RE: Parelli video Buck Brannaman in CO
This message is from: Tori Seavey natrlho...@hotmail.com I have the worst time posting to this list, sorry guys. Buck Brannaman is coming to LuAnne Goodyear's place in Wellington (North Ft Collins) CO in May, off Owl Canyon Rd. She is a friend and has indoor and outdoor arenas to accomidate changing weather. It is always interesting to audit if a person wasn't sure about riding in it. His approach would be much different and direct than the Parelli approach, following the teachings of Ray Hunt and Tom Dorrance. I would say that the horse in the Linda Parelli video is doing only exactly what she has asked him to do. What makes it most sad to me is that he already has a built in foundation of being hand-fed and pushy and so when he is uncomfortable (you could say scared or stressed) he looks for comfort right in the lap of the handler where he has always been rewarded and praised in the past. This is why the horse is trying to climb into her lap at the start rather than running away from the assault, most horses that weren't conditioned to seek comfort on top of a person would have been in the next county rather than put up with that. This is a very tolerant horse in the video in that he did not digress to rearing, striking or kicking in defense and evasion. Unfortunately I have seen as much digress rapidly with other Parelli certified trainers treating horses the same way. I would like to know why Pat PArelli has been so quiet on this matter, perhaps he realizes that Linda's response digs a deeper hole than none at all. This is interesting to watch this landslide because any horse person could be in this same position, taken out of context or not. I would hope that this video with its thousands of views inspires horse people to at least stop and ask someone what are you doing? if they don't understand or see a horse being mishandled in the warm up arena. There is no place for poor feel and timing in good horsemanship, sure people are always learning but this stuff is being taught to hundreds and what kind of example is that for future horse enthusiasts? This may not be a case of acting out of frustration, but it is certinaly a case of make the wrong thing difficult, and more difficult and more difficult. How about make the right thing easy and make it obvious? Here is a little video that my mentor put together of a different approach based mostly on the teachings of Bill Dorrance, that I think stands in stark contrast. If a horse can operate this way then why would a person need to flail the rope around and use so much pressure? A horse can feel a fly land and twitch one muscle to shoo the fly away, how much noise to we need to make to get the message across. Here is something to try at home to get a feel for the difference. Have a friend hold one end of your lead rope and tap it lightly with one finger, then have the person snake the rope back and forth and compare the difference. See what *leftrightleftrightleftright* feels like to the horse and what part of that clearly gives a direction? You can also have a person give the lead rope a firm unexpected jerk while you hold the other end tightly and note how you respond, you will tense up, bracing against the pressure, hold your breath and even pull back away from the jerking rope, just as a horse would respond. See just how much unneccesarry noise people make with their equipment without thinking and how that translates to the horse on the other end of the line. I think all this pummeling the senses really dulls horses down and that can create a dangerous horse because you never know when that bottled up energy is going to make it to the surface. Wouldn't it be nice to have clear communication where you could pick up the lead rope or a rein and it had meaning every time? This is not a trained demo horse, this is just any horse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nqzj1fFYT0 The sound on this makes a very good point as well. Tori Seavey http://www.snowyridgeranch.com _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Parelli Video
This message is from: Roger and Carol Watkins watk...@mhtc.net Hi, I would like to make a few comments about the Parelli video that is causing all the uproar on Youtube. The segment in question is from the Parelli Level One program and was taken out of context. The horse in question was huge, had no respect for his owner and was out of control. This is when Linda took over. The rope shaking is to get the horse to pay attention and to move back to a safe distance. The swats on the hind quarters with the rope are to get the horse to move his hindquarters away. The slaps on the side of the head are to get the horse to turn away from the handler. This particular horse had only one eye and may have been one reason he was all wound up. In the end, which was NOT shown, the horse was standing quietly at a respectful distance, eyes on Linda. It is too bad that there weren't other trainers who could have shown how their methods might have gotten similar results in this extreme case. I have used the 7 games to work with my adorable, but very strong willed Fjord, but have never had to escalate to the level shown in the video. I'm curious to know how others, who object to these methods, would have handled this horse. By the way, I am one of those little old ladies that Meridith mentioned. I had my mare in training for four months, I took lessons on her and also a lesson horse. She was ridden by 3 different trainers and behaved beautifully. I paid for an additional 24 lessons (ridden by a trainer) for my horse on the trail - alone and with other horses. Bottom line...I dont ride because I realize that I no longer have good enough balance to remain on board if she were to step to the side unexpectedly. My dream did not come true, but I still love her and enjoy her from the ground. She absolutely does not walk all over me. Respectfully, Carol Watkins Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Parelli video
This message is from: Vicki Johnston vjohn...@bellsouth.net Linda Parelli has posted about the video on her blog, and the horse owner has responded as well. www.parellinaturalhorsetraining.com/A-statement-from-Linda-Parelli Vicki Johnston Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Parelli again
This message is from: Steve Sessoms ssess...@charter.net Debby miss.am...@earthlink.net wrote: Why do you have horses? It doesn't sound as if you like your horses. I'm sad for you, if this is how you feel about your horses. But mostly I'm sad for your horses. I hope that you can get with some of your friends and do something positive with your horses to make them happy horses and to make you feel better about having them. Please do put the whip down. I don't believe the whip was meant as a means to threaten, but an extension of ones leg and an extension of ones arm. I'm afraid the term whip is missunderstood. I never carry a bucket of grain, nor hand treats, but I have lots of hugs and rubs to give and that can do wonders for the ponys and for yourself. Take time for them, with them. ~ Hi Debby, Don't feel sad for me or my horses! I understand perfectly the two uses for a whip: 1) to use as an aid to cue a horse, 2) to deliver a quick 'bite' much like a lead mare would do when a horse misbehaves but without the damage she could inflict. If I go out to carry an armful of hay to the barn with my little herd of horses following me, I would be stupid to not carry a whip. They would be very rudely snatching mouthfuls! While I turned to yell at one horse another would be grabbing the hay and most likely pulling a full flake of it to the ground! With a whip, all I have to do is wave it, or at most smack a chest with it no harder than I would my own denim clad leg, and they respect me as I carry hay to the barn ... shrug, what's the big deal? Most of the time I find myself in a pickle and wishing I had remembered to bring my whip out! Now, my point was, my Parelli friends horses simply wouldn't treat my friends so rudely to begin with! I carry buckets of feed to Solly and Dorina twice a day, and they do love being fed! I do not need to bribe them with food. I can call them to me or walk up to catch any of them at any time with very few exceptions. Oh, and my ponies pester me endlessly when I go out into their pasture with or without food, the same as yours, but it isn't because I am their leader and they just want to be with me, it is, I feel, because I amuse them! How does that make them unhappy? And no, I do not spend enough time with them as I should, but ask them if that makes them unhappy! The time I do spend with them is full and happy, and they are very well behaved (usually) and I love them and they do enjoy my company ... like I said, I amuse them. And I do get myself and my ponies out with friends to goof off in arenas and to trail rides in Bankhead fairly regularly in good weather. I just don't spend a fraction of the time with them as my more accomplished horsey friends spend with theirs. What did I say to make you think for a minute that my horses are unhappy? You must be reading things between the lines that I did not write nor even hint at. Please, reread my post, I took great pains to make myself understood ... Meredith Sessoms Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Parelli again
