Re: [expert] Twiki (semi-hijack)
On Monday 10 Nov 2003 4:42 pm, Bill Mullen wrote: BTW, I just added an Advanced POPfile Configuration section to the existing POPfile page. Let me know if it isn't as clear as it could be. It certainly looks clear. I think I should take a look at that as soon as I can spare the time. It looks possibly more efficient, although I have no complaints about it whatsoever. Are there any big advantages in upgrading the version? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] /etc/hosts and dns
On Monday 10 Nov 2003 2:18 am, Greg Meyer wrote: I have a laptop that connects to my office e-mail server as an IMAP client. Sometimes I am outside the firewall, and in this case, I can connect to the server using the server's fqdn. When I am inside the firewall, I can connect to the server by making an entry in my /etc/hosts file for it that aliases it's private ip to it's netbios name (it is an Exchange 5.5 server). In order to connect, I simply change the servername in kmail depending on where I am. So now my question, is there any way to set up my hosts/resolv.conf/tmdns to look for the server in the local network first and if it cannot find it to look it up in the DNS so that I don't have to constantly change the setup in kmail? Since the local addressing scheme in place at my company is quite unique I would even be open to doing something like having a script called in rc.local check to see what the network ip block of the local network is and writing out a hosts file that would have an entry for the server if I am on the right network, although I have no idea how to actually implement that. You mean something like: cp /etc/hosts.base /etc/hosts if (/sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep 192.168.7/dev/null) then cat /etc/hosts.extra /etc/hosts fi (test it first, of course) HTH -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Frickin spam and spamassassin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK, this really irritates me. I have the latest spamassassin. It is running in daemon mode. I have procmail setup to /dev/null anything that is identified as spam. I have trained the Bayesian filter (supposedly) to identify certain messages as spam...BUT THEY KEEP GETTING THROUGH! These are tricky html or other type of spam, they are plain text. Generally they are viagra messages. The one that really galls me is one that uses the name [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of the actual proper spelling. Nonetheless, this shouldn't matter...or so one would think. I have now run sa-learn --spam --dir Mail/Spam/cur twice on this message. It comes back saying it learned from the message. About 10 minutes later that damn message is back and spamassassin let it come right through. What the hell? I REALLY want to nuke the computer from which this comes. I was doing so well there with nary a spam for weeks getting through, then something inane and seemingly simple like this gets through inspite of teaching spamassassin to recognize it as crap. Since spamassassin appears to be falling down on the job, what would be a nice generic procmail recipe that would recognize EITHER iteration of viagra spelling (in the body or subject) and pass it, no pass go, to /dev/null? I never ever ever want to see another damn viagra message of any kind ever again. Thank you for any aid in this endeavor. praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/r+aQaKr9sJYeTxgRAovJAKCiMudQ74dH+XHBd6iS1MQFxMAE4ACgj3CV 8Rsqd9AcxFtWyG6Iu6/Ejrc= =PDDb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] /etc/hosts and dns
I have a laptop that connects to my office e-mail server as an IMAP
client. Sometimes I am outside the firewall, and in this case, I can
connect to the server using the server's fqdn. When I am inside the
firewall, I can connect to the server by making an entry in my /etc/hosts
file for it that aliases it's private ip to it's netbios name (it is an
Exchange 5.5 server). In order to connect, I simply change the servername
in kmail depending on where I am.
So now my question, is there any way to set up my hosts/resolv.conf/tmdns
to look for the server in the local network first and if it cannot find
it to look it up in the DNS so that I don't have to constantly change the
setup in kmail?
Since the local addressing scheme in place at my company is quite unique
I would even be open to doing something like having a script called in
rc.local check to see what the network ip block of the local network is
and writing out a hosts file that would have an entry for the server if I
am on the right network, although I have no idea how to actually implement
that.
There are a couple ways to do this. IMHO, there's an easy way and a
correct way and it's not clear which is which :)
The quick way would be to write a script based on the IP address that you
receive. You could either parse ifconfig or do something when your dhcp
client returns. You could also put in a specific configuration for your
MAC address inside the DHCP server itself. However, these all have
inherent disadvantages.
The way I'd do it is to set up a DNS view for the internal and external
networks. Machines on the inside would receive the private non-routable
address when querying the nameserver for mail.domainname.com. External
machines would receive the public IP address.
For example in the named.conf:
view internal {
// This should match our internal networks.
match-clients { localnets; };
recursion yes;
zone domainname.com {
type master;
file pz/db.internal;
};
}
view external {
match-clients { any; };
recursion no;
zone domainname.com {
type master;
file pz/db.domainname.com;
};
}
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Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:59:06 + Richard Urwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribed on electronic parchment: dd is probably all anyone on Linux needs, but doesn't have menus and a pretty face. The M$ware may be able to do conversion if the source and destination don't have matching CHS? I use DFSee myself, used to use Partition Magic, never Ghost or Drive Image. The big problem with dd is that when it's finished the destination drive will be identical to the source drive. If, like most people, you've bought a bigger disk, then that's hard luck. The partition table will show it as the same size as the old disk. I don't know where the actual full size of the disk is calculated so you might be able to add new partitions later, or you may not. I would always prefer to use tar (with the correct magic flags) to copy drives. (Ghost does handle different size disks, but does it handle your filesystem? And it does cost money, or did the last I heard.) Partition Image only copies the actual data on the drive and either does a .gz or .bz2 file. It can break down files into multiple sizes, for example I burn to CD's as a stable backup. It will allow you to restore to different partition sizes, provided there is enough room for the data. And is it GPL free software. URPMI partimage or http://www.partimage.org Tim -- _ ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail x registered Linux user # 329428 / \ GnuPG KeyID 6B5A70DF www.keyserver.net pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Frickin spam and spamassassin
These are tricky html or other type of spam, they are plain text. Generally they are viagra messages. The one that really galls me is one that uses the name [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of the actual proper spelling. Nonetheless, this shouldn't matter...or so one would think. I understand your pain. Last week my servers received over 3,000 spam messages, of which almost 100 made it past the spamfilters. Here's one site that has interesting approach: http://bleaklow.com/blog/archive/23.html You could add the obfuscated strings to look specifically for those misspellings. -- The Digital Hermit Unix and Linux Solutions http://www.digitalhermit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Frickin spam and spamassassin
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:27:12 -0500 Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribed on electronic parchment: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK, this really irritates me. I have the latest spamassassin. It is running in daemon mode. I have procmail setup to /dev/null anything that is identified as spam. I have trained the Bayesian filter (supposedly) to identify certain messages as spam...BUT THEY KEEP GETTING THROUGH! These are tricky html or other type of spam, they are plain text. Generally they are viagra messages. The one that really galls me is one that uses the name [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of the actual proper spelling. Nonetheless, this shouldn't matter...or so one would think. I have now run sa-learn --spam --dir Mail/Spam/cur twice on this message. It comes back saying it learned from the message. About 10 minutes later that damn message is back and spamassassin let it come right through. What the hell? I REALLY want to nuke the computer from which this comes. I was doing so well there with nary a spam for weeks getting through, then something inane and seemingly simple like this gets through inspite of teaching spamassassin to recognize it as crap. Since spamassassin appears to be falling down on the job, what would be a nice generic procmail recipe that would recognize EITHER iteration of viagra spelling (in the body or subject) and pass it, no pass go, to /dev/null? I never ever ever want to see another damn viagra message of any kind ever again. Thank you for any aid in this endeavor. praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/r+aQaKr9sJYeTxgRAovJAKCiMudQ74dH+XHBd6iS1MQFxMAE4ACgj3CV 8Rsqd9AcxFtWyG6Iu6/Ejrc= =PDDb -END PGP SIGNATURE- By latest do you mean 2.55 or 2.60? With 2.60 you have to run sa-learn --import to update the Bayesian database. Tim -- _ ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail x registered Linux user # 329428 / \ GnuPG KeyID 6B5A70DF www.keyserver.net pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Frickin spam and spamassassin
try joining the spamassassin user's list and asking about tuning. On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 11:27, Praedor Atrebates wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK, this really irritates me. I have the latest spamassassin. It is running in daemon mode. I have procmail setup to /dev/null anything that is identified as spam. I have trained the Bayesian filter (supposedly) to identify certain messages as spam...BUT THEY KEEP GETTING THROUGH! These are tricky html or other type of spam, they are plain text. Generally they are viagra messages. The one that really galls me is one that uses the name [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of the actual proper spelling. Nonetheless, this shouldn't matter...or so one would think. I have now run sa-learn --spam --dir Mail/Spam/cur twice on this message. It comes back saying it learned from the message. About 10 minutes later that damn message is back and spamassassin let it come right through. What the hell? I REALLY want to nuke the computer from which this comes. I was doing so well there with nary a spam for weeks getting through, then something inane and seemingly simple like this gets through inspite of teaching spamassassin to recognize it as crap. Since spamassassin appears to be falling down on the job, what would be a nice generic procmail recipe that would recognize EITHER iteration of viagra spelling (in the body or subject) and pass it, no pass go, to /dev/null? I never ever ever want to see another damn viagra message of any kind ever again. Thank you for any aid in this endeavor. praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/r+aQaKr9sJYeTxgRAovJAKCiMudQ74dH+XHBd6iS1MQFxMAE4ACgj3CV 8Rsqd9AcxFtWyG6Iu6/Ejrc= =PDDb -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
On Monday 10 Nov 2003 6:59 pm, Richard Urwin wrote: On Monday 10 Nov 2003 6:24 am, Felix Miata wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 10 Nov 2003 5:23 am, Michael Noble wrote: It has been a while since I last dd a disk drive (it is best to make them the same type and size). Assuming that the old disk is /dev/hda and the new disk is /dev/hdb the following command should work: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb I've heard people recommend this before, but I'm not sure why this is better than cp -a ? I do remember that the last time I tried to copy a whole directory to a new partition I had some problems before I got it right, so I want to be clear before I start. AFAIK, cp can only copy files from a mounted partition to a mounted partition. dd can copy anything anywhere that there exist sectors to read write. The example above should copy the MBR and partition tables, as well as all files on all partitions. Then make the new disk /dev/hda and the system should boot. As I said it has been a while and may have the basic command a little off. But the original (noisy) drive will still be in working order. If you have it, I have also heard that the latest Norton Ghost will also work. This is really a much better way, but I don't have the latest Norton Ghost. My Drive Image is not the latest, either. Is there not a linux tool that tackles it in a similar way, rather than just copying files? dd is probably all anyone on Linux needs, but doesn't have menus and a pretty face. The M$ware may be able to do conversion if the source and destination don't have matching CHS? I use DFSee myself, used to use Partition Magic, never Ghost or Drive Image. The big problem with dd is that when it's finished the destination drive will be identical to the source drive. If, like most people, you've bought a bigger disk, then that's hard luck. The partition table will show it as the same size as the old disk. I don't know where the actual full size of the disk is calculated so you might be able to add new partitions later, or you may not. Hmm - I have actually only used around half of this drive, saving the rest for later :-) I wonder if it would be sensible, then, to create one large partition in the remaining space, which can be deleted and allocated as necessary, later? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
On Monday 10 Nov 2003 11:23 am, Tim Sawchuck wrote: On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:59:06 + Richard Urwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribed on electronic parchment: dd is probably all anyone on Linux needs, but doesn't have menus and a pretty face. The M$ware may be able to do conversion if the source and destination don't have matching CHS? I use DFSee myself, used to use Partition Magic, never Ghost or Drive Image. The big problem with dd is that when it's finished the destination drive will be identical to the source drive. If, like most people, you've bought a bigger disk, then that's hard luck. The partition table will show it as the same size as the old disk. I don't know where the actual full size of the disk is calculated so you might be able to add new partitions later, or you may not. I would always prefer to use tar (with the correct magic flags) to copy drives. (Ghost does handle different size disks, but does it handle your filesystem? And it does cost money, or did the last I heard.) Partition Image only copies the actual data on the drive and either does a .gz or .bz2 file. It can break down files into multiple sizes, for example I burn to CD's as a stable backup. It has to be worth looking at, if only for that excellent reason. It will allow you to restore to different partition sizes, provided there is enough room for the data. And is it GPL free software. URPMI partimage or http://www.partimage.org Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Frickin spam and spamassassin
On Nov 10, 2003, at 13:27, Praedor Atrebates wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK, this really irritates me. I have the latest spamassassin. It is running in daemon mode. I have procmail setup to /dev/null anything that is identified as spam. I have trained the Bayesian filter (supposedly) to identify certain messages as spam...BUT THEY KEEP GETTING THROUGH! I don't know how you set spamassasin, but in my installation all it does is tag the message as spam in the headers and I still had to create a rule (in my case using sieve) to move all this garbage to a spam folder. Avi Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Frickin spam and spamassassin
On Monday 10 November 2003 02:27 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: OK, this really irritates me. I have the latest spamassassin. It is running in daemon mode. I have procmail setup to /dev/null anything that is identified as spam. I have trained the Bayesian filter (supposedly) to identify certain messages as spam...BUT THEY KEEP GETTING THROUGH! You are relying too much on pure filtering checks. Spammers run their messages against SA in order to figure out what types of changes can make it past the stock filters. I rely much more heavily on DNSBL checks, and filter out messages from known spam sources, open relays, open proxies, etc. As a result, I get much less spam passing by my SA filters. As of one week from yesterday, I have ~2000 messages, about 1600 of those are spam and only 1 was a false negative that managed to squeak past the filter. Only 4 false positives and those were trivial matches from the mailing list where someone is sending through a known open relay. Beef up your DNSBL scores and I guarantee that the number that squeak by will drop. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 10 Nov 2003 9:27 am, Felix Miata wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 10 Nov 2003 6:24 am, Felix Miata wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 10 Nov 2003 5:23 am, Michael Noble wrote: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb dd can copy anything anywhere that there exist sectors to read write. The example above should copy the MBR and partition tables, as well as all files on all partitions. That sounds good. But how do I handle the various partitions? Do I partition the new drive first? And format them? That command copies all sectors, including partition table sectors, like when you do 'dd if=somefloppyimage of=/dev/fd0' to create an installation diskette. AFAIK, it's exactly what the very first Ghost or Partition Image versions would have done. Right. I'm going to try Charlie's suggestion of changing the cpu fan first, just in case that's all it is. If it isn't that, I'll get a new drive and try dd. Thanks for the help Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Anne, I had a similar problem with my 6 months old IBM HD. According to IBM's website the problem goes away after you reformat the drive. I tried it and it worked. If your's is an IBM try this after backing up the data. -Sridhar Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
