[slim] Re: How to play songs with no gap

2006-01-08 Thread funkstar

oh, i thought the SB could deal with the gapless MP3 hacks. I stand
corrected then


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[slim] NAS JUST for file storage?

2006-01-08 Thread pulp_136

Hallo and Happy New Year to everyone.

I read all the posts about the problems users have using NAS Storage
with Slimserver. However they were all refering to using NAS for
RUNNING Slimserver. I would like to ask if a different approach would
be possible. That is, using NAS just for storage, and run slimserver on
another networked PC (a small touchscreen PC for example).

From the touchscreen PC I'm only interested in sending CLI commands to
the squeezebox. Like add file xxx.mp3 to the queue. Since I have my
own database I don't care about the database features of slimserver.
What I do care about is that the file go directly from the NAS to the
squeezebox and not through the touchscreen PC. That way I can even
shutdown the PC after loading a playlist and music would keep playing.

Would something like that be possible (with maybe nslu2)?

sorry for the long post

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[slim] Re: SB1 SB3 out of sync with FLAC tracks

2006-01-08 Thread mecouc

To add some more detail - if, when they are out of sync, I unsync and
sync them, then they play the current FLAC track perfectly together, so
it isn't an issue with FLAC per se, but something to do with changing
tracks. I'll try to do some more experiments.


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[slim] Help required

2006-01-08 Thread Badger

Hi,

Apologies for the dumb Q's, but I am just getting started and am having
trouble with the basics of managing my music files. 

Set-up: SB3, SS 6.2 (on P4), I-tunes

1st Problem:

So far I am in the exploatory stages. and have ripped a few CD's using
I-tunes, however I am finding that I-tunes is putting songs randomly in
different places. For example, if I rip one album, some songs show up as
seperate albums on slim-server, in parallel to the album that the song
comes from.

2nd Problem:

I have subscribed to 360 share, which appears to be excellent for
downloading MP3's. However, once I have down-loaded the songs, I don't
know how to store them. When you download music, they end up in a
shared directory. I have tried creating a short-cut to that directory,
but that's not really working. Also, if i copy all of the songs, and
paste them into a new directory so I-tunes can look at them, they end
up being poorly tagged, and creates a 'flat file of songs' with no
particular order, which clearly is unmanageable with 1000's of songs
etc.

If anyone can help, i'm looking for some really basic steps on how to
get started, ie,

1. What s/w packages should I use
2. How to Rip
3. How to TAG/Manage 
4. AS above for MP3's downloaded from the internet.

Many thanks for any help you can provide.


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[slim] Announce: Java-based server, SlightServer 0.2

2006-01-08 Thread clumsyoik

Version 0.2 of SlightServer available here:

http://www.sendmefile.com/00220355

From the README:

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY OF ANY KIND WHATSOEVER. Especially due
to the fact that I have included Windows binaries of flac and metaflac
from the FLAC frontend project, and vorbiscomment from the website
rarewares.org. Consider these binaries to be untrusted and act
accordingly. 

Please send any constructive feedback to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To set up, edit the file
slightserver-0.2/config/slightserver.properties. Tell it where your
music files are, 
and where you want the server to store it's own files. By default, it
searches your home directory for music, and stores its files in
~/.slightserver. On Linux, make sure you have installed metaflac, flac
and vorbiscomment. 

To run, cd to the directory slightserver-0.2/scripts, and run
slightserver.sh [linux] or slightserver.bat [windows]. You MUST be in
the scripts directory, or the classpath will be wrong. 

Connect the squeezebox2/3 (or softsqueeze) to the server as normal.
When the squeezebox connects, it will initially show
how many tracks it has scanned. If it doesn't find your tracks, fix
that now.

To change the amount of output, edit config/log4j.properties. In
general, use INFO for less output, or DEBUG for more.

SlightServer has 2 modes: the Now Playing screen and the browser. 

In the Now Playing mode, the screen shows the elapsed time, shuffle
icon, volume icon, repeat icon, and track rating on the top line.
Pushing buttons 1 to 5 will set the rating for that track. (To be used
eventually for smart playlists). The second/third lines show the
artist/album/tracknumber/trackname.

To get to the browser, press Up or Down. The menu structure is defined
in config/menu.xml, so it should be reasonably easy to define
menus based on composer, artist or whatever. Currently, it has random
tracks and album (sorted by artist) in it.

Known bugs: 
* Poor error handling. Be prepared to restart the server and/or the
squeezebox
* Sometimes, the squeezebox gets in a state where it won't play any
more music (it displays initializing). I don't understand the slim
protocol well enough to unbork it
* Files that are transcoded from .ogg to .flac never get deleted. This
will fill up your hard drive eventually
* Should cancel a transcode when skipping tracks - skipping 10 tracks
in quick succession will result in 10 transcodes all running to
completion, and bogging down the server
* Some files are not scanned properly and end up with empty tags
* Very simple tag handling
* No FFWD/REW support
* No web interface
* GIJ crashes with a NullPointerException deep in a library

New and Noteworthy since 0.1:
* Volume now is at the correct scale
* Correctly handle repeated IR codes (e.g. holding down the volume
button)
* Transcoded files start faster
* MP3 support
* Configurable menu system
* Random tracks are selected much more efficiently


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[slim] Re: Help required

2006-01-08 Thread Badger

Forgot to mention above, I have installed Slim server and I-tunes, and
am on default settings, so I havn't configured anything to-date.


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Re: [slim] Re: How to play songs with no gap

2006-01-08 Thread Richie
 oh, i thought the SB could deal with the gapless MP3 hacks. I stand
 corrected then

It seems to cope with mine just fine.

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[slim] Re: Is there a sneaky way...

2006-01-08 Thread Siduhe

Ok, I don't think it's the file names but the playlist itself. 
Debugging the rescan gives the following:

-WARNING:

file:///Linkstation/share/My%20Music/Forever%20Young%20(Disc%201)/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
found in playlist:
file:///mnt/share/My%20Playlists/fisher.m3u doesn't exist on disk -
skipping!

2006-01-08 11:40:03.3932 Slim::Formats::Parse::readM3U:

file:///Linkstation/share/My%20Music/Lado%20Este/Esta%20Vez.mp3 found
in playlist:
file:///mnt/share/My%20Playlists/fisher.m3u doesn't exist on disk -
skipping!

2006-01-08 11:40:03.4253 Slim::Formats::Parse::readM3U:
WARNING:
file:///Linkstation/share/My%20Music/Nu-Flow/Taking%20It%20Global.mp3
found in playlist:
file:///mnt/share/My%20Playlists/fisher.m3u doesn't exist on disk -
skipping!-

The playlist is definitely saved on the disk - could it be related to
the fact that Slimserver sees the file as //Linkstation/share and the
playlist folder as //mnt/share ?  Slimserver won't recognise
//Linkstation/share/My Playlists as a valid path.


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Re: [slim] Synchronization

2006-01-08 Thread Kevin Weller
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rtitmuss 
wrote:
 up. I have a rough fix for both of them, and am now listening to 
 my four well sync'd track :). I need to refine the fixes a little more 
 before releasing a new version

I think you've got it Richard :)

I have never got synchronisation to work well at all - it always got out 
of sync within 5 or 6 tracks. I've been playing a Squeezebox 2 sync'd 
with Softsqueeze for the last couple of hours and it's coped with 
everything I've thrown at it to try to break it.

Nice work, thank you.

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[slim] Re: Help required, how do I ......

2006-01-08 Thread Michaelwagner

OTOH there is some work being done right now on softsqueeze to improve
it's sychronization abilities ... check out
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19823


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[slim] Re: How to play songs with no gap

2006-01-08 Thread Eserim

WMP 10 does indeed cope with gapless, before I got my Rio Karma (and
started my translation to Vorbis) I used WMA/WMP for PC playback.

Now I have my Karma/SB2 combo I have gapless where-ever I go.

I use WinAmp to play on my PC and with a slight tweak to the settings
this handles gapless fine too.

So my advice, if you want gapless and compressed then go with Vorbis.

