RE: [Finale] Duplicating expressions
Richard Yates wrote: In the Expression Selection box, when I click on 'Duplicate' I get three new versions of the expression. I recently regraded to Vista and reinstalled Finale2007. It's a minor annoyance, but does anyone have an idea why that is happening? Does your mouse ever triple click in any other application? David H. Bailey Not that I have noticed. And it also happens when I use the keyboard combination to duplicate: 'ALT+P' ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Duplicating expressions
In the Expression Selection box, when I click on 'Duplicate' I get three new versions of the expression. I recently regraded to Vista and reinstalled Finale2007. It's a minor annoyance, but does anyone have an idea why that is happening? Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Duplicating expressions
Richard Yates wrote: In the Expression Selection box, when I click on 'Duplicate' I get three new versions of the expression. I recently regraded to Vista and reinstalled Finale2007. It's a minor annoyance, but does anyone have an idea why that is happening? Does your mouse ever triple click in any other application? David H. Bailey Not that I have noticed. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] note heads
If I had been making such a file I would have simply unchecked stems in display items in the staff attributes. Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: In some [files] I removed the stems on quarter and half notes, leaving only the note heads. I opened one of these files yesterday to save as something else and tried to put the stems back, but could not. I don't remember how I removed them. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Re: rests in pick up measure
I'm really wondering about why we accept some things from notes which we don't accept from rests, such as quarter-half-quarter being perfectly acceptable when they're written as notes but not acceptable when written as rests. Why not? On just this question, and not the other ones debated here, I think that rests mean silence, but they also mark meter; notes mean sound and, while they can also mark meter, they are sometimes explicitly counter to meter as in your quarter-half-quarter example. Silence cannot be counter to meter; sound can. RY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Has Finale's Manual's Index Improved
In Fin2007 it is under Time Signatures, subheading: Multiple Time Signatures. That's the first place I would have looked if I needed to find it. I originally had written to look up INDEPENDENT TIME SIGNATURES in the manual, but realized that, knowing Finale's manuals, I should probably check to see if this was helpful or not. I was rather shocked at how obtuse the manual is -- if you look for INDEPENDENT TIME SIGNATURES (in the 2003 manual), there is no entry in the index, even the user interface has TIME SIGNATURE under INDEPENDENT ELEMENTS in the Staff Attributes dialog. Every discussion of the topic that's ever come up on this list that I can recall used Independent Time Signatures to refer to this feature, so there really is no reason for the manual to cite it with any other term. Secondly, the only way I actually found it was by going to the topic for STAVES (because I already knew how to do it), and finding MULTIPLE TIME SIGNATURES (and it's not so obvious to me that this is the right choice). There *is* a listing in the manual under M for MULTIPLE TIME SIGNATURES, but it doesn't actually link directly in my copy of the manual to the topic, but to the general topic of time signatures. This is typical of Finale's documentation -- a completely lack of coordination between the terminology and indexing in the manual the actual way things are referred to in the UI of the program itself. I'm just wondering if this has been fixed in later versions of the manual. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Importing from Word to Finale
It depends on how many graphics you need. And huge isn't what it used to be. I imported a 2 x 3 1200dpi TIFF into a Finale page. It prints great - entirely professional output. The file size is 2.78MB. With today's storage capacities and speeds that's not a problem. The cover alone (output from Illustrator) of my latest collection is 35MB. RY Although I am sure this works it is not an option for anyone seeking professional output. Also, the file would be huge when you import 1200dpi graphics. On 06.03.2009 David W. Fenton wrote: My experience is that Finale imports (uncompressed) TIFFs very well, and doesn't pixelate them (it can resize them fairly well, though if you make it the right resolution for your printer, you shouldn't need to resize it after importing it into Finale). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Re: Printing Bug?
Then try creating an expression with an imported graphic and just try to drag it to position by the handle, especially on a resized staff. It's like teleportation! Redraw, update layout, whatever, it's always in a different position! Bring the kids over and watch their faces! Yes, this is one of the most annoying residual bugs, and one that you would think could be relatively easily fixed (please, no complaints about this assumption - I realize that it may be more complicated than it seems). The workaround is to universally avoid staff reduction and use system reduction instead. RY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Re: Printing Bug?
The workaround is to universally avoid staff reduction and use system reduction instead. While that might work, it's not acceptable as there are scores where you need to have different staff reductions, e.g., piano chamber music, where the piano is 100% and the instruments are, say 80%. Of course I was not suggesting that using just system reduction was going to be feasible in such cases. But for those that have struggled with the bug and are using staffs that are all one size it is good to know the solution. I completely agree, and suggest to anyone who is annoyed by this to open a case with MakeMusic so they get the point. I complained many times about this to MakeMusic. I see no evidence any longer that they respond at all to such feedback. One interesting historical note is that it this bug was fixed in one version then reappeared later. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] fermata on whole bar in 3/4
Just a single character text expression using the character in slot 85 from Maestro font (slot 117 is the upside-down fermata). You can define it for playback as a tempo change but would have to reset the tempo following it. Now we're talking things I don't understand - how do you get a fermata as an expression? Thanks, Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Speedy wrong octave
Based on the above, it would be worth checking your computer keyboard to see if there is some debris down inside. This may become my favorite response to drop into usenet flame wars! RY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Speedy wrong octave
Based on the above, it would be worth checking your computer keyboard to see if there is some debris down inside. This may become my favorite response to drop into Usenet flame wars! RY Let me add that I do realize your suggestion was serious and, in fact, I occasionally run into a situation - only with Finale - where that might be what is happening. Sometimes when I start Finale and click the score it acts as if the space bar is down and the playback starts. This corrects itself only if I hit the space bar. I don't know if it is debris or a bug (of course, maybe the debris is a literal bug, who knows?). RY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Speedy wrong octave
I have a vague memory of Speedy octave errors at the beginning of measures. I think I found that hitting keypad '0' twice (to exit and reenter Speedy) minimized the hassle. I recall no other details, however. I believe that there was some sort of clef confusion--you enter treble, it gives bass, or some such, and I do believe it was fixed. I can't say that it has bitten me in 08 or 09. But it doesn't matter what the clef situation is -- it happens in systems that have no clef changes in them at all, either before the offending note, or in the measure with the offending note. I can't recall if the circumstances were predictable other than its occurring on first notes of measures. It's the arrival in the frame that causes it to lose its place, whether you're arriving horizontally (right or left) or vertical (up or down). It would be nice to know that it's fixed, as I'm trying to justifying investing in the upgrade, finally. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] another simple (I hope!) question
Open the file in Scroll View and make sure that there is minimal space above the first staff. Select and drag all staves upwards in Staff Tool if you need to. With Page Layout, edit the system margins to remove extra space between staves. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Katherine Hoover Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:22 PM To: finalelist Subject: [Finale] another simple (I hope!) question I generally print on legal paper, in order to eventually have pieces done on 9 x 12 paper at the printer. This means I have to work with systems rather freely at times. At the moment I'm doing a piece for two pianos, and need to get 3 systems on a page (3 groups of 4 staves.) I cannot seem to move the second system at all, and those some others will move and some will not. I took the time to try various things under the page layout tool, but I was not able to solve the problem. Again for some reason this was not a problem in my old Finale program. Also the movement I just finished I was able somehow to work with. But it is patently clear that I don't really KNOW what works and what doesn't, and I'm wasting a lot of time messing around. Any help would be MUCH appreciated. Thanks, Katherine Hoover ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Editing
(It's the same with images. If someone sends you a JPG that you plan to edit repeatedly, you should first open it and save it as a TIF, and then make all your edits to the TIF. When you're done editing, you can export the TIF as a JPG for portability, keeping your source TIF for any further changes. If you edit and save as JPG, you incur loss and introduce artifacts each time.) As I said in another post, I think this is incorrect, also. David Fenton I have heard the first theory and decided to test it. I opened a high resolution photo in Photoshop and saved it with the maximum compression as a jpg. Then reopened it and saved again with maximum compression. After repeating this seven times I can see no further degradation after the first compression. The file size remains exactly the same also. David Fenton appears to be right. (I have no idea if this applies to mp3s, though.) RY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Editing
On 13 Feb 2009 at 23:27, Aaron Sherber wrote: Also -- and I admit this isn't particularly relevant here -- comparing file sizes isn't really an adequate way of comparing the files. You're saying that because one file is only a few bytes bigger or smaller, there can't be much difference between the two. But of course, even if the two JPGs were exactly the same size, the actual data could be wildly different. But I actually *looked* at the files. I maximized the window I was viewing them in, opened all 6, and flipped through them. This meant that they were appearing all in exactly the same location onscreen, pixel for pixel, so that any differences in even a few pixels would have jumped out. There was no visible difference between the files. None whatsoever. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com I did it again with edits (fairly small, e.g. non-clipping, adjustments to brightness, contrast, hue, and saturation) that I reversed on the next pass and did get successive degradation. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Keeping dotted notes...
