case we would seen them 
  by now, or at leastheard of them from an 'unnammed source'? 
  Could be that HRC's silence speaks volumes. Didn't Klintonites as much 
  as admit this happened back in January?No. How could they both be 
  silent (significant) and also admit to it? You areusing Bush 
  Logic.SteveANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILEShttp://www.anomalous-images.comA 
  HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION 
   DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion  informational 
  exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. 
  Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These aresordid matters and 
  'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright 
  frauds-is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects 
  spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, 
  CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to 
  readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust 
  denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, 
  Caveat 
  Lector.Archives 
  Available at:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlA 
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Re: [CTRL] Email Notice - Please read!

[Foxter]

You got it.
Put your life first, not this list. 

I can't see it would be God's will that 
you lose house or car if you are willing to work.
Remember, sometimes God moves at the very 
end of the llth hour and 59th minute, but never too late for us to learn from 
his timing.
Be courageous and keep the 
faith.

Terr

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Bill Richer 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:17 
  PM
  Subject: [CTRL] Email Notice - Please 
  read!
  -Caveat Lector-Dear 
  Friends: Just to let you 
  know in the next 6 months I will be taking 4 coursesat college to complete 
  my Bachelor's degree. So I may send out email about 2or 3 times a 
  week. Also keep praying for me because it doesn't look good 
  atwork! There may be a layoff and I really can't afford that! 
  I'd lose myhouse and car! Please pray for me!God 
  Bless;Bill RicherA HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION 
   DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion  informational 
  exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. 
  Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These aresordid matters and 
  'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright 
  frauds-is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects 
  spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, 
  CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to 
  readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust 
  denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, 
  Caveat 
  Lector.Archives 
  Available at:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlA 
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Check YOUR Computer For Virus - Urgent

[Foxter]

So what is this sulfnbk.exe?
Should we still delete it? 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  YnrChyldzWyld 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 9:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Check YOUR 
  Computer For Virus - Urgent
  -Caveat Lector-On Sun, 27 May 2001, kl wrote:On 
  27 May 2001, at 20:53, Bill Richer wrote: Dear 
  friends: I checked and had this 
  virus! Please check your computer!It's a 
  hoax.Symantec AntiVirus Research Center 
  (SARC)http://www.symantec.com/avcenterYes, and Richer was told 
  that it was a hoax yesterday when he posted this'warning' on another 
  list...So one has to wonder why he's still spamming it 
  elsewhere...Please ignore any messages regarding this hoax and 
  do not pass onmessages. Passing on messages about the hoax only serves 
  to furtherpropagate it.Great 
  advice.JuneCheck out Alternative Kite radio: http://www.live365.com/stations/242153A 
  HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION 
   DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion  informational 
  exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. 
  Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These aresordid matters and 
  'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright 
  frauds-is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects 
  spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, 
  CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to 
  readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust 
  denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, 
  Caveat 
  Lector.Archives 
  Available at:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlA 
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Re: [CTRL] Pray for Destruction II

[Foxter]

