Re: [Finale] Unico van Wassenaer

[arabushk]

Dank U zeer voor Uw informatie! I will pass it on to the publisher if they
think it will be of value to their customers. I do have a recording of the
transcription produced in 1993 with the Martinu orchestra in (speaking of
mysteries) Zlín, which, as the sound of the orchestra (particularly the
clarinets) lets you know, is not far from Mahler's native Kalis^te.

Thanks to all list members who helped me with my request here. I sent the
result in tonight and we'll see if it fits the publisher's needs.

ajr

> Aron,
> I know van Wassenaers music, there is a very good recording by the
> Combattimento Consort from The Netherlands. I think it is powerful
> music, invigorating.
> Problem with van Wassenaer (Graaf = 2 a's and van Wassenaer = 2 s's)
> is that a man of his standing wasn't supposed to compose, or publish.
> Nobility doesn't work, remember?
> He was persuaded to publish, and so he did, but not under his name.
> The orchestral sound of the time was transparent, with strong basses,
> and I suppose the music could sound really well when played by a
> brass band, with good tubas ;-)
>
> "Early Music will only stay alive if it surfaces in pools of brass,
> or appears in curtains of electronic sound"
>
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Re: [Finale] No playback or MIDI thru from Finale

[Carolyn Bremer]

Have you tried it on multiple files? An old one? A new default
document? What about one of the other default files (jazz font?) in
the components folder?

Good luck!

-Carolyn



On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Chuck Israels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jul 16, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Giz Bowe wrote:
>
>> At 08:16 PM 7/16/2008, you wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone else with ideas?
>>
>> Have you tried rebooting?
>
> Yes.
>
>
>> Have you tried reloading the MIDI drivers through the MIDI menu?
>
> I have rescanned the midi devices and done what I know how to do with that.
>
>
>
>
>> Or switching from VST to MIDI and back? (Don't ask me how I know!)
>
> Yes.
>
> So far, nothing.
>
> I will call Mac support at MM tomorrow AM.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Re: [Finale] No playback or MIDI thru from Finale

[Chuck Israels]

On Jul 16, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Giz Bowe wrote:


At 08:16 PM 7/16/2008, you wrote:

Anyone else with ideas?


Have you tried rebooting?


Yes.



Have you tried reloading the MIDI drivers through the MIDI menu?


I have rescanned the midi devices and done what I know how to do with  
that.






Or switching from VST to MIDI and back? (Don't ask me how I know!)


Yes.

So far, nothing.

I will call Mac support at MM tomorrow AM.

Thanks,

Chuck






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Re: [Finale] No playback or MIDI thru from Finale

[Giz Bowe]

At 08:16 PM 7/16/2008, you wrote:

Anyone else with ideas?


Have you tried rebooting? Have you tried reloading the MIDI drivers 
through the MIDI menu? Or switching from VST to MIDI and back? (Don't 
ask me how I know!)


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Re: [Finale] No playback or MIDI thru from Finale

[John Blane]

Is the Base Key Velocity set to zero?

On Jul 16, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:


Hi Dean,

Nothing is stupid (except maybe me) when trying to figure out  
what's going on in these situations, but everything is correct in  
the instrument list.


Anyone else with ideas?

Thanks,

Chuck


On Jul 16, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:

This may be stupid, but it has happened to me  is one of your  
instruments set to "solo?"


Dean


On Jul 16, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:





Hi all,

Been away, and others have been on my computer.  Just getting  
back to work and getting no sound from Finale.  (This is a Finale  
issue; all other sounds are working including the Midi keyboard  
through Garage Band.)  Midi input is working from the Midi  
keyboard - the correct notes appear in Speedy.  Garritan  
instruments are loaded through the Kontakt 2 player, the  
instrument list is correct, but no sound is forthcoming.  Can't  
think of what I might be missing when all other sound from the  
computer is normal.  Any ideas?


TIA,

Chuck





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Re: [Finale] No playback or MIDI thru from Finale

[Chuck Israels]

On Jul 16, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Richard Yates wrote:




Been away, and others have been on my computer.  Just getting
back to work and getting no sound from Finale.  (This is a
Finale issue; all other sounds are working including the Midi
keyboard through Garage
Band.)  Midi input is working from the Midi keyboard - the
correct notes appear in Speedy.  Garritan instruments are
loaded through the Kontakt 2 player, the instrument list is
correct, but no sound is forthcoming.  Can't think of what I
might be missing when all other sound from the computer is
normal.  Any ideas?