Richard Urwin wrote: The big problem with dd is that when it's finished the destination drive will be identical to the source drive. No it won't. Everything from the first sector through the last sector # on the old disk will be identical, which is not the same thing. If, like most people, you've bought a bigger disk, then that's hard luck. The partition table will show it as the same size as the old disk. No, it will show identical use, which is not the same thing. The new will have unallocated space beyond the last sector # used on the old disk. You can make one or more new partitions out of that space without any impact on the contents of any previous partitions. -- God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. 1 Peter 5:5 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/partitioningindex.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 23:31, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 10 Nov 2003 7:08 am, James Sparenberg wrote: partimage you do have that one. It's only a urpmi away. Fine. Is it well documented? Anne Yes, considering that I could use it. And I can top the thick headed list when needed. One thing I found useful is to have it on a floppy, as the version I used couldn't image a mounted partition. In fact now that I think of it partimage is on Knoppix as well so if you have that one. james Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
On Monday 10 Nov 2003 9:24 pm, Felix Miata wrote: Richard Urwin wrote: The big problem with dd is that when it's finished the destination drive will be identical to the source drive. No it won't. Everything from the first sector through the last sector # on the old disk will be identical, which is not the same thing. If, like most people, you've bought a bigger disk, then that's hard luck. The partition table will show it as the same size as the old disk. No, it will show identical use, which is not the same thing. The new will have unallocated space beyond the last sector # used on the old disk. You can make one or more new partitions out of that space without any impact on the contents of any previous partitions. Which sounds just what I was doing with this disk. Thanks Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Cyrus-imapd
Norman Zhang escribió: Hi, I followed the steps given in README.RPM 1. mailbox_transport = lmtp:$myhostname (/etc/postfix/main.cf) 2. lmtp cmd=lmtpd listen=lmtp prefork=0 (/etc/cyrus.conf) 3. add lmtp_admins: cyruslmtp at the bottom of /etc/cyrus.conf There's an error in /etc/cyrus.conf. The line should be added in /etc/imapd.conf, not /etc/cyrus.conf 4. useradd cyruslmtp with password testing123 I think I found the cause to the problem. I need to use saslpasswd2 for cyruslmtp rather than useradd/passwd? Only if you want to use the sasldb for your password (either in addition or replacing any other authentication database you can use with sasl) I'm a little confused with sasldb and saslauthd. Well, yes, everybody is confused with sasl authentication (and all its possible configurations). It's very flexible and that makes it very difficult to grasp. I'm not sure if the documentation for cyrus-sasl and/or cyrus-imapd is clear enough, but, IIRC, there should be enough information to get started. I'm using cyrus-imapd-2.1.15-6mdk. I have saslauthd 2.1.15 (authentication mechanisms: getpwent kerberos5 pam rimap shadow ldap) and saslpasswd2 installed. Which one should I use? How do I check if saslauthd is used by default? check that in /etc/imapd.conf you have the line sasl_pwcheck_method: saslauthd *but* that will only be used for plaintext authentication. Other authentication methods (cram md5 for example) need a shared secret (i.e. the server need the plaintext password), and that's impossible with saslauthd. If you want to be sure that the server only advertises plaintext (so you are sure it will only use saslauthd and nothing else) you can either remove all sasl plugins except plain, or restrict to plaintext putting the following line sasl_mech_list: PLAIN in /etc/imapd.conf. The former will affect all servers using sasl, the latter only cyrus-imap (note that any option starting with sasl_ in /etc/imapd.conf is actually an option for the sasl library, so you should read sasl documentation to see what options are available). BTW, I don't have /etc/imapd.conf. Is that replaced by /etc/postfix/main.cf? No, /etc/imapd.conf is for cyrus-imapd (and a default version comes with the package, so I don't understand why you don't have it), while /etc/postfix/main.cf is postfix configuration. Bye -- - Yo también quiero una Europa libre de Patentes de Software - - I want a Software Patents Free Europe too! And you? - --- EuropeSwPatentFree - http://EuropeSwPatentFree.hispalinux.es pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[expert] Re: Cyrus-imapd
Hi, I followed the steps given in README.RPM 1. mailbox_transport = lmtp:$myhostname (/etc/postfix/main.cf) 2. lmtp cmd=lmtpd listen=lmtp prefork=0 (/etc/cyrus.conf) 3. add lmtp_admins: cyruslmtp at the bottom of /etc/cyrus.conf 4. useradd cyruslmtp with password testing123 I think I found the cause to the problem. I need to use saslpasswd2 for cyruslmtp rather than useradd/passwd? I'm a little confused with sasldb and saslauthd. I'm using cyrus-imapd-2.1.15-6mdk. I have saslauthd 2.1.15 (authentication mechanisms: getpwent kerberos5 pam rimap shadow ldap) and saslpasswd2 installed. Which one should I use? How do I check if saslauthd is used by default? BTW, I don't have /etc/imapd.conf. Is that replaced by /etc/postfix/main.cf? Sorry for all the noise. I found that 9.2 is using saslauthd by default. The information is provided in /etc/imapd.conf. sasl_pwcheck_method: saslauthd sasl_mech_list: PLAIN I do have /etc/imapd.conf as it came with LM 9.2, but not smtpd.conf. I guess smtpd.conf is indeed replaced by main.cf. Regards, Norman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: Publishing text - OT
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 01:05:26PM -0500, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Content-Description: clearsigned data What are you referring to here? I have tried inline graphics either with or without text flowing around the graphic. This can be nifty, given a good graphic and proper page placement, but as to automatic placement of a graphic on the next page all by itself with its legend (the rules according to university x)? There is an obscure method in lyx that will automagically create a graphic/figure page on the next full page immediately following its first referent in the text (ie, via some special character/insert command/latex command)? Ok, I get it now - I've never tried that special approach, so I can't comment on it. I've only ever used inline graphics, as I never had the need for anything else... [0] There IS NO WYSIWYG FOR HTML! Pity too many people pretend it exists - with their pages looking accordingly bad... And yet, there is no real reason that this must be the case. A browser is a browser is a browser, provided it understands proper HTML. There is no magic reason a WYSIWYG HTML editor cannot be done. Wrong. A WYSIWYG cannot be done for HTML. What You See Is What You Get WHERE? That's the question. With a medium like HTML, I know nothing about the system it's displayed on and I can not make any assumptions about it. The resulting page is supposed to work everywhere - that's the basic idea of it. Hence, WYSIWYG is impossible, as I will never be able to know the exact output, other than on my own setup(s). That's what I was getting at. Cheerio, Thomas -- - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
Anne Wilson escribió: On Monday 10 Nov 2003 5:23 am, Michael Noble wrote: It has been a while since I last dd a disk drive (it is best to make them the same type and size). Assuming that the old disk is /dev/hda and the new disk is /dev/hdb the following command should work: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb I've heard people recommend this before, but I'm not sure why this is better than cp -a ? I do remember that the last time I tried to copy a whole directory to a new partition I had some problems before I got it right, so I want to be clear before I start. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html suggests to use cp -a I used that howto many times (either to recover from disk failure or to prepare a copy of the current distribution to a different partition before an upgrade) and I found it very useful. Bye -- - Yo también quiero una Europa libre de Patentes de Software - - I want a Software Patents Free Europe too! And you? - --- EuropeSwPatentFree - http://EuropeSwPatentFree.hispalinux.es pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[expert] Re: Cyrus-imapd
Hi, I followed the steps given in README.RPM 1. mailbox_transport = lmtp:$myhostname (/etc/postfix/main.cf) 2. lmtp cmd=lmtpd listen=lmtp prefork=0 (/etc/cyrus.conf) 3. add lmtp_admins: cyruslmtp at the bottom of /etc/cyrus.conf There's an error in /etc/cyrus.conf. The line should be added in /etc/imapd.conf, not /etc/cyrus.conf Thanks. I have changed that. 4. useradd cyruslmtp with password testing123 I think I found the cause to the problem. I need to use saslpasswd2 for cyruslmtp rather than useradd/passwd? Only if you want to use the sasldb for your password (either in addition or replacing any other authentication database you can use with sasl) I'm using cyrus-imapd-2.1.15-6mdk. I have saslauthd 2.1.15 (authentication mechanisms: getpwent kerberos5 pam rimap shadow ldap) and saslpasswd2 installed. Which one should I use? How do I check if saslauthd is used by default? check that in /etc/imapd.conf you have the line sasl_pwcheck_method: saslauthd *but* that will only be used for plaintext authentication. Other authentication methods (cram md5 for example) need a shared secret (i.e. the server need the plaintext password), and that's impossible with saslauthd. If you want to be sure that the server only advertises plaintext (so you are sure it will only use saslauthd and nothing else) you can either remove all sasl plugins except plain, or restrict to plaintext putting the following line sasl_mech_list: PLAIN Thanks for the clarification. I guess I will use TLS on top of PLAIN. But first I need to get postfix + cyrus working. I have been trying to get postfix + cyrus working on and off for a long time now. Hopefully, after getting it to work I can post my findings on Twiki. in /etc/imapd.conf. The former will affect all servers using sasl, the latter only cyrus-imap (note that any option starting with sasl_ in /etc/imapd.conf is actually an option for the sasl library, so you should read sasl documentation to see what options are available). Thanks. I will read up on those docs. I now have so many docs all over the net on my desk... Sorry I have been mixing you up and Luca Berra. 8) Regards, Norman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Cyrus-imapd
Norman Zhang escribió: Sorry for all the noise. I found that 9.2 is using saslauthd by default. The information is provided in /etc/imapd.conf. sasl_pwcheck_method: saslauthd sasl_mech_list: PLAIN I do have /etc/imapd.conf as it came with LM 9.2, but not smtpd.conf. I guess smtpd.conf is indeed replaced by main.cf. Well, no, smtpd.conf is the sasl configuration for postfix smtp auth. If you need smtp auth you'll need to create that file (in /usr/lib/sasl2, I think it's the wrong location but that's how mandrake's sasl package is configured). If you don't need smtp auth forget about /usr/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf Bye -- - Yo también quiero una Europa libre de Patentes de Software - - I want a Software Patents Free Europe too! And you? - --- EuropeSwPatentFree - http://EuropeSwPatentFree.hispalinux.es pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Re: Cyrus-imapd
Norman Zhang escribió: Thanks for the clarification. I guess I will use TLS on top of PLAIN. Well, that won't change anything (I mean, sasl is not involved so using tls won't mean changing sasl configuration). If you want to avoid cyrus-imapd advertising plaintext authentication over an insecure link (i.e. before tls has been negotiated) you can add allowplaintext: no in /etc/imapd.conf Bye -- - Yo también quiero una Europa libre de Patentes de Software - - I want a Software Patents Free Europe too! And you? - --- EuropeSwPatentFree - http://EuropeSwPatentFree.hispalinux.es pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] /etc/hosts and dns
On Monday 10 November 2003 02:10 pm, Richard Urwin wrote: Since the local addressing scheme in place at my company is quite unique I would even be open to doing something like having a script called in rc.local check to see what the network ip block of the local network is and writing out a hosts file that would have an entry for the server if I am on the right network, although I have no idea how to actually implement that. You mean something like: cp /etc/hosts.base /etc/hosts if (/sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep 192.168.7/dev/null) then cat /etc/hosts.extra /etc/hosts fi (test it first, of course) HTH Thank you for that. I would make a terrible programmer. It seems so obvious now after seeing your simple script. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] movies, jpegs, etc
Hey all, M$ has a somewhat new program called 'moviemaker' which you can download for free for winxp. I would like to know if there is something comparible for linux. I was asked if I could help with some video production at my church and they want to use Adobe Premier. As always, I would like to introduce as much opensource as possible. I haven't done much video editing, and what I have done was on Windows, several years ago. I would like something that could handle both jpeg compilation like moviemaker and also something that could do video transitions with effects similar to premier. Being able to make photos 'shatter' into the next photo or have like a 'page-flip' effect. Same with the video; maybe being able to 'twist' the video and merge into other footage. Any suggestions? Things I've looked at already are: cinelerra kino mjpeg filmgimp As I've said, I don't have much video editing experience; if one of the programs I've already mentioned does what I've asked, feel free to point that out :) Thanks! -- Michael Holt Snohomish, WA (o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
On Monday 10 Nov 2003 9:24 pm, Felix Miata wrote: Richard Urwin wrote: The big problem with dd is that when it's finished the destination drive will be identical to the source drive. No it won't. Everything from the first sector through the last sector # on the old disk will be identical, which is not the same thing. If, like most people, you've bought a bigger disk, then that's hard luck. The partition table will show it as the same size as the old disk. No, it will show identical use, which is not the same thing. The new will have unallocated space beyond the last sector # used on the old disk. You can make one or more new partitions out of that space without any impact on the contents of any previous partitions. Thanks for the clarification. As I said: you might be able to add new partitions later, or you may not. It seems you can. I was worried that the size of the disk was encoded in the partition table, in which case diskdrake et al would only show a disk the same size as the old one. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: Cyrus-imapd
information is provided in /etc/imapd.conf. sasl_pwcheck_method: saslauthd sasl_mech_list: PLAIN I do have /etc/imapd.conf as it came with LM 9.2, but not smtpd.conf. I guess smtpd.conf is indeed replaced by main.cf. Well, no, smtpd.conf is the sasl configuration for postfix smtp auth. If you need smtp auth you'll need to create that file (in /usr/lib/sasl2, I think it's the wrong location but that's how mandrake's sasl package is configured). If you don't need smtp auth forget about /usr/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf After putting lmtp_admins: cyruslmtp into /etc/imapd.conf, now I can receive mail. Setting smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes would mean all clients sending mail to Postfix will be authenticated via sasl, including Exchange or other peoples' servers too? Regards, Norman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] ATI Radeon 9800Pro with 64bit AMD Opteron
Hi, Has anyone tried ATI Radeon 9800Pro with 64bit AMD Opteron? I saw the AMD64 RC1 is out now, but there was no mention. I want to setup a high-powered GNU/Linux graphics workstation. Tips appreciated JG Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Cyrus-imapd
