Re: [PSES] 50Hz Product and the EMC Directive

[Charlie Blackham]

Scott

If you read the Guide to the EMC Directive, specifically section 1.4.4 
Inherently benign equipment you will find multiple references to certain 
product categories being exempt only if they are “without active electronic 
parts or active components;”

A transistor is an active component.

So whilst you are very likely to have no EMC emissions or immunity issues, I 
would not be able to write an argument that exempts your product from the 
Directive.

You EMC assessment against Harmonised Standards does not mandate testing 
against all aspects of them, but I would imagine that at least some radiated 
and conducted emissions would be diligent.

In the absence of a product standard, the Generic Standards, EN 61000-6-x are 
the appropriate route and the ones you should assess against and list on the 
DoC.

As an aside, a Notified Body cannot state that a product is inside or outside 
the scope of the Directive as that is outside of their remit under the 
Directive and their accreditation.

Best regards
Charlie

Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247

From: Scott Douglas 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 2:35 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] 50Hz Product and the EMC Directive

Hello List Experts,

We have a product that operates at line frequency (50 or 60 Hz). It is a power 
conditioner which includes filtering, surge suppression, and extreme voltage 
shut down. It is purely analog and contains nothing more complex than 
transistors.

We believe the EU EMC Directive does not apply to the product because it does 
not operate any higher than 60 Hz and cannot generate EMI whether radiated or 
conducted.

From EU Directive 2014/30/EU, Article 2 (2 (d)):


2. This Directive shall not apply to:


(d) equipment the inherent nature of the physical characteristics of which is 
such that:


(i) it is incapable of generating or contributing to electromagnetic emissions 
which exceed a level allowing radio and telecommunication equipment and other 
equipment to operate as intended; and
(ii) it operates without unacceptable degradation in the presence of the 
electromagnetic disturbance normally consequent upon its intended use;


I am not aware of any EMI standards that cover this type of product, most 
conducted EMI starts at 9kHz or 150 kHz, and radiated EMI typically starts at 
30 MHz.

There is an inspector in an EU country that believes the EMC Directive does 
apply. Their letter makes these statements:

The EU Declaration of Conformity (DoC) is incorrect or incomplete (Article 15; 
Annex IV; etc. of EU Directive 2014/30/EU).

A conformity assessment procedure seems to be incomplete (Article 14) to 
demonstrate that the apparatus meets the essential requirements set out in 
Article 6 and Annex I of EU Directive 2014/30/EU. EU Directive 2014/30/EU is 
missing.

Our DofC does not list the EMC Directive, specifically because we think it does 
not apply. It also does not list any EMI/EMC standards as we find none that 
apply.
Is there a Harmonized Standard that would cover this type of product for the 
EMC Directive?
Is it normal to list a directive in a DofC if that directive does not apply?
How does one convince the inspector that the directive does not apply?
 Looking forward to any and all comments.
Scott


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Re: [PSES] 50Hz Product and the EMC Directive

[Ralph McDiarmid]

The phrase, “as to ensure that”, implies some testing would be needed for both 
emissions and immunity.  The directive doesn’t insist on testing, but to meet 
the “essential requirements” testing would seem the only way to reinforce a 
claim of compliance. 

Ralph McDiarmid
(Vancouver)

From: mailto:bart.de.gee...@telenet.be <mailto:bart.de.gee...@telenet.be> 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 7:00 AM
To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] 50Hz Product and the EMC Directive

Hi Scott,

The directive also states:

ANNEX I
ESSENTIAL REQUIREMENTS
1.   General requirements
Equipment shall be so designed and manufactured, having regard to the state of 
the art, as to ensure that:
(a)
the electromagnetic disturbance generated does not exceed the level above which 
radio and telecommunications equipment or other equipment cannot operate as 
intended;

(b)
it has a level of immunity to the electromagnetic disturbance to be expected in 
its intended use which allows it to operate without unacceptable degradation of 
its intended use.


⇨ Besides the ‘emission’ part of the test there is also the ‘immunity’ related 
aspect of it.  (You can do electrostatic discharge, EFT, surge and other 
tests).   (and I do not see a reason why products not containing active 
oscillators would be excluded from immunity testing). 
⇨ Although your product might not contain an active oscillator, I have seen 
products that only contained a few passive components, but where the 
manufacturer still succeeded to make an active oscillator (unwantedly) that 
exceeded the legal limits by more than 30 dB.  



Greetings,
Bart

From: Scott Douglas <mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com> 
Sent: woensdag 27 september 2023 15:35
To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] 50Hz Product and the EMC Directive

Hello List Experts,

We have a product that operates at line frequency (50 or 60 Hz). It is a power 
conditioner which includes filtering, surge suppression, and extreme voltage 
shut down. It is purely analog and contains nothing more complex than 
transistors.

We believe the EU EMC Directive does not apply to the product because it does 
not operate any higher than 60 Hz and cannot generate EMI whether radiated or 
conducted. 

>From EU Directive 2014/30/EU, Article 2 (2 (d)):

2. This Directive shall not apply to:
(d) equipment the inherent nature of the physical characteristics of which is 
such that:
(i) it is incapable of generating or contributing to electromagnetic emissions 
which exceed a level allowing radio and telecommunication equipment and other 
equipment to operate as intended; and
(ii) it operates without unacceptable degradation in the presence of the 
electromagnetic disturbance normally consequent upon its intended use;
I am not aware of any EMI standards that cover this type of product, most 
conducted EMI starts at 9kHz or 150 kHz, and radiated EMI typically starts at 
30 MHz. 

There is an inspector in an EU country that believes the EMC Directive does 
apply. Their letter makes these statements:

The EU Declaration of Conformity (DoC) is incorrect or incomplete (Article 15; 
Annex IV; etc. of EU Directive 2014/30/EU).

A conformity assessment procedure seems to be incomplete (Article 14) to 
demonstrate that the apparatus meets the essential requirements set out in 
Article 6 and Annex I of EU Directive 2014/30/EU. EU Directive 2014/30/EU is 
missing.

Our DofC does not list the EMC Directive, specifically because we think it does 
not apply. It also does not list any EMI/EMC standards as we find none that 
apply.
Is there a Harmonized Standard that would cover this type of product for the 
EMC Directive?
Is it normal to list a directive in a DofC if that directive does not apply? 
How does one convince the inspector that the directive does not apply?
 Looking forward to any and all comments.
Scott

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Re: [PSES] 50Hz Product and the EMC Directive

[Chas Grasso]

Isn't this one of the product compliance conditions that a Notified Body
can issue a judgement?
They *should* cast in your favor.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 7:35 AM Scott Douglas  wrote:

> * This message originated outside of DISH and was sent by:
> sdouglas...@gmail.com  *
> --
>
> Hello List Experts,
>
> We have a product that operates at line frequency (50 or 60 Hz). It is a
> power conditioner which includes filtering, surge suppression, and extreme
> voltage shut down. It is purely analog and contains nothing more complex
> than transistors.
>
> We believe the EU EMC Directive does not apply to the product because it
> does not operate any higher than 60 Hz and cannot generate EMI whether
> radiated or conducted.
>
> From EU Directive 2014/30/EU, Article 2 (2 (d)):
>
>
> 2. This Directive shall not apply to:
>
> (d) equipment the inherent nature of the physical characteristics of which
> is such that:
>
> (i) it is incapable of generating or contributing to electromagnetic
> emissions which exceed a level allowing radio and telecommunication
> equipment and other equipment to operate as intended; and
> (ii) it operates without unacceptable degradation in the presence of the
> electromagnetic disturbance normally consequent upon its intended use;
>
> I am not aware of any EMI standards that cover this type of product, most
> conducted EMI starts at 9kHz or 150 kHz, and radiated EMI typically starts
> at 30 MHz.
>
> There is an inspector in an EU country that believes the EMC Directive
> does apply. Their letter makes these statements:
>
> The EU Declaration of Conformity (DoC) is incorrect or incomplete (Article
> 15; Annex IV; etc. of EU Directive 2014/30/EU).
>
> A conformity assessment procedure seems to be incomplete (Article 14) to
> demonstrate that the apparatus meets the essential requirements set out in
> Article 6 and Annex I of EU Directive 2014/30/EU. EU Directive 2014/30/EU
> is missing.
>
>
> Our DofC does not list the EMC Directive, specifically because we think it
> does not apply. It also does not list any EMI/EMC standards as we find none
> that apply.
>
> Is there a Harmonized Standard that would cover this type of product for
> the EMC Directive?
>
> Is it normal to list a directive in a DofC if that directive does not
> apply?
>
> How does one convince the inspector that the directive does not apply?
>
>  Looking forward to any and all comments.
>
> Scott
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Re: [PSES] 50Hz Product and the EMC Directive

[Ralph McDiarmid]

The phrase, “as to ensure that”, implies some testing would be needed for both 
emissions and immunity.  The directive doesn’t insist on testing, but in order 
to meet the “essential requirements” testing would seem the only way to 
reinforce a claim of compliance. 

 

From: bart.de.gee...@telenet.be  
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 7:00 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] 50Hz Product and the EMC Directive

 

Hi Scott,

 

The directive also states:

 

ANNEX I

ESSENTIAL REQUIREMENTS

1.   General requirements

Equipment shall be so designed and manufactured, having regard to the state of 
the art, as to ensure that:


(a)

the electromagnetic disturbance generated does not exceed the level above which 
radio and telecommunications equipment or other equipment cannot operate as 
intended;

 


(b)

it has a level of immunity to the electromagnetic disturbance to be expected in 
its intended use which allows it to operate without unacceptable degradation of 
its intended use.

 

 

*   Besides the ‘emission’ part of the test there is also the ‘immunity’ 
related aspect of it.  (You can do electrostatic discharge, EFT, surge and 
other tests).   (and I do not see a reason why products not containing active 
oscillators would be excluded from immunity testing). 
*   Although your product might not contain an active oscillator, I have 
seen products that only contained a few passive components, but where the 
manufacturer still succeeded to make an active oscillator (unwantedly) that 
exceeded the legal limits by more than 30 dB.  

 

 

 

Greetings,

Bart

 

From: Scott Douglas mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com> > 
Sent: woensdag 27 september 2023 15:35
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: [PSES] 50Hz Product and the EMC Directive

 

Hello List Experts,

We have a product that operates at line frequency (50 or 60 Hz). It is a power 
conditioner which includes filtering, surge suppression, and extreme voltage 
shut down. It is purely analog and contains nothing more complex than 
transistors.

We believe the EU EMC Directive does not apply to the product because it does 
not operate any higher than 60 Hz and cannot generate EMI whether radiated or 
conducted. 

>From EU Directive 2014/30/EU, Article 2 (2 (d)):

 

2. This Directive shall not apply to:



(d) equipment the inherent nature of the physical characteristics of which is 
such that:



(i) it is incapable of generating or contributing to electromagnetic emissions 
which exceed a level allowing radio and telecommunication equipment and other 
equipment to operate as intended; and
(ii) it operates without unacceptable degradation in the presence of the 
electromagnetic disturbance normally consequent upon its intended use;



I am not aware of any EMI standards that cover this type of product, most 
conducted EMI starts at 9kHz or 150 kHz, and radiated EMI typically starts at 
30 MHz. 

There is an inspector in an EU country that believes the EMC Directive does 
apply. Their letter makes these statements:

The EU Declaration of Conformity (DoC) is incorrect or incomplete (Article 15; 
Annex IV; etc. of EU Directive 2014/30/EU).

A conformity assessment procedure seems to be incomplete (Article 14) to 
demonstrate that the apparatus meets the essential requirements set out in 
Article 6 and Annex I of EU Directive 2014/30/EU. EU Directive 2014/30/EU is 
missing.


Our DofC does not list the EMC Directive, specifically because we think it does 
not apply. It also does not list any EMI/EMC standards as we find none that 
apply.

Is there a Harmonized Standard that would cover this type of product for the 
EMC Directive?

Is it normal to list a directive in a DofC if that directive does not apply? 

How does one convince the inspector that the directive does not apply?

 Looking forward to any and all comments.

Scott

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Re: [PSES] 50Hz Product and the EMC Directive

[bart . de . geeter]

Hi Scott,

 

The directive also states:

 

ANNEX I

ESSENTIAL REQUIREMENTS

1.   General requirements

Equipment shall be so designed and manufactured, having regard to the state of 
the art, as to ensure that:


(a)

the electromagnetic disturbance generated does not exceed the level above which 
radio and telecommunications equipment or other equipment cannot operate as 
intended;

 


(b)

it has a level of immunity to the electromagnetic disturbance to be expected in 
its intended use which allows it to operate without unacceptable degradation of 
its intended use.

 

 

*   Besides the ‘emission’ part of the test there is also the ‘immunity’ 
related aspect of it.  (You can do electrostatic discharge, EFT, surge and 
other tests).   (and I do not see a reason why products not containing active 
oscillators would be excluded from immunity testing). 
*   Although your product might not contain an active oscillator, I have 
seen products that only contained a few passive components, but where the 
manufacturer still succeeded to make an active oscillator (unwantedly) that 
exceeded the legal limits by more than 30 dB.  

 

 

 

Greetings,

Bart

 

From: Scott Douglas  
Sent: woensdag 27 september 2023 15:35
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] 50Hz Product and the EMC Directive

 

Hello List Experts,

We have a product that operates at line frequency (50 or 60 Hz). It is a power 
conditioner which includes filtering, surge suppression, and extreme voltage 
shut down. It is purely analog and contains nothing more complex than 
transistors.

We believe the EU EMC Directive does not apply to the product because it does 
not operate any higher than 60 Hz and cannot generate EMI whether radiated or 
conducted. 

>From EU Directive 2014/30/EU, Article 2 (2 (d)):





2. This Directive shall not apply to:




(d) equipment the inherent nature of the physical characteristics of which is 
such that:




(i) it is incapable of generating or contributing to electromagnetic emissions 
which exceed a level allowing radio and telecommunication equipment and other 
equipment to operate as intended; and
(ii) it operates without unacceptable degradation in the presence of the 
electromagnetic disturbance normally consequent upon its intended use;




I am not aware of any EMI standards that cover this type of product, most 
conducted EMI starts at 9kHz or 150 kHz, and radiated EMI typically starts at 
30 MHz. 

There is an inspector in an EU country that believes the EMC Directive does 
apply. Their letter makes these statements:

The EU Declaration of Conformity (DoC) is incorrect or incomplete (Article 15; 
Annex IV; etc. of EU Directive 2014/30/EU).

A conformity assessment procedure seems to be incomplete (Article 14) to 
demonstrate that the apparatus meets the essential requirements set out in 
Article 6 and Annex I of EU Directive 2014/30/EU. EU Directive 2014/30/EU is 
missing.


Our DofC does not list the EMC Directive, specifically because we think it does 
not apply. It also does not list any EMI/EMC standards as we find none that 
apply.

Is there a Harmonized Standard that would cover this type of product for the 
EMC Directive?

Is it normal to list a directive in a DofC if that directive does not apply? 

How does one convince the inspector that the directive does not apply?

 Looking forward to any and all comments.

Scott

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[PSES] 50Hz Product and the EMC Directive

[Scott Douglas]

Hello List Experts,

We have a product that operates at line frequency (50 or 60 Hz). It is a 
power conditioner which includes filtering, surge suppression, and 
extreme voltage shut down. It is purely analog and contains nothing more 
complex than transistors.


We believe the EU EMC Directive does not apply to the product because it 
does not operate any higher than 60 Hz and cannot generate EMI whether 
radiated or conducted.


FromEU Directive 2014/30/EU, Article 2 (2 (d)):


2. This Directive shall not apply to:

(d) equipment the inherent nature of the physical characteristics of 
which is such that:


(i) it is incapable of generating or contributing to electromagnetic 
emissions which exceed a level allowing radio and telecommunication 
equipment and other equipment to operate as intended; and
(ii) it operates without unacceptable degradation in the presence of the 
electromagnetic disturbance normally consequent upon its intended use;


I am not aware of any EMI standards that cover this type of product, 
most conducted EMI starts at 9kHz or 150 kHz, and radiated EMI typically 
starts at 30 MHz.


There is an inspector in an EU country that believes the EMC Directive 
does apply. Their letter makes these statements:


The EU Declaration of Conformity (DoC) is incorrect or incomplete 
(Article 15; Annex IV; etc. of EU Directive 2014/30/EU).


A conformity assessment procedure seems to be incomplete (Article 14) to 
demonstrate that the apparatus meets the essential requirements set out 
in Article 6 and Annex I of EU Directive 2014/30/EU. EU Directive 
2014/30/EU is missing.



Our DofC does not list the EMC Directive, specifically because we think 
it does not apply. It also does not list any EMI/EMC standards as we 
find none that apply.


Is there a Harmonized Standard that would cover this type of product for 
the EMC Directive?


Is it normal to list a directive in a DofC if that directive does not 
apply?


How does one convince the inspector that the directive does not apply?

 Looking forward to any and all comments.

Scott

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Re: [PSES] EMC directive - does not apply ...

[Charlie Blackham]

Amund

My understanding is that "custom built evaluation kit" can be sold to an end 
customer - it doesn't sound like you are proposing this.

Article 17 of the EMCD requires that CE marking is affixed before it is placed 
on the market.

Article 2.3 of The Blue Guide covers your scenario which doesn't require CE 
marking:


Placing on the market is considered not to take place where a product is:

- transferred for testing or validating pre-production units considered still 
in the stage of manufacture;

Best regards
Charlie

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2014/30EU, article 2, This Directive shall not apply to:
(e) custom built evaluation kits destined for professionals to be used solely 
at research and development facilities for such purposes.


Does the statement accept that a manufacturer ship the product ( a prototype) 
to a professional partner, who will test the product within its own premises?


BR regards
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[PSES] EMC directive - does not apply ...

[Amund Westin]

 

2014/30EU, article 2, This Directive shall not apply to:

(e) custom built evaluation kits destined for professionals to be used
solely at research and development facilities for such purposes.

 

 

Does the statement accept that a manufacturer ship the product ( a
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own premises?

 

 

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Re: [PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive

[John Woodgate]

Native English speakers are involved, also costly language consultants. 
There is no excuse for bad wording but it's tolerated too much.


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On 2018-04-06 08:30, Michael Derby wrote:

Typically the Directives are written by people who don’t have English as their 
first language; and therefore their English is better than mine.

I tend to write with good and/or bad English at any time, without warning 
and/or prejudice.


Michael.



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'x and/or y' is and should be logically and grammatically represented as 'x, or 
y, or both' (note the comma is not used to separate dependent and independent 
clauses, but is a coordinating conjunctive between two independent clauses). 
The common interpretation of a logical exclusive-or conjunctive is not correct, 
as it would be 'x or y, but not both'.

The stuff here is written poorly, but seems to be correct:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And/or

Would be much simpler if we all spoke Klingon and the IEEE adopted the rituals 
of Kahless in their ethical code.

Brian

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“and/or”

Logically, a situation cannot be both “and” and “or.”  Nor can it be “and” or 
“or.”

The use of “and/or” means the authors could not decide which alternatives are 
required.  Poor use of the English language.

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Re: [PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive

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Typically the Directives are written by people who don’t have English as their 
first language; and therefore their English is better than mine.

I tend to write with good and/or bad English at any time, without warning 
and/or prejudice.


Michael.



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'x and/or y' is and should be logically and grammatically represented as 'x, or 
y, or both' (note the comma is not used to separate dependent and independent 
clauses, but is a coordinating conjunctive between two independent clauses). 
The common interpretation of a logical exclusive-or conjunctive is not correct, 
as it would be 'x or y, but not both'.

The stuff here is written poorly, but seems to be correct:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And/or

Would be much simpler if we all spoke Klingon and the IEEE adopted the rituals 
of Kahless in their ethical code.

Brian

From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 5:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive



“and/or”

Logically, a situation cannot be both “and” and “or.”  Nor can it be “and” or 
“or.”  

The use of “and/or” means the authors could not decide which alternatives are 
required.  Poor use of the English language.  

Rich
 

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Re: [PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive

[Brian O'Connell]

'x and/or y' is and should be logically and grammatically represented as 'x, or 
y, or both' (note the comma is not used to separate dependent and independent 
clauses, but is a coordinating conjunctive between two independent clauses). 
The common interpretation of a logical exclusive-or conjunctive is not correct, 
as it would be 'x or y, but not both'.

The stuff here is written poorly, but seems to be correct:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And/or

Would be much simpler if we all spoke Klingon and the IEEE adopted the rituals 
of Kahless in their ethical code.

Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 5:03 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive



“and/or”

Logically, a situation cannot be both “and” and “or.”  Nor can it be “and” or 
“or.”  

The use of “and/or” means the authors could not decide which alternatives are 
required.  Poor use of the English language.  