This message is from: Gail Russell g...@zeliga.com I just ordered Parent Effectiveness Training for my stepdaughter and son and daughter, to help with raising their two kids. The discussion about Parelli reminds me of the primary admonition made by Thomas Gordon (the author of Parent Effectiveness Training).it is to use I statements, not You statements. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Parelli again
This message is from: kngould kngo...@earthlink.net Well said Meredith: my two Friesians and two Fjords are well loved by farrier and vet alike; and I never have a problem asking someone to feed or turn out for me. Everyone is so impressed with how light, sensible, and personable my horses are. I've done the Parelli 7 games with all, but only went thru Level 1 completely with one of them. Yet they are willing, well-behaved and respectful. Yet they are very loving and playful as well. I live in a horse town and I still get compliments on my boys! Kim - Original Message - From: Steve Sessoms ssess...@charter.net To: FjordHorse-L fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:14 PM Subject: Parelli again This message is from: Steve Sessoms ssess...@charter.net I see a whole lot of bashing Parelli and natural horsemanship movement by folks who don't seem to know a whole lot about it. I know several horses whose people have taken them to level 3 or 4 Parelli ... these are happy, beautiful, darling horses anyone would be proud to know or own. They are soft in the eye with their people and unlike most horses they follow their people around like puppy dogs! It is an amazing relationship these people have developed with their horses ... simply amazing! Horses are not supposed to be completely relaxed beside you at all times, they are supposed to respect you and look upon you much like they would a good alpha mare in a herd. In fact, almost all my horsey friends in Alabama are Parelli students and all have happy, well behaved horses. A lot of the bad comments I have read about Parelli are complaints about horses owned by little old ladies with spoiled rotten horses except when they play the 7 games badly ad nauseum, and afterwards they let the horse walk all over them, and then they are afraid to get on their horse and ride! There is some truth to that, but that is people who don't understand Parelli's own teaching! Judging all Parelli fans by that is like if I judged all Quarter Horse, Arabian, Walking Horse, show jumping or pulling contest people by the ignorance, bad handling, and abuse I have seen over the years ... and believe me, I have seen a LOT of it. I have also seen a lot of good handling and riding at these events. The 7 games aren't something you do over and over and over for three years until your poor horse is sick of the sight of you. You practice the 7 games every time you handle your horse from the ground and every time you ride your horse. They are simply getting control of your horses feet and mind whenever you want to position him beside the mounting block, move forward for the farrier with a touch of a finger, have him bravely check out a scary bag on the ground, safely leading your horse through a strange gate without that panic state they can get into, loading into a trailer as smoothly as they walk into their stall ... everything you ask your horse to do can be made easier by the 7 games when learned and applied properly. The 7 games are mostly things every excellent horseman since prehistory has known. If you are a student of natural horsemanship it isn't written in stone that you must lunge your horse just like John Lyons does it, or ask for a lead change just like Ray Hunt instructed, or insist with vehemence that your carrot stick isn't a whip, or that you must carry a carrot stick! Even the gurus of the movement found their own way in their own time like we all do. They learned and chose those tidbits of information and things learned through their own experience that worked for them and the horses they handled. I do understand some of the complaints about the movement, the promotion and all that, but I do not understand all the flack about the instruction they give. I wish my horses loved and respected me as much as my level 3 and above Parelli-trained friends horses love and respect them. I only get that much love when I carry a bucket of feed or when they are in the mood to be amused ... the respect, only when I have a whip in my hand. =( Maybe my story would be different if I spent the time with my horses they spend with theirs with similar knowledge and goals. Meredith Sessoms Tooksend Farm Moulton AL Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Parelli stuff
This message is from: Debby miss.am...@earthlink.net I only get that much love when I carry a bucket of feed or when they are in the mood to be amused ... the respect, only when I have a whip in my hand. Meredith. This last part that you included about yourself. Why do you have horses? It doesn't sound as if you like your horses. I'm sad for you, if this is how you feel about your horses. But mostly I'm sad for your horses. I hope that you can get with some of your friends and do something positive with your horses to make them happy horses and to make you feel better about having them. Please do put the whip down. I don't believe the whip was meant as a means to threaten, but an extension of ones leg and an extension of ones arm. I'm afraid the term whip is missunderstood. I never carry a bucket of grain, nor hand treats, but I have lots of hugs and rubs to give and that can do wonders for the ponys and for yourself. Take time for them, with them. Debby Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Parelli Clinic
This message is from: Heather Baskey cavy_l...@yahoo.com If an instructor ridiculed you - then he should be reported. There is membership feedback on instructors. I always send in a review whether it was positive or negative. Instructors are not permitted to criticize or ridicule - they can get in deep doo-doo for that! They are instructed to ALWAYS make it a positive experience and riduculing someone is out of bounds!!! I have NEVER been advised not to wear a helmet by my Parelli Instructors, nor fellow Parelli-ite friends. Take a peek at the link I just sent from my Play Day yesterday - we ALL ride helmets while we ride. On the ground no (which btw can be just as dangerous), but in the saddle - YES. Heather Parelli clinic here, the instructor ridiculed me for wearing a helmet, saying that Parelli teaches you and your horse to be safe and Parelli students don't fall off __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Re: Parelli Clinic
This message is from: plumg...@pon.net plumg...@pon.net You are correct! Maybe that remark will be the catalyst to all of us to think about expanding our helmet use even further. One problem is the shade. Here is a Troxel Western hat that looks better than ones I have seen previously. http://www.smartpakequine.com/ProductClass.aspx?productclassid=6921 Here is a huge visor that looks like it might be better than the others I have tried. http://www.smartpakequine.com/ProductClass.aspx?productclassid=5446cm_sp=RVP -_-ProductClass-_-EquiVisor However, I think it might be a stretch to get Clinton Anderson into this one. Gail On the ground no (which btw can be just as dangerous), but in the saddle - YES. Heather ___ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Parelli on helmets
This message is from: Heather Baskey cavy_l...@yahoo.com I recently wrote to Membership Support as I wasn't impressed by a certain letter (still never validated) that was circulating on the internet. This was the response that I received (yes, official validated statement) from Parelli HQ. Heather ~~ Dear Heather, Thank you very much for your email. We understand your concern about safety and helmets and we are grateful that you took the time to email us so we can better address the issue. Our goal at Parelli Natural Horsemanship is to make the world a better place for horses and humans, and a critical component of that goal is safety. We support any protective gear - including helmets - that gives the rider a safer experience, and we require children under the age of 18 and recommend beginners wear helmets no matter the circumstances. We encourage each rider to thoroughly evaluate their situation, enroll in a training program and research and consider all available protective gear and safety procedures. Thank you for your support. Sincerely, Parelli Natural Horsemanship From: plumg...@pon.net plumg...@pon.net I ever went to a Parelli clinic, I would ask them what their insurance company thinks about their stance. Gail __ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Parelli on helmets
