Re: Re: [Elecraft] Two K3's, Same Band, Same Time?

2008-10-30 Thread d.cutter
Hi Tom

Were you using linears as well?

David
G3UNA
  
  I would try it. We had two K3's in use at the Holland (MI !) field 
 day site, K8DAA on 20 meters. One on phone the other on CW. Sometime we 
 were within 50-75 kc's , oops, kHz of each other, with no ill effect. 
 The antennas were maybe 200 feet apart at the most, and they were not 
 looking into the ends of any dipole. Compare to years past, we have had 
 all kinds of problems with receiver overload and transmitter noise.
 
 tom K8TB
 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KRX3: AF Gain

2008-10-30 Thread Bill W4ZV



Mitch Wolfson  DJØQN wrote:
 
 
 Now I notice that my KRX3 sensitivity is much lower than the main
 receiver, 
 which wasn't the case when I installed it. I will try to figure that
 problem 
 out on my own or otherwise contact support.
 

Check your XFIL gain settings in the SUB vs MAIN.  If using a CW filter, it
could be you are not compensating for the additional insertion loss of
narrow filters in the SUB.

73,  Bill  W4ZV



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Re: [Elecraft] New 2.58 firmware - changed audio settings.

2008-10-30 Thread ab2tc

Hi,

No, I had not noticed that. I updated last night and worked several 80m DX
contacts (80m was in fantastic shape last night), but did not solicit nor
receive any audio reports. But I had no problems being heard and copied. I
also did not notice any difference in the ALC readings nor did I notice any
change in my analog metering of the RF output. I run with a compression
setting of 20.

This is not the first time people are reporting mysterious and apparently
unintended changes to the audio processing, both on the receive and transmit
side. And almost never do we hear any confirmations or denials from
Elecraft. Are you sure the changes are for real or could it be that your
buddies have developed a reduced tolerance for processed audio over time?
Could Elecraft please indicate whether there are any intended changes to the
transmit audio processing in version 2.58?

Knut - AB2TC



NZ0T wrote:
 
 I downloaded the new 2.58 beta with no problems but the regular group I
 ragchew with on 160 SSB immediatly noticed that I was overdriving the rig. 
 I had not changed the mic gain or comp settings at all from what this
 group had helped me set it at when I got the rig a couple of months ago.
 We found that if I reduces the comp from the 10 I was at to 0 and the mike
 gain from 20 to 18 everything was fine.  Moving the comp up to 10 gave
 plenty of presence for DX work but 20 was too high.  I use the MH2 hand
 mic.
 
 Anyone else noticed this?
 
 73,
 Bill NZ0T
 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KRX3: AF Gain

2008-10-30 Thread Lyle Johnson

Now I notice that my KRX3 sensitivity is much lower than the main
receiver, which wasn't the case when I installed it...


Check your XFIL gain settings in the SUB vs MAIN... 


Also, double check the KRX3 antenna selection.  When mine went nearly 
deaf, it was because I managed to unwittingly put it in a state where it 
selected the unused antenna port.


73,

Lyle KK7P
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - KRX3: AF Gain

2008-10-30 Thread Mitch Wolfson DJØQN

Bill,

It turned out to be a simple configuration problem as I had suspected.

The KRX3 had lost the antenna setting when I disabled and reenabled it to 
fix the AF gain problem, so I only had to use BSET and tap [ANT] to choose 
the same ANT again as VFO A.


Now all is well!

Thanks to everyone that responded!

73,
Mitch DJØQN

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Mitch Wolfson  DJØQN wrote:



Now I notice that my KRX3 sensitivity is much lower than the main
receiver,
which wasn't the case when I installed it. I will try to figure that
problem
out on my own or otherwise contact support.



Check your XFIL gain settings in the SUB vs MAIN.  If using a CW filter, it
could be you are not compensating for the additional insertion loss of
narrow filters in the SUB.

73,  Bill  W4ZV



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Re: [Elecraft] New 2.58 firmware - changed audio settings.

2008-10-30 Thread NZ0T

I am sure the changes are real as they noticed it on my first transmission. 
Conditions were excellent with strong signals.

ab2tc wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 No, I had not noticed that. I updated last night and worked several 80m DX
 contacts (80m was in fantastic shape last night), but did not solicit nor
 receive any audio reports. But I had no problems being heard and copied. I
 also did not notice any difference in the ALC readings nor did I notice
 any change in my analog metering of the RF output. I run with a
 compression setting of 20.
 
 This is not the first time people are reporting mysterious and apparently
 unintended changes to the audio processing, both on the receive and
 transmit side. And almost never do we hear any confirmations or denials
 from Elecraft. Are you sure the changes are for real or could it be that
 your buddies have developed a reduced tolerance for processed audio over
 time? Could Elecraft please indicate whether there are any intended
 changes to the transmit audio processing in version 2.58?
 
 Knut - AB2TC
 
 
 
 NZ0T wrote:
 
 I downloaded the new 2.58 beta with no problems but the regular group I
 ragchew with on 160 SSB immediatly noticed that I was overdriving the
 rig.  I had not changed the mic gain or comp settings at all from what
 this group had helped me set it at when I got the rig a couple of months
 ago. We found that if I reduces the comp from the 10 I was at to 0 and
 the mike gain from 20 to 18 everything was fine.  Moving the comp up to
 10 gave plenty of presence for DX work but 20 was too high.  I use the
 MH2 hand mic.
 
 Anyone else noticed this?
 
 73,
 Bill NZ0T
 
 
 

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[Elecraft] K2 Transmitter Tests

2008-10-30 Thread Ron McCurdy
Attached is a spreadsheet of the results of my transmitter tests @7100hz.  I
would appreciate any help deciphering where to look for the problem.

 

Ron, KE5QDA

K2 6575 under construction

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Re: [Elecraft] New 2.58 firmware - changed audio settings.

2008-10-30 Thread Lyle Johnson

Could Elecraft please indicate whether there are any intended changes to the
transmit audio processing in version 2.58?


It has been a few months since SSB audio processing was touched.  The RF 
side has been worked on, however, for improved power control and ALC action.


73,

Lyle KK7P
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Transmitter Tests

2008-10-30 Thread Don Wilhelm

Ron,

The reflector strips off any attachments.  Put your data in the body of 
your post.


73,
Don W3FPR

Ron McCurdy wrote:


Attached is a spreadsheet of the results of my transmitter tests 
@7100hz.  I would appreciate any help deciphering where to look for 
the problem.


 


Ron, KE5QDA

K2 6575 under construction



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Re: [Elecraft] New 2.58 firmware - changed audio settings.

2008-10-30 Thread NZ0T

It may be the improved ALC action then.  Not a  problem for me once
adjustments were made.

Lyle Johnson wrote:
 
 Could Elecraft please indicate whether there are any intended changes to
 the
 transmit audio processing in version 2.58?
 