Rich
 

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Re: [PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive

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“and/or”

 

Logically, a situation cannot be both “and” and “or.”  Nor can it be “and” or 
“or.”  

 

The use of “and/or” means the authors could not decide which alternatives are 
required.  Poor use of the English language.  

 

Rich

  

 

 


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Re: [PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive

[John Woodgate]

It's another example of the crazy aversion to say what they really mean. 
What are we to make of 'and/or transmit'?  Does a 'receiver' transmit?  
I think not. Do they mean some sort of relay or re-broadcaster?  The 
language of a Directive may be constrained by legal considerations, but 
a Guide should be in the plainest language possible, not be cryptic.


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On 2018-04-04 21:05, Michael Derby wrote:


Hello Matthew,

Yes, I think you’re right that they mean broadcast ‘receivers’ which 
connect to cable, and not to an antenna.


Only those ‘receivers’ which are fitted with an antenna (for 
‘radiated’ reception) would be within the RED.


Thanks,

Michael.

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Thanks for the link.  I’m puzzled by this on page 61 of the guide, 
which is talking about what type of product is covered by which 
directive, EMCD or RED.


“Consequently broadcast receivers that do not intentionally receive 
and/or transmit radio waves stay under the scope of the EMC-D and do 
not move under the scope of the RED.”


A broadcast receiver that doesn’t intentionally receive?!  Huh?  What 
am I missing? Maybe they mean a set-top box without any radio 
functions exclusively connected by a network cable (e.g. Ethernet)?


Matthew Wilson,

Technical Director,

GB Electronics (UK) Ltd.

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Colleagues,

In case you missed it, the EU has finally issued a new Guide to the 
EMC Directive. Get yours for free:


https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/28323

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Re: [PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive

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Hello Matthew,

 

Yes, I think you’re right that they mean broadcast ‘receivers’ which connect to 
cable, and not to an antenna.

 

Only those ‘receivers’ which are fitted with an antenna (for ‘radiated’ 
reception) would be within the RED.

 

Thanks,

 

Michael.

 

 

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Sent: 04 April 2018 17:27
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive

 

Thanks for the link.  I’m puzzled by this on page 61 of the guide, which is 
talking about what type of product is covered by which directive, EMCD or RED.

 

“Consequently broadcast receivers that do not intentionally receive and/or 
transmit radio waves stay under the scope of the EMC-D and do not move under 
the scope of the RED.”  

 

A broadcast receiver that doesn’t intentionally receive?!  Huh?  What am I 
missing?   Maybe they mean a set-top box without any radio functions 
exclusively connected by a network cable (e.g. Ethernet)?

 

 

Matthew Wilson,

Technical Director,

GB Electronics (UK) Ltd.

 

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Subject: [PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive

 

Colleagues,

 

In case you missed it, the EU has finally issued a new Guide to the EMC 
Directive. Get yours for free:

 

https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/28323

 

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Cable box?Mike Sherman Graco Inc. Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App-- Original Message --From: Matthew WilsonTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSent: April 4, 2018 at 12:33 PMSubject: Re: [PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive




Thanks for the link.  I’m puzzled by this on page 61 of the guide, which is talking about what type of product is covered by which directive, EMCD or RED.
 
“Consequently broadcast receivers that do not intentionally receive and/or transmit radio waves stay under the scope of the EMC-D and do not move under the scope
 of the RED.”  
 
A broadcast receiver that doesn’t intentionally receive?!  Huh?  What am I missing?   Maybe they mean a set-top box without any radio functions exclusively connected
 by a network cable (e.g. Ethernet)?
 

 
Matthew Wilson,
Technical Director,
GB Electronics (UK) Ltd.

 


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Sent: 02 April 2018 19:11
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Colleagues,

 


In case you missed it, the EU has finally issued a new Guide to the EMC Directive. Get yours for free:


 


https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/28323


 



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Re: [PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive

[Matthew Wilson]

Thanks for the link.  I’m puzzled by this on page 61 of the guide, which is 
talking about what type of product is covered by which directive, EMCD or RED.

“Consequently broadcast receivers that do not intentionally receive and/or 
transmit radio waves stay under the scope of the EMC-D and do not move under 
the scope of the RED.”

A broadcast receiver that doesn’t intentionally receive?!  Huh?  What am I 
missing?   Maybe they mean a set-top box without any radio functions 
exclusively connected by a network cable (e.g. Ethernet)?


Matthew Wilson,
Technical Director,
GB Electronics (UK) Ltd.

From: Doug Nix [mailto:d...@ieee.org]
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Subject: [PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive

Colleagues,

In case you missed it, the EU has finally issued a new Guide to the EMC 
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https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/28323

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Re: [PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive

[Steve Leitner]

Hi Edgard,

We had an Easter Egg hunt for granddaughters and niece, and celebrated my Mom’s 
93rd b-day.  Had a good time.   

How about your family - did you go to Fairfield?

Any update on Oliver?  Is he still in the hospital?

Steve

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> Colleagues,
> 
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> Directive. Get yours for free:
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[PSES] New Guide to the EMC Directive

[Doug Nix]

Colleagues,

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https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/28323

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Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

[Charlie Blackham]

> But, keep in mind that the version of the standards called out in the list in 
> the OJ is version that must be used.  Not the latest, the one listed.

That's not quite correct - the version listed is the only one that provides a 
"presumption of conformity", but other standards/versions can be used. It could 
be argued that a later version better represents "state of the art", and it may 
well be that testing to a later version would allow a manufacturer to also 
"apply" the earlier version and list it on the DoC, but that would be a 
decision for the manufacturer based on knowing their product and the applicable 
standards

Regards
Charlie

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From: Ghery Pettit [mailto:n6...@comcast.net]
Sent: 04 January 2018 07:53
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Subject: Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

Your guess is as good as mine as to when the new list will be published in the 
OJ.  But, keep in mind that the version of the standards called out in the list 
in the OJ is version that must be used.  Not the latest, the one listed.  Also, 
keep in mind that dated references must be used, not necessarily the latest 
version.  This can cause a lab to have to be equipped for more than one version 
of a standard.

Ghery S. Pettit, NCE
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From: itl-emc user group [mailto:itl...@itl.co.il]
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To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

Anyone have any idea when a new list of harmonized standards for the EMC 
Directive will be published?
The last one is dated 12.08.16.
I have customers asking why testing is performed to the latest edition of 
standards while the latest edition doesn't appear in the OJ list.
e.g. EN 55014-2: 2015 whereas EN N55014-2:  1997 + A1:2007 + A2: 2008 + AC: 
1997 appear in the OJ.


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Thank you very much.

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On 2018-01-03 10:38, Dürrer Bernd wrote:
Hi John,

try

http://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/

and for EMC

https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/electromagnetic-compatibility_en

Happy new year and best regards,

Bernd



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HNY to all. I am having trouble finding the latest OJ list. I keep being 
directed to pages that no longer exist. Can anyone please help?

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[PSES] AW: [PSES] AW: [PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

[Dürrer Bernd]

Hi David,

I guess that the latest version of EN 55014-2:201 is not listed in the OJ is 
due to bureaucratic nitpicking.

If you check for this standard document on CENELEC's website, you will find 
that it has been developed under EU's mandate M/404 
(https://www.cenelec.eu/dyn/www/f?p=104:110:687843126087801FSP_ORG_ID,FSP_PROJECT,FSP_LANG_ID:1258289,55993,25).

Mandate M/404 however has been issued for the old EMC directive 2004/108/EC 
(http://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-databases/mandates/index.cfm?fuseaction=refSearch.search#).
 For the new directive 2014/30/EU the mandate M/552 has been issued in November 
2016 and CENELEC's CLC/TC 210 is working on a project to update EN 55014-2 
accordingly; scheduled publication date is 2019 
(https://www.cenelec.eu/dyn/www/f?p=104:110:687843126087801FSP_ORG_ID,FSP_PROJECT,FSP_LANG_ID:1258289,62814,25).

Updates to the OJ can be expected when standard committees publish new versions 
according to the new mandate and these publications have been accepted by the 
EU commission. Please be aware that only compliance with standards listed in 
the OJ provides presumption of conformity.

Kind regards,

Bernd



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Betreff: Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

Anyone have any idea when a new list of harmonized standards for the EMC 
Directive will be published?
The last one is dated 12.08.16.
I have customers asking why testing is performed to the latest edition of 
standards while the latest edition doesn't appear in the OJ list.
e.g. EN 55014-2: 2015 whereas EN N55014-2:  1997 + A1:2007 + A2: 2008 + AC: 
1997 appear in the OJ.


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Subject: Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

Thank you very much.
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
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Rayleigh, Essex UK
On 2018-01-03 10:38, Dürrer Bernd wrote:
Hi John,

try

http://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/

and for EMC

https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/electromagnetic-compatibility_en

Happy new year and best regards,

Bernd



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HNY to all. I am having trouble finding the latest OJ list. I keep being 
directed to pages that no longer exist. Can anyone please help?
--
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J M Woodgate and Associates http://www.woodjohn.uk
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Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

[Ghery Pettit]

Your guess is as good as mine as to when the new list will be published in
the OJ.  But, keep in mind that the version of the standards called out in
the list in the OJ is version that must be used.  Not the latest, the one
listed.  Also, keep in mind that dated references must be used, not
necessarily the latest version.  This can cause a lab to have to be equipped
for more than one version of a standard.

 

Ghery S. Pettit, NCE

Pettit EMC  Consulting LLC

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Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 10:07 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
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Anyone have any idea when a new list of harmonized standards for the EMC
Directive will be published?

The last one is dated 12.08.16.

I have customers asking why testing is performed to the latest edition of
standards while the latest edition doesn’t appear in the OJ list.

e.g. EN 55014-2: 2015 whereas EN N55014-2:  1997 + A1:2007 + A2: 2008 + AC:
1997 appear in the OJ.

 

 

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Thank you very much.

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On 2018-01-03 10:38, Dürrer Bernd wrote:

Hi John,

 

try

 

http://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-stand
ards/

 

and for EMC

 

https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-stan
dards/electromagnetic-compatibility_en

 

Happy new year and best regards,

 

Bernd

 

 

 

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HNY to all. I am having trouble finding the latest OJ list. I keep being
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Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

[itl-emc user group]

Anyone have any idea when a new list of harmonized standards for the EMC 
Directive will be published?
The last one is dated 12.08.16.
I have customers asking why testing is performed to the latest edition of 
standards while the latest edition doesn't appear in the OJ list.
e.g. EN 55014-2: 2015 whereas EN N55014-2:  1997 + A1:2007 + A2: 2008 + AC: 
1997 appear in the OJ.


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Thank you very much.

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On 2018-01-03 10:38, Dürrer Bernd wrote:
Hi John,

try

http://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/

and for EMC

https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/electromagnetic-compatibility_en

Happy new year and best regards,

Bernd



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Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

[John Woodgate]

Thank you very much.

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
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On 2018-01-03 10:38, Dürrer Bernd wrote:


Hi John,

try

http://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/

and for EMC

https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/electromagnetic-compatibility_en

Happy new year and best regards,

Bernd

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[PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

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HNY to all. I am having trouble finding the latest OJ list. I keep being 
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[PSES] EMC Directive 2014/30/EU Harmonized Standards Listing and ETSI EN 300 386 v2.1.1

[Monrad Monsen]

The last EMC Directive 2014/30/EU harmonized standards listing published in the 
Official Journal of the European Union was back on 12 August 2016.  Are there 
any indications that a new harmonized standard listing will be published in the 
next few months? 

 

The harmonized standard listing only includes ETSI EN 300 386 v1.6.1 (2012).  
However, ETSI published ETSI EN 300 386 v2.1.1 (2016) in July 2016, and the 
standard states that "date of withdrawal of any conflicting National Standard 
(dow)" is 30 September 2017.  In theory, v2.1.1 does not become a harmonized 
standard until it is published in the Official Journal, and the harmonized 
standard listing could actually give a different DOW than what the standard was 
published with.  So . I am interested in Europe's plans on when they might 
publish a new harmonized standard list in the Official Journal.

 

Thanks.

 

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Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

[John Woodgate]

It depends on whether Britain joins EFTA or not. If it does, all EU
Directives will probably continue to be adopted. In any case, most exports
will still have to meet the relevant EMC standards, and if the Directive
didn't apply within Britain, imported horrible emitters could not be
controlled.

It's 'islands', please, over 1000 of them.

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I suppose that after the recent developments on "The Island"
 it won't be brought into UK law anymore

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The old EMC Directive 2002/108/EC was brought into UK law by the Statutory
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Hi

The old EMC Directive 2002/108/EC was brought into UK law by the Statutory 
Instruments (SI) 2006 No. 3418. As of the 16 April the New EMC Directive 
2014/30/EU replaced 2002/108/EC. However, I can find no reference for a new SI 
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Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

[Charlie Blackham]

John

Do you know where that’s stated, as I haven’t seen that anywhere?

Regards
Charlie

From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com]
Sent: 20 June 2016 17:38
To: Charlie Blackham; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

Re: As the Directive has been transposed into national legislation in at least 
one member state, e.g. Ireland S.I. 
No.145/2016<http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2016/si/145/made/en/print>, it 
is considered to be implemented across the EU for the purpose of declaring 
compliance against it.

That was what the UK government lawyers said, but the Commission denied it, and 
said that a Directive isn't valid until all members states have transposed it. 
I haven't seen any withdrawal of that ruling.


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Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

Scott

As the Directive has been transposed into national legislation in at least one 
member state, e.g. Ireland S.I. 
No.145/2016<http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2016/si/145/made/en/print>, it 
is considered to be implemented across the EU for the purpose of declaring 
compliance against it.

I would say that the intent is clear, and that all DoCs should be against the 
new Directive – I would imagine that a country is going to have a hard time 
attempting any market enforcement on the basis that they have been too slow in 
implementing required legislation…..

Regards
Charlie


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Sent: 19 June 2016 04:46
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Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

Does it mean the products entering into UK are still legal for the compliance 
with old EMCD only?  Until they update the law, the new EMCD is not effective 
in the UK or other EU countries who have not updated their law yet.  For 
regulations, it is not required to update their local law since they are EU 
laws?

Scott


From: Charlie Blackham 
<char...@sulisconsultants.com<mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com>>
Reply-To: Charlie Blackham 
<char...@sulisconsultants.com<mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com>>
Date: Friday, 17 June 2016 at 7:49 PM
To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>>
Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

Andy

The short answers are:
> Will a new SI be enacted?
Yes it should be – the Directive is an instruction to do so
>If so when?
Not sure anyone knows

As I understand it, the current (SI) 2006 No. 3418 remains in force in UK law 
until revoked by a new one.

According to minutes of recent EUANB meeting, “Some countries have not yet 
transposed the Directive into national law.”, which suggests that at least one 
has, which is all that is needed in any case.

Regards
Charlie


From: McCallum, Andy [mailto:andy.mccal...@mottmac.com]
Sent: 17 June 2016 11:29
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

Hi

The old EMC Directive 2002/108/EC was brought into UK law by the Statutory 
Instruments (SI) 2006 No. 3418. As of the 16 April the New EMC Directive 
2014/30/EU replaced 2002/108/EC. However, I can find no reference for a new SI 
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Will a new SI be enacted? If so when?

Regards

Andy


Andy McCallum

BEng (Hons), MIET, CEng



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[PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

[Amund Westin]

National legislation in Norway 

https://lovdata.no/dokument/SF/forskrift/2016-04-15-378

 

 

#Amund

 

 

Fra: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] 
Sendt: 20. juni 2016 18:38
Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Emne: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

 

Re: As the Directive has been transposed into national legislation in at least 
one member state, e.g. Ireland S.I. No.145/2016 
<http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2016/si/145/made/en/print> , it is 
considered to be implemented across the EU for the purpose of declaring 
compliance against it.

 

That was what the UK government lawyers said, but the Commission denied it, and 
said that a Directive isn't valid until all members states have transposed it. 
I haven't seen any withdrawal of that ruling.

 

 

With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only

 <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and 
Associates Rayleigh England

 

From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 5:09 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

 

Scott

 

As the Directive has been transposed into national legislation in at least one 
member state, e.g. Ireland S.I. No.145/2016 
<http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2016/si/145/made/en/print> , it is 
considered to be implemented across the EU for the purpose of declaring 
compliance against it.

 

I would say that the intent is clear, and that all DoCs should be against the 
new Directive – I would imagine that a country is going to have a hard time 
attempting any market enforcement on the basis that they have been too slow in 
implementing required legislation…..

 

Regards

Charlie

 

 

From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 19 June 2016 04:46
To: Charlie Blackham; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

 

Does it mean the products entering into UK are still legal for the compliance 
with old EMCD only?  Until they update the law, the new EMCD is not effective 
in the UK or other EU countries who have not updated their law yet.  For 
regulations, it is not required to update their local law since they are EU 
laws?

 

Scott

 

 

From: Charlie Blackham <char...@sulisconsultants.com 
<mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com> >
Reply-To: Charlie Blackham <char...@sulisconsultants.com 
<mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com> >
Date: Friday, 17 June 2016 at 7:49 PM
To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> >
Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

 

Andy

 

The short answers are:

> Will a new SI be enacted? 

Yes it should be – the Directive is an instruction to do so

>If so when?

Not sure anyone knows

 

As I understand it, the current (SI) 2006 No. 3418 remains in force in UK law 
until revoked by a new one.

 

According to minutes of recent EUANB meeting, “Some countries have not yet 
transposed the Directive into national law.”, which suggests that at least one 
has, which is all that is needed in any case.

 

Regards

Charlie

 

 

From: McCallum, Andy [mailto:andy.mccal...@mottmac.com] 
Sent: 17 June 2016 11:29
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

 

Hi

 

The old EMC Directive 2002/108/EC was brought into UK law by the Statutory 
Instruments (SI) 2006 No. 3418. As of the 16 April the New EMC Directive 
2014/30/EU replaced 2002/108/EC. However, I can find no reference for a new SI 
bringing in the new directive. 

 

Will a new SI be enacted? If so when?

 

Regards

 

Andy

 

 


Andy McCallum


BEng (Hons), MIET, CEng

 


Senior EMC Engineer


   

 

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Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

[John Woodgate]

Re: As the Directive has been transposed into national legislation in at least 
one member state, e.g. Ireland S.I. No.145/2016 
<http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2016/si/145/made/en/print> , it is 
considered to be implemented across the EU for the purpose of declaring 
compliance against it.
 
That was what the UK government lawyers said, but the Commission denied it, and 
said that a Directive isn't valid until all members states have transposed it. 
I haven't seen any withdrawal of that ruling.
 
 
With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only
 <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and 
Associates Rayleigh England
 
From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 5:09 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU
 
Scott
 
As the Directive has been transposed into national legislation in at least one 
member state, e.g. Ireland S.I. No.145/2016 
<http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2016/si/145/made/en/print> , it is 
considered to be implemented across the EU for the purpose of declaring 
compliance against it.
 
I would say that the intent is clear, and that all DoCs should be against the 
new Directive – I would imagine that a country is going to have a hard time 
attempting any market enforcement on the basis that they have been too slow in 
implementing required legislation…..
 
Regards
Charlie
 
 
From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 19 June 2016 04:46
To: Charlie Blackham; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU
 
Does it mean the products entering into UK are still legal for the compliance 
with old EMCD only?  Until they update the law, the new EMCD is not effective 
in the UK or other EU countries who have not updated their law yet.  For 
regulations, it is not required to update their local law since they are EU 
laws?
 
Scott
 
 
From: Charlie Blackham <char...@sulisconsultants.com 
<mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com> >
Reply-To: Charlie Blackham <char...@sulisconsultants.com 
<mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com> >
Date: Friday, 17 June 2016 at 7:49 PM
To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> >
Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU
 
Andy
 
The short answers are:
> Will a new SI be enacted? 
Yes it should be – the Directive is an instruction to do so
>If so when?
Not sure anyone knows
 
As I understand it, the current (SI) 2006 No. 3418 remains in force in UK law 
until revoked by a new one.
 
According to minutes of recent EUANB meeting, “Some countries have not yet 
transposed the Directive into national law.”, which suggests that at least one 
has, which is all that is needed in any case.
 
Regards
Charlie
 
 
From: McCallum, Andy [mailto:andy.mccal...@mottmac.com] 
Sent: 17 June 2016 11:29
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU
 
Hi
 
The old EMC Directive 2002/108/EC was brought into UK law by the Statutory 
Instruments (SI) 2006 No. 3418. As of the 16 April the New EMC Directive 
2014/30/EU replaced 2002/108/EC. However, I can find no reference for a new SI 
bringing in the new directive. 
 
Will a new SI be enacted? If so when?
 
