[digitalradio] Linux Journal Guest Editor, KG4GIY Talks about Ham Radio
RAIN Report: Linux Journal Guest Editor David Lane, KG4GIY, talks about featuring ham radio in the January 2010 issue. (11 minutes) www.therainreport.com/rainreport_archive/rainreport-1-2-2010.mp3
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come!
On Oct 31, 2009, at 8:09 PM, Charles Brabham wrote: > > I've tried out Ubuntu and Puppy linux ( on different machines ) and > had no major problems with either of them. I like DSL Linux too. > > I've got to admit though that working with Linux is like wearing > cowboy boots - the best part of it is at the end of the day when you > take them off ( go back to using Windows ). > > It's interesting to do things differently and I like that, but the > performance just isn't there with Linux. In the end, doing things > with a good Windows box is always faster, easier, more certain and > more reliable. This is really subjective. I, personally, find lots of performance present with linux, as opposed to Windows. I favor UNIX over Windows, electing to use Linux, HP-UX and Apple's OS X. For me, Windows is used only as a last resort, for one or two ham apps that I haven't found elsewhere (eg, g4ilo's morse machine). The OP may similarly find that linux is like a fine pair of lamb's wool slippers that one never wants to take off. ;) Once you've become familiar with linux, you might consider installing a linux tailored for embedded systems such as openWRT (www.openwrt.org) on a linksys router (eg, wrt54g) and start playing with high speed multimedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed_Multimedia ). Linux opens many doors not available to Windows. > If you are in the mood to tinker though, Linux is much much better > than Windows for that. - It's most definately a learning experience, > which is not so bad at all. > > > 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL robert
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come!
You will want to install it, what ever you add will otherwise be lost as soon as you reboot. In order to get the ham radio software you have to enable repositories to get that stuff from. Universe and multiverse should be enabled, medibuntu is extra. Look under administration and start "software sources" (not sure abt that name as I use the swedish translation). Enable those repositories and have it refresh the lists. After that the ham radio section will be stuffed. 73 de Per, sm0rwo From: Marty W8AKS To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 10:35:07 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come! Okay, I've got 9.1 up and running off the Cd. Into the Synaptic Package Manager; but I can't find any of the ham programs (wsjt, fldigi, etc). Under the "ALL", scroll all the way down with no success. What am I doing wrong? Do I need to install 9.1 to the hd in order to retrieve the packages? Thanks and 73 Marty W8AKS - Original Message - >From: James > French >To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com >Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 18:29 > PM >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I > come! > > >I would recommend Ubuntu 9.04 to start with. > >It's what most of us > here locally are using. Ubuntu is a >variatnt of Debian which is the basis > for a couple of other >'flavors' of Linux. > >Ubuntu and Debian come > with WSJT, fldigi, and gMSFK as >supported software installs. You'll also > have other Amatuer >radio related software to pick and choose from in the > Synaptic >package manager ranging from Sat tracking to NEC > antenna >modeling software. All open source software...: ) You will > even >be able to upload to the ARRL Logbook Of The World > even. > >Another benefit is that if you want to run PSKmail, you will be > able >to. I have set it up, but not done much with it other than to > know >that it works. > >I would recommend that you find a local Linux > Users Group (LUG) >in your area to attend as that usually is the BEST source > of information >on any problems that you may encounter. Here's a link to a > few in that >might be close to you for help: >http://www.linux. org/groups/ usa/westvirginia .html >Just > do a search for Linux User Groups in your favorite search engine to >find > others. > >Hope this helps some. > >James W8ISS > >
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come!
I have fedora 11 on second drive of a dual boot system, i have installed a few of the ham software installed with no problems Loyd C.Headrick K4LCH K4LCH Vol State Hosting From: Charles Brabham To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 9:09:57 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come! I've tried out Ubuntu and Puppy linux ( on different machines ) and had no major problems with either of them. I like DSL Linux too. I've got to admit though that working with Linux is like wearing cowboy boots - the best part of it is at the end of the day when you take them off ( go back to using Windows ). It's interesting to do things differently and I like that, but the performance just isn't there with Linux. In the end, doing things with a good Windows box is always faster, easier, more certain and more reliable. If you are in the mood to tinker though, Linux is much much better than Windows for that. - It's most definately a learning experience, which is not so bad at all. 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL Prefer to use radio for your amateur radio communications? - Stop by at HamRadioNet. Org ! http://www.hamradionet.org - Original Message - >From: Alan Wilson >To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com >Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:25 PM >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here Icome! > > >For linux ham, I would recommend Linux Mint where you can install the o/s >on your computer and download and install ham apps easily. If you want to run > off a small O/S via cd or flash go with Puppy. Fldigi works good with >either...gud luck, Alan > > >On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Marty W8AKS wrote: > > >>I have a backup laptop that I want to install Linux on for learning and >>probable switchover when XP support goes away. >> >>I did not realize how many different flavors of Linux there is. Can the >>group recommend a flavor that is favorable to ham radio. Any recommended >>ham radio programs would also be appreciated. After a learning curve >>I'll >>probably be on the air utilizing linux vice windows. >> >>Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. >> >>Thanks and 73 >>Marty >>W8AKS >> >> > > >-- >Quote for the day: ".Light travels faster than sound. That's whysome >people appear bright until you hear them speak." > >Alan Wilson >67 Bullseye Lane >Victor, MT 59875 >http://montanaham. tripod.com >
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come!
I've tried out Ubuntu and Puppy linux ( on different machines ) and had no major problems with either of them. I like DSL Linux too. I've got to admit though that working with Linux is like wearing cowboy boots - the best part of it is at the end of the day when you take them off ( go back to using Windows ). It's interesting to do things differently and I like that, but the performance just isn't there with Linux. In the end, doing things with a good Windows box is always faster, easier, more certain and more reliable. If you are in the mood to tinker though, Linux is much much better than Windows for that. - It's most definately a learning experience, which is not so bad at all. 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL Prefer to use radio for your amateur radio communications? - Stop by at HamRadioNet.Org ! http://www.hamradionet.org - Original Message - From: Alan Wilson To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come! For linux ham, I would recommend Linux Mint where you can install the o/s on your computer and download and install ham apps easily. If you want to run off a small O/S via cd or flash go with Puppy. Fldigi works good with either...gud luck, Alan On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Marty W8AKS wrote: I have a backup laptop that I want to install Linux on for learning and probable switchover when XP support goes away. I did not realize how many different flavors of Linux there is. Can the group recommend a flavor that is favorable to ham radio. Any recommended ham radio programs would also be appreciated. After a learning curve I'll probably be on the air utilizing linux vice windows. Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and 73 Marty W8AKS -- Quote for the day: ".Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak." Alan Wilson 67 Bullseye Lane Victor, MT 59875 http://montanaham.tripod.com
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come!
Okay, I've got 9.1 up and running off the Cd. Into the Synaptic Package Manager; but I can't find any of the ham programs (wsjt, fldigi, etc). Under the "ALL", scroll all the way down with no success. What am I doing wrong? Do I need to install 9.1 to the hd in order to retrieve the packages? Thanks and 73 Marty W8AKS - Original Message - From: James French To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 18:29 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come! I would recommend Ubuntu 9.04 to start with. It's what most of us here locally are using. Ubuntu is a variatnt of Debian which is the basis for a couple of other 'flavors' of Linux. Ubuntu and Debian come with WSJT, fldigi, and gMSFK as supported software installs. You'll also have other Amatuer radio related software to pick and choose from in the Synaptic package manager ranging from Sat tracking to NEC antenna modeling software. All open source software...:) You will even be able to upload to the ARRL Logbook Of The World even. Another benefit is that if you want to run PSKmail, you will be able to. I have set it up, but not done much with it other than to know that it works. I would recommend that you find a local Linux Users Group (LUG) in your area to attend as that usually is the BEST source of information on any problems that you may encounter. Here's a link to a few in that might be close to you for help: http://www.linux.org/groups/usa/westvirginia.html Just do a search for Linux User Groups in your favorite search engine to find others. Hope this helps some. James W8ISS
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come!
The Ubuntu "Wubi" installer offers a similar option as well. You can install it on top of Windows as you would a Windows application. Tim, N9PUZ Alan Wilson wrote: > > > For linux ham, I would recommend Linux Mint where you can install the > o/s on your computer and download and install ham apps easily. If you > want to run off a small O/S via cd or flash go with Puppy. Fldigi works > good with either...gud luck, Alan >
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come!
For linux ham, I would recommend Linux Mint where you can install the o/s on your computer and download and install ham apps easily. If you want to run off a small O/S via cd or flash go with Puppy. Fldigi works good with either...gud luck, Alan On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Marty W8AKS wrote: > > > I have a backup laptop that I want to install Linux on for learning and > probable switchover when XP support goes away. > > I did not realize how many different flavors of Linux there is. Can the > group recommend a flavor that is favorable to ham radio. Any recommended > ham radio programs would also be appreciated. After a learning curve I'll > probably be on the air utilizing linux vice windows. > > Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks and 73 > Marty > W8AKS > > > -- Quote for the day: ".Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak." Alan Wilson 67 Bullseye Lane Victor, MT 59875 http://montanaham.tripod.com
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come!
I have to agree with using Ubuntu, and 9.10 is out. I upgraded from 9.04 and had no problem. You can also copy it to a disk and run it off that to make sure you like it before you do a hard install. I do wish HRD was available for Linux and I would dump windoze completely. 73 Kurt --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Per wrote: From: Per Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come! To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 2:59 PM I'm using ubuntu 9.10 here now and its great. You can install fldigi through synaptic, fldigi 3.11.4 is on the mirrors. I recommend that you learn about mirrors and synaptic, on ubuntu. The ham radio section is packed. 73 de Per, sm0rwo From: Tim N9PUZ To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 7:50:44 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come! James French wrote: > I would recommend Ubuntu 9.04 to start with. I have not downloaded it yet but I believe Ubuntu 9.10 was released this past week. Tim, N9PUZ
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come!
Tim, Your correct. I wasn't paying attention to the latest upgrade as I normally give the newest versions a few weeks before I upgarde to them. James W8ISS = On Saturday 31 October 2009 14:50:44 Tim N9PUZ wrote: > James French wrote: > > I would recommend Ubuntu 9.04 to start with. > > I have not downloaded it yet but I believe Ubuntu 9.10 was released this > past week. > > Tim, N9PUZ > > > > > > Suggested frequencies for calling CQ with experimental digital modes = > 3584,10147, 14074 USB on your dial plus 1000Hz on waterfall. > > Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at > http://www.obriensweb.com/sked > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come!
I'm using ubuntu 9.10 here now and its great. You can install fldigi through synaptic, fldigi 3.11.4 is on the mirrors. I recommend that you learn about mirrors and synaptic, on ubuntu. The ham radio section is packed. 73 de Per, sm0rwo From: Tim N9PUZ To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 7:50:44 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come! James French wrote: > I would recommend Ubuntu 9.04 to start with. I have not downloaded it yet but I believe Ubuntu 9.10 was released this past week. Tim, N9PUZ
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come!
James French wrote: > I would recommend Ubuntu 9.04 to start with. I have not downloaded it yet but I believe Ubuntu 9.10 was released this past week. Tim, N9PUZ
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Here I come!
I would recommend Ubuntu 9.04 to start with. It's what most of us here locally are using. Ubuntu is a variatnt of Debian which is the basis for a couple of other 'flavors' of Linux. Ubuntu and Debian come with WSJT, fldigi, and gMSFK as supported software installs. You'll also have other Amatuer radio related software to pick and choose from in the Synaptic package manager ranging from Sat tracking to NEC antenna modeling software. All open source software...:) You will even be able to upload to the ARRL Logbook Of The World even. Another benefit is that if you want to run PSKmail, you will be able to. I have set it up, but not done much with it other than to know that it works. I would recommend that you find a local Linux Users Group (LUG) in your area to attend as that usually is the BEST source of information on any problems that you may encounter. Here's a link to a few in that might be close to you for help: http://www.linux.org/groups/usa/westvirginia.html Just do a search for Linux User Groups in your favorite search engine to find others. Hope this helps some. James W8ISS
[digitalradio] Linux Here I come!
