date:20150218

I am very happy with my Pixel Loop receive antenna. You could mount one 
horizontally (basketball-hoop style) to get horizontal polarization.


On 18 Feb 2015 02:17, Jim Miller wrote:

What are folks using for their two antennas to provide improved reception
on 160m? I have a recently installed 2 element vertical RX array and
thought the next step would be trying diversity but not clear that my only
other 160 antenna (inverted L) would be sufficiently different to be of use.

Thanks

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[Elecraft] G Ops - K Line description in RadCom - slightly OT

2015-02-18 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

Slightly off-topic, but I've opened up my March RadCom, to find a W&S add on 
the inside back page, advertising a K line (K3, P3, KPA500) as a 600W station - 
am I going nut's or have they decided that 100W from the K3 plus 500W from the 
KPA means you get 600W out?

73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)

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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

I think as you and W4TV have pointed out, there isn't a problem in 
determining that SPLIT is on. Not noticing that it's OFF is the issue! 
Wayne can make the radio sit up and whistle 'Dixie' when SPLIT is on and 
it will not help.


I used to be prime cop meat until I made a macro to turn on SPLIT as 
well as set VFO B up a couple of kHz. What caused my error was that I 
was so focused on finding the station working the DX with VFO B, that I 
forgot the extra button press.


My solution was to combine turning on SPLIT with offsetting VFO B. 
Either the user can make a macro, or Wayne could implement the 
much-discussed programmable SPLIT feature.


On 18 Feb 2015 03:38, Don Wilhelm wrote:

How about 'blinking' the intensity of the VFO B display to indicate
SPLIT is turned on.
I don't know how to announce that it is off  when it should be on -
because that is the normal condition.  I guess one has to rely on the
"up cops".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/17/2015 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT"
during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess
up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX.

Wayne


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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread Mitch Wolfson DJØQN

Joe, that is a great idea, but it doesn't go far enough. Some users 
might switch off the test mode on purpose. In this case, the K3 should 
induce an electric shock. Add some voice recognition software, so that 
when the user says "UP" in simplex mode, the K3 self-destructs.  ;-)


73,
Mitcn DJ0QN

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On 18.02.2015 02:00, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


Looking for the *absence* of a change when the PTT is pressed or the
key is tapped to indicate that one has forgotten to engage split is a
bit counter intuitive.  The *three* current indicators that split is
engaged *before* entering transmit are the logical UI.

Perhaps the better solution is to ask the logging software authors to
determine when VFO A is tuned to a frequency spotted as split and
select TEST MODE if split is not engaged or both VFOs are on the same
frequency !   Maybe a lack of output will be sufficient "immediate
feedback".

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-02-17 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" 
during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't 
mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX.


Wayne




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Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors

2015-02-18 Thread Matt VK2RQ

You want the retention clip:
http://www.andersonpower.com/files.php?file=02628.pdf

73, Matt VK2RQ

> On 18 Feb 2015, at 4:03 pm, Rick Bates  wrote:
> 
> Because the is no locking mechanism to keep them connected; far too easy to 
> pull apart.
> 
> Not the black/red paired pieces, what they mate to.  A lock like used in the 
> auto industry connectors would improve them immensely.  
> 
> 73,
> Rick wa6nhc
> 
> Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Phil Hystad  wrote:
>> 
>> Its a mystery to me why people don't like the APP connectors.  
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Re: [Elecraft] G Ops - K Line description in RadCom - slightly OT

While the KPA500 is rated at 500W I believe that in practice it can 
deliver up to 600W. Unlike some manufacturers, Elecraft is conservative 
in its power ratings.


On 18 Feb 2015 13:05, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

Slightly off-topic, but I've opened up my March RadCom, to find a W&S
add on the inside back page, advertising a K line (K3, P3, KPA500) as
a 600W station - am I going nut's or have they decided that 100W from
the K3 plus 500W from the KPA means you get 600W out?

73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)

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knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom. -Isaac Asimov,
scientist and writer (1920-1992)


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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread Doug Turnbull

Mitch,
Your brilliant mind is again on the case.   I though a small shock
delivered to the paddle would be a help.   But seriously, I do think that a
flashing delta frequency LED could help and I would like this option.I
have sinned and never want to do so again.   It seems that I want the K3 to
keep me out of trouble.   Well any reminder is welcome. 

The Flashing Led has my vote - it is an option.   Elecraft are great.

 73 Doug EI2CN

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Wolfson DJØQN
Sent: 18 February 2015 11:22
To: Joe Subich, W4TV; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on
keydown

Joe, that is a great idea, but it doesn't go far enough. Some users 
might switch off the test mode on purpose. In this case, the K3 should 
induce an electric shock. Add some voice recognition software, so that 
when the user says "UP" in simplex mode, the K3 self-destructs.  ;-)

73,
Mitcn DJ0QN

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On 18.02.2015 02:00, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
> Looking for the *absence* of a change when the PTT is pressed or the
> key is tapped to indicate that one has forgotten to engage split is a
> bit counter intuitive.  The *three* current indicators that split is
> engaged *before* entering transmit are the logical UI.
>
> Perhaps the better solution is to ask the logging software authors to
> determine when VFO A is tuned to a frequency spotted as split and
> select TEST MODE if split is not engaged or both VFOs are on the same
> frequency !   Maybe a lack of output will be sufficient "immediate
> feedback".
>
> 73,
>
>... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2015-02-17 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" 
>> during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't 
>> mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX.
>>
>> Wayne
>

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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread N2TK, Tony

While we are on this subject, I have PF1 programmed for split up 2KHZ and
PF2 programmed for split up 5KHZ. Is there a way I can program RCVR B to
have a very wide filter setting tied into PF! Or PF2? Right now after
holding in either PF1 or PF2 I need to go into B SET to open up the
bandwidth. I like a wide bandwidth on the B RCVR to make it easier to find
who the FDX is working.
Tnx
N2TK, Tony 

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on
keydown

I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a
flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant,
given this discussion.

Wayne
N6KR



On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole  wrote:

> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split?
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Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors


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[Elecraft] Split operation

2015-02-18 Thread Mike Harris

The flashing led is a good idea.  Our visual system seems to be 
programmed to pick up movement, that is perhaps why some might find it 
irritating.  How many times is something invisible until it moves.


However, the bigger problem I feel, illustrated yet again by the recent 
K1N operation is that too many folks just don't understand the concept 
of DXpedition split working.  There was an almost constant conveyor belt 
of callers lined up on the K1N TX frequency, seemingly oblivious to the 
cops chasing the one before them off, they did exactly the same thing 
one after the other.  You can provide all the split indications you like 
until you are blue in the face but if callers don't figure out they need 
to go split in the first instance, don't understand UP, nothing is 
gained.  Education on how most DXpeds operate would reduce the current 
chaos.  Accidents will happen, been there, done that, but that is what 
they will be, accidents not wilful.


Regards,

Mike VP8NO
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Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors

Properly assembled APP connectors won’t come apart of their own accord. I do 
like that they will separate willingly when moderate tension is applied to 
them. I have used them on motorcycles in power lines for heated clothing & HT’s 
or GPS’s attached to my person. Having forgotten these tethers a few times 
during a quick dismount, i.e. to render aid to a participant while supporting a 
public service event, I liked that an expensive device wasn’t ripped off and 
thrown to the ground, as it might have been with a different style connector. 
Same would apply when moving things around in a shack or during portable 
operations. I doubt they would be an ARES standard if most OM’s didn’t find 
them suitable.

Regarding other recent complaints, I have always found that genuine APP 
connector shells mate (dovetail) together very firmly. I typically use zip cord 
type leads, separated only slightly at the connector, or I use shrink wrap 
around separate leads near the connectors. So I first assemble the shells, then 
insert both the crimped terminals into the shells together until they click in. 
Using this method, I’ve found no need for securing the shells of a connection 
pair together by additional means. On the few occasions that I have used the 
split pins that come with some APP bulk connector sets, I have found that they 
need to be inserted with moderate force, such that they will not be falling 
out. I typically don’t use the split pins because I occasionally like to use 
the retention clips (to address Rick’s concern) that hold mated pairs together 
when they will be in a not readily visible area and I want them secured. These 
clips use the holes formed by the shells as part of their retention scheme.

Yes, they can be mis-connected if common sense isn’t applied, but confirming a 
proper mating visually or by feel isn’t difficult.

If used in corrosive or high frequency vibration environments, a light film of 
dielectric grease will keep the contact areas healthy and current flowing with 
minimal resistance. Oxymoron, I know, but it’s worked for me for decades on all 
my m/c electrical connectors..

Being a fan of interchangeability and interconnectivity, and with as many 
different mfr’s transceivers, power sources, adapters and cables that I have, I 
will continue to use and appreciate them with no complaints. I share Phil’s 
position on the dislike mystery.

73 de Dennis KD7CAC
Scottsdale, AZ

> On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:03 PM, Rick Bates  > wrote:
> 
> Because the is no locking mechanism to keep them connected; far too easy to 
> pull apart.
> 
> Not the black/red paired pieces, what they mate to.  A lock like used in the 
> auto industry connectors would improve them immensely.  
> 
> 73,
> Rick wa6nhc
> 
> Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Phil Hystad > > wrote:
>> 
>> Its a mystery to me why people don't like the APP connectors.
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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

Sure. Put BW$; where  is the bandwidth/10 desired in the macro 
assigned to the key. So BW$0200; sets the bandwidth of the subrx to 2 kHz.


On 18 Feb 2015 13:31, N2TK, Tony wrote:

While we are on this subject, I have PF1 programmed for split up 2KHZ and
PF2 programmed for split up 5KHZ. Is there a way I can program RCVR B to
have a very wide filter setting tied into PF! Or PF2? Right now after
holding in either PF1 or PF2 I need to go into B SET to open up the
bandwidth. I like a wide bandwidth on the B RCVR to make it easier to find
who the FDX is working.
Tnx
N2TK, Tony


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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread Brendan Minish


Hi Tony,

Yes you can set the VFO bandwidth as part of your macro

Mine is as follows

DV0;SWT13;SW13;FT1;UPB5;XT0;SB1;MN111;MP001;MN255;BW$0100;

BW$0100;

Sets VFO B filter bandwidth at 1Khz
for 2.7KHz you would want
BW$0270;

MN111;MP001;MN255 sets up the internal audio mixer to
A Ab so that the main is in both ears and the sub in right ear only

my 'clear' macro
FT0;RT0;DV0;SB1;MN111;MP000;MN255;SB0;

undoes the audio mix





On 18/02/2015 11:31, N2TK, Tony wrote:

While we are on this subject, I have PF1 programmed for split up 2KHZ and
PF2 programmed for split up 5KHZ. Is there a way I can program RCVR B to
have a very wide filter setting tied into PF! Or PF2? Right now after
holding in either PF1 or PF2 I need to go into B SET to open up the
bandwidth. I like a wide bandwidth on the B RCVR to make it easier to find
who the FDX is working.
Tnx
N2TK, Tony

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne
Burdick
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:17 AM
To: d...@nk7z.net
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on
keydown

I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a
flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant,
given this discussion.