On my setup the MIDI volume in the SoundBlaster mixer sometimes  
mysteriously

resets to zero. Do you have MIDI playback with other applications?




Hi Richard,

The keyboard plays through Garage Band, and that's a Midi driven  
program - far as I understand.


Chuck



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RE: [Finale] No playback or MIDI thru from Finale

[Richard Yates]

 
>Been away, and others have been on my computer.  Just getting 
>back to work and getting no sound from Finale.  (This is a 
>Finale issue; all other sounds are working including the Midi 
>keyboard through Garage
>Band.)  Midi input is working from the Midi keyboard - the 
>correct notes appear in Speedy.  Garritan instruments are 
>loaded through the Kontakt 2 player, the instrument list is 
>correct, but no sound is forthcoming.  Can't think of what I 
>might be missing when all other sound from the computer is 
>normal.  Any ideas?


On my setup the MIDI volume in the SoundBlaster mixer sometimes mysteriously
resets to zero. Do you have MIDI playback with other applications?


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Re: [Finale] No playback or MIDI thru from Finale

[Chuck Israels]

Hi Dean,

Nothing is stupid (except maybe me) when trying to figure out what's  
going on in these situations, but everything is correct in the  
instrument list.


Anyone else with ideas?

Thanks,

Chuck


On Jul 16, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:

This may be stupid, but it has happened to me  is one of your  
instruments set to "solo?"


Dean


On Jul 16, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:





Hi all,

Been away, and others have been on my computer.  Just getting back  
to work and getting no sound from Finale.  (This is a Finale issue;  
all other sounds are working including the Midi keyboard through  
Garage Band.)  Midi input is working from the Midi keyboard - the  
correct notes appear in Speedy.  Garritan instruments are loaded  
through the Kontakt 2 player, the instrument list is correct, but  
no sound is forthcoming.  Can't think of what I might be missing  
when all other sound from the computer is normal.  Any ideas?


TIA,

Chuck





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Re: [Finale] No playback or MIDI thru from Finale

[Dean M. Estabrook]

This may be stupid, but it has happened to me  is one of your  
instruments set to "solo?"


Dean


On Jul 16, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:





Hi all,

Been away, and others have been on my computer.  Just getting back  
to work and getting no sound from Finale.  (This is a Finale issue;  
all other sounds are working including the Midi keyboard through  
Garage Band.)  Midi input is working from the Midi keyboard - the  
correct notes appear in Speedy.  Garritan instruments are loaded  
through the Kontakt 2 player, the instrument list is correct, but  
no sound is forthcoming.  Can't think of what I might be missing  
when all other sound from the computer is normal.  Any ideas?


TIA,

Chuck





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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009

[Frank Prain]

A long-time lurker here - I also have tried Simple Entry, only to get
completely bamboozled and lose my temper and immediately revert to Speedy.
Probably if I spent some time and looked at the manual I might get my head
around it, but why change the habits of years?

Frank

2008/7/17 Robert Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I am also a Speedy user, but I must say I've seen the Tom Carrathers
> demo, and he makes a strong case for "Simple". These days it is far
> from simple, and it is very powerful. But I remain a creature of
> habit.
>
> Chuck wrote:
> > I am another committed Speedy Entry user who has attempted using
> > Simple Entry a few times and quickly abandoned it.
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RE: [Finale] OT: Music Stands

[Owain Sutton]

Thanks :) 


> -Original Message-
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> Subject: RE: [Finale] OT: Music Stands
> 
> 
> 
> >Has anyone got a link for these?
> 
> http://www.swstrings.com/Store/Shopping.jsp?Category=Accessori
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[Finale] no playback or midi thru from Finale

[Chuck Israels]

Sorry,

Forgot to include this information: Mac OS 10.5


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[Finale] No playback or MIDI thru from Finale

[Chuck Israels]

Hi all,

Been away, and others have been on my computer.  Just getting back to  
work and getting no sound from Finale.  (This is a Finale issue; all  
other sounds are working including the Midi keyboard through Garage  
Band.)  Midi input is working from the Midi keyboard - the correct  
notes appear in Speedy.  Garritan instruments are loaded through the  
Kontakt 2 player, the instrument list is correct, but no sound is  
forthcoming.  Can't think of what I might be missing when all other  
sound from the computer is normal.  Any ideas?