 It has been a few months since SSB audio processing was touched.  The RF 
 side has been worked on, however, for improved power control and ALC
 action.
 
 73,
 
 Lyle KK7P
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[Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter

2008-10-30 Thread Don Rasmussen
For those like me with 50 year old eyes, here are some suggestions for making 
the K3 S-meter easier to read. Scroll down to the bottom. ;-)

http://tinyurl.com/58qg5a
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Re: [Elecraft] K3-Problem with DX spot point--click and ACLog

2008-10-30 Thread ab2tc

Hi,

I highly recommend Ham Radio Deluxe. It supports the K3, Simon - the author
- is a K3 owner and supporter. Pointing and clicking on a DX spot or on a
frequency dial works great. I use it in conjunction with LP-PAN and
LP-Bridge. Pointing and clicking on the panadapter display also works
flawlessly and instantly. Whenever the K3 adds new remote control features,
Simon is there supporting them within days.

AB2TC - Knut


Terry Schieler wrote:
 
 
 Looks like I'll be shopping for a new logging program.
 
 Terry, W0FM
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3-Problem with DX spot point--click and ACLog

2008-10-30 Thread Greg - AB7R
I've noticed that from Scott one before when I made a similar request.  I did 
what 
you did.stopped using it and went to another program.  I also no longer 
recommend 
that program to anyone for that reason.  I think that's a mistake on his part 
not to 
support the K3.  Oh well...

Check out N1MM for contesting.  It's free, and it does much more the ACLog.  
For 
general logging, try HRD.  It has a nice log and great K3 support.

-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Thu Oct 30  8:20 , Terry Schieler  sent:

FWIW.

Well I spoke with Scott, N3FJP regarding the problems I had with the K3 and
his ACLog logging program.  Although there is a radio selection for Elecraft
in his CAT software he says it does not support the K3.  I offered to help
him (which I've done before) but he said he was afraid if he made changes to
ACLog for K3 support it could harm the functionality with other Elecraft
rigs.  Matter of fact, he got quite curt with me when I sent him the
Elecraft Programmer's Reference:

W0FM:
 Thanks Scott.  Would having the Elecraft K3 Programmer's Reference be of
help? 

N3FJP:
 No, again, fixing the K3 may introduce problems for other Elecrafts.
 
73, Scott
N3FJP


Looks like I'll be shopping for a new logging program.

Terry, W0FM


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Re: [Elecraft] K3-Problem with DX spot point--click and ACLog

2008-10-30 Thread Jeff Wandling W7BRS


I'll keep my fingers on the VFO.  I can't go HRD path.

As far as ACLog..  Ugh.

The way for him to solve the problem is to make the source GPL'd. 
There's a fair number of technical people on this list who would be able 
to patch his code to make it work.


Everyone benefits, including him by being able to sell the improved code 
base with the premium features obtained by paying the fee.  He wouldn't 
lose a dime*


I don't know why he doesn't GPL it.  *The trial license featue is easily 
worked around by simply re-installing the software.


-jeff


On Thu, 30 Oct 2008, Greg - AB7R wrote:

Check out N1MM for contesting.  It's free, and it does much more the ACLog.  For
general logging, try HRD.  It has a nice log and great K3 support.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3-Problem with DX spot point--click and ACLog

2008-10-30 Thread ab2tc

You bet I'll keep my fingers on the VFO. For regular tuning up and down the
band, in my view there is no substitute for a tuning knob. But point and
click is very convenient for cluster spots and fast QSY in general.


Jeff Wandling W7BRS wrote:
 
 
 I'll keep my fingers on the VFO.  I can't go HRD path.
 
 


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RE: [Elecraft] K1 #2639 1st QSO

2008-10-30 Thread Brett Howard
Congrats!  I just got mine for Xmas last year..  #02474 It's a FUN little
radio...  I find the tuner in mine to be a treat.  Wish you years of fun
with it.

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I bought a K1-4 at Pacificon so my K3 would have some Elecraft company.

Found an opportunity to answer a CQ from WA yesterday on 20m.  It worked!

Now it's time to refine my operating knowlege of the rig and revisit cal
functions just to be comfortable.

Great little rig.  Anyone want to buy a couple of single-banders?  hi hi

72/73, Neal WA6OCP

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Re: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter

2008-10-30 Thread Lee Buller

Don,

With a little programming ... someone could come up with an S-Meter that would 
fill the screen of a computer.  I have the same problem and thought about doing 
that.  Interesting solution you have.

Lee - K0WA


In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply.  If you don't 
have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it.  If you can't find 
any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.  Is 
Common Sense divine?

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Don Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Don Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 10:26 AM

For those like me with 50 year old eyes, here are some suggestions for making
the K3 S-meter easier to read. Scroll down to the bottom. ;-)

http://tinyurl.com/58qg5a
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[Elecraft] aclog

2008-10-30 Thread haircutter
Hello Terry,
Been playing around with AcLog and the K3. Works perfect for me. Click on the 
call sign and the rig shifts the the freq. Also tried it on other softwares, 
Works great on all except MIXW. There it is off freq a little.

Don...w2xb 

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[Elecraft] NEW k3/100 F/S

2008-10-30 Thread Scott McDowell
F/S
New K3/100 with KFL3A-400 and 2.7 filters. KUSB and MH2-R microphone.
Will sell for just what I gave for it. $2075 plus $25.00 shipping.
Contact me off line at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Elecraft] Re memories M1-M4

2008-10-30 Thread K7lay
I have recorded cw messages in each of the 4 memories.  How do I clear  these 
memories should desire to change the message (s)??
 
Bob k7lay
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Re: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter

2008-10-30 Thread David Fleming
--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Lee Buller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 With a little programming ... someone could come up with an
 S-Meter that would fill the screen of a computer.  

This could be easily done. Maybe have the size adjustable.. be able to select 
digital, bargraph or analog even. :)

If there's enough interest, I'd be glad to whip it up. It would tie up the K3's 
serial port.

David, W4SMT




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Re: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter

2008-10-30 Thread Greg - AB7R
David,

What about using it through Larry's LP-PAN?  That way the serial data could be 
used 
for other functions at the same time.

-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Thu Oct 30 10:15 , David Fleming  sent:

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Lee Buller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 With a little programming ... someone could come up with an
 S-Meter that would fill the screen of a computer.  

This could be easily done. Maybe have the size adjustable.. be able to select 
digital, bargraph or analog even. :)

If there's enough interest, I'd be glad to whip it up. It would tie up the 
K3's 
serial port.

David, W4SMT




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Re: [Elecraft] Re memories M1-M4

2008-10-30 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

I would guess you just record again and it replaces it?
--  
I don't mind that you think slowly but I do mind that you are publishing

faster than you think.
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On 30 Oct 2008, at 16:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have recorded cw messages in each of the 4 memories.  How do I  
clear these memories should desire to change the message (s)??