Wayne
N6KR



On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole  wrote:


Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split?
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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread Cady, Fred

What I'd like to see is a change to the cursors in the P3.  It would be nice if 
the transmit VFO were always red.  So when not split, VFO A would be red, when 
XIT on, VFO A receive would be green and the XIT offset shown in red(as it is 
now). VFO B could stay magenta.  When split, VFO receive is green and VFO B 
red.  

Flashing something when in split doesn't warn you when you should be in split 
and are not so I agree with Eric.

Cheers,
Fred KE7X



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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on 
keydown

I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a 
flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given 
this discussion.

Wayne
N6KR



On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole  wrote:

> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split?
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> for MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> for Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread N2TK, Tony

Thanks Vic and Brendan for your input. I will do that today.
N2TK, Tony

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Brendan Minish
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 7:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on
keydown

Hi Tony,

Yes you can set the VFO bandwidth as part of your macro

Mine is as follows

DV0;SWT13;SW13;FT1;UPB5;XT0;SB1;MN111;MP001;MN255;BW$0100;

BW$0100;

Sets VFO B filter bandwidth at 1Khz
for 2.7KHz you would want
BW$0270;

MN111;MP001;MN255 sets up the internal audio mixer to A Ab so that the main
is in both ears and the sub in right ear only

my 'clear' macro
FT0;RT0;DV0;SB1;MN111;MP000;MN255;SB0;

undoes the audio mix





On 18/02/2015 11:31, N2TK, Tony wrote:
> While we are on this subject, I have PF1 programmed for split up 2KHZ 
> and
> PF2 programmed for split up 5KHZ. Is there a way I can program RCVR B 
> to have a very wide filter setting tied into PF! Or PF2? Right now 
> after holding in either PF1 or PF2 I need to go into B SET to open up 
> the bandwidth. I like a wide bandwidth on the B RCVR to make it easier 
> to find who the FDX is working.
> Tnx
> N2TK, Tony
>
> -Original Message-
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> Wayne Burdick
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit 
> frequency on keydown
>
> I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me 
> that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they 
> will recant, given this discussion.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole  wrote:
>
>> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split?
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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread Tony G6GLP

To add a little more fuel to the fire there is another option that could 
keep the two sides happy.
If the main display was to show the active frequency on RX and on TX. 
I.E when in split mode change the main display to the TX frequency the 
RX freq then being shown on the sub display and reverting back as you go 
back to RX. This feature could be enabled or disabled by a flag in config.


I am sure there are many more alternatives that are worthy of a 
consideration.


73 de Tony G6GLP



On 18/02/2015 11:10, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
I think as you and W4TV have pointed out, there isn't a problem in 
determining that SPLIT is on. Not noticing that it's OFF is the issue! 
Wayne can make the radio sit up and whistle 'Dixie' when SPLIT is on 
and it will not help.


I used to be prime cop meat until I made a macro to turn on SPLIT as 
well as set VFO B up a couple of kHz. What caused my error was that I 
was so focused on finding the station working the DX with VFO B, that 
I forgot the extra button press.


My solution was to combine turning on SPLIT with offsetting VFO B. 
Either the user can make a macro, or Wayne could implement the 
much-discussed programmable SPLIT feature.


On 18 Feb 2015 03:38, Don Wilhelm wrote:

How about 'blinking' the intensity of the VFO B display to indicate
SPLIT is turned on.
I don't know how to announce that it is off  when it should be on -
because that is the normal condition.  I guess one has to rely on the
"up cops".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/17/2015 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT"
during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess
up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX.

Wayne




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Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors

2015-02-18 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

I hate them too - there was something similar on the lead out the back of my 
FT-857 - I moved the rig an 1/8" and it disconnected - it had gone 
intermittent, on the rig side. I replaced it with APP and no problem.
73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) - waiting for the 'GO' with blowtorch in 
hand!
-- 
Power is no substitute for Skill.

> On 18 Feb 2015, at 03:39, Phil Hystad  wrote:
> 
> P.S.  The connectors that I really hate with a passion are those MOLEX 
> connectors that ICOM likes to use for Power.  If and when I become dictator 
> of the world, we will burn all of the MOLEX connectors on the planet. I 
> dumped all my ICOM gear because of those MOLEX connectors -- of course, I had 
> bought the entire K-Line by then.

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Re: [Elecraft] G Ops - K Line description in RadCom - slightly OT

2015-02-18 Thread Scott Manthe

My KPA500 will put out 600 watts with ease, 680-700 on some bands. I've 
never pushed that hard, although I routinely run it at 550-575, so maybe 
they're not fudging things too much.


73,
Scott, N9AA


On 2/18/15 6:05 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

Slightly off-topic, but I've opened up my March RadCom, to find a W&S add on 
the inside back page, advertising a K line (K3, P3, KPA500) as a 600W station - am 
I going nut's or have they decided that 100W from the K3 plus 500W from the KPA 
means you get 600W out?

73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)

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Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors

2015-02-18 Thread dmoes



Ive looked at  XT60s and the Deans connectors

Seems the Deans connectors are popular but look a little challenging 
to solder The XT60s are a little better that way for soldering but 
are more expensive60 is for 60 amps  I like overkill so it may  
seem a better option  but beware  they are not patented so I am sure 
there is a flood of cheep sub standard  knockoffs out there.


That said   I  haven't had much trouble with APP's   and everything in 
the shack and car that is 12V is using them.



to prevent separation of the red and black  I just touch the joint 
between them with the soldering iron melting some of the plastic 
together or a dab of crazy glue.I have when using heavy wire pried 
up the little leaf spring in the connector body before assembly  so 
that it has a little more force on the connector pin.  that seems to 
help.   I like the cost  $15 for a baggy of 10 pairs at the local ham 
shop.   XT60 at the local hobby store are more than twice that.   but 
then again he sells APP for 4.99 a pair.XT 60s are much cheeper if 
ordered online like Hobby King



David Moes
VE3DVY



--- Original message ---
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors
From: Michael Walker 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Date: Tuesday, 17/02/2015  9:51 PM

I use APP's with great success.  Yes, I wish they were a little more 
firm

in their locking, but I do like the speed of crimping.

However, as I move forward, I will be switching to Dean's connectors 
or
XT60's only for the fact they don't require an expensive crimper and 
they

are very inexpensive.

Mike va3mw
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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread Jeffrey Otterson

Can we have the radio shout "UP! UP! UP!"  and then an exasperated "idiot"?

Thanks,

Jeff



> From: Ken Chandler 
> To: "" 
> Cc:
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:07:09 +
> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency
> on keydown
> Wayne
> The radio has recording playback ability.
>  Why not! Put a pre recorded fixed / user enabled, audible warning message
> when out of SPLIT mode!
> Ken.. G0ORH - M3i
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Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors

2015-02-18 Thread K9ZTV

ARRL Midwest Convention, Lebanon, MIssouri, 2007 . . .

Possessing the only two K3s then in existence in the state of Missouri, N0SS 
(s.n. 8) and I (s.n. 21) were asked to set-up a booth displaying one torn apart 
and one on the air.  Not an hour had elapsed before yours truly got his feet 
tangled up in the power cord, yanking it from the on-air K3.  In that instant I 
became a lover of Anderson Power Poles when the $4000 rig stayed on the table 
and the $0.25 APP connector hit the floor.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV

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Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors

Now that is deserving of an Amen!

73 de Dennis KD7CAC
Scottsdale, AZ

> On Feb 18, 2015, at 6:27 AM, K9ZTV  wrote:
> 
> ARRL Midwest Convention, Lebanon, MIssouri, 2007 . . .
> 
> Possessing the only two K3s then in existence in the state of Missouri, N0SS 
> (s.n. 8) and I (s.n. 21) were asked to set-up a booth displaying one torn 
> apart and one on the air.  Not an hour had elapsed before yours truly got his 
> feet tangled up in the power cord, yanking it from the on-air K3.  In that 
> instant I became a lover of Anderson Power Poles when the $4000 rig stayed on 
> the table and the $0.25 APP connector hit the floor.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Kent  K9ZTV
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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread Mike K2MK

I think Steve has it correct. Everybody engaged in this discussion obviously
understands how to get in and out of split and knows when to use it. I
believe that the 3 existing visual indicators on the K3 are adequate. I
think the problem occurs because we are not looking at the K3. We are
concentrating on the audio and studying our P3 and computer monitor(s). We
might be turning the VFO-B knob but we're not necessarily looking at the
radio. So when we hear "UP" we don't even realize that we are the offender.

73,
Mike K2MK


wb6rse1 wrote
> THE simplest solution is for the op to just simply pay attention.
> 
> Steve WB6RSE





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Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors

It should be possible, with just a bit of practice, and maybe with a little 
initial help from a sighted person, for a visually impaired person with good 
manual dexterity to effect a good crimp with a proper crimping tool. The 
terminals can be easily indexed by feel. A few short, identifiable lengths of 
the various gauge wires being used, with ends that have been stripped and 
lightly tinned, would make good go/no go gages to allow a visually impaired 
person to select the appropriate 15 or 30 gage APP terminal for the wire gage 
being used, w/o possibly bird’s nesting the strands in the process. I think 
most would agree that a good crimp is sufficient, and soldering isn’t generally 
recommended for these connectors.

73 de Dennis KD7CAC
Scottsdale, AZ

> On Feb 18, 2015, at 5:30 AM, Gerry leary  wrote:
> 
> I really like Anderson's a lot. As a blind person I find them very easy to 
> assemble. I usually get help soldering them but I find that the good crimping 
> tool works well.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone this time
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Re: [Elecraft] G Ops - K Line description in RadCom - slightly OT

2015-02-18 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

OK, I hadn't realised it was that much over-spec'd - which is good - not for us 
Brits of course, with an upper limit of 400W :-(

73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)

Thank everyone who calls out your faults, your anger, your impatience, your 
egotism; do this consciously, voluntarily.
-Jean Toomer, poet and novelist (1894-1967) 

> On 18 Feb 2015, at 13:09, Scott Manthe  wrote:
> 
> My KPA500 will put out 600 watts with ease, 680-700 on some bands. I've never 
> pushed that hard, although I routinely run it at 550-575, so maybe they're 
> not fudging things too much.
> 
> 73,
> Scott, N9AA
> 
> 
> On 2/18/15 6:05 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
>> Slightly off-topic, but I've opened up my March RadCom, to find a W&S add on 
>> the inside back page, advertising a K line (K3, P3, KPA500) as a 600W 
>> station - am I going nut's or have they decided that 100W from the K3 plus 
>> 500W from the KPA means you get 600W out?
>> 
>> 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
>> 
>> The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge 
>> faster than society gathers wisdom. -Isaac Asimov, scientist and writer 
>> (1920-1992)
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Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors

2015-02-18 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft

I have to agree with the crimping of PP connectors and in Crimping in general.
It's my understanding that PP need the ability to flex a little to function 
properly.Crimp tools seem expensive at first, but they are cheap once you 
realize the ease of use.

I tried soldering PP in the past and they never seemed to mate quite right, the 
crimped ones work well.


