[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology reading for seventhray

[Ravi Yogi]

Thanks Steve.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> Thank  you Rav.  I have assigned a 3-Star system with the exception of
> one item which I gave 5 stars.  Overall I feel the analysis sort of
> missed the mark with the exception of the summary statement which I felt
> was 100% accurate.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Since chart reading can be a never ending tiresome exercise I will
> just
> > focus on my strengths which is personality analysis - areas of
> strengths
> > and weaknesses. Let me know how I did, since you didn't mind the
> > initial reading to be in public I'm posting it to FFL.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > A note of caution - I have pointed out areas of strengths and
> challenges
> > as indicated by the positions. It's quite possible that you have
> > identified and worked on dealing with the challenges since you are a
> > mature adult now but I have laid them out as I see it in your chart.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Not sure how comfortable you are with astrological jargon but I can't
> > resist using them.
> >
> >
> >
> > The rising sign is Virgo which indicates a service oriented nature sou
> ***l,
> > someone who is humble unassuming *** and a caring perfectionist *. You
> are
> > keenly observant of your environment and pay attention to details that
> > others would miss. *** The ascendant lord Mercury in the 8th house
> with Sun
> > shows the powerful influence in your functioning.You have a very sharp
> > penetrating intellect * and powerful intuition **. You arevery quick
> to grasp
> > people's motivations **, developing strategies and subjects requiring
> > research and investigation *.
> >
> >
> >
> > 8th house also represents the metaphysical and this would explain your
> > strong interest in spirituality. You love to explore the deeper
> meaning
> > in life, going beyond the ordinary sensory experiences, unexplored,
> > hidden, or taboos. *** 8thhouse is using the powerful creative energy
> to
> > heal, transform and rejuvenate. ** The 8th house is colored by the
> sign of
> > Aries – you are bold, energetic, independent, and quick to take
> > initiative in the areas of metaphysics or anything that requires deep
> > research *, more of a sprinter than marathon runner ** , love
> challenges *. You
> > get bored with minute details because of your ability to see the big
> > picture right away **. You don't like to get stuck in a rut and are
> > eager to move forward.  ** Sun conjunct Mercury indicates much mental
> > energy.  ** You are a strong thinker and proud of it. *  You love to
> explore
> > hidden meaning in different angles at a high level without getting
> stuck
> > in details. ** You have a strong belief in destiny.  ***
> >
> >
> >
> > The other important combination is the Mars and Jupiter opposition
> along
> > the 5th-11thaxis. Both Mars and Jupiter are exalted and Mars and
> Jupiter
> > is a good combination here and you are bold and energetic.  ** Mars in
> the
> > 5th house indicates you love action, sports, being competitive.  
> The
> > position of Mars indicates you are a very level headed guy in control
> of
> > your emotions with lot of self control, your energy is well directed
> > towards goal oriented pursuits. *
> >
> >
> > Jupiter in the 11th house indicates you are a very noble, charitable
> > humanitarian and you love friends, social gatherings and circles. *
> > Usually Jupiter here indicates association with
> spiritual/philosophical
> > groups because of the Jupiterian qualities of knowledge, wisdom,
> > generosity and an eagerness to share this. ** You have a lot to offer
> in
> > spiritual groups or circles. **
> >
> >
> >
> > Now coming to the nodes Rahu & Ketu that I pay close attention to.
> Rahu
> > shows the areas of entrapment, the cause of rebirth, the things that
> > keep you bound and Ketu shows moksha or liberation. Rahu shows where
> you
> > are trying to grab or overcorrect, Rahu and Ketu are always opposite
> to
> > each other, so Ketu shows the area where there is a void that you need
> > to fill for your spiritual progress, liberation from the material
> plane.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sautrn in the 3rdhouse shows your difficulty in taking a stand and
> > taking initiative.  * You may bea man of few words  *** and coming
> across as
> > cold, distant and reserved.  * The nodes along 3rd/9th axis show that
> you
> > avoid confrontation and conflict  *** and find it very hard to a take
> a moral
> > stand or decision. *  You may be overwhelmed by mental overload to the
> > point where you may not commit to anything which might cause problems
> to
> > others around you.  ** You might have lot of conflict and battles in
> the
> > mind which might leave you exhausted.  ** You most likely wouldn't
> want
> > to offend anyone and use logic to avoid taking a stand. **
> >
> >
> >
> > Venus, the planet of love, emotions and refinement is a

[FairfieldLife] what were they thinking?

[Yifu]

http://omg.yahoo.com/photos/what-were-they-thinking/4764?nc#OmgPhoid=1

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Yifu]

I don't believe the Waking Down people are Neo-A's...they don't fit into that 
set. On the contrary, I would categorize them as "realists".
Nor are they self-abnegators.
http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/green-mermaid.jpg


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> >
> > 
> > > and it
> > > > > > > > > > addressed 'embodiment', which was great for the Bonder > 
> > > > > > > > > > people who were
> > > > > > > > > > there.  I walked out with one of them.  she was prepared 
> > > > > > > > > > not to like him but
> > > > > > > > > > loved him after.
> > 
> > 
> > AdyaShanti did an amazingly good job skating a line between asking the 
> > career transcendenatlist TB'ers to do something with their transcendent  
> > and then asking the waking-downers to meditate some more so they could do 
> > something more spiritually.   It was a subtle imploring of both groups.  He 
> > was good.  Of course the TM'ers are thinking he's just one of those no-good 
> > concentrators, and the Waking-downers thinking people already got it and 
> > don't need no stinking meditation no more.  AdyaS is sitting there saying 
> > "okay you got the transcendent, it starts from there; sit with it some more 
> > and look in to it some more".  He handled both groups really well.  He did 
> > Fairfield really well.  
> > 
> > 
> >
> 
> Both groups.  This is an interesting thing in the undertow related to the 
> communal FF dome meditation numbers for instance.  There is a desire to have 
> large numbers meditating and then on the other hand is the eschewing of even 
> a need for further meditation coming out of the waking-down camp 
> (neo-advaitain) movement.  That has been worked at as a position for a few 
> years in the newage.  AdyaShanti is evidently on the move as a counter-force 
> more than subtly advocating against this from behind their lines as one of 
> them.  He's amazing to watch.  
>  
> 
> > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "The qualities of the Unified Field, as derived from the Lagrangian 
> > > (mathematical description of the Unified Field), are found to be 
> > > developing in the individual through the regular practice of Meditation." 
> > >  -MMY
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Situation

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> It's almost as if they deliberately chose a piece that
> would be sure to prove their elitist point. They
> stacked the deck big-time.


That was my impression.  I am not sure what point were they driving to
prove.  I think just fancy cocktail dinner talk.

[FairfieldLife] Zen humor

[Yifu Xero]

---
Subject: Zen humor


http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Zen_Humor.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Joe]

Well put Alex. I started to fade on the idea in the late 70s after 6 or 7 years 
of hearing that the "next big course" was the one, the big one, the one that 
will really put you over. I went full tilt at it for as long as I could, but 
man, am I ever glad I took my foot off the imaginary spiritual accelerator 
pedal and refocused my life on the things that really bring pleasure to me, 
like capturing music.

That's not to say I dislike TM. I do it every morning for one reason only. It 
feels good and I like it.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And oh those poor Bonder people.  What are we going to do for
> > > > > > > > them?  That embodiment stuff.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What's your beef with embodiment? Are you suggesting that 
> > > > > > > spiritual awakening should involve being disembodied?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Alex, I have no earthly idea what the term 
> > > > > > "embodiment" means to Waking Down folks, but
> > > > > > when you think about it, "spiritual awakening 
> > > > > > should involve being disembodied" is EXACTLY
> > > > > > what people who seek an end to reincarnation
> > > > > > believe in. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Whether they've examined the belief deeply or
> > > > > > not, it seems to me that anyone who has bought
> > > > > > into the "no longer incarnating is 'better' 
> > > > > > than reincarnating" stuff has bought into the
> > > > > > notion that physical existence is somehow on 
> > > > > > a 'lesser' plane than the transcendental.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I don't buy it, and didn't even back when I was
> > > > > > a TM TB and Maharishi was giving his, "Nope, no
> > > > > > matter what, if you die in CC there is no coming
> > > > > > back, period" talks. I heard them "live." If you
> > > > > > listen to the tapes, you can probably hear a 
> > > > > > really loud guffaw when he says this. That was
> > > > > > me. It seemed to me then that anyone who sought
> > > > > > an end to incarnation was more than a little
> > > > > > life-averse, and had just never figured out
> > > > > > what a blast life is. Haven't changed my mind
> > > > > > in the years since.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Eastern spirituality very often does involve trying very hard to not 
> > > > > "be here now" exactly as now is. There's a lot of focus on creating a 
> > > > > glorified and perfected I/me story of the future and/or simply 
> > > > > disregarding the I/me story and the relative world in general as 
> > > > > unimportant. IMO, that's just escapism. 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > You opinion of what Eastern spirituality is BS.
> > > 
> > > Your opinion of my opinion is BS.
> > >
> > 
> > Whatever dude, it's the oldest trick - if you have to sell something you 
> > need to make others stuff look bad. You may be proud of it, sorry for 
> > stating the obvious.
> >
> 
> I'm not selling anything. I stated an opinion based on my observations of 
> having lived in FF for almost 29 years. In the TM world, enlightenment is 
> always this exalted state of future perfection that requires endless years of 
> doing program twice a day. The TM model of tiptoeing around sleeping 
> elephants perfectly demonstrates the TM world escapism of not being here now 
> and directly addressing what is. A few years ago, the Hare Krishnas paraded 
> around the farmers market, handing out pamphlets. I looked at one, and it was 
> all about how we need to be celibate vegetarians and chant the maha-mantra so 
> that we can have better lives in future incarnations. Other traditions are 
> focused on cultivating futures full of esoteric experiences, rainbow bodies, 
> states of samadhi, etc. Which is not to say that self-improvement is wrong, 
> but it can be every bit an awakening-obstructing attachment as sex, food, 
> drugs, money, etc.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Neo-Advaita revisited

[Peter]

That's a great article!

--- On Fri, 4/22/11, Yifu  wrote:

> From: Yifu 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Neo-Advaita revisited
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 8:20 PM
> on "Eastern Spirituality"...imo:
> there's Advaita and Pseudo-Advaita (or Neo-A), not East or
> West. 
> ...
> Neo-A revisited...
> http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/neo-advaita.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Buck]

>
> 
> > and it
> > > > > > > > > addressed 'embodiment', which was great for the Bonder > 
> > > > > > > > > people who were
> > > > > > > > > there.  I walked out with one of them.  she was prepared not 
> > > > > > > > > to like him but
> > > > > > > > > loved him after.
> 
> 
> AdyaShanti did an amazingly good job skating a line between asking the career 
> transcendenatlist TB'ers to do something with their transcendent  and then 
> asking the waking-downers to meditate some more so they could do something 
> more spiritually.   It was a subtle imploring of both groups.  He was good.  
> Of course the TM'ers are thinking he's just one of those no-good 
> concentrators, and the Waking-downers thinking people already got it and 
> don't need no stinking meditation no more.  AdyaS is sitting there saying 
> "okay you got the transcendent, it starts from there; sit with it some more 
> and look in to it some more".  He handled both groups really well.  He did 
> Fairfield really well.  
> 
> 
>

Both groups.  This is an interesting thing in the undertow related to the 
communal FF dome meditation numbers for instance.  There is a desire to have 
large numbers meditating and then on the other hand is the eschewing of even a 
need for further meditation coming out of the waking-down camp (neo-advaitain) 
movement.  That has been worked at as a position for a few years in the newage. 
 AdyaShanti is evidently on the move as a counter-force more than subtly 
advocating against this from behind their lines as one of them.  He's amazing 
to watch.  
 

> 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > 
> > 
> > "The qualities of the Unified Field, as derived from the Lagrangian 
> > (mathematical description of the Unified Field), are found to be developing 
> > in the individual through the regular practice of Meditation."  -MMY
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Saniel Bonder and Waking Down

[Yifu]

http://integrallife.com/editorial/introducing-saniel-bonder

[FairfieldLife] Emerald Butterfly

[Yifu]

http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/emerald-butterfly.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Tale of the Tub - 3 stages of Humanity

[Yifu]

Woodcut, 1705; from Jonathan Swift's "Tale of the Tub": 3 stages of Humanity - 
the theater, gallows, and pulpit.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/Tale-stages.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Just in C.C.'??

[Yifu]

...that sounds like the "fuzzy C" experienced by many TM'ers; doesn't match 
traditional accounts. Let's hear it from somebody in CC. Don't be shy. This is 
a topic worth examining in greater detail, since MMY imo has short-thrifted us 
when it comes to signposts. Need more good texts like that "Kundalini care" 
book.

http://www.startlingart.com/Viewer.asp?ImageSource=fine_art&FileName=Adhering


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert"  wrote:
>
> I think anyone who has the experience of 'Witnessing' is in CC.
> Anyone who has the experience of 'no mantra, no thoughts' is the beginning of 
> CC.
> I believe CC is cultivated the minute one starts TM and notices that there is 
> a greater and greater awareness of pure consciousness, as the mantra refines 
> and is transcended...
> 
> R.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Anyone know anyone, who is just in CC.??
> > >
> > 
> > Fred Travis interviewed and then measured physiological parameters, of a 
> > bunch of people who claimed to have been witnessing continuously 24/7 for 
> > at least one year and published his findings in a scientific journal.
> > 
> > Just what do you mean by "CC?"
> > 
> > 
> > Lawson
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Ravi Yogi]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
 wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I'm not selling anything. I stated an opinion based on my observations
of having lived in FF for almost 29 years. In the TM world,
enlightenment is always this exalted state of future perfection that
requires endless years of doing program twice a day. The TM model of
tiptoeing around sleeping elephants perfectly demonstrates the TM world
escapism of not being here now and directly addressing what is. A few
years ago, the Hare Krishnas paraded around the farmers market, handing
out pamphlets. I looked at one, and it was all about how we need to be
celibate vegetarians and chant the maha-mantra so that we can have
better lives in future incarnations. Other traditions are focused on
cultivating futures full of esoteric experiences, rainbow bodies, states
of samadhi, etc. Which is not to say that self-improvement is wrong, but
it can be every bit an awakening-obstructing attachment as sex, food,
drugs, money, etc.
>

Well yes that's true but I wouldn't associate this behavior with the
true essence of  the Eastern spirituality which is well captured in
scriptures like Tripura Rahasya which makes clear that the outer doesn't
have any relation to the inner. It describes a city full of jivanmuktas
engaged in their daily activity according to their samskara and dharma. 
Its quite for a common for seekers to make enlightenment in to an
achievement or a goal and into confusing outer spiritual disciplines to
be indicative of the inner transformation but I would never say this is
all Eastern Spirituality is about. The life-abnegating focus of Hinduism
is only of a more modern origin with the likes of Buddhism,
Gandhi/Catholics and the like. The only complete avatar in Hinduim is
Lord Krishna who enjoyed life in its all glory.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus "self-deceived"?