Bob k7lay


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[Elecraft] VFO A follows VFO B

2008-10-30 Thread Ron Lodewyck
After clicking on a packet spot which put the K3 in split mode with VFO 
B up 1 Khz I now find that pressing Rev and tuning, simultaneously 
changes BOTH VFOs.  If I release the Rev button and tune my VFO A then 
VFO B simultaneously changes by the same amount.  Move A up 1.1 Khz, 
then VFO B also moves up 1.1 Khz.  Never did this before and cannot find 
a way to unlock this tracking behavior.  The only thing I find relevant 
in the K3 User Manual is  Config: VFO BA which displays Function but 
I cannot change this to anything else by rotating the VFO A knob.


This behavior only exists on the 20M band - it goes away on all other 
bands.  I have turned the radio off and back on and no change.  I know 
it must be a QLF on my part but danged if I can figure it out.  Any 
suggestions?


TIA  73,
Ron N6EE


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Re: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter

2008-10-30 Thread David Fleming
Hi Greg,

Well, yes, it could be integrated into PowerSDR, or any other rig control app 
where the source code is available. But then it would go from being a trivial 
programming task to a major project... for me anyway. :)

David, W4SMT


--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Greg - AB7R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Greg - AB7R [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net, David Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:28 PM
 David,
 
 What about using it through Larry's LP-PAN?  That way
 the serial data could be used 
 for other functions at the same time.
 
 -
 73,
 Greg - AB7R
 Whidbey Island WA
 NA-065

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Re: [Elecraft] VFO A follows VFO B

2008-10-30 Thread Barry N1EU



Ron Lodewyck wrote:
 
 After clicking on a packet spot which put the K3 in split mode with VFO 
 B up 1 Khz I now find that pressing Rev and tuning, simultaneously 
 changes BOTH VFOs.  If I release the Rev button and tune my VFO A then 
 VFO B simultaneously changes by the same amount.  Move A up 1.1 Khz, 
 then VFO B also moves up 1.1 Khz.  Never did this before and cannot find 
 a way to unlock this tracking behavior.  The only thing I find relevant 
 in the K3 User Manual is  Config: VFO BA which displays Function but 
 I cannot change this to anything else by rotating the VFO A knob.
 
 This behavior only exists on the 20M band - it goes away on all other 
 bands.  I have turned the radio off and back on and no change.  I know 
 it must be a QLF on my part but danged if I can figure it out.  Any 
 suggestions?
 

Not sure, but you might have your VFOs  linked on the 20M band.  Go to 20M
and push the SUB button until you see UNLINK.

73,
Barry N1EU

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Re: [Elecraft] VFO A follows VFO B

2008-10-30 Thread Lyle Johnson
After clicking on a packet spot which put the K3 in split mode with VFO 
B up 1 Khz I now find that pressing Rev and tuning, simultaneously 
changes BOTH VFOs... 


Press the SUB button.  The VFO's are probably LINKed and you need to 
UNLINK them.  The kHz decimal point in the VFOB display will slowly 
blink when the VFOs are LINKed.


73,

Lyle KK7P
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Re: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter

2008-10-30 Thread Julian, G4ILO



David Fleming-2 wrote:
 
 Hi Greg,
 
 Well, yes, it could be integrated into PowerSDR, or any other rig control
 app where the source code is available. But then it would go from being a
 trivial programming task to a major project... for me anyway. :)
 
 David, W4SMT
 
 
I could fairly easily add a giant S-meter window to KComm since I'm
displaying a graphical version of it already, but to be honest this strikes
me as a bit of an odd request. My eyesight is pretty poor now, too, but with
my specs on, which I need in order to be able to read any of the controls on
the radio, focus on the computer screen and the keyboard I can see the
original perfectly clearly. If you can't read the meter how can you operate
the K3 at all?

-
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack   http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham
Directoryhttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 
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Re: [Elecraft] VFO A follows VFO B

2008-10-30 Thread Ron Lodewyck

That was it.  Thanks to all who responded so quickly with the right answer.
73,
Ron N6EE


Lyle Johnson wrote:
After clicking on a packet spot which put the K3 in split mode with 
VFO B up 1 Khz I now find that pressing Rev and tuning, 
simultaneously changes BOTH VFOs... 


Press the SUB button.  The VFO's are probably LINKed and you need to 
UNLINK them.  The kHz decimal point in the VFOB display will slowly 
blink when the VFOs are LINKed.


73,

Lyle KK7P


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[Elecraft] ANN: KComm 1.4 released

2008-10-30 Thread Julian, G4ILO

I have just released version 1.4 of KComm, my free GPL logging program
developed specifically for Elecraft K2 and K3 transceivers only. Both
Windows and Linux versions are available.

This version does make use of (and therefore requires) the latest K3 beta
firmware.

The main additions in this version are:
- can be used as a logger for Fldigi for Windows. (Linux version already
supported it.)
- with a K3 supports RTTY and PSK31 transmission direct from the keyboard
without a sound card connection (receive on the K3 scrolling display.) Note
that text in PSK31 is transmitted in lower case - this is a K3 limitation,
the text is sent as you type it.

If you want to know more, then the full documentation (20 pages of it) is on
my website. The Windows download is less than 1MB.

-
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http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack   http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham
Directoryhttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 
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Re: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter

2008-10-30 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

MacLoggerDx has an S-meter and has for all rigs :-)
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
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twice

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On 30 Oct 2008, at 17:55, David Fleming wrote:


Hi Greg,

Well, yes, it could be integrated into PowerSDR, or any other rig  
control app where the source code is available. But then it would go  
from being a trivial programming task to a major project... for me  
anyway. :)


David, W4SMT


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Re: [Elecraft] K3/10 Kit For Sale

2008-10-30 Thread Philip Leonard WVØT

My K3/10 kit is still available if anyone is interested.

Philip




Philip Leonard WVØT wrote:
This is a new in the box K3/10 kit (basic kit, no options).  Never 
unpacked.  SN is 1905.


Asking my invoice cost plus actual shipping cost to your location.  In 
other words, I'm not looking to make a profit.


Contact me off-list at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

73 de Philip
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Re: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter

2008-10-30 Thread w6jd
I'm not sure that I understand the fascination of larger S meters, I
totally ignore mine. But back in the days of my ill spent youth, when
radios glowed in the dark, I owned a Hallicrafters SX-96 which had
an S meter that must have occupied at least a quarter of the front
panel, and went to 80 db over 9 if my memory serves me well.
Man could you give great signal reports..ur 70 db over 9 but
pls agn ur name and S-9 meant that the other station was audible.