  From: Kenneth Talbott 
 To: "'David Ferrington, M0XDF'" ; 'Chris Hallinan' 
 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 3:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors
   
A proper crimp is far superior to solder! (Let the flames begin.)  The
solder will wick up your stranded wire and make a solid conductor of your
nice flexible wire.  The additional solid length will impart even more
torque on the APP connection.  Perhaps more importantly for power in
general, an overcurrent condition will heat the junction and melt the solder
which will proceed to flow into the most unwelcome places!  If you only own
one crimper, make it the West Mountain crimp tool for APP.
Ken - ke4rg

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David
Ferrington, M0XDF
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 10:23 AM
To: Chris Hallinan
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors

PowerPoles are not fragile, when correctly assembled/soldered. I think there
is an issue, either with your assembly to the lead or possibly with the
units mounted on the PCB in the K3 (it has been known to be in the K3).

Although I crimp all mine (well worth getting the West Mountain Radio Deluxe
crimp tool if your going to use a lot of APPs) I have to use a reasonable




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[Elecraft] Who is missing a power cord?

2015-02-18 Thread Don Wilhelm


Hi,

I found an assembled power cord with a 2.1mm coaxial plug, fuse and lugs 
for a power supply.
It has to belong to someone for whom I repaired a radio, but I don't 
know who.


I found it in the box that I dump packing peanuts into, so I don't know 
how long it has been there.
If anyone I did a repair for is missing a power cord, please email me 
off-list.


Thanks for the bandwidth.

73,
Don W3FPR
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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread Doug VE3VS

I have been a K3 user for a few years. The one event that has always bugged
me is that it seems way too easy to unknowingly have the rig "drop out" of
SPLIT, with the result that I have made far too many transmissions
(unwittingly) on the DX calling frequency rather than where the frequency of
VFO B is indicating, and where the cursor on the P3 is showing. Yes, I know
about the yellow LED and the tiny down indicator and the small (SPLT) that
should be illuminated. However, many of my previous rigs have always had
what I considered to be a superb feature, the flipping of the frequency
readouts, a very visible and noticeable change that can be picked up with
even peripheral vision if looking somewhat away from the actual readout. I
have a single receiver in my K3, and naturally I quite often use the REV
button to check out the pileup. Notice how easily the display flips. I
really wish the display would do exactly that when PTT is asserted, so it
would clearly indicate that I really am still operating split.

I hope this could become a "user option" in the near future.
Doug VE3VS

Wayne said
Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during
key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B
display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX.

...that too would be a very obvious indicator that the rig is actually
doing what we wanted it to do.

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Re: [Elecraft] G Ops - K Line description in RadCom - slightly OT

2015-02-18 Thread Ignacy

One issue with solid state amps is that IMD increases rapidly well before the
saturation point. Probably most 100W rigs can be cranked up to 150W but with
bad IMD especially into some loads. So 700W saturated may mean 500W linear. 

The maximum semi-linear power can be easily found by measuring  1db or 2db
compression point. My Expert 2k-fa can easily deliver > 2 KW peak but the
compression point is around 1500W. 

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Re: [Elecraft] 160M Diversity Antennas

2015-02-18 Thread Ignacy

I use Hi-Z 3 el and inv-L or magnetic loop. inv-L is noisy but often picks up
DX signals well enough to allow rotation of Hi-Z and a better diversity
copy. Magnetic loop is excellent for separating different strong signals
(useful when running) but does not pick up weak signals (despite a preamp). 
Ignacy, NO9E 



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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread Ted Bryant

Instead of flashing the Delta-F LED that is on the far left of the radio,
would it not be more effective to flash the "SPLT" indicator, "TX" indicator
and arrow in the display just like the "TX" flashes when in test mode?
After all, this is where your attention is usually focused.  To be most
effective, do not make the flashing optional.
 
73, Ted W4NZ


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keydown

I like it.

Wayne

On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:38 PM, Dwayne Rohmer  wrote:

> How about CONFIG: DELTA-F LED (nor or FLASH)
> 
> 73,
> 
> Dwayne WV5I
> 
> On 2/18/2015 12:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that
a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant,
given this discussion.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole  wrote:
>> 
>>> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split?
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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown



I agree with Eric ... the Delta-F lamp is the *third* indicator of
split operation and is already rather bright even when MENU:LED
BRT is reduced to near the minimum.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-02-18 1:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing 
Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this 
discussion.

Wayne
N6KR



On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole  wrote:


Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split?
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[Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this behavior:

- If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A is TX in 
this case.)

- If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX in this 
case.)

So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you need 
to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning.

The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the change 
in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come on when 
you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being retriggered each time 
you key. To get an idea of what that would look like, just watch the RX and TX 
metering scales as you key the radio.

It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX station on 
the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to get your 
attention.

It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire 
contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A knob, 
where the action is.

Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

> Joe, that is a great idea, but it doesn't go far enough. Some users
> might switch off the test mode on purpose.

The software can enable it as quickly as the user can disable it .

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV

On 2015-02-18 6:21 AM, Mitch Wolfson DJØQN wrote:

Joe, that is a great idea, but it doesn't go far enough. Some users
might switch off the test mode on purpose. In this case, the K3 should
induce an electric shock. Add some voice recognition software, so that
when the user says "UP" in simplex mode, the K3 self-destructs.  ;-)

73,
Mitcn DJ0QN

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On 18.02.2015 02:00, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

Looking for the *absence* of a change when the PTT is pressed or the
key is tapped to indicate that one has forgotten to engage split is a
bit counter intuitive.  The *three* current indicators that split is
engaged *before* entering transmit are the logical UI.

Perhaps the better solution is to ask the logging software authors to
determine when VFO A is tuned to a frequency spotted as split and
select TEST MODE if split is not engaged or both VFOs are on the same
frequency !   Maybe a lack of output will be sufficient "immediate
feedback".

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV

On 2015-02-17 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT"
during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't
mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX.

Wayne

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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread Stewart

I know that it's not the K3 display, but I have my MicroHam Keyer II LCD setup 
in that way. Normally the top display line shows the K3 VFO A and the bottom  
line VFO B. When transmitting in SPLIT the top line changes to display the same 
frequency as the bottom line. Very easy to see

73
Stewart G3RXQ

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:23:50 -0700 (MST), Doug VE3VS wrote:
> I have been a K3 user for a few years. The one event that has always bugged
> me is that it seems way too easy to unknowingly have the rig "drop out" of
> SPLIT, with the result that I have made far too many transmissions
> (unwittingly) on the DX calling frequency rather than where the frequency of
> VFO B is indicating, and where the cursor on the P3 is showing. Yes, I know
> about the yellow LED and the tiny down indicator and the small (SPLT) that
> should be illuminated. However, many of my previous rigs have always had
> what I considered to be a superb feature, the flipping of the frequency
> readouts, a very visible and noticeable change that can be picked up with
> even peripheral vision if looking somewhat away from the actual readout.  I
> have a single receiver in my K3, and naturally I quite often use the REV
> button to check out the pileup. Notice how easily the display flips.  I
> really wish the display would do exactly that when PTT is asserted, so it
> would clearly indicate that I really am still operating split.
>
> I hope this could become a "user option" in the near future.
> Doug VE3VS
>
> Wayne said
> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during
> key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B
> display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX.
>
> ...that too would be a very obvious indicator that the rig is actually
> doing what we wanted it to do.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread dave

I dunno . . .

What we are doing is attempting to address an op who is not paying
attention. But, if the op is not paying attention, how is any of this
going to have any effect? I think it is all a waste of time and effort.

If someone is not paying attention, they are not paying attention, and
the *only* cure is for them to being paying attention to what they are
doing.

I don't think the various band aids being discussed will help. The guy
is still not going to be paying attention. He is distracted by
something else.

I would suggest that the time spent, which might well be wasted on
this project, be used for something more productive. The K3 is fine as
it is. It is the op that is the problem, not the K3.

73 de dave
ab9ca/4

On 2/18/15 9:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this behavior:

- If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A is TX in
this case.)

- If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX in this
case.)

So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you need
to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning.

The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the change in metering from RX
to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come on when you key, and stay on
for at least 300 ms, the timer being retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what that
would look like, just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you key the radio.

It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX station on
the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to get your attention.

It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire
contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A knob,
where the action is.

Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread mike

Although I don't have a major problem the way it works now, I think the
change you suggest would actually help. There are times when I have made the
error of not operating split when I have wanted to, in spite of the current
indicators. I do watch the frequency readouts, so emphasizing the SPLIT
there I think would be a good upgrade. 73  ..mike  AI6II



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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread Carey Magee

Hi All:

Would this be able to be set as an option in the Menu/Config Menu?  I
currently am fine with split indication. If I include my logging program I
currently have 4 indicators to remind me.

Thanks

73,
Carey Magee, K2RNY
Rochester New York
Grid: FN13ef
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On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this
> behavior:
>
> - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A is
> TX in this case.)
>
> - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX in
> this case.)
>
> So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you
> need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning.
>
> The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the
> change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come
> on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being
> retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what that would look like,
> just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you key the radio.
>
> It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX
> station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to
> get your attention.
>
> It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire
> contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A
> knob, where the action is.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

What a good idea!  Also, why not just write SPLIT on the screen
someplace of the P3, and flash the Delta-F light.
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On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 05:22 -0700, Cady, Fred wrote:
> What I'd like to see is a change to the cursors in the P3.  It would be nice 
> if the transmit VFO were always red.  So when not split, VFO A would be red, 
> when XIT on, VFO A receive would be green and the XIT offset shown in red(as 
> it is now). VFO B could stay magenta.  When split, VFO receive is green and 
> VFO B red.  
> 
> Flashing something when in split doesn't warn you when you should be in split 
> and are not so I agree with Eric.
> 
> Cheers,
> Fred KE7X
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne 
> Burdick
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:17 PM
> To: d...@nk7z.net
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on 
> keydown
> 
> I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a 
> flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, 
> given this discussion.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole  wrote:
> 
> > Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split?
> > --
> > Thanks and 73's,
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> > www.nk7z.net
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> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors

I have had zero problems with Powerpoles, and would think it a bad thing
to not have them on the radio.
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On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 06:31 -0700, Dennis Griffin wrote:
> Now that is deserving of an Amen!
> 
> 73 de Dennis KD7CAC
> Scottsdale, AZ
> 
> > On Feb 18, 2015, at 6:27 AM, K9ZTV  wrote:
> > 
> > ARRL Midwest Convention, Lebanon, MIssouri, 2007 . . .
> > 
> > Possessing the only two K3s then in existence in the state of Missouri, 
> > N0SS (s.n. 8) and I (s.n. 21) were asked to set-up a booth displaying one 
> > torn apart and one on the air.  Not an hour had elapsed before yours truly 
> > got his feet tangled up in the power cord, yanking it from the on-air K3.  
> > In that instant I became a lover of Anderson Power Poles when the $4000 rig 
> > stayed on the table and the $0.25 APP connector hit the floor.
> > 
> > 73,
> > 
> > Kent  K9ZTV
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Re: [Elecraft] Sharing a KX3 to multiple application on Mac OS 10.10

2015-02-18 Thread Edouard Lafargue

Joshua,

Very easy to do :-) I developed software to do just this, called Wizkers (
http://wizkers.io/) . it can be downloaded from the Chrome app store and
installs in a matter of seconds. Works on any computer ( and no, no need
for an Internetb connection once it is installed...)

Once Wizkers is running, it will give you a rig sharing interface so that
you can have multiple programs use the rig. I do this with RUMLog, fldigi
and jt65 at the same time, works great...

Contact me direct if you need help!