Norman Zhang escribió: After putting lmtp_admins: cyruslmtp into /etc/imapd.conf, now I can receive mail. Setting smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes would mean all clients sending mail to Postfix will be authenticated via sasl, including Exchange or other peoples' servers too? No, that would be smtpd_sasl_auth_enabled, and only depending on the setting of smtpd_recipient_restrictions. You should google for postfix smtp auth or look at the documentation, howto and faqs section at postfix.org. Bye -- - Yo también quiero una Europa libre de Patentes de Software - - I want a Software Patents Free Europe too! And you? - --- EuropeSwPatentFree - http://EuropeSwPatentFree.hispalinux.es pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[expert] Re: Cyrus-imapd
Hi, mail. Setting smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes would mean all clients sending mail to Postfix will be authenticated via sasl, including Exchange or other peoples' servers too? Please ignore my question. smtp_sasl_auth_enable keyword tells postfix to attempt to authenticate on all outbound connections. I guess people sending in is not affected. Sorry for all the noise. I will read up on the docs before posting again. Regards, Norman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Twiki (semi-hijack)
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: [referring to POPfile v0.20.1, vs. v0.19.1] Are there any big advantages in upgrading the version? From what I gather from the relevant announcements, the use of BerkeleyDB instead of flat-file storage greatly improves the processing speed, and there seem to be a lot of worthwhile bugfixes as well. Some links: Announcement of the 0.20.0 release http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=319997 Announcement of the 0.20.1 release http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=325812 Upgrading seems rather straightforward; stop POPfile, backup its directory in its entirety, and unzip the new release over the old. The now-required BerkeleyDB Perl module is in contrib in RPM form, as perl-BerkeleyDB. Best to install that first. When POPfile next runs after the upgrade, it will convert the database file's format over. I can't offer any specific experience as regards the upgrade, as I had never tried the app until today, and opted for the current version. :) -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] cyclades under devfs
Whatever GNU/Linux you are using, it's good to look on /var/log/messages and /var/log/dmesg . This both files will give you some hints if you compiled on kernel or module to have access to your card. --- Alexandre Gonçalves Jacarandá Consultor de Tecnologia de Informação Tel.: 0 ** 21 8131-2313 Alguns caminham pelo arco, eu caminho pela reta. -- __ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
On Monday 10 November 2003 10:37 pm, Luca Olivetti wrote: Anne Wilson escribió: On Monday 10 Nov 2003 5:23 am, Michael Noble wrote: It has been a while since I last dd a disk drive (it is best to make them the same type and size). Assuming that the old disk is /dev/hda and the new disk is /dev/hdb the following command should work: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb I've heard people recommend this before, but I'm not sure why this is better than cp -a ? I do remember that the last time I tried to copy a whole directory to a new partition I had some problems before I got it right, so I want to be clear before I start. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html suggests to use cp -a I used that howto many times (either to recover from disk failure or to prepare a copy of the current distribution to a different partition before an upgrade) and I found it very useful. Bye I recently upgrade from hdb being a dvd reader and hdc a 5 gig, and hdd a cdwriter, to a dvd writer at hdd and a 120 gig at hdc, in MDk 9.1. I plugged in the drive to the case, and I started the computer, fired up MCC, went to diskdrake and told it the change, and that I wanted to make a 45 gig /var/www. it asked if I wanted what was now in my /var/www copied over (of course I did, and it did fine), and I now have a separate /var/www from /var. have you just tried to see if you can just do it with out thinking about it and using the gui? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Inspiron 3200 sound-Mandrake 9.0
I see on the web, that the sound card for this machine is said to be the Crystal 4237B and it is said to work with the CS4232 module. How can I configure it, either manually or with drakconf? BTW, the installer did not detect the card, and did not load the draksound for it. I have a home LAN, and a modem for this machine, what can I do when I am portable with it, so that I can use the modem instead of the LAN connection. Currently the LAN is up and running fine with a 3c589 PCMCIA slot NIC, and the modem has been pulled from the PCMCIA slot. And what window managers work best with this machine. I am a big fan of KDE, but I think that the machine may prefer something lighter, so as not to tax the video and processor so much. Rob -- Linux: For the people, by the people. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Inspiron 3200 sound-Mandrake 9.0
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 18:21, Rob Blomquist wrote: I see on the web, that the sound card for this machine is said to be the Crystal 4237B and it is said to work with the CS4232 module. How can I configure it, either manually or with drakconf? BTW, the installer did not detect the card, and did not load the draksound for it. try the old sndconfig utility, it does a good job on those older chips. I have a home LAN, and a modem for this machine, what can I do when I am portable with it, so that I can use the modem instead of the LAN connection. Currently the LAN is up and running fine with a 3c589 PCMCIA slot NIC, and the modem has been pulled from the PCMCIA slot. so it's a card modem instead of a built-in? What are you asking? How to swap cards? And what window managers work best with this machine. I am a big fan of KDE, but I think that the machine may prefer something lighter, so as not to tax the video and processor so much. Rob Light weight window managers get pretty idiosyncratic (in fact, I even know someone who uses ratpoison :-) Have a look at XFce, IceWM, WindowMaker, blackbox. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: Cyrus-imapd
Hi, Sorry for all the noise. I found that 9.2 is using saslauthd by default. The information is provided in /etc/imapd.conf. sasl_pwcheck_method: saslauthd sasl_mech_list: PLAIN I do have /etc/imapd.conf as it came with LM 9.2, but not smtpd.conf. I guess smtpd.conf is indeed replaced by main.cf. Well, no, smtpd.conf is the sasl configuration for postfix smtp auth. If you need smtp auth you'll need to create that file (in /usr/lib/sasl2, I think it's the wrong location but that's how mandrake's sasl package is configured). If you don't need smtp auth forget about /usr/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf I added the following lines to /etc/postfix/main.cf smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtpd_sasl_local_domain = $myhostname smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, check_relay_domains smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous My users are local users. If I changed /usr/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf to include pwcheck_method:sasldb, that means I need to add users to /var/lib/sasl2/sasl.db manually and also assign permission 644 to satisfy chroot condition? This would also make it very difficult for users to change their password? If I use local users, I could give them usermin access and they could change password at will. If I use the option pwcheck_method:pwcheck. I need to add /usr/sbin/pwck to /etc/rc.d/rc.local but I get the following errors. user adm: directory /var/adm does not exist user news: directory /var/spool/news does not exist user uucp: directory /var/spool/uucp does not exist pwck: no changes I'm lost here. Could you give some hints? Regards, Norman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Kmail po3-filters
On Monday 10 November 2003 18:26, Björn Lundin wrote: In KMail Config, network-part, your receive-account, did you check 'Filter messages if they are greater than x bytes'? That is how you enable pop-filters. /Björn AH...No...Didn'n know about that at all...Have tried to read all docs,but obviosly somehow got pass that point... Have to try it immediately... OK. Now I have tested it and that's not what I want.I have to set bytes nearly zero to keep that html-crab away.BUT same time I have to be online confirming poup windows actionsNO...that's not what I want.I have Kmail set by interwall checking my mail and want to set filter so,that all possible messages,that contains html,should be deleted from server without any confirmation. I don't understand why it sould be bound to any bytesize? Have to make succestion to Kmails authors to change that filter policy. Jarmo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] [dfox@m206-157.dsl.tsoft.com: hijack cont.]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Update of what is happening to David, forwarded to the list as per his request. David, I'd like to see those requests from your logs. Blue skies... Todd - - Forwarded message from David E. Fox - Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:41:57 -0800 (PST) From: David E. Fox X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] To: todd Subject: hijack cont. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-12.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.60 Todd: I thought I'd mail you privately on a couple of things; * because of various blacklists I cannot post to the lists and such. I'm still listed in MAPS. I am trying to get them to de list me. * After going back and forth with LX (my mail bounces to him, natch) it seems clear that an open proxy was used - a vulnerability in apache mod-proxy, to be specific. After reviewing the logs, I have seen a large number of GETs in /var/log/httpd/*.log with very long pathnames and/or requests to xxx.xxx.xxx:25. I think that is how they got in. * In order to circumvent, I have installed portsentry (why isn't this included any more with Mandrake??!??!?) and got chkrootkit. Chkrootkit reports everything OK, and portsentry has managed to block a fair number of IPs so far. * LX told me this is on bugtraq. Apparently a vulnerability exists in apache mod-proxy -- this was reported with plain vanilla apache (not apache2) in June of this year. Mandrake probably needs to ensure that users don't install apache2 components unless and until they really need them (and I admit I probably installed too much). I have removed apache2, and installed just the bare bones functionality (2 rpms vs. five or six). Todd - if you can forward this to expert I would *really* appreciate it. I hope my mail doesn't bounce :( - David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. - --- - - End forwarded message - - -- Blue skies... Todd Public key: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc scandal cannonball: you gonna wear your ferengi ears? :) Morph scandal: everyone knows its the year of the Romulan..*slap* scandal trust me to show up unfashionably dressed to a scifi convention Linux kernel 2.4.22-12.tmb.1mdk 2 users, load average: 1.21, 1.15, 1.18 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc iD8DBQE/sG8YIBT1264ScBURAp0RAKCDfN+oRY/Ki5ZOkvF0a0I8WO+l6QCg6FTp 3rPerc1NcOAO6+7xqVjoK3g= =ypUw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Inspiron 3200 sound-Mandrake 9.0
On Monday 10 November 2003 8:10 pm, Jack Coates wrote: On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 18:21, Rob Blomquist wrote: I see on the web, that the sound card for this machine is said to be the Crystal 4237B and it is said to work with the CS4232 module. How can I configure it, either manually or with drakconf? BTW, the installer did not detect the card, and did not load the draksound for it. try the old sndconfig utility, it does a good job on those older chips. I shall check it out. I have a home LAN, and a modem for this machine, what can I do when I am portable with it, so that I can use the modem instead of the LAN connection. Currently the LAN is up and running fine with a 3c589 PCMCIA slot NIC, and the modem has been pulled from the PCMCIA slot. so it's a card modem instead of a built-in? What are you asking? How to swap cards? Yes, both the NIC and modem are PCMCIA cards (3COM 56k Global Modem, and Etherlink III (3c589). And can I hot swap these cards, or what do I do to disconnect or reconnect them? Anything special? Have a look at XFce, IceWM, WindowMaker, blackbox. Thanks for the tips Rob -- Linux: For the people, by the people. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Anyone get flash player 6 working under mandrake 9.2?
I downloaded flash player 6 from macromedia download site and install it on mandrake 9.2. It used to work on mandrake 9.0 with mozilla 1.1 but not 9.2 with mozilla 1.4. Anyone get this work? Thanks, Make sure it didn't put the libs in either /usr/lib/netscape/plugin or /usr/lib/mozilla/plugin/ Had that happen to me and had to move the files it created to the right place. Yes, but I am trying to get it going with Konq in 9.2, and even though I have added the generic location, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and /usr/lib/mozilla-1.4/plugins, and I still can't get konq to use it??? -- Linux: For the people, by the people. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Anyone get flash player 6 working under mandrake 9.2?
On Monday 10 November 2003 4:29 am, Greg Meyer wrote: The best way to get flashplayer working on Mandrake is to get the Mandrake RPMS from Club Commercial Downloads. Everything goes in the right place and it works in all browsers. Is there a urpmi source for the Club Commercial site? I would love to add it. Well, I d/l FlashPlayer-6.0-3mdk.i586.rpm and urpmi'd it, and I turned out to need libstdc++2.10-2.96-0.83mdk.i586 too. And with it, all my other plugins worked properly. Rob -- Linux: For the people, by the people. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Dell laptop hangs with 9.2 when lid closed. SOLVED!!
The rpm -e -nodeps suspend-scripts didn't work, so it became obvious that it was a kernel problem, so I thought I'd upgrade to the latest kernel, and see what happens, but as I was doing that I noticed something odd in lilo.conf : append=quiet devfs=mount hdb=ide-scsi acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5 splash=silent First off I really don't know what acpi=ht means. What is ht ?? So I changed it to on But wait! Look right next to that and you'll see the causer of all pain resume=/dev/hda5 But /dev/hda5 is my bloody swap partition After removing the resume=/dev/hda5, it works fine now! Thanks alot guys for being so patient. I should have sent the append line from the start! Mof. On Tuesday 11 November 2003 00:55, Jack Coates wrote: try rpm -e --nodeps suspend-scripts. On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 21:45, Mofeed Shahin wrote: reply-to still a problem. Yeah must be something I've done with kmail. On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 23:56, Mof wrote: On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 05:28 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 16:44, Mof wrote: It appears that acpi and apm do the same thing, which is the prefered one to use anyway ? And if acpi is the prefered, how do I load up the right modules ? Mof. This order of commands should do it. As root. /etc/init.d/apmd stop chkconfig apmd off /etc/init.d/acpid start chkconfig acpid on edit lilo (or grup) and change append=acpi=off to append=acpi=on This should set you up so that upon a reboot you are running acpi not apm as well as get the right stuff started. Note acpid won't start if apm is running (conflict avoidence.) Thanks James, but even with acpi working, it still hangs. Even though I have deleted /etc/acpi/events/lid, it still crashes when I close the lid. did you remember to use service acpid restart after editing that file? yes, I even rebooted. Arrrgghhh, looks like I'll have to stick with 9.1 until I can work out what is going on here!! Mof. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] movies, jpegs, etc
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 15:45, Michael Holt wrote: Hey all, M$ has a somewhat new program called 'moviemaker' which you can download for free for winxp. I would like to know if there is something comparible for linux. I was asked if I could help with some video production at my church and they want to use Adobe Premier. As always, I would like to introduce as much opensource as possible. I haven't done much video editing, and what I have done was on Windows, several years ago. I would like something that could handle both jpeg compilation like moviemaker and also something that could do video transitions with effects similar to premier. Being able to make photos 'shatter' into the next photo or have like a 'page-flip' effect. Same with the video; maybe being able to 'twist' the video and merge into other footage. Any suggestions? Things I've looked at already are: cinelerra kino mjpeg filmgimp As I've said, I don't have much video editing experience; if one of the programs I've already mentioned does what I've asked, feel free to point that out :) Thanks! There was/is one that was by many considered to be studio quality called broadcast 2000 You can find the files here http://www.tux.org/pub/packages/orphaned/broadcast2000/ in source form and If you go to rpmfind or rpm.pbone.net you might find a src rpm as well. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Dell laptop hangs with 9.2 when lid closed. SOLVED!!
