[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Judy, above you said: Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically. A man who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no more sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post- pubescent young girls. Do you think it is acceptable for a consenting post-pubescent 12- year-old male to consent to sex with a 60-year-old male? I can't speak for Judy, but I think all Judy is saying is that there is nothing disordered about being sexually attracted to people who have reached sexual maturity. However, there is a major difference between attraction and acting on that attraction. Even though adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them. Judy's saying one thing, and you're responding with a question concerning a different issue. Bingo. I've been trying to get Shemp to figure that out for himself, but he probably never would have. Okay, to respond to your request, that's what I meant. *What* is what you meant? Now, answer the question. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I can't believe I have Shemp defending me against Judy! But I have, so keep up the good work, Shemp! I agree with many of your points. You are right that to think a particular homosexual practice disgusting does not of itself constitute homophobia. I do know homosexuals, and I like them. But if I find myself thinking about what they do, I find it disgusting. Better to be honest about one's feelings and reactions than pretend to something else. I've got a couple of gay friends in Chicago who feel the same way about hetero sex. The mental image of women naked and the details of womens' bodies make these guys nauseated, and the thought of men having to have sex with one of these creatures makes them physically ill. So I wonder if Judy would be as quick to label them heterophobes as she is to label others homophobes. Do they condemn heterosexuals for crimes against nature? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. In fact, he has explicitly said that that is why he posts responses to Judy: merely to push her buttons and then sit back and laugh at her. Of course, WHY he wants to push such buttons is beyond me... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: I'm visualizing huge marauding hordes of homosexuals going around, breaking into homes, redecorating them, and forcing fabulous hairstyles upon the drab, heterosexual occupants. Thats been happening for sometime now: the TV show Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. They'd run shreaking in horror from MY place... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Just for the record, I have made no comment at all about oral sex. Would you look more favorably on homosexuals if they engaged only in oral sex and never in anal sex? And I keep forgetting to ask: In your opinion, do straight couples who engage in anal sex have a lifestyle that is not as good as those who do not? Are straight couples who engage in anal sex walking the road to hell? Judy, what portion of the AIDS problem in the Third World is directly due to anal intercourse? A large part. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
Huh. One Scientific American article showed conclusively that the most popular potrait of Shaekspear was a retouched version of the most popular portrait of Queen Elisabeth, and suggested that SHE was the author of a good many plays. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shaksper was an actor. He was quite a convenient front man for Oxford. I cannot answer all your questions because it is some years since I researched this and I have forgotten many of the details. But the best book on the subject was published only last August. It's called Shakespeare by Any Other Name, by Mark Anderson. I haven't read it yet, but it's a serious book, serious publisher, and was reviewed in the quality press. The author has a website, http://www.shakespearebyanothername.com/index.html, which may pique your interest in the whole issue. There are also some cheap used copies available on Amazon. The case for Oxford as author is circumstantial, but the parallels between his life and the details of the plays are cumulative and in sum overwhelming. Also, it's been known for some years now that one of the few portraits of Shaksper, known as the Ashbourne portrait, is in fact a touched up portrait of the Earl of Oxford. This has been demonstrated scientifically and has never been refuted by the Stratfordians (those who cling to the belief that Shaksper of Stratford wrote the plays). The academic establishment refuses to take the Oxford case seriously but they are looking more and more foolish as the years go by. Their biographies of Shakespeare are a joke. Of course, if they were to admit that Oxford wrote the plays, or even acknowledge the possibility of such a thing, their life's work would be negated. They simply can't afford to admit they are wrong. Someone on this site mentioned Francis Bacon as the author. No way! The only serious candidate is Oxford, and Oxford wrote those plays. I have no doubt of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: OK, even if that were the case, the profession became respectable and has been so for quite a while since. Wouldn't the Earl's descendants have wanted to set the record straight? Wouldn't they want their own ancestor to be known as the greatest playwright in history? And why would the Earl have picked someone illiterate to be his frontman? Wouldn't that have seemed sort of suspicious? And I'm still a bit confused as to how someone who is so illiterate all they can do is to sign their own name, becomes interested in the acquisition of wealth, social status and property to begin with? And how someone this low on the social scale made his situation so well-known that 400 years later people are still talking about it. Sal On Feb 26, 2006, at 10:54 AM, feste37 wrote: It just wasn't the thing for a nobleman to write plays for the public theaters, which were considered rather disreputable places. Writing plays was something lower-class people did. It was closer to a trade than an honorable profession, hence the word playwright, as in shipwright and wheelwright, that is, an artisan, a worker. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Why would the Earl of Oxford not have wanted to take credit for the plays? Sal On Feb 26, 2006, at 9:31 AM, feste37 wrote: Shakespeare's plays were in fact written by the Earl of Oxford. They were certainly not written by the illiterate Shaksper from Stratford, who could barely sign his own name and appears to have been interested only in the acquisition of wealth, social status and property. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm visualizing huge marauding hordes of homosexuals going around, breaking into homes, redecorating them, and forcing fabulous hairstyles upon the drab, heterosexual occupants. Remembering the interior photos here of that big white elephant of a S-V mansion in Fairfield, I think this would be a good thing. No one could conceivably do a worse job of interior design than the owners did. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Were I a fundamentalist christian, I might call it counter to nature. Instead, I just call it something I'm not into for various reasons. However, I don't justify my personal distaste by condemning other peoplefor having other tastes. Of coruse, there are some who equate homosexualality with pediphilia and view both as a matter of taste so for them, it goes beyond a matter of taste. Well, but there's no excuse *whatsoever* for equating homosexuality with pedophilia. A pedophile is one whose sexual preference is for *prepubescent children*, of either sex. That's just a fact, that's not an opinion or a matter of taste. If the sex object is past puberty, it isn't pedophilia. Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically. A man who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no more sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post-pubescent young girls. So as long as the boy has pubic hair and his voice has dropped, if he willingly engages in sex with a 60 year old man, then the 60 year old is ONLY guilty of statutory rape? Is that what you're saying? I'm sorry, can you show me where I was talking about guilt or legal distinctions? pedophilia = illegal homosexuality = legal I'm sorry, can you show me where I was talking about guilt or legal distinctions? Okay, forget whether or not you were talking about guilt or legal distinctions... No need to forget whether or not, just acknowledge that I was not. I'm now asking you whether a 60 year old man who engages in consentual homosexual sex with a post-pubescent 12 year old is only guilty of statutory rape and nothing else? How should I know? Look it up yourself. (sigh) Okay, let's try it this way. Let's try *what* this way, Shemp? Somewhere in your mind you've made some very odd connection between what I wrote and the question you keep trying to ask. Make that connection explicit, or forget it. Judy, above you said: Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically. A man who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no more sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post- pubescent young girls. Do you think it is acceptable for a consenting post-pubescent 12- year-old male to consent to sex with a 60-year-old male? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. As usual, Alex has a clue. Also as usual, Judy does not. :-) I just logged on to FFL in the morning and found five screenloads (150 posts) of people yelling at each other and hurling labels at each other over a non-issue, which orifice they like having things stuck in. I figured that as long as people were going to argue over nothing, I might as well stir the waters in the hope they got it out of their system before I got back. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
On Feb 27, 2006, at 8:39 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm visualizing huge marauding hordes of homosexuals going around, breaking into homes, redecorating them, and forcing fabulous hairstyles upon the drab, heterosexual occupants. Remembering the interior photos here of that big white elephant of a S-V mansion in Fairfield, I think this would be a good thing. No one could conceivably do a worse job of interior design than the owners did. :-) I hope they call before they come. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. In fact, he has explicitly said that that is why he posts responses to Judy: merely to push her buttons and then sit back and laugh at her. But he isn't telling the truth. It's just a pose. Of course, WHY he wants to push such buttons is beyond me... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Judy, above you said: Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically. A man who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no more sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post-pubescent young girls. Do you think it is acceptable for a consenting post-pubescent 12- year-old male to consent to sex with a 60-year-old male? I can't speak for Judy, but I think all Judy is saying is that there is nothing disordered about being sexually attracted to people who have reached sexual maturity. However, there is a major difference between attraction and acting on that attraction. Even though adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them. Judy's saying one thing, and you're responding with a question concerning a different issue. Bingo. I've been trying to get Shemp to figure that out for himself, but he probably never would have. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. In fact, he has explicitly said that that is why he posts responses to Judy: merely to push her buttons and then sit back and laugh at her. Yup. Of course, WHY he wants to push such buttons is beyond me... I've explicitly said that as well. It's a form of spiritual shorthand. I could go on an on about the mindset of the TM True Believer, or I could simply push the buttons of someone who has a proven history of being incapable of *not* reacting in TB fashion when someone pushes her buttons, and then just sit back and allow her to *demonstrate* the mindset I wanted exposed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. In fact, he has explicitly said that that is why he posts responses to Judy: merely to push her buttons and then sit back and laugh at her. Yup. Of course, WHY he wants to push such buttons is beyond me... I've explicitly said that as well. It's a form of spiritual shorthand. I could go on an on about the mindset of the TM True Believer, or I could simply push the buttons of someone who has a proven history of being incapable of *not* reacting in TB fashion when someone pushes her buttons, and then just sit back and allow her to *demonstrate* the mindset I wanted exposed. Q.E.D. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. As usual, Alex has a clue. Also as usual, Judy does not. :-) I just logged on to FFL in the morning and found five screenloads (150 posts) of people yelling at each other and hurling labels at each other over a non-issue, which orifice they like having things stuck in. So Alex, do you think this is an honest description of the posts Barry found? I figured that as long as people were going to argue over nothing, I might as well stir the waters in the hope they got it out of their system before I got back. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. As usual, Alex has a clue. Also as usual, Judy does not. :-) I just logged on to FFL in the morning and found five screenloads (150 posts) of people yelling at each other and hurling labels at each other over a non-issue, which orifice they like having things stuck in. So Alex, do you think this is an honest description of the posts Barry found? I wouldn't describe the discussion as yelling, but it was a little bit heated at times, and there were labels being thrown around. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't describe the discussion as yelling, but it was a little bit heated at times, and there were labels being thrown around. Labels as weapons...like kids throwing insults on the order of Poopie pants at each other, while arguing about things that only children would argue about. :-) I just don't know what is sillier -- people getting all elitist and moralistic about their sexual preferences being better than other people's sexual preferences, or people getting all elitist and moralistic about their particular brand of political correctness being better than other people's. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. As usual, Alex has a clue. Also as usual, Judy does not. :-) I just logged on to FFL in the morning and found five screenloads (150 posts) of people yelling at each other and hurling labels at each other over a non-issue, which orifice they like having things stuck in. So Alex, do you think this is an honest description of the posts Barry found? I wouldn't describe the discussion as yelling, but it was a little bit heated at times, and there were labels being thrown around. Granted, but was the discussion only about which orifice the posters liked having things stuck in? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: I wouldn't describe the discussion as yelling, but it was a little bit heated at times, and there were labels being thrown around. Labels as weapons...like kids throwing insults on the order of Poopie pants at each other, while arguing about things that only children would argue about. :-) Um, right, like the Bible's stance on homosexuality, the distinction between pedophilia and homosexuality, the problem of AIDS in Africa, whether rape is about sex or about power, the vilification of a minority by the majority, the homosexual agenda, and whether homosexuality is contrary to the laws of nature, among other childish topics (with a few side trips such who was the real author of Shakespeare's plays, the various incarnations of the Comte St.-Germaine, the legalistic content of the Talmud, and the Secret Gospel of Mark). I just don't know what is sillier -- people getting all elitist and moralistic about their sexual preferences being better than other people's sexual preferences, or people getting all elitist and moralistic about their particular brand of political correctness being better than other people's. Actually what's sillier by far is pretending other people's deeply held personal convictions are no more than a matter of political correctness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't speak for Judy, but I think all Judy is saying is that there is nothing disordered about being sexually attracted to people who have reached sexual maturity. However, there is a major difference between attraction and acting on that attraction. Even though adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them. While I am not arguing against age of consent laws, thought European standards might be more realistic, your argument seems not so solid. If adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them, then why not laws to protect them from sex with peers? Two emotionally immature and vulnerable people engaging in intimate emotional acts is OK, but one emotionally immature and vulnerable person engaged in an engaging in intimate emotional act with a mature person is not? Judy's saying one thing, and you're resp onding with a question concerning a different issue. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: I can't speak for Judy, but I think all Judy is saying is that there is nothing disordered about being sexually attracted to people who have reached sexual maturity. However, there is a major difference between attraction and acting on that attraction. Even though adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them. While I am not arguing against age of consent laws, thought European standards might be more realistic, your argument seems not so solid. If adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them, then why not laws to protect them from sex with peers? Two emotionally immature and vulnerable people engaging in intimate emotional acts is OK, but one emotionally immature and vulnerable person engaged in an engaging in intimate emotional act with a mature person is not? I have met gay men who were precocious minors who pursued men, and I've met men who were pursued by such youth. And, from the sound of their experiences, adult-minor sexual activity is not *necessarily* damaging. But, nevertheless, their does exist between adults and children a power gap, and the children need to be protected against coercion and sexual predation. Age of consent laws are not a perfect solution, but some seem more intelligent than others. For example, there are laws where adult-minor sexual activity is legal when the age difference is no more than a specified number of years. IIRC, the laws in Holland are even more liberal in that regard. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: I can't speak for Judy, but I think all Judy is saying is that there is nothing disordered about being sexually attracted to people who have reached sexual maturity. However, there is a major difference between attraction and acting on that attraction. Even though adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them. While I am not arguing against age of consent laws, thought European standards might be more realistic, your argument seems not so solid. If adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them, then why not laws to protect them from sex with peers? Two emotionally immature and vulnerable people engaging in intimate emotional acts is OK, but one emotionally immature and vulnerable person engaged in an engaging in intimate emotional act with a mature person is not? But, nevertheless, their does exist between adults and children a power gap, and the children need to be protected against coercion and sexual predation. Just for the sake of argument -- and logical inferences -- then maybe specific laws against power and coercion in pursuit of sex would be better than crude age criteria. There are currently laws against various forms of coercion: rape and sexual harassment laws. By your example, not all all, possibly not many adults, use power or coercion in sexual relations. Adolescent guys, I would guess, use power, coercion and mind trips to seduce peers a lot more than adult men do. If they do, why should age be a factor in protecting them? Are power and coercion of a 40 yr old over a 25 yr old worse than over a sexually active 17 yr old? Or a 17 year old over a 17 year old? And if power and coercion are not used, is a 40 yr old with 17 yr old any more or less damaging (or fulfilling), than a 17 yr old with another 17yr old? And are 17 yr old women devoid of power? It could be argued (perhaps by neanderthals) that they may hold more power over middle aged men than vice versa. Take American Beauty for example. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. In fact, he has explicitly said that that is why he posts responses to Judy: merely to push her buttons and then sit back and laugh at her. Yup. Of course, WHY he wants to push such buttons is beyond me... I've explicitly said that as well. It's a form of spiritual shorthand. I could go on an on about the mindset of the TM True Believer, or I could simply push the buttons of someone who has a proven history of being incapable of *not* reacting in TB fashion when someone pushes her buttons, and then just sit back and allow her to *demonstrate* the mindset I wanted exposed. ANd everyone on this forum appreciates your efforts, no doubt. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. In fact, he has explicitly said that that is why he posts responses to Judy: merely to push her buttons and then sit back and laugh at her. Yup. Of course, WHY he wants to push such buttons is beyond me... I've explicitly said that as well. It's a form of spiritual shorthand. I could go on an on about the mindset of the TM True Believer, or I could simply push the buttons of someone who has a proven history of being incapable of *not* reacting in TB fashion when someone pushes her buttons, and then just sit back and allow her to *demonstrate* the mindset I wanted exposed. ANd everyone on this forum appreciates your efforts, no doubt. For sharing his fantasy world with us. It's really quite amazing, given his alleged Buddhist leanings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Judy, above you said: Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically. A man who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no more sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post- pubescent young girls. Do you think it is acceptable for a consenting post-pubescent 12- year-old male to consent to sex with a 60-year-old male? I can't speak for Judy, but I think all Judy is saying is that there is nothing disordered about being sexually attracted to people who have reached sexual maturity. However, there is a major difference between attraction and acting on that attraction. Even though adolescents are sexually mature, they are emotionally immature and vulnerable, so there are age of consent laws to protect them. Judy's saying one thing, and you're responding with a question concerning a different issue. Bingo. I've been trying to get Shemp to figure that out for himself, but he probably never would have. Okay, to respond to your request, that's what I meant. Now, answer the question. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
Very good, Judy, but actually, Feste is in Twelfth Night, not King Lear. But you are right about the wisdom part. Feste is a very non-attached character in that play; he knows everything that is going on but belongs nowhere and doesn't care to. He also has the last word in the play -- another reason why he is a particular friend of mine . . . btw, your admirable attempt to hold the line on lie rather than lay is I fear doomed to failure. The battle has been lost and I see no way of reversing it. I am concentrating my efforts these days on off of, which I regard as an abomination on a par with . . . no, better not get into that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Feste is actually a German word meaning strong or mighty, as in Ein' feste Burg ist unser Gott (A mighty fortress is our God.) FWIW, Feste is also the name of Shakespeare's wisest Fool, the one who attends King Lear. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: 4) No, I do not agree that a poster's moniker detracts from the content of their post. Otherwise, I would have long ago been detracted from the insights of your posts -- intended and not --- by the similarity of your name and festing sore. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 25, 2006, at 9:10 PM, authfriend wrote: Right: Vaj, isn't your scholarship as thin as a tart's negligee? We had the answer to that without your assistance, although you thoughtfully provide additional evidence in your current post. Since Vaj has carefully snipped both what he had written and my response, I'll restore them here so we can all see *why* he snipped them: No this is not why they were snipped. Of course it was. You have such a fertile imagination, shame you could not put it to better use! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 25, 2006, at 9:17 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 25, 2006, at 6:33 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Good detective work, Judy. I guessed that Vaj's scholarship was as thin as a tart's negligee P.S.: No detective work required, BTW, other than a quick Google for the exact quote from Clementine's letter. The nature of the find is pretty common knowledge even among those who just dabble in this sort of thing. Interestingly, you left the key points out about the letter-- specifically what Clement says about the nature of the text itself. I wasn't writing a dissertation on the letter, merely correcting your gross misstatements. No merely interjecting your nit-picking on works I read 20 years ago. You read way too much into casual speech my dear! Hardly nitpicking, I'm afraid. Claiming we found Urmarkus when what we really found was a snippet quoted in a Clementine letter is a *huge* blooper, one a scholar would not make. If you had a question, you should ask. It had nothing to do with UFO's! :-) I had no questions, as you know, Vaj. Nor did I suggest the snippet had anything to do with UFOs. You're just like Barry. When you attempt to defend your disingenuity, all you do is provide more evidence for it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Just for the record, I have made no comment at all about oral sex. Would you look more favorably on homosexuals if they engaged only in oral sex and never in anal sex? And I keep forgetting to ask: In your opinion, do straight couples who engage in anal sex have a lifestyle that is not as good as those who do not? Are straight couples who engage in anal sex walking the road to hell? Judy, what portion of the AIDS problem in the Third World is directly due to anal intercourse? Non sequitur. Okay, it's a non sequitur...but could you please answer the fucking question? I believe you cited the statistic yourself a few posts back, so it's not only a non sequitur, it's a disingenuous question, one you know the answer to. Well, then, let me ask you this: do you therefore feel that straight couples who engage in anal sex without protection are walking on the road to hell? I have no idea who's walking on the road to hell and who isn't. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very good, Judy, but actually, Feste is in Twelfth Night, not King Lear. You are absolutely correct. So much for *my* scholarship! But you are right about the wisdom part. Feste is a very non-attached character in that play; he knows everything that is going on but belongs nowhere and doesn't care to. He also has the last word in the play -- another reason why he is a particular friend of mine . . . Shakespeare's Fools are extraordinary. I've often wondered whether Shakespeare was enlightened, and his Fools seem to me to suggest that he was. btw, your admirable attempt to hold the line on lie rather than lay is I fear doomed to failure. The battle has been lost and I see no way of reversing it. You could be right, but as an editor it's my dharma to continue the struggle. I am concentrating my efforts these days on off of, which I regard as an abomination on a par with . . . no, better not get into that. grin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Feste is actually a German word meaning strong or mighty, as in Ein' feste Burg ist unser Gott (A mighty fortress is our God.) FWIW, Feste is also the name of Shakespeare's wisest Fool, the one who attends King Lear. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: 4) No, I do not agree that a poster's moniker detracts from the content of their post. Otherwise, I would have long ago been detracted from the insights of your posts -- intended and not --- by the similarity of your name and festing sore. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shakespeare's Fools are extraordinary. I've often wondered whether Shakespeare was enlightened, and his Fools seem to me to suggest that he was. Are you aware of some of the speculations about Shakespeare i.e. how he was one of the many inacarnations of St. Germaine. I have to admit, I am inclined to buy into it. It would help explain his remarkable skills. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
