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well,  actually,  most things I do turn into some sort of computer 
science project.



I might actually try that on another box, similar, to see if the regular 
Debian


installer does the same thing.

To be honest I don't have much experience with the inner details of 
Debian,  I am


more of a RHEL/Centos guy. I am building another box, for another 
project, for


kicks and giggles I might just try and see what it does with the Debian 
installer.



From what I understand,  with anything one does, a realtime kernel is a 
must.  I wonder if there is one for


  RHEL style  OSs that can be used?


Ron


On 10/30/19 9:25 PM, andy pugh wrote:

On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 at 02:05, R C  wrote:


The problem, it seems, is that the installer doesn't like it if there
are more device  like /dev/sd* that are actually "active/installed/workin"

You seem to be in the rather interesting space where it isn't clear if
your problems are with LinuxCNC or the Debian live build.

Our .iso is very slightly altered version of the stock Debian install.
I understand that you want to use your CNC machine, not start a
computer science project, but I am curious if your issues are also
there with the stock Debian installer. (if not, then perhaps it would
be better to start there, it isn't that far from a running Debian to a
realtime kernel and installed LinuxCNC debs.)




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On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 at 02:05, R C  wrote:

> The problem, it seems, is that the installer doesn't like it if there
> are more device  like /dev/sd* that are actually "active/installed/workin"

You seem to be in the rather interesting space where it isn't clear if
your problems are with LinuxCNC or the Debian live build.

Our .iso is very slightly altered version of the stock Debian install.
I understand that you want to use your CNC machine, not start a
computer science project, but I am curious if your issues are also
there with the stock Debian installer. (if not, then perhaps it would
be better to start there, it isn't that far from a running Debian to a
realtime kernel and installed LinuxCNC debs.)

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I like that,  wonder if I can do some stuff with X-forwarding.


But first I ned to get some hardware going, make some cables and such,  
since these two machines I have seem somewht exotic anyway.



Ron


On 10/30/19 9:15 PM, Phill C wrote:
Yep, It is noted in the Important Notes section 
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/stretch-live-build


I have updated to 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 
4.19.67-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1 (2019-09-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux form 
stretch-backports, no problems yet...


On 31 Oct 2019, at 1:19 pm, R C > wrote:


looks like ssh is enabled by default, that was my plan anyway.

I have: Linux cnc 4.9.0-8-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 
4.9.110-3+deb9u6 (2018-10-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux


Ron


On 10/30/19 7:19 PM, Phill C wrote:
I have a copy of  linuxcnc-stretch-uspace-amd64-r12.iso 
 
from that page that I use for creating virtual machines. I have only 
mounted the ISO and installed from that previously, so not from DVD 
or USB.


I have just burnt that ISO to a DVD and installed it on a spare box 
here via the Debian Graphical Install from the menu and it installed 
and then booted without any issues.



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http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/ 


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2019-10-30 Thread Phill C

Yep, It is noted in the Important Notes section 
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/stretch-live-build 


I have updated to 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 
4.19.67-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1 (2019-09-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux form stretch-backports, 
no problems yet...

> On 31 Oct 2019, at 1:19 pm, R C  wrote:
> 
> looks like ssh is enabled by default, that was my plan anyway.
> 
> I have: Linux cnc 4.9.0-8-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u6 
> (2018-10-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
> 
> Ron
> 
> 
> On 10/30/19 7:19 PM, Phill C wrote:
>> I have a copy of  linuxcnc-stretch-uspace-amd64-r12.iso 
>> 
>>  from that page that I use for creating virtual machines. I have only 
>> mounted the ISO and installed from that previously, so not from DVD or USB.
>> 
>> I have just burnt that ISO to a DVD and installed it on a spare box here via 
>> the Debian Graphical Install from the menu and it installed and then booted 
>> without any issues.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 31 Oct 2019, at 11:03 am, R C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/ 
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looks like ssh is enabled by default, that was my plan anyway.

I have: Linux cnc 4.9.0-8-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 
4.9.110-3+deb9u6 (2018-10-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux


Ron


On 10/30/19 7:19 PM, Phill C wrote:

I have a copy of  linuxcnc-stretch-uspace-amd64-r12.iso 

 from that page that I use for creating virtual machines. I have only mounted the ISO 
and installed from that previously, so not from DVD or USB.

I have just burnt that ISO to a DVD and installed it on a spare box here via 
the Debian Graphical Install from the menu and it installed and then booted 
without any issues.



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http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/ 


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Hi Phill,


yup I can see that work too.  Technically,  there is not that much 
different mounting a DVD/iso9660 or the iso image itself. (Of course 
mounting the iso itself is quite a bit faster, and no CD/DVD weirdness.)


So I have the samesimilar version,  but r13 (close enough I guess).


thanks,


Ron



On 10/30/19 7:19 PM, Phill C wrote:

I have a copy of  linuxcnc-stretch-uspace-amd64-r12.iso 

 from that page that I use for creating virtual machines. I have only mounted the ISO 
and installed from that previously, so not from DVD or USB.

I have just burnt that ISO to a DVD and installed it on a spare box here via 
the Debian Graphical Install from the menu and it installed and then booted 
without any issues.



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http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/ 


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Hi John,


I managed to install the Debian 9 (Stretch) distro. With that one I 
didn't see the repo issue, BUT  it didn't want to boot.


The problem, it seems, is that the installer doesn't like it if there 
are more device  like /dev/sd* that are actually "active/installed/workin"


I already did unplug the data cable from a 1Tb data drive, so the 
installer wouldn't mess with it BUT  I alo have a card reader, that


has 4-5 different slots, and somehow Debian thinks it needs to use the 
last device (/dev/sde or so)  while it installed on /dev/sda.


(That sounds like a bug).

The DVD is not the problem, I am very familiar with creating and burning 
ISOs. (and also somewhat with Linux,  I work in HPC).



The older version really wants that older repo, and that one is not 
available anymore, so that is a no go.


The "newer" version has that installer bug,  but I can/could work around 
that.


I am not using a laptop for this but a refurbished Dell T5500 (2 CPUs, 
12 physical cores, 72Gb ram)



I have two Paton/Patterson CNC machines, that I once had going..  years 
ago,  so I am going to try and do that


again now. I don't know much about controllers etc, but I have some 
electronics skills.



I am on this list to learn, mostly CNC stuff and controllers etc.  I am 
pretty familiar/versed with Linux (mostly


RHEL, Centod etc. etc. ..) so maybe I'l take a stab at looking into 
Centos for it or so.



thanks,


Ron



On 10/30/19 7:03 PM, John Dammeyer wrote:

So.  I'd suggest, and remember I'm not a real Linux fan so I may be ignorant.
Download the older distro I pointed to and create a DVD with that.  If you use 
windows try the latest Etcher software to burn the DVD.  I do that on an ASUS 
laptop with WIN-7 Pro.  No problems.

Then see if you can run the live version first.  I don't think you need 
internet connectivity on the install machine.  I don't remember if I was 
plugged into the router.

But it was about June when I did this.  I had to trash the older version of 
Linux because of the MESA card.
John


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From: R C [mailto:cjv...@gmail.com]
Sent: October-30-19 5:40 PM
To: John Dammeyer
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] installing linuxcnc

well,� I did that because it was a newer Debian distro, assuming that
the repo issue (not being there) would not happen.

On 10/30/19 6:35 PM, John Dammeyer wrote:

But which distro are you running.  The link you posted was to versions that

looked like test stuff.  Who knows.

  From my previous posting.

==
and retrieved the appropriate version from here.
http://www.linuxcnc.org/iso/

Specifically
linuxcnc-2.7.14-wheezy.iso
==
It's not good to try and be on the bleeding edge unless you want to

become a real linux expert.   I don't know anything about the .zsync stuff.