Regards
 
Andy
 
 

Andy McCallum

BEng (Hons), MIET, CEng
 

Senior EMC Engineer

   
 
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Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

[Charlie Blackham]

Scott

As the Directive has been transposed into national legislation in at least one 
member state, e.g. Ireland S.I. 
No.145/2016<http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2016/si/145/made/en/print>, it 
is considered to be implemented across the EU for the purpose of declaring 
compliance against it.

I would say that the intent is clear, and that all DoCs should be against the 
new Directive – I would imagine that a country is going to have a hard time 
attempting any market enforcement on the basis that they have been too slow in 
implementing required legislation…..

Regards
Charlie


From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com]
Sent: 19 June 2016 04:46
To: Charlie Blackham; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

Does it mean the products entering into UK are still legal for the compliance 
with old EMCD only?  Until they update the law, the new EMCD is not effective 
in the UK or other EU countries who have not updated their law yet.  For 
regulations, it is not required to update their local law since they are EU 
laws?

Scott


From: Charlie Blackham 
<char...@sulisconsultants.com<mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com>>
Reply-To: Charlie Blackham 
<char...@sulisconsultants.com<mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com>>
Date: Friday, 17 June 2016 at 7:49 PM
To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>>
Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

Andy

The short answers are:
> Will a new SI be enacted?
Yes it should be – the Directive is an instruction to do so
>If so when?
Not sure anyone knows

As I understand it, the current (SI) 2006 No. 3418 remains in force in UK law 
until revoked by a new one.

According to minutes of recent EUANB meeting, “Some countries have not yet 
transposed the Directive into national law.”, which suggests that at least one 
has, which is all that is needed in any case.

Regards
Charlie


From: McCallum, Andy [mailto:andy.mccal...@mottmac.com]
Sent: 17 June 2016 11:29
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

Hi

The old EMC Directive 2002/108/EC was brought into UK law by the Statutory 
Instruments (SI) 2006 No. 3418. As of the 16 April the New EMC Directive 
2014/30/EU replaced 2002/108/EC. However, I can find no reference for a new SI 
bringing in the new directive.

Will a new SI be enacted? If so when?

Regards

Andy


Andy McCallum

BEng (Hons), MIET, CEng



Senior EMC Engineer




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Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

[Scott Xe]

Does it mean the products entering into UK are still legal for the compliance 
with old EMCD only?  Until they update the law, the new EMCD is not effective 
in the UK or other EU countries who have not updated their law yet.  For 
regulations, it is not required to update their local law since they are EU 
laws?

 

Scott

 

 

From: Charlie Blackham <char...@sulisconsultants.com>
Reply-To: Charlie Blackham <char...@sulisconsultants.com>
Date: Friday, 17 June 2016 at 7:49 PM
To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

 

Andy

 

The short answers are:

> Will a new SI be enacted? 

Yes it should be – the Directive is an instruction to do so

>If so when?

Not sure anyone knows

 

As I understand it, the current (SI) 2006 No. 3418 remains in force in UK law 
until revoked by a new one.

 

According to minutes of recent EUANB meeting, “Some countries have not yet 
transposed the Directive into national law.”, which suggests that at least one 
has, which is all that is needed in any case.

 

Regards

Charlie

 

 

From: McCallum, Andy [mailto:andy.mccal...@mottmac.com] 
Sent: 17 June 2016 11:29
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

 

Hi

 

The old EMC Directive 2002/108/EC was brought into UK law by the Statutory 
Instruments (SI) 2006 No. 3418. As of the 16 April the New EMC Directive 
2014/30/EU replaced 2002/108/EC. However, I can find no reference for a new SI 
bringing in the new directive. 

 

Will a new SI be enacted? If so when?

 

Regards

 

Andy

 

 

Andy McCallum
BEng (Hons), MIET, CEng 
Senior EMC Engineer
   

 

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Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

[Charlie Blackham]

Andy

The short answers are:
> Will a new SI be enacted?
Yes it should be - the Directive is an instruction to do so
>If so when?
Not sure anyone knows

As I understand it, the current (SI) 2006 No. 3418 remains in force in UK law 
until revoked by a new one.

According to minutes of recent EUANB meeting, "Some countries have not yet 
transposed the Directive into national law.", which suggests that at least one 
has, which is all that is needed in any case.

Regards
Charlie


From: McCallum, Andy [mailto:andy.mccal...@mottmac.com]
Sent: 17 June 2016 11:29
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

Hi

The old EMC Directive 2002/108/EC was brought into UK law by the Statutory 
Instruments (SI) 2006 No. 3418. As of the 16 April the New EMC Directive 
2014/30/EU replaced 2002/108/EC. However, I can find no reference for a new SI 
bringing in the new directive.

Will a new SI be enacted? If so when?

Regards

Andy


Andy McCallum

BEng (Hons), MIET, CEng



Senior EMC Engineer




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[PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU

[McCallum, Andy]

Hi

The old EMC Directive 2002/108/EC was brought into UK law by the Statutory 
Instruments (SI) 2006 No. 3418. As of the 16 April the New EMC Directive 
2014/30/EU replaced 2002/108/EC. However, I can find no reference for a new SI 
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Will a new SI be enacted? If so when?

Regards

Andy


Andy McCallum

BEng (Hons), MIET, CEng



Senior EMC Engineer





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Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU LV Directive 2014/35/EU

[Scott Xe]

Hi Charlie,

Thanks a million to your detail analysis!

As regards to 3. quality system in Annex IV of 2014/53/EU, is it referred to 
ISO 9001 quality system management?  I did not find any reference in current 
compliant reports of RTTED 99/5/EC.  Is it a new requirement for RED?  Would 
it  cause a higher level of compliance?

Scott


 On 24 Aug, 2015, at 4:31 am, Charlie Blackham char...@sulisconsultants.com 
 mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com wrote:
 
 Scott
  
 There are four scenarios for equipment within scope of RTTE and/or RED, and 
 the various transition periods have been clarified by the European Commission:
  
 1. PRODUCTS WITHIN OLD LVD/EMCD AND CONTINUE TO BE WITHIN NEW LVD/EMCD (EVEN 
 AFTER APPLICABILITY OF RED)
  
 -Products placed on market before 20 April 2016: old LVD/EMCD
 -Products placed on market on or after 20 April 2016: new LVD/EMCD
 2. PRODUCTS WITHIN RTTED AND REMAIN WITHIN THE SCOPE OF RED
  
 -Products placed on market before 13 June 2016: RTTED
 -Products placed on market between 13 June 2016 and 12 June 2017: RTTED or 
 RED
 -Products placed on market after 12 June 2017: RED
  
 3. PRODUCTS WITHIN OLD/NEW LVD/EMCD BUT THEN FALL WITHIN RED (AFTER 
 APPLICABILITY OF RED)-FOR EXAMPLE TELEVISION AND SOUND BROADCASTING RECEIVERS
  
 -Products placed on market before 20 April 2016: old LVD/EMCD
 -Products placed on market between 20 April 2016 and 12 June 2016 : new 
 LVD/EMCD
 -Products placed on market between 13 June 2016 and 12 June 2017: RED or new 
 LVD/EMCD
 -Products placed on market after 12 June 2017: RED
  
 4. PRODUCTS WITHIN RTTED AND THEN OUTSIDE RED-FOR EXAMPLE TERMINAL EQUIPMENT
 -Products placed on market before 13 June 2016: RTTED
 -Products placed on market after 12 June 2016: RED is not applicable; new 
 LVD/EMCD, if applicable to the product in question
  
  
 The last scenario is the “nasty” one – there is a transition period written 
 into RED, but not into EMC or LVD, so equipment that is currently RTTE, but 
 not RED has to, in theory, comply with EMC/LVD “overnight”
  
 Regards
 Charlie
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com mailto:scott...@gmail.com] 
 Sent: 22 August 2015 00:41
 To: Charlie Blackham
 Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
 Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU  LV Directive 2014/35/EU
  
 Hi Charlie,
  
 Thanks for sharing the temporary solution.  For the products that compliant 
 with current directives, are they just updated the DoC to comply with the new 
 ones?
  
 What about the RED replacing RTTE?  This one cannot be simply updated the 
 DoC since all the receivers will fall into RED but not current RTTE.  The 
 receivers have to be re-tested to the new directive.  The new directive does 
 not publish the homogenised standards yet for the 3rd party laboratories to 
 follow.  Thus they cannot test to the new directive as of today.
  
 Regards,
  
 Scott
  
  On 22 Aug, 2015, at 1:12 am, Charlie Blackham char...@sulisconsultants.com 
  mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com wrote:
 
  Scott
 
  Test labs should test to standards.
  Manufacturers declare to compliance to Directives.
  The two beams should not cross :)
 
  You won't get anything officially, but unofficially the EU MSAs and 
  enforcement agencies should take a pragmatic stance regarding DoCs and not 
  be too concerned whether existing or new Directives are being referenced 
  for several months after the 20 April. *
 
  (* This was stated verbally by a representative of the UK Department for 
  Business Innovation and Skills at UK seminar earlier this year)
 
  Regards
  Charlie
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com mailto:scott...@gmail.com]
  Sent: 21 August 2015 16:53
  To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
  Subject: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU  LV Directive 2014/35/EU
 
  Hi All,
 
  The captioned directives will be enforced on 20 April 2016 with no 
  transition period.  As of today, no accredited laboratories accept the 
  compliance verification to those directive until 20 April 2016.  They claim 
  they cannot test to those directives until 20 April 2016 as per the 
  directive.  It is impossible in the industry to prepare for any compliant 
  products to be put on the market on 20 April 2016.  Since there is no any 
  technical changes, can we just update the DoC using the compliant report of 
  old directives.  Or any other idea/original idea of these new directives to 
  allow the compliant product putting on the market in good order.
 
  Thanks and regards,
 
  Scott
 
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Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU LV Directive 2014/35/EU

[Michael Derby]

Hi Scott,

 

Annex IV of 2014/53/EC is similar to Annex V of 1999/5/EC.

 

It’s an alternative compliance route, not necessarily a test report issue.

 

Michael.

 

 

From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 24 August 2015 14:59
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU  LV Directive 2014/35/EU

 

Hi Charlie,

 

Thanks a million to your detail analysis!

 

As regards to 3. quality system in Annex IV of 2014/53/EU, is it referred to 
ISO 9001 quality system management?  I did not find any reference in current 
compliant reports of RTTED 99/5/EC.  Is it a new requirement for RED?  Would 
it  cause a higher level of compliance?

 

Scott

 

 

On 24 Aug, 2015, at 4:31 am, Charlie Blackham char...@sulisconsultants.com 
mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com  wrote:

 

Scott

 

There are four scenarios for equipment within scope of RTTE and/or RED, and 
the various transition periods have been clarified by the European Commission:

 

1. PRODUCTS WITHIN OLD LVD/EMCD AND CONTINUE TO BE WITHIN NEW LVD/EMCD (EVEN 
AFTER APPLICABILITY OF RED)

 

-Products placed on market before 20 April 2016: old LVD/EMCD 

-Products placed on market on or after 20 April 2016: new LVD/EMCD

2. PRODUCTS WITHIN RTTED AND REMAIN WITHIN THE SCOPE OF RED

 

-Products placed on market before 13 June 2016: RTTED 

-Products placed on market between 13 June 2016 and 12 June 2017: RTTED or RED

-Products placed on market after 12 June 2017: RED

 

3. PRODUCTS WITHIN OLD/NEW LVD/EMCD BUT THEN FALL WITHIN RED (AFTER 
APPLICABILITY OF RED)-FOR EXAMPLE TELEVISION AND SOUND BROADCASTING RECEIVERS

 

-Products placed on market before 20 April 2016: old LVD/EMCD 

-Products placed on market between 20 April 2016 and 12 June 2016 : new LVD/EMCD

-Products placed on market between 13 June 2016 and 12 June 2017: RED or new 
LVD/EMCD 

-Products placed on market after 12 June 2017: RED

 

4. PRODUCTS WITHIN RTTED AND THEN OUTSIDE RED-FOR EXAMPLE TERMINAL EQUIPMENT 

-Products placed on market before 13 June 2016: RTTED 

-Products placed on market after 12 June 2016: RED is not applicable; new 
LVD/EMCD, if applicable to the product in question

 

 

The last scenario is the “nasty” one – there is a transition period written 
into RED, but not into EMC or LVD, so equipment that is currently RTTE, but 
not RED has to, in theory, comply with EMC/LVD “overnight”

 

Regards

Charlie

 

-Original Message-
From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 22 August 2015 00:41
To: Charlie Blackham
Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU  LV Directive 2014/35/EU

 

Hi Charlie,

 

Thanks for sharing the temporary solution.  For the products that compliant 
with current directives, are they just updated the DoC to comply with the new 
ones?

 

What about the RED replacing RTTE?  This one cannot be simply updated the DoC 
since all the receivers will fall into RED but not current RTTE.  The 
receivers have to be re-tested to the new directive.  The new directive does 
not publish the homogenised standards yet for the 3rd party laboratories to 
follow.  Thus they cannot test to the new directive as of today.

 

Regards,

 

Scott

 

 On 22 Aug, 2015, at 1:12 am, Charlie Blackham  
 mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com char...@sulisconsultants.com wrote:

 

 Scott

 

 Test labs should test to standards.

 Manufacturers declare to compliance to Directives.

 The two beams should not cross :)

 

 You won't get anything officially, but unofficially the EU MSAs and 
 enforcement agencies should take a pragmatic stance regarding DoCs and not be 
 too concerned whether existing or new Directives are being referenced for 
 several months after the 20 April. *

 

 (* This was stated verbally by a representative of the UK Department for 
 Business Innovation and Skills at UK seminar earlier this year)

 

 Regards

 Charlie

 

 -Original Message-

 From: Scott Xe [ mailto:scott...@gmail.com mailto:scott...@gmail.com] 

 Sent: 21 August 2015 16:53

 To:  mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG

 Subject: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU  LV Directive 2014/35/EU

 

 Hi All,

 

 The captioned directives will be enforced on 20 April 2016 with no transition 
 period.  As of today, no accredited laboratories accept the compliance 
 verification to those directive until 20 April 2016.  They claim they cannot 
 test to those directives until 20 April 2016 as per the directive.  It is 
 impossible in the industry to prepare for any compliant products to be put on 
 the market on 20 April 2016.  Since there is no any technical changes, can we 
 just update the DoC using the compliant report of old directives.  Or any 
 other idea/original idea of these new directives to allow the compliant 
 product putting on the market in good order.

 

 Thanks and regards,

 

 Scott

Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU LV Directive 2014/35/EU

[John Woodgate]

In message 8fe0b56b86c54b74ba5b760e33552...@thhste15d1be4.hs20.net, 
dated Sun, 23 Aug 2015, Charlie Blackham char...@sulisconsultants.com 
writes:


The last scenario is the ?nasty? one ? there is a transition period 
written into RED, but not into EMC or LVD, so equipment that is 
currently RTTE, but not RED has to, in theory, comply with EMC/LVD 
?overnight?


It's not the only nasty one. The absence of a low-frequency bound in the 
RED means that some products become subject to **as-yet non-existent 
emission and immunity requirements** from June next year, not June 2017.


Not only are there no requirements, there are no established test 
methods.

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Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU LV Directive 2014/35/EU

[Charlie Blackham]

Scott



There are four scenarios for equipment within scope of RTTE and/or RED, and 
the various transition periods have been clarified by the European Commission:


1. PRODUCTS WITHIN OLD LVD/EMCD AND CONTINUE TO BE WITHIN NEW LVD/EMCD (EVEN 
AFTER APPLICABILITY OF RED)

-Products placed on market before 20 April 2016: old LVD/EMCD
-Products placed on market on or after 20 April 2016: new LVD/EMCD
2. PRODUCTS WITHIN RTTED AND REMAIN WITHIN THE SCOPE OF RED

-Products placed on market before 13 June 2016: RTTED
-Products placed on market between 13 June 2016 and 12 June 2017: RTTED or RED
-Products placed on market after 12 June 2017: RED

3. PRODUCTS WITHIN OLD/NEW LVD/EMCD BUT THEN FALL WITHIN RED (AFTER 
APPLICABILITY OF RED)-FOR EXAMPLE TELEVISION AND SOUND BROADCASTING RECEIVERS

-Products placed on market before 20 April 2016: old LVD/EMCD
-Products placed on market between 20 April 2016 and 12 June 2016 : new LVD/EMCD
-Products placed on market between 13 June 2016 and 12 June 2017: RED or new 
LVD/EMCD
-Products placed on market after 12 June 2017: RED

4. PRODUCTS WITHIN RTTED AND THEN OUTSIDE RED-FOR EXAMPLE TERMINAL EQUIPMENT
-Products placed on market before 13 June 2016: RTTED
-Products placed on market after 12 June 2016: RED is not applicable; new 
LVD/EMCD, if applicable to the product in question





The last scenario is the nasty one - there is a transition period written 
into RED, but not into EMC or LVD, so equipment that is currently RTTE, but 
not RED has to, in theory, comply with EMC/LVD overnight



Regards

Charlie



-Original Message-
From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com]
Sent: 22 August 2015 00:41
To: Charlie Blackham
Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU  LV Directive 2014/35/EU



Hi Charlie,



Thanks for sharing the temporary solution.  For the products that compliant 
with current directives, are they just updated the DoC to comply with the new 
ones?



What about the RED replacing RTTE?  This one cannot be simply updated the DoC 
since all the receivers will fall into RED but not current RTTE.  The 
receivers have to be re-tested to the new directive.  The new directive does 
not publish the homogenised standards yet for the 3rd party laboratories to 
follow.  Thus they cannot test to the new directive as of today.



Regards,



Scott



 On 22 Aug, 2015, at 1:12 am, Charlie Blackham 
 char...@sulisconsultants.commailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com wrote:



 Scott



 Test labs should test to standards.

 Manufacturers declare to compliance to Directives.

 The two beams should not cross :)



 You won't get anything officially, but unofficially the EU MSAs and 
 enforcement agencies should take a pragmatic stance regarding DoCs and not be 
 too concerned whether existing or new Directives are being referenced for 
 several months after the 20 April. *



 (* This was stated verbally by a representative of the UK Department for 
 Business Innovation and Skills at UK seminar earlier this year)



 Regards

 Charlie



 -Original Message-

 From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com]

 Sent: 21 August 2015 16:53

 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG

 Subject: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU  LV Directive 2014/35/EU



 Hi All,



 The captioned directives will be enforced on 20 April 2016 with no transition 
 period.  As of today, no accredited laboratories accept the compliance 
 verification to those directive until 20 April 2016.  They claim they cannot 
 test to those directives until 20 April 2016 as per the directive.  It is 
 impossible in the industry to prepare for any compliant products to be put on 
 the market on 20 April 2016.  Since there is no any technical changes, can we 
 just update the DoC using the compliant report of old directives.  Or any 
 other idea/original idea of these new directives to allow the compliant 
 product putting on the market in good order.



 Thanks and regards,



 Scott



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Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU LV Directive 2014/35/EU

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In message 7b2a2bea1ed34fe39a16271030b46...@thhste15d1be4.hs20.net, 
dated Sun, 23 Aug 2015, Charlie Blackham char...@sulisconsultants.com 
writes:


The RED is not mandatory for anything within its scope until 12 June 
2017 ? Low Frequency banded equipment is covered by the same transition 
period as other non-RTTE equipment such as TVs.



Well, we were told that the 2017 date does not apply to products that 
were not subject to any requirements under the EMCD in the frequency 
range below 9 kHz. It can be argued that 'conformity' cannot apply to 
such products, as there was (and is) nothing to conform to.


Or something like that. Mutatis mutandis, or perhaps even obiter. (;-)
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Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU LV Directive 2014/35/EU

[Charlie Blackham]

The RED is not mandatory for anything within its scope until 12 June 2017 - Low 
Frequency banded equipment is covered by the same transition period as other 
non-RTTE equipment such as TVs.



This is contained in article 48:



Article 48

Transitional provisions

Member States shall not impede, for the aspects covered by this Directive, the 
making available on the market or putting into service of radio equipment 
covered by this Directive which is in conformity with the relevant Union 
harmonisation legislation applicable before 13 June 2016 and which was placed 
on the market before 13 June 2017.



Regards

Charlie



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dated Sun, 23 Aug 2015, Charlie Blackham 
char...@sulisconsultants.commailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com

writes:



The last scenario is the ?nasty? one ? there is a transition period

written into RED, but not into EMC or LVD, so equipment that is

currently RTTE, but not RED has to, in theory, comply with EMC/LVD

?overnight?



It's not the only nasty one. The absence of a low-frequency bound in the RED 
means that some products become subject to **as-yet non-existent emission and 
immunity requirements** from June next year, not June 2017.



Not only are there no requirements, there are no established test methods.