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 22:02, Mof wrote: The rpm -e -nodeps suspend-scripts didn't work, so it became obvious that it was a kernel problem, so I thought I'd upgrade to the latest kernel, and see what happens, but as I was doing that I noticed something odd in lilo.conf : append=quiet devfs=mount hdb=ide-scsi acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5 splash=silent First off I really don't know what acpi=ht means. What is ht ?? So I changed it to on But wait! Look right next to that and you'll see the causer of all pain resume=/dev/hda5 But /dev/hda5 is my bloody swap partition After removing the resume=/dev/hda5, it works fine now! Yep, it was using the same partition of the suspend as it was for swap. Whereas suspend to swap does use a swap partition to suspend, it doesn't use one that is mounted and when you use swap it really mucks with what swsuspend writes there. In other words if you had a second swap not in fstab (partitioned in size to about 20% over ram) That isn't listed in fstab then suspend to swap should work right for you. It's up to you if you want to experiment with this or not but if you have the disk you might want to use this. James Thanks alot guys for being so patient. I should have sent the append line from the start! Mof. On Tuesday 11 November 2003 00:55, Jack Coates wrote: try rpm -e --nodeps suspend-scripts. On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 21:45, Mofeed Shahin wrote: reply-to still a problem. Yeah must be something I've done with kmail. On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 23:56, Mof wrote: On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 05:28 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 16:44, Mof wrote: It appears that acpi and apm do the same thing, which is the prefered one to use anyway ? And if acpi is the prefered, how do I load up the right modules ? Mof. This order of commands should do it. As root. /etc/init.d/apmd stop chkconfig apmd off /etc/init.d/acpid start chkconfig acpid on edit lilo (or grup) and change append=acpi=off to append=acpi=on This should set you up so that upon a reboot you are running acpi not apm as well as get the right stuff started. Note acpid won't start if apm is running (conflict avoidence.) Thanks James, but even with acpi working, it still hangs. Even though I have deleted /etc/acpi/events/lid, it still crashes when I close the lid. did you remember to use service acpid restart after editing that file? yes, I even rebooted. Arrrgghhh, looks like I'll have to stick with 9.1 until I can work out what is going on here!! Mof. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] MDK 9.2 lilo problem after install of updated kernel 2.4.22-21
I did a completely fresh install of 9.2 and installed lilo with no problem. However after rebooting, logging in and installing all of the upgrades successfully, I then downloaded the updated kernel and did an rpm -ivh kernel2.4.22-21*.rpm. The kernel installed, but gave me an error when updating lilo. When attempting to manually update lilo with the new information, the following occurs: [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc]# lilo -v LILO version 22.5.7.2, Copyright (C) 1992-1998 Werner Almesberger Development beyond version 21 Copyright (C) 1999-2003 John Coffman Released 20-Aug-2003, and compiled at 16:45:54 on Sep 18 2003 Reading boot sector from /dev/sdd5 part_nowrite: read:: Input/output error Anyone know why this is happening? Never had this problem before 9.2!!! George Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Dell laptop hangs with 9.2 when lid closed.
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 16:44, Mof wrote: On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 02:58 am, Jack Coates wrote: 1st: http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/reply-to huh ?? (page times out) sorry, a power line snapped on our street and power's been out for thirteen hours. That page explains why setting your reply-to on a mailing list is really annoying, largely because it makes replies like the one I'm about to type go directly to you instead of the list archives. Directly to you may or may not help you, but to the list archives means you would have found one of the other twenty times I've typed this reply when you Googled for the problem :-) ... It appears that acpi and apm do the same thing, which is the prefered one to use anyway ? APM is old, stable, and the best thing if your laptop supports it. ACPI is new, unstable, and on some laptops the only choice available. If half your devices don't work and your laptop overheats all the time because the fan never turns on, you have an ACPI laptop and you need to edit /etc/lilo.conf, change acpi=off to acpi=on, and run /sbin/lilo. ... -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Dell laptop hangs with 9.2 when lid closed.
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 22:54, Jack Coates wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 15:27, Stew Benedict wrote: On Sat, 8 Nov 2003, Jack Coates wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 06:57, Jack Coates wrote: edit /etc/acpi/events/lid and comment out action=/usr/sbin/pmsuspend ACPI is attempting to trigger swsusp suspend-to-disk, which basically doesn't work on modern laptops. ... that's actually not a fair comment, I should actually state that it doesn't work on Mandrake kernels; it works fine with SuSE and Debian according to the other mailing lists I'm on. Actually it does, depending on the machine of course, like all acpi functionality. I was using it for a week or so, but it's so slow, I can do a normal shutdown/boot faster than a suspend resume. Machine: Compaq Presario 1215US Stew Benedict Good for you! did you do anything special or did it just work? BTW, ACPI and swsusp haven't actually got anything to do with each other, except that ACPI events can trigger a suspend. In my case. (Compaq Armada) ACPI doesn't work but APM is flawless. In fact ACPI doesn't work under other OS's either. So no loss. It really seems to be an LG problem. A number of Laptops like mine don't quite follow the spec or followed a test spec and so don't work right. I've two dells at work we use for mobile demo's Same model one is just a version up from the other (xp and ixp or something like that) One works with acpi one with apm. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bizarre postfix problem cant send mail
A lot of answers were written, you might want to go through the mail archives. My strong, nay, vehement suggestion at this point is to format that box's disk drives and start over, then ask specific questions. Portsentry is good. It is also non-free in the OSI sense since Psionic's purchase by Cisco, IIRC. Shorewall is a sight easier than editing iptables directly, but the people who can't handle it generally seem to like gshield. I've also used Monmotha in the past and liked it, does it work with iptables? Anyway, to grok shorewall you should read its docs. Here's some guiding principles: first, set up interfaces. There is at least one, which is the exterior ethernet. localhost not required here. second, set up zones. A zone is a network which is connected to an interface. There are at least two zones, one for localhost and one for the Internet. Change the Mandrake names to something you understand. third, set up policy (deny everything between Internet and localhost). fourth, set up rules (allow SMTP from Internet to localhost). On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 09:41, dfox wrote: Apparently I cannot send mail with my postfix on localhost to the network. Previously this was working fine and I don't see any changes made to my postfix configuration files. But in the last few days things have not gone well here. Firstly, my system was hijacked and used as an open proxy to send megabytes of spam to the network. :(. My isp filtered my outgoing smtp port and that is when I began to see a few errors in my /var/log/mail/errors file (unknown service tcp/smtp). After finding out about this, I tried to post to the list and I don't think any of my messages went out. I had to go into /var/spool/postfix and start deleting a whole bunch of files in deferred - there was at one time seven megabytes of messages trying to get out! And those were the invalid addresses. I wonder how spammers survive -- I guess they just exploit other systems to do the dirty work :(. At the moment, My box is better secured thanks to portsentry (why isn't this program in mandrake I could not urpmi it, but I did find it through rpmfind.org and the source rpm built and installed fine. I tried running shorewall but got nowhere. I don't know how to edit shorewall files and I don't want something that won't even let me ping my gateway when installed. iptables is running because of portsentry but I don't see anything that is specifically tied to port 25. And in atcp mode it's supposed to ignore certain standard ports anyway. It seems like a catch 22 - if I disable the filters perhaps outbound smtp will work, but if I do that, I'm back to where I was before, and people will start targeting my box again. I counted 72 attempts of portscanning done in less than six hours, and 10 minutes after I restarted httpd I got spurious gets in my apache log files. I think this is how they got into my box in the first place, since I don't do much if any web stuff, and my log files are tiny - the other day they were over a megabyte. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Dell laptop hangs with 9.2 when lid closed.
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 14:22, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 08:28, Jack Coates wrote: 1st: http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/reply-to check /var/log/acpid... I just checked mine and found something spooky, which is that it's still trying to execute /usr/sbin/pmsuspend and just failing because the file was renamed /usr/sbin/pmsuspend2 (which also doesn't work to suspend the laptop). grep -r shows that pmsuspend isn't being called from anything in /etc... oh for crying out loud... acpid needs to be restarted. service acpid restart. ... Jack, Are you having one of those days :D James that was the last time I touched a computer all day -- I went outside to fix a gutter, a power line down the block snapped (no fault of mine :-), and there goes the juice. Just came back on thirty minutes ago, -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Dell laptop hangs with 9.2 when lid closed.
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 22:54, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 22:54, Jack Coates wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 15:27, Stew Benedict wrote: On Sat, 8 Nov 2003, Jack Coates wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 06:57, Jack Coates wrote: edit /etc/acpi/events/lid and comment out action=/usr/sbin/pmsuspend ACPI is attempting to trigger swsusp suspend-to-disk, which basically doesn't work on modern laptops. ... that's actually not a fair comment, I should actually state that it doesn't work on Mandrake kernels; it works fine with SuSE and Debian according to the other mailing lists I'm on. Actually it does, depending on the machine of course, like all acpi functionality. I was using it for a week or so, but it's so slow, I can do a normal shutdown/boot faster than a suspend resume. Machine: Compaq Presario 1215US Stew Benedict Good for you! did you do anything special or did it just work? BTW, ACPI and swsusp haven't actually got anything to do with each other, except that ACPI events can trigger a suspend. In my case. (Compaq Armada) ACPI doesn't work but APM is flawless. In fact ACPI doesn't work under other OS's either. So no loss. It really seems to be an LG problem. A number of Laptops like mine don't quite follow the spec or followed a test spec and so don't work right. I've two dells at work we use for mobile demo's Same model one is just a version up from the other (xp and ixp or something like that) One works with acpi one with apm. James There's a guy on the Linux-sony list with the exact same model of laptop as me who had swsusp and ACPI working fine almost a year ago, using Debian. Me, I try with every new Mandrake kernel, and I'm always disappointed. I'm about ready to put Debian on the laptop. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Draksync with subdirs
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:20, stefmit wrote: ... ftp? why not use IPX too as long as we're talking dead tech. Perhaps because this is what those other boxes have ... i.e. this IS what I have to deal with ... Sorry, I was a bit short. I've never had a good experience with Draksync, had it delete something the first time I tried it and I promptly went back to doing my own scripts by hand. Anyway, freshmeat for ftpmirror. The real answer is rsync. For Linux only, and for machines under my full control ... ;( Thx. there are rsync binaries for win32, I've used them extensively. However, Winders admins will usually run screaming when they smell Unix, in which case I've offered the following heinous pile which they find perfectly satisfactory: Offer a Samba mount accessed via IPsec and let them use their resource kit's synchronization tool (read, rsync with a minty Winders flavor). More complex, more failure-prone, they love it. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
Am I alone in noticing the insanity. As if SCO wasn't bad enough. Lycoris deciding that it can rewrite the GPL. Now the CEO of RedHat (or as I've heard of late DeadRat) is advocating that Home users stick with Windows as Linux isn't ready for the desktop. Maybe I should send the SOB a copy of 9.2 when it's ready to show him what RH could have been if they didn't suffer from NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Draksync with subdirs
oh yeah, and if ftpmirror doesn't do it for you, man ncftpput or ncftpget (depending on direction of course). For bonus points, here's incremental support once you've sync'ed the tree: http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/tools/backups -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
Anyone interested in this mess should have a look at this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/33823.html They're trying to increase revenues by preventing use of their desktop offering in the server room. They've chosen a method that cuts off the nose to spite the face, but I still think they'll continue to be quite successful in the Fortune 500 space for inertial reasons. Only thing is, when the Fortune 500 begins to seriously evaluate Linux desktops, they won't be running RH. The question is, once they bring in Mandrake or SuSE or Fedora for the desktops, what's going to stop them from bringing it into the server room too? RH is trying to build two truly separate distributions, a server and a desktop, with different source trees, different package revisions, different config tools... This is such an architecturally flawed move that it clearly came from marketing, especially because doing it in an open source environment is practically impossible. Every feature they remove can easily be replaced, every attempt to cripple Fedora for server use can be circumvented, and if it isn't easy to do then Fedora will simply get dropped like a hot rock. If the community drops it, RH's only chance to encourage it for desktop use is to play licensing and discount games, where enforceability gets difficult and customer/vendor relations get adversarial. Generally a bone-headed move all around -- worst case scenario is a hated albatross cousin to RH server, best case scenario is that they've spawned their own new competitor. On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 23:20, James Sparenberg wrote: Am I alone in noticing the insanity. As if SCO wasn't bad enough. Lycoris deciding that it can rewrite the GPL. Now the CEO of RedHat (or as I've heard of late DeadRat) is advocating that Home users stick with Windows as Linux isn't ready for the desktop. Maybe I should send the SOB a copy of 9.2 when it's ready to show him what RH could have been if they didn't suffer from NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:20 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Am I alone in noticing the insanity. As if SCO wasn't bad enough. Lycoris deciding that it can rewrite the GPL. Now the CEO of RedHat (or as I've heard of late DeadRat) is advocating that Home users stick with Windows as Linux isn't ready for the desktop. Maybe I should send the SOB a copy of 9.2 when it's ready to show him what RH could have been if they didn't suffer from NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm James Nah - you're not alone. I posted a message with a link to an announcement about this. The subject went something like Redhat = traitors?... grin -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Dell laptop hangs with 9.2 when lid closed.