One time when I was looking at various Linuxes I used the same approach

and made.. hang on let me get the bag of DVDs...

LinuxCNC Live Wheezy
Debian with GNOME
Knoppix 8.1 Live CD
Ubuntu
LinuxCNC

Not sure about some of the versions.  I just downloaded ISO files.  Burned

them to DVD and then booted the live versions to play.  Only the LinuxCNC
was ever transferred to the hard drive and I did that a number of times on
two different machines.

None of these installs ever asked for another DVD.  Once up and running

and set up on my network I could apt-get update  and so on...



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Sent: October-30-19 5:10 PM
To: John Dammeyer
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] installing linuxcnc

well,? the DVD runs,? it does the live "show"? where you can see the
kernel running with all the apps.


The? install graphical,? it starts BUT,? at some point it says that it
cannot reacht the debian repo anymore.?? the host/server is there BUT?
the repo it needs doesn't exist anymore.


After tat it continues? for two seconds and asks for a media change,? to
put a new DVD in,? which I of course don't have. (and I bet that is teh
same stuff as the repo it is trying to get to).

so that is not going to fly.


Ron

On 10/30/19 6:04 PM, John Dammeyer wrote:

A few months.  Before that I had the older version but as the web page

states.  Doesn't work the MESA 7i92H.  So I upgraded.

I use WIN-7 almost exclusively (well not on the Pi and Beagle) and now I

have PCs with LinuxCNC but it's dual boot for WIN-XP and MACH3 too.

I used the ETCHER software to write the DVD.
https://github.com/balena-io/etcher/blob/master/SUPPORT.md
Then booted to the DVD and chose the LIVE version first to make sure it

all

worked.  Then went ahead and used the graphical install.  It really was a
brainless operation.  Not sure why you are having problems.



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To: John Dammeyer
Cc: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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Hi John,



Hmmm,?? I downloaded that image, or a

Re: [Emc-users] installing linuxcnc

2019-10-30 Thread Phill C

I have a copy of  linuxcnc-stretch-uspace-amd64-r12.iso 

 from that page that I use for creating virtual machines. I have only mounted 
the ISO and installed from that previously, so not from DVD or USB.

I have just burnt that ISO to a DVD and installed it on a spare box here via 
the Debian Graphical Install from the menu and it installed and then booted 
without any issues.

> On 31 Oct 2019, at 11:03 am, R C  wrote:
> 
> http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/ 
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http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/

On 10/30/19 12:17 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Wednesday 30 October 2019 01:50:00 R C wrote:


I tried installing linuxcnc-stretch-uspace-amd64-r13.iso too,  doesn't
seem to work either.


r13?  Where did you get that?  My copy has no r13 in the filename.

Cheers, Gene Heskett



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Hi John,



Hmmm,   I downloaded that image, or at least one withthe same name  from 
linucnc, and that one failed on a repos


not being available.

I'll try it again and down load the one you mentioned, maybe it is 
different.



How long ago did you install that?


thanks,


Ron


On 10/30/19 1:22 AM, John Dammeyer wrote:

I've downloaded using these instructions
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html

and retrieved the appropriate version from here.
http://www.linuxcnc.org/iso/

Specifically
   linuxcnc-2.7.14-wheezy.iso

The advantage of the live system is you can try it on your hardware before you 
install to the hard drive.

I'm running it on a dual boot PC where I have WIN-XP and LinuxCNC.  In the 
basic form I have both working from a single parallel port.  I can expand with 
the MESA 7i92H or the USB SmoothStepper coupled to my PMDX-126 BoB.

Then when you are ready, just reboot the CD and choose install.  Only one DVD 
is needed.

John Dammeyer



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To: Dave Matthews
Cc: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] installing linuxcnc

I tried installing linuxcnc-stretch-uspace-amd64-r13.iso too,� doesn't
seem to work either.


Is there a working version of linuxcnc somewhere?



On 10/29/19 10:51 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:


On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 00:41 R C mailto:cjv...@gmail.com>> wrote:


 On 10/29/19 10:39 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:


 On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 00:24 R C mailto:cjv...@gmail.com>> wrote:


 On 10/29/19 10:04 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:


 On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 00:01 R C mailto:cjv...@gmail.com>> wrote:


 On 10/29/19 7:56 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:

 On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 21:48 R C

<mailto:cjv...@gmail.com>  wrote:

 Hello all,



 I thought I'd try linuxcnc, and see howthat works.

 (I have a paxton/patterson mill and lathe that I haven't used in

forever).


 I downloaded the linuxcnc iso and burned a disc, however it

seems it

 wants another CD , or from what I read have Ubuntu or so

installed?

 I saw Ubuntu 10.04 mentioned, but isn't that somewhat old?

 Do I install that first and then the linuxcnc CD?


 Also, is there a version that can be installed/compiled on

RHEL/Centos?,

 has someone tried that?


 thanks,


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 I downloaded the Debian Stretch iso a few weeks ago and threw

it on a

 machine a couple days ago.  I went on fine except for the installer

not

 wanting to work with my USB network dongle (works fine with

the live

 version).  I got around that by using the text installer which lets

you

 bypass the network setup easily.  Try either the Stretch or

Wheezy setups.

 Dave

 Hello Dave,


 I downloaded "LinuxCNC 2.7.14 Debian 7 Wheezy
 <http://www.linuxcnc.org/iso/linuxcnc-2.7.14-wheezy.iso>"�
 from this page "http://linuxcnc.org/downloads/;
 <http://linuxcnc.org/downloads/> but when I run it, it
 asks for another disk.� I was wondering if that is a
 regular Debian iso, or something different.


 I am not too familiar with Debian distros,� I pretty
 much exclusively work with RHEL and Centos etc.


 If there is another iso I need,� where do I get it?� If
 not then what is it asking for?


 thanks,


 Ron


 It should be a regular iso that installs the OS and a set of
 apps including LinuxCNC.� If you just boot it you should get
 a live cd version of Debian and the apps.� No idea why it is
 asking for a cd.

 Dave


 Hmm�� when I use the first option,� it boots from the CD,�
 live CD style,� but it doesn't show me an option to install it.


 Ron


 The install is a boot option . I haven't found it in the live
 version.� I was used to Ubuntu and expected to find it in the
 live version too.

 Dave


 I'd rather have it work on Centos, or RHEL,� but oh well.�� when I
 am installing it with the graphical option it complains about not
 being able to find security.debian.org
 <http://security.debian.org> (but I can ping it from another
 machine).� It says I can skip it,� it did that before.

 I'll just see and try again.


It won't find any of the wheezy repos without doing some unnatural
acts.� Wheezy went end of lif

Re: [Emc-users] installing linuxcnc


I know how to burn a DVD, and yes I notices it's > 1Gb

(I don't think I don't even have any CDs anymore for years, just 
rewrite-able DVDs)


On 10/30/19 9:44 AM, Jon Elson wrote:

On 10/29/2019 08:45 PM, R C wrote:

Hello all,



I thought I'd try linuxcnc, and see howthat works.

(I have a paxton/patterson mill and lathe that I haven't used in 
forever).



I downloaded the linuxcnc iso and burned a disc, however it seems it 
wants another CD , or from what I read have Ubuntu or so installed?



Check the size of the iso file, it may need to be burned to a DVD.

I saw Ubuntu 10.04 mentioned, but isn't that somewhat old?

This is an old release, there are newer releases based on a Debian 
distro.



See :  http://www.linuxcnc.org/downloads/

I don't see ANY Ubuntu releases on there.  And, the iso files are over 
1 GB, so they won't fit on a CD.


Jon


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yup,  that is what I do,  I do write the ISO to a DVD so that it is 
bootable,  actually I can boot with it no probablem.