From: "YouCan'tHandleTheTruth, Mohammad"
Christians Worldwide Praying for destruction of the Arabs on the National 
Day
of Prayer
May 4, 2001
Today is the is the National Day of Prayer in America. American Christians 
and Christians all over the world are praying for the destruction of the satanic 
socialist atheist anti-Christian police state known as the "Arab World".
Christians are waking up and realizing that Atheist Islams are behind most of 
the evil in todays world. Whether your concern is the Islamic Media's non-stop 
assualt on our moral sensibilities via their anti-Christian propaganda or their 
Let's Hate Women Culture, there can be no question that these Atheist Islams are 
turning out to be a real problem for America and the world.
These Atheist Islams hate Christian America and at this point in history they 
exercise near total control over America via the politicians whom they control 
by oil prices. These Atheist Islams hate the "Real America" which is a 
"Christian America" and they are recreating America after their backward, 
atheist, discompassionate imaginations and inclinations. This New America that 
the Atheist Islams are creating will be a Bloody American Nightmare if it is not 
stopped.
These Atheist Islams hate America. They hate the "Real America" which was 
originally a "Christian Nation." American Christians who are knowledgeable in 
these matters have learned that Atheist Islams are the driving force behind our 
nations energy policy for decades. The very culture (root word "cult" = 
"religion") of our nation is intentionally being challenged and changed by our 
national energy policy.
These Atheist Islams are trying to destroy Christian America and they are 
using every avenue that they can find. For instance, they have re-written our 
nations once proud Christian history and changed it into something 
unrecognizable that makes the children in our public schools feel ashamed of 
sins that neither they nor their ancestors committed, such as refusing to run 
electricity only as a means to prevent starvation or death.
These Atheist Islams are using every weapon at their command to destroy our 
once proud Christian nation of America by destroying more than our national 
energy policy. These Atheist Islams want to replace "Homogeneous Christian 
America" with a multi-cultural, multi-religious, multi-lingual and a 
non-homogeneous, mixed up mess. Why? Because a polyglot mishmash and a 
culturally mixed up, messed up people who have no shared religious values and no 
commonly shared heritage will be incapable of unifying themselves against the 
evil designs of these Atheist Islams and the liberal international elite's who 
are their fellow travelers.
Furthermore, Christians in America are learning that it is primarily Atheist 
Islams who have financially supported and lead the organizations that do not 
support women's rights.
Atheist Islams run the Department of Energy. Atheist Islams run the groups 
agitating for male rights. Atheist Islams (they have many plants in NOW) and 
atheist Islamic politicians finance and run every anti-oil exploration group in 
our nation. Atheist Islams finance and run and or started nearly every left wing 
group that is working to destroy Christian America.
Atheist Islams provided the monetary capital to finance the atheist 
internationalist takeover of the European Nationalism and helped to advance 
international socialism around the world. They did this on the backs of our 
children who needed warm houses to live in.
Atheist Islams are the CANCER of America.
Let me restate that because I want to make sure that you got it!
Atheist Islams are the CANCER of America.
That is the main message of this missive.
{Side Bar: Note to any Christian who disagree's with this message - 
Concentrate on the facts. Just the FACTS. Show me anything that I have written 
in this letter that is "FACTUALLY WRONG." Otherwise do not bother writing to me, 
I will just junk your emails.}
Remember Christians, It was these hard hearted evil Atheist Islams who have 
been responsible for the death of Christians after 632 AD and these are the same 
type of Islams who today are ruining America. We must stop these evil Islams 
before they kill America like they have killed the European Nationalism.
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Re: [CTRL] Pray for Destruction

[Foxter]

I understand this psalm to be about David 
praying that God cream his enemies, whether God uses David or other means to do 
so. I am not antiwar so I do not see this as people performing "ritual 
murder" which as described below in midnight meetings better describes the 
pagans who met in the "groves" for sex and other purposes than a king of a 
country or people as David was. I would also say that anyone who uses 
anything as a pretext for hate and murder, whether the Bible or The Turner 
Diaries, is the problem not the written text.


  - What the hell do you think I have 
  been screaming about for over 30 yearsnow; somebody is using the bible for 
  ritual murder - they hold midnightmeetings and judge who will live and who 
  will die - they come in manycolors and many disguises.Who wrote 
  such a terrible psalm as the one I repeat below - it is ritualmurder and a 
  prayer for destructionThe King James Bibleat the Electronic 
  Text Center, University of VirginiaPsalms, psalm 109"1": Hold not thy 
  peace, O God of my praise;"2": For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth 
  of the deceitful areopened against me: they have spoken against me with a 
  lying tongue."3": They compassed me about also with words of hatred; and 
  foughtagainst me without a cause."4": For my love they are my 
  adversaries: but I give myself unto prayer."5": And they have rewarded me 
  evil for good, and hatred for my love."6": Set thou a wicked man over him: 
  and let Satan stand at his righthand."7": When he shall be judged, let 
  him be condemned: and let his prayerbecome sin."8": Let his days be 
  few; and let another take his office."9": Let his children be fatherless, 
  and his wife a widow."10": Let his children be continually vagabonds, and 
  beg: let them seektheir bread also out of their desolate places."11": 
  Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangersspoil his 
  labour."12": Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there 
  beany to favour his fatherless children."13": Let his posterity be cut 
  off; and in the generation following lettheir name be blotted 
  out."14": Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD; 
  andlet not the sin of his mother be blotted out."15": Let them be 
  before the LORD continually, that he may cut off thememory of them from 
  the earth."16": Because that he remembered not to shew mercy, but 
  persecuted thepoor and needy man, that he might even slay the broken in 
  heart."17": As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted 
  notin blessing, so let it be far from him."18": As he clothed himself 
  with cursing like as with his garment, solet it come into his bowels like 
  water, and like oil into his bones."19": Let it be unto him as the garment 
  which covereth him, and for agirdle wherewith he is girded 
  continually."20": Let this be the reward of mine adversaries from the 
  LORD, and ofthem that speak evil against my soul."21": But do thou for 
  me, O GOD the Lord, for thy name's sake: becausethy mercy is good, deliver 
  thou me."22": For I am poor and needy, and my heart is wounded within 
  me."23": I am gone like the shadow when it declineth: I am tossed up 
  anddown as the locust."24": My knees are weak through fasting; and my 
  flesh faileth offatness."25": I became also a reproach unto them: when 
  they looked upon me theyshaked their heads."26": Help me, O LORD my 
  God: O save me according to thy mercy:"27": That they may know that this 
  is thy hand; that thou, LORD, hastdone it."28": Let them curse, but 
  bless thou: when they arise, let them beashamed; but let thy servant 
  rejoice."29": Let mine adversaries be clothed with shame, and let them 
  coverthemselves with their own confusion, as with a mantle."30": I 
  will greatly praise the LORD with my mouth; yea, I will praisehim among 
  the multitude."31": For he shall stand at the right hand of the poor, to 
  save him fromthose that condemn his 
soul.