I just tried this in FinWin2007 and the 6/1 bar split without any problem: see http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/6-1%20to%203-1.gif . Is your signature really 6/1 and not something odd behind the scenes like 3 over double-wholes? -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of dc Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:50 AM To: finale-shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Keeping dotted notes... I'm trying to convert a piece from 6/1 to 3/1 by dividing each measure in two. So I change the time sig and rebar the music. But all the dotted double whole notes (breves) get changed to two tied notes. How can I avoid this, or how can I change them back to dotted notes? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Keeping dotted notes...
Same here. I haven't got allow dotted rests checked but the dotted breves were still retained. Anyway, at least you found a solution. Still puzzling though. Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Align articulations vertically
From your website it looks like you are fingering guitar music. If you want to place the fingering numbers to the left of noteheads easiest is to define the finger number as 'center horizontally' but set the handle's horizontal distance as about -10 EVPUs. Define the articulation with a metatool. When you click on a notehead the articulation is placed at the vertical position of the cursor and an exact distance horizontally from the notehead. Several articulations placed this way are lined up vertically. I have put a LIB file at http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/Articulations12-2008.LIB for you if you want to see how these work. (The fingering numbers also defined with 'whiteout' around them so that staff lines are erased - easuer to read. Check my website http://www.yatesguitar.com for examples of how these look. Richard Yates Anybody know if there is a quick way to vertically align several articulations? I use them for fingerings and want to line up the fingerings for a chord. Thanks Jeff Tanner Funky Bear Music www.funkybearmusic.com funkybearmu...@mac.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Align articulations vertically
A couple of years ago I made a concerted effort to try out Sibelius. I had a lot of input from the Sib listserv and Daniel Spreadbury (sp?). Turned out that neither the whiteout fingerings nor the auto placement of fingerings before noteheads was possible. Those were both deal busters for me. Yes, definitely guitar music. Thanks, I'll check it out your library file. Your music has always had a nice look, so maybe I should look at it as an engraver instead of as a guitarist! I've got some articulation fingerings already defined to automatically be placed in front of the note, but I'll check out your settings to see if they're better than mine. I'll probably change mine to white out as well. I don't remember if Sibelius (which I used on the scores on the site) could white out fingerings, but since I'm moving everything into Finale now, I can use that setting. On Jan 23, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Richard Yates wrote: From your website it looks like you are fingering guitar music. If you want to place the fingering numbers to the left of noteheads easiest is to define the finger number as 'center horizontally' but set the handle's horizontal distance as about -10 EVPUs. Define the articulation with a metatool. When you click on a notehead the articulation is placed at the vertical position of the cursor and an exact distance horizontally from the notehead. Several articulations placed this way are lined up vertically. I have put a LIB file at http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/Articulations12-2008.LIB for you if you want to see how these work. (The fingering numbers also defined with 'whiteout' around them so that staff lines are erased - easuer to read. Check my website http://www.yatesguitar.com for examples of how these look. Richard Yates Anybody know if there is a quick way to vertically align several articulations? I use them for fingerings and want to line up the fingerings for a chord. Thanks Jeff Tanner Funky Bear Music www.funkybearmusic.com funkybearmu...@mac.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] TGTools
Richard Yates wrote: NumLock on? Yes, always. Then my half-vast expertise is exhausted. Maybe others have some ideas. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] TGTools
Is the key still assigned as you want it in TGTools -- Options... -- Key remapper? -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Barbara Touburg Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:29 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] TGTools There's something strange going on with TGTools and my computer: the gray / key doesn't work as the = key anymore. Any solution? Barbara ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] TGTools
NumLock on? -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Barbara Touburg Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:20 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] TGTools Richard Yates wrote: Is the key still assigned as you want it in TGTools -- Options... -- Key remapper? Yes, it is. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale 4-Day Super Sale
The $70 upgrade applies only to 2008. Costs $100 to upgrade from 2007. If they extended it to 2006, I'd buy it... The cutoff is 2007... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Berlin Sing-Akademie Copyright Issues
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:51 AM, dc den...@free.fr wrote: All of Minkoff's facsimiles have a very restrictive copyright notice. Not only do they state the facsimile can't be copied, but also that it can't be transcribed, even partially. I'd be curious to know how much of this is bluff... I can tell you Dennis, that the staff at the New York Public Library are insanely anal retentive about copyright laws. For example, in the music reading room at the Performing Arts Branch at Lincoln Center, if want something copied, you are required to fill out forms, then the staff then looks everything over with a fine-tooth comb, and if they agree, the approving person will stamp and sign the document which you THEN take to a copying room and give to another staff person who does the actual photocopying for you. The librarian I spoke with was very clear about this point in regards to the Saur Verlag reproductions, and told me I could photocopy them, scan them into a USB card, ANYTHING I wanted because U.S. law doesn't honor the ability to copyright such reproductions. She allowed me to copy a symphony manuscript reproduction that was in the Garland series because of this precise point. I think that they are absolutely corrrect. The Minkoff notice on a facsimile edition that I have says: WARNING: This publication is protected by Swiss law on copyright. Any reporduction or transcription - even partial - by any means, is an infringement punishable according to articles 42 ff of said law. It could be that Swiss law is this protective, so I will just transcribe the work all I want and stay out of Switzerland! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] some questions about 2004
1. In 2000, if I entered, say, a half instead of a quarter note, I could simply hit the 5 key on that note and it would change. No more. I have to take it out and do it over. Can this be rectified? Are you using Speedy Tool entry? The behavior has always been that, if the cursor is on a note, then pressing the '5' key changes the duration to a quarter note. Is the problem something simple like not having the NumLock key on for the keypad? Are you in the right layer? Is Insert off? 2. How does one put a change of clef in the middle of a bar? That was easy in 2000. I don't know for sure in 2004. In 2007 you select the Clef Tool and click a measure. The options in the dialog box include 'create a moveable mid-measure clef'. Look in the index under Clef, midmeasure. Then a more sophisticated problem. Two pianos: one in three to a beat, the other in four to a beat. By hand I would put one piano in 9/8 and the other in 3/4 and line up the barlines. From previous experience I presume I will have to put both in 3/4 and use triplets, which is at least clear. Any other options? I think independent time signatures were in 2004. Select the Staff Tool, click the staff, check the box for Time Signatures under Independent Elements. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] laser printer