This message is from: Karen McCarthy weeg...@hotmail.com Heather, (Below) is the original post I saw from Patti Shores. It was posted on the CDL, then it went to several other Blogs/Lists, Fugly included. Patti is a very real person who is active in the NW driving community. She drives appaloosas and lives nearby in Wa. state. We have been at the same events a few times - i know her by sight, but I am not a 'friend'. Irregardless, this letter was not some 'Scopesian' Internet hoax intended to embarrass or discredit the Parellites. It was for real. Happy Halloween, watch out for the Kool-Aid served by the Parelli Faculty ;~) Karen in Oregon Posted by: Patti Shores slidinspots@ gmail.com slidinspots Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:09 am (PDT) I am sending this to a couple different groups as I feel it is important to get the word out to potential Parelli followers. As many of you know, I am currently recovering from a brain injury from a fall from a horse this summer. This was a green horse but he spooked while I was getting off, something any horse could do and the odds of a serious accident on a horse finally caught up with me. One thing I have noticed is an ad for Parelli and Linda is jumping a horse bareback and no helmet. Also while I was bedridden I watch a couple of his episodes and he had a a young person who was physically disabled riding without a helmet and it was obvious her balance was not good. I sent a letter to Parellis asking them to please advocate the use of helmets. This is their reply, which I think is totally STUPID coming from professionals. Patti - w.Washington (Here is the reply from the Parelli Faculty) Hi Patti, Thank you for taking the time to write us. We understand your views and concerns. As quoted by the faculty at our ranch: You are quite right - helmets are fabulous things and they save many lives. Tragically though, people who ARE wearing helmets also die or suffer serious head injuries in accidents with horses? Our program is intended to address the safety problem at its root - which is behavioral - rather than address the symptoms of it. Our message is about developing the relationship with the horse, and the savvy level of the rider, so that unsafe behavior is addressed long before the rider gets on the horse rather than allowing the unsafe situations to continue to occur and hope that the helmet, body protector, etc, will protect us from the consequences. The reason you do not see our people wearing helmets is because we try to teach people that rather than be brave because they are wearing a a helmet to protect them, they would be better off not riding until their horse is behaving safely. People have called us brave for not wearing helmets, but we say they are a lot braver than we are. We would not get on their horse until we had addressed the issues that cause it to behave in unsafe ways. We hope this helps, From the Faculty, Parelli Centers Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:04:58 -0700 From: cavy_l...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Parelli on helmets To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com This message is from: Heather Baskey cavy_l...@yahoo.com I recently wrote to Membership Support as I wasn't impressed by a certain letter (still never validated) that was circulating on the internet. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Parelli on helmets
This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com Well, the clinic I went to here was a number of years ago (still using the first Level 1 packet, and I think they have changed a lot since then (hopefully) I know that they have changed their bits and bridles, and you can no longer get the Level 1, 2 etc. kits on their website. I am glad they are evolving! Jean in Fairabanks, Alaska, partly cloudy and cool: 30 degrees This message is from: Heather Baskey cavy_l...@yahoo.com I recently wrote to Membership Support as I wasn't impressed by a certain letter (still never validated) that was circulating on the internet. This was the response that I received (yes, official validated statement) from Parelli HQ. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Parelli / Helmets ect.
This message is from: pedfjo...@aol.com Come on now Gailgive Parelli a break. Hes taking an even tougher ride of it on most horse forums these days for that helmet stand. ( if that was even possible ) Must say that 100 % I have learned something from every horse guru marketing their wonder products and themselves out there. Love the answer that John Lyons gave to a guy at Equine Affaire a couple of years ago when asked how do you ride horses that buck ? John said, I dont know.I dont ride horses that buck ! ; ) McWethy gave me driving lines once, signed by John Lyons himself. Have to admit to losing the penned signature during the first rain training day. It was cool while it lasted though. Shrake is a nice guy. Gave him a ride into the arena once on our carriage when we gave driving demos just before his packed audience at the UT. Horse Expo. Thats when my mare blew up sky high from being seperated from her little baby ( Hansal, 10 yrs old ) and didnt care to drive single that day. ; /Yep, first blow out / temper fit in her whole life and in front of about 200 people. Dennis Reis is pretty good but a bit like watching paint dry. Zz. Then he totally loses me with more stupid expensive gadgets for sale than even the Parelli camp provides. Clinton Anderson with his little Keith Urban accent and that Gwano ( sp ) Pony Boy can take off their shirts anytime, but the day Parelli took HIS off ( gag ) and threw it into the crowd like he was Elvis or something, I checked him off my list of favorite whisperers It was just after he rode his horse bareback into a 2H trailer while he hung on and swung in the doorway to thundering applause. Now, THERES what you want to teach a bunch of newbies. No helmet of course. HIS horses dont spook. ; O Lisa Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Henry’s Official Parelli Level 1 Audition T ape
This message is from: Heather Baskey cavy_l...@yahoo.com A very special thank you to my friend Chris â who after a hectic day at work AND battling hours of traffic â never wavered from her offer of videotaping Henryâs Official Audition. The sun was beginning to set, my nerves were fried â Chris told me to breathe/relax and encouraged me that YES I CAN do this. All I can say is that 10 minutes FLIES by ⦠tick tock tick tock â get those compulsories in and add some stuff ⦠and POOF â itâs over ⦠time out!  Although, I had this all mapped out on paper and in my head - there were several improvisations along the way ;-) Half the dirt ring had pools of rain water (not great for some of my gear) and my idea of doing squeeze/sideways over poles/tarp fell apart when Henry decided it was much more fun and satisfying to tear apart the obstacle - LOL!!  It is 10 minutes in length - so if you are on dial-up, it will take time to spool.  I am finalizing the paperwork and sending everything off today to Parelli for my Level 1 (Red Savvy String!). If I bombed, fine â I will get useful feedback and try again. Henry was great as usual and it was VERY interesting to watch the playback. Subtle moves on my part and he was picking up on them â so now just from watching the video, I realized how I need to finesse myself. VERY good learning experience â no matter what happens on the Parelli Examination end.  Oh - and I couldn't figure out how to add music, or eliminate the audio - so just chuckle along with Chris (videographer) when Henry, is well ... just Henry :-)  Heather  Hopefully this link works ⦠see below:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbBU1p6lpGA __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Halter/Hackamore Sizes - Parelli Equip.
This message is from: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, For those who are owned by Fjordies and use the Parelli equipment, what size Hackamore/Halter size do you use? I currently have the regular size, but it is rather snug. There is the Warmblood and Draft options. Before I go ca-ching ca-ching with all the Holiday Specials; I wanted to poll the audience to see if anyone out there is using the Warmblood option size and/or those who are using the Regular size, is it as snug as mine? Heather Playing Naturally with bestest pony pal, Henry http://digilass.wordpress.com __ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Halter/Hackamore Sizes - Parelli Equip.
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The horse size is just a smidge smaller than I would like, and the warmblood size is just a bit larger. I use the horse size on Della Ree, and just have enough room to tie it, and use the warmblood size on Joe (who has a larger head) and have more left over than I'd like (the knot ends up close to his ear). I really should learn to tie my own!! Heather, I sent you a pic of the two side by side with their halters. Kate In a message dated 11/17/2008 8:38:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For those who are owned by Fjordies and use the Parelli equipment, what size Hackamore/Halter size do you use? **You Rock! One month of free movies delivered by mail from blockbuster.com (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212639737x1200784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r.email_footer) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Halter/Hackamore Sizes - Parelli Equip.