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[PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU LV Directive 2014/35/EU

[Scott Xe]

Hi All,

The captioned directives will be enforced on 20 April 2016 with no transition 
period.  As of today, no accredited laboratories accept the compliance 
verification to those directive until 20 April 2016.  They claim they cannot 
test to those directives until 20 April 2016 as per the directive.  It is 
impossible in the industry to prepare for any compliant products to be put on 
the market on 20 April 2016.  Since there is no any technical changes, can we 
just update the DoC using the compliant report of old directives.  Or any other 
idea/original idea of these new directives to allow the compliant product 
putting on the market in good order.

Thanks and regards,

Scott

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Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU LV Directive 2014/35/EU

[Charlie Blackham]

Scott

Test labs should test to standards.
Manufacturers declare to compliance to Directives.
The two beams should not cross :)

You won't get anything officially, but unofficially the EU MSAs and enforcement 
agencies should take a pragmatic stance regarding DoCs and not be too concerned 
whether existing or new Directives are being referenced for several months 
after the 20 April. *

(* This was stated verbally by a representative of the UK Department for 
Business Innovation and Skills at UK seminar earlier this year)

Regards
Charlie

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Sent: 21 August 2015 16:53
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU  LV Directive 2014/35/EU

Hi All,

The captioned directives will be enforced on 20 April 2016 with no transition 
period.  As of today, no accredited laboratories accept the compliance 
verification to those directive until 20 April 2016.  They claim they cannot 
test to those directives until 20 April 2016 as per the directive.  It is 
impossible in the industry to prepare for any compliant products to be put on 
the market on 20 April 2016.  Since there is no any technical changes, can we 
just update the DoC using the compliant report of old directives.  Or any other 
idea/original idea of these new directives to allow the compliant product 
putting on the market in good order.

Thanks and regards,

Scott

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Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU LV Directive 2014/35/EU

[Scott Xe]

Hi Charlie,

Thanks for sharing the temporary solution.  For the products that compliant 
with current directives, are they just updated the DoC to comply with the new 
ones?

What about the RED replacing RTTE?  This one cannot be simply updated the DoC 
since all the receivers will fall into RED but not current RTTE.  The 
receivers have to be re-tested to the new directive.  The new directive does 
not publish the homogenised standards yet for the 3rd party laboratories to 
follow.  Thus they cannot test to the new directive as of today.

Regards,

Scott

 On 22 Aug, 2015, at 1:12 am, Charlie Blackham char...@sulisconsultants.com 
 wrote:
 
 Scott
 
 Test labs should test to standards.
 Manufacturers declare to compliance to Directives.
 The two beams should not cross :)
 
 You won't get anything officially, but unofficially the EU MSAs and 
 enforcement agencies should take a pragmatic stance regarding DoCs and not be 
 too concerned whether existing or new Directives are being referenced for 
 several months after the 20 April. *
 
 (* This was stated verbally by a representative of the UK Department for 
 Business Innovation and Skills at UK seminar earlier this year)
 
 Regards
 Charlie
 
 -Original Message-
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 Sent: 21 August 2015 16:53
 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
 Subject: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU  LV Directive 2014/35/EU
 
 Hi All,
 
 The captioned directives will be enforced on 20 April 2016 with no transition 
 period.  As of today, no accredited laboratories accept the compliance 
 verification to those directive until 20 April 2016.  They claim they cannot 
 test to those directives until 20 April 2016 as per the directive.  It is 
 impossible in the industry to prepare for any compliant products to be put on 
 the market on 20 April 2016.  Since there is no any technical changes, can we 
 just update the DoC using the compliant report of old directives.  Or any 
 other idea/original idea of these new directives to allow the compliant 
 product putting on the market in good order.
 
 Thanks and regards,
 
 Scott
 
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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Charlie Blackham]

Monrad

I should have just put the shall apply from 20 April 2016 into bold, and not 
just the Annex.

 Please provide an official European Union (EU) document that confirms that 
 Declarations against these new Directives cannot be issued until 20 April 
 2016 as they have no legal standing until then.

I don't have it formally, but you can't legally declare compliance with 
something that is not in force at the time you sign it and  
http://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/electrical-engineering/directives/index_en.htm
 states

New LVD Directive 2014/35/EU
As of 20 April 2016, Directive 2006/95/EC will be repealed by the new LVD 
Directive 2014/35/EU. This directive is aligned to the New Legislative 
Framework policy. Nevertheless, Directive 2014/35/EU will keep the same scope 
and safety objectives as Directive 2006/95/EC.
And

New EMC Directive (2014/30/EU)
In February 2014, the European Parliament and Council issued a new EMC 
Directive  aligned to the New Legislative Framework. This new Directive will be 
applicable from 20 April 2016.

The new Directives have an article on repeal of the old directive - a similar 
clause is contained in 2011/65/EU which came into force in a planned way on 
2nd January 2013

Additionally, Lists of Harmonised Standards will not be published until close 
to the date in April, and whilst they're not mandatory, without them there can 
be no presumption of conformity

The main changes are to economic operators in the supply chain, and not to 
manufacturers, unless their products fall into scope of the Radio Equipment 
Directive and so move out of scope of EMC/LVD a little bit late in June 2016.

Regards
Charlie


From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com]
Sent: 23 March 2015 22:31
To: Charlie Blackham
Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

Hi Charlie,
Please note that Annex I for both Directives lists the essential requirements.  
Annex I makes no mention of declarations of conformity (DOCs).  Again, the 
article addressing DOCs in each directive has not been identified with a 
delayed application.  Also, there is no essential requirement in the old 
directives that are contradicted in the new directives.  Hence, a product 
declared compliant to the new directives is automatically compliant with the 
old soon-to-be-repealed directives.

By the way, updates to the essential requirements are minor and actually 
provide more information.

  *   EMC Directive 2014/30/EU Annex I reduces the description of fixed 
installation requirements to the first sentence of what was in the old 
Directive 2004/108/EC Annex I section 2:  A fixed installation shall be 
installed applying good engineering practices and respecting the information on 
the intended use of its components, with a view to meeting the essential 
requirements set out in point 1.  The old Directive 2004/108/EC Annex I 
section 2 also adds Those good engineering practices shall be documented and 
the documentation shall be held by the person(s) responsible at the disposal of 
the relevant national authorities for inspection purposes for as long as the 
fixed installation is in operation.  This is really not appropriate to be 
listed as an EMC essential requirement.  The new EMC Directive 2014/30/EU 
correctly moves this statement to the last paragraph of Article 19 section 1 
because Article 19 is a whole article discussing the requirements unique to 
fixed installations.  Please note that other electrical equipment that are not 
fixed installations also have records retention requirements, and those records 
retention requirements were never listed in the essential requirements.
  *   Low Voltage Directive 2014/30/EU Annex I removes from the essential 
requirements one requirement that was in the old Directive 2006/95/EC Annex I 
section 1(c):  The brand name or the trade mark should be clearly printed on 
the electrical equipment or, where that is not possible, on the packaging.  
However, the new Low Voltage Directive 2014/30/EU still addresses this 
requirement but places this requirement in Article 6 section 6:  Manufacturers 
shall indicate on the electrical equipment their name, registered trade name or 
registered trade mark and the postal address at which they can be contracted 
or, where that is not possible, on its packaging or in a document accompanying 
the electrical equipment.

Again, if you comply with the new directives of 2014, then you also comply with 
the old soon-to-be-repealed directives.

Please provide an official European Union (EU) document that confirms that 
Declarations against these new Directives cannot be issued until 20 April 2016 
as they have no legal standing until then.

Monrad
Note:  All opinions written above are my own and are not necessarily those of 
any company I work for.

On 3/23/2015 3:50 PM, Charlie Blackham wrote:
Monrad

Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Monrad Monsen]

Hi Charlie,
You made an interesting statement.  You said I don’t have it formally, 
but you can’t legally declare compliance with something that is not in 
force at the time you sign it. You made a mistake by including the 
statement is in force.  We do have a formal published Europa statement 
in both the EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and the Low Voltage Directive 
2014/35/EU that: This directive *_shall_* enter into force on the 
twentieth day following that of its publication in the Official Journal 
of the European Union. (Emphasis on shall is mine.)  Both were 
published in the Official Journal on 29 March 2014, so both are in force 
as of 18 April 2014.  Europe wisely gave manufacturers two years to 
transition to the new directives, so products may continue to be sold in 
Europe with CE marks that only comply with the old directives until 20 
April 2016, but on 20 April 2016 the new directives become mandatory.


As we have seen on this chat group, you are not alone in your view. Some 
people I highly respect (that group includes you) share your view.  They 
believe that Europe will only allow products having a DOC listing only 
the old directives until 11:59pm, 19 April 2016; then someone from each 
company must immediately sign new DOCs to maintain the product CE marks 
at precisely midnight (or 12:00am) on 20 April 2016 (Wednesday).  What 
is not clear is which time zone should be used for signing this DOC, or 
if one must keep re-signing a DOC again each hour of the European time 
zones.  I make this point because USA manufacturers may be eight hours 
behind Europe and miss a whole day of imports and sales in Europe if we 
were to just use the date  time of the manufacturer's time zone (the 
one signing the DOC).  Because this is so unreasonable, one person 
stated on this PSES chat that they had a private conversation with an 
unnamed official that said that UK won't enforce the Europe laws (the 
new directives) for the first year to provide an unofficial transition 
period ... but that same official would not put that into writing. 
Instead, I believe it makes more sense for Europe to implement what is 
actually written in the directives which already provides a reasonable 
two year transition period between the new directives going into force 
(18 April 2014) and the old directives being repealed (20 April 2016).


Let me open up an additional debate issue.  For the transition, I 
recommend declaring to both the old and the new directives.  These 
directives are compatible (no conflicts), so your product can comply 
with both.  I suggest DOC wording similar to what is listed below:

- - - - - - - - - - -
This product complies with the requirements of the European Union 
directives listed below:

 2014/35/EU (2006/95/EC)  Low Voltage Directive
 2014/30/EU (2004/108/EC) EMC Directive
 2011/65/EU (2002/95/EC)  Restriction of Hazardous Substances (RoHS) 
Directive

- - - - - - - - - - -

I have heard some say that one may not cite both old  new directives on 
the same DOC, but I have never seen anything official from Europa that 
prohibits this.


Thanks.
Monrad
http://www.oracle.com
On 3/24/2015 7:44 AM, Charlie Blackham wrote:


Monrad

I should have just put the *shall apply from 20 April 2016*into bold, 
and not just the Annex.


 Please provide an official European Union (EU) document that confirms 
that Declarations against these new Directives cannot be issued until 
20 April 2016 as they have no legal standing until then.


I don’t have it formally, but you can’t legally declare compliance 
with something that is not in force at the time you sign it and 
http://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/electrical-engineering/directives/index_en.htm 
states


*New LVD Directive 2014/35/EU*

As of 20 April 2016, Directive 2006/95/EC will be repealed by the new 
LVD Directive 2014/35/EU. This directive is aligned to the New 
Legislative Framework policy. Nevertheless, Directive 2014/35/EU will 
keep the same scope and safety objectives as Directive 2006/95/EC.


And

*New EMC Directive (2014/30/EU)*

In February 2014, the European Parliament and Council issued a new EMC 
Directive  aligned to the New Legislative Framework. This new 
Directive will be applicable from 20 April 2016.


The new Directives have an article on “repeal” of the old directive – 
a similar clause is contained in 2011/65/EU which came into force in a 
“planned way” on 2^nd January 2013


Additionally, Lists of Harmonised Standards will not be published 
until close to the date in April, and whilst they’re not mandatory, 
without them there can be no “presumption of conformity”


The main changes are to economic operators in the supply chain, and 
not to manufacturers, unless their products fall into scope of the 
Radio Equipment Directive and so move out of scope of EMC/LVD a little 
bit late in June 2016.


Regards

Charlie

*From:*Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com]
*Sent:* 23 March 2015 22:31
*To:* Charlie Blackham
*Cc

Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Pat Lawler]

Hi Monrad,

What about creating  a DoC with a timeline for the Directive followed?
 Something like:
This device complies with the essential requirements of EMC Directive
2004/108/EC until 20 April 2016. After 20 April 2016, this device
complies with EMC Directive 2014/30/EU.

DoCs can be issued ahead of time without worrying about the exact
moment a product enters the EU.

Pat

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Monrad Monsen monrad.mon...@oracle.com wrote:
 Hi Charlie,
 You made an interesting statement.  You said I don’t have it formally, but
 you can’t legally declare compliance with something that is not in force at
 the time you sign it.  You made a mistake by including the statement is in
 force.  We do have a formal published Europa statement in both the EMC
 Directive 2014/30/EU and the Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU that: This
 directive shall enter into force on the twentieth day following that of its
 publication in the Official Journal of the European Union. (Emphasis on
 shall is mine.)  Both were published in the Official Journal on 29 March
 2014, so both are in force as of 18 April 2014.  Europe wisely gave
 manufacturers two years to transition to the new directives, so products may
 continue to be sold in Europe with CE marks that only comply with the old
 directives until 20 April 2016, but on 20 April 2016 the new directives
 become mandatory.

 As we have seen on this chat group, you are not alone in your view.  Some
 people I highly respect (that group includes you) share your view.  They
 believe that Europe will only allow products having a DOC listing only the
 old directives until 11:59pm, 19 April 2016;  then someone from each company
 must immediately sign new DOCs to maintain the product CE marks at precisely
 midnight (or 12:00am) on 20 April 2016 (Wednesday).  What is not clear is
 which time zone should be used for signing this DOC, or if one must keep
 re-signing a DOC again each hour of the European time zones.  I make this
 point because USA manufacturers may be eight hours behind Europe and miss a
 whole day of imports and sales in Europe if we were to just use the date 
 time of the manufacturer's time zone (the one signing the DOC).  Because
 this is so unreasonable, one person stated on this PSES chat that they had a
 private conversation with an unnamed official that said that UK won't
 enforce the Europe laws (the new directives) for the first year to provide
 an unofficial transition period ... but that same official would not put
 that into writing.   Instead, I believe it makes more sense for Europe to
 implement what is actually written in the directives which already provides
 a reasonable two year transition period between the new directives going
 into force (18 April 2014) and the old directives being repealed (20 April
 2016).

 Let me open up an additional debate issue.  For the transition, I recommend
 declaring to both the old and the new directives.  These directives are
 compatible (no conflicts), so your product can comply with both.  I suggest
 DOC wording similar to what is listed below:
 - - - - - - - - - - -
 This product complies with the requirements of the European Union directives
 listed below:
  2014/35/EU (2006/95/EC)  Low Voltage Directive
  2014/30/EU (2004/108/EC) EMC Directive
  2011/65/EU (2002/95/EC)  Restriction of Hazardous Substances (RoHS)
 Directive
 - - - - - - - - - - -

 I have heard some say that one may not cite both old  new directives on the
 same DOC, but I have never seen anything official from Europa that prohibits
 this.

 Thanks.
 Monrad


 On 3/24/2015 7:44 AM, Charlie Blackham wrote:

 Monrad



 I should have just put the shall apply from 20 April 2016 into bold, and not
 just the Annex.



 Please provide an official European Union (EU) document that confirms that
 Declarations against these new Directives cannot be issued until 20 April
 2016 as they have no legal standing until then.



 I don’t have it formally, but you can’t legally declare compliance with
 something that is not in force at the time you sign it and
 http://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/electrical-engineering/directives/index_en.htm
 states



 New LVD Directive 2014/35/EU

 As of 20 April 2016, Directive 2006/95/EC will be repealed by the new LVD
 Directive 2014/35/EU. This directive is aligned to the New Legislative
 Framework policy. Nevertheless, Directive 2014/35/EU will keep the same
 scope and safety objectives as Directive 2006/95/EC.

 And



 New EMC Directive (2014/30/EU)

 In February 2014, the European Parliament and Council issued a new EMC
 Directive  aligned to the New Legislative Framework. This new Directive will
 be applicable from 20 April 2016.



 The new Directives have an article on “repeal” of the old directive – a
 similar clause is contained in 2011/65/EU which came into force in a
 “planned way” on 2nd January 2013



 Additionally, Lists of Harmonised Standards will not be published until
 close to the date in April

Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[John Woodgate]

In message 5511840f.4030...@oracle.com, dated Tue, 24 Mar 2015, Monrad 
Monsen monrad.mon...@oracle.com writes:


You made an interesting statement.  You said I don’t have it 
formally, but you can’t legally declare compliance with something 
that is not in force at the time you sign it.  You made a mistake by 
including the statement is in force. 


Yes, it is a slip. 'in force', as I have said before, refers to the 
Directive being an instruction to member states to enact national 
legislation. It is NOTHING to do with conformity or compliance.


Member states are required to enact this legislation by 19 April 2016 
(Article 44). Articles 46 and 47 should further clarify. Note the 
difference between 'in force' and 'apply' in Article 46. Article 47 
clarifies that the Directive is addressed to member states, not the 
population.


Article 46
Entry into force and application
This Directive shall enter into force on the twentieth day following 
that of its publication in the Official Journal of the European Union.


Article 1, Article 2, points (1) to (8) of Article 3(1), Article 3(2), 
Article 5(2) and (3), Article 6, Article 13, Article 19(3) and Annex I 
shall apply from 20 April 2016.


Article 47
Addressees
This Directive is addressed to the Member States.


.  They believe that Europe will only allow products having a DOC 
listing only the old directives until 11:59pm, 19 April 2016;  then 
someone from each company must immediately sign new DOCs to maintain 
the product CE marks at precisely midnight (or 12:00am) on 20 April 
2016 (Wednesday). What is not clear is which time zone should be used 
for signing this DOC, or if one must keep re-signing a DOC again each 
hour of the European time zones. I make this point because USA 
manufacturers may be eight hours behind Europe and miss a whole day of 
imports and sales in Europe if we were to just use the date  time of 
the manufacturer's time zone (the one signing the DOC).


It isn't at all unreasonable because it doesn't matter at all when the 
DoC is *signed*.


What the Directive actually says in Annex II Module A is:

5.2. The manufacturer shall draw up a written EU declaration of 
conformity for an apparatus model and keep it together with the 
technical documentation at the disposal of the national authorities for 
10 years after the apparatus has been placed on the market. The EU 
declaration of conformity shall identify the apparatus for which it has 
been drawn up.
A copy of the EU declaration of conformity shall be made available to 
the relevant authorities upon request.


So you don't actually have to have a DoC at all, UNTIL you are asked for 
it! You may never be asked for it.


 Because this is so unreasonable, one person stated on this PSES chat 
that they had a private conversation with an unnamed official that said 
that UK won't enforce the Europe laws (the new directives) for the first 
year to provide an unofficial transition period ... but that same 
official would not put that into writing.


Of course not. This is the real world.

Instead, I believe it makes more sense for Europe to implement what is 
actually written in the directives which already provides a reasonable 
two year transition period between the new directives going into force 
(18 April 2014) and the old directives being repealed (20 April 2016).


'Sense' and 'reasonable' are not applicable to EU activities

Let me open up an additional debate issue. For the transition, I 
recommend declaring to both the old and the new directives. These 
directives are compatible (no conflicts), so your product can comply 
with both. I suggest DOC wording similar to what is listed below:

- - - - - - - - - - -
This product complies with the requirements of the European Union 
directives listed below:

 2014/35/EU (2006/95/EC)  Low Voltage Directive
 2014/30/EU (2004/108/EC) EMC Directive
 2011/65/EU (2002/95/EC)  Restriction of Hazardous Substances (RoHS) 
Directive

- - - - - - - - - - -

I have heard some say that one may not cite both old  new directives 
on the same DOC, but I have never seen anything official from Europa 
that prohibits this.


Yes, there was a statement to that effect, but whether it is legally 
binding is doubtful, because 'Whereas' 34 of the Directive says:


To ensure effective access to information for market surveillance 
purposes, the information required to identify all applicable Union acts 
should be available in a single EU declaration of conformity. In order 
to reduce the administrative burden on economic operators, that single 
EU declaration of conformity may be a dossier made up of relevant 
individual declarations of conformity.


Nowhere does it say that the dossier may not include declarations to 
superseded or yet-to-be-implemented Directives.

--
OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk
When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK

Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Grasso, Charles]

Hello  Monrad  - On the issue of [What is not clear is which time zone should 
be used for signing this DOC, or if one must keep re-signing a DOC again each 
hour of the European time zones ] I suggest that BMT (that's Brussels Mean 
Time) be used as the  DoC clock from
anywhere in the world!