Shakespeare's plays were in fact written by the Earl of Oxford. They were certainly not written by the illiterate Shaksper from Stratford, who could barely sign his own name and appears to have been interested only in the acquisition of wealth, social status and property. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Shakespeare's Fools are extraordinary. I've often wondered whether Shakespeare was enlightened, and his Fools seem to me to suggest that he was. Are you aware of some of the speculations about Shakespeare i.e. how he was one of the many inacarnations of St. Germaine. I have to admit, I am inclined to buy into it. It would help explain his remarkable skills. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Shakespeare's Fools are extraordinary. I've often wondered whether Shakespeare was enlightened, and his Fools seem to me to suggest that he was. Are you aware of some of the speculations about Shakespeare i.e. how he was one of the many inacarnations of St. Germaine. I have to admit, I am inclined to buy into it. It would help explain his remarkable skills. Do you have a Web reference for St. Germaine? I don't know nuttin' about him, or about those speculations. I have to say, though, I'm not as interested in Shakespeare's identity, incarnational or historical, as I am in the physical entity who put the words on paper, if you see the distinction I'm making. Whoever he was, he was one hell of an incarnation. I'm inclined to think of him as the most significant all- round human genius of whom we have any record. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
Why would the Earl of Oxford not have wanted to take credit for the plays? Sal On Feb 26, 2006, at 9:31 AM, feste37 wrote: Shakespeare's plays were in fact written by the Earl of Oxford. They were certainly not written by the illiterate Shaksper from Stratford, who could barely sign his own name and appears to have been interested only in the acquisition of wealth, social status and property.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Just for the record, I have made no comment at all about oral sex. Would you look more favorably on homosexuals if they engaged only in oral sex and never in anal sex? And I keep forgetting to ask: In your opinion, do straight couples who engage in anal sex have a lifestyle that is not as good as those who do not? Are straight couples who engage in anal sex walking the road to hell? Judy, what portion of the AIDS problem in the Third World is directly due to anal intercourse? Non sequitur. Okay, it's a non sequitur...but could you please answer the fucking question? I believe you cited the statistic yourself a few posts back, so it's not only a non sequitur, it's a disingenuous question, one you know the answer to. Well, then, let me ask you this: do you therefore feel that straight couples who engage in anal sex without protection are walking on the road to hell? I have no idea who's walking on the road to hell and who isn't. Oh, I see. I guess that's why you were asking that same question about members of groups with other sexual orientations in another post. I suppose you were genuinely curious, then, about who was and who wasn't on the road to hell, eh, and that's why you originally asked the question? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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It just wasn't the thing for a nobleman to write plays for the public theaters, which were considered rather disreputable places. Writing plays was something lower-class people did. It was closer to a trade than an honorable profession, hence the word playwright, as in shipwright and wheelwright, that is, an artisan, a worker. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would the Earl of Oxford not have wanted to take credit for the plays? Sal On Feb 26, 2006, at 9:31 AM, feste37 wrote: Shakespeare's plays were in fact written by the Earl of Oxford. They were certainly not written by the illiterate Shaksper from Stratford, who could barely sign his own name and appears to have been interested only in the acquisition of wealth, social status and property. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have a Web reference for St. Germaine? I don't know nuttin' about him, or about those speculations. snip Whoever he was, he was one hell of an incarnation. I'm inclined to think of him as the most significant all- round human genius of whom we have any record. The buzz about St. Germaine is about as wild as you are likely to find. It makes for a great story whether it's true or not. I am not an expert by a long shot, but one version has St. Germain being the soul who discovered America as Christoper Columbus, writing the plays attritbuted to Shakespear, I believe as Thomas (?) Bacon, serving as our first US President as George Washington, and most recently as Guy Ballard of the St. Germaine Foundation, to name just a few. And it is said Ballards Wife, Edna, was previously Benjamen Franklin. I WILL SAY THIS, when you look at Photos of Guy and Edna, they bear a striking resemblence to these two historical figures. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Feb 26, 2006, at 1:04 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:The "buzz" about St. Germaine is about as wild as you are likely to find. It makes for a great story whether it's true or not. I am not an expert by a long shot, but one version has St. Germain being the soul who discovered America as Christoper Columbus, writing the plays attritbuted to Shakespear, I believe as Thomas (?) Bacon, serving as our first US President as George Washington, and most recently as Guy Ballard of the St. Germaine Foundation, to name just a few. And it is said Ballards Wife, Edna, was previously Benjamen Franklin. I WILL SAY THIS, when you look at Photos of Guy and Edna, they bear a striking resemblence to these two historical figures. For a fascinating and authoritative investigation of the Comte St. Germaine, I highly recommend Raphael Patai's _The Jewish Alchemists_ which has an entire chapter on him. Fascinating! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Just for the record, I have made no comment at all about oral sex. Would you look more favorably on homosexuals if they engaged only in oral sex and never in anal sex? And I keep forgetting to ask: In your opinion, do straight couples who engage in anal sex have a lifestyle that is not as good as those who do not? Are straight couples who engage in anal sex walking the road to hell? Judy, what portion of the AIDS problem in the Third World is directly due to anal intercourse? Non sequitur. Okay, it's a non sequitur...but could you please answer the fucking question? I believe you cited the statistic yourself a few posts back, so it's not only a non sequitur, it's a disingenuous question, one you know the answer to. Well, then, let me ask you this: do you therefore feel that straight couples who engage in anal sex without protection are walking on the road to hell? I have no idea who's walking on the road to hell and who isn't. Oh, I see. I guess that's why you were asking that same question about members of groups with other sexual orientations in another post. I suppose you were genuinely curious, then, about who was and who wasn't on the road to hell, eh, and that's why you originally asked the question? I was genuinely curious what the person I was asking thought, yes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Do you have a Web reference for St. Germaine? I don't know nuttin' about him, or about those speculations. snip Whoever he was, he was one hell of an incarnation. I'm inclined to think of him as the most significant all- round human genius of whom we have any record. The buzz about St. Germaine is about as wild as you are likely to find. It makes for a great story whether it's true or not. I am not an expert by a long shot, but one version has St. Germain being the soul who discovered America as Christoper Columbus, writing the plays attritbuted to Shakespear, I believe as Thomas (?) Bacon, Roger Bacon, most likely... serving as our first US President as George Washington, and most recently as Guy Ballard of the St. Germaine Foundation, to name just a few. Wasn't St. Germaine, *as* St. Germaine, active during the French Revolution? Or was that a different St. Germaine? And it is said Ballards Wife, Edna, was previously Benjamen Franklin. I WILL SAY THIS, when you look at Photos of Guy and Edna, they bear a striking resemblence to these two historical figures. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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OK, even if that were the case, the profession became respectable and has been so for quite a while since. Wouldn't the Earl's descendants have wanted to set the record straight? Wouldn't they want their own ancestor to be known as the greatest playwright in history? And why would the Earl have picked someone illiterate to be his frontman? Wouldn't that have seemed sort of suspicious? And I'm still a bit confused as to how someone who is so illiterate all they can do is to sign their own name, becomes interested in the acquisition of wealth, social status and property to begin with? And how someone this low on the social scale made his situation so well-known that 400 years later people are still talking about it. Sal On Feb 26, 2006, at 10:54 AM, feste37 wrote: It just wasn't the thing for a nobleman to write plays for the public theaters, which were considered rather disreputable places. Writing plays was something lower-class people did. It was closer to a trade than an honorable profession, hence the word playwright, as in shipwright and wheelwright, that is, an artisan, a worker. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why would the Earl of Oxford not have wanted to take credit for the > plays? > > Sal > > > On Feb 26, 2006, at 9:31 AM, feste37 wrote: > > > Shakespeare's plays were in fact written by the Earl of Oxford. They > > were > > certainly not written by the illiterate Shaksper from Stratford, who > > could barely > > sign his own name and appears to have been interested only in the > > acquisition of wealth, social status and property. >