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[slim] Re: How to play songs with no gap

2006-01-08 Thread Michaelwagner

This thread shows just how quickly things change. Things you thought
were true even mere weeks ago can have changed in the mean time ...


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Re: [slim] Help required, how do I ......

2006-01-08 Thread Kevin Weller
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Weller wrote:
 But I suspect after doing so you'll be disappointed as IME they never 
 stay in sync for long.

With the latest beta the synchronisation has been rock solid so far 
today depite everything I've thrown at it. :)

Kevin


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[slim] Update On White Noise Bacground Issue/Bug

2006-01-08 Thread Neil Cameron
This may be related to bug 1718.

I reported a while ago occasional unbearably loud 'background' noise that 
happens occasionally when starting a new song on my system, usually when 
synched with SoftSqueeze.

I uusally have to restart Slimserver to get rid of it.

I was at a friend's house the other day with whom I 'shared' some files 
recently, when it started to happen on all my songs, and only my songs - he 
said that this had happened occasionally.

The only unique feature of my songs as that I always set the MP3 vilume to 
MAXIMUM on iTunes to get round the iPod EU volume restriction.  On a whim I 
selected all songs in iTunes and set them back to NORMAL volume.  It worked, 
and the problem has not recurred.

I am busy resetting all my songs at home to 80% VOL increase only, I need 
some boost, and will report back. But this might help solve some of these 
bugs previously reported...

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[slim] Re: Saving Playlists

2006-01-08 Thread Vulcanbomber

Yes I am using other software to create playlist and maintain my music.
Amarok.
This is a brilliant application, only availble in Linux.
However if I listening to squeezebox and hear something I lke, it's
still a  case of having to remeber it next time i go to the server
where Amarok is mounted.


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[slim] Re: Understanding of shutting down a Win XP Server

2006-01-08 Thread kefa

i'm running linux and I use the following plugin to shutdown the server
from the remote. it has a user selectable delay from 5 mins to 1 hour
so that you can use this as a sleep function, and to prevent someone
accidentally shutting down the server immediately (i use the machine
for desktop work).

I use the feature all the time and it works quite well. I even use it
as a quick and dirty way of telling the pc to shutdown (green, save
cost of electricity, not leaving machine exposed to hackers, etc) if I
want to leave the house when it is in the middle of some background
task (e.g. ripping cd, downloading files, rsyncing music folders, etc).
See the following link:

http://www.avdv70.dsl.pipex.com/shutdown

by the way - am I missing something here? You mention being able to
turn off your pc by pressing 1,2,3 on the remote. Is there some
shutdown functionality built in already that I have missed?


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[slim] Re: NAS JUST for file storage?

2006-01-08 Thread Michaelwagner

Happy New Year to you too!

I think you misunderstand the architecture of the Slim products.

The Slim in slim devices comes from the concept of a slim or thin
client, a music player that contains only the bare minimum needed to
get the job done. Everything else is on the network, meaning it profits
from economies that come down the pipe in later years without locking
you into the ones in the client. For instance, cheaper hard disks,
etc.

In practical terms, what that means is that the squeezeboxes contain
very little. 

They have the hardware and firmware to 
play music from the network, 
display text and graphics on the display, 
receive remote control codes and send them up the network.

Now, there is also limited firmware to display messages during client
bootup, to handle network setup, and to handle a few remote codes (like
reboot the client). But it's pretty limited.

So when you send CLI messages, you are sending them to slimserver, who
interprets where they need to be sent, and sends them there.

That's why all those people were looking for NASes that could run
slimserver. Because it has to be running *somewhere* just to work at
all.

There is also slimnetwork, where a web site on the internet substitutes
for slimserver and sends you music (but only from internet radio
stations, not songs on your own hard disk).

There is a project under way to break up the slim server code into
several smaller pieces. Because I think most people recognize that the
low level stuff that keeps the boxes supplied with audio and display
stuff is quite different in nature (and dispatching priority) than the
stuff that scans your music library and handles the web interface.

Then the different pieces could run at different priorities in the same
processor, or on totally different processors (if they communicate via a
network protocol).

Some people, like me and I gather you, want to actually drive the music
selection in a different way or by using different software. Then we
could leave some pieces of the supplied software out and substitute for
them ourselves.


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[slim] Re: Update On White Noise Bacground Issue/Bug

2006-01-08 Thread Michaelwagner

But bug 1718 shows as fixed.
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1718

But it clearly isn't fixed...
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19309

But I can't find anywhere where people filed bugs for the newer
occurrances, perhaps because it happens rarely and they're waiting to
reproduce.

A number of other people mention itunes volume adjustment ... that may
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Re: [slim] Moose - Awaiting server response

2006-01-08 Thread Dr Lovegrove
On 07/01/06, Kevin Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been looking for a way to look at what's in my SlimServer db and
 Moose (v.020) seems just the ticket...if I could get it working!

 I suspect I've done something daft.

 When I load the program it sits there 'Awaiting server response'. If I
 open the Library page the display at the bottom says 'Connected to
 server.. logging in.. please wait'.

 Local details: This is on Win XP Pro SP2, SlimServer is sitting on
 another machine and there's no security on it so username and password
 are blank, clicking the browser button brings up my SlimServer web page
 correctly, server IP contains the same IP as the server url, CLI port
 is at the default 9090 (I've no idea how to check it on SlimServer so I
 assume it's OK, I tried turning off the SP2 firewall and that didn't
 make any difference... I don't know what else I can tell you.

 Any ideas?

Excluding firewall issues, it could be an invalid setting in the options page.

The value in Server IP should just be a numeric IP address of the form:
xxx.xxx.x.xx
(no https or port numbers, etc)
CLI Port should just be 9090
And Username / Password should both be blank (no spaces, etc)..

They're the only settings which would cause this I think.

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[slim] What's the minimum slimserver version required for SB3?

2006-01-08 Thread jimwillsher

Hi all,

Does anybody know what is the earliest version of slimserver which will
work on the SB3?

I used to have an SB1, and version 5.x (5.4.1?) worked very reliably.
The service (on Linux) would run happily for weeks on end.

I've never had much luck with 6.0/6.1/6.2.1 (or later - I'm on nightly
builds at the moment). But I could live with it, just having to issue
service slimserver restart every couple of days.

Now that I have the SB3, with its inherent wireless issues, it's a
nightmare. I've just spent 20 minutes getting the thing to connect to
my wireless LAN again, after the slimserver software failed again.

(It never fails as such, e.g. the service is still running, but the
hardware cannot connect to the service and the http://ipaddress:9000
requests just freeze). I've just issued two service slimserver
restart messages and now it's responding again, which then enables me
to connect the ahrdware.

So my question: can I use 5.4.1 with my SB3 and still retain
fucntionality? I only play MP3 files and listen to shoutcast, I don't
(and won't) use the squeezenetwork stuff as my server runs 24x7 so I
have no need.

Any advice? Will 5.4.1 do what I need?

many thanks!


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[slim] Re: Snow!

2006-01-08 Thread Andrew B .

Is there a way for a user to change the text displayed? Xmas and New
Year have passed but I like the screensaver very much. It would be fun
to change it as the year progresses.

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[slim] Softsqueeze Synch Still Broken

2006-01-08 Thread Neil Cameron
I am on the latest Nightlies, Win XP and MP3 files on iTunes.

Despite following Richard's instructions as to synching SBs and Softsqueeze, 
I find that synch between the two (which was excellent) has been broken for 
some four or five weeks now.

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[slim] Re: True Type fonts

2006-01-08 Thread dangerous_dom

Thanks, but cant find that anywhere. Anyone got a link or an
alternative? I have a funky font i would love to use on my SB3 :)


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Re: [slim] Re: Best NAS Network Attached Storage for SqueezeBox 3?

2006-01-08 Thread Pat Farrell
On Sat, 2006-01-07 at 21:54 -0800, psm0110 wrote:
 looking at NAS as an alternative, and readyNAS is nice, but $600 is a
 might expensive when I can build a Linux or BSD box with RAID myself...
 am I missing the point somehow?