TIA,

Chuck





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RE: [Finale] OT: Music Stands

[Richard Yates]

>Has anyone got a link for these?

http://www.swstrings.com/Store/Shopping.jsp?Category=Accessories&SubCategory
=Any&Group=M48SO 

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RE: [Finale] OT: Music Stands

[Owain Sutton]

> 
> On Jul 16, 2008, at 1:59 AM, dhbailey wrote:
> 
> > Richard Yates wrote:
> >>
> >> Manhasset stands are terrific.
> >> Yes, but the feet are metal with sharp edges on the 
> bottom. They will 
> >> scratch a floor (wood, vinyl, etc) very easily. I wrapped mine with
> >> moleskin
> >> and it seems to work so far.
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> > There are after-market rubber foot covers that slip on to protect
> > the floor.  I don't know how much they cost.
> >
> > There are also after-market Stand-Outs which slide over the stand
> > from left and right edges and can be pulled out to extend 
> the width  
> > of the music rack.
> >
> 
> The Standouts are invented and made by a now retired musician 
> here in  
> Bellingham, and they work well when you need an expanse of 
> desk space  
> that can accommodate 4 open pages of music.
> 
> Chuck
> 

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Re: [Finale] OT: Windows backup software

[David W. Fenton]

On 16 Jul 2008 at 10:51, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

> So what do folks use who have actually had to restore their boot drive?
> I'm leery of Norton software, but Ghost seems popular. Does it work? I've
> also taken a peek at Acronis True Image which looks good.

For a one-time snapshot like this, I'd recommend any free program 
that can create a disk image.

For long-time backup and recover needs, here's my strategy:

1. Executive Undelete (for versioning of current files).

2. Acronis TrueImage (for daily incremental images and weekly full 
images).

3. Second Copy (for daily data backups -- I keep 10 copies of all 
files).

Overkill? Nope! You always need multiple redundant layers of backup, 
because it's only when one or more backup fails that you have a 
problem.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009

[Robert Patterson]

I am also a Speedy user, but I must say I've seen the Tom Carrathers
demo, and he makes a strong case for "Simple". These days it is far
from simple, and it is very powerful. But I remain a creature of
habit.

Chuck wrote:
> I am another committed Speedy Entry user who has attempted using
> Simple Entry a few times and quickly abandoned it.
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009

[David W. Fenton]

On 16 Jul 2008 at 14:16, dhbailey wrote:

> can't get anywhere near the speed with Simple as I can get with Speedy.

For all my major entry projects, I use a MIDI keyboard in Speedy. The 
only time I've ever used Speedy with the computer keyboard alone for 
any major work was way back before I had a MIDI keyboard, and on a 
recent trip to visit family where I entered a motet on board the 
plane.

I could sacrifice Speedy without MIDI keyboard as long as using the 
MIDI keyboard with Simple is pretty much the same (i.e., play the 
pitch, hit the number). How does simple currently work with step-time 
entry?

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009

[Cecil Rigby]

Chuck wrote:
I am another committed Speedy Entry user who has attempted using  
Simple Entry a few times and quickly abandoned it. 


I'm just "me too"ing .

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Re: [Finale] OT: Windows backup software

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Wed, July 16, 2008 2:51 pm, dc wrote:
> What are the advantages of SP3?

Here they are:
  http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480/
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP#Service_Pack_3

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[Finale] Re: OT: Windows backup software

[Cecil Rigby]

Just be aware that if you ever have to do a repair of WinXP you'll need to 
hand-register several dll's or the various updates (about 88 of them?) that 
would bring you back up to SP3 won't install. This is due to an undocumented 
install of an update to XP and Vista by MS to people's machines WHETHER OR NOT 
they wanted it (before the SP3 update was released). It was a stealth update no 
one got a choice about, and it carried a flaw. 

See  http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=817   for documentation

Personally, I had no trouble with the SP3 updater last week.

Anyway- sorry I didn't answer your REAL question. I usually just backup 
critical files to USB like you- I've never backed up an entire disk. I know 
that'll get me a flame or two!