Re: [CTRL] : Defending the Southern Heritage, 2001

[Foxter]

It seems to me that the South has done 
remarkably well in the last l50 years and more particularly since l963 
desegregation conflict. Wish the Northeast democrats could do as well to 
ease social problems by other means than throwing money at them.

  - Original Message - 
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 8:39 
AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] : Defending the 
  Southern Heritage, 2001
  -Caveat Lector-I notice there is no mention of 
  segregation and lynching of blacks in allthe mythology of 'southern 
  heritage' that was posted...If the vast majority of southerners didn't 
  support slavery, why did ittake Union troops to free the slaves?If 
  the vast majority of southerners didn't support slavery, why did 
  theyinstitute de facto slavery after the war via segregation and 
  asustained campaign of terror against any 'uppity' blacks who tried 
  tocircumvent segregation?JuneA HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION 
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Re: [CTRL] Bin Laden joins Arafat

[Foxter]

The Bible speaks of the King of the North 
(Saudi?) and the King of the South (Laden) going against Jerusalem. 



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nurev Ind. 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 1:54 
PM
  Subject: [CTRL] Bin Laden joins 
  Arafat
  -Caveat Lector-Bin Laden joins Arafathttp://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22495Saudi 
  master of terror ready to strike Israel?C 2001 
  WorldNetDaily.comSaudi master of terror Osama bin Laden is set to 
  join Yasser Arafat'suprising against Israel, according to 
  DEBKA-Net-Weekly's counter-terrorismsources.According to the 
  intelligence report, the U.S. tipped off Israel last weekthat bin Laden's 
  al Qaeda cells and networks in Lebanon were complete andready to launch 
  strikes in Israel. They operate under the command of ImadMughniyeh, 
  terrorism and intelligence consultant to Iranian 
  spiritualleaderAyatollah Ali Khamenei, said the report. As former head 
  of the Lebanesemilitant Hezbollah's security apparatus in the 1980s, 
  Mughniyeh wasresponsible for the 1993 bombing of the U.S. Embassy and 
  Marine barracks inBeirut and the blasting of Israeli locations in 
  Argentina.The Bin Laden-Mughniyeh alliance for terrorizing the West is 
  long-standing,according to the DEBKA-Net-Weekly report. It was forged in 
  the early 1990sby the Egyptian-born former U.S. army sergeant Ali Mohamed, 
  who, on Oct.20,2000, became the first of bin Laden's associates to 
  plead guilty in a U.S.court to conspiring with the Saudi 
  terrorist.Mohamed's confession is the key to convicting the five 
  suspects (of a listof 22) who are currently on trial before the Manhattan 
  federal court forthe1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and 
  Tanzania that killed 223peopleincluding 12 Americans. The U.S. 
  indictment against him cites Mohamed asrevealing that bin Laden and 
  Mughniyeh carried out joint operations in thepast with direct support from 
  Iran.Next week, Arafat has plans to attend an international conference 
  insupportof the intifada in Tehran. It is his first trip to Iran in 
  many years.According to a report in the New York Daily News, Iranian 
  intelligencedecided recently that Arafat has "resumed the path of the 
  people" bylaunching the 5-month-old intifada and by breaking off peace 
  talks withIsrael.Arafat plans to meet with Ayatollah Ali Khamenei 
  in a trip that has beenkept quiet throughout the Middle East.The 
  stated goal of the conference is to seek "ways to establish anindependent 
  Palestinian state from the Jordan River to the MediterraneanSea" - 
  which, of course, means the elimination of the state of 
  Israel.Attendees at the conference include a veritable who's who of 
  Islamicterrorism -- representatives of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the Popular 
  Front forthe Liberation of Palestine and Hezbollah.The Palestinian 
  Authority is reportedly keeping the Iran trip quiet becauseof Arafat's 
  official renunciation of terrorism, for which he won the NobelPeace Prize 
  and gained recognition as a negotiating partner with Israel andthe 
  U.S.Editor's note: DEBKA-Net-Weeklyis a weekly electronic 
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Re: [CTRL] For what is Hillary Praying?