The NAS is targeted at folks who can't handle the work
of administering a Linux/*BSD box. It is a nice prepacked
solution.  Of course, the smart, talented and good looking folks
can make something better for the same price, or cheaper. 
Maybe both.

I've had two boxes running SlimServer over the past three years.
I've never spent any money on either. Both were machines left over
from some other project.


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Re: [slim] Help required

2006-01-08 Thread Mark Lanctot
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If anyone can help, i'm looking for some really
 basic steps on how to
 get started, ie,
 
 1. What s/w packages should I use
 2. How to Rip
 3. How to TAG/Manage 
 4. AS above for MP3's downloaded from the internet.
 

Personally I wouldn't ever use iTunes.  There are
heroic efforts underway to make it work with
SlimServer with sometimes limited success.  IMHO
iTunes is the problem - it just likes to take over
systems and do things its own way, not caring about
how other software programs might interact with it. 
It wants to do everything on its own and expects the
user to stop using anything else.  I call that rude
software behavior in my book and classify it as
malware.

I use EAC for ripping and Mp3tag for tagging.  EAC, in
particular, can be complicated and intimidating at
first but once you get it configured properly (there
are lots of guides on the net) it is far, far more
powerful than iTunes, and 100% accurate.

I used dBpowerAMP for a while.  It's more
user-friendly than EAC but it does not make 100%
accurate rips and the MP3 encoder is on a 30-day licence.






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[slim] Re: Is there a sneaky way...

2006-01-08 Thread Siduhe

Well in my own, slow little way I got there...I wrote a quick and dirty
script to convert the file path address on the playlists created in
MusicMagic to the same type of file path as Slimserver works on..and
hey presto all my playlists appeared.

Of course, having spent most of the weekend playing around with this, I
found out 5 mins ago that someone else has done exactly the same thing,
for exactly the same reasons, and a whole lot neater than me.

http://www.joejaworski.com/m3u/

Thanks for the help Michael - it's really obvious now I think about it
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[slim] Squeezenetwork versus Slimserver - Could they be friends?

2006-01-08 Thread Russell Mulcahy
I have just upgraded to an SB3 (very happy with that) and have now got 
access to Squeezenetwork. The concept looks pretty good and might be the 
seed of some serious market uniqueness for Slimdevices. The current 
implementation, though might have have a missed a trick. Essentially, 
the SB3 is either logged onto Squeezenetwork, or onto my server but 
never both.


Wouldn't it be better if the box could (optionally?) use Squeezenetwork 
for some things (such as the clock display and alarms) and stay logged 
in to my local server? I could use the SB as an alarm, for example, 
without having to leave my server on or explicitly log between 
Squeezenetwork and my local server when I want to stream music.


Or perhaps there is some constraint here I don't understand?

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[slim] Re: Softsqueeze Synch Still Broken

2006-01-08 Thread funkstar

There is another thread about this.

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19823

Looks like the Beta source for SS 2.0 fixes the buffer/sync issues


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[slim] Re: Help required

2006-01-08 Thread Siduhe

If you don't want to get a rip program with all the bells and whistles
of EAC - I find audiograbber pretty good, easy to use and it's
freeware.


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[slim] Re: Help required

2006-01-08 Thread Badger

Thanks for your comments Mark/Cejay.

I agree, I-Tunes seems to be making a mess of everything. From reading
through all of these forums, it apears to be a common theme. Also, lots
of mentions of MMM and Moodlogic, so I have just downloaded the latter.
I don't fully understand everything it does yet. 

So my Q now is, being experienced users, how do you advise me to start
(ie from scratch).

eg:

1. Rip CD's to MP3 using EAC/MP3tag etc to 1 place (my music?)
2. Organise/Tag and create play-list using Mood logic
3. Point Slim server to Mood logic
4. Same as above for downloading MP3's?

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[slim] Re: Snow!

2006-01-08 Thread James

The message texts are in file Server/Plugins/Snow.pm and can be edited.


Don't add any tabs or new lines to the strings as they're used for
record separation.

You'll need to restart SlimServer to pick up any changes.

James


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Re: [slim] Moose - Awaiting server response

2006-01-08 Thread Kevin Weller
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dr Lovegrove wrote:
 Excluding firewall issues, it could be an invalid setting in the options page.

Or it could be that the seat to keyboard interface is an idiot! I suspect the 
fact that it is now working was somehow facilitated by me, somewhat belatedly, 
disabling the firewall from both machines rather than just one! Sorry.

Moose is rather a nice and useful of piece of software - thank you. 

May I make a suggestion? I'd like to keep this running all of the time so if it 
sat in the system tray when minimised (perhaps defaulting to minimise to system 
tray when I accidentally hit close!) and, when I put my mouse pointer over the 
Moose system tray icon, it displayed the details of the currently playing 
tracks 
for the selected player that would be rather excellent!

If you did that perhaps the RMB button on the system tray icon could contain  
'now playing, library and exit?

I think I may have a minor bug. The selected player is currently playing Alien 
Afternoon by Genesis from Calling All Stations. Moose is showing the filename 
under Track (which may be WAD), Artist is shown as 'G' and Album is showing as 
'Genesis'. The display is similar for any track it plays. The Slimserver web 
page is showing 'Alien Afternoon by Genersis from Calling all Stations'.

Kevin


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[slim] Re: Understanding of shutting down a Win XP Server

2006-01-08 Thread Skunk

kefa Wrote: 
 
 turn off your pc by pressing 1,2,3 on the remote. Is there some
 shutdown functionality built in already that I have missed?
 

Thank you, I thought I was tripping or something. I'm assuming the
power button on the remote won't actually send a magic packet to run
startup on the pc as well. (?) 

Your argument sounds good, Pat, but if you put all your PC electronics
in a box that size it's going to be 'hot to the touch' as well. Also,
your DAC actually consumes about 1/10 of the wattage you suggest.


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[slim] Wireless WPA/TKIP

2006-01-08 Thread PeterBorner

Hi,

I'm trying to connect my Squeezebox to my slimserver using the wireless
WPA/TKIP protocol/encryption. I have a Cisco 830 series Integrated
Services Router at home and it doesn't seem to be able to connect. Has
anyone any experience of doing this? If I switch the ISR into migration
mode I can connect using 128 bit WEP encryption but that's not secure
enough for the rest of my network!

Thanks,

Peter


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Re: [slim] Moose - Awaiting server response

2006-01-08 Thread Kevin Weller
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Weller wrote:
 I think I may have a minor bug.

Having closed and restarted Moose that issue has gone away.

Kevin


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Re: [slim] Moose - Awaiting server response

2006-01-08 Thread Dr Lovegrove
On 08/01/06, Kevin Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dr Lovegrove wrote:
 Or it could be that the seat to keyboard interface is an idiot! I suspect the
 fact that it is now working was somehow facilitated by me, somewhat belatedly,
 disabling the firewall from both machines rather than just one! Sorry.

Ah, good stuff.. Gotta love firewalls.. :-)

 Moose is rather a nice and useful of piece of software - thank you.

Thanks, you're welcome..

 May I make a suggestion? I'd like to keep this running all of the time so if 
 it
 sat in the system tray when minimised (perhaps defaulting to minimise to 
 system
 tray when I accidentally hit close!) and, when I put my mouse pointer over the
 Moose system tray icon, it displayed the details of the currently playing 
 tracks
 for the selected player that would be rather excellent!

Well, scarily, I spent a bit of time this afternoon implementing a
tray icon. Seems to be working quite well, so expect it in the next
release..

 If you did that perhaps the RMB button on the system tray icon could contain
 'now playing, library and exit?

Yup - currently trying to get the tooltip to display the current playing song..

 I think I may have a minor bug. The selected player is currently playing Alien
 Afternoon by Genesis from Calling All Stations. Moose is showing the filename
 under Track (which may be WAD), Artist is shown as 'G' and Album is showing as
 'Genesis'. The display is similar for any track it plays. The Slimserver web
 page is showing 'Alien Afternoon by Genersis from Calling all Stations'.

