[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: It underlines the point that enlightenment gives you wisdom. The story I was referring to was when Trotaka revealed his enlightenment to the others. Shankara was insisting that they all wait for him [Trotaka] and the others snickered that he didn't understand it anyway. He came in singing his cognized ? Trotaka stakham sp? verses revealing his complete knowledge. Which, coincidentally, just happened to be a sappy love song to his teacher, expressing his total devotion to him. THAT is what Maha- rishi was trying to put forth as the primary criterion of enlightenment. I memorized them on my TTC, it is a beautiful song. This is from a TTC tape on him. His wisdom came from his enlightenment and he put all the smartypants guys to shame. And his enlightenment came from being slavishly devoted to his master and willing to do any- thing that this master said, without a moment's hesitation. Notice the trend here? His verses were so perfect that it blew them away with his mental ability gained not through pulling all-nighters, but by his devotion and enlightenment. And the lesson being clearly taught here was that the latter (enlightenment) came from the former (devotion). Trotaka didn't have to crack the books to get smart, all he had to do was do whatever he was told to do by his master. I'm just reiterating the point I made earlier, that Maharishi was trying to cultivate that sense of devotion to one's master that *he* considered the highest in his students by telling emotional feel good stories. This story is NOT about Trotaka's intellect; the intellect is presented as *secondary*, some- thing that happened *as the result* of total, unthinking bhakti. In fact, the development of the intellect in the other students is what is being presented as secondary. They are being presented not as happening as Trotaka because they were not as sold out to their master as he was. I'm not saying that this theory of enlighten- ment through devotion is unique, nor am I sug- gesting that it's not valid for some people, who are made that way. What I am suggesting is that Maharishi, by telling this story over and over and over, was trying to establish it as *the* path for people who might NOT be made that way. In my estimation he clearly saw total, unthinking devotion to one's master AS the highest path, because *he* was made that way, and he wanted to remake all of his students over to be like him. I am gracious enough to believe that in the beginning he did this because he really thought that *his* path -- the only one he was capable of because *he* was not a great intellect or drawn to any of the other many viable paths to enlightenment -- was the best path to teach others, for their own good. But at the same time, I think it is important to remember that the master that Maharishi was teaching his students the value of being slavishly devoted to was HIM. I believe that on one level Maharishi may have been trying to convince his students that bhakti and slavish devotion were good things because in his opinion they could lead to enlightenment. But on another, I equally believe that he was trying to establish that same unthinking devotion towards HIM in his students that he was talking about in Trotaka. Forty years later, the unthinking devotion is all that remains, with nary an example of it having led to enlightenment in sight. (Or at least not as recognized by Maharishi or the organization he founded.)
[FairfieldLife] New siddhis -- leaning and the displaced head
Curtis is going to love this. These are clips of a Japanese illusionist who is young, but whose schtick is dressing up like an old man and doing his thing in public places, as street theater. Pretty astounding illusions...I really don't understand how he does the leaning thing. There are two clips in this WMV, both from Japanese TV. Watch to the end to see the displaced head siddhi. http://images2.jokaroo.net/videos/grandpajapan.wmv
[FairfieldLife] Where do our assumptions come from? (was Re: abandoning thought)
I think it is worth posting a clarification of the point that I'm trying to make below, because chances are it will be characterized as Maharishi bashing. It is not; it is about a broader subject -- where do the assumptions that we make when judging or evaluating a spiritual teacher or his/her spiritual path *come from*? I have found in my spiritual travels since my TM days that a great number of seekers attempt to evaluate their current or former paths *using assumptions that were taught to them BY that path*. For example, in the rap below, many people may react to what I say as if I'm being heretical. They'll think, *Of course* bhakti and unswerving devotion to one's spiritual 'master' are a path to enlightenment. But *why* do they believe that, and where does that belief *come from*? As another example, I hear former Rama - Frederick Lenz students periodically saying that the most important criterion of an enlightened being is that the person has to be able to emanate golden light, such that a room full of people can all see it clearly. They use this as a guideline or template when judging any new teacher they meet, to evaluate whether the person is enlightened or not, and they use it to justify their belief that Rama was enlightened. But they *never* seem to notice where this definition *came from*. It came from Rama, who had mastered the minor siddhi (IMO) of emanating golden light. Him pro- posing it as one of the defining characteristics of or criteria for enlightenment is on the same level of validity as Barry Bonds saying that the defining char- acteristic of enlightenment is the ability to hit 756 home runs in a lifetime. I am *not* suggesting to TMers that they question all that they hold holy. I am merely suggesting that if they wish to preserve the impression in others that they are being intellectually rigorous, they should look into *where* the assumptions that underlie their logical arg- uments on this forum *come from*. When they attempt to justify their belief in Maharishi and his teachings using baseline assumptions *that were taught to them by Maharishi*, and assuming these things as a given, then something smells a little fishy to those of us who actually remember where the underlying assumptions in question *came from*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It underlines the point that enlightenment gives you wisdom. The story I was referring to was when Trotaka revealed his enlightenment to the others. Shankara was insisting that they all wait for him [Trotaka] and the others snickered that he didn't understand it anyway. He came in singing his cognized ? Trotaka stakham sp? verses revealing his complete knowledge. Which, coincidentally, just happened to be a sappy love song to his teacher, expressing his total devotion to him. THAT is what Maha- rishi was trying to put forth as the primary criterion of enlightenment. I memorized them on my TTC, it is a beautiful song. This is from a TTC tape on him. His wisdom came from his enlightenment and he put all the smartypants guys to shame. And his enlightenment came from being slavishly devoted to his master and willing to do any- thing that this master said, without a moment's hesitation. Notice the trend here? His verses were so perfect that it blew them away with his mental ability gained not through pulling all-nighters, but by his devotion and enlightenment. And the lesson being clearly taught here was that the latter (enlightenment) came from the former (devotion). Trotaka didn't have to crack the books to get smart, all he had to do was do whatever he was told to do by his master. I'm just reiterating the point I made earlier, that Maharishi was trying to cultivate that sense of devotion to one's master that *he* considered the highest in his students by telling emotional feel good stories. This story is NOT about Trotaka's intellect; the intellect is presented as *secondary*, some- thing that happened *as the result* of total, unthinking bhakti. In fact, the development of the intellect in the other students is what is being presented as secondary. They are being presented not as happening as Trotaka because they were not as sold out to their master as he was. I'm not saying that this theory of enlighten- ment through devotion is unique, nor am I sug- gesting that it's not valid for some people, who are made that way. What I am suggesting is that Maharishi, by telling this story over and over and over, was trying to establish it as *the* path for people who might NOT be made that way. In my estimation he clearly saw total, unthinking devotion to one's master AS the highest path, because *he* was made that way, and he wanted to remake all of his students over to be like him. I am gracious
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought
On Jan 14, 2009, at 11:28 PM, sparaig wrote: Doesn't sound at all like the Shamatha Project, but instead a gift from a friend in the early 70's. Whether it had anything to do with his research at that time or not, I have no clue. You seem to fail to understand my point: I'll make it clear: someone who practices Buddhism, studies Buddhism: gives their friends special presents of Buddhist retreats, is consulted with on how to phrase questions ABOUT Buddhism when talking to the Dali Lama, is hardly someone outside the tradition, regardless of whether or not they have a Jewish last name. But someone who studies Buddhism does not necessarily practice Buddha- dharma. Maybe he's lying and they lied about there being no Buddhist researchers on the team, but I've seen no real evidence of that, your posturings aside. It would be hard for someone who has spent years researching advanced yogis not to have some interest in how they got that way. These are extraordinary people we're dealing with. In fact I would hope they did have a good grasp of the subject matter, along with the as many of the numerous techniques and styles of meditation that are out there. Otherwise how could they be an expert in their field? There are many scholars of Buddhism who have no interest in practicing Buddhism, but simply researching it. Quite a few are Christians. No surprise here--although some interesting finds I hadn't seen--thanks Lawson. Are you suggesting this guy isn't a practicing Buddhist, regardless of whether or not he goes to Synagogue (or the Uni-Uni Church for that matter)? I haven't followed him around or spied on him, but it has been said (in regards to the Shamatha Project specifically) he is not a Buddhist, so I take that to mean he does not practice buddha-dharma. It wouldn't matter so much to me if he did, simply because I believe Dr. Saron has integrity. But I suspect he just has a deep interest based on meeting some truly extraordinary people.
[FairfieldLife] Connecting with Guru Dev (was 'abandoning thought')
Interesting to note that apparently Maharishi was utterly convinced that one can receive benefit from the enlightened, even after their death, which to some extent accounts for his claim that he was guided by Guru Dev:- Now after leaving the body nothing remains in the Relative, just Absolute. Then how do we invoke and to whom? And if nobody is to be invoked, then what is the use? Some such similar question I asked Guru Dev once, what happened was naturally people come to the ashram from all over india to pay respects to Guru Dev, once or twice a year according to their own convenience. And when they would come they would narrate all sorts of stories, the child was sick or they had a law suit, all sorts of difficulties and then thinking of Guru Dev, that thing disappeared. And hearing all these things for a long time, one night I asked Guru Dev 'What is this?' These people don't even write to Guru Dev, Guru Dev doesn't know they are in difficulty on the surface of life and then how do they report they had a vision or some thought of Guru Dev and then from that time everything started to be smooth? If they wrote a letter and the difficulties came to the notice of Guru Dev and then they got out of their difficulty, I could understand it, but they don't write letters. they just have the devotion to Guru Dev and they have some thought of Guru Dev, And Guru Dev reply was 'It's the department of the Almighty and he does it' continued at:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/MMY.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It underlines the point that enlightenment gives you wisdom. The story I was referring to was when Trotaka revealed his enlightenment to the others. Shankara was insisting that they all wait for him [Trotaka] and the others snickered that he didn't understand it anyway. He came in singing his cognized ? Trotaka stakham sp? verses revealing his complete knowledge. Which, coincidentally, just happened to be a sappy love song to his teacher, expressing his total devotion to him. THAT is what Maha- rishi was trying to put forth as the primary criterion of enlightenment. I memorized them on my TTC, it is a beautiful song. This is from a TTC tape on him. His wisdom came from his enlightenment and he put all the smartypants guys to shame. And his enlightenment came from being slavishly devoted to his master and willing to do any- thing that this master said, without a moment's hesitation. Notice the trend here? His verses were so perfect that it blew them away with his mental ability gained not through pulling all-nighters, but by his devotion and enlightenment. And the lesson being clearly taught here was that the latter (enlightenment) came from the former (devotion). Trotaka didn't have to crack the books to get smart, all he had to do was do whatever he was told to do by his master. I'm just reiterating the point I made earlier, that Maharishi was trying to cultivate that sense of devotion to one's master that *he* considered the highest in his students by telling emotional feel good stories. This story is NOT about Trotaka's intellect; the intellect is presented as *secondary*, some- thing that happened *as the result* of total, unthinking bhakti. In fact, the development of the intellect in the other students is what is being presented as secondary. They are being presented not as happening as Trotaka because they were not as sold out to their master as he was. I'm not saying that this theory of enlighten- ment through devotion is unique, nor am I sug- gesting that it's not valid for some people, who are made that way. What I am suggesting is that Maharishi, by telling this story over and over and over, was trying to establish it as *the* path for people who might NOT be made that way. In my estimation he clearly saw total, unthinking devotion to one's master AS the highest path, because *he* was made that way, and he wanted to remake all of his students over to be like him. I am gracious enough to believe that in the beginning he did this because he really thought that *his* path -- the only one he was capable of because *he* was not a great intellect or drawn to any of the other many viable paths to enlightenment -- was the best path to teach others, for their own good. But at the same time, I think it is important to remember that the master that Maharishi was teaching his students the value of being slavishly devoted to was HIM. I believe that on one level Maharishi may have been trying to convince his students that bhakti and slavish devotion were good things because in his opinion they could lead to enlightenment. But on another, I equally believe that he was trying to establish that same unthinking
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought
On Jan 14, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: We have no idea as to whether TM successfully produces enlightenment or unity consciousness. Rick says there are dozens of Fairfielders claiming to be enlightened. Some post here. All either did TM for years, or still do. Having only listened to the FF enlightened over the phone or via email I thought it would be interesting if there was someone who would infiltrate the Wednesday Night Satsang, a weekly gathering of the enlightened you refer to. So I had a friend with deep personal experience with actual enlightenment and a certain amount of realization themselves go to the satsang and observe, gauge and report back on their findings based on their own considerable experience. Their conclusion? Some were able to be in the present, that is some of them had gained some basic awareness. That's all. Otherwise they were superficially compassionate but seemingly nice people, but largely ego-bound. The ability to be 'in the present' was then combined with language popular among Neoadvaita teachers and of course, self-fulfilling prophecies of what MMY talked about. The person was little impressed. There was a lot of one upmanship, my enlightenment trumps your enlightenment going on. Much unsolicited advice from well-meaning enlightened. Negative emotions were really no different from the rank and file. Vindictiveness was sometimes present. Personally I was impressed with one gentleman, owner of a successful local business, but his realization stemmed from his childhood, i.e. a pre-existing condition.