Ed, w6ela

PS: wizkers is open source, so it is also free, which doesn't hurt either.
On Feb 16, 2015 7:49 AM, "Joshua Gould"  wrote:

> Any one know of a way to do it?  I would like to be able to share the
> serial port among at least the KX3 utility and RUMLog (Which after reading
> the manual I have a much better understanding of) More software might come
> along later, but those are the big two for now.
>
> 72,
> Joshua Gould
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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

Any change we make in the way split is indicated would have to be enabled using 
a menu entry. The present behavior will remain the default.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Feb 18, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Carey Magee  wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> Would this be able to be set as an option in the Menu/Config Menu?  I 
> currently am fine with split indication. If I include my logging program I 
> currently have 4 indicators to remind me.
> 
> Thanks  
> 
> 73,
> Carey Magee, K2RNY
> Rochester New York
> Grid: FN13ef
> arsk2...@gmail.com
> 
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this behavior:
> 
> - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A is TX 
> in this case.)
> 
> - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX in 
> this case.)
> 
> So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you 
> need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning.
> 
> The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the change 
> in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come on when 
> you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being retriggered each 
> time you key. To get an idea of what that would look like, just watch the RX 
> and TX metering scales as you key the radio.
> 
> It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX station 
> on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to get your 
> attention.
> 
> It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire 
> contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A 
> knob, where the action is.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

Wayne,
If the user has a P3 connected, please consider the addition of
something on the P3 to indicate split.  Most of my eye action is on the
P3 in a pileup, not on the frequency.  
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On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 07:02 -0800, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this behavior:
> 
> - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A is TX 
> in this case.)
> 
> - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX in 
> this case.)
> 
> So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you 
> need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning.
> 
> The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the change 
> in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come on when 
> you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being retriggered each 
> time you key. To get an idea of what that would look like, just watch the RX 
> and TX metering scales as you key the radio.
> 
> It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX station 
> on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to get your 
> attention.
> 
> It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire 
> contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A 
> knob, where the action is.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread Ted Roycraft

Bingo!  No amount of flashing on the K3 screen is going to correct poor 
operating habits.  Nothing can substitute for good operating practices 
which become habits.   It takes 2 seconds to check the K3 status before 
sending.  Make a habit.  If you don't do that, you won't see anything 
flashing on the screen either.


I think that one menu item that is already there that can help is "SPLIT 
SV".  Set it to "YES".


73, Ted, W2ZK

On 2/18/2015 10:17 AM, dave wrote:


I dunno . . .

What we are doing is attempting to address an op who is not paying 
attention. But, if the op is not paying attention, how is any of this 
going to have any effect? I think it is all a waste of time and effort.


If someone is not paying attention, they are not paying attention, and 
the *only* cure is for them to being paying attention to what they are 
doing.


I don't think the various band aids being discussed will help. The guy 
is still not going to be paying attention. He is distracted by 
something else.


I would suggest that the time spent, which might well be wasted on 
this project, be used for something more productive. The K3 is fine as 
it is. It is the op that is the problem, not the K3.


73 de dave
ab9ca/4



On 2/18/15 9:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this 
behavior:


- If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. 
(A is TX in this case.)


- If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is 
TX in this case.)


So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed 
(you need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a 
warning.


The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with 
the change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" 
would come on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the 
timer being retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what 
that would look like, just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you 
key the radio.


It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX 
station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and 
go to get your attention.


It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the 
entire contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close 
to the VFO A knob, where the action is.


Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread Terry Schieler

Or, when in the "SPLIT" mode, and transmitting on VFO A, have the display 
programmed to scroll "UP UP UP U IDIOT".  ;o)

Terry WØFM



-Original Message-
From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n...@elecraft.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:38 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on 
keydown

Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during 
key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B 
display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX.

Wayne


On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> I share Joe's dislike of the idea of changing VFO A to the VFO B frequency 
> during split TX. It's just a major semantic disconnect.
> 
> However, we could do something like replace the leftmost 3 characters of the 
> VFO B frequency display with "SPL" during key-down. Would that be obnoxious 
> enough? 
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

Dave (AB9CA),

Given your logic, we should get rid of all street signs, and stop
lights, and guard rails on bridges, and roads, because the drivers are
just initiative, and the crutch o guard rails is not needed for them.

Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided
indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to
indicate is not the case.
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On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 09:17 -0600, dave wrote:
> I dunno . . .
> 
> What we are doing is attempting to address an op who is not paying 
> attention. But, if the op is not paying attention, how is any of this 
> going to have any effect? I think it is all a waste of time and effort.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Diversity on 160m?

2015-02-18 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A


Jim,

On 160m
For TX: 5/8 wave inverted L
For diversity RX: RX-4-square

73
Arie PA3A

Jim Miller schreef op 18-2-2015 om 1:17:

What are folks using for their two antennas to provide improved reception
on 160m? I have a recently installed 2 element vertical RX array and
thought the next step would be trying diversity but not clear that my only
other 160 antenna (inverted L) would be sufficiently different to be of use.

Thanks

Jim ab3cv


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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread Chester Alderman

Dave,

I think what you are saying is exactly the case. Bless their soul, Elecraft
is trying to solve a human issue because folks don't pay attention to what
they are doing. The K3 works just fine and it is, in my opinion, NOT
Elecrafts task to solve the human issue.

73,
Tom - W4BQF


-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:17 AM
To: Wayne Burdick; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings


I dunno . . .

What we are doing is attempting to address an op who is not paying
attention. But, if the op is not paying attention, how is any of this going
to have any effect? I think it is all a waste of time and effort.

If someone is not paying attention, they are not paying attention, and the
*only* cure is for them to being paying attention to what they are doing.

I don't think the various band aids being discussed will help. The guy is
still not going to be paying attention. He is distracted by something else.

I would suggest that the time spent, which might well be wasted on this
project, be used for something more productive. The K3 is fine as it is. It
is the op that is the problem, not the K3.

73 de dave
ab9ca/4



On 2/18/15 9:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this
behavior:
>
> - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A 
> is TX in this case.)
>
> - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX 
> in this case.)
>
> So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you
need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning.
>
> The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the
change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come
on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being
retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what that would look like,
just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you key the radio.
>
> It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX
station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to
get your attention.
>
> It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire
contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A
knob, where the action is.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread Bob Harvey - K2PI

Please just forget I asked.  I give, I give!

K2PI

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Don Wilhelm-4 [via Elecraft] <
ml-node+s365791n7598777...@n2.nabble.com> wrote:

> How about 'blinking' the intensity of the VFO B display to indicate
> SPLIT is turned on.
> I don't know how to announce that it is off  when it should be on -
> because that is the normal condition.  I guess one has to rely on the
> "up cops".
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 2/17/2015 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> > Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT"
> during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up
> the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread Phil Wheeler


Bravo!

Phil W7OX

On 2/18/15 7:30 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Any change we make in the way split is indicated would have to be enabled using 
a menu entry. The present behavior will remain the default.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread Chester Alderman

Now that is a GREAT idea!
73,
Tom - W4BQF


-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne
Burdick
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:30 AM
To: Carey Magee
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

Any change we make in the way split is indicated would have to be enabled
using a menu entry. The present behavior will remain the default.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Feb 18, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Carey Magee  wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> Would this be able to be set as an option in the Menu/Config Menu?  I
currently am fine with split indication. If I include my logging program I
currently have 4 indicators to remind me.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 73,
> Carey Magee, K2RNY
> Rochester New York
> Grid: FN13ef
> arsk2...@gmail.com
> 
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this
behavior:
> 
> - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A 
> is TX in this case.)
> 
> - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX 
> in this case.)
> 
> So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you
need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning.
> 
> The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the
change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come
on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being
retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what that would look like,
just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you key the radio.
> 
> It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX
station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to
get your attention.
> 
> It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire
contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A
knob, where the action is.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

> Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided
> indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to
> indicate is not the case.

Implicit in your statement is that the transceiver, automobile, roadway
or whatever should make it impossible for the operator to have an
accident.  That's not possible - there are those who can break an
anvil.

The current design that *THREE* separate indications of split operation.
Any *one* of those should be sufficient.  *NONE* of the proposals do
anything to address the real question which should be how to notify the
operator that he *should be in split*.

The problem is that the operator *is not paying attention*.  The
correct approach would be:  every time the operator activates transmit,
the rig display should show a message that says "you are in transceive
(simplex) - are you sure you should not engage split?  Press XMIT to
begin transmitting"

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV

On 2015-02-18 10:40 AM, David Cole wrote:

Dave (AB9CA),

Given your logic, we should get rid of all street signs, and stop
lights, and guard rails on bridges, and roads, because the drivers are
just initiative, and the crutch o guard rails is not needed for them.

Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided
indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to
indicate is not the case.

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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread brian


Reminds me of a snippett from a pileup:

Unknown station: "IK5XXXQ UP UP UP don't you understand English?"
Of course we have the same problem with guys trying to use code readers.
 Either they are not decoding  UP or don't understand what UP means.

73 de Brian/K3KO
On 2/18/2015 15:33 PM, Ted Roycraft wrote:
Bingo! No amount of flashing on the K3 screen is going to correct poor 
operating habits.  Nothing can substitute for good operating practices 
which become habits.   It takes 2 seconds to check the K3 status 
before sending.  Make a habit.  If you don't do that, you won't see 
anything flashing on the screen either.


I think that one menu item that is already there that can help is 
"SPLIT SV".  Set it to "YES".


73, Ted, W2ZK

On 2/18/2015 10:17 AM, dave wrote:


I dunno . . .

What we are doing is attempting to address an op who is not paying 
attention. But, if the op is not paying attention, how is any of this 
going to have any effect? I think it is all a waste of time and effort.


If someone is not paying attention, they are not paying attention, 
and the *only* cure is for them to being paying attention to what 
they are doing.


I don't think the various band aids being discussed will help. The 
guy is still not going to be paying attention. He is distracted by 
something else.


I would suggest that the time spent, which might well be wasted on 
this project, be used for something more productive. The K3 is fine 
as it is. It is the op that is the problem, not the K3.


73 de dave
ab9ca/4



On 2/18/15 9:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this 
behavior:


- If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. 
(A is TX in this case.)


- If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is 
TX in this case.)


So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still 
displayed (you need to know that), but the RX display is used to 
provide a warning.


The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with 
the change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" 
would come on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the 
timer being retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what 
that would look like, just watch the RX and TX metering scales as 
you key the radio.


It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX 
station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come 
and go to get your attention.


It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the 
entire contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close 
to the VFO A knob, where the action is.


Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings




please consider the addition of something on the P3 to indicate
split.


It's *ALREADY THERE* - the Transmit (VFO B) cursor is *RED* when
split.  In addition, there is a separate (*THIRD*) red cursor
showing the transmit frequency when XIT is engaged.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-02-18 10:31 AM, David Cole wrote:

Wayne,
If the user has a P3 connected, please consider the addition of
something on the P3 to indicate split.  Most of my eye action is on the
P3 in a pileup, not on the frequency.


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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

User interface design is often called upon to make up for human failings. We 
get distracted, we forget, we have trouble breaking bad habits, we easily 
acquire new ones. This is true no matter how much training we have. The 
designer tries to take such issues into account up front, but sometimes we find 
out later and make adjustments.