[Foxter]

Quick, somebody save the flatware 
-

In a message dated 
03/31/2001 10:17:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For what 
is Hillary Praying?By Chuck BaldwinMarch 30, 
2001A recent New York Post article entitled, "Holy Hill! Now 
she's praying withGOP," states, "[Hillary] Clinton has joined an 
informal, once-a-week Senateprayer breakfast, an event dominated by 
deeply religious Republicansenators - the same type who in 1998 were 
disgusted by the Sexgate scandal,The Post has learned. 
She's probably praying that the conservative hypocrites who make 
up theattendees at the Senate prayer breakfasts will actually begin to act 
andthink like the Christ they profess to emulate. After all, if 
there's abreakthrough there, it might be possible for the rest of the 
country'sconservative hypocrites to act and think in the same way. The 
thought ofthis country wrapped in the true spirit of forgiveness, caring for 
theafflicted and less fortunate, and practicing the golden rule (the one 
fromthe New Testament, not the Hurwitz version of "he who has the gold, 
rules")is so inspiring that even those of us who cannot attend such 
breakfasts,would do well to join Hillary in prayer. 
Prudy.

Re: [CTRL] REU: Alberta to license beggars

[Foxter]

Thank you, I have never had this happen to 
me. I use juno as internet connection, perhaps ...


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:41 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] REU: Alberta to 
  license beggars
  -Caveat Lector-On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 06:56:09 -0800 
  Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:I've been trying to find reference without much success. 
  There were a bunch of articles a few weeks back (including on htis list from 
  memory) stating some sort of new email program allowed the original sender of 
  an email to receive a list of everyone who received a forwarded copy of 
  it.I'll keep looking and post what I find. Unfortuantely words such as 
  'email' 'bug' 'worm' etc are too broad to get much out of search 
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Re: [CTRL] REU: Alberta to license beggars

[Foxter]

Got a notation "this message is being 
watched".
Anybody have any scoop on 
this?



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  MICHAEL 
  SPITZER 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 5:45 
PM
  Subject: [CTRL] REU: Alberta to license 
  beggars
  -Caveat Lector-http://www0.mercurycenter.com/world/worldwire/docs/1004401l.htmPosted 
  at 7:35 a.m. PST Sunday, March 25, 2001Spare change? not without the 
  proper IDCALGARY, Alberta (Reuters) - Hey, buddy -- one of 
  Canada'srichest cities could soon force its panhandlers to wear 
  photoidentification as a way of controlling a handful of beggars 
  whohound passersby for spare change.City council in Calgary, 
  Alberta, the country's gleamingoil-industry center, votes April 2 on the 
  plan that would requirepanhandlers to agree to a code of conduct before 
  they are grantedID badges allowing them to hit people up for coins 
  andcigarettes.``It's intended to reduce any potential disruptive 
  behavior orharassment or confrontations with the public,'' said 
  citycouncilor Bob Hawkesworth, vice-chairman of the committeestudying 
  the proposal.The licensing scheme, based on the ID tags charity 
  fund-raiserswear when going door-to-door, would also require panhandlers 
  toundergo counseling and job-search workshops.The western Canadian 
  city of almost 900,000 people has relativelyfew beggars compared with 
  other major metropolitan areas. About40 regulars are said to dot the 
  downtown core, although numbersswell in the summer. Only a fraction are 
  known as aggressive.Calgary passed a bylaw last year prohibiting 
  panhandlers fromplying their trade near transit shelters or automatic 
  tellermachines. This year, the committee sought other ways to 
  tacklethe problem. It even held panhandler focus groups.``That's 
  the genesis of this idea. It came from those discussionsas another way to 
  address the problem,'' Hawkesworth said.Some panhandlers expressed 
  skepticism over the plan.``You give some a license or a card, that 
  darn well won't stopother guys from putting their hand out,'' David Young, 
  44, saidafter extracting some change from a pedestrian on 
  Friday.``The panhandlers that do have a license, they're not going 
  tosay, 'Hey, get out of here. We're calling the cops.' That's justnot 
  done on the street,'' added Young, who said he had lived onthe streets of 
  Calgary for 20 years.One concern among city council members is that 
  licensing may beconstrued as condoning begging, Hawkesworth 
  said.``That's a reservation I have about this approach. This 
  conceptsuggests that we try it for a year and see if it has any good 
  orbad impact and evaluate it after a 
  year.''= 
  Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK 
  OF: 
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Re: [CTRL] WT: Library living quarters for Clinton questioned