Yes, there are two display modes - paths and tags. In paths mode it
assumes the parent folder to the currently playing track is the album
name, and the parent to that is the artist. If this isnt how you have
your music arranged, click on the 'Viewing:Paths' button at the bottom
and it'll show you the tags instead. I dont think it remembers which
mode it's in for next time yet though..

NB: It also toggles these two modes when you click anywhere on the now
playing background. I should probably disable this now..

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[slim] Re: How to play songs with no gap

2006-01-08 Thread CavesOfTQLT

I can confirm that flac is gapless, though if you set up synchronization
between Squeezeboxen then there will be a slight gap due to the sync
process.


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Re: [slim] Re: Understanding of shutting down a Win XP Server

2006-01-08 Thread Pat Farrell
On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 09:40 -0800, Skunk wrote:
 Your argument sounds good, Pat, but if you put all your PC electronics
 in a box that size it's going to be 'hot to the touch' as well. Also,
 your DAC actually consumes about 1/10 of the wattage you suggest.

Wow, you are correct, I just checked the Benchmark site, and they
claim 8 watts typical, 18 watts max. It isn't quite literally
too hot to touch, but it is warm and close to
too hot to hold. I had a handful of old CPU finned cooler
and scattered them around the top just to add some surface area.

My SlimServer is in a full sized tower case, with fans.
It is almost silent, and too far into the cold dark basement
to worry about :-) It also has a plastic window on the side
and colored fans with LEDs and a cool cathode light
as part of its prior life.



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Re: [slim] Help required

2006-01-08 Thread Kevin Weller
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Badger wrote:
 Also, lots 
 of mentions of MMM and Moodlogic, so I have just downloaded the latter.

I downloaded and paid for Moodlogic some time ago and it was a complete 
waste of money, Development seems dead, the on-line library had very few 
tracks in that corresponded with anything I have and it failed to 
identify just about everything despite all files being properly tagged. 
Emails to the support email address received no reply.

MMM OTOH is an excellent piece of software that is actively being 
developed and supported. The author is also very receptive to 
suggestions. I kissed the money I spent on Moodlogic goodbye and happily 
registered MMM; a decision I have never regretted.

Before you waste any time on Moodlogic you may like to have a look at MMM 
(IMO of course).

Kevin


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[slim] Re: Understanding of shutting down a Win XP Server

2006-01-08 Thread Toby

Pressing the 3 buttons is for the program 'xPLHal'
I've installed on my WIN XP machine
(http://www.xplproject.org.uk/modules.php?op=modloadname=
Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewarticleartid=31page=1)
It seems that the link doesn't work at this time.
'xPLHal' communicates with the remote.
Pressing the power button sends the magic packet (it must be so)
because after that my server is back again.

Thanks for the Linux tips!


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[slim] Re: Synchronization

2006-01-08 Thread Dave2

Has there been any progress on a possibly related issue of gapless
playback?:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19130highlight=gapless

Softsqueeze 2.2 does not give me gapless flac
playback . . . . (An earlier version worked fine.
My SB2 is also fine.) Some other users have 
reported the same problem here and on Softsqueeze's 
own forum, http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=362090.

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[slim] Re: Special characters (accents, etc)

2006-01-08 Thread Michaelwagner

Alex: I got your file and it plays on my machine. Doesn't crash the
server. 

Now it plays a little oddly, because the title shows up as
Andúrilúúú by Howard Shoreú.

I'm not sure I got the right number of trailing 'ú's.

That needs to be fixed. Whether fixing this will fix the crash on your
machine ... well, it's hard to predict. 

I can tell you, just from the left hand pane in the slim ui that you
have both id3v1 and id3v2 tags in this file. That may be a good thing
or it may not, depending on whether you're happy the erroneous padding
stopped at 30 characters or not. 

There are some other odd things about these tags. This claims to be
track 255, which seems unlikely but I don't think anything in slim
cares, except for sorting purposes. 

According to Tag  Rename, the title really is stored as
Andúrilúúú and also Howard Shore's name was similarly
butchered. This is in both the id3v1 and id3v2 tags. Also the comment
field is a string of what look like hex digits.

Tag  Rename, for the v2 tags, shows a longer string of hex digits in
the comment field. Slim doesn't show the comment field, although I'm
not sure why. And in the V2 tags, it puts 255/-1 for the track #. I've
never seen that before. I'll have to look at the actual tag encodings
to see what's going on there. 

Someone has put a BPM tag into this file. 135.18. Did you do that?

Does this file you sent me still crash your system? If so, I'll need
more details of when it crashed, what player(s) you have tried to play
it on, when the server crashes, how you have your display set up, what
operating system, etc.

Triode: you wrote:
 The display is built up from 6 components:
 
 Line1 - left justified text on top line
 Line2 - same for bottom line [this bit can scroll]
 
 overlay1 - right justified text on top line [normall used for progress
 bar/count]
 overlay2 - right justified text on bottom line [normally used for
 arrow/notes symbols]
 
 center1/center2 - centered text on line 1 or 2
 
 Now only line1 has the code to protect against utf8 strings being sent
 to the display code. 

Did you really mean only line1 has code to protect it? Or did you mean
line 2 (according to your naming system). AFAIK, nothing from the song
goes into line one. It only ever says Playing or Stopped and (1 of 1)
and those sorts of things. 

I was about to go off and do something else now, but over the next few
days I'll examine the tags more and see how slim handles them and see
what I can figure out.


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[slim] Re: Announce: Java-based server, SlightServer 0.2

2006-01-08 Thread Listener

I appreciate your effort in making this program. Some comments:

1. I downloaded the zip file. The link didn't work the first time; it
timed out.  The second time, I got to the sendmefile.com site but it
was VERY slow.  Then it forced me to stare at the ads for at least a
minute before I got the download link.  This free service is annoying!

2. I followed the instructions in your email and placed the unzipped
files in c:\test\slightserver-0.2.

3. I edited the slightserver.properties file with a text editor and
changed the last line to

# music_dir=${user.home}/music
music_dir=c:/My Music/music

I have an iTunes library elsewhere but your format for the path isn't
right for Windows XP (c:\documents...\user\My Documents\My Music.  And
the iTunes library is below that level in iTunes\iTunes Music. I didn't
want to try to guess what iTunes folder I needed to point to.

I have a shortcut to C:\My Music in the iTunes library folder.  I tried
to point slightserver to the simple c:\My Music folder as a way to get
started.

4. I opened a command line window, changed the current directory as you
specified and ran the slightserver.bat file as you specified.  I got an
error message 'The system could not find the path specified.  I
attached a screenshot of the command line window.

5. Different versions of Windows had different conventions on placement
of music files and other things.  You need to make your scheme work for
Win 98 (original, SE and ME) and XP.  And maybe Win 2000.  It would be
simpler to let the user browse to the right directory.  And you need to
specify which level for the iTunes hierarchy.

6. I realize that this is an alpha release.  However, your instructions
need to be better.  The process didn't work for me and the instructions
didn't give me any help in resolving the problem.

Bill


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[slim] Re: Update On White Noise Bacground Issue/Bug

2006-01-08 Thread biomech

This is definitely still a problem.  I posted this in an earlier thread.
All MP3s on which I have used the iTunes volume adjust feature generate
a hideously loud white noise when played back on my SB3 if the SB3's
Volume Adjustment was turned on.

As a test, I took a track that sounded fine on the Squeezebox:

1) Increased the volume slightly in iTunes
2) Set the volume adjustment back to zero in iTunes
3) Rescanned my library in Slimserver
4) Played the song on the Squeezebox
5) Nearly destroyed my speakers

For more information please see my original THREAD.

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19456

No one#8217;s given me a solution yet other than shutting off SB3's
smart Volume Adjustment feature.

Neil Cameron Wrote: 
 On a whim I selected all songs in iTunes and set them back to NORMAL
 volume.  It worked, and the problem has not recurred. 
 Neil
How did you reset the volume?  I tried moving the slider back to zero
(the center position) and it still didn't work.  For me, no matter what
the volume setting is, even if it's been slightly raised, I get the
white noise problem.