I am in the market for a new black and white laser printer. Need 1200 dpi. Have always used HP, but open to others. Can anyone recommend based on recent purchase? Quality probably more important than price, within reason. Mac user, need network capability. Good paper handling a priority. Thanks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I have had great luck with my Brother 2040. ajr I second Brother, but cannot give a recent recommendation because my HL-1650 has lasted about ten years without any problems. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] International Phonetic Alphabet
Subject: Re: [Finale] International Phonetic Alphabet From: Allen Fisher al...@fisherartandtech.com David-- Finale is not unicode compliant. What font are you trying to use? Allen and Finale doesn't support Unicode. You need an old-fashioned non-Unicode IPA font. - Darcy - djar...@mac.com Brooklyn, NY and From: Richard Yates rich...@yatesguitar.com Look here: http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/wells/fonts.htm Allen, Darcy, and Richard, Thank you all. I tried using one of the fonts Richard suggested. It still gives me a bunch of rectangular boxes in Finale, and I can't get it to work anywhere in any application. Maybe I'm installing the font incorrectly? I dragged it into the top level fonts folder. That should work, but it didn't. I next tried making sure that it showed up as active in Linotype FontExplorer X. I then tried converting the font to PS with True Blue. I did these in stages, but none of them gave me a font that works in any situation. I tried one of the ipa fonts at that link in Windows XP and Finale and it worked routinely. I can't help with Mac, but it seems to be normal font and the info says it works in MacOSX. Gotta be a way besides importing graphics. This is too much like work! I'm going to use unicode in MS Word to type my three words, export each as a pdf, open them in Graphic Converter, trim/crop to the words and save them tifs, and import those into Finale. At least I know that will work! At this point, it is faster than messing with this. Thank goodness I don't need IPA regularly! Thank you all for your suggestions. I now see why unicode in Finale would be a really nice thing! David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] International Phonetic Alphabet
Look here: http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/wells/fonts.htm Finale doesn't support Unicode. You need an old-fashioned non-Unicode IPA font. - Darcy - djar...@mac.com Brooklyn, NY On 7 Jan 2009, at 2:35 PM, David Froom wrote: I'm trying to enter some International Phonetic Alphabet. Nothing fancy, just a couple of pronunciations for some particular words (unusual words) in a song I'm writing. I want to put these in a text box footnote. Mac OSX 10.5.6 I've tried a bunch of things. I can get the IPA symbols in Word or even Text Edit. But not in Finale. I think I have the font, but the characters don't show up in Finale. I tried unicode input, also copying and pasting from Word (with the identical font). The Finale comes out with question marks. Unicode entry in Finale works, but it gives me different characters than the ones that show up in the Character Palette. And Character Palette insert does nothing. Anyone know how to do this? Other than bringing them in as a tiff? Thanks, David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Updating from Stone Age
Send them to yourself as email attachments? -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Small Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:29 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Updating from Stone Age The suggestion to make PDFs is brilliant-- many thanks. I have done this before, to send a few parts by e-mail when speed was of the essence-- but the power of being able open in (and print from) other apps hadn't fully registered. I can save the files as .ps (File / Compile Postscript Listing) and convert to PDF on the old G3 using macps2pdf (a Ghostview spinoff), but what I _don't_ have is a good way to get files _from_ the old G3 _to_ the new iMac. The old machine has no USB connection, no firewire of course, and it can't burn CDs, only floppies. So my only way to get files from old machine to new is to take the old CPU in to someone who can work his/her magic (for a fee) and transfer data to a CD or to my external HD, from where I can get it to the new iMac. Is there a do-it-yourself way around this? i.e. something like a connector/adaptor _to_ USB or firewire _from_ whatever output the old G3 has (SCSI?)? Thanks, Ch.S. On 4-Jan-09, at 12:12 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: A couple of other points. You don't need any special software to save your Fin2k work as files on the old G3 Mac. You can save them as postscript files, then convert the postscripts files to PDF using Preview on your new Mac. The steps are: 1. On old Mac, choose Laserwriter print driver. 2. Choose Print to File (instead of Print to Printer). 3. In the Postscript Options, check Download All Fonts. 4. Press OK and save the .ps file. 5. On the new Mac, open the .ps file with Preview. It will automatically convert it to PDF and allow you to save the PDF version. On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote: I strongly recommend making PDFs of all your files while you still can run Fin2k. Upgrading the files will almost certainly require extensive re-editing. I recently wanted to enlarge a Fin2k piece from 8.5x11 to 10x13. Ultimately it was quicker to enlarge the PDF rather than going back to the source Finale doc. On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Charles Small curmudg...@xplornet.com wrote: Hello, I have been happily using Finale 2000c on an antique G3 beige desktop machine running OS 9.1. Have just acquired a shiny new iMac (2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo iMac, 250 GB HD, 1 GB 800 MHz DDR2 SDRAM) running OS 10.5.4. I've got my old Finale files transferred to the new machine, but of course I can't run Finale 2000c on it, and I would therefore like to update Finale to run on the new machine, in one fell swoop if possible. What are my options? And what will my old Finale files look like opened in a new version? Am I looking at extensive revisions, file-by-file? TIA for all advice! Ch.S. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo iMac, 250 GB HD, OS 10.5.4, 1 GB 800 MHz DDR2 SDRAM ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] stem direction
Speedy, L -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Lawrence David Eden Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:24 AM To: FinaleList Subject: [Finale] stem direction Currently suffering from a brain freeze: How do I change the stem direction on a single note? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] SCORE V. 5.0
I got this from another list: Only within a few hours of the end of the year, Leland Smith announced the availability of Score V. 5.0, the first upgrade of this professional music typesetting system since 2001. And this time, it works in Windows and is called Winscore. For the time being, it is only available as a beta+upgrade. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] SCORE V. 5.0
-Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Kim Patrick Clow Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:53 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] SCORE V. 5.0 Richard Yates rich...@yatesguitar.com wrote: Only within a few hours of the end of the year, Leland Smith announced the availability of Score V. 5.0, the first upgrade of this professional music typesetting system since 2001. And this time, it works in Windows and is called Winscore. For the time being, it is only available as a beta+upgrade. I asked if this is a complete package, without having to add several plug-ins / fixes, and reading a million manuals to get the program to work. I'm curious to try Score, but when Iook at some of the questions and answers on the Score users list, it seems too complicated for me. But the Scorers are all excited, I've seen several replies sending in their checks immediately ;) Even Windows-ready, it would need major overhaul to be worth switching - starting with the ability to use fonts instead of the one that is built and drawn with line segmanets. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Easiest / Best way to copy into Finale
Photoscore Professional works really well also and it reads PDF files also. I just got finished scanning in some music and it did a remarkable job on much of it. Then I just exported to XML. Jeff Tanner I tried the Photoscore Professional demo this morning and found it to be far superior to any music recognition software that I have tried before. I retract what I have said recently about music recognition software. The only barrier now is the price ($249) and not the quality. RY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale - inputting 8th notes and no beams are appearing -why?