[FairfieldLife] WHAT IF?
WHAT IF THERE WERE A DRUG THAT: * Activated the part of the brain that scientists now associate with a person having subjective experiences of a spiritual nature? * Activated the part of the brain that causes us to see everything around us in terms of Unity (as described so well by the female brain scientist who had a stroke)? * Chemically provided the subjective experience that you were somehow witnessing your own thoughts and actions, or were experiencing something you couldn't describe but felt to be transcendent at all times? * Chemically provided the subjective experience that you were in tune with nature or with the will of God? * Chemically provided the subjective experience that you know things, and that each of these things that you know, whether as a result of intuition or 'seeing' or just opinion, were Absolute Truth, without any possi- bility of being false? * Chemically provided the subjective feeling that being in your very presence was beneficial to other people, and that you were somehow influencing them positively just by being around them? What if someone slipped you such a drug without you knowing it and it produced all of the experiences listed above. Would you be able to distinguish what you were experiencing from what you consider real enlightenment? AND, JUST FOR FUN, WHAT IF: * *Every* experience of enlightenment in human history, no matter what the path taken to achieve it, were nothing more (or less) than these same parts of the brain being activated and subjective experiences being provided chemically to the brain? (In other words, it is a *purely* chemical experience, and has nothing to do with anything spiritual at all.) * Enlightenment were nothing more *than* these chemical changes in the brain and how we perceive them subjectively? * ALL of the dogma and mythology that has built up around enlightenment and the characteristics of the enlightened over the centuries was just people trying to come up with some story to account for a purely chemical experience? It's just a what if question, posted to see who can have fun with it, and who it drives up the wall. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Having only listened to the FF enlightened over the phone or via email I thought it would be interesting if there was someone who would infiltrate the Wednesday Night Satsang, a weekly gathering of the enlightened you refer to. So I had a friend with deep personal experience with actual enlightenment and a certain amount of realization themselves go to the satsang and observe, gauge and report back on their findings based on their own considerable experience. Their conclusion? Some were able to be in the present, that is some of them had gained some basic awareness. That's all. Otherwise they were superficially compassionate but seemingly nice people, but largely ego-bound. The ability to be 'in the present' was then combined with language popular among Neoadvaita teachers and of course, self-fulfilling prophecies of what MMY talked about. The person was little impressed. There was a lot of one upmanship, my enlightenment trumps your enlightenment going on. Much unsolicited advice from well-meaning enlightened. Negative emotions were really no different from the rank and file. Vindictiveness was sometimes present. Vaj, I'm not going to get sucked into the game of analyzing a group of people I've never met and judging their claimed enlightenment. But I will provide another story to show that this What some people consider enlightenment may not be what other people consider enlightenment thang is NOT limited to the TM movement. On another forum, someone who had once studied with the Rama guy talked about his experiences studying for a short time with one of Rama's former students, who is now marketing himself as fully enlightened. What he described was someone who had mastered the same emanating golden light minor siddhi that Rama had, and who could broadcast enough (in his opinion) minor shakti to give people sitting in the same room with him a buzz. But how did this person run his organization, and present himself and his teachings to the public? *Exactly* the same way that Rama did. That is: * He requires absolute obedience from all of his accepted students, and throws them out if they ever fail to do what he tells them to do. * He has a sizeable security team to protect him from perceived threats and personal attacks. ( This is a teacher so minor that his follow- ing consists of a few dozen students and that no one has ever heard of. Who is going to be threat- ening him or wishing him harm? At least Rama had actually received a real death threat once. :-) * *Just like his mentor*, this guy suggests that all of his students be celibate, but with the exception that all of the women students are expected to sleep with him if he wants them to. And yet, a few dozen people have actually accepted this guy as enlightened, for no other reason than that he can produce a little flashy golden light and they feel a buzz when they meditate with him. I'm presenting this as an example of how standards vary greatly when it comes to judging enlightenment and whether someone has realized it. I think that we see these different standards on this forum. Some, like yourself, have fairly high standards based on what you have been taught and what you have chosen to believe. Others have fairly low standards, and tend to believe that someone is enlightened if they merely claim it. Again, what this all comes back to for me is the situation created by an organization that refuses to ever certify enlightenment, and allows it to remain a kind of hazily-defined, ever-changing myth, and never names anyone who has realized the mythic state. Yes, there are problems related to certification, but in my opinion there are far more problems that arise when an organization refuses to point to concrete *examples* of enlightenment. What tends to happen is that seekers within these traditions, having never seen anyone be acknowledged as having realized enlightenment, tend to project their hope that enlightenment really exists onto anyone who has a good story to tell.
[FairfieldLife] The Rigged Trials at Gitmo: Air Force Major David Frakt
Air Force Major David Frakt of the Military Commissions interviewed by Rachel Maddow: Watch: http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=YNvtzwGHycE
[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: I agree that King Tony is intelligent enough in a true believer sort of way. I just don't believe that the highest state of human development and Tony should be used in the same sentence. I often find it fascinating that someone declares someone to be or not be enlightened. When it comes from a hillbilly like curtis it goes beyond; it becomes hilarious.
[FairfieldLife] New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
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[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: 200% of life, not just 100%. So it's quite silly to argue that Trotaka remained some dumbkoff http://www.koff.net/index.html ;D
[FairfieldLife] Re: The dismantling of the TMO as we know it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: People with access to the tape library are not selected for courage and insight. HaHa Quote of the week ! This fellow obviously has no idea as to who has the key to the original tapes !
[FairfieldLife] MIT Blackjack Team explains the financial crisis
I'm posting this because it's the clearest explanation I've ever read of why we are in the economic mess we are in and how we could prevent such a mess from happening again in the future. It's by Semyon Dukach, one of the members of the now-legendary MIT Blackjack Team that was brought to public attention first in books and then in the recent film 21. About him and the team and their exploits: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Dukach His explanation of the financial crisis: http://semyon.com/crisis.html Shemp will *hate* his suggestion at the end: ban money management by people who earn a commission on it. But it really makes sense, and it's the only suggestion I have heard so far from *anyone* as to how to stop this mess from happening again in a few years. If there are money managers, place them on a salary, with no percentage of the profits. In Canada (as I understand it), a similar situ- ation exists with lawyers -- they work on a fee basis, and cannot receive a percentage of the winnings in a lawsuit. As a result, in Can- ada there have never been multi-million dollar lawsuits brought by ambulance chasers who are working on spec, betting on a percentage of the profits if they win. I suspect that this MIT guy is correct, and a similar requirement for fund managers would prevent the kind of irresistible appeal to greed that exists today. Besides, think of all those completely useless and morally bankrupt fund managers who would be looking for a job as used-car salesmen or as something else that still pays a commission. That thought alone warms the heart. :-)
[FairfieldLife] New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New siddhis -- leaning and the displaced head
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Curtis is going to love this. These are clips of a Japanese illusionist who is young, but whose schtick is dressing up like an old man and doing his thing in public places, as street theater. Pretty astounding illusions...I really don't understand how he does the leaning thing. There are two clips in this WMV, both from Japanese TV. Watch to the end to see the displaced head siddhi. http://images2.jokaroo.net/videos/grandpajapan.wmv That was brilliant. I think we have a little Chris Angel technique of the not so innocent public place at work here. The leaning move is a variation on the broomstick levitation and requires some setup. He needs to be able to hook his heel so the rigid back of his suit can hold him up as he leans. He is leaning too far for it to be just mime although some of them can lean pretty far. And of course making Japanese girls scream IS magic, thanks!
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?
TurquoiseB wrote: WHAT IF THERE WERE A DRUG THAT: * Activated the part of the brain that scientists now associate with a person having subjective experiences of a spiritual nature... Years ago I posted to Usenet several comments describing my experience searching for the mysterious and legendary substance, the so-called 'magic' mushroom, mentioned by Carlos Casteneda in his great book about don Juan, 'A Yaqui Way of Knowledge'. In late 1971 I went down to Mexico with Carlos Casteneda and Oscar Ichazo, whom I had met at Esalen, but we didn't find any magic mushrooms growing in the wild. However, at a party someone, probably don Juan, gave me a taco to eat that was laced with 'fly agaric'. When I found out I almost gagged on the spot. D'oh! I've always been a Cactus man, chased with Tequila. Anyway, although I spit out the offending fungus right away, it was too late; the psychoactive ingredients were already taking their effect on me: to alter my very state of conciousness. Suddenly, I transcended and I saw and experienced the entire cosmos as a Divine Bi-Unity, inter-related, just like the Net of Lord Indra. I realized that we are all inter-connected and I became enlightened on the spot. Then, standing right in front of me, appeared the Creator God of Volcanos and His wife, the beautiful Wisdom Sophia, their son Baal, and their daughter Ashley. I realized that existence, is, in Reality, a great big family affair! Read more: A preliminary, annotated hagiography of past gleaning positioning endeavors, with some appended statements: 'The Confessions of a Taco Eater' http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It underlines the point that enlightenment gives you wisdom. The story I was referring to was when Trotaka revealed his enlightenment to the others. Shankara was insisting that they all wait for him [Trotaka] and the others snickered that he didn't understand it anyway. He came in singing his cognized ? Trotaka stakham sp? verses revealing his complete knowledge. Which, coincidentally, just happened to be a sappy love song to his teacher, expressing his total devotion to him. THAT is what Maha- rishi was trying to put forth as the primary criterion of enlightenment. I memorized them on my TTC, it is a beautiful song. This is from a TTC tape on him. His wisdom came from his enlightenment and he put all the smartypants guys to shame. And his enlightenment came from being slavishly devoted to his master and willing to do any- thing that this master said, without a moment's hesitation. Notice the trend here? His verses were so perfect that it blew them away with his mental ability gained not through pulling all-nighters, but by his devotion and enlightenment. And the lesson being clearly taught here was that the latter (enlightenment) came from the former (devotion). Trotaka didn't have to crack the books to get smart, all he had to do was do whatever he was told to do by his master. I'm just reiterating the point I made earlier, that Maharishi was trying to cultivate that sense of devotion to one's master that *he* considered the highest in his students by telling emotional feel good stories. This story is NOT about Trotaka's intellect; the intellect is presented as *secondary*, some- thing that happened *as the result* of total, unthinking bhakti. Nailed and nailed! In fact, the development of the intellect in the other students is what is being presented as secondary. They are being presented not as happening as Trotaka because they were not as sold out to their master as he was. I'm not saying that this theory of enlighten- ment through devotion is unique, nor am I sug- gesting that it's not valid for some people, who are made that way. What I am suggesting is that Maharishi, by telling this story over and over and over, was trying to establish it as *the* path for people who might NOT be made that way. In my estimation he clearly saw total, unthinking devotion to one's master AS the highest path, because *he* was made that way, and he wanted to remake all of his students over to be like him. I am gracious enough to believe that in the beginning he did this because he really thought that *his* path -- the only one he was capable of because *he* was not a great intellect or drawn to any of the other many viable paths to enlightenment -- was the best path to teach others, for their own good. But at the same time, I think it is important to remember that the master that Maharishi was teaching his students the value of being slavishly devoted to was HIM. I believe that on one level Maharishi may have been trying to convince his students that bhakti and slavish devotion were good things because in his opinion they could lead to enlightenment. But on another, I equally believe that he was trying to establish that same unthinking devotion towards HIM in his students that he was talking about in Trotaka. Forty years later, the unthinking devotion is all that remains, with nary an example of it having led to enlightenment in sight. (Or at least not as recognized by Maharishi or the organization he founded.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment according to Dattareya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote: Nablusoss1008, interesting video, do you subscribe to this fellow's point of view? Hello Marek - interesting question. I do subscribe in many ways though I have never met him in person nor do I follow or understand all his teaching. And he is not my Guru. One thing which I find interesting is that he has something dead honest about him, like Maharishi also had. But he has a different role, Dattatreya is a personal Guru. Another thing is that if you have watched him for a few years he seems to be getting younger, not older. Do you remember when Maharishi used to speak about the softening of the breath that occurs as the person grows in enlightenment? Do you mean from CC and onwards ? No, I can't remember Him saying that, but it certainly is something that He could have said. If you say He did I'm sure you are correct. While I was watching this guy I remembered that and realized that I'd completely internalized that as a valid metric. And I'd have to say that it's proven itself to be true in my experience, at least for the very most part. Coarse people generally seem to have coarse breath, in my experience; it's not necessarily a class division but there seems to be (once again, in my own experience) a generous distribution of that characteristic among my client base, for instance. Again, I don't know that it's an accurate measurement of anything but when I listened to this gentleman speak I really noticed how much I heard him breathe, and that it seemed mildly labored. What's your take on that? I've certainly noticed this among non-enlightened people also. Regarding Dattatreya I'm not picking up this thing you are mentioning, just a lot of power, but you could be correct ofcourse - perhaps he had a cold ? :-) Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3hM6LFzWlUfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought
I often find it fascinating that someone declares someone to be or not be enlightened. When it comes from a hillbilly like curtis it goes beyond; it becomes hilarious. I was knocking a few back the other night with my main dog Maitreya and your name came up Nabbie. He refers to you as the priggish old Euro with American envy, anywhooo, he was laughing his ass off over all the stuff he has gotten you to believe about himself through the years with his Benji Creme pranks. Apparently they sit around all night knocking back 10 year old Port wine and Stilton cheese and high five-ing about what they are going to get you to swallow next. He got so tipsy telling the stories that he tried to get his old pal Mahesh on the phone at one point (who he used to trade Nabbie gullibility stories with) until I reminded him that he was dead. Then he got all sappy over how funny it was when good ol' Mahesh got you to believe you were flying while bouncing on your butt. (He does the most hilarious imitation of you flying BTW, think a seated Michael Jackson with epilepsy.) After the bartender got tired of wiping the bar after Maitreya kept shooting his Scottish Newcastle beer through his nose laughing at your ability to believe anything we were asked to hit the road Me back to my crib and Maitreya with a waitress just getting off duty. I heard him lay his rap on her as they headed out the door:I'm the Lord of the earth see baby, and someday I'll hold a press conference with the whole world and I'll give you a country of your own... which one would you like baby, cuz you're so fine... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I agree that King Tony is intelligent enough in a true believer sort of way. I just don't believe that the highest state of human development and Tony should be used in the same sentence. I often find it fascinating that someone declares someone to be or not be enlightened. When it comes from a hillbilly like curtis it goes beyond; it becomes hilarious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Faith vs Proof and MMY's Interpretation of the Rig Veda
metoostill wrote: I found this fascinating and on the same topic(s). Hindu fundamentalism arguing back at Buddhism (in circa 200BC, a whole millennia before Shankara)... Apparently you and I are on the same path! Your insights, metoo, are suffused with the fragrance of tantric touchstone yoga. Your comments are as like a refreshing breeze from Gokul, which comes wafting over the sacred waters of Radha Kund. Thank you for the information you recently posted concerning the atheist 'Mimamsa' [investigations] and the means of valid knowledge. You seem somewhat mesmerized by this subject matter, so I would like to take this opportunity to introduce you to my report, which is just now being finished, in which several respondents here figure as the main sources of informantion. I would especially call your attention to the messages of Mr. Vaj the Nath, the Bharat2, and the TurqB, erstwjile leaders of some very important minor deviant left-handed tantric sects. Like other Indian cultists, the deviant sect of 'Power Yoga' adherents subscribe to the practice of ritual coitus using various sounds and sometimes the sound current, or 'Shabd', the primeval sound of the universe, variously described as 'vac', from the Urdu root, 'vacumn', as in to be made empty. Yet, Power Yoga acharyas have been quite emphatic in accepting elements of what is commonly thought of as left-handed tantricism, such as the worship of various ridge poles, upright sticks and stones; they love to go on pilgrimages to the various shakta peeths of the mother Vagin, and the reading of religious texts such as the 'Bhairava Tantra'. However, according to the late Master Charanjiva, of San Francisco, these practices are a waste of time and most ceremonies and ritual observances are a failure in engendering the spiritual life. The quaint but irrelevant customs, myths and festivals of various tantric cults are prevalent only when real saints leave this world. Those who adopt the 'tantric' perspective see 'power touching' as something vital and new, but most real acharyas are naturally unenthusiastic about what they regard as old whores. Satnaam and Jai Guru Dev! Read more: 'Rasavada: A Full Report' http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/ras.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: WHAT IF THERE WERE A DRUG THAT: Already being done: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1075840 Psilocybin research fits pretty well. * Activated the part of the brain that scientists now associate with a person having subjective experiences of a spiritual nature? * Activated the part of the brain that causes us to see everything around us in terms of Unity (as described so well by the female brain scientist who had a stroke)? * Chemically provided the subjective experience that you were somehow witnessing your own thoughts and actions, or were experiencing something you couldn't describe but felt to be transcendent at all times? * Chemically provided the subjective experience that you were in tune with nature or with the will of God? * Chemically provided the subjective experience that you know things, and that each of these things that you know, whether as a result of intuition or 'seeing' or just opinion, were Absolute Truth, without any possi- bility of being false? * Chemically provided the subjective feeling that being in your very presence was beneficial to other people, and that you were somehow influencing them positively just by being around them? What if someone slipped you such a drug without you knowing it and it produced all of the experiences listed above. Would you be able to distinguish what you were experiencing from what you consider real enlightenment? AND, JUST FOR FUN, WHAT IF: * *Every* experience of enlightenment in human history, no matter what the path taken to achieve it, were nothing more (or less) than these same parts of the brain being activated and subjective experiences being provided chemically to the brain? (In other words, it is a *purely* chemical experience, and has nothing to do with anything spiritual at all.) * Enlightenment were nothing more *than* these chemical changes in the brain and how we perceive them subjectively? * ALL of the dogma and mythology that has built up around enlightenment and the characteristics of the enlightened over the centuries was just people trying to come up with some story to account for a purely chemical experience? It's just a what if question, posted to see who can have fun with it, and who it drives up the wall. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment according to Dattareya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Nablusoss1008, interesting video, do you subscribe to this fellow's point of view? Hello Marek - interesting question. I do subscribe in many ways though I have never met him in person nor do I follow or understand all his teaching. And he is not my Guru. [http://www.dattapeetham.com/2008/r/3.jpg] As one of the rare living Avataras...His Holiness Parama Pujya Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Swamiji is the Pontiff of Avadhoota Datta Peetham at Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Ashrama in Mysore, India. Sri Swamiji is renowned for His Healing and Meditation music and He is considered a divine guide who cultivates the ancient Vedic traditions. He was born fully realised in command of the eight Mahasiddhis and is a Guru in the Dattatreya Avadhoota lineage. Marek - This is the fellow I was reffering to - forget the other fellow from youtube !:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rigged Trials at Gitmo: Air Force Major David Frakt
John posted: The Rigged Trials at Gitmo Apparently 61 of those freed from Club Gitmo are back on the battlefield. This is disgusting. Read more: 'Catch and release' Posted by Don Surber http://tinyurl.com/9zvrul WASHINGTON Terror suspects who have been held but released from Guantanamo Bay are increasingly returning to the fight against the United States and its allies, the Pentagon said Tuesday. Full story: 'Pentagon: Gitmo detainees returning to battlefield' By Lara Jakes Associated Press, Jan 13, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/7qcnhj
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment according to Dattareya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Nablusoss1008, interesting video, do you subscribe to this fellow's point of view? Hello Marek - interesting question. I do subscribe in many ways though I have never met him in person nor do I follow or understand all his teaching. And he is not my Guru. [http://www.dattapeetham.com/2008/r/3.jpg] As one of the rare living Avataras...His Holiness Parama Pujya Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Swamiji is the Pontiff of Avadhoota Datta Peetham at Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Ashrama in Mysore, India. Sri Swamiji is renowned for His Healing and Meditation music and He is considered a divine guide who cultivates the ancient Vedic traditions. He was born fully realised in command of the eight Mahasiddhis and is a Guru in the Dattatreya Avadhoota lineage. Marek - This is the fellow I was reffering to - forget the other fellow from youtube !:-) http://www.dattapeetham.com/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Their conclusion? Some were able to be in the present, that is some of them had gained some basic awareness. That's all. Otherwise they were superficially compassionate but seemingly nice people, but largely ego-bound. The ability to be 'in the present' was then combined with language popular among Neoadvaita teachers and of course, self-fulfilling prophecies of what MMY talked about. The person was little impressed. There was a lot of one upmanship, my enlightenment trumps your enlightenment going on. :)
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi on Picture of Guru Dev (pertains to all saints)
Maharishi on Picture of Guru Dev This explanation by Maharishi was related by Raja Steve Rubin as part of the 12 January 2009 celebration. _ It's a very beautiful question and very sweet, the question was and still is, Guru Dev must have been fully enlightened. Now after leaving the body nothing remains in the Relative, just Absolute. Then how do we invoke and to whom? And if nobody is to be invoked, then what is the use? Some such similar question I asked Guru Dev once, what happened was naturally people come to the ashram from all over India to pay respects to Guru Dev, once or twice a year according to their own convenience. And when they would come, they would narrate all sorts of stories - the child was sick, or they had a law suit, all sorts of difficulties, and then thinking of Guru Dev, that thing disappeared. And hearing all these things for a long time, one night I asked Guru Dev,What is this? These people don't even write to Guru Dev, Guru Dev doesn't know they are in difficulty on the surface of life, and then how do they report they had a vision or some thought of Guru Dev, and then from that time everything started to be smooth? If they wrote a letter and the difficulties came to the notice of Guru Dev and then they got out of their difficulty, I could understand it, but they don't write letters. They just have the devotion to Guru Dev and they have some thought of Guru Dev, And Guru Dev reply was, It's the department of the Almighty and He does it. And it took me about 2 years to understand because I quite remember the time what is meant by it's the department of the Almighty. And now I understand it is this. We have the picture of Guru Dev, as when we do puja, and that form, that photo, that picture is the physical expression of the form which had a mind that was fully enlightened and omnipresent. So once we see the form, our eyes associate with the form very naturally because the physical and mental run parallel. And once the form is in our vision, in our awareness, then naturally our mind gets in tune with the mind which occupied that form once upon a time. The form was occupied by a mind, that mind is an all-time reality, eternal, the barriers of time are no barriers to it, continuum. The body is no more, but the form is there, and once we tune our eyes, our vision, perception, cognition to that, because that was held up by a mind that was enlightened, naturally our mind gets in tune, and because that mind was and is and will forever be omnipresent, immediately our mind gets in tune with the omnipresent, and right away the help comes from where we are. The help comes from Absolute Being, which is the nature of our own mind, but that image, that picture becomes a positive and concrete medium to have that mechanics performed for our mind. So help comes from our own Being because it comes through that form naturally our devotion to that. It's the department of the Almighty which does it, not the individual, it's the department and it's only one way, it's not two ways, it's one way. The help is not given, it's received. It's received by our ability to attune with that, and that ability develops with devotion, surrender and service, these three things. Automatically one is elevated to that level, and help doesn't come from outside, it comes from right where we are, from our own being. But those unaware of one's own being have those mechanics to help them. This is true of all the saints of the times throughout the world.