[Robert]

Actually, the one called 'John Lennon' was 'John the Baptist'...
In that previous incarnation...
Just my two cents...

R.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Judy, it couldn't have been John the Baptist. We all know he came back as 
> John 
> the Hagelin. Besides, where did JTB get his enlightenment from?< The 
> *hypocrites* I refer to are Christians in general, at least that is the 
> perception or accusation of some on this list and to some degree there is 
> some truth there. I can attest that I've never known a perfect Christian nor 
> a 
> perfect anything. But as M says, even a sick doctor can give out medicine. 
>  3-14."For 
> only I, the Son of Man,have come to earth and will return to heaven again. 
> And 
> as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so I, the 
> Son 
> of Man, must be lifted up on a pole, so that everyone who believes in me will 
> have eternal life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so 
> that 
> everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God did 
> not 
> send his Son into the world to condemn it, but to save it. There is no 
> judgment 
> awaiting those who trust him. But those who do not trust him have already 
> been 
> judged for not believing in the only Son of God. Their judgment is based on 
> this 
> fact: The light from heaven came into the world, but they loved the darkness 
> more than the light, for their actions were evil. They hate the light because 
> they want to sin in darkness. They stay away from the light for fear their 
> sins 
> will be exposed and they will be punished. But those who do what is right 
> come 
> to the light gladly, so everyone can see that they are doing what God wants." 
> These are the words of Jesus according to John,his best friend.< Yes, maybe 
> one 
> can have Moksha and Salvation. Yes, maybe there is reincarnation and it could 
> take many lives to get a shot at either. Some times we have to finish falling 
> to 
> the bottom before we can begin to crawl out. And Christ said that the end, 
> the 
> last chance, will not come till all the world has heard the Gospel. However, 
> we 
> now live in a time when that is now possible. He also said to know the 
> parable 
> of the fig tree. When the fig tree (Israel) begins to bud, know that 
> generation(baby boomers) will not perish before all these things(end times) 
> come 
> to pass.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 8:48:15 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus "self-deceived"?
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> >
> > The problem I see with Jesus being a man in UC,according to
> > M's teaching, is that you need a master in UC to bring you
> > into that awareness. The master enlightens the disciple with
> > the Mahavakya, I am that, Thou art That, all This is That
> > and nothing but That Is. I don't see any figures in Jesus'
> > life to fit that bill.
> 
> John the Baptist?
> 
> Or what about during the "missing years"?
> 
> I'm not convinced it *has* to happen this way, though.
> 
> > I know it's hard for many to believe the accounts of the
> > Gospels, for whatever reasons they can come up with. I mean...
> > if they were true,that would mean  that all those mean,
> > dastardly, vile, hypocrites were right and all my self
> > exploration and self righteousness was a waste of time,
> > money and a life.
> 
> I'm not getting this. Which hypocrites are you talking
> about?
> 
> > But after 41 years of off and on regular meditation and M
> > teaching about yagyas, I had to ask myself, why couldn't
> > God Almighty see mankind as so hopeless that only a
> > particular *yagya*, descending as a man, living a perfect
> > life and offering that perfect sinless life in atonement
> > for all of mankind's sins was man's only hope. All that
> > was required was acceptance of the *yagya*, the sacrifice,
> > on your behalf and a repentant heart, not a perfect heart,
> > but a repentant one.
> 
> Thing is, all this about sacrifice and substitutionary
> atonement wasn't Jesus's teaching, it was Paul's.
> 
> I happen to think it's an absolutely brilliant teaching 
> psychologically, and it's obviously worked wonderfully
> for many people who believe in it. It's just way too
> anthropomorphic for me; it simply doesn't resonate.
> 
> Of course, Jesus wasn't teaching
> > Moksha, but redemption, salvation and resurrection.
> > Perhaps both moksha and salvation both exist and we have a
> > choice. Tens of thousands of life times doing your program
> > and still entering heaven and hell between births to get
> > liberated or one life time to attain salvation.
> 
> Or maybe both...maybe you have to go through thouse
> tens of thousands of lives before you're ready to have
> that one life where you attain salvation.
> 
> > Personally, I love the Gospel of John, Jes

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Just in C.C.'??

[Robert]

I think anyone who has the experience of 'Witnessing' is in CC.
Anyone who has the experience of 'no mantra, no thoughts' is the beginning of 
CC.
I believe CC is cultivated the minute one starts TM and notices that there is a 
greater and greater awareness of pure consciousness, as the mantra refines and 
is transcended...

R.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert"  wrote:
> >
> > Anyone know anyone, who is just in CC.??
> >
> 
> Fred Travis interviewed and then measured physiological parameters, of a 
> bunch of people who claimed to have been witnessing continuously 24/7 for at 
> least one year and published his findings in a scientific journal.
> 
> Just what do you mean by "CC?"
> 
> 
> Lawson
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And oh those poor Bonder people.  What are we going to do for
> > > > > > > them?  That embodiment stuff.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > What's your beef with embodiment? Are you suggesting that 
> > > > > > spiritual awakening should involve being disembodied?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Alex, I have no earthly idea what the term 
> > > > > "embodiment" means to Waking Down folks, but
> > > > > when you think about it, "spiritual awakening 
> > > > > should involve being disembodied" is EXACTLY
> > > > > what people who seek an end to reincarnation
> > > > > believe in. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Whether they've examined the belief deeply or
> > > > > not, it seems to me that anyone who has bought
> > > > > into the "no longer incarnating is 'better' 
> > > > > than reincarnating" stuff has bought into the
> > > > > notion that physical existence is somehow on 
> > > > > a 'lesser' plane than the transcendental.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't buy it, and didn't even back when I was
> > > > > a TM TB and Maharishi was giving his, "Nope, no
> > > > > matter what, if you die in CC there is no coming
> > > > > back, period" talks. I heard them "live." If you
> > > > > listen to the tapes, you can probably hear a 
> > > > > really loud guffaw when he says this. That was
> > > > > me. It seemed to me then that anyone who sought
> > > > > an end to incarnation was more than a little
> > > > > life-averse, and had just never figured out
> > > > > what a blast life is. Haven't changed my mind
> > > > > in the years since.
> > > > 
> > > > Eastern spirituality very often does involve trying very hard to not 
> > > > "be here now" exactly as now is. There's a lot of focus on creating a 
> > > > glorified and perfected I/me story of the future and/or simply 
> > > > disregarding the I/me story and the relative world in general as 
> > > > unimportant. IMO, that's just escapism. 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > You opinion of what Eastern spirituality is BS.
> > 
> > Your opinion of my opinion is BS.
> >
> 
> Whatever dude, it's the oldest trick - if you have to sell something you need 
> to make others stuff look bad. You may be proud of it, sorry for stating the 
> obvious.
>

I'm not selling anything. I stated an opinion based on my observations of 
having lived in FF for almost 29 years. In the TM world, enlightenment is 
always this exalted state of future perfection that requires endless years of 
doing program twice a day. The TM model of tiptoeing around sleeping elephants 
perfectly demonstrates the TM world escapism of not being here now and directly 
addressing what is. A few years ago, the Hare Krishnas paraded around the 
farmers market, handing out pamphlets. I looked at one, and it was all about 
how we need to be celibate vegetarians and chant the maha-mantra so that we can 
have better lives in future incarnations. Other traditions are focused on 
cultivating futures full of esoteric experiences, rainbow bodies, states of 
samadhi, etc. Which is not to say that self-improvement is wrong, but it can be 
every bit an awakening-obstructing attachment as sex, food, drugs, money, etc. 

[FairfieldLife] How people post their location without meaning to

[Tom Pall]

http://www.technologyreview.com/communications/37452/page1/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus "self-deceived"?

[Yifu]

imo...nothing's convincing about the Bible, as to one's conclusions, say - by 
cherry picking verses in support of various povs. If one elects to see 
substitutionary Atonement in the Bible, fine with me; or one can reject it 
totally, opting for a form of Gnosticism which totally rejects the Redemption 
by Atonement, as in the case of Bishop Spong. (I would agree with a few of 
these, but not others; ymmv) -
Bishop Spong's "12 Points", from Wiki: brackets - my inserts.

" Twelve points for ReformTheism, as a way of defining God, is dead. So most 
theological God-talk is today meaningless. A new way to speak of God must be 
found. [chiefly on the basis of the "Ground of Being", with no Atonement 
through the Crucifixion]. 
 
Since God [again, God = "Ground of Being" for Spong, following Tillich] can no 
longer be conceived in theistic [i.e. the personal Deity, YHVH; or the Trinity] 
as a  terms, it becomes nonsensical to seek to understand Jesus as the 
incarnation of the theistic deity.[in Spong's opinion] So the Christology of 
the ages is bankrupt.[in other ways, especially!, in addition to its dualism] 
 
The Biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings 
fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense.[that's 
for sure!]
 
The virgin birth, understood as literal biology, makes Christ's divinity, as 
traditionally understood, impossible.[genetically speaking only...has no 
bearing on "Divinity" per se, although it would indeed be miraculous. 
Conceivably (a pun) a demon could have a miraculous birth].
 
The miracle stories of the New Testament can no longer be interpreted in a 
post-Newtonian world as supernatural events performed by an incarnate 
deity.[conflating 2 different concepts: miracle stories and "incarnate deity". 
These are separate but related considerations].
 
The view of the cross as the sacrifice for the sins of the world is a barbarian 
idea based on primitive concepts of God and must be dismissed.[no more so than 
the concept of "Yagyas", although goat sacrifices and the like; let alone human 
Sacrifice, must imo certainly be looked at critically].
 
Resurrection is an action of God. Jesus was raised into the meaning[raised into 
elevated Consciousness. Spong doesn't accept the physical Resurrection. Neither 
do I but this is speculation. Not enough convincing evidence imo].. It 
therefore cannot be a physical resuscitation occurring inside human 
history.[non-Sequitur]
 
The story of the Ascension assumed a three-tiered universe and is therefore not 
capable of being translated into the concepts of a post-Copernican space 
age.[obviously, erudite people like Paul never believed that Heaven is 
physically in the "sky", so Spong's introduction of "space age" is bogus].
  
There is no external, objective, revealed standard written in scripture or on 
tablets of stone that will govern our ethical behavior for all time.[right, a 
point made by Sam Harris years after Spong's 12 points. Who needs YHVH or Jesus 
to be ethical?].
 
Prayer cannot be a request made to a theistic deity to act in human history in 
a particular way.[nobody seems to know for sure, but prayers to a "theistic 
deity" can be made the subject of scientific inquiry].  
The hope for life after death must be separated forever from the behavior 
control mentality of reward and punishment.[he means by the external "God", 
YHVH; or the Trinity]. The Church must abandon, therefore, its reliance on 
guilt as a motivator of behavior.[for fricken' sure!] 
All human beings bear God's image[doesn't quite make sense but what he means is 
that the Ground of Being is literally the ultimate Substratum or AM-ness, but 
is not really an "image"]. and must be respected for what each person is.[fine, 
but evades the question of good vs evil].
 Therefore, no external description of one's being, whether based on race, 
ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation, can properly be used as the basis for 
either rejection or discrimination.[unless for example, somebody pulls his 
pants down in public]. 
...
[that's it for Spong-isms for now! (ymmv).]


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> >
> > Judy, it couldn't have been John the Baptist. We all know he
> > came back as John the Hagelin.
> 
> Heh...!
> 
> > Besides, where did JTB get his enlightenment from?
> 
> We don't know much about his early life...
> 
> > The *hypocrites* I refer to are Christians in general, at
> > least that is the perception or accusation of some on
> > this list and to some degree there is some truth there.
> 
> There are hypocrites of every religion. They just tend
> to be noisier. Some of the best people I know are devout
> Christians.
> 
> > I can attest that I've never known a perfect Christian nor a 
> > perfect anything. But as M says, even a sick doctor can give
> > out medicine. 
> >  > see John 3-14.
> 
> These verses aren't 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Conversation With Patanjali

[emptybill]

It's not yer eyeballs. It's old age - the opposite of the new age.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > As (yathaa) an eyeball (akSi-paatram?) experiences (anubhavati)
> > great (mahatiim) pain (piiDaam) by mere (maatreNa) touch (sparsha)
> > of a fiber (tantu) of wool (uurNaa), so (tathaa) a viveki "udvij-s"
> > (see footnote 3 above) in connection (anubandhena) with even (api)
> > a minute (svalpa) (amount of) duHkha.
> >
>
> Let's assume that's a fairly correct translation. It reminds
> me of what my TM teacher said (can't recall exactly when, but
> most likely during the first week after my initiation), para-
> phrasing:
>
> You won't become cool as a cucumber (because of TM). In fact,
> you might become more sensitive than before, but it doesn't
> affect(?) your ?self/Self? anymore.
>
> For instance, I'm sensitive "as an eyeball" to e.g. cigarette
> smoke. Also emotionally, I've become almost painfully sensitive.
> Furthermore, a cup of coffee nowadays makes me almost
> hypomanic, LoL! Used to drink 4 to 6 cups a day. What else?
> Some colors almost make me puke, or at least surprisingly
> irritated.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

> If one seeks the annihilation of self when one dies,
> how likely is such a person to immerse themselves
> in life, and enjoy its pleasures? Their whole goal
> in life is to have these pleasures *end*. Forever.

Oh, nonsense. No reason they can't decide to enjoy
the ride. Man, your spiritual imagination is limited!

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Situation

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> WillyTex,
> 
> Nice post!  It just goes to show people are busy to get to
> work to make a living.  There's a time and place to
> appreciate a good musician.  The metro station is not one of
> them.

I agree. Nor was it the best choice of music. I'm a huge
Bach fan, and it took me at least a half-dozen hearings
of this piece, putting all my attention on it, to begin
to appreciate it.

It's a transcendently great work, both highly cerebral
and agonizingly emotional, but it's far from easy
listening, not something one would be likely to 
instantly identify as "beautiful" if one weren't
familiar with it and heard just a brief snatch while
hurrying through a subway station. Much less would most
folks have any way of recognizing that the violinist
was a virtuoso (and NO way of knowing he was playing an
expensive violin, for pete's sake!).