Most likely because your time signature is something like 3/8 and you entered that with the Time Signature Tool as 3 eighth notes instead of as 1 dotted quarter note. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Fischer Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:06 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Finale - inputting 8th notes and no beams are appearing -why? Any suggestions? there's no answer at Make Music today. thx, Jim :: j i m f i s c h e r :: p r o d u c e r :: m u s i c b o x p r o d u c t i o n s :: v a n c o u v e r, w a, u s a :: www.jimfischer.net -- :: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jimfischer.net *((( ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] OT
I don't know Mac, but in Windows the camera chip that you read in the computer is just another memory device to which you can save files. Files from any source can be saved to the chip and the chip then plugged into the frame. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean M. Estabrook Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:26 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] OT Hmmm ... I would hope that I could access files already in my iPhoto, not only ones just created in the camera. Seems like there must be a way .. Thanks, Dean On Nov 25, 2008, at 8:03 PM, Allen Fisher wrote: With most of them (at least the last time I looked...), you take the memory card out of the camera and stick it in the frame. On Nov 25, 2008, at 3:17 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Inre digital picture frames ... I'm totally a tyro on the topic, can one of you multi-talented listers let me know how, exactly, does one transfer JPEG files from a Mac to such a device? Directly via USB, or via a flash drive up to which such images have been loaded ? ... any favorites in mind? Thanks, Dean Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong. R. Buckminster Fuller ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong. R. Buckminster Fuller ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] SmartScore Lite Problem
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David W. Fenton Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 1:36 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] SmartScore Lite Problem On 22 Nov 2008 at 16:16, David W. Fenton wrote: I think I'm going to use SharpEye for now and see how bad the pastes are. Well, it turns out the SharpEye trial allows you to scan multiple pages, so it seems it's going to work fairly well. However, I must say the user interface is completely abominable -- it looks like it was designed in 1993 and not updated since. Yes, that was my experience. No shortcuts, just lots of mousing back and forth to pick tools to clean errors. Very inefficient. But it's *very* frustrating application in terms of how badly designed it is. I'm simply not going to spend money on a program that is so hard to use, especially when, apparently, the new version of SSL in recent versions of Finale is good enough. But it did save me time for the current project, given that I don't *have* a recent version of SSL (and I don't recall if new versions of SSL import lyrics or not). Working from a piano plus voice score I found it took me far longer to clean up errors in SharpEye than entering notes from scratch. Not ready for primetime yet. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] SmartScore Lite Problem
I am browsing public domain pdf files from CDSheetmusic to see what might transcribe for guitar. In light of this week's discussion I downloaded SharpEye and PDFtoMusic Pro. Using SharpEye was convoluted because the it needs TIFF files. I had to: 1. Convert the protected pdf files in the Adobe PDF printer driver as a graphic file (which is what they are anyway). 2. Open that file in PhotoShop 3. Save as TIFF 4. Opened in SharpEye. 5. Process in SharpEye 6. Save XML from SharpEye 7. Open XML in Finale. Sharpeye made enough errors that were awkward enough to correct that it was not faster than entering the music from scratch into Finale. And even if it were marginally faster, it is far more aggravating and stressful to do compared to breezing along in Speedy. As posted earlier, PDFto Music Pro, did not work at all on a bitmapped graphics pdf file. Overall, for me, music scanning software is just not yet up to saving me any time. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] SmartScore Lite Problem
It was. Specifically to test it in the situation I (and possibly David) might want to use it, namely: paper directly to Finale. But PDFtomusic Pro sounds interesting, too, considering how much music we're sucking out of the internet in digital form these days. I do not have pdftomusic pro but from what I read at its site, it will not be helpful with many of the pdf scores that you download. Its advantage is that it reads the vector-based shapes that scoring programs generate. Scanned pdf scores, such as those produced by CDSheetMusic are entirely bitmapped graphics files. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] SmartScore Lite Problem
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David W. Fenton Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:29 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: RE: [Finale] SmartScore Lite Problem On 18 Nov 2008 at 9:52, Richard Yates wrote: I do not have pdftomusic pro but from what I read at its site, it will not be helpful with many of the pdf scores that you download. Its advantage is that it reads the vector-based shapes that scoring programs generate. Scanned pdf scores, such as those produced by CDSheetMusic are entirely bitmapped graphics files. SmartScore doesn't scan the PDFs directly (or, at least, the version I used doesn't), but requires TIFFs, so there'd really be no difference for SmartScore. I don't know how PDFToMusic works, but it may be doing a TIFF conversion internally so it wouldn't make any difference if the PDF uses fonts or graphics to depict the music. It reads the pdf vector graphics. Not good for scans, which are bitmapped. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] SmartScore Lite Problem
In the past (over a year ago), I've been able to open scanned tiffs in Finale 2007. I could not remember how to do it this morning, so I went to the Manual's Index and that's where I found the instruction to Go under File and select Smartscore Lite. That should have opened a window to allow me to add the tiffsor so the manual said. I had already tried importing the tiffs, but no luck. You are right about the extra work that is required to get the scans into a usable finished score, but I would like to know how you get your scans into Finale. I've always gotten the scans in in the past...just not today. So, if you have time (before I reinstall Finale 2007)... That's where it sholud be. If that menu item is missing you probably should reinstall. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Howell Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 6:09 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History At 2:03 PM -0500 11/14/08, Andrew Stiller wrote: James McKinnon, who taught a course on this at SUNY Buffalo back in the '70s, made the important distinction of realistic, but not real. A major example of this is a famous painting of St. Cecilia at the organ, in which the lengths of the pipes increase linearly from low to high instead of exponentially from high to low. Ah, but that's because the artist needed a diagonal line going in that direction! But exponential? I don't think so. Or perhaps I don't understand how exponential applies in this case. Yes, exponential. http://www.math.ucdavis.edu/~kouba/Math21BThomasDIRECTORY/Exponential.pdf Pipes arranged in a decreasing series of half tone steps do not increase in length by a constant amount (which would make the profile of their ends a straight line.) The difference in their lengths gets larger and larger and so makes a curved profile - an exponential curve. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History
Yes, exponential. http://www.math.ucdavis.edu/~kouba/Math21BThomasDIRECTORY/Expo nential.p df Pipes arranged in a decreasing series of half tone steps do not increase in length by a constant amount (which would make the profile of their ends a straight line.) The difference in their lengths gets larger and larger and so makes a curved profile - an exponential curve. OK, my math-starved brain can follow that reasoning, but do they not increase in length by a constant PERCENTAGE (as opposed to a constant LENGTH)? Yes, that's right. And so the amount of increase increases at every step. I thought exponential dealt with powers of 10 or some such thing. (My daughter is the math whiz in the family; she certainly didn't get it from ME!) It does have to do with powers but not of 10. Each half tone increases by the twelfth root of 2, which is 2 to the 0.08333 power, which is 1.0594. Multiply 1.0594 times itself 12 times (for 12 steps in the octave) and you get 2 (i.e. twice the frequency, or one octave). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale 2008b fermatas
If the flipped fermata is not in the articulation definition you can add it: Place a fermata. Double click the fermata to open the Articulation Designer box. Click on 'Flipped...' Select the inverted fermata (it is slot 117 in the character set.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Banner Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:02 AM To: Finale Subject: [Finale] Finale 2008b fermatas In the last measure of a piece, the keyboard part has in layer 1 a double whole note with a fermata over the double whole on the first beat, while in layer 2 there are several notes finishing out the measure, with a fermata needed on the final note on beat 3. I need to have an inverted fermata for this note in layer 2. When I used to use Finale 2003, there was both a right sight up and inverted fermata in the articulation tool. In Finale 2008, I only see the right side up fermata. Is there any way I can get the inverted fermata here? Thanks, Martin Martin Banner [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alliancemusic.com/peopledetails.cfm?iPeopleID=22 http://hinshawmusic.com/search_results.php?keyword=bannersearch=Search http://collavoce.com/search.php?cmd=searchmode=normalwords=Banner http://sbmp.com/SeeItNowFolder/SeeItNowMen.html http://carlfischer.com/Fischer/search.cfm?cfT=cfC=BannercfID= http://lorenz.com/results.aspx?srch=quickcid=Martin+Banner ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] [OT] The correct notes in diminished chords