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 05:28 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 16:44, Mof wrote: It appears that acpi and apm do the same thing, which is the prefered one to use anyway ? And if acpi is the prefered, how do I load up the right modules ? Mof. This order of commands should do it. As root. /etc/init.d/apmd stop chkconfig apmd off /etc/init.d/acpid start chkconfig acpid on edit lilo (or grup) and change append=acpi=off to append=acpi=on This should set you up so that upon a reboot you are running acpi not apm as well as get the right stuff started. Note acpid won't start if apm is running (conflict avoidence.) Thanks James, but even with acpi working, it still hangs. Even though I have deleted /etc/acpi/events/lid, it still crashes when I close the lid. Here is a snippet from dmesg when acpid loads up: ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery present) ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT1] (battery present) ACPI: AC Adapter [AC] (on-line) ACPI: Processor [CPU0] (supports C1 C2, 2 performance states, 8 throttling states) ACPI: Thermal Zone [THM] (73 C) ACPI: Lid Switch [LID] ACPI: Power Button (CM) [PBTN] ACPI: Sleep Button (CM) [SBTN] How is ACPI configured ? I mean it looks like its stlll configured to do something when the lid is closed, even though there is nothing in /etc/acpi/events/ besides power. The bios is set to do nothing if the lid is closed, and the AC power is plugged in. I'm getting close to giving up here. :-( Mof. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
On September 1993 plus 3721 days James Sparenberg wrote: Lycoris deciding that it can rewrite the GPL. Uhm...for their own code, yes, they can...it won't be the GPL any more, but it's their own license. Depending on the changes, it may or may not still be Free Software and/or Open Source Software, but they *can* write any license they may want for *their own code*. On the other hand, I hadn't heard anything about this...could you point me to any URLs that talk about this? Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Bizarre postfix problem cant send mail
On Sunday 09 Nov 2003 7:10 am, Jack Coates wrote: A lot of answers were written, you might want to go through the mail archives. My strong, nay, vehement suggestion at this point is to format that box's disk drives and start over, then ask specific questions. Portsentry is good. It is also non-free in the OSI sense since Psionic's purchase by Cisco, IIRC. Shorewall is a sight easier than editing iptables directly, but the people who can't handle it generally seem to like gshield. I've also used Monmotha in the past and liked it, does it work with iptables? Anyway, to grok shorewall you should read its docs. Here's some guiding principles: first, set up interfaces. There is at least one, which is the exterior ethernet. localhost not required here. second, set up zones. A zone is a network which is connected to an interface. There are at least two zones, one for localhost and one for the Internet. Change the Mandrake names to something you understand. third, set up policy (deny everything between Internet and localhost). fourth, set up rules (allow SMTP from Internet to localhost). On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 09:41, dfox wrote: SNIP I tried running shorewall but got nowhere. I don't know how to edit shorewall files and I don't want something that won't even let me ping my gateway when installed. iptables is running because of portsentry but I don't see anything that is specifically tied to port 25. And in atcp mode it's supposed to ignore certain standard ports anyway. Shorewall by default disables Ping. If you want ping enabled then add a line in /etc/shorewall/rules ACCEPT loc fw icmp8 (assuming the local zone is called 'loc') then 'shorewall restart' derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well, I gotta say that Redhat does have a point. I do think that linux is not yet ready for the everyday desktop user except for Lindows - for a relatively small subpopulation. I use it exclusively but then I have been playing with linux for years now. I get it. My father, wife, sisters...they don't get it. They get boggled by configuration this and that, logins, etc. They are all too used to just firing up and going with what is familiar. Then, the biggy, is games. If you play games then you are set to go through even more work with only a fractional hope that the game will work (working with wine is not straightup simple and obvious). The newest games rarely work, or work only poorly. Not a great way to make a favorable impression. Lindows is set to give linux a poor name as well, with their default run-as-root setup. Sure, it makes it install and run similar to windoze but it also makes it just as vulnerable as windoze. This can only make people think (ultimately) that linux is no more free viruses, worms, and hack attacks as windoze. I do think that for those who really just do web browsing, document editing, emailing, then linux is perfectly valid. For those who game it just isn't there and wont be until linux gets more game titles itself or wine/winex gets much better and easier to work with. On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:58 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:20 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Am I alone in noticing the insanity. As if SCO wasn't bad enough. Lycoris deciding that it can rewrite the GPL. Now the CEO of RedHat (or as I've heard of late DeadRat) is advocating that Home users stick with Windows as Linux isn't ready for the desktop. Maybe I should send the SOB a copy of 9.2 when it's ready to show him what RH could have been if they didn't suffer from NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm James Nah - you're not alone. I posted a message with a link to an announcement about this. The subject went something like Redhat = traitors?... grin - -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. - --Krakauer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rk4Yb1CLurEA6xURAmsnAJ9LgwGW6BvaUmOZeapdXBGE4SS/4gCcDgja efM+7BPnCsPpFFqMr7rREWE= =BHUM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:42 am, Jack Coates wrote: Anyone interested in this mess should have a look at this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/33823.html They're trying to increase revenues by preventing use of their desktop offering in the server room. They've chosen a method that cuts off the nose to spite the face, but I still think they'll continue to be quite successful in the Fortune 500 space for inertial reasons. Only thing is, when the Fortune 500 begins to seriously evaluate Linux desktops, they won't be running RH. The question is, once they bring in Mandrake or SuSE or Fedora for the desktops, what's going to stop them from bringing it into the server room too? My take on this is that it is more of a branding issue. Desktops need much more cutting edge, in most cases, than do servers and certainly different types of supported hardware. RH appears to be attempting to fully differentiate its offerings, Fedora on the desktop with more cutting edge releases and by necessity, more buggy software, and the staid, old tried and true Redhat that goes into the server, has paid support and doesn't depend as much on the community. I don't necessarily think that any of this is a bad idea, at least from the perspective of creating an OS that is designed for a specific segment. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
Jack Coates wrote: worst case scenario is a hated albatross cousin to RH server, best case scenario is that they've spawned their own new competitor. http://www.caosity.org Bye -- - Yo también quiero una Europa libre de Patentes de Software - - I want a Software Patents Free Europe too! And you? - --- EuropeSwPatentFree - http://EuropeSwPatentFree.hispalinux.es pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Dell laptop hangs with 9.2 when lid closed.
reply-to still a problem. On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 23:56, Mof wrote: On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 05:28 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 16:44, Mof wrote: It appears that acpi and apm do the same thing, which is the prefered one to use anyway ? And if acpi is the prefered, how do I load up the right modules ? Mof. This order of commands should do it. As root. /etc/init.d/apmd stop chkconfig apmd off /etc/init.d/acpid start chkconfig acpid on edit lilo (or grup) and change append=acpi=off to append=acpi=on This should set you up so that upon a reboot you are running acpi not apm as well as get the right stuff started. Note acpid won't start if apm is running (conflict avoidence.) Thanks James, but even with acpi working, it still hangs. Even though I have deleted /etc/acpi/events/lid, it still crashes when I close the lid. did you remember to use service acpid restart after editing that file? Here is a snippet from dmesg when acpid loads up: ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery present) ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT1] (battery present) ACPI: AC Adapter [AC] (on-line) ACPI: Processor [CPU0] (supports C1 C2, 2 performance states, 8 throttling states) ACPI: Thermal Zone [THM] (73 C) ACPI: Lid Switch [LID] ACPI: Power Button (CM) [PBTN] ACPI: Sleep Button (CM) [SBTN] How is ACPI configured ? I mean it looks like its stlll configured to do something when the lid is closed, even though there is nothing in /etc/acpi/events/ besides power. The bios is set to do nothing if the lid is closed, and the AC power is plugged in. I'm getting close to giving up here. :-( Mof. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 06:22, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:42 am, Jack Coates wrote: Anyone interested in this mess should have a look at this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/33823.html They're trying to increase revenues by preventing use of their desktop offering in the server room. They've chosen a method that cuts off the nose to spite the face, but I still think they'll continue to be quite successful in the Fortune 500 space for inertial reasons. Only thing is, when the Fortune 500 begins to seriously evaluate Linux desktops, they won't be running RH. The question is, once they bring in Mandrake or SuSE or Fedora for the desktops, what's going to stop them from bringing it into the server room too? My take on this is that it is more of a branding issue. Desktops need much more cutting edge, in most cases, than do servers and certainly different types of supported hardware. RH appears to be attempting to fully differentiate its offerings, Fedora on the desktop with more cutting edge releases and by necessity, more buggy software, and the staid, old tried and true Redhat that goes into the server, has paid support and doesn't depend as much on the community. I don't necessarily think that any of this is a bad idea, at least from the perspective of creating an OS that is designed for a specific segment. That's good strategy in the proprietary world, but the open source community around both distributions has to buy into the idea for it to work in this case. How long before scratch-an-itch leads to Fedora being a pretty good server platform? Any way, it's all non-Mandrake. On another list, the question has been bringing up all sorts of cross-distribution questions. So, how many people here are using Mandrake as a server vs as a desktop? The general impression seems to be that Mandrake is mainly a desktop OS, which is only used as a server in SOHO environments. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I myself would not automatically say, Use linux instead! It's just as good as windoze with regards to desktop use. In many cases it IS as good, if not better, than doze. No viruses, more stable, etc, but it does come at a cost of increased complexity for the end user. They do need to know/understand more to successfully install and operate linux than they do with windoze. And gamers. Forget about it. I myself and happy to try to play games under winex but most of the time they do not work so if I want to play, I HAVE to reboot to doze. Could you honestly say that telling everyone to add even more complexity to their computer use and dual install linux on their windoze system and then go back and forth as a matter of course? I use linux 100% exclusive as my desktop system (except for most games). I am a militant anti-M$ guy though, so I learned linux. This isn't the case with most generic users. Then there are specialized desktop users. I am a scientist in biochemistry/molecular biology. I have taken the time to learn the ins and outs of linux use and am now able (thus far) to use it exclusively in my work. My colleagues are a different matter. They all use either windoze boxes or Macs. They absolutely REQUIRE a reference manager like EndNote. They use word or, rarely, wordperfect plus EndNote to produce their research papers for submission to journals. The closest thing in linux to an app that can do the same sort of thing is Lyx/LaTex and pybliographic or sixpack. I used Lyx + pybliograhic to write my dissertation and journal submissions. I took the not inconsiderable time to learn much of the intricacies of Lyx. My colleagues don't have time or patience for this. All this said, I really dislike using Lyx. It is painful and counterintuitive. I would LOVE to be able to do this in OpenOffice. I would LOVE for the document on the screen to appear as it does when I print it out (Lyx gives no indication of what the output will actually look like). The problem is that OpenOffice on linux is not able to deal with references/citations. It does have a builtin bibliography setup but it is rudimentary and extremely limited. In fairness, there is a plan to improve on the bibliography system to make it more powerful and configurable but it isn't due to start hitting the released versions until 1.2 at the earliest. EndNote on windoze does support OpenOffice (as of EndNote 7.0, I think) so on WINDOZE, you can use OpenOffice and produce well-referenced documents with the same ease as you can with Word or Wordperfect with EndNote. In this area, linux just lacks and cannot work as a dropin replacement for most users. Most users are not going to want to learn Lyx. I can use OpenOffice for presentations and drawing, but I cannot use it for writing. For that I have to use Lyx. I cannot play most games on linux but can on windoze. Such annoyances, plus the complexity of having to administer linux is just beyond what most generic users really want. It is getting there, and Mandrake is leading the way, but it really isn't fair to say that linux CAN replace windoze for most users as their primary (at home) desktop system. It isn't even really viable yet in certain academic/scientific circles. praedor On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:20 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Am I alone in noticing the insanity. As if SCO wasn't bad enough. Lycoris deciding that it can rewrite the GPL. Now the CEO of RedHat (or as I've heard of late DeadRat) is advocating that Home users stick with Windows as Linux isn't ready for the desktop. Maybe I should send the SOB a copy of 9.2 when it's ready to show him what RH could have been if they didn't suffer from NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm James - -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. - --Krakauer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rlhbb1CLurEA6xURArWHAJ983b8giPqcZtYF5e6G+6EUeDT2yACeP/p+ AlixjWOrFdqnGm7mR5XQeAw= =cOQo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing menus in window managers
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 14:42, Tim Sawchuck wrote: Edit /etc/menu/menudrakeentry, and where it has title=, make it title=Style (actually *any* word will fix it). Then re-run update-menus -v as root. This is a known combo-bug (new techie term!) caused by Fluxbox and RPM. You might check that you have updated copies of both, but editing the above line will fix it. Believe me, I have done it a couple or triple dozen times in the last few weeks, running Cooker as they got this solved. ;-) Tim *whe* That did it. Thanks for your help, Tim! -- Cheers, Trey --- Thieves respect property; they merely wish the property to become their property that they may more perfectly respect it. -- G.K. Chesterton, The Man Who Was Thursday signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
I'm not sure I'm in total agreement. The computing community is not made up of only two types of users: experts (many of whom use linux) and complete neophytes (who, for the sake of argument, use Windows). There is, in fact, a wide spectrum of folks - some of whom want an appliance, those who are interested in making the machine work better, those who like to tinker, all the way to the more hard-core 'hacker' (like many of us). So one size does not fit all and there's certainly plenty of well-functioning linux desktop systems that work well and are easy enough to deal with even for an inexperienced user. A user may need help in figuring out something/getting something new working but these lists (and info resources on the web such as twiki) can fill that need. A personal example..At home I have two machines that the family uses; both are dual boot and can load Windows; one runs Mandrake 9.1, the other Red Hat 9.0. My wife and children have had the choice of loading Windows or Linux for the last year and a half. They run linux 100% of the time. I believe my wife and older daughter truly don't care...they're just trying to get things done and they know that I'll keep the computers up-to-date and running. My younger daughter is a bit more of a hacker and has grown to dislike Windowsshe spends most of her time designing things with the gimp, reconfiguring the desktop, etc. Bottom line...in a typical family (albeit with a hobbyist hacker in the house) situation, they've chosen linux over windows and have no complaints or regrets (although they all still love the old Macintosh upstairs :-). Terry Smith Cape Cod USA On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 09:24, Praedor Atrebates wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well, I gotta say that Redhat does have a point. I do think that linux is not yet ready for the everyday desktop user except for Lindows - for a relatively small subpopulation. I use it exclusively but then I have been playing with linux for years now. I get it. My father, wife, sisters...they don't get it. They get boggled by configuration this and that, logins, etc. They are all too used to just firing up and going with what is familiar. Then, the biggy, is games. If you play games then you are set to go through even more work with only a fractional hope that the game will work (working with wine is not straightup simple and obvious). The newest games rarely work, or work only poorly. Not a great way to make a favorable impression. Lindows is set to give linux a poor name as well, with their default run-as-root setup. Sure, it makes it install and run similar to windoze but it also makes it just as vulnerable as windoze. This can only make people think (ultimately) that linux is no more free viruses, worms, and hack attacks as windoze. I do think that for those who really just do web browsing, document editing, emailing, then linux is perfectly valid. For those who game it just isn't there and wont be until linux gets more game titles itself or wine/winex gets much better and easier to work with. On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:58 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:20 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Am I alone in noticing the insanity. As if SCO wasn't bad enough. Lycoris deciding that it can rewrite the GPL. Now the CEO of RedHat (or as I've heard of late DeadRat) is advocating that Home users stick with Windows as Linux isn't ready for the desktop. Maybe I should send the SOB a copy of 9.2 when it's ready to show him what RH could have been if they didn't suffer from NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm James Nah - you're not alone. I posted a message with a link to an announcement about this. The subject went something like Redhat = traitors?... grin - -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. - --Krakauer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rk4Yb1CLurEA6xURAmsnAJ9LgwGW6BvaUmOZeapdXBGE4SS/4gCcDgja efM+7BPnCsPpFFqMr7rREWE= =BHUM -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Terry Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Impending drive problem?