I have a backup laptop that I want to install Linux on for learning and probable switchover when XP support goes away. I did not realize how many different flavors of Linux there is. Can the group recommend a flavor that is favorable to ham radio. Any recommended ham radio programs would also be appreciated. After a learning curve I'll probably be on the air utilizing linux vice windows. Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and 73 Marty W8AKS
Re: [digitalradio] Linux packages for Ubuntu
I uninstalled hamlib, tried to use the more current source with no luck as it does not compile according to the instructions. So I reinstalled hamlib from the binary package repository, reinstalled the older fldigi and it comes up by locating the program in the appropriate subdirectory. I also installed several other programs from the repository, including gmfsk. I have two serious problems. And they are both the same thing I have had in the past with no resolution. Either I have no sound, or I have transmitted sound that has an interrupt like sequence, several times per second. This is not possible to use for transmitting. Receiving seems OK. The other problem is not getting PTT to work via the CI-V port on my ICOM. For now, I will go back to the Linuxham and Linuxhams groups and see if anyone else is having similar experiences. 73, Rick, KV9U Roy G. Jackson wrote: > Rick, > As I said, I am no Linux or Ubuntu expert. Here is what I did, though. > For the older version 1.37 (or what ever) of the fldigi program, I > simply installed it using the Synaptic Agent. I then had to navigate to > usr/bin directory, find the fldigi file and click on it to run it. You > should also be able to open a terminal and do the same thing from the > command line. > > For the newer version 2.04 of fldigi, I downloaded the .tgz file, > uncompressed it and ran the extracted file. That placed a file called > fldigi in my home directory, /home/roy in my case. I can click on that > file and fldigi runs for me. I have not tried playing around with it to > see what it will do. I think perhaps it is time for me to spend some > time with the help files. I am able to run the fldigi file whether I am > using Gnome or KDE. At first I did not delete a hidden .fldigi > directory. The newer version still ran. I then located and deleted the > hidden directory and it still runs. I have not tried doing a > configuration and changing that or anything. I hope some of this helps > you. I know how frustrating it can be trying to figure this stuff out > for yourself. Let me know if I canhelp you in any way. > > 73 and good luck. > Roy N9RG > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [digitalradio] Linux packages for Ubuntu
Rick, I am sorry you are having all these problems while it worked for me on 7.10 first time. Have you looked through the messages in Dave's group. There may be an answer there or somebody may be able to help you. Darrel On 27-Nov-07, at 4:59 PM, Rick wrote: Thanks Howard, I did try 1.37 but no difference. It unrolls OK and all that, but then the executable file is not operative. Very frustrating. This seems to be the problem with Linux. There is some "little" thing that just does not work. In the past I was able to download binaries and get them to work OK. But this is such a non starter for most people. 73, Rick, KV9U
Re: [digitalradio] Linux packages for Ubuntu
Rick, As I said, I am no Linux or Ubuntu expert. Here is what I did, though. For the older version 1.37 (or what ever) of the fldigi program, I simply installed it using the Synaptic Agent. I then had to navigate to usr/bin directory, find the fldigi file and click on it to run it. You should also be able to open a terminal and do the same thing from the command line. For the newer version 2.04 of fldigi, I downloaded the .tgz file, uncompressed it and ran the extracted file. That placed a file called fldigi in my home directory, /home/roy in my case. I can click on that file and fldigi runs for me. I have not tried playing around with it to see what it will do. I think perhaps it is time for me to spend some time with the help files. I am able to run the fldigi file whether I am using Gnome or KDE. At first I did not delete a hidden .fldigi directory. The newer version still ran. I then located and deleted the hidden directory and it still runs. I have not tried doing a configuration and changing that or anything. I hope some of this helps you. I know how frustrating it can be trying to figure this stuff out for yourself. Let me know if I canhelp you in any way. 73 and good luck. Roy N9RG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rick wrote: > > It seems impossible that this stuff doesn't work, but it must be some > "little" thing that I am missing. I did discover the use of control H to > toggle the hidden files. The program unfortunately doesn't do anything > and it does not seem to do an installation and there is no fldigi in the > usr/bin folder either. I have downloaded the .tgz compressed binaries > several times from W1HKJ so it is not likely to be corrupted files. > > 73, > > Rick, KV9U > > Darrel Smith wrote: > > Rick > > I have downloaded and installed all those apps on my kubuntu 7.10 with > > little problem. When I start the download it asks me if I would like > > to use "Ark" which I do then extract the file to my home folder and > > everything works right away by clicking on the icon in the home > > folder. For fldigi, make sure you have hamlib installed and if you > > have installed an older version trsh the hidden folder .fldigi. I > > noticed that the repository installs fldigi in the usr/bin folder. > > > > Hope that is ome help. > > > >
Re: [digitalradio] Linux packages for Ubuntu
Thanks Howard, I did try 1.37 but no difference. It unrolls OK and all that, but then the executable file is not operative. Very frustrating. This seems to be the problem with Linux. There is some "little" thing that just does not work. In the past I was able to download binaries and get them to work OK. But this is such a non starter for most people. 73, Rick, KV9U Howard Brown wrote: > Rick, this may have changed but my version of FLDIGI > was very simple (1.37). > > I downloaded it to my preferred download directory > which is /home/hb/downloads/fldigi ... > > Then I double cliked it to bring up File Roller. Then > I clicked extract, created a new directory /home/hb/ > fldigi and extracted the single file to this directory. > > Then I double click on the program and it runs. This > is as simple as it gets. Maybe version 2 is different? > > Howard K5HB
Re: [digitalradio] Linux packages for Ubuntu
Yes, I did but the program will not start anyway. Howard K5hb - Original Message From: Darrel Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:44:00 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux packages for Ubuntu You must trash the .fldigi folder when upgrading to 2.0 I have found. Darrel On 27-Nov-07, at 8:33 AM, Howard Brown wrote: Rick, I tried to upgrade from 1.37 to 2.04 and had a similar problem. I will email you a tar/gz of 1.37. I am not sure it works with FLARQ but it does include PSK250 so it is worth a try. I am running FLDIGI 2.01 on another computer but the operating system is not UBUNTU - it is puppy. Howard K5HB
Re: [digitalradio] Linux packages for Ubuntu
You must trash the .fldigi folder when upgrading to 2.0 I have found. Darrel On 27-Nov-07, at 8:33 AM, Howard Brown wrote: Rick, I tried to upgrade from 1.37 to 2.04 and had a similar problem. I will email you a tar/gz of 1.37. I am not sure it works with FLARQ but it does include PSK250 so it is worth a try. I am running FLDIGI 2.01 on another computer but the operating system is not UBUNTU - it is puppy. Howard K5HB
Re: [digitalradio] Linux packages for Ubuntu
Rick, I tried to upgrade from 1.37 to 2.04 and had a similar problem. I will email you a tar/gz of 1.37. I am not sure it works with FLARQ but it does include PSK250 so it is worth a try. I am running FLDIGI 2.01 on another computer but the operating system is not UBUNTU - it is puppy. Howard K5HB - Original Message From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 8:51:33 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux packages for Ubuntu It seems impossible that this stuff doesn't work, but it must be some "little" thing that I am missing. I did discover the use of control H to toggle the hidden files. The program unfortunately doesn't do anything and it does not seem to do an installation and there is no fldigi in the usr/bin folder either. I have downloaded the .tgz compressed binaries several times from W1HKJ so it is not likely to be corrupted files. 73, Rick, KV9U Darrel Smith wrote: > Rick > I have downloaded and installed all those apps on my kubuntu 7.10 with > little problem. When I start the download it asks me if I would like > to use "Ark" which I do then extract the file to my home folder and > everything works right away by clicking on the icon in the home > folder. For fldigi, make sure you have hamlib installed and if you > have installed an older version trsh the hidden folder .fldigi. I > noticed that the repository installs fldigi in the usr/bin folder. > > Hope that is ome help. >
Re: [digitalradio] Linux packages for Ubuntu
Rick, this may have changed but my version of FLDIGI was very simple (1.37). I downloaded it to my preferred download directory which is /home/hb/downloads/fldigi ... Then I double cliked it to bring up File Roller. Then I clicked extract, created a new directory /home/hb/ fldigi and extracted the single file to this directory. Then I double click on the program and it runs. This is as simple as it gets. Maybe version 2 is different? Howard K5HB From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:41:16 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Linux packages for Ubuntu I am trying (yet again) to use Linux in a practical manner. With my older computer the newest version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) has the correct drivers for my 22" Samsung Monitor. I have downloaded fldigi, geoid, fl_logbook, and flarq. I double click on the binary .tgz and it brings up File Roller (not exactly what the help says, but this is Linux and there are some gotchas and what some might call small errors, but frustrating when you trying to do it right). It is not as intuitive as Windows programs, but I am thinking I am doing the right thing and trying to extract the components. It seems to be happening and then I have a representation of the program as an icon and the properties of the icon says it is an executable program. In some cases there is yet another installation script but when I run that, nothing happens. None of the binaries will actually work.. Except on time I did get fldigi to come up on the screen, but after that ... nothing. So I have to be doing one or more things wrong. I have spent quite a few hours trying to figure this out, but no luck so far. Anyone have an idea what needs to be done in addition to what I am trying to do? I might mention that I was able to use Synaptic to retrieve the binaries for gMFSK and XLog and they both installed OK and it put the apps in a menu called "Other." Oddly, when I tried to do the same with the older version of fldigi, v. 1.33 (new is 2.04) it did not work either. 73, Rick, KV9U Paul L Schmidt, K9PS wrote: > Yes - fldigi doesn't (at least, not yet) support MT-63. I found > the ubuntu repository and the gmfsk package... although I'll have > to do some research to tell him how to get it installed. He's > a Linux very-newbie, and I'm a Linux old-timer but haven't used > ubuntu enough to know how to have it fetch the packages. I shouldn't > have any problems getting that figured out, though. I survived the > transition from SLS to Slackware's .tgz files to RedHat RPM's :) > > > Thanks for the info. > > 73, > > Paul / K9PS >
Re: [digitalradio] Linux packages for Ubuntu
It seems impossible that this stuff doesn't work, but it must be some "little" thing that I am missing. I did discover the use of control H to toggle the hidden files. The program unfortunately doesn't do anything and it does not seem to do an installation and there is no fldigi in the usr/bin folder either. I have downloaded the .tgz compressed binaries several times from W1HKJ so it is not likely to be corrupted files. 73, Rick, KV9U Darrel Smith wrote: > Rick > I have downloaded and installed all those apps on my kubuntu 7.10 with > little problem. When I start the download it asks me if I would like > to use "Ark" which I do then extract the file to my home folder and > everything works right away by clicking on the icon in the home > folder. For fldigi, make sure you have hamlib installed and if you > have installed an older version trsh the hidden folder .fldigi. I > noticed that the repository installs fldigi in the usr/bin folder. > > Hope that is ome help. >
Re: [digitalradio] Linux packages for Ubuntu
Good morning, Rick. I am not an Ubuntu expert by any stretch of the imagination. I have been playing around with it a bit, though. I also downloaded the fldigi package using Synaptic. The installer does not put an icon on your desktop, or an item in your menu. Here's what I had to do: Use your file browser to go to the /usr/bin directory. There you will find a file called 'fldigi'. Click on that and the program will run. Now I have to figure out how to install the newer version of the program that is not in the Synaptic repository yet. I also have to figure out how to get Ubuntu to recognize my rig interface which is connected using a USB to serial adapter. So many things to do . . . Good luck and 73. Roy N9RG Rick wrote: > > I am trying (yet again) to use Linux in a practical manner. With my > older computer the newest version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) has the > correct drivers for my 22" Samsung Monitor. I have downloaded fldigi, > geoid, fl_logbook, and flarq. I double click on the binary .tgz and it > brings up File Roller (not exactly what the help says, but this is Linux > and there are some gotchas and what some might call small errors, but > frustrating when you trying to do it right). It is not as intuitive as > Windows programs, but I am thinking I am doing the right thing and > trying to extract the components. It seems to be happening and then I > have a representation of the program as an icon and the properties of > the icon says it is an executable program. > > In some cases there is yet another installation script but when I run > that, nothing happens. None of the binaries will actually work.. Except > on time I did get fldigi to come up on the screen, but after that ... > nothing. So I have to be doing one or more things wrong. I have spent > quite a few hours trying to figure this out, but no luck so far. > > Anyone have an idea what needs to be done in addition to what I am > trying to do? > > I might mention that I was able to use Synaptic to retrieve the binaries > for gMFSK and XLog and they both installed OK and it put the apps in a > menu called "Other." Oddly, when I tried to do the same with the older > version of fldigi, v. 1.33 (new is 2.04) it did not work either. > > 73, > > Rick, KV9U > > Paul L Schmidt, K9PS wrote: > > Yes - fldigi doesn't (at least, not yet) support MT-63. I found > > the ubuntu repository and the gmfsk package... although I'll have > > to do some research to tell him how to get it installed. He's > > a Linux very-newbie, and I'm a Linux old-timer but haven't used > > ubuntu enough to know how to have it fetch the packages. I shouldn't > > have any problems getting that figured out, though. I survived the > > transition from SLS to Slackware's .tgz files to RedHat RPM's :) > > > > > > Thanks for the info. > > > > 73, > > > > Paul / K9PS > > > >
Re: [digitalradio] Linux packages for Ubuntu
Rick I have downloaded and installed all those apps on my kubuntu 7.10 with little problem. When I start the download it asks me if I would like to use "Ark" which I do then extract the file to my home folder and everything works right away by clicking on the icon in the home folder. For fldigi, make sure you have hamlib installed and if you have installed an older version trsh the hidden folder .fldigi. I noticed that the repository installs fldigi in the usr/bin folder. Hope that is ome help. Darrel, VE7CUS On 26-Nov-07, at 5:41 PM, Rick wrote: I am trying (yet again) to use Linux in a practical manner. With my older computer the newest version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) has the correct drivers for my 22" Samsung Monitor. I have downloaded fldigi, geoid, fl_logbook, and flarq. I double click on the binary .tgz and it brings up File Roller (not exactly what the help says, but this is Linux and there are some gotchas and what some might call small errors, but frustrating when you trying to do it right). It is not as intuitive as Windows programs, but I am thinking I am doing the right thing and trying to extract the components. It seems to be happening and then I have a representation of the program as an icon and the properties of the icon says it is an executable program. In some cases there is yet another installation script but when I run that, nothing happens. None of the binaries will actually work.. Except on time I did get fldigi to come up on the screen, but after that ... nothing. So I have to be doing one or more things wrong. I have spent quite a few hours trying to figure this out, but no luck so far. Anyone have an idea what needs to be done in addition to what I am trying to do? I might mention that I was able to use Synaptic to retrieve the binaries for gMFSK and XLog and they both installed OK and it put the apps in a menu called "Other." Oddly, when I tried to do the same with the older version of fldigi, v. 1.33 (new is 2.04) it did not work either. 73, Rick, KV9U Paul L Schmidt, K9PS wrote: > Yes - fldigi doesn't (at least, not yet) support MT-63. I found > the ubuntu repository and the gmfsk package... although I'll have > to do some research to tell him how to get it installed. He's > a Linux very-newbie, and I'm a Linux old-timer but haven't used > ubuntu enough to know how to have it fetch the packages. I shouldn't > have any problems getting that figured out, though. I survived the > transition from SLS to Slackware's .tgz files to RedHat RPM's :) > > > Thanks for the info. > > 73, > > Paul / K9PS >
[digitalradio] Linux packages for Ubuntu
I am trying (yet again) to use Linux in a practical manner. With my older computer the newest version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) has the correct drivers for my 22" Samsung Monitor. I have downloaded fldigi, geoid, fl_logbook, and flarq. I double click on the binary .tgz and it brings up File Roller (not exactly what the help says, but this is Linux and there are some gotchas and what some might call small errors, but frustrating when you trying to do it right). It is not as intuitive as Windows programs, but I am thinking I am doing the right thing and trying to extract the components. It seems to be happening and then I have a representation of the program as an icon and the properties of the icon says it is an executable program. In some cases there is yet another installation script but when I run that, nothing happens. None of the binaries will actually work.. Except on time I did get fldigi to come up on the screen, but after that ... nothing. So I have to be doing one or more things wrong. I have spent quite a few hours trying to figure this out, but no luck so far. Anyone have an idea what needs to be done in addition to what I am trying to do? I might mention that I was able to use Synaptic to retrieve the binaries for gMFSK and XLog and they both installed OK and it put the apps in a menu called "Other." Oddly, when I tried to do the same with the older version of fldigi, v. 1.33 (new is 2.04) it did not work either. 73, Rick, KV9U Paul L Schmidt, K9PS wrote: > Yes - fldigi doesn't (at least, not yet) support MT-63. I found > the ubuntu repository and the gmfsk package... although I'll have > to do some research to tell him how to get it installed. He's > a Linux very-newbie, and I'm a Linux old-timer but haven't used > ubuntu enough to know how to have it fetch the packages. I shouldn't > have any problems getting that figured out, though. I survived the > transition from SLS to Slackware's .tgz files to RedHat RPM's :) > > > Thanks for the info. > > 73, > > Paul / K9PS >
[digitalradio] Linux amd PSKMAIL ?