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Out of curiosity I checked out this item on the Parelli site. It seems no different than a regular good rope halter, and the knots are all adjustable, so I am wondering about the sizing issue? You can loosen and adjust them as needed. It appears they just add-on a 21' long yacht rope, tied w/ a hackamore knot so you have a set of reins a mecate. Of course it is convenient that this set up comes pre-tied, but they do include tying instructions on their site, so conceviebly you could tie your own. (I admit I'm absolutely no good at this and have a friend's friend tie the mecates onto bosals for me!) FWIW:Dave knows a fellow in Hermiston, Or. who makes really nice stout rope halters but instead of having a tie, it has a neat, if old fashioned (?) what I would call an 'auction style' halter clasp ( I have seen them on cheap cotton rope halters). This hardware allows for a loop of halter rope to pass thru the cast metal opening and hook securely. Makes it a easy task to halter a horse as there is no knot to tie, or having to explain to someone how to! I appreciate it especially when wearing gloves in winter. The crown is adjustable w/ an extra knot on the opposite side. Dave is a shoer and has had more than a few big horses sit down and pull back and the hardware has not busted. He gets a bunch of them once or twice a year for his shoeing clients. If anyone is interested Dave is putting in an order soon, email me and I will let you know about pricing. :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:32:41 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Halter/Hackamore Sizes - Parelli Equip. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com This message is from: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, For those who are owned by Fjordies and use the Parelli equipment, what size Hackamore/Halter size do you use? I currently have the regular size, but it is rather snug. There is the Warmblood and Draft options. Before I go ca-ching ca-ching with all the Holiday Specials; I wanted to poll the audience to see if anyone out there is using the Warmblood option size and/or those who are using the Regular size, is it as snug as mine? Heather Playing Naturally with bestest pony pal, Henry http://digilass.wordpress.com __ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, Just wanted to update you (almost a month later from the original question - how time flies) that every journey does begin with a single step. I cannot believe how this summer has flown by and how Henry I have moved along in our journey together. I continuously journal in my blog which helps out a great deal to map our progress and where we started and where we are now. It seems so unreal that only 10 weeks ago I was coaxing a 2 year old into the barn. That seems so inconceivable now as Henry is just so into the routine and so part of his new family (the herd and humans). In 10 weeks, we have 5 of the Parelli games going very well (out of 7) and working on our 6th this week. Although I have absolutely put NO time limit on our training - I just might get 7 games in 3 months on a blank slate. HUGE for me - I am in NO way a horse trainer!!! and Henry has been an absolute joy to work with (despite the challenging, putting on the brakes moments - LOL!!!). Iam LOVING the Fjord experience Thank you to ALL who helped me along the way when I posted the Question for PNH folks. PNH and non-PNH replied with awesome suggestions and I appreciated all replies. Heather Henry Playing Naturally ... http://digilass.wordpress.com __ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: Vicki Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another thought that I should have shared. Kjerstin had decided that she would not get on the trailer while at the Parelli center. I worked with her for two hours and finally started to feel my emotions coming up (not a good time to try and accomplish anything!) Then one of the instructors worked with her for a while before she decided that Kjerstin was going to need Kaffa - the head of the instructor staff and the recognized trailer expert! It was a big learning experience for me to watch Kaffa work with Kjerstin. It's not about the trailer! She was so fast in thinking of things to ask Kjerstin to do that were varied and very quickly placed one after another. Yes, I can do that, yes, I can, yes, yes, and so forth to build up a pattern of yes before going to the trailer. She got her on and she worked with her again the next morning and now she thinks the trailer is personal party palace! I have a hard time being as quick as Kaffa in thinking of varied things to build up a long pattern of yes, but it was definitely a confidence builder for Kjerstin and helped her overcome whatever was bothering her about the trailer. Vicki Mims, Florida The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vicki, what a great and interesting story! A friend of mine just sent two of her horses off for training. One is a LBI/LBE (yearling) and the other is a RBI/RBE (the mother mare). The filly took 20 minutes to load (and that was her FIRST time on a trailer!!!) and the mare 2 hours (not her first time!). The gentleman doing the loading was the PNH trainer and he was just fabulous to watch. His cool, calm, demeanor and his attitude of taking the time it takes, to take less time was inspirational to state the least. When you have the opportunity to watch someone with a lot of savvy work it out - it's just inspiring to state the least. As an update, the past 3 days Henry I have been doing alot of undemanding time and working on certain thresholds that he has (something that I should have worked out a few weeks ago). Never the less, better now than never. He really appreciated the undemanding time and has a more keen expression in his eyes. He also had his first visit today with the farrier (who is PNH) and Henry passed [i.e., he was a good boy] :-) Henry has been with me for 7 weeks now and is settling in so incredibly well. Loving the Fjord experience!!! Heather Henry Playing Naturally ... - Original Message From: Vicki Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Friday, August 1, 2008 7:24:42 AM Subject: RE: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks This message is from: Vicki Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another thought that I should have shared. Kjerstin had decided that she would not get on the trailer while at the Parelli center. I worked with her for two hours and finally started to feel my emotions coming up (not a good time to try and accomplish anything!) Then one of the instructors worked with her for a while before she decided that Kjerstin was going to need Kaffa - the head of the instructor staff and the recognized trailer expert! It was a big learning experience for me to watch Kaffa work with Kjerstin. It's not about the trailer! She was so fast in thinking of things to ask Kjerstin to do that were varied and very quickly placed one after another. Yes, I can do that, yes, I can, yes, yes, and so forth to build up a pattern of yes before going to the trailer. She got her on and she worked with her again the next morning and now she thinks the trailer is personal party palace! I have a hard time being as quick as Kaffa in thinking of varied things to build up a long pattern of yes, but it was definitely a confidence builder for Kjerstin and helped her overcome whatever was bothering her about the trailer. Vicki Mims, Florida The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: jgayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not very original, but when my mare was six months I started encouraging her into the trailer by placing a half an apple just far enough in the trailer that she had to reach for it. This went on for several months of moving the apple forward. (not every day) She was really stretching to get the apple and eventually put her front feet in. Then she was stretching to avoid the back feet but eventually gave in. She stood in the trailer to get the apple and I left the door open for probably six or seven times of her getting in. Then when she was fully in the next time, I shut the doors. There was some screaming and rocking but she quickly settled down with an apple. No trouble after that, altho she was cautious of getting into other trailers, not often. Jean Gayle Author of: 'The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: Ronda Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a home aprox 10 miles from the Parelli center in Citra Fl. The house is empty now (I have it up for sale) but there are 3 bedrooms, two baths and 3 fenced horse acres. (no barn or shelters) There is also a RV electric hook up at the bottom of the pasture. Anyone interested in renting it for a bit can certianly call me. Ronda Nelson 541 592-5143 - Original Message - From: Vicki Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:10 PM Subject: RE: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks This message is from: Vicki Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Heather, I find that with Kjerstin, treats are a great motivator. She is left-brained extrovert, and when all else fails, she will try to tackle anything for treats. Of course, this tells me that I am not being provocative enough, because she really isn't that concerned, just deciding if she is bored enough to try and play me and see if she can make me think she is concerned. She is so, so smart, and a bit of a drama queen if she thinks she can fool me. She entertains herself that way - Mom is so easy to fool, it's ridiculous! A really good tool