Mr. Spock & L'il Abner

[Karen & Phil Masaoka]

Hi All,
 
We have decided to adopt another FELV+ cat for L'il Abner, hoping we won't
lose this one too soon.  It's been heartbreaking to lose Mr. Spock, as I'm
sure you all know.
Spock & Abner were the best of pals.  They would wrestle & run all over and
cuddle together and groom each other.  Spock was just 6 months old when we
adopted him, and we had him for one great year, before he started getting
sick.  He acted healthy & playful like your usual kitten.  He grew so big
that he had to go on a diet!  But even at his largest, he was still a kitten
to us, with his cute crooked ear (thus the name Spock) & kitten meow - his
voice never changed.  What a trooper!  If you're interested in seeing some
of my pictures, I've put Spock & Abner pics at the beginning of my photo
gallery here:
http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/free/gallery.asp?memberID=151297.  The
next cat you see in the group is Bailey.  She's the queen of the house &
lives upstairs.  She wants nothing to do with the boys, and it's better for
her that she's kept separated, as she has IBD and being exposed to FELV
could complicate things.

Here's hoping 2007 brings us many joys with our kitties!
Karen
 
"If they don't have cats in heaven, I'm not going there." - Phil Masaoka
  

Re: Long post..Tiny and Junior's stories

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

It feels better to tell their stories doesn't it? Your story was nice, and
it sounds like you've opened your heart to compassion often over the years.
Tiny had a good life with you, surrounded with love. You did everything
right, and you shouldn't have any remorse. I do hope time brings you peace.

In time your broken heart will ache less, and only a small tear will well up
in the corner of your eye as you recall all of the GOOD times with Tiny.
Time doesn't really heal, like so many people say, but it does ease the
intense pain one feels so close to a loss. There's a whole process to
grieving, there's the intense pain and suffering, then time smoothes it over
eventually, and there's guilt, because you feel bad that you're NOT still in
such intense pain, because you think you should be; then there's acceptance,
where you realize that it's ok to let go of the suffering, and instead
recall the memories. But they are always with you, forever, and of course,
that's the way we want it.

I'm sorry for your loss Sally.

Phaewryn

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Re: pet-loss chat reminder

[TenHouseCats]

i haven't heard any complaints.

On 12/26/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 sorry about that... perhaps I will stick to email, where there is more
time to re-read and self-edit.

Phaewryn

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Re: How do yall do it?

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

Barbara,

 I think you did the absolute right thing, and SHAME on your mother for even
thinking of throwing guilt around like that. I think it's terrible that
someone who is supposed to love you and support you by default would even
consider being so thoughtless and MEAN to even suggest that you deserve to
be in your situation. I say, keep your chin up, and be proud you turned out
to be such a good person with an example like THAT to look up to! I hope
that your kind and generous heart and loving attitude passes on to your
children and the chain of guilt stops in your shoes in your family line. I
honor you for your choices, and your willpower to take the higher road in
life! Good for you!

  Most people, including my family, think my husband and I are crazy for
taking in strays, especially now this has happened (my own mother now is
implying a sort of, "Serves you right" when I talk to her). But, how  could
we have left those poor 5 month old kittens to die?  They were living in a
storage shed, and they were being cared for by the employees; but some of
them abused the cats. We still think we did the right thing, despite what's
happened.  We do it because we love cats, and have been accused of being too
soft-hearted (I've been called worse things!).  I'd rather err on the side
of kindness, if I had to go to an extreme.

Phaewryn

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Re: Seeking a pal for L'il Abner

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

To be fair, I did not knowingly mix my non-vaccinated negatives with a known
positive. I did not test for many years, and didn't KNOW Moogie was
positive. Regardless, none of the non-vaccinated cats contracted the FELV,
even with mutual grooming happening all the time. That was 18 months of
exposure to FELV to all my non-vaccinated cats, NO transmission. Would I do
it again? Probably not with my newer cats that haven't already been exposed
and thus proven naturally immune. Would I put the same cats that lived with
Moogie in with another FELV+, yes, sure I would, they have proven themselves
long since immune. So, it's not really "bravery" on my part, mixing
non-vaccinated cats with FELV+ cats, more of a result of lack of knowledge
on my part that fortunately worked out in the end.

Phaewryn

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thanks

[Sally]

I am having email problems and I will be lucky if this goes out so I will
thank everyone for the kind thoughts and positive energy. Tiny had a great
life and I am lucky to have been a part of it. I miss all my kitties from
long ago. You never forget. I will try to respond individually when this
Comcast problem is solved.

 

Sincerely

 

Sally, Junior, Speedy, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Grey and White, Daisy,
Lily, Silver, Spike

 

Re: How do yall do it? (BP in cats)

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

does sodium effect BP in cats like it does in humans? does he eat any sodium 
(salt)
in the diet you feed?

Phaewryn

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Re: How do yall do it?

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

nothing wrong with chanting it's kind of like an Affirmation, except
it's accomplished by the nature of rhythm and repetition, as opposed to
focus and meditation. Most cats love to be sung to, and love it when you
sing-song their names into rhymes, so I would think they would really be
happy with chanting.

Phaewryn

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Re: pet-loss chat reminder

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

sorry about that... perhaps I will stick to email, where there is more time
to re-read and self-edit.

Phaewryn

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Re: How do yall do it?

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

Oh, she is beautiful! And she has the same little dainty nose and smaller
eye that my Moogie had. She looks a lot like her, except the coat color!
Just cherish each moment you have, and let tomorrow bring tomorrow, one
moment at a time, and don't stress out about the things you cannot control.
The hardest part of being human are the concepts of time we invented, ever
since we put numbers to the moments of our lives, we've been struggling to
harness control over them. There are some things you just can't control,
time is the biggest one! Life is not math, you can't solve it, it's an
equation with too many variables. Some things are better left unanswered.

Phaewryn

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Re: How do yall do it?

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

I'll be sending thoughts of health and high spirits to Missy for you Kelley.
You just have to know that you are giving her the best life you can provide
while she is with you, and know that SHE KNOWS THAT, and believe that even
if her time is short, the QUALITY is more important than the QUANTITY, and
you and her can reach a understanding that even if she leaves you while you
are not at home, she enjoyed EVERY minute of her life up until that time,
because of the life you offered to her, in your home, and surrounded by your
love! Everyone's time on earth is limited, and we really can't control when
we leave or how long we stay, it's THIS MOMENT we live in, and that is the
time we need to concentrate on and cherish, because we can't control the
future, and we can't change the past. In this very moment, WE have total
control of who we are, and how we feel, and being true to what you believe
in right now is the only way to truly find the inner peace to be able to
continue on as we must do. Animals do this naturally, it's we humans that
have lost the ability to cherish each moment, and it's something we should
strive to regain, because it's the key to true happiness and joy.

Phaewryn

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Long post..Tiny and Junior's stories

[Sally]

Tiny and Junior

 

As I get older my memory gets a bit fuzzy. This is Tiny's and Junior's
story.

 

Summer of 2001 my doorbell rang. This was not a usual occurrence. I opened
the door and there was a neighbor's child holding this tiny precious buff
colored kitten. She told me it was born under her porch and her parents were
threatening to get rid of it. OK she already knew I had cats probably 4 or 5
at that time. So Tiny joined my crew. He was about 5 or 6 weeks old. Not
even weaned. I thought her story about a mother cat just having kittens
under their deck sounded fishy. Actually it was true. I was to wind up with
2 more kittens from this semi wild mom.

 

Tiny (whiny) was always a bit small for a male cat. He weighed 10 pounds in
adulthood. He was smaller than my other male cats. I had him neutered and he
became part of my cat family. He had this thing of making biscuits in my
hair. He also slept on my head. Literally he used me as a pillow.

 

As he grew older he came to love the outdoors and spent more time outside
than inside. He loved to hunt and would eat what he caught.

 

Junior came to us the following year. He is Tiny's half brother. By now the
people have moved away and the house was vacant. I also have their half
sister from another litter that same year. I found homes for Junior's
siblings and kept a female kitten named her Misty. She later was hit by a
car. She came to me in spirit the day after she was killed to say she was
sorry. That was very strange, but very real.

 

For the most part all was well with my cat family. Oh sure they would get
the occasional upper respiratory. Tiny seemed to always have on and off have
a cough. Nothing too severe. I later thought he may have had asthma.maybe
not. Fluffy was the king of this family and I so miss him. I lost him last
February to osteo-sarcoma. We are now in the year 2006. A week later I found
an older cat on Petfinder in a shelter not far from here. My husband went
and got this big old tomcat his name was Lionel. He sprayed the house as
soon as we got him home. He was injured in a fight with a raccoon and the
wound took forever to heal. The same day we got Lionel a coworker gave me
another yellow longhaired kitten named Pumpkin. 

 

In April Junior was hit by a car. I found him hiding on my back deck, He had
a split pallet and a broken jaw. He was tested for FeLV at that time and was
negative. Hr spent a week at the hospital and came home still not eating
much. I took him back for hydration the following Monday.

 

My husband Eric for some reason found another kitten at the same shelter and
brought her home this is Daisy, She was about 8 weeks old. You can never
have too many cats.

 

The time line here may not be quite accurate, but I think the respiratory
infections started in May with Tiny. He coughed so hard he would knock
himself off his feet. I took him to the vet and got antibiotics. Then Lionel
got sick. Also coughing a lot and somewhat violently. Just as one cat was
getting better another was getting sick. It was Junior's turn then Pumpkin's
turn.

 

These 4 cats got sick the other 7 cats did not get sick.

 

I later took Junior back to the vet because he was not feeling well. He was
anemic and was treated for hemabartenella. Then Pumpkin started acting
lethargic. Too many cats sick. I did not realize Pumpkin wasn't really
eating, just pretending to eat. By the time Pumpkin was taken in to my old
vet he was anemic and jaundiced. He was sent home with antibiotics, but
taken back after the weekend. He was put on IV and baytril He had seizures
and was not responsive I had him euthanized. I am dealing with two
veterinarians, because my regular vet was not available when Junior was hot
by the car. OK I now know something is wrong. So I take Junior back to his
vet. He was running a temp of 106.5. he did not even look sick! They kept
him for the day. He was still anemic and they wanted to test him for FeLV. I
knew then what the answer might be. After he tested positive for FeLV. I had
to get all the cats tested and vaccinated. This whole thing was a nightmare.
Lionel was in the first group and was positive for Felv and FIV. I suspect
he had the FIV when I adopted him and caught FeLV later. I had him
euthanized as he was not doing well. 