On 9/2/07, Leigh L Klotz, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 1. Stick CD into computer > 2. Reboot > > How much simpler can it get? > I have found it to be that simple with FL-DIGI but Rick and others have run in to conflicts with video cards or soundcards. It is not always as simple as I have found. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Linux capable digital interfaces
Thanks Per, only the USB II works with Linux, I have a Microkeyer. Andy. On 8/29/07, Per <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Says here that linux does support it: > www.wimo.com/soundcard-interfaces_e.html > > Kernels 2.6.17.8 and on should work, did you try a newer kernel? > > 73 de Per, sm0rwo > > - Original Message > From: Andrew O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:30:49 PM > Subject: [digitalradio] Linux capable digital interfaces > > I'm interested in playing around with a few digital mode applications > that require linux. My digital modes interface, the Microkeyer, > requires device drivers that will not work on linux. I'm not sure I > have the energy to build an interface, so I am wondering if there are > any basic interfaces out there that will work easily with linux (for > PTT, rig control, etc)? I can use either serial ports or USB ports, > but USB may be a bit more useful. > > I can , I guess, PTT the TS-2000 already using a basic RS232 serial > cable, but I am lacking digital signal from PC to the rig for > transmit, and some isolation circuitry. Since this is for occasional > use only, I'm not looking to buy a expensive interface. > > Andu K3UK > > > > -- > Pinpoint customers > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48250/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v9.php?o=US2226&cmp=Yahoo&ctv=AprNI&s=Y&s2=EM&b=50>who > are looking for what you sell. > > >
Re: [digitalradio] Linux capable digital interfaces
Andy, I am using two transformers, 0ne 1:1 ratio, 600 ohms (RX), and another 10 kohms : 600 ohms (TX), plus a TIL111 optocoupler for PTT from COM 1 (should say /dev/ttyS0...) using the RTS line to close the PTT contact thru the optocoupler's transistor. It has worked well with fldigi and gmfsk Maybe something more elaborate could be necesaary for other modes, but as the saying goes, there is nothong more permanent than a temporary solution. My TX attenuator is the 10k:600 ohms transformer. (Scrounging pays off in the long run...) 73, Jose, CO2JA --- Andrew O'Brien wrote: > I'm interested in playing around with a few digital mode applications > that require linux. My digital modes interface, the Microkeyer, > requires device drivers that will not work on linux. I'm not sure I > have the energy to build an interface, so I am wondering if there are > any basic interfaces out there that will work easily with linux (for > PTT, rig control, etc)? I can use either serial ports or USB ports, > but USB may be a bit more useful. > > I can , I guess, PTT the TS-2000 already using a basic RS232 serial > cable, but I am lacking digital signal from PC to the rig for > transmit, and some isolation circuitry. Since this is for occasional > use only, I'm not looking to buy a expensive interface. > > Andu K3UK __ Participe en Universidad 2008. 11 al 15 de febrero del 2008. Palacio de las Convenciones, Ciudad de la Habana, Cuba http://www.universidad2008.cu
Re: [digitalradio] Linux capable digital interfaces
Andu, I connect the computer to my TS-480 directly with no interface on the input and output audio using fldigi with no problems. I can use either the comm port or the usb-rs232 adapter for keying the rig. I have used this setup for psk31, RTTY and pskmail. I think the TS-2000 is similar to the 480 so everything is connected to the DATA din jack. Darrel, VE7CUS On 28-Aug-07, at 11:30 AM, Andrew O'Brien wrote: I'm interested in playing around with a few digital mode applications that require linux. My digital modes interface, the Microkeyer, requires device drivers that will not work on linux. I'm not sure I have the energy to build an interface, so I am wondering if there are any basic interfaces out there that will work easily with linux (for PTT, rig control, etc)? I can use either serial ports or USB ports, but USB may be a bit more useful. I can , I guess, PTT the TS-2000 already using a basic RS232 serial cable, but I am lacking digital signal from PC to the rig for transmit, and some isolation circuitry. Since this is for occasional use only, I'm not looking to buy a expensive interface. Andu K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Linux capable digital interfaces
Says here that linux does support it: www.wimo.com/soundcard-interfaces_e.html Kernels 2.6.17.8 and on should work, did you try a newer kernel? 73 de Per, sm0rwo - Original Message From: Andrew O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:30:49 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Linux capable digital interfaces I'm interested in playing around with a few digital mode applications that require linux. My digital modes interface, the Microkeyer, requires device drivers that will not work on linux. I'm not sure I have the energy to build an interface, so I am wondering if there are any basic interfaces out there that will work easily with linux (for PTT, rig control, etc)? I can use either serial ports or USB ports, but USB may be a bit more useful. I can , I guess, PTT the TS-2000 already using a basic RS232 serial cable, but I am lacking digital signal from PC to the rig for transmit, and some isolation circuitry. Since this is for occasional use only, I'm not looking to buy a expensive interface. Andu K3UK Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
Re: [digitalradio] Linux capable digital interfaces
Since this is for occasional use only, consider using VOX to key the rig. I am doing this on sound card modes successfully using gMFSK. In my experience to date I have had trouble only with RFSM2400, which required me to reduce my VOX delay on the TS-2000 to less than 1/2 second. This is the only sound card program I have used which is TOR. BTW, I use an old Rigblaster M8, still works fine. Howard K5HB - Original Message From: Andrew O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:30:49 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Linux capable digital interfaces I'm interested in playing around with a few digital mode applications that require linux. My digital modes interface, the Microkeyer, requires device drivers that will not work on linux. I'm not sure I have the energy to build an interface, so I am wondering if there are any basic interfaces out there that will work easily with linux (for PTT, rig control, etc)? I can use either serial ports or USB ports, but USB may be a bit more useful. I can , I guess, PTT the TS-2000 already using a basic RS232 serial cable, but I am lacking digital signal from PC to the rig for transmit, and some isolation circuitry. Since this is for occasional use only, I'm not looking to buy a expensive interface. Andu K3UK
[digitalradio] Linux capable digital interfaces
I'm interested in playing around with a few digital mode applications that require linux. My digital modes interface, the Microkeyer, requires device drivers that will not work on linux. I'm not sure I have the energy to build an interface, so I am wondering if there are any basic interfaces out there that will work easily with linux (for PTT, rig control, etc)? I can use either serial ports or USB ports, but USB may be a bit more useful. I can , I guess, PTT the TS-2000 already using a basic RS232 serial cable, but I am lacking digital signal from PC to the rig for transmit, and some isolation circuitry. Since this is for occasional use only, I'm not looking to buy a expensive interface. Andu K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Linux WINE users who use Win XP Ham Digital Programs
Thanks for your quick response, Howard, I do have gMFSK, gpsk31 and kpsk as test programs to try and figure out why I can not get fldigi to work. It is not the fault of a single program, but there may be incompatibilities with these programs and my computer components. I can get RigCat to work OK when controlling it from the Command Line and yet when it runs through other programs such as fldigi , it has a great deal of latency and once you hit PTT it can not stop TXing. Also, none of these programs are able to use the sound card even though Audacity works with no problem. It has been perplexing to say the least. Everything worked fine in the past with XP and I even started wondering if I had an equipment failure and went back to XP to see if things were still working and everything worked fine. There are modes on Multipsk that I need to run and they are not available on Linux at this time so that is why I was hoping that it would be possible to run these kinds of programs under WINE. The other interest was PSKmail, but to be honest I don't think this mode will be successful here in the U.S. until there is a cross platform version, or more likely, something to replace it on the MS Windows side. I entertained thoughts of using it for emergency communications, but no others in my area would even consider using it so it just is not practical. I have tried about 10 GNU/Linux versions, including Ubuntu Feisty Fawn, but no luck with the video support with my hardware:( 73, Rick, KV9U Howard Brown wrote: > Rick, my answer to your question is no (I do not have > those two programs running as well under Wine/Linux). > > I do have a rig control program running under Wine > for my TS-2000 - ARCS II by WB5KIA. There may be > others for your rig. > > gMFSK IS an excellent sound card program for > Linux. Although the name implies it only does MFSK, > it does several other modes as well. > > There are several PSK31 programs included in some > distributions. > > I use a native Linux application called kamplus to > control my KAM+ tnc. It does not talk to Winlink > 2000 although it does work with earlier versions > of Winlink. I know that a couple of people are > working on a native Linux application to work with > Winlink 2000. > > PSKMail is a native Linux app that does email and uses > another excellent sound card program called fldigi. > > There is one sound card program called 'hf' (aka hfterm) > that will work Pactor 1 (and other modes). I had trouble > setting that one up so I went back to kamplus. > > I am able to run Airmail under Wine but it is fragile > and some parts do not seem to function there. > > Best of luck. Oh BTW, I use UBUNTU 7.04. It seems to > run all my hardware well and is guaranteed to be > free forever. > > Howard K5HB
Re: [digitalradio] Linux WINE users who use Win XP Ham Digital Programs