for us has been the Parelli ball. I only bring that out occasionally, and if I leave it out for her to check out, it has a mind of it's own and on a windy day, will explore all by itself. Then, I go get the ball and push it around and get her to follow. She usually gets so intrigued that she can't help herself. She has seen it move around by itself, but Mom can control it, so can I? She usually ends up following it, pushing it, trying to stomp it, and having a good time. So, I probably haven't helped a lot, but Parelli is loads of fun with Fjords. They are so smart, they just love it. I guess my advice is that if you haven't tried treats, see if that miraculously overcomes the hesitation. Kjerstin will try anything for treats, unless it involves a jump, which is too much effort for such a measly prize! She prefers to show me just how far she can stretch and still not fall on her face, which I usually find pretty impressive! I took Kjerstin to the Parelli center in Ocala for a two week ground class in Jan-Feb of 2007. It was truly the best vacation that I have ever had. The atmosphere at the Parelli center is very positive and supportive. I learned a lot and I really left there with a good understanding of Kjerstin's horsenality and it has proved to be worth every penny. We really bonded through the experience, and I have never had a horse that made me feel like she enjoys me as much as I enjoy her. If there is any way, you can go for a ground class, go for it. They now offer one week experiences, but the two weeks was well, well worth the time and the money. Have fun with Henry, and I promise you that you will find a lot of enjoyment in your Parelli time with him. :-) Vicki Mims, Florida The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, Looking for advice from Parelli Students who have Fjords. I am working on Level One with my new 2 year old. He is smart - boy oh boy - that's for sure!!! and sometimes (well, quite often), I think he is playing me. Anyhow! when he is unsure of something, instead of the usual spook that I am used to from other breeds - Henry simply puts on the brakes and stands there. S - how do I use approach and retreat to get him used to strange objects, when the brakes are on. We're talking really good brakes - so the good ole' approach and retreat lesson doesn't work at all!!! Then ... to continue the saga. There are times where he will spook (or invert - head high, back dipped) and so I go to the friendly game and that is OK for him. Other horses I have worked with, relaxed totally in the Friendly Game ... Henry? could care less at times. So - in summation, if there are any folks (could be non Parelli students who know what I am talking about too) to get a braked Fjord moving through an object he wants nothing to do with - my ears are wide open!!! Heather Henry Playing Naturally __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: kngould [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've gone thru level one, but not with my fjords; still I know what you are talking about. Both my guys just put the brakes on, but I can usually back them up, turn them around, circle and try the approach again, and hopefully get alittle bit closer each time. Finally they get tired of the whole circle around and try again, and I can usually get them to approach, touch, and ignore. - Original Message - From: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fjord Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fjord Horse Fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks This message is from: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, Looking for advice from Parelli Students who have Fjords. I am working on Level One with my new 2 year old. He is smart - boy oh boy - that's for sure!!! and sometimes (well, quite often), I think he is playing me. Anyhow! when he is unsure of something, instead of the usual spook that I am used to from other breeds - Henry simply puts on the brakes and stands there. S - how do I use approach and retreat to get him used to strange objects, when the brakes are on. We're talking really good brakes - so the good ole' approach and retreat lesson doesn't work at all!!! Then ... to continue the saga. There are times where he will spook (or invert - head high, back dipped) and so I go to the friendly game and that is OK for him. Other horses I have worked with, relaxed totally in the Friendly Game ... Henry? could care less at times. So - in summation, if there are any folks (could be non Parelli students who know what I am talking about too) to get a braked Fjord moving through an object he wants nothing to do with - my ears are wide open!!! Heather Henry Playing Naturally __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: Fiona Lindsay-Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED] Heather, I had a non fjord who did that too me. If it was something that was small and I could easily hold while holding the parelli lead line; I would pick it up and approach the gelding and rub him with the object and then would retreat. And slowly work your down to Henry's legs. Hope this helps. ~Fiona (Level One Graduate) 1700 Dogwood Mile Laurinburg, NC 28352 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C) 603 359 0150 --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks To: Fjord Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED], Fjord Horse Fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 2:11 PM This message is from: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, Looking for advice from Parelli Students who have Fjords. I am working on Level One with my new 2 year old. He is smart - boy oh boy - that's for sure!!! and sometimes (well, quite often), I think he is playing me. Anyhow! when he is unsure of something, instead of the usual spook that I am used to from other breeds - Henry simply puts on the brakes and stands there. S - how do I use approach and retreat to get him used to strange objects, when the brakes are on. We're talking really good brakes - so the good ole' approach and retreat lesson doesn't work at all!!! Then ... to continue the saga. There are times where he will spook (or invert - head high, back dipped) and so I go to the friendly game and that is OK for him. Other horses I have worked with, relaxed totally in the Friendly Game ... Henry? could care less at times. So - in summation, if there are any folks (could be non Parelli students who know what I am talking about too) to get a braked Fjord moving through an object he wants nothing to do with - my ears are wide open!!! Heather Henry Playing Naturally __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks to all who have replied to date. I appreciate all responses as they open up new avenues how I can approach this challenge. I have found that I do have to ask lightly (or lighter) at times, as Henry will sull up if asked with too loudly. He certainly isn't dull and can be quite sensitive at times - but he can also be very naughty (for the lack of a better word) and ask me the question, if I really mean it (doing this, or doing that)! Sometimes it is hard to discern if he is unconfident of what I am asking, or confident of it and just not willing to do it, as per my request. I am getting better at reading him - so hopefully the more that I can interpret his body language, I can determine if he requires confidence building or motivation (Henry being predominantly a LBI)! Anyhow - just wanted to thank all those who have responded so far. It is greatly appreciated!!! Heather Henry Playing Naturally ... Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: Vicki Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Heather, I find that with Kjerstin, treats are a great motivator. She is left-brained extrovert, and when all else fails, she will try to tackle anything for treats. Of course, this tells me that I am not being provocative enough, because she really isn't that concerned, just deciding if she is bored enough to try and play me and see if she can make me think she is concerned. She is so, so smart, and a bit of a drama queen if she thinks she can fool me. She entertains herself that way - Mom is so easy to fool, it's ridiculous! A really good tool for us has been the Parelli ball. I only bring that out occasionally, and if I leave it out for her to check out, it has a mind of it's own and on a windy day, will explore all by itself. Then, I go get the ball and push it around and get her to follow. She usually gets so intrigued that she can't help herself. She has seen it move around by itself, but Mom can control it, so can I? She usually ends up following it, pushing it, trying to stomp it, and having a good time. So, I probably haven't helped a lot, but Parelli is loads of fun with Fjords. They are so smart, they just love it. I guess my advice is that if you haven't tried treats, see if that miraculously overcomes the hesitation. Kjerstin will try anything for treats, unless it involves a jump, which is too much effort for such a measly prize! She prefers to show me just how far she can stretch and still not fall on her face, which I usually find pretty impressive! I took Kjerstin to the Parelli center in Ocala for a two week ground class in Jan-Feb of 2007. It was truly the best vacation that I have ever had. The atmosphere at the Parelli center is very positive and supportive. I learned a lot and I really left there with a good understanding of Kjerstin's horsenality and it has proved to be worth every penny. We really bonded through the experience, and I have never had a horse that made me feel like she enjoys me as much as I enjoy her. If there