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[slim] Access SqueezeNetwork via web interface?

2006-01-08 Thread Kyle

Is this possible?  I can't figure out how to do it.


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[slim] Re: What's the minimum slimserver version required for SB3?

2006-01-08 Thread Dan Sully

* jimwillsher shaped the electrons to say...


Does anybody know what is the earliest version of slimserver which will
work on the SB3?


Jim - any of the 6.x series will work. 5.4.x will not.


I used to have an SB1, and version 5.x (5.4.1?) worked very reliably.
The service (on Linux) would run happily for weeks on end.

I've never had much luck with 6.0/6.1/6.2.1 (or later - I'm on nightly
builds at the moment). But I could live with it, just having to issue
service slimserver restart every couple of days.


Do you happen to have a crash log? I'd love to know what's causing the crash.

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[slim] Re: True Type fonts

2006-01-08 Thread Dan Sully

* dangerous_dom shaped the electrons to say...


Thanks, but cant find that anywhere. Anyone got a link or an
alternative? I have a funky font i would love to use on my SB3 :)


http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?UnicodeFonts

Has the list and links. You only need one.

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Re: [slim] Access SqueezeNetwork via web interface?

2006-01-08 Thread kdf


On 8-Jan-06, at 11:54 AM, Kyle wrote:



Is this possible?  I can't figure out how to do it.

not from the slimserver web interface, but there is 
http://squeezenetwork.com


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[slim] Re: Feature request: gapless crossfade type

2006-01-08 Thread shlomomofo


A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19736

Question: quot;gaplessquot; crossfade type would be useful

- Yes - I'd use it
- No - not interested


i registered just to post this message...

squeezebox looks awesome, but the lack of gapless mp3 playback is a
dealbreaker for me, and probably for a lot of other people too.  i
think more people use lame mp3 than either ogg or flac, even though
those formats are superior in terms of quality.

all lame mp3s have tags to make gapless playback posssible, for
example:
enc_delay = 576
enc_padding = 1812
mp3_accurate_length = yes

foobar2000 is able to do perfect gapless playback using this info.  i
have about 120 gigs of music, mostly in lame mp3.  i was all set to get
a squeezebox, until i discovered it couldn't do gapless mp3.  hopefully
this gets fixed soon.  everything else about the slimserver/squeezebox
setup is really sweet.

btw, there's probably way more views than votes because prospective
buyers look here to find that squeezebox can't play their dark side of
the moon mp3s gaplessly, and then they move on.


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[slim] Re: Remote Button Sensitivity

2006-01-08 Thread luga00

Yes, a very annoying problem which also happens with wma lossless. I
only experience this when a track is playing however.


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[slim] Re: Update On White Noise Bacground Issue/Bug

2006-01-08 Thread Dan Sully

* biomech shaped the electrons to say...


This is definitely still a problem.  I posted this in an earlier thread.
All MP3s on which I have used the iTunes volume adjust feature generate
a hideously loud white noise when played back on my SB3 if the SB3's
Volume Adjustment was turned on.


This should be fixed in the 6.2.2 nightlies.

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[slim] Re: Snow!

2006-01-08 Thread Andrew B .

Thanks!

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[slim] Re: Update On White Noise Bacground Issue/Bug

2006-01-08 Thread Michaelwagner

I'm not sure you're going to find a solution. It should never happen.
It appears to be a bug, so no one's likely to tell you to just turn off
some feature. 

There seem to be one to several ways to trigger this white noise
problem. iTunes volume adjustment is one, but there are other people
who have had this problem who have been listening to the radio, so we
likely have several causes for the same symptom.

The problem until this point is that no one could reproduce it - it
seemed to happen at random.

Now that you have a reproduceable case, you (or someone) needs to file
a bug report, in order to get the bug squashed. Can you do this? 

If you don't feel up to it, I could help you through it. Or you could
send me the file and I could do it.


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[slim] Re: Announce: Java-based server, SlightServer 0.2

2006-01-08 Thread clumsyoik

Listener Wrote: 
 I appreciate your effort in making this program. 
 
Thankyou.

 
 Some comments:
 
 1. I downloaded the zip file. The link didn't work the first time; it
 timed out.  The second time, I got to the sendmefile.com site but it
 was VERY slow.  Then it forced me to stare at the ads for at least a
 minute before I got the download link.  This free service is annoying!
 
Yeah, it took ages to upload too. I won't use that service again. 

 
 I have an iTunes library elsewhere but your format for the path isn't
 right for Windows XP (c:\documents...\user\My Documents\My Music.  And
 the iTunes library is below that level in iTunes\iTunes Music. I didn't
 want to try to guess what iTunes folder I needed to point to.
 
 I have a shortcut to C:\My Music in the iTunes library folder.  I tried
 to point slightserver to the simple c:\My Music folder as a way to get
 started.
 
I'm not sure what you mean by the format for the path isn't right.
You can put any path you like for the music_dir; directories are
specified by forward slashes, so you could put in
c:/documents.../user/My Documents/My Music

Also, on Windows, ${user.home} will expand to c:\documents and
settings\user, so you can use that.

I don't think shortcuts will work though, I haven't tested that.

 
 5. Different versions of Windows had different conventions on placement
 of music files and other things.  You need to make your scheme work for
 Win 98 (original, SE and ME) and XP.  And maybe Win 2000.  It would be
 simpler to let the user browse to the right directory.  And you need to
 specify which level for the iTunes hierarchy.
 
Absolutely correct. For now, it's a simple solution to default to
searching the user's home directory, with the ability to change it by
editing a text file.

I'd like to have a setup wizard. Patches are welcomed.

 
 6. I realize that this is an alpha release.  However, your instructions
 need to be better.  The process didn't work for me and the instructions
 didn't give me any help in resolving the problem.
 
Let's see if we can fix the problem now, then. The first thing that
stands out is your JAVA_HOME - \bin\java is is not the normal place for
java to be installed on Windows XP.

Can you post the results of the command:

c:\bin\java -version

Regards

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[slim] Re: What's the minimum slimserver version required for SB3?

2006-01-08 Thread jimwillsher

Thanks for the info.

No, no crash log. The thing is, slim doesn't crash. It just becomes
unresponsive. When I issue the service slimserver restart I am told
that it ends ok, rather than receiving any service wasn't running
messages. That's what's so frustrating, it's as if it gets into a
loop.

Real shame about the 5.4 / 6.0 thing though, as 6.x isn't nearly as
stable as 5.4.x was.


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[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp

2006-01-08 Thread morrison12

seanadams Wrote: 
 Note the geekport output is 3.3V, not 5.
 
 There's a chance it might still trigger a 5v solid-state relay, but
 don't count on it.

Related to this, I'm assuming something akin to an IR Linc (see [1])
should be used to connect the output of a Squeezebox to the (the IR
input of) a Xantech system (e.g. a 789-44 connecting block)with the
Xantech system use of 12V ?  Unless one uses an emitter on top of a
receiver ?

Is this the case ?

Thanks,
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[slim] Backing Up the Slimserver Database

2006-01-08 Thread Kevin Weller
Having just had an 'accident' I've restored my SlimServer program 
directory but am having to re-scan my music tracks to rebuild the 
database. The reason for that is that Slimserver runs 24/7 and 
SecondCopy (a Windows back-up program) says it can't back-up the 
database file as it in use.

Are there command lines I can use to tell SlimServer to shut down and 
restart that I can set up in Windows Scheduler? If I can do that I can 
schedule the back-up as well.

SecondCopy does actually have an option to try to ignore whether a file 
is in use but when I set that SlimServer stops whenever the back-up 
kicks in and doesn't restart.

Thanks.

(Be nice if Slimserver contained an option to backup the database to a 
specified directory at a specified time)

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[slim] Re: Announce: Java-based server, SlightServer 0.2

2006-01-08 Thread Listener

clumsyoik Wrote: 
 
 Let's see if we can fix the problem now, then. The first thing that
 stands out is your JAVA_HOME - \bin\java is is not the normal place for
 java to be installed on Windows XP.
 