 

Tiny was in the next group tested. He too was positive. He and Junior were
isolated together. They do not like each other so this was interesting. Tiny
seemed to be the healthier of the two. No symptoms after the initial URI.
They both went on immunoregulin. Junior got another URI and uveitis. I hope
for the best. Junior finally got better from his URI. Now Tiny had a slight
respiratory infection, but still playful and was eating up until his last
day.

 

Christmas day, I spent doing nothing. I decided Tiny was not feeling well so
we sat on the sofa and I changed channels on the TV. He normally doesn't sit
with me but I saw something in his eyes. I now know he was saying goodbye. I
stayed wi

Re: loose stools (Ember)

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

Maybe an electrolyte imbalance of some kind? Just a thought, I really don't 
know. My
first thought was stress, but if you are sure it's not stress, I don't know.

Phaewryn

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RE: Bandy is an angel now

[Gary Murphy]

Oh Kerry, I am sorry.  In my short time on this list I have been so impressed 
and touched by the lengths you have gone to to care for your dear old friend.  
The attention to his needs and the quality of care you provided for him has 
been such an inspiration.  In the future, if I feel overwhelmed by the health 
challenges of my group as they age, I will think of you and Bandy and know that 
I must try to find something like the same strength to help my dears.

Hugs to you and Inky,
Beth

   
Original Message:
Bandy passed away around 4pm TX. time at home with me..This as you all know is 
so hard to write, but I wanted you to know..You all have been so good to us the 
past year and a half.
I will write more when I can..
Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky
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Re: How do yall do it?

[Marylyn]

I have an alternative vet that sees my critters depending on their needs.  
Dixie tested FeLV+ which means, for me, that I enjoy every day with her and go 
a little overboard on watching for signs of problems in order to catch anything 
early.  I have used my alternative vet with four critters and was sent to her 
by my regular vets.  You might check into this.  Again, we start dying the 
minute we are born.  She will live until she dies just as you and I will.  I 
really know the pain you are in.  I've gone thru it several times.  And with 
the most wonderful critters God ever put on this earth.  Do a Google search for 
"Calling All Angels."  This song helped me more than I can tell you. 






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 1:44 PM
  Subject: Re: How do yall do it?


  Hi Belinda,

  She is not on any prescribed meds yet.  I have her on a lot of supplements 
including CoQ10, l-lysine, l-carnitine, and a multivitamin, on the 
recommendations of the kitty heart list.  Her immune system is not strong, 
though probably not as weak as an FELV kitty.  She also gets ill with uri every 
time I go out of town.  She doesn't like being separated from me, even though 
she adores the pet sitter.  

  I wasn't really happy with the recommendations of the internist (basically 
wait and see if it gets worse) so I am taking her to the cardiologist this 
time.   I am told she may have me chant over her and things.  I will  chant all 
day if it makes her better.  I just am not really happy with forking over $380 
and being told to go home and see if it gets worse and wait to see if she will 
live or die. 

   
  On 12/26/06, Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  She's adorable.  Is she on any meds for her condition?

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RE: Seeking a pal for L'il Abner

[masaoka]

I guess we have to wait till more proof comes in on the vaccine.
 
We have decided to go with a 4-yr-old FELV+ male who, I think, has a better
chance at living for longer than a year.  A common belief seems to be that
kittens and younger ones will only live 2-3 years.  Hopefully he contracted
it as an adult, & can fend off the disease for a longer time.

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 3:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Seeking a pal for L'il Abner


i just think that if there were any cases where a cat was KNOWN to be
negative, from both snap and IFA tests, and then became positive from living
with a positive, we would have heard about it by now. i know that i
definitely went into this whole thing believing in the only-85%-efficacy
rate of the vaccine, and would never have considered mixing positives and
negatives. i think i was LOOKING for documented proof, actually, and have
been surprised that after all these years no one's been able to point out a
case to me. 

but i agree that it's everyone's individual choice. if i could afford to
vaccinate everyone, and had the room, i would probably be willing to have a
FeLV with my others, but i am decidedly NOT brave enough to do what many
others have chosen to do, which is to have unvaccinated negatives with
definite positives. there's just not enough research out there in terms of
what other predisposing factors might make a cat more susceptible to
retaining the virus... 

it really does get confusing, doesn't it? back when brownee had just died
from leukemia and we were waiting to retest all the rest of the cats in the
house, i was just about to take in a kitty with paralyzed rear legs. i of
course immediately called the woman who had him, to tell her i couldn't take
him because of the possibility of there being FeLV in the house. she was a
vet, and she told me i had nothing to worry about, that she'd give pee-wee
his full series of shots before she brought him to me and i'd have nothing
to worry about even if others in the house had it i still thought you
could get FeLV by having an outdoor cat breathe through a screen door at one
of the house cats, so this was absolute heresy to me at the time you
have to wonder--she was fairly young, and a professor at the local vet
school so still tuned into current research and developments--how much newer
information is out there that just doesn't make it to our neighborhood vets'
offices? how come someone on this list can spend an afternoon and come up
with figures on the reliability of snap tests, but vets and shelters don't
seem to know the statistics? sigh. 


On 12/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 


ok, so it may be hard to definitively prove that a negative cat, after being
vaccinated, became positive. But it can't be proved they haven't, either, so
if someone wants to be safe and not mix I would not discourage that. I don't
criticize anyone for mixing who does, but I also don't think anyone should
be trying to convince someone who is hesitant that there is no way the
negative can turn positive from exposure. You just don't know that, and
there are some cases that indicate, potentially if not definitively, that
they can.  
Michelle

 
In a message dated 12/26/2006 2:46:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ah, but the issue is, "truly negative"--not only are snap tests not that
reliable even when done correctly (which isn't always the case at shelters),
but unless one knows for sure that any given cat couldn't possibly have been
in contact with a positive cat for at least 90 days before a test, you can't
really know that a negative test is accurate anyway. that's why retesting is
so vital. 

shelters around here, until recently, only used the old-style saliva tests,
which are incredibly unreliable--we brought an absolute sweetheart of a
tortie into the house from there, and tho she'd tested negative (and had 4
supposedly healthy kittens, and nursed another 4 orphans), she ended up
being diagnosed positive when she became very ill at about 18 months, and
went to the bridge soon afterwards. in the household with her had been two
kittens who'd only been about 3-months-old when they joined the household,
as well as a couple of quite elderly cats--both high-risk populations, and
none of the others in the household ever tested positive, luckily! (the
3-month-olds are now going on seven) 

the need for retesting was just not clearly enough understood, nor was the
great variability in accuracy in snap tests (i think susan h found research
showing a range of errors from 20-80%!). i know of two sanctuaries that
never retested their "positives," who have since begun doing so, and have
discovered that a fair number of their older cats who have lived exclusively
with FeLVs, often those with active disease, and who have had their own
bouts of serious illnesses thought to 

Re: How do yall do it?

[Marylyn]

You did exactly right, no matter how things turn out.  You acted with your 
heart.   Your friends and family should be proud of you for being a caring 
person and support you.  Take what measures you can to protect your guys--all 9 
of them.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Barbara Oberst 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 4:34 PM
  Subject: Re: How do yall do it?


  I have 5 of my own cats, plus 4 strays we're fostering.  In October, 1 of the 
fosters tested a faint positive for FeLv.  The others tested negative; I just 
had them retested last week; now 2 more are a faint positive, too.  The scary 
thing is, we were told (not by a vet) that the adoption agency doesn't normally 
retest negative cats, and those that tested negative could live with my other 
cats--now I'm worried all of my cats will get it, as some of my own cats were 
not current on the FeLv vaccine, as they've been exposed to them for over 2 
months.

  Most people, including my family, think my husband and I are crazy for taking 
in strays, especially now this has happened (my own mother now is implying a 
sort of, "Serves you right" when I talk to her). But, how  could we have left 
those poor 5 month old kittens to die?  They were living in a storage shed, and 
they were being cared for by the employees; but some of them abused the cats. 
We still think we did the right thing, despite what's happened.  We do it 
because we love cats, and have been accused of being too soft-hearted (I've 
been called worse things!).  I'd rather err on the side of kindness, if I had 
to go to an extreme.

  "Dianne K Perry, Ph.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thank you for this.  It reminded me of the day  Asia was diagnosed with 
FELV, even before the Lymphoma I was down in the dumps and wondering why 
this again in my life(last year was horrible with the loss of 4 pets and a 
husband and a couple rescue dogs)

anyway, it came to me that Asia picked me ...she did, there was no doubt 
about it when it happened last Dec. I knew, her foster parents knew, we talked 
about it.

It came to me loud and clear that God had her pick me because I would take 
care of her to the very best of my ability and would not give up easily.  

Dianne
  - Original Message - 
  From: TenHouseCats 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 2:09 PM
  Subject: Re: How do yall do it?


  the short answer?

  we do it because we can. we might not always THINK that we can, but 
clearly the creative force of the universe, by whatever name you choose to call 
it, believes that we can.

  these critters always manage to find us, no matter what we do. i have 
come to believe that, in order to complete their journeys, they come to us 
because there is something they need that only we can give them. and that there 
is something that we need to learn that only they can teach us. it never gets 
easier to deal with the difficulties of special-needs cats, but after the first 
few times they appear in our lives, i think we start to realize that we ARE 
supposed to be doing this work, and that it's not just some bad cosmic joke 

  everyone does what they can. some of us can work with the elderly, the 
sick or dying; some can foster; some can give great amounts of time or money 
but are unable to physically take in additional animals. there are so many ways 
to help, and each path is valid... 





  On 12/26/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Hi guys,

I don't have an FELV+ that I know of, but I do have a kitty with VSM 
(ventricular septal defect) - a heart condition.  She could die at any time, or 
she could live for quite a while.  (If you could add her to the prayer list, 
that would be great).  Her name is Missy, and I love her more than anything in 
the world. 