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stig Christensen Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:28 AM To: Finale List Subject: [Finale] [OT] The correct notes in diminished chords Hello, From time to time a find my self wondering about how to spell a diminished chord from e.g. D#. Is it D# - F# - A - C ? What are the rules? Are there any? Spelled in isolation it would be by stacking minor thirds as you have done. Diminished seventh chords as incomplete dominant ninths can resolve normally to any of three tonics. How the diminished seventh is spelled depends on what the resolution is. Your D#-F#-A-C as a B major ninth without the B resolves to E major or E minor. Spelled Eb-F#-A-C it goes to G major or minor. (Before accepting my response please wait a bit until those here more knowledgeable than I can weigh in.) Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] getting rid of bar lines
Staff Tool - Staff attributes - uncheck barlines' in items to display. OR In Document options set their width to 0. OR Use the measure tool, click on a measure and pick what you want for that measure. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:43 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] getting rid of bar lines anyone know how to get rid of bar lines? Vivian Vivian Adelberg Rudow December performances: December 15, 2008, CALL FOR PEACE, Andrea Ceccomori, flute and tape, Festival Musica Experimento, Rome. December 5, 2008, 7:00PM, The Baltimore Museum of Art, music related to the Franz West exhibition, piano, cello and saxophone, Baltimore Composers Forum www.vivianadelbergrudow.comOctober performance: THE BARE SMOOTH STONE OF YOUR LOVE, Gita Ladd, cello, Clinton Adams, piano, Algernon Campell, choreographer; Amanda Fair and Timothy Phelps dancers, October 18, 2:00PM, Baltimore Museum of Art, Baltimore Composers Forum Recent performances: CALL FOR PEACE, Rose-Marie Soncini, flute and tape, Beijing, China International Congress on Women in Music, April 19, 2008, China Conservatory of Music. ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/ aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustr av0001) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Fingering using articulation tool
One of the problems with libraries is that as far as I know there is no way to import a set of metatool assignments. This means that you may very well have all the fingering articulations imported as a library, but you still have to go through and hit shift 1 and then select the 1 articulation to set up the metatool for the 1 fingering, and repeat on different keystrokes for each imported articulation. Metatools ARE saved with the file, however, so you can design articulations and then make that file your default template. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Fingering using articulation tool
I would like to be able to add fingerings using the articulation tool in WinFin 2004, but can't figure out how to do it. I have read the manual, but I can't figure it out. Can anyone help please? I can't remember if I've ever done this before. David McKay Can you be more specific? After choosing the Articluation Tool, clicking on a note, and then on Create... what problem do you run into? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] no note heads, just ledger lines
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Blane Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:01 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] no note heads, just ledger lines On Oct 15, 2008, at 2:49 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On 15-Oct-08, at 15-Oct-08 2:50 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: I need to show ledger lines without note heads or stems. I'm trying to do this using staff styles, but my efforts are unsuccessful. I've also tried deleting the note head using Special Tools, but the ledger lines become shortened. I need full-length ledger lines. I can't adjust the length of ledger lines in Document Options because there are places in the document I will have regularly notated notes and ledger lines. Any suggestions? Ryan If you need to do this more than a couple of times, I suggest making a shape that auto-places itself. Otherwise, the Smart Shape Tool, at 400% magnification, will do what you need, but it will be very fussy. Once done, you could copy it easily from one measure to another. Just watch to see if it shortens and lengthens with the measure width. This is way too fussy. You create a staff style to not display stems and change the notehead to a blank character (spacebar). Done ___ Right. Use character #202 not #32 (which shortens the ledger lines). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Staff names on every page - how to??
Edit the 'Abbreviated staff name' in Staff Attributes giving it the name that you want to appear. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Fischer Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 8:58 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Staff names on every page - how to?? How do I get the staff names to appear on every page - just left of the staff? thx Jim Vancouver, WA ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] joining layers
Well, except the number of instances where one would want, and be able to combine layers is probably pretty small, since every vertical duration in all layers much exactly match. The moment a you have a single disjunction in durations, you are right back to needing two layers, or two voices. My most common use of implode is as the first step in producing lute tablature. The whole point is to merge the disjunction in durations. Imploding layers would be very helpful. RY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] joining layers
How is that any different from combining multiple saves, as the existing implode already does? I'm with Johannes: it seems obvious that if you can do it for staves, you can do it for layers. David W. Fenton I seem to vaguely remember someone here soundly scolding me for assuming how easy it would be to make modifications to Finale's features. That said, I agree that it does seem that imploding layers could be implemented. In fact, I assume that it is a mechanical data manipulation that Johannes or others could design a plug-in to do. RY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: Thank you Allen (lengthy) [was: Re: [Finale] TGTools]
A fine letter, David, and a good summary. I would add only MakeMusic's very peculiar pattern of not cleaning up the small bugs that would seem to be easy to fix. It gives the impression that they are either continually overwhelmed or above embarrassment. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhbailey Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:18 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Thank you Allen (lengthy) [was: Re: [Finale] TGTools] Allen, Thank you very much for your well-reasoned responses in light of sometimes vitriolic postings (I plead guilty.) I very much appreciate your membership on this list and your participation in these discussions as well as the fact that the company is allowing official presence on this list. I've been trying to figure out why I am so upset by these things, and I finally realized yesterday evening that much of my anger comes from the feeling that I've been betrayed by Coda/Net4Music/MakeMusic. I have invested heavily in the product and thus in the company (although I don't own stock in it) over the years, having spent between $80 and $120 each year (until this year) in support of a product I had great confidence in. That means that I have invested approximately $1600 over the years (initial purchase plus upgrades). Yes, in exchange for that investment I have had the use of the program with improvements, but I could have stayed with my initial $400 investment, put no money further into the company and still been using that original version. Or I could have leapfrogged a lot of the interim versions and bought only a couple of them over the years, spending much less to support the company. But each year the company has asked for my money and my support and until this year I have given it, having seen the preceding couple of releases do nothing to improve my work with the program. I have also seen the increase in major issues with each new release over the past several releases and that is what I feel betrayed by. The perceived arrogance of the company with its annual update schedule, which is publicized as if it's the best thing since humanity learned to write music, in the face of shipping programs with major problems which it turns out are known about at the time of release but which the company refuses to acknowledge until/unless someone raises a fuss, is really bothersome. The hobby-horse of SmartMusic and the company's perceived push of that product, in light of the fact that it is still the notation products which keep the company afloat, marginilizes all the notation product users and thus the annual supporters of the company. Reading the annual reports, the company readily acknowledges that the quarter where the release of the new version of the product is the best quarter, and acknowledging that it is the new version of the *notation* product which is the cash-cow for the company makes the company's focus on SmartMusic all the more puzzling. i found it curious that in the annual report for 2006 MakeMusic included two graphs right next to each other, which at first glance shows that MakeMusic is huge winner over the notation products. On closer inspection, however, it turns out that the SmartMusic graph is a chart only of the numbers of users, with no indication of income production, while the Finale graph is a chart only of income production without any indication of the number of users (units sold.) When two graphs of a companies products are placed side by side, as if in comparison, wouldn't a company which isn't trying to hide things use the same basis for both charts so an adequate comparison could be made? If notation really is the money-engine for the company, they should put whatever development team together that is required to ensure that the only bugs in any new release are minor bugs (which I will readily admit all programs have and I do understand how hard they are to squash). Additionally, the company should allow for longer periods between upgrades when significant major changes are made to basic functions of the program. Linked-Parts still isn't working as well as the advertising implies (nor is it living up to its full potential yet) and the new change in the PI for expressions obvsiously needed more time for full and proper implementation. Instead the company *appears* not to put such importance on the new release, figuring that we'll buy the new version no matter what and will be happy when they get around to the interim update which fixes the most egregious of the bugs which shipped with the original release. The company, in its annual report, speaks of all the libraries of publishers it has licensed for SmartMusic. Knowing as little as I do about how businesses work these days, I do know that no publisher will license its library for such usage without money changing hands and thus MakeMusic paying a licensing fee