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[Finale] Unico van Wassenaer

[The Blockfluteshop Online]

Aron,
I know van Wassenaers music, there is a very good recording by the  
Combattimento Consort from The Netherlands. I think it is powerful  
music, invigorating.
Problem with van Wassenaer (Graaf = 2 a's and van Wassenaer = 2 s's)  
is that a man of his standing wasn't supposed to compose, or publish.  
Nobility doesn't work, remember?
He was persuaded to publish, and so he did, but not under his name.  
The orchestral sound of the time was transparent, with strong basses,  
and I suppose the music could sound really well when played by a  
brass band, with good tubas ;-)


"Early Music will only stay alive if it surfaces in pools of brass,  
or appears in curtains of electronic sound"


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Wed, July 16, 2008 2:16 pm, dhbailey wrote:
> So whatever happens, I hope that the functionality of Speedy Entry
> remains (and can be improved upon) even if they wrap it into Simple
> Entry.

I agree. I don't need the little window-frame (which is actually a
window-pain), just the keystroke functionality ... values, tuplets, arrows
(my autorepeat is set to as fast as it will allow), jump-next on/off,
etc., and the whole thing typable without leaving a concentrated area of
the keyboard.

If there's a full Speedy emulations within Simple, I'm happy.

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RE: [Finale] OT: Windows backup software

[Williams, Jim]

Add me to the list of users who ditched Ghost in favor of TrueImage. Ghost 
required entry into DOS and prohibited other work. TrueImage is a real Windoze 
program & user can work while backing up. If I left my machines on 24/7 I'd 
also use the auto-scheduler.
I've also had some questions for the people at Acronis...they answered promptly 
and professionally.
Jim W.  



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Subject: RE: [Finale] OT: Windows backup software



Some of my brethren here at the office use Acronis TrueImage and like it. I've 
not had good luck with Ghost. It messes up my network config.

I'm not sure but BackupExec might have a personal version still.

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Subject: [Finale] OT: Windows backup software

Hi all,

Windows question.

Normally I do my file and drive backups with ordinary file copying (using
a utility called ViceVersa) to removable USB drives.

Windows XP SP3 just appeared this morning as a push update from MS.

Before installing it SP3, I want a 'real' backup of that drive. Although
all the SP3 docs look like I'm safe, there have been some unhappy reports
about the results, especially with AMD processors (which I have).

I've never actually had a problem with MS updates (lucky me), and I've
been upgrading hardware and software on my main desktop since 1993 and
Windows 3.1 (the floppy drive is the only original part left). The Windows
XP upgrade was done using a full version, and it went smoothly -- but ya
nevah know.

So what do folks use who have actually had to restore their boot drive?
I'm leery of Norton software, but Ghost seems popular. Does it work? I've
also taken a peek at Acronis True Image which looks good.

Many thanks,
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009

[dhbailey]

Aaron Sherber wrote:

At 01:39 PM 7/16/2008, Chuck Israels wrote:
 >I am another committed Speedy Entry user who has attempted using
 >Simple Entry a few times and quickly abandoned it. Tom Johnson told me
 >a couple of years ago that the long term plan was to make Simple have
 >an option that would allow pitch first, then duration - the way Speedy
 >works. 

For my money, this is absolutely crucial. Every time I try Simple, I get 
hung up on having to think duration and then pitch. It's not the way I 
think with pen and paper (I move to the right place on the staff and 
then draw a note of a certain duration), so why would it be the way I 
think in software?




Because it's easier if we don't burden the developers with our desires 
for things to work as we do?


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009

[dhbailey]

Chuck Israels wrote:


On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:43 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:




Furthermore, I remember that we were at least half-officially told 
that Speedy entry will not be further developed in any future versions 
of Finale, as it had been decided to go Simple, and to convert people 
over to Simple. This was a complete mystery to me then, as Speedy has 
a lot of potential to be developed further, and I am sure there are at 
least as many power users using Speedy as there are using Simple. I 
have always asked for better control over Speedy keyboard commands 
(there are a lot of problems for users of foreign keyboards) and add 
the ability to enter at least articulations in Speedy. I, for one, 
have not found Simple to be better or faster, and believe me, I have 
tried, especially as I originally had the impression Simple would work 
better for Laptop entry without a MIDI keyboard. Well, for me it does 
not, and even though I have spent many hours trying to get used to it, 
it simply does not do it for me.


I really hope that eventually MM will realize what potential Speedy 
would have if it was improved to be the pro-tool for note entry.