Rick, my answer to your question is no (I do not have those two programs running as well under Wine/Linux). I do have a rig control program running under Wine for my TS-2000 - ARCS II by WB5KIA. There may be others for your rig. gMFSK IS an excellent sound card program for Linux. Although the name implies it only does MFSK, it does several other modes as well. There are several PSK31 programs included in some distributions. I use a native Linux application called kamplus to control my KAM+ tnc. It does not talk to Winlink 2000 although it does work with earlier versions of Winlink. I know that a couple of people are working on a native Linux application to work with Winlink 2000. PSKMail is a native Linux app that does email and uses another excellent sound card program called fldigi. There is one sound card program called 'hf' (aka hfterm) that will work Pactor 1 (and other modes). I had trouble setting that one up so I went back to kamplus. I am able to run Airmail under Wine but it is fragile and some parts do not seem to function there. Best of luck. Oh BTW, I use UBUNTU 7.04. It seems to run all my hardware well and is guaranteed to be free forever. Howard K5HB - Original Message From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2007 8:46:15 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Linux WINE users who use Win XP Ham Digital Programs Some background: I have two computers that I use with a KVM switch. The older Emachines (Pentium 4/512 Meg RAM), has been returned to Windows XP as I was not able to get it to run my widescreen LCD adequately with Linux OS with the Intel on-board video. The newer computer is an HP (AMD 4600+ Athlon 64 X2/2 Gig RAM) that had Vista, but since Vista could not run some programs due to a serious defect in Windows Explorer File Manger, I removed Vista and installed Linux Mepis when I discovered that it was the first version of GNU/Linux that could (mostly) support my widescreen. What I am trying to accomplish: I have wanted to experiment with Linux for some time, and have tried some dual boots in past years, but it just could not compare to MS OS's, particularly to XP which I use as the benchmark. GNU/Linux versions are getting better although I still do not find the screen quality (particularly the fonts) to be adequate enough for serious use for web browsing, word processing, e-mail, etc. on my system, so I am still doing that on XP. This is not too much of a set back for me as the new computer can be used as my experimental platform and can operate my amateur radio activities, particularly digital applications. At this time I have not had any luck getting any Linux sound card digital programs to work. This is not as bad as it sounds, since there are no comparable Linux programs that can compare with Multipsk/DX Lab Commander or Ham Radio Deluxe/Digital Master 780 at this time. The big question: Are there any of you Linux users who have had good success with these last two programs running under WINE and have found Linux to be capable of running them as well as they run in XP? 73, Rick, KV9U
[digitalradio] Linux WINE users who use Win XP Ham Digital Programs
Some background: I have two computers that I use with a KVM switch. The older Emachines (Pentium 4/512 Meg RAM), has been returned to Windows XP as I was not able to get it to run my widescreen LCD adequately with Linux OS with the Intel on-board video. The newer computer is an HP (AMD 4600+ Athlon 64 X2/2 Gig RAM) that had Vista, but since Vista could not run some programs due to a serious defect in Windows Explorer File Manger, I removed Vista and installed Linux Mepis when I discovered that it was the first version of GNU/Linux that could (mostly) support my widescreen. What I am trying to accomplish: I have wanted to experiment with Linux for some time, and have tried some dual boots in past years, but it just could not compare to MS OS's, particularly to XP which I use as the benchmark. GNU/Linux versions are getting better although I still do not find the screen quality (particularly the fonts) to be adequate enough for serious use for web browsing, word processing, e-mail, etc. on my system, so I am still doing that on XP. This is not too much of a set back for me as the new computer can be used as my experimental platform and can operate my amateur radio activities, particularly digital applications. At this time I have not had any luck getting any Linux sound card digital programs to work. This is not as bad as it sounds, since there are no comparable Linux programs that can compare with Multipsk/DX Lab Commander or Ham Radio Deluxe/Digital Master 780 at this time. The big question: Are there any of you Linux users who have had good success with these last two programs running under WINE and have found Linux to be capable of running them as well as they run in XP? 73, Rick, KV9U
Re: [digitalradio] Linux software
Maybe not so much in the U.S. but many in Europe and elsewhere in the world they do. Walt/K5YFW Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote: > I think gmfsk does mt63 so it shouldn't be hard for fldigi to do it. > Does anybody but MARS use it? > Leigh/WA5ZNU > > > > Announce your digital presence via our DX Cluster > telnet://cluster.dynalias.org > > Our other groups: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxlist/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contesting > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wnyar > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omnibus97 > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
Re: [digitalradio] Linux software
I think gmfsk does mt63 so it shouldn't be hard for fldigi to do it. Does anybody but MARS use it? Leigh/WA5ZNU
Re: [digitalradio] Linux software
Clarification... "Except MT63" was reference to fldigi. Paul L Schmidt, K9PS wrote: > Except MT63... > > Darrel Smith wrote: >> I agree with Per that Fldigi does every mode you would want for digital >> modes although I use cocoamodem on my Mac for day to day use as it has a >> few features fldigi does not have yet and macros are easier to set up >> quickly for net use. >> >> Darrel
Re: [digitalradio] Linux software
Except MT63... Darrel Smith wrote: > I agree with Per that Fldigi does every mode you would want for digital > modes although I use cocoamodem on my Mac for day to day use as it has a > few features fldigi does not have yet and macros are easier to set up > quickly for net use. > > Darrel >
Re: [digitalradio] Linux software
I agree with Per that Fldigi does every mode you would want for digital modes although I use cocoamodem on my Mac for day to day use as it has a few features fldigi does not have yet and macros are easier to set up quickly for net use. Darrel On 6-Feb-07, at 12:59 PM, Per wrote: fldigi does all that and more: http://www.w1hkj.com/Fldigi.html Here's more than you probably need: http://radio.linux.org.au/ How old is the pc ? 73 de Per, sm0rwo --- Kurt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a older computer that I am thinking about > setting up and using > Linux(want to try it). Is there a lot of software > for digital modes for > linux, I mainly do PSK31,Hell and RTTY. > Any help/suggestions would be welcomed. > > 73 > Kurt > K8YZK > > __ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail
Re: [digitalradio] Linux software
On Feb 6, 2007, at 3:31 PM, Kurt wrote: > I have a older computer that I am thinking about setting up and using > Linux(want to try it). Is there a lot of software for digital modes > for > linux, I mainly do PSK31,Hell and RTTY. > Any help/suggestions would be welcomed. gmfsk -- http://gmfsk.connect.fi/ will do it all. -- Alex / AB2RC My rechargeable batteries are revolting.
Re: [digitalradio] Linux software
fldigi does all that and more: http://www.w1hkj.com/Fldigi.html Here's more than you probably need: http://radio.linux.org.au/ How old is the pc ? 73 de Per, sm0rwo --- Kurt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a older computer that I am thinking about > setting up and using > Linux(want to try it). Is there a lot of software > for digital modes for > linux, I mainly do PSK31,Hell and RTTY. > Any help/suggestions would be welcomed. > > 73 > Kurt > K8YZK > > Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail
[digitalradio] Linux software
I have a older computer that I am thinking about setting up and using Linux(want to try it). Is there a lot of software for digital modes for linux, I mainly do PSK31,Hell and RTTY. Any help/suggestions would be welcomed. 73 Kurt K8YZK
[digitalradio] Linux Kernel Developers Offer Free Driver Development
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Re: [digitalradio] Linux digital software
give this knoppix CD a spin ... its pretty much a copy of my debian system and desktop. its about as PNP as they come. http://hamshack-hack.sourceforge.net/ Harv, n9ai On 12/12/06, Michael P. Brininstool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I actually enjoy the Linux vs. Windows debate, but will not continue it here. I have been using Unix/Linux mostly for the last 20 years, and 2 years ago, got rid of my last windows installation. I will never go back.. I have an ICOM 720A and an ICOM 756 Pro II and have the serial to CIV interface for both. The 720A came with it, and the one for the 756 ProII I made and checked for functionality with friend's system. That said, I want to try the digital modes and do not know where to even start. I currently run Fedora Core 5 (but could change) and would like recommendations on software to use for digital modes. Since I know little about digital modes, turnkey would be nice! ;-) I would like to run both radios at once, but that is not necessary. Do any of you Linux people have recommendations?
Re: [digitalradio] Linux digital software
Michael P. Brininstool wrote: > I actually enjoy the Linux vs. Windows debate, but will not continue it > here. > I have been using Unix/Linux mostly for the last 20 years, and 2 years ago, > got rid of my last windows installation. I will never go back.. > > I have an ICOM 720A and an ICOM 756 Pro II and have the serial to CIV > interface for both. The 720A came with it, and the one for the 756 ProII I > made and checked for functionality with friend's system. > > That said, I want to try the digital modes and do not know where to even > start. > I currently run Fedora Core 5 (but could change) and would like > recommendations on software to use for digital modes. Since I know little > about digital modes, turnkey would be nice! ;-) > > I would like to run both radios at once, but that is not necessary. Do any > of you Linux people have recommendations? I am trying to get my Ham gear all working under Puppy Linux 2.12 because it is small, quick, free, and the developers are very responsive. I have found a mix of Linux logging, Pskmail, rig control, sstv, aprs, and other Ham tools online. Am just trying to sort out a couple of things on my laptop Linux install and then intend to begin loading and testing Ham apps. If you make any progress with Puppy Linux and Ham apps I'd sure love to hear about them! NOTE: The logging app runs under Java and works on Apple, Linux, and the various MS versions of windows. -- Thanks! & 73, doc, KD4E ... in sunny & warm Florida :-) ~~~ Thank our brave soldiers this season: http://www.letssaythanks.com/Home1024.html ~~~ URL: bibleseven (dot) com
Re: [digitalradio] Linux digital software
Michael P. Brininstool wrote: > > > I actually enjoy the Linux vs. Windows debate, but will not continue it > here. > I have been using Unix/Linux mostly for the last 20 years, and 2 years ago, > got rid of my last windows installation. I will never go back.. > > I have an ICOM 720A and an ICOM 756 Pro II and have the serial to CIV > interface for both. The 720A came with it, and the one for the 756 ProII I > made and checked for functionality with friend's system. > > That said, I want to try the digital modes and do not know where to even > start. > I currently run Fedora Core 5 (but could change) and would like > recommendations on software to use for digital modes. Since I know little > about digital modes, turnkey would be nice! ;-) > > I would like to run both radios at once, but that is not necessary. Do any > of you Linux people have recommendations? > For keyboard to keyboard modes, you can use GMFSK [1], or fldigi[2]. You can also try PSKMail[3] for mail delivering. You can control your rigs via hamlib [4]. 73 de Nestor, CM3NA [1] http://gmfsk.connect.fi/ [2] http://www.w1hkj.com/Fldigi.html [3] http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/ [4] http://hamlib.sourceforge.net/ __ XIII Convención Científica de Ingeniería y Arquitectura 28/noviembre al 1/diciembre de 2006 Cujae, Ciudad de la Habana, Cuba http://www.cujae.edu.cu/eventos/convencion
[digitalradio] Linux digital software
I actually enjoy the Linux vs. Windows debate, but will not continue it here. I have been using Unix/Linux mostly for the last 20 years, and 2 years ago, got rid of my last windows installation. I will never go back.. I have an ICOM 720A and an ICOM 756 Pro II and have the serial to CIV interface for both. The 720A came with it, and the one for the 756 ProII I made and checked for functionality with friend's system. That said, I want to try the digital modes and do not know where to even start. I currently run Fedora Core 5 (but could change) and would like recommendations on software to use for digital modes. Since I know little about digital modes, turnkey would be nice! ;-) I would like to run both radios at once, but that is not necessary. Do any of you Linux people have recommendations?
Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
When I click reply to your message and I'm in the reply message window, I first click on "Format" at the top, then scroll down to "plain text" and click on that. That will eliminate all the garbage and creates a clean, plain text message. I did that for yours here as well; your message is in Rich Text format, with all sorts of "garbage info" on the right hand side in my reply to you before I removed it. Then, I deleted EVERYTHING below only the most important comment of your message that I wanted to have remain and showed that with >SNIP< Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN - Original Message - From: Kevin O'Rorke To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!! Totally Off subject, but every time I try to do a "reply", because of all the @[EMAIL PROTECTED]&* add's on the right hand side of the message, it is impossible to get my text in the right place. is there any way of getting rid of those adds'?? >SNIP< >SNIP<
Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
Totally Off subject, but every time I try to do a "reply", because of all the @[EMAIL PROTECTED]&* add's on the right hand side of the message, it is impossible to get my text in the right place. is there any way of getting rid of those adds'?? Kevin VK5OA
Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: > Roger, > > All of these things have a LOT to do with digital operation. The > rules, the modes, the operating systems and programs are all a vital > part. Sorry, I disagree. You could transplant this Windows v. Linux thread into the photography and other groups that I belong to and no one would know the difference. This tiresome subject comes up in almost every technical Yahoo group to which I belong, and has been removed from most of them. This group was supposed to be about digital communications, not purely computer issues. If it is going to turn into a computer OS forum, then I guess we might as well find out. de Roger W6VZV
RE: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
Rick et. al. My hope is that anyone writing a new mode/modem would try to the extent possible to insure that the application/modem had ports to at least MS W2K, XP and Linux and a desire to also have it ported to OS-X...however the Linux port should be able to port to OS-X. Walt/K5YFW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of KV9U Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:33 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!! Roger, All of these things have a LOT to do with digital operation. The rules, the modes, the operating systems and programs are all a vital part. Some moderators get extreme about some issues and some are more open minded, but moderators can be dictators and if you don't like the tone, the only solution is to form a group that allows discussion of all the issues as the members choose to do so. Are you going to do that? The fact is that Linux OS is going to be an item of discussion from time to time, and it would not surprise me if it became more commonly discussed since more hams are moving toward Linux and the associated programs. We are at the point now where there are some programs on Linux that are just not available on MS-OS's. And this group is a world wide group, not just for the U.S. 73, Rick, KV9U Roger J. Buffington wrote: >>What does any of this have to do with digital radio? Mr. Moderator, why >>is this thread, which has nothing to do with amateur radio, let alone >>digital radio, permitted, whereas threads dealing with the >>legality/illegality of modes and the new regs, are not? >> >>de Roger W6VZV >> >> >> Connect to telnet://cluster.dynalias.org a single node spotting/alert system dedicated to digital and CW QSOs. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
IMO, we need to keep abreast of all technologies, hardware and software that support digital radio. If I write a killer app that has all the current modes and a new HF mode that has a user throughput of 1200 WPM at a -10 dB SNR and within a 3 KHz bandpass but will only run on Linux and OS-X and keep the source code to myself and will not allow it to be ported to MS XP or W2K, then the OS does become a consideration...it might hamper the development and use of the mode or it might be so good that it drives most hams to use Linux. In this case, the OS is relevant to digital radio. 73, Walt/K5YFW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roger J. Buffington Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:57 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > I personally have never had *any* problems installing things I want > to run in Linux. I am not married to any windows applications either > though. There are Linux alternatives for nearly every windows > solution out there, to include programs that I want to use with my > radios. My personal experience has been that M$ has far less support > for older hardware and it is much harder to find drivers. It always > amuses me that somehow it is ok to hunt for 5 hours for a windows > driver that only works half right but it's not ok to have to spend 10 > minutes looking at a *nix log and changing a config file, goofy. The > problem isn't that Linux is hard to use it is that people have > significant "mindshare" built up in becomeing windows experts and are > unwilling to go through the process again for Linux. > What does any of this have to do with digital radio? Mr. Moderator, why is this thread, which has nothing to do with amateur radio, let alone digital radio, permitted, whereas threads dealing with the legality/illegality of modes and the new regs, are not? de Roger W6VZV Connect to telnet://cluster.dynalias.org a single node spotting/alert system dedicated to digital and CW QSOs. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
Roger, All of these things have a LOT to do with digital operation. The rules, the modes, the operating systems and programs are all a vital part. Some moderators get extreme about some issues and some are more open minded, but moderators can be dictators and if you don't like the tone, the only solution is to form a group that allows discussion of all the issues as the members choose to do so. Are you going to do that? The fact is that Linux OS is going to be an item of discussion from time to time, and it would not surprise me if it became more commonly discussed since more hams are moving toward Linux and the associated programs. We are at the point now where there are some programs on Linux that are just not available on MS-OS's. And this group is a world wide group, not just for the U.S. 73, Rick, KV9U Roger J. Buffington wrote: >>What does any of this have to do with digital radio? Mr. Moderator, why >>is this thread, which has nothing to do with amateur radio, let alone >>digital radio, permitted, whereas threads dealing with the >>legality/illegality of modes and the new regs, are not? >> >>de Roger W6VZV >> >> >>
Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
Not the moderator, but my comments are below. Erik KI4HMS/7 Roger J. Buffington wrote: > What does any of this have to do with digital radio? Mr. Moderator, why Perhaps because digital modes usually require the use of computers? Though I do agree the school yard king if the hill stuff gets real old real quick. > is this thread, which has nothing to do with amateur radio, let alone > digital radio, permitted, whereas threads dealing with the > legality/illegality of modes and the new regs, are not? > Perhaps because we spun of a dedicated and separate group to contain the mostly American political discussions? > de Roger W6VZV
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > I personally have never had *any* problems installing things I want > to run in Linux. I am not married to any windows applications either > though. There are Linux alternatives for nearly every windows > solution out there, to include programs that I want to use with my > radios. My personal experience has been that M$ has far less support > for older hardware and it is much harder to find drivers. It always > amuses me that somehow it is ok to hunt for 5 hours for a windows > driver that only works half right but it's not ok to have to spend 10 > minutes looking at a *nix log and changing a config file, goofy. The > problem isn't that Linux is hard to use it is that people have > significant "mindshare" built up in becomeing windows experts and are > unwilling to go through the process again for Linux. > What does any of this have to do with digital radio? Mr. Moderator, why is this thread, which has nothing to do with amateur radio, let alone digital radio, permitted, whereas threads dealing with the legality/illegality of modes and the new regs, are not? de Roger W6VZV
Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
>It always amuses me that somehow it is ok to hunt for 5 hours for a windows >driver that only works half right but it's not ok to have to >spend 10 minutes >looking at a *nix log and changing a config file, goofy. The problem isn't >that Linux is hard to use it is that people have >significant "mindshare" built up in becomeing windows experts and are >unwilling to go through the process again for Linux. First I am not a big fan of Windows and especially Billy Gates who steals everybody's ideas because he has the money and can. He just pays the antitrust fines or whatever meantime the poor bloke that came up with the idea/software goes in the poor house. Short version! But I never had to spent 5 hours looking for a windows driver but I have spent days trying to get a new version of a Linux program to work because of one missing dependency outta a dozen you need to install. I've spent 10 times as much time learning Linux with a fraction of the success as I have Windows. And if you go to a Linux forum and ask a question all you get is RTFM, doesn't matter that I have read a dozen of them or that yes I do have the answer in one of my MANY Linux books but really don't want to spend days figuring out which book it is in when some Linux guru could tell me in 39 seconds where I went wrong. I'll stick to Windows since it works 99% of the time with a 1000% less hassle. I don't want to be a Windows or a Linux guru I just want an OS that works with as little hassle as possible. A system that'll let me install the software I want without spending days chasing a rare dependency. Later Brad N1NPK
RE: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
>From: "Michael P. Brininstool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: 2006/11/29 Wed AM 10:12:23 CST >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!! > >From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >Kevin O'Rorke >Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:47 PM >To:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!! > > >Seriously, until Linux programs can be installed as easily and reliably >as Windows programs (I HAVE NEVER EVER HAD AN INSTALLATION PROBLEM IN >WIN) then Linux has not a dogs chance in Hell of competing with Windows. >I enjoy the challenge of fighting with Linux and consider myself an >apprentice geek in that realm, but really what John I personally have never had *any* problems installing things I want to run in Linux. I am not married to any windows applications either though. There are Linux alternatives for nearly every windows solution out there, to include programs that I want to use with my radios. My personal experience has been that M$ has far less support for older hardware and it is much harder to find drivers. It always amuses me that somehow it is ok to hunt for 5 hours for a windows driver that only works half right but it's not ok to have to spend 10 minutes looking at a *nix log and changing a config file, goofy. The problem isn't that Linux is hard to use it is that people have significant "mindshare" built up in becomeing windows experts and are unwilling to go through the process again for Linux.
RE: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
Are you referring to ham radio applications or other more "normal" applications? I haven't had any problems with normal/regular Linux programs and even many ham radio programs...but I'll admit that some of the ham radio progrmas take a lot of work to get them loaded correctly and running correctly. Walt/K5YFW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael P. Brininstool Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:12 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!! From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin O'Rorke Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:47 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!! Seriously, until Linux programs can be installed as easily and reliably as Windows programs (I HAVE NEVER EVER HAD AN INSTALLATION PROBLEM IN WIN) then Linux has not a dogs chance in Hell of competing with Windows. I enjoy the challenge of fighting with Linux and consider myself an apprentice geek in that realm, but really what John says is, unfortunately true. . I have been using *NIX since 1986 (before Windows) and have never like Windows. The installation problem to which you refer will probably never be fixed in Linux. That is because, to do so, means standardizing distros and configs --something die-hard *NIX fans will not stand for. The reason I prefer *NIX is that I can have it my way. The analogy I like to use is this: You go in the the M$ (MicroSoft) restaurant and sit down, the waiter brings out your meal. You do not have a choice in what to order, or how it is prepared, just how many copies of the meal. I go into the *NIX restaurant, and talk to the cattle barron, and negotiate which cow he will let me purchase and for how much. He then hands me a butcher knife and sends me into the field. As much as I do not want to have to butcher my own meat, if that is the only way to get beef instead of the mystery "meat" of the year, and get it cooked to my specifications, then I will do it that way. Pre-packaged distros are just paying someone to butcher and wrap the meat for you. The problem I see, is that Linux interfaces are trying to become M$ Windows, and are starting to lose their original appeal.
RE: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
_ From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin O'Rorke Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:47 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!! Seriously, until Linux programs can be installed as easily and reliably as Windows programs (I HAVE NEVER EVER HAD AN INSTALLATION PROBLEM IN WIN) then Linux has not a dogs chance in Hell of competing with Windows. I enjoy the challenge of fighting with Linux and consider myself an apprentice geek in that realm, but really what John says is, unfortunately true. . <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=1871183/grpspId=1705063108/msgId =17757/stime=1164762724/nc1=3848538/nc2=4025323/nc3=3> I have been using *NIX since 1986 (before Windows) and have never like Windows. The installation problem to which you refer will probably never be fixed in Linux. That is because, to do so, means standardizing distros and configs --something die-hard *NIX fans will not stand for. The reason I prefer *NIX is that I can have it my way. The analogy I like to use is this: You go in the the M$ (MicroSoft) restaurant and sit down, the waiter brings out your meal. You do not have a choice in what to order, or how it is prepared, just how many copies of the meal. I go into the *NIX restaurant, and talk to the cattle barron, and negotiate which cow he will let me purchase and for how much. He then hands me a butcher knife and sends me into the field. As much as I do not want to have to butcher my own meat, if that is the only way to get beef instead of the mystery "meat" of the year, and get it cooked to my specifications, then I will do it that way. Pre-packaged distros are just paying someone to butcher and wrap the meat for you. The problem I see, is that Linux interfaces are trying to become M$ Windows, and are starting to lose their original appeal.
Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
Kevin O'Rorke wrote: > > I know some geeks out there will say "get a pre-compiled version". You > cannot find one for your distro, or not one at all. > Seriously, until Linux programs can be installed as easily and reliably > as Windows programs (I HAVE NEVER EVER HAD AN INSTALLATION PROBLEM IN > WIN) then Linux has not a dogs chance in Hell of competing with Windows. > I enjoy the challenge of fighting with Linux and consider myself an > apprentice geek in that realm, but really what John > says is, unfortunately true. Maybe you should try Synaptic, the Debian package manager, or Adept, in Ubuntu, or YaST in SuSE, or slapt-get in slackware. They all solve most of the dependencies. Personally, I prefer to install things by myself and mantain the dependencies also by myself. It adheres to the KISS principle, and at least in Slackware, works like a charm. Needless to say, if you want to be in "the cutting edge", you have to compile the applications by yourself, but 99% of the times, is just a matter of doing: # ./configure # make # make install Also, you can learn how to make your distro's packages, and become the packager for the "X" application. Doing this, another ham will only have to use Adept, or Synaptic, or YaST, or slapt-get to get installed it in his/her system. By the way, is really nice to have more than 14 000 applications in a repository, waiting to be installed in your distro, freely. Best regards, nat, CM3NA Proud Slackware user __ XIII Convención Científica de Ingeniería y Arquitectura 28/noviembre al 1/diciembre de 2006 Cujae, Ciudad de la Habana, Cuba http://www.cujae.edu.cu/eventos/convencion
RE: [digitalradio] LINUX PROGRAMS INSTALLS
Actually one of the reasons I use Linux is that there are applications that I like but want to add or change certain little nuances and having the source code readily available and being able to change it and re-compile the applications has bee a great deal of fun. Editing the source code is easy, especially when someone mentions what to edit/change and it also lets you easily "play around" with the application and customize it. Walt/K5YFW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 7:42 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] LINUX PROGRAMS INSTALLS YES YES YESTRYING TO INSTALL SOMETHING NEW IS A BOOGER ! IS ALSO MY REASON FOR NOT SWITCHING. DAVID/WD4KPD
RE: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
Way back when, Debian tried to solve this by being the Ham Friendly distro and most ham programmers used Debian. Today programmers like one distro or another and don't generally tell you what distro they used. If they do, then you might want to use that distro. The problem is, as you have noted, is that various programmers use different distros. I believe the solution is for programmers and/or Beta testers, to try out the program on other distros than what the programmer used and report want additional libraries will be required for a specific distribution. I have also found that even between various releases of the same distributions that the library requirements change. This was suppose to be solved by making a program install using RPMs...all the libraries (dependencies) were there. But not everyone uses RPMs...they use something newer. I encourage all Linux programmers of amateur radio applications to list all the dependencies needed and specify the distro and release of the distro that they used. I also encourage the programmers to ask Beta testers to try their applications on various common distros and list any additional dependencies needed and the URL to the dependency. Over the years, I have been more than satisfied with Linux (since kernel 0.98a) but have been frustrated with adding dependencies. I work in a MS world and everything I have to go through to keep MS client and servers up-to-date and running I will NOT tolerate at home where I use the computer for "FUN". 73, Walt/K5YFW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin O'Rorke Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:47 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!! JOHN said > I have this mental picture of linux users hunched over their > computers, eyes red and glazed , looking for WMD (What Microsoft > Did), toiling for hours to make unsupported software run. > > Sorry Guys, I'm with Bill Gates, he developed an operating system that > mostly works, and let's me get on with chasing DX instead > of trying to make it work. If he happened to be very rich doing this, > good on him!!! > > John > VE5MU I am one of those interested in Linux , and have reached the stage where I know my way around it fairly well, I have experimented with a variety of distro's,.and they are mostly a superb replacement for Win in the ordinary Home or Office environment, BUT the biggest problem with Linux for the ham or experimenter is the installation of programs. You download a program, and attempt to install it. You get a message that you need such and such a thing (library or whatever). You go on the Internet, download that, go to install that, get another message " you need x", you get "x", go to install it and get a message "you need version y of x", you attempt to find version "y" and cant find it. At this stage you give up, have three triple brandy's, and fire up Windows! I know some geeks out there will say "get a pre-compiled version". You cannot find one for your distro, or not one at all. Seriously, until Linux programs can be installed as easily and reliably as Windows programs (I HAVE NEVER EVER HAD AN INSTALLATION PROBLEM IN WIN) then Linux has not a dogs chance in Hell of competing with Windows. I enjoy the challenge of fighting with Linux and consider myself an apprentice geek in that realm, but really what John says is, unfortunately true. Kevin VK5OA PS. I am aware of Harvs Hamshack Hack, and have it. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Yahoo! Groups Links
[digitalradio] LINUX PROGRAMS INSTALLS
YES YES YESTRYING TO INSTALL SOMETHING NEW IS A BOOGER ! IS ALSO MY REASON FOR NOT SWITCHING. DAVID/WD4KPD
Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
John, I run one of each in my shack - Windows XP for VHF APRS AGWPE/UI-View and Linux for HF fldigi. That way I get to run the best-of-breed software on each, and get to make use of my available sound cards and serial ports. The linux box is very quiet RF-wise on HF. I install my debian systems from a Knoppix live cd (use 3.9 - it is good) and then update the machine over my ADSL - I can have a box built and fully patched in about an hour - at which time it is ready for years of service with virtually zero maintenance. I think Harv's hamshack is based on knoppix - I expect that a hard disk install of that would be possible also. I am a believer in the philosophy of doing the simplest thing that will work. Sometimes, Windows is the simplest thing - and sometimes it is linux. Why not have both? Hook them all up with Ethernet and Wifi and you can have a home network that puts most small-business computer systems to shame. hi hi. 73 de Brett VK2TMG
Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
Hi to all on the Group! Just like Kevin put it! I've tried mty way aound several distros of linux, and stumbled on the same problems, installation, libraries and the rest. For the moment I have SuSe 10 installed on another disk of my main computer it works allright, network and dsl setup was a breeze. Ham software not (yet) installed because of the above issues, but on the second half of December i'll be on vacation and give it (another) try. Regards On 11/29/06, Kevin O'Rorke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: JOHN said > I have this mental picture of linux users hunched over their > computers, eyes red and glazed , looking for WMD (What Microsoft > Did), toiling for hours to make unsupported software run. > > Sorry Guys, I'm with Bill Gates, he developed an operating system that > mostly works, and let's me get on with chasing DX instead > of trying to make it work. If he happened to be very rich doing this, > good on him!!! > > John > VE5MU I am one of those interested in Linux , and have reached the stage where I know my way around it fairly well, I have experimented with a variety of distro's,.and they are mostly a superb replacement for Win in the ordinary Home or Office environment, BUT the biggest problem with Linux for the ham or experimenter is the installation of programs. You download a program, and attempt to install it. You get a message that you need such and such a thing (library or whatever). You go on the Internet, download that, go to install that, get another message " you need x", you get "x", go to install it and get a message "you need version y of x", you attempt to find version "y" and cant find it. At this stage you give up, have three triple brandy's, and fire up Windows! I know some geeks out there will say "get a pre-compiled version". You cannot find one for your distro, or not one at all. Seriously, until Linux programs can be installed as easily and reliably as Windows programs (I HAVE NEVER EVER HAD AN INSTALLATION PROBLEM IN WIN) then Linux has not a dogs chance in Hell of competing with Windows. I enjoy the challenge of fighting with Linux and consider myself an apprentice geek in that realm, but really what John says is, unfortunately true. Kevin VK5OA PS. I am aware of Harvs Hamshack Hack, and have it. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Yahoo! Groups Links -- Cumprimentos Salomão Fresco CT2IRJ If it works... dont fix it!
Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
JOHN said > I have this mental picture of linux users hunched over their > computers, eyes red and glazed , looking for WMD (What Microsoft > Did), toiling for hours to make unsupported software run. > > Sorry Guys, I'm with Bill Gates, he developed an operating system that > mostly works, and let's me get on with chasing DX instead > of trying to make it work. If he happened to be very rich doing this, > good on him!!! > > John > VE5MU I am one of those interested in Linux , and have reached the stage where I know my way around it fairly well, I have experimented with a variety of distro's,.and they are mostly a superb replacement for Win in the ordinary Home or Office environment, BUT the biggest problem with Linux for the ham or experimenter is the installation of programs. You download a program, and attempt to install it. You get a message that you need such and such a thing (library or whatever). You go on the Internet, download that, go to install that, get another message " you need x", you get "x", go to install it and get a message "you need version y of x", you attempt to find version "y" and cant find it. At this stage you give up, have three triple brandy's, and fire up Windows! I know some geeks out there will say "get a pre-compiled version". You cannot find one for your distro, or not one at all. Seriously, until Linux programs can be installed as easily and reliably as Windows programs (I HAVE NEVER EVER HAD AN INSTALLATION PROBLEM IN WIN) then Linux has not a dogs chance in Hell of competing with Windows. I enjoy the challenge of fighting with Linux and consider myself an apprentice geek in that realm, but really what John says is, unfortunately true. Kevin VK5OA PS. I am aware of Harvs Hamshack Hack, and have it.
Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
CUltist! ...Sorry John, I missed something. I don't even know the prayer yet or the secret handshake. if its gotta be a religious argument. keep in mind that a "cult" is the first step toward legitimacy. I speak as both a "user" and as a former tech at a "Help Desk" in a 99% windows shop. I used to work for a large university hospital. The last thing most ISP's are interested in is "Service". Their pimary function is collecting money. from an illiterate an unsuspecting public. Training help is a lot more expensive than promoting mythology and forcing users to bear an unnecessary expense. for most ISP's the "Help desk is an expense item ... not a revenue item. most ISP's are consumed with MS Marketing hype and FUD. IF MS makes such great stuff, how-cum I gotta buy symantic or norton to keep it safe and running? how-cum nearly all of the internet runs on linux and bsd servers? we're never hunched ove our computers trying to make stuff run. it usually runs with less effort than windows requires. no red eyes. we don't have to read or react to those constant "virus warnings". we don't have to be affraid to open an email attachment. I don't claim immunity only less vunerability. 73, lets quit this thread and get on the air where we can have some fun. Harv On 11/28/06, John Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hmm I didn't think linux was a cult until now!!! "some things you must be prepared to deal with if the "help desk" at you ISP knows you are running Linux, they will treat you like a leper. They will tell you that you MUST run Windows and buy their over priced modems.(check if they can accomodate you. only if we (linux users)start demanding equal service will they provide it. this is my experience with Charter cable and Centurytel DSL. (I encourage all hams to avoid these two outfitsfor your ISP needs, if at all possible). These "help desks" places are largely Windows only operations. and LINUX users scare the B-Jesus out of 'em. I think they fear us cuz we know something they don't. 1) it really isn't necessary to pay the Microsoft Tax to make your computer run. Then, once you have it running, you don't have to pay the secondary taxes to symantic and vandals.which your MS sytem largely promotes and encourages." I have this mental picture of linux users hunched over their computers, eyes red and glazed , looking for WMD (What Microsoft Did), toiling for hours to make unsupported software run. Sorry Guys, I'm with Bill Gates, he developed an operating system that mostly works, and let's me get on with chasing DX instead of trying to make it work. If he happened to be very rich doing this, good on him!!! John VE5MU
[digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
hmm I didn't think linux was a cult until now!!! "some things you must be prepared to deal with if the "help desk" at you ISP knows you are running Linux, they will treat you like a leper. They will tell you that you MUST run Windows and buy their over priced modems.(check if they can accomodate you. only if we (linux users)start demanding equal service will they provide it. this is my experience with Charter cable and Centurytel DSL. (I encourage all hams to avoid these two outfitsfor your ISP needs, if at all possible). These "help desks" places are largely Windows only operations. and LINUX users scare the B-Jesus out of 'em. I think they fear us cuz we know something they don't. 1) it really isn't necessary to pay the Microsoft Tax to make your computer run. Then, once you have it running, you don't have to pay the secondary taxes to symantic and vandals.which your MS sytem largely promotes and encourages." I have this mental picture of linux users hunched over their computers, eyes red and glazed , looking for WMD (What Microsoft Did), toiling for hours to make unsupported software run. Sorry Guys, I'm with Bill Gates, he developed an operating system that mostly works, and let's me get on with chasing DX instead of trying to make it work. If he happened to be very rich doing this, good on him!!! John VE5MU
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Adds Real Time Features.
Cool, I loved using Linux, I almost never turned on my windows computer unless a friend or fellow work employee had handed me something which would only operate on windows. I gave up with the stability of widows long ago. And having to run the Spyware/Adaware/Virus Software, I don't miss that a bit. As of late (last three years), I've been using a Mac. The Mac is a bit more constrictive than most Linux flavors of today, but it does just enough to keep me happy. Thanks to Doc, I'll load up a newer version of Linux and try out WINE. Back when, it was pretty iffy. I look forward to giving it a shot. Doc, for WINE to run without having you sit there tapping your foot against the floor waiting for it to do something. What system requirements would you suggest one meet (hardware wise) say for Photoshope ? Paul Metzger KQ6EH --- > The newest version of WINE, which allows one to run > MS apps under Linux, is said to be very stable and > to work exceptionally well. > > I have been using Linux continuously since the > mid-90's and enjoy being able to open and look at > viruses that would cripple a MS system! > > > -- > > Thanks! & 73, > doc, KD4E > ... somewhere in FL > URL: bibleseven (dot) com > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org > > Other areas of interest: > > The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ > DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy > discussion) > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Adds Real Time Features.
one of my projects up here is trying to convince people that it would be a good idEA TO MAKE A "hotspot of the whole of bayfeild county as is now being done in places like philadelphia, Milwaukee and Minneapolis. This project might be a neat one for hams in places threatened with BPL. harvOn 10/17/06, kd4e <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Strange as it seems, I have been using Linux as my ONLY home operating system since 1991 and have never needed any MS OS applications except for a few amateur radio applications. > > Most Linux applications have been easy to install and operate. Only lately have I excerienced a Linux applications that was a long time coming when the MS applications had been available for 2 or more years and to date I have been unable to get the applications to run. > > Thus of the thousands of Linux applications I have and do run, only one is giving me problems that I or a local Linux guru can't figure out. > > Concerning updates, my major computer at home has been running the same version of a Linux distribution that is 5 years old. My computer runs 24X7 and except for the times that my UPS batteries ran down, the computer (actually computers) and network has stayed up. > > I'm really sold on Linux. > > Walt/K5YFW The newest version of WINE, which allows one to run MS apps under Linux, is said to be very stable and to work exceptionally well. I have been using Linux continuously since the mid-90's and enjoy being able to open and look at viruses that would cripple a MS system! -- Thanks! & 73, doc, KD4E ... somewhere in FL URL: bibleseven (dot) com __._,_.___ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Ham radio antenna Ham radio store Digital voice Digital voice recorder mp3 Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Adds Real Time Features.
> Strange as it seems, I have been using Linux as my ONLY home operating system > since 1991 and have never needed any MS OS applications except for a few > amateur radio applications. > > Most Linux applications have been easy to install and operate. Only lately > have I excerienced a Linux applications that was a long time coming when the > MS applications had been available for 2 or more years and to date I have > been unable to get the applications to run. > > Thus of the thousands of Linux applications I have and do run, only one is > giving me problems that I or a local Linux guru can't figure out. > > Concerning updates, my major computer at home has been running the same > version of a Linux distribution that is 5 years old. My computer runs 24X7 > and except for the times that my UPS batteries ran down, the computer > (actually computers) and network has stayed up. > > I'm really sold on Linux. > > Walt/K5YFW The newest version of WINE, which allows one to run MS apps under Linux, is said to be very stable and to work exceptionally well. I have been using Linux continuously since the mid-90's and enjoy being able to open and look at viruses that would cripple a MS system! -- Thanks! & 73, doc, KD4E ... somewhere in FL URL: bibleseven (dot) com Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [digitalradio] Linux Adds Real Time Features.
Strange as it seems, I have been using Linux as my ONLY home operating system since 1991 and have never needed any MS OS applications except for a few amateur radio applications. Most Linux applications have been easy to install and operate. Only lately have I excerienced a Linux applications that was a long time coming when the MS applications had been available for 2 or more years and to date I have been unable to get the applications to run. Thus of the thousands of Linux applications I have and do run, only one is giving me problems that I or a local Linux guru can't figure out. Concerning updates, my major computer at home has been running the same version of a Linux distribution that is 5 years old. My computer runs 24X7 and except for the times that my UPS batteries ran down, the computer (actually computers) and network has stayed up. I'm really sold on Linux. Walt/K5YFW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 3:18 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Linux Adds Real Time Features. In the past, the comment was made that the Linux OS had some subset versions that did allow for Real Time applications. I wonder if this new development would mean that you could call R-T interrupts from the Kernel even though it says that it is real time support in the kernel which makes it easier for developers to build embedded Linux apps? http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=193300294&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_All Just about every day there seems to be more movement toward Linux on a world wide basis, particularly in the developing world. If the OLPC thing really happens, and it looks like it very well may in Libya, it would be interesting that every child in that nation would have their own laptop running Linux. 73, Rick, KV9U Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Adds Real Time Features.
Danny, It depends upon the politics of the country. As a farmer, and one who follows this kind of thing fairly closely, it is clear to me that there is currently enough food to go around although there is going to come a time where we simply can not support the world population which is increasing a billion people, primarily in the developing world, just over each decade. Sadly, food withholding was used to control and kill millions of people in the past and it is still being used as a weapon in some parts of the world. Libya may be the first country to put this many computers in the hands of each child but they don't actually have that many kids, just over a million and should have plenty to eat considering the oil revenues and changes in the politics of that country in recent time. It is going to be interesting to see the long term effects of allowing this kind of technology to the masses in a developing country. My guess is that it will cause changes, some unintended, because children easily accept their environment as "normal." Look at the kids of today in developing countries that live as if we have always had current technology of cell phones, ipods, notebooks, internet, HDTV, etc:) Rick W. Danny Douglas wrote: >It sounds like a fine idea. I just hope they want to insure the kids have >food to eat, before they feed them from the screen. > >Danny Douglas N7DC >ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA >SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all >DX 2-6 years each. >moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Adds Real Time Features.