The linuxcnc stretch distro has a grub issue/initramfs issue,  it 
wrongfully things the device (drive) is another one than it actually is.


(I am pretty sure that's a bug).


Ron



On 10/30/19 9:49 AM, Jon Elson wrote:

On 10/30/2019 06:10 AM, andy pugh wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 05:53, R C  wrote:

I tried installing linuxcnc-stretch-uspace-amd64-r13.iso too,  doesn't
seem to work either.

How are you writing the discs? I have a vague memory that the issues
you are seeing occur when you copy the contents of the .ISO to the DVD
rather than using the .ISO ti image the DVD / USB
Yes, you need to use the "burn as iso" option on your CD/DVD burner 
program.  Some burner apps do NOT have this feature,

or it is buried 4 menus deep.

 You need to boot from the DVD / USB. And some PCs make that difficult 
with USB.
Almost any PC should be able to boot from a DVD, but it may require 
some BIOS settings to be changed

to allow it, mostly boot devices and boot order.

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2019-10-30 Thread Jon Elson


On 10/30/2019 06:10 AM, andy pugh wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 05:53, R C  wrote:

I tried installing linuxcnc-stretch-uspace-amd64-r13.iso too,  doesn't
seem to work either.

How are you writing the discs? I have a vague memory that the issues
you are seeing occur when you copy the contents of the .ISO to the DVD
rather than using the .ISO ti image the DVD / USB
Yes, you need to use the "burn as iso" option on your CD/DVD 
burner program.  Some burner apps do NOT have this feature,

or it is buried 4 menus deep.

 You need to boot from the DVD / USB. And some PCs make 
that difficult with USB.
Almost any PC should be able to boot from a DVD, but it may 
require some BIOS settings to be changed

to allow it, mostly boot devices and boot order.

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2019-10-30 Thread Jon Elson


On 10/29/2019 08:45 PM, R C wrote:

Hello all,



I thought I'd try linuxcnc, and see howthat works.

(I have a paxton/patterson mill and lathe that I haven't 
used in forever).



I downloaded the linuxcnc iso and burned a disc, however 
it seems it wants another CD , or from what I read have 
Ubuntu or so installed?


Check the size of the iso file, it may need to be burned to 
a DVD.

I saw Ubuntu 10.04 mentioned, but isn't that somewhat old?

This is an old release, there are newer releases based on a 
Debian distro.



See :  http://www.linuxcnc.org/downloads/

I don't see ANY Ubuntu releases on there.  And, the iso 
files are over 1 GB, so they won't fit on a CD.


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2019-10-30 Thread andy pugh

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 05:53, R C  wrote:
>
> I tried installing linuxcnc-stretch-uspace-amd64-r13.iso too,  doesn't
> seem to work either.

How are you writing the discs? I have a vague memory that the issues
you are seeing occur when you copy the contents of the .ISO to the DVD
rather than using the .ISO ti image the DVD / USB

You need to boot from the DVD / USB. And some PCs make that difficult with USB.

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2019-10-30 Thread John Dammeyer

I've downloaded using these instructions
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html

and retrieved the appropriate version from here.
http://www.linuxcnc.org/iso/

Specifically
  linuxcnc-2.7.14-wheezy.iso

The advantage of the live system is you can try it on your hardware before you 
install to the hard drive. 

I'm running it on a dual boot PC where I have WIN-XP and LinuxCNC.  In the 
basic form I have both working from a single parallel port.  I can expand with 
the MESA 7i92H or the USB SmoothStepper coupled to my PMDX-126 BoB.

Then when you are ready, just reboot the CD and choose install.  Only one DVD 
is needed.

John Dammeyer


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> To: Dave Matthews
> Cc: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] installing linuxcnc
> 
> I tried installing linuxcnc-stretch-uspace-amd64-r13.iso too,� doesn't
> seem to work either.
> 
> 
> Is there a working version of linuxcnc somewhere?
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/29/19 10:51 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 00:41 R C  > <mailto:cjv...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 10/29/19 10:39 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 00:24 R C  >> <mailto:cjv...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/29/19 10:04 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 00:01 R C  >>> <mailto:cjv...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 10/29/19 7:56 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 21:48 R C
> <mailto:cjv...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I thought I'd try linuxcnc, and see howthat works.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (I have a paxton/patterson mill and lathe that I haven't 
> >>>>> used in
> forever).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I downloaded the linuxcnc iso and burned a disc, however it
> seems it
> >>>>> wants another CD , or from what I read have Ubuntu or so
> installed?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I saw Ubuntu 10.04 mentioned, but isn't that somewhat old?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do I install that first and then the linuxcnc CD?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also, is there a version that can be installed/compiled on
> RHEL/Centos?,
> >>>>> has someone tried that?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thanks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ron
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> us...@lists.sourceforge.net>
> >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> >>>> I downloaded the Debian Stretch iso a few weeks ago and threw
> it on a
> >>>> machine a couple days ago.  I went on fine except for the 
> >>>> installer
> not
> >>>> wanting to work with my USB network dongle (works fine with
> the live
> >>>> version).  I got around that by using the text installer 
> >>>> which lets
> you
> >>>> bypass the network setup easily.  Try either the Stretch or
> Wheezy setups.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dave
> >>>
> >>> Hello Dave,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I downloaded "LinuxCNC 2.7.14 Debian 7 Wheezy
> >>> <http://www.linuxcnc.org/iso/linuxcnc-2.7.14-wheezy.iso>"�
> >>> from this page "http://linuxcnc.org/downloads/;
> >>> <http://linuxcnc.org/downloads/> but when I run it, it
> >>> asks for another disk.� I was wondering if that is a
> >>> regular Debian iso, or something different.
> >&g

Re: [Emc-users] installing linuxcnc

2019-10-30 Thread Gene Heskett

On Wednesday 30 October 2019 01:50:00 R C wrote:

> I tried installing linuxcnc-stretch-uspace-amd64-r13.iso too,  doesn't
> seem to work either.
>
r13?  Where did you get that?  My copy has no r13 in the filename.

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I tried installing linuxcnc-stretch-uspace-amd64-r13.iso too,  doesn't 
seem to work either.



Is there a working version of linuxcnc somewhere?



On 10/29/19 10:51 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:



On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 00:41 R C > wrote:



On 10/29/19 10:39 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:



On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 00:24 R C mailto:cjv...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On 10/29/19 10:04 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:



On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 00:01 R C mailto:cjv...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On 10/29/19 7:56 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 21:48 R C  
  wrote:


Hello all,



I thought I'd try linuxcnc, and see howthat works.

(I have a paxton/patterson mill and lathe that I haven't used in 
forever).


I downloaded the linuxcnc iso and burned a disc, however it seems it
wants another CD , or from what I read have Ubuntu or so installed?

I saw Ubuntu 10.04 mentioned, but isn't that somewhat old?

Do I install that first and then the linuxcnc CD?


Also, is there a version that can be installed/compiled on 
RHEL/Centos?,
has someone tried that?


thanks,


Ron



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I downloaded the Debian Stretch iso a few weeks ago and threw it on 
a
machine a couple days ago.  I went on fine except for the installer 
not
wanting to work with my USB network dongle (works fine with the live
version).  I got around that by using the text installer which lets 
you
bypass the network setup easily.  Try either the Stretch or Wheezy 
setups.

Dave


Hello Dave,


I downloaded "LinuxCNC 2.7.14 Debian 7 Wheezy
" 
from this page "http://linuxcnc.org/downloads/;
 but when I run it, it
asks for another disk.  I was wondering if that is a
regular Debian iso, or something different.


I am not too familiar with Debian distros,  I pretty
much exclusively work with RHEL and Centos etc.