My cognitive science professor, Don Norman, put a heavy emphasis on embedding 
knowledge "in the world." Signs and indicators need to be as unambiguous as 
possible to help those of us who can't or won't pay attention. Ideally the 
indications are intuitive, so users adapt to them easily and don't feel 
oppressed by them. That distinction is in play here. And while I'd love to add 
a dozen more LEDs, a klaxon horn, and a Van de Graf generator to the K3's user 
interface, we have to work within the limits of the existing hardware.

Providing an optional means of reinforcing split/non-split state is in the 
tradition of design iteration -- using feedback about real errors that people 
make, then minimizing them. That's why we're having this conversation.

Wayne
N6KR




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[Elecraft] RS232 troubles

2015-02-18 Thread Karel Karmasin


Hi there,

I have following problems with my RS232 K2 connection:
On a desktop PC with WIN7 everything working OK, all COM ports including 
USB/COM adapter running without any issue. When I am reconnected same 
USB/COM adapter with the same cable (between K2 and adapter) to the USB 
port on laptop, no communication. Of course the driver in laptop is 
installed and from the utilities and hardware control looks all OK. USB 
ports on laptop are working (checked with USB flash). All parameters on 
the COM port are the same as on desktop PC. I am on the end of my 
knowledges now, any help?


Karel, OK2FD
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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

Joe,

Just because there are three indicators for SPLIT already doesn't mean that the 
problem has been solved. Even crack operators have admitted during the past few 
days that they occasionally forget their split state, with embarrassing 
consequences. This is proof that the indications can and should be improved, if 
possible. See my previous posting.

Wayne
N6KR


On Feb 18, 2015, at 7:58 AM, "Joe Subich, W4TV"  wrote:

> 
>> please consider the addition of something on the P3 to indicate
>> split.
> 
> It's *ALREADY THERE* - the Transmit (VFO B) cursor is *RED* when
> split.  In addition, there is a separate (*THIRD*) red cursor
> showing the transmit frequency when XIT is engaged.
> 
> 73,
> 
>  ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 2015-02-18 10:31 AM, David Cole wrote:
>> Wayne,
>> If the user has a P3 connected, please consider the addition of
>> something on the P3 to indicate split.  Most of my eye action is on the
>> P3 in a pileup, not on the frequency.
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread Gary Smith

I'd like to see the option for a  fair 
sized notice saying SPLIT in Red on the 
right 1/2 of the screen, on the P3/SVGA 
when I'm in SPLIT operation, I'm more 
looking at that when I'm chasing in a 
pileup. Since I have the SVGA, I rarely 
look at the P3 itself except top select 
changes and focus on the monitor instead.

The K3 is to my left and I rarely look on 
its left side except when changing bands 
or modes; I personally would like the 
in-your-face SPLIT available on the 
monitor. Place it lower on the waterfall 
or above the reference level, somewhere 
it's obvious but does not occlude 
necessary visual data.

Not seeing SPLIT in red would be obvious 
if you're wanting to be there.

73,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] Clock chip

2015-02-18 Thread Arlen Fletcher

I’m guilty of starting a thread similar to this one a couple of months back. 

My K3 clock drifts and, being a newbie, I wasn’t certain whether it was within 
spec or not. I learned that it is within spec - but I wanted something more 
accurate - not because I NEED it, but because I thought it might be a fun 
project. 

So I designed and built a GPS clock. It uses a $40 GPS module that has a 
battery-backed clock chip in it (so it keeps reasonable time when there is no 
GPS satellite lock). It only needs a single GPS satellite for accurate time. I 
put it out in my garage because my shack is in the basement and GPS coverage is 
marginal there. It communicates with the display unit via an XBee Series One 
radio link, updating the display in my shack (driven by an Arduino Uno) about 
every 200 milliseconds. Is it overkill? Probably. But I had fun designing it, 
building it, and writing and debugging the code. I’m a ham… I do things like 
this because it’s fun - and since I’m not selling it I don’t have to worry too 
much about how practical it is. It’d be nice if the K3 clock was more accurate 
- but then I wouldn’t have learned about GPS timekeeping, XBees, and driving an 
I2C display and GPS unit from an Arduino!  :-)

73

Arlen, AA7F

> On Feb 15, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Richard Gillingham  wrote:
> 
> 
> Here in South Florida, atomic clocks will not sync it all. 73,
> Gil W1RG
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> 
>  Original message From: Ken G Kopp 
>  Date:02/15/2015  1:25 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
> To: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT"  
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector , 
> k...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock chip 
> 
> Given the tiny size of "atomic clock" /  WWVB devices ... as in wrist
> watches ... it would seem one could be integrated into both the K3 and KX3
> and make the clock actually usable.
> 
> 73
> 
> Ken - K0PP
> On Feb 15, 2015 11:17 AM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <
> k...@coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote:
> 
>> In which radio?
>> 
>> On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time.  An
>>> adjust method for what we have?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Jim KG0KP
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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread Mike Reublin NF4L

G! No!

If someone, looking at the display, doesn't notice the SPLT, or the down arrow, 
then I don't think another indicator is gonna do any good. I think the problem 
lies in NOT looking at the radio in the passion of the chase. 

If the radio is in split, and the VFO's are equal, then put a KV on the mic or 
keyer.

73, Mike NF4L

> On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> I share Joe's dislike of the idea of changing VFO A to the VFO B frequency 
> during split TX. It's just a major semantic disconnect.
> 
> However, we could do something like replace the leftmost 3 characters of the 
> VFO B frequency display with "SPL" during key-down. Would that be obnoxious 
> enough? 
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:06 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV"  wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me
>>> know I am in split operation, sure would be nice.
>> 
>> The K3 already gives *instant* feedback when in Split operation with
>> *THREE* separate indicators:
>> 
>> 1) the (SPLIT) icon on the mail display
>> 2) the "down arrow" pointing to the VFO [B] icon
>> 3) the red "Delta-F" LED between the Power button and Phones jack.
>> 
>> Changing the VFO A display in transmit would be incorrect since
>> VFO A does not change - the selected VFO changes.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>> 
>> 
>> On 2015-02-17 6:36 PM, Bob Harvey - K2PI wrote:
>>> Is there an option in the settings, or a planned firmware change, to shift
>>> the displayed K3 Frequency to the transmit frequency when working split?  I
>>> cannot count the number of times I have moved the VFO too far, or simply
>>> forgot to reset it back to split operation, only to be screamed at by DX
>>> cops on frequency.
>>> 
>>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me know I am
>>> in split operation, sure would be nice.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Harv
>>> K2PI
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread Mike Reublin NF4L

If it's an option, OK, but I am convinced that if an op misses the existing two 
indicators on the LCD display, and the Δf yellow LED, then more indicators 
aren't gonna help. And I am unanimous in my opinion.

I'd much rather see the effort go into separating VOX for data from VOX for SSB.

73, Mike NF4L

> On Feb 18, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this behavior:
> 
> - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A is TX 
> in this case.)
> 
> - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX in 
> this case.)
> 
> So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you 
> need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning.
> 
> The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the change 
> in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come on when 
> you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being retriggered each 
> time you key. To get an idea of what that would look like, just watch the RX 
> and TX metering scales as you key the radio.
> 
> It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX station 
> on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to get your 
> attention.
> 
> It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire 
> contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A 
> knob, where the action is.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread dave

> too easy to unknowingly have the rig "drop out" of
> SPLIT

I'm curious about this, how does the K3 "drop out of SPLIT"?

The only way I know to get into and out of split is to hold the A>B 
button. Is there some other front panel way? Is there a firmware bug 
that occasionally causes the K3 to forget it is in split? Or some 
combination of presses of other buttons?

Holding the A>B button takes a conscious effort. Not something that 
happens accidentally.

If it is external software (rig control, logger, etc) doing it, then 
that software needs to be fixed. Not an Elecraft problem.

And, FWIW, the SPLIT icon is rather large and is immediately above the 
VFO B display.

73 de dave
ab9ca/4

On 2/18/15 8:23 AM, Doug VE3VS wrote:

I have been a K3 user for a few years. The one event that has always bugged
me is that it seems way too easy to unknowingly have the rig "drop out" of
SPLIT, with the result that I have made far too many transmissions
(unwittingly) on the DX calling frequency rather than where the frequency of
VFO B is indicating, and where the cursor on the P3 is showing. Yes, I know
about the yellow LED and the tiny down indicator and the small (SPLT) that
should be illuminated. However, many of my previous rigs have always had
what I considered to be a superb feature, the flipping of the frequency
readouts, a very visible and noticeable change that can be picked up with
even peripheral vision if looking somewhat away from the actual readout.  I
have a single receiver in my K3, and naturally I quite often use the REV
button to check out the pileup. Notice how easily the display flips.  I
really wish the display would do exactly that when PTT is asserted, so it
would clearly indicate that I really am still operating split.

I hope this could become a "user option" in the near future.
Doug VE3VS

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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

> Providing an optional means of reinforcing split/non-split state is
> in the tradition of design iteration -- using feedback about real
> errors that people make, then minimizing them. That's why we're
> having this conversation.

The problem is that you're still trying to reinforce a negative.  The
normal operation is simplex - none of the additional indicators will
do anything to reinforce to an operator set for simplex that he
*should be* split.

These indicators only work if the operator *knows he should be split*
and if he knows that the current indicators - three on the K3, two in
the P3 - are enough to let him know that split is engaged.

Even experienced operators can get distracted.  It is not the lack
of sufficient indicators that is the distraction - it is not thinking
before pressing the PTT switch and even the best can forget to look
before transmitting.

And while I'd love to add a dozen more LEDs, a klaxon horn, and a Van
de Graf generator to the K3's user interface, we have to work within
the limits of the existing hardware.

Unfortunately those are all static indications *when split is engaged*
- they still do not (and can not) tell the operator that split *should*
*be* engaged when it is not.  The only real solution is signal decoding
that listens for "UP" and automatically engages split.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV

On 2015-02-18 11:00 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

User interface design is often called upon to make up for human
failings. We get distracted, we forget, we have trouble breaking bad
habits, we easily acquire new ones. This is true no matter how much
training we have. The designer tries to take such issues into account
up front, but sometimes we find out later and make adjustments.

My cognitive science professor, Don Norman, put a heavy emphasis on
embedding knowledge "in the world." Signs and indicators need to be
as unambiguous as possible to help those of us who can't or won't pay
attention. Ideally the indications are intuitive, so users adapt to
them easily and don't feel oppressed by them. That distinction is in
play here. And while I'd love to add a dozen more LEDs, a klaxon
horn, and a Van de Graf generator to the K3's user interface, we have
to work within the limits of the existing hardware.

Providing an optional means of reinforcing split/non-split state is
in the tradition of design iteration -- using feedback about real
errors that people make, then minimizing them. That's why we're
having this conversation.

Wayne N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L  wrote:

> If it's an option, OK, but I am convinced that if an op misses the existing 
> two indicators on the LCD display, and the Δf yellow LED, then more 
> indicators aren't gonna help. And I am unanimous in my opinion.

:)

Well, I'm not sure I agree. Yes, there are three indicators, but they're all 
quite small, and the delta-F LED is off to the side. These methods of 
indicating split all seemed like a great idea at the time, but even I miss them 
sometimes, so I'm interested in trying something else. 