[Foxter]

He needs this much for all the visiting 
interns


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tenorlove 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 8:40 
AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] WT: Library living 
  quarters for Clinton questioned
  -Caveat Lector-Mr. Rutherford said the living 
  space would cover "2,000 square feet, which really isn't that 
  big.Excuse me???This is more than TWICE the living space I 
  have, and there are twice asmany of us to live in it. I expect many of you 
  are in the samesituation. And I know people in my own neighborhood who 
  have even lessspace per person.Tenorlovesick of whiny rich 
  folks__Do You 
  Yahoo!?Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.http://auctions.yahoo.com/A 
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Re: [CTRL] AP: Clinton Speaks To N.J. Hotel Owners

[Foxter]

What conflict is it exactly that "poverty" 
accelerates? And, what is "poverty", the endemic kind incubated by 
USslums, third world dictatorship graft, thesudden poverty of the 
husband leaving, unemployment, shifting centers of world manufacturing, on and 
on?

How can poverty fuel rejection of social 
programs aimed to help the poor? c'MON!

I for one do not think giving poor 
Africans or Chinese personal computers with internet access will allay whatever 
it is that their poverty is said to accelerate. And, what a colossal waste 
of money to think providing them with PC's will end their poverty. 


The Bible says, "The poor ye shall always 
have with you." I have always seen poor people in my 52 years. This 
is more Klintonspeak, it's stupid. I am not stupid enough to believe 
it. I am glad he is gone from 
powerand I hope no one invites him to speak.


- Original Message - 

  From: 
  MICHAEL 
  SPITZER 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 3:34 
AM
  Subject: [CTRL] AP: Clinton Speaks To 
  N.J. Hotel Owners
  -Caveat 
  Lector-"It is obvious to me, after eight years as president, 
  thatpoverty accelerates conflict, that it fuels the rejection of 
  theeconomic and social programs that our future depends on,'' 
  he[Clinton] said."[I strongly agree with the above. 
  --MS]Clinton Speaks To N.J. Hotel Ownersby JOHN 
  CURRANAssociated Press WriterATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) -- 
  Former President Clinton saidThursday he was not worried about recovering 
  from criticisms ofhis last acts in office.''I don't have anything 
  to recover from. The truth will comeout,'' he told reporters as he left a 
  gathering of hotel owners.Clinton won a standing ovation for his 
  speech to the group andsaid he was confident of his public support. ''Ask 
  them, herethey are,'' he said, gesturing to the audience. ''They always 
  getit right, if they have enough time. It'll be fine.''Criticized 
  for his last-minute pardons of fugitive financier MarcRich and others and 
  for taking gifts from the White House,Clinton has seen his approval 
  ratings drop in the weeks since heleft office.In the 35-minute 
  speech to the group, for which he was paid about$100,000, Clinton talked 
  about earthquake relief for India andAmerica's place in the ''new global 
  economy.'' He spent about 20minutes chatting with some of the 2,700 people 
  in the audience.''I thought he was very presidential up there,'' said 
  FredSchwartz, president of the group, the Asian American Hotel 
  OwnersAssociation.Reporters were not allowed to attend, but stood 
  outside the hallwith ears pressed to the closed doors.Clinton said 
  in the speech that the United States should investin poor nations and 
  provide them with computers and Internetaccess.''It is obvious to 
  me, after eight years as president, thatpoverty accelerates conflict, that 
  it fuels the rejection of theeconomic and social programs that our future 
  depends on,'' hesaid.AP-NY-03-08-01 
  1944EST= 
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[CTRL] Trade Secrets of Chemicals Industry

[Foxter]

The following should be informative, if you are interested. . .
TRADE SECRETS/Coming CleanOn Monday night, March 26th, public 
television will air a .groundbreaking investigative report on the chemical 
industry.In TRADE SECRETS: A MOYERS REPORT correspondent Bill Moyers and 
producer Sherry Jones uncover how our health and safety have been put at risk 
and why powerful forces don't want the truth to be known. This investigative 
report, accompanied by a PBS.org Web site, is based on a massive archive 
of secret industry documents as shocking as the "tobacco 
papers."TRADE SECRETS provides everyone working on toxic 
chemicalsand environmental health issues a tremendous education and 
outreachopportunity. To help maximize that opportunity, the 
EnvironmentalHealth Fund, the Environmental Working Group, the Center 
forHealth, Environment and Justice and Women's Voices For theEarth.are 
launching Coming Clean, a project aimed at cleaning upthe chemical 
industry's contamination of our food, our bodies and ourenvironment.Coming 
Clean is working with groups across the country to organize local TRADE SECRETS 
viewing events. For more information abouthow you can organize a 
viewing event in your community, please contactAnn Long at [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlotte Brody at [EMAIL PROTECTED],Bryony Schwan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Monica Rohde [EMAIL PROTECTED].