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Judy writes: I have to say, though, I'm not as interested in Shakespeare's identity, incarnational or historical, as I am in the physical entity who put the words on paper, if you see the distinction I'm making. Whoever he was, he was one hell of an incarnation. I'm inclined to think of him as the most significant all- round human genius of whom we have any record. Tom T: In Maurice Buckes Classic Cosmic Consciousness Bucke makes the case that Franccis Bacon wrote all the Shakespeare stuff and does a cross reference to Bacons other writings to corraborate style and manner. Bucke also makes the case that Bacon was extablished in Cosmic Consciousness as defined by Bucke. The E P Dutton version of 1969 has it starting on page 153. A great read in total as he includes many of the worlds greatest writers in the same category as Bacon. ie Blake, Whitman, Dante, Balzac,etc. He also included the stories of 36 ordinary contemporaries who lived at the end of the 1800's. The book was first published in 1900. Enjoy Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig wrote: Why are so many women into giving oral sex? You mean unreciprocated oral sex? As opposed to the serial giving and receiving of pleasure? Yep. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those who are so keen to prove their liberal credentials by endorsing the practice of buggery might care to consult The Secret Life of Oscar Wilde (2005), by Neil McKenna, which provides many details of the disgusting nature of such acts. After Oscar had his way with the young men who came to his hotel room, the sheets were stained with shit, and this was important evidence, as supplied by a maid, in Oscar's conviction at his trial. Acknowledging is not the same as endorsing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Oh, Jude, I hate to be the first person to inform you of this, but the particular orifice in question was not designed to accommodate that particular appendage. If you're going to appeal to teleology, I was shocked tofind that feste is a creationist -- or at least an intelligent design deist pseudo scientist. Or maybe just a homophobe. I thought the latter was synonomous with the former two. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Those who are so keen to prove their liberal credentials I have no interest in liberal credentials. by endorsing the practice of buggery might care to consult The Secret Life of Oscar Wilde (2005), by Neil McKenna, which provides many details of the disgusting nature of such acts. After Oscar had his way with the young men who came to his hotel room, the sheets were stained with shit, and this was important evidence, as supplied by a maid, in Oscar's conviction at his trial. Ah. One man's experience in repressed victorian England certainly proves your point beyond any doubt: 'all anal sex is dirty and filthy as is as utterly disgusting as the fag queer homo perverts who do it. I mean eeeww.' I know younger women who will only do anal -- in that it is far more pleasurable for them. And they say once guys have good female anal, they never go back to the other orface -- again the pleasure is so great. There is far more practice in controlling the muscles of the sphinctor than of the vagina. Most women don't even know how to begin, but I prefer non-anal by a good bit for many many reasons that have nothing to do with muscle control. So much for the liberal casting of anal as a gay thing. But then you probably think oral sex is totally gay also. And so much for your creationist design theories. Apparently the anal canal has a better design for sex than the vagina. Does that make your presumed designer gay. Most designers are of course. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but I don't find the acts disgusting. I find homophobia such as yours disgusting. I don't get off on looking at such acts. ANd any physical response is tainted with a certain level of distaste so I don't initiate such acts either. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/24/06 1:42:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, jstein@ writes: I was shocked tofind that feste is a creationist -- or at least an intelligent design deist pseudo scientist. Or maybe just a homophobe. Or maybe just a little more in tune with nature than some. Oh, goody, another homophobe comes out of the closet. Were I a fundamentalist christian, I might call it counter to nature. Instead, I just call it something I'm not into for various reasons. However, I don't justify my personal distaste by condemning other peoplefor having other tastes. Of coruse, there are some who equate homosexualality with pediphilia and view both as a matter of taste so for them, it goes beyond a matter of taste. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 24, 2006, at 5:54 PM, feste37 wrote: But it doesn't mean I have to go along with the homosexual agenda What is that, Feste? I mean that sincerely. I have heard about the homosexual agenda for years, as have many others, but have yet to see a single copy of it. The homosexual agenda, such as it is, is to be accepted as full-blown members of society in every respect, including the right to marry, adopt kids, etc. There are anciliallary agendas, like the right to boink whomever you want, whenever you want, that helped contribute to the AIDS epidemic amongst homosexual men in this country, but the sexual underground for heterosexuals was never quite so media hungry as the homosexual one was, at least IMHO, so we heard more about the gay bathhouses than Club whatsis. that brainwashes people into believing that a homosexual 'lifestyle is just as good as any other. And the last time a homosexual approached you and tried to brainwash you into believing that his lifestyle was just as good as yours was...? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/24/06 5:19:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, j_alexander_stanley@ writes: Or maybe just a little more in tune with nature than some. The only thing that kind of spiritual arrogance has to do with enlightenment is as a barrier to it. H isn't that the line , or a similar one , that Andy Rhymer used on his victims? What are you saying? That Judy also molests young men and gives them blow jobs? Well, depending on how old young is, neither they nor the law, may view it as molestation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Were I a fundamentalist christian, I might call it counter to nature. Instead, I just call it something I'm not into for various reasons. However, I don't justify my personal distaste by condemning other peoplefor having other tastes. Of coruse, there are some who equate homosexualality with pediphilia and view both as a matter of taste so for them, it goes beyond a matter of taste. Well, but there's no excuse *whatsoever* for equating homosexuality with pedophilia. A pedophile is one whose sexual preference is for *prepubescent children*, of either sex. That's just a fact, that's not an opinion or a matter of taste. If the sex object is past puberty, it isn't pedophilia. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Were I a fundamentalist christian, I might call it counter to nature. Instead, I just call it something I'm not into for various reasons. However, I don't justify my personal distaste by condemning other peoplefor having other tastes. Of coruse, there are some who equate homosexualality with pediphilia and view both as a matter of taste so for them, it goes beyond a matter of taste. Well, but there's no excuse *whatsoever* for equating homosexuality with pedophilia. A pedophile is one whose sexual preference is for *prepubescent children*, of either sex. That's just a fact, that's not an opinion or a matter of taste. If the sex object is past puberty, it isn't pedophilia. Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically. A man who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no more sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post-pubescent young girls. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: snip 2) Anal sex, Do you a man and woman haveing anal anal sex I'm having a little trouble visualizing this one... double-ended dildo? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wasn't St. Germaine, *as* St. Germaine, active during the French Revolution? Or was that a different St. Germaine? same dude. In some ways he's just like Waldo. He keeps popping up in interesting places. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Sorry, but I don't find the acts disgusting. I find homophobia such as yours disgusting. I don't get off on looking at such acts. ANd any physical response is tainted with a certain level of distaste so I don't initiate such acts either. Thank you for sharing that bit of information with us, Spare Egg. That was really something we all wanted to know. So, go on and continue to respond to each and every post on this forum, please. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Were I a fundamentalist christian, I might call it counter to nature. Instead, I just call it something I'm not into for various reasons. However, I don't justify my personal distaste by condemning other peoplefor having other tastes. Of coruse, there are some who equate homosexualality with pediphilia and view both as a matter of taste so for them, it goes beyond a matter of taste. Well, but there's no excuse *whatsoever* for equating homosexuality with pedophilia. A pedophile is one whose sexual preference is for *prepubescent children*, of either sex. That's just a fact, that's not an opinion or a matter of taste. If the sex object is past puberty, it isn't pedophilia. Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically. A man who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no more sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post-pubescent young girls. So as long as the boy has pubic hair and his voice has dropped, if he willingly engages in sex with a 60 year old man, then the 60 year old is ONLY guilty of statutory rape? Is that what you're saying? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Were I a fundamentalist christian, I might call it counter to nature. Instead, I just call it something I'm not into for various reasons. However, I don't justify my personal distaste by condemning other peoplefor having other tastes. Of coruse, there are some who equate homosexualality with pediphilia and view both as a matter of taste so for them, it goes beyond a matter of taste. Well, but there's no excuse *whatsoever* for equating homosexuality with pedophilia. A pedophile is one whose sexual preference is for *prepubescent children*, of either sex. That's just a fact, that's not an opinion or a matter of taste. If the sex object is past puberty, it isn't pedophilia. Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically. A man who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no more sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post-pubescent young girls. So as long as the boy has pubic hair and his voice has dropped, if he willingly engages in sex with a 60 year old man, then the 60 year old is ONLY guilty of statutory rape? Is that what you're saying? I'm sorry, can you show me where I was talking about guilt or legal distinctions? And if not, could you please make an effort next time to read what you're responding to? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
Shaksper was an actor. He was quite a convenient front man for Oxford. I cannot answer all your questions because it is some years since I researched this and I have forgotten many of the details. But the best book on the subject was published only last August. It's called Shakespeare by Any Other Name, by Mark Anderson. I haven't read it yet, but it's a serious book, serious publisher, and was reviewed in the quality press. The author has a website, http://www.shakespearebyanothername.com/index.html, which may pique your interest in the whole issue. There are also some cheap used copies available on Amazon. The case for Oxford as author is circumstantial, but the parallels between his life and the details of the plays are cumulative and in sum overwhelming. Also, it's been known for some years now that one of the few portraits of Shaksper, known as the Ashbourne portrait, is in fact a touched up portrait of the Earl of Oxford. This has been demonstrated scientifically and has never been refuted by the Stratfordians (those who cling to the belief that Shaksper of Stratford wrote the plays). The academic establishment refuses to take the Oxford case seriously but they are looking more and more foolish as the years go by. Their biographies of Shakespeare are a joke. Of course, if they were to admit that Oxford wrote the plays, or even acknowledge the possibility of such a thing, their life's work would be negated. They simply can't afford to admit they are wrong. Someone on this site mentioned Francis Bacon as the author. No way! The only serious candidate is Oxford, and Oxford wrote those plays. I have no doubt of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, even if that were the case, the profession became respectable and has been so for quite a while since. Wouldn't the Earl's descendants have wanted to set the record straight? Wouldn't they want their own ancestor to be known as the greatest playwright in history? And why would the Earl have picked someone illiterate to be his frontman? Wouldn't that have seemed sort of suspicious? And I'm still a bit confused as to how someone who is so illiterate all they can do is to sign their own name, becomes interested in the acquisition of wealth, social status and property to begin with? And how someone this low on the social scale made his situation so well-known that 400 years later people are still talking about it. Sal On Feb 26, 2006, at 10:54 AM, feste37 wrote: It just wasn't the thing for a nobleman to write plays for the public theaters, which were considered rather disreputable places. Writing plays was something lower-class people did. It was closer to a trade than an honorable profession, hence the word playwright, as in shipwright and wheelwright, that is, an artisan, a worker. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Why would the Earl of Oxford not have wanted to take credit for the plays? Sal On Feb 26, 2006, at 9:31 AM, feste37 wrote: Shakespeare's plays were in fact written by the Earl of Oxford. They were certainly not written by the illiterate Shaksper from Stratford, who could barely sign his own name and appears to have been interested only in the acquisition of wealth, social status and property. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/24/06 1:42:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, jstein@ writes: I was shocked tofind that feste is a creationist -- or at least an intelligent design deist pseudo scientist. Or maybe just a homophobe. Or maybe just a little more in tune with nature than some. Oh, goody, another homophobe comes out of the closet. Were I a fundamentalist christian, I might call it counter to nature. And, some TM-TB's would call it a violation of natural law, and both groups have obviously never taken the time to observe what *actually* goes on in nature. But, it certainly is easy for the majority to vilify a small minority they perceive as distasteful. Unfortunately, when such attitudes are codified into dogma by the religious industrial complex, they become ego chow that fuels separation and ego-identity; purported to be spiritual knowledge, it is actually just the opposite. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