If there is another iso I need,  where do I get it?  If
not then what is it asking for?


thanks,


Ron


It should be a regular iso that installs the OS and a set of
apps including LinuxCNC.  If you just boot it you should get
a live cd version of Debian and the apps.  No idea why it is
asking for a cd.

Dave



Hmm   when I use the first option,  it boots from the CD, 
live CD style,  but it doesn't show me an option to install it.


Ron


The install is a boot option . I haven't found it in the live
version.  I was used to Ubuntu and expected to find it in the
live version too.

Dave



I'd rather have it work on Centos, or RHEL,  but oh well.   when I
am installing it with the graphical option it complains about not
being able to find security.debian.org
 (but I can ping it from another
machine).  It says I can skip it,  it did that before.

I'll just see and try again.


It won't find any of the wheezy repos without doing some unnatural 
acts.  Wheezy went end of life a while ago.  Stretch is the current 
release.  It is Debian 9.


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ok,  that is probably why it has aproblem contacting that repo

On 10/29/19 10:51 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:



On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 00:41 R C > wrote:



On 10/29/19 10:39 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:



On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 00:24 R C mailto:cjv...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On 10/29/19 10:04 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:



On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 00:01 R C mailto:cjv...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On 10/29/19 7:56 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 21:48 R C  
  wrote:


Hello all,



I thought I'd try linuxcnc, and see howthat works.

(I have a paxton/patterson mill and lathe that I haven't used in 
forever).


I downloaded the linuxcnc iso and burned a disc, however it seems it
wants another CD , or from what I read have Ubuntu or so installed?

I saw Ubuntu 10.04 mentioned, but isn't that somewhat old?

Do I install that first and then the linuxcnc CD?


Also, is there a version that can be installed/compiled on 
RHEL/Centos?,
has someone tried that?


thanks,


Ron



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I downloaded the Debian Stretch iso a few weeks ago and threw it on 
a
machine a couple days ago.  I went on fine except for the installer 
not
wanting to work with my USB network dongle (works fine with the live
version).  I got around that by using the text installer which lets 
you
bypass the network setup easily.  Try either the Stretch or Wheezy 
setups.

Dave


Hello Dave,


I downloaded "LinuxCNC 2.7.14 Debian 7 Wheezy
" 
from this page "http://linuxcnc.org/downloads/;
 but when I run it, it
asks for another disk.  I was wondering if that is a
regular Debian iso, or something different.


I am not too familiar with Debian distros,  I pretty
much exclusively work with RHEL and Centos etc.


If there is another iso I need,  where do I get it?  If
not then what is it asking for?


thanks,


Ron


It should be a regular iso that installs the OS and a set of
apps including LinuxCNC.  If you just boot it you should get
a live cd version of Debian and the apps.  No idea why it is
asking for a cd.

Dave



Hmm   when I use the first option,  it boots from the CD, 
live CD style,  but it doesn't show me an option to install it.


Ron


The install is a boot option . I haven't found it in the live
version.  I was used to Ubuntu and expected to find it in the
live version too.

Dave



I'd rather have it work on Centos, or RHEL,  but oh well.   when I
am installing it with the graphical option it complains about not
being able to find security.debian.org
 (but I can ping it from another
machine).  It says I can skip it,  it did that before.

I'll just see and try again.


It won't find any of the wheezy repos without doing some unnatural 
acts.  Wheezy went end of life a while ago.  Stretch is the current 
release.  It is Debian 9.


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On 10/29/19 10:39 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:



On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 00:24 R C > wrote:



On 10/29/19 10:04 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:



On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 00:01 R C mailto:cjv...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On 10/29/19 7:56 PM, Dave Matthews wrote:

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 21:48 R C  
  wrote:


Hello all,



I thought I'd try linuxcnc, and see howthat works.

(I have a paxton/patterson mill and lathe that I haven't used in 
forever).


I downloaded the linuxcnc iso and burned a disc, however it seems it
wants another CD , or from what I read have Ubuntu or so installed?

I saw Ubuntu 10.04 mentioned, but isn't that somewhat old?

Do I install that first and then the linuxcnc CD?


Also, is there a version that can be installed/compiled on RHEL/Centos?,
has someone tried that?


thanks,


Ron



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I downloaded the Debian Stretch iso a few weeks ago and threw it on a
machine a couple days ago.  I went on fine except for the installer not
wanting to work with my USB network dongle (works fine with the live
version).  I got around that by using the text installer which lets you
bypass the network setup easily.  Try either the Stretch or Wheezy 
setups.

Dave


Hello Dave,


I downloaded "LinuxCNC 2.7.14 Debian 7 Wheezy
" 
from this page "http://linuxcnc.org/downloads/;
 but when I run it, it asks
for another disk.  I was wondering if that is a regular
Debian iso, or something different.


I am not too familiar with Debian distros,  I pretty much
exclusively work with RHEL and Centos etc.


If there is another iso I need,  where do I get it?  If not
then what is it asking for?


thanks,


Ron


It should be a regular iso that installs the OS and a set of apps
including LinuxCNC.  If you just boot it you should get a live cd
version of Debian and the apps.  No idea why it is asking for a cd.

Dave



Hmm   when I use the first option,  it boots from the CD,  live CD
style,  but it doesn't show me an option to install it.


Ron


The install is a boot option . I haven't found it in the live 
version.  I was used to Ubuntu and expected to find it in the live 
version too.


Dave



after that:


"please insert the disc labeled "Debian/GNU Linux 7.0.0 _Wheezy_ - 
official snapshot 1386 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20190522-22:10 into the drive 
media/cdrom ...



Wonder where that disc is.


Ron


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2019-10-29 Thread Dave Matthews

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 21:48 R C  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>
>
> I thought I'd try linuxcnc, and see howthat works.
>
> (I have a paxton/patterson mill and lathe that I haven't used in forever).
>
>
> I downloaded the linuxcnc iso and burned a disc, however it seems it
> wants another CD , or from what I read have Ubuntu or so installed?
>
> I saw Ubuntu 10.04 mentioned, but isn't that somewhat old?
>
> Do I install that first and then the linuxcnc CD?
>
>
> Also, is there a version that can be installed/compiled on RHEL/Centos?,
> has someone tried that?
>
>
> thanks,
>
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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I downloaded the Debian Stretch iso a few weeks ago and threw it on a
machine a couple days ago.  I went on fine except for the installer not
wanting to work with my USB network dongle (works fine with the live
version).  I got around that by using the text installer which lets you
bypass the network setup easily.  Try either the Stretch or Wheezy setups.

Dave

>
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Hello all,



I thought I'd try linuxcnc, and see howthat works.

(I have a paxton/patterson mill and lathe that I haven't used in forever).


I downloaded the linuxcnc iso and burned a disc, however it seems it 
wants another CD , or from what I read have Ubuntu or so installed?


I saw Ubuntu 10.04 mentioned, but isn't that somewhat old?

Do I install that first and then the linuxcnc CD?


Also, is there a version that can be installed/compiled on RHEL/Centos?, 
has someone tried that?



thanks,


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[Emc-users] installing our iso on a usb connected 1TB disk

2017-05-12 Thread Gene Heskett

Greetings all;

Up-board on hand. dd is now attempting to copy the .iso to this disk.

Up-board claims to be able to boot from usb.  This is the one with 2Gb of 
dram, and 10Gb of eMMC, whatever that is, but at this point I am 
assuming its the soldered on forever version of a 16Gb SD card or 
similar.

When dd gets done, and I have remounted it by unplugging it and plugging 
it back in, or re-running automount as I'd killed it as it was grabbing 
a disk, any disk, preventing me from doing an fsck on anything.

I may even have to mount it by hand.

Can we file a bug against this automount or avahi, whatever the hell is 
doing that so when it pops up the what to do with this requestor, and 
you click on "do nothing", it unmounts it AND leaves it the hell alone?