Re: [CTRL] Guardian Unlimited Observer International Hillary'strouble...

[Foxter]

So clearly the LEAST ethical that it set 
new standards for sleaze ... 



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:45 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Guardian Unlimited 
  Observer International Hillary'strouble...
  -Caveat Lector- NO, it probably WAS 
  NOT. It was the LEAST ethical administration in 
  our country's history."Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: 
  -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 02/25/2001 1:28:54 PM 
  Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:  the blatant accepting of pay-offs for 
  pardons all of this is a very fitting and 
  appropriate conclusion to the Clinton presidency. 
  Does anyone recall 8 years ago, at the outset, Bill promised 
  America: "the most ethical Administration in history"? 
   And most sadly, it probably was. 
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[CTRL] Mich. Sues the Federal Government

[Foxter]

AP 
National 
Mich. Sues the Federal 
Governmenthttp://www.newsday.com/ap/text/national/ap646.htmLANSING, Mich. (AP) -- The secretary of state sued 
the federal government Thursday for requiring Michigan residents to give Social 
Security numbers to get or renew their driver's licenses. States are 
required to collect the numbers from licensed drivers to help track deadbeat 
parents. Secretary of State Candice Miller said the requirement violates 
the privacy of Michigan's 6.9 million licensed drivers. ''I will not sit 
idly by while residents' privacy is invaded by an intrusive, ineffective and 
unfunded mandate,'' Miller said. Michigan is the only state not 
complying with the requirement that took effect in October, said Pam Carter of 
the U.S. Health Department. The state could lose about $900 million 
annually in federal money if it fails to comply with the requirement. But Miller 
said the lawsuit will not hurt the state's federal money. Michigan 
already has a database system more efficient and effective than one that would 
use Social Security numbers, the lawsuit says. Gov. John Engler does not 
support Miller's lawsuit, spokesman John Truscott said. 
--AP-NY-01-05-01 0023EST 01/05/2001 
You can send letters of support to encourage Michigan's 
Secretary of State Candice S. Miller to:Candice S. 
MillerSecretary of State430 W. AlleganLansing, MI 
48918Telephone: (517) 373-2510FAX: (517) 
373-0727

Re: [CTRL] Check out CNN.com - Indian elephant tramples man and keeps the corpse - Decem

[Foxter]

DRAT I CAN'T GET THIS LINK TO 
WORK.
Carl, can you send the text if 
possible?Thank you.

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  Subject: [CTRL] Check out CNN.com - 
  Indian elephant tramples man and keeps the corpse - Decem
  -Caveat Lector-AHREF="http://www.cnn.com/virtual/editions/europe/2000/roof/change.pop/frameset.exclude.html"Click 
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[CTRL] Pentecostal Movement Iinquiry

[Foxter]

I would like information on what Kris 
said, below.
I understand the PM to have 
started with Aimee Semple MacPherson in Topeka around l900 and to spread to 
Azuza Street (LA I believe) and from there to the nation. I don't think 
MacPherson was British intel:


What truth, the fact that the pentacostal movement 
was set-up by mainly byBritish intel with help from traitorious American 
families for pyschologicalcontrol of a duped 
populace?

Re: [CTRL] The Best of the Season

[Foxter]

Kris,
Thanks for this list.
Foxter

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kris Millegan 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 2:11 
  PM
  Subject: [CTRL] The Best of the 
  Season
  -Caveat Lector-Happy Holidaze, be careful, safe and 
  happy.OmKA HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION 
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Re: [CTRL] Fall From Plane Baffles FBI, Others

[Foxter]