Recently I have noticed that my drive is noisy from time to time. It is a 6-month old drive, with an older one as slave. I have unmounted all the partitions on the old drive, but it is still happening, so I have to assume that it is the new drive. We have had workmen in the house for over 2 weeks, and there has been an incredible amount of dust. I cleaned out the inside of the box as well as I could after the main part of the work was complete, but it was only at about time that the noise started. I think it is when writing to swap. I suspect that dust has got in where I cannot follow. How likely is that? I wonder if I should be buying another drive of the same size, then doing an overnight cp -a to the new drive, then attempting to use rsync to keep them mirrored, just in case. What do you think? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
On Sunday 09 November 2003 10:41 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Recently I have noticed that my drive is noisy from time to time. It is a 6-month old drive, with an older one as slave. I have unmounted all the partitions on the old drive, but it is still happening, so I have to assume that it is the new drive. Anne, first to be absolutely sure - I think I would unplug the old drive completely from the system. You don't have to remove it, just unplug the P/S. Then see if you still have the noise... -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:24 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Well, I gotta say that Redhat does have a point. I do think that linux is not yet ready for the everyday desktop user except for Lindows - for a relatively small subpopulation. Hmm, I disagree. My 10 and 12 year old (not to mention my wife) use Mandrake here with very few problems. Sure, my wife uses it almost exclusively for e-mail and web-browsing, but thats what the Windoze majority does anyways, right? and the boys use it mostly for games...again, following the norm. Most Windows users run to a local Windog guru when they have problems anyways, and thats what my crowd here does - run to me. So whats the diff? :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:54 am, Jack Coates wrote: That's good strategy in the proprietary world, but the open source community around both distributions has to buy into the idea for it to work in this case. Well, it is new but I think that once the community realizes that RH is continuing to support Open Source and continuing to make an investment in Fedora, they will come to accept the differentiation. If you look at it as a way to clearly separate the desktop product from the server product, it begins to be seen as mostly a marketing move. In some ways, this may also help them combat the FUD from MS. With less frequent software updates and longer testing periods before new releases of RH, they will show a more low-key track record of security vulnerabilities and patches than they might if they were more cutting edge like Fedora. For those of us who understand IT, we know that frequency of patches is not necessarily an indicator of low quality, in many cases, it can be an indicator of high quality as the number of testers and developers patch things before they even become known issues. However, MS appears to be ready to use desktop numbers to recommend against certain Linux distributions, so this may just be a way for RH to combat that type of activity. How long before scratch-an-itch leads to Fedora being a pretty good server platform? It may already be a pretty good server platform. I guess the main question then becomes, how many companies want to rely on a pretty good server platform for their enterprise production level systems that will cause them to actually lose money if they go down. Red Hat has never compared well in the desktop market because of their reputation as having less cutting edge packages, less consumer hardware support, etc. This whole thing may just be a case of RH wanting people to compare apples to apples. I have always liked Mandrake more than RedHat because it does have more cutting edge software that I liked, at the price of some bugs that I could either work around or figure out how to fix myself. However, I am not running an enterprise wide banking system on it either. If I were, I might consider the ramifications of frequent software updates, less dedicated testing, and more unknown quantities in the mix. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:41:05 + Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I have noticed that my drive is noisy from time to time. It is a 6-month old drive, with an older one as slave. I have unmounted all the partitions on the old drive, but it is still happening, so I have to assume that it is the new drive. We have had workmen in the house for over 2 weeks, and there has been an incredible amount of dust. I cleaned out the inside of the box as well as I could after the main part of the work was complete, but it was only at about time that the noise started. I think it is when writing to swap. I suspect that dust has got in where I cannot follow. How likely is that? Not likely, hard drives are a sealed unit and if dust did get in then it would be a defective drive. I have had two drives go in the last 6 months the way you describe, they just dont make them like they used to. I would see if you could get it replaced. I wonder if I should be buying another drive of the same size, then doing an overnight cp -a to the new drive, then attempting to use rsync to keep them mirrored, just in case. What do you think? Regards, Dan Gordon -- Sun Nov 9 11:20:13 EST 2003 11:20:13 up 12:53, 2 users, load average: 0.05, 0.03, 0.00 ... bleakness ... desolation ... plastic forks ... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 11:02, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:24 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Well, I gotta say that Redhat does have a point. I do think that linux is not yet ready for the everyday desktop user except for Lindows - for a relatively small subpopulation. Hmm, I disagree. My 10 and 12 year old (not to mention my wife) use Mandrake here with very few problems. Sure, my wife uses it almost exclusively for e-mail and web-browsing, but thats what the Windoze majority does anyways, right? and the boys use it mostly for games...again, following the norm. Most Windows users run to a local Windog guru when they have problems anyways, and thats what my crowd here does - run to me. So whats the diff? :-) I've noticed the exact same thing, DL. In fact a young person I know recently told me that he could install and run Mandrake without trouble, yet couldn't seem to get winblowz to operate as easily, and deferred to a local shop for assistance in getting his winblowz to work correctly. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Filter That, Beach! --Lanman, MDK Newbie List Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] fetchmail not working on 9.2
I installed 9.2 all the patches and fetchmail does not work. I can go back to 9.0 and fetchmail works. Has anybody gotten fetchmail to work on 9.2, if so what is the trick? Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 10:41, Anne Wilson wrote: Recently I have noticed that my drive is noisy from time to time. It is a 6-month old drive, with an older one as slave. I have unmounted all the partitions on the old drive, but it is still happening, so I have to assume that it is the new drive. We have had workmen in the house for over 2 weeks, and there has been an incredible amount of dust. I cleaned out the inside of the box as well as I could after the main part of the work was complete, but it was only at about time that the noise started. I think it is when writing to swap. I suspect that dust has got in where I cannot follow. How likely is that? I wonder if I should be buying another drive of the same size, then doing an overnight cp -a to the new drive, then attempting to use rsync to keep them mirrored, just in case. What do you think? Anne Dust won't affect the drive, but heat will. If the drive is mounted with another drive right on top or right on the bottom, it can disentegrate from not being able to shed heat. One inch of airspace on top and bottom should be about right. Another thing is if a drive is left on 24/7, it will not (normally) last as long as a drive that is powered down. Which is one reason that I power down systems that are not being used; the bearings have a finite number of rotations on them before they fail. Not just the bearings in the hard disks but also all the fan/motor bearings. However that shouldn't be an issue with a 6 month old drive. The probability is that you have some sort of manufacturers defect with this drive and should start thinking about sending it in for replacement. If you are dead sure that this drive is the source of the noise, I would be calling in for an RMA number. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Lets face it if winblowz wasn't full of holes then it would probably look like Linux -- Aron Smith, Mandrake OT mailing list *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunday 09 November 2003 9:26 am, Dan Gordon wrote: snip Not likely, hard drives are a sealed unit and if dust did get in then it would be a defective drive. I have had two drives go in the last 6 months the way you describe, they just dont make them like they used to. I would see if you could get it replaced. Good advice. I wonder if I should be buying another drive of the same size, then doing an overnight cp -a to the new drive, then attempting to use rsync to keep them mirrored, just in case. What do you think? I probably would just to be safe. It's a pain to try to rescue data after spindle bearings have given up the ghost. See below. Regards, Dan Gordon I upgraded a friend's old Compaq Presario roughly two months ago because his CD-ROM died, we replaced it with a Cicero 52x32x52 CD-RW that was on sale for CDN$35. Then a week later his original 13 GB hard drive started to make the death rattle whenever it got warm. Added a new 30 GB Maxtor he bought, mirrored the original Compaq/Windows partitions by freezing the old drive to shut it up, and installed Mandrake 9.1 for good measure. His future brother-in-lust gave him a 9 month old Maxtor 20 GB that has bad sectors the next day. I managed to get RMA for that one, the day after I did the report to Maxtor his new 30 GB started doing weird things. Got RMA for that one too, but had to use a new 60 GB I had sitting here (no more drive slots available in my old clunker) to keep him going until the new replacement drives arrived. sigh You think *you* have drive problems? g If it's mass produced it can be a lump, no matter what _it_ is. Including people. (-; Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 09:43:55 up 8 days, 18:22, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.04, 0.06 The plot was designed in a light vein that somehow became varicose. -- David Lardner -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rnJqG11CaRuZZSIRAlLbAJ9Du6WGvbSPMGDX9wYNlGTNLGvUNwCgmhNb Pai/5iP5O9OkFYylgh/cIJE= =yzqn -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
Anne, Usually when a drive starts to make noise, it is caused by the bearings. I have had drives last for years while making noise. But if this is a new drive (less than a year) you will probably be able to get it replaced. But since you will have to deal with the manufacturer of the drive (which will mean down time) it would probably do best to go out and purchase another drive replace the noisy drive and then get it replaced. Once replaced, you will have a spare drive for future use. For the copy, I would suggest dd rather than cp. Mike Anne Wilson wrote: Recently I have noticed that my drive is noisy from time to time. It is a 6-month old drive, with an older one as slave. I have unmounted all the partitions on the old drive, but it is still happening, so I have to assume that it is the new drive. We have had workmen in the house for over 2 weeks, and there has been an incredible amount of dust. I cleaned out the inside of the box as well as I could after the main part of the work was complete, but it was only at about time that the noise started. I think it is when writing to swap. I suspect that dust has got in where I cannot follow. How likely is that? I wonder if I should be buying another drive of the same size, then doing an overnight cp -a to the new drive, then attempting to use rsync to keep them mirrored, just in case. What do you think? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] providing an SSL and non SSL way of accessing each domains www and cgi-bin.
Brian V Bonini wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 13:44, Franki wrote: I think you are not understanding what I mean.. Right now, I have the cert bound to my secure.my-domain.com subdomain.. I don't need the cert to work with any other domains... I just want to create a way whereby I can give my users the ability to each use my secure.my-domain.com subdomain to access their files. files via SSL.. What I was thinking was you could set up was a wild card that would work like: https://*.my-domain.com Then each of the sites could have a cname to utilize your cert. https://domain1.my-domain.com https://domain2.my-domain.com etc Anyway, what happens if you symlink secure.my-domain.com/theirusername to the document root for their-domain.com? Yeah, I understand wildcard certs.. but one would not make my job any easier for this task.. Funnily enough I did something similar to what you just suggested. I have setup a secure webroot which contains one dir for each host.. The dirs are symlinked to the users web root.. like cgi-ssl so they can easily put stuff in those directories like normal. seems to be working. but I'd have prefered a simplier answer.. no matter, It's working, that will do for now... rgds Franki -- Please sign our petition to encourage notebook manufacturers to offer video card upgrades just like desktops. http://www.petitiononline.com/inspiron/petition.html For free scripts, online webmaster tools, HTML, XHTML, Perl PHP tutorials and stuff, visit: http://htmlfixit.com, Free web developer resources. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
Franki schrieb am Mon, 10 Nov 2003 00:58:46 +0800: Perth has dozens of small business servers (biggest company has 40 employees) All of them are mandrake, non are 9.2 (yet) but that might change sometime soon when I am happy with it. (servers are 7.2 mostly, but some 8.1/8.2/9.0 machines also, but the 7.2 machines have been moved away from the internet.) All of them have been getting uptimes over 100 days (by which time I've had to restart them for a kernel upgrade or something).. Just as an aside: Did you post a report to MandrakeBizCases? http://www.mandrakebizcases.com/modules.php?name=Submit_News They are always glad to hear such things and the numerous reports on the site serve well as argumentation help for people trying to persuade their boss to have a look at Mandrake Linux. wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing menus in window managers
On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 10:07:43 -0500 Trey Sizemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribed on electronic parchment: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 14:42, Tim Sawchuck wrote: Edit /etc/menu/menudrakeentry, and where it has title=, make it title=Style (actually *any* word will fix it). Then re-run update-menus -v as root. This is a known combo-bug (new techie term!) caused by Fluxbox and RPM. You might check that you have updated copies of both, but editing the above line will fix it. Believe me, I have done it a couple or triple dozen times in the last few weeks, running Cooker as they got this solved. ;-) Tim *whe* That did it. Thanks for your help, Tim! You are welcome. That's half of why we are here. The other half is to *get* help. ;-) Tim -- _ ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail x registered Linux user # 329428 / \ GnuPG KeyID 6B5A70DF www.keyserver.net pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] xtart and a new session
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, bascule wrote: is there a way to get xtart to start a session on another screen, a-la 'startx -- :1' Yes, by using Hans Updyke's modified Xtart script, myXtart: http://www.dimensional.com/~hansup/linux/xtart/ It works just like the regular Xtart, but it will determine the next available display automatically, and launch your session on that. Hans is a regular contributor to the alt.os.linux.mandrake newsgroup. HTH! -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work?