[FairfieldLife] Dear Jericho Jerry
Peter wrote in response to: Its no mystery, its just LIFE You mean there's nothing more than that? But Jerry must, absolutely must, behave in a fashion that fulfills my needs, not his. What is wrong with him. JERRY, THIS INSTANT BEHAVE THE WAY I NEED YOU TO BEHAVE! NOW! Peter, Hmmm, I suspect your derisive tone is indicative of agenda spamming. Tsk. Let me indulge in roiling about it -- yeah, I'll take it personally. Who isn't guilty of me-me-me? Why should I be dissed for expecting something from someone if the whole world would equally expect such? But let's not make this a you-me tussle. Stand aside. It's the big guy I want to talk to. Jerry, Here's an open letter to you. Your silence, your refusal to attend openly to the issues below serve me, and probably serve all, with enough proof that you are still part of the problem. If a stranger came up to me and told me to follow him or his guru, I'd have a phalanx of sharp spears of doubt he'd have to fight his way through to get to my mind's more serious consideration. Sorry, Jerry, but you cannot be given a free ride because of your charm. Maharishi had charm. Hell, Maharishi could shit charm. No wonder he attracted charming folks like you to his stead. But, screw charm; I saw charm, confidence and pizzaz by the ton being spewed by that ShamWow guy on TV today. Man, if he'd been a golden boy 108er in the Merv era, he'd have gotten half of America to buy the snakeoil. And don't diss that notion, cuz, Maharishi himself said that if the movement had had Elron Hubbard for an initiator the whole world plan would swiftly be a done deal. Remember when that was the gossip? That it was the impure lifestyles of the initiators that was holding back the world plan? I do. I remember feeling the sting of that lashing from our guru -- felt the psychic welt rising -- felt that I was a drag on the movment for not initiating enough folks fast enough because of my personal failure. And I was one of the most successful initiators ever. How fucked was that of me to indulge in shame? Why didn't the technique burn that low esteem out of me when I sat on my ass for eight months in cheap hotels in Spain and Italy? I'll tell you why. Cuz you knew and Maharishi knew that low esteem folks were the exact type of followers you wanted. They could be shamed at will and work for free. And, you knew, that even decades of sit-assing would not remove this purile dynamic from us. Look around the room at the beaming faces as you talk -- here a bow, there a scrape, everywhere an oink oink at your trough, eh? Jerry, you knew, and when I see you on a dais -- even if it's a mere fun-gathering of old TMers wanting to hear some stories from ya -- my attention goes to the matrix that surrounds you which is festering with questions unanswered about the accusations facing the TMO that are too validly and obviously germane to ignore. A murder on the MUM campus isn't a one-off deal -- it is an iceberg's tip -- a foul dysfunctionalism -- paritally seen -- that tells of the huge hidden mass below -- and it gainsays any claims for the TM benefits package. And, by the way, toss us a hover, eh? I mean, you were in fucking god-consciousness last I heard 36 years ago, and you never once said that that was an exaggeration, right? You let us think that you had had a goodly amount of holymollyishness, eh? You liked the syscophants, right? So, by now, hey, put up or shut up. I remember a story about you saying you could levitate a glass of water by using only your mind. Then you simply picked up the glass with your hand and arm. Smiles all around as you thusly instructed that we were already siddha's in that we could levitate the meat robot's parts, but, ya know, it just isn't enough after decades of sitting to tell us this same smarmy shit. I'm saying that you have to face the accusations if you're representing the TMO in any fashion. Even if you feel pure hearted and are trying to revive, say, the pre-siddhi Students International Meditation Society, you still have to explain how the TMO justified the abuse, the crimes, the money grubbing when the literature promised utopian personalities for any and all practitioners -- promised us to turn into folks with deep resonance with core values -- while all along, the leaders of the movement were far more like the Borg hitting town. Didn't happen. Didn't see Bloomfield get that set of sacred values. Didn't see Ed Beckley get them. Didn't see Beven tear MUM apart and clean out the rot of blind allegiance that produced that murder. Jerry, hey, let me stop you right now if you're going to come back at us with we should not be putting our minds on negativity and should just do some asanas. Nope. I'd ask you to bend over first. Me? I should be the bender, you say? I bent over for 29 years, and thanks a lot Jerry, but I learned what bending meant, and don't ask me to do it for you because you smile sweetly, have a
[FairfieldLife] Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Faith vs Proof and MMY's Interpretation of the Rig Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: metoostill wrote: I found this fascinating and on the same topic(s). Hindu fundamentalism arguing back at Buddhism (in circa 200BC, a whole millennia before Shankara)... Apparently you and I are on the same path! Satnaam and Jai Guru Dev! Read more: 'Rasavada: A Full Report' http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/ras.htm Read your report. Now that was funny. Very creative. Loved it. Would be funnier still if it wasn't in fact a tru-ish account of acts and occurrences (very well researched) that had led to such a sad present circumstance. Several years ago I spent a weekend there at the invitation of some dear old friends with whom I share a lot of history. But why dwell, thanks for the link to your Report.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Picture of Guru Dev (pertains to all saints)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Maharishi on Picture of Guru Dev This explanation by Maharishi was related by Raja Steve Rubin as part of the 12 January 2009 celebration. _ It's a very beautiful question and very sweet, the question was and still is, Guru Dev must have been fully enlightened. Now after leaving the body nothing remains in the Relative, just Absolute. Then how do we invoke and to whom? And if nobody is to be invoked, then what is the use? Some such similar question I asked Guru Dev once, what happened was naturally people come to the ashram from all over India to pay respects to Guru Dev, once or twice a year according to their own convenience. And when they would come, they would narrate all sorts of stories - the child was sick, or they had a law suit, all sorts of difficulties, and then thinking of Guru Dev, that thing disappeared. And hearing all these things for a long time, one night I asked Guru Dev,What is this? These people don't even write to Guru Dev, Guru Dev doesn't know they are in difficulty on the surface of life, and then how do they report they had a vision or some thought of Guru Dev, and then from that time everything started to be smooth? If they wrote a letter and the difficulties came to the notice of Guru Dev and then they got out of their difficulty, I could understand it, but they don't write letters. They just have the devotion to Guru Dev and they have some thought of Guru Dev, And Guru Dev reply was, It's the department of the Almighty and He does it. This clearly indicates a functioning relative component to Paramatma, the Almighty. Guru Dev has described Paramatma [God] as being both manifest -and- unmanifest. And it took me about 2 years to understand because I quite remember the time what is meant by it's the department of the Almighty. And now I understand it is this. We have the picture of Guru Dev, as when we do puja, and that form, that photo, that picture is the physical expression of the form which had a mind that was fully enlightened and omnipresent. So once we see the form, our eyes associate with the form very naturally because the physical and mental run parallel. And once the form is in our vision, in our awareness, then naturally our mind gets in tune with the mind which occupied that form once upon a time. The form was occupied by a mind, that mind is an all-time reality, eternal, the barriers of time are no barriers to it, continuum. The body is no more, but the form is there, and once we tune our eyes, our vision, perception, cognition to that, because that was held up by a mind that was enlightened, naturally our mind gets in tune, and because that mind was and is and will forever be omnipresent, immediately our mind gets in tune with the omnipresent, and right away the help comes from where we are. The help comes from Absolute Being, which is the nature of our own mind, but that image, that picture becomes a positive and concrete medium to have that mechanics performed for our mind. So help comes from our own Being because it comes through that form naturally our devotion to that. It's the department of the Almighty which does it, not the individual, it's the department and it's only one way, it's not two ways, it's one way. The help is not given, it's received. It's received by our ability to attune with that, and that ability develops with devotion, surrender and service, these three things. Automatically one is elevated to that level, and help doesn't come from outside, it comes from right where we are, from our own being. But those unaware of one's own being have those mechanics to help them. This is true of all the saints of the times throughout the world.
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev: Paramatma [God] is both Manifest and Unmanifest
Manifest and Unmanifest Some people fight over the distinction between the manifest and the unmanifest. If you believe that Paramatman is almighty, then how can you say, He isn't manifest, or He remains unmanifest. To believe that Paramatman is almighty, but to insist that He is unmanifest only, is a complete contradiction. When you say Paramatman is completely free and independent, then how could you believe it is not possible for Him to take any form, or to think He is not able to do something? To explain how God exists both with qualities and without, I will give one example. Agni (fire and also the Divine aspect of God associated with fire) is everywhere. Agni is even in water. Agni is in every solid thing. There is no place where fire does not exist. We know without doubt that fire is all-pervasive. Like fire, Paramatman is all-pervasive. Fire exists unmanifest even in a splinter of wood. If you put the splinter into the fireplace and pray for it to burn, it will not. Until fire takes form from formlessness, it can be of no use. Fire may exist without qualities, but [in this state] it will be useless for you. Similarly, the unqualified, unmanifest Parabrahman is all-pervasive in creation, and like the unmanifest fire, it is useless to you. If anything is to be accomplished in this world, it will only be done by the manifest Brahman (God in the relative). With the help of the guru, the disciple can light the splinter from within and make use of this manifest form as he sees fit. As long as God does not manifest Himself from the formless, He can do absolutely nothing for us. In the same context, the Bhagavad Gita says:- yada yadah dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata | abhyutthanamadharmasya tadatmanam srijamyaham || 'Atmanam srijami' means, When I take form from formlessness. When? When dharma is on the decline and adharma is on the rise. Why does the Lord have to take on a form from within the formless? It explains this by saying:- paritranaya sadhunan vinashaya cha dushkritam | dharma sansthapanarthaya sanbhavami yuge yuge || For the benefit of the good and to destroy the evil, I manifest myself and I establish dharma. Don't take the word sadhu here to mean those who wear ochre robes or sectarian marks on their foreheads or sacred rosaries.The meaning of the word sadhu is this - sadhus are good-natured people with good hearts, who respect the limits set by Vedas and Shastras and who have faith in their own enjoined duties and follow them. Bhagavan's avatars (Incarnations of God) are for the welfare of those people. If Bhagavan does not assume a manifest form, then the world cannot be orderly. The nature of a thing determines its use. For example, if you bring a mircrophone and place it in front of me, but I sit silently, then it will serve no purpose. The unmanifest is like me sitting silent. If I always sit silent, what benefit can there be for you all? No profit can be derived from the unmanifest Bhagavan until He assumes a form. I am telling you the way it is. I must explain these teachings strictly as they are told in the Vedas and Shastra, and not to expound my own thinking. My duty is to explain the teachings clearly. In this respect, I do not care whether the words are pleasing to one or irritating to another. I neither need to please nor to antagonize anybody. Still, I question those people who propound only the unmanifest. In fact, I also accept the unmanifest, but not the unmanifest alone. I ask those who propound only the formless: Can any profit be derived from the unmanifest fire which is hidden in a piece of wood? Please show me any bread cooked by an unmanifest fire. The formless is only Being. I would like to ask those people who meditate only on the formless, how do you meditated on the unmanifest? The mind can only concentrate on an object of meditation, so how can one make the unmanifest an object of meditation? Concentration on the unmanifest is not possible. If someone says that he concentrates on the formless, it is like saying that he is going to attend the wedding of the son of a barren woman. Well, the son of a barren woman does not exist, so how can he marry? When there is no form or outline to the unmanifest, how can one make it an object of meditation? To collect the mental formations, some foundation is necessary. Whatever is taken as the mind's foundation, that becomes the form. Formlessness is beyond all the trios, namely: meditation, meditator, and object of mediation; and knowledge, knower, and object that is known. Meditation on the formless is mere mockery. Only those who do not understand the principle of formlessness can talk about meditation [dhyana] on the formless. The principle of formlessness is merely for understanding; it is the principle of existence, but the world cannot derive any benefit from this principle. Can anybody derive any benefit from an unmanifest son? Can anybody go to an unmanifest school and study? Can any minister sit on an