THE CREW WASN'T TOLD THE WOMAN WAS GONE 



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Steve 
  Wingate 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 7:20 
  PM
  Subject: [CTRL] Fall From Plane Baffles 
  FBI, Others
  -Caveat Lector-Saturday December 16 11:39 PM 
  ETFall From Plane Baffles FBI, OthersBy BRIAN BERGSTEIN, 
  Associated Press WriterSAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) - A woman who fell 2,000 
  feet from an airplane intoa community garden has left behind a baffled 
  team of investigators who aretrying to determine whether her death was a 
  tragic accident or suicide.Friends and co-workers at Hewlett-Packard 
  Co. described ElisabethMathild Otto as despondent, possibly from the 
  stress of moving to theUnited States and starting a new job. They and her 
  husband had suggestedshe seek psychological help, The San Jose Mercury 
  News reportedSaturday, citing sources familiar with her 
  situation.``We've ruled out foul play on behalf of any of the 
  passengers,'' FBI (news -web sites) spokesman Andrew Black said.A 
  source close to the investigation confirmed Saturday that ``suicideappears 
  to be the strong likelihood.''FBI spokesman Andrew Black said that 
  although no one saw the womanopen the door as the small plane flew between 
  Sacramento and San Jose,it did not release accidentally and it would have 
  taken effort to pry it ajar.The FBI said two passengers who saw Otto 
  plunge from the plane were sodistraught that they were unable to tell the 
  pilots what had happened. Policewere not notified she was missing until 45 
  minutes after the plane landed inSan Jose on Thursday night. Her body was 
  found Friday afternoon.FBI investigators interviewed passengers and 
  the woman's businessassociates. Hewlett-Packard said Otto was 29, a Dutch 
  citizen from thecompany's Germany office who recently began working at the 
  company'sPalo Alto and Roseville offices.``We are deeply concerned 
  and are helping authorities to determine whathappened,'' Hewlett-Packard 
  spokesman Dave Berman said. ``Out ofrespect for the individuals involved, 
  we are not providing additionalinformation at this time.''The 
  15-seat de Havilland Twin Otter, which was operated as a commuterservice 
  for Hewlett-Packard employees, was carrying five passengers andtwo pilots 
  when it set out on its regular Thursday night flight from theSacramento 
  area to San Jose.Soon after takeoff, the plane had to make an 
  emergency landing becausea warning light indicated the door was unlocked. 
  The plane landed at 4:48p.m. at the Sacramento Executive Airport, then 
  took off again at 5:20 p.m.after the door was secured.Three 
  minutes later, the door opened and Otto plunged out about 10 milessouth of 
  Sacramento.``When that plane hatch was opened, the passenger 
  immediately in front ofher turned around and observed a female passenger 
  halfway out of theplane,'' Black said. ``He lunged over the seat, reached 
  for her and was ableto grab hold of her shoulder and attempted to pull her 
  back into the plane.''Amid what had to be a deafening and 
  chaotic roar, the co-pilot managed toclose the door, Black said. But the 
  crew wasn't told the woman was goneand continued to San Jose, where the 
  plane landed at 6:05 p.m. Policewere later called from a Hewlett-Packard 
  office a few miles from the SanJose airport.Black 
  said the other passengers did not notice Otto behaving unusuallybefore the 
  incident.FAA (news - web sites) inspectors determined that mechanical 
  malfunctiondid not cause the door to open, spokesman Jerry Snyder said. 
  The FAAalso said inspectors did not believe the pilot erred in continuing 
  to SanJose after securing the door a second time.``The inspector 
  couldn't find any fault in his proceedings,'' Snyder said.Otto lived 
  in an upscale San Francisco neighborhood with her husband.``They 
  seemed very nice. They appeared to be very hard working,''neighbor Travis 
  Pearson said. ``They weren't around a lot.''-

Re: [CTRL] Suicide, Homicide Or Accident ?

[Foxter]

Quite truly.

l. How many people commit suicide on 
their company's jet?
2. Why would a woman vs. a man try 
to fix the loose door?
3. How did she get so far out the 
door to begin with, that she could not be pulled back in?



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 4:19 
  PM
  Subject: [CTRL] Suicide, Homicide Or 
  Accident ?
  -Caveat Lector-Is there something very *odd* about this 
  incident ?-Friday December 15 3:44 PM 
  ETWoman Disappears From Airplane in Mid-FlightSAN JOSE, Calif. 
  (Reuters) - A high-tech company employee apparently plungedto her death 
  when a door on a chartered airplane mysteriously opened inmid-flight -- 
  but nobody reported her disappearance until almost an hourlater, after the 
  plane touched down, officials said Friday. Federal Bureau ofInvestigation 
  spokesman Nick Rossi said the woman ``apparently fell orjumped'' from the 
  aircraft, but the circumstances remained unclear.``The FBI ... has 
  been involved in interviews with potential witnesses andassociates,'' 
  Rossi said, adding that the agency had been asked toinvestigate because it 
  has jurisdiction over potential crimes aboard aircraft.The woman, an 
  employee of computer and printer maker Hewlett-Packard Co.,boarded the 
  company-chartered twin turbo-prop airplane Thursday for a regularshuttle 
  run between Roseville and San Jose, California.Officials said pilots 
  on the 15-seat DeHavilland DHC-6 aircraft, whichcarried five passengers, 
  reported that a warning light in the cockpit firstindicated a door on the 
  plane was unlocked shortly after takeoff, prompting aprecautionary landing 
  in Sacramento.With the door re-secured, the airplane took off again 
  bound for San Jose.About three minutes later, as the plane was climbing, 
  the pilot radioed thatthe door had opened again. Authorities believe the 
  woman ``exited the craft''at that point.``About five miles 
  southeast of Sacramento, at 2,000 feet, a femalereportedly jumped or fell 
  from the aircraft,'' Nelson told Reuters in atelephone 
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Re: [CTRL] Help needed for Streisand, Sheen, Saradon, Goldberg, Baldwin