Even though many of the plays were written after Oxford died? OK. I imagine in about 3 or 400 years we'll be hearing pretty much the same thing about Lennon and MacCartney: Those guys could *never* have produced all that music. No way! They were from ordinary families, not the elite! They barely had high school educations. And Paul MacCartney couldn't even read music! It must have been Prince Charles. Sal On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:05 PM, feste37 wrote: The case for Oxford as author is circumstantial, but the parallels between his life and the details of the plays are cumulative and in sum overwhelming.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even though many of the plays were written after Oxford died? OK. I imagine in about 3 or 400 years we'll be hearing pretty much the same thing about Lennon and MacCartney: Those guys could *never* have produced all that music. No way! They were from ordinary families, not the elite! They barely had high school educations. And Paul MacCartney couldn't even read music! It must have been Prince Charles. Sal And who will they think wrote all of Elton John's stuff? The Queen? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
The official dates of composition of the plays involves large amounts of guesswork. Many of them cannot be dated with any certainty at all. Oxford died some years before Shaksper, but the so-called later plays can without much difficulty be placed earlier than they appear in the official chronologies. I'm unconvinced by your Beatles analogy, but it doesn't interest me one way or another what you choose to believe. You asked me a question and I answered it, that's all. Generally, I've found that people are skeptical at first, even derisive, when they first hear about the Oxfordian claims (although that is your general style on this board anyway), but the more they investigate the matter, the more convincing they find the Oxfordian case to be. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even though many of the plays were written after Oxford died? OK. I imagine in about 3 or 400 years we'll be hearing pretty much the same thing about Lennon and MacCartney: Those guys could *never* have produced all that music. No way! They were from ordinary families, not the elite! They barely had high school educations. And Paul MacCartney couldn't even read music! It must have been Prince Charles. Sal On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:05 PM, feste37 wrote: The case for Oxford as author is circumstantial, but the parallels between his life and the details of the plays are cumulative and in sum overwhelming. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
On Feb 26, 2006, at 6:34 PM, feste37 wrote: I'm unconvinced by your Beatles analogy, but it doesn't interest me one way or another what you choose to believe. I was just attempting to instill a little humor in the discussion, Feste--a hopeless task, I should have known. You asked me a question and I answered it, that's all. Generally, I've found that people are skeptical at first, even derisive, when they first hear about the Oxfordian claims (although that is your general style on this board anyway), Um, weren't you one of the ones objecting to labels a while back? but the more they investigate the matter, the more convincing they find the Oxfordian case to be. The same people who believe that Elvis lives or that Abraham Lincoln was reincarnated as Andy Rymer? What I have always objected to about this theory (for lack of a better word) is its blatant mean-spiritedness, its smug elitism, its attempt to deny one of the greatest literary accomplishments in history to a mere commoner--based on the flimsiest of evidence, changing facts all over the place whenever they are inconvenient rather than actually dealing with them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
I made the mistake of thinking that your inquiry was a serious one, and I took some time to deal sincerely with you in a spirit of intellectual inquiry. Obviously, I was wasting my time. You do not have a clue what you are talking about and you appear to have no interest in learning. That's my last word on the matter, no matter what your silly little mind comes up with as a response, which I will not even bother to read. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 26, 2006, at 6:34 PM, feste37 wrote: I'm unconvinced by your Beatles analogy, but it doesn't interest me one way or another what you choose to believe. I was just attempting to instill a little humor in the discussion, Feste--a hopeless task, I should have known. You asked me a question and I answered it, that's all. Generally, I've found that people are skeptical at first, even derisive, when they first hear about the Oxfordian claims (although that is your general style on this board anyway), Um, weren't you one of the ones objecting to labels a while back? but the more they investigate the matter, the more convincing they find the Oxfordian case to be. The same people who believe that Elvis lives or that Abraham Lincoln was reincarnated as Andy Rymer? What I have always objected to about this theory (for lack of a better word) is its blatant mean-spiritedness, its smug elitism, its attempt to deny one of the greatest literary accomplishments in history to a mere commoner--based on the flimsiest of evidence, changing facts all over the place whenever they are inconvenient rather than actually dealing with them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Were I a fundamentalist christian, I might call it counter to nature. Instead, I just call it something I'm not into for various reasons. However, I don't justify my personal distaste by condemning other peoplefor having other tastes. Of coruse, there are some who equate homosexualality with pediphilia and view both as a matter of taste so for them, it goes beyond a matter of taste. Well, but there's no excuse *whatsoever* for equating homosexuality with pedophilia. A pedophile is one whose sexual preference is for *prepubescent children*, of either sex. That's just a fact, that's not an opinion or a matter of taste. If the sex object is past puberty, it isn't pedophilia. Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically. A man who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no more sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post-pubescent young girls. So as long as the boy has pubic hair and his voice has dropped, if he willingly engages in sex with a 60 year old man, then the 60 year old is ONLY guilty of statutory rape? Is that what you're saying? I'm sorry, can you show me where I was talking about guilt or legal distinctions? pedophilia = illegal homosexuality = legal And if not, could you please make an effort next time to read what you're responding to? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Even though many of the plays were written after Oxford died? OK. I imagine in about 3 or 400 years we'll be hearing pretty much the same thing about Lennon and MacCartney: Those guys could *never* have produced all that music. No way! They were from ordinary families, not the elite! They barely had high school educations. And Paul MacCartney couldn't even read music! It must have been Prince Charles. Sal And who will they think wrote all of Elton John's stuff? The Queen? Are you saying Elton John is a queen? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Were I a fundamentalist christian, I might call it counter to nature. Instead, I just call it something I'm not into for various reasons. However, I don't justify my personal distaste by condemning other peoplefor having other tastes. Of coruse, there are some who equate homosexualality with pediphilia and view both as a matter of taste so for them, it goes beyond a matter of taste. Well, but there's no excuse *whatsoever* for equating homosexuality with pedophilia. A pedophile is one whose sexual preference is for *prepubescent children*, of either sex. That's just a fact, that's not an opinion or a matter of taste. If the sex object is past puberty, it isn't pedophilia. Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically. A man who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no more sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post-pubescent young girls. So as long as the boy has pubic hair and his voice has dropped, if he willingly engages in sex with a 60 year old man, then the 60 year old is ONLY guilty of statutory rape? Is that what you're saying? I'm sorry, can you show me where I was talking about guilt or legal distinctions? pedophilia = illegal homosexuality = legal I'm sorry, can you show me where I was talking about guilt or legal distinctions? And if not, could you please make an effort next time to read what you're responding to? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Were I a fundamentalist christian, I might call it counter to nature. Instead, I just call it something I'm not into for various reasons. However, I don't justify my personal distaste by condemning other peoplefor having other tastes. Of coruse, there are some who equate homosexualality with pediphilia and view both as a matter of taste so for them, it goes beyond a matter of taste. Well, but there's no excuse *whatsoever* for equating homosexuality with pedophilia. A pedophile is one whose sexual preference is for *prepubescent children*, of either sex. That's just a fact, that's not an opinion or a matter of taste. If the sex object is past puberty, it isn't pedophilia. Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically. A man who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no more sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post-pubescent young girls. So as long as the boy has pubic hair and his voice has dropped, if he willingly engages in sex with a 60 year old man, then the 60 year old is ONLY guilty of statutory rape? Is that what you're saying? I'm sorry, can you show me where I was talking about guilt or legal distinctions? pedophilia = illegal homosexuality = legal I'm sorry, can you show me where I was talking about guilt or legal distinctions? Okay, forget whether or not you were talking about guilt or legal distinctions...I'm now asking you whether a 60 year old man who engages in consentual homosexual sex with a post-pubescent 12 year old is only guilty of statutory rape and nothing else? And if not, could you please make an effort next time to read what you're responding to? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Were I a fundamentalist christian, I might call it counter to nature. Instead, I just call it something I'm not into for various reasons. However, I don't justify my personal distaste by condemning other peoplefor having other tastes. Of coruse, there are some who equate homosexualality with pediphilia and view both as a matter of taste so for them, it goes beyond a matter of taste. Well, but there's no excuse *whatsoever* for equating homosexuality with pedophilia. A pedophile is one whose sexual preference is for *prepubescent children*, of either sex. That's just a fact, that's not an opinion or a matter of taste. If the sex object is past puberty, it isn't pedophilia. Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically. A man who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no more sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post-pubescent young girls. So as long as the boy has pubic hair and his voice has dropped, if he willingly engages in sex with a 60 year old man, then the 60 year old is ONLY guilty of statutory rape? Is that what you're saying? I'm sorry, can you show me where I was talking about guilt or legal distinctions? pedophilia = illegal homosexuality = legal I'm sorry, can you show me where I was talking about guilt or legal distinctions? Okay, forget whether or not you were talking about guilt or legal distinctions... No need to forget whether or not, just acknowledge that I was not. I'm now asking you whether a 60 year old man who engages in consentual homosexual sex with a post-pubescent 12 year old is only guilty of statutory rape and nothing else? How should I know? Look it up yourself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Were I a fundamentalist christian, I might call it counter to nature. Instead, I just call it something I'm not into for various reasons. However, I don't justify my personal distaste by condemning other peoplefor having other tastes. Of coruse, there are some who equate homosexualality with pediphilia and view both as a matter of taste so for them, it goes beyond a matter of taste. Well, but there's no excuse *whatsoever* for equating homosexuality with pedophilia. A pedophile is one whose sexual preference is for *prepubescent children*, of either sex. That's just a fact, that's not an opinion or a matter of taste. If the sex object is past puberty, it isn't pedophilia. Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically. A man who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no more sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post-pubescent young girls. So as long as the boy has pubic hair and his voice has dropped, if he willingly engages in sex with a 60 year old man, then the 60 year old is ONLY guilty of statutory rape? Is that what you're saying? I'm sorry, can you show me where I was talking about guilt or legal distinctions? pedophilia = illegal homosexuality = legal I'm sorry, can you show me where I was talking about guilt or legal distinctions? Okay, forget whether or not you were talking about guilt or legal distinctions... No need to forget whether or not, just acknowledge that I was not. I'm now asking you whether a 60 year old man who engages in consentual homosexual sex with a post-pubescent 12 year old is only guilty of statutory rape and nothing else? How should I know? Look it up yourself. (sigh) Okay, let's try it this way. Judy, above you said: Also, just for the record, pedophilia is considered a sexual disorder, whereas homosexuality is not, at least clinically. A man who is attracted to young boys, if they are past puberty, is no more sexually disordered than a man who is attracted to post-pubescent young girls. Do you think it is acceptable for a consenting post-pubescent 12- year-old male to consent to sex with a 60-year-old male? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Argue THAT, suckas... :-) :-) :-) Interesting in a discussion of homosexual acts, you call people suckas. Anything latent you want to discuss :) Nope. Instead, I'll sign off with something from another board that labels the different types of sex. I think these labels work whether or not the sex in question is hetero or homo: Recent research shows that there are 5 kinds of sex: The lst kind of sex is called: Smurf Sex. This kind of sex happens when you first meet someone and you both have sex until you are blue in the face. The 2nd kind of sex is called: Kitchen Sex. This is when you have been with your partner for a short time and you are so horny you will have sex anywhere, even in the kitchen. The 3rd kind of sex is called: Bedroom Sex. This is when you have been with your partner for a long time. Your sex has gotten routine and you usually have sex only in your bedroom. The 4th kind of sex is called: Hallway Sex. This is when you have been with your partner for too long. When you pass each other in the hallway you both say Fuck You. The 5th kind of sex is called: Courtroom Sex. This is when you cannot stand your wife any more. She takes you to court and screws you in front of everyone. *Oppps.. Don't forget ** Social Security Sex.** You get a little each month...but not enough to live on! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Are you saying anal sex has become the norm now!!! I would like to know where you got that info from, I hoped it was still a minority thing. By the way did you know the anal sex craze started in the 70's when censors in the US banned vaginal intercourse from movies, but there's always a loophole. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just joking around. In your last question you asked (rhetorically) what feste might surmise was the agenda of each of the groups and it just struck me as funny, because the under 30 group seemed kind of fun in the limited examples of behavior you offered as exemplars. I also enjoyed Judy's double take on the anal-anal sex typo. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Not so sure about the other groups (below) but I think I'd like a little more information on the women-under-thirty agenda. I am not sure what agenda means in this context. Perhaps its a joke -- saying you want in on some of that. My point was that its my conversations and feedback from younger women, and from some surveys and articles, etc., those generally under 30 -- its not a hard and fast demarcation -- like sex in a wide variety of forms, and anal ranks near the top. I was sort of making a joke about Feste not even thinking about dating women under 30 (funny on several levels perhaps) -- since he appears disgusted with the thought of anal or oral sex -- even with an attractive 25 year old woman, I am guessing. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: But if I find myself thinking about what they do, I find it disgusting. Not having had hmosexual relations,I am kind of ignorant of them. With your expertise and possible experience, can you outline what the acts are that are particularly disgusting -- and if you find the hetro counterpart disgusting too. Particularly between older, fat and ugly people. 1) Oral sex. Do you find a woman giving a man head to be disgusting? 2) Anal sex, Do you a man and woman haveing anal anal sex to be disgusting? Better not even think about dating women under 30. 3) Anal stimulation. Do you find that a woman who stimulates a mans prostate by sliding a finger or object into a mans anus during sex is disgusting? Again, better not even think about dating women under 30. 4) Do you find 69 sex between a man and a woman disgusting? Do you find the image of an 80 year old man and woman having sex disgusting? Do you find the image of an obese man and woman having sex disgusting? Are all or any of the above on the road to hell? Whats the agenda of each of the above groups? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Not so sure about the other groups (below) but I think I'd like a little more information on the women-under-thirty agenda. I am not sure what agenda means in this context. Perhaps its a joke -- saying you want in on some of that. My point was that its my conversations and feedback from younger women, and from some surveys and articles, etc., those generally under 30 -- its not a hard and fast demarcation -- like sex in a wide variety of forms, and anal ranks near the top. I was sort of making a joke about Feste not even thinking about dating women under 30 (funny on several levels perhaps) -- since he appears disgusted with the thought of anal or oral sex -- even with an attractive 25 year old woman, I am guessing. I think Feste's ideal mate is a 58 year old lesbian. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Bottom line for me in all of this is that I think some people just like to LABEL others. Isn't that pretty much what this discussion has been about? Seems to me that a couple of people were bored because there weren't any arguments going on, and so the moment an excuse for one appeared, they leaped on it, spewed out a label or two, and then they were happy again, because the next morning we've got four whole screenloads of invective and argument on FFL. I can't wait to hear, when I get back from this weekend's vacation, how they label me for suggest- ing this. :-) And just to stir the waters a bit before I leave ( insert evil laugh here ), has no one but me noticed the relationship of the 'homophobe' thread to the Amma/muslim/cartoon thread? Essentially, feste *wrote a cartoon*, in words. Segueing from comments about laws forbidding sex with animals, he made a joke (admittedly, not a terribly good joke) about how cowboys having sex with each other reminded him of cowboys having sex with animals. Bam! The shit (literally, in this case, probably stirred up from all the anal sex talk) hits the fan. The first thing that happens is a bunch of people come rushing in to tell the cartoonist what a low-vibe slime he is and to keep his big mouth shut. Then these same politically-correct dogma bullies start in on anyone who *defends* the cartoonist's right to express themselves. The defenders are as much 'homophobes' as the cartoonist is. In other words, I think we've got the Nightly News being acted out here on FFL. The people calling others 'homophobes' are playing the Muslims who are trying to suppress the rights of the cartoonists and control what the public has the right to read in its newspapers. I'm visualizing huge marauding hordes of homosexuals going around, breaking into homes, redecorating them, and forcing fabulous hairstyles upon the drab, heterosexual occupants. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I can't believe I have Shemp defending me against Judy! But I have, so keep up the good work, Shemp! I agree with many of your points. You are right that to think a particular homosexual practice disgusting does not of itself constitute homophobia. I do know homosexuals, and I like them. But if I find myself thinking about what they do, I find it disgusting. Better to be honest about one's feelings and reactions than pretend to something else. I've got a couple of gay friends in Chicago who feel the same way about hetero sex. The mental image of women naked and the details of womens' bodies make these guys nauseated, and the thought of men having to have sex with one of these creatures makes them physically ill. So I wonder if Judy would be as quick to label them heterophobes as she is to label others homophobes. That would depend. Do they also claim that straight people are giving in to a perverse urge when they have sex with each other and are therefore walking the road to hell, and that they would have been better off never to have done it? Do they claim that those who defend straight sex are just trying to prove their conservative credentials? Do they insist that they aren't going to go along with the straight agenda that brainwashes folks into believing the straight lifestyle is as good as any other? Do they ask rhetorically what is straight about being heterosexual and say they just think it's twisted? If so, then, yes, I would label them heterophobes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And just to stir the waters a bit before I leave ( insert evil laugh here ), has no one but me noticed the relationship of the 'homophobe' thread to the Amma/muslim/cartoon thread? Essentially, feste *wrote a cartoon*, in words. Segueing from comments about laws forbidding sex with animals, he made a joke (admittedly, not a terribly good joke) about how cowboys having sex with each other reminded him of cowboys having sex with animals. So far, so good. Bam! The shit (literally, in this case, probably stirred up from all the anal sex talk) hits the fan. The first thing that happens is a bunch of people come rushing in to tell the cartoonist what a low-vibe slime he is and to keep his big mouth shut. Uh, no, nobody told him to keep his mouth shut. (They did tell him what a low-vibe slime he was once he had moved from making the bad joke to explicitly demonstrating his homophobia, however.) Then these same politically-correct dogma bullies start in on anyone who *defends* the cartoonist's right to express themselves. The defenders are as much 'homophobes' as the cartoonist is. Uh, no, the issue of the right to express oneself never came up at all. Nobody was defending the right because nobody had attacked it. In other words, I think we've got the Nightly News being acted out here on FFL. The people calling others 'homophobes' are playing the Muslims who are trying to suppress the rights of the cartoonists and control what the public has the right to read in its newspapers. Argue THAT, suckas... :-) :-) :-) It would be hard to argue if that were what had happened, but of course it wasn't. Barry made it up out of his very own little pointed head. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I can't believe I have Shemp defending me against Judy! But I have, so keep up the good work, Shemp! I agree with many of your points. You are right that to think a particular homosexual practice disgusting does not of itself constitute homophobia. I do know homosexuals, and I like them. But if I find myself thinking about what they do, I find it disgusting. Better to be honest about one's feelings and reactions than pretend to something else. I've got a couple of gay friends in Chicago who feel the same way about hetero sex. The mental image of women naked and the details of womens' bodies make these guys nauseated, and the thought of men having to have sex with one of these creatures makes them physically ill. So I wonder if Judy would be as quick to label them heterophobes as she is to label others homophobes. To document my earlier post, here are some quotes from Feste's other posts in this thread: - Those who are so keen to prove their liberal credentials by endorsing the practice of buggery might care to consult The Secret Life of Oscar Wilde (2005), by Neil McKenna, which provides many details of the disgusting nature of such acts. After Oscar had his way with the young men who came to his hotel room, the sheets were stained with shit, and this was important evidence, as supplied by a maid, in Oscar's conviction at his trial. - Ah, there you are quite wrong. I do not believe homosexual anal intercourse should be made illegal, and certainly should not result in sentences of two years hard labor, as it did in the case of Oscar Wilde. Nor do I think that homosexuals should be discriminated against. What people do in the privacy of their own homes is their own business. But it doesn't mean I have to go along with the homosexual agenda that brainwashes people into believing that a homosexual 'lifestyle is just as good as any other. No doubt the sodomites on this board who have so recently been giving out handy little tips on their practices will disagree, as is their right. Everyone has the right to choose their own path to hell. - I can't understand why the Christians are so upset about 'Brokeback Mountain.' To me it shows the misery and destruction that homosexual acts can cause. Those guys would have been better off had they never done it. They might possibly have been happily married. They gave in to a perverse urge and look where it got them -- walking the road to hell. - Now of couse the real reason I am provoking such a storm in this little insignificant corner of cyberspace is that THEY STOLE A GOOD WORD. Gay was a wonderful word that unfortunately can never be used again with its proper meaning. After all, what's gay about being queer? It's just sad. - Bottom line: As usual, Barry assumed he was so smart he didn't really need to read the whole thread. So he completely missed the blatant hypocrisy in the post of Feste's he quotes above, figuring the only reason Feste was being labeled a homophobe was because he finds their practice of anal sex disgusting. Then in a later post, as he also frequently does, Barry *made up* an issue that nobody had raised, i.e., that those criticizing Feste thought he shouldn't be allowed to express himself, and proceeded to dump on the critics for espousing censorship. That's Barry's world. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