is any way, you can go for a ground class, go for it. They now offer one week experiences, but the two weeks was well, well worth the time and the money. Have fun with Henry, and I promise you that you will find a lot of enjoyment in your Parelli time with him. :-) Vicki Mims, Florida The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] These guys can be surprisingly tough. I assumed from the start that Joe was a confident horse (before we came up with the whole LB / RB schema). It turns out he was actually very unconfident, but not fearful. So when he would plant and refuse, it was not because he was afraid, but he was not confident - and there's a difference!! Once the new lingo came out, he is definitely a LBI, but shifts to a RB in unfamiliar surroundings. And when he gets bored, flips to RBE - boy howdy those are fun times (although it makes me want to run for cover). I am really a fairly wimpy individual, so most of Joe's issues, turn out to be my own lack of pony leadership skills (I'm good with people, no really, I am!!) Treats have been the secret weapon against boredom and most planting. When he was first introduced to the wooden bridge, he would not step on it for love or money. Days of approach and retreat, playing games he was good at near and around the bridge - nothing doing. Until I reached in my pocket one day and found a frosted mini-wheat. Joe was on the other side of the bridge when I pulled it out thinking what's this? He stepped up onto that bridge as happy as could be to reach the mini-wheat. Never had a bridge issue after that, but the value of treats hit home. I'll end now out of respect for my non-Parelli Fjord friends, but I could discuss this all day g Kate with Joe and Della (who completely support the marriage of treats and Parelli) * In a message dated 7/29/2008 6:42:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do have to ask lightly (or lighter) at times, as Henry will sull up if asked with too loudly. He certainly isn't dull and can be quite sensitive at times - but he can also be very naughty (for the lack of a better word) and ask me the question, if I really mean it (doing this, or doing that)! Sometimes it is hard to discern if he is unconfident of what I am asking, or confident of it and just not willing to do it, as per my request. I am getting better at reading him - so hopefully the more that I can interpret his body language, I can determine if he requires confidence building or motivation (Henry being predominantly a LBI)! **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Kate Joe's horseanality sounds so much like Henry's!!! LBI that can be unconfident (but not fearful - yes there is a difference!!!) and RB in unfamiliar surroundings. I know he is not looking at me as the leader yet (my marshmallow personality shining brightly!) and I am trying my darndest at times - but his horseanality is different/new/intriguing for me and I am still trying to learn how to read him (i.e., unconfident/fearful/confident but not motivated, etc.etc.etc.). Then, when I push him - he can at times push back and I must mirror/match and oh my! this has been a great learning experience, that's for sure. But - each day gets better and better. Last week, we joined up at liberty in the outdoor sand ring (no round pen where I board) and Henry stuck to me like glue. It was magical to state the least. Then, at other times (last night - LOL!) - he takes root and is firmly planted. Tonight - we were more connected with fewer plantations and more joining up (on line, but with incredible slack in the line) towards the end of the night. It's the sudden taking root to the ground that throws me (it can come out of nowhere). In the beginning ... I tried treats, but Henry was pushy and rude about it - so I cut them all out. Now, 6 weeks later - I have re-introducted treats from time to time and only if he has done something really great. He is not pushy anymore with the treats, but I exercise caution to not go down that road. I can see treats being a great motivator for him. In fact, I did it once (experimenting) when he was planted and didn't want to enter the arena. Pulled a cookie out and that neck stretched out as much as it could - LOL!! before he decided that if he moved his feet - he might just get that cookie (and into the arena he went!). But again, because of his pushiness in the beginning, I am being cautious about the usage of treats. Hopefully, I can build up enough savvy to use them with purpose :-) Thank you so much for your reply - it is greatly appreciated. Heather Henry Playing Naturally ... - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:38:23 PM Subject: Re: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] These guys can be surprisingly tough. I assumed from the start that Joe was a confident horse (before we came up with the whole LB / RB schema). It turns out he was actually very unconfident, but not fearful. So when he would plant and refuse, it was not because he was afraid, but he was not confident - and there's a difference!! Once the new lingo came out, he is definitely a LBI, but shifts to a RB in unfamiliar surroundings. And when he gets bored, flips to RBE - boy howdy those are fun times (although it makes me want to run for cover). I am really a fairly wimpy individual, so most of Joe's issues, turn out to be my own lack of pony leadership skills (I'm good with people, no really, I am!!) Treats have been the secret weapon against boredom and most planting. When he was first introduced to the wooden bridge, he would not step on it for love or money. Days of approach and retreat, playing games he was good at near and around the bridge - nothing doing. Until I reached in my pocket one day and found a frosted mini-wheat. Joe was on the other side of the bridge when I pulled it out thinking what's this? He stepped up onto that bridge as happy as could be to reach the mini-wheat. Never had a bridge issue after that, but the value of treats hit home. I'll end now out of respect for my non-Parelli Fjord friends, but I could discuss this all day g Kate with Joe and Della (who completely support the marriage of treats and Parelli) __ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks so much Vicki for your reply. I have tried a ball and that was a hoot. Henry pushed it, stomped it, tried to eat it, etc.etc.etc. and then within 5 minutes - was what's next on your list? His attentive span is one of a gnat and I have to come up with interesting stuff to do all the time to maintain his focus. And of course, I completely believe that I am being played half the time. I am just floored at this intelligence and I am sure he is counting up his points each time he has played me. In a response to Kate, I mentioned my treats experience. It is a work in progress! I would LOVE to go to Ocala one year. What a dream trip that would be. Again - many thanks for responding! Heather Henry Playing Naturally ... - Original Message From: Vicki Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:10:27 PM Subject: RE: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks This message is from: Vicki Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Parelli Tickets
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All - I was sent Parelli Tickets for Day 1 for two people. Unfortunately, the Oregon event was May 10 11. I just received these tickets in last night's mail. (May 30th.can we say Uffda?) Anyway, there are dates for the following locations. the first person that wants them can have them. Please EMAIL me and give me your name and address and I will stick them in the mail to you tonight. Thanks! June 21 - 22 Denver CO July 21 -13 Madison WI July 19 -20 Prescott AZ Sept 20 - 21 Kansas City MO Sept 27 -28 Ft Worth TX Oct 18 - 19 Jacksonville FL Catherine Lassesen Hestehaven - The Horse Garden Hundehaven - The Dog Heaven www.hestehaven.com / [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-541-825-3027 Southern Oregon The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Parelli Assessment
This message is from: Steve Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] I passed Parelli Level 1 Assessment with Anjee (just barely) the weekend before last. We did great for most of the ground work. Our weak point was the riding part. She is still fidgeting on the mounting (she was doing so good, I thought we were past that problem) and her saddle slipped twice - she nearly had me in tears - and she is a bit snotty when I ask her to speed up, she squeals and gives me a baby buck almost every time I ask her to trot in the ring. We have lots of good solid trail experience, but we have done very little ring work, and she clearly doesn't see the point in running around a boring ring with a human on her back! My on line send was a bit weak too, she kept stopping to play with the barrels instead of leaping over them. =( I don't think the lady would have passed me if she hadn't seen me working very nicely, almost flawlessly, with her for an hour and a half before the assessment started. And we did, eventually, do all we were asked to do properly. If anyone has any pointers on our weak spots, please, enlighten me! She is very bold and left brained; I, on the other hand, am pretty soft natured. I do try hard to stand/walk/act/ride boldly when I handle her, but she sees right through me at all the wrong moments! Oh, and my wonderful, fancy little boy, Arlo, just got home from his first months training! The trainer says he is both lighter than my other Fjordies and has more left brained boldness all at the same time! And I thought Anjee was a challenge! But he did wonderful. He loads with a point of the finger from the ground, he carries a cinched up bareback pad, he does all 7 games with style, he ground ties (until his baby brain tells him he might find some pellets in that bucket over there), he lifts all fours with no fuss, he walks on lead in the correct position at handlers speed, he turns to the handler at all the right moments, he is so polite! =) I am so proud of Arlo! When Anjee and Arlo were loaded the horse trailer at the trainer's place, I realized his butt is as tall as hers already - she is just under 13.3hh at four and a half years and he is a year and a half old now. It was already dark when I got them home. We turned them loose and I ran out to hear the sounds of their hooves pounding the ground all the way up to the back pasture. Then I stood there in the dark listening to the sounds of their mother, Shaggy, telling them, Welcome home. I love you both. You two behave. I'm still your mother and don't you forget it for a second! Meredith Sessoms Moulton AL ~ Dorina (Holunder x Uvonia by Oostman) ~ ~ NFR Aagot (Leik x F.V. Anitra by Solar) ~ ~ TK Anjanette (MVF Karival x NFR Aagot by Leik) ~ ~ TK Arlo (Kastanjegardens Fernando x NFR Aagot by Leik) ~ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Parelli Fjords