It's almost as if they deliberately chose a piece that
would be sure to prove their elitist point. They
stacked the deck big-time.

And the video is *awful*. They chopped the piece up to
fit their fancy editing, leaving out big hunks of it,
even repeating one section (the fast part) that's only
played once. Not to mention that the acoustics and 
extraneous noise don't exactly enhance the sound of the 
violin.

The whole stunt annoys me no end. I really think it's
pretty much of a fraud.

Here's audio of a complete performance of the Chaconne 
(from the Partita #2 in D minor), fragments of which 
are on the video; it's about 13 minutes long:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Johann_Sebastian_Bach_-_Chaconne_for_violin_alone.ogg

http://tinyurl.com/72zgj2

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Situation

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> There are a couple of very good musicians that play in the
> strip mall nearby. It is a shame they have to do this.  In
> better days they would have regular gigs at local clubs.

Curtis might have a few words to say about this...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus "self-deceived"?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Judy, it couldn't have been John the Baptist. We all know he
> came back as John the Hagelin.

Heh...!

> Besides, where did JTB get his enlightenment from?

We don't know much about his early life...

> The *hypocrites* I refer to are Christians in general, at
> least that is the perception or accusation of some on
> this list and to some degree there is some truth there.

There are hypocrites of every religion. They just tend
to be noisier. Some of the best people I know are devout
Christians.

> I can attest that I've never known a perfect Christian nor a 
> perfect anything. But as M says, even a sick doctor can give
> out medicine. 
>  see John 3-14.

These verses aren't explicit about substitutionary
atonement; you have to read it in. It isn't at all
clear that's what he was referring to. Sacrifice, yes,
but not substitutionary atonement per se.

And John, of course, was written well after Paul's
Epistles, as well as after the other three Gospels.
John is also thought to be the least authentic of
the Gospels with regard to Jesus's words. So I don't
find this particular quotation all that convincing.

Nevertheless, I do appreciate your testimony and
respect your faith.



"For 
> only I, the Son of Man,have come to earth and will return to heaven again. 
> And 
> as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so I, the 
> Son 
> of Man, must be lifted up on a pole, so that everyone who believes in me will 
> have eternal life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so 
> that 
> everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God did 
> not 
> send his Son into the world to condemn it, but to save it. There is no 
> judgment 
> awaiting those who trust him. But those who do not trust him have already 
> been 
> judged for not believing in the only Son of God. Their judgment is based on 
> this 
> fact: The light from heaven came into the world, but they loved the darkness 
> more than the light, for their actions were evil. They hate the light because 
> they want to sin in darkness. They stay away from the light for fear their 
> sins 
> will be exposed and they will be punished. But those who do what is right 
> come 
> to the light gladly, so everyone can see that they are doing what God wants." 
> These are the words of Jesus according to John,his best friend.< Yes, maybe 
> one 
> can have Moksha and Salvation. Yes, maybe there is reincarnation and it could 
> take many lives to get a shot at either. Some times we have to finish falling 
> to 
> the bottom before we can begin to crawl out. And Christ said that the end, 
> the 
> last chance, will not come till all the world has heard the Gospel. However, 
> we 
> now live in a time when that is now possible. He also said to know the 
> parable 
> of the fig tree. When the fig tree (Israel) begins to bud, know that 
> generation(baby boomers) will not perish before all these things(end times) 
> come 
> to pass.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > Nabs,
> > 
> > Thanks for the update on these hawks. 
> 
> It's interesting to see how she has tucked that newspaper
> around her. Could it be The New York Times ?

How the heck did it get in the nest? When I took a look
fairly early this morning, it wasn't there. Did it just
blow in, or what? Bobby didn't bring it in, did he?
 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > Violet just checked her eggs, they seem to be fine :-)

According to a hawk expert who's answering questions
about the upcoming Blessed Events, the more often she
checks the eggs, the closer the chicks are to hatching.
Once she starts feeling them pecking at the inside of
the shell while she's sitting on them, she'll get up
frequently and peer at them to see how it's going.

It can take half a day for a chick to emerge; and the
three eggs won't all hatch at once. I can only watch
for a couple of minutes at a time, and every time I
looked in today she was just sitting quietly, so
either I'm missing it when she gets up, or there isn't
a lot of action yet.

> http://tinyurl.com/3p2ttdt

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Ravi Yogi]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And oh those poor Bonder people.  What are we going to do for
> > > > > > them?  That embodiment stuff.
> > > > > 
> > > > > What's your beef with embodiment? Are you suggesting that 
> > > > > spiritual awakening should involve being disembodied?
> > > > 
> > > > Alex, I have no earthly idea what the term 
> > > > "embodiment" means to Waking Down folks, but
> > > > when you think about it, "spiritual awakening 
> > > > should involve being disembodied" is EXACTLY
> > > > what people who seek an end to reincarnation
> > > > believe in. 
> > > > 
> > > > Whether they've examined the belief deeply or
> > > > not, it seems to me that anyone who has bought
> > > > into the "no longer incarnating is 'better' 
> > > > than reincarnating" stuff has bought into the
> > > > notion that physical existence is somehow on 
> > > > a 'lesser' plane than the transcendental.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't buy it, and didn't even back when I was
> > > > a TM TB and Maharishi was giving his, "Nope, no
> > > > matter what, if you die in CC there is no coming
> > > > back, period" talks. I heard them "live." If you
> > > > listen to the tapes, you can probably hear a 
> > > > really loud guffaw when he says this. That was
> > > > me. It seemed to me then that anyone who sought
> > > > an end to incarnation was more than a little
> > > > life-averse, and had just never figured out
> > > > what a blast life is. Haven't changed my mind
> > > > in the years since.
> > > 
> > > Eastern spirituality very often does involve trying very hard to not "be 
> > > here now" exactly as now is. There's a lot of focus on creating a 
> > > glorified and perfected I/me story of the future and/or simply 
> > > disregarding the I/me story and the relative world in general as 
> > > unimportant. IMO, that's just escapism. 
> > > 
> > 
> > You opinion of what Eastern spirituality is BS.
> 
> Your opinion of my opinion is BS.
>

Whatever dude, it's the oldest trick - if you have to sell something you need 
to make others stuff look bad. You may be proud of it, sorry for stating the 
obvious.

[FairfieldLife] Neo-Advaita revisited

[Yifu]

on "Eastern Spirituality"...imo: there's Advaita and Pseudo-Advaita (or Neo-A), 
not East or West. 
...
Neo-A revisited...
http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/neo-advaita.html

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > And oh those poor Bonder people.  What are we going to do for
> > > > > them?  That embodiment stuff.
> > > > 
> > > > What's your beef with embodiment? Are you suggesting that 
> > > > spiritual awakening should involve being disembodied?
> > > 
> > > Alex, I have no earthly idea what the term 
> > > "embodiment" means to Waking Down folks, but
> > > when you think about it, "spiritual awakening 
> > > should involve being disembodied" is EXACTLY
> > > what people who seek an end to reincarnation
> > > believe in. 
> > > 
> > > Whether they've examined the belief deeply or
> > > not, it seems to me that anyone who has bought
> > > into the "no longer incarnating is 'better' 
> > > than reincarnating" stuff has bought into the
> > > notion that physical existence is somehow on 
> > > a 'lesser' plane than the transcendental.
> > > 
> > > I don't buy it, and didn't even back when I was
> > > a TM TB and Maharishi was giving his, "Nope, no
> > > matter what, if you die in CC there is no coming
> > > back, period" talks. I heard them "live." If you
> > > listen to the tapes, you can probably hear a 
> > > really loud guffaw when he says this. That was
> > > me. It seemed to me then that anyone who sought
> > > an end to incarnation was more than a little
> > > life-averse, and had just never figured out
> > > what a blast life is. Haven't changed my mind
> > > in the years since.
> > 
> > Eastern spirituality very often does involve trying very hard to not "be 
> > here now" exactly as now is. There's a lot of focus on creating a glorified 
> > and perfected I/me story of the future and/or simply disregarding the I/me 
> > story and the relative world in general as unimportant. IMO, that's just 
> > escapism. 
> > 
> 
> You opinion of what Eastern spirituality is BS.

Your opinion of my opinion is BS.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Ravi Yogi]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > And oh those poor Bonder people.  What are we going to do for
> > > > them?  That embodiment stuff.
> > > 
> > > What's your beef with embodiment? Are you suggesting that 
> > > spiritual awakening should involve being disembodied?
> > 
> > Alex, I have no earthly idea what the term 
> > "embodiment" means to Waking Down folks, but
> > when you think about it, "spiritual awakening 
> > should involve being disembodied" is EXACTLY
> > what people who seek an end to reincarnation
> > believe in. 
> > 
> > Whether they've examined the belief deeply or
> > not, it seems to me that anyone who has bought
> > into the "no longer incarnating is 'better' 
> > than reincarnating" stuff has bought into the
> > notion that physical existence is somehow on 
> > a 'lesser' plane than the transcendental.
> > 
> > I don't buy it, and didn't even back when I was
> > a TM TB and Maharishi was giving his, "Nope, no
> > matter what, if you die in CC there is no coming
> > back, period" talks. I heard them "live." If you
> > listen to the tapes, you can probably hear a 
> > really loud guffaw when he says this. That was
> > me. It seemed to me then that anyone who sought
> > an end to incarnation was more than a little
> > life-averse, and had just never figured out
> > what a blast life is. Haven't changed my mind
> > in the years since.
> 
> Eastern spirituality very often does involve trying very hard to not "be here 
> now" exactly as now is. There's a lot of focus on creating a glorified and 
> perfected I/me story of the future and/or simply disregarding the I/me story 
> and the relative world in general as unimportant. IMO, that's just escapism. 
> 

You opinion of what Eastern spirituality is BS. What you state below makes 
sense and is what Eastern spirituality is about, if you want to call it a new 
name or toy that's perfectly all right.



> The embodied awakening of Waking Down is an awakening to the paradox of being 
> both limited and completely unbounded. There is no trying to destroy the ego 
> or renunciation of the world in Waking Down. For me, the embodiment aspect 
> involved a brutal free-fall into all the shadow stuff I'd spent decades 
> trying to push away or change. There's no more denial or extreme aversion to 
> being who I am as a person, exactly as I am right now. Awakening to the 
> conscious nature took place in the dark night of the soul, when everything in 
> the relative that I was attached to turned to ashes.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology reading for seventhray

[seventhray1]

Thank  you Rav.  I have assigned a 3-Star system with the exception of
one item which I gave 5 stars.  Overall I feel the analysis sort of
missed the mark with the exception of the summary statement which I felt
was 100% accurate.

Thanks again.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
>
> Steve,
>
>
>
>
> Since chart reading can be a never ending tiresome exercise I will
just
> focus on my strengths which is personality analysis - areas of
strengths
> and weaknesses. Let me know how I did, since you didn't mind the
> initial reading to be in public I'm posting it to FFL.
>
>
>
>
> A note of caution - I have pointed out areas of strengths and
challenges
> as indicated by the positions. It's quite possible that you have
> identified and worked on dealing with the challenges since you are a
> mature adult now but I have laid them out as I see it in your chart.
>
>
>
>
> Not sure how comfortable you are with astrological jargon but I can't
> resist using them.
>
>
>
> The rising sign is Virgo which indicates a service oriented nature sou
***l,
> someone who is humble unassuming *** and a caring perfectionist *. You
are
> keenly observant of your environment and pay attention to details that
> others would miss. *** The ascendant lord Mercury in the 8th house
with Sun
> shows the powerful influence in your functioning.You have a very sharp
> penetrating intellect * and powerful intuition **. You arevery quick
to grasp
> people's motivations **, developing strategies and subjects requiring
> research and investigation *.
>
>
>
> 8th house also represents the metaphysical and this would explain your
> strong interest in spirituality. You love to explore the deeper
meaning
> in life, going beyond the ordinary sensory experiences, unexplored,
> hidden, or taboos. *** 8thhouse is using the powerful creative energy
to
> heal, transform and rejuvenate. ** The 8th house is colored by the
sign of
> Aries – you are bold, energetic, independent, and quick to take
> initiative in the areas of metaphysics or anything that requires deep
> research *, more of a sprinter than marathon runner ** , love
challenges *. You
> get bored with minute details because of your ability to see the big
> picture right away **. You don't like to get stuck in a rut and are
> eager to move forward.  ** Sun conjunct Mercury indicates much mental
> energy.  ** You are a strong thinker and proud of it. *  You love to
explore
> hidden meaning in different angles at a high level without getting
stuck
> in details. ** You have a strong belief in destiny.  ***
>
>
>
> The other important combination is the Mars and Jupiter opposition
along
> the 5th-11thaxis. Both Mars and Jupiter are exalted and Mars and
Jupiter
> is a good combination here and you are bold and energetic.  ** Mars in
the
> 5th house indicates you love action, sports, being competitive.  
The
> position of Mars indicates you are a very level headed guy in control
of
> your emotions with lot of self control, your energy is well directed
> towards goal oriented pursuits. *
>
>
> Jupiter in the 11th house indicates you are a very noble, charitable
> humanitarian and you love friends, social gatherings and circles. *
> Usually Jupiter here indicates association with
spiritual/philosophical
> groups because of the Jupiterian qualities of knowledge, wisdom,
> generosity and an eagerness to share this. ** You have a lot to offer
in
> spiritual groups or circles. **
>
>
>
> Now coming to the nodes Rahu & Ketu that I pay close attention to.
Rahu
> shows the areas of entrapment, the cause of rebirth, the things that
> keep you bound and Ketu shows moksha or liberation. Rahu shows where
you
> are trying to grab or overcorrect, Rahu and Ketu are always opposite
to
> each other, so Ketu shows the area where there is a void that you need
> to fill for your spiritual progress, liberation from the material
plane.
>
>
>
> Sautrn in the 3rdhouse shows your difficulty in taking a stand and
> taking initiative.  * You may bea man of few words  *** and coming
across as
> cold, distant and reserved.  * The nodes along 3rd/9th axis show that
you
> avoid confrontation and conflict  *** and find it very hard to a take
a moral
> stand or decision. *  You may be overwhelmed by mental overload to the
> point where you may not commit to anything which might cause problems
to
> others around you.  ** You might have lot of conflict and battles in
the
> mind which might leave you exhausted.  ** You most likely wouldn't
want
> to offend anyone and use logic to avoid taking a stand. **
>
>
>
> Venus, the planet of love, emotions and refinement is also eclipsed by
> the nodes and Saturn. This suggests that your ability to express and
> receive love is one of the weakest areas.  ** There might be issues of
> emotional blocks and feeling of worth.  * Venus conjunct Ketu shows
that
> you have trouble in expressing love and you would rather stick tologic
> and reasoning. *
>
>
>
> This pattern s

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> Nabs,
> 
> Thanks for the update on these hawks. 