 Can you post the results of the command:
 
 c:\bin\java -version
 
 Regards
 
 CO

I typed the command in a command line window and got a one line
response:

The system cannot find the path specified.

There is NO c:\bin directory on my C: drive.

I have a Start menu command Java 2 runtime environment with a single
sub-menu item Welcome to Java 2.  If I click on that item, I get a
web page on my hard disk at

file:///c:/Program%20Files/Java/j2re1.4.0/Welcome.html

I'd guess the Java runtime is installed in this directory.

As far as I can see, the \bin path was generated in your s/w.

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[slim] Re: Announce: Java-based server, SlightServer 0.2

2006-01-08 Thread clumsyoik

Listener Wrote: 
 I typed the command in a command line window and got a one line
 response:
 
 The system cannot find the path specified.
 
 There is NO c:\bin directory on my C: drive.
 
 I have a Start menu command Java 2 runtime environment with a single
 sub-menu item Welcome to Java 2.  If I click on that item, I get a
 web page on my hard disk at
 
 file:///c:/Program%20Files/Java/j2re1.4.0/Welcome.html
 
 I'd guess the Java runtime is installed in this directory.
 
 As far as I can see, the \bin path was generated in your s/w.
 
 Bill
The slightserver.bat script expects to find the java executable at
%JAVA_HOME%\bin\java. So the problem is almost certainly that your
JAVA_HOME is not set up. It may be my mistake to assume that this
environment variable is set up by default by the java installer. I'll
have to check.

Try the following command before running slightserver.bat:

set JAVA_HOME=c:\program files\Java\j2re1.4.0

(I'm guessing the path, from the location of the web page you quoted -
it should contain a bin directory, with a java executable inside
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[slim] Re: Announce: Java-based server, SlightServer 0.2

2006-01-08 Thread Listener

I looked at the batch file and saw that it expect the JAVA_HOME
environment variable to be set.

%JAVA_HOME%\bin\java -classpath ..; (more)

That variable is not set on my XP system.  The Java runtimes were
installed with the standard installer.

Softsqueeze works w/o the JAVA_HOME variable.

I can set the JAVA_HOME variable but I think you should check your
assumption.

 Next problem
In the Batch file you need to enclose the command name in quotes.   A
space in the path name of a command ends the command name.  Since
C:\Program Files\... is the standard place to install s/w under
windows, you need to fix this.

- Next problem
I started softsqueeze and got a message saying that I should click on
the up or down arrow.  When I did, I got two menu lines:
random play and albums - sorted by Artist(0).  If I click on
albums ..., I get a blank 2nd line.  If I go back to the previous
menu and click on random play, I get a display showing 00:00 followed
by what looks like a speaker symbol and a bar.

Dead end.  I guess Slightserver didn't find my music library.

--- next problem
Ending execution of Softsqueeze caused an exception.  See attached
screenshot.

-
I'm done until Slightserver is a bit farther along.

Bill


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[slim] Re: Remote Button Sensitivity

2006-01-08 Thread Triode

Assuming you are playing lossless transcoded to flac, I think it is the
same problem as in the bug I referenced.

For the moment if you don't mind eating more cpu on the server and a
bit more network bandwidth, you can alter server settings file types to
avoid sending flac to the player:
disable: wav-flc, wma-flc, flc-flc


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[slim] Re: Announce: Java-based server, SlightServer 0.2

2006-01-08 Thread clumsyoik

 
 random play and albums - sorted by Artist(0).  If I click on
 albums ..., I get a blank 2nd line.  If I go back to the previous
 menu and click on random play, I get a display showing 00:00 followed
 by what looks like a speaker symbol and a bar.
 
 Dead end.  I guess Slightserver didn't find my music library.
 
 -
 I'm done until Slightserver is a bit farther along.
 

Thanks for your efforts. If you do find a little spare time, I'd be
interested to see your slightserver.properties, so I can work out why
it didn't find your library.

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Re: [slim] Backing Up the Slimserver Database

2006-01-08 Thread Dr Lovegrove
On 08/01/06, Kevin Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 (Be nice if Slimserver contained an option to backup the database to a
 specified directory at a specified time)

Be pretty handy for Moose too as pointing it at the 'live' db file
causes all sorts of grief..

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[slim] Re: Synchronization

2006-01-08 Thread rtitmuss

I have released a new version of Softsqueeze 2.3. This will be in the
6.2 nightlies or you can download it from Sourceforge
(http://softsqueeze.sourceforge.net). Later in the week I'll release a
new version on the trunk.

This fixes (for me anyway!) sync. I've been listening with out problem
for nearly a couple of hours now. Gapless flac playback should also
working again, but I have not tested this (please let me know).


Several times people have asked how the buffering / sync works, so if
you interested in what the problems were please read on.

Three audio buffers are used in Softsqueeze; the decoder buffer holds
encoded audio (mp3, flac, etc), the output buffer holds pcm samples,
finally the small javasound buffer holds the samples written by
Softsqueeze to the audio device. When two or more players are sync'd
then the slimserver starts streaming the encoded audio but leaves all
the players paused. The players send status information back to the
slimserver reporting how fully the audio buffers are, when all players
have enough data in the decoder buffer then the unpause command is send
to all payers.

The first problem was a recently introduced typo that caused a block of
silence to be written into the output buffer when a new track started to
be decoded in Softsqueeze. This also broke gapless flac playback. Doh!

The Squeezebox decodes audio a few bytes at a time so it does not take
long for the decoded pcm samples to play out of your speakers following
the unpause command. In Java the most efficient to stream audio is to
decode blocks of audio data, Softsqueeze uses a block size of 128000
bytes. It takes too long to decode a full audio block and start
playback compared to the process in a hardware player. So Softsqueeze
cheats, it starts decoding while the player is paused to reduce the
latency when playback starts.

The second problem was that sometimes the decoder buffer had reached
the playback threshold and the unpause command sent but the first block
of audio had not yet been decoded. This made Softsqueeze play behind the
Squeezebox. To fix this Softsqueeze now sends zero buffer fullness until
some samples have been decoded to the output buffer, causing all players
to wait until Softsqueeze is ready to start playback.

The opposite problem also exists, if the hardware player is slow to
buffer (say working wirelessly) then Softsqueeze might have decoded
lots of pcm samples. I then found that the first write to the javasound
buffer could take too long, again causing lack of sync.

Now to help smoothly start playback both the decoder and output buffers
are filled using an exponentially increasing block size, starting with
4096 bytes until the maximum block size is reached. This helps control
the playback latency, but this approach does increase the risk of an
audio buffer underrun at the start of a track. Only with wider testing
can we be sure the balance here is correct.

I hope this now works for everyone!!

Richard


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[slim] Re: Announce: Java-based server, SlightServer 0.2

2006-01-08 Thread Listener

clumsyoik Wrote: 
 Thanks for your efforts. If you do find a little spare time, I'd be
 interested to see your slightserver.properties, so I can work out why
 it didn't find your library.
 
 CO

I already listed the only change I made to the properties file but here
is the entire file.

Bill


#
# slightserver.properties
#
# Use a single forward slash as the file 
# separator for all OS's, including Windows.
# ${user.home} will be expanded to the user's 
# home directory, typically /home/fred on linux
# and c:\Documents and Settings\fred on Windows.
#
database_dir=${user.home}/.slightserver/database
transcode_cache_dir=${user.home}/.slightserver/transcode-cache
transcode_cache_max_size=120M
podcast_cache_dir=${user.home}/music/podcasts
# music_dir=${user.home}/music
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[slim] Re: MoodLogic Problem

2006-01-08 Thread PeterBorner

PeterBorner Wrote: 
 I'm seeing a double count and a duplicate tracks. I've tried clearing
 the database and re-scanning but still have the same problem.


I figured this out! 

I had both the music directory and the MoodLogic database loaded and
scanned. I removed the music directory setting, cleared the database
and rescanned... correct number of tracks and no duplicates.