Yes, the volume is turned up in aumix, alsamixer and kmix. I ran the sound configuration tool. That doesn't help. Thanks anyway. Adrian On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 09:13:54 + Alexis L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the words: Indeed, I have the same audio chip set, and after a few hours research, I eventually realized that the sound volume was set to zero in aumix.. From: Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mandrake Expert List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work? Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:33:23 -0800 number 1 thing to check is alsamixer, followed by the system mixer (aumix, kmix, c). On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 21:18, Linux wrote: My computer is silent The mobo is an Intel D865GBF (www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bf). I am using the onboard sound. It works fine under Windows98SE. I use Enlightenment, and I can enable sounds under E, but I don't hear anything. I can also see that esd is running if I run top or kpm. Below are various commands and their outputs. lspcidrake -v | fgrep AUDIO: snd-intel8x0: Intel Corp.|82801EB AC'97 Audio [MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO](vendor:8086 device:24d5 subv:8086 subd:e001) grep sound-slot /etc/modules.conf: alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0 /sbin/lsmod: Module Size Used byNot tainted sg 34636 0 (autoclean) parport_pc 25096 1 (autoclean) lp 8096 0 (autoclean) parport34176 1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp] agpgart40896 6 (autoclean) snd-seq-oss31104 0 (unused) snd-seq-midi-event 5640 0 [snd-seq-oss] snd-seq42608 2 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event] snd-pcm-oss43556 1 snd-mixer-oss 14488 0 [snd-pcm-oss] snd-intel8x0 21988 1 snd-ac97-codec 40160 0 [snd-intel8x0] snd-pcm77536 0 [snd-pcm-oss snd-intel8x0] snd-timer 18376 0 [snd-seq snd-pcm] snd-mpu401-uart 4396 0 [snd-intel8x0] snd-rawmidi17600 0 [snd-mpu401-uart] snd-seq-device 5832 0 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq snd-rawmidi] snd-page-alloc 7732 0 [snd-intel8x0 snd-pcm] snd40868 0 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-intel8x0 snd-ac97-codec snd-pcm snd-timer snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device] soundcore 6276 0 [snd] ppp_async 9216 0 (unused) ppp_generic24060 0 [ppp_async] slhc6564 0 [ppp_generic] af_packet 14952 0 (autoclean) e100 56964 1 (autoclean) supermount 15296 4 (autoclean) ide-cd 33856 0 cdrom 31648 0 [ide-cd] ide-scsi 11280 0 ehci-hcd 18568 0 (unused) usb-uhci 24652 0 (unused) usbcore72992 1 [ehci-hcd usb-uhci] rtc 8060 0 (autoclean) reiserfs 175120 2 sd_mod 11548 0 (unused) aic7xxx 120860 0 (unused) scsi_mod 91796 4 [sg ide-scsi sd_mod aic7xxx] /sbin/chkconfig --list sound: sound 0:off 1:off 2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off /sbin/chkconfig --list alsa: alsa 0:off 1:off 2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off /sbin/chkconfig --list alsa: vol 100, 100, P pcm 100, 100 speaker 100, 100 line 100, 100, P mic 100, 100, R cd 100, 100, P igain 100, 100 line1 100, 100, P phin 100, 100, P video 100, 100, P /sbin/fuser -v /dev/dsp: USERPID ACCESS COMMAND /dev/dsp skippi 1841 f wavplay Any thoughts?? Thank you very much. Adrian -- On The Fly Photography http://204EastSouth.com -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GAT d-@ s: a C++ UL++ L++(+++) P E- W++ !N o? K- w--- M+ PS+++ PE+++ Y+ PGP t++@ 5+++ X++ R+@ tv-- b++ DI D+ G e+ h+ r y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- On The Fly Photography http://204EastSouth.com -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GAT d-@ s: a C++ UL++ L++(+++) P E- W++ !N o? K- w--- M+ PS+++ PE+++ Y+ PGP t++@ 5+++ X++ R+@ tv-- b++ DI D+ G e+ h+ r y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- On The Fly Photography
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
I would LOVE to be able to do this in OpenOffice. I would LOVE for the document on the screen to appear as it does when I print it out (Lyx gives no indication of what the output will actually look like). LyX and LaTeX not WYSIWYG editors and actually make it a point in their documentation. Except for an occasional business letter using a template, I prefer to not have to worry about how the final page will look. [...] In this area, linux just lacks and cannot work as a dropin replacement for most users. Most users are not going to want to learn Lyx. Have you tried kile? It's still not a replacement for most people, but if you're reasonably proficient with LaTeX it can make editing easier. I've been playing around with it recently and it's similar in idea to something like quanta++. -- The Digital Hermit Unix and Linux Solutions http://www.digitalhermit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
On Sunday 09 Nov 2003 3:57 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 10:41 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Recently I have noticed that my drive is noisy from time to time. It is a 6-month old drive, with an older one as slave. I have unmounted all the partitions on the old drive, but it is still happening, so I have to assume that it is the new drive. Anne, first to be absolutely sure - I think I would unplug the old drive completely from the system. You don't have to remove it, just unplug the P/S. Then see if you still have the noise... I'll do that in the morning. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
On Sunday 09 Nov 2003 5:06 pm, Michael Noble wrote: Anne, Usually when a drive starts to make noise, it is caused by the bearings. I have had drives last for years while making noise. But if this is a new drive (less than a year) you will probably be able to get it replaced. But since you will have to deal with the manufacturer of the drive (which will mean down time) it would probably do best to go out and purchase another drive replace the noisy drive and then get it replaced. Once replaced, you will have a spare drive for future use. The odd thing is, it's for short periods, just a few times a day. Thanks to all for comments/suggestions. This is really bad timing for me, as I have so many commitments over the next few days, but I don't think I should ignore this. I'll fit it all in as best I can. For the copy, I would suggest dd rather than cp. OK - I'll RTFMP g Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 06:22, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:42 am, Jack Coates wrote: Anyone interested in this mess should have a look at this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/33823.html They're trying to increase revenues by preventing use of their desktop offering in the server room. They've chosen a method that cuts off the nose to spite the face, but I still think they'll continue to be quite successful in the Fortune 500 space for inertial reasons. Only thing is, when the Fortune 500 begins to seriously evaluate Linux desktops, they won't be running RH. The question is, once they bring in Mandrake or SuSE or Fedora for the desktops, what's going to stop them from bringing it into the server room too? My take on this is that it is more of a branding issue. Desktops need much more cutting edge, in most cases, than do servers and certainly different types of supported hardware. RH appears to be attempting to fully differentiate its offerings, Fedora on the desktop with more cutting edge releases and by necessity, more buggy software, and the staid, old tried and true Redhat that goes into the server, has paid support and doesn't depend as much on the community. I don't necessarily think that any of this is a bad idea, at least from the perspective of creating an OS that is designed for a specific segment. Where as I don't find fault with having two versions of any distro. I do however find fault with dissing an entire segment of your market/community/contributors just because it's convenient. Which is in many ways what the CEO of Red Hat et al. are doing. If Linux is so lousy on the desktop how come it is that I can use Linux exclusively yet work in a world where all around me are on various forms of other OS's. Basically I interpret what he said as, Thanks to your devotion over the last 8 years we have a solid product, now fsck off and don't bother us anymore. Your work, time and effort we didn't pay for, has been of tremendous value to us and we no longer think you are worth being concerned about. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not alone in this feeling. So to all former RH users Welcome to Mandrake. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
On Sunday 09 November 2003 03:17 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: Basically I interpret what he said as, Thanks to your devotion over the last 8 years we have a solid product, now fsck off and don't bother us anymore. Your work, time and effort we didn't pay for, has been of tremendous value to us and we no longer think you are worth being concerned about. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not alone in this feeling. So to all former RH users Welcome to Mandrake. It is possible that they are doing exactly that. It is also possible that RH is acknowledging what a lot of other people have been slowly coming to realize, including myself, that MS sold the public a bill of goods when they convinced them that with the right OS, they could administer and manage a computer without gaining any real knowledge about what they are doing. Consumers won't get that message from a community effort like Fedora, but they have come to expect it from a commercial software company like RH. For better or worse, and as so many newcomers to Linux point out, people are looking for a replacement for MS Windows that does everything that it promises to do but doesn't just promise to do it but delivers. It is possible that there is some OS that will deliver on that, but I have yet to see it and don't believe that it will ever appear. In point of fact, that is precisely what MS has also been selling enterprises on for even server administration. Shows why a lot of MSCE's are so woefully unprepared to do real troubleshooting and actually fix problems versus the reinstall/reboot crap that MS teaches. And also why so many companies find it now so easy to outsource support to 3rd world locations at low wage rates. How hard is it to teach someone to say reboot and if that doesn't work then reinstall. If RH plans to throw away the desktop market and only sell servers, then they will soon find themselves marginalized in much the same fashion that Sun is currently marginalized to a very niche market. That doesn't really seem the way to expand and grow your business, and I wouldn't expect them to succeed at that either. If, however, they manage to keep enough ties between their server offering and the community sponsored desktop offering to convince companies that they can implement Fedora on the desktop, and RH in the enterprise and still get seamless integration between the two, compatibility and shared knowledge among support staff, then they may be able to actually sell a value proposition that actually delivers what it promises to deliver and not the load of bunk that MS has up to now been selling. I look at it this way. You can pay a higher price and get promises, support and accountability which is worth it for a business by buying RH. You can get the same functionality, but with more accountability placed on you to talk to the community and figure your problems out with Fedora. You get the same software either way, but the free version is only financially free, it requires personal responsibility. The pay version requires less responsibility and more money. Same choices that people have always had with Linux. Only now, they have slapped a different name on each just to make it more clear to the PHB types. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] xtart and a new session
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 10:04, Bill Mullen wrote: On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, bascule wrote: is there a way to get xtart to start a session on another screen, a-la 'startx -- :1' Yes, by using Hans Updyke's modified Xtart script, myXtart: http://www.dimensional.com/~hansup/linux/xtart/ Or go here for a full explanation http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/multiple-x.html but startx -- :1 will start a second session on f8 then startx -- :2 would start on on 9 (only if one exists on f8 btw) The limit AFAIK is 6 X sessions (f7 - f12) mainly because of keys. James It works just like the regular Xtart, but it will determine the next available display automatically, and launch your session on that. Hans is a regular contributor to the alt.os.linux.mandrake newsgroup. HTH! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
On September 1993 plus 3721 days Praedor Atrebates wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well, I gotta say that Redhat does have a point. I do think that linux is not yet ready for the everyday desktop user except for Lindows - for a relatively small subpopulation. I have to disagree with you...my mom's first computer was a linux box I gave her for xmas 4 years ago...she has no problem using it. My 3yo nephew has been using linux for about a year (ok, he's precocious, but it had to happen, seeing as he comes to visit at least every 3rd day and there's computers everywhere in my house) and has never had a problem, except that I have to make sure only his login has the frog icon on it, because I think that's how he recognizes his name on the computer. Hell, my sister uses linux whenever she comes visit with my nephew, because there's nothing but linux in this house and in my parents' house. Can my mom, sister and nephew install and configure linux on their own? of course not...but they can't install and configure any other OS either. I install and configure linux for them, as well as do admin chores (updating and so on) for them remotely...just like any admin does for any user. So, my experience tells me...hell yes, linux is ready for the desktop of the mortal, as long as it's pre-installed, either by the HW company they get their computer from or by the friendly family geek. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[expert] 9.2 and Gramofile
I am getting back to trying to record some tapes to mp3, and I am finding that Gramofile is being weird. Basically, when I choose the output file, and start recording, I get a blank screen. I am not sure if I am going to get a recording, but I sure have no recording screen. Has anybody else seen this problem? -- Linux: For the people, by the people. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Problems grabbing Standard Audio Input (was 9.2 and Gramofile)
So I hunted around, and found that a program had crashed, leaving /dev/dsp occupied, so I killed it off, and tried again. Now Gramofile acts like it should, giving me the recording screen. But still, I have some sort of problem with picking up the standard input with anything: gramofile, Audacity, Rezound. It seems like maybe a reboot is in order, but I would rather not, for the obvious uptime reason. Rob -- Linux: For the people, by the people. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] xtart and a new session
On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:22 am, bascule wrote: is there a way to get xtart to start a session on another screen, a-la 'startx -- :1' bascule Edit /etc/X11/xdm/xservers change at the bottom from this: :0 local /bin/nice -n -10 /usr/X11R6/bin/X -deferglyphs 16 to this: :0 local /bin/nice -n -10 /usr/X11R6/bin/X -deferglyphs 16 :1 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 vt8 :2 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :2 vt9 :3 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :3 vt10 :4 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :4 vt11 :5 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :5 vt12 then restart X after that there will be a menu option of Start New Session It will open a new session to switch back alt-f7 as you can see alt-f8 to f-12 can be new sessions Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
Yes, I know lyx is not WYSIWYG and that it is advertised as the ridiculous WYSIWYM (what you see is what you mean). In point of fact, it is the result of being stuck working with Latex via a GUI. It does a lot to remove the need of learning an entire programing language (LaTex) just to produce documents. That said, I merely lament the fact that I am forced to use Lyx, with all its difficulty, because there is nothing else like it in the linux world. There is NOTHING like Word/Wordperfect + EndNote in linux - Lyx contains it all in one package but you give up WYSIWYG and the ease that comes with that. I wrote my dissertation and other publications using Lyx. It works well but it is a royal pain in the ass to get it to do what you want. It truly is a weakness to not have any real idea about what your document will look like until you either actually print it, or repeatedly generate previews with each alteration/tweak. I am pleased that OpenOffice is working on this but it is still some time off. Until it is actually in the code, one is stuck with Lyx/Latex. Ugh. I am not proficient in Latex. I don't have the time nor the interest in learning a programming lanquage just to publish scientific results. I spend all day collecting data. I simply cannot (nor can my colleagues) spend the time needed to learn the intricacies of Latex. This is unrealistic. Word/Wordperfect/OpenOffice + EndNote removes the need for this on Windoze and the Mac. One day the equivalent functionality will be there for linux and future linux users. On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:42 pm, Kwan Lowe wrote: I would LOVE to be able to do this in OpenOffice. I would LOVE for the document on the screen to appear as it does when I print it out (Lyx gives no indication of what the output will actually look like). LyX and LaTeX not WYSIWYG editors and actually make it a point in their documentation. Except for an occasional business letter using a template, I prefer to not have to worry about how the final page will look. [...] In this area, linux just lacks and cannot work as a dropin replacement for most users. Most users are not going to want to learn Lyx. Have you tried kile? It's still not a replacement for most people, but if you're reasonably proficient with LaTeX it can make editing easier. I've been playing around with it recently and it's similar in idea to something like quanta++. -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. --Krakauer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
Fine. Do they all have root password available so they can do updates, reconfigure, build and install? These are things that are essentially handfed to windoze users. You click on an install button and app X is installed. Done. On linux this requires root. Simple enough if you are used to this but it is just another layer of complexity if you are a doze user. Sure, this admin is everyone thing is one of the primary weaknesses of doze wrt viruses, worms, and hackers, but it is easier to work with. My father can install a CD in his doze computer and click Install without problem. There would be problems if I had to walk him through setting up a root password (and remember it!), then a user password (remember it!). OK dad, setup your wireless connection. On doze this is trivial. On linux it is a frickin pain in the ass (I do it, after a modicum of hair pulling but then I know what I'm doing). You download your tarball, untar it, read the readme and install files. HOPEFULLY you will simply need to do a ./configure make make install (as root) and the driver will be ready. Now you just have to either mess with ugly commands via iwpriv or ifconfig. Depends on your device. OK, now setup spam filtering. Hah! Joe Blow can't handle it. WE can because we have generally been doing this for some time AND we have the time and inclination to learn all of this. Add in procmail (and the need to setup postfix or similar. Whew! Complexity beyond anything people mess with in doze). Yes, linux is great and powerful. I love it. But I would never ever be able to get my father, mother, wife to deal with all this. And ya know, you just can't always be there to deal with other people's computers all the time. My father doesn't live next door, he lives next state over. Unless Joe/Jane Blow user has an expert somewhere, they are not equipped to deal with linux. It's just that simple. And again, how do you explain to them that they'll just have to give up the cool games if they go linux? They LOVE the games afterall. OK, just reboot to winders. Well, why not just STAY in winders so you don't have to deal with the rebooting all the time? I merely think that for MOST people at home, linux is not there yet. For people at work or at schools where there are admins to deal with all the complexity of configuring and handling software install, it is perfectly fine, but for most at home? Nope. Not yet. On Sunday 09 November 2003 11:48 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 11:02, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:24 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Well, I gotta say that Redhat does have a point. I do think that linux is not yet ready for the everyday desktop user except for Lindows - for a relatively small subpopulation. Hmm, I disagree. My 10 and 12 year old (not to mention my wife) use Mandrake here with very few problems. Sure, my wife uses it almost exclusively for e-mail and web-browsing, but thats what the Windoze majority does anyways, right? and the boys use it mostly for games...again, following the norm. Most Windows users run to a local Windog guru when they have problems anyways, and thats what my crowd here does - run to me. So whats the diff? :-) I've noticed the exact same thing, DL. In fact a young person I know recently told me that he could install and run Mandrake without trouble, yet couldn't seem to get winblowz to operate as easily, and deferred to a local shop for assistance in getting his winblowz to work correctly. LX -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. --Krakauer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] [OT] Publishing text (was: (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?)