She had an echocardiogram and was diagnosed with VSM this summer.  I 
think I have cried every day since.  Before she had the echo I thought she 
would be dead every day when I got home.  Now I'm sure she will be.  Nice as 
the heart list people are, I can't really read that list; it is too close to 
home.  I can barely read this one, and I cry a lot here too. 

How do yall stand it?  I don't think I am strong enough.

Kelley

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Re: loose stools (Ember)

[Lance]

a lot of things can cause loose stool, but hair balls are probably  
not one   of them. they tend to cause constipation.


I've only found a few references to diarrhea accompanying hairballs,  
but one of the places was the Anitra Frazier book. I would think she  
would be over it by now, if it was related to the hairball.


are you sure she has hair balls? cats with ibd (inflammatory bowel   
disease),  which my Lucy has, can vomit in a way that looks like  
they are hacking  up  hair balls, and can also have loose stool on  
and off.


Yeah, it was definitely a nasty hairball. I've been trying to brush  
her more. How were you finally able to come to conclusion that Lucy  
has IBD? I've been reading about it, and it seems like it takes lots  
of trial and error.


The best thing  for that  seems to be home-made diets, and most of  
all to be consistent and stick  to  one food.  the most digestible  
of the store-bought foods for ibd seems  to be  Innova EVO, which  
has no grains, as grains seem to irritate ibd in cats.  you  might  
want to try that, and not change or add any foods for a while--
switching  back and forth is the worst.


Ember is on Innova EVO canned and dry, fortunately. I'm thinking  
about pulling back on the dry a bit. I just hate to take away food  
when she will eat it. She still has her appetite, and while I can't  
tell yet if it's normal, she certainly went up to the bowl of EVO  
canned tonight and attacked it like usual.


I spoke to my new vet about this (my old vet retired two days after  
Ember's appointment last week, and my new vet is in the clinic he  
started). She wants me to give Ember a few doses of Centrine (one  
every twelve hours). I'm not a fan of that kind of medicine. We might  
be able to get an endoscopy in town if it comes to that, but my vet  
recommended going to a specialist in a city two hours away for that,  
as she feels they see more unusual cases and would know what they're  
seeing.


Something needs to be done, as when I got home from work today, I  
found a messy, unformed poop in the box, and some pancake batter in  
the sink. I'm just glad that she's eating and playing normally.



Lance

Re: How do yall do it?

[TenHouseCats]

most shelters and rescues don't even retest POSITIVE cats to make sure
they're really positive, because of both expense and not having a place to
keep them until they can be retested.

and people don't stop to think that just because someone tests negative
today, it doesn't mean they weren't exposed yesterday-or in the
up-to-120-days before that that it can to show up on a test. the good news,
tho, is that an adult healthy cat can be exposed, and 70% will throw off the
virus. again, it can take up to 120 days for the virus to clear the system,
so retesting earlier just makes you crazy. in some cases, IFA tests have
remained positive for up to 8 months before going negative.

and, of course, with vaccinated cats, they don't really know how long the
protection lasts--with most of them, titres show it's much longer than the
official one year, so if you aren't opposed to vaccinating,  you could give
your others their boosters and greatly lessen any chances they have of
catching it.

On 12/26/06, Barbara Oberst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have 5 of my own cats, plus 4 strays we're fostering.  In October, 1 of
the fosters tested a faint positive for FeLv.  The others tested negative; I
just had them retested last week; now 2 more are a faint positive, too.  The
scary thing is, we were told (not by a vet) that the adoption agency doesn't
normally retest negative cats, and those that tested negative could live
with my other cats--now I'm worried all of my cats will get it, as some of
my own cats were not current on the FeLv vaccine, as they've been exposed to
them for over 2 months.

Most people, including my family, think my husband and I are crazy for
taking in strays, especially now this has happened (my own mother now is
implying a sort of, "Serves you right" when I talk to her). But, how  could
we have left those poor 5 month old kittens to die?  They were living in a
storage shed, and they were being cared for by the employees; but some of
them abused the cats. We still think we did the right thing, despite what's
happened.  We do it because we love cats, and have been accused of being too
soft-hearted (I've been called worse things!).  I'd rather err on the side
of kindness, if I had to go to an extreme.

*"Dianne K Perry, Ph.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

Thank you for this.  It reminded me of the day  Asia was diagnosed with
FELV, even before the Lymphoma I was down in the dumps and wondering why
this again in my life(last year was horrible with the loss of 4 pets and
a husband and a couple rescue dogs)

anyway, it came to me that Asia picked me ...she did, there was no doubt
about it when it happened last Dec. I knew, her foster parents knew, we
talked about it.

It came to me loud and clear that God had her pick me because I would take
care of her to the very best of my ability and would not give up easily.

Dianne

- Original Message -
*From:* TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2006 2:09 PM
*Subject:* Re: How do yall do it?

the short answer?

we do it because we can. we might not always THINK that we can, but
clearly the creative force of the universe, by whatever name you choose to
call it, believes that we can.

these critters always manage to find us, no matter what we do. i have come
to believe that, in order to complete their journeys, they come to us
because there is something they need that only we can give them. and that
there is something that we need to learn that only they can teach us. it
never gets easier to deal with the difficulties of special-needs cats, but
after the first few times they appear in our lives, i think we start to
realize that we ARE supposed to be doing this work, and that it's not just
some bad cosmic joke

everyone does what they can. some of us can work with the elderly, the
sick or dying; some can foster; some can give great amounts of time or money
but are unable to physically take in additional animals. there are so many
ways to help, and each path is valid...




On 12/26/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I don't have an FELV+ that I know of, but I do have a kitty with VSM
> (ventricular septal defect) - a heart condition.  She could die at any time,
> or she could live for quite a while.  (If you could add her to the prayer
> list, that would be great).  Her name is Missy, and I love her more than
> anything in the world.
>
> She had an echocardiogram and was diagnosed with VSM this summer.  I
> think I have cried every day since.  Before she had the echo I thought she
> would be dead every day when I got home.  Now I'm sure she will be.  Nice as
> the heart list people are, I can't really read that list; it is too close to
> home.  I can barely read this one, and I cry a lot here too.
>
> How do yall stand it?  I don't think I am strong enough.
>
> Kelley
>
> --
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>

Re: How do yall do it?

[Barbara Oberst]

I have 5 of my own cats, plus 4 strays we're fostering.  In October, 1 of the 
fosters tested a faint positive for FeLv.  The others tested negative; I just 
had them retested last week; now 2 more are a faint positive, too.  The scary 
thing is, we were told (not by a vet) that the adoption agency doesn't normally 
retest negative cats, and those that tested negative could live with my other 
cats--now I'm worried all of my cats will get it, as some of my own cats were 
not current on the FeLv vaccine, as they've been exposed to them for over 2 
months.
   
  Most people, including my family, think my husband and I are crazy for taking 
in strays, especially now this has happened (my own mother now is implying a 
sort of, "Serves you right" when I talk to her). But, how  could we have left 
those poor 5 month old kittens to die?  They were living in a storage shed, and 
they were being cared for by the employees; but some of them abused the cats. 
We still think we did the right thing, despite what's happened.  We do it 
because we love cats, and have been accused of being too soft-hearted (I've 
been called worse things!).  I'd rather err on the side of kindness, if I had 
to go to an extreme.

"Dianne K Perry, Ph.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Thank you for this.  It reminded me of the day  Asia was diagnosed 
with FELV, even before the Lymphoma I was down in the dumps and wondering 
why this again in my life(last year was horrible with the loss of 4 pets 
and a husband and a couple rescue dogs)
   
  anyway, it came to me that Asia picked me ...she did, there was no doubt 
about it when it happened last Dec. I knew, her foster parents knew, we talked 
about it.
   
  It came to me loud and clear that God had her pick me because I would take 
care of her to the very best of my ability and would not give up easily.  
   
  Dianne
- Original Message - 
  From: TenHouseCats 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 2:09 PM
  Subject: Re: How do yall do it?
  

the short answer?

we do it because we can. we might not always THINK that we can, but clearly the 
creative force of the universe, by whatever name you choose to call it, 
believes that we can.

these critters always manage to find us, no matter what we do. i have come to 
believe that, in order to complete their journeys, they come to us because 
there is something they need that only we can give them. and that there is 
something that we need to learn that only they can teach us. it never gets 
easier to deal with the difficulties of special-needs cats, but after the first 
few times they appear in our lives, i think we start to realize that we ARE 
supposed to be doing this work, and that it's not just some bad cosmic joke 

everyone does what they can. some of us can work with the elderly, the sick or 
dying; some can foster; some can give great amounts of time or money but are 
unable to physically take in additional animals. there are so many ways to 
help, and each path is valid... 




  On 12/26/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi guys,
   
  I don't have an FELV+ that I know of, but I do have a kitty with VSM 
(ventricular septal defect) - a heart condition.  She could die at any time, or 
she could live for quite a while.  (If you could add her to the prayer list, 
that would be great).  Her name is Missy, and I love her more than anything in 
the world. 
   
  She had an echocardiogram and was diagnosed with VSM this summer.  I think I 
have cried every day since.  Before she had the echo I thought she would be 
dead every day when I got home.  Now I'm sure she will be.  Nice as the heart 
list people are, I can't really read that list; it is too close to home.  I can 
barely read this one, and I cry a lot here too. 
   
  How do yall stand it?  I don't think I am strong enough.
   
  Kelley

-- 
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http://www.rescuties.org 

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 




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Re: Seeking a pal for L'il Abner

[TenHouseCats]

i just think that if there were any cases where a cat was KNOWN to be
negative, from both snap and IFA tests, and then became positive from living
with a positive, we would have heard about it by now. i know that i
definitely went into this whole thing believing in the only-85%-efficacy
rate of the vaccine, and would never have considered mixing positives and
negatives. i think i was LOOKING for documented proof, actually, and have
been surprised that after all these years no one's been able to point out a
case to me.

but i agree that it's everyone's individual choice. if i could afford to
vaccinate everyone, and had the room, i would probably be willing to have a
FeLV with my others, but i am decidedly NOT brave enough to do what many
others have chosen to do, which is to have unvaccinated negatives with
definite positives. there's just not enough research out there in terms of
what other predisposing factors might make a cat more susceptible to
retaining the virus...

it really does get confusing, doesn't it? back when brownee had just died
from leukemia and we were waiting to retest all the rest of the cats in the
house, i was just about to take in a kitty with paralyzed rear legs. i of
course immediately called the woman who had him, to tell her i couldn't take
him because of the possibility of there being FeLV in the house. she was a
vet, and she told me i had nothing to worry about, that she'd give pee-wee
his full series of shots before she brought him to me and i'd have nothing
to worry about even if others in the house had it i still thought you
could get FeLV by having an outdoor cat breathe through a screen door at one
of the house cats, so this was absolute heresy to me at the time you
have to wonder--she was fairly young, and a professor at the local vet
school so still tuned into current research and developments--how much newer
information is out there that just doesn't make it to our neighborhood vets'
offices? how come someone on this list can spend an afternoon and come up
with figures on the reliability of snap tests, but vets and shelters don't
seem to know the statistics? sigh.