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Re: [slim] Backing Up the Slimserver Database

2006-01-08 Thread Andy Hawkins
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   Kevin Weller[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are there command lines I can use to tell SlimServer to shut down and 
 restart that I can set up in Windows Scheduler? If I can do that I can 
 schedule the back-up as well.

net stop service name
net start service name

I don't know what the appropriate service name is for Slimserver is under
Windows, but it shouldn't be too hard to find.

Andy

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[slim] Re: Feature request: gapless crossfade type

2006-01-08 Thread dangerous_dom


A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19736

Question: quot;gaplessquot; crossfade type would be useful

- Yes - I'd use it
- No - not interested


shlomomofo Wrote: 
 i registered just to post this message...
 
 squeezebox looks awesome, but the lack of gapless mp3 playback is a
 dealbreaker for me, and probably for a lot of other people too.  i
 think more people use lame mp3 than either ogg or flac, even though
 those formats are superior in terms of quality.
 
 all lame mp3s have tags to make gapless playback posssible, for
 example:
 enc_delay = 576
 enc_padding = 1812
 mp3_accurate_length = yes
 
 foobar2000 is able to do perfect gapless playback using this info.  i
 have about 120 gigs of music, mostly in lame mp3.  i was all set to get
 a squeezebox, until i discovered it couldn't do gapless mp3.  hopefully
 this gets fixed soon.  everything else about the slimserver/squeezebox
 setup is really sweet.
 
 btw, there's probably way more views than votes because prospective
 buyers look here to find that squeezebox can't play their dark side of
 the moon mp3s gaplessly, and then they move on.

I can see where you are coming from, it's one of my biggest pet hates.
But can you name a device in the same league as the SB3 that can? Not
even the latest almighty Ipod cant do it -at all-. The problem is the
MP3 format (and WMA/AAC for that matter), not the Squeezebox. Foobar
does it well with a clever bit of cross fading 'workaround', which the
SB3 could do with an update to Slimserver.

But if you have ripped your MP3's using a later version of LAME,
without the padding frames that historically have always been added to
MP3's, you should find you get pretty good gapless playback. It's not
100% perfect, but nothing will be if people insist on sticking with
MP3.

However, i will say that i firmly believe companies like Slim Devices
do need to take this more seriously. People around here already have
one and not many people around here wont be buying one, because like
you say, they find out MP3 gapless playback it not very good and move
on. The number of people who really want a good gapless playback
solution for MP3's are vastly underestimated It's al very well for
people like me to say use a better format, but many people have massive
librarys of existing MP3's they need gapless playback for.

Really though, you are missing out. Unless you have stupid amounts of
cash to play with and buy a Sono's, don't be put off buying a SB3.


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[slim] Re: Special characters (accents, etc)

2006-01-08 Thread Michaelwagner

Triode Wrote: 
 if you find a crash in any of the display code I can look at it..
Thanks for the offer ... If I nail it down to that area, I'll call.


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[slim] Re: True Type fonts

2006-01-08 Thread dangerous_dom

Ok, i have converted some true type fonts to unicode ones, but in
slimserver under player settings  display  font, i still only have
the option for Light/standard/full?


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[slim] Re: True Type fonts

2006-01-08 Thread dangerous_dom

Also, it would seem that putting the unicode font BMP's in the graphics
folder causes Slimserver to crash when it starts :/


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[slim] Re: True Type fonts

2006-01-08 Thread Dan Sully

* dangerous_dom shaped the electrons to say...


Also, it would seem that putting the unicode font BMP's in the graphics
folder causes Slimserver to crash when it starts :/


No conversion is necessary.

All you need to do is drop one of the .TTF files in the Graphics directory.

The fonts on the settings page are sizes - and have nothing to do with the
Unicode/TTF setup. I'll make this more clear in a future version.

What version of the server are you running right now?

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[slim] Re: True Type fonts

2006-01-08 Thread dangerous_dom

I have been using a build of 6.5b1 from a few days ago because of some
updates to the CUE file handling (which is completely broken in 6.2.2).
Is that the cause of the crashes then?

As for the fonts, i have put both unicode and .TTF files in the
graphics folder, how do i use them then? i cant see the option
anywhere.


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[slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin

2006-01-08 Thread MrC

Hello Ben,

Progress on the skin is looking great.

Question: is there a Power Off button for a player anywhere?  I like to
use the web to poweroff the player (so that the off-mode screensaver
kicks in).

Also, in your newly checked in 5578, the file menu_radio.gif needs to
be checked in.


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[slim] Re: Feature request: gapless crossfade type

2006-01-08 Thread Michaelwagner


A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19736

Question: quot;gaplessquot; crossfade type would be useful

- Yes - I'd use it
- No - not interested


I'm not convinced that slimserver is the way to solve this problem.

To understand why, understand that there are (at least) 4 sources of
gaps in mp3 playback.

1. Silence in the original material (which should be left there).

2. Silence that the encoder put there (either out of a misguided sense
of needing it or because of an idea that padding was harmless). In
some subcases there, there are also tags attached to the file to show
how much was incorrect silence.

3. Silence that the SB hardware imposes in a song transition. It's my
understanding that this is quite small.

4. Silence that occurs because of a network problem just as the buffer
for the old song runs down and the buffer hasn't started to fill yet
for the new song.

5. Silence that occurs because, in a synched playback environment, all
the players stop and wait for them all to partly fill their buffers
before starting the next track.

There may be other sources I don't know about, but let's start with
these 5.

Which one are you asking us to vote on?

Because my answer isn't the same for all.

I believe slim should work on 3-5, in order to make the hardware output
as faithful to the original as possible.

I don't think anyone should automatically be removing silence from (1).
The problem is, it is indistinguishable from (2) without intensive
scrutiny. 

I would agree to Slim interpreting the silence tags if the encoder put
them in.

But I don't think Slim should act automatically, at run time, as if it
knows better. This sounds like the right place for an off-line program,
that lets you listen to the tips and tails of a song and decide where
the song should begin and end playback and tag the files
appropriately.

In fact, I'd go further and say that support should be added to SB2/3s
to send them a file and a set of start and end timestamps. That could
be used for trimming silence (in this case) but also for playing a file
fragment. For instance, if you don't like the applause at the beginning
or the end of a live track, you could say by tagging that you don't
want in general to hear it. That would not remove the sound from the
track, it's still there in case you want to hear it, but in general,
when it's played, it's left out.

My $0.02


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[slim] Announce: WinSlim

2006-01-08 Thread radish

As part of another development effort (see my post on the developers
forum) I've ended up with WinSlim - a very simple, small control panel
for your players which runs as a native Windows app. Current features
are basic - play, pause, skip tracks, volume, etc but it suits my
needs. It also responds to the Media Control buttons found on many
keyboards. The library stats also update in real time which is nice
when watching a rescan to see when it will be done :)

More details and the download are here:

http://www.adamreeve.com/software/

Note - this is a beta and so comes with no guarantees! 

It's not open source yet but will be soon. I'm not touting this as the
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[slim] Re: Synchronization should use fine-grained network clock

2006-01-08 Thread mikew

In order to maintain sub-ms clock accuracy, ntp requires significant
support from the host operating system, which the squeezeboxen may not
have in place. Under linux, there is an entire kernel process devoted
to system time, with a corresponding API for slewing the time in a
gapless fashion to maintain a highly accurate system time (which is NOT
based on the RTC, but the processor clocks while the system is
running--the RTC is read/set only on system startup/shutdown). ntp may
have impose too much overhead for small embedded devices; not positive
though.


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[slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin

2006-01-08 Thread bklaas

Thanks to KDF and Grotus on helping me debug the two things that were
giving me the most grief with the skin-- identifying radio streams when
playing and getting a player chooser pull-down menu to work on every
page (for those streaming to more than one player).

I checked in several notable changes over the last few days. If you are
using this skin for work or play, I suggest you get the new daily on
Monday, or update your svn tree.