I am another committed Speedy Entry user who has attempted using Simple 
Entry a few times and quickly abandoned it. Tom Johnson told me a couple 
of years ago that the long term plan was to make Simple have an option 
that would allow pitch first, then duration - the way Speedy works.  My 
sense is that I could probably deal with it, if I could choose that 
option.  I don't think the MM developers are so perverse that they'd 
eliminate Speedy altogether without making something else emulate its 
basic way of working.  I have been stunned by Tom's speed with Simple 
Entry - notes, articulations and dynamics all at once at breakneck 
speed, but I have yet to get my brain around it.




I think this points up something that program developers would do well 
to remember -- we are not all the same, and we do not all work the same, 
and the applications which have lasted on the market have allowed the 
greatest number of users to do what was necessary with a minimum of 
fuss, often allowing more than one procedure to arrive at the same end.


When I came to Finale from MusicPrinterPlus, I was able to work the same 
way as always, moving the cursor to the correct pitch with the cursor 
keys and selecting the value to place the note.  It was an easy transition.


Like the others in this thread, I have tried Simple Entry -- my wife 
uses it exclusively and we always approach things from opposite points 
of view (and amazingly are still happily married after 24 years!) but I 
can't get anywhere near the speed with Simple as I can get with Speedy.


So whatever happens, I hope that the functionality of Speedy Entry 
remains (and can be improved upon) even if they wrap it into Simple 
Entry.  Just as long as I don't have to go changing options every time I 
enter the Simple Entry tool!


But I think that MakeMusic may be missing the boat in their publicity 
when they no longer make notice of Speedy Entry, because for some people 
the term "simple" is the same as "for dummies" and may well not even 
look at Finale or may be so unimpressed with Simple Entry that they 
don't even look for another option, since the program isn't pushing it 
anymore.


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RE: [Finale] Finale 2009

[Fisher, Allen]

LOL!

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2009

Fisher, Allen wrote:
> Eric--
>
> I'd really like to know who told you that we were dropping Speedy. This FUD 
> has been spread on the public forum as well.
>


I think it's been added to the "Barack Obama is a Muslim" email.



RBH



P. S. For anyone else, like myself, who hadn't yet come across "FUD" = "Fear, 
uncertainty and doubt"



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RE: [Finale] OT: Windows backup software

[Fisher, Allen]

Some of my brethren here at the office use Acronis TrueImage and like it. I've 
not had good luck with Ghost. It messes up my network config.

I'm not sure but BackupExec might have a personal version still.

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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:52 AM
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Subject: [Finale] OT: Windows backup software

Hi all,

Windows question.

Normally I do my file and drive backups with ordinary file copying (using
a utility called ViceVersa) to removable USB drives.

Windows XP SP3 just appeared this morning as a push update from MS.

Before installing it SP3, I want a 'real' backup of that drive. Although
all the SP3 docs look like I'm safe, there have been some unhappy reports
about the results, especially with AMD processors (which I have).

I've never actually had a problem with MS updates (lucky me), and I've
been upgrading hardware and software on my main desktop since 1993 and
Windows 3.1 (the floppy drive is the only original part left). The Windows
XP upgrade was done using a full version, and it went smoothly -- but ya
nevah know.

So what do folks use who have actually had to restore their boot drive?
I'm leery of Norton software, but Ghost seems popular. Does it work? I've
also taken a peek at Acronis True Image which looks good.

Many thanks,
Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009

[Aaron Sherber]

At 01:39 PM 7/16/2008, Chuck Israels wrote:
>I am another committed Speedy Entry user who has attempted using
>Simple Entry a few times and quickly abandoned it. Tom Johnson told me
>a couple of years ago that the long term plan was to make Simple have
>an option that would allow pitch first, then duration - the way Speedy
>works. 

For my money, this is absolutely crucial. Every time I try Simple, I 
get hung up on having to think duration and then pitch. It's not the 
way I think with pen and paper (I move to the right place on the 
staff and then draw a note of a certain duration), so why would it be 
the way I think in software?