RE: [Finale] MAKEMUSIC greed strikes again
And it just seems rather rude of you to assume you can peer into their shop and tell pontificate about whether they are doing the right thing in allocating developer resources. David W. Fenton And how is this different from assuming one can peer into David Bailey's mind and pontificate about his intentions in asking the question? RY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Well Tempered Clavier as Finale of Midi file
Best MIDI site is http://www.classicalarchives.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johannes Gebauer Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:30 AM To: Finale Subject: [Finale] Well Tempered Clavier as Finale of Midi file I have been asked to re-engrave a few numbers from the Well-Tempered Clavier. Trying to make my life easier, does anyone know of a clean Midi or Finale source? I need more from the second part... Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] EPS and Word
I haven't followed this closely since I am on WinXP not Mac, but I was curious about the issue. Here's a little test I did: -Exported a page from Finale as EPS (including fonts and TIFF preview) -Imported and placed that graphic (reduced in size) onto the original page. -Exported THAT page with the graphic as EPS. -Imported THAT graphic (again reduced in size) onto the now modified page. The result was a Finale page with four layers of EPS graphics. I exported that page as EPS and placed it on a blank page in Word2003. Last, I printed the Word page to the Adobe PDF printer driver that was installed by Acrobat Professional 8. The result was very impressive, I thought. The smallest, and most often imported/exported section of the page is as clear as the rest. All curves are smooth at maximum magnification (6400%). Check it out at: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/FromWord.pdf Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Any Igorians?
Their server sends me periodic automated emails so someone is still paying the electric bill. I never bought the program (wasn't it supposed to be free forever?) but I have kept my address on their list just to see how long it keeps going. I imagine WALL-E discovering the server sometime in the distant future. RY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Pivot monitor recommendations?
I have a Syncmaster 204 that I like a lot. I got mine for about $300 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Williams, Jim Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:38 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Pivot monitor recommendations? Friends... One non-crappy outcome of the flood at my house is that I get to upgrade some of the equipment that got washed away. I want to replace one CRT I had with a 21-22 or bigger LCD monitor with pivot capability so I can see a full orchestra or band page--in portrait orientation--at a decent size and use my existing monitor to view K2 or other stuff. What should I look for? Avoid at all cost? My only criteria are 21-22 or bigger and pivot capability. I don't need other fancy addons. Thanx in advance for any advice. Jim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Score Binding Question (OT)
FORTY part choral piece ...? My curiosity is piqued ... what is it? Presumably the famous (and very good) Spem in alium nunquam habui of Thomas Tallis. I'm not sure how you could transcribe it for band without losing the stereo effects that make a big part of its effect. Andrew Stiller Use a marching band? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Speedy entry
You know, I've really tried to understand this particular complaint, and I'm afraid I really can't. When we did everything by hand we all, always, entered duration and pitch simultaneously, right? (Placement on the staff = pitch; note shape/color = duration.) Well, no. First you move your pen to the pitch, then you draw the duration. These are two distinct steps that can be done in only one order. So why should one way be better than the other (whatever better means)? It isn't as if we're hardwired by nature to think one way or the other, is it? No, we are not hard-wired, just highly practiced to do pitch then duration, whether in copying or playing. Maybe it's just something that can't be explained, a disinclination to learn new methods, but heck, everything I DO on a computer forces me to learn new methods!!! Sure. I could learn Simple and the reverse order of entry, but I have no need to and the attempts that I have made at it have been brief but frustrating. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] OT: Music Stands
Has anyone got a link for these? http://www.swstrings.com/Store/Shopping.jsp?Category=AccessoriesSubCategory =AnyGroup=M48SO ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] OT: Music Stands
Manhasset Floor Protectors, package of 3, $3.99. Thanks for the tip. And this popped up when I was ordering a set from Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/6ee9lz Almost all good reviews. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale 2009
I looked further for my own sake just now, and not having upgraded to 2K8 will cost me an extra $50. I don't think so. That's an offer I CAN and will refuse. Same here. Sticking with 2007. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale 2009
Looks like Engraver Slurs are finally fixed: Sure if that's what they mean by fine-tuned and improved :-) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale 2009
Looks like Engraver Slurs are finally fixed: Sure if that's what they mean by fine-tuned and improved :-) Well, it specifically says edits made at high view percentages always produce the same results when viewed at 100% and when printed, which sure sounds like that longstanding and very annoying bug has been fixed. I was commenting on their euphemistic language. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: DON'T TEST: Re: [Finale] copying reel to reel tapes
You can hear a different sort of pre-echo or distortion on some long LPs because the grooves are close together and the stampers push the walls of the neighboring grooves of the soft vinyl. Interesting. I always assumed that it was either because of the tape masters' print through or because the 'other side' of the wall of the groove made the thickness vary and hence resonate differently than if it were smooth. Kind of like tapping on a wall that has a hollow space behind it. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Scanning
I have the standard scanning software supplied with WinFin 2006 which I am using with an Epsom 3490 Photo scanner You have to take the advertisements with a grain of salt. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] tie end missing - 2nd try
Christopher Smith écrit: But the fix is the same. Put a forward tie on the note, then reverse it with the Special ToolsTies. OK, but how does one reverse a tie? The only settings I see are for flipping it or changing the contour. Use the Tie Tool and drag the right end to the left. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Copying width between docs
I am a Finale user since v1.0 in 1887 That must have been the H.G. Wells signature model PC. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] beaming composite time signatures
In the composite time sig boxes check 'use EDUs' and enter 1/1536, 1/1024, 1/1536 Richard Yates I'm writing a piece which uses groupings of 3+2+3 eight notes. I've created a composite time signature and got finale to display it as 4/4. However when I enter eighth notes using speedy entry there are no beams ,unless of course I use the forward slash. I've tried the rebeam command in the utilities menu but gotten nowhere. Is there a way to set it up so the beams are automatically entered? Mark McCarron ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Inches in the ruler
In FinWin2007 it's in Edit Measurement units I have FinMac 2007. For the life of me, I cannot find how to change the ruler display from epvu units into inches. I searched the OL manual, and found something through the shape designer box (which doesn't apply), and it seems to not to have a setting in document options. I miss the old control that used to appear under the view menu, where you could quickly change all the displays in the file from epvu to inches to points. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] layer problem
In the treble clef, I have two parts, each in its own layer. The two parts are frequently a M or m second apart. Finale always puts the note with the stem down to the left, so that the two stems are on the outside of the note-heads, rather than aligned together on the inside of the two heads. I've been manually moving the heads and stems, but I would rather not have to if there's a better way. In light of many other things Finale automatically does correctly, this behavior seems odd. Before entering notes, make sure that in Document - Document Options - Layers, layer 1 is set to stems up and layer 2 is set to stems down. Enter layer 1 as the higher of the lines and layer 2 as the lower. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Making blanks from existing files
I have done this a number of times and I sometimes encounter file corruption problems when converting older files into newer versions of Finale. Tangentially, I am finishing up a project that I approached with great anxiety: concatenating 25 Finale scores from 12 years of Finale versions (3.0 to FinWin2007!) and then standardizing everything to be uniform for publication. I ran into hundreds of headaches (mostly from early bizarre font decisions) but no major problems at all. It was actually refreshing to be reminded of how much the program has advanced. Those of us who have been at Finale for a long time should occasionally remember the nightmares with page layout, spacing, etc. that are nearly effortless now. Gratefully (for now), Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Inf Loop
It does not do that if the staff is not the bottom one in the system: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/repeats.jpg I just tried, but I got weird missing bar line: http://www.a-no-ne.com/temp/test.jpg What did I do wrong? - Hiro ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] what does a copyist do?