[Foxter]

Didn't see the movie but could believe she 
has excess of Testosterone over Estrogen. But big deal the issue is her 
behavior not body habitus. And that is vapid, ineffectual and not too 
bright either.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ynr Chyldz 
  Wyld 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 9:12 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Help needed for 
  Streisand, Sheen, Saradon, Goldberg, Baldwin
  -Caveat Lector-From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] As for the 
  color Purple - I saw this movie and it was a great movie but again, 
  she leaned towards lesbianism;First off, she was playing a role 
  written originally by Alice Walker. Cher has played a lesbian in a 
  movie,too, so what? Doesn't mean she IS one. That is what 
  ACTING means, to act a role.In "The Color Purple", the implied 
  lesbianism occurs because the character Ceily has been 
  physically,emotionally, and sexually abused by her husband, and "Shug" is 
  the first person to show her any kindness andlove...As for 
  'skinny mannish legs', you obviously forgot the scene immediately after Miss 
  Ceily's stepfather'sfuneral, when Ceily returns to her childhood house 
  that she's inherited...Hardly 'skinny mannish legs'. 
  So I did not watch this movie in its entirety 
  -Obviously. So I think Whoopie is a man, and I was 
  told Janet Reno was really a man but she is more feminine than 
  Whoopie...You have a strange a perverted sense of what is 'feminine' 
  if you think Whoopie Goldberg is a man. No, shedoesn't wear frills 
  and ruffles as a general rule...but if you saw her in the ballgowns she wore 
  when hostingthe Academy Awards, only someone with bad cataracts could have 
  mistaken her for a man.Hey, my own mother wore baggy dungarees and 
  loose teeshirts and 'sensible shoes' when such things were 
  notfashionable. She was a model at one time (including swimsuits), 
  and was nicknamed "The Blonde Bombshell", buton her own time she was more 
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Re: [CTRL] Harris pleaded with networks

[Foxter]

It only had to suppress 300 or so, not 
thousands.




  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Samantha L. 

  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 4:31 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Harris pleaded with 
  networks
  -Caveat Lector-In a message dated 11/18/00 2:28:21 AM 
  Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]writes: 
  Republicans claim the early -- and bad -- call for Gore suppressed 
  thousands of votes for George W. Bush in Florida's conservative 
  panhandle, where the polls closed an hour after the rest of the 
  state because the area is in the Central time zone.How 
  can a call 11 minutes before the close of polls suppress thousands 
  ofvotes? People would have been on their way to the polling places 
  or alreadyin line by then. Silly.SamanthaA 
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Re: [CTRL] Help needed for Streisand, Sheen, Saradon, Goldberg, Baldwin

[Foxter]

Prudy's 
right.
For example, 
Oliver North 
told Imus yesterday that he was waiting to be named head 
of the CIA.

I am sending in $l,000. What price 
peace.



- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Prudence L. Kuhn 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 5:52 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Help needed for 
  Streisand, Sheen, Saradon, Goldberg, Baldwin
  -Caveat Lector-In a message dated 11/15/2000 9:43:45 PM 
  Eastern Standard Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:  It Costs So Little, And It Means So 
  Much As you are probably aware, if the voting 
  results in Florida stand as they are now, George 
  W. Bush will be our next President. This will have catastrophic 
  results in our vital, no, indispensable entertainment industry. 
  These folks just don't understand. They survived the 
  Reagan/Bushadministrations, and the years under Dubya will be governed by 
  the same swellguys. Don't worry about Dubya. Just keep him 
  away from the queen of Englandand the country should survive his 
  rule. PrudyA HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION 
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Re: [CTRL] 'Dubya' Bush's nephew in car sex romp

[Foxter]

Prudy, what "is" the "Republican plan for 
women"? Haven't heard of it.
They say they are for equal rights for 
women you know. If there is something more sinister they have in mind I 
will need to know so I can get out of the country.


Women vote for Clinton and also Gore because womendon't like the 
Republican plan for women. Give the "grand old party" achance, and 
they'll take away the rights of women to vote. It will bereplaced by 
that "submit graciously" requirement of the Republican 
religiousright.