Just for the record, I have made no comment at all about oral sex. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Not so sure about the other groups (below) but I think I'd like a little more information on the women-under-thirty agenda. I am not sure what agenda means in this context. Perhaps its a joke -- saying you want in on some of that. My point was that its my conversations and feedback from younger women, and from some surveys and articles, etc., those generally under 30 -- its not a hard and fast demarcation -- like sex in a wide variety of forms, and anal ranks near the top. I was sort of making a joke about Feste not even thinking about dating women under 30 (funny on several levels perhaps) -- since he appears disgusted with the thought of anal or oral sex -- even with an attractive 25 year old woman, I am guessing. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: But if I find myself thinking about what they do, I find it disgusting. Not having had hmosexual relations,I am kind of ignorant of them. With your expertise and possible experience, can you outline what the acts are that are particularly disgusting -- and if you find the hetro counterpart disgusting too. Particularly between older, fat and ugly people. 1) Oral sex. Do you find a woman giving a man head to be disgusting? 2) Anal sex, Do you a man and woman haveing anal anal sex to be disgusting? Better not even think about dating women under 30. 3) Anal stimulation. Do you find that a woman who stimulates a mans prostate by sliding a finger or object into a mans anus during sex is disgusting? Again, better not even think about dating women under 30. 4) Do you find 69 sex between a man and a woman disgusting? Do you find the image of an 80 year old man and woman having sex disgusting? Do you find the image of an obese man and woman having sex disgusting? Are all or any of the above on the road to hell? Whats the agenda of each of the above groups? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip And just to stir the waters a bit before I leave ( insert evil laugh here ), has no one but me noticed the relationship of the 'homophobe' thread to the Amma/muslim/cartoon thread? Essentially, feste *wrote a cartoon*, in words. Segueing from comments about laws forbidding sex with animals, he made a joke (admittedly, not a terribly good joke) about how cowboys having sex with each other reminded him of cowboys having sex with animals. So far, so good. Bam! The shit (literally, in this case, probably stirred up from all the anal sex talk) hits the fan. The first thing that happens is a bunch of people come rushing in to tell the cartoonist what a low-vibe slime he is and to keep his big mouth shut. Uh, no, nobody told him to keep his mouth shut. (They did tell him what a low-vibe slime he was once he had moved from making the bad joke to explicitly demonstrating his homophobia, however.) Then these same politically-correct dogma bullies start in on anyone who *defends* the cartoonist's right to express themselves. The defenders are as much 'homophobes' as the cartoonist is. Uh, no, the issue of the right to express oneself never came up at all. Nobody was defending the right because nobody had attacked it. In other words, I think we've got the Nightly News being acted out here on FFL. The people calling others 'homophobes' are playing the Muslims who are trying to suppress the rights of the cartoonists and control what the public has the right to read in its newspapers. Argue THAT, suckas... :-) :-) :-) It would be hard to argue if that were what had happened, but of course it wasn't. Barry made it up out of his very own little pointed head. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for the record, I have made no comment at all about oral sex. Would you look more favorably on homosexuals if they engaged only in oral sex and never in anal sex? And I keep forgetting to ask: In your opinion, do straight couples who engage in anal sex have a lifestyle that is not as good as those who do not? Are straight couples who engage in anal sex walking the road to hell? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for the record, I have made no comment at all about oral sex. Does that mean you believe cocksucking is part of the mouth's design specifications? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm visualizing huge marauding hordes of homosexuals going around, breaking into homes, redecorating them, and forcing fabulous hairstyles upon the drab, heterosexual occupants. Thats been happening for sometime now: the TV show Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. In my observation over more than 10 years, Barry adopts the *pose* of not taking himself seriously, but it's only that, a pose. It's designed to allow him to wiggle out of his dishonest statements and attacks when someone catches him. The attacks themselves are deadly serious, as is his intention to mislead and deceive others. You can't really tell that this is the case unless you've followed his posts and exchanges over some time. Just for instance, he'll say something untrue in a post that one *could* view as just kidding around, but then sometime later he'll bring the falsehood up again in a serious discussion as if it were established fact and base an argument on it. He's sometimes pretty clever about it. I'd bet that if you were to have taken a poll immediately after he'd posted what I quoted about the issue in the thread being the right to express oneself--i.e., his bogus parallel with the Muhammad cartoons thread--a majority of those who read that post would have thought he had a point. And that's a pretty serious charge, that those of us who have been criticizing Feste don't think Feste has a right to express his views. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for the record, I have made no comment at all about oral sex. But its one of those disgusting acts that disgusting fags do so I figured you were against that too. Like anal sex. You are against that because its one of those disgusting acts that disgusting fags do. So If I misunderstood you, I apologize. Do you actually favor oral sex? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Not so sure about the other groups (below) but I think I'd like a little more information on the women-under-thirty agenda. I am not sure what agenda means in this context. Perhaps its a joke -- saying you want in on some of that. My point was that its my conversations and feedback from younger women, and from some surveys and articles, etc., those generally under 30 -- its not a hard and fast demarcation -- like sex in a wide variety of forms, and anal ranks near the top. I was sort of making a joke about Feste not even thinking about dating women under 30 (funny on several levels perhaps) -- since he appears disgusted with the thought of anal or oral sex -- even with an attractive 25 year old woman, I am guessing. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: But if I find myself thinking about what they do, I find it disgusting. Not having had hmosexual relations,I am kind of ignorant of them. With your expertise and possible experience, can you outline what the acts are that are particularly disgusting -- and if you find the hetro counterpart disgusting too. Particularly between older, fat and ugly people. 1) Oral sex. Do you find a woman giving a man head to be disgusting? 2) Anal sex, Do you a man and woman haveing anal anal sex to be disgusting? Better not even think about dating women under 30. 3) Anal stimulation. Do you find that a woman who stimulates a mans prostate by sliding a finger or object into a mans anus during sex is disgusting? Again, better not even think about dating women under 30. 4) Do you find 69 sex between a man and a woman disgusting? Do you find the image of an 80 year old man and woman having sex disgusting? Do you find the image of an obese man and woman having sex disgusting? Are all or any of the above on the road to hell? Whats the agenda of each of the above groups? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. BTW, here's another post of Barry's on this topic that doesn't even have the profusion of smiley faces he often uses to give himself an out. I think it would be hard to take this one as anything *but* serious, yet it's just as dishonest as the one with the Muhammad cartoon parallel. Barry's actually embellishing Feste's pretense that the only thing we're objecting to is Feste's opinion that anal sex is disgusting. - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't believe I have Shemp defending me against Judy! But I have, so keep up the good work, Shemp! I agree with many of your points. You are right that to think a particular homosexual practice disgusting does not of itself constitute homophobia. I do know homosexuals, and I like them. But if I find myself thinking about what they do, I find it disgusting. Better to be honest about one's feelings and reactions than pretend to something else. I've got a couple of gay friends in Chicago who feel the same way about hetero sex. The mental image of women naked and the details of womens' bodies make these guys nauseated, and the thought of men having to have sex with one of these creatures makes them physically ill. So I wonder if Judy would be as quick to label them heterophobes as she is to label others homophobes. - Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
You like making things up, don't you? And the word fag that you employ twice is your word, not mine. I did not and do not use it. I also make a distinction between the person and the things that a person does that you have missed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Just for the record, I have made no comment at all about oral sex. But its one of those disgusting acts that disgusting fags do so I figured you were against that too. Like anal sex. You are against that because its one of those disgusting acts that disgusting fags do. So If I misunderstood you, I apologize. Do you actually favor oral sex? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Not so sure about the other groups (below) but I think I'd like a little more information on the women-under-thirty agenda. I am not sure what agenda means in this context. Perhaps its a joke -- saying you want in on some of that. My point was that its my conversations and feedback from younger women, and from some surveys and articles, etc., those generally under 30 -- its not a hard and fast demarcation -- like sex in a wide variety of forms, and anal ranks near the top. I was sort of making a joke about Feste not even thinking about dating women under 30 (funny on several levels perhaps) -- since he appears disgusted with the thought of anal or oral sex -- even with an attractive 25 year old woman, I am guessing. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: But if I find myself thinking about what they do, I find it disgusting. Not having had hmosexual relations,I am kind of ignorant of them. With your expertise and possible experience, can you outline what the acts are that are particularly disgusting -- and if you find the hetro counterpart disgusting too. Particularly between older, fat and ugly people. 1) Oral sex. Do you find a woman giving a man head to be disgusting? 2) Anal sex, Do you a man and woman haveing anal anal sex to be disgusting? Better not even think about dating women under 30. 3) Anal stimulation. Do you find that a woman who stimulates a mans prostate by sliding a finger or object into a mans anus during sex is disgusting? Again, better not even think about dating women under 30. 4) Do you find 69 sex between a man and a woman disgusting? Do you find the image of an 80 year old man and woman having sex disgusting? Do you find the image of an obese man and woman having sex disgusting? Are all or any of the above on the road to hell? Whats the agenda of each of the above groups? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Judy, your analysis is, of course, dead on accurate. But, I can't help but think you take Barry far more seriously than he takes himself. I always assume he's just joking around when he posts bullshit just to get a rise out of people. In my observation over more than 10 years, Barry adopts the *pose* of not taking himself seriously, but it's only that, a pose. It's designed to allow him to wiggle out of his dishonest statements and attacks when someone catches him. The attacks themselves are deadly serious, as is his intention to mislead and deceive others. You can't really tell that this is the case unless you've followed his posts and exchanges over some time. Just for instance, he'll say something untrue in a post that one *could* view as just kidding around, but then sometime later he'll bring the falsehood up again in a serious discussion as if it were established fact and base an argument on it. He's sometimes pretty clever about it. I'd bet that if you were to have taken a poll immediately after he'd posted what I quoted about the issue in the thread being the right to express oneself--i.e., his bogus parallel with the Muhammad cartoons thread--a majority of those who read that post would have thought he had a point. And that's a pretty serious charge, that those of us who have been criticizing Feste don't think Feste has a right to express his views. While I agree with you on the mechanics of his style, its not clear why he constantly distorts things. Does he have agenda? Perhaps he likes to promote a few minor POVs. But I don't see it as a crusade to promote a particular over arching platform. I think its more that seeks to be, craves being, seen as witty. To be the life of the party, always with a witty bon mot, piercing observation. Why let truth, facts and logic get in the way of such a fabulous pursuit? Its sort of fun to watch. Few of his witticisms can be made around true things. So its a bit of a game or puzzle to see what Barry is distorting today -- in pursuit of his fabulaous witty image. It keeps the mind sharp to unravel twisted knots, to peer through his smoke and mirrors. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