It sounds like a fine idea. I just hope they want to insure the kids have food to eat, before they feed them from the screen. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "KV9U" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Linux Adds Real Time Features. > Harv, > > Just because they are not immediately available, doesn't mean that they > won't become available when they increase the mass production. They > actually believe that the price can go down with more numbers. > > We may have to pay a bit more, but then again, very few in the developed > world would want this product ... except of course, some niche areas > such as perhaps emergency communication:) > > 73, > > Rick, KV9U > > > Harv Nelson wrote: > > > if these are the laptops you speak of, http://laptop.media.mit.edu/ . > > > > THey won't be available to the likes of you and me ... I already asked! > > > > harv, AI9NL - now N9AI > > > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org > > Other areas of interest: > > The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ > DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 10/14/2006 > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Adds Real Time Features.
Harv, Just because they are not immediately available, doesn't mean that they won't become available when they increase the mass production. They actually believe that the price can go down with more numbers. We may have to pay a bit more, but then again, very few in the developed world would want this product ... except of course, some niche areas such as perhaps emergency communication:) 73, Rick, KV9U Harv Nelson wrote: > if these are the laptops you speak of, http://laptop.media.mit.edu/ . > > THey won't be available to the likes of you and me ... I already asked! > > harv, AI9NL - now N9AI Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Linux Adds Real Time Features.
if these are the laptops you speak of, http://laptop.media.mit.edu/ .THey won't be available to the likes of you and me ... I already asked!harv, AI9NL - now N9AI On 10/14/06, KV9U <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In the past, the comment was made that the Linux OS had some subset versions that did allow for Real Time applications. I wonder if this new development would mean that you could call R-T interrupts from the Kernel even though it says that it is real time support in the kernel which makes it easier for developers to build embedded Linux apps? http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=193300294&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_All Just about every day there seems to be more movement toward Linux on a world wide basis, particularly in the developing world. If the OLPC thing really happens, and it looks like it very well may in Libya, it would be interesting that every child in that nation would have their own laptop running Linux. 73, Rick, KV9U __._,_.___ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Ham radio antenna Ham radio store Digital voice Digital voice recorder mp3 Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[digitalradio] Linux Adds Real Time Features.
In the past, the comment was made that the Linux OS had some subset versions that did allow for Real Time applications. I wonder if this new development would mean that you could call R-T interrupts from the Kernel even though it says that it is real time support in the kernel which makes it easier for developers to build embedded Linux apps? http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=193300294&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_All Just about every day there seems to be more movement toward Linux on a world wide basis, particularly in the developing world. If the OLPC thing really happens, and it looks like it very well may in Libya, it would be interesting that every child in that nation would have their own laptop running Linux. 73, Rick, KV9U Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Linux Packet
Any of the Linux heads reading this reflector know of a good Linux based sound card Packet program? I hate to fool around with Wine to get something going and gMFSK does not support packet. Tips, pointers, get a hardware TNC? 73 Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [digitalradio] Linux. Was: email to Internet without a PC ?
Title: RE: [digitalradio] Linux. Was: email to Internet without a PC ? The partitation naming is actually what the IBM PC Bios did but Microsoft changed that and eventually the Bios providers followed. The Linux, BSD, Unix and Nics all use the designations so that the systems are pretty much interchangable...all having their roots in AT&T's Unix. As far as backing up your MS OS files, certainly...even if you are going to make the computer dual boot. That's just plain good computer practice. Also, even upgrading to a new MS OS or new Linux/BSD/Unix distribution, you certainly should backup your computer. I manage a number of servers (both Microsoft OS and Linux/Unix) and I don't even load new untested (by me) applications unless I have a full backup of the computer...that's Computer Science 101. 73, Walt/K5YFW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Alan NV8A Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:56 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Linux. Was: email to Internet without a PC ? I don't recall that Linux has ever messed up my MBR. My major complaint about installing Linux is the cryptic designation of partitions (hda1, hdb3, etc.), bearing no resemblance to what they were actually named, thus making it difficult to be sure that one is installing Linux to the intended partition. I would never again install Linux without having a verified backup of the whole system from which I can restore anything that Linux tramples on. Alan NV8A Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[digitalradio] Linux. Was: email to Internet without a PC ?
On 02/23/06 05:00 pm Paul L Schmidt wrote: > I've had several dual-boot systems at work (my system at home is > Linux-only), and never messed up an MBR. Back in the days of the > LILO loader, I messed up a few installations from time to time, > but it wasn't from dual-booting, and it wasn't too bad to fix > (just booted from a floppy). The Grub loader is much nicer and > nearly foolproof (if you mess up the config file, you can use it > in command mode!). > > The only advice I'd have for multi-booters is to have utilities on > all operating systems to read the filesystems from the others. If > you don't, Murphy guarantees whatever file you want will be in the > filesystem of the other OS. I don't recall that Linux has ever messed up my MBR. My major complaint about installing Linux is the cryptic designation of partitions (hda1, hdb3, etc.), bearing no resemblance to what they were actually named, thus making it difficult to be sure that one is installing Linux to the intended partition. I would never again install Linux without having a verified backup of the whole system from which I can restore anything that Linux tramples on. Alan NV8A Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Linux for Windows addicts
Gegroet, Kristoff Bonne schreef: In addition to the hints given by some other people, you can also take a look at "qemu", which is a free PC emulator. The main focus is to run it on a linux host but you can also run it on a windows box. Oeps. Forgot the URLs: Main project page: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/index.html Qemu for win32: http://free.oszoo.org/download.html Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [digitalradio] Linux for Windows addicts
Gegroet, Andrew O'Brien schreef: Please excuse the Linux rookie questions. I wonder if there is an easy to manage CD bootable Linux program that one could download for a CD burn? Sometime ago a member here (Harv, I think) was kind enough to mail out a CD that did this, it had a few sound card glitches so I stopped using it. It seems that some of us that are Windows addicts, but want to try some Linux only software, could be tempted if we had a simple to install Linux system that easily reverts to Windows. Maybe there are updates to what Harv was distributing? In addition to the hints given by some other people, you can also take a look at "qemu", which is a free PC emulator. The main focus is to run it on a linux host but you can also run it on a windows box. This allows you to play around with different unix operating-systems inside a virtual PC on your windows; and will give you a way to try it out before you start installing it on a PC or without the need of "live-CDs". Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [digitalradio] Linux for Windows addicts
Are you referring to this? http://hamshack-hack.sourceforge.net/ Later, Artie Lekstutis KC2MFS >Please excuse the Linux rookie questions. I wonder if there is an >easy to manage CD bootable Linux program that one could download for a >CD burn? Sometime ago a member here (Harv, I think) was kind enough >to mail out a CD that did this, it had a few sound card glitches so I >stopped using it. > >It seems that some of us that are Windows addicts, but want to try >some Linux only software, could be tempted if we had a simple to >install Linux system that easily reverts to Windows. Maybe there are >updates to what Harv was distributing? > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Linux for Windows addicts
Andy I have been using Fedora and really like it. You can download it at this address or I can burn you a copy of the CD's that I already. http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/iso/ John, W0JAB At 12:44 PM 2/22/06, you wrote: >Please excuse the Linux rookie questions. I wonder if there is an >easy to manage CD bootable Linux program that one could download for a >CD burn? Sometime ago a member here (Harv, I think) was kind enough >to mail out a CD that did this, it had a few sound card glitches so I >stopped using it. > >It seems that some of us that are Windows addicts, but want to try >some Linux only software, could be tempted if we had a simple to >install Linux system that easily reverts to Windows. Maybe there are >updates to what Harv was distributing? > > > > > > > >Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org > >Other areas of interest: > >The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ >DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Linux for Windows addicts
Please excuse the Linux rookie questions. I wonder if there is an easy to manage CD bootable Linux program that one could download for a CD burn? Sometime ago a member here (Harv, I think) was kind enough to mail out a CD that did this, it had a few sound card glitches so I stopped using it. It seems that some of us that are Windows addicts, but want to try some Linux only software, could be tempted if we had a simple to install Linux system that easily reverts to Windows. Maybe there are updates to what Harv was distributing? Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] linux
Trouble may arise from the fact that AFU is configured to work with the German variant of a "qwerty" keyboard ... the "=" sign is a shifted 0 (zero) on that keybard (I think). Give that a try while you're waiting for the new CD. BTW: I forgot that today is a Post Office holiday, so no mail out today. Tomorrow. If you want to be really brave, and you have a high speed DSL or Cable connection to the internet, give the Debian net install a shake. Debian Home page -- http://www.debian.org/ Link to the downloadable installer: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso This is a 150 meg ".iso" file you burn to a CD to create a "boot disk" CD. When your CD is done baking, boot your machine with the new CD. It will establish a connection to the Debian archive and commence download to your machine. I do it in about 2 1/2 hours here with a 512 K DSL link. YMMV. Give a yell if you get lost. Harv, AI9NL On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:56:54 +, David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I DID ! > > said it couldnt find the needed module. i have another standard knoppix > live cd, and it works ok in english. it was a problem only with the AFU > version. > > david/wd4kpd > > > Chuck Mayfield wrote: > > >At 12:25 PM 2/21/2005, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>anyone have a link for download of the Knoppix live cd with the ham > >>programs built in that is in English ? > >> > >>have the German version, but no fun to play with. > >> > >>david/wd4kpd > >> > >> > > > >Try starting it with "knoppix lang=en" > > > >Regards, > >Chuck - AA5J > > > > > > > > > > > The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ > > http://dxcluster.blogspot.com";> src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/DigitalSpotter.gif"; height="67" width="200" > style="border:0" alt="Digital Spotter"/> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ http://dxcluster.blogspot.com";>http://feeds.feedburner.com/DigitalSpotter.gif"; height="67" width="200" style="border:0" alt="Digital Spotter"/> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] linux
I DID ! said it couldnt find the needed module. i have another standard knoppix live cd, and it works ok in english. it was a problem only with the AFU version. david/wd4kpd Chuck Mayfield wrote: >At 12:25 PM 2/21/2005, you wrote: > > > > >>anyone have a link for download of the Knoppix live cd with the ham >>programs built in that is in English ? >> >>have the German version, but no fun to play with. >> >>david/wd4kpd >> >> > >Try starting it with "knoppix lang=en" > >Regards, >Chuck - AA5J > > > > The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ http://dxcluster.blogspot.com";>http://feeds.feedburner.com/DigitalSpotter.gif"; height="67" width="200" style="border:0" alt="Digital Spotter"/> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] linux
At 12:25 PM 2/21/2005, you wrote: >anyone have a link for download of the Knoppix live cd with the ham >programs built in that is in English ? > >have the German version, but no fun to play with. > >david/wd4kpd Try starting it with "knoppix lang=en" Regards, Chuck - AA5J -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.2.0 - Release Date: 2/21/2005 The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ http://dxcluster.blogspot.com";>http://feeds.feedburner.com/DigitalSpotter.gif"; height="67" width="200" style="border:0" alt="Digital Spotter"/> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] linux
thank you very much Harv... vry new to linux, and havent installed anything to HD yet. have tried the afu/knoppix, mandrake,and suse live cd's. only knoppix seems to work, except for the AFU version only plays in German. is what you are offering similar? cant do much on HD as yet. david Harv Nelson wrote: >Hi David, > >Stand by for a couple days, I'll put a copy of "Harv's Hamshack Hack" >in the mail for you ... is your address OK on QRZ.com? > >73 >Harv, AI9NL > > > >On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:25:50 +, David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> anyone have a link for download of the Knoppix live cd with the ham >> programs built in that is in English ? >> >> have the German version, but no fun to play with. >> >> david/wd4kpd >> >> >> >> The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ >> >> http://dxcluster.blogspot.com";>>src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/DigitalSpotter.gif"; height="67" width="200" >>style="border:0" alt="Digital Spotter"/> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >>To visit your group on the web, go to: >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ >> >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >> >> > > >The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ > >http://dxcluster.blogspot.com";>src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/DigitalSpotter.gif"; height="67" width="200" >style="border:0" alt="Digital Spotter"/> >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ http://dxcluster.blogspot.com";>http://feeds.feedburner.com/DigitalSpotter.gif"; height="67" width="200" style="border:0" alt="Digital Spotter"/> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] linux
Hi David, Stand by for a couple days, I'll put a copy of "Harv's Hamshack Hack" in the mail for you ... is your address OK on QRZ.com? 73 Harv, AI9NL On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:25:50 +, David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > anyone have a link for download of the Knoppix live cd with the ham > programs built in that is in English ? > > have the German version, but no fun to play with. > > david/wd4kpd > > > > The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ > > http://dxcluster.blogspot.com";> src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/DigitalSpotter.gif"; height="67" width="200" > style="border:0" alt="Digital Spotter"/> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ http://dxcluster.blogspot.com";>http://feeds.feedburner.com/DigitalSpotter.gif"; height="67" width="200" style="border:0" alt="Digital Spotter"/> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] linux