It's interesting to see how she has tucked that newspaper around her. Could it 
be The New York Times ?

http://tinyurl.com/3p2ttdt

 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Violet just checked her eggs, they seem to be fine :-)


http://tinyurl.com/3p2ttdt

[FairfieldLife] (unknown)

[Louis McKenzie]

http://tapuwuti.t35.com/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Texas wild fires and rehab

[Mike Dixon]

Bittersweet? Very much so, but I'm staying focused on the little critters and 
enjoying my time with them. Somebody was taking pics the other day, I'll try to 
get some to post here.





From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 9:37:41 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Texas wild fires and rehab

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> I'm having a ball this week. I've been volunteering at a
> wildlife rehabilitation center that is bringing in lots of
> baby wild animals orphaned by the wild fires all over the
> state. With my falconry skills, I've been put in charge of
> taking care of a bunch of baby Red-Tailed hawks. They are
> so cute. Couldn't be more than a week old and too young to
> have any fear of humans. We hope to adopt them out to
> falconers so they can be taught how and what to hunt, since
> mom and dad normally do that.

Oh, how fabulous, Mike. Sort of bittersweet, but must be a
great thrill as well. Are you taking pictures, or video?

There's a red-tail couple (Violet and Bobby) that has a
nest with three eggs on the 11th floor of an NYU building
in Manhattan that the NY Times has a live camera on. The
hatching window began today and will go till the 28th. I
forgot to check today, so I don't know if anything has
happened yet.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/hawk-cam-live-from-the-nest/?ref=nyregion


http://tinyurl.com/3p2ttdt

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus "self-deceived"?

[Mike Dixon]

Judy, it couldn't have been John the Baptist. We all know he came back as John 
the Hagelin. Besides, where did JTB get his enlightenment from?< The 
*hypocrites* I refer to are Christians in general, at least that is the 
perception or accusation of some on this list and to some degree there is 
some truth there. I can attest that I've never known a perfect Christian nor a 
perfect anything. But as M says, even a sick doctor can give out medicine. 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 8:48:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus "self-deceived"?

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> The problem I see with Jesus being a man in UC,according to
> M's teaching, is that you need a master in UC to bring you
> into that awareness. The master enlightens the disciple with
> the Mahavakya, I am that, Thou art That, all This is That
> and nothing but That Is. I don't see any figures in Jesus'
> life to fit that bill.

John the Baptist?

Or what about during the "missing years"?

I'm not convinced it *has* to happen this way, though.

> I know it's hard for many to believe the accounts of the
> Gospels, for whatever reasons they can come up with. I mean...
> if they were true,that would mean  that all those mean,
> dastardly, vile, hypocrites were right and all my self
> exploration and self righteousness was a waste of time,
> money and a life.

I'm not getting this. Which hypocrites are you talking
about?

> But after 41 years of off and on regular meditation and M
> teaching about yagyas, I had to ask myself, why couldn't
> God Almighty see mankind as so hopeless that only a
> particular *yagya*, descending as a man, living a perfect
> life and offering that perfect sinless life in atonement
> for all of mankind's sins was man's only hope. All that
> was required was acceptance of the *yagya*, the sacrifice,
> on your behalf and a repentant heart, not a perfect heart,
> but a repentant one.

Thing is, all this about sacrifice and substitutionary
atonement wasn't Jesus's teaching, it was Paul's.

I happen to think it's an absolutely brilliant teaching 
psychologically, and it's obviously worked wonderfully
for many people who believe in it. It's just way too
anthropomorphic for me; it simply doesn't resonate.

Of course, Jesus wasn't teaching
> Moksha, but redemption, salvation and resurrection.
> Perhaps both moksha and salvation both exist and we have a
> choice. Tens of thousands of life times doing your program
> and still entering heaven and hell between births to get
> liberated or one life time to attain salvation.

Or maybe both...maybe you have to go through thouse
tens of thousands of lives before you're ready to have
that one life where you attain salvation.

> Personally, I love the Gospel of John, Jesus' best friend and 
> first disciple. "In the beginning, the Word already existed.
> He was with God, and he was God.He was in the beginning with
> God. He created everything there is. Nothing exists that he
> didn't make. Life itself was in him,and this life gives 
> light to everyone. The light shines through the darkness, and
> the darkness can never extinguish it."
>
> Life is about choices. Some see the light, others don't.

But is that really a *choice*, to see the light or not?
I don't think you can choose to believe, in Jesus or
anything else. I think belief is something that happens
to you.

And I actively *disbelieve* in the notion that God
requires a certain very specific belief or you're out of
luck. I find that repugnant.

I envy those who have faith. But it's never been something
I could talk myself into.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Situation

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > THE SITUATION (received in email-reformatted for easy reading)
> > > 
> > > In Washington, DC at a Metro Station, on a cold January morning 
> > > in 2007, this man with a violin played six Bach pieces for about 
> > > 45 minutes. 
> > Interesting post Willy. 
> > 
> > Is it *true*? I believe more folks' jaws would have 
> > dropped. (My faith).
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnOPu0_YWhw
>

Oh! :-(

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Situation

[Bhairitu]

There are a couple of very good musicians that play in the strip mall 
nearby.  It is a shame they have to do this.  In better days they would 
have regular gigs at local clubs.  And people really don't have much 
money to throw at street players either nor time to stand and listen.

On 04/22/2011 11:19 AM, John wrote:
> WillyTex,
>
> Nice post!  It just goes to show people are busy to get to work to make a 
> living.  There's a time and place to appreciate a good musician.  The metro 
> station is not one of them.
>
> JR
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>> THE SITUATION (received in email-reformatted for easy reading)
>>
>> In Washington, DC at a Metro Station, on a cold January morning in 2007,
>> this man with a violin played six Bach pieces for about 45 minutes.
>> During
>> that time, approximately 2,000 people went through the station, most of
>> them on their way to work.  After about 3 minutes, a middle-aged man
>> noticed that there was a musician playing.  He slowed his pace and
>> stopped
>> for a few seconds, and then he hurried on to meet his schedule.
>>
>> About 4 minutes later:
>> The violinist received his first dollar.  A woman threw money in the hat
>> and,
>> without stopping, continued to walk.
>>
>> At 6 minutes:
>> A young man leaned against the wall to listen to him, then looked at his
>> watch and started to walk again.
>>
>> At 10 minutes:
>> A 3-year old boy stopped, but his mother tugged him along hurriedly. The
>> kid stopped to look at the violinist again, but the mother pushed hard
>> and
>> the child continued to walk, turning his head the whole time.  This
>> action
>> was repeated by several other children, but every parent - without
>> exception -
>> forced their children to move on quickly.
>>
>> At 45 minutes:
>> The musician played continuously. Only 6 people stopped and listened for
>> a
>> short while. About 20 gave money but continued to walk at their normal
>> pace.
>> The man collected a total of $32.
>>
>> After 1 hour:
>> He finished playing and silence took over. No one noticed and no one
>> applauded.  There was no recognition at all. No one knew this, but the
>> violinist was Joshua Bell, one of the greatest musicians in the world.
>>
>>
>>
>> He played one of the most intricate pieces ever written, with a violin
>> worth
>> $3.5 million dollars.  Two days before, Joshua Bell sold-out a theater
>> in
>> Boston where the seats averaged $100 each to sit and listen to him play
>> the
>> same music. This is a true story. Joshua Bell, playing incognito in the
>> D.C.
>> Metro Station, was organized by the Washington Post as part of a social
>> experiment about perception, taste and people's priorities.
>>
>> This experiment raised several questions:
>>
>> 1. In a common-place environment, at an inappropriate hour, do we
>> perceive beauty?
>>
>> 2. If so, do we stop to appreciate it?
>>
>> 3. Do we recognize talent in an unexpected context?
>>
>> One possible conclusion reached from this experiment could be this:
>>
>> If we do not have a moment to stop and listen to one of the best
>> musicians in the world, playing some of the finest music ever written,
>> with one of the most beautiful instruments ever made. How many
>> other things are we missing as we rush through life?
>>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: "No matter how hard you try, you will never be as cool as this guy"

[whynotnow7]

Very cool video - a fred astaire for the new millenium, and then some -

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> Dude's definitely got it going on. This guy might actually be enlightened. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > That's what Reddit said about this video. They have a point.
> > 
> > http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d53_1303269425
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Situation

[John]

WillyTex,

Nice post!  It just goes to show people are busy to get to work to make a 
living.  There's a time and place to appreciate a good musician.  The metro 
station is not one of them.

JR

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> THE SITUATION (received in email-reformatted for easy reading)
> 
> In Washington, DC at a Metro Station, on a cold January morning in 2007,
> this man with a violin played six Bach pieces for about 45 minutes. 
> During
> that time, approximately 2,000 people went through the station, most of
> them on their way to work.  After about 3 minutes, a middle-aged man
> noticed that there was a musician playing.  He slowed his pace and
> stopped
> for a few seconds, and then he hurried on to meet his schedule.
> 
> About 4 minutes later:
> The violinist received his first dollar.  A woman threw money in the hat
> and,
> without stopping, continued to walk.
> 
> At 6 minutes:
> A young man leaned against the wall to listen to him, then looked at his
> watch and started to walk again.
> 
> At 10 minutes:
> A 3-year old boy stopped, but his mother tugged him along hurriedly. The
> kid stopped to look at the violinist again, but the mother pushed hard
> and
> the child continued to walk, turning his head the whole time.  This
> action
> was repeated by several other children, but every parent - without
> exception -
> forced their children to move on quickly.
> 
> At 45 minutes:
> The musician played continuously. Only 6 people stopped and listened for
> a
> short while. About 20 gave money but continued to walk at their normal
> pace.
> The man collected a total of $32.
> 
> After 1 hour:
> He finished playing and silence took over. No one noticed and no one
> applauded.  There was no recognition at all. No one knew this, but the
> violinist was Joshua Bell, one of the greatest musicians in the world.
> 
> 
> 
> He played one of the most intricate pieces ever written, with a violin
> worth
> $3.5 million dollars.  Two days before, Joshua Bell sold-out a theater
> in
> Boston where the seats averaged $100 each to sit and listen to him play
> the
> same music. This is a true story. Joshua Bell, playing incognito in the
> D.C.
> Metro Station, was organized by the Washington Post as part of a social
> experiment about perception, taste and people's priorities.
> 
> This experiment raised several questions:
> 
> 1. In a common-place environment, at an inappropriate hour, do we
> perceive beauty?
> 
> 2. If so, do we stop to appreciate it?
> 
> 3. Do we recognize talent in an unexpected context?
> 
> One possible conclusion reached from this experiment could be this:
> 
> If we do not have a moment to stop and listen to one of the best
> musicians in the world, playing some of the finest music ever written,
> with one of the most beautiful instruments ever made. How many
> other things are we missing as we rush through life?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Situation

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> >
> > THE SITUATION (received in email-reformatted for easy reading)
> > 
> > In Washington, DC at a Metro Station, on a cold January morning 
> > in 2007, this man with a violin played six Bach pieces for about 
> > 45 minutes. 
> Interesting post Willy. 
> 
> Is it *true*? I believe more folks' jaws would have 
> dropped. (My faith).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnOPu0_YWhw

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam

[John]

Nabs,

Thanks for the update on these hawks.   



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> Violet just checked her eggs, they seem to be fine :-)
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/3p2ttdt
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Searching for Eldorado

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> Neutrality, percipience, and non-agency
> 
> Most of everything we know is we know
> through our eyes, ears, and sometimes with
> our nose.

Interesting post Willy.

Have you read Plato's Meno?

Socrates demonstrates (it seems) that an *un-educated*
slave somehow *knows* (inherently) some truths of 
geometry.

How does that work then?

Anamnesis? 

"..the theory of recollection. It tells of our immortal
souls mixing with the objects of knowledge in a great
world-spirit. Since we have contact with real things in
this stage of existence prior to birth, we have only to
'recollect' them when alive..."

Or...what?

> That is, we observe things and
> events, we see doors, tables, and chairs.
> 
> But, are there other kinds of valid knowledge?
> 
> We can also run and jump, think, and talk to
> our friends. So, we also get knowledge from
> experience and from others, and we can read
>   books.
> 
>   [Wikipedia Commons Photo] 
> 
> 
> Somewhere in Eldorado, Texas
> 
> In Sankhya-Yoga system, according to
> Theos Bernard, writing in 'Foundations of
> Hindu Philosophy', the phenomenal universe
> is considered a dynamic order, "...an eternal
> process unfolding, without beginning or
> end."
> 
> In order to avoid the fallacy of regressus
> ad infinitum, which is not consistent with
> rational solutions, Samkhya postulates an
> 'Uncaused Cause', which remains undefined,
> as it is beyond, or transcendental to, human
> intellect. "This absolute is beyond time and
> space, without attribute and form, and is
> forever removed from empirical scrutiny".
> 
> True evolution, according to Samkhya,
> exists ONLY in the transformation of cosmic
> consciousness, Purusha, to the physical
> substance, prakriti, and that the
> manifestations of the physical and biological
> world, are only modifications of five gross
> elements.
> 
> This sounds very reasonable since this can
> be confirmed by observation. Bernard
> notes that Samkhya "...views the evolutes of
> matter from its cosmic cause as a process
> of unfolding, a projection of potentialities
> according to fixed laws that can be
> understood by man" (68).
> 
> According to the sage Kapila, creation is
> impossible, for something cannot come out
> of nothing; change implies something to
> change; whatever is, always is, and whatever
> is not, never is. As Kapila states:
> 
> "And from the contrast with that which is
> composed of the three constituents, there
> follows, for the Purusha, the character of
> Being, a witness; freedom from misery,
> neutrality, percipience, and non-agency"
> (XVII).
> 
> For the investigation of the causal process,
> Samkhya recognizes three means of valid
> knowledge, and three only. What three?
> 
> Perception, inference, and personal
> testimony - are the valid means of knowledge;
> comprehended in these three, used in
> particular instances depending on what is
> to be known.
> 
> For example, perception is to be used for
> objects which are in contact with sense
> organs; inference is used for knowledge of
> those things of which only the characteristic
> marks are known, and testimony is used for
> knowledge of those things that are beyond
> the logical analysis of the mind.
> 
> Works cited:
> 
> 'Foundations of Hindu Philosophy'
> by Theos Bernard, Ph.D.
> Author of 'Hatha Yoga', 'Penthouse of the Gods',
> 'Heaven Lies Within' etc., etc.
> Philosophical Library, 1947
> 
> 'The Samkhyakarika of Isvarakrishna'
> Samkhyakarika, trans. and ed. by S. Sastri
> University of Madras, 1935
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Situation