It means precisely what it says. Can't you read? -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Just for the record, I have made no comment at all about oral sex. Does that mean you believe cocksucking is part of the mouth's design specifications? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You like making things up, don't you? And the word fag that you employ twice is your word, not mine. I did not and do not use it. I also make a distinction between the person and the things that a person does that you have missed. OK. My use of the word fag was my interpretation of your mindset. It was perhaps excessive. But you fail to answer the question -- prefering to deflect attention by focusing on the poster, not the post. You said that you did not comment on oral sex. But you did make it clear that you find anal sex between homosexuals disgusting. So its fair to ask: 1) do you find oral sex disgusting, since this is a widescale homosexual act. 2) do you find anal sex between heterosexuals disgusting? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
On Feb 25, 2006, at 10:52 AM, foufou_fl wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You like making things up, don't you? And the word "fag" that you employ twice is your word, not mine. I did not and do not use it. I also make a distinction between the person and the things that a person does that you have missed. OK. My use of the word fag was my interpretation of your mindset. It was perhaps excessive. But you fail to answer the question -- prefering to deflect attention by focusing on the poster, not the post. You said that you did not comment on oral sex. But you did make it clear that you find anal sex between homosexuals disgusting. So its fair to ask: 1) do you find oral sex disgusting, since this is a widescale homosexual act. 2) do you find anal sex between heterosexuals disgusting? I'd also be interested in how he feels--or if he is even aware of the unedited gospels which portray Jesus as possibly homosexual. I'm thinking of course of the 'secret' Gospel of Mark. Was it reasonable for the church to edit these "sacred" documents to avoid that possibility? Would it be OK if the 12 disciples weren't just, well disciples ;-) and Jesus was gay? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
That's another one that was sure to come soon, the Jesus may have been gay thing. When so little is known for sure about a historical figure, you can make him into anything you want. No one can prove you right or wrong, so there's really no point to it, is there? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd also be interested in how he feels--or if he is even aware of the unedited gospels which portray Jesus as possibly homosexual. I'm thinking of course of the 'secret' Gospel of Mark. Was it reasonable for the church to edit these sacred documents to avoid that possibility? Would it be OK if the 12 disciples weren't just, well disciples ;-) and Jesus was gay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
It would make some gays more accepted and less marginalized. That's a good thing, no?Have you read the edited-out parts of Mark?On Feb 25, 2006, at 11:41 AM, feste37 wrote:That's another one that was sure to come soon, the "Jesus may have been gay" thing. When so little is known for sure about a historical figure, you can make him into anything you want. No one can prove you right or wrong, so there's really no point to it, is there? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would make some gays more accepted and less marginalized. That's a good thing, no? Not if you're just making it up, no. People who say Jesus may have been a homosexual are simply trying to spin non-existent historical facts to make them fit what they think is desirable. Doesn't sound very scholarly to me. I thought you were supposed to be a scholar, in which case I would have thought you would value truth, where it can be known, over pointless speculation. Have you read the edited-out parts of Mark? On Feb 25, 2006, at 11:41 AM, feste37 wrote: That's another one that was sure to come soon, the Jesus may have been gay thing. When so little is known for sure about a historical figure, you can make him into anything you want. No one can prove you right or wrong, so there's really no point to it, is there? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
In a message dated 2/25/06 1:11:30 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seems to me that a couple of people were boredbecause there weren't any arguments going on, andso the moment an excuse for one appeared, theyleaped on it, spewed out a label or two, andthen they were happy again, because the nextmorning we've got four whole screenloads ofinvective and argument on FFL. I plead guilty! I threw out the hook and bate when I said that the laws in Montana and Oklahoma regarding sheep were a Brokeback Mountain kind of thing. I knew somebody on the list would be forced to respond to the comparison of bestiality and homosexuality and from there we had the whole screen load of e-mails. And yes, I have beengiggling the whole time! LOL! However I don't think I spewed out any labels. I'm sure Judy will correct me if I'm wrong. LOL! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
On Feb 25, 2006, at 12:21 PM, feste37 wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would make some gays more accepted and less marginalized. That's a good thing, no? Not if you're just making it up, no. People who say Jesus may have been a homosexual are simply trying to spin non-existent historical facts to make them fit what they think is desirable. Doesn't sound very scholarly to me. I thought you were supposed to be a scholar, in which case I would have thought you would value truth, where it can be known, over pointless speculation. Is it "pointless speculation" to ask:Can an open heart *exclude*?Did Jesus have an open heart?Well, no, I'm not "making it up". The "gospels" have been edited, and the potentially homosexual parts were removed from Mark. We know because we found an old copy before the church got it's hands on it.Maybe Jesus was an androgyne, I don't know. It's the open hearted revolutionary that I liked. I have little interest in bending knee to a guy on a torture device. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
As you well know, all these documents were written many years after the life of Jesus, in some cases up to two centuries later (if I remember rightly). They express different ideological agendas. Whatever lost book you are referring to is no more of a guide to the historical Jesus than the canonical gospels. It just shows that there were people then, as there are now, who wished to claim Jesus as one of their own. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 25, 2006, at 12:21 PM, feste37 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: It would make some gays more accepted and less marginalized. That's a good thing, no? Not if you're just making it up, no. People who say Jesus may have been a homosexual are simply trying to spin non-existent historical facts to make them fit what they think is desirable. Doesn't sound very scholarly to me. I thought you were supposed to be a scholar, in which case I would have thought you would value truth, where it can be known, over pointless speculation. Is it pointless speculation to ask: Can an open heart *exclude*? Did Jesus have an open heart? Well, no, I'm not making it up. The gospels have been edited, and the potentially homosexual parts were removed from Mark. We know because we found an old copy before the church got it's hands on it. Maybe Jesus was an androgyne, I don't know. It's the open hearted revolutionary that I liked. I have little interest in bending knee to a guy on a torture device. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's another one that was sure to come soon, the Jesus may have been gay thing. When so little is known for sure about a historical figure, you can make him into anything you want. In this case, there's so little known that it is not certain that the Jesus depicted in the NT was even an actual historical figure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying anal sex has become the norm now!!! I would like to know where you got that info from, I hoped it was still a minority thing. By the way did you know the anal sex craze started in the 70's when censors in the US banned vaginal intercourse from movies, but there's always a loophole. I see alot of movies...now and in the '70s. I was NOT aware of that...care to cite who said such a thing or which movies started that (aside from Last Tango in Paris)? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Yes, just joking around. In your last question you asked (rhetorically) what feste might surmise was the agenda of each of the groups and it just struck me as funny, because the under 30 group seemed kind of fun in the limited examples of behavior you offered as exemplars. I also enjoyed Judy's double take on the anal-anal sex typo. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Not so sure about the other groups (below) but I think I'd like a little more information on the women-under-thirty agenda. I am not sure what agenda means in this context. Perhaps its a joke -- saying you want in on some of that. My point was that its my conversations and feedback from younger women, and from some surveys and articles, etc., those generally under 30 -- its not a hard and fast demarcation -- like sex in a wide variety of forms, and anal ranks near the top. I was sort of making a joke about Feste not even thinking about dating women under 30 (funny on several levels perhaps) -- since he appears disgusted with the thought of anal or oral sex -- even with an attractive 25 year old woman, I am guessing. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: But if I find myself thinking about what they do, I find it disgusting. Not having had hmosexual relations,I am kind of ignorant of them. With your expertise and possible experience, can you outline what the acts are that are particularly disgusting -- and if you find the hetro counterpart disgusting too. Particularly between older, fat and ugly people. 1) Oral sex. Do you find a woman giving a man head to be disgusting? 2) Anal sex, Do you a man and woman haveing anal anal sex to be disgusting? Better not even think about dating women under 30. 3) Anal stimulation. Do you find that a woman who stimulates a mans prostate by sliding a finger or object into a mans anus during sex is disgusting? Again, better not even think about dating women under 30. 4) Do you find 69 sex between a man and a woman disgusting? Do you find the image of an 80 year old man and woman having sex disgusting? Do you find the image of an obese man and woman having sex disgusting? Are all or any of the above on the road to hell? Whats the agenda of each of the above groups? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Not so sure about the other groups (below) but I think I'd like a little more information on the women-under-thirty agenda. I am not sure what agenda means in this context. Perhaps its a joke -- saying you want in on some of that. My point was that its my conversations and feedback from younger women, and from some surveys and articles, etc., those generally under 30 -- its not a hard and fast demarcation -- like sex in a wide variety of forms, and anal ranks near the top. I was sort of making a joke about Feste not even thinking about dating women under 30 (funny on several levels perhaps) -- since he appears disgusted with the thought of anal or oral sex -- even with an attractive 25 year old woman, I am guessing. I think Feste's ideal mate is a 58 year old lesbian. ...maybe a 25 year old lesbian and I'm on board... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It means precisely what it says. Can't you read? I can read. I was just curious what sentiment or thinking was behind the lack of commentary. It's not a problem if you don't want to elaborate. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Just for the record, I have made no comment at all about oral sex. Does that mean you believe cocksucking is part of the mouth's design specifications? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I can't believe I have Shemp defending me against Judy! But I have, so keep up the good work, Shemp! I agree with many of your points. You are right that to think a particular homosexual practice disgusting does not of itself constitute homophobia. I do know homosexuals, and I like them. But if I find myself thinking about what they do, I find it disgusting. Better to be honest about one's feelings and reactions than pretend to something else. I've got a couple of gay friends in Chicago who feel the same way about hetero sex. The mental image of women naked and the details of womens' bodies make these guys nauseated, and the thought of men having to have sex with one of these creatures makes them physically ill. So I wonder if Judy would be as quick to label them heterophobes as she is to label others homophobes. That would depend. Do they also claim that straight people are giving in to a perverse urge when they have sex with each other and are therefore walking the road to hell, and that they would have been better off never to have done it? Do they claim that those who defend straight sex are just trying to prove their conservative credentials? Do they insist that they aren't going to go along with the straight agenda that brainwashes folks into believing the straight lifestyle is as good as any other? Do they ask rhetorically what is straight about being heterosexual and say they just think it's twisted? If so, then, yes, I would label them heterophobes. ...and I ask Judy all those same questions above but to interchange straight with incest with brother or sister or animals or multiple partners... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