anyone have a link for download of the Knoppix live cd with the ham programs built in that is in English ? have the German version, but no fun to play with. david/wd4kpd The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ http://dxcluster.blogspot.com";>http://feeds.feedburner.com/DigitalSpotter.gif"; height="67" width="200" style="border:0" alt="Digital Spotter"/> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Linux adapting
Jerry wrote: > > Remember when Windows 95 first came out? There were some ham programs > that ran under MS-DOS. Think maybe a few SSTV applications (Mscan?) > and maybe an RTTY application or two. The question back then was when > are you (the author) going to have a Windows version of ** > program? Took a few years as the programers needed to set up Windows > application software first and then learn how to use "Windows" and > convert the old MS-DOS programs over to Windows. Linux is going to be > much slower as not many ham users are jumping over to Linux. Also > learning to use some of the Linux ham applications takes some > "fiddling" with some of them to get them to run. Some are hard to set > up, one example is QSSTV, have had errors trying to do a "make" on > that program something about "zoomform" and don't know where to get > "zoomform". Zoomform is not listed as a tarball or rpm. Only > referance to "zoomform" was using Google and then the few links found > referenced right back to QSSTV snd those also looking for "zoomform". > Spent a few days trying to find "zoomform" gave up on trying to find > "zoomform". How many hams are going to get discusted with setting up > the Linux applications and go back to Windows? > > Still Linux is a learning curve, and an old Geezer like me does not > comprehend some parts of using Linux, but I am trying. Good on you for trying Jerry. Of course, in theory and not yet tried, all Windows programs will run in Linux, using te correct 'emulator' ie WINE, VMWare, CodeWeavers CrossOverOffice etc. 73 de ZR1HPC Hylton -- Hylton Conacher - Linux user # 229959 at http://counter.li.org Currently using SuSE 9.0 Professional with KDE 3.1 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Meet the McDonald¿s® Lincoln Fry get free digital souvenirs, Web-only video and bid on the Lincoln Fry prop charity auction. http://us.click.yahoo.com/oesLWD/fV0JAA/r1hLAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ Discussion Forums at http://www.obriensweb.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Linux in amateur radio/KVM switches
Harv Nelson wrote: > > On the Linux users issue: >Hams tend to be among the cheapest of cheapskates. Look for a lot >more LINUX in the hamshack very soon. > > This becomes more evident daily, as I read a number of ham-related mailing lists. A couple of years ago, we were just getting hams used to the idea of the computer being an integral part of the shack. Now, Linux may be emerging as a de facto standard among us. >Most folks just want a computer that works for them ... not the other >way-round. With new viruses showing up weekly from the >"script-kiddies", even Mosberg now advises the use of Mozilla or a >Firefox/Thunderbird combo to replace M$ Exploiter and >"Outhouse"/"Weird" for browsing, email and word tasks. Firefox and >Thunderbird look the same, feel the same, and work the same on both >LINUX and M$ systems. > > I've been there with Thunderbird and Firefox for a while now. Being a long-time user of Netscape, the learning curve was virtually zero. My turning point with M$ came with the product activation scheme. When Symantec followed suit, I became familiar with free replacements like AVG. All this reinforced a long-term frustration with the illogical concept that I should license each and every copy of software that I use at home. Today's households often include multiple computers. I have five in the house now; four desktops and a laptop. Of the five, only my wife's does not have Linux installed. The three that I use are configured to dual-boot XP and Fedora Core 3 Linux and the fourth, a monster AMD64-based desktop that I built to gaming specs (even though I'm not a gamer) runs only the 64-bit version of FC3. Since I have a holiday today, I made my annual trek to the UC-Riverside bookstore. After looking over the textbooks that they are using in Computer Science classes, I wandered through the new building that houses the CS Department. It was great to see dozens of workstations in the student computer labs with the familiar red hat on the toolbar. For years, UCR has required CS students to use some variant of Unix for their classes, dating back to the use of minicomputers in a timesharing environment. Glad to see that they aren't picking up bad habits! For the vast majority of computer users "technical savvy" is no longer >an issue with LINUX. The same folks who are techno-illiterate users >of M$ Windows can now maintain their same level of illiteracy. Linux >is able to compensate for them, even better than Windows ever did. >OpenOffice provides all the functionality of M$ Office systems with >none of the cost and less technical requirements. > > After years of frustration with end users who are otherwise not stupid people, but are computer- and technology-illiterate by preference, I love this analogy! > > > 73 >Harv, AI9NL >Washburn, WI > > >73 de Jim - AD6CW > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Meet the McDonald¿s® Lincoln Fry get free digital souvenirs, Web-only video and bid on the Lincoln Fry prop charity auction. http://us.click.yahoo.com/oesLWD/fV0JAA/r1hLAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ Discussion Forums at http://www.obriensweb.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Linux adapting
Try gMFSK, xlog, and hamlib, as described in a recent QST. There is an online reprint (not from qst) if you google for it. Leigh / WA5ZNU On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:03 am, Jerry wrote: > Still Linux is a learning curve, and an old Geezer like me does not > comprehend some parts of using Linux, but I am trying. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Meet the McDonald¿s® Lincoln Fry get free digital souvenirs, Web-only video and bid on the Lincoln Fry prop charity auction. http://us.click.yahoo.com/oesLWD/fV0JAA/r1hLAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ Discussion Forums at http://www.obriensweb.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Linux adapting
Hi Jerry, What flavor of LINUX are you running? Check out this link: http://he.fi/archive/linux-hams/200411/0066.html follow the bread crumbs. You might also want to give N9NU's site a look. He had some QSSTV specific install instructions there ... about 1/4 down the page: http://www.n9nu.net/linux/linux.php#deps HTH 73 Harv, AI9NL Washburn, WI On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:13:18 -, Jerry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Remember when Windows 95 first came out? There were some ham programs > that ran under MS-DOS. Think maybe a few SSTV applications (Mscan?) > and maybe an RTTY application or two. The question back then was when > are you (the author) going to have a Windows version of ** > program? Took a few years as the programers needed to set up Windows > application software first and then learn how to use "Windows" and > convert the old MS-DOS programs over to Windows. Linux is going to be > much slower as not many ham users are jumping over to Linux. Also > learning to use some of the Linux ham applications takes some > "fiddling" with some of them to get them to run. Some are hard to set > up, one example is QSSTV, have had errors trying to do a "make" on > that program something about "zoomform" and don't know where to get > "zoomform". Zoomform is not listed as a tarball or rpm. Only > referance to "zoomform" was using Google and then the few links found > referenced right back to QSSTV snd those also looking for "zoomform". > Spent a few days trying to find "zoomform" gave up on trying to find > "zoomform". How many hams are going to get discusted with setting up > the Linux applications and go back to Windows? > > Still Linux is a learning curve, and an old Geezer like me does not > comprehend some parts of using Linux, but I am trying. > > 73, Jerry K0HZI > > > > > > > The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ > > Discussion Forums at http://www.obriensweb.com > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Meet the McDonald¿s® Lincoln Fry get free digital souvenirs, Web-only video and bid on the Lincoln Fry prop charity auction. http://us.click.yahoo.com/oesLWD/fV0JAA/r1hLAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ Discussion Forums at http://www.obriensweb.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Linux in amateur radio/KVM switches
Someone else mentioned the cost of cables. The QVS package I use included the cables. I no longer recall the price of the unit. Alan NV8A On 02/11/05 11:36 am I wrote: > As for KVM switches: I have a 2-port QVS KVM (purchased at MicroCenter) > that works fine for me. I am sure they do a 4-port version as well. > > This one has the advantage that I can plug either PS/2 or USB devices > into the KVM and just have the single USB connection to the PC. Thus I > can still use my "obsolete" keyboard (a completely reprogrammable > "Gateway 2000" PS/2 keyboard with 12 Fn keys on the left where they > belong) as well as my cordless trackball with a USB connection from the > "base" to the computer. > > This KVM has a button to switch between machines, or I can switch using > ScrollLock, ScrollLock, Up/Dn arrow. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Meet the McDonald¿s® Lincoln Fry get free digital souvenirs, Web-only video and bid on the Lincoln Fry prop charity auction. http://us.click.yahoo.com/oesLWD/fV0JAA/r1hLAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ Discussion Forums at http://www.obriensweb.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Linux in amateur radio/KVM switches
Hi Rick! For the past few years I've been using the D-Link DKVM-4 KVM switch. I think they go for about $35 (do a "Froogle"). Keep in mind that you will need a set of cables for each of the systems you attach to the switch. I have some that are "molded" and have the all the wires in one bundle, which cleans up a lot of the mess and tangle with separate wires for each computer's mouse, keyboard, and video ... and they're shielded! Each cable set costs around $20 (do another "Froogle"). My systems seem to work OK. I've noticed no added noise from the KVM set up in the radio and no RF getting back into the computers via the switch. The cost of the system is more than justified by the fact that you'll have only one monitor rather than four ... and so, proportionally less noise in the radios. There used to be a "manual" KVM switch that used a big rotary wafer switch rather than the electronic switching of the D-Link device. These were "clunky", and tended to get worn and dirty, and might connect the video and keyboard ... but loose the mouse until you twiddled with it. Actually, USB mouse and keyboard ought to make this tangled task easier and cheaper. On the Linux users issue: I tend to view this one "Worldwide". Since LINUX is a free system, the "value-per-buck" is infinite. It'll be hard for M$ to compete in a market where the lowest price is $0 ... regardless how many "features" they add. The Chinese have just taken over production of IBM's desktop and portable computer lines. Since the Chinese government mandates the inclusion of their own LINUX flavor on all machines built and marketed there, expect the user base to develop quite rapidly. These machines should should start showing up soon in places like Wal-Mart with an introductory price just a tiny bit above the floor sweepings, as they seek "market share". Hams tend to be among the cheapest of cheapskates. Look for a lot more LINUX in the hamshack very soon. Most folks just want a computer that works for them ... not the other way-round. With new viruses showing up weekly from the "script-kiddies", even Mosberg now advises the use of Mozilla or a Firefox/Thunderbird combo to replace M$ Exploiter and "Outhouse"/"Weird" for browsing, email and word tasks. Firefox and Thunderbird look the same, feel the same, and work the same on both LINUX and M$ systems. For the vast majority of computer users "technical savvy" is no longer an issue with LINUX. The same folks who are techno-illiterate users of M$ Windows can now maintain their same level of illiteracy. Linux is able to compensate for them, even better than Windows ever did. OpenOffice provides all the functionality of M$ Office systems with none of the cost and less technical requirements. The governments of Germany, Brazil, India, Indonesia, to mention but a few, now mandate the use of LINUX in all government and educational institutions. With China in the mix, well over half the worlds population will be LINUX users. Its hard to argue with FREE. I expect that State govenments in the USA will figure out the economics before our federal people. As they attempt to balance budgets, they'll look to see who gets the biggest checks and where cuts can be made, they'll make them. Again, its hard to argue with the prices when all the functionality is equal or better. 73 Harv, AI9NL Washburn, WI On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:00:47 -0600, Rick Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One of the things that I have noticed the last year or so has been the > increase in interest in GNU/Linux in the ham community. While I would be > surprised if it is more than 2%, there are more hams using Linux than the > general public (world wide estimate from Gartner is 1.3% for general > public.) But it makes sense that hams are using Linux in increasing numbers > considering that on average we are much more technically oriented than the > public at large. > > While I still think Linux has a lot of problems for average users, it may > be > beneficial for hams in that it has the robustness that MS products do not > have, and more importantly, it may be able to do things that the MS > products > can not do. A good example being Pactor I. > > I think it is reasonable that we can expect more Linux, or at the very > least, more multi-platform software as developers get the skills necessary > to do this. Realistically, this will likely be a slow process, and I do not > expect this to be all that soon and am thinking of a time line over perhaps > a ten year period based upon what we see happening with the increasing > adoption of Linux by other countries and certain governmental units around > the world. I expect that we would have to have a sort of "critical mass" > and > then you might see much greater adoption. > > In the meantime Windows is still going to be the mainstay for most hams, > especially the less technical ones. > > The dilemma that I have is being able to hav
Re: [digitalradio] Linux in amateur radio/KVM switches
You can also use VNC, which is a free program that gives you a copy of one computer's screen on another. You can run it either way, with the kbd and display hooked to your windows machine and the server on Linux, or vice versa. You can also do both, just bring up the client on whichever machine you have the kbd and display hooked to. For Linux the VNC package comes with it. For Windows, get RealVNC or TridiaVNC, both free downloads. There is a small Yahoo group called linuxhams. Send me mail or ask on linuxhams if you want more details about setting this up. Leigh. On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 7:02 am, Rick Williams wrote: > Until this week, I never knew about KVM switches. I was visiting a > local > programmer's home to see his RFID development, and he had 4 computers > hooked > up to his one keyboard, monitor and mouse. And could instantly switch > between them. This would solve the problem of having multiple computers > available with different operating systems. Incidentally, he had > Windows XP, > Linux Slackware, Linux Red Hat, and Sun Solaris on each of the > computers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Meet the McDonald¿s® Lincoln Fry get free digital souvenirs, Web-only video and bid on the Lincoln Fry prop charity auction. http://us.click.yahoo.com/oesLWD/fV0JAA/r1hLAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ Discussion Forums at http://www.obriensweb.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