I've worked with composers who at fist insist that the music be done exactly as presented... A combative business! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] OT: None Finale question for computer buffs
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 03:33 AM 2/20/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand, and experience seems to bear this out, that computers running under WindowsXP will gradually run slower and slower over a period of time. You might try a Registry cleaner such as the one at: http://www.liutilities.com/ . Try their RegistryBooster2. Whenever I run it, it finds dozens of things to tidy up. There are also free performance scans at that site. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Help files
Why open pdf files with IE instead of with Acrobat Reader? Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] playback of multi instrument staves
I have never needed to do this before, but I am working on a wind ensemble score and, for the usual practical reasons, there are some staves with more than one instrument. Is there a way in Finale to assign two midi channels to a staff - upper and lower notes? Only if they are in separate layers. Click on the drop down arrow to the left of the staff name in the instrument list. The staff line expands to show the different layers. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] My Day to Feel Like a Fool
In 2008, in order to reduce the number of complaints that have been received about document settings features (despite MakeMusic's selfless and energetic attempts to satisfy all customers), document options are no longer available :-) Question 2. Now that I've installed 2k8 (Mac) and am poking around in it a bit, the first thing I've looked for and can't find is Document Options. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] MIDI problems
Mac G5 MOTU 2 IN 2 OUT interface MIDI keyboard Finale 2K7 Finale can't find the MIDI. He gets a message that Finale is looking for the MIDI but that it can't be found. We see the MIDI icon when we go to MIDI SETUP... When he tries to use Speedy, he gets nothing but rests. I have no idea if this is related, but every time that I start Finale, even if all the MIDI setup has been done correctly before and I am opening a file that played fine, I still have to go into MIDI / MIDI Setup and click on OK to get MIDI input/output to work. This is on Windows, though. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] MIDI problems
I have no idea if this is related, but every time that I start Finale, even if all the MIDI setup has been done correctly before and I am opening a file that played fine, I still have to go into MIDI / MIDI Setup and click on OK to get MIDI input/output to work. This is on Windows, though. Wow, in all the versions of Finale I've used over the years, all on Windows, I've never had to do that. I wonder what would be causing that for you? Who knows? It might be that I am using an M-Audio Delta Audiophile soundcard with a possibly faulty driver (they say they cannot make one for Windows Media Edition - I thought I was playing it smart by avoiding Vista but I guess Media Edition has its own Microsoft proprietary pains). It is not a big problem (now that I know about it) but was a huge hassle when I was trying to configure everything originally. Richard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] OT - Extracting single pages from a multi-page PDF document
Hi, not having the whole Adobe PDF software but only the reader, what can I use to extract single pages from a PDF document (I did not create it, I got it as it is. I need that to send single pages via e-mail. Get inexpensive pdf producing software. I recommend the $40 'Convert To PDF 1.0' ( http://www.peernet.com/convert-to-pdf/index.html ). Open the file in Acrobat Reader and print to the converter with the option set to make separate pages. (...or send me the file and I will return it as separate pages using this method.) Richard Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Default File
Lawrence, Go to 'Program Options - New', to see where the default file is and what it is named. Save changes there using the same name (use the .FTM suffix). Cousin Richard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:29 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Default File Hi all, I am using WinFin2006c I want to change the settings (eg bar line width, ledger line width) for the default file which opens every time I create a new file with the file wizard. I thought this was the Maestro Default file (Am I correct in this?) If i am, then could someone please tell me where to find it. The programme options would suggest that it's in the general templates, but I can't find it listed. I did this before in a earlier version of Finale but am getting nowhere fast this afternoon! Thanks, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] O.T. Barenreiter? How do they do it?
Finale blocks access to the Windows taskbar. Clicking on the taskbar I suspect it's a multiple monitors issue. I've seen similar problems with other apps, including *Microsoft* apps (usually versions of MS programs that predate WinXP, though). I have experienced it with Fin2007 on XP2 (only one monitor). Systems tray and Start button don't work, but I can click on another running application and then back to Finale and everything works. Annoying sometimes, but not fatal. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] O.T. Barenreiter? How do they do it?
SCORE engravers claim to be superfast (once they spend the necessary years of apprenticeship memorizing hundreds of number codes). And the question is why do engravers use Score? I think it's an almost religious question... Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] O.T. Barenreiter? How do they do it?
