[FairfieldLife] Re: John E. Mack; Millinons are today being approached by aliens
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Hey Nabs, Have you ever seen a UFO where you live? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: efeature=related I saw a Mothership very close in Berlin, perhaps 300 meters away at 5 AM 3 years ago. First UFO I saw was above Maharishis's hotel somewhere in France where it was hovering for several minutes. In this scientific age noone belives in UFO's, no ? But if you see one, don't enter it -Maharishi
[FairfieldLife] Nokia N8-Belle faster than iPhone 4S??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4XRcZs0iaofeature=related From the comments: I have a N8 and it's faster than my iPhone 4s You are using the oldest and slowest software. Update it to#65279; Symbian Belle. It's a whole lot better visually and performance. That might be true. True, I don't have an iPhone, but my N8 became way faster and cooler after I installed Belle!! (Not called *Symbian* Belle anymore...)
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi and Merv Griffin
A charming 2-minute snippet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWYhbifO5J4feature=related Maharishi and Merv Griffin Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] EXALTATION OF GURU AND SANI IN SEPTEMBER 2014
JYOTISH - CHART of the 15. September 2014, 1. HOUSE GURU IN 4 2. HOUSE SUKRA, SUN IN 5 3. HOUSE BUD, RAHU IN 6 4. HOUSE SANI IN 7 5. HOUSE MANGAL IN 8 9. HOUSE KETU IN 12 11.HOUSE CHANDRA IN 2 4 PLANETS EXALTED GURU, SANI, BUD, CHANDRA AND 2 PLANETS IN OWN HOUSE SUN, MANGAL THIS IS THE PEAK POINT OF THE 3 MONTH EXALTATION OF SANI AND GURU, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER 2014, WHAT HAPPENS ONLY EVERY 60 YEARS ... ENjOY MICHAEL MERLIN PS IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, QUESTION OR COMMENT, PLEASE SEND DIRECTLY TO MY EMAIL-ADRESS merlin vedamer...@yahoo.de
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies
On Feb 8, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: Barry! You responded to my post - maybe I'm not on your DNRL after all - so good for my ego to be acknowledged in the world of virtual reality - thank you :) I believe Robin had plenty to *individually* evaluate from Vaj's posts, but that's just IMO. And a rather naive one. In the presence of long and on-going disinformation campaigns, it would be extremely unlikely that a responder would have a clear way to evaluate someone. And of course, that includes you as well. Suffice to say that Robin totally fell hook, line and sinker for the disinformation he was fed - most of it based on items I had never discussed in his brief tenure here, so clearly it had to come from another source. So when you see someone spewing what you absolutely know to be disinformation, it's easy for me to see the source, but Robin either let himself be deliberately deceived and played along or he was totally bamboozled by character assassination tactics. In turns out, despite the verbosity, R. wasn't that intuitive, not that insightful and rather unenlightened from my POV. It was rather sad to watch. But then I had some past experience with which to evaluate him by way of comparison.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Judyatri Mantra
Whew, I missed this post yesterday morning. Barry, you must have gotten out of bed yesterday having laid there for hours composing this in your head. Talk about coming out of the gate like a racehorse. This has practically taken my breath away. Now this is the first really mean post I have seen and, yes I am the newbie so I'm sure this ain't nothin', but I think it's something. There is obviously lots of history and animosity here for Judy on your part because it just exploded all over my screen. Now far be it for me to fight other people's fights here, I gather that is just not done, everyone is a grown up and more than capable of looking after themselves. But Barry, can I object to some of the imagery here, uh let's see, which is the most odious, oh yea, let's start with, She's just a parrot, echoing other people's thoughts, a mere skidmark on the underwear of spirituality. So now we are on to the scatological references, you can usually count on something like this to come out of the mouth of a 12 year old but having seen your picture I know you have to be older than that possibly even a grandfather based on the fact you are cradling a small and beautiful infant in one of them? Come on Barry. Now this post is probably partly meant for me, being the innocent on the block, but the tone and manner of the posting is enough to warn me off of YOU, not her. I can only chalk it up to years of frustration and anger you have felt as a result of her dialogues with you. You have had more than enough. So why are you still talking to her, talking ABOUT her?? Let others judge for themselves and if it is really so grating for you then you need to find a way to stop obsessing about it. If it is true, then I am sure we can all see what she does. Maybe I am blind, but so far, until this post of yours, I have enjoyed my interactions with you, you may be a bit of a curmudgeon at times (in my humble opinion), a bit surly but basically it has been fun contrasting stories Rama/Robin etc. I have no problem with Curtis, I think he is an extremely talented, smart, funny guy who is willing to interact in a way that is truthful, as far as I can tell, and revealing. Vaj is no evil being, I don't understand his motivation and I think he needs to come to terms with his hostility, but I've seen worse. Barry asserts, And I understand why. First, intellectually, she's a bit of a lightweight. She really doesn't have that much to say, other than to edit the posts of people who DO have something to say. She never became a TM teacher, she never committed full-time to TM or any other spiritual organization, and she's had no experiences of any of the higher states of consciousness she loves to argue about *as if she were knowledgeable about them*. Why do you always contend that the people you don't like or find annoying are intellectually lacking? This intellect thing seems to be a big one for you. It doesn't rate that highly in my books compared to other traits like, say, heart, courage and wisdom, but hey, we all have our pet characteristics. So if intellect is a priority for you, great. But I think you lost just a teentsy bit of your credibility here when you said that. There is not a single person on FFL who doubts Judy could think circles around every one of us. She has an analytical, logical and very organized mind. I wouldn't have picked her intellect as her Achilles heel. Nope. And as far as Judy not having experience in higher states of consciousness thus she can not adequately comment on this subject may I just ask, Will all of you who recently had a brush with UC please raise your hand? I have to go now, the horses need to be fed and I need to shovel some poop. But it's been fun, and oh, I'll watch out for Judy, luckily she is on the back bench for another day, good thing because staying clear of her influence has been tough. I needed a few days break to strengthen my resolve. Bye for now! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: In my post #303289, I made some predictions as to what Judy and to a lesser extent her partner-in-character-assassination Raunchydog would DO in the wake of Robin's self-destruction. In my opinion they did exactly what I predicted that week. This week, I started my own posting week by commenting on a comment from Ann that Judy had come out of the gate like a racehorse with a further comment and prediction: And, for yet another week, intent on proving she's obsessed with Barry, Curtis, and Vaj. I contend that she did exactly that. I won't bother to count the number of posts in which she tried her best to turn the conversation here at FFL back to the Gotta get Barry, Curtis and Vaj meme; you can do that yourselves if you want. My bet is that well over 50% of her posts this last week can be seen as falling into that category. What I think Ann and other newbies don't perceive -- yet -- is how much of a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies
I believe Robin had plenty to *individually* evaluate from Vaj's posts, but that's just IMO. Vaj: In the presence of long and on-going disinformation campaigns, Who can forget all that dis-information you posted about MMY murdering SBS by putting poison in his food, or was it the 'cook' that did it? Subject: Re: Reality Distortion Field Author: Vaj Newsgroups: Yahoo! FairfieldLife Date: Saturday Nov 5, 2011 2:26 pm FairfieldLife/message/294401 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/294401 it would be extremely unlikely that a responder would have a clear way to evaluate someone. And of course, that includes you as well. And, you as well! What, no mention of the poisoning? What's with all the disinformation campaign you've been on and posting all over the internet? Just be honest, Vaj. Subject: Re: Inside the Jyotirmath Author: Vaj Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: September 14, 2005 9:01 am http://tinyurl.com/7nhh8w4 http://tinyurl.com/7nhh8w4%20 Suffice to say that Robin totally fell hook, line and sinker for the disinformation he was fed - Apparent so. LoL! Subject: Re: Reality Distortion Field Author: Vaj Newsgroups: Yahoo! FairfieldLife Date: Saturday Nov 5, 2011 2:26 pm FairfieldLife/message/294401 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/294401 So, Vajradhatu, I find it difficult to believe you've never participated at the 'Karmê Chöling' in Barnet, Vermont or sat at 'Vajradhatu' in Halifax, Nova Scotia! Don't you live up there anymore? Go figure. http://www.tailofthetiger.org/ http://www.tailofthetiger.org/ http://www.gampoabbey.org/ http://www.gampoabbey.org/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Judyatri Mantra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Whew, I missed this post yesterday morning. Barry, you must have gotten out of bed yesterday having laid there for hours composing this in your head. No, it was spontaneous, over coffee, just the result of watching another week of what has been going on for seventeen years. Talk about coming out of the gate like a racehorse. This has practically taken my breath away. Now this is the first really mean post I have seen and, yes I am the newbie so I'm sure this ain't nothin', but I think it's something. There is obviously lots of history and animosity here for Judy on your part because it just exploded all over my screen. Ann, it's just that I was hoping (naively) that now that Judy's minions (and they *were* minions) have bit the dust, she might give the Gotta get Barry/ Curtis/Vaj thing a break, even for a week or two. Silly me. Any animosity on my part is the result of having spent SEVENTEEN YEARS knowing that almost every day of those years I could look forward to one or more posts from Judy dissing or actively demonizing one of these three people. Yes, if you're a newbie here, and used to dealing with sane people, this sounds like a crazy claim. But we're talking about Judy, and she's bat shit crazy. It really HAS been going on (in my case) for seventeen years. In Vaj's and Curtis', slightly less, but also for YEARS. We're fuckin' tired of it. Now far be it for me to fight other people's fights here, I gather that is just not done, everyone is a grown up and more than capable of looking after themselves. But Barry, can I object to some of the imagery here, uh let's see, which is the most odious, oh yea, let's start with, She's just a parrot, echoing other people's thoughts, a mere skidmark on the underwear of spirituality. That's how I see her importance in the history of spiritual thought. I kinda liked the image. Too bad if you did't like it. So now we are on to the scatological references, you can usually count on something like this to come out of the mouth of a 12 year old but having seen your picture I know you have to be older than that possibly even a grandfather based on the fact you are cradling a small and beautiful infant in one of them? Come on Barry. It was written for effect. Obviously, it worked. It is also my honest opinion of her intellectual worth. Now this post is probably partly meant for me, being the innocent on the block, but the tone and manner of the posting is enough to warn me off of YOU, not her. Fine. I was just telling you what to expect. WAIT AND SEE. If it doesn't happen, I was wrong. If you're still around, get back to me a year from now and tell me then that I was wrong. Try noticing every time Judy finds the need to demonize one of the three of us for even the next *month* and see if she might just be a tad obsessed by the need to do so. I'm not telling you what to believe, merely suggesting to you some trends you might just telling you might look for. I can only chalk it up to years of frustration and anger you have felt as a result of her dialogues with you. You would be correct in this assumption. You have had more than enough. So why are you still talking to her, talking ABOUT her?? Because she's still actively trying to suck others into her obsession, and often succeeding. The last generation of her dedicated minions have now bit the dust, and she's obviously ramping up to recruit a new generation of them. If I'm wrong, what I say will prove itself false over the next few weeks and months. If I'm right, that also will prove itself true. If you're truly objective, WAIT AND SEE. Don't judge merely based on This can't be true...it sounds crazy. It IS crazy. This is Judy we're talking about. Vaj is far from the only person here to suggest that she's pretty much textbook Border- line Personality Disordered. Here's an experiment for you. I'll stop talking about her, for at least the next week. And I'll try my best not to attack others here, as she claims I do and as she uses as an excuse to keep attacking me. If she continues to attack me, and the others on her Enemies List, then a case can be made for me being right. If that doesn't happen, I was wrong. I have left all of the power in this situation up to her. And I have left the ability to judge it up to people like you. Try to do so. But don't be naive enough to try to judge based on three weeks' experience. Get back to me in three months and tell me what you think then. Deal?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies
Actually, I didn't mean evaluate it in the sense of *someone* he was evaluating, just *what* he was evaluating (your posts/words online) that were also available for the rest of us to read. I didn't make a judgment on whether you were perpetuating falsehoods or not, as I really have no idea. I did decide that the way you communicated to him was in large part contemptuous (e.g., calling him Robindra). Of course I don't know the back story...you never illuminated this for the readers in a way that fostered credibility. But, it wasn't my discussion and still isn't; I'm pretty clear on that. I was responding to a comment that Barry made in his post with this comment. From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies On Feb 8, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: Barry! You responded to my post - maybe I'm not on your DNRL after all - so good for my ego to be acknowledged in the world of virtual reality - thank you :) I believe Robin had plenty to *individually* evaluate from Vaj's posts, but that's just IMO. And a rather naive one. In the presence of long and on-going disinformation campaigns, it would be extremely unlikely that a responder would have a clear way to evaluate someone. And of course, that includes you as well. Suffice to say that Robin totally fell hook, line and sinker for the disinformation he was fed - most of it based on items I had never discussed in his brief tenure here, so clearly it had to come from another source. So when you see someone spewing what you absolutely know to be disinformation, it's easy for me to see the source, but Robin either let himself be deliberately deceived and played along or he was totally bamboozled by character assassination tactics. In turns out, despite the verbosity, R. wasn't that intuitive, not that insightful and rather unenlightened from my POV. It was rather sad to watch. But then I had some past experience with which to evaluate him by way of comparison.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies
Emily Reyn: Barry! You responded to my post - maybe I'm not on your DNRL after all - so good for my ego to be acknowledged in the world of virtual reality - thank you :) Emily - Watch out, you've elected to dialog with two informants that have posted more disinformation on the internet than anyone I know - virtual reality. Turq believes in a 'self' - Vaj does not - both mixed up. :) Go figure. In order to reach Nirvana, you must cross over to the other side. So, you use a boat to cross over. When you get to Nirvana, you find that there is no other side. So, you will look silly carrying a boat around on your head all the time. - Shakya the Muni http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana
[FairfieldLife] GM food banned in Monsanto canteen
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies
When you get to Nirvana, you find that there is no other side. This I like. I also started watching Rick's latest Batgap interview and ended up reading about the method of self-inquiry last night and the concept of I, which I found very interesting. There was a picture of Sri Ramana Maharshi behind Eli Jaxon-Bear; Ramana was the teacher of his teacher, Papaji. I don't know if he put that up on purpose or if it was coincidence :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-enquiry From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 8:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies Emily Reyn: Barry! You responded to my post - maybe I'm not on your DNRL after all - so good for my ego to be acknowledged in the world of virtual reality - thank you :) Emily - Watch out, you've elected to dialog with two informants that have posted more disinformation on the internet than anyone I know - virtual reality. Turq believes in a 'self' - Vaj does not - both mixed up. :) Go figure. In order to reach Nirvana, you must cross over to the other side. So, you use a boat to cross over. When you get to Nirvana, you find that there is no other side. So, you will look silly carrying a boat around on your head all the time. - Shakya the Muni http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana
[FairfieldLife] PEOPLE FLYING IN NYC
Its been done! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcDN409ZBv4
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies
On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Emily Reyn wrote: Actually, I didn't mean evaluate it in the sense of *someone* he was evaluating, just *what* he was evaluating (your posts/words online) that were also available for the rest of us to read. I didn't make a judgment on whether you were perpetuating falsehoods or not, as I really have no idea. I did decide that the way you communicated to him was in large part contemptuous (e.g., calling him Robindra). Of course I don't know the back story...you never illuminated this for the readers in a way that fostered credibility. But, it wasn't my discussion and still isn't; I'm pretty clear on that. I was responding to a comment that Barry made in his post with this comment. One of Robin's old benefactors referred to him, to close friends, as Robinda. This was meant to be a loving pet name that combined the name Robin with Govinda. Govinda is one of the line holders in the TM Holy tradition, so the hidden joke was that Robin was a newer enlightened person in that line: Robinda. I merely updated it to Robindra because it sounded closer to Rabindra, as in Rabindra-nath Tagore, given Robin's penchant for excessive writing, speechifying and poeticizing. So it was meant to be a loving but funny nickname. The kind of thing you affectionately laugh about. In fact this friend had pet names for many of his friends. It's really not that different from the gang that probably hangs out at your local fire department and has old nicknames for each other: Sparky or Colonel or whatever. Generally such behavior is how men express affection for each other in a way that feels socially acceptable but not gay.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Judyatri Mantra
Well, I've been here a bit over 6 months, and I haven't seen Judy demonize anyone. I've seen her debate, discuss, comment, state her opinions, correct the facts, disagree, agree, etc., but not demonize. Once in awhile she uses standard name-calling in the heat of the debate, but usually she is more creative than that, and I've read many posts from others that do the same. She is human too, after all. I've seen her own up to what her opinions are on you or Curtis or Vaj and why she has those opinions on many occasions. Barry, I like to see you directly owning your opinion as well. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 7:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Judyatri Mantra --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Whew, I missed this post yesterday morning. Barry, you must have gotten out of bed yesterday having laid there for hours composing this in your head. No, it was spontaneous, over coffee, just the result of watching another week of what has been going on for seventeen years. Talk about coming out of the gate like a racehorse. This has practically taken my breath away. Now this is the first really mean post I have seen and, yes I am the newbie so I'm sure this ain't nothin', but I think it's something. There is obviously lots of history and animosity here for Judy on your part because it just exploded all over my screen. Ann, it's just that I was hoping (naively) that now that Judy's minions (and they *were* minions) have bit the dust, she might give the Gotta get Barry/ Curtis/Vaj thing a break, even for a week or two. Silly me. Any animosity on my part is the result of having spent SEVENTEEN YEARS knowing that almost every day of those years I could look forward to one or more posts from Judy dissing or actively demonizing one of these three people. Yes, if you're a newbie here, and used to dealing with sane people, this sounds like a crazy claim. But we're talking about Judy, and she's bat shit crazy. It really HAS been going on (in my case) for seventeen years. In Vaj's and Curtis', slightly less, but also for YEARS. We're fuckin' tired of it. Now far be it for me to fight other people's fights here, I gather that is just not done, everyone is a grown up and more than capable of looking after themselves. But Barry, can I object to some of the imagery here, uh let's see, which is the most odious, oh yea, let's start with, She's just a parrot, echoing other people's thoughts, a mere skidmark on the underwear of spirituality. That's how I see her importance in the history of spiritual thought. I kinda liked the image. Too bad if you did't like it. So now we are on to the scatological references, you can usually count on something like this to come out of the mouth of a 12 year old but having seen your picture I know you have to be older than that possibly even a grandfather based on the fact you are cradling a small and beautiful infant in one of them? Come on Barry. It was written for effect. Obviously, it worked. It is also my honest opinion of her intellectual worth. Now this post is probably partly meant for me, being the innocent on the block, but the tone and manner of the posting is enough to warn me off of YOU, not her. Fine. I was just telling you what to expect. WAIT AND SEE. If it doesn't happen, I was wrong. If you're still around, get back to me a year from now and tell me then that I was wrong. Try noticing every time Judy finds the need to demonize one of the three of us for even the next *month* and see if she might just be a tad obsessed by the need to do so. I'm not telling you what to believe, merely suggesting to you some trends you might just telling you might look for. I can only chalk it up to years of frustration and anger you have felt as a result of her dialogues with you. You would be correct in this assumption. You have had more than enough. So why are you still talking to her, talking ABOUT her?? Because she's still actively trying to suck others into her obsession, and often succeeding. The last generation of her dedicated minions have now bit the dust, and she's obviously ramping up to recruit a new generation of them. If I'm wrong, what I say will prove itself false over the next few weeks and months. If I'm right, that also will prove itself true. If you're truly objective, WAIT AND SEE. Don't judge merely based on This can't be true...it sounds crazy. It IS crazy. This is Judy we're talking about. Vaj is far from the only person here to suggest that she's pretty much textbook Border- line Personality Disordered. Here's an experiment for you. I'll stop talking about her, for at least the next week. And I'll try my best not to attack others here, as she claims I do and as she uses as an excuse to keep attacking me. If
[FairfieldLife] GM food banned in Monsanto canteen
Environment http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/ GM food banned in Monsanto canteen By Michael McCarthy, Environment Correspondent http://www.independent.co.uk/search/simple.do?destinationSectionUniqueN\ ame=searchpublicationName=indpageLength=5startDay=1startMonth=1star\ tYear=2010useSectionFilter=trueuseHideArticle=truesearchString=byline\ _text:(%22By Michael McCarthy, Environment Correspondent%22)displaySearchString=By Michael McCarthy, Environment Correspondent Wednesday 22 December 1999 Monsanto, the biggest promoter of genetically modified food, was hoist with its own petar when it was disclosed that it has a staff canteen in which GM produce is banned. Monsanto, the biggest promoter of genetically modified food, was hoist with its own petar when it was disclosed that it has a staff canteen in which GM produce is banned. The firm running the canteen at Monsanto's pharmaceuticals factory at High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, serves only GM-free meals, Friends of the Earth said. In a notice in the canteen, Sutcliffe Catering, owned by the Granada Group, said it had taken the decision to remove, as far as practicable, GM soya and maize from all food products served in our restaurant. We have taken the above steps to ensure that you, the customer, can feel confident in the food we serve. Monsanto confirmed the position. Yes, this is the case, and it is because we believe in choice, said the company's spokesman, Tony Coombes. But employees at Monsanto's agribusiness plant at Cambridge were happy to eat GM produce, he said. The notice in the restaurant there says some products may contain GMOs [genetically modified organisms] - because our staff are happy to eat food sprayed with fewer chemicals. Monsanto says crops engineered to be tolerant of its own weedkillers need less pesticide, but critics say that though the dosage may be less, the impact on the environment of these pesticides is much greater. Adrian Bebb, Friends of the Earth's food campaigner, said: The public has made its concerns about GM ingredients very clear - now it appears that even Monsanto's own catering firm has no confidence in this new technology.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies
O..that is funny. Didn't seem like the context of your comments using that name for him was loving at the time :) From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Emily Reyn wrote: Actually, I didn't mean evaluate it in the sense of *someone* he was evaluating, just *what* he was evaluating (your posts/words online) that were also available for the rest of us to read. I didn't make a judgment on whether you were perpetuating falsehoods or not, as I really have no idea. I did decide that the way you communicated to him was in large part contemptuous (e.g., calling him Robindra). Of course I don't know the back story...you never illuminated this for the readers in a way that fostered credibility. But, it wasn't my discussion and still isn't; I'm pretty clear on that. I was responding to a comment that Barry made in his post with this comment. One of Robin's old benefactors referred to him, to close friends, as Robinda. This was meant to be a loving pet name that combined the name Robin with Govinda. Govinda is one of the line holders in the TM Holy tradition, so the hidden joke was that Robin was a newer enlightened person in that line: Robinda. I merely updated it to Robindra because it sounded closer to Rabindra, as in Rabindra-nath Tagore, given Robin's penchant for excessive writing, speechifying and poeticizing. So it was meant to be a loving but funny nickname. The kind of thing you affectionately laugh about. In fact this friend had pet names for many of his friends. It's really not that different from the gang that probably hangs out at your local fire department and has old nicknames for each other: Sparky or Colonel or whatever. Generally such behavior is how men express affection for each other in a way that feels socially acceptable but not gay.
