Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

no need for COMDEV Jira issue: it's Hadoop DOAP that requires to be improved, 
that is under Hadoop project responsibility in Hadoop svn:
http://hadoop.apache.org/doap.rdf

Regards,

Hervé

Le mercredi 15 juillet 2015 13:24:55 Ajoy Bhatia a écrit :
> Just read this page: https://projects.apache.org/about.html
> 
> I'll create a COMDEV ticket and try to fix it myself. This would be my
> first contribution to the Apache community.  :-)
> 
> - Ajoy
> 
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Ajoy Bhatia  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > On https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?category, the only 2
> > occurrences of "hadoop" are the link to the Apache Hadoop
> > <https://projects.apache.org/project.html?hadoop> project page in the
> > *database* <https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?category#database>
> > category, and as the *hadoop*
> > <https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?category#hadoop> category
> > itself.
> > 
> > I think that Apache Hadoop should also be listed in the *big-data*
> > <https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?category#big-data> category,
> > as well as in the eponymous *hadoop*
> > <https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?category#hadoop> category.
> > Don't you agree?
> > 
> > Thanks...
> > - Ajoy
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Daniel Gruno 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >> Fixed in r1691109, thanks for spotting this.
> >> 
> >> With regards,
> >> Daniel.
> >> 
> >> On 2015-07-15 01:21, Ted Dunning wrote:
> >>> The label on the second pie graph is broken.  It refers to language (cut
> >>> and paste from the first caption, I think).
> >>> 
> >>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Sally Khudairi  wrote:
> >>>  So ...we've had a tweet from Roman last month, and now JimJag (bcc'd)
> >>>  
> >>>> has
> >>>> done so as well
> >>>> 
> >>>> https://twitter.com/jimjag/status/620940463558782976
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Are we officially live yet?
> >>>> 
> >>>> If not, please let me know when I can promote.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Sally
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> From: Sally Khudairi 
> >>>> To: jan i ; "dev@community.apache.org" <
> >>>> dev@community.apache.org>
> >>>> Cc: David Crossley ; Sally Khudairi  >>>> 
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, 20 June 2015, 6:53
> >>>> Subject: Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime
> >>>> time?
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Aha!
> >>>> 
> >>>> OK --that's exactly it. I didn't realize that it was going to replace
> >>>> the
> >>>> old link.
> >>>> 
> >>>> So yes, you are correct, Jan, we don't want to do that.
> >>>> 
> >>>> As such, I'll be standing by to hear when you (collectively) are ready.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Thanks again,
> >>>> 
> >>>>   Sally
> >>>> 
> >>>> [From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors,
> >>>> and
> >>>> brevity]
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> - Reply message -
> >>>> From: "jan i" 
> >>>> To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
> >>>> Cc: "David Crossley" , "Sally Khudairi" <
> >>>> s...@apache.org>
> >>>> Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> >>>> Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 06:39
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> On 20 June 2015 at 12:34, Sally Khudairi  >>>> .invalid>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Thanks, David!
> >>>> 
> >>>>> I noticed that Roman tweeted the link yesterday, so I guess the cat is
> >>>> 
> >>>> out of the bag, as the saying goes.
> >>>> 
> >>>>> As such, barring any objections, I'll start spreading the word.
> >>>>> 
> >>>

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Ajoy Bhatia]

Just read this page: https://projects.apache.org/about.html

I'll create a COMDEV ticket and try to fix it myself. This would be my
first contribution to the Apache community.  :-)

- Ajoy


On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Ajoy Bhatia  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> On https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?category, the only 2
> occurrences of "hadoop" are the link to the Apache Hadoop
> <https://projects.apache.org/project.html?hadoop> project page in the
> *database* <https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?category#database>
> category, and as the *hadoop*
> <https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?category#hadoop> category
> itself.
>
> I think that Apache Hadoop should also be listed in the *big-data*
> <https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?category#big-data> category,
> as well as in the eponymous *hadoop*
> <https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?category#hadoop> category.
> Don't you agree?
>
> Thanks...
> - Ajoy
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Daniel Gruno 
> wrote:
>
>> Fixed in r1691109, thanks for spotting this.
>>
>> With regards,
>> Daniel.
>>
>>
>> On 2015-07-15 01:21, Ted Dunning wrote:
>>
>>> The label on the second pie graph is broken.  It refers to language (cut
>>> and paste from the first caption, I think).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Sally Khudairi  wrote:
>>>
>>>  So ...we've had a tweet from Roman last month, and now JimJag (bcc'd)
>>>> has
>>>> done so as well
>>>>
>>>> https://twitter.com/jimjag/status/620940463558782976
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are we officially live yet?
>>>>
>>>> If not, please let me know when I can promote.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Sally
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> From: Sally Khudairi 
>>>> To: jan i ; "dev@community.apache.org" <
>>>> dev@community.apache.org>
>>>> Cc: David Crossley ; Sally Khudairi >>> >
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 20 June 2015, 6:53
>>>> Subject: Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime
>>>> time?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Aha!
>>>>
>>>> OK --that's exactly it. I didn't realize that it was going to replace
>>>> the
>>>> old link.
>>>>
>>>> So yes, you are correct, Jan, we don't want to do that.
>>>>
>>>> As such, I'll be standing by to hear when you (collectively) are ready.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>   Sally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors,
>>>> and
>>>> brevity]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Reply message -
>>>> From: "jan i" 
>>>> To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
>>>> Cc: "David Crossley" , "Sally Khudairi" <
>>>> s...@apache.org>
>>>> Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
>>>> Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 06:39
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20 June 2015 at 12:34, Sally Khudairi >>> .invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, David!
>>>>
>>>>> I noticed that Roman tweeted the link yesterday, so I guess the cat is
>>>>>
>>>> out of the bag, as the saying goes.
>>>>
>>>>> As such, barring any objections, I'll start spreading the word.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Do we really want to do marketing on the temporary URL ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion, we should do some renaming so the current one is called
>>>> -old and the new one replaces the current one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> rgds
>>>>
>>>> jan i.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Are there plans in place to link this from the apache.org homepage?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>> Sally
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors,
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>> brevity]
>>>>
>>>>> - Rep

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Ajoy Bhatia]

Hi all,

On https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?category, the only 2
occurrences of "hadoop" are the link to the Apache Hadoop
<https://projects.apache.org/project.html?hadoop> project page in the
*database* <https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?category#database>
category, and as the *hadoop*
<https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?category#hadoop> category itself.

I think that Apache Hadoop should also be listed in the *big-data*
<https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?category#big-data> category, as
well as in the eponymous *hadoop*
<https://projects.apache.org/projects.html?category#hadoop> category. Don't
you agree?

Thanks...
- Ajoy


On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Daniel Gruno  wrote:

> Fixed in r1691109, thanks for spotting this.
>
> With regards,
> Daniel.
>
>
> On 2015-07-15 01:21, Ted Dunning wrote:
>
>> The label on the second pie graph is broken.  It refers to language (cut
>> and paste from the first caption, I think).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Sally Khudairi  wrote:
>>
>>  So ...we've had a tweet from Roman last month, and now JimJag (bcc'd) has
>>> done so as well
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/jimjag/status/620940463558782976
>>>
>>>
>>> Are we officially live yet?
>>>
>>> If not, please let me know when I can promote.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Sally
>>>
>>> ________
>>> From: Sally Khudairi 
>>> To: jan i ; "dev@community.apache.org" <
>>> dev@community.apache.org>
>>> Cc: David Crossley ; Sally Khudairi 
>>> Sent: Saturday, 20 June 2015, 6:53
>>> Subject: Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime
>>> time?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Aha!
>>>
>>> OK --that's exactly it. I didn't realize that it was going to replace the
>>> old link.
>>>
>>> So yes, you are correct, Jan, we don't want to do that.
>>>
>>> As such, I'll be standing by to hear when you (collectively) are ready.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>>   Sally
>>>
>>>
>>> [From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and
>>> brevity]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Reply message -
>>> From: "jan i" 
>>> To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
>>> Cc: "David Crossley" , "Sally Khudairi" <
>>> s...@apache.org>
>>> Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
>>> Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 06:39
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20 June 2015 at 12:34, Sally Khudairi >> .invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, David!
>>>
>>>> I noticed that Roman tweeted the link yesterday, so I guess the cat is
>>>>
>>> out of the bag, as the saying goes.
>>>
>>>> As such, barring any objections, I'll start spreading the word.
>>>>
>>>>  Do we really want to do marketing on the temporary URL ?
>>>
>>>
>>> In my opinion, we should do some renaming so the current one is called
>>> -old and the new one replaces the current one.
>>>
>>>
>>> rgds
>>>
>>> jan i.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Are there plans in place to link this from the apache.org homepage?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>> Sally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors,
>>>> and
>>>>
>>> brevity]
>>>
>>>> - Reply message -
>>>>
>>>> From: "David Crossley" 
>>>> To: , "Sally Khudairi" 
>>>> Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
>>>> Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 03:03
>>>>
>>>> Previous discussion here was about how to maintain the
>>>> actual project data.
>>>> Also various items listed here:
>>>> https://projects-new.apache.org/about.html
>>>>
>>>> ~David
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 08:55:52PM +, Sally Khudairi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you
>>>>>
>>>> well.
>>>
>>>> Per below, I'm interes

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Daniel Gruno]

Fixed in r1691109, thanks for spotting this.

With regards,
Daniel.

On 2015-07-15 01:21, Ted Dunning wrote:

The label on the second pie graph is broken.  It refers to language (cut
and paste from the first caption, I think).



On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Sally Khudairi  wrote:


So ...we've had a tweet from Roman last month, and now JimJag (bcc'd) has
done so as well

https://twitter.com/jimjag/status/620940463558782976


Are we officially live yet?

If not, please let me know when I can promote.

Cheers,
Sally


From: Sally Khudairi 
To: jan i ; "dev@community.apache.org" <
dev@community.apache.org>
Cc: David Crossley ; Sally Khudairi 
Sent: Saturday, 20 June 2015, 6:53
Subject: Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?



Aha!

OK --that's exactly it. I didn't realize that it was going to replace the
old link.

So yes, you are correct, Jan, we don't want to do that.

As such, I'll be standing by to hear when you (collectively) are ready.

Thanks again,
  Sally


[From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and
brevity]



- Reply message -
From: "jan i" 
To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
Cc: "David Crossley" , "Sally Khudairi" <
s...@apache.org>
Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 06:39





On 20 June 2015 at 12:34, Sally Khudairi 
wrote:

Thanks, David!

I noticed that Roman tweeted the link yesterday, so I guess the cat is

out of the bag, as the saying goes.

As such, barring any objections, I'll start spreading the word.


Do we really want to do marketing on the temporary URL ?


In my opinion, we should do some renaming so the current one is called
-old and the new one replaces the current one.


rgds

jan i.



Are there plans in place to link this from the apache.org homepage?

Thanks again,
Sally


[From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and

brevity]

----- Reply message -

From: "David Crossley" 
To: , "Sally Khudairi" 
Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 03:03

Previous discussion here was about how to maintain the
actual project data.
Also various items listed here:
https://projects-new.apache.org/about.html

~David

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 08:55:52PM +, Sally Khudairi wrote:

Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you

well.

Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
Thanks so much,
Sally

 - Forwarded Message -
   From: David Nalley 
  To: Sally Khudairi 
Cc: Daniel Gruno ; ASF Infrastructure <

infrastruct...@apache.org>

  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:50 AM
  Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

Hi Sally:

projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an
infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a discussion
or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o

--David



On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi
 wrote:

Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.


I was wondering if the new Projects page at

https://projects-new.apache.org/

was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.

There's so much great information there and it's an incredible

resource (I use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it
for the Annual Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in
stealth mode, I'd like to shout out about it from the rooftops.

Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any

disclaimers/caveats we should be aware of.

Warm thanks,
Sally


= = = = =
vox +1 617 921 8656
off2 +1 646 583 3362
skype sallykhudairi

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Ted Dunning]

The label on the second pie graph is broken.  It refers to language (cut
and paste from the first caption, I think).



On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Sally Khudairi  wrote:

> So ...we've had a tweet from Roman last month, and now JimJag (bcc'd) has
> done so as well
>
> https://twitter.com/jimjag/status/620940463558782976
>
>
> Are we officially live yet?
>
> If not, please let me know when I can promote.
>
> Cheers,
> Sally
>
> 
> From: Sally Khudairi 
> To: jan i ; "dev@community.apache.org" <
> dev@community.apache.org>
> Cc: David Crossley ; Sally Khudairi 
> Sent: Saturday, 20 June 2015, 6:53
> Subject: Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
>
>
>
> Aha!
>
> OK --that's exactly it. I didn't realize that it was going to replace the
> old link.
>
> So yes, you are correct, Jan, we don't want to do that.
>
> As such, I'll be standing by to hear when you (collectively) are ready.
>
> Thanks again,
>  Sally
>
>
> [From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and
> brevity]
>
>
>
> ----- Reply message -
> From: "jan i" 
> To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
> Cc: "David Crossley" , "Sally Khudairi" <
> s...@apache.org>
> Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 06:39
>
>
>
>
>
> On 20 June 2015 at 12:34, Sally Khudairi 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks, David!
> >
> >I noticed that Roman tweeted the link yesterday, so I guess the cat is
> out of the bag, as the saying goes.
> >
> >As such, barring any objections, I'll start spreading the word.
> >
> Do we really want to do marketing on the temporary URL ?
>
>
> In my opinion, we should do some renaming so the current one is called
> -old and the new one replaces the current one.
>
>
> rgds
>
> jan i.
>
>
> >Are there plans in place to link this from the apache.org homepage?
> >
> >Thanks again,
> >Sally
> >
> >
> >[From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and
> brevity]
> >
> >- Reply message -
> >
> >From: "David Crossley" 
> >To: , "Sally Khudairi" 
> >Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> >Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 03:03
> >
> >Previous discussion here was about how to maintain the
> >actual project data.
> >Also various items listed here:
> >https://projects-new.apache.org/about.html
> >
> >~David
> >
> >On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 08:55:52PM +, Sally Khudairi wrote:
> >> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you
> well.
> >> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
> >> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
> >> Thanks so much,
> >> Sally
> >>
> >> - Forwarded Message -
> >>   From: David Nalley 
> >>  To: Sally Khudairi 
> >> Cc: Daniel Gruno ; ASF Infrastructure <
> infrastruct...@apache.org>
> >>  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:50 AM
> >>  Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> >>
> >> Hi Sally:
> >>
> >> projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an
> >> infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a discussion
> >> or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o
> >>
> >> --David
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I was wondering if the new Projects page at
> >> >
> >> > https://projects-new.apache.org/
> >> >
> >> > was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.
> >> >
> >> > There's so much great information there and it's an incredible
> resource (I use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it
> for the Annual Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in
> stealth mode, I'd like to shout out about it from the rooftops.
> >> >
> >> > Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any
> disclaimers/caveats we should be aware of.
> >> >
> >> > Warm thanks,
> >> > Sally
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > = = = = =
> >> > vox +1 617 921 8656
> >> > off2 +1 646 583 3362
> >> > skype sallykhudairi
> >>
> >>
>

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Sally Khudairi]

Tweeted! https://twitter.com/TheASF/status/621022893405806593

This will also be included in the Apache Weekly News Round-ups as well.

Cheers,
Sally


- Original Message -
From: Sally Khudairi 
To: Hervé BOUTEMY ; "dev@community.apache.org" 

Cc: Sally Khudairi ; jan i ; David 
Crossley ; "ro...@shaposhnik.org" 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2015, 14:23
Subject: Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

Thanks for the confirmation, Hervé!

Salut,
Sally



- Original Message -
From: Hervé BOUTEMY 
To: dev@community.apache.org
Cc: Sally Khudairi ; Sally Khudairi ; 
jan i ; David Crossley ; 
"ro...@shaposhnik.org" 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2015, 14:09
Subject: Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

yes, we are officially live since sunday night
https://projects.apache.org/

Regards,

Hervé


Le mardi 14 juillet 2015 17:40:02 Sally Khudairi a écrit :
> So ...we've had a tweet from Roman last month, and now JimJag (bcc'd) has
> done so as well
> 
> https://twitter.com/jimjag/status/620940463558782976
> 
> 
> Are we officially live yet?
> 
> If not, please let me know when I can promote.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sally
> 
> 
> From: Sally Khudairi 
> To: jan i ; "dev@community.apache.org"
>  Cc: David Crossley ; Sally
> Khudairi  Sent: Saturday, 20 June 2015, 6:53
> Subject: Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> 
> 
> 
> Aha!
> 
> OK --that's exactly it. I didn't realize that it was going to replace the
> old link.
> 
> So yes, you are correct, Jan, we don't want to do that.
> 
> As such, I'll be standing by to hear when you (collectively) are ready.
> 
> Thanks again,
>  Sally
> 
> 
> [From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and
> brevity]
> 
> 
> 
> - Reply message -
> From: "jan i" 
> To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
> Cc: "David Crossley" , "Sally Khudairi" 
> Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 06:39
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 20 June 2015 at 12:34, Sally Khudairi 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, David!
> 
> >I noticed that Roman tweeted the link yesterday, so I guess the cat is out
> >of the bag, as the saying goes.
> >
> >As such, barring any objections, I'll start spreading the word.
> 
> Do we really want to do marketing on the temporary URL ?
> 
> 
> In my opinion, we should do some renaming so the current one is called -old
> and the new one replaces the current one.
> 
> 
> rgds
> 
> jan i.
> 
> >Are there plans in place to link this from the apache.org homepage?
> >
> >Thanks again,
> >Sally
> >
> >
> >[From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and
> >brevity]
> >
> >- Reply message -
> >
> >From: "David Crossley" 
> >To: , "Sally Khudairi" 
> >Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> >Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 03:03
> >
> >Previous discussion here was about how to maintain the
> >actual project data.
> >Also various items listed here:
> >https://projects-new.apache.org/about.html
> >
> >~David
> >
> >On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 08:55:52PM +, Sally Khudairi wrote:
> >> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you
> >> well.
> >> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
> >> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
> >> Thanks so much,
> >> Sally
> >> 
> >> - Forwarded Message -
> >>  
> >>   From: David Nalley 
> >>  
> >>  To: Sally Khudairi 
> >> 
> >> Cc: Daniel Gruno ; ASF Infrastructure
> >> >> 
> >>  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:50 AM
> >>  Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> >> 
> >> Hi Sally:
> >> 
> >> projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an
> >> infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a discussion
> >> or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o
> >> 
> >> --David
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi
> >> 
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > I was wondering if the new Projects page at
> >> > 
> >> > https://projects-new.apache.org/
> >> > 
> >> > was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.
> >> > 
> >> > There's so much great information there and it's an incredible resource
> >> > (I use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it for
> >> > the Annual Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in
> >> > stealth mode, I'd like to shout out about it from the rooftops.
> >> > 
> >> > Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any
> >> > disclaimers/caveats we should be aware of.
> >> > 
> >> > Warm thanks,
> >> > Sally
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > = = = = =
> >> > vox +1 617 921 8656
> >> > off2 +1 646 583 3362
> >> > skype sallykhudairi

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Sally Khudairi]

Thanks for the confirmation, Hervé!
 