This message is from: Cathy Dalton and Ernest Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Fjord'n'Parelli Pals Just one month into Level 1 and I say somebody should make a comic strip about our favourite horses and Parelli... can you just picture this ... a) It's a Carrot STICK, not a %$#* CARROT!! b) This means BACK UP, not EAT the rope! c) About those missing pages in Pocket Book #3...It was just too close to Lornie's lunch time... ...I just started working on Pocket Book 4 - no chomp marks (yet). Even our 'Fredtacular' Fred enjoys Playtime with the Parelli games. Warm Regards Cathy, in (Norwegian-like) Ontario. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: PARELLI,,, and many others
This message is from: Fiona Lindsay-Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have used hackamores, with great success, but not the bitless bridle. For more information on it got to www.bitlessbridle.com. Goodluck!!! Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Melinda Schumacher Hello All, I am wondering what experience you have had with the bitless bridle? Melinda On 1/26/07, Faeo, Victoria wrote: This message is from: Faeo, Victoria Jean, that sounds like just the DVD I need to get for Einar. He sometimes responds very well to the bit commands but is inconsistent, and doesn't like to stop when he is trotting - of course that is a seat command mostly, right? I guess I need to ask that one, too: How to stop? Ha! I don't think he remembers his training on that one, or else I don't do it right. This message is from: Jean Ernest I really like buck Brannaman's Video's/DVD's in the Making of a Bridle Horse series, the #1 the Snaffle bit shows in detail how to make a horse light and responsive but giving a release at the right time. The Parelli clinics I have gone to don't really seem to address that so much. But I think the Behavior stuff they are putting out is great! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear, +5 degrees -- Coaching with Melinda Schumacher, MD Personal Empowerment through Creative Expression and Equine Experiential Learning You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is already around your neck. ~Jalal-Uddin Rumi As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half thought, half feel.~paraphrased, John Masefield Fly Without Wings www.flywithoutwings.net Gestalt Practitioner www.gestaltcleveland.org The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: PARELLI,,, and many others
This message is from: Lola Lahr [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use a Dr Cook's on my fjord mare and on my arab gelding. They both love it and, especially in the case of the gelding, it is very calming. I have never found a bit for him that he doesn't chew to death, and the chewing seemed to increase his hyper-alertness on the trails. I do have an older arab gelding that absolutely hates it, so it really depends on the horse. On 1/27/07, Fiona Lindsay-Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Fiona Lindsay-Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have used hackamores, with great success, but not the bitless bridle. For more information on it got to www.bitlessbridle.com. Goodluck!!! Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Melinda Schumacher Hello All, I am wondering what experience you have had with the bitless bridle? Melinda On 1/26/07, Faeo, Victoria wrote: This message is from: Faeo, Victoria Jean, that sounds like just the DVD I need to get for Einar. He sometimes responds very well to the bit commands but is inconsistent, and doesn't like to stop when he is trotting - of course that is a seat command mostly, right? I guess I need to ask that one, too: How to stop? Ha! I don't think he remembers his training on that one, or else I don't do it right. This message is from: Jean Ernest I really like buck Brannaman's Video's/DVD's in the Making of a Bridle Horse series, the #1 the Snaffle bit shows in detail how to make a horse light and responsive but giving a release at the right time. The Parelli clinics I have gone to don't really seem to address that so much. But I think the Behavior stuff they are putting out is great! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear, +5 degrees -- Coaching with Melinda Schumacher, MD Personal Empowerment through Creative Expression and Equine Experiential Learning You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is already around your neck. ~Jalal-Uddin Rumi As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half thought, half feel.~paraphrased, John Masefield Fly Without Wings www.flywithoutwings.net Gestalt Practitioner www.gestaltcleveland.org The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: PARELLI,,, and the classics
This message is from: Starfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] briar hill farm wrote: I wonder how much of classical training influenced the western horseman that evolved into natural horsemanship. The western vaquero tradition had its roots in Spain, home of the Andalusian and a strong dressage (menage and bullfighting) culture. The balance and responsiveness needed for a bullfighting horse would be similar qualities needed for a good working cow horse. Yes, I think this is true. I also wonder how Baucher's flexations were translated into the giving to the rein. If you read early John Lyons, his descriptions of the horses giving to the rein at each vertebrae are not far removed from some of Baucher's flexations. Although, most of Baucher's flexations involved raising the posture neck, combined with a relaxation of the jaw, which the horse demonstrated by opening its mouth, or chewing (or chomping) the bit. I don't think the proponents of natural horsemanship would agree with this today. In Fillis' book there are some photographic plates that show the horse performing movements with it's mouth agape, which isn't very attractive. The issue isn't addressed in the text, and one can only wonder if it was an example of the desired relazation of the jaw. To bring this back to Fjords, I find the application of French Dressage theory works very well with Fjords. Some (not all Carol!) Fjords can be a challenge to balance. I find that the German system, of motion into balance frequently doesn't give me the lightness I'm looking for. This is true for other breeds as well. As Carol Naveta pointed out, Fjords, amongst themselves, are individuals. Some are a dream to balance. Some are a challenge. Using the French tradition of balance before motion has helped me get the hocks engaged and lighten my Fjords front and give me the lightness I'm searching for. While I was in Denmark, I had occasion to see some very well ridden Fjord horses shown in basic dressage tests. In talking with some of the trainers, they related that they would never let them go with their necks down and stretched out, as in the stretchy chewy circle which is asked for in our basic dressage tests today, as it would encourage the Fjords to go heavily onto their forehands. It is possible to teach a Fjord, with this tendency, to stretch without going onto the forehand, but takes some talent and feel on the rider's part, especially when you start doing those lengthenings (and have to transition back to working trot!) Beth -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: PARELLI,,, and many others