[FairfieldLife] Brhaspati: emphasize the substance, ignore the shadows
We are the Materialists, one of the schools of Indian Philosophy, founded by Brhaspati, and very old. We have always existed, and we will exist at the end of time. Our teacher is Ajitakeshakambalin, (of the hair-blanket), so-called because he wanted to be having a hair-blanket wrapped about him at all times. We believe in four elements. Our motto is emphasize the substance, ignore the shadows. Perception is rejected as a valid means of knowledge and we reject inference as a leap in the dark. Verbal testimony is a lie. In fact we reject all means of knowledge. Earth, water, fire, and air are reality. Enjoyment is the true end of human existence. Consciousness is a product of the elements, an epi-phenomenon, and the senses are the by-product of matter. There is no other world and no individual soul: death is liberation. There is no returning here again. The three authors of the Vedas were clowns, buffoons, and knaves. Eat, drink and be merry. Pleasure is a fact, desired by all. After all, all humans are animals, and satisfaction is as natural as life itself. Vatsyana: No pleasure should be neglected. 'Complete Kama Sutra' By Alain Danielou Park Street Press, 1994 http://tinyurl.com/7qbx5hz http://tinyurl.com/7qbx5hz Note: If you have any doubts concerning this information you must be consulting with Sanjaya - he was neither a theist, an athiest nor a non-thiest nor a tarka, but a Skeptic who doubted everything. But, be forewarned to never to consult the works of one Charvaka or Gosala.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brhaspati: emphasize the substance, ignore the shadows
Are you saying that we are gods? So, we should enjoy everything that we do and have here on earth? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: We are the Materialists, one of the schools of Indian Philosophy, founded by Brhaspati, and very old. We have always existed, and we will exist at the end of time. Our teacher is Ajitakeshakambalin, (of the hair-blanket), so-called because he wanted to be having a hair-blanket wrapped about him at all times. We believe in four elements. Our motto is emphasize the substance, ignore the shadows. Perception is rejected as a valid means of knowledge and we reject inference as a leap in the dark. Verbal testimony is a lie. In fact we reject all means of knowledge. Earth, water, fire, and air are reality. Enjoyment is the true end of human existence. Consciousness is a product of the elements, an epi-phenomenon, and the senses are the by-product of matter. There is no other world and no individual soul: death is liberation. There is no returning here again. The three authors of the Vedas were clowns, buffoons, and knaves. Eat, drink and be merry. Pleasure is a fact, desired by all. After all, all humans are animals, and satisfaction is as natural as life itself. Vatsyana: No pleasure should be neglected. 'Complete Kama Sutra' By Alain Danielou Park Street Press, 1994 http://tinyurl.com/7qbx5hz http://tinyurl.com/7qbx5hz Note: If you have any doubts concerning this information you must be consulting with Sanjaya - he was neither a theist, an athiest nor a non-thiest nor a tarka, but a Skeptic who doubted everything. But, be forewarned to never to consult the works of one Charvaka or Gosala.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brhaspati: emphasize the substance, ignore the shadows
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Are you saying that we are gods? So, we should enjoy everything that we do and have here on earth? As usual, I have no idea what Willytex might have been trying to say. If you were asking me to respond to your two questions, my answer would be, No on 1, Yes on 2. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: We are the Materialists, one of the schools of Indian Philosophy, founded by Brhaspati, and very old. We have always existed, and we will exist at the end of time. Our teacher is Ajitakeshakambalin, (of the hair-blanket), so-called because he wanted to be having a hair-blanket wrapped about him at all times. We believe in four elements. Our motto is emphasize the substance, ignore the shadows. Perception is rejected as a valid means of knowledge and we reject inference as a leap in the dark. Verbal testimony is a lie. In fact we reject all means of knowledge. Earth, water, fire, and air are reality. Enjoyment is the true end of human existence. Consciousness is a product of the elements, an epi-phenomenon, and the senses are the by-product of matter. There is no other world and no individual soul: death is liberation. There is no returning here again. The three authors of the Vedas were clowns, buffoons, and knaves. Eat, drink and be merry. Pleasure is a fact, desired by all. After all, all humans are animals, and satisfaction is as natural as life itself. Vatsyana: No pleasure should be neglected. 'Complete Kama Sutra' By Alain Danielou Park Street Press, 1994 http://tinyurl.com/7qbx5hz http://tinyurl.com/7qbx5hz Note: If you have any doubts concerning this information you must be consulting with Sanjaya - he was neither a theist, an athiest nor a non-thiest nor a tarka, but a Skeptic who doubted everything. But, be forewarned to never to consult the works of one Charvaka or Gosala.
[FairfieldLife] Steve Jobs Funniest Joke
Bill Gates loved the joke. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marital_astrology/message/2335
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies
On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Emily Reyn wrote: O..that is funny. Didn't seem like the context of your comments using that name for him was loving at the time :) That can happen when someone begins saying things about you based not upon anything you've said, but on what others have told them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies
No, no, no, Vaj. Stopgeez...I relied on my own discernment based on the posts I was reading coming across the screen and the energy and tone of the comments, as I interpreted them at the time. No one is telling me anything that I am summarily accepting as truth for me, be assured of that, and I reserve the right to come to my own conclusions and change my mind at any time, kind of like Steve was saying, as his thought process evolved from post to post :) I don't hold grudges here in forum land long - there is nothing to gain and it gets in the way of the humor. From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Emily Reyn wrote: O..that is funny. Didn't seem like the context of your comments using that name for him was loving at the time :) That can happen when someone begins saying things about you based not upon anything you've said, but on what others have told them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies
Emily, sometime back, perhaps in the Fall, you mentioned that you were going to take instruction the following week at seattleinsight.org. Did you ever go and get instruction in Mindfullness meditation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: When you get to Nirvana, you find that there is no other side. This I like.  I also started watching Rick's latest Batgap interview and ended up reading about the method of self-inquiry last night and the concept of I, which I found very interesting.  There was a picture of Sri Ramana Maharshi behind Eli Jaxon-Bear; Ramana was the teacher of his teacher, Papaji.  I don't know if he put that up on purpose or if it was coincidence :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-enquiry From: Richard J. Williams richard@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 8:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies  Emily Reyn: Barry! You responded to my post - maybe I'm not on your DNRL after all - so good for my ego to be acknowledged in the world of virtual reality - thank you :) Emily - Watch out, you've elected to dialog with two informants that have posted more disinformation on the internet than anyone I know - virtual reality. Turq believes in a 'self' - Vaj does not - both mixed up. :) Go figure. In order to reach Nirvana, you must cross over to the other side. So, you use a boat to cross over. When you get to Nirvana, you find that there is no other side. So, you will look silly carrying a boat around on your head all the time. - Shakya the Muni http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies
Azgrey, thank you for asking. I followed up far enough to look at their schedule, because I wanted to take the class for beginners, but it conflicted with my school schedule and then the holidays arrived and my daughter was home for 6 weeks, precipitating another need for a family counselor. The next class also conflicts with my last quarter in school, so I may not be able to pursue participation until the end of March. It's on the list however; do you have an opinion? This post reminds me that I have a couple of books by Thich Nhat Hanh that I could go search for. From: azgrey no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 11:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies Emily, sometime back, perhaps in the Fall, you mentioned that you were going to take instruction the following week at seattleinsight.org. Did you ever go and get instruction in Mindfullness meditation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: When you get to Nirvana, you find that there is no other side. This I like.  I also started watching Rick's latest Batgap interview and ended up reading about the method of self-inquiry last night and the concept of I, which I found very interesting.  There was a picture of Sri Ramana Maharshi behind Eli Jaxon-Bear; Ramana was the teacher of his teacher, Papaji.  I don't know if he put that up on purpose or if it was coincidence :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-enquiry From: Richard J. Williams richard@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 8:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies  Emily Reyn: Barry! You responded to my post - maybe I'm not on your DNRL after all - so good for my ego to be acknowledged in the world of virtual reality - thank you :) Emily - Watch out, you've elected to dialog with two informants that have posted more disinformation on the internet than anyone I know - virtual reality. Turq believes in a 'self' - Vaj does not - both mixed up. :) Go figure. In order to reach Nirvana, you must cross over to the other side. So, you use a boat to cross over. When you get to Nirvana, you find that there is no other side. So, you will look silly carrying a boat around on your head all the time. - Shakya the Muni http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana
[FairfieldLife] Everybody Knows
Sharon Robinson - Everybody Knows. She's got such a great voice.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UsomHnjLXQfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Review: Inside Men
A new TV series debuted this week in the UK, and because I had put it on my watch list for some reason, I found it and checked it out. It's called Inside Men, and stars an actor known in Britain for his TV work named Steven Macintosh. If it's a hit in the UK (as it appears it will be given initial reviews), it will probably show up on US TV sooner or later. Thus the heads-up. Steven Mackintosh is one of those genius character actors who so throw themselves into their parts that you can't tell there is an actor there. As has been noted by some critics, if someone asked you to describe him an hour after having seen him in a movie or TV show that you loved, you would be unable to do so. That said, his DCI Ian Reed in the first season of Luther was easily the third-most memorable character in the series. Given that the first two were Idris Elba as DCI John Luther and Ruth Wilson as the charming sociopath Alice Morgan, coming in third still may still grant you entry into the Interesting TV And Movie Character Hall Of Fame. His performance in this series is backed up by equally excellent actors Nicola Walker (from MI-5, a.k.a. Spooks) and Ashley Walters. In the first episode of Inside Men, John Coniston (Mackintosh) is that most bland and invisible of British men, manager of a cash counting house who is fastidious and compulsive enough to catch even a 5-pound discrepancy in his books. In his own house, he's married, heavily mortgaged, and barely scraping by. He has always played it safe, avoiding any kind of confrontation. His biggest fear is that the place he works may be robbed. Bam! The place is being robbed. John's family have been taken prisoner and are being held hostage by the robbers. He's been trained how to deal with this situation. But can he? Will he? One question that influences the resolution of these two questions is -- is John the victim of this robbery, or did he plan it? The rest of the 4-episode series, as I understand, consists of flashbacks to show how this robbery came to be, and what follows from it. I'm hooked. I'll definitely be watching the rest of this one. Does the possibility that John might have had a little something to do with robbing his own place of work sound a little like Breaking Bad? In my opinion, it should; I suspect that if pressed the writers might cite BB as an inspiration. But this series is British, which makes all the difference. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWGCVlFB-CA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWGCVlFB-CA
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Judyatri Mantra
Ai yi yi Barry. You know you really conveyed your frustration in your response and I actually feel empathy for you, truly. You sound like someone at your wit's end and I can really sense your frustration. It is like you have been in a really bad, abusive relationship for 17 YEARS!! You must really enjoy FFL because anyone else would have posted out by now just to get away from Judy but you don't want to go and neither, apparently does she. I can't say that I would describe her effect on you has been to demonize you. That is a very strong word. I know what it is like to be demonized, literally, and whatever you think she is doing is not that. I am pretty sure no one else thinks you are downright, stinking bad and evil either so don't worry about her supposed influence. You can get crazy over what you think of as her repetitive battering of your viewpoints, your logic and your personality. Unfortunately, your ranting, and you are within you rights to rant as much as you like, isn't going to stop anything or convince anyone of anything other than your utter frustration. But if it makes you feel better this is the place to let it all hang out. I am not sure there is a solution here because, like a dysfunctional family, you are all so used to each other, to the patterns of behavior that in some strange way you all enable each other. Not sure how you can stop that either since both of you are fighters and no one wants to leave. Well, just wanted to acknowledge I feel your pain. I hope there were no broken coffee cups yesterday, but probably not as you let fly with the keyboard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Whew, I missed this post yesterday morning. Barry, you must have gotten out of bed yesterday having laid there for hours composing this in your head. No, it was spontaneous, over coffee, just the result of watching another week of what has been going on for seventeen years. Talk about coming out of the gate like a racehorse. This has practically taken my breath away. Now this is the first really mean post I have seen and, yes I am the newbie so I'm sure this ain't nothin', but I think it's something. There is obviously lots of history and animosity here for Judy on your part because it just exploded all over my screen. Ann, it's just that I was hoping (naively) that now that Judy's minions (and they *were* minions) have bit the dust, she might give the Gotta get Barry/ Curtis/Vaj thing a break, even for a week or two. Silly me. Any animosity on my part is the result of having spent SEVENTEEN YEARS knowing that almost every day of those years I could look forward to one or more posts from Judy dissing or actively demonizing one of these three people. Yes, if you're a newbie here, and used to dealing with sane people, this sounds like a crazy claim. But we're talking about Judy, and she's bat shit crazy. It really HAS been going on (in my case) for seventeen years. In Vaj's and Curtis', slightly less, but also for YEARS. We're fuckin' tired of it. Now far be it for me to fight other people's fights here, I gather that is just not done, everyone is a grown up and more than capable of looking after themselves. But Barry, can I object to some of the imagery here, uh let's see, which is the most odious, oh yea, let's start with, She's just a parrot, echoing other people's thoughts, a mere skidmark on the underwear of spirituality. That's how I see her importance in the history of spiritual thought. I kinda liked the image. Too bad if you did't like it. So now we are on to the scatological references, you can usually count on something like this to come out of the mouth of a 12 year old but having seen your picture I know you have to be older than that possibly even a grandfather based on the fact you are cradling a small and beautiful infant in one of them? Come on Barry. It was written for effect. Obviously, it worked. It is also my honest opinion of her intellectual worth. Now this post is probably partly meant for me, being the innocent on the block, but the tone and manner of the posting is enough to warn me off of YOU, not her. Fine. I was just telling you what to expect. WAIT AND SEE. If it doesn't happen, I was wrong. If you're still around, get back to me a year from now and tell me then that I was wrong. Try noticing every time Judy finds the need to demonize one of the three of us for even the next *month* and see if she might just be a tad obsessed by the need to do so. I'm not telling you what to believe, merely suggesting to you some trends you might just telling you might look for. I can only chalk it up to years of frustration and anger you have felt as a result of her dialogues with you. You would be correct in