Or at least have the requestor  name itself, so we know what to kill to 
get it out of our hair when trying to write, and md5sum check, the 
results of using dd to copy that iso to some removable media.

Sorry for the language, but I am out of patience with this.

The up-board has an EFI bios. No clue if it can be disabled, haven't 
found the magic key(s) yet.  Its currently showing me 3 BLK devices with 
nothing recognizable.  I'll keep plugging along though.

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Re: [Emc-users] Installing On Older Computer

2017-05-11 Thread Jon Elson

On 05/11/2017 12:28 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jon Elson" <el...@pico-systems.com>
>> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 12:58:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Installing On Older Computer
>>
>> On 05/10/2017 10:22 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
>>> Latency is fine with Lucid(RTAI). With Wheezy(RTAI) the
>>> latency test will not even open, it just hangs with
>>> nothing coming up in the terminal window, but the pc
>>> itself still keeps going (can open other programs).
>> OK, there's the problem.  Something is really wrong in the
>> RT system, or maybe just the CPU is being slowed down
>> drastically for some reason.  The drivers for certain
>> graphics cards can do bad things, but that usually requires
>> a graphical display to be running.
>>
>> Jon
>>
> It is only running with on board video (no video cards), there is a display 
> attached.
>
> If I boot from the Linuxcnc live Wheezy ISO (using a USB thumb drive).  It 
> eventually boots and opens a desktop.  If I open a terminal window and type 
> Linuxcnc.  The config picker opens, I select something, then nothing else 
> seems to happen.  The computer is not locked up, I can open and do other 
> things, but no word of anything from Linuxcnc, and the terminal window is 
> blank.  (going from memory here, as the machine is running production work 
> now.) The same thing happens with the latency test.
>
> I know there is something very wrong. But I don't know were to even look to 
> find out what.
>
This sounds like a real time overload, using up 100% of the 
CPU time.  You could try slowing the RT threads down to 
something like 1/10th the rate (multiply bast thread and 
servo thread period X 10) and see if it works.  But, then, 
it would be best to find out what the real problem is.  
First, do
  more /proc/cpuinfo

and see what the bogomips reading is, and if it seems 
correct for the processor and clock speed.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Installing On Older Computer

2017-05-11 Thread Przemek Klosowski

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Todd Zuercher 
wrote:

> Is there a trick to installing Linuxcnc/Wheezy on an older single core
> computer?
>
> I have a machine that has been happily running Linuxcnc for some time on
> an older Linuxcnc Ubuntu 10,04 install.
> It is an older P4 2.8gHz cpu (single core) with 1G memory and works
> reasonably well with Lucid. This PC is a little bit special in that it has
> some ISA slots on the motherboard and 1 ISA card is used by Linuxcnc to
> interface with the machine.
>
> I have tried several times to test or install the newer Linuxcnc/Wheezy
> iso. But it boots and runs painfully slow, and neither the latency tests or
> Linuxcnc will open. Trying to start Linuxcnc from the command line tells me
> nothing.
>
> Any ideas why this machine refuses to work with the newer version?
>

It's gotta be video drivers... can you run it in single user mode? Can you
switch to teh text coinsole (Ctrl-Alt-F1 (or 2 or 3)).
Do you see the graphical desktop at all?
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Re: [Emc-users] Installing On Older Computer

2017-05-11 Thread Todd Zuercher

- Original Message -
> From: "Jon Elson" <el...@pico-systems.com>
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 12:58:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Installing On Older Computer
> 
> On 05/10/2017 10:22 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
> > Latency is fine with Lucid(RTAI). With Wheezy(RTAI) the
> > latency test will not even open, it just hangs with
> > nothing coming up in the terminal window, but the pc
> > itself still keeps going (can open other programs).
> OK, there's the problem.  Something is really wrong in the
> RT system, or maybe just the CPU is being slowed down
> drastically for some reason.  The drivers for certain
> graphics cards can do bad things, but that usually requires
> a graphical display to be running.
> 
> Jon
> 

It is only running with on board video (no video cards), there is a display 
attached.

If I boot from the Linuxcnc live Wheezy ISO (using a USB thumb drive).  It 
eventually boots and opens a desktop.  If I open a terminal window and type 
Linuxcnc.  The config picker opens, I select something, then nothing else seems 
to happen.  The computer is not locked up, I can open and do other things, but 
no word of anything from Linuxcnc, and the terminal window is blank.  (going 
from memory here, as the machine is running production work now.) The same 
thing happens with the latency test.

I know there is something very wrong. But I don't know were to even look to 
find out what.

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Re: [Emc-users] Installing On Older Computer

2017-05-11 Thread Jon Elson

On 05/10/2017 10:22 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
> Latency is fine with Lucid(RTAI). With Wheezy(RTAI) the 
> latency test will not even open, it just hangs with 
> nothing coming up in the terminal window, but the pc 
> itself still keeps going (can open other programs).
OK, there's the problem.  Something is really wrong in the 
RT system, or maybe just the CPU is being slowed down 
drastically for some reason.  The drivers for certain 
graphics cards can do bad things, but that usually requires 
a graphical display to be running.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Installing On Older Computer

2017-05-10 Thread Todd Zuercher

- Original Message -
> From: "Jon Elson" <el...@pico-systems.com>
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 10:17:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Installing On Older Computer
> 
> On 05/10/2017 04:58 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
> >
> > That is what I am afraid of.  But I had not seen any definitive
> > "Yes we've killed it" answer on the subject.  A quick google seems
> > to imply that Debian still supports ISA, but...
> >
> >
> Does that machine have hyperthreading?  If so, turn it off,
> it cuts the speed of real CPU to half.
> You could also run the latency test.  That might reveal a
> problem with RTAI.  Or, are you using preempt-RT?
> If either of these, try the other RT system, and see if it
> does better.
> 
> Anyway, I don't think the OS would care about the ISA.
> LinuxCNC doesn't use Linux drivers, the hal drivers go
> straight to the hardware.
> 
> Jon
> 

If it has hyper-threading it has been turned off for the last 5 or 6 years, 
when Linuxcnc(emc2) was originally installed on it.

Latency is fine with Lucid(RTAI).  With Wheezy(RTAI) the latency test will not 
even open, it just hangs with nothing coming up in the terminal window, but the 
pc itself still keeps going (can open other programs).

Are there any particular logs I should be looking at for pertinent error info?

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Re: [Emc-users] Installing On Older Computer

2017-05-10 Thread Jon Elson

On 05/10/2017 04:58 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
>
> That is what I am afraid of.  But I had not seen any definitive "Yes we've 
> killed it" answer on the subject.  A quick google seems to imply that Debian 
> still supports ISA, but...
>
>
Does that machine have hyperthreading?  If so, turn it off, 
it cuts the speed of real CPU to half.
You could also run the latency test.  That might reveal a 
problem with RTAI.  Or, are you using preempt-RT?
If either of these, try the other RT system, and see if it 
does better.

Anyway, I don't think the OS would care about the ISA.  
LinuxCNC doesn't use Linux drivers, the hal drivers go 
straight to the hardware.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Installing On Older Computer

2017-05-10 Thread Chris Albertson

It's not a big deal if something is not supported by default.   You compile
the driver then "insmod" it in later.  Or just rebuild the kernel. If
it was once supported hardware you can keep it working.

Many times you need to use ISA cards because it is come custom hardware or
one off interface.   I've got a few of those that fortunately I don't need
to use.   But it taught me to NEVER build only thing on a card that goes
inside a PC.  Build instead using a standard interface to a PC, like USB
even better a network connection.

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Todd Zuercher <zuerc...@embarqmail.com>
wrote:

> - Original Message -
> > From: "Gene Heskett" <ghesk...@shentel.net>
> > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 5:38:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Installing On Older Computer
> >
> > On Wednesday 10 May 2017 12:22:13 Todd Zuercher wrote:
> >
> > > Is there a trick to installing Linuxcnc/Wheezy on an older single
> > > core
> > > computer?
> > >
> > > I have a machine that has been happily running Linuxcnc for some
> > > time
> > > on an older Linuxcnc Ubuntu 10,04 install. It is an older P4 2.8gHz
> > > cpu (single core) with 1G memory and works reasonably well with
> > > Lucid.
> > > This PC is a little bit special in that it has some ISA slots on
> > > the
> > > motherboard and 1 ISA card is used by Linuxcnc to interface with
> > > the
> > > machine.
> > >
> > > I have tried several times to test or install the newer
> > > Linuxcnc/Wheezy iso. But it boots and runs painfully slow, and
> > > neither
> > > the latency tests or Linuxcnc will open. Trying to start Linuxcnc
> > > from
> > > the command line tells me nothing.
> > >
> > > Any ideas why this machine refuses to work with the newer version?
> >
> > My first reaction is that the newer kernels have no ISA support
> > without
> > building your own and configuring that option back on, if it still
> > exists in the latest kernel src linux needs to run well.
> >
> > Realistically, ISA has been dead and had a few words said over it for
> > at
> > least 15 years. PCI is around 10-30x faster as the 7 MHz clocking was
> > replaced with 33 MHz clocking, and offered bus widths up to 64 bits,
> > whereas ISA was stuck with a 16 bit data bus.
> >
> > Even that is considered slow these days. I'd not recommend a
> > raspberry pi
> > 3b at this stage of the update your hardware game, even if mine is
> > running linuxcnc again.  I'll have another post about that, but
> > probably
> > after I go round up some dinner for us, I have a theory I'd like to
> > expound on a wee bit.
> >
> > Film (term used very loosely) at 11.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > --
>
> That is what I am afraid of.  But I had not seen any definitive "Yes we've
> killed it" answer on the subject.  A quick google seems to imply that
> Debian still supports ISA, but...
>
> It is old legacy hardware, but I was hoping not to have to rip out and
> rewire the machine to support a newer interface card.
>
> As to why not to soldier on with 10.04, I believe it has been decreed by
> the powers that be, if you want to go beyond Linuxcnc 2.7, thou shalt
> forsake Lucid.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Installing On Older Computer

2017-05-10 Thread Todd Zuercher

- Original Message -
> From: "Gene Heskett" <ghesk...@shentel.net>
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 5:38:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Installing On Older Computer
> 
> On Wednesday 10 May 2017 12:22:13 Todd Zuercher wrote:
> 
> > Is there a trick to installing Linuxcnc/Wheezy on an older single
> > core
> > computer?
> >
> > I have a machine that has been happily running Linuxcnc for some
> > time
> > on an older Linuxcnc Ubuntu 10,04 install. It is an older P4 2.8gHz
> > cpu (single core) with 1G memory and works reasonably well with
> > Lucid.
> > This PC is a little bit special in that it has some ISA slots on
> > the
> > motherboard and 1 ISA card is used by Linuxcnc to interface with
> > the
> > machine.
> >
> > I have tried several times to test or install the newer
> > Linuxcnc/Wheezy iso. But it boots and runs painfully slow, and
> > neither
> > the latency tests or Linuxcnc will open. Trying to start Linuxcnc
> > from
> > the command line tells me nothing.
> >
> > Any ideas why this machine refuses to work with the newer version?
> 
> My first reaction is that the newer kernels have no ISA support
> without
> building your own and configuring that option back on, if it still
> exists in the latest kernel src linux needs to run well.
> 
> Realistically, ISA has been dead and had a few words said over it for
> at
> least 15 years. PCI is around 10-30x faster as the 7 MHz clocking was
> replaced with 33 MHz clocking, and offered bus widths up to 64 bits,
> whereas ISA was stuck with a 16 bit data bus.
> 
> Even that is considered slow these days. I'd not recommend a
> raspberry pi
> 3b at this stage of the update your hardware game, even if mine is
> running linuxcnc again.  I'll have another post about that, but
> probably
> after I go round up some dinner for us, I have a theory I'd like to
> expound on a wee bit.
> 
> Film (term used very loosely) at 11.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --

That is what I am afraid of.  But I had not seen any definitive "Yes we've 
killed it" answer on the subject.  A quick google seems to imply that Debian 
still supports ISA, but...

It is old legacy hardware, but I was hoping not to have to rip out and rewire 
the machine to support a newer interface card.

As to why not to soldier on with 10.04, I believe it has been decreed by the 
powers that be, if you want to go beyond Linuxcnc 2.7, thou shalt forsake Lucid.

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Re: [Emc-users] Installing On Older Computer

2017-05-10 Thread Gene Heskett

On Wednesday 10 May 2017 12:22:13 Todd Zuercher wrote:

> Is there a trick to installing Linuxcnc/Wheezy on an older single core
> computer?
>
> I have a machine that has been happily running Linuxcnc for some time
> on an older Linuxcnc Ubuntu 10,04 install. It is an older P4 2.8gHz
> cpu (single core) with 1G memory and works reasonably well with Lucid.
> This PC is a little bit special in that it has some ISA slots on the
> motherboard and 1 ISA card is used by Linuxcnc to interface with the
> machine.
>
> I have tried several times to test or install the newer
> Linuxcnc/Wheezy iso. But it boots and runs painfully slow, and neither
> the latency tests or Linuxcnc will open. Trying to start Linuxcnc from
> the command line tells me nothing.
>
> Any ideas why this machine refuses to work with the newer version?

My first reaction is that the newer kernels have no ISA support without 
building your own and configuring that option back on, if it still 
exists in the latest kernel src linux needs to run well.

Realistically, ISA has been dead and had a few words said over it for at 
least 15 years. PCI is around 10-30x faster as the 7 MHz clocking was 
replaced with 33 MHz clocking, and offered bus widths up to 64 bits, 
whereas ISA was stuck with a 16 bit data bus.

Even that is considered slow these days. I'd not recommend a raspberry pi 
3b at this stage of the update your hardware game, even if mine is 
running linuxcnc again.  I'll have another post about that, but probably 
after I go round up some dinner for us, I have a theory I'd like to 
expound on a wee bit.

Film (term used very loosely) at 11.

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Re: [Emc-users] Installing On Older Computer

2017-05-10 Thread giorgio foga

and why not continue to use ubuntu 10.04?


 I suspect that your ram is a bit slow ... try to buy new one more fast ex. 
1333Mhz type and 2Gb 


regards

giorgio



Da: Todd Zuercher <zuerc...@embarqmail.com>
Inviato: mercoledì 10 maggio 2017 18.22
A: Linuxcnc-Users
Oggetto: [Emc-users] Installing On Older Computer

Is there a trick to installing Linuxcnc/Wheezy on an older single core computer?

I have a machine that has been happily running Linuxcnc for some time on an 
older Linuxcnc Ubuntu 10,04 install.
It is an older P4 2.8gHz cpu (single core) with 1G memory and works reasonably 
well with Lucid. This PC is a little bit special in that it has some ISA slots 
on the motherboard and 1 ISA card is used by Linuxcnc to interface with the 
machine.

I have tried several times to test or install the newer Linuxcnc/Wheezy iso. 
But it boots and runs painfully slow, and neither the latency tests or Linuxcnc 
will open. Trying to start Linuxcnc from the command line tells me nothing.

Any ideas why this machine refuses to work with the newer version?

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Re: [Emc-users] Installing On Older Computer

2017-05-10 Thread Chris Albertson

It's hard to know from what you've told us.   But one thing to look at is
to start the machine up.  do NOT start up X11.  Working at the command
promo on the monitor run the command "top" and you weill see cpu. memory
and swap file usage that is updated about eery second.

If the computer comes up in any graphic mode you need to disable that (look
in /etc/rc.d)



On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Todd Zuercher 
wrote:

> Is there a trick to installing Linuxcnc/Wheezy on an older single core
> computer?
>
> I have a machine that has been happily running Linuxcnc for some time on
> an older Linuxcnc Ubuntu 10,04 install.
> It is an older P4 2.8gHz cpu (single core) with 1G memory and works
> reasonably well with Lucid. This PC is a little bit special in that it has
> some ISA slots on the motherboard and 1 ISA card is used by Linuxcnc to
> interface with the machine.
>
> I have tried several times to test or install the newer Linuxcnc/Wheezy
> iso. But it boots and runs painfully slow, and neither the latency tests or
> Linuxcnc will open. Trying to start Linuxcnc from the command line tells me
> nothing.
>
> Any ideas why this machine refuses to work with the newer version?
>
> --
>
> 
>
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[Emc-users] Installing On Older Computer

2017-05-10 Thread Todd Zuercher

Is there a trick to installing Linuxcnc/Wheezy on an older single core 
computer? 

I have a machine that has been happily running Linuxcnc for some time on an 
older Linuxcnc Ubuntu 10,04 install. 
It is an older P4 2.8gHz cpu (single core) with 1G memory and works reasonably 
well with Lucid. This PC is a little bit special in that it has some ISA slots 
on the motherboard and 1 ISA card is used by Linuxcnc to interface with the 
machine. 

I have tried several times to test or install the newer Linuxcnc/Wheezy iso. 
But it boots and runs painfully slow, and neither the latency tests or Linuxcnc 
will open. Trying to start Linuxcnc from the command line tells me nothing. 

Any ideas why this machine refuses to work with the newer version? 

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[Emc-users] installing linux mint 17.3 64bit how to from the forum + Mesa 7I76E

2017-01-17 Thread linden

Re forum link below
installing linux mint 17.3 64bit how to
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/32140-installing-linux-mint-17-3-64bit-how-to

The other day when I tried to respond on the forum it seemed to be down 
so I will respond here as now it is up again I cant seem to log in. 
(finger problems on my part most likely)

First off thanksEric282000  for sharing this and the patched kernel I 
followed your instructions and every thing worked almost on the first 
try there were just a few more unmet dependencies that I had to install 
before LinuxCNC would compile. Then after reboot

uname -a.
reports 4.1.36-rt42.

After configuring eth1 IPV4 Settings to:
Manual
Address: 192.168.1.24
Netmask: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 192.168.1.1

I can run in terminal

halrun
loadrt hostmot2
loadrt hm2_eth board_ip=192.168.1.121
show pin

and get a list of all the pins and how they are configured.

I am pretty happy!! Things are talking to each other.

Now I just need some bits and pieces for this board to talk to.  I am 
sure I will have some questions soon but thought these scribble notes 
may be of use to someone.

Linden









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Re: [Emc-users] Installing on a updated distribution.

2016-12-02 Thread giorgio foga

For debian jessy there is a specific repo  for other no there isn't yet ... 
you can only try to install from sources .

and first install you oun rtai kernel ... but many recommend to do everything 
with a rt_preeempt ...

Actually I install over ubuntu 14.04 rt4.5 + patch ... mesa card + servo system 
works fine ... but in my case

is not possible install a userspace component  :(... instead realtime comp 
works fine... :)


Someone I've install with success on ubuntu 16.04 so if you would try these 
way.




regards

Giorgio





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Inviato: venerdì 2 dicembre 2016 17.31
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Oggetto: [Emc-users] Installing on a updated distribution.

Is there a working updated rtai kernel for say linuxmint 18, ubuntu 16,
debian jessie yet?

I remember i could run linux mint 17.3 with a 3.4-9 pae build, but that
is broken as well with the latest updates.
The package is still there in the linux repository tho but i only get
kernel panics when trying to boot that rtai build.

Was working great before tho..

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[Emc-users] Installing on a updated distribution.

2016-12-02 Thread Andreas Pettersson

Is there a working updated rtai kernel for say linuxmint 18, ubuntu 16, 
debian jessie yet?

I remember i could run linux mint 17.3 with a 3.4-9 pae build, but that 
is broken as well with the latest updates.
The package is still there in the linux repository tho but i only get 
kernel panics when trying to boot that rtai build.

Was working great before tho..

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Re: [Emc-users] Installing Linuxcnc on fresh Debian

2015-03-13 Thread Marius Alksnys

What about following these instructions:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/index.html#_alternate_install_methods

On 2015.03.13 13:01, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
I installed a fresh Debian distro from the debian netinstall ISO. Now I
am trying to install LCNC. I cannot seem to find a complete instruction
to do so. Can I follow the standard Ubuntu 10.04 instructions or is
there a place to read up on the right way to do it.

What seems confusing to me is this.
1) I dont know if the stock production system can run on Debian.
2) How do I get the linuxcnc-dev installed on Debian. I tried on Ubuntu
12.04 but failed dismally.
3) What will be the correct software source to work from?
4) How will I get sudo apt-get build-deps linuxcnc to work? It does not
find a repository.

Peter did give some instruction earlier but he assumed that I had the
basics installed already.

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Re: [Emc-users] Installing Linuxcnc on fresh Debian

2015-03-13 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky

On 3/13/15 12:56 PM, Marius Alksnys wrote:
What about following these instructions:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/index.html#_alternate_install_methods

Peter did give some instruction earlier but he assumed that I had the
basics installed already.

You said you wanted to build from source. Those instructions are for
installing pre-compiled packages (which is the preferred installation
method for non-developers).

Installing pre-compiled packages, for example using the Alternate
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[Emc-users] Installing Linuxcnc on fresh Debian

2015-03-13 Thread Marius Liebenberg

I installed a fresh Debian distro from the debian netinstall ISO. Now I 
am trying to install LCNC. I cannot seem to find a complete instruction 
to do so. Can I follow the standard Ubuntu 10.04 instructions or is 
there a place to read up on the right way to do it.

What seems confusing to me is this.
1) I dont know if the stock production system can run on Debian.
2) How do I get the linuxcnc-dev installed on Debian. I tried on Ubuntu 
12.04 but failed dismally.
3) What will be the correct software source to work from?
4) How will I get sudo apt-get build-deps linuxcnc to work? It does not 
find a repository.

Peter did give some instruction earlier but he assumed that I had the 
basics installed already.


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Re: [Emc-users] Installing Linuxcnc on fresh Debian

2015-03-13 Thread Rick


Marius,

Here is what Peter sent me awhile back when I started working on my build,

cd ~
sudo apt-get install git-core gitk git-gui
sudo apt-get build-dep linuxcnc
sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae
sudo apt-get install libudev-dev
sudo apt-get install iptables-persistent
git clone git://git.linuxcnc.org/git/linuxcnc.git linuxcnc-dev
cd linuxcnc-dev
git pull
git checkout master
cd src
./autogen.sh
./configure --with-realtime=uspace
make
sudo make setuid


I will hopefully be getting back to my machine within the next week or 
two, so hopefully we hammer things out together.



Rick

On 3/13/2015 7:01 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:

I installed a fresh Debian distro from the debian netinstall ISO. Now I
am trying to install LCNC. I cannot seem to find a complete instruction
to do so. Can I follow the standard Ubuntu 10.04 instructions or is
there a place to read up on the right way to do it.

What seems confusing to me is this.
1) I dont know if the stock production system can run on Debian.
2) How do I get the linuxcnc-dev installed on Debian. I tried on Ubuntu
12.04 but failed dismally.
3) What will be the correct software source to work from?
4) How will I get sudo apt-get build-deps linuxcnc to work? It does not
find a repository.

Peter did give some instruction earlier but he assumed that I had the
basics installed already.


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Re: [Emc-users] Installing Linuxcnc on fresh Debian

2015-03-13 Thread andy pugh

On 13 March 2015 at 12:26, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
   I normally install from source only. It is the only way I know how to
 :(

The packages are rather easier, and faster.

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Re: [Emc-users] Installing Linuxcnc on fresh Debian

2015-03-13 Thread Marius Liebenberg

  I normally install from source only. It is the only way I know how to  
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On 13 March 2015 at 11:01, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za 
wrote:
  I installed a fresh Debian distro from the debian netinstall ISO. Now 
I
  am trying to install LCNC. I cannot seem to find a complete 
instruction
  to do so

Do you want to install from source, or install the pre-compiled 
binaries?

The latter is normally easiest, have a look at :
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/

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Re: [Emc-users] Installing Linuxcnc on fresh Debian

2015-03-13 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky



On 3/13/15 5:01 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 I installed a fresh Debian distro from the debian netinstall ISO. Now I
 am trying to install LCNC. I cannot seem to find a complete instruction
 to do so. Can I follow the standard Ubuntu 10.04 instructions or is

Debian-based distributions (including Debian, Ubuntu, and Mint) should 
all work with the instructions here:

http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Resolving_outstanding_build_dependencies


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Re: [Emc-users] Installing Linuxcnc on fresh Debian

2015-03-13 Thread andy pugh

On 13 March 2015 at 11:01, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
 I installed a fresh Debian distro from the debian netinstall ISO. Now I
 am trying to install LCNC. I cannot seem to find a complete instruction
 to do so

Do you want to install from source, or install the pre-compiled binaries?

The latter is normally easiest, have a look at :
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/

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Re: [Emc-users] Installing Linuxcnc on fresh Debian

2015-03-13 Thread Marius Liebenberg

  Next time, I promise :)

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On 13 March 2015 at 12:26, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za 
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I normally install from source only. It is the only way I know how 
to
  :(

The packages are rather easier, and faster.

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[Emc-users] Installing linuxcnc 2.4.7 from packages

Hi all,

The hard drive failed on one of my customer's machines. They were running
emc2  2.4.7. I was trying to reinstall that so that I can run the known
working configuration without modification. I was trying to run this script
file:
http://linuxcnc.org/lucid/emc2-install.sh

Referenced here:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_EMC2#On_Ubuntu_10_04_usi
ng_precompiled_EMC2_packages

It blows out on a bunch of python related dependencies.

I am trying to install to xubuntu 10.04.2. I did apply all updates before
installing.

Is there a relatively easy way to install older versions of linuxcnc / emc2
from compiled packages?

Thanks,
Eric
 

 


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Re: [Emc-users] Installing linuxcnc 2.4.7 from packages

2013-03-15 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky



Eric H. Johnson ejohn...@camalytics.com wrote:

http://linuxcnc.org/lucid/emc2-install.sh
...
It blows out on a bunch of python related dependencies.

I think that's supposed to work, but it probably hasnt been tested on 2.4 for a 
long time.

Please pastebin the output of running that command, showing everything.


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Re: [Emc-users] Installing linuxcnc 2.4.7 from packages

Re-running the script does not repeat the stuff that succeeded, only that
which failed. Here is what failed:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  emc2: Depends: python2.4-numarray but is not installable
Depends: python2.4-imaging but is not installable
Depends: python2.4-imaging-tk but is not going to be installed
Depends: python ( 2.5) but 2.6.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
Depends: python ( 2.5) but 2.6.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
Depends: bwidget ( 1.8) but 1.9.0-2 is to be installed
Depends: python2.4-tk but is not installable
Depends: python2.4-xml but is not installable


Regards,
Eric


I think that's supposed to work, but it probably hasnt been tested on 2.4
for a long time.

Please pastebin the output of running that command, showing everything.


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Re: [Emc-users] Installing linuxcnc 2.4.7 from packages

Replying to my own post, this looks like the problem, and possibly the
solution:
http://davidjb.com/blog/2010/05/installing-python-2-4-on-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-
lynx

Trying now.

Regards,
Eric

Re-running the script does not repeat the stuff that succeeded, only that
which failed. Here is what failed:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  emc2: Depends: python2.4-numarray but is not installable
Depends: python2.4-imaging but is not installable
Depends: python2.4-imaging-tk but is not going to be installed
Depends: python ( 2.5) but 2.6.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
Depends: python ( 2.5) but 2.6.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
Depends: bwidget ( 1.8) but 1.9.0-2 is to be installed
Depends: python2.4-tk but is not installable
Depends: python2.4-xml but is not installable


Regards,
Eric


I think that's supposed to work, but it probably hasnt been tested on 2.4
for a long time.

Please pastebin the output of running that command, showing everything.


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Re: [Emc-users] Installing linuxcnc 2.4.7 from packages

Ok, I added:
deb http://ubuntu.mirror.cambrium.nl/ubuntu/ hardy-updates main

to my sources.list file and then was able to install:
python2.4-minimal
python2.4
python2.4-dev

But when I run the install script I am still getting the same error.

Regards,
Eric


The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  emc2: Depends: python2.4-numarray but is not installable
Depends: python2.4-imaging but is not installable
Depends: python2.4-imaging-tk but is not going to be installed
Depends: python ( 2.5) but 2.6.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
Depends: python ( 2.5) but 2.6.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
Depends: bwidget ( 1.8) but 1.9.0-2 is to be installed
Depends: python2.4-tk but is not installable
Depends: python2.4-xml but is not installable




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Re: [Emc-users] Installing linuxcnc 2.4.7 from packages

2013-03-15 Thread Eric Keller

Don't you have to do something to the script to point it at python2.4?

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Eric H. Johnson ejohn...@camalytics.comwrote:

 Ok, I added:
 deb http://ubuntu.mirror.cambrium.nl/ubuntu/ hardy-updates main

 to my sources.list file and then was able to install:
 python2.4-minimal
 python2.4
 python2.4-dev

 But when I run the install script I am still getting the same error.

 Regards,
 Eric


 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
   emc2: Depends: python2.4-numarray but is not installable
 Depends: python2.4-imaging but is not installable
 Depends: python2.4-imaging-tk but is not going to be installed
 Depends: python ( 2.5) but 2.6.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
 Depends: python ( 2.5) but 2.6.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
 Depends: bwidget ( 1.8) but 1.9.0-2 is to be installed
 Depends: python2.4-tk but is not installable
 Depends: python2.4-xml but is not installable





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Re: [Emc-users] Installing linuxcnc 2.4.7 from packages

2013-03-15 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky

On Mar 15, 2013, at 11:17 , Eric H. Johnson wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 The hard drive failed on one of my customer's machines. They were running
 emc2  2.4.7. I was trying to reinstall that so that I can run the known
 working configuration without modification. I was trying to run this script
 file:
 http://linuxcnc.org/lucid/emc2-install.sh
 
 Referenced here:
 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_EMC2#On_Ubuntu_10_04_usi
 ng_precompiled_EMC2_packages


I think I found the problem.  The wiki page you looked at is out of date - it 
says at the top in bold to go look at this other page instead:  
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC 

The new page links to a new install script 
(http://linuxcnc.org/install-scripts/lucid/linuxcnc-install.sh) that tries to 
install linuxcnc 2.5 for you, which is not what you want.

But if you download the new script and open it in your favourite text editor 
and change the two places where it says linuxcnc2.5 to emc2.4, then change 
the apt-get install line so it installs emc2 instead of linuxcnc, it 
should work, and should get the correct python packages for emc 2.4 on lucid.

This is what I think from looking at the script, but I haven't tried it!  Let 
us know if it work.


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