Doug
W6JD

-- Original message -- 
From: David Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 Hi Greg, 
 
 Well, yes, it could be integrated into PowerSDR, or any other rig control app 
 where the source code is available. But then it would go from being a trivial 
 programming task to a major project... for me anyway. :) 
 
 David, W4SMT 
 
 
 --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Greg - AB7R wrote: 
 
  From: Greg - AB7R 
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter 
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net, David Fleming 
  Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:28 PM 
  David, 
  
  What about using it through Larry's LP-PAN? That way 
  the serial data could be used 
  for other functions at the same time. 
  
  - 
  73, 
  Greg - AB7R 
  Whidbey Island WA 
  NA-065 
 
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Beta firmware rev. 2.58

2008-10-30 Thread Dick Dievendorff
You should be able to load firmware from any folder in the PC's file system.
There's nothing magic about the default folder.  The folder needs to have
all the files, see the troubleshooting section of Help on Missing files
for the list.

 

What symptoms did you observe that led you to the firmware update process
doesn't like conclusion?

 

73 de Dick, K6KR

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Johnson
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:04 AM
To: 'Andrew Vine'; 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Beta firmware rev. 2.58

 

David,

 

I too had trouble.  I moved the files to the default folder and downloader
again successfully.  Apparently the firmware update process doesn't like
placing into other than the default folder.  It could have been my error,
but once I relocated the files all worked just fine.  

 

 

73,

 

Bill

K9YEQ

K2 #35; KX1 #35; K3 #1744; mini mods

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Vine
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:19 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta firmware rev. 2.58

 

I am experiencing problems downloading the latest beta.  Is it me or
Elecraft's FTP site?

 

Error message reads :-

 

C:\Data\Downloads\K3\Latest Beta\2r58\k3fw2r57.zip could not be saved,
because the source file could not be read.

 

73

 

Andrew

m0gjh

 

 

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Beta firmware rev. 2.58

2008-10-30 Thread Bill Johnson
Dick,

 

I was unable to get the file to download from the site!  I tried for two
days with timeouts.  I then gave up and moved all files to the default
folder and tried again. Go figure.  I also added the firmware updater to my
firewall just to be it wasn't blocking it.  I wrote Wayne to ask if there
was something wrong, and he advised the site was very busy.  I tried late
last night and then this morning at 7 am central time.  No luck.  When I had
a moment, I moved the files from my configured location to the default, and
tried again.  It worked.  So I figured there must be something in the code
that is preventing the updates.  My radio is serial #1744 and was factory
built.  I only started downloading updates when updated firmware is posted.
I tried a beta when Wayne was looking for some of us to try over the
weekend.  Then when 2.58 became available I tried to download with the
problem mentioned.  

 

Perhaps it was user error, as I explain to my PC customers quite frequently.
J

 

 

Bill

 

You should be able to load firmware from any folder in the PC's file system.
There's nothing magic about the default folder.  The folder needs to have
all the files, see the troubleshooting section of Help on Missing files
for the list.

 

What symptoms did you observe that led you to the firmware update process
doesn't like conclusion?

 

73 de Dick, K6KR

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:04 AM
To: 'Andrew Vine'; 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Beta firmware rev. 2.58

 

David,

 

I too had trouble.  I moved the files to the default folder and downloader
again successfully.  Apparently the firmware update process doesn't like
placing into other than the default folder.  It could have been my error,
but once I relocated the files all worked just fine.  

 

 

 

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[Elecraft] K2 Transmitter Problems

2008-10-30 Thread Ron McCurdy
Don,

 

I tested the transformers T3  T4 at their solder pads for continuity and
they were all about 0.1 ohms and I checked them through the full set of
windings that are connected and got 0.2 ohms.  I also checked the number of
turns, etc. and found nothing wrong.

 

On the LPF sections I was only able to use the K2 Cheap  Dirty method and
I can get signals through all bands up to 20 meters.  From 20 meters up,
there doesn't seem to be enough signal in my 40 meter inverted V antenna or
there is something stopping the signal through the LPF for those bands.

 

Should the antenna provide enough signal to more than click in the
headphones?  It certainly does on 80, 40  30 meters.  Any more suggestions?

 

Ron

 

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RE: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter

2008-10-30 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
And very few S-meters worked at all in CW mode since the BFO wasn't isolated
from the AGC, so the AGC (and so the S-meter) was Off.
 
Over the years contesters have brought some sanity to the S-number: ignore
the meter and send 5NN. 
 
The audio output voltage and dB comparison measurement displays available on
the K3 are far superior to an S-meter for serious signal strength
measurements and comparisons.
 
Ron AC7AC
 
 

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I'm not sure that I understand the fascination of larger S meters, I
totally ignore mine. But back in the days of my ill spent youth, when
radios glowed in the dark, I owned a Hallicrafters SX-96 which had
an S meter that must have occupied at least a quarter of the front
panel, and went to 80 db over 9 if my memory serves me well.
Man could you give great signal reports..ur 70 db over 9 but
pls agn ur name and S-9 meant that the other station was audible.
 
Doug
W6JD

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RE: [Elecraft] [K3] If you are a DXer, you need the KRX3!

2008-10-30 Thread Bruce McLaughlin
Congratulations on getting the VU4.  The use stations are not easy from the
Midwest either the polar path can be a killer!  I am awaiting return of my
K-3 from Elecraft after its second receiver is installed along with certain
other changes and additions I ordered.  I understand what you mean about the
value of the second receiver.  I have a second receiver in my FT 1000D and
my Orion II.  The second receiver in the FT 1000D is decent enough to be a
considerable help while attempting to position myself at the proper place in
the pileup.  Although the Orion is of some help, it's second receiver is not
of very high quality and difficult to use when there is a heavy pileup.
Even so, any second receiver is better than nothing at all.  Although some
radios, such as the ICOM Pro series, allow fast switching to listen to the
transmit frequency, I feel that is too little and too late for this purpose.

Bruce-W8FU

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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:46 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] If you are a DXer, you need the KRX3!

There is no substitute for a second receiver for getting through 
pileups. For years I have been switching back and forth between VFOs (on 
various rigs), trying to spot the guy the DX is working. This has gotten 
harder and harder as the liddy practice of calling continuously 
regardless of what the DX station is doing has become popular.

Since I got the KRX3, it's become much easier. This morning I worked one 
of the VU4's on 40 meters through a thick and very unruly pileup -- on 
the first call! I think the KRX3 made this possible.

VU4 is difficult from the West Coast, and it is a new one for me. My 40 
meter antenna is a mere dipole at 40 feet, although I admit I was 
running 800 watts. It was still a thrill!
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Fresno CA
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[Elecraft] K3 Ready in 2.1 Months but long QRX on KRX3

2008-10-30 Thread Ralph K1ZZI
Placed my order September 1st and I was notified yesterday it will be ready to 
ship in approx 1 to 2 weeks!  However, the 2nd RX is back ordered.  The KRX3 
eta is an additional 3 to 4 months out (ouch).  So I'm looking at 5 to 6 months 
to receive the complete initial order.  Huge backlog right now on the KRX3.  To 
Elecraft's credit everybody wants one.  They are working diligently to improve 
the delay.