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ
Much appreciated Susan. Lemme know if you have a good source for that oxytocin. Sounds like something fun to heat up on a piece of tinfoil and inhale through a straw! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Curtis you wrote: When I was actually under a cyber attack here by a member some people supported me and I appreciated that. But I would never expect it, even from my online friends. I can handle my business here and everyone can handle theirs. So I don't have the kind of expectation here I would in my personal life offline. You also state: We don't owe each other support or approval or any of the things we might value offline. Well, that is interesting for me to hear this viewpoint from you. I have considered it and I find that I live in a very different way. My rules for engagement, my definition of friends, my values of civility and interaction are not determined by the medium I am using , the location or the geographical situation I am in. I could be on Mars or in my kitchen, the way I conduct my life and how I view the world is not determined by the circumstances in which I find myself - i.e. whether I am typing to you online or speaking to you face to face I will treat you the same and expect you to do the same with me. I don't mean that you would treat me with respect if I treat you with respect I mean that you do not morph into someone other than who you are when you are not face to face with me. I don't think we really are in as much disagreement in this as that quote seems to be saying. If I re-wrote that I would drop the ominous sounding or any other things we might value offline. That does make me sound kinda psycho! Continuing in psycho mode for a moment: There is no form of human decency that I recognize online and no matter how vile or how disgusting or what an affront it is to decency. I support all evil here as a avatar would in the darkest regions of Second City slums, where human depravity can know no bounds! Ok, got that out of my system, I'm back now... I treat people pretty much the same in my correspondence here as I do in person. I do post as myself here, everyone knows where to find me if they want to. I guess I mean only in the area of scolding people who are being unfriendly to each other. In person I would have a lower threshold, online it is higher. I figure people here speak up for themselves as do I. I should probably keep the discussion about Robin who I judged didn't need my help rather than make pronouncements that make me sound like an idiot. I guess I am assuming that you have read enough posts of mine to know I don't act that way or maybe you have read enough to decide that I do! Scary thought. I know the internet is a great hiding place for some people and that they can change their persona in a multitude of ways. I don't behave that way here. But I still pick my battles. I felt Robin was handling himself just fine without me jumping it to help him. But I don't think it is an excuse to abandon the ethics, the standards that they hold highly when they are not on the internet. Sure. No argument there. Why is FFL or any other online forum a place where we no longer ...owe each other support and approval. ?? This double standard is just not me and I don't understand that kind of reasoning. This seems to me that FFL is/could be a forum for one to act really badly if one wanted to because, after all, one is not really like that in real life (offline). Practically speaking you can't chase after everyone who expresses themselves in a different way than you would choose here. You just can't, there is too much interaction. Right now most posters are being really civil so all this is easy. When we had a poster who flung obscenities at people in most posts it was harder. As an example, I like how you post here, and enjoy your contributions. But if you got into a pissing match with someone I would figure you can give as good as you get. So I am not laying down a rule for myself. But Robin's expectation that I be concerned with people here who expressed that they didn't like him wasn't gunna fly for me. He didn't have to interact with Barry at all, it was his choice. Once he made it, against my advice, he was on his own. So you are right in challenging my words as some kind of rule. But it doesn't come out that way in practice. And if you stick around you will see people using the term ethics in a contrived way to put people down. I mean no one jumps into everyone else's fights here, so you can
[FairfieldLife] The Nondual Philosophy of Franklin Merrell Wolffe
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies
My opinion is that SeattleInsight, being connected to the Insight Meditation Society and the Barre Center in Massachusetts, will provide you with excellent instruction at a reasonable price. The group in Mass. has an excellent reputation and surely has some quality controls in place regarding teacher training in allowing the Seattle group to link the name. Thich Nhat Hahn is excellent. I was also aware of Joseph Goldstein, Sharon Saltzberg and others when Stu (s2ness is a cool dude who shows up here on FFL once in a blue-moon) posted a link here on FFL to insightla.org. You could learn it from a book such as one of Thich Nhat Hahn's, but there is great value in gaining instruction in a structured environment. There are countless techniques of Mindfullness and a formal class will ground you in a handful. Others are easily added later as you wish. Have you ever read about the bell that rings at random times at any of Hahn's centers such as Deer Park near San Diego? Powerful stuff. If you want all Buddhist flavor stripped away while getting exactly the same instruction you could look here: http://www.umassmed.edu/cfm/home/index.aspx http://w3.umassmed.edu/MBSR/public/searchmember.aspx This is a very well known program begun by Jon Kabat-Zinn over 30 years ago. The standard MBSR program is 9 classes over 8 weeks. Each class about 3 hours. There is a full day class, about 7 hours long, after week 6 in which you practice a variety of techniques while spending an entire day in Mindfullness. Cost, I believe, is usually a sliding scale based on income, but maybe that is up to the teacher. You are given a lesson each week and you are asked, for the 8 weeks, to make a time commitment of about an hour toward developing your practice. After that, you are on your own. At the end of that class you could certainly attend one of the other InsightSeattle sits and not feel like awkward. The experience, I believe, is universal. Universal but subtle. Once attained, you can dial it up in enumerable ways any time you wish. Then, in time, you learn what the Insight part is. I value my TM practice also. I'm not obsessive about it. It feels good for me. I practice it when I choose. I find it impossible to recommend to others, currently, because of the nature and behavior of the organization that promulgates it. Bevan and his toadies have, IMO, ruined the spread of a nice simple relaxation technique. Life's demands always seem to get in the way, huh? I am recommending learning this meditation technique because you have often mentioned stress and PTSD. Go to the MBSR siteand read up on the benefits and then go do it with them or the Insight folks. The medical research cited by the U of Mass is, IMO, much more reliable than that promulgated by the TMO. I have an ulterior motive Emily. After you experience formal Mindfullness instruction you may very well see, as others such as Curtis and TurquoiseB have pointed out, how utterly and completely bullshit the criticisms of Vaj's knowledge of TM is. All he is doing is reframing the experience in different language. TM meditation is not Mindfullness meditation. Mindfullness meditation is not TM. But, there is most certainly Mindfullness used in TM. The demonizing you see here of Vaj is a result of not being able to see the forest for the trees. Oh, and maybe Vaj has learned, over the course of nearly 2 decades, just exactly which buttons he can push when ever he likes to see someone who holds great animosity toward him to dance like a monkey on a chain in a very predictable manner. Every time. Without fail. Go do it Emily. Don't let life get in the way. I believe you will feel better for it both physically and mentally. Please let us know how it goes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Azgrey, thank you for asking.  I followed up far enough to look at their schedule, because I wanted to take the class for beginners, but it conflicted with my school schedule and then the holidays arrived and my daughter was home for 6 weeks, precipitating another need for a family counselor.  The next class also conflicts with my last quarter in school, so I may not be able to pursue participation until the end of March.  It's on the list however; do you have an opinion?  This post reminds me that I have a couple of books by Thich Nhat Hanh that I could go search for. From: azgrey no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 11:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trend Analysis For Dummies  Emily, sometime back, perhaps in the Fall, you mentioned that you were going to take instruction the following week at seattleinsight.org. Did you ever go and get instruction in Mindfullness meditation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: When you
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ
It ain't bad for taking the edge off when yas over do the ibogaine. Trouble is the oxytocin wears off in about 3 minutes and then those big hairy muli-colored bats and reptiles are flying around the room again. Go figure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Much appreciated Susan. Lemme know if you have a good source for that oxytocin. Sounds like something fun to heat up on a piece of tinfoil and inhale through a straw! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Curtis you wrote: When I was actually under a cyber attack here by a member some people supported me and I appreciated that. But I would never expect it, even from my online friends. I can handle my business here and everyone can handle theirs. So I don't have the kind of expectation here I would in my personal life offline. You also state: We don't owe each other support or approval or any of the things we might value offline. Well, that is interesting for me to hear this viewpoint from you. I have considered it and I find that I live in a very different way. My rules for engagement, my definition of friends, my values of civility and interaction are not determined by the medium I am using , the location or the geographical situation I am in. I could be on Mars or in my kitchen, the way I conduct my life and how I view the world is not determined by the circumstances in which I find myself - i.e. whether I am typing to you online or speaking to you face to face I will treat you the same and expect you to do the same with me. I don't mean that you would treat me with respect if I treat you with respect I mean that you do not morph into someone other than who you are when you are not face to face with me. I don't think we really are in as much disagreement in this as that quote seems to be saying. If I re-wrote that I would drop the ominous sounding or any other things we might value offline. That does make me sound kinda psycho! Continuing in psycho mode for a moment: There is no form of human decency that I recognize online and no matter how vile or how disgusting or what an affront it is to decency. I support all evil here as a avatar would in the darkest regions of Second City slums, where human depravity can know no bounds! Ok, got that out of my system, I'm back now... I treat people pretty much the same in my correspondence here as I do in person. I do post as myself here, everyone knows where to find me if they want to. I guess I mean only in the area of scolding people who are being unfriendly to each other. In person I would have a lower threshold, online it is higher. I figure people here speak up for themselves as do I. I should probably keep the discussion about Robin who I judged didn't need my help rather than make pronouncements that make me sound like an idiot. I guess I am assuming that you have read enough posts of mine to know I don't act that way or maybe you have read enough to decide that I do! Scary thought. I know the internet is a great hiding place for some people and that they can change their persona in a multitude of ways. I don't behave that way here. But I still pick my battles. I felt Robin was handling himself just fine without me jumping it to help him. But I don't think it is an excuse to abandon the ethics, the standards that they hold highly when they are not on the internet. Sure. No argument there. Why is FFL or any other online forum a place where we no longer ...owe each other support and approval. ?? This double standard is just not me and I don't understand that kind of reasoning. This seems to me that FFL is/could be a forum for one to act really badly if one wanted to because, after all, one is not really like that in real life (offline). Practically speaking you can't chase after everyone who expresses themselves in a different way than you would choose here. You just can't, there is too much interaction. Right now most posters are being really civil so all this is easy. When we had a poster who flung obscenities at people in most posts it was harder. As an example, I like how you post here, and enjoy your contributions. But if you got into a pissing match with someone I would figure you can give as good as you get. So I am not laying down a rule for myself. But Robin's expectation that I be concerned with people here who expressed that they didn't like him wasn't gunna fly for me. He didn't have to
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Nondual Philosophy of Franklin Merrell Wolffe