On 12/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 ok, so it may be hard to definitively prove that a negative cat, after
being vaccinated, became positive. But it can't be proved they haven't,
either, so if someone wants to be safe and not mix I would not discourage
that. I don't criticize anyone for mixing who does, but I also don't think
anyone should be trying to convince someone who is hesitant that there is no
way the negative can turn positive from exposure. You just don't know that,
and there are some cases that indicate, potentially if not definitively,
that they can.
Michelle

In a message dated 12/26/2006 2:46:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ah, but the issue is, "truly negative"--not only are snap tests not that
reliable even when done correctly (which isn't always the case at shelters),
but unless one knows for sure that any given cat couldn't possibly have been
in contact with a positive cat for at least 90 days before a test, you can't
really know that a negative test is accurate anyway. that's why retesting is
so vital.

shelters around here, until recently, only used the old-style saliva
tests, which are incredibly unreliable--we brought an absolute sweetheart of
a tortie into the house from there, and tho she'd tested negative (and had 4
supposedly healthy kittens, and nursed another 4 orphans), she ended up
being diagnosed positive when she became very ill at about 18 months, and
went to the bridge soon afterwards. in the household with her had been two
kittens who'd only been about 3-months-old when they joined the household,
as well as a couple of quite elderly cats--both high-risk populations, and
none of the others in the household ever tested positive, luckily! (the
3-month-olds are now going on seven)

the need for retesting was just not clearly enough understood, nor was the
great variability in accuracy in snap tests (i think susan h found research
showing a range of errors from 20-80%!). i know of two sanctuaries that
never retested their "positives," who have since begun doing so, and have
discovered that a fair number of their older cats who have lived exclusively
with FeLVs, often those with active disease, and who have had their own
bouts of serious illnesses thought to be FeLV-related, who actually were
found to be negative on the IFA, even after years of constant exposure







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Re: How do yall do it?

[Belinda]

  Sounds like you have her on some good supplements.

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Re: How do yall do it?

[Belinda]

  I think a cardiologist is a good idea.  Joey has HCM and gets an echo 
every year now, was every 6 to9 months but he is stable so we get to 
wait a year.  He is on benazepril for it an it seems to be keeping 
things OK.  He does have high BP which my vet doesn't want to treat yet 
but I am going to talk to her again about since it's obvious the 
benazepril it's doing anything for that.


Just got back from Fred's blood work appointment and was shocked and 
scared to learn his BP is extremely high at 284, we are going to wait 
and see what his kidney's look like with tomorrows blood work results 
and then see what kind and what dose of blood pressure meds we can put 
him on, they all seem to be hard on the kidney's.  He hasn't been eating 
good but the feeding tube is out for now until we get the BP under 
control, she said that may be causing the inappetence too.


Sure hope your furbaby is healthy for a long, long time!!

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Re: How do yall do it?-- Asia

[Dianne K Perry, Ph.D.]

No we don't use adriamycin, but I will remember it in case we need to add 
it.

She is such a loving kittyincredible little one...
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 3:19 PM
  Subject: Re: How do yall do it?-- Asia


  CCNU is another "rescue" drug like elspar that can help cats who have come 
out of remission. I think that it puts smething like 50% of cats with lymphoma 
back into remission after they have come out of it.

  Also, I don't remember, but I don't think your vet's protocol includes 
adriamycin, another strong chemo drug that wipes out a lot of lymphoma. another 
drug to ask about if the tumor is back again.

  hoping she stays feeling good,
  Michelle

  In a message dated 12/26/2006 3:17:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
The vet said the tumor was gone 2 weeks ago, then last week said it was 
back and added the Elspar.  Asia is breathing easily, moving around quite a bit 
and lapping up all the loving she can get.  She is not as active as she was 
before getting sick, but she is much better than Thanksgiving week.  I think 
she is not gaining weight as she should but will see on Friday when we go back 
to vet

thanks for asking
Dianne

Re: How do yall do it?-- Asia

[Lernermichelle]

 
CCNU is another "rescue" drug like elspar that can help cats who have come  
out of remission. I think that it puts smething like 50% of cats with lymphoma  
back into remission after they have come out of it.
 
Also, I don't remember, but I don't think your vet's protocol includes  
adriamycin, another strong chemo drug that wipes out a lot of lymphoma. another 
 
drug to ask about if the tumor is back again.
 
hoping she stays feeling good,
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/26/2006 3:17:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The vet said the tumor was gone 2 weeks ago, then last week said it was  back 
and added the Elspar.  Asia is breathing easily, moving around quite  a bit 
and lapping up all the loving she can get.  She is not as active as  she was 
before getting sick, but she is much better than Thanksgiving  week.  I think 
she is not gaining weight as she should but will see on  Friday when we go back 
to vet
 
thanks for asking
Dianne



 

Re: How do yall do it?-- Asia

[Dianne K Perry, Ph.D.]

The vet said the tumor was gone 2 weeks ago, then last week said it was back 
and added the Elspar.  Asia is breathing easily, moving around quite a bit and 
lapping up all the loving she can get.  She is not as active as she was before 
getting sick, but she is much better than Thanksgiving week.  I think she is 
not gaining weight as she should but will see on Friday when we go back to 
vet

thanks for asking
Dianne
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 3:01 PM
  Subject: Re: How do yall do it?-- Asia


  Dianne,
How is Asia doing?

  Michelle

  In a message dated 12/26/2006 3:00:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
Thank you for this.  It reminded me of the day  Asia was diagnosed with 
FELV, even before the Lymphoma I was down in the dumps and wondering why 
this again in my life(last year was horrible with the loss of 4 pets and a 
husband and a couple rescue dogs)

anyway, it came to me that Asia picked me ...she did, there was no doubt 
about it when it happened last Dec. I knew, her foster parents knew, we talked 
about it.

It came to me loud and clear that God had her pick me because I would take 
care of her to the very best of my ability and would not give up easily.  

Dianne

Re: How do yall do it?

[Kelley Saveika]

Yes, it is repairable in people, and dogs, but not cats:(  Apparently there
aren't heart lung machines small enough...I talked to my brother who is an
MD and he said if they were able to do the surgery to repair it they would
probably have to do it under a microscope.  It may eventually turn into DCM
or HCM, or it may not.

One of the things I am going to do with my rescue is start a fund to rescue
cats with heart disease and possibly make grants to people studying feline
heart disease.


On 12/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 oh, i did not catch the problem. I have never heard of that problem.  It
sounds like you are doing everything you can.
michelle

In a message dated 12/26/2006 2:53:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Yes, the internist didn't feel it was bad enough for meds, or that there
were any meds to put her on at this point.  She is asymptomatic except for
having a hole in her heart.  She has been checked for fluid build up and has
none.  My regular vet has instructed me to bring her in immediately at any
sign of panting, so I check her about every 3 minutes to see if she is
panting.







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Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Re: How do yall do it?-- Asia

[Lernermichelle]

 
Dianne,
  How is Asia doing?
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/26/2006 3:00:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Thank you for this.  It reminded me of the  day  Asia was diagnosed with 
FELV, even before the Lymphoma I was  down in the dumps and wondering why 
this 
again in my life(last year was  horrible with the loss of 4 pets and a 
husband and a couple rescue  dogs)
 
anyway, it came to me that Asia picked me ...she  did, there was no doubt 
about it when it happened last Dec. I knew, her foster  parents knew, we talked 
about it.
 
It came to me loud and clear that God had her  pick me because I would take 
care of her to the very best of my ability and  would not give up easily.  
 
Dianne



 

Re: How do yall do it?

[Dianne K Perry, Ph.D.]

Thank you for this.  It reminded me of the day  Asia was diagnosed with FELV, 
even before the Lymphoma I was down in the dumps and wondering why this 
again in my life(last year was horrible with the loss of 4 pets and a 
husband and a couple rescue dogs)

anyway, it came to me that Asia picked me ...she did, there was no doubt about 
it when it happened last Dec. I knew, her foster parents knew, we talked about 
it.

It came to me loud and clear that God had her pick me because I would take care 
of her to the very best of my ability and would not give up easily.  

Dianne
  - Original Message - 
  From: TenHouseCats 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 2:09 PM
  Subject: Re: How do yall do it?


  the short answer?

  we do it because we can. we might not always THINK that we can, but clearly 
the creative force of the universe, by whatever name you choose to call it, 
believes that we can.

  these critters always manage to find us, no matter what we do. i have come to 
believe that, in order to complete their journeys, they come to us because 
there is something they need that only we can give them. and that there is 
something that we need to learn that only they can teach us. it never gets 
easier to deal with the difficulties of special-needs cats, but after the first 
few times they appear in our lives, i think we start to realize that we ARE 
supposed to be doing this work, and that it's not just some bad cosmic joke 

  everyone does what they can. some of us can work with the elderly, the sick 
or dying; some can foster; some can give great amounts of time or money but are 
unable to physically take in additional animals. there are so many ways to 
help, and each path is valid... 





  On 12/26/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi guys,

I don't have an FELV+ that I know of, but I do have a kitty with VSM 
(ventricular septal defect) - a heart condition.  She could die at any time, or 
she could live for quite a while.  (If you could add her to the prayer list, 
that would be great).  Her name is Missy, and I love her more than anything in 
the world. 