-- now playing page has a custom layout when playing remote streams
-- added a radio URL tune-in form on the browse radio page
-- misc layout improvements
-- player chooser pull-down shows up in upper-right of nav bar on all
pages (when using more than one player)
-- home page layout changes
-- the top nav no longer has the back button, and I added a browse
radio button. I was resistant to remove the back button, even though it
was redundant with the Nokia's HW back key, because I'm left-handed and
find those buttons fairly inconvenient for me. However, Dean @
slimdevices convinced me that using a javascript:history.back() button
was problematic when interfacing with the slimserver, so away it goes.
I'll just have to start learning to use that HW key I guess...

There's still a lot to do, but I think the skin is in pretty darn good
shape now. I'll keep you all posted.

cheers,
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[slim] Slimserver 6.2.1 hangs at starting slimserver...

2006-01-08 Thread erica

I got slimserver downloarded and running once, but after several hours,
it crashed. Since then, it won't restart. I've tried reinstalling
slimserver but experience the same issue: slimserver starting
message. I can't access slimserver directly via the web brower. I run
XP but don't have a personal firewall running. Help!


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[slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin

2006-01-08 Thread bklaas

Boy, MrC, you are quick...I had just checked that stuff in. Thanks,
though--I never remember to add new images to the tree.

No idea about the potential for a power-off button on the skin. Will
look into that.

While we are on the subjet of icons, I have a request of the
SlimNokiaSkinUsers of the World. I am going to remove 'internet radio'
from the main selection of icons on 'home' since it is now found on the
top nav bar. 

I want to replace it with a link to 'new music', but I have two
problems:
1. I have no idea what a 'new music' icon should look like
2. I am abysmal at making icons

Anyone want to design one for the project? You can use one of the
existing icons as a template for size/color/dimensions. If you do, post
ideas and work to the thread, so others know not to waste days and days
on such a noble and just task.

cheers,
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[slim] looks like softsqueeze 2.3 is ready for download

2006-01-08 Thread jackaninny

https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=105169

the only thing i see under changes are:

Fixed sync - Fixed gapless FLAC playback


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[slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin

2006-01-08 Thread malsbury

bklaas Wrote: 
 I want to replace it with a link to 'new music', but I have two
 problems:
 1. I have no idea what a 'new music' icon should look like
 2. I am abysmal at making iconsMaybe something along the lines of this:
http://musicbox.sourceforge.net/musicbox.png 

I was thinking that it looks like a package that just got opened...
just a jumping off point for thought. It would take someone with much
more skill then I have to make a similar image in the flat gray style
of the other Touch/Nokia770 icons.

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[slim] Re: Announce: WinSlim

2006-01-08 Thread ezkcdude

This is off topic, but I love your safari photos. If you don't mind me
asking, what equipment do you use? I'm interested, because I went on a
safari this past summer in Masai Mara, Kenya. I have some pics online
here:

http://www.cellandtissue.com/Africa2005/Slides/index.html


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Re: [slim] Re: Help required

2006-01-08 Thread Mark Lanctot
EAC quickstart guide:
http://users.pandora.be/satcp/eac-qs-en.htm

In-depth guide:
http://users.pandora.be/satcp/tutorials.htm

Note the quickstart guide is newer and its suggestions
for MP3 arguments supercede those of the in-depth
guide.

But if you're ripping a CD, you should be ripping in
FLAC anyway.  Reserve MP3 ripping for portable
devices.

There are many more tutorials that can be found using
google.

Mp3tag is simple enough that no tutorial is really
required.  One hint though - remove ID3v1 tags and
only write ID3v2 tags.  Otherwise entries will be
limited to 30 characters.

I don't use MoodLogic so I can't help there.

Regarding downloading MP3s, use Mp3tag to check and
correct tags.  Be consistent so that SlimServer will
handle it consistently as well.  Mp3tag makes
consistency easy since you can sort by field and make
mass changes.

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 Thanks for your comments Mark/Cejay.
 
 I agree, I-Tunes seems to be making a mess of
 everything. From reading
 through all of these forums, it apears to be a
 common theme. Also, lots
 of mentions of MMM and Moodlogic, so I have just
 downloaded the latter.
 I don't fully understand everything it does yet. 
 
 So my Q now is, being experienced users, how do you
 advise me to start
 (ie from scratch).
 
 eg:
 
 1. Rip CD's to MP3 using EAC/MP3tag etc to 1 place
 (my music?)
 2. Organise/Tag and create play-list using Mood
 logic
 3. Point Slim server to Mood logic
 4. Same as above for downloading MP3's?
 
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[slim] Re: Problem with SlimServMon Widget for Konfabulator

2006-01-08 Thread acebathound

I gotta say.. I'm just as perplexed by everyone else at the fuss the
author made about this widget.  He wrote several cease  desist letters
to me, claiming he would soon be releasing his update and didn't want
multiple versions out there, yet 2 months later he has still not made
any progress on getting his software updated  uploaded.

I'm going to try to get something up in the next few days since it
appears he has no new timeframe for when the fixed version will be
released.  No promises it will work with OSX or be 100% bug free, but
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[slim] Re: Announce: WinSlim

2006-01-08 Thread radish

ezkcdude Wrote: 
 This is off topic, but I love your safari photos. If you don't mind me
 asking, what equipment do you use? I'm interested, because I went on a
 safari this past summer in Masai Mara, Kenya. I have some pics online
 here:
 
 http://www.cellandtissue.com/Africa2005/Slides/index.html

Glad you like them :)  Most are taken with a Canon 20D and 75-300 IS
USM - the specs should be below each one.


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Re: [slim] Slimserver 6.2.1 hangs at starting slimserver...

2006-01-08 Thread Mark Lanctot
Go to Start - Run and type:

services.msc

I'm not on my SlimServer computer right now, but I
believe it should either be called Slim or SlimServer.
 Right-click on it. Either select Stop, then Start or
try Restart.

However the abnormal starting problem may need more
troubleshooting - someone else will have to comment on
that.

Try to start it normally again though.  Perhaps it was
just a slight glitch after installation.

--- erica [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 I got slimserver downloarded and running once, but
 after several hours,
 it crashed. Since then, it won't restart. I've tried
 reinstalling
 slimserver but experience the same issue:
 slimserver starting
 message. I can't access slimserver directly via the
 web brower. I run
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[slim] Re: Announce: WinSlim

2006-01-08 Thread eliw

Hello mate,

Great work !

Does rescan on Winslim the same thing as rescan when done on the web
interface? ie willit pick up new addes tracks etc...

Also why not just go the full nine yard and reproduce the entire option
setting capability of the web based interface ?

I'd love something that ca do that, as using the web interface is so
cumbersome and slow...

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[slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin

2006-01-08 Thread MrC

Ben,

I played with a couple of images.  First, I added a note symbol to the
Music Folder.  I didn't clean it up, but was wondering what you 
thought of the idea.

Second, I created a New Music image.  I thought of those cheesy New!
starbursts you see in magazines.  I haven't decided how much I like the
idea, but thought I'd toss out something for you to play with.

As for the Power On/Off code, the Default skin provides this ability. 
Basically it has an anchor tag with an href with three parameters to
status_header.html (p0=power, p1=0 (for off, 1 for on), and a playerid
playerid=xyz).


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[slim] Re: Slimserver 6.2.1 hangs at starting slimserver...

2006-01-08 Thread erica

no slim* in the services.msc management console. I guess that would
explain why it won't start... How do I fix?


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[slim] Re: Synchronization

2006-01-08 Thread DABurleigh

Richard,

Last night tried both 2.2 downloaded with Slimserver over Christmas,
and then latest 2.3, but my wireless SB3 is still significantly (0.5 to
1 sec?) BEHIND Softsqueeze on Windows XP Pro. If I could have a
Softsqueeze delay knob . :-)

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[slim] Re: Problem with SlimServMon Widget for Konfabulator

2006-01-08 Thread twynne

It would be great if you're able to get a working version out.  Clearly
the guy isn't 'actively' working on it.  ;-)

I'm only interested in a Windows version so no worries if not working
on Mac (though I accept that there are others interested in Mac).  If I
can help test, PM me.

Cheers,

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