Best Regards
Charles Grasso
Compliance Engineer
Echostar Communications
(w) 303-706-5467
(c) 303-204-2974
(t) 3032042...@vtext.com
(e) charles.gra...@echostar.com
(e2) chasgra...@gmail.com

From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 9:35 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

Hi Charlie,
You made an interesting statement.  You said I don't have it formally, but you 
can't legally declare compliance with something that is not in force at the 
time you sign it.  You made a mistake by including the statement is in 
force.  We do have a formal published Europa statement in both the EMC 
Directive 2014/30/EU and the Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU that: This 
directive shall enter into force on the twentieth day following that of its 
publication in the Official Journal of the European Union. (Emphasis on 
shall is mine.)  Both were published in the Official Journal on 29 March 
2014, so both are in force as of 18 April 2014.  Europe wisely gave 
manufacturers two years to transition to the new directives, so products may 
continue to be sold in Europe with CE marks that only comply with the old 
directives until 20 April 2016, but on 20 April 2016 the new directives become 
mandatory.

As we have seen on this chat group, you are not alone in your view.  Some 
people I highly respect (that group includes you) share your view.  They 
believe that Europe will only allow products having a DOC listing only the old 
directives until 11:59pm, 19 April 2016;  then someone from each company must 
immediately sign new DOCs to maintain the product CE marks at precisely 
midnight (or 12:00am) on 20 April 2016 (Wednesday).  What is not clear is which 
time zone should be used for signing this DOC, or if one must keep re-signing a 
DOC again each hour of the European time zones.  I make this point because USA 
manufacturers may be eight hours behind Europe and miss a whole day of imports 
and sales in Europe if we were to just use the date  time of the 
manufacturer's time zone (the one signing the DOC).  Because this is so 
unreasonable, one person stated on this PSES chat that they had a private 
conversation with an unnamed official that said that UK won't enforce the 
Europe laws (the new directives) for the first year to provide an unofficial 
transition period ... but that same official would not put that into writing.   
Instead, I believe it makes more sense for Europe to implement what is actually 
written in the directives which already provides a reasonable two year 
transition period between the new directives going into force (18 April 2014) 
and the old directives being repealed (20 April 2016).

Let me open up an additional debate issue.  For the transition, I recommend 
declaring to both the old and the new directives.  These directives are 
compatible (no conflicts), so your product can comply with both.  I suggest DOC 
wording similar to what is listed below:
- - - - - - - - - - -
This product complies with the requirements of the European Union directives 
listed below:
 2014/35/EU (2006/95/EC)  Low Voltage Directive
 2014/30/EU (2004/108/EC) EMC Directive
 2011/65/EU (2002/95/EC)  Restriction of Hazardous Substances (RoHS) Directive
- - - - - - - - - - -

I have heard some say that one may not cite both old  new directives on the 
same DOC, but I have never seen anything official from Europa that prohibits 
this.

Thanks.
Monrad

On 3/24/2015 7:44 AM, Charlie Blackham wrote:
Monrad

I should have just put the shall apply from 20 April 2016 into bold, and not 
just the Annex.

 Please provide an official European Union (EU) document that confirms that 
 Declarations against these new Directives cannot be issued until 20 April 
 2016 as they have no legal standing until then.

I don't have it formally, but you can't legally declare compliance with 
something that is not in force at the time you sign it and  
http://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/electrical-engineering/directives/index_en.htm
 states

New LVD Directive 2014/35/EU
As of 20 April 2016, Directive 2006/95/EC will be repealed by the new LVD 
Directive 2014/35/EU. This directive is aligned to the New Legislative 
Framework policy. Nevertheless, Directive 2014/35/EU will keep the same scope 
and safety objectives as Directive 2006/95/EC.
And

New EMC Directive (2014/30/EU)
In February 2014, the European Parliament and Council issued a new EMC 
Directive  aligned to the New Legislative Framework. This new Directive will be 
applicable from 20 April 2016.

The new Directives have an article on repeal of the old

Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Charlie Blackham]

Monrad

These directives cannot be used at the moment - the relevant detail is at the 
end of the quoted articles (with my bold text)


2014/30/EU Article 46

Entry into force and application

This Directive shall enter into force on the twentieth day following that of 
its publication in the Official Journal of the European Union.EN 29.3.2014 
Official Journal of the European Union L 96/95
Article 1, Article 2, points (1) to (8) of Article 3(1), Article 3(2), Article 
5(2) and (3), Article 6, Article 13, Article 19(3) and Annex I shall apply from 
20 April 2016.



2014/35/EU  Article 28

Entry into force

This Directive shall enter into force on the twentieth day following that of 
its publication in the Official Journal of the European Union.
Article 1, the second paragraph of Article 3, Article 5, Article 13(2) and (3) 
and Annexes I, V and VI shall apply from 20 April 2016.

Declarations against these new Directives cannot be issued until 20 April 2016 
as they have no legal standing until then

Regards
Charlie

From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com]
Sent: 23 March 2015 21:25
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

Hi John,
Where is it written that Directives aren't valid until ALL member states have 
implemented them?

ENTER INTO FORCE
I note that both the Low Voltage Directive and the EMC Directive clearly 
states:  This directive shall enter into force on the twentieth day following 
that of its publication in the Official Journal of the European Union. 
(Emphasis on shall is mine.)  See the citations below:

  *   Article 45 of the EMC Directive 2014/30/EU that was published in the 
Official Journal on 29 March 2014.  Accordingly, the EMC Directive 2014/30/EU 
entered into force on 18 April 2014. Please also note that Article 45 does not 
list Article 15 (EU declaration of conformity) as one of the articles that has 
a delayed application.
  *   Article 28 of the Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU that was published in 
the Official Journal on 29 March 2014.  Accordingly, the Low Voltage Directive 
2014/35/EU entered into force on 18 April 2014.  Please also note that Article 
28 does not list Article 15 (EU declaration of conformity) as one of the 
articles that has a delayed application.
As written, it appears that the new directives are entered into force and can 
be used on declarations of conformity (DOCs).

REPEAL
Similarly, both directives state the older directives (2004/108/EC and 
2006/95/EC) are repealed with effect from 20 April 2016, without prejudice to 
the obligations of the Member States relating to the time limits for 
transposition into national law and the dates of application set out in the 
new directives (2014/30/EU and 2014/35/EU).  As a result, any products that 
still relies on the old directives for CE compliance may not be imported and 
sold after 20 April 2016.

Fortunately, both new directives do state that any references to the repealed 
Directive shall be construed as references to this [new] Directive and shall be 
read in accordance with the correlation table given in the new Directive.  As 
a result, as long as the product still complies with the new directive and just 
has documentation making outdated references to the old directive.

So ... if you are correct that EU directives are aren't valid until ALL member 
states have implemented them, I would like to know the official document that 
contradicts the EU directives themselves.

Thanks.
Monrad


On 3/2/2015 12:50 PM, John Woodgate wrote:
In message 
000f424e.486384b410ff5...@rpqconsulting.commailto:000f424e.486384b410ff5...@rpqconsulting.com,
 dated Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Ron Pickard (RPQ) 
rpick...@rpqconsulting.commailto:rpick...@rpqconsulting.com writes:


As I believe as Mr. Woodgate pointed out earlier, these new directives have no 
legal standing until at least one member state enacts them into their own legal 
system. To my knowledge, that hasn't happened yet. Anyone have any info on this?

There has been a new ruling on this from the Commission. One implementation is 
NOT ENOUGH: the Directives aren't valid until ALL member states have 
implemented them.

I suppose this is because a member state could find a serious objection to 
implementation, which would put everything back in the melting pot.

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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Monrad Monsen]

Hi John,
Where is it written that Directives aren't valid until ALL member 
states have implemented them?


_*ENTER INTO FORCE*_
I note that both the Low Voltage Directive and the EMC Directive clearly 
states:  This directive _*shall*_ enter into force on the twentieth day 
following that of its publication in the Official Journal of the 
European Union. (Emphasis on shall is mine.)  See the citations below:


 * Article 45 of the EMC Directive 2014/30/EU that was published in the
   Official Journal on 29 March 2014.  Accordingly, the EMC Directive
   2014/30/EU entered into force on 18 April 2014. Please also note
   that Article 45 does not list Article 15 (EU declaration of
   conformity) as one of the articles that has a delayed application.
 * Article 28 of the Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU that was
   published in the Official Journal on 29 March 2014. Accordingly, the
   Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU entered into force on 18 April
   2014.  Please also note that Article 28 does not list Article 15 (EU
   declaration of conformity) as one of the articles that has a delayed
   application.

http://www.oracle.com As written, it appears that the new directives 
are entered into force and can be used on declarations of conformity 
(DOCs).


_*REPEAL*_
Similarly, both directives state the older directives (2004/108/EC and 
2006/95/EC) are repealed with effect from 20 April 2016, without 
prejudice to the obligations of the Member States relating to the time 
limits for transposition into national law and the dates of application 
set out in the new directives (2014/30/EU and 2014/35/EU).  As a 
result, any products that still relies on the old directives for CE 
compliance may not be imported and sold after 20 April 2016.


Fortunately, both new directives do state that any references to the 
repealed Directive shall be construed as references to this [new] 
Directive and shall be read in accordance with the correlation table 
given in the new Directive.  As a result, as long as the product still 
complies with the new directive and just has documentation making 
outdated references to the old directive.


So ... if you are correct that EU directives are aren't valid until ALL 
member states have implemented them, I would like to know the official 
document that contradicts the EU directives themselves.


Thanks.
Monrad

On 3/2/2015 12:50 PM, John Woodgate wrote:
In message 000f424e.486384b410ff5...@rpqconsulting.com, dated Mon, 2 
Mar 2015, Ron Pickard (RPQ) rpick...@rpqconsulting.com writes:


As I believe as Mr. Woodgate pointed out earlier, these new 
directives have no legal standing until at least one member state 
enacts them into their own legal system. To my knowledge, that hasn't 
happened yet. Anyone have any info on this?


There has been a new ruling on this from the Commission. One 
implementation is NOT ENOUGH: the Directives aren't valid until ALL 
member states have implemented them.


I suppose this is because a member state could find a serious 
objection to implementation, which would put everything back in the 
melting pot.



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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[John Woodgate]

In message 551084ae.2040...@oracle.com, dated Mon, 23 Mar 2015, Monrad 
Monsen monrad.mon...@oracle.com writes:


Where is it written that Directives aren't valid until ALL member 
states have implemented them?


Two things:

1. Directives are instructions to member states to enact national 
legislation to implement the provisions of the Directive. The Directive 
is addressed, as they say, to member states, not the population.


'Enter into force' is thus nothing to do with the validity of citing a 
Directive in a DoC; it is the date at which member states become 
obligated to start the process of national legislation.


A Directive is thus not a law. Until the Directive is implemented in 
national legislation, no 'law' exists that could be broken by a 
manufacturer.


2. The refutation of the informal statement by UK officials that only 
ONE state need enact implementing legislation is in a document that I 
have seen but I do not have. I have enquired about the availability of 
the document but I have had no response. Maybe the lawyers are still 
arguing.

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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Monrad Monsen]

Hi Charlie,
Please note that Annex I for both Directives lists the essential 
requirements.  Annex I makes no mention of declarations of conformity 
(DOCs).  Again, the article addressing DOCs in each directive has not 
been identified with a delayed application.  Also, there is no essential 
requirement in the old directives that are contradicted in the new 
directives.  Hence, a product declared compliant to the new directives 
is automatically compliant with the old soon-to-be-repealed directives.


By the way, updates to the essential requirements are minor and actually 
provide more information.


 * EMC Directive 2014/30/EU Annex I reduces the description of fixed
   installation requirements to the first sentence of what was in the
   old Directive 2004/108/EC Annex I section 2:  A fixed installation
   shall be installed applying good engineering practices and
   respecting the information on the intended use of its components,
   with a view to meeting the essential requirements set out in point
   1.  The old Directive 2004/108/EC Annex I section 2 also adds
   Those good engineering practices shall be documented and the
   documentation shall be held by the person(s) responsible at the
   disposal of the relevant national authorities for inspection
   purposes for as long as the fixed installation is in operation. 
   This is really not appropriate to be listed as an EMC essential

   requirement.  The new EMC Directive 2014/30/EU correctly moves this
   statement to the last paragraph of Article 19 section 1 because
   Article 19 is a whole article discussing the requirements unique to
   fixed installations.  Please note that other electrical equipment
   that are not fixed installations also have records retention
   requirements, and those records retention requirements were never
   listed in the essential requirements.
 * Low Voltage Directive 2014/30/EU Annex I removes from the essential
   requirements one requirement that was in the old Directive
   2006/95/EC Annex I section 1(c):  The brand name or the trade mark
   should be clearly printed on the electrical equipment or, where that
   is not possible, on the packaging. However, the new Low Voltage
   Directive 2014/30/EU still addresses this requirement but places
   this requirement in Article 6 section 6:  Manufacturers shall
   indicate on the electrical equipment their name, registered trade
   name or registered trade mark and the postal address at which they
   can be contracted or, where that is not possible, on its packaging
   or in a document accompanying the electrical equipment.


Again, if you comply with the new directives of 2014, then you also 
comply with the old soon-to-be-repealed directives.


Please provide an official European Union (EU) document that confirms 
that Declarations against these new Directives cannot be issued until 
20 April 2016 as they have no legal standing until then.


Monrad
Note:  All opinions written above are my own and are not necessarily 
those of any company I work for.

http://www.oracle.com
On 3/23/2015 3:50 PM, Charlie Blackham wrote:


Monrad

These directives cannot be used at the moment – the relevant detail is 
at the end of the quoted articles (with my bold text)


/2014/30/EU Article 46 /

*Entry into force and application *

This Directive shall enter into force on the twentieth day following 
that of its publication in the /Official Journal of the European 
Union/.EN 29.3.2014 Official Journal of the European Union L 96/95


Article 1, Article 2, points (1) to (8) of Article 3(1), Article 3(2), 
Article 5(2) and (3), Article 6, Article 13, Article 19(3) *and Annex 
I shall apply from 20 April 2016.*


//

2014/35/EU /Article 28 /

*Entry into force *

This Directive shall enter into force on the twentieth day following 
that of its publication in the /Official Journal of the European Union/.


Article 1, the second paragraph of Article 3, Article 5, Article 13(2) 
and (3) *and Annexes I, V and VI shall apply from 20 April 2016*.


Declarations against these new Directives cannot be issued until 20 
April 2016 as they have no legal standing until then


Regards

Charlie

*From:*Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com]
*Sent:* 23 March 2015 21:25
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 
2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU


Hi John,
Where is it written that Directives aren't valid until ALL member 
states have implemented them?


*_ENTER INTO FORCE_*
I note that both the Low Voltage Directive and the EMC Directive 
clearly states:  This directive *_shall_* enter into force on the 
twentieth day following that of its publication in the Official 
Journal of the European Union. (Emphasis on shall is mine.)  See 
the citations below:


  * Article 45 of the EMC Directive 2014/30/EU that was published in
the Official Journal on 29 March 2014. Accordingly, the EMC
Directive 2014/30/EU entered

Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Michael Derby]

Hello all,

I don't know if this helps and maybe it's not the full answer, but I remember 
the conversation regarding colour photographs on the DoC when we were 
progressing the early drafts of the new Radio Equipment Directive.

There is an attempt to harmonise the administrative requirements between 
Directives of course, which can mean taking the requirements of one Directive 
and applying it to the others.   Assuming you do not want to 'soften' any 
Directives, you therefore end up 'toughening' the others.
I believe the Toy Safety Directive requires a good quality colour photo of the 
device on the DoC; therefore there was a proposal that all DoCs, to all 
Directives, should have a good quality colour photo on it.
This was finally rejected from the Radio Equipment Directive and EMC Directive 
as being an unnecessary requirement.
However, it was left that if you do decide to put photo on your DoC, it should 
be good quality and in colour (to align with the photo requirements of the Toy 
Safety Directive).

Therefore, it should not be mandatory to put the photo on your EMC or RE 
Directive DoCs, but it's an option if you want it.


Thanks,   Michael.



-Original Message-
From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: 17 March 2015 07:53
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

John,

Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't notice the MAY. I'll have to make a 
point to do that in the future.

 However, with my luck, I'm sure some country will translate this into a Must 
Have requirement in their law.

As you may know from other treads I've been participating in that we are 
currently looking at the current and future requirements of the DoC and 
Nameplate so I have to consider all possibilities.
I appreciate everyone's input. It has been most helpful.
Thanks for your input.
The Other Brian

-Original Message-
From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 4:57 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

In message
64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB026D385D@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local,
dated Mon, 16 Mar 2015, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes:

“4. Object of the declaration (identification of apparatus allowing 
traceability; it may include a colour image of sufficient clarity where 
necessary for the identification of the apparatus):”



Does this mean we have to include a color picture of the product on the 
DoC?

No, it quite clearly says 'may', which gives permission.

What would be an acceptable alternative?

For most products, the other data the Directive requires is sufficient, but for 
some products it might be inconvenient or impossible to add all the marking, so 
a picture would make things clear.
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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Kunde, Brian]

This is true, however, we cannot wait until the twelfth hour and then find out 
about these things. High Res color photos and printers and the processes to 
integrate this into production is not a couple hour job. Especially for those 
who also have to comply with the Machinery Directive where every product built 
has a custom DoC.
We have to plan for future possibilities.
Thanks,
The Other Brain

From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com]
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 4:10 PM
To: Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

Brian

I’d wait until the guidance comes out as no one will be signing DoCs until 20 
April 2016

Regards
Charlie

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: 16 March 2015 19:51
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

I’m sorry to be bringing this topic back, but looking at the DoC requirements 
for the new EMC Directive, what does this mean?

“4. Object of the declaration (identification of apparatus allowing 
traceability; it may include a colour image of sufficient clarity where 
necessary for the identification of the apparatus):”

Does this mean we have to include a color picture of the product on the DoC?  
What would be an acceptable alternative?

Thanks,
The Other Brian


From: Ron Pickard (RPQ) [mailto:rpick...@rpqconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 1:32 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU


As an outsider to the EU process, all I can do is hope it all gets completed on 
time. But, I am skeptical that all the member states and ETSI can get that all 
done by the 2016 dates. I think the EU put the cart before the horse on this 
one, metaphorically speaking.



I look forward to you reply.



Best regards,

Ron Pickard

Sent from my smartphone



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we'll have to wait and see if the member states and ETSI meet the 2016 dates 
in those directives.I meant a bit more than that. What chance is there of all 
the work being done in time? 1 picochance?-- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best 
wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.ukhttp://www.jmwa.demon.co.ukWhen I turn my 
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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Kunde, Brian]

John,

Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't notice the MAY. I'll have to make a 
point to do that in the future.

 However, with my luck, I'm sure some country will translate this into a Must 
Have requirement in their law.

As you may know from other treads I've been participating in that we are 
currently looking at the current and future requirements of the DoC and 
Nameplate so I have to consider all possibilities.
I appreciate everyone's input. It has been most helpful.
Thanks for your input.
The Other Brian

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Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

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“4. Object of the declaration (identification of apparatus allowing
traceability; it may include a colour image of sufficient clarity where
necessary for the identification of the apparatus):”



Does this mean we have to include a color picture of the product on the
DoC?

No, it quite clearly says 'may', which gives permission.

What would be an acceptable alternative?

For most products, the other data the Directive requires is sufficient, but for 
some products it might be inconvenient or impossible to add all the marking, so 
a picture would make things clear.
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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[John Woodgate]

In message 
64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB026D385D@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, 
dated Mon, 16 Mar 2015, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes:


“4. Object of the declaration (identification of apparatus allowing 
traceability; it may include a colour image of sufficient clarity where 
necessary for the identification of the apparatus):”


 

Does this mean we have to include a color picture of the product on the 
DoC? 


No, it quite clearly says 'may', which gives permission.


What would be an acceptable alternative?


For most products, the other data the Directive requires is sufficient, 
but for some products it might be inconvenient or impossible to add all 
the marking, so a picture would make things clear.

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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Kunde, Brian]

I’m sorry to be bringing this topic back, but looking at the DoC requirements 
for the new EMC Directive, what does this mean?

“4. Object of the declaration (identification of apparatus allowing 
traceability; it may include a colour image of sufficient clarity where 
necessary for the identification of the apparatus):”

Does this mean we have to include a color picture of the product on the DoC?  
What would be an acceptable alternative?

Thanks,
The Other Brian


From: Ron Pickard (RPQ) [mailto:rpick...@rpqconsulting.com]
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU


As an outsider to the EU process, all I can do is hope it all gets completed on 
time. But, I am skeptical that all the member states and ETSI can get that all 
done by the 2016 dates. I think the EU put the cart before the horse on this 
one, metaphorically speaking.



I look forward to you reply.