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> THE SITUATION (received in email-reformatted for easy reading)
> 
> In Washington, DC at a Metro Station, on a cold January morning in 2007,
> this man with a violin played six Bach pieces for about 45 minutes. 
> During
> that time, approximately 2,000 people went through the station, most of
> them on their way to work.  After about 3 minutes, a middle-aged man
> noticed that there was a musician playing.  He slowed his pace and
> stopped
> for a few seconds, and then he hurried on to meet his schedule.
> 
> About 4 minutes later:
> The violinist received his first dollar.  A woman threw money in the hat
> and,
> without stopping, continued to walk.
> 
> At 6 minutes:
> A young man leaned against the wall to listen to him, then looked at his
> watch and started to walk again.
> 
> At 10 minutes:
> A 3-year old boy stopped, but his mother tugged him along hurriedly. The
> kid stopped to look at the violinist again, but the mother pushed hard
> and
> the child continued to walk, turning his head the whole time.  This
> action
> was repeated by several other children, but every parent - without
> exception -
> forced their children to move on quickly.
> 
> At 45 minutes:
> The musician played continuously. Only 6 people stopped and listened for
> a
> short while. About 20 gave money but continued to walk at their normal
> pace.
> The man collected a total of $32.
> 
> After 1 hour:
> He finished playing and silence took over. No one noticed and no one
> applauded.  There was no recognition at all. No one knew this, but the
> violinist was Joshua Bell, one of the greatest musicians in the world.
> 
> 
> 
> He played one of the most intricate pieces ever written, with a violin
> worth
> $3.5 million dollars.  Two days before, Joshua Bell sold-out a theater
> in
> Boston where the seats averaged $100 each to sit and listen to him play
> the
> same music. This is a true story. Joshua Bell, playing incognito in the
> D.C.
> Metro Station, was organized by the Washington Post as part of a social
> experiment about perception, taste and people's priorities.
> 
> This experiment raised several questions:
> 
> 1. In a common-place environment, at an inappropriate hour, do we
> perceive beauty?
> 
> 2. If so, do we stop to appreciate it?
> 
> 3. Do we recognize talent in an unexpected context?
> 
> One possible conclusion reached from this experiment could be this:
> 
> If we do not have a moment to stop and listen to one of the best
> musicians in the world, playing some of the finest music ever written,
> with one of the most beautiful instruments ever made. How many
> other things are we missing as we rush through life?
>

Interesting post Willy. 

Is it *true*? I believe more folks' jaws would have 
dropped. (My faith).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie: "Hanna"

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 04/21/2011 02:32 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
> > Excellent thriller, starring two great actresses. One,
> > 41 at the time of filming, has had decades to establish
> > her 'street cred' as an actress, to the tune of four
> > Oscar nominations and one Oscar win. The other is a
> > lightweight by comparison, and has only been nominated
> > for one Oscar. But then she's only 16. Cate Blanchett
> > is good in this movie, but Saoirse Ronan is much, much
> > better. Imagine that.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zd4zGt13IE
>
> Her father is an actor and I think she will have a good career.

You think? Nominated for an Oscar at 13, and carrying
a whole film at 16? Next Natalie Portman or Anna Paquin.

   [Saoirse Ronan: 'I Like Freaks']

[FairfieldLife] The Law of Mother Earth: Behind Bolivia's Historic Bill

[Rick Archer]

The Law of Mother Earth: Behind Bolivia's Historic Bill


Friday 22 April 2011

by: Nick Buxton,
 YES! Magazine

http://truthout.org/law-mother-earth-behind-bolivias-historic-bill/130348101
1

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Just in C.C.'??

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert"  wrote:
>
> Anyone know anyone, who is just in CC.??
>

Fred Travis interviewed and then measured physiological parameters, of a bunch 
of people who claimed to have been witnessing continuously 24/7 for at least 
one year and published his findings in a scientific journal.

Just what do you mean by "CC?"


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Your...er...Uranus in Aries!

[cardemaister]

http://www.astro.com/astrologie/in_uranus1_e.htm

On March 11 Uranus crosses the threshold from Pisces to Aries for the third and 
last time since May 2010. It is leaving the realm of dream and entering the 
realm of action where it will remain for the next eight years. The air god 
represents the heavens as a place according to Erin Sullivan. When it appears 
in the element of fire "heavenly" ideas start to burn anew. Uranus in Aries is 
shouting "Eureka", celebrating a discovery. This will be a time for pioneers, 
adventurers and inventors. Uranus has become the standard bearer for such terms 
as liberation, freedom, choice, individuality, uniqueness, innovation, 
challenge and breaking out of old ways, challenging the status quo, says Erin 
Sullivan. Instead of repeating rote astrological definitions she refers back to 
the origin myth of Uranus and throws new light on its archetypal struggle with 
Saturn: To give birth to a new idea Uranus needs Saturn and vice versa. The 
following text is an extract from Sullivan's book "The Astrology of Midlife and 
Aging".

Re: [FairfieldLife] Movie: "Hanna"

[Bhairitu]

On 04/21/2011 02:32 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
> Excellent thriller, starring two great actresses. One,
> 41 at the time of filming, has had decades to establish
> her 'street cred' as an actress, to the tune of four
> Oscar nominations and one Oscar win. The other is a
> lightweight by comparison, and has only been nominated
> for one Oscar. But then she's only 16. Cate Blanchett
> is good in this movie, but Saoirse Ronan is much, much
> better. Imagine that.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zd4zGt13IE
Her father is an actor and I think she will have a good career.

You might like "Hunter Prey", a sci-fi film which I watched last night.  
Not long on special effects but nicely shot with the Red camera.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1270291/

In HD on Netflix WI:
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Hunter_Prey/70130137

[FairfieldLife] Let The Mystery Be - Iris DeMent

[Rick Archer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlaoR5m4L80

[FairfieldLife] Re: "No matter how hard you try, you will never be as cool as this guy"

[Joe]

Dude's definitely got it going on. This guy might actually be enlightened. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> That's what Reddit said about this video. They have a point.
> 
> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d53_1303269425
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > And oh those poor Bonder people.  What are we going to do for
> > > > them?  That embodiment stuff.
> > > 
> > > What's your beef with embodiment? Are you suggesting that 
> > > spiritual awakening should involve being disembodied?
> > 
> > Alex, I have no earthly idea what the term 
> > "embodiment" means to Waking Down folks, but
> > when you think about it, "spiritual awakening 
> > should involve being disembodied" is EXACTLY
> > what people who seek an end to reincarnation
> > believe in. 
> > 
> > Whether they've examined the belief deeply or
> > not, it seems to me that anyone who has bought
> > into the "no longer incarnating is 'better' 
> > than reincarnating" stuff has bought into the
> > notion that physical existence is somehow on 
> > a 'lesser' plane than the transcendental.
> > 
> > I don't buy it, and didn't even back when I was
> > a TM TB and Maharishi was giving his, "Nope, no
> > matter what, if you die in CC there is no coming
> > back, period" talks. I heard them "live." If you
> > listen to the tapes, you can probably hear a 
> > really loud guffaw when he says this. That was
> > me. It seemed to me then that anyone who sought
> > an end to incarnation was more than a little
> > life-averse, and had just never figured out
> > what a blast life is. Haven't changed my mind
> > in the years since.
> 
> Eastern spirituality very often does involve trying very 
> hard to not "be here now" exactly as now is. There's a 
> lot of focus on creating a glorified and perfected I/me 
> story of the future and/or simply disregarding the I/me 
> story and the relative world in general as unimportant. 
> IMO, that's just escapism. 

I see it the same way. I think that one's approach
to death (and thus possible reincarnation, or not)
says a lot about one's approach to life. 

If one seeks the annihilation of self when one dies,
how likely is such a person to immerse themselves
in life, and enjoy its pleasures? Their whole goal
in life is to have these pleasures *end*. Forever.

Others feel that if one wants to come back, say, to 
help others (as in the Bodhisattava thang), they can,
and can influence the reincarnation process via intent.
I would guess that such a person would be open to 
helping others during their life, and would not seek
annihilation of self.

My view is to embrace the option one of my spiritual 
teacher guys suggested -- "Just die and see what 
happens." No hoping for any particular outcome or 
destination or lack of destination, no intention
whatsoever -- just dive in and take it as it comes. 
Or doesn't. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Don't revere your holy men, eat them! (was Re: Zombie Apostles)

[WillyTex]

turquoiseb:
> For those anxious to put this theory 
> to the test, wouldn't Sai Baba be a 
> good test case...? 
>
Well, probably none of us know Sai Baba any 
more than we know you, except maybe Conny 
Larssen, so why not you be the test case, 
since this is your idea? 

You're wise enough to have worked for MMY 
and Rama for thirty years or more, so you 
must be almost enlightened by now, right? 

Or, what exactly were you doing with those 
guys all those years?

"Those who believe in transubstantiation do 
not necessarily believe the elements of the 
Eucharist, bread and wine, actually change 
physically. The conversion into the literal 
flesh and blood of Jesus Christ occurs on a 
spiritual level humans cannot measure or 
define. The bread and wine continue to have 
all the sensory elements of ordinary bread 
and wine..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawk Cam

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> Violet just checked her eggs, they seem to be fine :-)
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/3p2ttdt


Now Violet seems to, eh, check the classified in a newspaper !

http://tinyurl.com/3p2ttdt

[FairfieldLife] Re: Zombie Apostles

[WillyTex]

turquoiseb:
> Catholics have always struck me as wusses 
< with all of their fake "body of Christ, 
> blood of Christ" stuff. Why not go for the 
> real thing?
> 
Don't you just hate those Catholics!

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Conversation With Patanjali

[WillyTex]

Ravi Yogi:
> Anyway I think Bhoga Saadhana could 
> indeed mean "contemplating on worldly 
> pleasures or indulgences"...
>
"Samsara is described as mundane existence, 
full of suffering and misery and hence is 
considered undesirable and worth renunciation. 
The Samsara is without any beginning and the 
soul finds itself in bondage with its karma 
since the beginingless time. Moksha is the 
only liberation from samsara..."

Samsara:
http://tinyurl.com/7e2o5c

The first time I read the Yoga Sutras I 
misunderstood a lot, even for a smart guy. 

Now, I've put the right commentaries together 
with the correct translations and I've been 
able to understand the main idea behind the 
Yoga System. It might be auspicious if we 
begin with a short review of where we're 
coming from. TMers will have no problem with
understanding Patanjali because it is dirt 
simple:

"Yoga citta vritti nirodha." 
(Yoga is the cessation of the mental turnings 
of the mind.) 
- Y.S. I.1.2

"tada drastuh svarupe vasthanam." 
(When thought ceases, the Transcendental 
Absolute stands by itself, refers to Itself, 
as a witness to the world.) 
- Y.S. I.1.3

Read more:

'The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali' 
http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/yoga_sutras.htm

[FairfieldLife] There is actually a very funny movie script in this news item

[turquoiseb]

It would be a perfect Seth Rogen movie. He's a schlub trapped inside a
mall during a police lock-down initiated because of reports of a
potential mass murderer inside the mall with a rifle. Typical "trapped
in a shopping mall" plot so far. But then the schlub realizes that he's
trapped inside the mall with 17 Victoria's Secret employees, several of
whom are VS models there for a promo shoot. The bad guy with the rifle
is really a good guy with an umbrella, but the models don't realize
this, and turn to the schlub to protect and comfort them. This has
blockbuster written all over it.  :-)
Umbrella Mistaken for Gun Sparks Manhunt at Burlington MallBURLINGTON,
Mass. -- A report of a man with a rifle inside a Nordstrom department
store triggered a massive police response and the evacuation of a mall
near Boston on Tuesday, but the man turned out to be carrying only an
umbrella.

The Burlington Mall was evacuated and closed for more than two hours as
a police SWAT team wearing body armor and carrying shields searched for
an armed man.

State police wrote on their Twitter account that they had received two
calls about a short white man with a gray shirt and a backpack who was
carrying what appeared to be a rifle.

It turned out the man was an employee of the Lahey Clinic, a nearby
hospital, who had stopped at the mall before work and was carrying an
umbrella. State police and the clinic said the man called police as soon
as he realized he fit the description of the person being sought. Police
questioned him and determined he was not a threat.

"The male does not have a weapon. He was reportedly holding an
umbrella," state police said in a statement. "Witnesses and surveillance
footage confirm that this is the person who was seen in the mall."

In a statement, the clinic said the employee "is pleased he took
appropriate action and contacted the police, however, he feels terrible
about the situation."

The hospital would not identify the man and said he asked that the media
respect his privacy.

The mall, an upscale shopping center about 15 miles northwest of Boston
with more than 185 stores, was featured in the 2009 Kevin James comedy
"Paul Blart: Mall Cop." It reopened shortly after 12:30 p.m.

Burlington Mall workers said they feared a mass shooting when police
told them to leave.

"Cops just came in and told us to evacuate the mall. There's a guy with
a gun," said Jose Abdul, 26, manager of a Verizon store in the mall. "I
couldn't believe it. I just legged it out of there."

Dotti Gerrior, a Victoria's Secret employee, said she and about 17 other
workers were trapped inside the store for about two hours after mall
security told them the mall was locked down.

The employees pulled down the store's security gate, then waited in a
storage area in the back of the store. They spent the time calling
friends and family to let them know they were OK, Gerrior said.

"Everyone was nervous," Gerrior said. "I really believed it, and I don't
fall for anything so easily. My heart was pounding so hard."

The initial reports also sparked a buzz on social media sites -- even on
the Burlington Mall's Facebook page -- from concerned shoppers and
relatives of mall workers. "Burlington Mall" also started trending
worldwide on Twitter.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > And oh those poor Bonder people.  What are we going to do for
> > > them?  That embodiment stuff.
> > 
> > What's your beef with embodiment? Are you suggesting that 
> > spiritual awakening should involve being disembodied?
> 
> Alex, I have no earthly idea what the term 
> "embodiment" means to Waking Down folks, but
> when you think about it, "spiritual awakening 
> should involve being disembodied" is EXACTLY
> what people who seek an end to reincarnation
> believe in. 
> 
> Whether they've examined the belief deeply or
> not, it seems to me that anyone who has bought
> into the "no longer incarnating is 'better' 
> than reincarnating" stuff has bought into the
> notion that physical existence is somehow on 
> a 'lesser' plane than the transcendental.
> 
> I don't buy it, and didn't even back when I was
> a TM TB and Maharishi was giving his, "Nope, no
> matter what, if you die in CC there is no coming
> back, period" talks. I heard them "live." If you
> listen to the tapes, you can probably hear a 
> really loud guffaw when he says this. That was
> me. It seemed to me then that anyone who sought
> an end to incarnation was more than a little
> life-averse, and had just never figured out
> what a blast life is. Haven't changed my mind
> in the years since.