Richard Pitcairn's review of a companion book of FMW: 9 of 31 people found the following review helpful: 1.0 out of 5 stars I was not impressed., October 5, 2008 By Richard H. Pitcairn - See all my reviews (REAL NAME)This review is from: Franklin Merrell-Wolff's Experience and Philosophy: A Personal Record of Transformation and a Discussion of Transcendental Consciousness (Paperback) I have not read this book but many years ago after reading the 1983 Pathways Through To Space I arranged to meet the writer as part of my spiritual search. I had been a student of Krishnamurti's writings (and live talks) for some years and was very interested in learning from F. M-Wolff after reading his book. I contacted him and visited him and his wife at their desert home for several days and they were kind enough to allow me to stay there share their meals (in exchange for yard work). Two things stand out for me in that experience. One was his questioning of my preference for a vegetarian diet (my futile gesture to at least minimize the suffering of animals) and the long-anticipated sit-down talk about his philosophy and understanding. The talk consisted of one question How long have you been on the path?. I, coming from the teachings of Krishnamurti in which following a path was not quite the right thing to do, I was at first puzzled and not sure if he meant his path or something more general, so I responded with What path? thinking he would clarify. Instead it was the end of the conversation. I was blown off, dismissed as inadequate material to spend any more time on. Looking back at it I am still amazed at the lack of insight and understanding and patience shown that interaction. Perhaps I expected too much of one presumably enlightened but truth is I did expect more than that. Writing down ideas is one thing but the actuality another. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: http://www.integralscience.org/gsc/#real
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ
I am not an MD but my understanding is that oxytocin is just about the same as pitocin. You can inject pitocin - here's what it does: it causes a woman to have contractions that lead to delivery of a baby! It is used in hospitals if a woman needs to have stronger contractions or to have labor induced. Seven hours of a pitocin drip and the baby is born. Ouch. In addition to causing contractions, pitocin/oxytocin causes intense emotional bonding between mother and baby. I think lots of it circulates in the blood stream as long as a mother nurses and is also present in females in general. Not sure what it would do to a male, but I suspect you would not want to be the guinea pig on this one. Making inhaling it would be ok. Hospitals have lots of it. Your music alone probably does something powerful enough. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Much appreciated Susan. Lemme know if you have a good source for that oxytocin. Sounds like something fun to heat up on a piece of tinfoil and inhale through a straw! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Curtis you wrote: When I was actually under a cyber attack here by a member some people supported me and I appreciated that. But I would never expect it, even from my online friends. I can handle my business here and everyone can handle theirs. So I don't have the kind of expectation here I would in my personal life offline. You also state: We don't owe each other support or approval or any of the things we might value offline. Well, that is interesting for me to hear this viewpoint from you. I have considered it and I find that I live in a very different way. My rules for engagement, my definition of friends, my values of civility and interaction are not determined by the medium I am using , the location or the geographical situation I am in. I could be on Mars or in my kitchen, the way I conduct my life and how I view the world is not determined by the circumstances in which I find myself - i.e. whether I am typing to you online or speaking to you face to face I will treat you the same and expect you to do the same with me. I don't mean that you would treat me with respect if I treat you with respect I mean that you do not morph into someone other than who you are when you are not face to face with me. I don't think we really are in as much disagreement in this as that quote seems to be saying. If I re-wrote that I would drop the ominous sounding or any other things we might value offline. That does make me sound kinda psycho! Continuing in psycho mode for a moment: There is no form of human decency that I recognize online and no matter how vile or how disgusting or what an affront it is to decency. I support all evil here as a avatar would in the darkest regions of Second City slums, where human depravity can know no bounds! Ok, got that out of my system, I'm back now... I treat people pretty much the same in my correspondence here as I do in person. I do post as myself here, everyone knows where to find me if they want to. I guess I mean only in the area of scolding people who are being unfriendly to each other. In person I would have a lower threshold, online it is higher. I figure people here speak up for themselves as do I. I should probably keep the discussion about Robin who I judged didn't need my help rather than make pronouncements that make me sound like an idiot. I guess I am assuming that you have read enough posts of mine to know I don't act that way or maybe you have read enough to decide that I do! Scary thought. I know the internet is a great hiding place for some people and that they can change their persona in a multitude of ways. I don't behave that way here. But I still pick my battles. I felt Robin was handling himself just fine without me jumping it to help him. But I don't think it is an excuse to abandon the ethics, the standards that they hold highly when they are not on the internet. Sure. No argument there. Why is FFL or any other online forum a place where we no longer ...owe each other support and approval. ?? This double standard is just not me and I don't understand that kind of reasoning. This seems to me that FFL is/could be a forum for one to act really badly if one wanted to because, after all, one is not really like that in real life (offline). Practically speaking you can't chase after everyone who expresses themselves in a different way than you would
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Judyatri Mantra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: In my post #303289, I made some predictions as to what Judy and to a lesser extent her partner-in-character-assassination Raunchydog would DO in the wake of Robin's self-destruction. In my opinion they did exactly what I predicted that week. This week, I started my own posting week by commenting on a comment from Ann that Judy had come out of the gate like a racehorse with a further comment and prediction: And, for yet another week, intent on proving she's obsessed with Barry, Curtis, and Vaj. I contend that she did exactly that. I won't bother to count the number of posts in which she tried her best to turn the conversation here at FFL back to the Gotta get Barry, Curtis and Vaj meme; you can do that yourselves if you want. My bet is that well over 50% of her posts this last week can be seen as falling into that category. What I think Ann and other newbies don't perceive -- yet -- is how much of a PATTERN this is. It is NOT in any way prescience or seeing on my part in being able to predict this behavior on Judy's part. It's simply the result of having done what I encouraged newbs to do for themselves -- WATCH. Judy is pretty much monotopical. Sooner or later, EVERYTHING comes back to the same tired old topic, which I characterize as the Judyatri Mantra: Barry is Bad. Curtis is Bad. Vaj is Bad. All this is nothing but Bad. If you don't join me in condemning this Badness I'll add you to the Bad List, too. This is not new, newbs. This has been going on for YEARS. I would bet that there is not a single person on this forum -- *including* Raunchydog -- who doesn't see Judy as more than a little obsessed with her Triumverate Of Badness. She has *consistently* spent a huge percentage of her posts every week, FOR YEARS, 1) trying to demonize them, and 2) trying to get other people to demonize them, too. It's just what she does; it's pretty much ALL that she does. And I understand why. First, intellectually, she's a bit of a lightweight. She really doesn't have that much to say, other than to edit the posts of people who DO have something to say. She never became a TM teacher, she never committed full-time to TM or any other spiritual organization, and she's had no experiences of any of the higher states of consciousness she loves to argue about *as if she were knowledgeable about them*. She's just a parrot, echoing other people's thoughts, a mere skidmark on the underwear of spirituality. She can't dish up any real shit herself, because she's never experienced any. :-) Second, as mentioned by emptybill recently, she *lives* to argue. She's like Uncle Remus' tarbaby. Like Robin, she thrives on sucking people into arguments with her and then doing everything she can possibly think of to keep them from getting away, and escaping from the argument. Third, she's (in my opinion) an angry, bitter, frustrated old woman who forms long-term grudges, forms vendettas based on those grudges, and then pursues them with a one-pointed diligence that can only be described as obsession. The BarryCurtisVaj Triumvirate are only the latest in the enemies she's obsessed on over the years. Newbies here, for example, might not know about a website that one of her former enemies -- a prize-winning journalist named Andrew Skolnick who criticized TM, the TMO and Maharishi, coincidentally the same way that BarryCurtisVaj have -- put together to mock her, *using her own words* to illustrate what kind of person she was: http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ Glance through this site if you want. Notice that Judy's language and approach when attempting to demonize a TM critic *has not changed* in any of the years since. As far as I can tell, nothing is ever going to enable Judy Stein to change this Gotta 'get' my enemies samskara she is trapped in. I had hoped that, with her backup singers Ravi, Robin and Jim out of the picture, me pointing out what she does proactively, in the form of predictions, would wake her up enough so that she might try something else. It didn't. She has kept the same Judyatri Mantra going ever since. And IMO she will continue it in the future. Hate is literally all she's got to bring to the table. So me writing this screed is NOT an attempt to change her in any way. Can't happen. She really DOESN'T have any free will when it comes to obsessing on her enemies. My purpose in writing this is for the newbies, to clue them in on what's going to happen. Judy is going to try to recruit you into joining her in dissing and demonizing her Triumverate Of Badness -- Barry, Curtis, and Vaj. You may be persuaded by her constant attempts to do this, and join her in her obsession if you want. Your opinions are your own, and you are welcome to them. But please don't say you weren't warned about what was going to happen.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody Knows
I had a hankering for this after dinner. It always moves me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itvAl29UHHg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itvAl29UHHg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Sharon Robinson - Everybody Knows. She's got such a great voice.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UsomHnjLXQfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ
I was just riffing off of how much is sounds like hillbilly heroin Oxycontin. I just saw one of those horror show specials where people were doing that. But your information is much more interesting. Fascinating to see the mechanics of a mother's love! I don't think I need any. I focused on the sensitive guy routine in the 70's until I found out that the bad boys were banging all the chicks I thought were prudes! What a wake-up call that was in how the world really works. The type of blues I love is trance inducing. Once you're both in the zone it is the field of all possibilities, without the Mahesh. I wonder if he ever used seduction music. Maybe if you play Sama Veda at half speed so it sounds like Barry White you could get somewhere! I'll stick to blues, oxytocin free. Actually blues was always supported most by women. The guys from the 20's and 30's put out records that only the African women domestic workers could afford. They supported the whole industry in the early days. That is your Black history month factoid for the day! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: I am not an MD but my understanding is that oxytocin is just about the same as pitocin. You can inject pitocin - here's what it does: it causes a woman to have contractions that lead to delivery of a baby! It is used in hospitals if a woman needs to have stronger contractions or to have labor induced. Seven hours of a pitocin drip and the baby is born. Ouch. In addition to causing contractions, pitocin/oxytocin causes intense emotional bonding between mother and baby. I think lots of it circulates in the blood stream as long as a mother nurses and is also present in females in general. Not sure what it would do to a male, but I suspect you would not want to be the guinea pig on this one. Making inhaling it would be ok. Hospitals have lots of it. Your music alone probably does something powerful enough. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Much appreciated Susan. Lemme know if you have a good source for that oxytocin. Sounds like something fun to heat up on a piece of tinfoil and inhale through a straw! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Curtis you wrote: When I was actually under a cyber attack here by a member some people supported me and I appreciated that. But I would never expect it, even from my online friends. I can handle my business here and everyone can handle theirs. So I don't have the kind of expectation here I would in my personal life offline. You also state: We don't owe each other support or approval or any of the things we might value offline. Well, that is interesting for me to hear this viewpoint from you. I have considered it and I find that I live in a very different way. My rules for engagement, my definition of friends, my values of civility and interaction are not determined by the medium I am using , the location or the geographical situation I am in. I could be on Mars or in my kitchen, the way I conduct my life and how I view the world is not determined by the circumstances in which I find myself - i.e. whether I am typing to you online or speaking to you face to face I will treat you the same and expect you to do the same with me. I don't mean that you would treat me with respect if I treat you with respect I mean that you do not morph into someone other than who you are when you are not face to face with me. I don't think we really are in as much disagreement in this as that quote seems to be saying. If I re-wrote that I would drop the ominous sounding or any other things we might value offline. That does make me sound kinda psycho! Continuing in psycho mode for a moment: There is no form of human decency that I recognize online and no matter how vile or how disgusting or what an affront it is to decency. I support all evil here as a avatar would in the darkest regions of Second City slums, where human depravity can know no bounds! Ok, got that out of my system, I'm back now... I treat people pretty much the same in my correspondence here as I do in person. I do post as myself here, everyone knows where to find me if they want to. I guess I mean only in the area of scolding people who are being unfriendly to each other. In person I would have a lower threshold, online it is higher. I figure people here speak up for themselves as do I. I should probably keep the discussion about Robin who I judged didn't
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Judyatri Mantra