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009

[Chuck Israels]

On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:43 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:




Furthermore, I remember that we were at least half-officially told  
that Speedy entry will not be further developed in any future  
versions of Finale, as it had been decided to go Simple, and to  
convert people over to Simple. This was a complete mystery to me  
then, as Speedy has a lot of potential to be developed further, and  
I am sure there are at least as many power users using Speedy as  
there are using Simple. I have always asked for better control over  
Speedy keyboard commands (there are a lot of problems for users of  
foreign keyboards) and add the ability to enter at least  
articulations in Speedy. I, for one, have not found Simple to be  
better or faster, and believe me, I have tried, especially as I  
originally had the impression Simple would work better for Laptop  
entry without a MIDI keyboard. Well, for me it does not, and even  
though I have spent many hours trying to get used to it, it simply  
does not do it for me.


I really hope that eventually MM will realize what potential Speedy  
would have if it was improved to be the pro-tool for note entry.





I am another committed Speedy Entry user who has attempted using  
Simple Entry a few times and quickly abandoned it. Tom Johnson told me  
a couple of years ago that the long term plan was to make Simple have  
an option that would allow pitch first, then duration - the way Speedy  
works.  My sense is that I could probably deal with it, if I could  
choose that option.  I don't think the MM developers are so perverse  
that they'd eliminate Speedy altogether without making something else  
emulate its basic way of working.  I have been stunned by Tom's speed  
with Simple Entry - notes, articulations and dynamics all at once at  
breakneck speed, but I have yet to get my brain around it.


Chuck




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Bellingham, WA 98225-5836
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Re: [Finale] OT: Music Stands

[Chuck Israels]

On Jul 16, 2008, at 1:59 AM, dhbailey wrote:


Richard Yates wrote:



Manhasset stands are terrific.

Yes, but the feet are metal with sharp edges on the bottom. They will
scratch a floor (wood, vinyl, etc) very easily. I wrapped mine with  
moleskin

and it seems to work so far.
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There are after-market rubber foot covers that slip on to protect  
the floor.  I don't know how much they cost.


There are also after-market Stand-Outs which slide over the stand  
from left and right edges and can be pulled out to extend the width  
of the music rack.




The Standouts are invented and made by a now retired musician here in  
Bellingham, and they work well when you need an expanse of desk space  
that can accommodate 4 open pages of music.


Chuck






Chuck Israels
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Bellingham, WA 98225-5836
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 - what about bugs?

[Fiskum, Steve]

My experience is that FIN2008b is the best at upgrading files from 3.5.2 on
up. I've spent most of this year upgrading large numbers of old 3.5.2 choral
files directly into 2008b with great success. No other version could retain
most of the "look" on the page. Yes, there are a few issues (text blocks)
but because of a near perfect rendition of the music there is minimal
editing and proofing to be done. I'm glad I held out. The amount of time and
money wasted on upgrading the files throughout the years for each version
would have been huge. It's nice to know they finally listened to some of us
complaining about the lack of concern and care being put into upgrading
legacy files.

Cheers,
Steve


7/16/08 7:18 AM, "Robert Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would be curious to know what kinds of problems you've seen upgrading
> files in recent versions. I of course use PDFs too. But I generally
> upgrade to the latest version if I need to make changes. In the 1990s I
> would never have done so.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 16.07.2008 dhbailey wrote:

I can guess how the rumor got started -- in the promo material for Fin2009 on 
the web-site, on the page dealing with Note Entry, there is a tab for Simple 
Entry, for Hyperscribe, for MicNotator and for Scanning.  No mention of Speedy 
Entry at all.  And since you're making such a big deal of all those methods 
which have been part of Finale for many versions and you make *no* mention of 
Speedy Entry at all on the page about note entry, it's an easy assumption that 
you've decided to drop Speedy Entry.  I'm sure there are many more people who 
use Speedy Entry than use MicNotator, yet you make a big deal of MicNotator and 
fail to mention Speedy Entry at all.  For people already spooked by the major 
tool realignment from Finale2008 and who have read the comments about how 
Speedy Entry will eventually be done away with when its functionality is moved 
over to Speedy Entry, this failure to mention Speedy Entry is significant.

Blame your publicity department for failing to mention what for many of us is 
the major or only method of note entry.