She had an echocardiogram and was diagnosed with VSM this summer.  I think 
I have cried every day since.  Before she had the echo I thought she would be 
dead every day when I got home.  Now I'm sure she will be.  Nice as the heart 
list people are, I can't really read that list; it is too close to home.  I can 
barely read this one, and I cry a lot here too. 

How do yall stand it?  I don't think I am strong enough.

Kelley

-- 
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Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

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  Maybe That'll Make The Difference

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  MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: How do yall do it?

[Lernermichelle]

 
oh, i did not catch the problem. I have never heard of that problem.   It 
sounds like you are doing everything you can.  
michelle
 
In a message dated 12/26/2006 2:53:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Yes, the  internist didn't feel it was bad enough for meds, or that there 
were any meds  to put her on at this point.  She is asymptomatic except for 
having a  hole in her heart.  She has been checked for fluid build up and has  
none.  My regular vet has instructed me to bring her in immediately at  any 
sign 
of panting, so I check her about every 3 minutes to see if she is  panting. 


 

Re: How do yall do it?

[Kelley Saveika]

Yes, the internist didn't feel it was bad enough for meds, or that there
were any meds to put her on at this point.  She is asymptomatic except for
having a hole in her heart.  She has been checked for fluid build up and has
none.  My regular vet has instructed me to bring her in immediately at any
sign of panting, so I check her about every 3 minutes to see if she is
panting.

She could throw a clot at any time, but really so could any other cat...I
keep reminding myself.


On 12/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 There are meds for cats with heart conditions. My Snowball was on them.
They do not necessarily save them, but I think they can extend life in some
cases, and certain drugs like lasix can make them more comfortable if they
get fluid build-up.
Michelle

In a message dated 12/26/2006 2:45:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I wasn't really happy with the recommendations of the internist (basically
wait and see if it gets worse) so I am taking her to the cardiologist this
time.   I am told she may have me chant over her and things.  I will  chant
all day if it makes her better.  I just am not really happy with forking
over $380 and being told to go home and see if it gets worse and wait to see
if she will live or die.







--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Re: How do yall do it?

[Lernermichelle]

 
There are meds for cats with heart conditions. My Snowball was on them.  They 
do not necessarily save them, but I think they can extend life in some  
cases, and certain drugs like lasix can make them more comfortable if they get  
fluid build-up.
Michelle

In a message dated 12/26/2006 2:45:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I wasn't  really happy with the recommendations of the internist (basically 
wait and see  if it gets worse) so I am taking her to the cardiologist this  
time.   I am told she may have me chant over her and things.  I  will  chant 
all 
day if it makes her better.  I just am not really  happy with forking over 
$380 and being told to go home and see if it gets  worse and wait to see if she 
will live or die. 


 

Re: Seeking a pal for L'il Abner

[Lernermichelle]

 
ok, so it may be hard to definitively prove that a negative cat, after  being 
vaccinated, became positive. But it can't be proved they haven't, either,  so 
if someone wants to be safe and not mix I would not discourage that. I don't  
criticize anyone for mixing who does, but I also don't think anyone should  
be trying to convince someone who is hesitant that there is no way the negative 
 can turn positive from exposure. You just don't know that, and there are 
some  cases that indicate, potentially if not definitively, that they can.  
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/26/2006 2:46:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ah, but  the issue is, "truly negative"--not only are snap tests not that 
reliable even  when done correctly (which isn't always the case at shelters), 
but 
unless one  knows for sure that any given cat couldn't possibly have been in 
contact with  a positive cat for at least 90 days before a test, you can't 
really know that  a negative test is accurate anyway. that's why retesting is 
so 
vital.  

shelters around here, until recently, only used the old-style saliva  tests, 
which are incredibly unreliable--we brought an absolute sweetheart of a  
tortie into the house from there, and tho she'd tested negative (and had 4  
supposedly healthy kittens, and nursed another 4 orphans), she ended up being  
diagnosed positive when she became very ill at about 18 months, and went to  
the 
bridge soon afterwards. in the household with her had been two kittens  who'd 
only been about 3-months-old when they joined the household, as well as  a 
couple 
of quite elderly cats--both high-risk populations, and none of the  others in 
the household ever tested positive, luckily! (the 3-month-olds are  now going 
on seven) 

the need for retesting was just not clearly  enough understood, nor was the 
great variability in accuracy in snap tests (i  think susan h found research 
showing a range of errors from 20-80%!). i know  of two sanctuaries that never 
retested their "positives," who have since begun  doing so, and have discovered 
that a fair number of their older cats who have  lived exclusively with 
FeLVs, often those with active disease, and who have  had their own bouts of 
serious illnesses thought to be FeLV-related, who  actually were found to be 
negative on the IFA, even after years of constant  exposure  


 

Re: Seeking a pal for L'il Abner

[TenHouseCats]

ah, but the issue is, "truly negative"--not only are snap tests not that
reliable even when done correctly (which isn't always the case at shelters),
but unless one knows for sure that any given cat couldn't possibly have been
in contact with a positive cat for at least 90 days before a test, you can't
really know that a negative test is accurate anyway. that's why retesting is
so vital.

shelters around here, until recently, only used the old-style saliva tests,
which are incredibly unreliable--we brought an absolute sweetheart of a
tortie into the house from there, and tho she'd tested negative (and had 4
supposedly healthy kittens, and nursed another 4 orphans), she ended up
being diagnosed positive when she became very ill at about 18 months, and
went to the bridge soon afterwards. in the household with her had been two
kittens who'd only been about 3-months-old when they joined the household,
as well as a couple of quite elderly cats--both high-risk populations, and
none of the others in the household ever tested positive, luckily! (the
3-month-olds are now going on seven)

the need for retesting was just not clearly enough understood, nor was the
great variability in accuracy in snap tests (i think susan h found research
showing a range of errors from 20-80%!). i know of two sanctuaries that
never retested their "positives," who have since begun doing so, and have
discovered that a fair number of their older cats who have lived exclusively
with FeLVs, often those with active disease, and who have had their own
bouts of serious illnesses thought to be FeLV-related, who actually were
found to be negative on the IFA, even after years of constant exposure

On 12/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 actually, I think someone on this list had one who was vaccinated but
turned positive. And I am pretty sure that the shelter where my cats came
from, at which some of the positives live with negative ferals who are
vaccinated, a few of the ferals have turned positive over the years.
Michelle

In a message dated 12/26/2006 2:27:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

while the vaccine is said to be only 85% effective, no one that we can
find can show a documented case of a truly negative, vaccinated cat ever
contracting FeLV from living closely with a positive. which makes sense,
since they say that up to 70% of healthy ADULT cats who are not vaccinated
can be exposed and throw the virus off. so some of us question that 85%
rate, and wonder if it's not across all populations, including the high-risk
ones.







--
Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: How do yall do it?

[Kelley Saveika]

Hi Belinda,

She is not on any prescribed meds yet.  I have her on a lot of supplements
including CoQ10, l-lysine, l-carnitine, and a multivitamin, on the
recommendations of the kitty heart list.  Her immune system is not strong,
though probably not as weak as an FELV kitty.  She also gets ill with
uri every time I go out of town.  She doesn't like being separated from me,
even though she adores the pet sitter.

I wasn't really happy with the recommendations of the internist (basically
wait and see if it gets worse) so I am taking her to the cardiologist this
time.   I am told she may have me chant over her and things.  I will  chant
all day if it makes her better.  I just am not really happy with forking
over $380 and being told to go home and see if it gets worse and wait to see
if she will live or die.


On 12/26/06, Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  She's adorable.  Is she on any meds for her condition?

--

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties
http://bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com

FeLV Candlelight Service
http://bemikitties.com/cls

HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design]
http://HostDesign4U.com



BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]
http://bmk.bemikitties.com






--
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http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Re: How do yall do it?

[Marylyn]

You are strong enough.  Just live in today.  No one knows what tomorrow will 
bring.  We all start dying the minute we are born.  It is a journey.  A painful 
journey but a journey none the less.  If you dwell on what may happen you will 
lose the wonder and love of the present.  Don't let that happen.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:03 PM
  Subject: How do yall do it?


  Hi guys,

  I don't have an FELV+ that I know of, but I do have a kitty with VSM 
(ventricular septal defect) - a heart condition.  She could die at any time, or 
she could live for quite a while.  (If you could add her to the prayer list, 
that would be great).  Her name is Missy, and I love her more than anything in 
the world. 

  She had an echocardiogram and was diagnosed with VSM this summer.  I think I 
have cried every day since.  Before she had the echo I thought she would be 
dead every day when I got home.  Now I'm sure she will be.  Nice as the heart 
list people are, I can't really read that list; it is too close to home.  I can 
barely read this one, and I cry a lot here too. 

  How do yall stand it?  I don't think I am strong enough.

  Kelley

  -- 
  Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

  http://www.rescuties.org

  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

  http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 

Re: How do yall do it?

[Belinda]

  She's adorable.  Is she on any meds for her condition?

--

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties
http://bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com

FeLV Candlelight Service
http://bemikitties.com/cls

HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design]
http://HostDesign4U.com



BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]
http://bmk.bemikitties.com

pet-loss chat reminder

[TenHouseCats]

my semi-regular nudge:

every evening, including holidays, there are hosted support chats--schedule
is at http://chat.pethobbyist.com/schedule.php?site=loss

all times are ET

also, a long-term illness support chat on thursdays, after pet-loss.

(last night's pet-loss chat was considerably enlivened by phaewyrn,
letmetellyouthis)

MC (aka PHCatByte, in my hosting persona)



--
Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: Seeking a pal for L'il Abner

[Lernermichelle]

 
actually, I think someone on this list had one who was vaccinated but  turned 
positive. And I am pretty sure that the shelter where my cats came from,  at 
which some of the positives live with negative ferals who are vaccinated, a  
few of the ferals have turned positive over the years. 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/26/2006 2:27:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

while  the vaccine is said to be only 85% effective, no one that we can find 
can show  a documented case of a truly negative, vaccinated cat ever 
contracting FeLV  from living closely with a positive. which makes sense, since 
they 
say that up  to 70% of healthy ADULT cats who are not vaccinated can be exposed 
and throw  the virus off. so some of us question that 85% rate, and wonder if 
it's not  across all populations, including the high-risk ones.  