Ditto. I enjoyed your reply, Barry. I don't think you could read it, and not feel empathy for your situation. And that is not meant to be a put down of Judy. I think it's been a good week of posting, though I've been mostly on the sidelines. Getting back to Robin. The one thing I take issue with, is that he always presented himself as a stand up guy. He seemed to really emphasize that point. I didn't see it. He would sometimes make cutting statements, and then when asked to back them up, he would go silent. You Ann, have stated that he probably said everything that needed to be said. To me, it's curious that that happened to coincide with your arrival here. Let me say also Ann, that I don't quite follow your observation that Judy can run circles, intellectually around anyone here. To me, after about the second or third round of dissecting an issue about who is being disengenuous, or raising a straw man, I have a hard time following her logic. The only thing I know for sure is that she is somehow going to come out on top. Yes, she has on several occassions found flaws in conclusions that I have reached, and I have for the most part, been happy to acknowledge those flaws. That is her strength. But I just don't have the appetite or perhaps the intellecual stamina to ride issues that hard. I observe that Curtis seems capable of doing this. But in Judy's mind, at least, he is like Hamilton Burger in Perry Mason. Poor Hamilton never won a case! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Ai yi yi Barry. You know you really conveyed your frustration in your response and I actually feel empathy for you, truly. You sound like someone at your wit's end and I can really sense your frustration. It is like you have been in a really bad, abusive relationship for 17 YEARS!! You must really enjoy FFL because anyone else would have posted out by now just to get away from Judy but you don't want to go and neither, apparently does she. I can't say that I would describe her effect on you has been to demonize you. That is a very strong word. I know what it is like to be demonized, literally, and whatever you think she is doing is not that. I am pretty sure no one else thinks you are downright, stinking bad and evil either so don't worry about her supposed influence. You can get crazy over what you think of as her repetitive battering of your viewpoints, your logic and your personality. Unfortunately, your ranting, and you are within you rights to rant as much as you like, isn't going to stop anything or convince anyone of anything other than your utter frustration. But if it makes you feel better this is the place to let it all hang out. I am not sure there is a solution here because, like a dysfunctional family, you are all so used to each other, to the patterns of behavior that in some strange way you all enable each other. Not sure how you can stop that either since both of you are fighters and no one wants to leave. Well, just wanted to acknowledge I feel your pain. I hope there were no broken coffee cups yesterday, but probably not as you let fly with the keyboard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Whew, I missed this post yesterday morning. Barry, you must have gotten out of bed yesterday having laid there for hours composing this in your head. No, it was spontaneous, over coffee, just the result of watching another week of what has been going on for seventeen years. Talk about coming out of the gate like a racehorse. This has practically taken my breath away. Now this is the first really mean post I have seen and, yes I am the newbie so I'm sure this ain't nothin', but I think it's something. There is obviously lots of history and animosity here for Judy on your part because it just exploded all over my screen. Ann, it's just that I was hoping (naively) that now that Judy's minions (and they *were* minions) have bit the dust, she might give the Gotta get Barry/ Curtis/Vaj thing a break, even for a week or two. Silly me. Any animosity on my part is the result of having spent SEVENTEEN YEARS knowing that almost every day of those years I could look forward to one or more posts from Judy dissing or actively demonizing one of these three people. Yes, if you're a newbie here, and used to dealing with sane people, this sounds like a crazy claim. But we're talking about Judy, and she's bat shit crazy. It really HAS been going on (in my case) for seventeen years. In Vaj's and Curtis', slightly less, but also for YEARS. We're fuckin' tired of it. Now far be it for me to fight other people's fights here, I gather that is just not done, everyone is a grown up and more than capable of looking after themselves. But Barry, can I object to some of the imagery here,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ
Yikesthis is bringing back the pain. Curtis - I think you meant oxycontin...ha :) From: Susan waybac...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 4:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ I am not an MD but my understanding is that oxytocin is just about the same as pitocin. You can inject pitocin - here's what it does: it causes a woman to have contractions that lead to delivery of a baby! It is used in hospitals if a woman needs to have stronger contractions or to have labor induced. Seven hours of a pitocin drip and the baby is born. Ouch. In addition to causing contractions, pitocin/oxytocin causes intense emotional bonding between mother and baby. I think lots of it circulates in the blood stream as long as a mother nurses and is also present in females in general. Not sure what it would do to a male, but I suspect you would not want to be the guinea pig on this one. Making inhaling it would be ok. Hospitals have lots of it. Your music alone probably does something powerful enough. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Much appreciated Susan. Lemme know if you have a good source for that oxytocin. Sounds like something fun to heat up on a piece of tinfoil and inhale through a straw! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Curtis you wrote: When I was actually under a cyber attack here by a member some people supported me and I appreciated that. But I would never expect it, even from my online friends. I can handle my business here and everyone can handle theirs. So I don't have the kind of expectation here I would in my personal life offline. You also state: We don't owe each other support or approval or any of the things we might value offline. Well, that is interesting for me to hear this viewpoint from you. I have considered it and I find that I live in a very different way. My rules for engagement, my definition of friends, my values of civility and interaction are not determined by the medium I am using , the location or the geographical situation I am in. I could be on Mars or in my kitchen, the way I conduct my life and how I view the world is not determined by the circumstances in which I find myself - i.e. whether I am typing to you online or speaking to you face to face I will treat you the same and expect you to do the same with me. I don't mean that you would treat me with respect if I treat you with respect I mean that you do not morph into someone other than who you are when you are not face to face with me. I don't think we really are in as much disagreement in this as that quote seems to be saying. If I re-wrote that I would drop the ominous sounding or any other things we might value offline. That does make me sound kinda psycho! Continuing in psycho mode for a moment: There is no form of human decency that I recognize online and no matter how vile or how disgusting or what an affront it is to decency. I support all evil here as a avatar would in the darkest regions of Second City slums, where human depravity can know no bounds! Ok, got that out of my system, I'm back now... I treat people pretty much the same in my correspondence here as I do in person. I do post as myself here, everyone knows where to find me if they want to. I guess I mean only in the area of scolding people who are being unfriendly to each other. In person I would have a lower threshold, online it is higher. I figure people here speak up for themselves as do I. I should probably keep the discussion about Robin who I judged didn't need my help rather than make pronouncements that make me sound like an idiot. I guess I am assuming that you have read enough posts of mine to know I don't act that way or maybe you have read enough to decide that I do! Scary thought. I know the internet is a great hiding place for some people and that they can change their persona in a multitude of ways. I don't behave that way here. But I still pick my battles. I felt Robin was handling himself just fine without me jumping it to help him. But I don't think it is an excuse to abandon the ethics, the standards that they hold highly when they are not on the internet. Sure. No argument there. Why is FFL or any other online forum a place where we no longer ...owe each other support and approval. ?? This double standard is just not me and I don't understand that kind of reasoning. This
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ
Ha hasee my postwe are all in tune here From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ I was just riffing off of how much is sounds like hillbilly heroin Oxycontin. I just saw one of those horror show specials where people were doing that. But your information is much more interesting. Fascinating to see the mechanics of a mother's love! I don't think I need any. I focused on the sensitive guy routine in the 70's until I found out that the bad boys were banging all the chicks I thought were prudes! What a wake-up call that was in how the world really works. The type of blues I love is trance inducing. Once you're both in the zone it is the field of all possibilities, without the Mahesh. I wonder if he ever used seduction music. Maybe if you play Sama Veda at half speed so it sounds like Barry White you could get somewhere! I'll stick to blues, oxytocin free. Actually blues was always supported most by women. The guys from the 20's and 30's put out records that only the African women domestic workers could afford. They supported the whole industry in the early days. That is your Black history month factoid for the day! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: I am not an MD but my understanding is that oxytocin is just about the same as pitocin. You can inject pitocin - here's what it does: it causes a woman to have contractions that lead to delivery of a baby! It is used in hospitals if a woman needs to have stronger contractions or to have labor induced. Seven hours of a pitocin drip and the baby is born. Ouch. In addition to causing contractions, pitocin/oxytocin causes intense emotional bonding between mother and baby. I think lots of it circulates in the blood stream as long as a mother nurses and is also present in females in general. Not sure what it would do to a male, but I suspect you would not want to be the guinea pig on this one. Making inhaling it would be ok. Hospitals have lots of it. Your music alone probably does something powerful enough. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Much appreciated Susan. Lemme know if you have a good source for that oxytocin. Sounds like something fun to heat up on a piece of tinfoil and inhale through a straw! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Curtis you wrote: When I was actually under a cyber attack here by a member some people supported me and I appreciated that. But I would never expect it, even from my online friends. I can handle my business here and everyone can handle theirs. So I don't have the kind of expectation here I would in my personal life offline. You also state: We don't owe each other support or approval or any of the things we might value offline. Well, that is interesting for me to hear this viewpoint from you. I have considered it and I find that I live in a very different way. My rules for engagement, my definition of friends, my values of civility and interaction are not determined by the medium I am using , the location or the geographical situation I am in. I could be on Mars or in my kitchen, the way I conduct my life and how I view the world is not determined by the circumstances in which I find myself - i.e. whether I am typing to you online or speaking to you face to face I will treat you the same and expect you to do the same with me. I don't mean that you would treat me with respect if I treat you with respect I mean that you do not morph into someone other than who you are when you are not face to face with me. I don't think we really are in as much disagreement in this as that quote seems to be saying. If I re-wrote that I would drop the ominous sounding or any other things we might value offline. That does make me sound kinda psycho! Continuing in psycho mode for a moment: There is no form of human decency that I recognize online and no matter how vile or how disgusting or what an affront it is to decency. I support all evil here as a avatar would in the darkest regions of Second City slums, where human depravity can know no bounds! Ok, got that out of my system, I'm back now... I treat people pretty much the same in my correspondence here as I do in person. I do post as myself here, everyone knows where to find me if they want to. I guess I mean only in the area
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ
Yeah, you nailed it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Ha hasee my postwe are all in tune here From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ  I was just riffing off of how much is sounds like hillbilly heroin Oxycontin. I just saw one of those horror show specials where people were doing that. But your information is much more interesting. Fascinating to see the mechanics of a mother's love! I don't think I need any. I focused on the sensitive guy routine in the 70's until I found out that the bad boys were banging all the chicks I thought were prudes! What a wake-up call that was in how the world really works. The type of blues I love is trance inducing. Once you're both in the zone it is the field of all possibilities, without the Mahesh. I wonder if he ever used seduction music. Maybe if you play Sama Veda at half speed so it sounds like Barry White you could get somewhere! I'll stick to blues, oxytocin free. Actually blues was always supported most by women. The guys from the 20's and 30's put out records that only the African women domestic workers could afford. They supported the whole industry in the early days. That is your Black history month factoid for the day! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: I am not an MD but my understanding is that oxytocin is just about the same as pitocin. You can inject pitocin - here's what it does: it causes a woman to have contractions that lead to delivery of a baby! It is used in hospitals if a woman needs to have stronger contractions or to have labor induced. Seven hours of a pitocin drip and the baby is born. Ouch. In addition to causing contractions, pitocin/oxytocin causes intense emotional bonding between mother and baby. I think lots of it circulates in the blood stream as long as a mother nurses and is also present in females in general. Not sure what it would do to a male, but I suspect you would not want to be the guinea pig on this one. Making inhaling it would be ok. Hospitals have lots of it. Your music alone probably does something powerful enough. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Much appreciated Susan. Lemme know if you have a good source for that oxytocin. Sounds like something fun to heat up on a piece of tinfoil and inhale through a straw! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Curtis you wrote: When I was actually under a cyber attack here by a member some people supported me and I appreciated that. But I would never expect it, even from my online friends. I can handle my business here and everyone can handle theirs. So I don't have the kind of expectation here I would in my personal life offline. You also state: We don't owe each other support or approval or any of the things we might value offline. Well, that is interesting for me to hear this viewpoint from you. I have considered it and I find that I live in a very different way. My rules for engagement, my definition of friends, my values of civility and interaction are not determined by the medium I am using , the location or the geographical situation I am in. I could be on Mars or in my kitchen, the way I conduct my life and how I view the world is not determined by the circumstances in which I find myself - i.e. whether I am typing to you online or speaking to you face to face I will treat you the same and expect you to do the same with me. I don't mean that you would treat me with respect if I treat you with respect I mean that you do not morph into someone other than who you are when you are not face to face with me. I don't think we really are in as much disagreement in this as that quote seems to be saying. If I re-wrote that I would drop the ominous sounding or any other things we might value offline. That does make me sound kinda psycho! Continuing in psycho mode for a moment: There is no form of human decency that I recognize online and no matter how vile or how disgusting or what an affront it is to decency. I support all evil here as a avatar would in the darkest regions of Second City slums, where human depravity can know no bounds! Ok, got that out of my system, I'm back now...