Best regards,

Ron Pickard

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Subject:Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
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 dated Tue, 3 Mar 2015, Ron Pickard (RPQ)  writes:For your question, I guess 
we'll have to wait and see if the member states and ETSI meet the 2016 dates 
in those directives.I meant a bit more than that. What chance is there of all 
the work being done in time? 1 picochance?-- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best 
wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.ukhttp://www.jmwa.demon.co.ukWhen I turn my 
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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Charlie Blackham]

Brian

I’d wait until the guidance comes out as no one will be signing DoCs until 20 
April 2016

Regards
Charlie

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: 16 March 2015 19:51
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

I’m sorry to be bringing this topic back, but looking at the DoC requirements 
for the new EMC Directive, what does this mean?

“4. Object of the declaration (identification of apparatus allowing 
traceability; it may include a colour image of sufficient clarity where 
necessary for the identification of the apparatus):”

Does this mean we have to include a color picture of the product on the DoC?  
What would be an acceptable alternative?

Thanks,
The Other Brian


From: Ron Pickard (RPQ) [mailto:rpick...@rpqconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 1:32 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU


As an outsider to the EU process, all I can do is hope it all gets completed on 
time. But, I am skeptical that all the member states and ETSI can get that all 
done by the 2016 dates. I think the EU put the cart before the horse on this 
one, metaphorically speaking.



I look forward to you reply.



Best regards,

Ron Pickard

Sent from my smartphone



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Subject:Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU



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 dated Tue, 3 Mar 2015, Ron Pickard (RPQ)  writes:For your question, I guess 
we'll have to wait and see if the member states and ETSI meet the 2016 dates 
in those directives.I meant a bit more than that. What chance is there of all 
the work being done in time? 1 picochance?-- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best 
wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.ukhttp://www.jmwa.demon.co.ukWhen I turn my 
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[PSES] Has UNECE Regulation 10 replaced Automotive EMC Directive (2004/104/EC)?

[Wan Juang Foo]

Dear all,
I am curious to know if UNECE Regulation 10 has replaced the Automotive EMC
Directive (2004/104/EC).
Can someone sheld some light in this direction?

sincerely
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Senior Lecturer School of Engineering, ECE/BME Center
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Re: [PSES] Has UNECE Regulation 10 replaced Automotive EMC Directive (2004/104/EC)?

[T.Sato]

On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 18:48:15 +0800,
  Wan Juang Foo f...@np.edu.sg wrote:

 I am curious to know if UNECE Regulation 10 has replaced the Automotive EMC
 Directive (2004/104/EC).
 Can someone sheld some light in this direction?

In the past, under Directive 2007/46/EC, we could use either of 72/245/EC
(2004/104/EC) and ECE R10.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32007L0046

Now, 72/245/EC (hence 2004/104/EC) was repealed by Regulation (EC) No 661/2009.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32009R0661

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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[RPQ]

As an outsider to the EU process, all I can do is hope it all gets 
completed on time. But, I am skeptical that all the member states and ETSI can 
get that all done by the 2016 dates. I think the EU put the cart before the 
horse on this one, metaphorically speaking.
I look forward to you reply.
Best regards,Ron PickardSent from my smartphone




-- Original message--From: John WoodgateDate: Tue, Mar 3, 2015 11:19 
AMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG;Subject:Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for 
EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU
In message 000f424e.66f2bca822817...@rpqconsulting.com, dated Tue, 3 Mar 
2015, Ron Pickard (RPQ)  writes:For your question, I guess we'll have to 
wait and see if the member states and ETSI meet the 2016 dates in those 
directives.I meant a bit more than that. What chance is there of all the work 
being done in time? 1 picochance?-- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. 
See www.jmwa.demon.co.ukWhen I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a 
rainbowJohn Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex 
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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[John Woodgate]

In message 000f424e.66f2bca822817...@rpqconsulting.com, dated Tue, 3 
Mar 2015, Ron Pickard (RPQ) rpick...@rpqconsulting.com writes:


For your question, I guess we'll have to wait and see if the member 
states and ETSI meet the 2016 dates in those directives.


I meant a bit more than that. What chance is there of all the work being 
done in time? 1 picochance?

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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[John Woodgate]

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Picochance? What SI unit is the 'chance' derived from?


1 chance is the time in seconds to vaporize a 1 kg snowball in Hell, at 
a temperature of 10 thousand kelvins.

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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[John Woodgate]

In message 000f424e.6fe8225c75b15...@rpqconsulting.com, dated Tue, 3 
Mar 2015, Ron Pickard (RPQ) rpick...@rpqconsulting.com writes:


I think the EU put the cart before the horse on this one, 
metaphorically speaking.


A lot of people think that. In the past, the EU has stopped its official 
clock in order to deal with unfinished business. So we may get 2016 
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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[RPQ]

Hi John,For your question, I guess we'll have to wait and see if the member 
states and ETSI meet the 2016 dates in those directives.
I look forward to you reply.
Best regards,Ron PickardSent from my smartphone




-- Original message--From: John WoodgateDate: Mon, Mar 2, 2015 4:26 
PMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG;Subject:Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for 
EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU
In message 000f424e.280b0b5d62a60...@rpqconsulting.com, dated Mon, 2 Mar 
2015, Ron Pickard (RPQ)  writes:So, how then would one know that ALL member 
states have implemented these directives? Would it be officially announced 
(OJ?)I don't know.or are the 2016 dates the drop dead dates for the member 
states?Yes.And, will ETSI finish it's revision process of it's RED standards 
by then? Just curious on this one.What do you think?-- OOO - Own Opinions 
Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.ukWhen I turn my back on the sun, 
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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Brian Oconnell]

Picochance? What SI unit is the 'chance' derived from? 

This could be useful in my uncertainty calculations.

Brian

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In message 000f424e.66f2bca822817...@rpqconsulting.com, dated Tue, 3 
Mar 2015, Ron Pickard (RPQ) rpick...@rpqconsulting.com writes:

For your question, I guess we'll have to wait and see if the member 
states and ETSI meet the 2016 dates in those directives.

I meant a bit more than that. What chance is there of all the work being 
done in time? 1 picochance?
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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Crane, Lauren]

TOB,

The EU legislature faces this same problem (many other official documents 
reference a particular directive by number) and nicely declares e.g. in Article 
45 of the EMC Directive “References to the repealed Directive shall be 
construed as references to this Directive and shall be read in accordance with 
the correlation table in Annex VI.’  This could be a model for a single 
sticker-amendment in a document (or web page notice) that prevents you having 
to dispose of many old documents (or document pages).

Regards,
Lauren Crane
KLA-Tencor

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 4:27 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

If the implementation start date can slide and cannot be known because of 
dozens of unknowns things that have to come together, then give us a hard two 
years minimum drop dead date after the implementation (Start date) is known. 
There is a lot of work that has to be done and a gentleman’s agreement on 
enforcement is not how things should be done.

Other than on the DoC, do we have to use the Directive Numbers when referring 
to them in our Manuals, website and Sales literature?  Can we just refer to 
them as the “EMC Directive” or “Low Voltage Directive” for example and let it 
go at that?

For example, currently we refer to the EMC Directive as the “EMC Directive 
2004/108/EC” on all our documentation and sales literature which now has to be 
changed which will cause us a lot of work, cost us a bunch of money and will 
cause us to throw out any unused materials by the drop dead date. If we can 
just refer to the directives by name and not by the number that would save us a 
lot of time and money in the future. Then we will only have to change the 
reference numbers on the DoC.

Doable?  If this what everyone does? If not, any objections?

The Other Brian


From: Ron Pickard (RPQ) [mailto:rpick...@rpqconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 4:03 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU


So, how then would one know that ALL member states have implemented these 
directives? Would it be officially announced (OJ?) or are the 2016 dates the 
drop dead dates for the member states?



And, will ETSI finish it's revision process of it's RED standards by then? Just 
curious on this one.



I look forward to you reply.



Best regards,

Ron Pickard

Sent from my smartphone



-- Original message--

From: John Woodgate

Date: Mon, Mar 2, 2015 12:59 PM

To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG;

Subject:Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU



In message 
000f424e.486384b410ff5...@rpqconsulting.commailto:%3c000f424e.486384b410ff5...@rpqconsulting.com,
 dated Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Ron Pickard (RPQ)  writes:As I believe as Mr. 
Woodgate pointed out earlier, these new directives have no legal standing 
until at least one member state enacts them into their own legal system. To my 
knowledge, that hasn't happened yet. Anyone have any info on this?There has 
been a new ruling on this from the Commission. One implementation is NOT 
ENOUGH: the Directives aren't valid until ALL member states have implemented 
them.I suppose this is because a member state could find a serious objection to 
implementation, which would put everything back in the melting pot.-- OOO - Own 
Opinions Only. With best wishes. See 
www.jmwa.demon.co.ukhttp://www.jmwa.demon.co.ukWhen I turn my back on the 
sun, it's to look for a rainbowJohn Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, 
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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[John Woodgate]

In message 
64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB026D1820@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local, 
dated Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes:


If the implementation start date can slide and cannot be known because 
of dozens of unknowns things that have to come together, then give us a 
hard two years minimum drop dead date after the implementation (Start 
date) is known. There is a lot of work that has to be done and a 
gentleman’s agreement on enforcement is not how things should be done.




Indeed, but the Commission keeps setting unachievable target dates.

 

Other than on the DoC, do we have to use the Directive Numbers when 
referring to them in our Manuals, website and Sales literature?  Can 
we just refer to them as the “EMC Directive” or “Low Voltage 
Directive” for example and let it go at that?



It depends on the context. If it is a general statement rather than 
referring to a specific edition, then a generic name is OK. But if the 
reference is to a specific edition, then the full reference is required.





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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Kunde, Brian]

If the implementation start date can slide and cannot be known because of 
dozens of unknowns things that have to come together, then give us a hard two 
years minimum drop dead date after the implementation (Start date) is known. 
There is a lot of work that has to be done and a gentleman’s agreement on 
enforcement is not how things should be done.

Other than on the DoC, do we have to use the Directive Numbers when referring 
to them in our Manuals, website and Sales literature?  Can we just refer to 
them as the “EMC Directive” or “Low Voltage Directive” for example and let it 
go at that?

For example, currently we refer to the EMC Directive as the “EMC Directive 
2004/108/EC” on all our documentation and sales literature which now has to be 
changed which will cause us a lot of work, cost us a bunch of money and will 
cause us to throw out any unused materials by the drop dead date. If we can 
just refer to the directives by name and not by the number that would save us a 
lot of time and money in the future. Then we will only have to change the 
reference numbers on the DoC.

Doable?  If this what everyone does? If not, any objections?

The Other Brian


From: Ron Pickard (RPQ) [mailto:rpick...@rpqconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 4:03 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU


So, how then would one know that ALL member states have implemented these 
directives? Would it be officially announced (OJ?) or are the 2016 dates the 
drop dead dates for the member states?



And, will ETSI finish it's revision process of it's RED standards by then? Just 
curious on this one.



I look forward to you reply.



Best regards,

Ron Pickard

Sent from my smartphone



-- Original message--

From: John Woodgate

Date: Mon, Mar 2, 2015 12:59 PM

To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG;

Subject:Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU



In message 
000f424e.486384b410ff5...@rpqconsulting.commailto:%3c000f424e.486384b410ff5...@rpqconsulting.com,
 dated Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Ron Pickard (RPQ)  writes:As I believe as Mr. 
Woodgate pointed out earlier, these new directives have no legal standing 
until at least one member state enacts them into their own legal system. To my 
knowledge, that hasn't happened yet. Anyone have any info on this?There has 
been a new ruling on this from the Commission. One implementation is NOT 
ENOUGH: the Directives aren't valid until ALL member states have implemented 
them.I suppose this is because a member state could find a serious objection to 
implementation, which would put everything back in the melting pot.-- OOO - Own 
Opinions Only. With best wishes. See 
www.jmwa.demon.co.ukhttp://www.jmwa.demon.co.ukWhen I turn my back on the 
sun, it's to look for a rainbowJohn Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, 
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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[RPQ]

So, how then would one know that ALL member states have implemented these 
directives? Would it be officially announced (OJ?) or are the 2016 dates the 
drop dead dates for the member states?
And, will ETSI finish it's revision process of it's RED standards by then? Just 
curious on this one.
I look forward to you reply.
Best regards,Ron PickardSent from my smartphone




-- Original message--From: John WoodgateDate: Mon, Mar 2, 2015 12:59 
PMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG;Subject:Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for 
EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU
In message 000f424e.486384b410ff5...@rpqconsulting.com, dated Mon, 2 Mar 
2015, Ron Pickard (RPQ)  writes:As I believe as Mr. Woodgate pointed out 
earlier, these new directives have no legal standing until at least one member 
state enacts them into their own legal system. To my knowledge, that hasn't 
happened yet. Anyone have any info on this?There has been a new ruling on this 
from the Commission. One implementation is NOT ENOUGH: the Directives aren't 
valid until ALL member states have implemented them.I suppose this is because a 
member state could find a serious objection to implementation, which would put 
everything back in the melting pot.-- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best 
wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.ukWhen I turn my back on the sun, it's to look 
for a rainbowJohn Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex 
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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[John Woodgate]

In message 000f424e.280b0b5d62a60...@rpqconsulting.com, dated Mon, 2 
Mar 2015, Ron Pickard (RPQ) rpick...@rpqconsulting.com writes:


So, how then would one know that ALL member states have implemented 
these directives? Would it be officially announced (OJ?)


I don't know.


or are the 2016 dates the drop dead dates for the member states?


Yes.


And, will ETSI finish it's revision process of it's RED standards by 
then? Just curious on this one.


What do you think?
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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Kunde, Brian]

When you say, applicable from 20 April 2016 does that the date in which we 
can start declaring to the new directives or the date in which everything must 
be declared by?
If the later, when can we start declaring to the new directives?
Thanks,
The Other Brian

From: Ronald Wellman [mailto:rwell...@wellman.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 12:48 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

Maybe the lists are not published yet, because of the following:

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/electrical/lvd/

The new  LVD Directive 2014/35/EU of the European Parliament and of the Council 
of 26 February 2014 on the harmonisation of the laws of the Member States 
relating to the making available on the market of electrical equipment designed 
for use within certain voltage limits 
(recast)http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:JOL_2014_096_R_0357_01from=EN
 (all 
languageshttp://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:OJ.L_.2014.096.01.0357.01.ENG),
 aligned to the New Legislative 
Frameworkhttp://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies/single-market-goods/internal-market-for-products/new-legislative-framework/index_en.htm,
 will be applicable from 20 April 2016.

and,

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/electrical/emc/index_en.htm

The new  EMC Directive 2014/30/EU of the European Parliament and of the Council 
of 26 February 2014  on the harmonisation of the laws of the Member States 
relating to electromagnetic compatibility 
(recast)http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:JOL_2014_096_R_0079_01qid=1396511671603from=EN
 (all 
languageshttp://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:OJ.L_.2014.096.01.0079.01.ENG),
 aligned to the New Legislative 
Frameworkhttp://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies/single-market-goods/internal-market-for-products/new-legislative-framework/index_en.htm,
 will be applicable from 20 April 2016.

Best regards,
Ron Wellman

From: Helge Knudsen [mailto:0464c9eeb744-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org]
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 7:52 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

Hello Monrad,

There  are not any listings for the new versions of the EU directives yet.

Best regards
Helge Knudsen
Denmark

From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com]
Sent: 28. februar 2015 01:25
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

Does anyone have a link to the latest list of harmonized standards for the EMC 
Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU?

The Europa web page I use to find the link for the latest listing of harmonized 
standards does not even list the latest revision directives. 
(http://www.newapproach.org/Directives/DirectiveList.asp)  While the earlier 
revision directives are not repealed until 20 April 2016, these new directives 
published in 2014 have already entered into force and application.

The latest harmonized standard listings I can find are below:

  *   16 May 2014 for Low Voltage Directive 2006/95/EC:  
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=uriserv:OJ.C_.2014.149.01.0033.01.ENG
 (Does not list EN62368-1 which was published August 2014.)
  *   16 January 2015 for EMC Directive 2004/108/EC:  
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=uriserv:OJ.C_.2015.014.01.0001.01.ENG

Thanks.
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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Ronald R. Wellman]

Not my wording. I recommend you wait until further information is
available from the website to make a decision on how to declare to the
newer Directives.


 


 When you say, applicable from 20 April 2016 does that
the date in which

 we can start declaring to the new directives or the date in which

 everything must be declared by?

 If the later, when can we start declaring to the new directives?

 Thanks,

 The Other Brian





From: Ronald Wellman [mailto:rwell...@wellman.com]

 Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 12:48 PM

 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG

 Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive
2014/30/EU and

 Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU



 Maybe the lists are not published yet, because of the following:



 http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/electrical/lvd/



 The new LVD Directive 2014/35/EU of the European Parliament and of
the

 Council of 26 February 2014 on the harmonisation of the laws of the
Member

 States relating to the making available on the market of
electrical

 equipment designed for use within certain voltage limits


(recast)http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:JOL_2014_096_R_0357_01from=EN

 (all


languageshttp://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:OJ.L_.2014.096.01.0357.01.ENG),

 aligned to the New Legislative


Frameworkhttp://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies/single-market-goods/internal-market-for-products/new-legislative-framework/index_en.htm,

 will be applicable from 20 April 2016.



 and,




http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/electrical/emc/index_en.htm



 The new EMC Directive 2014/30/EU of the European Parliament and of
the

 Council of 26 February 2014 on the harmonisation of the laws of
the

 Member States relating to electromagnetic compatibility


(recast)http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:JOL_2014_096_R_0079_01qid=1396511671603from=EN

 (all


languageshttp://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:OJ.L_.2014.096.01.0079.01.ENG),

 aligned to the New Legislative


Frameworkhttp://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies/single-market-goods/internal-market-for-products/new-legislative-framework/index_en.htm,

 will be applicable from 20 April 2016.



 Best regards,

 Ron Wellman





From: Helge Knudsen [mailto:0464c9eeb744-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org]

 Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 7:52 AM

 To:
EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG

 Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive
2014/30/EU and

 Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU



 Hello Monrad,



 There are not any listings for the new versions of the EU directives
yet.



 Best regards

 Helge Knudsen

 Denmark





From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com]

 Sent: 28. februar 2015 01:25

 To:
EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG

 Subject: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU
and Low

 Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU



 Does anyone have a link to the latest list of harmonized standards
for the

 EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU?



 The Europa web page I use to find the link for the latest listing
of

 harmonized standards does not even list the latest revision
directives.

 (http://www.newapproach.org/Directives/DirectiveList.asp) While
the

 earlier revision directives are not repealed until 20 April 2016,
these

 new directives published in 2014 have already entered into force
and

 application.



 The latest harmonized standard listings I can find are below:



 * 16 May 2014 for Low Voltage Directive 2006/95/EC:


http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=uriserv:OJ.C_.2014.149.01.0033.01.ENG

 (Does not list EN62368-1 which was published August 2014.)

 * 16 January 2015 for EMC Directive 2004/108/EC:


http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=uriserv:OJ.C_.2015.014.01.0001.01.ENG



 Thanks.

 Monrad Monsen | Worldwide Compliance Officer

 Phone: +13032729612tel:+13032729612 | Fax: +13032724867

 Oracle Compliance Engineering

 500 Eldorado Blvd | Broomfield, CO 80021

 Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help
protect

 the environment

Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[RPQ]

As I believe as Mr. Woodgate pointed out earlier, these new directives have 
no legal standing until at least one member state enacts them into their own 
legal system. To my knowledge, that hasn't happened yet. Anyone have any info 
on this?
I look forward to you reply.
Best regards,Ron PickardSent from my smartphone




-- Original message--From: Ronald R. WellmanDate: Mon, Mar 2, 2015 
12:22 PMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG;Subject:Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards 
for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU
Not my wording. I recommend you wait until further information 
isavailable from the website to make a decision on how to declare to thenewer 
Directives. When you say, applicable from 20 April 2016 does 
thatthe date in which
 we can start declaring to the new directives or the date in which
 everything must be declared by?
 If the later, when can we start declaring to the new directives?
 Thanks,
 The Other Brian


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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[John Woodgate]

In message 000f424e.486384b410ff5...@rpqconsulting.com, dated Mon, 2 
Mar 2015, Ron Pickard (RPQ) rpick...@rpqconsulting.com writes:


As I believe as Mr. Woodgate pointed out earlier, these new directives 
have no legal standing until at least one member state enacts them into 
their own legal system. To my knowledge, that hasn't happened yet. 
Anyone have any info on this?


There has been a new ruling on this from the Commission. One 
implementation is NOT ENOUGH: the Directives aren't valid until ALL 
member states have implemented them.


I suppose this is because a member state could find a serious objection 
to implementation, which would put everything back in the melting pot.

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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Charlie Blackham]

The first date you can declare compliance with these new Directive is 20 April 
2016.