Eastern spirituality very often does involve trying very hard to not "be here 
now" exactly as now is. There's a lot of focus on creating a glorified and 
perfected I/me story of the future and/or simply disregarding the I/me story 
and the relative world in general as unimportant. IMO, that's just escapism. 

The embodied awakening of Waking Down is an awakening to the paradox of being 
both limited and completely unbounded. There is no trying to destroy the ego or 
renunciation of the world in Waking Down. For me, the embodiment aspect 
involved a brutal free-fall into all the shadow stuff I'd spent decades trying 
to push away or change. There's no more denial or extreme aversion to being who 
I am as a person, exactly as I am right now. Awakening to the conscious nature 
took place in the dark night of the soul, when everything in the relative that 
I was attached to turned to ashes. 

[FairfieldLife] Searching for Eldorado

[WillyTex]

Neutrality, percipience, and non-agency

Most of everything we know is we know
through our eyes, ears, and sometimes with
our nose. That is, we observe things and
events, we see doors, tables, and chairs.

But, are there other kinds of valid knowledge?

We can also run and jump, think, and talk to
our friends. So, we also get knowledge from
experience and from others, and we can read
  books.

  [Wikipedia Commons Photo] 


Somewhere in Eldorado, Texas

In Sankhya-Yoga system, according to
Theos Bernard, writing in 'Foundations of
Hindu Philosophy', the phenomenal universe
is considered a dynamic order, "...an eternal
process unfolding, without beginning or
end."

In order to avoid the fallacy of regressus
ad infinitum, which is not consistent with
rational solutions, Samkhya postulates an
'Uncaused Cause', which remains undefined,
as it is beyond, or transcendental to, human
intellect. "This absolute is beyond time and
space, without attribute and form, and is
forever removed from empirical scrutiny".

True evolution, according to Samkhya,
exists ONLY in the transformation of cosmic
consciousness, Purusha, to the physical
substance, prakriti, and that the
manifestations of the physical and biological
world, are only modifications of five gross
elements.

This sounds very reasonable since this can
be confirmed by observation. Bernard
notes that Samkhya "...views the evolutes of
matter from its cosmic cause as a process
of unfolding, a projection of potentialities
according to fixed laws that can be
understood by man" (68).

According to the sage Kapila, creation is
impossible, for something cannot come out
of nothing; change implies something to
change; whatever is, always is, and whatever
is not, never is. As Kapila states:

"And from the contrast with that which is
composed of the three constituents, there
follows, for the Purusha, the character of
Being, a witness; freedom from misery,
neutrality, percipience, and non-agency"
(XVII).

For the investigation of the causal process,
Samkhya recognizes three means of valid
knowledge, and three only. What three?

Perception, inference, and personal
testimony - are the valid means of knowledge;
comprehended in these three, used in
particular instances depending on what is
to be known.

For example, perception is to be used for
objects which are in contact with sense
organs; inference is used for knowledge of
those things of which only the characteristic
marks are known, and testimony is used for
knowledge of those things that are beyond
the logical analysis of the mind.

Works cited:

'Foundations of Hindu Philosophy'
by Theos Bernard, Ph.D.
Author of 'Hatha Yoga', 'Penthouse of the Gods',
'Heaven Lies Within' etc., etc.
Philosophical Library, 1947

'The Samkhyakarika of Isvarakrishna'
Samkhyakarika, trans. and ed. by S. Sastri
University of Madras, 1935

[FairfieldLife] Hawk Cam

[nablusoss1008]

Violet just checked her eggs, they seem to be fine :-)

http://tinyurl.com/3p2ttdt

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > AdyaS is sitting there saying "okay you got the transcendent, it starts 
> > > from there; sit with it some more and look in to it some more". 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Look into the transcendent some more ? 
> > He sounds as a good old moodmaker.
> >
> 
> Thanks Nablusoss.  No, you missed it but you're reaction is a great example 
> of the TM'er TB.  Thanks.

Thank you :-)

[FairfieldLife] The Situation

[WillyTex]

THE SITUATION (received in email-reformatted for easy reading)

In Washington, DC at a Metro Station, on a cold January morning in 2007,
this man with a violin played six Bach pieces for about 45 minutes. 
During
that time, approximately 2,000 people went through the station, most of
them on their way to work.  After about 3 minutes, a middle-aged man
noticed that there was a musician playing.  He slowed his pace and
stopped
for a few seconds, and then he hurried on to meet his schedule.

About 4 minutes later:
The violinist received his first dollar.  A woman threw money in the hat
and,
without stopping, continued to walk.

At 6 minutes:
A young man leaned against the wall to listen to him, then looked at his
watch and started to walk again.

At 10 minutes:
A 3-year old boy stopped, but his mother tugged him along hurriedly. The
kid stopped to look at the violinist again, but the mother pushed hard
and
the child continued to walk, turning his head the whole time.  This
action
was repeated by several other children, but every parent - without
exception -
forced their children to move on quickly.

At 45 minutes:
The musician played continuously. Only 6 people stopped and listened for
a
short while. About 20 gave money but continued to walk at their normal
pace.
The man collected a total of $32.

After 1 hour:
He finished playing and silence took over. No one noticed and no one
applauded.  There was no recognition at all. No one knew this, but the
violinist was Joshua Bell, one of the greatest musicians in the world.



He played one of the most intricate pieces ever written, with a violin
worth
$3.5 million dollars.  Two days before, Joshua Bell sold-out a theater
in
Boston where the seats averaged $100 each to sit and listen to him play
the
same music. This is a true story. Joshua Bell, playing incognito in the
D.C.
Metro Station, was organized by the Washington Post as part of a social
experiment about perception, taste and people's priorities.

This experiment raised several questions:

1. In a common-place environment, at an inappropriate hour, do we
perceive beauty?

2. If so, do we stop to appreciate it?

3. Do we recognize talent in an unexpected context?

One possible conclusion reached from this experiment could be this:

If we do not have a moment to stop and listen to one of the best
musicians in the world, playing some of the finest music ever written,
with one of the most beautiful instruments ever made. How many
other things are we missing as we rush through life?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Easter Prayer

[Buck]

"As Christ resurrected his consciousness from the sepulchre of mortal 
limitations, so must you learn to resurrect your mind by meditation from the 
tomb of material desires and body confinement to the consciousness of 
omnipresence.

Resurrect your calmness from beneath the soil of restlessness; resurrect your 
wisdom from the enshrouding earthliness of ignorance; resurrect your love from 
beneath the sod of mundane human attachment  with its limited love for family, 
society, and country to divine love for all.

As Jesus withdrew his mind from the body by ecstasy and united it with 
all-pervading Spirit, so through the consciousness of Christ developed within 
yourself by constant meditation unite your soul with omniscient Spirit, your 
life with Eternal Life."

-Paramahansa Yogananda

>
> "This is my Easter prayer.  May all true devotees of God, uplifted by the 
> transparent purity of their lives, begin to radiate the Infinite Light, 
> equally present in all, even as Jesus did, and remember the long forgotten 
> truth that they are all potential Sons of God.
> 
> May each one of you be so inspired and sustained by the results of Yoga that 
> you will follow the path of Self-Realization all the way, and learn to 
> resurrect the delusion-entombed soul and commingle it in the ever new 
> vitality of Spirit.  May you thus be able to lift the soul beyond the 
> conscious and sleep states and expand it into God in the superconscious 
> sphere.
> 
> Behold thine immortal Self resurrected with Christ in the illuminating Light 
> of Christ Consciousness, present in every soul, every flower, every atom."
> 
> -Paramahansa Yogananda
>

[FairfieldLife] Easter Prayer

[Buck]

"This is my Easter prayer.  May all true devotees of God, uplifted by the 
transparent purity of their lives, begin to radiate the Infinite Light, equally 
present in all, even as Jesus did, and remember the long forgotten truth that 
they are all potential Sons of God.

May each one of you be so inspired and sustained by the results of Yoga that 
you will follow the path of Self-Realization all the way, and learn to 
resurrect the delusion-entombed soul and commingle it in the ever new vitality 
of Spirit.  May you thus be able to lift the soul beyond the conscious and 
sleep states and expand it into God in the superconscious sphere.

Behold thine immortal Self resurrected with Christ in the illuminating Light of 
Christ Consciousness, present in every soul, every flower, every atom."

-Paramahansa Yogananda 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > And oh those poor Bonder people.  What are we going to do for
> > them?  That embodiment stuff.
> 
> What's your beef with embodiment? Are you suggesting that 
> spiritual awakening should involve being disembodied?

Alex, I have no earthly idea what the term 
"embodiment" means to Waking Down folks, but
when you think about it, "spiritual awakening 
should involve being disembodied" is EXACTLY
what people who seek an end to reincarnation
believe in. 

Whether they've examined the belief deeply or
not, it seems to me that anyone who has bought
into the "no longer incarnating is 'better' 
than reincarnating" stuff has bought into the
notion that physical existence is somehow on 
a 'lesser' plane than the transcendental.

I don't buy it, and didn't even back when I was
a TM TB and Maharishi was giving his, "Nope, no
matter what, if you die in CC there is no coming
back, period" talks. I heard them "live." If you
listen to the tapes, you can probably hear a 
really loud guffaw when he says this. That was
me. It seemed to me then that anyone who sought
an end to incarnation was more than a little
life-averse, and had just never figured out
what a blast life is. Haven't changed my mind
in the years since.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > AdyaS is sitting there saying "okay you got the transcendent, it starts 
> > from there; sit with it some more and look in to it some more". 
> 
> 
> 
> Look into the transcendent some more ? 
> He sounds as a good old moodmaker.
>

Thanks Nablusoss.  No, you missed it but you're reaction is a great example of 
the TM'er TB.  Thanks.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > > and it
> > > > > > > > > > addressed 'embodiment', which was great for the Bonder > 
> > > > > > > > > > people who were
> > > > > > > > > > there.  I walked out with one of them.  she was prepared 
> > > > > > > > > > not to like him but
> > > > > > > > > > loved him after.
> > 
> > And oh those poor Bonder people.  What are we going to do for
> > them?  That embodiment stuff.
> 
> What's your beef with embodiment? Are you suggesting that spiritual awakening 
> should involve being disembodied?
>

No, I'm with AdyaS on this. It's way more than transcendence or some 
waking-down up.

http://www.youtube.com/user/vyasni#p/a/u/1/EeUYMGwXx4A

-Buck

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> > and it
> > > > > > > > > addressed 'embodiment', which was great for the Bonder > 
> > > > > > > > > people who were
> > > > > > > > > there.  I walked out with one of them.  she was prepared not 
> > > > > > > > > to like him but
> > > > > > > > > loved him after.
> 
> And oh those poor Bonder people.  What are we going to do for
> them?  That embodiment stuff.

What's your beef with embodiment? Are you suggesting that spiritual awakening 
should involve being disembodied?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Astrology reading for seventhray

[seventhray1]

Ravi,

Thank you for taking the time to do this.  I want to comment later in
the day or evening when I have some time.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
>
> Steve,
>
>
>
>
> Since chart reading can be a never ending tiresome exercise I will
just
> focus on my strengths which is personality analysis - areas of
strengths
> and weaknesses. Let me know how I did, since you didn't mind the
> initial reading to be in public I'm posting it to FFL.
>
>
>
>
> A note of caution - I have pointed out areas of strengths and
challenges
> as indicated by the positions. It's quite possible that you have
> identified and worked on dealing with the challenges since you are a
> mature adult now but I have laid them out as I see it in your chart.
>
>
>
>
> Not sure how comfortable you are with astrological jargon but I can't
> resist using them.
>
>
>
> The rising sign is Virgo which indicates a service oriented nature
soul,
> someone who is humble unassuming and a caring perfectionist. You are
> keenly observant of your environment and pay attention to details that
> others would miss. The ascendant lord Mercury in the 8th house with
Sun
> shows the powerful influence in your functioning.You have a very sharp
> penetrating intellect and powerful intuition. You arevery quick to
grasp
> people's motivations, developing strategies and subjects requiring
> research and investigation.
>
>
>
> 8th house also represents the metaphysical and this would explain your
> strong interest in spirituality. You love to explore the deeper
meaning
> in life, going beyond the ordinary sensory experiences, unexplored,
> hidden, or taboos. 8thhouse is using the powerful creative energy to
> heal, transform and rejuvenate. The 8th house is colored by the sign
of
> Aries – you are bold, energetic, independent, and quick to take
> initiative in the areas of metaphysics or anything that requires deep
> research, more of a sprinter than marathon runner, love challenges.
You
> get bored with minute details because of your ability to see the big
> picture right away. You don't like to get stuck in a rut and are
> eager to move forward. Sun conjunct Mercury indicates much mental
> energy. You are a strong thinker and proud of it. You love to explore
> hidden meaning in different angles at a high level without getting
stuck
> in details. You have a strong belief in destiny.
>
>
>
> The other important combination is the Mars and Jupiter opposition
along
> the 5th-11thaxis. Both Mars and Jupiter are exalted and Mars and
Jupiter
> is a good combination here and you are bold and energetic. Mars in the
> 5th house indicates you love action, sports, being competitive. The
> position of Mars indicates you are a very level headed guy in control
of
> your emotions withlot of self control, your energy is well directed
> towards goal oriented pursuits.
>
>
>
> Jupiter in the 11th house indicates you are a very noble, charitable
> humanitarian and you love friends, social gatherings and circles.
> Usually Jupiter here indicates association with
spiritual/philosophical
> groups because of the Jupiterian qualities of knowledge, wisdom,
> generosity and an eagerness to share this. You have a lot to offer in
> spiritual groups or circles.
>
>
>
> Now coming to the nodes Rahu & Ketu that I pay close attention to.
Rahu
> shows the areas of entrapment, the cause of rebirth, the things that
> keep you bound and Ketu shows moksha or liberation. Rahu shows where
you
> are trying to grab or overcorrect, Rahu and Ketu are always opposite
to
> each other, so Ketu shows the area where there is a void that you need
> to fill for your spiritual progress, liberation from the material
plane.
>
>
>
> Sautrn in the 3rdhouse shows your difficulty in taking a stand and
> taking initiative. You may bea man of few words and coming across as
> cold, distant and reserved. The nodes along 3rd/9th axis show that you
> avoid confrontation and conflict and find it very hard to a take a
moral
> stand or decision. You may be overwhelmed by mental overload to the
> point where you may not commit to anything which might cause problems
to
> others around you. You might have lot of conflict and battles in the
> mind which might leave you exhausted. You most likely wouldn't want
> to offend anyone and use logic to avoid taking a stand.
>
>
>
> Venus, the planet of love, emotions and refinement is also eclipsed by
> the nodes and Saturn. This suggests that your ability to express and
> receive love is one of the weakest areas. There might be issues of
> emotional blocks and feeling of worth. Venus conjunct Ketu shows that
> you have trouble in expressing love and you would rather stick tologic
> and reasoning.
>
>
>
> This pattern seems to berepeated by Moon in 12th. This is the one
> feature of your chart where the masculine planets – Mars, Jupiter
> and Sun are all very strong whereas the feminine planets Venus and
Moon
> are weak. Moon in 12th shows a very sensitive and 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:

> 
> AdyaS is sitting there saying "okay you got the transcendent, it starts from 
> there; sit with it some more and look in to it some more". 