Furthermore, I remember that we were at least half-officially told that 
Speedy entry will not be further developed in any future versions of 
Finale, as it had been decided to go Simple, and to convert people over 
to Simple. This was a complete mystery to me then, as Speedy has a lot 
of potential to be developed further, and I am sure there are at least 
as many power users using Speedy as there are using Simple. I have 
always asked for better control over Speedy keyboard commands (there are 
a lot of problems for users of foreign keyboards) and add the ability to 
enter at least articulations in Speedy. I, for one, have not found 
Simple to be better or faster, and believe me, I have tried, especially 
as I originally had the impression Simple would work better for Laptop 
entry without a MIDI keyboard. Well, for me it does not, and even though 
I have spent many hours trying to get used to it, it simply does not do 
it for me.


I really hope that eventually MM will realize what potential Speedy 
would have if it was improved to be the pro-tool for note entry.


Johannes

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[Finale] OT: Windows backup software

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

Windows question.

Normally I do my file and drive backups with ordinary file copying (using
a utility called ViceVersa) to removable USB drives.

Windows XP SP3 just appeared this morning as a push update from MS.

Before installing it SP3, I want a 'real' backup of that drive. Although
all the SP3 docs look like I'm safe, there have been some unhappy reports
about the results, especially with AMD processors (which I have).

I've never actually had a problem with MS updates (lucky me), and I've
been upgrading hardware and software on my main desktop since 1993 and
Windows 3.1 (the floppy drive is the only original part left). The Windows
XP upgrade was done using a full version, and it went smoothly -- but ya
nevah know.

So what do folks use who have actually had to restore their boot drive?
I'm leery of Norton software, but Ghost seems popular. Does it work? I've
also taken a peek at Acronis True Image which looks good.

Many thanks,
Dennis


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Re: [Finale] OT: Music Stands

[John Howell]

At 4:59 AM -0400 7/16/08, dhbailey wrote:


There are also after-market Stand-Outs which slide over the stand 
from left and right edges and can be pulled out to extend the width 
of the music rack.


I've used them.  In fact there's a stand right across the room with a 
set deployed.  They work fine, with a couple of caveats:  (1)  The 
plastic is quite heavy--solid, but heavy--and if you carry your stand 
around much you'll feel it; (2) If either the desk or the lip of the 
stand has gotten bent, it's a major job to try to slip them on, or to 
extend them once on.


We used them for members of our Showband in our college entertainment 
ensemble, since their music was prepared accordion-fold, and they 
worked quite well.  Today I would probably opt for the available 32" 
desk stand, which is probably lighter.


There is also an add-on plastic accessory shelf (or at least there 
used to be; I didn't see it when I checked the catalog yesterday), 
also of the same heavy plastic, and also needing an un-bent stand 
lip.  If I needed one on a regular basis, again, today I'd probably 
go with the desk that has one built-in.


Lots of options, and none of them really overpriced.

John


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009

[Eric Dannewitz]

Excellent point. How many people actually find that MicNotator thing useful?
I've tried it once or twice and it was terrible..

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:22 AM, dhbailey <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Fisher, Allen wrote:
>
>> Eric--
>>
>> I'd really like to know who told you that we were dropping Speedy. This
>> FUD has been spread on the public forum as well.
>>
>>
> I can guess how the rumor got started -- in the promo material for Fin2009
> on the web-site, on the page dealing with Note Entry, there is a tab for
> Simple Entry, for Hyperscribe, for MicNotator and for Scanning.  No mention
> of Speedy Entry at all.  And since you're making such a big deal of all
> those methods which have been part of Finale for many versions and you make
> *no* mention of Speedy Entry at all on the page about note entry, it's an
> easy assumption that you've decided to drop Speedy Entry.  I'm sure there
> are many more people who use Speedy Entry than use MicNotator, yet you make
> a big deal of MicNotator and fail to mention Speedy Entry at all.  For
> people already spooked by the major tool realignment from Finale2008 and who
> have read the comments about how Speedy Entry will eventually be done away
> with when its functionality is moved over to Speedy Entry, this failure to
> mention Speedy Entry is significant.
>
> Blame your publicity department for failing to mention what for many of us
> is the major or only method of note entry.
>
>
>
>
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[Finale] Colour of selection tool in 2009

[Barbara Touburg]

Have they restored it?


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 - what about bugs?

[Robert Patterson]

I disagree that it has been like this with every update. Reproofing was 
a significant headache with all updates from v1.0 to roughly Fin97. I'm 
not talking about subtleties. Spacing would be screwed up, or 
accidentals and expressions jumped around. I actually had to write a 
custom plugin to help me upgrade one file created in v2. Plus, you had 
to upgrade files in stages. First, get it to the last v2 format, then to 
Fin02 (which had the best import of v2 files) then onwards.