[FairfieldLife] Re: MIT Blackjack Team explains the financial crisis
I got as far as reading the following from the MIT guy's article that Barry posted: The Martingale system works as follows: suppose you need an extra $100. You go down to your nearest casino, and bet $100 on a hand of blackjack, or on any other almost 50/50 proposition. Should you win right away, you have reached your goal and gotten your money. Now if you lose, you bet $200. If you win the second bet, you're up $100 over all and once again successful. But a little more than one out of four times you'll lose both, and end up down $300. In that event you simply bet $400. If you lose again you bet $800, and you just keep doubling your bet until you win once. Clearly you have to win at least once eventually, and with this system you end up with your $100 profit even if you start out losing for a while. If you're willing to bet up to ten times for instance, your chance of losing all ten bets is close to one in a thousand. That means that with a probability of almost 99.9%, you will win one of those ten bets, and therefore walk away with your $100. Of course there's a catch that few people notice. When the unlikely one in a thousand event happens and you do lose ten in a row, the actual amount that you've lost is over $100,000, all risked to win a mere hundred bucks. You might not have any way of doubling up again. You might even need some sort of bailout. ...and then I read no further. Why? Because the author lost all credibility by saying the above and I concluded he didn't know what he was talking about. What he says above is NOT the catch...as anyone who has ever walked into in a casino and sat at a Blackjack table knows. What he explains above can't possibly be a catch because virtually every single Blackjack table in the world has a maximum bet limit posted on the table. And it is this maximum bet that prevents the doubling down strategy from being tried...and it doesn't take a genius to figure it out! Taking the particulars of the example he gave: say the maximum allowable bet posted on the table is $1,000. Well, the last doubling the player could possibly do is the $800 bet. After that, he can't double down anymore! Casinos aren't stupid...unlike the MIT guy who apparently hasn't ever been in a casino...or thinks his readers are stupid. Indeed, the first time I ever heard of this strategy was back in the '60s on the Johnny Carson Show when he had Jerry Lewis on as a guest. Carson asked him: Why don't you gamble? And Jerry answered: Because I can keep doubling up on my bets at Blackjack and eventually get my money back. Jerry had about as much sense as the MIT guy. Another thing: I haven't read the Wikipedia article on the MIT exploits, nor have I seen the movie. But I did see the Discovery Channel (I think it was) program on them. And, yes, they did make money initially but then they ended up giving it all back to the casino. Even with counting cards -- which certainly increases the odds in their favor -- as the MIT guys were doing, the odds are still stacked in the casino's favor in Blackjack. Indeed the odds are so much in their favor that that is the reason why they can even afford to pay YOU, the player, 150% on a score of 21 (Blackjack) yet when the house gets 21 they only win whatever you bet, not 150%. So except for a score of 21 -- which favors the player -- every other move in Blackjack is equal to both house and player...except one! And what is that? IT IS THE RULE THAT IF YOU, THE PLAYER, GO OVER 21 YOU LOSE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE HOUSE TIES YOU ON THAT HAND (THAT IS, THE HOUSE ALSO GOES OVER 21). That's it, folks, that's the ONLY advantage that the house has over the player in the game of Blackjack...and it's the sole, single factor responsible for the billions of dollars that the casino industry makes on Blackjack. If you've ever played the game, think about it: the Blackjack dealer deals all the players' hands as well as himself. Then each player plays his hand (the dealer plays last, of course, unless he has 21 which he will announce before anyone gets to play their hand). If a player goes over 21, he's out at that point: the dealer takes his chips and his cards away. But what happens when the dealer's turn comes and HE goes over 21? Well, he may lose against any player that is still in the game (those who held at 21 or under)...but EVEN THOUGH HE, THE DEALER, HAS TIED THE PLAYER WHO ALSO WENT OVER 21, HE HAS COLLECTED THAT PLAYER'S MONEY ALREADY...HE DOESN'T GIVE IT BACK TO HIM EVEN THOUGH THEY TIED!!! That, my friends, is the SOLE advantage the house has in Blackjack and the SOLE basis for the house making money in Blackjack. And it's also why the MIT people -- even with card counting -- will never, ever beat the house (and despite what the movie and the book may have told you, they didn't beat the house in the long run). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The dismantling of the TMO as we know it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 waybac...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: In the Western Regional Office, I was in charge of the tapes to be sent out to centers for resi- dence courses and advanced lectures... Turq probably meant 'film' instead of 'tape', since recording to video tape for SCI didn't happen until the invention of the composite U-Matic by SONY in 1971. The first consumer videocassette recorders were launched in 1971. Apparently most of SCI was recorded on film in the early days and on videotape later, after 1972. But this is reaching way back into the mist of time, so I'm not sure. There were some Marshy TV stations back then around the L.A. area - Turq might know more about this. But I had a little 16MM Bolex back then, and I think I was one of the first people to record the Marshy on film. When Jerry Jarvis saw my film he wanted to create a whole series and call them 'SCI. BillyG may know something more about those early times. You must mean something other than SCI here. The Science of Creative Intelligence wasn't offered until 1972. Or are you just compressing time here? Read more: Subject: Re: Question-willytex From: Ken Hassman Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2000/01/30 http://tinyurl.com/a4bbjh I think the SCI course was filmed or recorded on video in Fiuggi in May of 1972. THe TV station in LA was called KSCI. When the TMO finally sold it, I think they made a great deal of money since the value of the small stations had increased substantially over those years. Yep. I remember going over there (West LA) the night they went on the air. I was working and living at the Sunset Blvd. center at the time. We really thought we were on the cup of taking over the world!
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: WHAT IF THERE WERE A DRUG THAT: Already being done: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1075840 Psilocybin research fits pretty well. The original What if... enquiry should have included the message ...without turning the subject into a deluded acid head. Uns.
[FairfieldLife] Where do our assumptions come from? (was Re: abandoning thought)
TurquoiseB wrote: *Of course* bhakti and unswerving devotion to one's spiritual 'master' are a path to enlightenment. The Bhakti Tradition doesn't really have much to do with the Enlightenment Tradition - that would be a contradiction in terms. Enlightenment pertains to freedom; bhakti pertains to 'service' and devotion. If anything, bhakti would indicate a Karma Yoga approach, according to the Gita. Bhaktas do not aspire to 'enlightenment' or 'freedom', and in fact, are sometimes against such an approach. Bhakti is concerned with loving devotion to a personal God - it has nothing to do with self-liberation of Yoga. Being devoted to God or to a guru is directly opposed to obtaining liberation through one's own means. This is what the Vaishnava's teach. There are no enlightened bhaktas. Bhakti stems from the tradition of Chaitanya and the Bengali Sahjiyas. In contrast, the enlightemnet tradition has origins with Shakya the Muni and the Sage Patanjali.
[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought
Curtis wrote: I'm reading his two volume biography. This one? If so, it's really great, I read them about a year ago. Guralnick really gets to the source. 'Last Train to Memphis: The Rise of Elvis Presley' by Peter Guralnick Back Bay Books, 1995 http://tinyurl.com/9ynr39 'Careless Love: The Unmaking of Elvis Presley' by Peter Guralnick Back Bay Books, 2000 http://tinyurl.com/a5u47g
[FairfieldLife] Re: Faith vs Proof and MMY's Interpretation of the Rig Veda
'Rasavada: A Full Report' http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/ras.htm metoostill wrote: Read your report. Now that was funny. Very creative. Loved it. Would be funnier still if it wasn't in fact a tru-ish account of acts and occurrences (very well researched) that had led to such a sad present circumstance. Several years ago I spent a weekend there at the invitation of some dear old friends with whom I share a lot of history. But why dwell, thanks for the link to your Report. This is great - finding someone with a dry sense of humor like myself. I've been trashed real good by Judy Stein, the two Barry's, Mr. Perino, and Mr. Manning, not to mention Lon P. Stacks and the Asshole Nick, but I don't take offense. In fact, I welcome the trashing because that let's me get my own karma under control. It's a form of tapas and I take great pride in my siddhi accomplishments. You see, I belong to an obscure sect in India that prides itself on saying things in public that gets one trashed - it's a sadhana meant to help other people get rid of their own karma. So, I don't resent the trashing, I thank them for it. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. Apparently you and I are on the same path! Sat Nam!
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?
--Willytex, this is most interesting! But isn't there a downside? (I'll let you answer for yourself): you won't be able to teach this as a route to Unity. It's like making a pact before incarnating, something like OK, I'm getting close to Unity and need one final stimulus. Practicing TM for decades won't do so I'll take the schrooms saving me the Sadhana. That will get be there quicker. Your Neo-Advaitin admonitions such as Just Be don't hold much water in the face of your own experience. I don't see how people can teach others something different than what they experienced themselves. To be consistent, shouldn't you go around promoting shroom ingestion? Could be the modern-day Soma and you could be the Leary- like pied piper of the 21st century! MEPHISTOPHELES (from Wiki): The name is associated with the Faust legend of a scholar who wagers his soul against the devil being able to make Faust wish to live, even for a moment, based on the historical Johann Georg Faust. The name appears in the late 16th century Faust chapbooks. In the 1725 version which was read by Goethe, Mephostophiles is a devil in the form of a greyfriar summoned by Faust in a wood outside Wittenberg. The name Mephistophiles already appears in the 1527 Praxis Magia Faustiana, printed in Passau, alongside pseudo-Hebrew text. It is best explained as a purposely obscure pseudo-Greek or pseudo-Hebrew formation of Renaissance magic - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: WHAT IF THERE WERE A DRUG THAT: * Activated the part of the brain that scientists now associate with a person having subjective experiences of a spiritual nature... Years ago I posted to Usenet several comments describing my experience searching for the mysterious and legendary substance, the so-called 'magic' mushroom, mentioned by Carlos Casteneda in his great book about don Juan, 'A Yaqui Way of Knowledge'. In late 1971 I went down to Mexico with Carlos Casteneda and Oscar Ichazo, whom I had met at Esalen, but we didn't find any magic mushrooms growing in the wild. However, at a party someone, probably don Juan, gave me a taco to eat that was laced with 'fly agaric'. When I found out I almost gagged on the spot. D'oh! I've always been a Cactus man, chased with Tequila. Anyway, although I spit out the offending fungus right away, it was too late; the psychoactive ingredients were already taking their effect on me: to alter my very state of conciousness. Suddenly, I transcended and I saw and experienced the entire cosmos as a Divine Bi-Unity, inter-related, just like the Net of Lord Indra. I realized that we are all inter-connected and I became enlightened on the spot. Then, standing right in front of me, appeared the Creator God of Volcanos and His wife, the beautiful Wisdom Sophia, their son Baal, and their daughter Ashley. I realized that existence, is, in Reality, a great big family affair! Read more: A preliminary, annotated hagiography of past gleaning positioning endeavors, with some appended statements: 'The Confessions of a Taco Eater' http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: New member introduces herself
Hey Ron - Not sure there is a relationship here, but after Moriah's introducing herself I cannot find any more posts by her. Anyway, I read your reply to her introduction and spotted this turd of ignorance left behind by yourself.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7...@... wrote: --- In swam...@yahoogroups.com, Moriah Kaplan xmoriah49@ wrote: [mercy snip] * In Peru I spent some time with some Shamans - the experiences there deepened the awareness of union with nature energytically - vibrating in the same frequency .pointing to the oness G i don't advise the useage of ayahuasca or any types of drugs within the path. They are unpredicatable and leave many in states of a disconnect which has no balance within it. [mercy snip] You don't really know what you are talking about do you..? It's actually works completely the opposite way around - and I now address the entire community reading this reply/post. If you're one of these long-term TMers which has this feeling of having become stuck - that in spite of deep experiences during years of programming there remain these hidden sleeping elephants, or whatever, that just wont go away. There may even be physical impairments. And you may have this even after doing PK treatments and what else. Well, your freedom, final spiritual emanicipation, is only hours away - if that's what your presence within the confines of the TMO is really about. Drop me an email for contact details to the best place to do Ayahuasca in Peru at this time. peterkl...@yahoo.com.au. Cheers, PK
[FairfieldLife] Re: New member introduces herself
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[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?