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RE: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter

2008-10-30 Thread K7TV

I find the K3 S-meter a wonderful contrast to those other rigs I have had
where I had to mentally compensate for the terrible non-linearity (in dB),
i.e. S9=S9, S8=S8, S7=S7, S5=S6, S1=S5 and nothing below the real S5 even
moves the meter. I haven't even begun to play with the AGC settings in the
K3, but all the recent firmware releases seem to provide good S-meter
readings without this mental translation. 

That said, I have run into a situation where I actually miss the meter on
the old 1000D. That is when I try to turn the beam for maximum signal
strength on a station I don't know the location of. As far as I can see, the
K3 displays signal strength only in whole S-units, whereas I would find it
useful to see changes smaller than that. I even miss the wildly exaggerated
meter swings that you get in the lower part of the scale on a typical bad
S-meter; they are just easier to see at a glance. Perhaps it would be useful
to have a firmware option to just expand the K3 S-meter to something like 1
or 2 dB per tick on the scale. Of course I would have to use the RF gain
control to bring the reading into the smaller range of the expanded scale,
and then restore the normal S-meter scale for giving reports. Maybe I could
achieve this expanded S-meter scale through an alternative AGC setting,
available at the touch of a button?

73,
Erik K7TV



Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
 
 And very few S-meters worked at all in CW mode since the BFO wasn't
 isolated
 from the AGC, so the AGC (and so the S-meter) was Off.
  
 Over the years contesters have brought some sanity to the S-number: ignore
 the meter and send 5NN. 
  
 The audio output voltage and dB comparison measurement displays available
 on
 the K3 are far superior to an S-meter for serious signal strength
 measurements and comparisons.
  
 Ron AC7AC
  
  
 
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 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter
 
 
 I'm not sure that I understand the fascination of larger S meters, I
 totally ignore mine. But back in the days of my ill spent youth, when
 radios glowed in the dark, I owned a Hallicrafters SX-96 which had
 an S meter that must have occupied at least a quarter of the front
 panel, and went to 80 db over 9 if my memory serves me well.
 Man could you give great signal reports..ur 70 db over 9 but
 pls agn ur name and S-9 meant that the other station was audible.
  
 Doug
 W6JD
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter

2008-10-30 Thread Guy, K2AV

Wasn't there a way or going to be a way to display or send absolute dBm for
signal strength. That could just be a program running and getting reports
from the K3 over the serial port. Integer dBm would tell you everything you
needed to know. 

73, Guy.
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[Elecraft] [K3] Updated Schematics

2008-10-30 Thread Lyle Johnson
The Elecraft website Manuals  Downloads section has an updated set of 
schematics which match the currently shipping K3 products.


Enjoy!

73,

Lyle KK7P


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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] If you are a DXer, you need the KRX3!

2008-10-30 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
I have to agree with all that - I worked VP6DX back in February on 80m  
at 07:27 UTC, 120W SSB from Bracknell England - 8976 miles, on a long  
wire!
This was first call - small pileup and they came straight back to me -  
what can I say, my best DX so far :-)

73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
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him. -Galileo Galilei, physicist and astronomer (1564-1642)

On 30 Oct 2008, at 19:49, Bruce McLaughlin wrote:


Congratulations on getting the VU4.

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Re: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter

2008-10-30 Thread K7TV

Are you referring to the K3's ability to display audio output level in mV or
dbV?
While mere signal reports can reasonably be given by ear, I have measurement
in my blood and really appreciate that K3 capability. When I am not in a
hurry, it is good for something like looking at filter response. However, it
works best with the AGC turned off, which is a bit of a pain, and if I am
peaking something I want to see analog movement, not numbers! That said, if
the K3 were to acquire a capability to display RF input signal strength as a
number, that would surely be very useful for something.

If a program on a computer is the only way to see an S-meter showing small
fluctuations of a dB or so, I might break down and finally install that
program, which I assume is some kind of rig control program.
After 45 years of hamming and being a computer engineer and just a casual
contester, I have never wanted rig control by computer. PC's just aren't
reliable enough, especially with Windows. Oh well, I will probably have to
cave in soon just to get a panoramic display...

Erik K7TV




Guy, K2AV wrote:
 
 Wasn't there a way or going to be a way to display or send absolute dBm
 for signal strength. That could just be a program running and getting
 reports from the K3 over the serial port. Integer dBm would tell you
 everything you needed to know. 
 
 73, Guy.
 

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RE: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter

2008-10-30 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 MacLoggerDx has an S-meter and has for all rigs :-)

As does DXLab Suite (CI-V Commander).  I have updated 
the K3 S-meter definition file for use with the extended 
mode command responses and AA6YQ has updated the next 
release of Commander to make use of the extended response 
modes. 



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 MacLoggerDx has an S-meter and has for all rigs :-)
 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
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Re: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter

2008-10-30 Thread Julian, G4ILO



K7TV wrote:
 
 Are you referring to the K3's ability to display audio output level in mV
 or dbV?
 While mere signal reports can reasonably be given by ear, I have
 measurement in my blood and really appreciate that K3 capability.
 
I think signal reports are more politics or psychology than science. If
someone gives me 599 it's only good manners to send 599 back. It's just the
way I was brought up. :) If they send something other than 599 then I
realise that they are actually giving me a real report, so I try to give
them a real one back. But since signals can often vary from S7 to S9+20 over
the period of a QSO I think the idea of giving realistic signal reports is
actually unachievable anyway.

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Re: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter vs what I REALLY want.

2008-10-30 Thread Julian, G4ILO



Ralph Parker wrote:
 
 What I REALLY want is a stand-alone spectrum display (think 756 PRO).
 That's the main reason I'm keeping the Pro III for 6m.
 
I'd like one too. Though I'd settle for a soundcard based one that didn't
come with a whole screenful of SDR software attached to it so I could stick
it in a corner of the screen and still have room for my logging program and
datamode software.

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RE: [Elecraft] Re memories M1-M4

2008-10-30 Thread Don Nesbitt
According to my many exchanges with Wayne, the ability to completely (that
is clear) M1-M4 is on the list.  Right now, all you can do is replace
(overwrite) what you already put into that M1 - M4 specific memory.  I've
replaced a few of them with a single dit but really would like to be able
to clear them completely like you can easily do with the other memories.

 

As I've noted to Wayne, once the Digital Voice Recorder gets released, I
suspect the ability to completely clear M1-M4 will become a hot item.  '73
es gud dxing - Don N4HH  K3/100/KRX3 #83

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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M0XDF
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re memories M1-M4

 

I would guess you just record again and it replaces it?

-- 
I don't mind that you think slowly but I do mind that you are publishing
faster than you think.
-Wolfgang Pauli, physicist, Nobel laureate (1900-1958)

 

On 30 Oct 2008, at 16:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





I have recorded cw messages in each of the 4 memories.  How do I clear these
memories should desire to change the message (s)??

 

Bob k7lay

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter

2008-10-30 Thread K7TV

Julian, 

I tend to use S-meters more for purposes other than for giving signal
reports, but when I do give a signal report I prefer to make it an honest
one and update it later in the qso. When I get a non-real report of 599 e.g.
from a dx, it kind of neutralizes the joy of having made the contact. I
think Elecraft and TT (and in the past Collins) deserve credit for providing
meaningful S-meter scales. I think the biggest problem today with the
existing S-meter standard is that the same standard is applied to each HF/MF
band, with an abrupt change for VHF. A separate S9 definition for each band
would make more sense because of different average noise levels. Sometimes
in the past I have gone by the standard for 40 and down, and deliberately
inflated the readings on the higher bands by switching on the preamp
consistently for those bands. Of course if one uses a separate receive
antenna, one may need to adjust reports for that. Given all possible
adjustments, one might want to be able to set a dB offset individually for
each band, and I am sure that the K3 could do that, although I would not
push for it as a priority.

Anyway, since you do external software for the K3, can you confirm that an
S-meter displayed on the PC could get signal strength data from the K3 that
has a fine enough granularity to show a change of 1 or 2 dB?

Thanks,
Erik K7TV

Julian, G4ILO wrote:
 
 
 
 K7TV wrote:
 
 Are you referring to the K3's ability to display audio output level in mV
 or dbV?
 While mere signal reports can reasonably be given by ear, I have
 measurement in my blood and really appreciate that K3 capability.
 
 I think signal reports are more politics or psychology than science. If
 someone gives me 599 it's only good manners to send 599 back. It's just
 the way I was brought up. :) If they send something other than 599 then I
 realise that they are actually giving me a real report, so I try to give
 them a real one back. But since signals can often vary from S7 to S9+20
 over the period of a QSO I think the idea of giving realistic signal
 reports is actually unachievable anyway.
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Re memories M1-M4

2008-10-30 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

Excuss my ignorance, but why do you need to complete clear it?
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
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No sensible decision can be made any longer without taking into  
account not

only the world as it is, but the world as it will be.
-Isaac Asimov, scientist and writer (1920-1992)

On 30 Oct 2008, at 21:45, Don Nesbitt wrote:

According to my many exchanges with Wayne, the ability to completely  
(that is clear) M1-M4 is “on the list.”  Right now, all you can do  
is replace (overwrite) what you already put into that M1 – M4  
specific memory.  I’ve replaced a few of them with a single “dit”  
but really would like to be able to clear them completely like you  
can easily do with the “other” memories.


As I’ve noted to Wayne, once the Digital Voice Recorder gets  
released, I suspect the ability to completely clear M1-M4 will  
become a hot item.  ‘73 es gud dxing – Don N4HH  K3/100/KRX3 #83



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[Elecraft] K2 Transmitter Tests

2008-10-30 Thread Raymond METZGER
Hi Elecrafters,

 URL:
http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/attachments/20081030/dc467a76/atta
chment-0001.htm

How can this kind of attachment be read ?

Thanks and 73

Raymond, F4FNT
K3/100 # 615, K2/100 # 5,636



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RE: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter

2008-10-30 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


 Anyway, since you do external software for the K3, can you 
 confirm that an S-meter displayed on the PC could get signal 
 strength data from the K3 that has a fine enough granularity 
 to show a change of 1 or 2 dB?

No.  The SM; (and BG;) reports from the K3 are one S-unit 
increments from S0 to S9 and 5 dB steps above S9. 





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 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter
 
 
 
 Julian, 
 
 I tend to use S-meters more for purposes other than for 
 giving signal reports, but when I do give a signal report I 
 prefer to make it an honest one and update it later in the 
 qso. When I get a non-real report of 599 e.g. from a dx, it 
 kind of neutralizes the joy of having made the contact. I 
 think Elecraft and TT (and in the past Collins) deserve 
 credit for providing meaningful S-meter scales. I think the 
 biggest problem today with the existing S-meter standard is 
 that the same standard is applied to each HF/MF band, with an 
 abrupt change for VHF. A separate S9 definition for each band 
 would make more sense because of different average noise 
 levels. Sometimes in the past I have gone by the standard for 
 40 and down, and deliberately inflated the readings on the 
 higher bands by switching on the preamp consistently for 
 those bands. Of course if one uses a separate receive 
 antenna, one may need to adjust reports for that. Given all 
 possible adjustments, one might want to be able to set a dB 
 offset individually for each band, and I am sure that the K3 
 could do that, although I would not push for it as a priority.
 
 Anyway, since you do external software for the K3, can you 
 confirm that an S-meter displayed on the PC could get signal 
 strength data from the K3 that has a fine enough granularity 
 to show a change of 1 or 2 dB?
 
 Thanks,
 Erik K7TV
 
 Julian, G4ILO wrote:
  
  
  
  K7TV wrote:
  
  Are you referring to the K3's ability to display audio 
 output level 
  in mV or dbV? While mere signal reports can reasonably 
 be given by 
  ear, I have measurement in my blood and really appreciate that K3 
  capability.
  
  I think signal reports are more politics or psychology than 
 science. 
  If someone gives me 599 it's only good manners to send 599 
 back. It's 
  just the way I was brought up. :) If they send something other than 
  599 then I realise that they are actually giving me a real 
 report, so 
  I try to give them a real one back. But since signals can 
 often vary 
  from S7 to S9+20 over the period of a QSO I think the idea 
 of giving 
  realistic signal reports is actually unachievable anyway.
  
 
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[Elecraft] RE: Clearing memories M1-M4

2008-10-30 Thread Ralph Parker
...but really would like to be able to clear them completely like you can
easily do with the memories.

I guess my thickness is showing again.
Somebody pse explain why a blank memory is a good thing.
I'd think you'd just not push the button.

VE7XF

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Re: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter vs what I REALLY want.

2008-10-30 Thread ab2tc

Hi Julian,

Don't count out LP-PAN. True, it needs PowerSDR-IF, but it will not take the
whole screen. Even the full display takes only about a quarter of my screen
(1680x1050), but I can get rid of everything below and to the right of the
panadapter display if I wish. I don't do that though because then I lose the
individual band select buttons that so many people are whining about missing
from the K3 front panel (and a whole bunch of other useful features, too). I
admit they are handy. The panadapter display is simply gorgeous and I think
there is universal agreement that it beats anything else out there including
the Pro III. I'll send screen shots to anybody interested.


Julian, G4ILO wrote:
 
 
 
 Ralph Parker wrote:
 
 What I REALLY want is a stand-alone spectrum display (think 756 PRO).
 That's the main reason I'm keeping the Pro III for 6m.
 
 I'd like one too. Though I'd settle for a soundcard based one that didn't
 come with a whole screenful of SDR software attached to it so I could
 stick it in a corner of the screen and still have room for my logging
 program and datamode software.
 


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RE: [Elecraft] Clearing memories M1-M4

2008-10-30 Thread Julian, G4ILO



Ralph Parker wrote:
 
 I guess my thickness is showing again.
 Somebody pse explain why a blank memory is a good thing.
 I'd think you'd just not push the button.
 
Unfortunately some of us are not perfect and push the button accidentally,
or at the wrong time. These buttons can be used as per-band quick memories
as well. It's embarrassing to send some CW message that you programmed in
six months ago to try the memories out when all you wanted to do was change
frequency.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3-Problem with DX spot point--click and ACLog

2008-10-30 Thread David Woolley (E.L)

Jeff Wandling W7BRS wrote:

The way for him to solve the problem is to make the source GPL'd. 
There's a fair number of technical people on this list who would be able 
to patch his code to make it work.


Everyone benefits, including him by being able to sell the improved code 
base with the premium features obtained by paying the fee.  He wouldn't 
lose a dime*


Unless people voluntarily assign it to him, he would not own the 
copyright in any modifications, so he would not be able to sell 
copyright licences (or the actual copyright).  He can still sell the 
service of putting it onto media, or otherwise distributing, and for 
support, but anyone else would be free to do so.


He could also use changes to understand where problems lie, and make his 
own changes to fix the problems, but would need to be careful to avoid 
any accusation of copying.  He would still own the copyright in his 
original work, and could licence it, or derivatives of it, under any 
licence he likes, in parallel with the GPL.


(Exception: trivial and obvious changes cannot be copyrighted.  I 
believe the Free Software Foundation (FSF) uses four changed as the 
measure of what is trivial.)


This is not to say that using the GPL would be a bad idea, just that one 
needs to understand the limitations.


Note: the FSF believe that assigning copyright requires a formal 
contract, and make a token payment (USD 1) for copyrights assigned to 
them.  Assigning means transferring ownership of the intellectual 
property, losing ones own rights in it.




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RE: [Elecraft] K2 Transmitter Tests

2008-10-30 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Put it your browser URL window, Raymond. (And note that it's wrapped. You'd
need to put it all in without the wrap.)

There won't be anything useful in it for you. It's just the font and
formatting data stripped from an HTML-formatted message by the e-mail system
and converted to plain text since most, like the elecraft e-mail reflector,
only allow plain text messages. 

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

Hi Elecrafters,

 URL:
http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/attachments/20081030/dc467a76/atta
chment-0001.htm

How can this kind of attachment be read ?

Thanks and 73

Raymond, F4FNT
K3/100 # 615, K2/100 # 5,636

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[Elecraft] TUNE bug - DATA / SPLIT

2008-10-30 Thread Iain MacDonnell - K6IAM


I believe I've discovered an obscure bug - MCU 2.58

Situation is both VFO A and B are in DATA mode, on different
frequencies (14MHz band), and SPLIT is on. I hold TUNE. TX goes on, and
the display changes mode to CW, but instead of making a carrier, I
modulate audio from *mic* (NOT even line-in)!

~Iain





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[Elecraft] Re: TUNE bug - DATA / SPLIT

2008-10-30 Thread Iain MacDonnell - K6IAM



Iain MacDonnell - K6IAM wrote:


I believe I've discovered an obscure bug - MCU 2.58

Situation is both VFO A and B are in DATA mode, on different
frequencies (14MHz band), and SPLIT is on. I hold TUNE. TX goes on, and
the display changes mode to CW, but instead of making a carrier, I
modulate audio from *mic* (NOT even line-in)!


PS...

Power is limited to CONFIG:TUN PWR - i.e. if I whistle, I make that much

If I turn SPLIT off, TUNE works normally

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[Elecraft] K3: No measurable voltage on band data lines?

2008-10-30 Thread Dan Levin
I'm still trying to debug my problem with the Top Ten band decoders and my
K3 (s).  When I put a volt meter on the band data output pins of the K3's
ACC connector, I don't see any positive voltage (all the pins read zero).
When I connect the ACC pins to the Top Ten decoder via an appropriate cable
(thus bringing the decoders pull-up resistors into the picture), I see a
non-zero voltage on the high pins, but only between 1.6 and 2.2 volts -
not 5 volts.  Without the connection to the K3 in place, the same pins
measure 5 volt (due to the pull-ups).

Is this normal - in particular, is it normal not to be able to measure a
positive voltage on the high pins of the ACC connector with nothing other
than the meter attached?  I realize that these are open collector, but I
would have expected to read some positive voltage.

   ***dan, K6IF

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RE: [Elecraft] K3: No measurable voltage on band data lines?

2008-10-30 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 Is this normal - in particular, is it normal not to be able 
 to measure a positive voltage on the high pins of the ACC 
 connector with nothing other than the meter attached?  I 
 realize that these are open collector, but I would have 
 expected to read some positive voltage.

yes, this is normal.  Open Collector - or in the case of the 
K3 Open Drain - means that the output devices do not source 
any voltage and there are no pull up resistors to provide 
output voltage when the drivers are in the off state. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 

 



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Levin
 Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:08 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: No measurable voltage on band data lines?
 
 
 I'm still trying to debug my problem with the Top Ten band 
 decoders and my K3 (s).  When I put a volt meter on the band 
 data output pins of the K3's ACC connector, I don't see any 
 positive voltage (all the pins read zero). When I connect the 
 ACC pins to the Top Ten decoder via an appropriate cable 
 (thus bringing the decoders pull-up resistors into the 
 picture), I see a non-zero voltage on the high pins, but 
 only between 1.6 and 2.2 volts - not 5 volts.  Without the 
 connection to the K3 in place, the same pins measure 5 volt 
 (due to the pull-ups).
 
 Is this normal - in particular, is it normal not to be able 
 to measure a positive voltage on the high pins of the ACC 
 connector with nothing other than the meter attached?  I 
 realize that these are open collector, but I would have 
 expected to read some positive voltage.
 
***dan, K6IF
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3-Problem with DX spot point--click and ACLog

2008-10-30 Thread David Yarnes

Terry and All,

Hmmm!  Sure doesn't sound like the Scott I've been dealing with for 8 years? 
10 year?  I have been using his ACLog program for all that time, and he has 
always been very cooperative.  I would add, however, that when I inquired if 
he had ever thought about offering an adaptation of his logging program for 
use on a Pocket PC, he indicated he just hadn't had the time to consider 
doing that, and wasn't sure when and if he could.  But he was nice enough 
about it.