Re: Seeking a pal for L'il Abner

[TenHouseCats]

there are a lot of FeLVs looking for homes--two beauties  just posted on the
special-needs-rescue-cats list, but you may also be able to find an adult
who has already been vaccinated against FeLV so you wouldn't have to go
through the long wait if it'd had the full initial series.

while the vaccine is said to be only 85% effective, no one that we can find
can show a documented case of a truly negative, vaccinated cat ever
contracting FeLV from living closely with a positive. which makes sense,
since they say that up to 70% of healthy ADULT cats who are not vaccinated
can be exposed and throw the virus off. so some of us question that 85%
rate, and wonder if it's not across all populations, including the high-risk
ones.




On 12/25/06, Karen & Phil Masaoka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Hi All,

I'm Karen - I'm new here.
I've been reading about poor Bandy & Tiny & have tears in my eyes.  I feel
so sad for you guys.
We lost our baby, Mr. Spock, a week ago.  He was just 6 months when we got
him & was FELV+ and had a great year with us and his best pal L'il Abner
(also FELV+).  Then he was diagnosed with lymphoma, and he did very well
with chemotherapy for almost two months; then a sudden decline.  We were
very saddened to lose him; he was my little baby & such a trooper to put up
with everything he went through recently.  And he went through so much.
(Can I attach a picture to this forum?)

Now Abner is super-depressed.  We have to get him another pal ASAP.  But
it's so costly (emotionally & financially) to lose a cat every year (we also
lost Max a year ago).

My vet says we could get a healthy cat & she can inject him with a great
FELV vaccine & he has 85% chance of not getting the virus.  But we could
never forgive ourselves if he got sick.  So Phil, my husband, says let's get
a healthy cat that's about to be euthanized and then we would at least be
saving him for awhile even if he DOES get the virus.  Problem is, vet says
to keep new cat separate from Abner for 25 days & then she'll inject him
again, and THEN they can be together.  But Abner's so depressed, I don't
think he can last that long.  So we'll have to get another FELV cat for him
-- any thoughts as to whether a 4-yr-old may live longer than a 1-yr-old
diagnosed with the FELV virus?  What's the longest life you know of in a
FELV+ indoor cat?

I think this is a great support group.
Karen





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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: How do yall do it?

[TenHouseCats]

people would bring FeLV or FIV cats to the sanctuary, saying that they
couldn't keep them, because, "they are going to die."

we would gently remind them that ALL of their cats, and they themselves, are
going to die. there are just no guarantees--the $1500 showcat you buy
tomorrow could have a congenital heart defect and be gone tomorrow just as
easily as your FeLV kitten.

there was a shooting in a mall in miami sunday night--a close friend had
cancelled dinner plans with another friend of hers for that evening, and her
friend had gone to that mall instead. she got caught up in the whole
shooting thing--she's fine, everything's okay, but how easily it could have
ended differently. there's no way of knowing.

i left my wallet in a friend's car 10 days ago, and a week ago she was
driving it back to me--she was in an accident and totalled her brand-new
car. she's fine, too, but only by the grace of the universe.

sharing love and light with every one and every thing in our lives every
moment we have with them is all that we can do, because we never know what
the next minute will bring. as long as we strive to live lovingly (yeah, not
always easy!), we'll have done the best we can, and made the world around us
a kinder place, and left no regrets.

"may the blessings of light be with you,
light outside, and light within you."

MC

On 12/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 The way I have dealt with the fear of loss thing, in the past, is to tell
myself that when they are gone, all I will want is the chance to hold them
and pet them and smell them and talk to them again, and will feel like I
would give anything for 5 minutes of it. And look! they are still here, and
I can do all that right now, and I don't want to waste it by worrying about
the future. it does not take away the anxiety, but it does intensify the
joy, and helps me to stay more in the moment with them.
Michelle

In a message dated 12/26/2006 1:58:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I tell her I love her every day...multiple times a day







--
Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: How do yall do it?

[TenHouseCats]

the short answer?

we do it because we can. we might not always THINK that we can, but clearly
the creative force of the universe, by whatever name you choose to call it,
believes that we can.

these critters always manage to find us, no matter what we do. i have come
to believe that, in order to complete their journeys, they come to us
because there is something they need that only we can give them. and that
there is something that we need to learn that only they can teach us. it
never gets easier to deal with the difficulties of special-needs cats, but
after the first few times they appear in our lives, i think we start to
realize that we ARE supposed to be doing this work, and that it's not just
some bad cosmic joke

everyone does what they can. some of us can work with the elderly, the sick
or dying; some can foster; some can give great amounts of time or money but
are unable to physically take in additional animals. there are so many ways
to help, and each path is valid...




On 12/26/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi guys,

I don't have an FELV+ that I know of, but I do have a kitty with VSM
(ventricular septal defect) - a heart condition.  She could die at any time,
or she could live for quite a while.  (If you could add her to the prayer
list, that would be great).  Her name is Missy, and I love her more than
anything in the world.

She had an echocardiogram and was diagnosed with VSM this summer.  I think
I have cried every day since.  Before she had the echo I thought she would
be dead every day when I got home.  Now I'm sure she will be.  Nice as the
heart list people are, I can't really read that list; it is too close to
home.  I can barely read this one, and I cry a lot here too.

How do yall stand it?  I don't think I am strong enough.

Kelley

--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20





--
Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: How do yall do it?

[Lernermichelle]

 
The way I have dealt with the fear of loss thing, in the past, is to tell  
myself that when they are gone, all I will want is the chance to hold them and  
pet them and smell them and talk to them again, and will feel like I would 
give  anything for 5 minutes of it. And look! they are still here, and I can do 
all  that right now, and I don't want to waste it by worrying about the future. 
it  does not take away the anxiety, but it does intensify the joy, and helps 
me to  stay more in the moment with them.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/26/2006 1:58:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I tell  her I love her every day...multiple times a day


 

Re: loose stools (Ember)

[Lernermichelle]

a lot of things can cause loose stool, but hair balls are probably not one  
of them. they tend to cause constipation.
 
are you sure she has hair balls? cats with ibd (inflammatory bowel  disease), 
which my Lucy has, can vomit in a way that looks like they are hacking  up 
hair balls, and can also have loose stool on and off.  The best thing  for that 
seems to be home-made diets, and most of all to be consistent and stick  to 
one food.  the most digestible of the store-bought foods for ibd seems  to be 
Innova EVO, which has no grains, as grains seem to irritate ibd in cats.  you 
might want to try that, and not change or add any foods for a while--  
switching 
back and forth is the worst.
 
michelle

Re: How do yall do it?

[Kelley Saveika]

On 12/26/06, Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 What a beautiful girl!  She sounds like a delightful kitty.  You're doing
everything right, and she knows how much you love her.  Try to focus on
having her now, rather than losing her in the future, and be happy.

Diane R.




I tell her I love her every day...multiple times a day

--

Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

RE: How do yall do it?

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

What a beautiful girl!  She sounds like a delightful kitty.  You're
doing everything right, and she knows how much you love her.  Try to
focus on having her now, rather than losing her in the future, and be
happy.
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: How do yall do it?


Oh, definitely, I would never let Missy go uncared for.  But it is about
time to take her to the cardiologist again and I'm scared.  She's the
best cat.  She's not afraid of anything, and when peopel come over she
will jump into their arms.  She's never known anything but love, except
when she was dumped at the shelter @ 8 weeks with her littermates, and I
didn't let them stay there long.  It was love at first sight with her
though.  I think I hold her at least 4 hours a day.  She's very smart
too.  
 
Here's her little picture:
 
http://www.moonvine.net/missy

 
On 12/26/06, Barb Moermond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Kelley,
I think with most of us here on this list, that it's not seeing
any other option (that can be comfortably lived with) but to care for
these animals.  We all get so much love from our animals, who just want
to be loved in return.  To not take care of an animal that has been
adopted/rescued/brought into our lives is simply unthinkable.  I believe
that all of us have in common that when we take on the care of an
animal, we assume 100% responsibility for every aspect of their
well-being, no matter now uncomfortable or painful it is for us.  The
love and joy brought into our lives erases/subdues the painful bits.
Maybe not right away, but it does. 
 
Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress.
Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." 
- Anonymous 


- Original Message 
From: Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 >
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:03:42 PM 
Subject: How do yall do it?


Hi guys,
 
I don't have an FELV+ that I know of, but I do have a kitty with
VSM (ventricular septal defect) - a heart condition.  She could die at
any time, or she could live for quite a while.  (If you could add her to
the prayer list, that would be great).  Her name is Missy, and I love
her more than anything in the world. 
 
She had an echocardiogram and was diagnosed with VSM this
summer.  I think I have cried every day since.  Before she had the echo
I thought she would be dead every day when I got home.  Now I'm sure she
will be.  Nice as the heart list people are, I can't really read that
list; it is too close to home.  I can barely read this one, and I cry a
lot here too. 
 
How do yall stand it?  I don't think I am strong enough.
 
Kelley

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RE: How do yall do it?

[Chris]

What a cute little thing!  Listen, whatever time she has with you are
wonderful for her and for you!  You sort of have to think about what you're
giving each other-think about what would have happened to her & the good
times you would have missed if you hadn't found each other.  

 

Chris

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 1:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: How do yall do it?

 

Oh, definitely, I would never let Missy go uncared for.  But it is about
time to take her to the cardiologist again and I'm scared.  She's the best
cat.  She's not afraid of anything, and when peopel come over she will jump
into their arms.  She's never known anything but love, except when she was
dumped at the shelter @ 8 weeks with her littermates, and I didn't let them
stay there long.  It was love at first sight with her though.  I think I
hold her at least 4 hours a day.  She's very smart too.  

 

Here's her little picture:

 

http://www.moonvine.net/missy

 

On 12/26/06, Barb Moermond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Kelley,

I think with most of us here on this list, that it's not seeing any other
option (that can be comfortably lived with) but to care for these animals.
We all get so much love from our animals, who just want to be loved in
return.  To not take care of an animal that has been adopted/rescued/brought
into our lives is simply unthinkable.  I believe that all of us have in
common that when we take on the care of an animal, we assume 100%
responsibility for every aspect of their well-being, no matter now
uncomfortable or painful it is for us.  The love and joy brought into our
lives erases/subdues the painful bits.  Maybe not right away, but it does. 
 

Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living
his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." 
- Anonymous 

 

- Original Message 
From: Kelley Saveika <   [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:03:42 PM 
Subject: How do yall do it?

Hi guys,

 

I don't have an FELV+ that I know of, but I do have a kitty with VSM
(ventricular septal defect) - a heart condition.  She could die at any time,
or she could live for quite a while.  (If you could add her to the prayer
list, that would be great).  Her name is Missy, and I love her more than
anything in the world. 

 

She had an echocardiogram and was diagnosed with VSM this summer.  I think I
have cried every day since.  Before she had the echo I thought she would be
dead every day when I got home.  Now I'm sure she will be.  Nice as the
heart list people are, I can't really read that list; it is too close to
home.  I can barely read this one, and I cry a lot here too. 

 

How do yall stand it?  I don't think I am strong enough.

 

Kelley

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Re: How do yall do it?

[Kelley Saveika]

On 12/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 I'm sure we all stress and cry a lot. some of us have medical problems of
our own that are probably caused or exacerbated by stress.




I went to my doctor and told him I cried every day.  He put me on
antidepressants right away.

 And if you lose enough animals, there is some sense of resignation that

comes too, I think.  It is not any less sad or upsetting, but the amount of
crying dissipates, at least for me. Because it gets so much less surprising,
even if it still hurts as much.




I have lost 4 this year and 2 last year, all kittens.  The survivors are
pretty healthy and strong, though.



I pray to be able to go at least a year at a time without a loss.  It's
been since February now, when I lost Ginger. I get scared that this means
there is an impending loss.




I hope that it doesn't mean you have an impending loss.  I pray that all
your babies will do well this year.

Kelley



Michelle

In a message dated 12/26/2006 1:04:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi guys,

I don't have an FELV+ that I know of, but I do have a kitty with VSM
(ventricular septal defect) - a heart condition.  She could die at any time,
or she could live for quite a while.  (If you could add her to the prayer
list, that would be great).  Her name is Missy, and I love her more than
anything in the world.

She had an echocardiogram and was diagnosed with VSM this summer.  I think
I have cried every day since.  Before she had the echo I thought she would
be dead every day when I got home.  Now I'm sure she will be.  Nice as the
heart list people are, I can't really read that list; it is too close to
home.  I can barely read this one, and I cry a lot here too.

How do yall stand it?  I don't think I am strong enough.

Kelley







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Re: How do yall do it?

[Kelley Saveika]

Oh, definitely, I would never let Missy go uncared for.  But it is about
time to take her to the cardiologist again and I'm scared.  She's the best
cat.  She's not afraid of anything, and when peopel come over she will jump
into their arms.  She's never known anything but love, except when she was
dumped at the shelter @ 8 weeks with her littermates, and I didn't let them
stay there long.  It was love at first sight with her though.  I think I
hold her at least 4 hours a day.  She's very smart too.

Here's her little picture:

http://www.moonvine.net/missy


On 12/26/06, Barb Moermond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  Kelley,
I think with most of us here on this list, that it's not seeing any other
option (that can be comfortably lived with) but to care for these animals.
We all get so much love from our animals, who just want to be loved in
return.  To not take care of an animal that has been adopted/rescued/brought
into our lives is simply unthinkable.  I believe that all of us have in
common that when we take on the care of an animal, we assume 100%
responsibility for every aspect of their well-being, no matter now
uncomfortable or painful it is for us.  The love and joy brought into our
lives erases/subdues the painful bits.  Maybe not right away, but it does.

Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living
his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."
- Anonymous

- Original Message 
From: Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:03:42 PM
Subject: How do yall do it?

Hi guys,

I don't have an FELV+ that I know of, but I do have a kitty with VSM
(ventricular septal defect) - a heart condition.  She could die at any time,
or she could live for quite a while.  (If you could add her to the prayer
list, that would be great).  Her name is Missy, and I love her more than
anything in the world.

She had an echocardiogram and was diagnosed with VSM this summer.  I think
I have cried every day since.  Before she had the echo I thought she would
be dead every day when I got home.  Now I'm sure she will be.  Nice as the
heart list people are, I can't really read that list; it is too close to
home.  I can barely read this one, and I cry a lot here too.

How do yall stand it?  I don't think I am strong enough.

Kelley

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RE: Seeking a pal for L'il Abner

[Karen & Phil Masaoka]

14 years - wow! that's incredible!
Encouraging to hear - thanks!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 10:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Seeking a pal for L'il Abner


I've heard of 2 who lived to 14, and two who lived to 10, and one to 9. I
lost one at 7, one at 5, and two younger, but have two who are over 5 years
old right now (knock on wood-- I get scared even writing it).  It really
varies.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/25/2006 11:52:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi All, 

I'm Karen - I'm new here. 
I've been reading about poor Bandy & Tiny & have tears in my eyes.  I feel
so sad for you guys.  
We lost our baby, Mr. Spock, a week ago.  He was just 6 months when we got
him & was FELV+ and had a great year with us and his best pal L'il Abner
(also FELV+).  Then he was diagnosed with lymphoma, and he did very well
with chemotherapy for almost two months; then a sudden decline.  We were
very saddened to lose him; he was my little baby & such a trooper to put up
with everything he went through recently.  And he went through so much.
(Can I attach a picture to this forum?)

Now Abner is super-depressed.  We have to get him another pal ASAP.  But
it's so costly (emotionally & financially) to lose a cat every year (we also
lost Max a year ago).

My vet says we could get a healthy cat & she can inject him with a great
FELV vaccine & he has 85% chance of not getting the virus.  But we could
never forgive ourselves if he got sick.  So Phil, my husband, says let's get
a healthy cat that's about to be euthanized and then we would at least be
saving him for awhile even if he DOES get the virus.  Problem is, vet says
to keep new cat separate from Abner for 25 days & then she'll inject him
again, and THEN they can be together.  But Abner's so depressed, I don't
think he can last that long.  So we'll have to get another FELV cat for him
-- any thoughts as to whether a 4-yr-old may live longer than a 1-yr-old
diagnosed with the FELV virus?  What's the longest life you know of in a
FELV+ indoor cat?

I think this is a great support group. 
Karen 

 

Re: Tiny passed

[Belinda]

  Sally,
I'm sorry Tiny has left you.  My prayers are with you, and I have 
added Tiny to the service too, him and Bandy or romping and playing 
together now.  Take care ... and I hope memories of Tiny will help ease 
your pain and bring a smile to your face once again in the future.


--

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Re: How do yall do it?

[Barb Moermond]

Kelley,
I think with most of us here on this list, that it's not seeing any other 
option (that can be comfortably lived with) but to care for these animals.  We 
all get so much love from our animals, who just want to be loved in return.  To 
not take care of an animal that has been adopted/rescued/brought into our lives 
is simply unthinkable.  I believe that all of us have in common that when we 
take on the care of an animal, we assume 100% responsibility for every aspect 
of their well-being, no matter now uncomfortable or painful it is for us.  The 
love and joy brought into our lives erases/subdues the painful bits.  Maybe not 
right away, but it does.
 
Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his 
life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." 
- Anonymous



- Original Message 
From: Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:03:42 PM
Subject: How do yall do it?


Hi guys,
 
I don't have an FELV+ that I know of, but I do have a kitty with VSM 
(ventricular septal defect) - a heart condition.  She could die at any time, or 
she could live for quite a while.  (If you could add her to the prayer list, 
that would be great).  Her name is Missy, and I love her more than anything in 
the world. 
 
She had an echocardiogram and was diagnosed with VSM this summer.  I think I 
have cried every day since.  Before she had the echo I thought she would be 
dead every day when I got home.  Now I'm sure she will be.  Nice as the heart 
list people are, I can't really read that list; it is too close to home.  I can 
barely read this one, and I cry a lot here too. 
 
How do yall stand it?  I don't think I am strong enough.
 
Kelley

-- 
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

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Re: Bandy is an angel now

[Belinda]

 Kerry,
   I don't even have words right now.  When I read your message about 
Bandy's temp dropping I was really worried.  I was so glad he was home 
with you though.  I'm so sorry he couldn't rally just one more time, he 
fought tooth and nail but sometimes the body just doesn't have anymore.


He is in the best company with so many others, recent and old-timers.  I 
know the sadness and pain you are in and wish I could do something to 
help.  I have added Bandy to the service and hope he comes to you soon 
to let you know he is OK.  My prayers are with you ... run free Bandy 
you've shed your failing body and your spirit can soar and be and do 
whatever, wherever you want.  Take care Kerry ... Bandy can be with you 
wherever you go, so know he is with you now.


--

Belinda
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Re: How do yall do it?

[Lernermichelle]

 
I'm sure we all stress and cry a lot. some of us have medical problems of  
our own that are probably caused or exacerbated by stress. And if you lose  
enough animals, there is some sense of resignation that comes too, I  think.  
It 
is not any less sad or upsetting, but the amount of crying  dissipates, at 
least for me. Because it gets so much less surprising, even if it  still hurts 
as 
much.
 
I pray to be able to go at least a year at a time without a loss.   It's been 
since February now, when I lost Ginger. I get scared that this means  there 
is an impending loss.
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/26/2006 1:04:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi guys,
 
I don't have an FELV+ that I know of, but I do have a kitty with VSM  
(ventricular septal defect) - a heart condition.  She could die at any  time, 
or she 
could live for quite a while.  (If you could add her to the  prayer list, that 
would be great).  Her name is Missy, and I love her  more than anything in 
the world. 
 
She had an echocardiogram and was diagnosed with VSM this summer.  I  think I 
have cried every day since.  Before she had the echo I thought  she would be 
dead every day when I got home.  Now I'm sure she will  be.  Nice as the heart 
list people are, I can't really read that list; it  is too close to home.  I 
can barely read this one, and I cry a lot here  too. 
 
How do yall stand it?  I don't think I am strong enough.
 
Kelley

Re: Constipated Kitty

[Belinda]

  I've been using benifiber with Fred, it's tasteless and I mix it 
right in the wet food.  He is CRF and his binders constipate him a bit.


--

Belinda
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Be-Mi-Kitties
http://bemikitties.com

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http://adopt.bemikitties.com

FeLV Candlelight Service
http://bemikitties.com/cls

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http://HostDesign4U.com



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http://bmk.bemikitties.com

How do yall do it?