Psilocybin research fits pretty well. uns wrote: What if... enquiry should have included the message ...without turning the subject into a deluded acid head. Some western people just can't deal with the idea of people getting spiritual by ingesting plant substances like the ancient Vedic Aryans did. There's a deep-seated prejudice in America against ritual trance-induction, unless its alcohol induced. In our western society some people have gotten to the point where otherwise decent, honest people resort to rank hypocrisy when even discussing the subject. Seratonin is generated in the brain during TM practice, so there's no need to procure illegal chemicals. Maharishi has made a complete program available with hundreds of organic substances and potions available for self medication. He's got more potions that Carter had 'Little Liver Pills'! Among the brain's many jobs is to be your own chemist. The brain produces more than 50 identified active drugs. Some of these are associated with memory, others with intelligence, still others are sedatives. Endorphin is the brain's painkiller, and it is 3 times more potent than morphine. More than 100,000 chemical reactions go on in your brain every second! Read more: Subject: No, Im not on Soma! From: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Thurs, Jun 24 2004 11:23 pm http://tinyurl.com/9sk2hs Subject: TM Caused My Wife to Have Panic Attacks! From: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Fri, Jan 7 2005 10:38 am http://tinyurl.com/a8uqeg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev: Paramatma [God] is both Manifest and Unmanifest
John posted: Paramatma... We are the Materialists, one of the greatest schools of Indian Philosophy, founded by Brhaspati, and very old. We have always existed, and we will exist at the end of time. Our Sutra has been lost, so we offer this manifesto: a protest to the extreme idealism and monkdom of all priests everywhere. A protest to the kidnapping of true religion. A protest to the enemies of the Open Society. Our teacher is Bhogi, so called because he must be having a hair blanket about himself all the time. We believe in four elements. Our motto is emphasize the substance, ignore the shadows. Perception is rejected as a valid means of knowledge and we reject inference as a leap in the dark. Verbal testimony is a lie. In fact, we reject all means of knowledge. Earth, water, fire, and air are reality. Enjoyment is the true end of human existence. Concsiousness is a product of the elements, an epi-phenomenon, and the senses are the by-product of matter. There is no other world and no individual soul: death is liberation. There is no returning here again. The three authors of the Vedas were clowns, buffoons, and knaves. Eat, drink and be merry. Pleasure is a fact, desired by all. After all, man is an animal, and satisfaction is as natural as life itself. As Vatsyana said: No pleasure should be neglected. (arasparasyanupaghatakam trivargam sevets) Kama Sutra Ch. 2.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Jericho Jerry
Pretty intense stuff! I'm tempted to say something good is happening, just for old times sake, of course. :) Whatever, I still love Jerry for who he was and is, and always felt he had the presence of mind to keep things in real perspective. I'd enjoy hearing him again, anytime. I don't hold him responsible for making waves or revolting against the hierarchy after he was ousted. * I remember hearing (which I assumed was true) on one occassion Jerry was at a birthday party where chocolate cake was served and some people thought that was OTP. Jerry's response was to say that whoever thought chocolate was anti-evolutionary should have their head examined. Remember that God-awful carob substitute for chocolate? * Debbie Jarvis- When I was on the CEG at MIU in the late 70's, we heard that Debbie was supposed to be a connoisseur of coffee. So one fine day a bunch of us Gov's/serfs wandered by her travel office in the Admin. Bldg and she offered us a cup of gourmet brew, which was great to have. No discussion was needed about evolution and coffee. This, was back in the day when drinking coffee was taboo at the MIU!!! I wonder if it still is... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Duveyoung wrote: I bent over for 29 years, and thanks a lot Jerry, but I learned what bending meant, and don't ask me to do it for you because you smile sweetly, have a delicate sense of humor, can play trumpet, -- you're not some witty horn blowing Joshua who'll help us disintegrate our walls of ignorance surrounding our souls -- not if you can't see that the TMO's walls are far more worthy of your blow jobs... What is wrong with you, did someone stick a cob up your ass? You're flat-out disgusting, whoever you are. At this point, reading your stuff is just depressing. I feel really sorry for you. All you can seem to do is complain. Sure, there are always issues and problems with any large corporation or with a school administration. But your incessant bitching seems to be way off the map. Curtis has some complaints, but in general, he seems to have made psychological adjustments to his TMO experience. Maybe you'd benefit from some professional counseling. You seem to one really depressed fellow. What, exactly, is it with you and the Marshy cult? Most people I know who that don't like their situation just move on after a few years, but you're wallowing. Poor fukin' Ed - I guess he got his feelings hurt really bad - it's been what, thirty-seven years now?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda
Thank you for the links, Nablusoss1008. I agree with you that this Swami carries and projects far more authority and natural poise than the other guru, and there is some similar vibe with Maharishi's. I'm only familiar with Swami Ganapati Satchidananda in passing; there was a poster here a year or two back who was very much involved with this gentleman and frequently exhorted folks to tune in to his message. But this is the first time I've looked and listened to him. He comes across as being a very traditional and conservative Indian guru, and I'm sure there was a time in my life's trajectory when I might have been drawn to his program and charisma; but not so much now. I'm aware that he's a big pujari and I've seen photos of him with the disputed Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, Swami Vasudevananda, (the one who was supported and endorsed by Maharishi) doing puja together on the banks of the Ganges. He's an interesting guy and I appreciate you sharing these videos with me, thanks. Marek --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: http://tinyurl.com/9vm4rb http://tinyurl.com/9vm4rb http://tinyurl.com/982ew7 http://tinyurl.com/982ew7 http://tinyurl.com/7veqh9 http://tinyurl.com/7veqh9 http://tinyurl.com/7ms7hn http://tinyurl.com/7ms7hn http://tinyurl.com/aymbws http://tinyurl.com/aymbws Your comments are welcome Marek
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?
yifuxero wrote: Your Neo-Advaitin admonitions such as Just Be don't hold much water in the face of your own experience Maybe, but after all, the ancient Vedic Rishis used to drink the Soma and the recipe was lost thousands of years ago, before they even got to India, but that hasn't stopped the Yogis from believing in the Vedas, has it? But I think the point is that you have to get high only once - alter your cosciousness a single time, and then you KNOW that things are not just as they appear. That, in itself, is a revelation worthy of any religion. You can 'cross over to the other shore' with a boat, but once you have crossed over, you would look very foolish if you carried your boat around on your head. Once enlightened, always enlightened. To be consistent, shouldn't you go around promoting shroom ingestion? Well, maybe, but I've always been a cactus man, chased with Tequila. In Indian mythology the Sanskrit word 'mela' means a 'festival' and 'Khumb' means a 'pot'. According to the Vedic literature, at the beginning of time, the Gods got together and churned the ocean to extract a substance which would confer immortality. The Gods agreed to share this mighty elixir, but one of them apparently absconded with the whole pot of Holy Ambrosia. Fleeing with the 'Nectar of the Gods', over the course of twelve days, the decoction Amrita was spilt onto four auspicious places, namely, Prayag, Hardwar, Ujjain, and Nasik. Read more: Subject: Nectar of the Gods? Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.meditation, alt.yoga, alt.magick.tantra, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy Date: Fri, Aug 6 2004 http://tinyurl.com/8r59z5 Subject: Nectar of the Gods? Part 2 Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.meditation, alt.yoga, alt.magick.tantra, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy Date: Tues, Aug 10 2004 6:16 pm http://tinyurl.com/6twla6 Subject: Some Fly Agaric Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Thurs, Jun 20 2002 http://tinyurl.com/9nvu47 'The Confessions of a Taco Eater' http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote: Thank you for the links, Nablusoss1008. I agree with you that this Swami carries and projects far more authority and natural poise than the other guru, and there is some similar vibe with Maharishi's. I'm only familiar with Swami Ganapati Satchidananda in passing; there was a poster here a year or two back who was very much involved with this gentleman and frequently exhorted folks to tune in to his message. But this is the first time I've looked and listened to him. He comes across as being a very traditional and conservative Indian guru, and I'm sure there was a time in my life's trajectory when I might have been drawn to his program and charisma; but not so much now. Agreed, since I already have a Guru. But he comes across as something very, very sweet and sincere as in this short lecture you might enjoy: http://tinyurl.com/7hqjbo Enjoy :-) He's an interesting guy and I appreciate you sharing these videos with me, thanks. Marek --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/9vm4rb http://tinyurl.com/9vm4rb http://tinyurl.com/982ew7 http://tinyurl.com/982ew7 http://tinyurl.com/7veqh9 http://tinyurl.com/7veqh9 http://tinyurl.com/7ms7hn http://tinyurl.com/7ms7hn http://tinyurl.com/aymbws http://tinyurl.com/aymbws Your comments are welcome Marek
[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: I often find it fascinating that someone declares someone to be or not be enlightened. When it comes from a hillbilly like curtis it goes beyond; it becomes hilarious. I was knocking a few back the other night with my main dog Maitreya and your name came up Nabbie. He refers to you as the priggish old Euro with American envy, anywhooo, he was laughing his ass off over all the stuff he has gotten you to believe about himself through the years with his Benji Creme pranks. Apparently they sit around all night knocking back 10 year old Port wine and Stilton cheese and high five-ing about what they are going to get you to swallow next. He got so tipsy telling the stories that he tried to get his old pal Mahesh on the phone at one point (who he used to trade Nabbie gullibility stories with) until I reminded him that he was dead. Then he got all sappy over how funny it was when good ol' Mahesh got you to believe you were flying while bouncing on your butt. (He does the most hilarious imitation of you flying BTW, think a seated Michael Jackson with epilepsy.) After the bartender got tired of wiping the bar after Maitreya kept shooting his Scottish Newcastle beer through his nose laughing at your ability to believe anything we were asked to hit the road Me back to my crib and Maitreya with a waitress just getting off duty. I heard him lay his rap on her as they headed out the door:I'm the Lord of the earth see baby, and someday I'll hold a press conference with the whole world and I'll give you a country of your own... which one would you like baby, cuz you're so fine... Haha, you are simply hilarious and it's evident why you prefer Elvis as King.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?
--thx. San Pedro cactus is legal and available as a botanical specimen, should anybody want some. (but I haven't had any in decades). I'll stick to whatever chemicals my body produces along with the herbals such as curcumin that have a rejuvenating (but non psychotropic) effect on the brain. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: yifuxero wrote: Your Neo-Advaitin admonitions such as Just Be don't hold much water in the face of your own experience Maybe, but after all, the ancient Vedic Rishis used to drink the Soma and the recipe was lost thousands of years ago, before they even got to India, but that hasn't stopped the Yogis from believing in the Vedas, has it? But I think the point is that you have to get high only once - alter your cosciousness a single time, and then you KNOW that things are not just as they appear. That, in itself, is a revelation worthy of any religion. You can 'cross over to the other shore' with a boat, but once you have crossed over, you would look very foolish if you carried your boat around on your head. Once enlightened, always enlightened. To be consistent, shouldn't you go around promoting shroom ingestion? Well, maybe, but I've always been a cactus man, chased with Tequila. In Indian mythology the Sanskrit word 'mela' means a 'festival' and 'Khumb' means a 'pot'. According to the Vedic literature, at the beginning of time, the Gods got together and churned the ocean to extract a substance which would confer immortality. The Gods agreed to share this mighty elixir, but one of them apparently absconded with the whole pot of Holy Ambrosia. Fleeing with the 'Nectar of the Gods', over the course of twelve days, the decoction Amrita was spilt onto four auspicious places, namely, Prayag, Hardwar, Ujjain, and Nasik. Read more: Subject: Nectar of the Gods? Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.meditation, alt.yoga, alt.magick.tantra, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy Date: Fri, Aug 6 2004 http://tinyurl.com/8r59z5 Subject: Nectar of the Gods? Part 2 Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.meditation, alt.yoga, alt.magick.tantra, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy Date: Tues, Aug 10 2004 6:16 pm http://tinyurl.com/6twla6 Subject: Some Fly Agaric Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Thurs, Jun 20 2002 http://tinyurl.com/9nvu47 'The Confessions of a Taco Eater' http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm
[FairfieldLife] A Passage to India
This is a magnificent and exquisitely wrought film, well nuanced and faithful in its adaptation of E.M. Forster's classic novel of the same name. Director David Lean, who had previously directed such cinematic triumphs as Bridge on the River Kwai and Lawrence of Arabia, outdid himself with this film, which was nominated for eleven Academy Awards and for which Peggy Ashcroft won an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress, as did Maurice Jarre for Best Score. Amazon Review: 'A Passage to India' Director David Lean http://tinyurl.com/7vmnmv
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Marek Reavis reavisma...@sbcglobal.netwrote: I'm only familiar with Swami Ganapati Satchidananda in passing; there was a poster here a year or two back who was very much involved with this gentleman and frequently exhorted folks to tune in to his message. But this is the first time I've looked and listened to him. Ya gotta visit his websites. They are a riot. For a mere $40 or there abouts he can perform a yagna that will make you healthy and wealthy. Wise isn't offered because the wise don't follow this guy. I remember a few years ago reading his offers for only a couple thousand USD to take people to see the jyotishis with the nadi leaves. I swear that whoever writes for this dude used to write for the National Lampoon or Mad Magazine. A real riot. Don't forget to visit Astroved and get a free Jyotish reading. This guy's a hoot. For this reason alone he should be honored because there's just not enough humor in the world to go around. Oh year. Don't forget to phat. I remember when he was teaching his flock how to spit out phat to remove evil. If only he could have the class that Maharishi had in erecting his 14 ring, multibillion dollar circus. Didya get that in each of his reincarnations he has turned himself into a being of light just like Babaji? How'd he do that then reincarnate into another form?
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Psilocybin research fits pretty well. uns wrote: What if... enquiry should have included the message ...without turning the subject into a deluded acid head. Some western people just can't deal with the idea of people getting spiritual by ingesting plant substances like the ancient Vedic Aryans did. There's a deep-seated prejudice in America against ritual trance-induction, unless its alcohol induced. In our western society some people have gotten to the point where otherwise decent, honest people resort to rank hypocrisy when even discussing the subject. The talk on the link below is Maharishi on Feb 7 1966 at the Kumbha Mela spiritual gathering in Allahabad India talking about psychedelics. Endorsing the notion that psychedelics are not foreign to eastern wisdom traditions. It was posted only a week ago (Dec 2008) online for the first time since it's recording, apparently out of someone's long forgotten attic archives. It is hard to get similar statements out of people in the present age. A variety of questioners try to coach him to say they are bad or illusory in some sense, but others support the idea that they catalyze authentic and valuable experience. Maharishi eventually says that it is possible for a drug to produce the experience of transcendental consciousness, and that could be what the vedas describe as soma that you eat. Tape two again begins with a question meant to lead Maharishi to say that entheogens are not authentic, but again he endorses the notion that they can be. Not, for the avoidance of doubt, that I would subscribe to the view that he knows anything more than anyone else about the subject. But it is an interesting sentiment from a representative of that culture, recorded before psychedelics became such a politicized topic; albeit after considerable effect of cultural globalization, but still prior to the extreme politicization of the psychedelic phenomenon. Talk #1 is 48 min long, at 23 min talk on psychedelics starts, at 34:40 the talk becomes particularly interesting, leaving the topic at 43 min. For long time members of the TM movement, Vernon Katz, an English devotee, is one of the people on the tape, and they mention Mother Olson, an LA devotee, as owner of a big American car. For those who are not aficionados of Indian Vedic literature, the Kali Yuga and Sat Yuga being referred to are features of the Vedic creation myths, akin to Genesis in the bible. Those myths suffer the same fate as the Bible's Genesis in that we now understand that the world was not built in 7 days, and nor has the human species been on earth for the untold millions of years that the Yugas, or epochs, of the Vedic creation myths specify. I mention those points to underscore the fact that I am under no illusion myself as to the degree to which one can take this endorsement to the bank to be deposited under so there. Only that it represents a member of that tradition considering the topic, according to his cultural background, his knowledge of the indigenous discussion of soma from the Sama Veda and other sources, at a time when denying that psychedelics were the soma that Aldous Huxley, Gordon Wasson and others suspected that they were, was not the polarizing and politicized topic that it later became. In fact Mahahishi at some point began requiring that one stop using drugs for 2 weeks before taking instruction in his meditation. Talk #2 is later the same day and is 5 min long and returns to the discussion on psychedelics at 3 min. http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19660207_KumbhaMela_2of3_Kali_yuga_psy chedelics_S.mp3 http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19660207_KumbhaMela_3of3_Kalki_psyche delics_S.mp3
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Marek Reavis reavisma...@...wrote: I'm only familiar with Swami Ganapati Satchidananda in passing; there was a poster here a year or two back who was very much involved with this gentleman and frequently exhorted folks to tune in to his message. But this is the first time I've looked and listened to him. Ya gotta visit his websites. They are a riot. For a mere $40 or there abouts he can perform a yagna that will make you healthy and wealthy. Wise isn't offered because the wise don't follow this guy. I remember a few years ago reading his offers for only a couple thousand USD to take people to see the jyotishis with the nadi leaves. I swear that whoever writes for this dude used to write for the National Lampoon or Mad Magazine. A real riot. Don't forget to visit Astroved and get a free Jyotish reading. This guy's a hoot. For this reason alone he should be honored because there's just not enough humor in the world to go around. Oh year. Don't forget to phat. I remember when he was teaching his flock how to spit out phat to remove Sorry, you are refferring to someone else, probably a fellow with a few siddhis. We're writing about the Guru: http://tinyurl.com/7hqjbo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM, metoostill metoost...@yahoo.com wrote: OK, if Maharishi said it's OK, then it's on the program. According to Erowid my buds (pun intended) and I need at most a pound and a half, fresh. So I figure a 6-7 foot cutting ought to do it. I assume you serve this just like nopalitos. As a Texan I know about those. Now I assume that St. Peter's Cactus is best eaten right before my buds and I go to do evening program, right? Will we be able to perform the sidhis better? Patanjali said that the sidhis can be performed from taking drugs or mental defect. I assume this counts as taking drugs, right?
[FairfieldLife] resveratrol targets cause of aging in mice.
http://www.life-enhancement.com/article_template.asp?ID=2056
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:59 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: Sorry, you are refferring to someone else, probably a fellow with a few siddhis. We're writing about the Guru: http://tinyurl.com/7hqjbo No, I got it right. I was referring to your previous find for us. The one where I have had my doubts about you but after seeing your first pick for Knower of Reality I was thereafter convinced. It was a pretty amusing choice, I gotta say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The dismantling of the TMO as we know it---KSCI TV station
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: In the Western Regional Office, I was in charge of the tapes to be sent out to centers for resi- dence courses and advanced lectures... Turq probably meant 'film' instead of 'tape', since recording to video tape for SCI didn't happen until the invention of the composite U-Matic by SONY in 1971. The first consumer videocassette recorders were launched in 1971. Apparently most of SCI was recorded on film in the early days and on videotape later, after 1972. But this is reaching way back into the mist of time, so I'm not sure. There were some Marshy TV stations back then around the L.A. area - Turq might know more about this. But I had a little 16MM Bolex back then, and I think I was one of the first people to record the Marshy on film. When Jerry Jarvis saw my film he wanted to create a whole series and call them 'SCI. BillyG may know something more about those early times. You must mean something other than SCI here. The Science of Creative Intelligence wasn't offered until 1972. Or are you just compressing time here? Read more: Subject: Re: Question-willytex From: Ken Hassman Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Dear Friends, Somthing I can share about KSCI, since I ran the crew that built the transmitter on top of the mountain, the San Burnadino mountains. It was a lot of fun, but being metal we were shut down some days as fire danger was to hight to burn or weild. Anyway, when the inauguration of the station took place we, the crew was invited. we also got to go to the Merv Griffin shows. Anyway Maharishi came and the studio was invatation only but still full. Kinny Loggins came and sang a song run river run to MMY and it was a big hit of his at the time, but it took on a whole new meaning when he sang it, like wow man, this cosmic river flowing through everything. The TMO never really used KSCI to anywhere near it's potential, selling time to spanish language shows mostly. But, as licenses became much harder to get, the place became quite valuable just for that. So typical of MMY he sold it and of course many many millions on the deal. So many of the TMO's greatest places were sold, and they were going successfully for the movement, just MMY would rather have the money, which is of course my personal opinion. I do miss the good old days, but everything changes but me. Sincerely, Chris Date: 2000/01/30 http://tinyurl.com/a4bbjh I think the SCI course was filmed or recorded on video in Fiuggi in May of 1972. THe TV station in LA was called KSCI. When the TMO finally sold it, I think they made a great deal of money since the value of the small stations had increased substantially over those years. Yep. I remember going over there (West LA) the night they went on the air. I was working and living at the Sunset Blvd. center at the time. We really thought we were on the cup of taking over the world!
Re: [FairfieldLife] resveratrol targets cause of aging in mice.
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:06 PM, yifuxero yifux...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.life-enhancement.com/article_template.asp?ID=2056 Ain't y'all gonna learn that we have cured cancer, aging, baldness, waxy yellow buildup, you name it, in mice. Man's a whole different creature. Cancer, aging, baldness and the like are challenges in humans because after you've fostered your brood evolution has no use for you. So it doesn't matter if you age, die of cancer or lose all your hair. These aren't features of natural selection.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM, metoostill metoost...@... wrote: OK, if Maharishi said it's OK, then it's on the program. According to Erowid my buds (pun intended) and I need at most a pound and a half, fresh. So I figure a 6-7 foot cutting ought to do it. I assume you serve this just like nopalitos. As a Texan I know about those. Now I assume that St. Peter's Cactus is best eaten right before my buds and I go to do evening program, right? Will we be able to perform the sidhis better? Patanjali said that the sidhis can be performed from taking drugs or mental defect. I assume this counts as taking drugs, right? Any cactus based buzz will be accompanied by the sidhi of high velocity projectile vomiting and a state of bakti towards the porcelain throne of the technicolor yawn!
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?
--Trichocereus pachanoi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_pedro_cactus Contains mescaline. A cutting of only a few inches will be fine. No need to overdo it. Just get a sharp knife and remove the leathery skin; but scrape off the dark colored plant cells adhering to the inside of the skin, placing it in a pot of boiling water with the rest of it. Cook for a while until a foamy froth comes to the top. Cool and discard the froth; drinking the rest. Enjoy. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM, metoostill metoost...@... wrote: OK, if Maharishi said it's OK, then it's on the program. According to Erowid my buds (pun intended) and I need at most a pound and a half, fresh. So I figure a 6-7 foot cutting ought to do it. I assume you serve this just like nopalitos. As a Texan I know about those. Now I assume that St. Peter's Cactus is best eaten right before my buds and I go to do evening program, right? Will we be able to perform the sidhis better? Patanjali said that the sidhis can be performed from taking drugs or mental defect. I assume this counts as taking drugs, right?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:59 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: Sorry, you are refferring to someone else, probably a fellow with a few siddhis. We're writing about the Guru: http://tinyurl.com/7hqjbo No, I got it right. I was referring to your previous find for us. There was a mixup of names, (Dattatreya) and since I never claimed enlightenment I admit to make (a few, very minor ;-) mistakes. I already posted youtuberecordings of the fellow Marek and I are writing about several times. I'm sorry you did not catch this. This is the fellow, and you won't find any cheap sellings of anything here: http://www.dattapeetham.com/home.html http://tinyurl.com/7hqjbo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:28 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: This is the fellow, and you won't find any cheap sellings of anything here: http://www.dattapeetham.com/home.html http://tinyurl.com/7hqjbo I'm sure that's right. This knowledge doesn't come cheap. I learned that from HH. I remember telling a new sidha (who went the many weeks of prep course rounding then the 8 weeks of in residence rounding route) that up until Maharishi announced the sidhis I had always thought of him as a /cheap/ hustler. My friend mutter how true, how true.
[FairfieldLife] Re: resveratrol targets cause of aging in mice.
--thx...my approach. First, conduct a thorough google search of the more advanced cancer clinics which offer experimental (or actual) programs using alternative supplements. There are about half a dozen such clinics spread around the U.S. such as UCLA, Sloane-Kettering, Mayo Clinic, MD Anderson Research, one place in SF associated with the Univ. CA at SF. Your google search must be thorough enough to go beyond a thin veil of secrecy surrounding such research, with a view to coming up with a list of the substances being given to patients. You will find a short list common to all the clinics, including curcumin, EGCG, and the sulfur-bearing compounds found in cruciferous veggies. However, a more intensive level of research will reveal that ordinary curcumin or resveratrol will not be powerful enough to cure the average cancer patient. LEF markets BCM-95 curcumin which is 8X more bioavailable than ordinary. Also, the Co. named below has nano curcumin which may be the most effective. Next, find a cancer patient and convince her/him to take the supplements, as I have done. Then wait for the patient to go into remission. (mission accomplished for the time being, but one must have an ongoing program to prevent recurrence). Thus, although the unorthodox experiments usually mention mice rather than men; one must read between the lines to find out that some of the most advanced clinics in the US have programs with human patients. For various reasons though, the results of such experiments may not be published in standard journals. aveedo - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:06 PM, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: http://www.life-enhancement.com/article_template.asp?ID=2056 Ain't y'all gonna learn that we have cured cancer, aging, baldness, waxy yellow buildup, you name it, in mice. Man's a whole different creature. Cancer, aging, baldness and the like are challenges in humans because after you've fostered your brood evolution has no use for you. So it doesn't matter if you age, die of cancer or lose all your hair. These aren't features of natural selection.