2014/30/EU Article 46 states ... Article 1, Article 2, points (1) to (8) 
of Article 3(1), Article 3(2), Article 5(2) and (3), Article 6, Article 13, 
Article 19(3) and Annex I shall apply from 20 April 2016.
2014/35/EU article 28 states  Article 1, the second paragraph of Article 
3, Article 5, Article 13(2) and (3) and Annexes I, V and VI shall apply from 20 
April 2016.

New Directives normally come into force when enacted into National Law of at 
least one member state, however these Directives, the new Radio Equipment 
Directive (and presumably the other NLF alignment Directives) are different in 
that they have a specific start date written into the Directive, that will be 
transposed into National Law along with the rest of the Directive, thus giving 
the prescribed start date.

The changes in EMC and LV are essentially administrative for manufacturers so 
an instant switchover is being implemented. As the RED includes a number of 
changes, including to its scope,  a 12 month transition period is provided.

It is (unofficially) recognised that this presents somewhat of an 
administrative burden and the responsible UK government department (BIS) 
recently told attendees at a UK EMCTLA seminar hat there was a Gentleman's 
agreement amongst enforcement authorities that no one was going to be too 
concerned whether DoCs referenced new or existing Directives for the rest of 
2016 - but also that you're unlikely to get that in writing from anyone with 
appropriate authority :)

Just to confirm, you are also not allowed to declare to both old and new 
Directives on a single catch-all DoC.

Regards
Charlie

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From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: 02 March 2015 18:57
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

When you say, applicable from 20 April 2016 does that the date in which we 
can start declaring to the new directives or the date in which everything must 
be declared by?
If the later, when can we start declaring to the new directives?
Thanks,
The Other Brian

From: Ronald Wellman [mailto:rwell...@wellman.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 12:48 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

Maybe the lists are not published yet, because of the following:

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/electrical/lvd/

The new  LVD Directive 2014/35/EU of the European Parliament and of the Council 
of 26 February 2014 on the harmonisation of the laws of the Member States 
relating to the making available on the market of electrical equipment designed 
for use within certain voltage limits 
(recast)http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:JOL_2014_096_R_0357_01from=EN
 (all 
languageshttp://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:OJ.L_.2014.096.01.0357.01.ENG),
 aligned to the New Legislative 
Frameworkhttp://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies/single-market-goods/internal-market-for-products/new-legislative-framework/index_en.htm,
 will be applicable from 20 April 2016.

and,

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/electrical/emc/index_en.htm

The new  EMC Directive 2014/30/EU of the European Parliament and of the Council 
of 26 February 2014  on the harmonisation of the laws of the Member States 
relating to electromagnetic compatibility 
(recast)http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:JOL_2014_096_R_0079_01qid=1396511671603from=EN
 (all 
languageshttp://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:OJ.L_.2014.096.01.0079.01.ENG),
 aligned to the New Legislative 
Frameworkhttp://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies/single-market-goods/internal-market-for-products/new-legislative-framework/index_en.htm,
 will be applicable from 20 April 2016.

Best regards,
Ron Wellman

From: Helge Knudsen [mailto:0464c9eeb744-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org]
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 7:52 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

Hello Monrad,

There  are not any listings for the new versions of the EU directives yet.

Best regards
Helge Knudsen
Denmark

From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com]
Sent: 28. februar 2015 01:25
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low 
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

Does anyone have a link to the latest list

Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Helge Knudsen]

Hello Monrad,

 

There  are not any listings for the new versions of the EU directives yet.

 

Best regards

Helge Knudsen

Denmark 

 

From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com] 
Sent: 28. februar 2015 01:25
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

 

Does anyone have a link to the latest list of harmonized standards for the
EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU? 

The Europa web page I use to find the link for the latest listing of
harmonized standards does not even list the latest revision directives.
(http://www.newapproach.org/Directives/DirectiveList.asp)  While the earlier
revision directives are not repealed until 20 April 2016, these new
directives published in 2014 have already entered into force and
application.

The latest harmonized standard listings I can find are below:

*   16 May 2014 for Low Voltage Directive 2006/95/EC:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=uriserv:OJ.C_.2014.14
9.01.0033.01.ENG (Does not list EN62368-1 which was published August 2014.)
*   16 January 2015 for EMC Directive 2004/108/EC:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=uriserv:OJ.C_.2015.01
4.01.0001.01.ENG


Thanks.

Monrad Monsen | Worldwide Compliance Officer
Phone: +13032729612 | Fax: +13032724867 
Oracle Compliance Engineering
500 Eldorado Blvd | Broomfield, CO 80021 
Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect
the environment 

 

 

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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Ronald Wellman]

Maybe the lists are not published yet, because of the following:

 

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/electrical/lvd/

 

The new
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:JOL_2014_096_R_03
57_01from=EN LVD Directive 2014/35/EU of the European Parliament and of
the Council of 26 February 2014 on the harmonisation of the laws of the
Member States relating to the making available on the market of electrical
equipment designed for use within certain voltage limits (recast) (
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:OJ.L_.2014.096.0
1.0357.01.ENG all languages), aligned to the
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies/single-market-goods/internal-market
-for-products/new-legislative-framework/index_en.htm New Legislative
Framework, will be applicable from 20 April 2016.

 

and,

 

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/electrical/emc/index_en.htm

 

The new
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:JOL_2014_096_R_00
79_01qid=1396511671603from=EN EMC Directive 2014/30/EU of the European
Parliament and of the Council of 26 February 2014  on the harmonisation of
the laws of the Member States relating to electromagnetic compatibility
(recast) (
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:OJ.L_.2014.096.0
1.0079.01.ENG all languages), aligned to the
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies/single-market-goods/internal-market
-for-products/new-legislative-framework/index_en.htm New Legislative
Framework, will be applicable from 20 April 2016.

 

Best regards,

Ron Wellman

 

From: Helge Knudsen [mailto:0464c9eeb744-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] 
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 7:52 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and
Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

 

Hello Monrad,

 

There  are not any listings for the new versions of the EU directives yet.

 

Best regards

Helge Knudsen

Denmark 

 

From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com] 
Sent: 28. februar 2015 01:25
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
Subject: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low
Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

 

Does anyone have a link to the latest list of harmonized standards for the
EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU? 

The Europa web page I use to find the link for the latest listing of
harmonized standards does not even list the latest revision directives.
(http://www.newapproach.org/Directives/DirectiveList.asp)  While the earlier
revision directives are not repealed until 20 April 2016, these new
directives published in 2014 have already entered into force and
application.

The latest harmonized standard listings I can find are below:

*   16 May 2014 for Low Voltage Directive 2006/95/EC:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=uriserv:OJ.C_.2014.14
9.01.0033.01.ENG (Does not list EN62368-1 which was published August 2014.)
*   16 January 2015 for EMC Directive 2004/108/EC:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=uriserv:OJ.C_.2015.01
4.01.0001.01.ENG


Thanks.

Monrad Monsen | Worldwide Compliance Officer
Phone: +13032729612 tel:+13032729612  | Fax: +13032724867
fax:+13032724867  
Oracle Compliance Engineering
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[PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[Monrad Monsen]

Does anyone have a link to the latest list of harmonized standards for 
the EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU?


The Europa web page I use to find the link for the latest listing of 
harmonized standards does not even list the latest revision directives. 
(http://www.newapproach.org/Directives/DirectiveList.asp)  While the 
earlier revision directives are not repealed until 20 April 2016, these 
new directives published in 2014 have already entered into force and 
application.


The latest harmonized standard listings I can find are below:

 * 16 May 2014 for Low Voltage Directive 2006/95/EC:
   
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=uriserv:OJ.C_.2014.149.01.0033.01.ENG
   (Does not list EN62368-1 which was published August 2014.)
 * 16 January 2015 for EMC Directive 2004/108/EC:
   
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=uriserv:OJ.C_.2015.014.01.0001.01.ENG


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Re: [PSES] OJ List of Harmonised Standards for New EMC Directive

[John Woodgate]

In message 
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Wed, 11 Jun 2014, itl-emc user group itl...@itl.co.il writes:


As there is no list as yet, to which Directive should a product be 
declared , 2004/108/EC or 2014/30/EU?


You can't cite 2014/30/EU until at least one Member State has enacted it 
in national law. You can continue to cite 2004/108/EU because when the 
new Directive becomes validated references to the old one will be 
regarded as references to the new one.

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[PSES] OJ List of Harmonised Standards for New EMC Directive

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Any indications as to when a list of harmonised standards to the new EMC 
Directive will be published?
As there is no list as yet, to which Directive should a product be declared , 
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Re: [PSES] Retailer vs. Distributor RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

[Hay, Ed]

Hi All,

I'm surprised to see all these questions  These exact same requirements
have been in the Recast ROHS Directive and mandatory since Jan 13. So if
for example you are an EU manufacturer placing goods on the EU market you
MUST place your address on the product as per Art 7h(unless size does not
permit etc etc).. There is nothing new in the EMC and LVD Recasts, they are
just coming into line with all the other Directives that have previously
had the NLF requirements applied to them.

Cheers
Ed


On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:56 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert
Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote:

 As far as i understand the idea behind
 the new directives is to put liability
 for compliance at the whole supply chain.
 In the past, too often an importer (liable in the old directive)
 could not be held responsible/liable because
 he did not exist, had disappeared
 or simply could not be found, leaving the EU with
 a non-compliant product and no-one to blame.
 (while not EMC, see RAPEX-listings for
  100s of anonymous non complaint products)
 By including the whole chain the commission
 decided it would be more easy to enforce.

 So I doubt that the subtle differences between
 importer, distributor of retailer as
 laid out in this discussion will mean something
 for liability in this respect.

 Neither do I believe that to ensure or to verify
 will lead to a different position of the enforcement
 authorities in respect to these parties. The words
 only reflect the action the different parties
 they need to take to ensure
 -i repeat- ensure that only compliant products
 are made available to the market or put into service on the market

 The verification action is no different from the ensuring
 action, in that both require any person in the supply chain
 to be able to provide prove a safe product is will be sold.
 (prove  in the classical sense of ec directives)

 This can mean that he requests proof of compliance from
 the manufacturer, or any person in the supply chain above.

 It will also lead to a substantial changes
 in sales contracts between partners in the supply chain.

 While the  authorities can and will use public right
 to charge any available agent in the chain, the consequences
 for liability between chain partners will need to be covered with civil
 right. And that is quite another beast.



 Regards,

 Ing.  Gert Gremmen, BSc



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 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
 Van: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com]
 Verzonden: Friday, April 25, 2014 5:02 PM
 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
 Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] Retailer vs. Distributor RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New
 EMC Directive

 All

 These new NLF aligned Directives are just Directive at present.
 None have yet been implemented in national legislation and there is also
 no official guidance.

 I think we may need to wait (quite) a few months before there is more
 clarification in this area.

 The new sections on obligations of importers and of distributors are
 designed to allow better market enforcement. Since this is actually done at
 national level, under national legislation:
 - it will be interesting to see what gets implemented in that legislation
 - what (subtle) differences there are between different countries in their
 implementation.

 Regards
 Charlie

 -Original Message-
 From: Crane, Lauren [mailto:lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com]
 Sent: 25 April 2014 15:49
 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
 Subject: [PSES] Retailer vs. Distributor RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC
 Directive

 In the eyes of the new legislative framework (and other legislation
 groups),  retailers are the same as distributors (or at least a retailer is
 a type of distributor). A specific natural or legal person might be a
 couple economic operators. It is possible to be both a manufacture and a
 distributor, for example.

 Many Commission discussions of the NLF use a phrase like distributors
 (including retailers)

 Sometimes retailer is an exact substitute for distributor (rather than
 a subset). For example, regarding battery legislation, this explanation
 from UK guidance THE WASTE BATTERIES AND ACCUMULATORS REGULATIONS 2009
 Government Guidance Notes May 2011 Examples of distributors are:
 -- A retailer that buys packs of batteries from a UK supplier and then
 sells them to end users
 -- A wholesaler that buys batteries from a UK supplier and sells both to
 end users and retail outlets
 -- A company that supplies batteries free-of-charge as part of a
 promotion, even if they do not normally sell batteries.
 Examples of companies that are both distributors and producers [LC equiv.
 to manufacturer in battery reg. speak] are:
 -- A business that imports and places batteries on the UK market and also
 sell them through their own retail outlet or network of outlets

[PSES] New EMC Directive ... EU Parliament or EU Commission ...

[Amund Westin]

When you read the New EMC Directive, are the directive words from the EU 
Commission or the EU Parliament? I mean, when they introduce the requirements 
for Economic operators, is this a requirement initiated from the Commission 
or the Parliament?

The reason is that I often hear people says The EU commission have made a new 
EMC directive . I never hear the qoute EU Parliament have made a new EMC 
directive..., even though the Parliament have written and signed the directive.

I try to sort out all this terms ...

Best regards
Amund

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Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive ... EU Parliament or EU Commission ...

[Anthony Thomson]

Hello Amund,

For those interested in the inner workings of the United States of Europe (and 
friends), it's all perfectly clearly explained here ;-)

http://europa.eu/about-eu/institutions-bodies/index_en.htm

And here, and here and here.

http://ec.europa.eu/index_en.htm (Commission)
http://europa.eu/about-eu/institutions-bodies/council-eu/index_en.htm (Council)
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/portal/en (Parliament)

Regards,
T
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Sent: 04/28/14 11:30 AM
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Subject: [PSES] New EMC Directive ... EU Parliament or EU Commission ...

When you read the New EMC Directive, are the directive words from the EU 
Commission or the EU Parliament? I mean, when they introduce the requirements 
for Economic operators, is this a requirement initiated from the Commission 
or the Parliament? The reason is that I often hear people says The EU 
commission have made a new EMC directive . I never hear the qoute EU 
Parliament have made a new EMC directive..., even though the Parliament have 
written and signed the directive. I try to sort out all this terms ... Best 
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Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive ... EU Parliament or EU Commission ...

[ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen]

They  are parliament approved commission proposals.

Regards,

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-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] 
Verzonden: Monday, April 28, 2014 12:31 PM
Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Onderwerp: [PSES] New EMC Directive ... EU Parliament or EU Commission ...

When you read the New EMC Directive, are the directive words from the EU 
Commission or the EU Parliament? I mean, when they introduce the requirements 
for Economic operators, is this a requirement initiated from the Commission 
or the Parliament?

The reason is that I often hear people says The EU commission have made a new 
EMC directive . I never hear the qoute EU Parliament have made a new EMC 
directive..., even though the Parliament have written and signed the directive.

I try to sort out all this terms ...

Best regards
Amund

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Re: [PSES] Retailer vs. Distributor RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

[Brian Oconnell]

If your message is understood, published directives have no meaning until each 
member state publishes a statue that implements the respective directive; and 
that each member state could publish implementation statues that do not contain 
the original intent and/or meaning of the directive. Probably confused because 
moi hath only spake redneck.

Brian


From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] 
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 2:22 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Retailer vs. Distributor RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC 
Directive

Hi Han,

Blue Guide 2014 par 1.4 on liability:

Liability, the responsibility to pay for damages, is placed on the producer. A 
producer is either a manufacturer of a finished product 
or a component part of a finished product, producer of any raw material, or any 
person who presents himself as a manufacturer 
(for example by affixing a trademark). Importers placing products on the Union 
market from third countries are all considered to 
be producers under the Directive on product liability. If the producer cannot 
be identified, each supplier of the product becomes 
liable, unless he informs the injured person within a reasonable time of the 
identity of the producer, or of the person who supplied 
him with the product. When several persons are liable for the same damage, they 
are all jointly and severally liable.

On the Importer (par 3.3)
The importer must ensure that the manufacturer has correctly fulfilled his 
obligations.  The importer is not a simple re-seller of    
products, but has a key role to play in guaranteeing the compliance of imported 
products.
(note the use of the word “ensure”)

On the distributor (par 3.4)
Distributors have an obligation to demonstrate to the national market 
surveillance authority 
that they have acted with due care and ensure that the manufacturer, or his 
authorised representative, or the person who 
provided him with the product has taken the measures required by the applicable 
Union harmonisation legislation as listed in the 
obligations for distributors.
(note again the use of the word “ensure” even if used in combination with due 
care)


It is clear that the expectations of the EU are different for all 3 partners
(manufacturer, importer and distributor(reseller) in respect to the 
actions they need to perform (verify / ensure / prove / provide / hold 
available /affix ce) ,
but it is equally clear that the liability is shared by the all partners 
equally.

This means that if a million products have to be recalled for non-compliance
and the manufacturer and importer are unknown or have gone broke, the
final selling partner is meant to be liable…

(unless he is victim of fraud of course, but then the question is if
he really did due care or not….)

And finally , the directives texts will be determining, not the blue guide, 
and in fact the translation of the directive in the national laws
of the member states will be used in court.
And those will be different in details for any directive and
any translation, so you may might be right after all Han. ;))


Regards,

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Re: [PSES] Retailer vs. Distributor RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

[Charlie Blackham]

Brian

The EU produces a number of pieces of legislation:

EU Directive have no power until implemented into National Legislation. 
Determination of compliance and prosecution is done by national bodies under 
national legislation
They should be implemented without modification or gold plating, but . . . . 

EU Regulations are law from moment they are published

EU Decisions are just guidance to be considered when legislation is made

Unsurprisingly, Brussels like Regulations . . . 

Regards
Charlie

-Original Message-
From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] 
Sent: 27 April 2014 21:04
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Retailer vs. Distributor RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC 
Directive

If your message is understood, published directives have no meaning until each 
member state publishes a statue that implements the respective directive; and 
that each member state could publish implementation statues that do not contain 
the original intent and/or meaning of the directive. Probably confused because 
moi hath only spake redneck.

Brian


From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl]
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 2:22 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Retailer vs. Distributor RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC 
Directive

Hi Han,

Blue Guide 2014 par 1.4 on liability:

Liability, the responsibility to pay for damages, is placed on the producer. A 
producer is either a manufacturer of a finished product or a component part of 
a finished product, producer of any raw material, or any person who presents 
himself as a manufacturer (for example by affixing a trademark). Importers 
placing products on the Union market from third countries are all considered to 
be producers under the Directive on product liability. If the producer cannot 
be identified, each supplier of the product becomes liable, unless he informs 
the injured person within a reasonable time of the identity of the producer, or 
of the person who supplied him with the product. When several persons are 
liable for the same damage, they are all jointly and severally liable.

On the Importer (par 3.3)
The importer must ensure that the manufacturer has correctly fulfilled his 
obligations.  The importer is not a simple re-seller of products, but has a key 
role to play in guaranteeing the compliance of imported products.
(note the use of the word “ensure”)

On the distributor (par 3.4)
Distributors have an obligation to demonstrate to the national market 
surveillance authority that they have acted with due care and ensure that the 
manufacturer, or his authorised representative, or the person who provided him 
with the product has taken the measures required by the applicable Union 
harmonisation legislation as listed in the obligations for distributors.
(note again the use of the word “ensure” even if used in combination with due 
care)


It is clear that the expectations of the EU are different for all 3 partners 
(manufacturer, importer and distributor(reseller) in respect to the actions 
they need to perform (verify / ensure / prove / provide / hold available /affix 
ce) , but it is equally clear that the liability is shared by the all partners 
equally.

This means that if a million products have to be recalled for non-compliance 
and the manufacturer and importer are unknown or have gone broke, the final 
selling partner is meant to be liable…

(unless he is victim of fraud of course, but then the question is if he really 
did due care or not….)

And finally , the directives texts will be determining, not the blue guide, and 
in fact the translation of the directive in the national laws of the member 
states will be used in court.
And those will be different in details for any directive and any translation, 
so you may might be right after all Han. ;))


Regards,

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Re: [PSES] Retailer vs. Distributor RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

[ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen]

As far as i understand the idea behind
the new directives is to put liability
for compliance at the whole supply chain.
In the past, too often an importer (liable in the old directive)
could not be held responsible/liable because
he did not exist, had disappeared
or simply could not be found, leaving the EU with
a non-compliant product and no-one to blame.
(while not EMC, see RAPEX-listings for
 100s of anonymous non complaint products)
By including the whole chain the commission
decided it would be more easy to enforce.

So I doubt that the subtle differences between
importer, distributor of retailer as
laid out in this discussion will mean something
for liability in this respect.

Neither do I believe that to ensure or to verify
will lead to a different position of the enforcement
authorities in respect to these parties. The words
only reflect the action the different parties
they need to take to ensure
-i repeat- ensure that only compliant products 
are made available to the market or put into service on the market

The verification action is no different from the ensuring
action, in that both require any person in the supply chain
to be able to provide prove a safe product is will be sold.  
(prove  in the classical sense of ec directives)

This can mean that he requests proof of compliance from
the manufacturer, or any person in the supply chain above.

It will also lead to a substantial changes
in sales contracts between partners in the supply chain.