I rather suspect you caught him on a bad day, or possible there was 
something conveyed in your original conversation with him (which we don't 
really know the content of) that might have come across not quite as you 
intended.  My wife says I can be that way sometimes, even though it isn't on 
purpose.  With some 2000 K3's out there in the bushes, and a lot more 
coming, I would think Scott might see the benefit of having a K3 version.  I 
have no idea if he really follows the Elecraft success story though. 
Possibly if he hears from more of his customers who now use K3's, he might 
be persuaded to give it more priority.  So, for whatever good it might do, 
I'll drop him an email indicating how much I hope he can find time to 
accomodate us.  It will take a lot more than just me to have any impact 
however.  By the way, I have been inclined all these years to recommend 
ACLog anytime someone asked.  Maybe the way to get Scott's attention is to 
ask him if future recommendations should contain a caveat that not all 
features of his program will fully integrate with K3's as they do with other 
transceivers.  Maybe I'll try that approach, but very tactfully (I hope).


Dave W7AQK


- Original Message - 
From: Terry Schieler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:20 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-Problem with DX spot point--click and ACLog



FWIW.

Well I spoke with Scott, N3FJP regarding the problems I had with the K3 
and
his ACLog logging program.  Although there is a radio selection for 
Elecraft

in his CAT software he says it does not support the K3.  I offered to help
him (which I've done before) but he said he was afraid if he made changes 
to

ACLog for K3 support it could harm the functionality with other Elecraft
rigs.  Matter of fact, he got quite curt with me when I sent him the
Elecraft Programmer's Reference:

W0FM:
 Thanks Scott.  Would having the Elecraft K3 Programmer's Reference be of
help? 

N3FJP:
 No, again, fixing the K3 may introduce problems for other Elecrafts.

73, Scott
N3FJP


Looks like I'll be shopping for a new logging program.

Terry, W0FM


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RE: [Elecraft] K3-Problem with DX spot point--click and ACLog

2008-10-30 Thread Terry Schieler
Hi Dave (W7AQK) et all:

You are correct, Dave.  I have been a strong supporter of Scott's logging
software for many, many years.  I spent a great deal of my own time working
with him to get ACLog to work with my (then new) FT1000MP.  We finally got
there, and it worked flawlessly ever since.  That is exactly why I was so
surprised with Scott's reaction to my offer to help with the implementation
of the K3.  What the heck, it's almost the same basic framework as the K2,
which he has implemented.

I watched curiously as Scott's attention turned to weather forecasting
software and some other projects just a bit outside the box in my mind.  I
was a huge proponent of ACLog specifically because of Scott and Kimberly's
great support for the program and recommended it to everyone (see my posts
on eHam.net).  That is exactly why I felt like Scott brushed me off when I
had specific questions about the K3 interface.  To me, it sounded like he
was saying I'm not going there.  Perhaps he's too busy, perhaps he has
developed other interests, and, like you say, maybe I caught him on a bad
day.  I don't know.  But as someone who has helped him promote his product
in the past, and offered to do it again, who is then rebuked, I don't know
what else to think. (Insert typical:  I have no financial or business
interest in ACLog here.)

Again, you are, indeed, correct.  It sure doesn't sound like the Scott that
I've dealt with for many years.  But how do you do what he does in light of
the huge success of Elecraft's K3?  

I have since sampled some very nice logging and CAT software to which I
wouldn't have given a moment of thought to until now.

73,
Terry, W0FM





-Original Message-
From: David Yarnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:22 PM
To: Terry Schieler; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3-Problem with DX spot point--click and ACLog

Terry and All,

Hmmm!  Sure doesn't sound like the Scott I've been dealing with for 8 years?

10 year?  I have been using his ACLog program for all that time, and he has 
always been very cooperative.  I would add, however, that when I inquired if

he had ever thought about offering an adaptation of his logging program for 
use on a Pocket PC, he indicated he just hadn't had the time to consider 
doing that, and wasn't sure when and if he could.  But he was nice enough 
about it.

I rather suspect you caught him on a bad day, or possible there was 
something conveyed in your original conversation with him (which we don't 
really know the content of) that might have come across not quite as you 
intended.  My wife says I can be that way sometimes, even though it isn't on

purpose.  With some 2000 K3's out there in the bushes, and a lot more 
coming, I would think Scott might see the benefit of having a K3 version.  I

have no idea if he really follows the Elecraft success story though. 
Possibly if he hears from more of his customers who now use K3's, he might 
be persuaded to give it more priority.  So, for whatever good it might do, 
I'll drop him an email indicating how much I hope he can find time to 
accomodate us.  It will take a lot more than just me to have any impact 
however.  By the way, I have been inclined all these years to recommend 
ACLog anytime someone asked.  Maybe the way to get Scott's attention is to 
ask him if future recommendations should contain a caveat that not all 
features of his program will fully integrate with K3's as they do with other

transceivers.  Maybe I'll try that approach, but very tactfully (I hope).

Dave W7AQK


- Original Message - 
From: Terry Schieler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:20 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-Problem with DX spot point--click and ACLog


 FWIW.

 Well I spoke with Scott, N3FJP regarding the problems I had with the K3 
 and
 his ACLog logging program.  Although there is a radio selection for 
 Elecraft
 in his CAT software he says it does not support the K3.  I offered to help
 him (which I've done before) but he said he was afraid if he made changes 
 to
 ACLog for K3 support it could harm the functionality with other Elecraft
 rigs.  Matter of fact, he got quite curt with me when I sent him the
 Elecraft Programmer's Reference:

 W0FM:
  Thanks Scott.  Would having the Elecraft K3 Programmer's Reference be of
 help? 

 N3FJP:
  No, again, fixing the K3 may introduce problems for other Elecrafts.

 73, Scott
 N3FJP


 Looks like I'll be shopping for a new logging program.

 Terry, W0FM


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FW: [Elecraft] K3-Problem with DX spot point--click and ACLog

2008-10-30 Thread Terry Schieler
I think that, in the spirit of the Elecraft design team and this reflector
(and before Wayne and Eric feel the need to step in), I would like to ask
that this thread be terminated at this point.  

I was simply trying to provide a heads-up to other K3 owners.  It has
never been my intention to uproot any malcontent with a vendor with whom I
have had many successful years.  

Thank you.

Terry, W0FM


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Re: [Elecraft] Bigger K3 S-meter

2008-10-30 Thread Jan Erik Holm

Can this be changed?

/ SM2EKM
-
Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:



No.  The SM; (and BG;) reports from the K3 are one S-unit 
increments from S0 to S9 and 5 dB steps above S9. 





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