My proposed "split" and "non-split" text indications might solve the "didn't 
see the indicators" problem, because they occupy so much more area of the front 
panel (about 20 times more). That seems to be the crux of the issue: a lot of 
operators want something *BIG* to change stage when they transmit, and that 
something has to indicate whether they're in split or not. 

This method also works whether you're doing "real" split (RX on VFO A, TX on 
VFO B) or "sub-RX implied split" (TX on VFO A, RX with sub on VFO B).

Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread Ted Roycraft

One way you can "drop out of SPLIT" is this.  If the "SPLIT SV" menu 
item is OFF, and you are operating split, if you switch to another band 
and turn SPLIT off, then come back to the original band, SPLIT will be 
OFF.  Turn "SPLIT SV" ON to fix this.  That way, the split status per 
band is maintained.

73, Ted, W2ZK

On 2/18/2015 11:21 AM, dave wrote:

> too easy to unknowingly have the rig "drop out" of
> SPLIT

I'm curious about this, how does the K3 "drop out of SPLIT"?

The only way I know to get into and out of split is to hold the A>B 
button. Is there some other front panel way? Is there a firmware bug 
that occasionally causes the K3 to forget it is in split? Or some 
combination of presses of other buttons?

Holding the A>B button takes a conscious effort. Not something that 
happens accidentally.

If it is external software (rig control, logger, etc) doing it, then 
that software needs to be fixed. Not an Elecraft problem.

And, FWIW, the SPLIT icon is rather large and is immediately above the 
VFO B display.

73 de dave
ab9ca/4

On 2/18/15 8:23 AM, Doug VE3VS wrote:
I have been a K3 user for a few years. The one event that has always 
bugged
me is that it seems way too easy to unknowingly have the rig "drop 
out" of

SPLIT, with the result that I have made far too many transmissions
(unwittingly) on the DX calling frequency rather than where the 
frequency of
VFO B is indicating, and where the cursor on the P3 is showing. Yes, 
I know
about the yellow LED and the tiny down indicator and the small (SPLT) 
that

should be illuminated. However, many of my previous rigs have always had
what I considered to be a superb feature, the flipping of the frequency
readouts, a very visible and noticeable change that can be picked up 
with
even peripheral vision if looking somewhat away from the actual 
readout.  I

have a single receiver in my K3, and naturally I quite often use the REV
button to check out the pileup. Notice how easily the display flips.  I
really wish the display would do exactly that when PTT is asserted, 
so it

would clearly indicate that I really am still operating split.

I hope this could become a "user option" in the near future.
Doug VE3VS

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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread Phil Wheeler

The fact that the K3 has the blessings of 
Cognitive Science is most reassuring, Wayne. :-)


Phil W7OX

On 2/18/15 8:00 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

User interface design is often called upon to make up for human failings. We 
get distracted, we forget, we have trouble breaking bad habits, we easily 
acquire new ones. This is true no matter how much training we have. The 
designer tries to take such issues into account up front, but sometimes we find 
out later and make adjustments.

My cognitive science professor, Don Norman, put a heavy emphasis on embedding knowledge 
"in the world." Signs and indicators need to be as unambiguous as possible to 
help those of us who can't or won't pay attention. Ideally the indications are intuitive, 
so users adapt to them easily and don't feel oppressed by them. That distinction is in 
play here. And while I'd love to add a dozen more LEDs, a klaxon horn, and a Van de Graf 
generator to the K3's user interface, we have to work within the limits of the existing 
hardware.

Providing an optional means of reinforcing split/non-split state is in the 
tradition of design iteration -- using feedback about real errors that people 
make, then minimizing them. That's why we're having this conversation.

Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

"Joe Subich, W4TV"  wrote:

> 
> > Providing an optional means of reinforcing split/non-split state is
> > in the tradition of design iteration -- using feedback about real
> > errors that people make, then minimizing them. That's why we're
> > having this conversation.
> 
> The problem is that you're still trying to reinforce a negative.  The
> normal operation is simplex - none of the additional indicators will
> do anything to reinforce to an operator set for simplex that he
> *should be* split.

It is partly a matter of training, and you're right, we can't solve that part 
of the problem.

But we *can* improve the visibility of split/non-split state information, and 
there's a lot of evidence that even well-trained operators could benefit from 
that. No one remembers to be in or out of split as required 100% of the time.

If we can solve part of the problem in firmware (by improving visibility), why 
not? At least this thread might then only come up semiannually. 

Meanwhile, the experts on split, including you, could help correct the other 
part of the problem by writing educational articles about split operation for 
ham magazines and web forums.

Wayne
N6KR

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[Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread Guy

Wayne,

While you are adding this "warning" feature, can you also add a cricket
sound that randomly chirps?  User configurable, of course.  Partly for the
amazement factor, partly to keep me company late at night while chasing
DX.  And it should only operate while I'm in split mode.

Maybe you could port some old code

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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread Gary Smith

It is the operator of the radio who must be in control of his 
transmitter. When I go to a split operation I always set the K3 to do 
that and I'm good to go. 

However what happens is I rarely make the Q right away and I I'll 
click on another spot I need to see how that is coming in and with my 
software, if there is a split frequency entered, the K3 will be put 
in split as well (All is good). But, when going back to the first 
frequency, unless I manually work the band switch to QSY to where I 
first set up the split, clicking on a spot in the spot log will get 
me there but if SPLIT wasn't in that info, I'll be back but not in 
SPLIT. When I transmit I'll be dead on the DX.

If I had clicked on a spot on the same band, I may or may not have 
had a SPLIT entered based on the info the spotter had left. So if 
there was no SPLIT, then QSYing back to the first frequency, I'd 
again have no SPLIT.

The problem being that I had set up a split the first time but later 
left the frequency and going back to it, I have to check to see if 
I'm still in split. Yes, the responsibility is mine to do so but it's 
easy to be curious about other possible Qs and then having your 
original settings be undone without you thinking about it.

I suspect some version of that scenario happens to most people. For 
me, seeing the words in color on the P3 would be an in your face 
reminder you are in split or not. I'd love to be able to select that 
option, others may not want to but it would save my can, you betcha.

73,

Gary  KA1J
> 
>  > Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided
>  > indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to
>  > indicate is not the case.
> 
> Implicit in your statement is that the transceiver, automobile, roadway
> or whatever should make it impossible for the operator to have an
> accident.  That's not possible - there are those who can break an
> anvil.
> 
> The current design that *THREE* separate indications of split operation.
> Any *one* of those should be sufficient.  *NONE* of the proposals do
> anything to address the real question which should be how to notify the
> operator that he *should be in split*.
> 
> The problem is that the operator *is not paying attention*.  The
> correct approach would be:  every time the operator activates transmit,
> the rig display should show a message that says "you are in transceive
> (simplex) - are you sure you should not engage split?  Press XMIT to
> begin transmitting"
> 
> 73,
> 
> ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 2015-02-18 10:40 AM, David Cole wrote:
> > Dave (AB9CA),
> >
> > Given your logic, we should get rid of all street signs, and stop
> > lights, and guard rails on bridges, and roads, because the drivers are
> > just initiative, and the crutch o guard rails is not needed for them.
> >
> > Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided
> > indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to
> > indicate is not the case.
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread dave

> The only real solution is signal decoding
> that listens for "UP" and automatically engages split.

Even this won't work for those ops who rarely send UP. I listened to 
one DX last evening, TI9/xx, who went 20 min without ID'ing and 
*never* sent UP.

And . . . if you were to put decoding of UP in there . . . all the net 
ops, who send guys UP to pass traffic, will commence their complaining.

No matter how many dancing bears may be on the various displays, if 
the guy is not paying attention, he will see none of them. Simple truth.

The K3 already has 3 annunciators for SPLIT, plus the P3 has two more. 
I doubt that adding one or two more will make any difference. The 
problem is that the op is not watching what he already has.

And since non-split is the usual mode, no annunciator is needed for that.

Good UI's can aid an attentive user, but they cannot overcome the lack 
of the user paying attention to the UI, which is the issue here.

73 de dave
ab9ca/4

On 2/18/15 10:24 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

 > Providing an optional means of reinforcing split/non-split state is
 > in the tradition of design iteration -- using feedback about real
 > errors that people make, then minimizing them. That's why we're
 > having this conversation.

The problem is that you're still trying to reinforce a negative.  The
normal operation is simplex - none of the additional indicators will
do anything to reinforce to an operator set for simplex that he
*should be* split.

These indicators only work if the operator *knows he should be split*
and if he knows that the current indicators - three on the K3, two in
the P3 - are enough to let him know that split is engaged.

Even experienced operators can get distracted.  It is not the lack
of sufficient indicators that is the distraction - it is not thinking
before pressing the PTT switch and even the best can forget to look
before transmitting.

And while I'd love to add a dozen more LEDs, a klaxon horn, and a Van
de Graf generator to the K3's user interface, we have to work within
the limits of the existing hardware.

Unfortunately those are all static indications *when split is engaged*
- they still do not (and can not) tell the operator that split *should*
*be* engaged when it is not.  The only real solution is signal decoding
that listens for "UP" and automatically engages split.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV

On 2015-02-18 11:00 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

User interface design is often called upon to make up for human
failings. We get distracted, we forget, we have trouble breaking bad
habits, we easily acquire new ones. This is true no matter how much
training we have. The designer tries to take such issues into account
up front, but sometimes we find out later and make adjustments.

My cognitive science professor, Don Norman, put a heavy emphasis on
embedding knowledge "in the world." Signs and indicators need to be
as unambiguous as possible to help those of us who can't or won't pay
attention. Ideally the indications are intuitive, so users adapt to
them easily and don't feel oppressed by them. That distinction is in
play here. And while I'd love to add a dozen more LEDs, a klaxon
horn, and a Van de Graf generator to the K3's user interface, we have
to work within the limits of the existing hardware.

Providing an optional means of reinforcing split/non-split state is
in the tradition of design iteration -- using feedback about real
errors that people make, then minimizing them. That's why we're
having this conversation.

Wayne N6KR

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[Elecraft] DX Split & Link

2015-02-18 Thread qrz

Or
When chasing DX always keep Split activated and VFO's linked, that way when
you move up with VFO B for the split the DeltaF light comes on and you avoid
the embarrassing UP UP.
My two cents.
Hey maybe that was the reason for Link?
73
George
WA1NTA


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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread Mike Harris

Will that include the telepathy module so that the K3 knows when it
should be in split? Unless I've missed something it still needs the
operator to know when split is desired and initiate it.

It's all getting out of perspective. The only programming needed is
that of the operator, aka learning how to use the K3, not a big deal
surely, were are big brained animals.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 18/02/2015 12:30, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Any change we make in the way split is indicated would have to be enabled using
a menu entry. The present behavior will remain the default.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Feb 18, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Carey Magee wrote:

Hi All:

Would this be able to be set as an option in the Menu/Config Menu? I currently
am fine with split indication. If I include my logging program I currently have
4 indicators to remind me.

Thanks

73,
Carey Magee, K2RNY
Rochester New York
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On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this behavior:

- If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A is TX in
this case.)

- If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX in this
case.)

So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you need
to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning.

It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX station on
the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to get your attention.

It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire
contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A knob,
where the action is.

Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread N2TK, Tony

I can't tell you why, but I do know that I have had an issue with SPLIT more
so with the K3 then my former rigs. Deservedly so I have had the frequency
police alert me when I forgot to go split when I thought I was SPLIT. For
some reason I don't equate the yellow LED on the left side of the panel with
SPLIT. Maybe it is a mindset or an ergonomic thing?

I realize we only have one choice of color with the display, which
eliminates any possibility of using color to alert us there.
I like some of the ideas such as large visual indicators "SPLIT" where the
RCVR B frequency is displayed. Maybe that is worth a try with a beta version
to see if it helps the issue?

Maybe some kind of LED indicator by the SPLIT button? Wasn't there some
homebrew mods like this on the K2 years ago for other functions?
Maybe yellow is the wrong color where SPLIT presently is indicated? Too
close in color to the display screen? Make it green?
Maybe the symbol "delta f" next the yellow LED should really say SPLIT? 

Some rigs do not display the VFO B frequency when not in SPLIT.
Some show VFO B frequency subdued when not in SPLIT.
I like to know where the second receiver is tuned to even if not in SPLIT.

Just some thoughts. 
N2TK, Tony

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

Joe,

Just because there are three indicators for SPLIT already doesn't mean that
the problem has been solved. Even crack operators have admitted during the
past few days that they occasionally forget their split state, with
embarrassing consequences. This is proof that the indications can and should
be improved, if possible. See my previous posting.

Wayne
N6KR

On Feb 18, 2015, at 7:58 AM, "Joe Subich, W4TV"  wrote:

> 
>> please consider the addition of something on the P3 to indicate 
>> split.
> 
> It's *ALREADY THERE* - the Transmit (VFO B) cursor is *RED* when 
> split.  In addition, there is a separate (*THIRD*) red cursor showing 
> the transmit frequency when XIT is engaged.
> 
> 73,
> 
>  ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 2015-02-18 10:31 AM, David Cole wrote:
>> Wayne,
>> If the user has a P3 connected, please consider the addition of 
>> something on the P3 to indicate split.  Most of my eye action is on 
>> the
>> P3 in a pileup, not on the frequency.
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread Gary Smith

> Will that include the telepathy module so that the K3 knows when it 
> should be in split?  Unless I've missed something it still needs the 
> operator to know when split is desired and initiate it.


My YL expects me to have the telepathy module running 24/7...

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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread Anthony Simons

Now, how can we help the guy that is in split but on the wrong VFO?

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Gary Smith  wrote:

> > Will that include the telepathy module so that the K3 knows when it
> > should be in split?  Unless I've missed something it still needs the
> > operator to know when split is desired and initiate it.
>
>
> My YL expects me to have the telepathy module running 24/7...
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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread Edward R Cole


Thank you!

I need to be able to know both frequencies at a glance and not have 
to wait a minute for the transmit cycle to end in JT65.  Keeping the 
present display as default works for me (and hopefully whatever 
option you provide in the menu makes others happy).


73, Ed - KL7UW

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Any change we make in the way split is indicated would have to be 
enabled using a menu entry. The present behavior will remain the default.


73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread Dwayne Rohmer

Situation awareness is the perception of environmental elements with 
respect to time or space, the comprehension of their meaning, and the 
projection of their status after some variable has changed, such as 
time, or some other variable, such as a predetermined event. I guess we 
need more situational awareness. How we get there is up for debate. And 
we digress.


When in SPLIT, the K3 already displays the Delta f LED, The SPLIT icon, 
and the TX arrow points to the B VFO. Configuring the DELTA-F LED to 
"FLASH" may, or may not, create more awareness, it just depends on the 
operator.


I suggested CONFIG: DELTA-F LED (nor or FLASH) as a solution to those 
that need another "flag" to indicate SPLIT. If you don't want it, you 
wouldn't have to configure it.


It should not be necessary to display a message that constitutes a 
warning in a normal operating mode. Having three indicators when split 
should be enough, but we know that the size of the K3 also dictates a 
small display. That display has a lot of information on it, sometimes 
you have to look closely to see what is really going on. Maybe the P3 or 
a computer screen has become a more popular thing to look at, especially 
with DX and contesting.


Since the objective is to easily determine or verify the transmit 
frequency with SPLIT, RIT, and XIT ops, maybe a CONFIG option could 
enable the Transmit frequency (in this case, VFO B) to flash three times 
on key down, but only when operating SPLIT, RIT, and XIT.


I propose CONFIG: Tx FREQ (nor or FLASH).

The K3 will never fix an operator that doesn't know what split is, or 
when to use it. We also can't fix an operator that doesn't know how to 
use his radio. It may be helpful to have a larger indicator to help an 
experienced operator that is familiar with his radio to easily determine 
the frequency of the transmitter, and also to quickly recover from an 
unintended push of a button or other mistake.


73,

Dwayne WV5I



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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

And then, responsible people will cover up the annoying flashing LED with
tape.

Jim
W6AIM



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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on
keydown

I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a
flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant,
given this discussion.

Wayne
N6KR



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> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split?
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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

We need more Btu's to boil the ocean, to solve this major
problem..

Yea, right

Jim
W6AIM

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Fred
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 4:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on
keydown

What I'd like to see is a change to the cursors in the P3.  It would be nice
if the transmit VFO were always red.  So when not split, VFO A would be red,
when XIT on, VFO A receive would be green and the XIT offset shown in red(as
it is now). VFO B could stay magenta.  When split, VFO receive is green and
VFO B red.  

Flashing something when in split doesn't warn you when you should be in
split and are not so I agree with Eric.

Cheers,
Fred KE7X



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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on
keydown

I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a
flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant,
given this discussion.

Wayne
N6KR



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> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split?
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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

Well stated, Gary. But those who don't have a P3 could still benefit from a 
more overt split/non-split indication on the K3 itself. I'm going to try the 
method I proposed.

Wayne
N6KR

On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Gary Smith  wrote:

> It is the operator of the radio who must be in control of his 
> transmitter. When I go to a split operation I always set the K3 to do 
> that and I'm good to go. 
> 
> However what happens is I rarely make the Q right away and I I'll 
> click on another spot I need to see how that is coming in and with my 
> software, if there is a split frequency entered, the K3 will be put 
> in split as well (All is good). But, when going back to the first 
> frequency, unless I manually work the band switch to QSY to where I 
> first set up the split, clicking on a spot in the spot log will get 
> me there but if SPLIT wasn't in that info, I'll be back but not in 
> SPLIT. When I transmit I'll be dead on the DX.
> 
> If I had clicked on a spot on the same band, I may or may not have 
> had a SPLIT entered based on the info the spotter had left. So if 
> there was no SPLIT, then QSYing back to the first frequency, I'd 
> again have no SPLIT.
> 
> The problem being that I had set up a split the first time but later 
> left the frequency and going back to it, I have to check to see if 
> I'm still in split. Yes, the responsibility is mine to do so but it's 
> easy to be curious about other possible Qs and then having your 
> original settings be undone without you thinking about it.
> 
> I suspect some version of that scenario happens to most people. For 
> me, seeing the words in color on the P3 would be an in your face 
> reminder you are in split or not. I'd love to be able to select that 
> option, others may not want to but it would save my can, you betcha.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary  KA1J
>> 
>>> Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided
>>> indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to
>>> indicate is not the case.
>> 
>> Implicit in your statement is that the transceiver, automobile, roadway
>> or whatever should make it impossible for the operator to have an
>> accident.  That's not possible - there are those who can break an
>> anvil.
>> 
>> The current design that *THREE* separate indications of split operation.
>> Any *one* of those should be sufficient.  *NONE* of the proposals do
>> anything to address the real question which should be how to notify the
>> operator that he *should be in split*.
>> 
>> The problem is that the operator *is not paying attention*.  The
>> correct approach would be:  every time the operator activates transmit,
>> the rig display should show a message that says "you are in transceive
>> (simplex) - are you sure you should not engage split?  Press XMIT to
>> begin transmitting"
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>... Joe, W4TV
>> 
>> 
>> On 2015-02-18 10:40 AM, David Cole wrote:
>>> Dave (AB9CA),
>>> 
>>> Given your logic, we should get rid of all street signs, and stop
>>> lights, and guard rails on bridges, and roads, because the drivers are
>>> just initiative, and the crutch o guard rails is not needed for them.
>>> 
>>> Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided
>>> indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to
>>> indicate is not the case.
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread Mike Reublin NF4L

If I forget to put on a belt or suspenders, maybe there could be a sensor at 
the door that would staple my pants to my waist. I'm just not a fan of trying 
to make up for someones lack of attention to the job at hand. A car ad I saw on 
TV recently concluded with the statement that by virtue of all the safety 
devices on board, it wasn't necessary to devote as much attention to driving. I 
find that kind of thinking truly frightening.

Have I transmitted on the wrong VFO? Of course, and I take full blame for that. 
It's not the radio's fault.

It is of course your company, and your decision. I'm not going to stop 
vigorously supporting Elecraft.

> On Feb 18, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L  wrote:
> 
>> If it's an option, OK, but I am convinced that if an op misses the existing 
>> two indicators on the LCD display, and the Δf yellow LED, then more 
>> indicators aren't gonna help. And I am unanimous in my opinion.
> 
> :)
> 
> Well, I'm not sure I agree. Yes, there are three indicators, but they're all 
> quite small, and the delta-F LED is off to the side. These methods of 
> indicating split all seemed like a great idea at the time, but even I miss 
> them sometimes, so I'm interested in trying something else. 
> 
> My proposed "split" and "non-split" text indications might solve the "didn't 
> see the indicators" problem, because they occupy so much more area of the 
> front panel (about 20 times more). That seems to be the crux of the issue: a 
> lot of operators want something *BIG* to change stage when they transmit, and 
> that something has to indicate whether they're in split or not. 
> 
> This method also works whether you're doing "real" split (RX on VFO A, TX on 
> VFO B) or "sub-RX implied split" (TX on VFO A, RX with sub on VFO B).
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] RS232 troubles

2015-02-18 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft

You may need to use a powered hub
Many laptops do not put out enough of a level to work properly

  From: Karel Karmasin 
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:03 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 troubles

Hi there,

I have following problems with my RS232 K2 connection:
On a desktop PC with WIN7 everything working OK, all COM ports including 
USB/COM adapter running without any issue. When I am reconnected same 
USB/COM adapter with the same cable (between K2 and adapter) to the USB 
port on laptop, no communication. Of course the driver in laptop is 
installed and from the utilities and hardware control looks all OK. USB 
ports on laptop are working (checked with USB flash). All parameters on 
the COM port are the same as on desktop PC. I am on the end of my 
knowledges now, any help?

Karel, OK2FD
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Re: [Elecraft] 3 Items for Sale-ALL SOLD!!

2015-02-18 Thread Pete Meier

Thanks to all who responded. 

Pete Meier
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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread george fritkin via Elecraft

I make it easy. I use two radios.
George, W6GF 

 On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:55 AM, Wayne Burdick  
wrote:
   

 User interface design is often called upon to make up for human failings. We 
get distracted, we forget, we have trouble breaking bad habits, we easily 
acquire new ones. This is true no matter how much training we have. The 
designer tries to take such issues into account up front, but sometimes we find 
out later and make adjustments.