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ
Dare I call you all oxymorons?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Yeah, you nailed it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Ha hasee my postwe are all in tune here From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ  I was just riffing off of how much is sounds like hillbilly heroin Oxycontin. I just saw one of those horror show specials where people were doing that. But your information is much more interesting. Fascinating to see the mechanics of a mother's love! I don't think I need any. I focused on the sensitive guy routine in the 70's until I found out that the bad boys were banging all the chicks I thought were prudes! What a wake-up call that was in how the world really works. The type of blues I love is trance inducing. Once you're both in the zone it is the field of all possibilities, without the Mahesh. I wonder if he ever used seduction music. Maybe if you play Sama Veda at half speed so it sounds like Barry White you could get somewhere! I'll stick to blues, oxytocin free. Actually blues was always supported most by women. The guys from the 20's and 30's put out records that only the African women domestic workers could afford. They supported the whole industry in the early days. That is your Black history month factoid for the day! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: I am not an MD but my understanding is that oxytocin is just about the same as pitocin. You can inject pitocin - here's what it does: it causes a woman to have contractions that lead to delivery of a baby! It is used in hospitals if a woman needs to have stronger contractions or to have labor induced. Seven hours of a pitocin drip and the baby is born. Ouch. In addition to causing contractions, pitocin/oxytocin causes intense emotional bonding between mother and baby. I think lots of it circulates in the blood stream as long as a mother nurses and is also present in females in general. Not sure what it would do to a male, but I suspect you would not want to be the guinea pig on this one. Making inhaling it would be ok. Hospitals have lots of it. Your music alone probably does something powerful enough. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Much appreciated Susan. Lemme know if you have a good source for that oxytocin. Sounds like something fun to heat up on a piece of tinfoil and inhale through a straw! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Curtis you wrote: When I was actually under a cyber attack here by a member some people supported me and I appreciated that. But I would never expect it, even from my online friends. I can handle my business here and everyone can handle theirs. So I don't have the kind of expectation here I would in my personal life offline. You also state: We don't owe each other support or approval or any of the things we might value offline. Well, that is interesting for me to hear this viewpoint from you. I have considered it and I find that I live in a very different way. My rules for engagement, my definition of friends, my values of civility and interaction are not determined by the medium I am using , the location or the geographical situation I am in. I could be on Mars or in my kitchen, the way I conduct my life and how I view the world is not determined by the circumstances in which I find myself - i.e. whether I am typing to you online or speaking to you face to face I will treat you the same and expect you to do the same with me. I don't mean that you would treat me with respect if I treat you with respect I mean that you do not morph into someone other than who you are when you are not face to face with me. I don't think we really are in as much disagreement in this as that quote seems to be saying. If I re-wrote that I would drop the ominous sounding or any other things we might value offline. That does make me sound kinda psycho! Continuing in psycho mode for a moment: There is no form of human decency that I recognize online and no matter how vile or how
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ
On Feb 9, 2012, at 9:13 PM, awoelflebater wrote: Dare I call you all oxymorons?? I don't think Rush would mind you borrowing it... ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Judyatri Mantra
Hi Again, you're that guy I like, that is so funny, whether you realize it or not. And I mean it in the most positive of ways. How did a nice guy like you end up in a place like this?! Anyway, You ask: You Ann, have stated that he probably said everything that needed to be said. To me, it's curious that that happened to coincide with your arrival here. I know a few of you have theories about this so I will try and clarify some things. Although I have not seen Robin for 25 years and only stumbled on him at FFL by mere (but fascinating) chance as I have already described I can assure you all of one thing: Robin is not intimidated, worried, scared or reluctant to face me. I know this in a very profound part of myself. I know that many of you see this coincidence of our paths crossing via FFL and him splitting pretty quickly after that as pretty much proof of him running away from me or from what he was afraid I might say. But, if he was afraid of me saying something damning then he would have definitely stuck around to address it. Robin and I go way back, I have been pummelled at the microphone, away from the microphone. I have been praised and nurtured within the group that surrounded him. He and I have run through the trenches, lobbed grenades and torn ourselves on barbed wire in our times together. None of you have even the faintest idea of any of it. If Robin left when he did it was for a very good reason that most likely had NOTHIING to do with me and certainly nothing to do with being afraid. I know that he would have his reasons for going. I know that those reasons would have something to do with preserving whatever knowledge he has fought his way to gain regarding himself, his role in this big play called life, and to hold as best he can onto his integrity. He is not someone to put in half an effort or to knowingly begin something he can not finish well. He is, for all his faults, a man who is willing to fall head first and headlong into whatever he engages in. Robin hasn't gone away, he probably wishes he could. No, Robin is very present in whatever situation he finds or has put himself. Just because someone isn't on FFL doesn't mean they have found any reprieve or escaped the harsh demands of this world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Ditto. I enjoyed your reply, Barry. I don't think you could read it, and not feel empathy for your situation. And that is not meant to be a put down of Judy. I think it's been a good week of posting, though I've been mostly on the sidelines. Getting back to Robin. The one thing I take issue with, is that he always presented himself as a stand up guy. He seemed to really emphasize that point. I didn't see it. He would sometimes make cutting statements, and then when asked to back them up, he would go silent. You Ann, have stated that he probably said everything that needed to be said. To me, it's curious that that happened to coincide with your arrival here. Let me say also Ann, that I don't quite follow your observation that Judy can run circles, intellectually around anyone here. To me, after about the second or third round of dissecting an issue about who is being disengenuous, or raising a straw man, I have a hard time following her logic. The only thing I know for sure is that she is somehow going to come out on top. Yes, she has on several occassions found flaws in conclusions that I have reached, and I have for the most part, been happy to acknowledge those flaws. That is her strength. But I just don't have the appetite or perhaps the intellecual stamina to ride issues that hard. I observe that Curtis seems capable of doing this. But in Judy's mind, at least, he is like Hamilton Burger in Perry Mason. Poor Hamilton never won a case! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Ai yi yi Barry. You know you really conveyed your frustration in your response and I actually feel empathy for you, truly. You sound like someone at your wit's end and I can really sense your frustration. It is like you have been in a really bad, abusive relationship for 17 YEARS!! You must really enjoy FFL because anyone else would have posted out by now just to get away from Judy but you don't want to go and neither, apparently does she. I can't say that I would describe her effect on you has been to demonize you. That is a very strong word. I know what it is like to be demonized, literally, and whatever you think she is doing is not that. I am pretty sure no one else thinks you are downright, stinking bad and evil either so don't worry about her supposed influence. You can get crazy over what you think of as her repetitive battering of your viewpoints, your logic and your personality. Unfortunately, your ranting, and you are within you rights to rant as much as you like, isn't going to stop
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ
Oxymorons http://youtu.be/cWY_NTLFSa4 http://www.whatyououghttoknow.com/show/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Dare I call you all oxymorons?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Yeah, you nailed it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Ha hasee my postwe are all in tune here From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ  I was just riffing off of how much is sounds like hillbilly heroin Oxycontin. I just saw one of those horror show specials where people were doing that. But your information is much more interesting. Fascinating to see the mechanics of a mother's love! I don't think I need any. I focused on the sensitive guy routine in the 70's until I found out that the bad boys were banging all the chicks I thought were prudes! What a wake-up call that was in how the world really works. The type of blues I love is trance inducing. Once you're both in the zone it is the field of all possibilities, without the Mahesh. I wonder if he ever used seduction music. Maybe if you play Sama Veda at half speed so it sounds like Barry White you could get somewhere! I'll stick to blues, oxytocin free. Actually blues was always supported most by women. The guys from the 20's and 30's put out records that only the African women domestic workers could afford. They supported the whole industry in the early days. That is your Black history month factoid for the day! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: I am not an MD but my understanding is that oxytocin is just about the same as pitocin. You can inject pitocin - here's what it does: it causes a woman to have contractions that lead to delivery of a baby! It is used in hospitals if a woman needs to have stronger contractions or to have labor induced. Seven hours of a pitocin drip and the baby is born. Ouch. In addition to causing contractions, pitocin/oxytocin causes intense emotional bonding between mother and baby. I think lots of it circulates in the blood stream as long as a mother nurses and is also present in females in general. Not sure what it would do to a male, but I suspect you would not want to be the guinea pig on this one. Making inhaling it would be ok. Hospitals have lots of it. Your music alone probably does something powerful enough. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Much appreciated Susan. Lemme know if you have a good source for that oxytocin. Sounds like something fun to heat up on a piece of tinfoil and inhale through a straw! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Curtis you wrote: When I was actually under a cyber attack here by a member some people supported me and I appreciated that. But I would never expect it, even from my online friends. I can handle my business here and everyone can handle theirs. So I don't have the kind of expectation here I would in my personal life offline. You also state: We don't owe each other support or approval or any of the things we might value offline. Well, that is interesting for me to hear this viewpoint from you. I have considered it and I find that I live in a very different way. My rules for engagement, my definition of friends, my values of civility and interaction are not determined by the medium I am using , the location or the geographical situation I am in. I could be on Mars or in my kitchen, the way I conduct my life and how I view the world is not determined by the circumstances in which I find myself - i.e. whether I am typing to you online or speaking to you face to face I will treat you the same and expect you to do the same with me. I don't mean that you would treat me with respect if I treat you with respect I mean that you do not morph into someone other than who you are when you are not face to face with me. I don't think we really are in as much disagreement in this as that quote seems to be saying. If I re-wrote that I would drop
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Judyatri Mantra
Ann, thanks for dispelling the ridiculous notion that Robin was afraid of you. I wonder if Barry and Vaj who invented this fantasy will be admit they were wrong, or will they be too afraid to admit they were wrong and do what they accused Robin of doing and turn tail? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Hi Again, you're that guy I like, that is so funny, whether you realize it or not. And I mean it in the most positive of ways. How did a nice guy like you end up in a place like this?! Anyway, You ask: You Ann, have stated that he probably said everything that needed to be said. To me, it's curious that that happened to coincide with your arrival here. I know a few of you have theories about this so I will try and clarify some things. Although I have not seen Robin for 25 years and only stumbled on him at FFL by mere (but fascinating) chance as I have already described I can assure you all of one thing: Robin is not intimidated, worried, scared or reluctant to face me. I know this in a very profound part of myself. I know that many of you see this coincidence of our paths crossing via FFL and him splitting pretty quickly after that as pretty much proof of him running away from me or from what he was afraid I might say. But, if he was afraid of me saying something damning then he would have definitely stuck around to address it. Robin and I go way back, I have been pummelled at the microphone, away from the microphone. I have been praised and nurtured within the group that surrounded him. He and I have run through the trenches, lobbed grenades and torn ourselves on barbed wire in our times together. None of you have even the faintest idea of any of it. If Robin left when he did it was for a very good reason that most likely had NOTHIING to do with me and certainly nothing to do with being afraid. I know that he would have his reasons for going. I know that those reasons would have something to do with preserving whatever knowledge he has fought his way to gain regarding himself, his role in this big play called life, and to hold as best he can onto his integrity. He is not someone to put in half an effort or to knowingly begin something he can not finish well. He is, for all his faults, a man who is willing to fall head first and headlong into whatever he engages in. Robin hasn't gone away, he probably wishes he could. No, Robin is very present in whatever situation he finds or has put himself. Just because someone isn't on FFL doesn't mean they have found any reprieve or escaped the harsh demands of this world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: Ditto. I enjoyed your reply, Barry. I don't think you could read it, and not feel empathy for your situation. And that is not meant to be a put down of Judy. I think it's been a good week of posting, though I've been mostly on the sidelines. Getting back to Robin. The one thing I take issue with, is that he always presented himself as a stand up guy. He seemed to really emphasize that point. I didn't see it. He would sometimes make cutting statements, and then when asked to back them up, he would go silent. You Ann, have stated that he probably said everything that needed to be said. To me, it's curious that that happened to coincide with your arrival here. Let me say also Ann, that I don't quite follow your observation that Judy can run circles, intellectually around anyone here. To me, after about the second or third round of dissecting an issue about who is being disengenuous, or raising a straw man, I have a hard time following her logic. The only thing I know for sure is that she is somehow going to come out on top. Yes, she has on several occassions found flaws in conclusions that I have reached, and I have for the most part, been happy to acknowledge those flaws. That is her strength. But I just don't have the appetite or perhaps the intellecual stamina to ride issues that hard. I observe that Curtis seems capable of doing this. But in Judy's mind, at least, he is like Hamilton Burger in Perry Mason. Poor Hamilton never won a case! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Ai yi yi Barry. You know you really conveyed your frustration in your response and I actually feel empathy for you, truly. You sound like someone at your wit's end and I can really sense your frustration. It is like you have been in a really bad, abusive relationship for 17 YEARS!! You must really enjoy FFL because anyone else would have posted out by now just to get away from Judy but you don't want to go and neither, apparently does she. I can't say that I would describe her effect on you has been to demonize you. That is a very strong word. I know what it is like to be