Salut,
Sally


- Original Message -
From: Hervé BOUTEMY 
To: dev@community.apache.org
Cc: Sally Khudairi ; Sally Khudairi ; 
jan i ; David Crossley ; 
"ro...@shaposhnik.org" 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2015, 14:09
Subject: Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

yes, we are officially live since sunday night
https://projects.apache.org/

Regards,

Hervé


Le mardi 14 juillet 2015 17:40:02 Sally Khudairi a écrit :
> So ...we've had a tweet from Roman last month, and now JimJag (bcc'd) has
> done so as well
> 
> https://twitter.com/jimjag/status/620940463558782976
> 
> 
> Are we officially live yet?
> 
> If not, please let me know when I can promote.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sally
> 
> 
> From: Sally Khudairi 
> To: jan i ; "dev@community.apache.org"
>  Cc: David Crossley ; Sally
> Khudairi  Sent: Saturday, 20 June 2015, 6:53
> Subject: Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> 
> 
> 
> Aha!
> 
> OK --that's exactly it. I didn't realize that it was going to replace the
> old link.
> 
> So yes, you are correct, Jan, we don't want to do that.
> 
> As such, I'll be standing by to hear when you (collectively) are ready.
> 
> Thanks again,
>  Sally
> 
> 
> [From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and
> brevity]
> 
> 
> 
> - Reply message -
> From: "jan i" 
> To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
> Cc: "David Crossley" , "Sally Khudairi" 
> Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 06:39
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 20 June 2015 at 12:34, Sally Khudairi 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, David!
> 
> >I noticed that Roman tweeted the link yesterday, so I guess the cat is out
> >of the bag, as the saying goes.
> >
> >As such, barring any objections, I'll start spreading the word.
> 
> Do we really want to do marketing on the temporary URL ?
> 
> 
> In my opinion, we should do some renaming so the current one is called -old
> and the new one replaces the current one.
> 
> 
> rgds
> 
> jan i.
> 
> >Are there plans in place to link this from the apache.org homepage?
> >
> >Thanks again,
> >Sally
> >
> >
> >[From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and
> >brevity]
> >
> >- Reply message -
> >
> >From: "David Crossley" 
> >To: , "Sally Khudairi" 
> >Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> >Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 03:03
> >
> >Previous discussion here was about how to maintain the
> >actual project data.
> >Also various items listed here:
> >https://projects-new.apache.org/about.html
> >
> >~David
> >
> >On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 08:55:52PM +, Sally Khudairi wrote:
> >> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you
> >> well.
> >> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
> >> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
> >> Thanks so much,
> >> Sally
> >> 
> >> - Forwarded Message -
> >>  
> >>   From: David Nalley 
> >>  
> >>  To: Sally Khudairi 
> >> 
> >> Cc: Daniel Gruno ; ASF Infrastructure
> >> >> 
> >>  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:50 AM
> >>  Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> >> 
> >> Hi Sally:
> >> 
> >> projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an
> >> infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a discussion
> >> or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o
> >> 
> >> --David
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi
> >> 
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > I was wondering if the new Projects page at
> >> > 
> >> > https://projects-new.apache.org/
> >> > 
> >> > was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.
> >> > 
> >> > There's so much great information there and it's an incredible resource
> >> > (I use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it for
> >> > the Annual Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in
> >> > stealth mode, I'd like to shout out about it from the rooftops.
> >> > 
> >> > Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any
> >> > disclaimers/caveats we should be aware of.
> >> > 
> >> > Warm thanks,
> >> > Sally
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > = = = = =
> >> > vox +1 617 921 8656
> >> > off2 +1 646 583 3362
> >> > skype sallykhudairi

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

yes, we are officially live since sunday night
https://projects.apache.org/

Regards,

Hervé

Le mardi 14 juillet 2015 17:40:02 Sally Khudairi a écrit :
> So ...we've had a tweet from Roman last month, and now JimJag (bcc'd) has
> done so as well
> 
> https://twitter.com/jimjag/status/620940463558782976
> 
> 
> Are we officially live yet?
> 
> If not, please let me know when I can promote.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sally
> 
> 
> From: Sally Khudairi 
> To: jan i ; "dev@community.apache.org"
>  Cc: David Crossley ; Sally
> Khudairi  Sent: Saturday, 20 June 2015, 6:53
> Subject: Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> 
> 
> 
> Aha!
> 
> OK --that's exactly it. I didn't realize that it was going to replace the
> old link.
> 
> So yes, you are correct, Jan, we don't want to do that.
> 
> As such, I'll be standing by to hear when you (collectively) are ready.
> 
> Thanks again,
>  Sally
> 
> 
> [From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and
> brevity]
> 
> 
> 
> - Reply message -
> From: "jan i" 
> To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
> Cc: "David Crossley" , "Sally Khudairi" 
> Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 06:39
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 20 June 2015 at 12:34, Sally Khudairi 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, David!
> 
> >I noticed that Roman tweeted the link yesterday, so I guess the cat is out
> >of the bag, as the saying goes.
> >
> >As such, barring any objections, I'll start spreading the word.
> 
> Do we really want to do marketing on the temporary URL ?
> 
> 
> In my opinion, we should do some renaming so the current one is called -old
> and the new one replaces the current one.
> 
> 
> rgds
> 
> jan i.
> 
> >Are there plans in place to link this from the apache.org homepage?
> >
> >Thanks again,
> >Sally
> >
> >
> >[From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and
> >brevity]
> >
> >- Reply message -
> >
> >From: "David Crossley" 
> >To: , "Sally Khudairi" 
> >Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> >Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 03:03
> >
> >Previous discussion here was about how to maintain the
> >actual project data.
> >Also various items listed here:
> >https://projects-new.apache.org/about.html
> >
> >~David
> >
> >On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 08:55:52PM +, Sally Khudairi wrote:
> >> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you
> >> well.
> >> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
> >> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
> >> Thanks so much,
> >> Sally
> >> 
> >> - Forwarded Message -
> >>   
> >>   From: David Nalley 
> >>  
> >>  To: Sally Khudairi 
> >> 
> >> Cc: Daniel Gruno ; ASF Infrastructure
> >> >> 
> >>  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:50 AM
> >>  Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> >> 
> >> Hi Sally:
> >> 
> >> projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an
> >> infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a discussion
> >> or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o
> >> 
> >> --David
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi
> >> 
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > I was wondering if the new Projects page at
> >> > 
> >> > https://projects-new.apache.org/
> >> > 
> >> > was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.
> >> > 
> >> > There's so much great information there and it's an incredible resource
> >> > (I use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it for
> >> > the Annual Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in
> >> > stealth mode, I'd like to shout out about it from the rooftops.
> >> > 
> >> > Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any
> >> > disclaimers/caveats we should be aware of.
> >> > 
> >> > Warm thanks,
> >> > Sally
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > = = = = =
> >> > vox +1 617 921 8656
> >> > off2 +1 646 583 3362
> >> > skype sallykhudairi

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Sally Khudairi]

So ...we've had a tweet from Roman last month, and now JimJag (bcc'd) has done 
so as well

https://twitter.com/jimjag/status/620940463558782976


Are we officially live yet?

If not, please let me know when I can promote.

Cheers,
Sally


From: Sally Khudairi 
To: jan i ; "dev@community.apache.org" 
 
Cc: David Crossley ; Sally Khudairi  
Sent: Saturday, 20 June 2015, 6:53
Subject: Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?



Aha!

OK --that's exactly it. I didn't realize that it was going to replace the old 
link.

So yes, you are correct, Jan, we don't want to do that.

As such, I'll be standing by to hear when you (collectively) are ready.

Thanks again,
 Sally


[From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and 
brevity]



- Reply message -
From: "jan i" 
To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
Cc: "David Crossley" , "Sally Khudairi" 
Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 06:39





On 20 June 2015 at 12:34, Sally Khudairi  
wrote:

Thanks, David!
>
>I noticed that Roman tweeted the link yesterday, so I guess the cat is out of 
>the bag, as the saying goes.
>
>As such, barring any objections, I'll start spreading the word.
>
Do we really want to do marketing on the temporary URL ?


In my opinion, we should do some renaming so the current one is called -old and 
the new one replaces the current one.


rgds

jan i. 


>Are there plans in place to link this from the apache.org homepage?
>
>Thanks again,
>Sally
>
>
>[From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and 
>brevity]
>
>- Reply message -
>
>From: "David Crossley" 
>To: , "Sally Khudairi" 
>Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
>Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 03:03
>
>Previous discussion here was about how to maintain the
>actual project data.
>Also various items listed here:
>https://projects-new.apache.org/about.html
>
>~David
>
>On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 08:55:52PM +, Sally Khudairi wrote:
>> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you well.
>> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
>> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
>> Thanks so much,
>> Sally
>>
>> - Forwarded Message -
>>   From: David Nalley 
>>  To: Sally Khudairi 
>> Cc: Daniel Gruno ; ASF Infrastructure 
>> 
>>  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:50 AM
>>  Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
>>
>> Hi Sally:
>>
>> projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an
>> infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a discussion
>> or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o
>>
>> --David
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi
>>  wrote:
>> > Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.
>> >
>> >
>> > I was wondering if the new Projects page at
>> >
>> > https://projects-new.apache.org/
>> >
>> > was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.
>> >
>> > There's so much great information there and it's an incredible resource (I 
>> > use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it for the 
>> > Annual Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in stealth 
>> > mode, I'd like to shout out about it from the rooftops.
>> >
>> > Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any 
>> > disclaimers/caveats we should be aware of.
>> >
>> > Warm thanks,
>> > Sally
>> >
>> >
>> > = = = = =
>> > vox +1 617 921 8656
>> > off2 +1 646 583 3362
>> > skype sallykhudairi
>>
>>

Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 17:46:55 sebb a écrit :
> On 26 June 2015 at 07:12, Hervé BOUTEMY  wrote:
> > that's why I want to switch projects to projects-old and projects-new to
> > projects: be able to work on extracting documentation from projects-old
> > and
> > updating it to match the new location
> 
> That will break the existing links.
> 
> If you want do the switch ahead of fixing the documentation, then one
> way to do it is to ensure that projects-old is set up to point to the
> current projects.a.o.
> 
> Then change projects-new to link to projects-old instead of projects -
> that should be trivial to do.
> 
> Then projects-new can replace projects.a.o.
> 
> Documentation can then be migrated to the new code in the old URL.
yes, of course, these are the exact steps: I just summarised

> 
> > I proposed http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/comdev/projects.apache.org/data/
> > as
> > the new location of DOAP files lists (both PMC and projects) but got no
> > answer
> Did not see that.
> 
> That will break projects-old, so -1 until projects-old has been
> retired unless you can find a way to keep projects-old working with
> the new location.
the idea is to let old data in the old location and not update it any more: 
this won't break anything, just make projects-old less accurate over time
that's not an issue IMHO, since we expect to migrate the doc and shutdown 
projects-old after that, in a few monthes

notice that I think the cron job that updates projects-old should be switched 
off to avoid issues

> 
> AFAIK it's not necessary to move the location.
?
previously, you told having projects-new depending on projects-old was an 
issue and you were right!
and IMHO, it's an issue just because data in projects-old is hard to find for 
someone not expert in the whole system

I'll start to add comments in projects-old data to point to projects-new to 
start the transition

then we'll have to agree on when to really switch (and find who can do it)

Regards,

Hervé

> 
> > if we're ok with that new location, the next step is to stop modifying
> > equivalent files in
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/projects/
> > (or even remove them) but point to the new location
> > 
> > Of course, if ok with the new location, we can immediately add
> > committees.xml and projects.xml pointers to
> > https://projects-new.apache.org/about.html IMHO the simple file names and
> > location in about.html would make things very clear before diggin into
> > more details on DOAP format and conventions (which could be in the Wiki
> > for ease of editing)
> > 
> > 
> > can we agree:
> > 1. on the new data location and content:
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/comdev/projects.apache.org/data/
> 
> No, see above.
> 
> > 2. on the switch then update of everything to match the new location (and
> > stop updating projects-old)
> 
> Not entirely, see above.
> 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Hervé
> > 
> > Le jeudi 25 juin 2015 09:17:32 vous avez écrit :
> >> On 25 June 2015 at 06:53, Hervé BOUTEMY  wrote:
> >> > Sebb,
> >> > 
> >> > as main maintainer of current http://projects.apache.org/ (AFAIK), are
> >> > you
> >> > ok with switching the url to the new service and renaming current
> >> > service
> >> > to projects-old (to let use time to continue content migration withotu
> >> > loosing anything)? Do you see any show stopper?
> >> 
> >> The main item missing from projects-new is documentation - it
> >> currently points to projects.
> >> It's not immediately obvious how to provide data for the site.
> >> I think the main page needs to provide more of an overview.
> >> 
> >> I think the first step needs to be to improve the projects-new
> >> documentation so it does not rely on the current project pages.
> >> 
> >> Also I notice that it seems p-new relies on parsing
> >> http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> >> which in turn parses other data sources.
> >> 
> >> That needs to be fixed.
> >> 
> >> > Of course, I'm interested in your help to maintain the new projects
> >> > site:
> >> > don't hesitate to comment on or change the code.
> >> > 
> >> > Regards,
> >> > 
> >> > Hervé
> >> > 
> >> > Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 17:16:07 jan i a écrit :
> >> >> +1 switch as soon as possible, and then continue working on the data
> >

Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[sebb]

On 26 June 2015 at 07:12, Hervé BOUTEMY  wrote:
> that's why I want to switch projects to projects-old and projects-new to
> projects: be able to work on extracting documentation from projects-old and
> updating it to match the new location

That will break the existing links.

If you want do the switch ahead of fixing the documentation, then one
way to do it is to ensure that projects-old is set up to point to the
current projects.a.o.

Then change projects-new to link to projects-old instead of projects -
that should be trivial to do.

Then projects-new can replace projects.a.o.

Documentation can then be migrated to the new code in the old URL.

> I proposed http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/comdev/projects.apache.org/data/ as
> the new location of DOAP files lists (both PMC and projects) but got no answer

Did not see that.

That will break projects-old, so -1 until projects-old has been
retired unless you can find a way to keep projects-old working with
the new location.

AFAIK it's not necessary to move the location.

> if we're ok with that new location, the next step is to stop modifying
> equivalent files in 
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/projects/ (or 
> even remove them) but point to the new location
>
> Of course, if ok with the new location, we can immediately add committees.xml
> and projects.xml pointers to https://projects-new.apache.org/about.html
> IMHO the simple file names and location in about.html would make things very
> clear before diggin into more details on DOAP format and conventions (which
> could be in the Wiki for ease of editing)
>
>
> can we agree:
> 1. on the new data location and content:
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/comdev/projects.apache.org/data/

No, see above.

> 2. on the switch then update of everything to match the new location (and stop
> updating projects-old)

Not entirely, see above.

> Regards,
>
> Hervé
>
> Le jeudi 25 juin 2015 09:17:32 vous avez écrit :
>> On 25 June 2015 at 06:53, Hervé BOUTEMY  wrote:
>> > Sebb,
>> >
>> > as main maintainer of current http://projects.apache.org/ (AFAIK), are you
>> > ok with switching the url to the new service and renaming current service
>> > to projects-old (to let use time to continue content migration withotu
>> > loosing anything)? Do you see any show stopper?
>>
>> The main item missing from projects-new is documentation - it
>> currently points to projects.
>> It's not immediately obvious how to provide data for the site.
>> I think the main page needs to provide more of an overview.
>>
>> I think the first step needs to be to improve the projects-new
>> documentation so it does not rely on the current project pages.
>>
>> Also I notice that it seems p-new relies on parsing
>> http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
>> which in turn parses other data sources.
>>
>> That needs to be fixed.
>>
>> > Of course, I'm interested in your help to maintain the new projects site:
>> > don't hesitate to comment on or change the code.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Hervé
>> >
>> > Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 17:16:07 jan i a écrit :
>> >> +1 switch as soon as possible, and then continue working on the data end.
>> >>
>> >> rgds
>> >> jan i
>> >>
>> >> On Sunday, June 21, 2015, Hervé BOUTEMY  wrote:
>> >> > Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 15:54:29 jan i a écrit :
>> >> > > On 21 June 2015 at 15:48, Daniel Gruno > >> >
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > > On 2015-06-21 02:45, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
>> >> > > >> for me, the new site is ready: there is of course room for
>> >> >
>> >> > improvements,
>> >> >
>> >> > > >> but
>> >> > > >> it is stable and maintainable, waiting for contributions
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> notice: I changed the wording to stop using "TLP", but use
>> >> > > >> "Committee"
>> >> > > >> instead, since TLP cause issues when trying to describe each
>> >> > > >> projects
>> >> > > >> (the
>> >> > > >> software) as TLP or sub-projects
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> when doing the switch, we'll need to rename current site as
>> >> > > >> projects-
>> >> > > >> old.apa

Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[jan i]

On 26 June 2015 at 08:12, Hervé BOUTEMY  wrote:

> that's why I want to switch projects to projects-old and projects-new to
> projects: be able to work on extracting documentation from projects-old and
> updating it to match the new location
>
If we wait too long, too many people start using projects-new.

I do not think it is possible to make the perfect site, especially not in
advance.

>
> I proposed http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/comdev/projects.apache.org/data/
> as
> the new location of DOAP files lists (both PMC and projects) but got no
> answer
>
ups, I did not see it as a question, but as a decision to which I had no
objections.

>
> if we're ok with that new location, the next step is to stop modifying
> equivalent files in
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/projects/
> (or even remove them) but point to the new location
>
> Of course, if ok with the new location, we can immediately add
> committees.xml
> and projects.xml pointers to https://projects-new.apache.org/about.html
> IMHO the simple file names and location in about.html would make things
> very
> clear before diggin into more details on DOAP format and conventions (which
> could be in the Wiki for ease of editing)
>
>
> can we agree:
> 1. on the new data location and content:
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/comdev/projects.apache.org/data/
>
+1

>
> 2. on the switch then update of everything to match the new location (and
> stop
> updating projects-old)
>
+1

I do not have a lot of spare cycles due to apacheCON, but I am always
availble if you need a bit of testing.

rgds
jan i.


>
> Regards,
>
> Hervé
>
> Le jeudi 25 juin 2015 09:17:32 vous avez écrit :
> > On 25 June 2015 at 06:53, Hervé BOUTEMY  wrote:
> > > Sebb,
> > >
> > > as main maintainer of current http://projects.apache.org/ (AFAIK),
> are you
> > > ok with switching the url to the new service and renaming current
> service
> > > to projects-old (to let use time to continue content migration withotu
> > > loosing anything)? Do you see any show stopper?
> >
> > The main item missing from projects-new is documentation - it
> > currently points to projects.
> > It's not immediately obvious how to provide data for the site.
> > I think the main page needs to provide more of an overview.
> >
> > I think the first step needs to be to improve the projects-new
> > documentation so it does not rely on the current project pages.
> >
> > Also I notice that it seems p-new relies on parsing
> > http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> > which in turn parses other data sources.
> >
> > That needs to be fixed.
> >
> > > Of course, I'm interested in your help to maintain the new projects
> site:
> > > don't hesitate to comment on or change the code.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Hervé
> > >
> > > Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 17:16:07 jan i a écrit :
> > >> +1 switch as soon as possible, and then continue working on the data
> end.
> > >>
> > >> rgds
> > >> jan i
> > >>
> > >> On Sunday, June 21, 2015, Hervé BOUTEMY 
> wrote:
> > >> > Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 15:54:29 jan i a écrit :
> > >> > > On 21 June 2015 at 15:48, Daniel Gruno  > >> >
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > > On 2015-06-21 02:45, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> > >> > > >> for me, the new site is ready: there is of course room for
> > >> >
> > >> > improvements,
> > >> >
> > >> > > >> but
> > >> > > >> it is stable and maintainable, waiting for contributions
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> notice: I changed the wording to stop using "TLP", but use
> > >> > > >> "Committee"
> > >> > > >> instead, since TLP cause issues when trying to describe each
> > >> > > >> projects
> > >> > > >> (the
> > >> > > >> software) as TLP or sub-projects
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> when doing the switch, we'll need to rename current site as
> > >> > > >> projects-
> > >> > > >> old.apache.org: there is some content to migrate (DOAP,
> > >> >
> > >> > documentation)
> > >> >
> > >> > > >

Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

that's why I want to switch projects to projects-old and projects-new to 
projects: be able to work on extracting documentation from projects-old and 
updating it to match the new location

I proposed http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/comdev/projects.apache.org/data/ as 
the new location of DOAP files lists (both PMC and projects) but got no answer

if we're ok with that new location, the next step is to stop modifying 
equivalent files in 
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/projects/ (or even 
remove them) but point to the new location

Of course, if ok with the new location, we can immediately add committees.xml 
and projects.xml pointers to https://projects-new.apache.org/about.html 
IMHO the simple file names and location in about.html would make things very 
clear before diggin into more details on DOAP format and conventions (which 
could be in the Wiki for ease of editing)


can we agree:
1. on the new data location and content: 
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/comdev/projects.apache.org/data/

2. on the switch then update of everything to match the new location (and stop 
updating projects-old)

Regards,

Hervé

Le jeudi 25 juin 2015 09:17:32 vous avez écrit :
> On 25 June 2015 at 06:53, Hervé BOUTEMY  wrote:
> > Sebb,
> > 
> > as main maintainer of current http://projects.apache.org/ (AFAIK), are you
> > ok with switching the url to the new service and renaming current service
> > to projects-old (to let use time to continue content migration withotu
> > loosing anything)? Do you see any show stopper?
> 
> The main item missing from projects-new is documentation - it
> currently points to projects.
> It's not immediately obvious how to provide data for the site.
> I think the main page needs to provide more of an overview.
> 
> I think the first step needs to be to improve the projects-new
> documentation so it does not rely on the current project pages.
> 
> Also I notice that it seems p-new relies on parsing
> http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> which in turn parses other data sources.
> 
> That needs to be fixed.
> 
> > Of course, I'm interested in your help to maintain the new projects site:
> > don't hesitate to comment on or change the code.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Hervé
> > 
> > Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 17:16:07 jan i a écrit :
> >> +1 switch as soon as possible, and then continue working on the data end.
> >> 
> >> rgds
> >> jan i
> >> 
> >> On Sunday, June 21, 2015, Hervé BOUTEMY  wrote:
> >> > Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 15:54:29 jan i a écrit :
> >> > > On 21 June 2015 at 15:48, Daniel Gruno  >> > 
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > > On 2015-06-21 02:45, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> >> > > >> for me, the new site is ready: there is of course room for
> >> > 
> >> > improvements,
> >> > 
> >> > > >> but
> >> > > >> it is stable and maintainable, waiting for contributions
> >> > > >> 
> >> > > >> notice: I changed the wording to stop using "TLP", but use
> >> > > >> "Committee"
> >> > > >> instead, since TLP cause issues when trying to describe each
> >> > > >> projects
> >> > > >> (the
> >> > > >> software) as TLP or sub-projects
> >> > > >> 
> >> > > >> 
> >> > > >> when doing the switch, we'll need to rename current site as
> >> > > >> projects-
> >> > > >> old.apache.org: there is some content to migrate (DOAP,
> >> > 
> >> > documentation)
> >> > 
> >> > > >> associated to communication with projects on the changes that has
> >> > > >> to
> >> > 
> >> > be
> >> > 
> >> > > >> decoupled from public vizualisation. I'll continue working on it.
> >> > > >> 
> >> > > >> There one choice to do: continue serving the pages from current VM
> >> > > >> or
> >> > > >> serve
> >> > > >> through standard resilient httpds. The VM is useful for cron jobs,
> >> > 
> >> > but is
> >> > 
> >> > > >> not
> >> > > >> absolutely necessary for serving content since I removed online
> >> > 
> >> > content
> >> > 
> >> > > >> editing that caused the VM requirement for conte

Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[sebb AT ASF]

oice).
>> >
>> > step by step, please: this will avoid confusion between independant topics
>> >
>> > switching without disturbing current conventions/knowledge is something
>> > that
>> > already takes a long time and energy: I know it because I put a lot of
>> > energy
>> > on it for a few monthes now!
>> >
>> > We started a discussion on this source format topic during april, and
>> > AFAIK
>> > nobody worked on it.
>> >
>> > What I'd like now is to switch: we can discuss later on what we want to
>> > change
>> > (and communication to every comittees this requires).
>> > With the new site, we'll be able to change formats if we want, the only
>> > requirement is to have json files for the visualization
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Hervé
>> >
>> > > rgds
>> > > jan i.
>> > >
>> > > > With regards,
>> > > > Daniel.
>> > > >
>> > > >> but definitely, the site is ready for the switch
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Regards,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Hervé
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Le vendredi 19 juin 2015 20:55:52 Sally Khudairi a écrit :
>> > > >>> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you
>> > > >>> well.
>> > > >>> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
>> > > >>> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
>> > > >>> Thanks so much,
>> > > >>> Sally
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>  - Forwarded Message -
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>From: David Nalley >
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>   To: Sally Khudairi >
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Cc: Daniel Gruno >; ASF
>> >
>> > Infrastructure
>> >
>> > > >>> > Sent: Friday, June 19,
>> >
>> > 2015 11:50 AM
>> >
>> > > >>>   Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime
>> >
>> > time?
>> >
>> > > >>> Hi Sally:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an
>> > > >>> infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a
>> > > >>> discussion
>> > > >>> or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> --David
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> > wrote:
>> > > >>>> Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> I was wondering if the new Projects page at
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> https://projects-new.apache.org/
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> There's so much great information there and it's an incredible
>> >
>> > resource
>> >
>> > > >>>> (I
>> > > >>>> use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it for
>> > > >>>> the
>> > > >>>> Annual Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in
>> >
>> > stealth
>> >
>> > > >>>> mode, I'd like to shout out about it from the rooftops.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any
>> > > >>>> disclaimers/caveats we should be aware of.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Warm thanks,
>> > > >>>> Sally
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> = = = = =
>> > > >>>> vox +1 617 921 8656
>> > > >>>> off2 +1 646 583 3362
>> > > >>>> skype sallykhudairi
>

Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

Sebb,

as main maintainer of current http://projects.apache.org/ (AFAIK), are you ok 
with switching the url to the new service and renaming current service to 
projects-old (to let use time to continue content migration withotu loosing 
anything)? Do you see any show stopper?

Of course, I'm interested in your help to maintain the new projects site: 
don't hesitate to comment on or change the code.

Regards,

Hervé

Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 17:16:07 jan i a écrit :
> +1 switch as soon as possible, and then continue working on the data end.
> 
> rgds
> jan i
> 
> On Sunday, June 21, 2015, Hervé BOUTEMY  wrote:
> > Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 15:54:29 jan i a écrit :
> > > On 21 June 2015 at 15:48, Daniel Gruno  > 
> > > wrote:
> > > > On 2015-06-21 02:45, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> > > >> for me, the new site is ready: there is of course room for
> > 
> > improvements,
> > 
> > > >> but
> > > >> it is stable and maintainable, waiting for contributions
> > > >> 
> > > >> notice: I changed the wording to stop using "TLP", but use
> > > >> "Committee"
> > > >> instead, since TLP cause issues when trying to describe each projects
> > > >> (the
> > > >> software) as TLP or sub-projects
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> when doing the switch, we'll need to rename current site as projects-
> > > >> old.apache.org: there is some content to migrate (DOAP,
> > 
> > documentation)
> > 
> > > >> associated to communication with projects on the changes that has to
> > 
> > be
> > 
> > > >> decoupled from public vizualisation. I'll continue working on it.
> > > >> 
> > > >> There one choice to do: continue serving the pages from current VM or
> > > >> serve
> > > >> through standard resilient httpds. The VM is useful for cron jobs,
> > 
> > but is
> > 
> > > >> not
> > > >> absolutely necessary for serving content since I removed online
> > 
> > content
> > 
> > > >> editing that caused the VM requirement for content serving AFAIK.
> > 
> > Using
> > 
> > > >> standard httpd will avoid SPOF or eventual load issue.
> > > > 
> > > > What do you mean by 'standard httpd'? It already uses...standard httpd
> > 
> > for
> > 
> > > > serving the site.
> > > > The cron jobs are needed for updating various statistics and data on
> > 
> > the
> > 
> > > > site, they can't just be shut off - they also power
> > 
> > reporter.apache.org.
> > 
> > > Maybe I misunderstood something, I understood that we are using httpd,
> > 
> > but
> > 
> > > in our own vm. In my opinion it would be nicer to use the www.a.o httpd
> > > (sorry
> > > vms have been changing lately so I am not sure where it runs), since
> > > that
> > > would put httpd maintenance on infra instead of comdev.
> > 
> > +1
> > that was what I mean by "standard httpd" (ie not the binary but the
> > machines
> > where it runs)
> > 
> > > > I think the site is ready for a more prominent role, but I find this
> > > > discussion confusing, and I find it somewhat sad that we're gonna
> > > > stick
> > > > with something as arcane as DOAP.
> > > 
> > > +100 !!
> > > 
> > > DOAP == Dead On Arrival Permanently :-) JSON == Jump Simply On New
> > > (but I know I am only 1 voice).
> > 
> > step by step, please: this will avoid confusion between independant topics
> > 
> > switching without disturbing current conventions/knowledge is something
> > that
> > already takes a long time and energy: I know it because I put a lot of
> > energy
> > on it for a few monthes now!
> > 
> > We started a discussion on this source format topic during april, and
> > AFAIK
> > nobody worked on it.
> > 
> > What I'd like now is to switch: we can discuss later on what we want to
> > change
> > (and communication to every comittees this requires).
> > With the new site, we'll be able to change formats if we want, the only
> > requirement is to have json files for the visualization
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Hervé
> > 
> > > rgds
> > > j

Re: Format for project data: DOAP/JSON/other (was: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?)

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

from my experience when working on the topic, what was very confusing was PMC 
descriptors vs projects DOAP files, and the fact that everything was mixed in 
code [1]

Then I just copied content in projects-new data directory and renamed things 
to be clear about these 2 types of descriptors [2]: IMHO, this will already 
help a lot


Another thing I did is that Python scripts that parse descriptors (projects 
and committees) to generate json files also copy .rdf files in 
/doap/{committeeId} [3]


Last thing at the moment: once again, I'm not a DOAP expert, and there seem to 
be semantic web experts in ASF who should help others better understand how to 
use that. But at the moment, the format seems really not well understood by a 
vast majority of people, even if some advanced rdf files [4] show what can be 
done

Regards,

Hervé

[1] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/projects/

[2] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/comdev/projects.apache.org/data/

[3] https://projects-new.apache.org/doap/
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/comdev/projects.apache.org/site/doap/

[4] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/oltu/site/doap_org.apache.oltu.parent.rdf

Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 16:29:19 sebb a écrit :
> [Starting thread with new subject]
> 
> On 21 June 2015 at 16:03, Hervé BOUTEMY  wrote:
> > Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 15:54:29 jan i a écrit :
> >> On 21 June 2015 at 15:48, Daniel Gruno  wrote:
> >> > I think the site is ready for a more prominent role, but I find this
> >> > discussion confusing, and I find it somewhat sad that we're gonna stick
> >> > with something as arcane as DOAP.
> >> 
> >> +100 !!
> >> 
> >> DOAP == Dead On Arrival Permanently :-) JSON == Jump Simply On New
> >> (but I know I am only 1 voice).
> > 
> > step by step, please: this will avoid confusion between independant topics
> > 
> > switching without disturbing current conventions/knowledge is something
> > that already takes a long time and energy: I know it because I put a lot
> > of energy on it for a few monthes now!
> > 
> > We started a discussion on this source format topic during april, and
> > AFAIK
> > nobody worked on it.
> > 
> > What I'd like now is to switch: we can discuss later on what we want to
> > change (and communication to every comittees this requires).
> > With the new site, we'll be able to change formats if we want, the only
> > requirement is to have json files for the visualization
> 
> Some PMCs are very responsive to requests to maintain DOAP files;
> others take months and multiple reminders even for a simple fix. This
> does not directly affect the format used to hold the data. However it
> does mean that changing to a new format is likely to take a lot of
> time and involve a lot of work. Meanwhile the code will need to
> continue to support the old format.
> 
> It would however be an opportunity to make some improvements. For example:
> - we could be more specific about the data that really needs to be
> maintained by PMCs
> - we could require that the files are stored in a well-known place,
> rather than requiring an index file to find them.

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Sally Khudairi]

:-D OK --glad we're cool.

[From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and 
brevity]

- Reply message -
From: "Roman Shaposhnik" 
To: "ComDev" , "Sally Khudairi" 
Cc: "David Crossley" 
Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
Date: Sun, Jun 21, 2015 16:37

On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Sally Khudairi  wrote:
> Thanks, Roman.
> To be clear, my statement was not intended to be an attack of any kind!

I really didn't read it like that! Just felt like clarifying, I guess ;-)

Thanks,
Roman.

Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Aaron Gordon Jr.]

For example,

Which species or type of animal, where it is native to, the various nests, 
mating seasons, colors. Through an interactive viewing ai similar to the window 
zoomed in on the animal. 



Aaron D. Gordon Jr.

> On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Roman Shaposhnik  wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Sally Khudairi  wrote:
>> Thanks, Roman.
>> To be clear, my statement was not intended to be an attack of any kind!
> 
> I really didn't read it like that! Just felt like clarifying, I guess ;-)
> 
> Thanks,
> Roman.

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Roman Shaposhnik]

On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Sally Khudairi  wrote:
> Thanks, Roman.
> To be clear, my statement was not intended to be an attack of any kind!

I really didn't read it like that! Just felt like clarifying, I guess ;-)

Thanks,
Roman.

Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Aaron Gordon Jr.]

That would auto inform photographs, text, words..yeah.

Aaron D. Gordon Jr.

> On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:25 PM, Aaron Gordon Jr.  wrote:
> 
> What about a native informative app?
> 
> Aaron D. Gordon Jr.
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Sally Khudairi  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Roman.
>> To be clear, my statement was not intended to be an attack of any kind! Just 
>> stating what had come across @TheASF "notifications" thread on Twitter. 
>> Cheers,Sally
>> 
>> From: Roman Shaposhnik 
>> To: ComDev  
>> Cc: David Crossley ; Sally Khudairi  
>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 3:34 AM, Sally Khudairi
>>  wrote:
>>> Thanks, David!
>>> 
>>> I noticed that Roman tweeted the link yesterday, so I guess the cat is out 
>>> of the bag, as the saying goes.
>> 
>> Btw, the reason I tweeted a 'beta' URL is to get feedback.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Roman.
>> 
>> 

Re: Format for project data: DOAP/JSON/other (was: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?)

[Christopher]

On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 11:29 AM, sebb  wrote:
> [Starting thread with new subject]
>
> On 21 June 2015 at 16:03, Hervé BOUTEMY  wrote:
>> Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 15:54:29 jan i a écrit :
>>> On 21 June 2015 at 15:48, Daniel Gruno  wrote:
>>> > I think the site is ready for a more prominent role, but I find this
>>> > discussion confusing, and I find it somewhat sad that we're gonna stick
>>> > with something as arcane as DOAP.
>>>
>>> +100 !!
>>>
>>> DOAP == Dead On Arrival Permanently :-) JSON == Jump Simply On New
>>> (but I know I am only 1 voice).
>> step by step, please: this will avoid confusion between independant topics
>>
>> switching without disturbing current conventions/knowledge is something that
>> already takes a long time and energy: I know it because I put a lot of energy
>> on it for a few monthes now!
>>
>> We started a discussion on this source format topic during april, and AFAIK
>> nobody worked on it.
>>
>> What I'd like now is to switch: we can discuss later on what we want to 
>> change
>> (and communication to every comittees this requires).
>> With the new site, we'll be able to change formats if we want, the only
>> requirement is to have json files for the visualization
>
> Some PMCs are very responsive to requests to maintain DOAP files;
> others take months and multiple reminders even for a simple fix. This
> does not directly affect the format used to hold the data. However it
> does mean that changing to a new format is likely to take a lot of
> time and involve a lot of work. Meanwhile the code will need to
> continue to support the old format.
>
> It would however be an opportunity to make some improvements. For example:
> - we could be more specific about the data that really needs to be
> maintained by PMCs
> - we could require that the files are stored in a well-known place,
> rather than requiring an index file to find them.

Personally, I'd like to see a nice web interface for a project's
"profile", akin to social media profiles or one's personal profile at
nearly every site on the web. Whatever file format is used behind the
scenes shouldn't matter for PMCs. I think projects-new started us off
in the right direction, essentially doing this for release
information, but really everything about a project could be contained
in a profile managed by a web interface of this type.

I don't think adding requirements to these files (like a well-known
location) are going to make them more maintainable for PMCs. It's just
going to be one more thing for them to remember to get right for
something which is relatively rarely edited. It'd be much easier to
make projects.apache.org be for projects what id.apache.org is for
committers.

For comparison, Fedora seems to do a decent job of providing a
consistent web view of all aspects of a project:
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/java-1.8.0-openjdk . There's
actually several different views, but in general, there's links to
contributors, upstream project page, builds, bug tracker, "updates"
(analogous to releases), source, etc. I realize Apache projects aren't
as homogeneous as package management in Fedora, which makes things a
bit difficult for us, but I do think there's probably some lessons to
be gained. For one, most of those web views are auto-generated, based
on maintainer and user actions (like triggering an update, filing a
bug, applying a patch, or retiring a package). As such, these
interfaces tend not to be editable. However, one can pretty easily
imagine similar project profile pages which are editable by a PMC.

However, I'm not really all that familiar with the historical need for
DOAP files, what tools actually use them, or the historical
preferences for maintaining them. So, I admittedly may not fully grasp
the scope of the problem/changes being discussed. I'm just thinking
that if we can get rid of the requirement for PMCs to maintain them
(in favor of a web-interface way for PMCs to describe all aspects of
their projects), then I'd like that.

--
Christopher L Tubbs II
http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii

Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Aaron Gordon Jr.]

What about a native informative app?

Aaron D. Gordon Jr.

> On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Sally Khudairi  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Roman.
> To be clear, my statement was not intended to be an attack of any kind! Just 
> stating what had come across @TheASF "notifications" thread on Twitter. 
> Cheers,Sally
> 
>  From: Roman Shaposhnik 
> To: ComDev  
> Cc: David Crossley ; Sally Khudairi  
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> 
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 3:34 AM, Sally Khudairi
>  wrote:
>> Thanks, David!
>> 
>> I noticed that Roman tweeted the link yesterday, so I guess the cat is out 
>> of the bag, as the saying goes.
> 
> Btw, the reason I tweeted a 'beta' URL is to get feedback.
> 
> Thanks,
> Roman.
> 
> 

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Sally Khudairi]

Thanks, Roman.
To be clear, my statement was not intended to be an attack of any kind! Just 
stating what had come across @TheASF "notifications" thread on Twitter. 
Cheers,Sally

  From: Roman Shaposhnik 
 To: ComDev  
Cc: David Crossley ; Sally Khudairi  
 Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:20 PM
 Subject: Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
   
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 3:34 AM, Sally Khudairi
 wrote:
> Thanks, David!
>
> I noticed that Roman tweeted the link yesterday, so I guess the cat is out of 
> the bag, as the saying goes.

Btw, the reason I tweeted a 'beta' URL is to get feedback.

Thanks,
Roman.


  

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Roman Shaposhnik]

On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 3:34 AM, Sally Khudairi
 wrote:
> Thanks, David!
>
> I noticed that Roman tweeted the link yesterday, so I guess the cat is out of 
> the bag, as the saying goes.

Btw, the reason I tweeted a 'beta' URL is to get feedback.

Thanks,
Roman.

Format for project data: DOAP/JSON/other (was: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?)

[sebb]

[Starting thread with new subject]

On 21 June 2015 at 16:03, Hervé BOUTEMY  wrote:
> Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 15:54:29 jan i a écrit :
>> On 21 June 2015 at 15:48, Daniel Gruno  wrote:
>> > I think the site is ready for a more prominent role, but I find this
>> > discussion confusing, and I find it somewhat sad that we're gonna stick
>> > with something as arcane as DOAP.
>>
>> +100 !!
>>
>> DOAP == Dead On Arrival Permanently :-) JSON == Jump Simply On New
>> (but I know I am only 1 voice).
> step by step, please: this will avoid confusion between independant topics
>
> switching without disturbing current conventions/knowledge is something that
> already takes a long time and energy: I know it because I put a lot of energy
> on it for a few monthes now!
>
> We started a discussion on this source format topic during april, and AFAIK
> nobody worked on it.
>
> What I'd like now is to switch: we can discuss later on what we want to change
> (and communication to every comittees this requires).
> With the new site, we'll be able to change formats if we want, the only
> requirement is to have json files for the visualization

Some PMCs are very responsive to requests to maintain DOAP files;
others take months and multiple reminders even for a simple fix. This
does not directly affect the format used to hold the data. However it
does mean that changing to a new format is likely to take a lot of
time and involve a lot of work. Meanwhile the code will need to
continue to support the old format.

It would however be an opportunity to make some improvements. For example:
- we could be more specific about the data that really needs to be
maintained by PMCs
- we could require that the files are stored in a well-known place,
rather than requiring an index file to find them.

Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[jan i]

+1 switch as soon as possible, and then continue working on the data end.

rgds
jan i

On Sunday, June 21, 2015, Hervé BOUTEMY  wrote:

> Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 15:54:29 jan i a écrit :
> > On 21 June 2015 at 15:48, Daniel Gruno  > wrote:
> > > On 2015-06-21 02:45, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> > >> for me, the new site is ready: there is of course room for
> improvements,
> > >> but
> > >> it is stable and maintainable, waiting for contributions
> > >>
> > >> notice: I changed the wording to stop using "TLP", but use "Committee"
> > >> instead, since TLP cause issues when trying to describe each projects
> > >> (the
> > >> software) as TLP or sub-projects
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> when doing the switch, we'll need to rename current site as projects-
> > >> old.apache.org: there is some content to migrate (DOAP,
> documentation)
> > >> associated to communication with projects on the changes that has to
> be
> > >> decoupled from public vizualisation. I'll continue working on it.
> > >>
> > >> There one choice to do: continue serving the pages from current VM or
> > >> serve
> > >> through standard resilient httpds. The VM is useful for cron jobs,
> but is
> > >> not
> > >> absolutely necessary for serving content since I removed online
> content
> > >> editing that caused the VM requirement for content serving AFAIK.
> Using
> > >> standard httpd will avoid SPOF or eventual load issue.
> > >
> > > What do you mean by 'standard httpd'? It already uses...standard httpd
> for
> > > serving the site.
> > > The cron jobs are needed for updating various statistics and data on
> the
> > > site, they can't just be shut off - they also power
> reporter.apache.org.
> >
> > Maybe I misunderstood something, I understood that we are using httpd,
> but
> > in our own vm. In my opinion it would be nicer to use the www.a.o httpd
> > (sorry
> > vms have been changing lately so I am not sure where it runs), since that
> > would put httpd maintenance on infra instead of comdev.
> +1
> that was what I mean by "standard httpd" (ie not the binary but the
> machines
> where it runs)
>
>
> >
> > > I think the site is ready for a more prominent role, but I find this
> > > discussion confusing, and I find it somewhat sad that we're gonna stick
> > > with something as arcane as DOAP.
> >
> > +100 !!
> >
> > DOAP == Dead On Arrival Permanently :-) JSON == Jump Simply On New
> > (but I know I am only 1 voice).
> step by step, please: this will avoid confusion between independant topics
>
> switching without disturbing current conventions/knowledge is something
> that
> already takes a long time and energy: I know it because I put a lot of
> energy
> on it for a few monthes now!
>
> We started a discussion on this source format topic during april, and AFAIK
> nobody worked on it.
>
> What I'd like now is to switch: we can discuss later on what we want to
> change
> (and communication to every comittees this requires).
> With the new site, we'll be able to change formats if we want, the only
> requirement is to have json files for the visualization


>
>
> Regards,
>
> Hervé
>
> >
> > rgds
> > jan i.
> >
> > > With regards,
> > > Daniel.
> > >
> > >> but definitely, the site is ready for the switch
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Hervé
> > >>
> > >> Le vendredi 19 juin 2015 20:55:52 Sally Khudairi a écrit :
> > >>> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you
> > >>> well.
> > >>> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
> > >>> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
> > >>> Thanks so much,
> > >>> Sally
> > >>>
> > >>>  - Forwarded Message -
> > >>>
> > >>>From: David Nalley >
> > >>>
> > >>>   To: Sally Khudairi >
> > >>>
> > >>> Cc: Daniel Gruno >; ASF
> Infrastructure
> > >>> > Sent: Friday, June 19,
> 2015 11:50 AM
> > >>>
> > >>>   Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime
> time?
> > >>>
> > 

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

Le dimanche 21 juin 2015 15:54:29 jan i a écrit :
> On 21 June 2015 at 15:48, Daniel Gruno  wrote:
> > On 2015-06-21 02:45, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> >> for me, the new site is ready: there is of course room for improvements,
> >> but
> >> it is stable and maintainable, waiting for contributions
> >> 
> >> notice: I changed the wording to stop using "TLP", but use "Committee"
> >> instead, since TLP cause issues when trying to describe each projects
> >> (the
> >> software) as TLP or sub-projects
> >> 
> >> 
> >> when doing the switch, we'll need to rename current site as projects-
> >> old.apache.org: there is some content to migrate (DOAP, documentation)
> >> associated to communication with projects on the changes that has to be
> >> decoupled from public vizualisation. I'll continue working on it.
> >> 
> >> There one choice to do: continue serving the pages from current VM or
> >> serve
> >> through standard resilient httpds. The VM is useful for cron jobs, but is
> >> not
> >> absolutely necessary for serving content since I removed online content
> >> editing that caused the VM requirement for content serving AFAIK. Using
> >> standard httpd will avoid SPOF or eventual load issue.
> > 
> > What do you mean by 'standard httpd'? It already uses...standard httpd for
> > serving the site.
> > The cron jobs are needed for updating various statistics and data on the
> > site, they can't just be shut off - they also power reporter.apache.org.
> 
> Maybe I misunderstood something, I understood that we are using httpd, but
> in our own vm. In my opinion it would be nicer to use the www.a.o httpd
> (sorry
> vms have been changing lately so I am not sure where it runs), since that
> would put httpd maintenance on infra instead of comdev.
+1
that was what I mean by "standard httpd" (ie not the binary but the machines 
where it runs)


> 
> > I think the site is ready for a more prominent role, but I find this
> > discussion confusing, and I find it somewhat sad that we're gonna stick
> > with something as arcane as DOAP.
> 
> +100 !!
> 
> DOAP == Dead On Arrival Permanently :-) JSON == Jump Simply On New
> (but I know I am only 1 voice).
step by step, please: this will avoid confusion between independant topics

switching without disturbing current conventions/knowledge is something that 
already takes a long time and energy: I know it because I put a lot of energy 
on it for a few monthes now!

We started a discussion on this source format topic during april, and AFAIK 
nobody worked on it.

What I'd like now is to switch: we can discuss later on what we want to change 
(and communication to every comittees this requires).
With the new site, we'll be able to change formats if we want, the only 
requirement is to have json files for the visualization

Regards,

Hervé

> 
> rgds
> jan i.
> 
> > With regards,
> > Daniel.
> > 
> >> but definitely, the site is ready for the switch
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> 
> >> Hervé
> >> 
> >> Le vendredi 19 juin 2015 20:55:52 Sally Khudairi a écrit :
> >>> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you
> >>> well.
> >>> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
> >>> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
> >>> Thanks so much,
> >>> Sally
> >>> 
> >>>  - Forwarded Message -
> >>>
> >>>From: David Nalley 
> >>>   
> >>>   To: Sally Khudairi 
> >>> 
> >>> Cc: Daniel Gruno ; ASF Infrastructure
> >>>  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:50 AM
> >>> 
> >>>   Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> >>> 
> >>> Hi Sally:
> >>> 
> >>> projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an
> >>> infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a discussion
> >>> or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o
> >>> 
> >>> --David
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi
> >>> 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>> Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> I was wondering if the new Projects page at
> >>>> 
> >>>> https://projects-new.apache.org/
> >>>> 
> >>>> was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.
> >>>> 
> >>>> There's so much great information there and it's an incredible resource
> >>>> (I
> >>>> use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it for the
> >>>> Annual Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in stealth
> >>>> mode, I'd like to shout out about it from the rooftops.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any
> >>>> disclaimers/caveats we should be aware of.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Warm thanks,
> >>>> Sally
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> = = = = =
> >>>> vox +1 617 921 8656
> >>>> off2 +1 646 583 3362
> >>>> skype sallykhudairi

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[jan i]

On 21 June 2015 at 15:48, Daniel Gruno  wrote:

>
>
> On 2015-06-21 02:45, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
>
>> for me, the new site is ready: there is of course room for improvements,
>> but
>> it is stable and maintainable, waiting for contributions
>>
>> notice: I changed the wording to stop using "TLP", but use "Committee"
>> instead, since TLP cause issues when trying to describe each projects (the
>> software) as TLP or sub-projects
>>
>>
>> when doing the switch, we'll need to rename current site as projects-
>> old.apache.org: there is some content to migrate (DOAP, documentation)
>> associated to communication with projects on the changes that has to be
>> decoupled from public vizualisation. I'll continue working on it.
>>
>> There one choice to do: continue serving the pages from current VM or
>> serve
>> through standard resilient httpds. The VM is useful for cron jobs, but is
>> not
>> absolutely necessary for serving content since I removed online content
>> editing that caused the VM requirement for content serving AFAIK. Using
>> standard httpd will avoid SPOF or eventual load issue.
>>
> What do you mean by 'standard httpd'? It already uses...standard httpd for
> serving the site.
> The cron jobs are needed for updating various statistics and data on the
> site, they can't just be shut off - they also power reporter.apache.org.
>
Maybe I misunderstood something, I understood that we are using httpd, but
in our own vm. In my opinion it would be nicer to use the www.a.o httpd
(sorry
vms have been changing lately so I am not sure where it runs), since that
would put httpd maintenance on infra instead of comdev.


>
> I think the site is ready for a more prominent role, but I find this
> discussion confusing, and I find it somewhat sad that we're gonna stick
> with something as arcane as DOAP.
>
+100 !!

DOAP == Dead On Arrival Permanently :-) JSON == Jump Simply On New
(but I know I am only 1 voice).

rgds
jan i.


>
> With regards,
> Daniel.
>
>
>>
>> but definitely, the site is ready for the switch
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Hervé
>>
>> Le vendredi 19 juin 2015 20:55:52 Sally Khudairi a écrit :
>>
>>> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you
>>> well.
>>> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
>>> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
>>> Thanks so much,
>>> Sally
>>>
>>>  - Forwarded Message -
>>>From: David Nalley 
>>>   To: Sally Khudairi 
>>> Cc: Daniel Gruno ; ASF Infrastructure
>>>  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:50 AM
>>>   Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
>>>
>>> Hi Sally:
>>>
>>> projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an
>>> infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a discussion
>>> or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o
>>>
>>> --David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi
>>>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was wondering if the new Projects page at
>>>>
>>>> https://projects-new.apache.org/
>>>>
>>>> was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.
>>>>
>>>> There's so much great information there and it's an incredible resource
>>>> (I
>>>> use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it for the
>>>> Annual Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in stealth
>>>> mode, I'd like to shout out about it from the rooftops.
>>>>
>>>> Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any
>>>> disclaimers/caveats we should be aware of.
>>>>
>>>> Warm thanks,
>>>> Sally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> = = = = =
>>>> vox +1 617 921 8656
>>>> off2 +1 646 583 3362
>>>> skype sallykhudairi
>>>>
>>>
>

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Daniel Gruno]

On 2015-06-21 02:45, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:

for me, the new site is ready: there is of course room for improvements, but
it is stable and maintainable, waiting for contributions

notice: I changed the wording to stop using "TLP", but use "Committee"
instead, since TLP cause issues when trying to describe each projects (the
software) as TLP or sub-projects


when doing the switch, we'll need to rename current site as projects-
old.apache.org: there is some content to migrate (DOAP, documentation)
associated to communication with projects on the changes that has to be
decoupled from public vizualisation. I'll continue working on it.

There one choice to do: continue serving the pages from current VM or serve
through standard resilient httpds. The VM is useful for cron jobs, but is not
absolutely necessary for serving content since I removed online content
editing that caused the VM requirement for content serving AFAIK. Using
standard httpd will avoid SPOF or eventual load issue.
What do you mean by 'standard httpd'? It already uses...standard httpd 
for serving the site.
The cron jobs are needed for updating various statistics and data on the 
site, they can't just be shut off - they also power reporter.apache.org.


I think the site is ready for a more prominent role, but I find this 
discussion confusing, and I find it somewhat sad that we're gonna stick 
with something as arcane as DOAP.


With regards,
Daniel.



but definitely, the site is ready for the switch

Regards,

Hervé

Le vendredi 19 juin 2015 20:55:52 Sally Khudairi a écrit :

Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you well.
Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
Thanks so much,
Sally

 - Forwarded Message -
   From: David Nalley 
  To: Sally Khudairi 
Cc: Daniel Gruno ; ASF Infrastructure
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:50 AM
  Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

Hi Sally:

projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an
infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a discussion
or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o

--David



On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi

 wrote:

Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.


I was wondering if the new Projects page at

https://projects-new.apache.org/

was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.

There's so much great information there and it's an incredible resource (I
use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it for the
Annual Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in stealth
mode, I'd like to shout out about it from the rooftops.

Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any
disclaimers/caveats we should be aware of.

Warm thanks,
Sally


= = = = =
vox +1 617 921 8656
off2 +1 646 583 3362
skype sallykhudairi

Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[jan i]

On Sunday, June 21, 2015, Hervé BOUTEMY  wrote:

> for me, the new site is ready: there is of course room for improvements,
> but
> it is stable and maintainable, waiting for contributions
>
> notice: I changed the wording to stop using "TLP", but use "Committee"
> instead, since TLP cause issues when trying to describe each projects (the
> software) as TLP or sub-projects
>
>
> when doing the switch, we'll need to rename current site as projects-
> old.apache.org: there is some content to migrate (DOAP, documentation)
> associated to communication with projects on the changes that has to be
> decoupled from public vizualisation. I'll continue working on it.
>
> There one choice to do: continue serving the pages from current VM or serve
> through standard resilient httpds. The VM is useful for cron jobs, but is
> not
> absolutely necessary for serving content since I removed online content
> editing that caused the VM requirement for content serving AFAIK. Using
> standard httpd will avoid SPOF or eventual load issue.

+1 to move to standard httpd instead of the vm.

rgds
jan i

>
>
> but definitely, the site is ready for the switch
>
> Regards,
>
> Hervé
>
> Le vendredi 19 juin 2015 20:55:52 Sally Khudairi a écrit :
> > Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you
> well.
> > Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
> > Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
> > Thanks so much,
> > Sally
> >
> > - Forwarded Message -
> >   From: David Nalley >
> >  To: Sally Khudairi >
> > Cc: Daniel Gruno >; ASF
> Infrastructure
> > > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015
> 11:50 AM
> >  Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> >
> > Hi Sally:
> >
> > projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an
> > infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a discussion
> > or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.
> > >
> > >
> > > I was wondering if the new Projects page at
> > >
> > > https://projects-new.apache.org/
> > >
> > > was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.
> > >
> > > There's so much great information there and it's an incredible
> resource (I
> > > use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it for the
> > > Annual Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in stealth
> > > mode, I'd like to shout out about it from the rooftops.
> > >
> > > Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any
> > > disclaimers/caveats we should be aware of.
> > >
> > > Warm thanks,
> > > Sally
> > >
> > >
> > > = = = = =
> > > vox +1 617 921 8656
> > > off2 +1 646 583 3362
> > > skype sallykhudairi
>
>

-- 
Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

for me, the new site is ready: there is of course room for improvements, but 
it is stable and maintainable, waiting for contributions

notice: I changed the wording to stop using "TLP", but use "Committee" 
instead, since TLP cause issues when trying to describe each projects (the 
software) as TLP or sub-projects


when doing the switch, we'll need to rename current site as projects-
old.apache.org: there is some content to migrate (DOAP, documentation) 
associated to communication with projects on the changes that has to be 
decoupled from public vizualisation. I'll continue working on it.

There one choice to do: continue serving the pages from current VM or serve 
through standard resilient httpds. The VM is useful for cron jobs, but is not 
absolutely necessary for serving content since I removed online content 
editing that caused the VM requirement for content serving AFAIK. Using 
standard httpd will avoid SPOF or eventual load issue.


but definitely, the site is ready for the switch

Regards,

Hervé

Le vendredi 19 juin 2015 20:55:52 Sally Khudairi a écrit :
> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you well.
> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
> Thanks so much,
> Sally
> 
> - Forwarded Message -
>   From: David Nalley 
>  To: Sally Khudairi 
> Cc: Daniel Gruno ; ASF Infrastructure
>  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:50 AM
>  Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> 
> Hi Sally:
> 
> projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an
> infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a discussion
> or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o
> 
> --David
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi
> 
>  wrote:
> > Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.
> > 
> > 
> > I was wondering if the new Projects page at
> > 
> > https://projects-new.apache.org/
> > 
> > was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.
> > 
> > There's so much great information there and it's an incredible resource (I
> > use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it for the
> > Annual Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in stealth
> > mode, I'd like to shout out about it from the rooftops.
> > 
> > Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any
> > disclaimers/caveats we should be aware of.
> > 
> > Warm thanks,
> > Sally
> > 
> > 
> > = = = = =
> > vox +1 617 921 8656
> > off2 +1 646 583 3362
> > skype sallykhudairi

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[zinhtut aung]

sallykhuda...@yahoo.com
On Jun 20, 2015 8:23 AM, "Sally Khudairi" 
wrote:
>
> Fab! Thanks so much, Roman.
>
> Bon weekend,
> Sally
>
>
> [From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and
brevity]
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Roman Shaposhnik" 
> To: "ComDev" 
> Cc: "Sally Khudairi" , "Ulrich Stärk" 
> Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> Date: Fri, Jun 19, 2015 19:47
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 2:42 PM, jan i  wrote:
> > On 19 June 2015 at 22:55, Sally Khudairi  wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you
well.
> >> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
> >> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
> >>
> >
> > I have followed it for a while now, and seen from my pow, we should
change
> > that to be
> > the live site now, but that is of course just my opinion.
>
> FWIW: you've got my +1

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[zinhtut aung]

sallykhuda...@yahoo.com
On Jun 20, 2015 8:23 AM, "Sally Khudairi" 
wrote:

> Fab! Thanks so much, Roman.
>
> Bon weekend,
> Sally
>
>
> [From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and
> brevity]
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Roman Shaposhnik" 
> To: "ComDev" 
> Cc: "Sally Khudairi" , "Ulrich Stärk" 
> Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> Date: Fri, Jun 19, 2015 19:47
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 2:42 PM, jan i  wrote:
> > On 19 June 2015 at 22:55, Sally Khudairi  wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you
> well.
> >> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
> >> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
> >>
> >
> > I have followed it for a while now, and seen from my pow, we should
> change
> > that to be
> > the live site now, but that is of course just my opinion.
>
> FWIW: you've got my +1

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Sally Khudairi]

Aha!

OK --that's exactly it. I didn't realize that it was going to replace the old 
link.

So yes, you are correct, Jan, we don't want to do that.

As such, I'll be standing by to hear when you (collectively) are ready.

Thanks again,
Sally


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- Reply message -
From: "jan i" 
To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
Cc: "David Crossley" , "Sally Khudairi" 
Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 06:39

On 20 June 2015 at 12:34, Sally Khudairi  
wrote:
Thanks, David!



I noticed that Roman tweeted the link yesterday, so I guess the cat is out of 
the bag, as the saying goes.



As such, barring any objections, I'll start spreading the word.
Do we really want to do marketing on the temporary URL ?

In my opinion, we should do some renaming so the current one is called -old and 
the new one replaces the current one.

rgds
jan i. 



Are there plans in place to link this from the apache.org homepage?



Thanks again,

Sally





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- Reply message -

From: "David Crossley" 

To: , "Sally Khudairi" 

Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 03:03



Previous discussion here was about how to maintain the

actual project data.

Also various items listed here:

https://projects-new.apache.org/about.html



~David



On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 08:55:52PM +, Sally Khudairi wrote:

> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you well.

> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.

> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?

> Thanks so much,

> Sally

>

>     - Forwarded Message -

>   From: David Nalley 

>  To: Sally Khudairi 

> Cc: Daniel Gruno ; ASF Infrastructure 
> 

>  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:50 AM

>  Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

>

> Hi Sally:

>

> projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an

> infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a discussion

> or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o

>

> --David

>

>

>

> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi

>  wrote:

> > Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.

> >

> >

> > I was wondering if the new Projects page at

> >

> > https://projects-new.apache.org/

> >

> > was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.

> >

> > There's so much great information there and it's an incredible resource (I 
> > use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it for the Annual 
> > Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in stealth mode, I'd 
> > like to shout out about it from the rooftops.

> >

> > Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any 
> > disclaimers/caveats we should be aware of.

> >

> > Warm thanks,

> > Sally

> >

> >

> > = = = = =

> > vox +1 617 921 8656

> > off2 +1 646 583 3362

> > skype sallykhudairi

>

>

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[jan i]

On 20 June 2015 at 12:34, Sally Khudairi 
wrote:

> Thanks, David!
>
> I noticed that Roman tweeted the link yesterday, so I guess the cat is out
> of the bag, as the saying goes.
>
> As such, barring any objections, I'll start spreading the word.
>
Do we really want to do marketing on the temporary URL ?

In my opinion, we should do some renaming so the current one is called -old
and the new one replaces the current one.

rgds
jan i.

>
> Are there plans in place to link this from the apache.org homepage?
>
> Thanks again,
> Sally
>
>
> [From the mobile; please excuse top-posting, spelling/spacing errors, and
> brevity]
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "David Crossley" 
> To: , "Sally Khudairi" 
> Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 03:03
>
> Previous discussion here was about how to maintain the
> actual project data.
> Also various items listed here:
> https://projects-new.apache.org/about.html
>
> ~David
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 08:55:52PM +, Sally Khudairi wrote:
> > Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you
> well.
> > Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
> > Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
> > Thanks so much,
> > Sally
> >
> > - Forwarded Message -
> >   From: David Nalley 
> >  To: Sally Khudairi 
> > Cc: Daniel Gruno ; ASF Infrastructure <
> infrastruct...@apache.org>
> >  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:50 AM
> >  Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
> >
> > Hi Sally:
> >
> > projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an
> > infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a discussion
> > or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi
> >  wrote:
> > > Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.
> > >
> > >
> > > I was wondering if the new Projects page at
> > >
> > > https://projects-new.apache.org/
> > >
> > > was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.
> > >
> > > There's so much great information there and it's an incredible
> resource (I use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it
> for the Annual Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in
> stealth mode, I'd like to shout out about it from the rooftops.
> > >
> > > Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any
> disclaimers/caveats we should be aware of.
> > >
> > > Warm thanks,
> > > Sally
> > >
> > >
> > > = = = = =
> > > vox +1 617 921 8656
> > > off2 +1 646 583 3362
> > > skype sallykhudairi
> >
> >
>

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Sally Khudairi]

Thanks, David!

I noticed that Roman tweeted the link yesterday, so I guess the cat is out of 
the bag, as the saying goes.

As such, barring any objections, I'll start spreading the word.

Are there plans in place to link this from the apache.org homepage?

Thanks again,
Sally


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- Reply message -
From: "David Crossley" 
To: , "Sally Khudairi" 
Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
Date: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 03:03

Previous discussion here was about how to maintain the
actual project data.
Also various items listed here:
https://projects-new.apache.org/about.html

~David

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 08:55:52PM +, Sally Khudairi wrote:
> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you well.
> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
> Thanks so much,
> Sally
> 
> - Forwarded Message -
>   From: David Nalley 
>  To: Sally Khudairi  
> Cc: Daniel Gruno ; ASF Infrastructure 
>  
>  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:50 AM
>  Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
>
> Hi Sally:
> 
> projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an
> infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a discussion
> or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o
> 
> --David
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi
>  wrote:
> > Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.
> >
> >
> > I was wondering if the new Projects page at
> >
> > https://projects-new.apache.org/
> >
> > was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.
> >
> > There's so much great information there and it's an incredible resource (I 
> > use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it for the Annual 
> > Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in stealth mode, I'd 
> > like to shout out about it from the rooftops.
> >
> > Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any 
> > disclaimers/caveats we should be aware of.
> >
> > Warm thanks,
> > Sally
> >
> >
> > = = = = =
> > vox +1 617 921 8656
> > off2 +1 646 583 3362
> > skype sallykhudairi
> 
>

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[David Crossley]

Previous discussion here was about how to maintain the
actual project data.
Also various items listed here:
https://projects-new.apache.org/about.html

~David

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 08:55:52PM +, Sally Khudairi wrote:
> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you well.
> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
> Thanks so much,
> Sally
> 
> - Forwarded Message -
>   From: David Nalley 
>  To: Sally Khudairi  
> Cc: Daniel Gruno ; ASF Infrastructure 
>  
>  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:50 AM
>  Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
>
> Hi Sally:
> 
> projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an
> infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a discussion
> or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o
> 
> --David
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi
>  wrote:
> > Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.
> >
> >
> > I was wondering if the new Projects page at
> >
> > https://projects-new.apache.org/
> >
> > was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.
> >
> > There's so much great information there and it's an incredible resource (I 
> > use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it for the Annual 
> > Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in stealth mode, I'd 
> > like to shout out about it from the rooftops.
> >
> > Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any 
> > disclaimers/caveats we should be aware of.
> >
> > Warm thanks,
> > Sally
> >
> >
> > = = = = =
> > vox +1 617 921 8656
> > off2 +1 646 583 3362
> > skype sallykhudairi
> 
>

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Sally Khudairi]

Fab! Thanks so much, Roman.

Bon weekend,
Sally


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- Reply message -
From: "Roman Shaposhnik" 
To: "ComDev" 
Cc: "Sally Khudairi" , "Ulrich Stärk" 
Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
Date: Fri, Jun 19, 2015 19:47

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 2:42 PM, jan i  wrote:
> On 19 June 2015 at 22:55, Sally Khudairi  wrote:
>
>> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you well.
>> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
>> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
>>
>
> I have followed it for a while now, and seen from my pow, we should change
> that to be
> the live site now, but that is of course just my opinion.

FWIW: you've got my +1

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Roman Shaposhnik]

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 2:42 PM, jan i  wrote:
> On 19 June 2015 at 22:55, Sally Khudairi  wrote:
>
>> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you well.
>> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
>> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
>>
>
> I have followed it for a while now, and seen from my pow, we should change
> that to be
> the live site now, but that is of course just my opinion.

FWIW: you've got my +1

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Sally Khudairi]

Excellent. Thanks, Jan.

I think the site is great and look forward to our community at-large enjoying 
it as well!

Bon weekend,
Sally


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- Reply message -
From: "jan i" 
To: "dev@community.apache.org" , "Sally Khudairi" 

Cc: "Ulrich Stärk" 
Subject: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
Date: Fri, Jun 19, 2015 17:42

On 19 June 2015 at 22:55, Sally Khudairi  wrote:
Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you well.

Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.

Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?

I have followed it for a while now, and seen from my pow, we should change that 
to be 
the live site now, but that is of course just my opinion.

rgds
jan I.
 

Thanks so much,

Sally



    - Forwarded Message -

  From: David Nalley 

 To: Sally Khudairi 

Cc: Daniel Gruno ; ASF Infrastructure 


 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:50 AM

 Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?



Hi Sally:



projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an

infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a discussion

or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o



--David







On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi

 wrote:

> Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.

>

>

> I was wondering if the new Projects page at

>

> https://projects-new.apache.org/

>

> was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.

>

> There's so much great information there and it's an incredible resource (I 
> use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it for the Annual 
> Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in stealth mode, I'd 
> like to shout out about it from the rooftops.

>

> Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any disclaimers/caveats 
> we should be aware of.

>

> Warm thanks,

> Sally

>

>

> = = = = =

> vox +1 617 921 8656

> off2 +1 646 583 3362

> skype sallykhudairi



   

Re: Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[jan i]

On 19 June 2015 at 22:55, Sally Khudairi  wrote:

> Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you well.
> Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
> Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
>

I have followed it for a while now, and seen from my pow, we should change
that to be
the live site now, but that is of course just my opinion.

rgds
jan I.


> Thanks so much,
> Sally
>
> - Forwarded Message -
>   From: David Nalley 
>  To: Sally Khudairi 
> Cc: Daniel Gruno ; ASF Infrastructure <
> infrastruct...@apache.org>
>  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:50 AM
>  Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
>
> Hi Sally:
>
> projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an
> infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a discussion
> or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o
>
> --David
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi
>  wrote:
> > Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.
> >
> >
> > I was wondering if the new Projects page at
> >
> > https://projects-new.apache.org/
> >
> > was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.
> >
> > There's so much great information there and it's an incredible resource
> (I use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it for the
> Annual Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in stealth
> mode, I'd like to shout out about it from the rooftops.
> >
> > Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any
> disclaimers/caveats we should be aware of.
> >
> > Warm thanks,
> > Sally
> >
> >
> > = = = = =
> > vox +1 617 921 8656
> > off2 +1 646 583 3362
> > skype sallykhudairi
>
>
>

Fw: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?

[Sally Khudairi]

Hello Uli and the Apache ComDev team --I hope this message finds you well.
Per below, I'm interested in promoting the new Projects page.
Can you please let me know if/when we're ready to do so?
Thanks so much,
Sally

- Forwarded Message -
  From: David Nalley 
 To: Sally Khudairi  
Cc: Daniel Gruno ; ASF Infrastructure 
 
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:50 AM
 Subject: Re: Is https://projects-new.apache.org/ ready for prime time?
   
Hi Sally:

projects-new.apache.org is a ComDev managed resource, not an
infrastructure managed resource. I think the PMC has had a discussion
or two about when to migrate projects-new to projects.a.o

--David



On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sally Khudairi
 wrote:
> Hello Daniel and David --I hope you are both well.
>
>
> I was wondering if the new Projects page at
>
> https://projects-new.apache.org/
>
> was ready to be publicly deployed/announced/promoted.
>
> There's so much great information there and it's an incredible resource (I 
> use it every week for the News Round-ups and we relied on it for the Annual 
> Report), if there's no reason why it should still be in stealth mode, I'd 
> like to shout out about it from the rooftops.
>
> Just let me know if we're good to go and if there are any disclaimers/caveats 
> we should be aware of.
>
> Warm thanks,
> Sally
>
>
> = = = = =
> vox +1 617 921 8656
> off2 +1 646 583 3362
> skype sallykhudairi

   

Re: projects-new.apache.org

[Stephen Connolly]

I have found that chrome is not so good at expiring the cache on https pages

On 13 April 2015 at 23:59, David Crossley  wrote:

> Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> > ok, I added forrest to projects.json and it is now visible in projects
> list
> > https://projects-new.apache.org/projects.html
>
> Beaut, thanks.
>
> > notice there may be issues with browser cache: json content doesn't seem
> to be
> > refreshed when reloading page, I had to directly browse the json file and
> > reload it
> > in the future, we may eed to do something to improve such refresh for
> end-
> > users who won't be able to do such tricks
>
> I reloaded that page just before you sent this message, and it
> was okay without such a trick.
>
> -David
>
> > Regards,
> >
> > Hervé
> >
> > Le lundi 13 avril 2015 08:09:40 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> > > great: I generated the json file [1]
> > >
> > > now you are live!
> > > https://projects-new.apache.org/project.html?forrest
> > >
> > > you still don't appear in the projects list: I need to investigate,
> will do
> > > tonight (Paris time).
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Hervé
> > >
> > > [1] https://projects-new.apache.org/json/projects/forrest.json
>

Re: disabling edit feature in https://projects-new.apache.org/

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

while working on missing Forrest info, I'm now completely convinced we should 
not edit json but completely generate them from existing DOAP and project.a.o 
contents

then I'll immediately disable the edit feature: this can easily be reverted 
later

And I'll add a link to existing information on how to add a new TLP

Regards,

Hervé

Le dimanche 12 avril 2015 18:39:57 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> I'm working on https://projects-new.apache.org/ , trying to figure out the
> whole information flow for informations about our projects: I like this new
> site, but IMHO we can't switch until we're clear on that.
> 
> 
> And it seems the edit feature currently cause inconsistencies since it edits
> site's svn simplified json content, instead of DOAP which is AFAIK the
> current project description standard [1]
> 
> 
> There are only few projects that used the feature, then it's not too late to
> fix the issue before it gets worse and people are lost.
> 
> 
> IMHO, adding a link to this DOAP page in projects-new's about page would do
> the job = explain people how to add their project (perhaps some additionnal
> instructions are required, I'm not sure)
> 
> WDYT?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Hervé
> 
> [1] http://projects.apache.org/doap.html

Re: projects-new.apache.org

[David Crossley]

Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> ok, I added forrest to projects.json and it is now visible in projects list
> https://projects-new.apache.org/projects.html

Beaut, thanks.

> notice there may be issues with browser cache: json content doesn't seem to 
> be 
> refreshed when reloading page, I had to directly browse the json file and 
> reload it
> in the future, we may eed to do something to improve such refresh for end-
> users who won't be able to do such tricks

I reloaded that page just before you sent this message, and it
was okay without such a trick.

-David

> Regards,
> 
> Hervé
> 
> Le lundi 13 avril 2015 08:09:40 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> > great: I generated the json file [1]
> > 
> > now you are live!
> > https://projects-new.apache.org/project.html?forrest
> > 
> > you still don't appear in the projects list: I need to investigate, will do
> > tonight (Paris time).
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Hervé
> > 
> > [1] https://projects-new.apache.org/json/projects/forrest.json

Re: projects-new.apache.org

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

ok, I added forrest to projects.json and it is now visible in projects list
https://projects-new.apache.org/projects.html

notice there may be issues with browser cache: json content doesn't seem to be 
refreshed when reloading page, I had to directly browse the json file and 
reload it
in the future, we may eed to do something to improve such refresh for end-
users who won't be able to do such tricks

Regards,

Hervé

Le lundi 13 avril 2015 08:09:40 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> great: I generated the json file [1]
> 
> now you are live!
> https://projects-new.apache.org/project.html?forrest
> 
> you still don't appear in the projects list: I need to investigate, will do
> tonight (Paris time).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Hervé
> 
> [1] https://projects-new.apache.org/json/projects/forrest.json
> 
> Le lundi 13 avril 2015 14:41:07 David Crossley a écrit :
> > Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> > > I had a look at Forrest doap file[1]: it's not a doap file, it's a feed
> > > containing a doap entry
> > > 
> > > you should IMHO simplify it to match a simple doap file, like [2], for
> > > example
> > 
> > Ah, many thanks. I have now published that, and also updated the
> > reference in files.xml at the old projects.apache.org
> > http://svn.apache.org/r1673100
> > 
> > -David
> > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > Hervé
> > > 
> > > [1] http://forrest.apache.org/doap.xml
> > > 
> > > [2]
> > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/site/trunk/doap_Geronimo.rdf
> > > 
> > > Le lundi 13 avril 2015 04:58:05 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> > > > if you run parserdf.py, you'll see that forrest is one of the few rdf
> > > > that
> > > > makes the script choke:
> > > > 
> > > > Error when reading None's doap file
> > > > http://forrest.apache.org/doap.xml:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Traceback (most recent call last):
> > > >   File "rdfparse.py", line 59, in 
> > > >   
> > > > if pjson['homepage']:
> > > > KeyError: 'homepage'
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I still didn't have time to investigate this one, and report (did it
> > > > for
> > > > lucy and uima: opened Jira issues on each project)
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > 
> > > > Hervé
> > > > 
> > > > Le lundi 13 avril 2015 12:32:49 David Crossley a écrit :
> > > > > Apache Forrest is also missing from projects-new.a.o
> > > > > but was one of the early adopters at projects.a.o
> > > > > 
> > > > > I cannot determine why. Would someone else please try.
> > > > > 
> > > > > -David
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 07:27:18PM +0200, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> > > > > > I finally found time to investigate:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > this is because ofbiz is not in pmcs reference list [1] used by
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > site
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > create pmcs.json [2]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > it seems one step was missed during OFBiz TLP creation [3]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > As PMC Chair and/or member, you should be able to fix it [4]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Once done, just tell and I'll regenerate the pmcs.json file
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hervé
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/p
> > > > > > ro
> > > > > > ject
> > > > > > s
> > > > > > /data_files/
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [2] https://projects-new.apache.org/json/foundation/pmcs.json
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [3]
> > > > > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/p
> > > > > > ro
> > > > > > ject
> > > > > > s
> > > > > > /data_files/aareadme.txt
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [4] http://projects.apache.org/create.html#submit
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Le lundi 30 mars 2015 08:54:46 Pierre Smits a écrit :
> > > > > > > Hi. I don't see Apache OFBiz when looking at the 'Projects by
> > > > > > > PMC'
> > > > > > > overview.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Pierre Smits

Re: projects-new.apache.org

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

great: I generated the json file [1]

now you are live!
https://projects-new.apache.org/project.html?forrest

you still don't appear in the projects list: I need to investigate, will do 
tonight (Paris time).

Regards,

Hervé

[1] https://projects-new.apache.org/json/projects/forrest.json

Le lundi 13 avril 2015 14:41:07 David Crossley a écrit :
> Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> > I had a look at Forrest doap file[1]: it's not a doap file, it's a feed
> > containing a doap entry
> > 
> > you should IMHO simplify it to match a simple doap file, like [2], for
> > example
> Ah, many thanks. I have now published that, and also updated the
> reference in files.xml at the old projects.apache.org
> http://svn.apache.org/r1673100
> 
> -David
> 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Hervé
> > 
> > [1] http://forrest.apache.org/doap.xml
> > 
> > [2] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/site/trunk/doap_Geronimo.rdf
> > 
> > Le lundi 13 avril 2015 04:58:05 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> > > if you run parserdf.py, you'll see that forrest is one of the few rdf
> > > that
> > > makes the script choke:
> > > 
> > > Error when reading None's doap file http://forrest.apache.org/doap.xml:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Traceback (most recent call last):
> > >   File "rdfparse.py", line 59, in 
> > >   
> > > if pjson['homepage']:
> > > KeyError: 'homepage'
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I still didn't have time to investigate this one, and report (did it for
> > > lucy and uima: opened Jira issues on each project)
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > Hervé
> > > 
> > > Le lundi 13 avril 2015 12:32:49 David Crossley a écrit :
> > > > Apache Forrest is also missing from projects-new.a.o
> > > > but was one of the early adopters at projects.a.o
> > > > 
> > > > I cannot determine why. Would someone else please try.
> > > > 
> > > > -David
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 07:27:18PM +0200, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> > > > > I finally found time to investigate:
> > > > > 
> > > > > this is because ofbiz is not in pmcs reference list [1] used by the
> > > > > site
> > > > > to
> > > > > create pmcs.json [2]
> > > > > 
> > > > > it seems one step was missed during OFBiz TLP creation [3]
> > > > > 
> > > > > As PMC Chair and/or member, you should be able to fix it [4]
> > > > > 
> > > > > Once done, just tell and I'll regenerate the pmcs.json file
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hervé
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > [1]
> > > > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/pro
> > > > > ject
> > > > > s
> > > > > /data_files/
> > > > > 
> > > > > [2] https://projects-new.apache.org/json/foundation/pmcs.json
> > > > > 
> > > > > [3]
> > > > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/pro
> > > > > ject
> > > > > s
> > > > > /data_files/aareadme.txt
> > > > > 
> > > > > [4] http://projects.apache.org/create.html#submit
> > > > > 
> > > > > Le lundi 30 mars 2015 08:54:46 Pierre Smits a écrit :
> > > > > > Hi. I don't see Apache OFBiz when looking at the 'Projects by PMC'
> > > > > > overview.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Pierre Smits

Re: projects-new.apache.org

[David Crossley]

Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> I had a look at Forrest doap file[1]: it's not a doap file, it's a feed 
> containing a doap entry
> 
> you should IMHO simplify it to match a simple doap file, like [2], for example

Ah, many thanks. I have now published that, and also updated the
reference in files.xml at the old projects.apache.org
http://svn.apache.org/r1673100

-David

> Regards,
> 
> Hervé
> 
> [1] http://forrest.apache.org/doap.xml
> 
> [2] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/site/trunk/doap_Geronimo.rdf
> 
> Le lundi 13 avril 2015 04:58:05 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> > if you run parserdf.py, you'll see that forrest is one of the few rdf that
> > makes the script choke:
> > 
> > Error when reading None's doap file http://forrest.apache.org/doap.xml:
> > 
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "rdfparse.py", line 59, in 
> > if pjson['homepage']:
> > KeyError: 'homepage'
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I still didn't have time to investigate this one, and report (did it for
> > lucy and uima: opened Jira issues on each project)
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Hervé
> > 
> > Le lundi 13 avril 2015 12:32:49 David Crossley a écrit :
> > > Apache Forrest is also missing from projects-new.a.o
> > > but was one of the early adopters at projects.a.o
> > > 
> > > I cannot determine why. Would someone else please try.
> > > 
> > > -David
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 07:27:18PM +0200, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> > > > I finally found time to investigate:
> > > > 
> > > > this is because ofbiz is not in pmcs reference list [1] used by the site
> > > > to
> > > > create pmcs.json [2]
> > > > 
> > > > it seems one step was missed during OFBiz TLP creation [3]
> > > > 
> > > > As PMC Chair and/or member, you should be able to fix it [4]
> > > > 
> > > > Once done, just tell and I'll regenerate the pmcs.json file
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > 
> > > > Hervé
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > [1]
> > > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/project
> > > > s
> > > > /data_files/
> > > > 
> > > > [2] https://projects-new.apache.org/json/foundation/pmcs.json
> > > > 
> > > > [3]
> > > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/project
> > > > s
> > > > /data_files/aareadme.txt
> > > > 
> > > > [4] http://projects.apache.org/create.html#submit
> > > > 
> > > > Le lundi 30 mars 2015 08:54:46 Pierre Smits a écrit :
> > > > > Hi. I don't see Apache OFBiz when looking at the 'Projects by PMC'
> > > > > overview.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Pierre Smits
> 

Re: projects-new.apache.org

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

I had a look at Forrest doap file[1]: it's not a doap file, it's a feed 
containing a doap entry

you should IMHO simplify it to match a simple doap file, like [2], for example

Regards,

Hervé

[1] http://forrest.apache.org/doap.xml

[2] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/site/trunk/doap_Geronimo.rdf

Le lundi 13 avril 2015 04:58:05 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> if you run parserdf.py, you'll see that forrest is one of the few rdf that
> makes the script choke:
> 
> Error when reading None's doap file http://forrest.apache.org/doap.xml:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "rdfparse.py", line 59, in 
> if pjson['homepage']:
> KeyError: 'homepage'
> 
> 
> 
> I still didn't have time to investigate this one, and report (did it for
> lucy and uima: opened Jira issues on each project)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Hervé
> 
> Le lundi 13 avril 2015 12:32:49 David Crossley a écrit :
> > Apache Forrest is also missing from projects-new.a.o
> > but was one of the early adopters at projects.a.o
> > 
> > I cannot determine why. Would someone else please try.
> > 
> > -David
> > 
> > On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 07:27:18PM +0200, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> > > I finally found time to investigate:
> > > 
> > > this is because ofbiz is not in pmcs reference list [1] used by the site
> > > to
> > > create pmcs.json [2]
> > > 
> > > it seems one step was missed during OFBiz TLP creation [3]
> > > 
> > > As PMC Chair and/or member, you should be able to fix it [4]
> > > 
> > > Once done, just tell and I'll regenerate the pmcs.json file
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > Hervé
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [1]
> > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/project
> > > s
> > > /data_files/
> > > 
> > > [2] https://projects-new.apache.org/json/foundation/pmcs.json
> > > 
> > > [3]
> > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/project
> > > s
> > > /data_files/aareadme.txt
> > > 
> > > [4] http://projects.apache.org/create.html#submit
> > > 
> > > Le lundi 30 mars 2015 08:54:46 Pierre Smits a écrit :
> > > > Hi. I don't see Apache OFBiz when looking at the 'Projects by PMC'
> > > > overview.
> > > > 
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > 
> > > > Pierre Smits

Re: projects-new.apache.org

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

if you run parserdf.py, you'll see that forrest is one of the few rdf that 
makes the script choke:

Error when reading None's doap file http://forrest.apache.org/doap.xml:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "rdfparse.py", line 59, in 
if pjson['homepage']:
KeyError: 'homepage'



I still didn't have time to investigate this one, and report (did it for lucy 
and uima: opened Jira issues on each project)

Regards,

Hervé

Le lundi 13 avril 2015 12:32:49 David Crossley a écrit :
> Apache Forrest is also missing from projects-new.a.o
> but was one of the early adopters at projects.a.o
> 
> I cannot determine why. Would someone else please try.
> 
> -David
> 
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 07:27:18PM +0200, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> > I finally found time to investigate:
> > 
> > this is because ofbiz is not in pmcs reference list [1] used by the site
> > to
> > create pmcs.json [2]
> > 
> > it seems one step was missed during OFBiz TLP creation [3]
> > 
> > As PMC Chair and/or member, you should be able to fix it [4]
> > 
> > Once done, just tell and I'll regenerate the pmcs.json file
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Hervé
> > 
> > 
> > [1]
> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/projects
> > /data_files/
> > 
> > [2] https://projects-new.apache.org/json/foundation/pmcs.json
> > 
> > [3]
> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/projects
> > /data_files/aareadme.txt
> > 
> > [4] http://projects.apache.org/create.html#submit
> > 
> > Le lundi 30 mars 2015 08:54:46 Pierre Smits a écrit :
> > > Hi. I don't see Apache OFBiz when looking at the 'Projects by PMC'
> > > overview.
> > > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > 
> > > Pierre Smits

Re: projects-new.apache.org

[David Crossley]

Apache Forrest is also missing from projects-new.a.o
but was one of the early adopters at projects.a.o

I cannot determine why. Would someone else please try.

-David

On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 07:27:18PM +0200, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> I finally found time to investigate:
> 
> this is because ofbiz is not in pmcs reference list [1] used by the site to 
> create pmcs.json [2]
> 
> it seems one step was missed during OFBiz TLP creation [3]
> 
> As PMC Chair and/or member, you should be able to fix it [4]
> 
> Once done, just tell and I'll regenerate the pmcs.json file
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Hervé
> 
> 
> [1] 
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/projects/data_files/
> 
> [2] https://projects-new.apache.org/json/foundation/pmcs.json
> 
> [3] 
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/projects/data_files/aareadme.txt
> 
> [4] http://projects.apache.org/create.html#submit
> 
> Le lundi 30 mars 2015 08:54:46 Pierre Smits a écrit :
> > Hi. I don't see Apache OFBiz when looking at the 'Projects by PMC' overview.
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > 
> > Pierre Smits

Re: projects-new.apache.org

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

I finally found time to investigate:

this is because ofbiz is not in pmcs reference list [1] used by the site to 
create pmcs.json [2]

it seems one step was missed during OFBiz TLP creation [3]

As PMC Chair and/or member, you should be able to fix it [4]

Once done, just tell and I'll regenerate the pmcs.json file

Regards,

Hervé


[1] 
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/projects/data_files/

[2] https://projects-new.apache.org/json/foundation/pmcs.json

[3] 
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/site-tools/trunk/projects/data_files/aareadme.txt

[4] http://projects.apache.org/create.html#submit

Le lundi 30 mars 2015 08:54:46 Pierre Smits a écrit :
> Hi. I don't see Apache OFBiz when looking at the 'Projects by PMC' overview.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Pierre Smits
> 
> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> Services and Retail & Trade
> http://www.orrtiz.com
> 
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY 
> 
> wrote:
> > Now that every committer has commit privs, I continued my improvements
> > (about
> > Attic, whimsy, categories) and added an About page:
> > https://projects-new.apache.org/about.html
> > 
> > It is pretty basic at the moment, but tells important things to
> > contribute.
> > The format is quite simple, but since it's handwritten html...
> > 
> > Now what remains to do before we can switch projects.a.o to projects-new
> > content?
> > I made a list of "TbD" in the About page listing content that exists in
> > previous site that should be somthing like imported IMHO
> > 
> > WDYT?
> > 
> > 
> > Notice that the Comdev PMC does not have any DOAP file, then no page to
> > describe its structure. Same applies to special comittees (Infrastructure,
> > Travel Assistance, Security Team, Legal Affairs and Brand Management).
> > Don't
> > you think we should list these PMCs like any other?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Hervé

disabling edit feature in https://projects-new.apache.org/

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

Hi,

I'm working on https://projects-new.apache.org/ , trying to figure out the 
whole information flow for informations about our projects: I like this new 
site, but IMHO we can't switch until we're clear on that.


And it seems the edit feature currently cause inconsistencies since it edits 
site's svn simplified json content, instead of DOAP which is AFAIK the current 
project description standard [1]


There are only few projects that used the feature, then it's not too late to 
fix the issue before it gets worse and people are lost.


IMHO, adding a link to this DOAP page in projects-new's about page would do 
the job = explain people how to add their project (perhaps some additionnal 
instructions are required, I'm not sure)

WDYT?

Regards,

Hervé

[1] http://projects.apache.org/doap.html

Re: projects-new.apache.org

[Rich Bowen]

On 03/30/2015 02:23 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:

Notice that the Comdev PMC does not have any DOAP file, then no page to
describe its structure. Same applies to special comittees (Infrastructure,
Travel Assistance, Security Team, Legal Affairs and Brand Management). Don't
you think we should list these PMCs like any other?


Sure. Just need someone to make it happen.

--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon

Re: projects-new.apache.org

[Pierre Smits]

Hi. I don't see Apache OFBiz when looking at the 'Projects by PMC' overview.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
Services & Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail & Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY 
wrote:

> Now that every committer has commit privs, I continued my improvements
> (about
> Attic, whimsy, categories) and added an About page:
> https://projects-new.apache.org/about.html
>
> It is pretty basic at the moment, but tells important things to contribute.
> The format is quite simple, but since it's handwritten html...
>
> Now what remains to do before we can switch projects.a.o to projects-new
> content?
> I made a list of "TbD" in the About page listing content that exists in
> previous site that should be somthing like imported IMHO
>
> WDYT?
>
>
> Notice that the Comdev PMC does not have any DOAP file, then no page to
> describe its structure. Same applies to special comittees (Infrastructure,
> Travel Assistance, Security Team, Legal Affairs and Brand Management).
> Don't
> you think we should list these PMCs like any other?
>
> Regards,
>
> Hervé
>

projects-new.apache.org

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

Now that every committer has commit privs, I continued my improvements (about 
Attic, whimsy, categories) and added an About page:
https://projects-new.apache.org/about.html

It is pretty basic at the moment, but tells important things to contribute. 
The format is quite simple, but since it's handwritten html...

Now what remains to do before we can switch projects.a.o to projects-new 
content?
I made a list of "TbD" in the About page listing content that exists in 
previous site that should be somthing like imported IMHO

WDYT?


Notice that the Comdev PMC does not have any DOAP file, then no page to 
describe its structure. Same applies to special comittees (Infrastructure, 
Travel Assistance, Security Team, Legal Affairs and Brand Management). Don't 
you think we should list these PMCs like any other? 

Regards,

Hervé

Re: first little patch for projects-new.apache.org

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

Le jeudi 19 mars 2015 12:20:08 Rich Bowen a écrit :
> Thanks, Herve. I've applied all of your patches. Sorry for the long
> delay. Thanks so much for helping out.
thank you Rich
I'll wait for the permission opening to continue improvements (I already know 
a few little steps to do)

then, before switching, we'll need to discuss about:
- project's DOAP future
- previous site with site-dev@

Regards,

Hervé

> 
> On 03/08/2015 12:56 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> > avoid copy paste for TLP vs sub-project icon and put the icon on the
> > left to have full alignment

Re: first little patch for projects-new.apache.org

[Rich Bowen]

On 03/09/2015 06:46 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:

Can someone apply Hervé's patches, so it's not just me doing all the
commits on this project? :) Thanks!


Done. Sorry for the delay.



With regards,
Daniel.

On 2015-03-08 18:01, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:

IMHO, icons for incubating and Attic projects should be different than
standard
sub-project (no idea about rendering of such icons)

Regards,

Hervé

Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:56:52 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :

next: avoid copy paste for TLP vs sub-project icon and put the icon
on the
left to have full alignment

Regards,

Hervé

Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:43:49 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :

and a third one: just white background instead of black

Regards,

Hervé

Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:29:56 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :

another one, with simple instructions to make local tests

Regards,

Hervé

Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:23:36 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :

Hi,

As promise, here is a first little patch: this is simply to add a
link
to
our license, per our policy :)

Regards,

Hervé





--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon

Re: first little patch for projects-new.apache.org

[Rich Bowen]

Thanks, Herve. I've applied all of your patches. Sorry for the long 
delay. Thanks so much for helping out.


On 03/08/2015 12:56 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:

avoid copy paste for TLP vs sub-project icon and put the icon on the
left to have full alignment



--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Joseph Schaefer]

Kinda strange that none of this involves site-dev@ which was the genesis of the 
original site.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 13, 2015, at 3:44 AM, Daniel Gruno  wrote:
> 
> 
> If someone other than me could apply those patches, that'd sure be swell.
> This is (the future) projects.apache.org, not humbedooh.apache.org :(
> 
> 
> As for keeping the old site around for a while, I suppose that's an option, 
> just don't expect infra to maintain it if it keels over ;)
> With regards,
> Daniel.
> 
>> On 2015-03-13 08:40, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
>> ping?
>> 
>> Le mercredi 11 mars 2015 08:49:23 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
>>> Le mardi 10 mars 2015 13:32:26 Rich Bowen a écrit :
>>>> On 03/06/2015 11:52 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
>>>>> I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
>>>>> projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that
>>>>> projects.a.o has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites
>>>>> up. If you object to moving forward with this, please say so.
>>>>> 
>>>>> [ ] +1, do it
>>>>> [ ] +0, whatevs
>>>>> [ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)
>>>> I'm going to call this a "yes" vote overall, with a few nits
>>> +1
>>> 
>>> one more thing: when we switch projects-new to projects, it would be useful
>>> to have old projects switched to projects-old, since there are still parts
>>> that are useful or to be integrated to the new site (see Feeds, DOAP Files
>>> and Documentation sections)
>>> 
>>>> that have been addressed.
>>> -1 I sent patches but they were not applied
>>> 
>>>> Thank you all for your thoughts. Thanks, Daniel, for
>>>> your work on this. And with all the folks that have said they'll get
>>>> checkouts and hack on it, we should have much wonderment real soon.
>>> Can I get commit access (without being PMC member)?
>>> 
>>> I'd like to add an "about" folder equivalent to
>>> https://projects.apache.org/references.html, and with a reference to
>>> http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#comdev
>>> 
>>> Notice: shouldn't comdev be added to projects-new as 6th "special
>>> committee"?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Hervé
>>> 
>>>> --Rich
> 

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

Le vendredi 13 mars 2015 08:44:05 Daniel Gruno a écrit :
> 
> If someone other than me could apply those patches, that'd sure be swell.
> This is (the future) projects.apache.org, not humbedooh.apache.org :(
> 
+1
that's why I proposed to even join (and not only stay outside)

> 
> As for keeping the old site around for a while, I suppose that's an
> option, just don't expect infra to maintain it if it keels over ;)
how is it related to infra?
I supposed projects-new was like projects, ie a comdev site, with comdev 
community?
if that's not the casae, I understand now that the change from projects to 
projects-new is also a switch from infra responsibility to comdev = an 
organisational change, not only technical
Perhaps the organisational part wasn't expected.

Regards,

Hervé

> With regards,
> Daniel.
> 
> On 2015-03-13 08:40, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:
> > ping?
> > 
> > Le mercredi 11 mars 2015 08:49:23 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> >> Le mardi 10 mars 2015 13:32:26 Rich Bowen a écrit :
> >>> On 03/06/2015 11:52 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> >>>> I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
> >>>> projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that
> >>>> projects.a.o has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two
> >>>> sites
> >>>> up. If you object to moving forward with this, please say so.
> >>>> 
> >>>> [ ] +1, do it
> >>>> [ ] +0, whatevs
> >>>> [ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)
> >>> 
> >>> I'm going to call this a "yes" vote overall, with a few nits
> >> 
> >> +1
> >> 
> >> one more thing: when we switch projects-new to projects, it would be
> >> useful
> >> to have old projects switched to projects-old, since there are still
> >> parts
> >> that are useful or to be integrated to the new site (see Feeds, DOAP
> >> Files
> >> and Documentation sections)
> >> 
> >>> that have been addressed.
> >> 
> >> -1 I sent patches but they were not applied
> >> 
> >>> Thank you all for your thoughts. Thanks, Daniel, for
> >>> your work on this. And with all the folks that have said they'll get
> >>> checkouts and hack on it, we should have much wonderment real soon.
> >> 
> >> Can I get commit access (without being PMC member)?
> >> 
> >> I'd like to add an "about" folder equivalent to
> >> https://projects.apache.org/references.html, and with a reference to
> >> http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#comdev
> >> 
> >> Notice: shouldn't comdev be added to projects-new as 6th "special
> >> committee"?
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> 
> >> Hervé
> >> 
> >>> --Rich

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Daniel Gruno]

If someone other than me could apply those patches, that'd sure be swell.
This is (the future) projects.apache.org, not humbedooh.apache.org :(


As for keeping the old site around for a while, I suppose that's an 
option, just don't expect infra to maintain it if it keels over ;)

With regards,
Daniel.

On 2015-03-13 08:40, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:

ping?

Le mercredi 11 mars 2015 08:49:23 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :

Le mardi 10 mars 2015 13:32:26 Rich Bowen a écrit :

On 03/06/2015 11:52 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:

I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that
projects.a.o has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites
up. If you object to moving forward with this, please say so.

[ ] +1, do it
[ ] +0, whatevs
[ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)

I'm going to call this a "yes" vote overall, with a few nits

+1

one more thing: when we switch projects-new to projects, it would be useful
to have old projects switched to projects-old, since there are still parts
that are useful or to be integrated to the new site (see Feeds, DOAP Files
and Documentation sections)


that have been addressed.

-1 I sent patches but they were not applied


Thank you all for your thoughts. Thanks, Daniel, for
your work on this. And with all the folks that have said they'll get
checkouts and hack on it, we should have much wonderment real soon.

Can I get commit access (without being PMC member)?

I'd like to add an "about" folder equivalent to
https://projects.apache.org/references.html, and with a reference to
http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#comdev

Notice: shouldn't comdev be added to projects-new as 6th "special
committee"?

Regards,

Hervé


--Rich

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

ping?

Le mercredi 11 mars 2015 08:49:23 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> Le mardi 10 mars 2015 13:32:26 Rich Bowen a écrit :
> > On 03/06/2015 11:52 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> > > I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
> > > projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that
> > > projects.a.o has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites
> > > up. If you object to moving forward with this, please say so.
> > > 
> > > [ ] +1, do it
> > > [ ] +0, whatevs
> > > [ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)
> > 
> > I'm going to call this a "yes" vote overall, with a few nits
> 
> +1
> 
> one more thing: when we switch projects-new to projects, it would be useful
> to have old projects switched to projects-old, since there are still parts
> that are useful or to be integrated to the new site (see Feeds, DOAP Files
> and Documentation sections)
> 
> > that have been addressed.
> 
> -1 I sent patches but they were not applied
> 
> > Thank you all for your thoughts. Thanks, Daniel, for
> > your work on this. And with all the folks that have said they'll get
> > checkouts and hack on it, we should have much wonderment real soon.
> 
> Can I get commit access (without being PMC member)?
> 
> I'd like to add an "about" folder equivalent to
> https://projects.apache.org/references.html, and with a reference to
> http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#comdev
> 
> Notice: shouldn't comdev be added to projects-new as 6th "special
> committee"?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Hervé
> 
> > --Rich

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

Le mardi 10 mars 2015 13:32:26 Rich Bowen a écrit :
> On 03/06/2015 11:52 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> > I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
> > projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that
> > projects.a.o has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites
> > up. If you object to moving forward with this, please say so.
> > 
> > [ ] +1, do it
> > [ ] +0, whatevs
> > [ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)
> 
> I'm going to call this a "yes" vote overall, with a few nits
+1

one more thing: when we switch projects-new to projects, it would be useful to 
have old projects switched to projects-old, since there are still parts that 
are useful or to be integrated to the new site (see Feeds, DOAP Files and 
Documentation sections)

> that have been addressed.
-1 I sent patches but they were not applied

> Thank you all for your thoughts. Thanks, Daniel, for
> your work on this. And with all the folks that have said they'll get
> checkouts and hack on it, we should have much wonderment real soon.
Can I get commit access (without being PMC member)?

I'd like to add an "about" folder equivalent to 
https://projects.apache.org/references.html, and with a reference to 
http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#comdev

Notice: shouldn't comdev be added to projects-new as 6th "special committee"?

Regards,

Hervé

> 
> --Rich

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Rich Bowen]

On 03/06/2015 11:52 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:

I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that
projects.a.o has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites
up. If you object to moving forward with this, please say so.

[ ] +1, do it
[ ] +0, whatevs
[ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)



I'm going to call this a "yes" vote overall, with a few nits that have 
been addressed. Thank you all for your thoughts. Thanks, Daniel, for 
your work on this. And with all the folks that have said they'll get 
checkouts and hack on it, we should have much wonderment real soon.


--Rich


--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon

Re: first little patch for projects-new.apache.org

[Daniel Gruno]

Can someone apply Hervé's patches, so it's not just me doing all the 
commits on this project? :) Thanks!


With regards,
Daniel.

On 2015-03-08 18:01, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:

IMHO, icons for incubating and Attic projects should be different than standard
sub-project (no idea about rendering of such icons)

Regards,

Hervé

Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:56:52 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :

next: avoid copy paste for TLP vs sub-project icon and put the icon on the
left to have full alignment

Regards,

Hervé

Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:43:49 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :

and a third one: just white background instead of black

Regards,

Hervé

Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:29:56 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :

another one, with simple instructions to make local tests

Regards,

Hervé

Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:23:36 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :

Hi,

As promise, here is a first little patch: this is simply to add a link
to
our license, per our policy :)

Regards,

Hervé

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Daniel Gruno]

On 2015-03-08 19:33, Hitesh Shah wrote:

Thanks for the info, Daniel. Updated. In terms of keeping project info updated, 
is this info along with all the release info, etc. being pulled from the 
project DOAP files? If not, do we still need to maintain them?
No, if/when projects.apache.org gets replaced with the new system, you 
do not need to maintain doap files.
As for the data update, I did see you push the save button a few times 
there ;). Your browser probably caches the json objects for N minutes, 
which is why you did not notice that the data had indeed been updated. 
Once we move this to a faster TLS terminator, we can look at updating 
JSON objects more often within browsers.


With regards,
Daniel


Do I need to do anything additional for it to show up in the listing on 
https://projects-new.apache.org/projects.html or will something eventually kick 
in to add it to the index?
https://projects-new.apache.org/project.html?tez seems to show my updates.

thanks
— Hitesh

On Mar 7, 2015, at 2:12 AM, Daniel Gruno  wrote:


Hi Hitesh,
log onto https://projects-new.apache.org/edit/ and go to the bottom. Pick 'tez' 
as the PMC and nothing as the sub-project name, click the button and start 
typing :) That will create a tez.json file that the site will then use.

With regards,
Daniel.

On 2015-03-07 04:56, Hitesh Shah wrote:

Same question for Apache Tez. How do we need to fix the new website to show the 
Tez project?

thanks
— Hitesh

On Mar 6, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Marshall Schor  wrote:


I can see the Apache UIMA entry in the "old" page, but it's not listed on the
new page.  What needs fixing?

-Marshall Schor

On 3/6/2015 11:52 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:

I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that projects.a.o
has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites up. If you object
to moving forward with this, please say so.

[ ] +1, do it
[ ] +0, whatevs
[ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)

--Rich

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Hitesh Shah]

Thanks for the info, Daniel. Updated. In terms of keeping project info updated, 
is this info along with all the release info, etc. being pulled from the 
project DOAP files? If not, do we still need to maintain them? 

Do I need to do anything additional for it to show up in the listing on 
https://projects-new.apache.org/projects.html or will something eventually kick 
in to add it to the index?
https://projects-new.apache.org/project.html?tez seems to show my updates.

thanks
— Hitesh

On Mar 7, 2015, at 2:12 AM, Daniel Gruno  wrote:

> Hi Hitesh,
> log onto https://projects-new.apache.org/edit/ and go to the bottom. Pick 
> 'tez' as the PMC and nothing as the sub-project name, click the button and 
> start typing :) That will create a tez.json file that the site will then use.
> 
> With regards,
> Daniel.
> 
> On 2015-03-07 04:56, Hitesh Shah wrote:
>> Same question for Apache Tez. How do we need to fix the new website to show 
>> the Tez project?
>> 
>> thanks
>> — Hitesh
>> 
>> On Mar 6, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Marshall Schor  wrote:
>> 
>>> I can see the Apache UIMA entry in the "old" page, but it's not listed on 
>>> the
>>> new page.  What needs fixing?
>>> 
>>> -Marshall Schor
>>> 
>>> On 3/6/2015 11:52 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
>>>> I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
>>>> projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that projects.a.o
>>>> has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites up. If you 
>>>> object
>>>> to moving forward with this, please say so.
>>>> 
>>>> [ ] +1, do it
>>>> [ ] +0, whatevs
>>>> [ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)
>>>> 
>>>> --Rich
>>>> 
> 

Re: first little patch for projects-new.apache.org

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

IMHO, icons for incubating and Attic projects should be different than standard 
sub-project (no idea about rendering of such icons)

Regards,

Hervé

Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:56:52 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> next: avoid copy paste for TLP vs sub-project icon and put the icon on the
> left to have full alignment
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Hervé
> 
> Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:43:49 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> > and a third one: just white background instead of black
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Hervé
> > 
> > Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:29:56 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> > > another one, with simple instructions to make local tests
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > Hervé
> > > 
> > > Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:23:36 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > As promise, here is a first little patch: this is simply to add a link
> > > > to
> > > > our license, per our policy :)
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > 
> > > > Hervé

Re: first little patch for projects-new.apache.org

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

next: avoid copy paste for TLP vs sub-project icon and put the icon on the 
left to have full alignment

Regards,

Hervé

Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:43:49 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> and a third one: just white background instead of black
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Hervé
> 
> Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:29:56 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> > another one, with simple instructions to make local tests
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Hervé
> > 
> > Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:23:36 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > As promise, here is a first little patch: this is simply to add a link
> > > to
> > > our license, per our policy :)
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > Hervé
Index: js/projects.js
===
--- js/projects.js	(révision 1665047)
+++ js/projects.js	(copie de travail)
@@ -475,6 +475,14 @@
 return str.replace(/^([a-z])(.+)$/, function(c,a,b) { return a.toUpperCase() + b.toLowerCase() } );
 }
 
+function projectIcon(name) {
+if (isTLP(name)) {
+	return ""
+} else {
+	return ""
+}
+}
+
 function renderProjectsList(cat) {
 
 var obj = document.getElementById('contents');
@@ -502,12 +510,7 @@
 	for (i in arr) {
 	project = arr[i]
 	var li = document.createElement('li');
-	li.innerHTML = "" + projects[project].name + "";
-	if (isTLP(projects[project].name)) {
-		li.innerHTML += ""
-	} else {
-		li.innerHTML += ""
-	}
+	li.innerHTML = projectIcon(projects[project].name) + "" + projects[project].name + "";
 	ul.appendChild(li)
 	}
 	obj.appendChild(ul);
@@ -551,12 +554,7 @@
 		for (x in a) {
 			if (a[x].toLowerCase() == lang.toLowerCase()) {
 			var cli = document.createElement('li');
-			cli.innerHTML = "" + projects[i].name + "";
-			if (isTLP(projects[i].name)) {
-cli.innerHTML += ""
-			} else {
-cli.innerHTML += ""
-			}
+			cli.innerHTML = projectIcon(projects[i].name) + "" + projects[i].name + "";
 			cul.appendChild(cli)
 			}
 		}
@@ -609,12 +607,7 @@
 			a[x] = a[x].replace("http://projects.apache.org/category/";, "").toLowerCase();
 			if (a[x] == lang) {
 			var cli = document.createElement('li');
-			cli.innerHTML = "" + projects[i].name + "";
-			if (isTLP(projects[i].name)) {
-cli.innerHTML += ""
-			} else {
-cli.innerHTML += ""
-			}
+			cli.innerHTML = projectIcon(projects[i].name) + "" + projects[i].name + "";
 			cul.appendChild(cli)
 			}
 		}
@@ -662,12 +655,7 @@
 		xdate = committees[projects[i].name]
 		if (xdate == date) {
 			var cli = document.createElement('li');
-			cli.innerHTML = "" + projects[i].name + "";
-			if (isTLP(projects[i].name)) {
-			cli.innerHTML += ""
-			} else {
-			cli.innerHTML += ""
-			}
+			cli.innerHTML = projectIcon(projects[i].name) + "" + projects[i].name + "";
 			cul.appendChild(cli)
 		}
 		 }
@@ -712,12 +700,7 @@
 			var cli = document.createElement('li');
 			cli.innerHTML = "" + projects[i].name + ": " + len + " committers";
 			if (unixgroups[i+'-pmc']) {
-			cli.innerHTML += ", " + unixgroups[i+'-pmc'].length + " PMC members";
-			if (isTLP(projects[i].name)) {
-cli.innerHTML += ""
-			} else {
-cli.innerHTML += ""
-			}
+			cli.innerHTML = projectIcon(projects[i].name) + cli.innerHTML + ", " + unixgroups[i+'-pmc'].length + " PMC members";
 			}
 			ul.appendChild(cli)
 		}
@@ -771,12 +754,7 @@
 		xlpmc = projects[i].pmc
 		if (xlpmc == lpmc) {
 			var cli = document.createElement('li');
-			cli.innerHTML = "" + projects[i].name + "";
-			if (isTLP(projects[i].name)) {
-			cli.innerHTML += ""
-			} else {
-			cli.innerHTML += ""
-			}
+			cli.innerHTML = projectIcon(projects[i].name) + "" + projects[i].name + "";
 			cul.appendChild(cli)
 		}
 		 }

Re: first little patch for projects-new.apache.org

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

and a third one: just white background instead of black

Regards,

Hervé

Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:29:56 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> another one, with simple instructions to make local tests
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Hervé
> 
> Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:23:36 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> > Hi,
> > 
> > As promise, here is a first little patch: this is simply to add a link to
> > our license, per our policy :)
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Hervé
Index: styles.css
===
--- styles.css	(révision 1665047)
+++ styles.css	(copie de travail)
@@ -105,7 +105,7 @@
 }
 body {
 font: 15px/1.5 Helvetica, Arial, 'Liberation Sans', FreeSans, sans-serif;
-background-color: #666;
+background-color: #fff;
 }
 
 .leftbar {
@@ -194,7 +194,6 @@
 }
 
 #footer {
-  color: #DDD;
   font-style: italic;
   font-size: small;
   text-align: center;

Re: first little patch for projects-new.apache.org

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

another one, with simple instructions to make local tests

Regards,

Hervé

Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 17:23:36 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> As promise, here is a first little patch: this is simply to add a link to
> our license, per our policy :)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Hervé
Index: STRUCTURE.txt
===
--- STRUCTURE.txt	(révision 1664978)
+++ STRUCTURE.txt	(copie de travail)
@@ -4,20 +4,20 @@
 - Contains scripts used for import and maintenance of foundation-wide
   data, such as committer IDs/names, project VPs, founding dates,
   reporting cycles etc.
-
+
 /site:
 - Contains the HTML, images and javascript needed to run the site
-
+
 /site/json:
 - Contains the JSON data storage
-
+
 /site/json/foundation:
 - Contains foundation-wide JSON data (committers, chairs, podling
   evolution etc)
-
+
 /site/projects:
 - Contains project-specific base data.
-
+
 Suggested cron setup:
 scripts/cronjobs/parsechairs.py - daily
 scripts/cronjobs/parsecomitters.py - daily/hourly (whatever we need/want)
@@ -28,4 +28,8 @@
 scripts/import/parsecommittees.py - requires committee-info.txt to be present
 scripts/import/addpmc.py - manual run whenever a new PMC is founded
 
-
\ No newline at end of file
+Webserver required:
+To test the site locally, a webserver is required or you'll get
+"Cross origin requests are only supported for HTTP" errors.
+An easy setup is: run "python -m SimpleHTTPServer " from site directory
+to have site available at http://localhost:/

first little patch for projects-new.apache.org

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

Hi,

As promise, here is a first little patch: this is simply to add a link to our 
license, per our policy :)

Regards,

HervéIndex: datatables.html
===
--- datatables.html	(révision 1665047)
+++ datatables.html	(copie de travail)
@@ -52,7 +52,7 @@

 
 
-   Copyright© 2015, the Apache Software Foundation. Licensed under the Apache License v/2.0
+   Copyright© 2015, the Apache Software Foundation. Licensed under the http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0";>Apache License, Version 2.0
For inquiries, contact dev@community.apache.org.
 
 
Index: index.html
===
--- index.html	(révision 1665047)
+++ index.html	(copie de travail)
@@ -40,7 +40,7 @@

 
 
-   Copyright© 2015, the Apache Software Foundation. Licensed under the Apache License v/2.0
+   Copyright© 2015, the Apache Software Foundation. Licensed under the http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0";>Apache License, Version 2.0
For inquiries, contact dev@community.apache.org.
 
 

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 13:13:32 Daniel Gruno a écrit :
> > CMS has staging, no?
> > And perhaps the site is tiny because there is no easy editing: chicken and
> > egg. IMHO, this new site has great graphics, but it really requires more
> > than graphics. And the CMS could be part of the solution to do that.
> 
> I'm not sure the CMS would add anything but trouble to this, as the site
> is tied to svn two-way; It reads data but also commits it back to SVN
> when changes occur.
only the edit has such effect, and on some data, not on the site itself
I'm sure using CMS would help make this site a normal site

> Furthermore, I'm not sure the CMS would work for
> non-tlp sites...I've never tried that :)
Maven has Doxia site which is a sub-site, non-TLP

> and it would still be
> restricted to comdev in any case.
yes, comdev is a TLP like any other: should use CMS, since once again the site 
should not only have calculated graphics: it should have plain text too, with 
editorial content

> 
> >>> - the idea of online editing is great, but not knowing what happens
> >>> behind
> >>> the scene, I fear to add sub-projects: what sub-projects should be
> >>> added?
> >>> can sub- projects be removed if the addition gives unexpected result?
> >> 
> >> A delete feature would make sense, yes. As for what can be added, that's
> >> really up to the project, just as it was with the doap files. If you
> >> feel something in your project is a sub project in itself, you can add
> >> it.
> > 
> > IIUC, the online editing just updates
> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.org/site/json/proj
> > ects/ ?
> > Then editing these files is the way to track changes, or do what the
> > online
> > editing doesn't have any feature to do?
> 
> When you edit a project's JSON file, it triggers an email to this list,
> detailing what was edited.
> There is also (now) a job on the machine that updates it in SVN. The svn
> goes both ways; You can update something online and it will be committed
> to svn, or you can edit the json object in svn directly and it will be
> checked out on the machine.
ok, svnpubsub and svn commit list: really classical

> 
> >>> - what should we do with DOAP? Did I miss some explanations on private@
> >>> or
> >>> dev@ ML from a project I'm working on?
> >> 
> >> DOAP will be replaced by the online editing. We haven't contacted
> >> projects about this yet, but on the other hand, I don't think we'd just
> >> change the DNS without letting folks know what we were doing. It's only
> >> been in testing so far. Once it was on the path to becoming something
> >> more official, surely projects would be included more.
> > 
> > what is great with DOAP is that there is a schema: is there something
> > equivalent with json?
> > 
> >> But it also requires people other than me to chip in - I only have so
> >> many hands and feet :)
> > 
> > now that we know where the source code is, I hope people will involve.
> > How do we send patches? To you in person?
> 
> No, you send them to this ML :) This is a comdev project, not a
> Humbedooh project ;)
ok, I'll try tonight with some really simple changes before trying more 
complex work

Regards,

Hervé

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Daniel Gruno]

On 2015-03-08 12:47, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:

Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 11:28:22 Daniel Gruno a écrit :

- "Whereas the old pages were basic, the new ones have kind of an unusual
dark theme to them and look unpolished (vs. just plain as the old one)"
(copy/paste of another feedback that perfectly summarised a feeling I
could not express better)

Heh, not really a technical argument ;-) But if people feel it's too
dark, they are more than welcome to submit a patch for something lighter :)

yes, I'll try :)


- can we have a link to source? how can we submit patches? how can we test
for ourselves improvement ideas before submitting patches? This is really
a good start, but IMHO, if we don't have community involved in updates,
this new site will loose a great opportunity to have contributors (unless
it is a choice to avoid contributors)

It's under the comdev banner, and as such, is available at
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.org/

great, I'll have a look


- why doesn't this use the CMS for some classical pages? Should not some
parts of the old site be added to the new graphic content? While graphics
and generated content are great, I think that some handwritten content
would be useful (to explain where data come from, for example, or what
happened to DOAP, or how to contribute...)

All excellent points. If you check out the source, you can see that all
doap files have been converted to JSON instead.

you mean that projects should not update DOAP files any more but these json
files? I really missed the info (and this means we should perhaps move maven-
doap-plugin to the Attic...)


As for CMS, I don't see any reason to use the CMS compared to just
editing it in svn - it's 4-5 pages, each around 10 lines of html, not a
500+ page behemoth.

CMS has staging, no?
And perhaps the site is tiny because there is no easy editing: chicken and
egg. IMHO, this new site has great graphics, but it really requires more than
graphics. And the CMS could be part of the solution to do that.
I'm not sure the CMS would add anything but trouble to this, as the site 
is tied to svn two-way; It reads data but also commits it back to SVN 
when changes occur. Furthermore, I'm not sure the CMS would work for 
non-tlp sites...I've never tried that :) and it would still be 
restricted to comdev in any case.



- the idea of online editing is great, but not knowing what happens behind
the scene, I fear to add sub-projects: what sub-projects should be added?
can sub- projects be removed if the addition gives unexpected result?

A delete feature would make sense, yes. As for what can be added, that's
really up to the project, just as it was with the doap files. If you
feel something in your project is a sub project in itself, you can add it.

IIUC, the online editing just updates
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.org/site/json/projects/
?
Then editing these files is the way to track changes, or do what the online
editing doesn't have any feature to do?
When you edit a project's JSON file, it triggers an email to this list, 
detailing what was edited.
There is also (now) a job on the machine that updates it in SVN. The svn 
goes both ways; You can update something online and it will be committed 
to svn, or you can edit the json object in svn directly and it will be 
checked out on the machine.

- what should we do with DOAP? Did I miss some explanations on private@ or
dev@ ML from a project I'm working on?

DOAP will be replaced by the online editing. We haven't contacted
projects about this yet, but on the other hand, I don't think we'd just
change the DNS without letting folks know what we were doing. It's only
been in testing so far. Once it was on the path to becoming something
more official, surely projects would be included more.

what is great with DOAP is that there is a schema: is there something
equivalent with json?


But it also requires people other than me to chip in - I only have so
many hands and feet :)

now that we know where the source code is, I hope people will involve.
How do we send patches? To you in person?


No, you send them to this ML :) This is a comdev project, not a 
Humbedooh project ;)




Regards,

Hervé


With regards,
Daniel.


Please take this feedback as constructive feedback: I really like the new
site, just need some little improvements to get out of beta and make a
public release :)

Regards,

Hervé

Le vendredi 6 mars 2015 11:52:35 Rich Bowen a écrit :

I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that
projects.a.o has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites
up. If you object to moving forward with this, please say so.

[ ] +1, do it
[ ] +0, whatevs
[ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)

--Rich

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

Le dimanche 8 mars 2015 11:28:22 Daniel Gruno a écrit :
> > - "Whereas the old pages were basic, the new ones have kind of an unusual
> > dark theme to them and look unpolished (vs. just plain as the old one)"
> > (copy/paste of another feedback that perfectly summarised a feeling I
> > could not express better)
> 
> Heh, not really a technical argument ;-) But if people feel it's too
> dark, they are more than welcome to submit a patch for something lighter :)
yes, I'll try :)

> 
> > - can we have a link to source? how can we submit patches? how can we test
> > for ourselves improvement ideas before submitting patches? This is really
> > a good start, but IMHO, if we don't have community involved in updates,
> > this new site will loose a great opportunity to have contributors (unless
> > it is a choice to avoid contributors)
> 
> It's under the comdev banner, and as such, is available at
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.org/
great, I'll have a look

> 
> > - why doesn't this use the CMS for some classical pages? Should not some
> > parts of the old site be added to the new graphic content? While graphics
> > and generated content are great, I think that some handwritten content
> > would be useful (to explain where data come from, for example, or what
> > happened to DOAP, or how to contribute...)
> 
> All excellent points. If you check out the source, you can see that all
> doap files have been converted to JSON instead.
you mean that projects should not update DOAP files any more but these json 
files? I really missed the info (and this means we should perhaps move maven-
doap-plugin to the Attic...)

> As for CMS, I don't see any reason to use the CMS compared to just
> editing it in svn - it's 4-5 pages, each around 10 lines of html, not a
> 500+ page behemoth.
CMS has staging, no?
And perhaps the site is tiny because there is no easy editing: chicken and 
egg. IMHO, this new site has great graphics, but it really requires more than 
graphics. And the CMS could be part of the solution to do that.

> 
> > - the idea of online editing is great, but not knowing what happens behind
> > the scene, I fear to add sub-projects: what sub-projects should be added?
> > can sub- projects be removed if the addition gives unexpected result?
> 
> A delete feature would make sense, yes. As for what can be added, that's
> really up to the project, just as it was with the doap files. If you
> feel something in your project is a sub project in itself, you can add it.
IIUC, the online editing just updates 
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.org/site/json/projects/ 
?
Then editing these files is the way to track changes, or do what the online 
editing doesn't have any feature to do?

> 
> > - what should we do with DOAP? Did I miss some explanations on private@ or
> > dev@ ML from a project I'm working on?
> 
> DOAP will be replaced by the online editing. We haven't contacted
> projects about this yet, but on the other hand, I don't think we'd just
> change the DNS without letting folks know what we were doing. It's only
> been in testing so far. Once it was on the path to becoming something
> more official, surely projects would be included more.
what is great with DOAP is that there is a schema: is there something 
equivalent with json?

> 
> But it also requires people other than me to chip in - I only have so
> many hands and feet :)
now that we know where the source code is, I hope people will involve.
How do we send patches? To you in person?

Regards,

Hervé

> 
> With regards,
> Daniel.
> 
> > Please take this feedback as constructive feedback: I really like the new
> > site, just need some little improvements to get out of beta and make a
> > public release :)
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Hervé
> > 
> > Le vendredi 6 mars 2015 11:52:35 Rich Bowen a écrit :
> >> I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
> >> projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that
> >> projects.a.o has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites
> >> up. If you object to moving forward with this, please say so.
> >> 
> >> [ ] +1, do it
> >> [ ] +0, whatevs
> >> [ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)
> >> 
> >> --Rich

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Santiago Gala]

El vie., 6 de marzo de 2015 a las 23:40, Daniel Gruno ()
escribió:

>
>
> On 2015-03-06 23:39, Christopher wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Shane Curcuru
>
(...)

> >> Similarly, are we still using DOAP files?  I could imagine that there
> >> are others who were also referring to individual DOAPs or to the
> >> projects.a.o/feeds content.
> >>
> >> These may not be widely used features, but if we're nuking them we
> >> should be explicit about that and provide some notice about them being
> >> gone.
> >>
> >>
> > +1; it'd be nice to know that we don't have to update them anymore, if
> > that's the case.
> You don't, you update everything through the site ( currently at
> https://projects-new.apache.org/edit ).
>
>
Is there a reasonable audit trail of changes? Before now, the svn log of
the DOAP files was effectively an audit trail. Does the project-new system
provide something reasonably similar?

Regards
Santiago


> With regards,
> Daniel.
>
>

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Daniel Gruno]

On 2015-03-08 11:12, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote:

+0.5

I really like the graphics and general idea: that's for sure the way to go!

but before switching, there are some issues to fix, IMHO:

- "Whereas the old pages were basic, the new ones have kind of an unusual dark
theme to them and look unpolished (vs. just plain as the old one)" (copy/paste
of another feedback that perfectly summarised a feeling I could not express
better)


Heh, not really a technical argument ;-) But if people feel it's too 
dark, they are more than welcome to submit a patch for something lighter :)




- can we have a link to source? how can we submit patches? how can we test for
ourselves improvement ideas before submitting patches? This is really a good
start, but IMHO, if we don't have community involved in updates, this new site
will loose a great opportunity to have contributors (unless it is a choice to
avoid contributors)


It's under the comdev banner, and as such, is available at 
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/projects.apache.org/




- why doesn't this use the CMS for some classical pages? Should not some parts
of the old site be added to the new graphic content? While graphics and
generated content are great, I think that some handwritten content would be
useful (to explain where data come from, for example, or what happened to
DOAP, or how to contribute...)


All excellent points. If you check out the source, you can see that all 
doap files have been converted to JSON instead.
As for CMS, I don't see any reason to use the CMS compared to just 
editing it in svn - it's 4-5 pages, each around 10 lines of html, not a 
500+ page behemoth.




- the idea of online editing is great, but not knowing what happens behind the
scene, I fear to add sub-projects: what sub-projects should be added? can sub-
projects be removed if the addition gives unexpected result?


A delete feature would make sense, yes. As for what can be added, that's 
really up to the project, just as it was with the doap files. If you 
feel something in your project is a sub project in itself, you can add it.




- what should we do with DOAP? Did I miss some explanations on private@ or
dev@ ML from a project I'm working on?


DOAP will be replaced by the online editing. We haven't contacted 
projects about this yet, but on the other hand, I don't think we'd just 
change the DNS without letting folks know what we were doing. It's only 
been in testing so far. Once it was on the path to becoming something 
more official, surely projects would be included more.


But it also requires people other than me to chip in - I only have so 
many hands and feet :)


With regards,
Daniel.



Please take this feedback as constructive feedback: I really like the new
site, just need some little improvements to get out of beta and make a public
release :)

Regards,

Hervé

Le vendredi 6 mars 2015 11:52:35 Rich Bowen a écrit :

I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that
projects.a.o has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites
up. If you object to moving forward with this, please say so.

[ ] +1, do it
[ ] +0, whatevs
[ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)

--Rich

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Hervé BOUTEMY]

+0.5

I really like the graphics and general idea: that's for sure the way to go!

but before switching, there are some issues to fix, IMHO:

- "Whereas the old pages were basic, the new ones have kind of an unusual dark 
theme to them and look unpolished (vs. just plain as the old one)" (copy/paste 
of another feedback that perfectly summarised a feeling I could not express 
better)

- can we have a link to source? how can we submit patches? how can we test for 
ourselves improvement ideas before submitting patches? This is really a good 
start, but IMHO, if we don't have community involved in updates, this new site 
will loose a great opportunity to have contributors (unless it is a choice to 
avoid contributors)

- why doesn't this use the CMS for some classical pages? Should not some parts 
of the old site be added to the new graphic content? While graphics and 
generated content are great, I think that some handwritten content would be 
useful (to explain where data come from, for example, or what happened to 
DOAP, or how to contribute...)

- the idea of online editing is great, but not knowing what happens behind the 
scene, I fear to add sub-projects: what sub-projects should be added? can sub-
projects be removed if the addition gives unexpected result?

- what should we do with DOAP? Did I miss some explanations on private@ or 
dev@ ML from a project I'm working on?


Please take this feedback as constructive feedback: I really like the new 
site, just need some little improvements to get out of beta and make a public 
release :)

Regards,

Hervé

Le vendredi 6 mars 2015 11:52:35 Rich Bowen a écrit :
> I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
> projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that
> projects.a.o has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites
> up. If you object to moving forward with this, please say so.
> 
> [ ] +1, do it
> [ ] +0, whatevs
> [ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)
> 
> --Rich

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Antoine Levy Lambert]

+1

Antoine
On Mar 6, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Rich Bowen  wrote:

> I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with 
> projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that projects.a.o 
> has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites up. If you object 
> to moving forward with this, please say so.
> 
> [ ] +1, do it
> [ ] +0, whatevs
> [ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)
> 
> --Rich
> 
> -- 
> Rich Bowen - rbo...@redhat.com
> OpenStack Community Liaison
> http://rdoproject.org/

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Rich Bowen]

On 03/06/2015 06:08 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:

This is really cool stuff, but I want to make sure that our 160++
projects actually understand what's going on (and will take the
responsibility to keep their own info updated here), and that various
outsiders who come to the site to find our projects get the information
they need.


we've told them several times. I recognize that's not the same as 
"projects actually understand".


--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Daniel Gruno]

Hi Hitesh,
log onto https://projects-new.apache.org/edit/ and go to the bottom. 
Pick 'tez' as the PMC and nothing as the sub-project name, click the 
button and start typing :) That will create a tez.json file that the 
site will then use.


With regards,
Daniel.

On 2015-03-07 04:56, Hitesh Shah wrote:

Same question for Apache Tez. How do we need to fix the new website to show the 
Tez project?

thanks
— Hitesh

On Mar 6, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Marshall Schor  wrote:


I can see the Apache UIMA entry in the "old" page, but it's not listed on the
new page.  What needs fixing?

-Marshall Schor

On 3/6/2015 11:52 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:

I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that projects.a.o
has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites up. If you object
to moving forward with this, please say so.

[ ] +1, do it
[ ] +0, whatevs
[ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)

--Rich

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Daniel Gruno]

On 2015-03-07 05:20, Pei Chen wrote:

This is pretty cool.
Just curious- are the *.json automagically updated via a script of some
sort?
eg https://projects-new.apache.org/json/foundation/people.json
We were thinking of reusing the data to pull that and populate our own
people.html page dynamically via jQuery.

Yeah, that's all updated automatically these days.

With regards,
Daniel.



On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:


+1 please do so :)

++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++






-Original Message-
From: Mike Drob 
Reply-To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
Date: Friday, March 6, 2015 at 12:50 PM
To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with
projects-new.apache.org


Minor design nit: the content boxes should either be centered or do a
better job of auto filling the available horizontal space. Otherwise, it
looks spiffy, despite being fairly tiny on my monitor.

Would also like to see the releases page sort by date by default, and show
more than 10 entries. This is not a reason to block the switch though.

+0.9 in current state, +1 once my comments are addressed.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Yann Ylavic  wrote:


On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:

I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
projects-new.apache.org.

-0, do we need all these js/css/cookies from google(apis)?
I never had to disable noscript for anything than a.o on a.o until
then, whitelisting *.gg.c annoys me a bit...

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Johannes Geppert]

+1

Thanks for your work, much more better now! :-)

#
web: http://www.jgeppert.com
twitter: http://twitter.com/jogep


2015-03-07 5:20 GMT+01:00 Pei Chen :

> This is pretty cool.
> Just curious- are the *.json automagically updated via a script of some
> sort?
> eg https://projects-new.apache.org/json/foundation/people.json
> We were thinking of reusing the data to pull that and populate our own
> people.html page dynamically via jQuery.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> > +1 please do so :)
> >
> > ++
> > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > Chief Architect
> > Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> > Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
> > WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > ++
> > Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > ++
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mike Drob 
> > Reply-To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
> > Date: Friday, March 6, 2015 at 12:50 PM
> > To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with
> > projects-new.apache.org
> >
> > >Minor design nit: the content boxes should either be centered or do a
> > >better job of auto filling the available horizontal space. Otherwise, it
> > >looks spiffy, despite being fairly tiny on my monitor.
> > >
> > >Would also like to see the releases page sort by date by default, and
> show
> > >more than 10 entries. This is not a reason to block the switch though.
> > >
> > >+0.9 in current state, +1 once my comments are addressed.
> > >
> > >On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Yann Ylavic 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
> > >> > I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
> > >> > projects-new.apache.org.
> > >>
> > >> -0, do we need all these js/css/cookies from google(apis)?
> > >> I never had to disable noscript for anything than a.o on a.o until
> > >> then, whitelisting *.gg.c annoys me a bit...
> > >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Pei Chen]

This is pretty cool.
Just curious- are the *.json automagically updated via a script of some
sort?
eg https://projects-new.apache.org/json/foundation/people.json
We were thinking of reusing the data to pull that and populate our own
people.html page dynamically via jQuery.


On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

> +1 please do so :)
>
> ++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Drob 
> Reply-To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
> Date: Friday, March 6, 2015 at 12:50 PM
> To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with
> projects-new.apache.org
>
> >Minor design nit: the content boxes should either be centered or do a
> >better job of auto filling the available horizontal space. Otherwise, it
> >looks spiffy, despite being fairly tiny on my monitor.
> >
> >Would also like to see the releases page sort by date by default, and show
> >more than 10 entries. This is not a reason to block the switch though.
> >
> >+0.9 in current state, +1 once my comments are addressed.
> >
> >On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Yann Ylavic  wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
> >> > I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
> >> > projects-new.apache.org.
> >>
> >> -0, do we need all these js/css/cookies from google(apis)?
> >> I never had to disable noscript for anything than a.o on a.o until
> >> then, whitelisting *.gg.c annoys me a bit...
> >>
>
>

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Hitesh Shah]

Same question for Apache Tez. How do we need to fix the new website to show the 
Tez project? 

thanks
— Hitesh

On Mar 6, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Marshall Schor  wrote:

> I can see the Apache UIMA entry in the "old" page, but it's not listed on the
> new page.  What needs fixing?
> 
> -Marshall Schor
> 
> On 3/6/2015 11:52 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
>> I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
>> projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that projects.a.o
>> has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites up. If you object
>> to moving forward with this, please say so.
>> 
>> [ ] +1, do it
>> [ ] +0, whatevs
>> [ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)
>> 
>> --Rich
>> 
> 

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Joe Schaefer]

LGTM, but don't forget to update the www.apache.org homepageto base it on the 
new stuff instead of the DOAP files. 

 On Friday, March 6, 2015 10:47 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" 
 wrote:
   

 +1 please do so :)

++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++






-Original Message-
From: Mike Drob 
Reply-To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
Date: Friday, March 6, 2015 at 12:50 PM
To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with
projects-new.apache.org

>Minor design nit: the content boxes should either be centered or do a
>better job of auto filling the available horizontal space. Otherwise, it
>looks spiffy, despite being fairly tiny on my monitor.
>
>Would also like to see the releases page sort by date by default, and show
>more than 10 entries. This is not a reason to block the switch though.
>
>+0.9 in current state, +1 once my comments are addressed.
>
>On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Yann Ylavic  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
>> > I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
>> > projects-new.apache.org.
>>
>> -0, do we need all these js/css/cookies from google(apis)?
>> I never had to disable noscript for anything than a.o on a.o until
>> then, whitelisting *.gg.c annoys me a bit...
>>



   

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Mattmann, Chris A (3980)]

+1 please do so :)

++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++






-Original Message-
From: Mike Drob 
Reply-To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
Date: Friday, March 6, 2015 at 12:50 PM
To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with
projects-new.apache.org

>Minor design nit: the content boxes should either be centered or do a
>better job of auto filling the available horizontal space. Otherwise, it
>looks spiffy, despite being fairly tiny on my monitor.
>
>Would also like to see the releases page sort by date by default, and show
>more than 10 entries. This is not a reason to block the switch though.
>
>+0.9 in current state, +1 once my comments are addressed.
>
>On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Yann Ylavic  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
>> > I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
>> > projects-new.apache.org.
>>
>> -0, do we need all these js/css/cookies from google(apis)?
>> I never had to disable noscript for anything than a.o on a.o until
>> then, whitelisting *.gg.c annoys me a bit...
>>

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Shane Curcuru]

On 3/6/15 5:40 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2015-03-06 23:39, Christopher wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Shane Curcuru 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Question: is there any plan to redirect old URLs?
>>>
>>> The old projects.a.o certainly is clunky, but there may well be a few
>>> people who have linked to various parts of the site.
>>>
>>> Similarly, are we still using DOAP files?  I could imagine that there
>>> are others who were also referring to individual DOAPs or to the
>>> projects.a.o/feeds content.
>>>
>>> These may not be widely used features, but if we're nuking them we
>>> should be explicit about that and provide some notice about them being
>>> gone.
>>>
>>>
>> +1; it'd be nice to know that we don't have to update them anymore, if
>> that's the case.
> You don't, you update everything through the site ( currently at
> https://projects-new.apache.org/edit ).

Ah, so this means DOAP files are essentially deprecated, correct?

Have we documented how PMCs are supposed to update their project's
details, and communicated to pmcs@ the expectation that they must now
keep this stuff updated instead of the DOAP files?

This is really cool stuff, but I want to make sure that our 160++
projects actually understand what's going on (and will take the
responsibility to keep their own info updated here), and that various
outsiders who come to the site to find our projects get the information
they need.

- Shane


> 
> With regards,
> Daniel.
> 

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Daniel Gruno]

On 2015-03-06 23:39, Christopher wrote:

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Shane Curcuru  wrote:


Question: is there any plan to redirect old URLs?

The old projects.a.o certainly is clunky, but there may well be a few
people who have linked to various parts of the site.

Similarly, are we still using DOAP files?  I could imagine that there
are others who were also referring to individual DOAPs or to the
projects.a.o/feeds content.

These may not be widely used features, but if we're nuking them we
should be explicit about that and provide some notice about them being
gone.



+1; it'd be nice to know that we don't have to update them anymore, if
that's the case.
You don't, you update everything through the site ( currently at 
https://projects-new.apache.org/edit ).


With regards,
Daniel.

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Christopher]

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Shane Curcuru  wrote:

> Question: is there any plan to redirect old URLs?
>
> The old projects.a.o certainly is clunky, but there may well be a few
> people who have linked to various parts of the site.
>
> Similarly, are we still using DOAP files?  I could imagine that there
> are others who were also referring to individual DOAPs or to the
> projects.a.o/feeds content.
>
> These may not be widely used features, but if we're nuking them we
> should be explicit about that and provide some notice about them being
> gone.
>
>
+1; it'd be nice to know that we don't have to update them anymore, if
that's the case.

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Shane Curcuru]

Question: is there any plan to redirect old URLs?

The old projects.a.o certainly is clunky, but there may well be a few
people who have linked to various parts of the site.

Similarly, are we still using DOAP files?  I could imagine that there
are others who were also referring to individual DOAPs or to the
projects.a.o/feeds content.

These may not be widely used features, but if we're nuking them we
should be explicit about that and provide some notice about them being gone.

- Shane

P.S. There's some perspective for you on the Releases tab... 5306
software product releases (and those are just ones that the scripts can
detect).

On 3/6/15 11:52 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
> projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that
> projects.a.o has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites
> up. If you object to moving forward with this, please say so.
> 
> [ ] +1, do it
> [ ] +0, whatevs
> [ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)
> 
> --Rich
> 

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Marshall Schor]

I can see the Apache UIMA entry in the "old" page, but it's not listed on the
new page.  What needs fixing?

-Marshall Schor

On 3/6/2015 11:52 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
> projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that projects.a.o
> has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites up. If you object
> to moving forward with this, please say so.
>
> [ ] +1, do it
> [ ] +0, whatevs
> [ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)
>
> --Rich
>

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Ramkumar R. Aiyengar]

Just happened to notice that the new website's header seems to be truncated
on mobile.

I use Chrome on Android..

http://imgur.com/8gZfu0i
 On 6 Mar 2015 16:53, "Rich Bowen"  wrote:

> I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
> projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that
> projects.a.o has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites
> up. If you object to moving forward with this, please say so.
>
> [ ] +1, do it
> [ ] +0, whatevs
> [ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)
>
> --Rich
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbo...@redhat.com
> OpenStack Community Liaison
> http://rdoproject.org/
>

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Mike Drob]

Minor design nit: the content boxes should either be centered or do a
better job of auto filling the available horizontal space. Otherwise, it
looks spiffy, despite being fairly tiny on my monitor.

Would also like to see the releases page sort by date by default, and show
more than 10 entries. This is not a reason to block the switch though.

+0.9 in current state, +1 once my comments are addressed.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Yann Ylavic  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
> > I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
> > projects-new.apache.org.
>
> -0, do we need all these js/css/cookies from google(apis)?
> I never had to disable noscript for anything than a.o on a.o until
> then, whitelisting *.gg.c annoys me a bit...
>

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Yann Ylavic]

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
> I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
> projects-new.apache.org.

-0, do we need all these js/css/cookies from google(apis)?
I never had to disable noscript for anything than a.o on a.o until
then, whitelisting *.gg.c annoys me a bit...

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Eric Covener]

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
> I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
> projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that projects.a.o
> has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites up. If you
> object to moving forward with this, please say so.
>
> [ ] +1, do it
> [ ] +0, whatevs
> [ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)

-0, index on new site took in excess of 20 seconds to load for me in
chrome. About 10 seconds trying again in firefox.  Whereas the old
pages were basic, the new ones have kind of an unusual dark theme to
them and look unpolished (vs. just plain as the old one)

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Sharan Foga]

+1
On 6 Mar 2015 17:53, "Rich Bowen"  wrote:

> I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
> projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that
> projects.a.o has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites
> up. If you object to moving forward with this, please say so.
>
> [ ] +1, do it
> [ ] +0, whatevs
> [ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)
>
> --Rich
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbo...@redhat.com
> OpenStack Community Liaison
> http://rdoproject.org/
>

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Ulrich Stärk]

+1

On 2015-03-06 17:52, Rich Bowen wrote:
> I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with 
> projects-new.apache.org. It now has
> all the functionality that projects.a.o has, and much more, and there's no 
> reason to have two sites
> up. If you object to moving forward with this, please say so.
> 
> [ ] +1, do it
> [ ] +0, whatevs
> [ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)
> 
> --Rich
> 

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Christopher]

+1, with two comments:

1. the projects page on the new site has a link to "Contributors", which is
broken.
2. there's some information linked on the old site about DOAP files and
RSS/Atom feeds, which do not exist (or are not obvious) on the new site.


--
Christopher L Tubbs II
http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Rich Bowen  wrote:

> I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
> projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that
> projects.a.o has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites
> up. If you object to moving forward with this, please say so.
>
> [ ] +1, do it
> [ ] +0, whatevs
> [ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)
>
> --Rich
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbo...@redhat.com
> OpenStack Community Liaison
> http://rdoproject.org/
>