My cognitive science professor, Don Norman, put a heavy emphasis on embedding 
knowledge "in the world." Signs and indicators need to be as unambiguous as 
possible to help those of us who can't or won't pay attention. Ideally the 
indications are intuitive, so users adapt to them easily and don't feel 
oppressed by them. That distinction is in play here. And while I'd love to add 
a dozen more LEDs, a klaxon horn, and a Van de Graf generator to the K3's user 
interface, we have to work within the limits of the existing hardware.

Providing an optional means of reinforcing split/non-split state is in the 
tradition of design iteration -- using feedback about real errors that people 
make, then minimizing them. That's why we're having this conversation.

Wayne
N6KR




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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread Stephen Selberg

My .02
I think it's a good idea if Elecraft is willing to invest the time. I know
plenty of good operators who take the time to set split only to
accidentally bump a button that throws everything out of wack during the
rush of "a new one". Then they continue to call thinking they're in split
because they took the time to set it and ignore all the ..- .--. 'S because
in their mind, they are in split. I think having it displayed on the P3 is
an excellent idea because that is were the attention is for a lot of folks.

Also there are hams with young children who like to run into the shack and
press buttons without the operators knowledge during a bathroom break etc.
this has never happened to me Hihi.

Ultimately, yes ppl should pay attention, but if the ability is there to
help them, why not have it.

Wayne, if you build it, they will come.

73,

Steve KS6PD

On Wednesday, February 18, 2015, Dwayne Rohmer  wrote:

> Situation awareness is the perception of environmental elements with
> respect to time or space, the comprehension of their meaning, and the
> projection of their status after some variable has changed, such as time,
> or some other variable, such as a predetermined event. I guess we need more
> situational awareness. How we get there is up for debate. And we digress.
>
> When in SPLIT, the K3 already displays the Delta f LED, The SPLIT icon,
> and the TX arrow points to the B VFO. Configuring the DELTA-F LED to
> "FLASH" may, or may not, create more awareness, it just depends on the
> operator.
>
> I suggested CONFIG: DELTA-F LED (nor or FLASH) as a solution to those that
> need another "flag" to indicate SPLIT. If you don't want it, you wouldn't
> have to configure it.
>
> It should not be necessary to display a message that constitutes a warning
> in a normal operating mode. Having three indicators when split should be
> enough, but we know that the size of the K3 also dictates a small display.
> That display has a lot of information on it, sometimes you have to look
> closely to see what is really going on. Maybe the P3 or a computer screen
> has become a more popular thing to look at, especially with DX and
> contesting.
>
> Since the objective is to easily determine or verify the transmit
> frequency with SPLIT, RIT, and XIT ops, maybe a CONFIG option could enable
> the Transmit frequency (in this case, VFO B) to flash three times on key
> down, but only when operating SPLIT, RIT, and XIT.
>
> I propose CONFIG: Tx FREQ (nor or FLASH).
>
> The K3 will never fix an operator that doesn't know what split is, or when
> to use it. We also can't fix an operator that doesn't know how to use his
> radio. It may be helpful to have a larger indicator to help an experienced
> operator that is familiar with his radio to easily determine the frequency
> of the transmitter, and also to quickly recover from an unintended push of
> a button or other mistake.
>
> 73,
>
> Dwayne WV5I
>
>
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[Elecraft] Options for Split and Link

2015-02-18 Thread Dauer, Edward

Yay.  Choice is good.  Moots much of the argument.

Maybe the same could be offered for those (few, I gather) of us who like
³Link² on the sub button?  A configuration option?

Ted, KN1CBR.


>
>Message: 16
>Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:30:01 -0800
>From: Wayne Burdick 
>To: Carey Magee 
>Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT"
>   warnings
>Message-ID: 
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Any change we make in the way split is indicated would have to be enabled
>using a menu entry. The present behavior will remain the default.
>
>73,
>Wayne
>N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

I find myself in far more car accidents when driving and I take my hands off
the steering wheel to start doing Excel spreadsheets.

One needs to be "situationally aware".

Jim
W6AIM




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Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 7:17 AM
To: Wayne Burdick; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings


I dunno . . .

What we are doing is attempting to address an op who is not paying
attention. But, if the op is not paying attention, how is any of this going
to have any effect? I think it is all a waste of time and effort.

If someone is not paying attention, they are not paying attention, and the
*only* cure is for them to being paying attention to what they are doing.

I don't think the various band aids being discussed will help. The guy is
still not going to be paying attention. He is distracted by something else.

I would suggest that the time spent, which might well be wasted on this
project, be used for something more productive. The K3 is fine as it is. It
is the op that is the problem, not the K3.

73 de dave
ab9ca/4



On 2/18/15 9:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this
behavior:
>
> - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A 
> is TX in this case.)
>
> - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX 
> in this case.)
>
> So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you
need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning.
>
> The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the
change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come
on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being
retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what that would look like,
just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you key the radio.
>
> It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX
station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to
get your attention.
>
> It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire
contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A
knob, where the action is.
>
> Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

Mike Reublin NF4L wrote:

> If I forget to put on a belt or suspenders, maybe there could be a sensor at 
> the door that would staple my pants to my waist. 

Of course not. But consider two companies that make pants. One company's pants 
emit a discrete audible warning as you approach the front door if you've 
forgotten to put on a belt or suspenders. The other company's pants do not have 
this feature, resulting in giggles from passersby as your pants slip to the 
ground as you exit the building. Oh, and there's a TV van filming you from 
across the street. A crowd gathers, chanting "UP! UP!"

Assuming the difference in cost is negligible, which company's pants would you 
buy?

Another example. There's a company that makes table saws that will detect the 
presence of skin contacting the blade and immediately stop. (This is a real 
product.) Everyone else's table saw will happily amputate your finger. Which 
would you want? Suppose your son or daughter were using the saw, too? The saw 
with skin conductivity detection does cost considerably more. But OTOH, until 
this saw was invented, about half of all carpenters, as well as their immediate 
family members and pets, were missing at least one digit.

My point is that everyone, even experts, make mistakes. In some cases a simple 
change can prevent most of them, most of the time. It may be worth the trouble.

I want our radio to save our customers from embarrassment when possible. And at 
no additional charge. So, I'm going to implement the split/non-split text 
display for the next beta release. Those who don't need this feature--because 
they are well above average in awareness of state--can choose not to turn it on.

(Until then, everyone, keep your pants on.)

Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

Wayne,

You are boiling the ocean for a small issue. 

I think a better CW decoder would help on CW, some op's can't copy up or Eu,
or JA, or

Jim
W6AIM

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne
Burdick
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 9:36 AM
To: Elecraft List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

Mike Reublin NF4L wrote:

> If I forget to put on a belt or suspenders, maybe there could be a sensor
at the door that would staple my pants to my waist. 

Of course not. But consider two companies that make pants. One company's
pants emit a discrete audible warning as you approach the front door if
you've forgotten to put on a belt or suspenders. The other company's pants
do not have this feature, resulting in giggles from passersby as your pants
slip to the ground as you exit the building. Oh, and there's a TV van
filming you from across the street. A crowd gathers, chanting "UP! UP!"

Assuming the difference in cost is negligible, which company's pants would
you buy?

Another example. There's a company that makes table saws that will detect
the presence of skin contacting the blade and immediately stop. (This is a
real product.) Everyone else's table saw will happily amputate your finger.
Which would you want? Suppose your son or daughter were using the saw, too?
The saw with skin conductivity detection does cost considerably more. But
OTOH, until this saw was invented, about half of all carpenters, as well as
their immediate family members and pets, were missing at least one digit.

My point is that everyone, even experts, make mistakes. In some cases a
simple change can prevent most of them, most of the time. It may be worth
the trouble.

I want our radio to save our customers from embarrassment when possible. And
at no additional charge. So, I'm going to implement the split/non-split text
display for the next beta release. Those who don't need this
feature--because they are well above average in awareness of state--can
choose not to turn it on.

(Until then, everyone, keep your pants on.)

Wayne
N6KR



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Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

2015-02-18 Thread Pierfrancesco Caci


So long as it doesn't also mess up with the output of the FA command.
It's already bad enough that the radio stops to respond at all when you
press REV, making all the software go in hamlib timeout. 

Thanks

Pf

> "Wayne" == Wayne Burdick  writes:


Wayne> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word 
"SPLIT" during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess 
up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX.
Wayne> Wayne


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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

2015-02-18 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV

With all due respect, however..

There are two times during a contest when I can get tripped up with
SPLT or LINK or anything else that is not a firm habit or totally
rote:

STUPID -- my usual state after 24 hours with only scattered sleep,
worsened by pileups not there to keep me energized and rates gone down
and having to slog it out. Nothing fixes STUPID except 8 uninterrupted
hours of sleep and cranial transplants. No flashy, whizzy change on
the panel display will fix STUPID.

LAZY -- That's when I get on because there's nothing else to do, I'm
sleepy but can't go to sleep. More to the point, my basic attitude is
irritated, irritated at whatever. Anything that bothers me is someone
else's fault. My wife leaves me alone when I'm like that. I try not to
write emails when I'm like that. I screw up SPLT because I'm not
paying attention, because I don't want to pay attention. No flashy,
whizzy change on the panel display will fix LAZY.

DISTRACTED -- That's when there's more than one thing going on. That
would be radio plus whatever. The whatever's are around all the time,
need to scratch my b*tt, a bird flies past the window, a dog barks,
multi/multi contest and the rates are down and the other ops are
sending limericks around on the MM network. DISTRACTED is something we
all need to manage, and don't want to, see LAZY. No flashy, whizzy
change on the panel display will fix DISTRACTED.

PAYING ATTENTION is the owner's responsibility. No one else's.

SOME things would fix what seem, by the greater experience in Elecraft
owner land, to be natural born trip hazards. Like guard rails to
minimize the damage when a driver runs off the road, but the driver is
still responsible.

Could be an option to flash the delta f LED, but that is as far as I'd
go. But even then after a time people will even tune out the flashing
delta f LED. I normally do NOT perceive the flashing TX LED while I'm
operating. Flashing TX LED is normal, and my mind has tuned out
normal, looking listening for what's different, like the sound and
smell of the Sabre-Tooth Tiger, back in my cave man days.

The effect of flashy, whizzy change on the panel display will last
until the subconscious human brain figures out that flashy, whizzy
change on the panel display is NORMAL, and then the subconscious will
tune it out, so it can listen for the Sabre-Tooth Tiger.

73, Guy

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Ted Roycraft  wrote:
> Bingo!  No amount of flashing on the K3 screen is going to correct poor
> operating habits.  Nothing can substitute for good operating practices which
> become habits.   It takes 2 seconds to check the K3 status before sending.
> Make a habit.  If you don't do that, you won't see anything flashing on the
> screen either.
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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

I like this idea, at least for those with a P3. It is usually where my 
eyes are. If the P3 (and of course SVGA display) were to make the 
transmitting cursor background yellow when the K3 is in TX mode, that 
would immediately get my attention. Nothing could be clearer when 
looking at a pileup.


I am not so positive about SPLIT/NON.SPLT in the VFO displays.

On 18 Feb 2015 17:31, David Cole wrote:

Wayne,
If the user has a P3 connected, please consider the addition of
something on the P3 to indicate split.  Most of my eye action is on the
P3 in a pileup, not on the frequency.



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Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings