Re: [expert] Emptying CUPS print queue
On 22-Aug-2001 J. C. Woods wrote: D. R. Evans wrote: On 22 Aug 01, at 22:04, DStevenson wrote: On the machine with the pinter attached: lpq - to show what jobs are in the queue cancel [job id] - to kill the job Always works for me. Nope. cancel is the same as lprm, and that's the first thing I always try, in the forlorn hope that perhaps this time it will work. Yes, the queue status says that it's empty but the printer keeps spewing out the screwed-up binary. It works fine (here) for removing yet-to-be-printed jobs from the queue, but not for ones that have started printing. Doc Evans Have your tried lprm-cups? Do you even have such an executeable, /usr/bin/lprm-cups? lprm is a link to lprm-cups or the lpd lprm. Maybe you can switch back to lpd printing if cups isn't working out for you. I've also switched back to lpd because I couldn't set up the printer as I wanted. Gregor -- E-Mail: Gregor Maier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 23-Aug-2001 Time: 08:58:13 -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] printer woes
On 22-Aug-2001 Bruce E. Harris wrote: I have tried everything and can not get my printer to work with MK 8--it did for a time under 7.2 until I upgraded cups. I never has this printer or my pervious, Canon BJC 6000 work under MK 8. I have a Epson Stylus Photo 870 connected to my parallel port and tired USB. It did work with USB, but painfully slow and very faint--totally unusable. I tried the web interface with cups and I see the printer there but cant get it to print. I tried KCUPS and that is how I got the USB to work (sort of) but it will not see my parallel port. Under Mandrake Control Center, Hardware, Hardware, I see a printer icon, but nothing identified for it, as if it is empty. Under Printer, I try to set it up but get an error saying lp not ready. Then I delete the printer and reinstall and still wont print. It acts as if my parallel port is not there. But this printer works great under Win95 attached to the parallel port. But all the software I use is Linux, so that point is really mute. What else can I try? This problem is getting critial since I need a working printer for my new job. I got similiar problems with cups so I switched back to lpd. I uninstalled the cups packages, installed the lpd packages then I downloaded printtool from RedHat (either hasn't Mdk got printtool anymore it just work with cups). Then I configured my printer with printtool just as I did in LM 7.1 and it worked fine. You should check the lpr, lprm, lpq commands IIRC they are symbolic links that need to be adjusted if you switch to lpd. Gregor -- E-Mail: Gregor Maier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 23-Aug-2001 Time: 09:10:17 -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] file block size
On 22-Aug-2001 Scott St. John wrote: Hi everyone- We are considering finally putting Mandrake in production to replace some outdated FreeBSD servers. We have 70gig raid controlled servers, but seem to have some trouble with changing the default file block size. This box will serve as a web server and we want to drop the file block size down to avoid using up the drives on little html files. Any advice on where to start? Thanks for your help. -Scott i don't know for reiserfs, but you can sure do it with the ext2 filesystem. The thing you need is mke2fs -i BYTES-PER-INODE ... of mke2fs -N NUMBER-OF-INODES have a look at the man page of the appropriate mkfs man page for more information. I suppose that there is a similiar thing with reieserfs. This BYTES-PER-INODE is also the number of bytes a file will occupy on all circumstances on your harddisk. But don't make this value too small because then the number of inodes (the max. number of files) will become quite big and you diskspace and performance. AFAIK the default value for such fs-sizes is 8k per inode. Probably a value of 1 or 2k will fit your needs. Gregor -- E-Mail: Gregor Maier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 23-Aug-2001 Time: 09:18:40 -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Wireless LAN-cards (802.11)
Hi, I am considering getting a wireless ethernet card, but I haven't heard much talk about this issue under Linux. I already have a toshiba notebook wich is WIFI certified, and now I would like to get a WIFI PCI card for my home server (The server is running Mandrake 8). After a short investigation on the Internet it seems that the Agere/Lucent ORiNOCO Mini PCI card is affordable and according to the documentation is shipped with a linux river. Does anyone have expierience with this card? or with other WIFI cards under Mandrake /David Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Galeon - How To Make Flash Work?
I'm looking for information regarding the installation of Flash player for Galeon. Have any of you the experience or a source for such info? LM8.0 Galeon-0.11.1-1 TIA, Sevatio Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Mandrake 8.0 and IPv6
Hi all, I was told that Mandrake 8.0 is IPv6 enabled. However, I can not use it to implement IPv6 !!!.I guess to have IPv6 enabled is not enough to directly use it. What should I do to get IPv6 working, any additional patches that I should run?. any body can help ? Regards Gadir _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Wireless LAN-cards (802.11)
i would say lucent orinoco would be a good choice. i have got just two lucent orinoco silver cards and they work well with linux. one good thing at these lucent cards is that they have a connetctor for external antennas. on this way i setup a wireless wan-network. one important thing is that you dont use the kernel-builtin pcmcia-cs-drivers. use the external ones. some information is available at: http://www.seattlewireless.net/ On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, David Christiani (DC) wrote: Hi, I am considering getting a wireless ethernet card, but I haven't heard much talk about this issue under Linux. I already have a toshiba notebook wich is WIFI certified, and now I would like to get a WIFI PCI card for my home server (The server is running Mandrake 8). After a short investigation on the Internet it seems that the Agere/Lucent ORiNOCO Mini PCI card is affordable and according to the documentation is shipped with a linux river. Does anyone have expierience with this card? or with other WIFI cards under Mandrake /David Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Galeon - How To Make Flash Work?
Nevermind. I found that by installing the flash player for Mozilla, it also worked for Galeon. Original Message On 8/23/01, 1:14:02 AM, Sevatio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding [expert] Galeon - How To Make Flash Work?: I'm looking for information regarding the installation of Flash player for Galeon. Have any of you the experience or a source for such info? LM8.0 Galeon-0.11.1-1 TIA, Sevatio Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Wireless LAN-cards (802.11)
Hi David, I am considering getting a wireless ethernet card, but I haven't heard much talk about this issue under Linux. I already have a toshiba notebook wich is WIFI certified, and now I would like to get a WIFI PCI card for my home server (The server is running Mandrake 8). After a short investigation on the Internet it seems that the Agere/Lucent ORiNOCO Mini PCI card is affordable and according to the documentation is shipped with a linux river. I work in a Distributor of Lucent products in Brasil. Here a lot of ISP works with Wireless Lan products in Linux. It works fine. I think that MINI PCI is for OEM only. You can install a PCI/ISA PCMCIA adapter in your desktop and after this process install PCMCIA ORiNOCO Wireless LAN card. Mandrake 8.0 have a module for these cards (wvlan_cs). Does anyone have expierience with this card? or with other WIFI cards under Mandrake I use ORiNOCO PCMCIA in my notebook running Mandrake 8.0. Best Regards, Flavio Correa [EMAIL PROTECTED] /David Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Athalon 1.2gig MDK 8.0
You didn't mentioned the motherboard used or it's chipset. Some chipsets are especially sensitive to certain combinations of settings... I.E. enabling Write Combining, 4x and FAST Writes on your AGP will probably hang your video card, etc. -JMS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Craig Jansen Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 6:48 AM To: Mandrake Experts Subject: [expert] Athalon 1.2gig MDK 8.0 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi.. Here's the problem.. An install of Mandrake 8.0 occasionally Seg Fault's during the second stage.. But when it doesn't do that while formatting hda6 (15 gig) everything locks up. This machine has just had a new HDD Processor put in and the crowd that did it (Was a Warrenty Job) reset the bios to Factory Default. It originally installed MDK 8.0 without problems.. The System is AMD 1.2gig CPU 256meg ram 20gig Fujitsu MPG3204AT E, ATA HDD. TNT2 32meg AGP graphics card.. - From what I can gather it is a bios setting that is screwed up. Anyone have any Idea's. TIA. Best Regards Craig Jansen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: CeeJay Computer Services http://www.cjcs.yi.org iEYEARECAAYFAjuE31MACgkQAUfizNDbsR8ikwCgyiWG1SvFM7k4FEnRTRnSGzmb PQcAoM6ebRHa6Qlzbmw0f7n8XN4TLHtF =Pte6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Athalon 1.2gig MDK 8.0
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:04, you wrote: You didn't mentioned the motherboard used or it's chipset. Unfortunatley I don't actually have that information on hand.. The system in question is offsite it's abit late at night to ring the owner now! :) Some chipsets are especially sensitive to certain combinations of settings... I.E. enabling Write Combining, 4x and FAST Writes on your AGP will probably hang your video card, etc. So I am correct in thinking is is a BIOS setting problem and not a hardware one.. (I don't think the original 20gig HDD (Which died during a Windows 98 Scandisk) was a Fujitsu) Best Regards Craig Jansen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: CeeJay Computer Services http://www.cjcs.yi.org iEYEARECAAYFAjuE6OoACgkQAUfizNDbsR8WmwCdFskNMGD71FspnL+FEwGR9x5s O6wAnRz/Y329GX79mGzwHsb9cgNoLEuE =/AoR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Linux Mandrake 8.1 beta1 RPM problem
Lieven, You're welcome, glad it helped, and thanks for your notes! I'm going to make an effort to revise the document (and incorporate your notes) over the next week or so, and then I'll let you know and, ask, if you have time, to review the instructions and see if you notice any remaining problems or have any other comments. (My next rewrite will probably be to make it technically correct and much more concise, then I'll work on readability, splitting into two versions, one that I will call ...Beginner (for newbies) and one that I will call ...Reminder (the very concise version for people who have used rsync before and just need a brief reminder). I understand your note about opening port 873 through the firewall, but need to refresh my memory on --compare-dest. I apparently did not include it in my notes, but I eventually found out (IIRC) that --compare-dest will not do one of the things I was hoping for -- that is serve as an alternate source of raw corrupted file that rsync could work from -- IIRC, rsync can work either from a specified local copy, or the --compare-dest, but can't handle both at the same time. (I've reread my notes, but can't find the complete explanation on that point.) BTW, out of curiosity, did you have any (much) trouble dealing with editing the twiki? Have you used a wiki or twiki before? Randy Kramer Lieven Van Acker wrote: Hi Randy, thank you. This is saving me some bandwith at least! I tried this and added some notes to the wiki. BTW: the other dutch mirror - ftp.surfnet.nl - has the same corrupted CD2-image. Lieven Randy Kramer wrote: Lieven, If you find a noncorrupted CD2 image, you might be able to rsync it instead of redownloading the whole thing. I wrote some notes when I used it to correct a MandrakeFreq download (for Mandrake 7.2) -- see: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/edit/Test/RsyncingALargeFile It worked well for me after I got through the learning curve. (The notes are pretty bad -- I recorded them while I was learning and had some problems. I believe the most recent notes are on the top half of the page. (I hurriedly translated these from swiki markup to twiki markup today, I never did a proper edit of the notes for content and readability. If you try rsync and have any comments about the notes, please let me know (or change the notes yourself -- that's why wikis exist). Hope this helps, Randy Kramer --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] KDE uses always at least half the power of the proc
On 22-Aug-2001 Olaf Marzocchi wrote: Yesterday I had to compress a big tar archive (350MB) with Bzip2. I launched it from a console inside KDE, then in a second console I launched top, that told me KDE was using 46% (at least) of the processor's power, and bzip2 45-50%. I thought it was strange, since KDE was doing NOTHING!! that console was the only app running! Could you explain this? One (among many) reasons to switch to Linux is the better use of the power, so what is this? Another (silly) question: I didn't remember how to compress the archive with tar then bzip using a single command line, in order to have only the final .tar.bz2 file in the HD without passing from the .tar file. Could you write it? for the compression use the -j option to tar i.e tar cfvj xxx.tar.bz2 somefiles -- E-Mail: Gregor Maier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 23-Aug-2001 Time: 14:31:36 -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] printer woes
Gregor, Thanks for the tips, but I cant figure out how/what to symbolic link what to what. Can you give me an idea? TIA Bruce I got similiar problems with cups so I switched back to lpd. I uninstalled the cups packages, installed the lpd packages then I downloaded printtool from RedHat (either hasn't Mdk got printtool anymore it just work with cups). Then I configured my printer with printtool just as I did in LM 7.1 and it worked fine. You should check the lpr, lprm, lpq commands IIRC they are symbolic links that need to be adjusted if you switch to lpd. Gregor -- E-Mail: Gregor Maier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 23-Aug-2001 Time: 09:10:17 -- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Athalon 1.2gig MDK 8.0
It may be a BIOS setting, it may be a combination of AGP versus video card, it may also be having the UDMA mode turned on without proper cables, etc. -JMS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Craig Jansen Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 7:29 AM To: Mandrake Experts Subject: Re: [expert] Athalon 1.2gig MDK 8.0 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:04, you wrote: You didn't mentioned the motherboard used or it's chipset. Unfortunatley I don't actually have that information on hand.. The system in question is offsite it's abit late at night to ring the owner now! :) Some chipsets are especially sensitive to certain combinations of settings... I.E. enabling Write Combining, 4x and FAST Writes on your AGP will probably hang your video card, etc. So I am correct in thinking is is a BIOS setting problem and not a hardware one.. (I don't think the original 20gig HDD (Which died during a Windows 98 Scandisk) was a Fujitsu) Best Regards Craig Jansen Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kapm-idled????
On Thursday 23 August 2001 11:10 am, Mark Weaver methodically organized electrons to state: Hi list, there's something strange here on my Mandrake 8.0 box and try as i might i can't find it to kill it! it seems to be a process of some sort that when it runs it cripples my system making it impossible to get any work done. what ever this is it shows up in kpm and top like this: [kapm-idled] Could someone please tell me what this is and how to kill it once and for all? i've attempted every way and manner available to me that i know of that you would normally use to stop a process that has gotten away. All of them have no affect on this one though. It's a common complaint, easily found in the mail list archives, had you bothered to search them. IIRC, the canonical answer is that it is a pseudo proceess set up to allow for some kind of accounting measurement; it's harmless; it doesn't really use those resources; it can safely be ignored. Oh . . . and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] kapm-idled????
It's an idle task there to soak up unused CPU cycles. It should run at 100% - whatever %ge the rest of the box is using. It's not actually using the CPU cycles that top shows - it just credited with them in the accounting files. It's not your problem. CPU states: 5.3% user, 20.5% system, 0.0% nice, 74.1% idle You're running at 74.1% idle - plenty of spare cycles on your box, it's hardly breaking a sweat. Now, how do we find your problem - next time this happens, switch to another console (Ctrl-alt-F5 for instance) and 'tail -50 /var/log/messages' and post the result. Is there any HD activity on your box when this happens? Also, I notice that X seems to consuming a hell of a lot of ram on your machine - I don't have an Mandrake 8.0 machine here at work, to check but I'm sure my box with 256 meg doesn't have 37M sucked up by X! Steve Flynn NOP Data Migration Ops Analyst * 01603 687386 -Original Message- From: Mark Weaver [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[expert] kapm-idled Hi list, there's something strange here on my Mandrake 8.0 box and try as i might i can't find it to kill it! it seems to be a process of some sort that when it runs it cripples my system making it impossible to get any work done. what ever this is it shows up in kpm and top like this: [kapm-idled] however, it's anything but idle. as i said it is crippling my system when it runs. here is a bit from the top screen showing the information as it's running: 10:57am up 20:30, 2 users, load average: 0.44, 1.48, 1.42 80 processes: 77 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 5.3% user, 20.5% system, 0.0% nice, 74.1% idle Mem: 125600K av, 62400K used, 63200K free, 0K shrd, 892K buff Swap: 265032K av, 52372K used, 212660K free 29892K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 3 root 14 0 00 0 SW 40.3 0.0 4:36 kapm-idled 1486 root 14 0 48128 37M 4032 R 4.5 30.5 5:07 X 4468 mark 12 0 2916 2180 1936 R 1.5 1.7 0:01 kdeinit 1637 mark 9 0 3512 2604 2096 S 1.1 2.0 0:19 kicker 1610 mark 9 0 2684 1796 1632 S 0.3 1.4 0:28 kdeinit 4529 mark 11 0 952 940 716 R 0.3 0.7 0:01 top 1645 mark 9 0 3180 1732 1580 S 0.1 1.3 0:21 kdeinit 1 root 9 0 104 6060 S 0.0 0.0 0:04 init as you can see it runs as a root process but i can't find its origin to kill the process. left to run long enough it will fill the swap space and then the only way to recover from this is to reboot the system. This has been going on since i installed Mdk 8.0 on this machine 7 days ago. AFter rebooting the machine runs fine. Then, out of nowehere kapm-idled pops up and efectively renders the machine useless until it decides to stop running. IF it decides to stop running. Which it has on two seperate occasions. That is not the norm though with this diseased mystery process. Could someone please tell me what this is and how to kill it once and for all? i've attempted every way and manner available to me that i know of that you would normally use to stop a process that has gotten away. All of them have no affect on this one though. Feel free to email me direct with any information if you so desire. thanks, -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Beware of little sins. Mosquitoes drink more blood than lions. Author unknown File: message.footer ** This email and any files sent with it are intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient please telephone/email the sender immediately. You should not disclose the content or take/retain/distribute any copies. ** Norwich Union Life Pensions Limited Registered Office 2 Rougier Street York YO90 1UU Registered in England Number 3253947 A member of the Norwich Union Marketing Group which is regulated by the Personal Investment Authority. Member of the Association of British Insurers. For further Enquires 01603 622200 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] kapm-idled????
I've read this before and have seen this with Mandrake. I'm no expert but it makes my machine sluggish also. Very much so. RedHat 7.1 also has this process running. However it uses 0% CPU cycles. This is the main reason I'm using redhat now. I simply could not deal with the sluggishness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of FLYNN, Steve Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:30 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [expert] kapm-idled It's an idle task there to soak up unused CPU cycles. It should run at 100% - whatever %ge the rest of the box is using. It's not actually using the CPU cycles that top shows - it just credited with them in the accounting files. It's not your problem. CPU states: 5.3% user, 20.5% system, 0.0% nice, 74.1% idle You're running at 74.1% idle - plenty of spare cycles on your box, it's hardly breaking a sweat. Now, how do we find your problem - next time this happens, switch to another console (Ctrl-alt-F5 for instance) and 'tail -50 /var/log/messages' and post the result. Is there any HD activity on your box when this happens? Also, I notice that X seems to consuming a hell of a lot of ram on your machine - I don't have an Mandrake 8.0 machine here at work, to check but I'm sure my box with 256 meg doesn't have 37M sucked up by X! Steve Flynn NOP Data Migration Ops Analyst * 01603 687386 -Original Message- From: Mark Weaver [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[expert] kapm-idled Hi list, there's something strange here on my Mandrake 8.0 box and try as i might i can't find it to kill it! it seems to be a process of some sort that when it runs it cripples my system making it impossible to get any work done. what ever this is it shows up in kpm and top like this: [kapm-idled] however, it's anything but idle. as i said it is crippling my system when it runs. here is a bit from the top screen showing the information as it's running: 10:57am up 20:30, 2 users, load average: 0.44, 1.48, 1.42 80 processes: 77 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 5.3% user, 20.5% system, 0.0% nice, 74.1% idle Mem: 125600K av, 62400K used, 63200K free, 0K shrd, 892K buff Swap: 265032K av, 52372K used, 212660K free 29892K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 3 root 14 0 00 0 SW 40.3 0.0 4:36 kapm-idled 1486 root 14 0 48128 37M 4032 R 4.5 30.5 5:07 X 4468 mark 12 0 2916 2180 1936 R 1.5 1.7 0:01 kdeinit 1637 mark 9 0 3512 2604 2096 S 1.1 2.0 0:19 kicker 1610 mark 9 0 2684 1796 1632 S 0.3 1.4 0:28 kdeinit 4529 mark 11 0 952 940 716 R 0.3 0.7 0:01 top 1645 mark 9 0 3180 1732 1580 S 0.1 1.3 0:21 kdeinit 1 root 9 0 104 6060 S 0.0 0.0 0:04 init as you can see it runs as a root process but i can't find its origin to kill the process. left to run long enough it will fill the swap space and then the only way to recover from this is to reboot the system. This has been going on since i installed Mdk 8.0 on this machine 7 days ago. AFter rebooting the machine runs fine. Then, out of nowehere kapm-idled pops up and efectively renders the machine useless until it decides to stop running. IF it decides to stop running. Which it has on two seperate occasions. That is not the norm though with this diseased mystery process. Could someone please tell me what this is and how to kill it once and for all? i've attempted every way and manner available to me that i know of that you would normally use to stop a process that has gotten away. All of them have no affect on this one though. Feel free to email me direct with any information if you so desire. thanks, -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Beware of little sins. Mosquitoes drink more blood than lions. Author unknown File: message.footer ** This email and any files sent with it are intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient please telephone/email the sender immediately. You should not disclose the content or take/retain/distribute any copies. ** Norwich Union Life Pensions Limited Registered Office 2 Rougier Street York YO90 1UU Registered in
RE: [expert] kapm-idled????
Wow! thank you Steve, things are beginning to fall into place. i first noticed the condition described soon after installation and use. i was curious about Gnome/Sawfish so i started that desktop and found it gorgeous. but also very resource intensive. Then, i started looking around to see if i could find the culprit that was sucking me dry. The machine i've got this running on is a Celeron 800Mhz Dell box with 128MB of RAM. So it's not an older machine ill-equipped for the task. i really like the new look and feel of Gnome/sawfish, but in order to get any work done i'm forced to use IceWM or even KDE which place far less demands on the system. But i shall definately do as you've suggested. thank you very much! -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Beware of little sins. Mosquitoes drink more blood than lions. Author unknown On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, FLYNN, Steve wrote: It's an idle task there to soak up unused CPU cycles. It should run at 100% - whatever %ge the rest of the box is using. It's not actually using the CPU cycles that top shows - it just credited with them in the accounting files. It's not your problem. CPU states: 5.3% user, 20.5% system, 0.0% nice, 74.1% idle You're running at 74.1% idle - plenty of spare cycles on your box, it's hardly breaking a sweat. Now, how do we find your problem - next time this happens, switch to another console (Ctrl-alt-F5 for instance) and 'tail -50 /var/log/messages' and post the result. Is there any HD activity on your box when this happens? Also, I notice that X seems to consuming a hell of a lot of ram on your machine - I don't have an Mandrake 8.0 machine here at work, to check but I'm sure my box with 256 meg doesn't have 37M sucked up by X! Steve Flynn NOP Data Migration Ops Analyst * 01603 687386 -Original Message- From: Mark Weaver [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[expert] kapm-idled Hi list, there's something strange here on my Mandrake 8.0 box and try as i might i can't find it to kill it! it seems to be a process of some sort that when it runs it cripples my system making it impossible to get any work done. what ever this is it shows up in kpm and top like this: [kapm-idled] however, it's anything but idle. as i said it is crippling my system when it runs. here is a bit from the top screen showing the information as it's running: 10:57am up 20:30, 2 users, load average: 0.44, 1.48, 1.42 80 processes: 77 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 5.3% user, 20.5% system, 0.0% nice, 74.1% idle Mem: 125600K av, 62400K used, 63200K free, 0K shrd, 892K buff Swap: 265032K av, 52372K used, 212660K free 29892K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 3 root 14 0 00 0 SW 40.3 0.0 4:36 kapm-idled 1486 root 14 0 48128 37M 4032 R 4.5 30.5 5:07 X 4468 mark 12 0 2916 2180 1936 R 1.5 1.7 0:01 kdeinit 1637 mark 9 0 3512 2604 2096 S 1.1 2.0 0:19 kicker 1610 mark 9 0 2684 1796 1632 S 0.3 1.4 0:28 kdeinit 4529 mark 11 0 952 940 716 R 0.3 0.7 0:01 top 1645 mark 9 0 3180 1732 1580 S 0.1 1.3 0:21 kdeinit 1 root 9 0 104 6060 S 0.0 0.0 0:04 init as you can see it runs as a root process but i can't find its origin to kill the process. left to run long enough it will fill the swap space and then the only way to recover from this is to reboot the system. This has been going on since i installed Mdk 8.0 on this machine 7 days ago. AFter rebooting the machine runs fine. Then, out of nowehere kapm-idled pops up and efectively renders the machine useless until it decides to stop running. IF it decides to stop running. Which it has on two seperate occasions. That is not the norm though with this diseased mystery process. Could someone please tell me what this is and how to kill it once and for all? i've attempted every way and manner available to me that i know of that you would normally use to stop a process that has gotten away. All of them have no affect on this one though. Feel free to email me direct with any information if you so desire. thanks, -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Beware of little sins. Mosquitoes drink more blood than lions. Author unknown File: message.footer ** This email and any files sent with it are
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indeed! there was something that i forgot to mention the original post that Steve's post reminded me about. at the time it started i had Netscape6 running AND i was testing a .cgi script that typically produces a lot of I/O for a time while it's gathering the data and outputting to screen in the form of an HTML file. But! and here's the rub. I've run this program and others like it before without having this experience. The only time i've noticed this problem was when kapm-idled was present. now i don't doubt what these guys have said so far, and yes...even what Hoyt said is valid even though he must not have been himself when he said it... (and since i did get my two cents in i'll let it go at that) it still strikes me as mysterious as to the cause of the system being debilitated as it has been. i'm actually looking forward to the next episode so i can impliment Steve's suggestion to see what happens next! -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Beware of little sins. Mosquitoes drink more blood than lions. Author unknown On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Alan N. wrote: I've read this before and have seen this with Mandrake. I'm no expert but it makes my machine sluggish also. Very much so. RedHat 7.1 also has this process running. However it uses 0% CPU cycles. This is the main reason I'm using redhat now. I simply could not deal with the sluggishness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of FLYNN, Steve Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:30 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [expert] kapm-idled It's an idle task there to soak up unused CPU cycles. It should run at 100% - whatever %ge the rest of the box is using. It's not actually using the CPU cycles that top shows - it just credited with them in the accounting files. It's not your problem. CPU states: 5.3% user, 20.5% system, 0.0% nice, 74.1% idle You're running at 74.1% idle - plenty of spare cycles on your box, it's hardly breaking a sweat. Now, how do we find your problem - next time this happens, switch to another console (Ctrl-alt-F5 for instance) and 'tail -50 /var/log/messages' and post the result. Is there any HD activity on your box when this happens? Also, I notice that X seems to consuming a hell of a lot of ram on your machine - I don't have an Mandrake 8.0 machine here at work, to check but I'm sure my box with 256 meg doesn't have 37M sucked up by X! Steve Flynn NOP Data Migration Ops Analyst * 01603 687386 -Original Message- From: Mark Weaver [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[expert] kapm-idled Hi list, there's something strange here on my Mandrake 8.0 box and try as i might i can't find it to kill it! it seems to be a process of some sort that when it runs it cripples my system making it impossible to get any work done. what ever this is it shows up in kpm and top like this: [kapm-idled] however, it's anything but idle. as i said it is crippling my system when it runs. here is a bit from the top screen showing the information as it's running: 10:57am up 20:30, 2 users, load average: 0.44, 1.48, 1.42 80 processes: 77 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 5.3% user, 20.5% system, 0.0% nice, 74.1% idle Mem: 125600K av, 62400K used, 63200K free, 0K shrd, 892K buff Swap: 265032K av, 52372K used, 212660K free 29892K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 3 root 14 0 00 0 SW 40.3 0.0 4:36 kapm-idled 1486 root 14 0 48128 37M 4032 R 4.5 30.5 5:07 X 4468 mark 12 0 2916 2180 1936 R 1.5 1.7 0:01 kdeinit 1637 mark 9 0 3512 2604 2096 S 1.1 2.0 0:19 kicker 1610 mark 9 0 2684 1796 1632 S 0.3 1.4 0:28 kdeinit 4529 mark 11 0 952 940 716 R 0.3 0.7 0:01 top 1645 mark 9 0 3180 1732 1580 S 0.1 1.3 0:21 kdeinit 1 root 9 0 104 6060 S 0.0 0.0 0:04 init as you can see it runs as a root process but i can't find its origin to kill the process. left to run long enough it will fill the swap space and then the only way to recover from this is to reboot the system. This has been going on since i installed Mdk 8.0 on this machine 7 days ago. AFter rebooting the machine runs fine. Then, out of nowehere kapm-idled pops up and efectively renders the machine useless until it decides to stop running. IF it decides to stop running. Which it has on two seperate occasions. That is not the norm though with this diseased mystery process. Could someone please
Re: [expert] kapm-idled????
On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [kapm-idled] Your poor 266 cpu is thanking you! kapm-idled is a kernel daemon that constantly sends idle calls to your cpu. On laptops, making the idle call actually puts the cpu into a state where it saves more power. It doesn't hurt your cpu, but rather, is by design. Just for reference, kapm-idled stands for: K(ernel) A(dvanced) P(ower) M(anagement) Idle D(aemon) Its also worthy to note that kernel threads and processes can't be killed from userland. (From some list) FLYNN, Steve wrote: Also, I notice that X seems to consuming a hell of a lot of ram on your machine - I don't have an Mandrake 8.0 machine here at work, to check but I'm sure my box with 256 meg doesn't have 37M sucked up by X! Yes it does, sometimes even more (I've got 256) top: 1651 root 18 0 51692 50M 2364 R 2.9 20.2 2:19 X ah, now I'm not a lurker anymore. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
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On August 23, 2001 09:50 am, Mark Weaver wrote: Ok, hoyt... clearly either you got up on the wrong side of the keyboard, or you're just normally a smart ass with few people skills. actually, since i've been a long time subscriber to this list the MAIL LIST ARCHIVES was the first place i looked. whereupon, finding NO information there OR on my system i turned here! and YES, it DOES use that much of the resources. the measurement i provided is mild as to it's usual operating status on the system its usually much worse. ergo the crippling of the system. so, do us all a favor and GET a personallity before answering any more postings, will ya? asshole! Being personality impaired myself, I'll just do this: http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg36290.html http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg36188.html http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg37375.html -- Live fast, die young, you're sucking up my bandwidth J.P. Pasnak, CD Warped Systems http://www.warpedsystems.sk.ca http://canopener.ca Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] kapm-idled????
OKEnough already. You're all making me wonder if I want to ask any questions on this list. Linux users have a reputation of wanting to help each other. Is this the kind of response I can expect to my questions if I ever get up the nerve to ask one? What if I don't puntuate properlyor forbid it that I should make a mistake and not mount my floppy before trying to read it.or who knows what MISTAKE I might make..please move on to another topic. Doug Gough -Original Message- From: J.P.Pasnak [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] kapm-idled On August 23, 2001 09:50 am, Mark Weaver wrote: Ok, hoyt... clearly either you got up on the wrong side of the keyboard, or you're just normally a smart ass with few people skills. actually, since i've been a long time subscriber to this list the MAIL LIST ARCHIVES was the first place i looked. whereupon, finding NO information there OR on my system i turned here! and YES, it DOES use that much of the resources. the measurement i provided is mild as to it's usual operating status on the system its usually much worse. ergo the crippling of the system. so, do us all a favor and GET a personallity before answering any more postings, will ya? asshole! Being personality impaired myself, I'll just do this: http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg36290.html http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg36188.html http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg37375.html -- Live fast, die young, you're sucking up my bandwidth J.P. Pasnak, CD Warped Systems http://www.warpedsystems.sk.ca http://canopener.ca File: message.footer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
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Civileme, it's interesting that you would point that very thing out because i've got exactly that on this system. Windows lives on the WD drive and Mandrake on the Maxtor drive. Would this till have a bearing on the problem? -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Beware of little sins. Mosquitoes drink more blood than lions. Author unknown On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, civileme wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 11:10, Mark Weaver wrote: Hi list, there's something strange here on my Mandrake 8.0 box and try as i might i can't find it to kill it! it seems to be a process of some sort that when it runs it cripples my system making it impossible to get any work done. what ever this is it shows up in kpm and top like this: [kapm-idled] however, it's anything but idle. as i said it is crippling my system when it runs. here is a bit from the top screen showing the information as it's running: 10:57am up 20:30, 2 users, load average: 0.44, 1.48, 1.42 80 processes: 77 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 5.3% user, 20.5% system, 0.0% nice, 74.1% idle Mem: 125600K av, 62400K used, 63200K free, 0K shrd, 892K buff Swap: 265032K av, 52372K used, 212660K free 29892K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 3 root 14 0 00 0 SW 40.3 0.0 4:36 kapm-idled 1486 root 14 0 48128 37M 4032 R 4.5 30.5 5:07 X 4468 mark 12 0 2916 2180 1936 R 1.5 1.7 0:01 kdeinit 1637 mark 9 0 3512 2604 2096 S 1.1 2.0 0:19 kicker 1610 mark 9 0 2684 1796 1632 S 0.3 1.4 0:28 kdeinit 4529 mark 11 0 952 940 716 R 0.3 0.7 0:01 top 1645 mark 9 0 3180 1732 1580 S 0.1 1.3 0:21 kdeinit 1 root 9 0 104 6060 S 0.0 0.0 0:04 init as you can see it runs as a root process but i can't find its origin to kill the process. left to run long enough it will fill the swap space and then the only way to recover from this is to reboot the system. This has been going on since i installed Mdk 8.0 on this machine 7 days ago. AFter rebooting the machine runs fine. Then, out of nowehere kapm-idled pops up and efectively renders the machine useless until it decides to stop running. IF it decides to stop running. Which it has on two seperate occasions. That is not the norm though with this diseased mystery process. Could someone please tell me what this is and how to kill it once and for all? i've attempted every way and manner available to me that i know of that you would normally use to stop a process that has gotten away. All of them have no affect on this one though. Feel free to email me direct with any information if you so desire. thanks, I would be inclined to check for a corrupted install. Crashtesters in some cases reported this problem--memory leak symptoms, and in each case it was something corruptng the install. One crashtester had a fast maxtor and a slow WD on the same IDE channel and timing chatter was destroying his system even as he installed it--splitting the disks and reinstalling fixed the problem. It is not kapm-idled which is not even a process. It must be something else, and it is not commonly reported (like yours is the 4th report I have seen for 8.0 and the other three were corrupted installs.). Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
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HA! :) laughing heartily J.P. thats good and thank you for the links. -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Beware of little sins. Mosquitoes drink more blood than lions. Author unknown On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, J.P.Pasnak wrote: On August 23, 2001 09:50 am, Mark Weaver wrote: Ok, hoyt... clearly either you got up on the wrong side of the keyboard, or you're just normally a smart ass with few people skills. actually, since i've been a long time subscriber to this list the MAIL LIST ARCHIVES was the first place i looked. whereupon, finding NO information there OR on my system i turned here! and YES, it DOES use that much of the resources. the measurement i provided is mild as to it's usual operating status on the system its usually much worse. ergo the crippling of the system. so, do us all a favor and GET a personallity before answering any more postings, will ya? asshole! Being personality impaired myself, I'll just do this: http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg36290.html http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg36188.html http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg37375.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kapm-idled????
so, are you saying that the amount of RAM that X is using is ok? or is there something amiss here with the amount that it's using? -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Beware of little sins. Mosquitoes drink more blood than lions. Author unknown On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Alexander poslavsky wrote: On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [kapm-idled] Your poor 266 cpu is thanking you! kapm-idled is a kernel daemon that constantly sends idle calls to your cpu. On laptops, making the idle call actually puts the cpu into a state where it saves more power. It doesn't hurt your cpu, but rather, is by design. Just for reference, kapm-idled stands for: K(ernel) A(dvanced) P(ower) M(anagement) Idle D(aemon) Its also worthy to note that kernel threads and processes can't be killed from userland. (From some list) FLYNN, Steve wrote: Also, I notice that X seems to consuming a hell of a lot of ram on your machine - I don't have an Mandrake 8.0 machine here at work, to check but I'm sure my box with 256 meg doesn't have 37M sucked up by X! Yes it does, sometimes even more (I've got 256) top: 1651 root 18 0 51692 50M 2364 R 2.9 20.2 2:19 X ah, now I'm not a lurker anymore. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Bad CD?
I just figured out the trouble I've been having installing Mandrake 8 most likely has to do with a defective CD. I downloaded the ISO's and burned with my Yamaha 8824S and cdrecord with speed=4 after verifying the download with md5sum. Even so, during attempted installation there are always error messages on at least one of the XFree86 RPM's, server 4.0.3 being the culprit in the current attempt. I put the CD into my RedHat 6.2 box and tried to verify the RPM, but a version mismatch nixes that. I tried copying the RPM to HD using OS/2, with no problem, but that doesn't really prove anything except that the file on the CD is readable. How do I figure out for sure if the CD is really bad? -- Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. President John Adams Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
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Doug, normally that is not the kind of response i post to the list as i stated somewhere in the this thread. however, that is the kind of response i send to people from time to time who _assume_ they're chastising a youngster who hasn't taken the time to do the basic, simple research that most would do _before_ posting a quesiton on the expert list. Please, by all means ask your questions, because ALL, (all being in caps for folks who have a problem with questions that they see as assumably unresearched - ;P ) questions are valid, relevant and accepted on this list and the newbie list. that is, after all, why the list is here. So, Doug...please don't let my scolding of Hoyt deter you in any way from taking advantage of the collective knowledge of those who read this list. Including, from on occasion, myself. -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Beware of little sins. Mosquitoes drink more blood than lions. Author unknown On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Doug Gough wrote: OKEnough already. You're all making me wonder if I want to ask any questions on this list. Linux users have a reputation of wanting to help each other. Is this the kind of response I can expect to my questions if I ever get up the nerve to ask one? What if I don't puntuate properlyor forbid it that I should make a mistake and not mount my floppy before trying to read it.or who knows what MISTAKE I might make..please move on to another topic. Doug Gough -Original Message- From:J.P.Pasnak [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] kapm-idled On August 23, 2001 09:50 am, Mark Weaver wrote: Ok, hoyt... clearly either you got up on the wrong side of the keyboard, or you're just normally a smart ass with few people skills. actually, since i've been a long time subscriber to this list the MAIL LIST ARCHIVES was the first place i looked. whereupon, finding NO information there OR on my system i turned here! and YES, it DOES use that much of the resources. the measurement i provided is mild as to it's usual operating status on the system its usually much worse. ergo the crippling of the system. so, do us all a favor and GET a personallity before answering any more postings, will ya? asshole! Being personality impaired myself, I'll just do this: http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg36290.html http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg36188.html http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg37375.html -- Live fast, die young, you're sucking up my bandwidth J.P. Pasnak, CD Warped Systems http://www.warpedsystems.sk.ca http://canopener.ca File: message.footer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] kapm-idled????
It appears to be fine - I've only just upgraded to 8.0 last week, and I spend some of my time at work using Dynix machines, which don't run X at all, and the 37 meg seemed a bit high. However, from other people's posts, it appears to be fine. I picked the RAM out mainly because of the 0k of memory being shared. I'd expect to see at least *some* memory shared, even if it were only a few libraries... Mem: 125600K av, 62400K used, 63200K free, 0K shrd, 892K buff Swap: 265032K av, 52372K used, 212660K free 29892K cached Steve Flynn NOP Data Migration Ops Analyst * 01603 687386 -Original Message- From: Mark Weaver [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [expert] kapm-idled so, are you saying that the amount of RAM that X is using is ok? or is there something amiss here with the amount that it's using? -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Beware of little sins. Mosquitoes drink more blood than lions. Author unknown On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Alexander poslavsky wrote: On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [kapm-idled] Your poor 266 cpu is thanking you! kapm-idled is a kernel daemon that constantly sends idle calls to your cpu. On laptops, making the idle call actually puts the cpu into a state where it saves more power. It doesn't hurt your cpu, but rather, is by design. Just for reference, kapm-idled stands for: K(ernel) A(dvanced) P(ower) M(anagement) Idle D(aemon) Its also worthy to note that kernel threads and processes can't be killed from userland. (From some list) FLYNN, Steve wrote: Also, I notice that X seems to consuming a hell of a lot of ram on your machine - I don't have an Mandrake 8.0 machine here at work, to check but I'm sure my box with 256 meg doesn't have 37M sucked up by X! Yes it does, sometimes even more (I've got 256) top: 1651 root 18 0 51692 50M 2364 R 2.9 20.2 2:19 X ah, now I'm not a lurker anymore. File: message.footer ** This email and any files sent with it are intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient please telephone/email the sender immediately. You should not disclose the content or take/retain/distribute any copies. ** Norwich Union Life Pensions Limited Registered Office 2 Rougier Street York YO90 1UU Registered in England Number 3253947 A member of the Norwich Union Marketing Group which is regulated by the Personal Investment Authority. Member of the Association of British Insurers. For further Enquires 01603 622200 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kapm-idled????
El Jueves 23 Agosto 2001 11:56, escribiste: Doug, normally that is not the kind of response i post to the list as i stated somewhere in the this thread. however, that is the kind of response i send to people from time to time who _assume_ they're chastising a youngster who hasn't taken the time to do the basic, simple research that most would do _before_ posting a quesiton on the expert list. (...) Hi: I thought it would be good to read this so as to refresh our minds: http://www.cs.queensu.ca/FAQs/email/etiquette.html Have a nice day. -- Alfredo J. Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tegucigalpa, D. C., Honduras Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[expert] I dont want to boot Windows!
I have dual boot on my laptop, and I'd really like to stick to Mandrake 8 Right now, I dual boot when I have to type something in Turkish and print it from our NT-controlled printer. Two things: 1) Character set; I use Star Office on the Linux side, and I can't get Turkish characters. 2) Printer. When I print from Linux, the thing prints like a low-res graphical picture; and the output is too ugly to be sent off to a customer. Any *pointers would be appreciated on how to solve these problems. Thanks a lot, -turgut - Turgut Kalfaoglu: http://www.kalfaoglu.com EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Athalon 1.2gig MDK 8.0
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi.. Here's the problem.. An install of Mandrake 8.0 occasionally Seg Fault's during the second stage.. But when it doesn't do that while formatting hda6 (15 gig) everything locks up. This machine has just had a new HDD Processor put in and the crowd that did it (Was a Warrenty Job) reset the bios to Factory Default. It originally installed MDK 8.0 without problems.. The System is AMD 1.2gig CPU 256meg ram 20gig Fujitsu MPG3204AT E, ATA HDD. TNT2 32meg AGP graphics card.. - From what I can gather it is a bios setting that is screwed up. Anyone have any Idea's. TIA. Best Regards Craig Jansen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: CeeJay Computer Services http://www.cjcs.yi.org iEYEARECAAYFAjuE31MACgkQAUfizNDbsR8ikwCgyiWG1SvFM7k4FEnRTRnSGzmb PQcAoM6ebRHa6Qlzbmw0f7n8XN4TLHtF =Pte6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I dont want to boot Windows!
As for the font themselves, I'm not sure what I can do for you, check this command, it might help. /usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.qc This example sets a french canadian keyboard. You might also inquire about VMWare express. I have been using it for almost a year now, with MDK 7.1, 7.2 and now 8.0. It works great and allows me to boot a Windows 95/98 session while Linux is still running. Combined with Samba on your Linux it makes it possible to run Linux and Windows on the same computer at once. For 49$ its worth every cents. They have a 30 day demo you can download at their site http://www/vmware.com I used to dual boot, now I don't have a Windows partition anymore on my computer yet I still run windows for the odd applications that can't do without it. That might be an easy solution to your problem too. -- Gerard Perreault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thursday 23 August 2001 05:00, Turgut Kalfaoglu wrote: I have dual boot on my laptop, and I'd really like to stick to Mandrake 8 Right now, I dual boot when I have to type something in Turkish and print it from our NT-controlled printer. Two things: 1) Character set; I use Star Office on the Linux side, and I can't get Turkish characters. 2) Printer. When I print from Linux, the thing prints like a low-res graphical picture; and the output is too ugly to be sent off to a customer. Any *pointers would be appreciated on how to solve these problems. Thanks a lot, -turgut - Turgut Kalfaoglu: http://www.kalfaoglu.com EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[expert] mandrake 8.0 on IBM t21
Hi, did anyone installed a mdk 8.0 on IBM t21, i have problems all over.. the mouses (trackpoint and ps2) are not detected... the installation freezes at the scsi detection... HELP ??? -- - Oren Gozlan Mobixell Networks Inc. p: +972 9 776 0121 f: + 972 9 740 7373 c: +972 54 536 047 www.mobixell.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[expert] kapm-idled????
Hi list, there's something strange here on my Mandrake 8.0 box and try as i might i can't find it to kill it! it seems to be a process of some sort that when it runs it cripples my system making it impossible to get any work done. what ever this is it shows up in kpm and top like this: [kapm-idled] however, it's anything but idle. as i said it is crippling my system when it runs. here is a bit from the top screen showing the information as it's running: 10:57am up 20:30, 2 users, load average: 0.44, 1.48, 1.42 80 processes: 77 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 5.3% user, 20.5% system, 0.0% nice, 74.1% idle Mem: 125600K av, 62400K used, 63200K free, 0K shrd, 892K buff Swap: 265032K av, 52372K used, 212660K free 29892K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 3 root 14 0 00 0 SW 40.3 0.0 4:36 kapm-idled 1486 root 14 0 48128 37M 4032 R 4.5 30.5 5:07 X 4468 mark 12 0 2916 2180 1936 R 1.5 1.7 0:01 kdeinit 1637 mark 9 0 3512 2604 2096 S 1.1 2.0 0:19 kicker 1610 mark 9 0 2684 1796 1632 S 0.3 1.4 0:28 kdeinit 4529 mark 11 0 952 940 716 R 0.3 0.7 0:01 top 1645 mark 9 0 3180 1732 1580 S 0.1 1.3 0:21 kdeinit 1 root 9 0 104 6060 S 0.0 0.0 0:04 init as you can see it runs as a root process but i can't find its origin to kill the process. left to run long enough it will fill the swap space and then the only way to recover from this is to reboot the system. This has been going on since i installed Mdk 8.0 on this machine 7 days ago. AFter rebooting the machine runs fine. Then, out of nowehere kapm-idled pops up and efectively renders the machine useless until it decides to stop running. IF it decides to stop running. Which it has on two seperate occasions. That is not the norm though with this diseased mystery process. Could someone please tell me what this is and how to kill it once and for all? i've attempted every way and manner available to me that i know of that you would normally use to stop a process that has gotten away. All of them have no affect on this one though. Feel free to email me direct with any information if you so desire. thanks, -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Beware of little sins. Mosquitoes drink more blood than lions. Author unknown Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kapm-idled????
Ok, hoyt... clearly either you got up on the wrong side of the keyboard, or you're just normally a smart ass with few people skills. actually, since i've been a long time subscriber to this list the MAIL LIST ARCHIVES was the first place i looked. whereupon, finding NO information there OR on my system i turned here! and YES, it DOES use that much of the resources. the measurement i provided is mild as to it's usual operating status on the system its usually much worse. ergo the crippling of the system. so, do us all a favor and GET a personallity before answering any more postings, will ya? asshole! -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Beware of little sins. Mosquitoes drink more blood than lions. Author unknown On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Hoyt wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 11:10 am, Mark Weaver methodically organized electrons to state: Hi list, there's something strange here on my Mandrake 8.0 box and try as i might i can't find it to kill it! it seems to be a process of some sort that when it runs it cripples my system making it impossible to get any work done. what ever this is it shows up in kpm and top like this: [kapm-idled] Could someone please tell me what this is and how to kill it once and for all? i've attempted every way and manner available to me that i know of that you would normally use to stop a process that has gotten away. All of them have no affect on this one though. It's a common complaint, easily found in the mail list archives, had you bothered to search them. IIRC, the canonical answer is that it is a pseudo proceess set up to allow for some kind of accounting measurement; it's harmless; it doesn't really use those resources; it can safely be ignored. Oh . . . and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] FW: What does this error mean?
Thank you Gregor... How would you recommend best altering the nkfs file to work with my kernel 2.4.5-5mdk? Todd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gregor Maier Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert] FW: What does this error mean? On 22-Aug-2001 Todd Zashin wrote: whoops sorry I think I sent this to the wrong address the first time. Todd -Original Message- From: Todd Zashin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 12:32 PM To: Expert-Owner@Linux-Mandrake. Com (E-mail) Subject: What does this error mean? HI folks. I am trying to install the nkfs package on my Linux Mandrake 8.0 system and this is the error I see when I attempted the make command at the konsole prompt: make[1]: Entering directory /root/tmp/nkfs/nkfs-4.2.1/src gcc -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -02 -fomit-frame-pointer -DMODULE -DM ODVERSIONS -I/usr/include -I. -I../include -DLINUX1_3_x -c -o nkfs_drive.0 nkfs_driver.c In file included from nkfs_driver.c:27: /usr/include/linux/modversions.h:1:2: #error Modules should never use kernel -headers system headers /usr/include/linux/modversions.h:2:2: #error but headers from an appropriate kernel -source make [1]: *** [nkfs_driver.o] Error 1 make [1]: Leaving directory /root/tmp/nkfs/nkfs-4.2.1/src make: *** [all] Error 2 What does this mean? Should I stop and not continue with Make Install? How do I correct these errors and start again if that is the appropriate step to take? Looks like nkfs is configured for kernel 1.3.x (-DLINUX1_3_x) but if you use a plain LM8.0 you got kernel 2.4.3 The error itself is that the header files are from kernel 2.4.3 while nkfs expects 1.3.x. You should change the configuration of nkfs to match your kernel. Gregor -- E-Mail: Gregor Maier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 23-Aug-2001 Time: 09:02:50 -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kapm-idled????
So sprach »Mark Weaver« am 2001-08-23 um 11:50:27 -0400 : been a long time subscriber to this list the MAIL LIST ARCHIVES was the Don't know about this list, but it's all over the common linux help forums. But anyhow, you asked here, and you get an answer here. first place i looked. whereupon, finding NO information there OR on my system i turned here! and YES, it DOES use that much of the resources. the Nope, it does not use any resources at all. It's a kernel task which kicks in when the system is idle and does some sort of APM stuff. Thus, if it has a rather big cpu time count, this only means that your system idles quite a lot. asshole! Now, that's not nice. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 10 hours 9 minutes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kapm-idled????
On Thursday 23 August 2001 11:50, Mark Weaver wrote: Ok, hoyt... clearly either you got up on the wrong side of the keyboard, or you're just normally a smart ass with few people skills. actually, since i've been a long time subscriber to this list the MAIL LIST ARCHIVES was the first place i looked. whereupon, finding NO information there OR on my system i turned here! and YES, it DOES use that much of the resources. the measurement i provided is mild as to it's usual operating status on the system its usually much worse. ergo the crippling of the system. so, do us all a favor and GET a personallity before answering any more postings, will ya? asshole! Ummm, I must disagree. kapm-idled is a process for accounting for the idle cycles of the CPU and it is new with kernel 2.4 6:21pm up 1 day, 26 min, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.04, 0.06 67 processes: 64 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 1.7% user, 31.0% system, 0.0% nice, 67.1% idle Mem: 126924K av, 125448K used,1476K free, 0K shrd,1452K buff Swap: 248968K av, 10412K used, 238556K free 31860K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 3 root 17 0 00 0 SW 28.9 0.0 831:32 kapm-idled 1216 root 12 0 23108 22M 1100 R 2.1 17.9 15:12 X 3546 tester12 0 1076 1076 852 R 0.9 0.8 0:00 top Here is my machine at the moment Now I am initiating filesystem sledgehammer on a partition--this is 50 processes each creating 2000 files and then randomly changing file sizes 6:30pm up 1 day, 34 min, 4 users, load average: 26.93, 7.24, 2.49 123 processes: 73 sleeping, 50 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 7.4% user, 92.5% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle Mem: 126924K av, 125304K used,1620K free, 0K shrd,1204K buff Swap: 248968K av, 41844K used, 207124K free 29092K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 3650 root 20 0 1736 1736 1160 R 2.7 1.3 0:01 python 3652 root 20 0 1736 1736 1160 R 2.7 1.3 0:01 python 3666 root 20 0 1724 1724 1160 Now after killing all the python routines Here we are 6:35pm up 1 day, 40 min, 4 users, load average: 33.11, 31.57, 15.11 74 processes: 72 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 2.9% user, 2.5% system, 0.0% nice, 94.4% idle Mem: 126924K av, 94176K used, 32748K free, 0K shrd,1296K buff Swap: 248968K av, 41072K used, 207896K free 27212K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 1216 root 14 0 23924 17M 940 R 3.1 13.7 15: So, you see kapm idled is not a process in the usual sense nor does it impose a burden on the system. I hope we will soon have new versions of ktop and top which will properly account for the idle cycles and simply not show kapm-idled. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kapm-idled????
On Thursday 23 August 2001 11:10, Mark Weaver wrote: Hi list, there's something strange here on my Mandrake 8.0 box and try as i might i can't find it to kill it! it seems to be a process of some sort that when it runs it cripples my system making it impossible to get any work done. what ever this is it shows up in kpm and top like this: [kapm-idled] however, it's anything but idle. as i said it is crippling my system when it runs. here is a bit from the top screen showing the information as it's running: 10:57am up 20:30, 2 users, load average: 0.44, 1.48, 1.42 80 processes: 77 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 5.3% user, 20.5% system, 0.0% nice, 74.1% idle Mem: 125600K av, 62400K used, 63200K free, 0K shrd, 892K buff Swap: 265032K av, 52372K used, 212660K free 29892K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 3 root 14 0 00 0 SW 40.3 0.0 4:36 kapm-idled 1486 root 14 0 48128 37M 4032 R 4.5 30.5 5:07 X 4468 mark 12 0 2916 2180 1936 R 1.5 1.7 0:01 kdeinit 1637 mark 9 0 3512 2604 2096 S 1.1 2.0 0:19 kicker 1610 mark 9 0 2684 1796 1632 S 0.3 1.4 0:28 kdeinit 4529 mark 11 0 952 940 716 R 0.3 0.7 0:01 top 1645 mark 9 0 3180 1732 1580 S 0.1 1.3 0:21 kdeinit 1 root 9 0 104 6060 S 0.0 0.0 0:04 init as you can see it runs as a root process but i can't find its origin to kill the process. left to run long enough it will fill the swap space and then the only way to recover from this is to reboot the system. This has been going on since i installed Mdk 8.0 on this machine 7 days ago. AFter rebooting the machine runs fine. Then, out of nowehere kapm-idled pops up and efectively renders the machine useless until it decides to stop running. IF it decides to stop running. Which it has on two seperate occasions. That is not the norm though with this diseased mystery process. Could someone please tell me what this is and how to kill it once and for all? i've attempted every way and manner available to me that i know of that you would normally use to stop a process that has gotten away. All of them have no affect on this one though. Feel free to email me direct with any information if you so desire. thanks, I would be inclined to check for a corrupted install. Crashtesters in some cases reported this problem--memory leak symptoms, and in each case it was something corruptng the install. One crashtester had a fast maxtor and a slow WD on the same IDE channel and timing chatter was destroying his system even as he installed it--splitting the disks and reinstalling fixed the problem. It is not kapm-idled which is not even a process. It must be something else, and it is not commonly reported (like yours is the 4th report I have seen for 8.0 and the other three were corrupted installs.). Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mandrake 8.0 on IBM t21
On Thursday 23 August 2001 17:20, Oren Gozlan wrote: Hi, did anyone installed a mdk 8.0 on IBM t21, i have problems all over.. the mouses (trackpoint and ps2) are not detected... the installation freezes at the scsi detection... HELP ??? First, use /images/alternatives/cdrom.img-2.2.19BADZ5--copy to a floppy with dd Then install kernel 2.2 and use it as your boot OR install freq2 or freq3 using that alternative image--both those kernels work with your mouse. And, DON'T EVEN THINK of installing lm_sensors or lm_utils and note that we have pulled the fangs from KDE's power management for laptops. If you circumvent our precautions successfully, your next act will be a factory return for a new motherboard. No kidding lm_sensors and the I2C bus arrangement on IBM laptops (most models since the 600) are incompatible enough to smoke the machine. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[expert] MDK8 / XFree 4.1 performance issues
Greetings, everyone. I've recently decided to try to fix something that I find annoying with XFree86 4.1. I have an ATI Xpert@Play 16 meg card (Rage Pro chipset). Under X 3.3.6, I have hardware accelleration with gears running in the 300 FPS range. (I forget the exact number, and I'm not at home to check.) Under 4.1, all I can get is 100 - 104 FPS. According to the XFree86 website, the ati driver has accelleration support for my chipset (Mach64). I've searched through the mail list archives, tried a few of the things mentioned there with no avail. Can anyone point me to a website or some documentation that will help me get a little better performance out of this card under X 4.1? Thanks in advance, Wayne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kapm-idled????
So sprach »Alan N.« am 2001-08-23 um 12:02:25 -0400 : This is the main reason I'm using redhat now. I simply could not deal with the sluggishness. Which nothing has to do with the kapm-idled Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 14 hours 16 minutes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Fwd: question about reiserfs-ext3
civileme escribió: For a complete rebuild of a Reiser partition (say /dev/hda5) 'reiserfsck --check /dev/hda5' 'reiserfsck --rebuild-sb /dev/hda5' 'reiserfsck --rebuild-tree /dev/hda5' Civileme A silly question: what will i get rebuilding a reiser partition? Are those commands destructive? 8-? Thanks! ;) -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 11407395 Joan.Tur.pagina.de www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kde-2.2 tex
Praedor Tempus escribió: I am not having any problems with the tex kde rpms. All I did was create symlinks. I have rpm-4.0.3-0.17mdk and all its relatives installed. I installed the rpms and all works without any problems. If your rpms are complaining about librpm.so.0, etc, then just make the symlinks and ignore them with --nodeps. It will work. It's working. Thanks ;) On Sunday 19 August 2001 12:39 am, Joan Tur wrote: texstar escribió: you need to install rpm-4.0-26mdk.i586.rpm from your Linux Mandrake 8.0 CD or download it from... I'm using 4.0.3-16mdk... Now what? 8-? -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 11407395 Joan.Tur.pagina.de www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kde-2.2 tex
texstar escribió: Texstar rpms are experiemental rpms provided to those who like to tinker with their systems and are willing to upgrade the necessary rpms (ie Xfree 4.1.0, libsldl 1.2, libxms2, libprcrem, libsane, rpm). They are not supported or endorsed by Mandrakesoft and are to be used at ones own risk. If you are unsure of what you want to do then by all means please use the official rpms provided my Mandrake. Trying to upgrade the kdeadmin package using the one provided by Mandrake was asking for the same libraries... On Sunday 19 August 2001 01:39 am, Joan Tur wrote: texstar escribió: you need to install rpm-4.0-26mdk.i586.rpm from your Linux Mandrake 8.0 CD or download it from... I'm using 4.0.3-16mdk... Now what? 8-? -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 11407395 Joan.Tur.pagina.de www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Upgrading to KDE 2.2
Aleksey Y Naumov escribió: # rpm -Uvh kdelibs-2.2-1mdk.i586.rpm error: failed dependencies: libasound.so.1 is needed by kdelibs-2.2-1mdk libpcreposix.so.0 is needed by kdelibs-2.2-1mdk libpcre.so.0 is needed by kdelibs-2.2-1mdk Any idea where I get these libs from? Also, what is the order of installation - which RPMs go first? Make a search at rpmfind.net... -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 11407395 Joan.Tur.pagina.de www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] On sluggishness, sealing wax, ships, kapm-idled,cabbages and kings
On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, civileme wrote: OK Our kernel is sluggish when it sees certain chipsets. The infamous 686B southbridge bug made its debut as confirmed by the manufacturer a little more than a week before release of 8.0. A quick hack to cripple oneself if certain chipset(s) were seen was done to prevent a potentially huge source of data corruption. I hope this isn't too ignorant a question, but does that only apply to the Mandrake specific kernel? If one was to install Mandrake, then immediately compile a vanilla kernel, would there be any difference? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kapm-idled????
On Thu Aug 23, 2001 at 11:10:01AM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: there's something strange here on my Mandrake 8.0 box and try as i might i can't find it to kill it! it seems to be a process of some sort that when it runs it cripples my system making it impossible to get any work done. what ever this is it shows up in kpm and top like this: [kapm-idled] [...] Your assumptions are completely wrong. Please look through the archives for this list or the cooker list to find out what kapm-idled is doing and why. This has been discussed to death on this list. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD - Danen Consulting Serviceswww.danen.net, www.freezer-burn.org - MandrakeSoft, Inc. Security www.linux-mandrake.com Current Linux kernel 2.4.7-12.3mdk uptime: 2 days 23 hours 13 minutes. PGP signature
[expert] GCC 2.96
Im sure many of you share my hatred for this version of gcc. I always found it bizare that mandrake went down this road. At least in 8.1b they have both gcc 3 and 2.96. However, 3 has some issues that make it suitable to keep a 2.9 version of gcc about, i just wondered if it is possible to replace gcc 2.96 with gcc 2.95 in this version of mandrake, preferably without affecting version 3 at all. Ideally i would do this from the binary or source rpms from an older version of mandrake (i believe 7.2 was the last version to ship with gcc 2.95). Im sure there will be dependency errors, especially with the horrendous incorrect dependcy issues with mandrakes rpms, however, if i nodeped the install, would it not work, or does gcc need no other libraries to run? Also, as im downgrading, would i need to recompile glibc and other libraries if i wanted to compile programs that use them, or is the linking information compatible. Im sure some of these questions may sound stupid, but i really dont want to bugger about with installing a new mandrake version on both my pcs. Thanks Tom Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mandrake 8.0 on IBM t21
Hi, I have a nice shiny new Dell Inspiron 8000 an will dual boot mdk 8.0 on it in a week or so. The mdk hardware compatibility list just shows that install has been successful, not the detail. Is there a reference somewhere that shows if any special actions need to be taken - the lm-sensors warning and the fact that kde power management has been disabled are important, but nothing like this is mentioned against the T20 in the compatibility guide!!! I am aware of linux-laptop, but I think specifics like this should be mentioned in the hardware compatibility guide, at least for mainstream models mentioned in the guide. BillK civileme wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2001 17:20, Oren Gozlan wrote: Hi, did anyone installed a mdk 8.0 on IBM t21, i have problems all over.. the mouses (trackpoint and ps2) are not detected... the installation freezes at the scsi detection... HELP ??? First, use /images/alternatives/cdrom.img-2.2.19BADZ5--copy to a floppy with dd Then install kernel 2.2 and use it as your boot OR install freq2 or freq3 using that alternative image--both those kernels work with your mouse. And, DON'T EVEN THINK of installing lm_sensors or lm_utils and note that we have pulled the fangs from KDE's power management for laptops. If you circumvent our precautions successfully, your next act will be a factory return for a new motherboard. No kidding lm_sensors and the I2C bus arrangement on IBM laptops (most models since the 600) are incompatible enough to smoke the machine. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake 8.0 and IPv6
First of all you'll need an IPv6 capable network. There aren't very many around as far as I'm aware at the moment. Stick with the old IP for now. the move to IPv6 is coming, but not for a while. AB Written by Gadir -- ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Hi all, I was told that Mandrake 8.0 is IPv6 enabled. However, I can not use it to implement IPv6 !!!.I guess to have IPv6 enabled is not enough to directly use it. What should I do to get IPv6 working, any additional patches that I should run?. any body can help ? Regards Gadir _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Skipping MPEGs?
Not enough RAM Processor too slow Wrong Libs No screen acceleration Too many background processes running A CPU hog running in the background --- Choose one or more from the list above. -JMS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jason Van Patten Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Skipping MPEGs? Hey folks - I've recently installed Mdk 8.0 and noticed an interesting problem with mpegs. Any one that has audio in it seems to skip around. It'll play normally for a bit, then the video will speed up or skip ahead, while the audio follows the normal track. Has anyone seen this (ie, known problem?) I've tried MPEGs with MTV, and with the MPEG player that KDE comes with (is that MTV disguised?) Sound card is SB Live, running X in 1920x1440@32bit. Haven't had this trouble before the upgrade. It does the same thing with the standard kernel, or 2.4.5. Ideas? Thanks! jas -- Jason Van Patten AOL IM: Jason VP Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Skipping MPEGs?
At Thu Aug 23 19:25:37 2001, Jose M. Sanchez wrote: Not enough RAM Half gig. Swap not being touched. Processor too slow 933MHz P3 Wrong Libs From the standard Mdk 8 install? Which libs should I have? No screen acceleration Too many background processes running A CPU hog running in the background Nothing running in the background other than X, the window manager of choice and the OS of course. Thanks. -- Jason Van Patten AOL IM: Jason VP Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Hardware question...
Civileme, Since your seem to be, among your many areas of expertise, the hardware guru, can you say when, and if, we will see a mandrake version that works with the VIA 686B southbridge chip (VIA KT133A)?. Because so many issues are involved, i.e. the kernel, cpu bridge to bus device, and AGP, maybe there will never be a work around or mandrake version that can handle all of these diverse elements. drjung -- J. Craig Woods UNIX SA -Art is the illusion of spontaneity- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Hardware question...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 23 August 2001 14:04, J. C. Woods wrote: Civileme, Since your seem to be, among your many areas of expertise, the hardware guru, can you say when, and if, we will see a mandrake version that works with the VIA 686B southbridge chip (VIA KT133A)?. Because so many issues are involved, i.e. the kernel, cpu bridge to bus device, and AGP, maybe there will never be a work around or mandrake version that can handle all of these diverse elements. drjung I've been using this type of system for ~3 months now with no problems: an ASUS A7V133. Now granted, I don't have a sound card, and haven't gotten around to getting a CD-RW. Look in the mailing list archives (starting late last month for a thread named CD Writing and the Via 686b southbridge. It, and it's resumption in mid-August, should answer many of your questions. - -- Thu Aug 23 19:19:20 2001 Seq. TimestampUptime - 1: Mon Jul 16 16:28:17 2001 - 38 02:50:55 - 2.4.6-3mdk -- 2: Thu May 17 01:44:04 2001 - 35 15:31:51 - 2.4.3-20mdk 3: Thu Jun 21 17:33:18 2001 - 10 05:29:02 - 2.4.3-20mdk 4: Sun Jul 1 23:03:05 2001 - 7 10:13:18 - 2.4.3-20mdk 5: Wed Jul 11 15:11:11 2001 - 5 01:16:26 - 2.4.6-3mdk 6: Tue Jul 10 02:55:19 2001 - 1 09:18:42 - 2.4.3-20mdk 7: Wed Jul 11 12:14:35 2001 - 0 02:20:37 - 2.4.6-3mdk 8: Wed Jul 11 14:39:19 2001 - 0 00:31:20 - 2.4.6-3mdk 9: Wed Jul 11 14:35:45 2001 - 0 00:03:01 - 2.4.6-3mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7hZ7sjTz5dS9Us5wRAu1dAJ960Uol9ekwFaoVaDzEVnsHKWq2iQCeObGm 7C/halrBGprKVX5tMk9Ppe0= =qf5R -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] GCC 2.96
This is a multi-part message in MIME format... On Thursday 23 August 2001 19:01, Tom Badran wrote: Im sure many of you share my hatred for this version of gcc. I always found it bizare that mandrake went down this road. At least in 8.1b they have both gcc 3 and 2.96. However, 3 has some issues that make it suitable to keep a 2.9 version of gcc about, i just wondered if it is possible to replace gcc 2.96 with gcc 2.95 in this version of mandrake, I just went with RedHat's solution on my mandrake system and installed kgcc. . --- |o_o | |:_/ | Michael Osten // \ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (| | ) Reefedge Inc. /'\_ _/`\ \___)=(___/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[expert] On sluggishness, sealing wax, ships, kapm-idled, cabbages and kings
OK Our kernel is sluggish when it sees certain chipsets. The infamous 686B southbridge bug made its debut as confirmed by the manufacturer a little more than a week before release of 8.0. A quick hack to cripple oneself if certain chipset(s) were seen was done to prevent a potentially huge source of data corruption. Some chipsets which had not the bug get swept by the filter. Some with the buggy southbridge get missed because the signature isn't there (no autosetting BIOS, no dodge for Creative Soundcards) So, don't believe hdparm -i. If your computer appears sluggish, run hdparm -t /dev/whateverdrive and if you see like 1.68Mb/s you are in PIO mode. To get out of it install kernel22-2.2.19-10mdk where you will work without sluggishness. We are still trying to make a kernel update that handles supermount, recognizes lm_sensors, recognizes vfat, and does a good job with netfilters. kapm-idled is not a process and it doesn't suck up resources. It puts a notebook processor a little more deeply asleep and tries to save power and it also accounts for idle cycles. List courtesy is a matter for list participants. On occasion I have been sharp with people who did not research their complaints adequately, but only if I got the impression that the person was a taker who never contributed to the list. The participants of this list may find it a little odd from time to time that RedHat questions get asked and answered here, but those immigrants from the RH lists who ran out of flame-retardant underwear know why this is done. So whether this list remains a helpful place or becomes a flame list is up to the participants. Whether or not it remains open is a matter for the list owner. If it becomes a place where users have a negative experience, then it is not in the owner's interests to keep it open. Right now of course it is very much a place to come for help. (and occasionally read flames to mandrake from engineers who believe in much stricter standards or who want to wring their hands that the kernel doesn't compile with their favorite compiler). Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[expert] OT: connecting to Juno from LM..?
Is anyone connecting to Juno via LM7/LM8...? I'm trying to convert a new user from W98 to LM... the current net access is via Juno which has the wierdest login sequence I've seen and have not yet been able to figure out all the requirements... If you can provide info, I'd appreciate a clue privately at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have managed to connect to the point of getting a challenge from Juno on the telnet server /stream command... Thanks, Pierre PS: I'll be away until Monday; but am hoping someone can help. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Fwd: question about reiserfs-ext3
On Thursday 23 August 2001 22:42, Joan Tur wrote: civileme escribió: For a complete rebuild of a Reiser partition (say /dev/hda5) 'reiserfsck --check /dev/hda5' 'reiserfsck --rebuild-sb /dev/hda5' 'reiserfsck --rebuild-tree /dev/hda5' Civileme A silly question: what will i get rebuilding a reiser partition? Are those commands destructive? 8-? If the check says you have problems, the rebuild _might_ save you, or it might hang in which case you have lost nothing since a corrupt partition is corrupt, period. As always, data not backed up is data lost. Civileme Thanks! ;) -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 11407395 Joan.Tur.pagina.de www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Upgrading to KDE 2.2
You can get those libs from rpmfind.net. The order is kdesupport, kdelibs, kdebase, and other packages can be installed in any arbitrary order. Bunty On Thursday 23 August 2001 22:36, you wrote: Aleksey Y Naumov escribió: # rpm -Uvh kdelibs-2.2-1mdk.i586.rpm error: failed dependencies: libasound.so.1 is needed by kdelibs-2.2-1mdk libpcreposix.so.0 is needed by kdelibs-2.2-1mdk libpcre.so.0 is needed by kdelibs-2.2-1mdk Any idea where I get these libs from? Also, what is the order of installation - which RPMs go first? Make a search at rpmfind.net... -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 11407395 Joan.Tur.pagina.de www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Skipping MPEGs?
Hey folks - I've recently installed Mdk 8.0 and noticed an interesting problem with mpegs. Any one that has audio in it seems to skip around. It'll play normally for a bit, then the video will speed up or skip ahead, while the audio follows the normal track. Has anyone seen this (ie, known problem?) I've tried MPEGs with MTV, and with the MPEG player that KDE comes with (is that MTV disguised?) Sound card is SB Live, running X in 1920x1440@32bit. Haven't had this trouble before the upgrade. It does the same thing with the standard kernel, or 2.4.5. Ideas? Thanks! jas -- Jason Van Patten AOL IM: Jason VP Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mandrake 8.0 on IBM t21
I have a gateway select 1000 .. 1ghz athlon .. and it also freezes after scsi detection .. what is the solution .. the kicker is that I installed suse 7.2 and it works fine .. I would rather use mandrake 8.0 ... - Original Message - From: civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Oren Gozlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [expert] mandrake 8.0 on IBM t21 On Thursday 23 August 2001 17:20, Oren Gozlan wrote: Hi, did anyone installed a mdk 8.0 on IBM t21, i have problems all over.. the mouses (trackpoint and ps2) are not detected... the installation freezes at the scsi detection... HELP ??? First, use /images/alternatives/cdrom.img-2.2.19BADZ5--copy to a floppy with dd Then install kernel 2.2 and use it as your boot OR install freq2 or freq3 using that alternative image--both those kernels work with your mouse. And, DON'T EVEN THINK of installing lm_sensors or lm_utils and note that we have pulled the fangs from KDE's power management for laptops. If you circumvent our precautions successfully, your next act will be a factory return for a new motherboard. No kidding lm_sensors and the I2C bus arrangement on IBM laptops (most models since the 600) are incompatible enough to smoke the machine. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com NetZero Platinum Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinumrefcd=PT97 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kapm-idled????
On Thursday 23 August 2001 13:46, Mark Weaver wrote: Civileme, it's interesting that you would point that very thing out because i've got exactly that on this system. Windows lives on the WD drive and Mandrake on the Maxtor drive. Would this till have a bearing on the problem? http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/kt2214_54.html 2nd article--straight from the linux-ide horses mouth. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Query: Enable chooser GDM, KDM, XDM? Civilme?
Hello all; How do you enable the chooser (so it shows a list of hosts at the console's graphical login screen) in GDM and KDM (and for that matter xdm) in Mandrake 8.0. Setting * CHOOSER BROADCAST #any indirect host can get a chooser In /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess seems to have no effect in XDM. Likewise in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf even though the file points to the chooser (as is the default) how do I get it to display? Ibid for KDM. Thanks. -JMS Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] GCC 2.96
On Thursday 23 August 2001 19:01, Tom Badran wrote: Im sure many of you share my hatred for this version of gcc. I always found it bizare that mandrake went down this road. At least in 8.1b they have both gcc 3 and 2.96. However, 3 has some issues that make it suitable to keep a 2.9 version of gcc about, i just wondered if it is possible to replace gcc 2.96 with gcc 2.95 in this version of mandrake, preferably without affecting version 3 at all. Ideally i would do this from the binary or source rpms from an older version of mandrake (i believe 7.2 was the last version to ship with gcc 2.95). Im sure there will be dependency errors, especially with the horrendous incorrect dependcy issues with mandrakes rpms, however, if i nodeped the install, would it not work, or does gcc need no other libraries to run? Also, as im downgrading, would i need to recompile glibc and other libraries if i wanted to compile programs that use them, or is the linking information compatible. Im sure some of these questions may sound stupid, but i really dont want to bugger about with installing a new mandrake version on both my pcs. Thanks Tom Basically, our 2.96 is the occupation of a number that was abandoned by the gcc team. That abandonment came about because another distro occupied the number. The two came from the CVS development tree at very different times and do not really resemble each other very much, yet the binaries are mostly compatible. It may be built from many patches out of the cvs tree, but it consistently produces reliable code. Most of what people see as a faw in it is that a lot of sloppy code written for 2.95 and earlier expected the compiler to load standard headers by default. 2.96 needs the explicit #include statements. Our 2.96 has little to do with RH 2.96. It was chosen for one reason--You see we have an IA-64 version of our distro (still beta, but out there). It stuck because it was the first compiler we could wholly trust to produce good object code, even though it was strict and cranky. Perl and Python could not pass their regression tests with 2.95.3. I don't think you will see it in this distro again. We simply don't trust it fully. But if you want to do all of that downgrading as you call it, you should find all the source quite compatible, since 2.96 is stricter than 2.95. 3.0 we are still testing, obviously, and we will switch when we see another compiler producing code as solidly as 2.96. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Query: Enable chooser GDM, KDM, XDM? Civilme?
On Thursday 23 August 2001 19:27, Jose M. Sanchez wrote: Hello all; How do you enable the chooser (so it shows a list of hosts at the console's graphical login screen) in GDM and KDM (and for that matter xdm) in Mandrake 8.0. Setting * CHOOSER BROADCAST #any indirect host can get a chooser In /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess seems to have no effect in XDM. Likewise in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf even though the file points to the chooser (as is the default) how do I get it to display? Ibid for KDM. Thanks. -JMS Hmmm, you got me on that one!!! And I won't have time to research it until after release. :-( Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Hardware question...
On Thursday 23 August 2001 15:04, J. C. Woods wrote: Civileme, Since your seem to be, among your many areas of expertise, the hardware guru, can you say when, and if, we will see a mandrake version that works with the VIA 686B southbridge chip (VIA KT133A)?. Because so many issues are involved, i.e. the kernel, cpu bridge to bus device, and AGP, maybe there will never be a work around or mandrake version that can handle all of these diverse elements. drjung Kernel 2.4.7 and on do have a workaround for the southbridge--not optimal but at least DMA is back, and it never left for the Soyo and some other MBs that didn't try to do anything fancy like soft setup. The northbridge problem is minor, and usually cured by upping the CPU voltage slightly, and specific to a certain lot of the Northbridge chip (and no one knows which manufacturers got the lot), but its effect is that the system has to be unplugged to power down--not among the burning issues of our time. Civileme My test board is a cheap matsonic with a 686B and it has everything possible wrong with it. Kernel 2.4.7 runs my ATA-66 drive at 13.20Mb/s and kernel 2.2.19 ran it at about the same speed. The board is an absolute pig which would have been better if left on the design sheets. Speed with kernel 2.4.3-2.4.6 was 1.80 Mb/s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE uses always at least half the power of the processor!
Most likely, the arts deamon, which is the KDE 2 sound server, is using this processor time. On my laptop, for example, even when idle, artsd uses 45-65% of the processor time. To check, press ctrl+escape, kde system guard comes up and you can look for the artsd process. I haven't found a solution for this except to kill it. Sometimes after a kill and restart it will behave, sometimes no. I haven't noticed this on my desktop machine, but perhaps its simply so much faster it's unnoticeable. I haven't formally checked yet. Glen Sagers Olaf Marzocchi wrote: Yesterday I had to compress a big tar archive (350MB) with Bzip2. I launched it from a console inside KDE, then in a second console I launched top, that told me KDE was using 46% (at least) of the processor's power, and bzip2 45-50%. I thought it was strange, since KDE was doing NOTHING!! that console was the only app running! Could you explain this? One (among many) reasons to switch to Linux is the better use of the power, so what is this? Another (silly) question: I didn't remember how to compress the archive with tar then bzip using a single command line, in order to have only the final .tar.bz2 file in the HD without passing from the .tar file. Could you write it? Thank you Olaf Configuration: Celeron 333A, 128 MB, 6+3 GB HD, SoundBlaster 128 PCI, Realtek Ethernet, i740 video card running at 1024@16bpp, Toshiba CD and LG 8080B CD-RW hda1: win 98, hda5 Linux ReiserFS, hda6 swap, hda7 ReiserFS (/home); hdb1: FAT32 with datas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kapm-idled????
On Thursday 23 August 2001 02:28 pm, Doug Gough methodically organized electrons to state: OKEnough already. You're all making me wonder if I want to ask any questions on this list. Linux users have a reputation of wanting to help each other. Is this the kind of response I can expect to my questions if I ever get up the nerve to ask one? What if I don't punctuate properlyor forbid it that I should make a mistake and not mount my floppy before trying to read it.or who knows what MISTAKE I might make..please move on to another topic. Doug Gough -Original Message- From: J.P.Pasnak [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [expert] kapm-idled On August 23, 2001 09:50 am, Mark Weaver wrote: OK, Hoyt... clearly either you got up on the wrong side of the keyboard, or you're just normally a smart ass with few people skills. actually, since I've been a long time subscriber to this list the MAIL LIST ARCHIVES was the first place i looked. whereupon, finding NO information there OR on my system i turned here! and YES, it DOES use that much of the resources. the measurement i provided is mild as to it's usual operating status on the system its usually much worse. ergo the crippling of the system. so, do us all a favor and GET a personality before answering any more postings, will ya? asshole! Being personality impaired myself, I'll just do this: http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg36290.html http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg36188.html http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg37375.html -- Those are the archives, plus 695 hits on Google: http://www.google.com/linux?site=searchrestrict=linuxhl=ensafe=offq=kapm-idledbtnG=Google+Search I thought I answered the question and then I'm called names. I'm not the only one having a bad day it seems (we seem to have quite a club of us here), but I apologize if I offended you -- that wasn't my intent. Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kapm-idled????
O please Alfred...get a grip. Things aren't as nice, clean, utopian, and politically correct as some would prefer them to be. now and then its just good to speak whats on yer mind. tis always better to be real rather than insult the intelligence of others by false, or pretended politeness. Presenting one's self with so-called etiquette that isn't any more real then the tooth fairy is just so much pretentious BS that it's very distastful to say the least. Plain and simple i said what was on my mind and it was completely within the bounds as a proper response to someone who made an extremely presumptuous statement done completely in ignorance. -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Beware of little sins. Mosquitoes drink more blood than lions. Author unknown On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Alfredo Cole wrote: El Jueves 23 Agosto 2001 11:56, escribiste: Doug, normally that is not the kind of response i post to the list as i stated somewhere in the this thread. however, that is the kind of response i send to people from time to time who _assume_ they're chastising a youngster who hasn't taken the time to do the basic, simple research that most would do _before_ posting a quesiton on the expert list. (...) Hi: I thought it would be good to read this so as to refresh our minds: http://www.cs.queensu.ca/FAQs/email/etiquette.html Have a nice day. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] kapm-idled????
Ok...its been running ok so far this afternoon. Even when using Gnome/sawfish. guess i'll keep an eye on things. thanks again -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Beware of little sins. Mosquitoes drink more blood than lions. Author unknown On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, FLYNN, Steve wrote: It appears to be fine - I've only just upgraded to 8.0 last week, and I spend some of my time at work using Dynix machines, which don't run X at all, and the 37 meg seemed a bit high. However, from other people's posts, it appears to be fine. I picked the RAM out mainly because of the 0k of memory being shared. I'd expect to see at least *some* memory shared, even if it were only a few libraries... Mem: 125600K av, 62400K used, 63200K free, 0K shrd, 892K buff Swap: 265032K av, 52372K used, 212660K free 29892K cached Steve Flynn NOP Data Migration Ops Analyst * 01603 687386 -Original Message- From: Mark Weaver [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [expert] kapm-idled so, are you saying that the amount of RAM that X is using is ok? or is there something amiss here with the amount that it's using? -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Beware of little sins. Mosquitoes drink more blood than lions. Author unknown On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Alexander poslavsky wrote: On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [kapm-idled] Your poor 266 cpu is thanking you! kapm-idled is a kernel daemon that constantly sends idle calls to your cpu. On laptops, making the idle call actually puts the cpu into a state where it saves more power. It doesn't hurt your cpu, but rather, is by design. Just for reference, kapm-idled stands for: K(ernel) A(dvanced) P(ower) M(anagement) Idle D(aemon) Its also worthy to note that kernel threads and processes can't be killed from userland. (From some list) FLYNN, Steve wrote: Also, I notice that X seems to consuming a hell of a lot of ram on your machine - I don't have an Mandrake 8.0 machine here at work, to check but I'm sure my box with 256 meg doesn't have 37M sucked up by X! Yes it does, sometimes even more (I've got 256) top: 1651 root 18 0 51692 50M 2364 R 2.9 20.2 2:19 X ah, now I'm not a lurker anymore. File: message.footer ** This email and any files sent with it are intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient please telephone/email the sender immediately. You should not disclose the content or take/retain/distribute any copies. ** Norwich Union Life Pensions Limited Registered Office 2 Rougier Street York YO90 1UU Registered in England Number 3253947 A member of the Norwich Union Marketing Group which is regulated by the Personal Investment Authority. Member of the Association of British Insurers. For further Enquires 01603 622200 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