Look into the transcendent some more ? 
He sounds as a good old moodmaker.


 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Buck]

> and it
> > > > > > > > addressed 'embodiment', which was great for the Bonder > people 
> > > > > > > > who were
> > > > > > > > there.  I walked out with one of them.  she was prepared not to 
> > > > > > > > like him but
> > > > > > > > loved him after.

And oh those poor Bonder people.  What are we going to do for them?  That 
embodiment stuff.

AdyaShanti did an amazingly good job skating a line between asking the career 
transcendenatlist TB'ers to do something with their transcendent  and then 
asking the waking-downers to meditate some more so they could do something more 
spiritually.   It was a subtle imploring of both groups.  He was good.  Of 
course the TM'ers are thinking he's just one of those no-good concentrators, 
and the Waking-downers thinking people already got it and don't need no 
stinking meditation no more.  AdyaS is sitting there saying "okay you got the 
transcendent, it starts from there; sit with it some more and look in to it 
some more".  He handled both groups really well.  He did Fairfield really well. 
 




> > > > > > > >
gness of divine love was demonstrated time and again in those who made 
themselves devotionally receptive to the [Unified Field] in Jesus.  His words 
to the woman of sinful repute gave voice to the redeeming compassion of [the 
Lagrangian Field] that responds in full measure to a devotee's heart-offering 
that is singularly replete with love..
> > 
> > Centuries of misunderstanding of Biblical concepts of sin and its supposed 
> > abomination in the sight of God have created a popularly accepted image of 
> > the Almighty whose wrath against sinners is heartless, exactingly and 
> > vengefully severe... But Saints of all religious persuasions who have 
> > entered the Divine Presence in interiorized personal communion universally 
> > declare that omnipotence is expressed not as vengeance but as compassion, 
> > love, and goodness...
> > There is no doubt about this divine assurance; Any sin, and its 
> > consequence, can be forgiven the repentant devotee who loves [the Unified 
> > Field] deeply enough, and thereby puts his life in tune with the 
> > all-compassionate Lord."
> > -Paramahansa Yogananda
> >  
> > 
> >  
> 
> 
> "The qualities of the Unified Field, as derived from the Lagrangian 
> (mathematical description of the Unified Field), are found to be developing 
> in the individual through the regular practice of spiritual Meditation."  -MMY
>

[FairfieldLife] Don't revere your holy men, eat them! (was Re: Zombie Apostles)

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Catholics have always struck me as wusses with all of their 
> > > fake "body of Christ, blood of Christ" stuff. Why not go for 
> > > the real thing?
> > > 
> > >   [http://i.imgur.com/Vl6cS.jpg]
> > 
> > Hey Turk:
> > 
> > All that stuff is only when the Romans adopted the relgion...
> > Ya' know like all that Collaseum stuff...
> > Thumbs up/thumbs down?
> > 
> > Et tu Brute?
> > 
> > Ego gone mad...
> 
> I dunno, Robert. They might have been onto something 
> with the "Eat the body of your messiah" thang. See:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planarian#Biochemical_memory_experiments
> 
> In this classic experiment, planaria worms trained 
> to react to light as if they were getting an electrical
> shock passed that memory down to their "offspring" when 
> they reproduced. Even more interesting, when the trained-
> to-be-light-averse planaria died and were cut up and fed 
> to other non-trained planaria, the new planaria exhibited 
> the same light-averse behavior. Thus the characteristics 
> that they had developed in their lives could be passed 
> along to other planaria who *ate* them.
> 
> Sure, there are some anti-cannibal critics who dump on
> this experiment and call it pseudo-science, and chalk
> it up to what they laughingly call "observer bias." But
> people say the same thing about TM science, and you 
> know how wrong *they* are. I think that this experiment
> proposes a whole new model for spiritual practice.
> 
> Based on history, not a whole heckuva lot seems to have 
> been accomplished by just revering the spiritual teachers 
> and saints of the past. People who do this tend to act
> just as badly as people who don't, and almost none of
> them wind up getting as enlightened as the guys and 
> gals they worship. 
> 
> What if they dropped all this revering of spiritual 
> teachers and saints and went for another, more scientific 
> form of worship: EAT THEM.
> 
> Find a spiritual teacher or saint that you like, wait
> (hopefully) for them to kick the bucket, and then chow
> down on some enlightened DNA or hormones. Voila. Their 
> state of consciousness becomes your state of conscious-
> ness; their enlightened traits become your enlightened 
> traits. 
> 
> I still have in my kitchen a slim, paperback book 
> called "The Yogi Cookbook." It contained some good
> Indian food recipes, and I still use it. But think
> how much more effective it would be spiritually if
> it showed us how to prepare and eat real yogis. 
> 
> Just sayin'...  :-)
> 
> P.S. For those anxious to put this theory to the
> test, wouldn't Sai Baba be a good test case? Chow
> down on a Bababurger and see if you start being able
> to manifest vibhuti and fondle young boys' genitals.
>
Well, I guess you're right...

As Bob Dylan said it best:

'Don't Follow Leaders; 

Watch the parking meters'...

Could you pass the grated cheese, pleez?

Robert

[FairfieldLife] Re: Texas wild fires and rehab

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> > 
> Oh, how fabulous, Mike. Sort of bittersweet, but must be a
> great thrill as well. Are you taking pictures, or video?
> 
> There's a red-tail couple (Violet and Bobby) that has a
> nest with three eggs on the 11th floor of an NYU building
> in Manhattan that the NY Times has a live camera on. The
> hatching window began today and will go till the 28th. I
> forgot to check today, so I don't know if anything has
> happened yet.
> 
> http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/hawk-cam-live-from-the-nest/?ref=nyregion
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/3p2ttdt


Very interesting, though Violet seems to be sound asleep while I watched :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus "self-deceived"?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> The problem I see with Jesus being a man in UC,according to M's teaching, 
> is  
> that you need a master in UC to bring you into that awareness. The master 
> enlightens the disciple with the Mahavakya, I am that, Thou art That , all 
> This 
> is That and nothing but That Is. I don't see any figures in Jesus' life to 
> fit 
> that bill. I know it's hard for many to believe the accounts of the Gospels, 
> for 
> whatever reasons they can come up with. 


Maitreya, beeing the oldest of The Masters of Wisdom is the Master of Jesus 
having "overshadowed" him for 3 years during his life in the Palestine. 
>From what I gather Jesus had severeal incarnations before the present which he 
>has had now for about 500 years, living in Italy.

Read more here:
http://www.shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/2011-03.htm

[FairfieldLife] FYI: Guidelines for Colonialism

[nablusoss1008]

« FYI: US government subsidizes Monsanto's profits – in
Brazil
   San Francisco, CA
  »   FYI:
Guidelines for ColonialismBy Raj   on
04/20/2011 in Uncategorized

Land, poverty and commerce have a website- www.landandpoverty.com
 . On it, you'll be able to register
for the World Bank's conference on these very subjects, and see the
latest iteration of the Bank's Responsible Agricultural Investment
principles – a set of rules that'll make colonial land-grabbing
exercises feel much better. Read more here
 , as well as an
analysis of the Bank's approach to land grabbing here
 .



http://rajpatel.org/blog/ 

[FairfieldLife] 5 Movie Martial Artists That Lost a Deathmatch to Dignity

[merudanda]

5 Movie Martial Artists That Lost a Deathmatch to Dignity
By:  Robert Brockway









http://tinyurl.com/3wpydu2

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Just in C.C.'??

[Ravi Yogi]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> This whole question of someone being enlightened, or in CC, BC, BS
seem
> to be so pointless to me. The only worthwhile question seems to be -"
am
> I enlightened or not?" From my perspective every person is like the
> center of the universe, so it really doesn't matter what someone else
> is, enlightenment doesn't happen to others but only to yourself.  So
> enlightenment can never be quantified or measured outside of oneself.
It
> would drive me insane when I would hear others go gaga on someone
being
> enlightened a la Barry, but unlike Barry I believed that there was a
> possibility of state beyond suffering, all discussions about how
> enlightened others were beyond my suffering and how to transcend that
> seemed so moot and worthless.
>
...And once someone does become enlightened the whole game again
becomes pointless unless they decide to then play the Guru game.

>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" babajii_99@ wrote:
> >
> > I was concerned that you meant C.C. is a static state...
> > As you said 'Jesus was only in C.C.
> > Which I think is bogus.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Anyone know anyone, who is just in CC.??
> > >
> > >
> > > Even transcending blends in other "higher" states of
consciousness,
> as everyone who has had prolonged transcending knows. I'm not sure if
> your question is serious, but CC is not a static state but is a
signpost
> on the road to development of freedom. As Jim has stated here several
> times CC is "just" compared to the glimpses of reality that has been
> revealed.
> > >
> > > However, it is possible to determine the exact state of
> consciousness of any human being. Benjamin Creme  has a system ranging
> from about o,5 to 7,o very accurately determining the point of
evolution
> of any person at the time of leaving the body. You'll find his latest
> list in "Maitreyas Mission vol. III". The updated list will hopefully
be
> published soon.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] 5 Movie Martial Artists That Lost a Deathmatch to Dignity

[merudanda]

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Conversation With Patanjali

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> 
> As (yathaa) an eyeball (akSi-paatram?) experiences (anubhavati)
> great (mahatiim) pain (piiDaam) by mere (maatreNa) touch (sparsha)
> of a fiber (tantu) of wool (uurNaa), so (tathaa) a viveki "udvij-s"
> (see footnote 3 above) in connection (anubandhena) with even (api)
> a minute (svalpa) (amount of) duHkha. 
> 

Let's assume that's a fairly correct translation. It reminds
me of what my TM teacher said (can't recall exactly when, but
most likely during the first week after my initiation), para-
phrasing:

You won't become cool as a cucumber (because of TM). In fact,
you might become more sensitive than before, but it doesn't
affect(?) your ?self/Self? anymore.

For instance, I'm sensitive "as an eyeball" to e.g. cigarette
smoke. Also emotionally, I've become almost painfully sensitive.
Furthermore, a cup of coffee nowadays makes me almost 
hypomanic, LoL! Used to drink 4 to 6 cups a day. What else?
Some colors almost make me puke, or at least surprisingly 
irritated.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Just in C.C.'??

[Ravi Yogi]

This whole question of someone being enlightened, or in CC, BC, BS seem
to be so pointless to me. The only worthwhile question seems to be -" am
I enlightened or not?" From my perspective every person is like the
center of the universe, so it really doesn't matter what someone else
is, enlightenment doesn't happen to others but only to yourself.  So
enlightenment can never be quantified or measured outside of oneself. It
would drive me insane when I would hear others go gaga on someone being
enlightened a la Barry, but unlike Barry I believed that there was a
possibility of state beyond suffering, all discussions about how
enlightened others were beyond my suffering and how to transcend that
seemed so moot and worthless.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert"  wrote:
>
> I was concerned that you meant C.C. is a static state...
> As you said 'Jesus was only in C.C.
> Which I think is bogus.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Anyone know anyone, who is just in CC.??
> >
> >
> > Even transcending blends in other "higher" states of consciousness,
as everyone who has had prolonged transcending knows. I'm not sure if
your question is serious, but CC is not a static state but is a signpost
on the road to development of freedom. As Jim has stated here several
times CC is "just" compared to the glimpses of reality that has been
revealed.
> >
> > However, it is possible to determine the exact state of
consciousness of any human being. Benjamin Creme  has a system ranging
from about o,5 to 7,o very accurately determining the point of evolution
of any person at the time of leaving the body. You'll find his latest
list in "Maitreyas Mission vol. III". The updated list will hopefully be
published soon.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Don't revere your holy men, eat them! (was Re: Zombie Apostles)

[merudanda]

8 Real Photographs That Prove Hell Exists on Earth
By:Robert Brockway

February 02, 2011
A wise and sagely woman once posited that heaven is a place on a Earth.
And if that's true, then hell is just two exits down on the left. Oh, it
exists, do not doubt it. It's real, it's right here and I have the
goddamn pictures to prove it. Literally. These are images damned by
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His Coming Shall Be Foretold
This is actually an undoctored picture of a fire at a chemical factory
in the Netherlands
 . I



In His Unholy House

The entrance to hell is a labyrinth. A vast, snaking maze of caverns
bathed in fire, where the lost and the damned wander, uncertain and
afraid, for untold eons. The fires burn so hot and for so long in those
twisted, screaming caves that the rock itself melts and drips down like
water. The burning liquid passes through skin like air; it fuses to
bone.

This is the only rain in hell.