Thank you, thank you, Barbara! I thought those were long gone. Richard Yates (aka Claude C. LaRisse) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Touburg Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:33 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] O.T. Barenreiter? How do they do it? Yes. Williams, Jim wrote: home.wanadoo.nl ?? (period after home, not slash) yes? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Performance notes - text notation excerpts
I have just done it all in Finale with blank notation (except for the excerpts) and text boxes. It is convenient to have it as part of the whole Finale file. There are some limitations of Finale text formatting, but it really is fine for most uses. Actually I have done whole books entirely in Finale in which text boxes covered whole pages. Handier and less hassle than what you proposed. RY -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Israels Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 10:32 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Performance notes - text notation excerpts Collective wise ones: What is the best way to create a page of performance notes that includes text instructions and small (one measure) musical excerpts? Can a word processing document (formatted with musical inserts) be dropped into a Finale page in toto? I have not had to do this before and am looking for advice. TIA Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] test
Test (no mail for two days) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
In Windows, the Print dialog box, where you select a printer, has a checkbox for 'Print to file' Aaron Sherber écrit: That would surprise me, but I believe you. I wonder what would happen if you picked a real printer that was set up to print to file. I'd try it out but how do you set a real printer to print to a file? Or could you try on a Scorch file and let us know? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
There's a $.99 piece on this page: http://www.sheetmusicdirect.us/search/browseByStyle.do?browseByStyle=Classic al I'm curious about this. Is there somewhere I can try playing with a Scorch file, for a buck or two? Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Posting delays
The recent question about quarter-eighth tuplets received five responses (all with the same answer, by the way! Go team!) within a short time. Mine arrived very soon after I sent it and the others could not have been unduly delayed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark D Lew Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:57 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Posting delays I had a message rejected the other day. I don't remember what it was. I just remember getting the bounce message and concluding it wasn't important enough to resend. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Tuplets
In Speedy: CRTL-3, 4 [sets eighth as basic unit], left-cursor, 5 [changes eighth to quarter], 4 [adds an eighth]. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Horman Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 10:19 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Tuplets Greetings all, I'm using FIN 07 on an XP system. I have used Finale for years. I'm stumped. I need to create an eighth note tuplet with the first note being a quarter and the second an eighth. I can make it with the first note an eighth and the second note a quarter but not the other way. I just can't seem to figure it out. Thanks for any help. Ted Finale 2007 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] MIDI keyboard and soundcard suggestions?
I use a Kurzweil PC88mx keyboard, hooked up via midi through my Audigy2 soundcard using a loaded soundfont and there's no noticeable latency. Using the same keyboard, same attachment through Virtual Sound Canvas softsynth there's horrible latency. Using my keyboard to enter notes into Finale or Sibelius, the notes show up immediately and sounds occur immediately. Can you hook up your keyboard via midi to your Audigy? -- David H. Bailey Thanks for the suggestions, David. My Soundblaster card is an X-Fi Xtreme Audio and does not have a MIDI connector. It requires a separate module for that and that does not seem to have MIDI connectors either - just RCA jacks. It looks like Audigy 4 needs the same. I don't know how to do MIDI jack to RCA jack. What is the jack/cable that goes from your Kurzweil to the soundcard? RY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] MIDI keyboard and soundcard suggestions?
Can you hook up your keyboard via midi to your Audigy? -- David H. Bailey Thanks for the suggestions, David. My Soundblaster card is an X-Fi Xtreme Audio and does not have a MIDI connector. It requires a separate module for that and that does not seem to have MIDI connectors either - just RCA jacks. It looks like Audigy 4 needs the same. I don't know how to do MIDI jack to RCA jack. What is the jack/cable that goes from your Kurzweil to the soundcard? My audigy came with 2 mini-DIN plugs and adapters which allow me to plug in regular midi cables to those mini-din jacks. And it's got two sets of those, one on the soundcard itself and another pair on a connector-box which sits in an empty drive bay to allow easy connections. Thanks, I will look around to see if the Audigy 4 has that. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] MIDI keyboard and soundcard suggestions?
I have been very dissatisfied with a keyboard (Behringer UMX61) that I bought recently because of the irritating latencies between key press and sound. I thought I might get used to it, but have not been able to. It plugs into a USB port (Windows XP) and perhaps that accounts for the problem. What combinations of MIDI keyboards and sound cards have you used that you recommend? Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] MIDI keyboard and soundcard suggestions?
And even there, the problem isn't always the soundcard drivers -- softsynths often have incredible latency issues when trying to play them live, since the soundcard or USB keyboard driver gets the keypress, has to pass that information on to the softsynth which has to get that sound's data from memory and pass that onto the CPU to be processed, then that gets passed to the soundcard to be sent to the speakers. For extremely low-latency while using soft-synths (such as Finale Soundfont or GPO playback) an extremely fast CPU with tons of RAM is required. Running a midi keyboard directly into the soundcard to play the soundcard's built-in synth (even if the sample are held in RAM such as with Creative Audigy soundfonts) is very direct and unnoticeable latency. Once a USB keyboard is added into the mix a bit more latency creeps in, and once a USB keyboard along with softsynth playback such as through Finale/GPO, a lot more latency is introduced. David H. Bailey My keyboard can also be set up to use direct MIDI into a soundcard (an M-Audio Audiophile 2496), then to Finale and out to Audigy Extreme with a soundfont loaded. I cannot really hear much improvement from routing the keyboard in through USB, but it may be a bit better. CPU is 2.4GHz with 2GB of RAM. Does anyone have a setup with Finale and a MIDI keyboard that has minimal latency? Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Sib5 competitve upgrade is available for $80
I also just ordered it for $85. Consider that this is significantly less than the 2008 Finale upgrade that many of us have passed on. I know that Sib5 does not have a couple of features that are mandatory for me, but I am more optimistic that the features will be added someday than that Finale will fix its bugs. Richard Yates http://www.audiomidi.com/Sibelius-5-Professional---Competitive-Upgrade-P980 3.aspx?cpid=2872 Follow that link if you're interested in investigating Sibelius. The competitive upgrade has never been cheaper. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Re: Finale '08
- I am a long term amateur user (with six books published). - I will not upgrade to Fin2008 (the first I skipped in ten years). - I ill be reluctant to upgrade to 2009 unless bug fixes are made. - I check out each new Sibelius version to see if it can do what I need. Richard Yates -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Wolf Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:41 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Re: Finale '08 I've just reviewed most of the posts dealing with Finale '08, and -- following what appears to be a consensus around here -- have decided to stick with '07 until notice of further improvements in known bugs. I also took a look at some press statements on the MakeMusic site announcing quarterly results. Two aspects of those statements are striking: continued losses, and the importance of notation programs (relative to other products) in the income stream of the company. Clearly, this is a company that cannot take a publicity hit with its prestige notation product. From my own informal count on this list, at least twenty established, long-term, professional users have indicated that they are not switching to '08; most of them indicate that bug fixing is their main concern, several of indicated a move to a competing product. Perhaps it would be useful to document the number of such users more precisely and use it as a form of leverage to encourage MakeMusic to concentrate on improving the product's present functionality before adding other features. I believe that most of us here would really prefer to be loyal Finale users, but the benefits of Finale appear for many of us to have been outweighed by the disadvantages. Would it be possible now, from the list membership, to get a more accurate sense of the number of us who are (a) a long-term, professional users of Finale, (b) have serious concerns about bug fixes, and (c) iare either skipping an '08 upgrade or switching to a competing product during this cycle? Daniel Wolf ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] test
test ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Expression placement in Finale 2008
A composer in Italy that I know has asked me about a problem with placement of expressions in Finale 2008. I have not upgraded from Finale2007 but told him that I would forward the question to this list. I assume he is referring to expressions and not text. Any suggestions that I can send to him? Here is his note: Dear Richard, could you help me please with a problem I have since when I upgraded to Finale 2008? It happens with dragging text expressions and text (A). When needing to reposition a dynamic mark or a tempo direction or a metronome mark, some strange default - which I do not control - after my dragging replaces the mark in a preset position. With previous versions of Finale, one could drag a mark or a text everywhere in the measure. Now it seems it became impossible. Have you an issue about how to get rid of this constriction? Thankyou very much. Best wishes. Yours Sincerely, ag Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