[FairfieldLife] Trinidad Hanuman Helicopter Abhishekam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1XJ58hl6sMfeature=related Enjoy ! :-)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda
L. Shaddai, the guy you're talking about sounds like the first guy that Nablusoss1008 posted a YouTube video for, then corrected the error and posted some videos of a more mainstream pujari. The first guy was talking about becoming a being of light every incarnation; he was the guy whose noisy breathing I mentioned, and I agree that his shtick looked and sounded pretty hokey and even Simpson-esque. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Marek Reavis reavisma...@...wrote: I'm only familiar with Swami Ganapati Satchidananda in passing; there was a poster here a year or two back who was very much involved with this gentleman and frequently exhorted folks to tune in to his message. But this is the first time I've looked and listened to him. Ya gotta visit his websites. They are a riot. For a mere $40 or there abouts he can perform a yagna that will make you healthy and wealthy. Wise isn't offered because the wise don't follow this guy. I remember a few years ago reading his offers for only a couple thousand USD to take people to see the jyotishis with the nadi leaves. I swear that whoever writes for this dude used to write for the National Lampoon or Mad Magazine. A real riot. Don't forget to visit Astroved and get a free Jyotish reading. This guy's a hoot. For this reason alone he should be honored because there's just not enough humor in the world to go around. Oh year. Don't forget to phat. I remember when he was teaching his flock how to spit out phat to remove evil. If only he could have the class that Maharishi had in erecting his 14 ring, multibillion dollar circus. Didya get that in each of his reincarnations he has turned himself into a being of light just like Babaji? How'd he do that then reincarnate into another form?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:28 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: This is the fellow, and you won't find any cheap sellings of anything here: http://www.dattapeetham.com/home.html http://tinyurl.com/7hqjbo I'm sure that's right. This knowledge doesn't come cheap. I learned that from HH. I remember telling a new sidha (who went the many weeks of prep course rounding then the 8 weeks of in residence rounding route) that up until Maharishi announced the sidhis I had always thought of him as a /cheap/ hustler. My friend mutter how true, how true. I think Maharishi should have presented the Sidhi-Programme for 100.000 Euros minimum. Even that would be cheap and He would not have gotten all these dead-wood whiners onboard.
[FairfieldLife] the Nirmanakaya
Although everything is by nature empty, this emptiness is not the mere vacuity of empty space or an empty vessel. Happiness, sufferings, all sorts of feelings and perceptions appear endlessly like reflected images in the mind. This reflection-like appearance of phenomena is called the Nirmanakaya. --from Enlightened Courage: An Explanation of the Seven-Point Mind Training by Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche, translated by The Padmakara Translation Group, published by Snow Lion Publications
[FairfieldLife] Blazing Wisdom
http://www.blazingwisdom.org/
[FairfieldLife] The Highwaymen
Willy Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Johnny Cash and Kris Kristofferson assert that they'll be back again and again and again... http://www.4shared.com/file/80862491/eac90585/The_Highwaymen__Willie_Nelson_Waylon_Jennings_Johnny_Cash.html http://tinyurl.com/7o56p5 BTW, I spend about 4 years in Boulder, CO (kept my residence in Texas, of course). I kept looking for the wild Colorado mentioned in the song. After years of searching, a friend of mine sent me a post card from Boulder, Nevada. Nevermind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rigged Trials at Gitmo: Air Force Major David Frakt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: John posted: The Rigged Trials at Gitmo Apparently 61 of those freed from Club Gitmo are back on the battlefield. snip .or more likely, trying to survive, driving a cab.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Apple now has the thinnest, lightest CEO on the market.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: Steve Jobs announced in an email today to Apple Computer that he is taking off at least until June because his health issues are more complex than he first thought. Isn't Steve Jobs a meditator? Steve Jobs studied with Zen Buddhist monk Kobun Chino Otogowa in the 80's and 90's. Chino also presided over Steve's wedding to Laurene in 1991. What his current practice is, I do not know. I suspect he continues to take refuge in the Dharma. Whether he was ever a TMer I do not know. It is possible his current illness is extremely serious. His bout with pancreatic cancer in 2004 gives one pause. I hope he lives to a ripe old age.
[FairfieldLife] was: MIT Blackjack. now: Shemp pierces delusions of grandeur
Shemp at his best - he blows away the MIT delusions of grandeur. Great, focused, unrelenting post, Shemp. Thanks. -Mainstream --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: big snip.. But what happens when the dealer's turn comes and HE goes over 21? Well, he may lose against any player that is still in the game (those who held at 21 or under)...but EVEN THOUGH HE, THE DEALER, HAS TIED THE PLAYER WHO ALSO WENT OVER 21, HE HAS COLLECTED THAT PLAYER'S MONEY ALREADY...HE DOESN'T GIVE IT BACK TO HIM EVEN THOUGH THEY TIED!!! That, my friends, is the SOLE advantage the house has in Blackjack and the SOLE basis for the house making money in Blackjack. And it's also why the MIT people -- even with card counting -- will never, ever beat the house (and despite what the movie and the book may have told you, they didn't beat the house in the long run).
[FairfieldLife] Nithyananda, Leader of the Lingams defaces Arunachala Mtn.
and other Guruphiliac news by Jody: http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ He says that Swami Prakashanand Saraswati is awaiting trial for groping.
[FairfieldLife] Sakyong and his wife
http://www.mipham.com/home.php
[FairfieldLife] Turq's Childish Fantasy -- was/// WHAT IF?
Turq...you have it all backwards. The more neurons firing in the brain is associated with more awareness. When you are in deep sleep, you have fewer neurons firing. When you are awake less than 20% of your neurons are firing. When you are in those moments of rare awareness that everyone naturally experiences a few times in their lives, no matter who, then you have MUCH more neurons firing in your brain. When you die, almost all the neurons in your brain fire all at once, more than at any other time. Therefore, based on previous statements of established fact above, you are experienceing THE MOST PERCEPTIVE instant in your life.at the point of death. All those standing around your deathbed are in a time and space zone of MUCH lesser awareness perception, and are saying oh dear...he's dead Whereas, you, at the point of death, are in the MUCH higher awareness that is not subject to their time constraints, nor space contraints. You are, at that point, immortal...meaning the point is an illusion, and you are unbounded and supremely eternal and perfect, whereas they are stuck in their point world of local time amd space. They think you are the one that is dead, but they in fact, are in a relatively fleeting existence of weak-neauronal stregth, whereas the truth that takes place in your brain at the point of death is that your consciousness experiences immortality. They (and you) will call that an illusion. To say that their limited view at that point is correct, and they say it is only an instant, and your experience of incredible bliss and eternity is wrong, is absurd, childish, irrational and naive. Time is known by sciece to be only a construct. The ignorant guide their lives by it. The point of death is an istant to the mortal, but to the dying person...it is perfect and unbounded in time and space. The latter is the supreior view according to science, which INSTISTS that the more neurons firing, the more perceptive and awake a person is. I am not sure anyone on FFL can understand what I just said, but these are the facts, not some speculation bullshit that you guys are in the prison of discussing in this thread. Try to understand what I said. I do not think you can, and if you do I will be surprised. The illusion of chemicals affecting the brain is an illusion. The point of death proves this according to scientific observations. All the neurons fire at once...which would be the Holy Grail of any scientist if they could reproduce this in a living human. They cannot...not even close. Try to go beyond your prejudices to see what I am saying. The point of death is not a point. It is only a chemical/neuronal point (like any other point in life) to those who are locked into the time-prison. In reality, the person dying experiences all neurons firing at once... ALMOST TOTAL awarenes and perception of reality, compared to any other time in life. This latter is the reality, the other is illusion. The illusion-imprisoned people standing around your deathbed THINK that what they see - the body dying, etc - is the reality, but it is not. The neurons of your brain have already charted a different path for the dying man. His neurons have already CREATED a different and MORE COMPLETE universe. The others, due to their inferior neuronal activity as they watch you diehave a limited and less real and less powerful universe. These are the functionings of the brain and the neurons, and until you can understand how ass-backward the view of death is in this age of lack of understanding and that it requires a rational analysis of the observations, then you will not understand that the chemical world IS an expression of the abstract being. Logic and science prove this without possible contradiction. You cannot contradict it in any rational manner. The more aware (fully wake, perceptive) you are, the more neurons are firing. The only time of life that almost all neurons fire is at the point of death...according to science. You need to go beyond your brain-washing here, to understand that it is the EXACT opposite of what you suggested in your post. Your brain-washing will deny the science and logic of this...but it will never be able to survive these established facts. Try to suppress your ego and see what this means. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: WHAT IF THERE WERE A DRUG THAT: * Activated the part of the brain that scientists now associate with a person having subjective experiences of a spiritual nature? * Activated the part of the brain that causes us to see everything around us in terms of Unity (as described so well by the female brain scientist who had a stroke)? * Chemically provided the subjective experience that you were somehow witnessing your own thoughts and actions, or were experiencing something you couldn't describe but felt to be transcendent at all times? *
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: WHAT IF THERE WERE A DRUG THAT: * Activated the part of the brain that scientists now associate with a person having subjective experiences of a spiritual nature... Years ago I posted to Usenet several comments describing my experience searching for the mysterious and legendary substance, the so-called 'magic' mushroom, mentioned by Carlos Casteneda in his great book about don Juan, 'A Yaqui Way of Knowledge'. In late 1971 I went down to Mexico with Carlos Casteneda and Oscar Ichazo, whom I had met at Esalen, but we didn't find any magic mushrooms growing in the wild. However, at a party someone, probably don Juan, gave me a taco to eat that was laced with 'fly agaric'. When I found out I almost gagged on the spot. D'oh! I've always been a Cactus man, chased with Tequila. Anyway, although I spit out the offending fungus right away, it was too late; the psychoactive ingredients were already taking their effect on me: to alter my very state of conciousness. Suddenly, I transcended and I saw and experienced the entire cosmos as a Divine Bi-Unity, inter-related, just like the Net of Lord Indra. I realized that we are all inter-connected and I became enlightened on the spot. This is scary. Sounds exactly like Jay Lathom just before he excommunicated himself. Willytex...get back to simplicity, get out of Texas. You are on a dead end road. Go back to Fairfield at all costs. Last chance. OffWorld Then, standing right in front of me, appeared the Creator God of Volcanos and His wife, the beautiful Wisdom Sophia, their son Baal, and their daughter Ashley. I realized that existence, is, in Reality, a great big family affair! Read more: A preliminary, annotated hagiography of past gleaning positioning endeavors, with some appended statements: 'The Confessions of a Taco Eater' http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Psilocybin research fits pretty well. uns wrote: What if... enquiry should have included the message ...without turning the subject into a deluded acid head. Some western people just can't deal with the idea of people getting spiritual by ingesting plant substances like the ancient Vedic Aryans did. Yes they can. Westerners are VERY good at believing such things. The thing is WillyTex, YOU ARE NOT a Rishi partaking of the Soma plant, and you did not get enlighted at a 60's hippy party in texas where you took some substance and thought that Don Juan gave it to you. Lol...this is great stuff ! OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda
you have him mixed up with Sri Siva' baba whatnot, an ex-Tm who is obvious in his money making take on MMY with a south Indian Tamil flavour to the ruse. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Marek Reavis reavisma...@...wrote: I'm only familiar with Swami Ganapati Satchidananda in passing; there was a poster here a year or two back who was very much involved with this gentleman and frequently exhorted folks to tune in to his message. But this is the first time I've looked and listened to him. Ya gotta visit his websites. They are a riot. For a mere $40 or there abouts he can perform a yagna that will make you healthy and wealthy. Wise isn't offered because the wise don't follow this guy. I remember a few years ago reading his offers for only a couple thousand USD to take people to see the jyotishis with the nadi leaves. I swear that whoever writes for this dude used to write for the National Lampoon or Mad Magazine. A real riot. Don't forget to visit Astroved and get a free Jyotish reading. This guy's a hoot. For this reason alone he should be honored because there's just not enough humor in the world to go around. Oh year. Don't forget to phat. I remember when he was teaching his flock how to spit out phat to remove evil. If only he could have the class that Maharishi had in erecting his 14 ring, multibillion dollar circus. Didya get that in each of his reincarnations he has turned himself into a being of light just like Babaji? How'd he do that then reincarnate into another form?
[FairfieldLife] Check out my Facebook profile
Hi FairfieldLife, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, Sadhu To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=1125621275k=46CXX5V5TYWM5BG1T133WTr