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 06:36:23PM -0500, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Content-Description: clearsigned data [...] There is NOTHING like Word/Wordperfect + EndNote in linux - Lyx contains it all in one package but you give up WYSIWYG and the ease that comes with that. Well, on the other hand: Word is *nowhere* near in matching the print-out quality of LaTeX - and neither is OOo. Does Wordperfect match it? So far, the only WYSIWYG program able to match LaTeX for sheer quality of print-out (that I have seen) was Framemaker, and that's an entirely different league (pricewise, for starters...). Also, you don't need to know much to write a good LaTeX document - that's the beauty of it. LaTeX takes care of most things and you concentrate on typing as opposed to doing layout. That's how I did it with my scripture and reports - all written in LaTeX (XEmacs rules...). Word would have forced me to put a lot more effort in layout (still does) - and I hate it for that. Never mind about the old change your printer - reformat your document problem... Cheerio, Thomas -- - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 11:42:04PM -0800, Jack Coates wrote: [...] RH is trying to build two truly separate distributions, a server and a desktop, with different source trees, different package revisions, different config tools... [...] Errr... While I don't like the direction RH is going (which is why I'm here after having used RH for six years), I do wonder where you got that impression. There's nothing explicitly desktop about Fedora - quite the contrary. RH is going to base its business offerings (at least in part) on Fedora, which makes Fedora a test bed, also for their server offerings. Try it in Fedora, merge it into the Enterprise line later, when it's matured - that seems to be the idea. Even now, there's talk on redhat-list and fedora-list going on about people wanting to use Fedora on servers. The programs are still there. Even the Server Install option is still there. Hence, I'd be curious to know how you came to this conclusion. Cheerio, Thomas -- - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 and Gramofile
On Sunday 09 November 2003 2:04 pm, Rob Blomquist wrote: I am getting back to trying to record some tapes to mp3, and I am finding that Gramofile is being weird. Basically, when I choose the output file, and start recording, I get a blank screen. I am not sure if I am going to get a recording, but I sure have no recording screen. And yes, no recording occurs. Rob -- Linux: For the people, by the people. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:49:57 -0500, Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fine. I'm not disagreeing. But I have a couple observations. Now that Christmas ads are in full force, I noticed there is no reason for me to look at the software ads. Pre-linux I was always buying something, getting an upgrade to something. And that required more memory, more disk, more cpu. With Linux, everything I could want I installed when I installed the OS, or shortly thereafter. With windows I was always installing something. Now, I don't install stuff often. Maybe I do disagree just a little bit ;-), as in True, but. . . When I have installed, for most products I could install through MCC. That's easier than InstallShield. For most others I've needed, there was a mandrake RPM. My point is, a pc-illiterate user (I don't think) will need an application that's only available in a tarball. I have two pc's and a firewall pc, and since getting rid of windows my TCO has gone down - not only because of licensing fees but also my time. My kids are able to use linux without help from me (use, not administer) whereas with windows there were frequent corruption problems that I would have to resolve. Caused, in part, by them downloading screen savers, demos, games, malware, spyware, etc. This seems to be similar to Ronald's experience. just my .02 Phil Do they all have root password available so they can do updates, reconfigure, build and install? These are things that are essentially handfed to windoze users. You click on an install button and app X is installed. Done. On linux this requires root. Simple enough if you are used to this but it is just another layer of complexity if you are a doze user. Sure, this admin is everyone thing is one of the primary weaknesses of doze wrt viruses, worms, and hackers, but it is easier to work with. My father can install a CD in his doze computer and click Install without problem. There would be problems if I had to walk him through setting up a root password (and remember it!), then a user password (remember it!). OK dad, setup your wireless connection. On doze this is trivial. On linux it is a frickin pain in the ass (I do it, after a modicum of hair pulling but then I know what I'm doing). You download your tarball, untar it, read the readme and install files. HOPEFULLY you will simply need to do a ./configure make make install (as root) and the driver will be ready. Now you just have to either mess with ugly commands via iwpriv or ifconfig. Depends on your device. OK, now setup spam filtering. Hah! Joe Blow can't handle it. WE can because we have generally been doing this for some time AND we have the time and inclination to learn all of this. Add in procmail (and the need to setup postfix or similar. Whew! Complexity beyond anything people mess with in doze). Yes, linux is great and powerful. I love it. But I would never ever be able to get my father, mother, wife to deal with all this. And ya know, you just can't always be there to deal with other people's computers all the time. My father doesn't live next door, he lives next state over. Unless Joe/Jane Blow user has an expert somewhere, they are not equipped to deal with linux. It's just that simple. And again, how do you explain to them that they'll just have to give up the cool games if they go linux? They LOVE the games afterall. OK, just reboot to winders. Well, why not just STAY in winders so you don't have to deal with the rebooting all the time? I merely think that for MOST people at home, linux is not there yet. For people at work or at schools where there are admins to deal with all the complexity of configuring and handling software install, it is perfectly fine, but for most at home? Nope. Not yet. On Sunday 09 November 2003 11:48 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 11:02, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:24 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Well, I gotta say that Redhat does have a point. I do think that linux is not yet ready for the everyday desktop user except for Lindows - for a relatively small subpopulation. Hmm, I disagree. My 10 and 12 year old (not to mention my wife) use Mandrake here with very few problems. Sure, my wife uses it almost exclusively for e-mail and web-browsing, but thats what the Windoze majority does anyways, right? and the boys use it mostly for games...again, following the norm. Most Windows users run to a local Windog guru when they have problems anyways, and thats what my crowd here does - run to me. So whats the diff? :-) I've noticed the exact same thing, DL. In fact a young person I know recently told me that he could install and run Mandrake without trouble, yet couldn't seem to get winblowz to operate as easily, and deferred to a local shop for assistance in getting his winblowz to work correctly. LX -- Using Mandrake Linux 9.1
Re: [expert] [OT] Publishing text (was: (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I don't know what this means. I write a paragraph in OO, in Lyx, and in Abiword. Same paragraph. I then print it. It looks identical regardless of what I used to generate it. The text is whatever quality the printer can produce. There is nothing magic about latex/lyx output to printer. Text is text is text. Times New Roman is Times New Roman no matter what wordprocessor is used. Arial is arial is arial. A printer can only produce what it is designed for and no better. In what way can Latex/Lyx somehow make a printer work better than any other app/tool? There is no difference in text quality and formatting between Lyx and Kwrite for that matter. As the subject has OT in it, I wont worry about the OT nature of this but... Writing my dissertation I had a couple very strict options with how to deal with figures. I could produce all my figures and legends and add them all to the end of the document or I could include them within the body by either providing them their own individual pages immediately after the first page from which the figure was first referred to. In something like Word, wordperfect, OO, Abiword, etc, I KNOW where page breaks are and will be. What you see is exactly what you get. The first word on any page is what it is on the screen. The last word on a page is the same last word seen on the screen. In lyx there is no indication of where page breaks will be. You don't know until you either print it or do a preview (which is the same as printing it, time-wise, but just stops one step prior to actually sending to printer). This is HELL when you are trying to add graphics the page after the first reference in the text. All you can do is do a preview, look at the page where the figure is referenced, see which paragraph ends the page, and perhaps where in a paragraph the page ends. You then insert a special character (a page break) in the screen view at the APPARENT correct location in the text onscreen. Silly you, you thought this would work. It SEEMS reasonable. It doesn't work. What you get is the graphic does appear on its own page and it occurs after the word you wanted but you find that by entering a page break at that location, you altered the formatting of the paragraph. You were using right justification but now the word that was at the end of the page originally is no longer right justified as it was. There is room there now for another word, or perhaps a part of a hyphenated word. To get the end of the page and paragraph to be properly right justified you either have to experiment with hyphenated variants of the next word in the sentence OR you have to start experimenting with entering protected blanks (you have to do a LOT of this) to finally get the final output text to be properly formatted. The problem exists for inline graphics too. Say you use inline graphics in your text, but to do so you have to have at least 1/2 the text below the graphic. You have to do preview after preview, tweaking the position of the graphic again and again until it is placed just right on the final output. There is no indication onscreen that you are doing OK. Many words are not properly hyphenated in lyx. All too often you have set your right margin to be just right. For my dissertation it was a hard, fast 1 inch. No less. No more. I generate the document and it looks OK, but I goofed and didn't go over every single page with my careful eye. It turns out that on several pages scattered throughout the document, lyx and latex screwed up and didn't hyphenate a long word...and let it blow right through your hard, fast 1 inch margins. You have to manually go in after the fact and instruct lyx/latex how to hyphenate those words. And DNA sequences? In every case, unless you provide a cryptic latex command in the document preamble, Lyx/latex will blow the sequence well past your margin. You NEVER run into these problems in a normal WYSIWYG wordprocessor. Never. Because what you see on the screen is exactly what comes out of the printer. No suprises. Lyx is powerful. If you know programming languages, and latex happens to be one of them, then Latex/Lyx is fine. You will be able to add cryptic commands to the preamble and in the document (insert latex) without problem. But UGH!I use it because I HAVE to use it (thus far). The instant an alternative comes along, like OO with proper bibliography handling capabilities, I will drop lyx and latex like a ball of plutonium. praedor On Sunday 09 November 2003 07:18 pm, T. Ribbrock wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 06:36:23PM -0500, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Content-Description: clearsigned data [...] There is NOTHING like Word/Wordperfect + EndNote in linux - Lyx contains it all in one package but you give up WYSIWYG and the ease that comes with that. Well, on the other hand: Word is *nowhere*
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 15:49, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Fine. Do they all have root password available so they can do updates, reconfigure, build and install? These are things that are essentially handfed to windoze users. You click on an install button and app X is installed. Done. On linux this requires root. Simple enough if you are used to this but it is just another layer of complexity if you are a doze user. Sure, this admin is everyone thing is one of the primary weaknesses of doze wrt viruses, worms, and hackers, but it is easier to work with. My father can install a CD in his doze computer and click Install without problem. There would be problems if I had to walk him through setting up a root password (and remember it!), then a user password (remember it!). OK dad, setup your wireless connection. On doze this is trivial. depends on your box. On this one it won't work with doze. Does with Linux. I've gone both ways over the last 6 months. On linux it is a frickin pain in the ass (I do it, after a modicum of hair pulling but then I know what I'm doing). You download your tarball, untar it, read the readme and install files. HOPEFULLY you will simply need to do a ./configure make make install (as root) and the driver will be ready. Now you just have to either mess with ugly commands via iwpriv or ifconfig. Depends on your device. And short of the compile in doze it's buy a card. Find out that the chipset and the driver on the disk don't match. Download a new driver find out it's incompatible with your laptop. Drive to Fry's exchange and start all over. Took 3 trips to Fry's for a business partner of mine to get a working wireless in his new Dell. (and 4 calls to Dell) On my laptop it flat won't work with doze. On linux I've had 6 different cards work the same way. Plug them in. They work. (mostly ones I borrowed from friends.) OK, now setup spam filtering. Hah! Joe Blow can't handle it. WE can because we have generally been doing this for some time AND we have the time and inclination to learn all of this. Add in procmail (and the need to setup postfix or similar. Whew! Complexity beyond anything people mess with in doze). Yes, linux is great and powerful. I love it. But I would never ever be able to get my father, mother, wife to deal with all this. And ya know, you just can't always be there to deal with other people's computers all the time. My father doesn't live next door, he lives next state over. Which is why it should be on the MTA not on the box. Unless Joe/Jane Blow user has an expert somewhere, they are not equipped to deal with linux. It's just that simple. And again, how do you explain to them that they'll just have to give up the cool games if they go linux? They LOVE the games afterall. OK, just reboot to winders. Well, why not just STAY in winders so you don't have to deal with the rebooting all the time? My Mom is on Unix (70 next may) my sister and my 3 year old... just to give you the other side of the coin. (My wife won't try it. or rather doesn't know she's using it. *grin*) I merely think that for MOST people at home, linux is not there yet. For people at work or at schools where there are admins to deal with all the complexity of configuring and handling software install, it is perfectly fine, but for most at home? Nope. Not yet. The number one problem I've found with Linux is that the people advocating it (And lord knows I'm as guilty as anyone) shows people way to much. Second advantage it's already installed. This is an advantage that cannot be matched with Linux. Since rarely if ever does it come both pre-installed and working right. (Note both conditions.) I just spent 3 days working with a guy setting up filters in outlook. Thank god I use evolution, since they are so similar. 2 days on the phone, the third I said the heck with it drove to his house and we did it face to face. His XP box had been setup right. both a user and an admin (not running all the time as root like most boxes.) As for spam filtering. Can't find one that works right in windows. Just flat not fine grained enough or easy enough for someone like my wife to use/install. Some things are admin tasks and need to remain that way. No matter what OS. On Sunday 09 November 2003 11:48 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 11:02, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:24 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Well, I gotta say that Redhat does have a point. I do think that linux is not yet ready for the everyday desktop user except for Lindows - for a relatively small subpopulation. Hmm, I disagree. My 10 and 12 year old (not to mention my wife) use Mandrake here with very few problems. Sure, my wife uses it almost exclusively for e-mail and web-browsing, but thats what the Windoze majority does anyways,
[expert] /etc/hosts and dns
I have a laptop that connects to my office e-mail server as an IMAP client. Sometimes I am outside the firewall, and in this case, I can connect to the server using the server's fqdn. When I am inside the firewall, I can connect to the server by making an entry in my /etc/hosts file for it that aliases it's private ip to it's netbios name (it is an Exchange 5.5 server). In order to connect, I simply change the servername in kmail depending on where I am. So now my question, is there any way to set up my hosts/resolv.conf/tmdns to look for the server in the local network first and if it cannot find it to look it up in the DNS so that I don't have to constantly change the setup in kmail? Since the local addressing scheme in place at my company is quite unique I would even be open to doing something like having a script called in rc.local check to see what the network ip block of the local network is and writing out a hosts file that would have an entry for the server if I am on the right network, although I have no idea how to actually implement that. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