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ
Oxymorons http://youtu.be/cWY_NTLFSa4 http://www.whatyououghttoknow.com/show/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Dare I call you all oxymorons?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Yeah, you nailed it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Ha hasee my postwe are all in tune here From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ  I was just riffing off of how much is sounds like hillbilly heroin Oxycontin. I just saw one of those horror show specials where people were doing that. But your information is much more interesting. Fascinating to see the mechanics of a mother's love! I don't think I need any. I focused on the sensitive guy routine in the 70's until I found out that the bad boys were banging all the chicks I thought were prudes! What a wake-up call that was in how the world really works. The type of blues I love is trance inducing. Once you're both in the zone it is the field of all possibilities, without the Mahesh. I wonder if he ever used seduction music. Maybe if you play Sama Veda at half speed so it sounds like Barry White you could get somewhere! I'll stick to blues, oxytocin free. Actually blues was always supported most by women. The guys from the 20's and 30's put out records that only the African women domestic workers could afford. They supported the whole industry in the early days. That is your Black history month factoid for the day! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: I am not an MD but my understanding is that oxytocin is just about the same as pitocin. You can inject pitocin - here's what it does: it causes a woman to have contractions that lead to delivery of a baby! It is used in hospitals if a woman needs to have stronger contractions or to have labor induced. Seven hours of a pitocin drip and the baby is born. Ouch. In addition to causing contractions, pitocin/oxytocin causes intense emotional bonding between mother and baby. I think lots of it circulates in the blood stream as long as a mother nurses and is also present in females in general. Not sure what it would do to a male, but I suspect you would not want to be the guinea pig on this one. Making inhaling it would be ok. Hospitals have lots of it. Your music alone probably does something powerful enough. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Much appreciated Susan. Lemme know if you have a good source for that oxytocin. Sounds like something fun to heat up on a piece of tinfoil and inhale through a straw! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Curtis you wrote: When I was actually under a cyber attack here by a member some people supported me and I appreciated that. But I would never expect it, even from my online friends. I can handle my business here and everyone can handle theirs. So I don't have the kind of expectation here I would in my personal life offline. You also state: We don't owe each other support or approval or any of the things we might value offline. Well, that is interesting for me to hear this viewpoint from you. I have considered it and I find that I live in a very different way. My rules for engagement, my definition of friends, my values of civility and interaction are not determined by the medium I am using , the location or the geographical situation I am in. I could be on Mars or in my kitchen, the way I conduct my life and how I view the world is not determined by the circumstances in which I find myself - i.e. whether I am typing to you online or speaking to you face to face I will treat you the same and expect you to do the same with me. I don't mean that you would treat me with respect if I treat you with respect I mean that you do not morph into someone other than who you are when you are not face to face with me. I don't think we really are in as much disagreement in this as that quote seems to be saying. If I re-wrote that I would drop
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ
It's not borrowed when it's used in a new context. Rush? The group? You listen to them?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 9:13 PM, awoelflebater wrote: Dare I call you all oxymorons?? I don't think Rush would mind you borrowing it... ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody Knows
Steve...glad to hear from you and yes, this one goes on the playlist for sure! Thanks. Talk about voice...lots of good ideas will stem from this :) From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 5:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody Knows I had a hankering for this after dinner. It always moves me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itvAl29UHHg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Sharon Robinson - Everybody Knows. She's got such a great voice.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UsomHnjLXQfeature=related
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ
I am terribly pleased you posted this explanatory utube video. From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 6:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ Oxymorons http://youtu.be/cWY_NTLFSa4 http://www.whatyououghttoknow.com/show/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Dare I call you all oxymorons?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Yeah, you nailed it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Ha hasee my postwe are all in tune here From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Curtis and I Differ  I was just riffing off of how much is sounds like hillbilly heroin Oxycontin. I just saw one of those horror show specials where people were doing that. But your information is much more interesting. Fascinating to see the mechanics of a mother's love! I don't think I need any. I focused on the sensitive guy routine in the 70's until I found out that the bad boys were banging all the chicks I thought were prudes! What a wake-up call that was in how the world really works. The type of blues I love is trance inducing. Once you're both in the zone it is the field of all possibilities, without the Mahesh. I wonder if he ever used seduction music. Maybe if you play Sama Veda at half speed so it sounds like Barry White you could get somewhere! I'll stick to blues, oxytocin free. Actually blues was always supported most by women. The guys from the 20's and 30's put out records that only the African women domestic workers could afford. They supported the whole industry in the early days. That is your Black history month factoid for the day! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: I am not an MD but my understanding is that oxytocin is just about the same as pitocin. You can inject pitocin - here's what it does: it causes a woman to have contractions that lead to delivery of a baby! It is used in hospitals if a woman needs to have stronger contractions or to have labor induced. Seven hours of a pitocin drip and the baby is born. Ouch. In addition to causing contractions, pitocin/oxytocin causes intense emotional bonding between mother and baby. I think lots of it circulates in the blood stream as long as a mother nurses and is also present in females in general. Not sure what it would do to a male, but I suspect you would not want to be the guinea pig on this one. Making inhaling it would be ok. Hospitals have lots of it. Your music alone probably does something powerful enough. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Much appreciated Susan. Lemme know if you have a good source for that oxytocin. Sounds like something fun to heat up on a piece of tinfoil and inhale through a straw! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Curtis you wrote: When I was actually under a cyber attack here by a member some people supported me and I appreciated that. But I would never expect it, even from my online friends. I can handle my business here and everyone can handle theirs. So I don't have the kind of expectation here I would in my personal life offline. You also state: We don't owe each other support or approval or any of the things we might value offline. Well, that is interesting for me to hear this viewpoint from you. I have considered it and I find that I live in a very different way. My rules for engagement, my definition of friends, my values of civility and interaction are not determined by the medium I am using , the location or the geographical situation I am in. I could be on Mars or in my kitchen, the way I conduct my life and how I view the world is not determined by the circumstances in which I find myself - i.e. whether I am typing to you online or speaking to you face to face I will treat you the same and expect you to do the same with me. I don't mean that you would treat me with respect if I treat you with respect I
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Judyatri Mantra
219685, 219685, 219685, 219685, 219685 219685, 219685, 219685, 219685, 219685 219685, 219685, 219685, 219685, 219685 219685, 219685, 219685, 219685, 219685 219685, 219685, 219685, 219685, 219685 I'm not going to make it to 108 - can I stop at 25?. I will require more mindfulness than is afforded by the glass of wine poured to listen to the beautiful Natalie Cole. Yes, us newbies (at least me) are truly grateful for the demons fought and slain in getting FFL to implement a posting limit. The right to post out is an important one, a battle hard fought it seems. I bow down before the eldersbut I will never kiss your lotus feet. From: azgrey no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 4:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Judyatri Mantra --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: In my post #303289, I made some predictions as to what Judy and to a lesser extent her partner-in-character-assassination Raunchydog would DO in the wake of Robin's self-destruction. In my opinion they did exactly what I predicted that week. This week, I started my own posting week by commenting on a comment from Ann that Judy had come out of the gate like a racehorse with a further comment and prediction: And, for yet another week, intent on proving she's obsessed with Barry, Curtis, and Vaj. I contend that she did exactly that. I won't bother to count the number of posts in which she tried her best to turn the conversation here at FFL back to the Gotta get Barry, Curtis and Vaj meme; you can do that yourselves if you want. My bet is that well over 50% of her posts this last week can be seen as falling into that category. What I think Ann and other newbies don't perceive -- yet -- is how much of a PATTERN this is. It is NOT in any way prescience or seeing on my part in being able to predict this behavior on Judy's part. It's simply the result of having done what I encouraged newbs to do for themselves -- WATCH. Judy is pretty much monotopical. Sooner or later, EVERYTHING comes back to the same tired old topic, which I characterize as the Judyatri Mantra: Barry is Bad. Curtis is Bad. Vaj is Bad. All this is nothing but Bad. If you don't join me in condemning this Badness I'll add you to the Bad List, too. This is not new, newbs. This has been going on for YEARS. I would bet that there is not a single person on this forum -- *including* Raunchydog -- who doesn't see Judy as more than a little obsessed with her Triumverate Of Badness. She has *consistently* spent a huge percentage of her posts every week, FOR YEARS, 1) trying to demonize them, and 2) trying to get other people to demonize them, too. It's just what she does; it's pretty much ALL that she does. And I understand why. First, intellectually, she's a bit of a lightweight. She really doesn't have that much to say, other than to edit the posts of people who DO have something to say. She never became a TM teacher, she never committed full-time to TM or any other spiritual organization, and she's had no experiences of any of the higher states of consciousness she loves to argue about *as if she were knowledgeable about them*. She's just a parrot, echoing other people's thoughts, a mere skidmark on the underwear of spirituality. She can't dish up any real shit herself, because she's never experienced any. :-) Second, as mentioned by emptybill recently, she *lives* to argue. She's like Uncle Remus' tarbaby. Like Robin, she thrives on sucking people into arguments with her and then doing everything she can possibly think of to keep them from getting away, and escaping from the argument. Third, she's (in my opinion) an angry, bitter, frustrated old woman who forms long-term grudges, forms vendettas based on those grudges, and then pursues them with a one-pointed diligence that can only be described as obsession. The BarryCurtisVaj Triumvirate are only the latest in the enemies she's obsessed on over the years. Newbies here, for example, might not know about a website that one of her former enemies -- a prize-winning journalist named Andrew Skolnick who criticized TM, the TMO and Maharishi, coincidentally the same way that BarryCurtisVaj have -- put together to mock her, *using her own words* to illustrate what kind of person she was: http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ Glance through this site if you want. Notice that Judy's language and approach when attempting to demonize a TM critic *has not changed* in any of the years since. As far as I can tell, nothing is ever going to enable Judy Stein to change this Gotta 'get' my enemies samskara she is trapped in. I had hoped that, with her backup singers Ravi, Robin and Jim out of the picture, me pointing out what she does proactively, in the form of predictions, would