And the crazy thing? That's actually what is happening here. This is
Fort Zverev  , and if you
couldn't deduce from the mockery of consonants in that name, it's
located in Russia


What's wrong with using the Bible as a reference for daily life,
adapt your own thoughts to it and grow?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" babajii_99@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Catholics have always struck me as wusses with all of their
> > > fake "body of Christ, blood of Christ" stuff. Why not go for
> > > the real thing?
> > >
> > >   [http://i.imgur.com/Vl6cS.jpg]
> >
> > Hey Turk:
> >
> > All that stuff is only when the Romans adopted the relgion...
> > Ya' know like all that Collaseum stuff...
> > Thumbs up/thumbs down?
> >
> > Et tu Brute?
> >
> > Ego gone mad...
>
> I dunno, Robert. They might have been onto something
> with the "Eat the body of your messiah" thang. See:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planarian#Biochemical_memory_experiments
>
> In this classic experiment, planaria worms trained
> to react to light as if they were getting an electrical
> shock passed that memory down to their "offspring" when
> they reproduced. Even more interesting, when the trained-
> to-be-light-averse planaria died and were cut up and fed
> to other non-trained planaria, the new planaria exhibited
> the same light-averse behavior. Thus the characteristics
> that they had developed in their lives could be passed
> along to other planaria who *ate* them.
>
> Sure, there are some anti-cannibal critics who dump on
> this experiment and call it pseudo-science, and chalk
> it up to what they laughingly call "observer bias." But
> people say the same thing about TM science, and you
> know how wrong *they* are. I think that this experiment
> proposes a whole new model for spiritual practice.
>
> Based on history, not a whole heckuva lot seems to have
> been accomplished by just revering the spiritual teachers
> and saints of the past. People who do this tend to act
> just as badly as people who don't, and almost none of
> them wind up getting as enlightened as the guys and
> gals they worship.
>
> What if they dropped all this revering of spiritual
> teachers and saints and went for another, more scientif

[FairfieldLife] Don't revere your holy men, eat them! (was Re: Zombie Apostles)

[Ravi Yogi]

You do a have point Barry - metaphorically you are supposed to eat the
Guru, Ammachi even composed a song where she say she is hungry and she
wants to devour Mother Kali.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" babajii_99@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Catholics have always struck me as wusses with all of their
> > > fake "body of Christ, blood of Christ" stuff. Why not go for
> > > the real thing?
> > >
> > >   [http://i.imgur.com/Vl6cS.jpg]
> >
> > Hey Turk:
> >
> > All that stuff is only when the Romans adopted the relgion...
> > Ya' know like all that Collaseum stuff...
> > Thumbs up/thumbs down?
> >
> > Et tu Brute?
> >
> > Ego gone mad...
>
> I dunno, Robert. They might have been onto something
> with the "Eat the body of your messiah" thang. See:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planarian#Biochemical_memory_experiments
>
> In this classic experiment, planaria worms trained
> to react to light as if they were getting an electrical
> shock passed that memory down to their "offspring" when
> they reproduced. Even more interesting, when the trained-
> to-be-light-averse planaria died and were cut up and fed
> to other non-trained planaria, the new planaria exhibited
> the same light-averse behavior. Thus the characteristics
> that they had developed in their lives could be passed
> along to other planaria who *ate* them.
>
> Sure, there are some anti-cannibal critics who dump on
> this experiment and call it pseudo-science, and chalk
> it up to what they laughingly call "observer bias." But
> people say the same thing about TM science, and you
> know how wrong *they* are. I think that this experiment
> proposes a whole new model for spiritual practice.
>
> Based on history, not a whole heckuva lot seems to have
> been accomplished by just revering the spiritual teachers
> and saints of the past. People who do this tend to act
> just as badly as people who don't, and almost none of
> them wind up getting as enlightened as the guys and
> gals they worship.
>
> What if they dropped all this revering of spiritual
> teachers and saints and went for another, more scientific
> form of worship: EAT THEM.
>
> Find a spiritual teacher or saint that you like, wait
> (hopefully) for them to kick the bucket, and then chow
> down on some enlightened DNA or hormones. Voila. Their
> state of consciousness becomes your state of conscious-
> ness; their enlightened traits become your enlightened
> traits.
>
> I still have in my kitchen a slim, paperback book
> called "The Yogi Cookbook." It contained some good
> Indian food recipes, and I still use it. But think
> how much more effective it would be spiritually if
> it showed us how to prepare and eat real yogis.
>
> Just sayin'...  :-)
>
> P.S. For those anxious to put this theory to the
> test, wouldn't Sai Baba be a good test case? Chow
> down on a Bababurger and see if you start being able
> to manifest vibhuti and fondle young boys' genitals.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Conversation With Patanjali

[Ravi Yogi]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
> >
> >
>
> > Are you translating Bhoga-saadhana as "experiences"?
>
> No, just 'bhoga'...
>
>
> Bhoga means -
> > worldly, materialistic; saadhana - here would be indulgence. So just
> > translating it as experiences doesn't seem to do justice to this
word.
> > All materialistic indulgences or attaching to the outer experiences,
the
> > outer world that is in a constant flux, the maaya.
>
> Here are CDSL (~ Monier-Williams) definitions of those two
> words:
>
> 1 bhoga 1 m. (1. %{bhuj}) any winding or curve , coil (of a serpent)
RV. &c. &c. ; the expanded hood of a snake Hariv. Ka1m. Pan5cat. ; a
partic. kind of military array Ka1m. ; a snake Suparn2. ; the body L.
> 2 bhoga 2 m. (3. %{bhuj}) enjoyment , eating , feeding on RV. &c. &c.
(with Jainas `" enjoying once "' , as opp. to %{upa-bhoga} , q.v.) ; use
, application S3Br. Gr2S3rS. &c. ; fruition , usufruct , use of a
deposit &c. Mn. Ya1jn5. ; sexual enjoyment Mn. MBh. &c. ;
enjñenjoyment of the earth or of a country i.e. rule , sway Ma1rkP. ;
experiencing , feeling , perception (of pleasure or pain) Mn. MBh. &c. ;
profit , utility , advantage , pleasure , delight RV. &c. &c. ; any
object of enjoyment (as food , a festival &c.) MBh. R. ; possession ,
property , wealth , revenue Mn. MBh. &c. ; hire , wages (esp. of
prostitution) L. ; (in astron.) the passing through a constellation
VarBr2S. ; the part of the ecliptic occupied by each of the 27 lunar
mansions Su1ryas. ; (in arithm.) the numerator of a fraction (?) W. ; N.
of a teacher Cat. ; (%{A}) f. N. of a Sura7n3gana1 Sin6ha7s. ; n. w.r.
for %{bhogya} or %{bhAgya}.
>
>
> sAdhana mf(%{I} or %{A}) jn. leading straight to a goal , guiding well
, furthering RV. ; effective , efficient , productive of (comp.) MBh.
Ka1v. &c. ; procuring Ka1v. ; conjuring up (a spirit) Katha1s. ;
denoting , designating , expressive of (comp.) Pa1n2. Sch. ; m. N. of
the author of RV. x , 157 (having the patr. %{bhauvana}) Anukr. ; (%{A})
f. accomplishment , performance (see %{mantra-s-}) ; propitiation ,
worship , adoration L. ; (%{am}) n. (ifc. f. %{A}) , the act of
mastering , overpowering , subduing Kir. Pan5cat. ; subdueing by charms
, conjuring up, summoning (spirits &c.) MBh. Katha1s. ; subduing a
disease , healing , cure Sus3r. MBh. &c. ; enforcing payment or recovery
(of a debt) Das3. ; bringing about , carrying out , accomplishment ,
fullilment , completion , perfection Nir. MBh. &c. ; establishment of a
truth , proof. argument , demonstration Ya1jn5. Sa1h. Sarvad. ; reason
or premiss (in a syllogism , leading to a conclusion) Mudr. v , 10 ; any
means of effecting or accomplishing , any agent or instrument or
implement or utensil or apparatus , an expedient , requisite for (gen.
or comp.) Mn. R. &c. ; a means of summoning or conjuring up a spirit (or
deity) Ka1lac. ; means or materials of warfare , military forces , army
or portion of an army (sg. and pl.) Hariv. Uttar. Ra1jat. ; conflict ,
battle S3is3. ; means of correcting or punishing (as `" a stick "' , `"
rod "' &c.) TBr. Sch. ; means of enjoyment , goods , commodities &c. R.
; efficient cause or source (in general) L. ; organ of generation (male
or female) , Sah. ; (in gram.) the sense of the instrumental or agent
(as expressed by the case of a noun , opp. to the action itself) Pat. ;
preparing , making ready , preparation (of food , poison &c.) Katha1s.
Ma1rkP. ; obtaining , procuring , gain , acquisition Ka1v. BhP. ;
finding out by calculation , computation Gan2it. ; fruit , result
Pan5cat. ; the conjugational affix or suffix which is placed between the
root and terminations (= %{vIharaNa} q.v.) Pa1n2. 8-4 , 30 Va1rtt. 1 ;
(only L. `" matter , material , substance , ingredient , drug , medicine
; good works , penance , self-mortification , attainment of beatitude ;
conciliation , propitiation , worship ; killing , destroying ; killing
metals , depriving them by oxydation &c. of their metallic properties
[esp. said of mercury] ; burning on a funeral pile , obsequies ; setting
out , proceeding , going ; going quickly ; going after , following.).
>


Sorry forgot to reply this is a very exhaustive list indeed. The word
overloading i.e. different meaning for a word based on the context used
is one of the tricky things in Sanskrit. Anyway I think Bhoga Saadhana
could indeed mean "contemplating on worldly pleasures or indulgences"

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Conversation With Patanjali

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> Continues like this (in "Sanskrit Documents",
> Transliterated & transcribed from a manuscript by : Dr. Suryanshu Ray 
>   
> suryansuray@...
> % Proofread byDr. Suryanshu Ray ):
> 
> yasmAdatyantAbhijAto yogI duHkhaleshenApyudvijate.
> 
> (yasmaat; atyanta-abhijaataH; yogii duHkha-leshena; api;
> udvijate)
> 
> That seems to mean something like:
> 
> That's why (yasmaat) an/the excessively (atyanta[1]) aware (abhijaataH[2]) 
> yogi is afflicted (udvijate[3]) even (api)
> by a very small[4] amount of duHkha.
> 
> 
> 1. atyantamfn. beyond the proper end or limit ; excessive , very great , 
> very strong ; endless , unbroken , perpetual ; absolute , perfect ;...
> 
> 2. perfect participle from 
> abhijJA   %{-jAnAti} , %{-nIte} , to recognize , perceive , know , be or 
> become aware of ; to acknowledge , agree to , own ; to remember (either with 
> the fut , p. or with %{yad} and impf.) Pa1n2. 2-2 , 112 seqq. Bhat2t2
> 
> 3. udvij  A1. %{-vijate} (raely %{-vejate} in MBh.) P. %{-vijati} 
> (rarely) , to gush or spring upwards AV. iv , 15 , 3 ; to be agitated , 
> grieved or afflicted ; to shudder , tremble , start ; to fear , be afraid of 
> (with gen. abl. or instr.) MBh. BhP. Pan5cat. &c. ; to shrink from , recede , 
> leave off S3atr. Bhat2t2. ; to frighten MBh. ii , ...
> 
> 4. leza   m. a small part or portion , particle , atom , little bit or 
> slight trace of (gen. or comp. ; %{-tas} and %***{[lesh]ena - what'
> in brackets, added by card} , Ind. = very slightly or briefly*** ; 
> %{les3a-s3as} , in small pieces R.) ...
>

And then:

 yathA \-\-\- (have no idea what those mean)
akShipAtramUrNAtantusparshamAtreNaiva mahatIM pIDAmanubhavati
netaradaN^gaM tathA vivekI svalpaduHkhAnubandhenApyudvijate .

(sandhi vigraha in ITRANS, sort of:

yathaa \-\-\-
akSi-paatram uurNaa-tantu-sparsha-maatreNa; eva mahatiiM piiDaam anubhavati 
?na;itara-an.gam?[1], tathaa vivekii svalpa-duHkha-anubandhena api; udvijate .

Let's suppose 'akSi-paatram' means 'eyeball' and 'uurNaa-tantu'
means 'fiber of wool', or stuff. Then the whole sentence could
mean something like:

As (yathaa) an eyeball (akSi-paatram?) experiences (anubhavati)
great (mahatiim) pain (piiDaam) by mere (maatreNa) touch (sparsha)
of a fiber (tantu) of wool (uurNaa), so (tathaa) a viveki "udvij-s"
(see footnote 3 above) in connection (anubandhena) with even (api)
a minute (svalpa) (amount of) duHkha. (That's) not (the case with)
the rest of the body (na+itara-an.gaM: not other limbs).


1. The original has 'netaradaN^gaM', but we couldn't make any
sense of it, so we assumed there's a typo there, and it "should"
actually be 'netarAN^gaM' (netara-an.gam < na+itara-an.gam)
 

[FairfieldLife] Don't revere your holy men, eat them! (was Re: Zombie Apostles)

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Catholics have always struck me as wusses with all of their 
> > fake "body of Christ, blood of Christ" stuff. Why not go for 
> > the real thing?
> > 
> >   [http://i.imgur.com/Vl6cS.jpg]
> 
> Hey Turk:
> 
> All that stuff is only when the Romans adopted the relgion...
> Ya' know like all that Collaseum stuff...
> Thumbs up/thumbs down?
> 
> Et tu Brute?
> 
> Ego gone mad...

I dunno, Robert. They might have been onto something 
with the "Eat the body of your messiah" thang. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planarian#Biochemical_memory_experiments

In this classic experiment, planaria worms trained 
to react to light as if they were getting an electrical
shock passed that memory down to their "offspring" when 
they reproduced. Even more interesting, when the trained-
to-be-light-averse planaria died and were cut up and fed 
to other non-trained planaria, the new planaria exhibited 
the same light-averse behavior. Thus the characteristics 
that they had developed in their lives could be passed 
along to other planaria who *ate* them.

Sure, there are some anti-cannibal critics who dump on
this experiment and call it pseudo-science, and chalk
it up to what they laughingly call "observer bias." But
people say the same thing about TM science, and you 
know how wrong *they* are. I think that this experiment
proposes a whole new model for spiritual practice.

Based on history, not a whole heckuva lot seems to have 
been accomplished by just revering the spiritual teachers 
and saints of the past. People who do this tend to act
just as badly as people who don't, and almost none of
them wind up getting as enlightened as the guys and 
gals they worship. 

What if they dropped all this revering of spiritual 
teachers and saints and went for another, more scientific 
form of worship: EAT THEM.

Find a spiritual teacher or saint that you like, wait
(hopefully) for them to kick the bucket, and then chow
down on some enlightened DNA or hormones. Voila. Their 
state of consciousness becomes your state of conscious-
ness; their enlightened traits become your enlightened 
traits. 

I still have in my kitchen a slim, paperback book 
called "The Yogi Cookbook." It contained some good
Indian food recipes, and I still use it. But think
how much more effective it would be spiritually if
it showed us how to prepare and eat real yogis. 

Just sayin'...  :-)

P.S. For those anxious to put this theory to the
test, wouldn't Sai Baba be a good test case? Chow
down on a Bababurger and see if you start being able
to manifest vibhuti and fondle young boys' genitals.