However, after that I have been remarkably surprised that essentially 
from Fin2k thru Fin06 no rework and no version hopping is required. And 
from Fin07-08 as well. The only difficulty I had going from Fin06-07 was 
with certain accidental placements that a single edit to the accidental 
definition fixed for all instances.


I would be curious to know what kinds of problems you've seen upgrading 
files in recent versions. I of course use PDFs too. But I generally 
upgrade to the latest version if I need to make changes. In the 1990s I 
would never have done so.


Robert

Johannes Gebauer wrote:


On 15.07.2008 Robert Patterson wrote:


I am concerned specifically that a "reinvented and streamlined"
expression tool will not be capable of upgrading an existing file
without requiring the file to be re-proofed for errors in placement of
expressions.



I must say that doesn't bother me any more. It has been like this with 
almost every single update. I simply save PDFs of the files I am still 
using, and otherwise I simply revise them when I need to. I have many 
files from various previous versions on my computer, and when I need 
them I always spend some time updating them.


However, my needs may be slightly different from yours.

Johannes


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 - what about bugs?

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 15.07.2008 Robert Patterson wrote:

I am concerned specifically that a "reinvented and streamlined"
expression tool will not be capable of upgrading an existing file
without requiring the file to be re-proofed for errors in placement of
expressions.


I must say that doesn't bother me any more. It has been like this with 
almost every single update. I simply save PDFs of the files I am still 
using, and otherwise I simply revise them when I need to. I have many 
files from various previous versions on my computer, and when I need 
them I always spend some time updating them.


However, my needs may be slightly different from yours.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009

[dhbailey]

Fisher, Allen wrote:

Eric--

I'd really like to know who told you that we were dropping Speedy. This FUD has 
been spread on the public forum as well.



I can guess how the rumor got started -- in the promo material for 
Fin2009 on the web-site, on the page dealing with Note Entry, there is a 
tab for Simple Entry, for Hyperscribe, for MicNotator and for Scanning. 
 No mention of Speedy Entry at all.  And since you're making such a big 
deal of all those methods which have been part of Finale for many 
versions and you make *no* mention of Speedy Entry at all on the page 
about note entry, it's an easy assumption that you've decided to drop 
Speedy Entry.  I'm sure there are many more people who use Speedy Entry 
than use MicNotator, yet you make a big deal of MicNotator and fail to 
mention Speedy Entry at all.  For people already spooked by the major 
tool realignment from Finale2008 and who have read the comments about 
how Speedy Entry will eventually be done away with when its 
functionality is moved over to Speedy Entry, this failure to mention 
Speedy Entry is significant.


Blame your publicity department for failing to mention what for many of 
us is the major or only method of note entry.




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Re: [Finale] No more speedy?

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 15.07.2008 Mark McCarron wrote:

I use speedy. Simple confuses the hell out of me.



Personally I think that this is precisely the problem. Simple is 
powerful, and probably easy to use, but for long time Speedy users it is 
simply far to confusing. Before they fix that a lot of long time users 
will stay with what they learned.


Also, to me, at least in 2k7, Simple always feels less solid than 
Speedy, one never quite knows what will happen with the next key press. 
With speedy I can use it blind.


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009

[dhbailey]

Ray Horton wrote:

Fisher, Allen wrote:

Eric--

I'd really like to know who told you that we were dropping Speedy. 
This FUD has been spread on the public forum as well.
  



I think it's been added to the "Barack Obama is a Muslim" email.



RBH



P. S. For anyone else, like myself, who hadn't yet come across "FUD" = 
"Fear, uncertainty and doubt"


And here I thought it meant "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Up Detail."


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Re: [Finale] OT: Music Stands

[dhbailey]

Richard Yates wrote:
 

 Manhasset stands are terrific.


Yes, but the feet are metal with sharp edges on the bottom. They will
scratch a floor (wood, vinyl, etc) very easily. I wrapped mine with moleskin
and it seems to work so far.

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There are after-market rubber foot covers that slip on to protect the 
floor.  I don't know how much they cost.


There are also after-market Stand-Outs which slide over the stand from 
left and right edges and can be pulled out to extend the width of the 
music rack.


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