[Kelley Saveika]

Hi guys,

I don't have an FELV+ that I know of, but I do have a kitty with VSM
(ventricular septal defect) - a heart condition.  She could die at any time,
or she could live for quite a while.  (If you could add her to the prayer
list, that would be great).  Her name is Missy, and I love her more than
anything in the world.

She had an echocardiogram and was diagnosed with VSM this summer.  I think I
have cried every day since.  Before she had the echo I thought she would be
dead every day when I got home.  Now I'm sure she will be.  Nice as the
heart list people are, I can't really read that list; it is too close to
home.  I can barely read this one, and I cry a lot here too.

How do yall stand it?  I don't think I am strong enough.

Kelley

--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Re: Constipated Kitty

[Lernermichelle]

Slippery elm works really well, especially when it's boiled with a little  
water into a syrup and syringed.
Michelle

Re: Seeking a pal for L'il Abner

[Lernermichelle]

 
I've heard of 2 who lived to 14, and two who lived to 10, and one to 9. I  
lost one at 7, one at 5, and two younger, but have two who are over 5 years old 
 
right now (knock on wood-- I get scared even writing it).  It really  varies.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/25/2006 11:52:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi All,  
I'm Karen - I'm new here. 
I've been reading about poor Bandy & Tiny & have  tears in my eyes.  I feel 
so sad for you guys.  
We lost our baby, Mr. Spock, a week ago.  He was just 6  months when we got 
him & was FELV+ and had a great year with us and his  best pal L'il Abner (also 
FELV+).  Then he was diagnosed with lymphoma,  and he did very well with 
chemotherapy for almost two months; then a sudden  decline.  We were very 
saddened 
to lose him; he was my little baby &  such a trooper to put up with 
everything he went through recently.  And  he went through so much.  (Can I 
attach a 
picture to this  forum?) 
Now Abner is super-depressed.  We have to get  him another pal ASAP.  But 
it's so costly (emotionally & financially)  to lose a cat every year (we also 
lost Max a year ago). 
My vet says we could get a healthy cat & she  can inject him with a great 
FELV vaccine & he has 85% chance of not  getting the virus.  But we could never 
forgive ourselves if he got  sick.  So Phil, my husband, says let's get a 
healthy cat that's about to  be euthanized and then we would at least be saving 
him 
for awhile even if he  DOES get the virus.  Problem is, vet says to keep new 
cat separate from  Abner for 25 days & then she'll inject him again, and THEN 
they can be  together.  But Abner's so depressed, I don't think he can 
last that  long.  So we'll have to get another FELV cat for him -- any thoughts 
as  to whether a 4-yr-old may live longer than a 1-yr-old diagnosed with the 
FELV  virus?  What's the longest life you know of in a FELV+ indoor  cat? 
I think this is a great support group.  
Karen 


 

Re: Tiny passed

[Lernermichelle]

 
Sally, I am so sorry. Perhaps he had mediastinal lymphoma.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/25/2006 6:40:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
I am so sorry to tell everyone  that Tiny just passed over. He had a 
seemingly benign URI. Not really showing  symptoms of being in distress. He 
seemed 
worse today, but not life  threatening. Five minutes ago he started choking I 
tried to hold him nothing  would help. He was turning blue. Before I could get 
oxygen to him he was gone.  I so did not expect this like this. He was the 
healthier one of my two FelV  babies. This has been one horrible year. 
Sally



 

Re: Bandy is an angel now

[Lernermichelle]

Kerry, I'm sorry.
Michelle

Re: Wishing all of you Christmas blessings and a Happy New Year

[elizabeth trent]

Thank you, Wendy - and to you too.  Thank you for all the support and
encouragement.

elizabeth


On 12/25/06, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Wishing everyone here in our wonderful group blessings
a hundred fold back for all the love and care and
sacrifice you have shown your furbabies.  And also
wishing you a Happy New Year.

:)
Wendy

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RE: Tiny passed

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Sally, my heart goes out to you for all your shock and sadness in losing
Tiny. Bad enough when we lose them after a prolonged fight against
illness, but so much more hard to accept when it happens this way. I'm
so sorry you and Tiny had to go through this. It seems so unfair. You
did your very best, and that's all any of us can do.  Please know I'm
thinking of you. I pray 2007 is a better year for you and all our
furbabes. 
love and hugs, 
Kerry M. 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 5:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Tiny passed



I am so sorry to tell everyone that Tiny just passed over. He had a
seemingly benign URI. Not really showing symptoms of being in distress.
He seemed worse today, but not life threatening. Five minutes ago he
started choking I tried to hold him nothing would help. He was turning
blue. Before I could get oxygen to him he was gone. I so did not expect
this like this. He was the healthier one of my two FelV babies. This has
been one horrible year.

 

Sally
 
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RE: Bandy is an angel now

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I'm so very sorry, Kerry. Bandy couldn't have wished for a better mom or
a more devoted carer and companion than you, and you must miss him so
badly. I wish there were the words to take away your pain. He was such a
little trooper, and such a plucky presence on the list for such a long
time, we are all going to feel the gap he's left behind. Please know you
and Angel Bandy are in my thoughts at this very sad and difficult time
for you, Kerry. 
love and big hugs, Kerry M.
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Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 5:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Bandy is an angel now


Bandy passed away around 4pm TX. time at home with me..This as you all
know is so hard to write, but I wanted you to know..You all have been so
good to us the past year and a half.
I will write more when I can..
Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky

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Re: Bandy is an angel now

[cindy reasoner]

OH, Kerry I am so sorry to hear about Bandy.  I don't
know what to say except that you are in my prayers.

Cindy

--- Kerry Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bandy passed away around 4pm TX. time at home with
> me..This as you all know is so hard to write, but I
> wanted you to know..You all have been so good to us
> the past year and a half.
>   I will write more when I can..
>   Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky
> 
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Re: Tiny passed

[cindy reasoner]

Sally,

I am so sorry to hear that Tiny has passed away.  You
are in my thoughts and prayers.

Cindy

--- Sally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am so sorry to tell everyone that Tiny just passed
> over. He had a
> seemingly benign URI. Not really showing symptoms of
> being in distress. He
> seemed worse today, but not life threatening. Five
> minutes ago he started
> choking I tried to hold him nothing would help. He
> was turning blue. Before
> I could get oxygen to him he was gone. I so did not
> expect this like this.
> He was the healthier one of my two FelV babies. This
> has been one horrible
> year.
> 
>  
> 
> Sally
> 
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Re: Tiny passed

[Barb Moermond]

Oh Sally, I am so sorry.  It's never easy, but it's especially hard when it 
isn't expected.  GLOW to light his path and ease your heart.
 
Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his 
life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." 
- Anonymous



- Original Message 
From: Sally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 5:39:17 PM
Subject: Tiny passed


I am so sorry to tell everyone that Tiny just passed over. He had a seemingly 
benign URI. Not really showing symptoms of being in distress. He seemed worse 
today, but not life threatening. Five minutes ago he started choking I tried to 
hold him nothing would help. He was turning blue. Before I could get oxygen to 
him he was gone. I so did not expect this like this. He was the healthier one 
of my two FelV babies. This has been one horrible year.
 
Sally

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Re: Bandy is an angel now

[Barb Moermond]

Kerry, I am so so sorry.  You had the strength to let him choose and he will 
always be with you in spirit.  GLOW to light his path and ease your heart.
 
Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his 
life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." 
- Anonymous



- Original Message 
From: Kerry Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 5:09:24 PM
Subject: Bandy is an angel now


Bandy passed away around 4pm TX. time at home with me..This as you all know is 
so hard to write, but I wanted you to know..You all have been so good to us the 
past year and a half.
I will write more when I can..
Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky
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RE: Tiny passed

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

What a sad day.  Sally, I'm so sorry Tiny had to leave you.  You just
never know what will take them.  Vibes that Tiny has a gentle Bridge
journey, and comfort to you.
 
Diane R.



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 5:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Tiny passed



I am so sorry to tell everyone that Tiny just passed over. He had a
seemingly benign URI. Not really showing symptoms of being in distress.
He seemed worse today, but not life threatening. Five minutes ago he
started choking I tried to hold him nothing would help. He was turning
blue. Before I could get oxygen to him he was gone. I so did not expect
this like this. He was the healthier one of my two FelV babies. This has
been one horrible year.

 

Sally


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RE: Bandy is an angel now

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

I am so very sorry, Kerry, but I'm glad he was home with you.  Gentle
Bridge vibes to Bandy, and hugs to you.
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry Roach
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 5:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Bandy is an angel now


Bandy passed away around 4pm TX. time at home with me..This as you all
know is so hard to write, but I wanted you to know..You all have been so
good to us the past year and a half.
I will write more when I can..
Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky

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Re: Seeking a pal for L'il Abner

[Belinda]

 Hi Karen,
   I'm so sorry about Mr Spock.  I just wanted you to know my Bailey 
whom I just lost this May 6th to pancreatic cancer was FeLV+ when I 
found him in October of 1995.  He was 5 months old when I found him and 
positive, he had just turned 11 years old when I lost him this May.  
There are a few others on the list who are getting older and doing fine.


The three I lost in the early 90's were 5, 7 and 9 when they succumbed 
to cancer and anemia, not sure when they each were infected, but I 
suspect my 9 year old was born with it he was sickly all his life.


PS.  Bailey had up to as many as 8 house mates at one time, all negative 
and all vaccinated in his 11 years, all living, eating, playing, 
grooming and on occasion having minor spats with each other, nobody ever 
got it from him.


*OT:*  My Fred is going in for his 3 month blood work check, he is my 
CRF guy.  He has recently been losing weight and I can't entice him to 
eat good, it's been a struggle to keep him around 9 lbs, he has now 
dropped to 8lbs 13.5oz and is starting to look bony.  I'm thinking of 
putting a feeding tube in, I don't want to wait until he is too weak and 
I'm in kind of a bind because my vet won't be there anymore and wouldn't 
be able to do the surgery at a later date.  She is going to be doing 
house calls but won't be working at a clinic.  Prayers that if he does 
get a feeding tube his surgery will go OK, thanks everyone.


--

Belinda
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