While the  authorities can and will use public right
to charge any available agent in the chain, the consequences
for liability between chain partners will need to be covered with civil right. 
And that is quite another beast.



Regards,

Ing.  Gert Gremmen, BSc



g.grem...@cetest.nl
www.cetest.nl

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Van: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com] 
Verzonden: Friday, April 25, 2014 5:02 PM
Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] Retailer vs. Distributor RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC 
Directive

All

These new NLF aligned Directives are just Directive at present.
None have yet been implemented in national legislation and there is also no 
official guidance.

I think we may need to wait (quite) a few months before there is more 
clarification in this area.

The new sections on obligations of importers and of distributors are designed 
to allow better market enforcement. Since this is actually done at national 
level, under national legislation:
- it will be interesting to see what gets implemented in that legislation
- what (subtle) differences there are between different countries in their 
implementation.

Regards
Charlie

-Original Message-
From: Crane, Lauren [mailto:lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com]
Sent: 25 April 2014 15:49
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Retailer vs. Distributor RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

In the eyes of the new legislative framework (and other legislation groups),  
retailers are the same as distributors (or at least a retailer is a type of 
distributor). A specific natural or legal person might be a couple economic 
operators. It is possible to be both a manufacture and a distributor, for 
example. 

Many Commission discussions of the NLF use a phrase like distributors 
(including retailers)

Sometimes retailer is an exact substitute for distributor (rather than a 
subset). For example, regarding battery legislation, this explanation from UK 
guidance THE WASTE BATTERIES AND ACCUMULATORS REGULATIONS 2009 Government 
Guidance Notes May 2011 Examples of distributors are:
-- A retailer that buys packs of batteries from a UK supplier and then sells 
them to end users
-- A wholesaler that buys batteries from a UK supplier and sells both to end 
users and retail outlets
-- A company that supplies batteries free-of-charge as part of a promotion, 
even if they do not normally sell batteries.
Examples of companies that are both distributors and producers [LC equiv. to 
manufacturer in battery reg. speak] are:
-- A business that imports and places batteries on the UK market and also sell 
them through their own retail outlet or network of outlets.
-- A business that has purchased batteries wholesale from a UK supplier and 
then sells the batteries on to end-users would be a distributor; if that same 
business also imports calculators that include batteries into the UK and also 
sells these on to end-users, then the business would also be a producer of the 
batteries in the calculator.

The Irish batteries regulation is written in terms of retailer even though 
the directive is written in terms of distributor, but actions attributed to 
this economic actor (the retailer) in the Irish legislation are acts of 
distribution  

Just a guess - but I imagine a difference between a distributor and a retailer 
may appear

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

[John Woodgate]

In message 20140425.073410.415869030.vef00...@nifty.ne.jp, dated Fri, 
25 Apr 2014, T. Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp writes:


I thought all retailers are also distributors under the new EMC 
directive, as they are in the supply chain.


Am I missing something?


The two words have different meanings. As I said, some companies do 
both. Just as an example, a distributor might or might not have a 'trade 
counter' where professionals can go to buy stuff, but they normally take 
orders by phone or on-line and send stuff from their warehouses, whereas 
retailers have shops/stores where the general public go.

--
OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk
Nondum ex silvis sumus
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK

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Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

[Anthony Thomson]

In the context of the EMC Directive, Distributor is defined within the 
directive’s (2014/30/EU) Article 3, Definitions. Item (14) states 
‘distributor’ means any natural or legal person in the supply chain, other 
than the manufacturer or the importer, who makes apparatus available on the 
market;.
It is also interesting to note that the directive's Definitions specifically 
differentiate between placing on the market and making available on the 
market. 
Article 3, Definitions, item (9) states ‘making available on the market’ means 
any supply of apparatus for distribution, consumption or use on the Union 
market in the course of a commercial activity, whether in return for payment or 
free of charge;.
Note the circular reference. Distributors can ‘make available’ to other 
distributors (or for consumption/use). It is therefore possible to have 
multiple distributors in the supply chain, which includes the final distributor 
supplying the apparatus to the end user, or in directive speak 'making 
available on the market for consumption or use', i.e. whoever sells or supplies 
it last.
So according to the directive we could have: Manufacturer == Shipper == [EU] 
Importer == Distributor 1 =//= Distributor n == Consumer/End User.
Now it gets interesting. Article 10 of the directive sets out the Obligations 
of distributors which essentially states that the 'distributor' shall ensure 
that:
* Apparatus bears the CE mark
* Required documents are present
* Article 18 is met (information regarding precautions, restrictions, intended 
use)
* Annex I, Essential Requirements are met (the technical stuff)
* Stored  transported such that Annex I requirements are not compromised
* Any non-compliant goods already sold are fixed or recalled
* Have documentation available demonstrating compliance (TCF ?)
So all you wholesalers, trade distributors, chain-store buyers, mail order 
companies, internet retailers, market traders, stall holders, eBay sellers, 
small shop owners and fencers of stolen goods... you'd better make sure you 
understand and fulfil your obligations under Directive 2014/30/EU of the 
European Parliament.
What could possibly go wrong?
T
- Original Message -
From: John Woodgate
Sent: 04/25/14 07:14 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

In message 20140425.073410.415869030.vef00...@nifty.ne.jp, dated Fri, 25 Apr 
2014, T. Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp writes: I thought all retailers are also 
distributors under the new EMC directive, as they are in the supply chain.  
Am I missing something? The two words have different meanings. As I said, some 
companies do both. Just as an example, a distributor might or might not have a 
'trade counter' where professionals can go to buy stuff, but they normally take 
orders by phone or on-line and send stuff from their warehouses, whereas 
retailers have shops/stores where the general public go. -- OOO - Own Opinions 
Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Nondum ex silvis sumus John 
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Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

[Anthony Thomson]

In the context of the EMC Directive, Distributor is defined within the 
directive’s (2014/30/EU) Article 3, Definitions. Item (14) states 
‘distributor’ means any natural or legal person in the supply chain, other 
than the manufacturer or the importer, who makes apparatus available on the 
market;.

It is also interesting to note that the directive's Definitions specifically 
differentiate between placing on the market and making available on the 
market.

Article 3, Definitions, item (9) states ‘making available on the market’ means 
any supply of apparatus for distribution, consumption or use on the Union 
market in the course of a commercial activity, whether in return for payment or 
free of charge;.

Note the circular reference. Distributors can ‘make available’ to other 
distributors (or for consumption/use). It is therefore possible to have 
multiple distributors in the supply chain, which includes the final distributor 
supplying the apparatus to the end user, or in directive speak 'making 
available on the market for consumption or use', i.e. whoever sells or supplies 
it last. 

So according to the directive we could have: Manufacturer == Shipper == [EU] 
Importer == Distributor 1 =//= Distributor n == Consumer/End User.

Now it gets interesting. Article 10 of the directive sets out the Obligations 
of distributors which essentially states that the 'distributor' shall ensure 
that:

* Apparatus bears the CE mark
* Required documents are present
* Article 18 is met (information regarding precautions, restrictions, intended 
use)
* Annex I, Essential Requirements are met (the technical stuff)
* Stored  transported such that Annex I requirements are not compromised
* Any non-compliant goods already sold are fixed or recalled
* Have documentation available demonstrating compliance (TCF ?)

So all you wholesalers, trade distributors, chain-store buyers, mail order 
companies, internet retailers, market traders, stall holders, eBay sellers, 
small shop owners and fencers of stolen goods... you'd better make sure you 
understand and fulfil your obligations under Directive 2014/30/EU of the 
European Parliament.

What could possibly go wrong?

T
- Original Message -
From: John Woodgate
Sent: 04/25/14 07:14 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

In message 20140425.073410.415869030.vef00...@nifty.ne.jp, dated Fri, 25 Apr 
2014, T. Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp writes: I thought all retailers are also 
distributors under the new EMC directive, as they are in the supply chain.  
Am I missing something? The two words have different meanings. As I said, some 
companies do both. Just as an example, a distributor might or might not have a 
'trade counter' where professionals can go to buy stuff, but they normally take 
orders by phone or on-line and send stuff from their warehouses, whereas 
retailers have shops/stores where the general public go. -- OOO - Own Opinions 
Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Nondum ex silvis sumus John 
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Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

[Jim Hulbert]

But there are also retailers who do NOT have shops/stores but only sell 
on-line.  So I think the definition of retailer is becoming murkier.

Jim

-Original Message-
From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 2:15 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

In message 20140425.073410.415869030.vef00...@nifty.ne.jp, dated Fri,
25 Apr 2014, T. Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp writes:

I thought all retailers are also distributors under the new EMC
directive, as they are in the supply chain.

Am I missing something?

The two words have different meanings. As I said, some companies do both. Just 
as an example, a distributor might or might not have a 'trade counter' where 
professionals can go to buy stuff, but they normally take orders by phone or 
on-line and send stuff from their warehouses, whereas retailers have 
shops/stores where the general public go.
--
OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Nondum ex 
silvis sumus John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK

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Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

[Anthony Thomson]

Indeed Han, I stand corrected.

My paraphrasing is technically inaccurate and  /verification/ is of course the 
obligation incumbent on distributors.

Thank You,
Tony.
- Original Message -
From: Han Zuyderwijk
Sent: 04/25/14 12:49 PM
To: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org, Anthony Thomson
Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

Dear Anthony,

The term the EMC Directive used in article 10 is actually not ‘ensure’, but 
‘verify’. It seems insignificant, but the responsibilities are quite different. 
‘Ensure’ implies a legal liability for compliance. ‘Verify’ implies that you 
have to check whether your supplier has fulfilled their responsibilities.

A distributor must ‘verify’ all the things you referred to. The manufacturer 
(within or outside the Union (=EEA + Turkey) and where applicable, the importer 
must ensure the compliance. The fact that the importer must ‘ensure’ instead of 
‘verify’ means that when the manufacturer did not fulfil his/her obligations, 
the importer is responsible for making the product compliant before making the 
product available.

Kind regards,
Han

On April 25, 2014 at 3:34:36 PM, Anthony Thomson ( ton...@europe.com ) wrote:

In the context of the EMC Directive, Distributor is defined within the 
directive’s (2014/30/EU) Article 3, Definitions. Item (14) states 
‘distributor’ means any natural or legal person in the supply chain, other 
than the manufacturer or the importer, who makes apparatus available on the 
market;.
It is also interesting to note that the directive's Definitions specifically 
differentiate between placing on the market and making available on the 
market.
Article 3, Definitions, item (9) states ‘making available on the market’ means 
any supply of apparatus for distribution, consumption or use on the Union 
market in the course of a commercial activity, whether in return for payment or 
free of charge;.
Note the circular reference. Distributors can ‘make available’ to other 
distributors (or for consumption/use). It is therefore possible to have 
multiple distributors in the supply chain, which includes the final distributor 
supplying the apparatus to the end user, or in directive speak 'making 
available on the market for consumption or use', i.e. whoever sells or supplies 
it last.
So according to the directive we could have: Manufacturer == Shipper == [EU] 
Importer == Distributor 1 =//= Distributor n == Consumer/End User.
Now it gets interesting. Article 10 of the directive sets out the Obligations 
of distributors which essentially states that the 'distributor' shall ensure 
that:
* Apparatus bears the CE mark
* Required documents are present
* Article 18 is met (information regarding precautions, restrictions, intended 
use)
* Annex I, Essential Requirements are met (the technical stuff)
* Stored  transported such that Annex I requirements are not compromised
* Any non-compliant goods already sold are fixed or recalled
* Have documentation available demonstrating compliance (TCF ?)
So all you wholesalers, trade distributors, chain-store buyers, mail order 
companies, internet retailers, market traders, stall holders, eBay sellers, 
small shop owners and fencers of stolen goods... you'd better make sure you 
understand and fulfil your obligations under Directive 2014/30/EU of the 
European Parliament.
What could possibly go wrong?
T
- Original Message -
From: John Woodgate
Sent: 04/25/14 07:14 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

In message 20140425.073410.415869030.vef00...@nifty.ne.jp, dated Fri, 25 Apr 
2014, T. Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp writes: I thought all retailers are also 
distributors under the new EMC directive, as they are in the supply chain.  
Am I missing something? The two words have different meanings. As I said, some 
companies do both. Just as an example, a distributor might or might not have a 
'trade counter' where professionals can go to buy stuff, but they normally take 
orders by phone or on-line and send stuff from their warehouses, whereas 
retailers have shops/stores where the general public go. -- OOO - Own Opinions 
Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Nondum ex silvis sumus John 
Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - 
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[PSES] Retailer vs. Distributor RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

[Crane, Lauren]

In the eyes of the new legislative framework (and other legislation groups),  
retailers are the same as distributors (or at least a retailer is a type of 
distributor). A specific natural or legal person might be a couple economic 
operators. It is possible to be both a manufacture and a distributor, for 
example. 

Many Commission discussions of the NLF use a phrase like distributors 
(including retailers)

Sometimes retailer is an exact substitute for distributor (rather than a 
subset). For example, regarding battery legislation, this explanation from UK 
guidance THE WASTE BATTERIES AND ACCUMULATORS REGULATIONS 2009 Government 
Guidance Notes May 2011
Examples of distributors are:
-- A retailer that buys packs of batteries from a UK supplier and then sells 
them to end users
-- A wholesaler that buys batteries from a UK supplier and sells both to end 
users and retail outlets
-- A company that supplies batteries free-of-charge as part of a promotion, 
even if they do not normally sell batteries.
Examples of companies that are both distributors and producers [LC equiv. to 
manufacturer in battery reg. speak] are:
-- A business that imports and places batteries on the UK market and also sell 
them through their own retail outlet or network of outlets.
-- A business that has purchased batteries wholesale from a UK supplier and 
then sells the batteries on to end-users would be a distributor; if that same 
business also imports calculators that include batteries into the UK and also 
sells these on to end-users, then the business would also be a producer of the 
batteries in the calculator.

The Irish batteries regulation is written in terms of retailer even though 
the directive is written in terms of distributor, but actions attributed to 
this economic actor (the retailer) in the Irish legislation are acts of 
distribution  

Just a guess - but I imagine a difference between a distributor and a retailer 
may appear, and be significant, in regulations related to taxes, advertising, 
etc... 

Regards,
Lauren Crane
KLA-Tencor
-Original Message-
From: Jim Hulbert [mailto:jim.hulb...@pb.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 7:00 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

But there are also retailers who do NOT have shops/stores but only sell 
on-line.  So I think the definition of retailer is becoming murkier.

Jim

-Original Message-
From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 2:15 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

In message 20140425.073410.415869030.vef00...@nifty.ne.jp, dated Fri,
25 Apr 2014, T. Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp writes:

I thought all retailers are also distributors under the new EMC 
directive, as they are in the supply chain.

Am I missing something?

The two words have different meanings. As I said, some companies do both. Just 
as an example, a distributor might or might not have a 'trade counter' where 
professionals can go to buy stuff, but they normally take orders by phone or 
on-line and send stuff from their warehouses, whereas retailers have 
shops/stores where the general public go.
--
OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Nondum ex 
silvis sumus John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK

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Re: [PSES] Retailer vs. Distributor RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

[Charlie Blackham]

All

These new NLF aligned Directives are just Directive at present.
None have yet been implemented in national legislation and there is also no 
official guidance.

I think we may need to wait (quite) a few months before there is more 
clarification in this area.

The new sections on obligations of importers and of distributors are designed 
to allow better market enforcement. Since this is actually done at national 
level, under national legislation:
- it will be interesting to see what gets implemented in that legislation
- what (subtle) differences there are between different countries in their 
implementation.

Regards
Charlie

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From: Crane, Lauren [mailto:lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com] 
Sent: 25 April 2014 15:49
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Retailer vs. Distributor RE: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

In the eyes of the new legislative framework (and other legislation groups),  
retailers are the same as distributors (or at least a retailer is a type of 
distributor). A specific natural or legal person might be a couple economic 
operators. It is possible to be both a manufacture and a distributor, for 
example. 

Many Commission discussions of the NLF use a phrase like distributors 
(including retailers)

Sometimes retailer is an exact substitute for distributor (rather than a 
subset). For example, regarding battery legislation, this explanation from UK 
guidance THE WASTE BATTERIES AND ACCUMULATORS REGULATIONS 2009 Government 
Guidance Notes May 2011 Examples of distributors are:
-- A retailer that buys packs of batteries from a UK supplier and then sells 
them to end users
-- A wholesaler that buys batteries from a UK supplier and sells both to end 
users and retail outlets
-- A company that supplies batteries free-of-charge as part of a promotion, 
even if they do not normally sell batteries.
Examples of companies that are both distributors and producers [LC equiv. to 
manufacturer in battery reg. speak] are:
-- A business that imports and places batteries on the UK market and also sell 
them through their own retail outlet or network of outlets.
-- A business that has purchased batteries wholesale from a UK supplier and 
then sells the batteries on to end-users would be a distributor; if that same 
business also imports calculators that include batteries into the UK and also 
sells these on to end-users, then the business would also be a producer of the 
batteries in the calculator.

The Irish batteries regulation is written in terms of retailer even though 
the directive is written in terms of distributor, but actions attributed to 
this economic actor (the retailer) in the Irish legislation are acts of 
distribution  

Just a guess - but I imagine a difference between a distributor and a retailer 
may appear, and be significant, in regulations related to taxes, advertising, 
etc... 

Regards,
Lauren Crane
KLA-Tencor
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From: Jim Hulbert [mailto:jim.hulb...@pb.com]
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 7:00 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

But there are also retailers who do NOT have shops/stores but only sell 
on-line.  So I think the definition of retailer is becoming murkier.

Jim

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From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
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Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

In message 20140425.073410.415869030.vef00...@nifty.ne.jp, dated Fri,
25 Apr 2014, T. Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp writes:

I thought all retailers are also distributors under the new EMC 
directive, as they are in the supply chain.

Am I missing something?

The two words have different meanings. As I said, some companies do both. Just 
as an example, a distributor might or might not have a 'trade counter' where 
professionals can go to buy stuff, but they normally take orders by phone or 
on-line and send stuff from their warehouses, whereas retailers have 
shops/stores where the general public go.
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[PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

[Amund Westin]

EMC directive 2014/30/EU
Article 24: Requirements relating to notified bodies

A conformity assessment body, its top level management and the personnel
responsible for carrying out the conformity assessment tasks shall not be
the designer, manufacturer, supplier, installer, purchaser, owner, user or
maintainer of the apparatus which they assess, nor the representative of any
of those parties.

== Does it mean that current Notified Bodies as Samsung, Siemens, Sony,
etc. can no longer be a NB within the new EMC directive?


Best regards
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[PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

[Amund Westin]

EMC directive 2014/30/EU
Article 10: Obligations of distributors

Distributors ... do we talk about stores as Kmart, Walmart, etc.?



Best regards
Amund


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Fra: Brian Jones [mailto:e...@brianjones.co.uk] 
Sendt: 7. februar 2014 10:02
Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Emne: [PSES] New EMC Directive

Everyone

On 5 February the European Parliament adopted the NLF package of 8
directives, including the EMC and LVD revisions.  The texts of the new
versions of the directives will be published in the Official Journal
shortly.

The press release may be found here

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-14-111_en.htm 

There will be a transition period to allow Member States to produce their
own Laws, and apparatus in the distribution chain to be sold.  The dates
will be given when OJ publication takes place.

There will be a talk on the new EMCD as part of our next meeting of the IEEE
UK and Republic of Ireland EMC Chapter, which will be held on the afternoon
of 19 March at the Didcot Railway Centre.  Details will follow shortly, but
save the date now!

Best wishes

Brian

Brian Jones
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Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

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In message 000f01cf5fa6$acd40660$067c1320$@westin-emission.no, dated 
Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no writes:



Distributors ... do we talk about stores as Kmart, Walmart, etc.?


Not really, they are retailers: Digikey and Mouser are distributors. 
Obviously there are many others. And some do both.

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Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

[John Woodgate]

In message 001801cf5fb1$5d379e90$17a6dbb0$@westin-emission.no, dated 
Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no writes:


== Does it mean that current Notified Bodies as Samsung, Siemens, 
Sony, etc. can no longer be a NB within the new EMC directive?


No, they are not 'Conformity Assessment Bodies', who are the people who 
check that Notified Bodies are competent and honest.

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Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] New EMC Directive

[T.Sato]

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:15:25 +0100,
  John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk wrote:

 In message 000f01cf5fa6$acd40660$067c1320$@westin-emission.no, dated
 Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no writes:
 
Distributors ... do we talk about stores as Kmart, Walmart, etc.?
 
 Not really, they are retailers: Digikey and Mouser are
 distributors. Obviously there are many others. And some do both.

I thought all retailers are also distributors under the new EMC
directive, as they are in the supply chain.

Am I missing something?

Regards,
Tom

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