This message is from: Warren Stockwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cooks bitless bridal has been a great find! I suggested it to a boarding client of mine after working with her Arabian for a long time trying to figure out what makes him toss his head and why I can't get his poll bent. I decided to start from the beginning and use a parelli bosal. He was comfortable and collected transitions were good blah blah blah. So we looked into the bitless bridle and found on ebay to try ( at 1/2 the price ). So far very happy with the results, but you got to make sure you have it adjusted correctly for your horse. It has been a God send for this horse. Roberta MN - Original Message - From: Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: Re: PARELLI,,, and many others This message is from: Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, I am wondering what experience you have had with the bitless bridle? Melinda On 1/26/07, Faeo, Victoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Faeo, Victoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, that sounds like just the DVD I need to get for Einar. He sometimes responds very well to the bit commands but is inconsistent, and doesn't like to stop when he is trotting - of course that is a seat command mostly, right? I guess I need to ask that one, too: How to stop? Ha! I don't think he remembers his training on that one, or else I don't do it right. This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really like buck Brannaman's Video's/DVD's in the Making of a Bridle Horse series, the #1 the Snaffle bit shows in detail how to make a horse light and responsive but giving a release at the right time. The Parelli clinics I have gone to don't really seem to address that so much. But I think the Behavior stuff they are putting out is great! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear, +5 degrees -- Coaching with Melinda Schumacher, MD Personal Empowerment through Creative Expression and Equine Experiential Learning You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is already around your neck. ~Jalal-Uddin Rumi As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half thought, half feel.~paraphrased, John Masefield Fly Without Wings www.flywithoutwings.net Gestalt Practitioner www.gestaltcleveland.org The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: PARELLI,,, and many others
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really like buck Brannaman's Video's/DVD's in the Making of a Bridle Horse series, the #1 the Snaffle bit shows in detail how to make a horse light and responsive but giving a release at the right time. The Parelli clinics I have gone to don't really seem to address that so much. But I think the Behavior stuff they are putting out is great! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear, +5 degrees The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: PARELLI,,, and many others
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really like buck Brannaman's Video's/DVD's in the Making of a Bridle Horse series, the #1 the Snaffle bit shows in detail how to make a horse light and responsive but giving a release at the right time. The Parelli clinics I have gone to don't really seem to address that so much. But I think the Behavior stuff they are putting out is great! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear, +5 degrees. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: PARELLI,,, and many others
This message is from: Faeo, Victoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, that sounds like just the DVD I need to get for Einar. He sometimes responds very well to the bit commands but is inconsistent, and doesn't like to stop when he is trotting - of course that is a seat command mostly, right? I guess I need to ask that one, too: How to stop? Ha! I don't think he remembers his training on that one, or else I don't do it right. It was 30 degrees at my cabin in Knik this morning. Up from 5 degrees the day before. Amazing! Vic -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean Ernest Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:58 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: PARELLI,,, and many others This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really like buck Brannaman's Video's/DVD's in the Making of a Bridle Horse series, the #1 the Snaffle bit shows in detail how to make a horse light and responsive but giving a release at the right time. The Parelli clinics I have gone to don't really seem to address that so much. But I think the Behavior stuff they are putting out is great! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear, +5 degrees The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: PARELLI,,, and many others
This message is from: Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, I am wondering what experience you have had with the bitless bridle? Melinda On 1/26/07, Faeo, Victoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Faeo, Victoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, that sounds like just the DVD I need to get for Einar. He sometimes responds very well to the bit commands but is inconsistent, and doesn't like to stop when he is trotting - of course that is a seat command mostly, right? I guess I need to ask that one, too: How to stop? Ha! I don't think he remembers his training on that one, or else I don't do it right. This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really like buck Brannaman's Video's/DVD's in the Making of a Bridle Horse series, the #1 the Snaffle bit shows in detail how to make a horse light and responsive but giving a release at the right time. The Parelli clinics I have gone to don't really seem to address that so much. But I think the Behavior stuff they are putting out is great! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear, +5 degrees -- Coaching with Melinda Schumacher, MD Personal Empowerment through Creative Expression and Equine Experiential Learning You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is already around your neck. ~Jalal-Uddin Rumi As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half thought, half feel.~paraphrased, John Masefield Fly Without Wings www.flywithoutwings.net Gestalt Practitioner www.gestaltcleveland.org The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: PARELLI,,, and the classics
This message is from: briar hill farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Beth wrote: Over the course of the winter, I have been re-reading works on horse training, or horsemanship (if you will) written by men who are considered masters i.e., M. de la Guerniere (1688-1751), Gustav Steinbrecht (1808-1885) and works about Francois Baucher (1796-1873) and Nuno Oliviera. I too, love to read the classics and follow the threads of classical horsemanship and dressage rather than modern competitive dressage. I studied with a student of Olivera in Portugal. His focus and percision were astounding and his horses' engagement and lightness were beautiful. I would recommend Decarpentry added to you list, if you haven't read him yet. The other is that most emphasize working with the horse as he is, a horse, and working with the nature of the horse. No forcing, with patience, and taking the time to help the horse understand what the rider/trainer is asking of it. This, in my opinion, is natural horsemanship. I wonder how much of classical training influenced the western horseman that evolved into natural horsemanship. The western vaquero tradition had its roots in Spain, home of the Andalusian and a strong dressage (menage and bullfighting) culture. The balance and responsiveness needed for a bullfighting horse would be similar qualities needed for a good working cow horse. I also wonder how Baucher's flexations were translated into the giving to the rein. If you read early John Lyons, his descriptions of the horses giving to the rein at each vertebrae are not far removed from some of Baucher's flexations. To bring this back to Fjords, I find the application of French Dressage theory works very well with Fjords. Some (not all Carol!) Fjords can be a challenge to balance. I find that the German system, of motion into balance frequently doesn't give me the lightness I'm looking for. Using the French tradition of balance before motion has helped me get the hocks engaged and lighten my Fjords front and give me the lightness I'm searching for. Marcy, in Vermont, where we finally have some real winter, which is why I'm inside at the computer talking theory, not out with the ponies using it! www.briarhillfarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Combining Parelli and other methods
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I am a big Parelli type person, and while not an expert by any stretch, I pretty clearly understand the concepts. Last night after some other work, we settled on our learning task for the day: backing onto a wooden bridge. Joe crosses it, stands on it, puts front feet on it and goes sideways down the length of it, backs off of it, so I figured this would be a non-event. One hour later we continued with our calm and relaxed approach and retreat, pressure and release - and he continued to be unable to step up onto it backwards. (to be honest, I was actually getting pretty cold and annoyed and it was getting dark. Mostly, Joe was annoyed). Then I remembered the supplement cookies in my pocket. So the next time we backed up to the bridge and he lifted his hind foot, I handed him a cookie. He munched it up, took a good look at me, and then set the hind foot back up on the bridge. Another cookie arrived. Less than 20 seconds and he had moved smoothly back up onto the bridge and received his third cookie. Some ponies just do better when you use a combination of techniques g. Kate and Joe The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: PARELLI,,, and many others
This message is from: Starfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] jerrell friz wrote: None of these trainers invented the wheel, although they talk like it. Horsemanship, has been around since the beginning of man and horse. What is natural horsemanship? Over the course of the winter, I have been re-reading works on horse training, or horsemanship (if you will) written by men who are considered masters i.e., M. de la Guerniere (1688-1751), Gustav Steinbrecht (1808-1885) and works about Francois Baucher (1796-1873) and Nuno Oliviera. A couple of things have struck me, this time around. One is that every one of these people have been adamant that the rider/trainer must have an independent seat in order to be effective and to not damage the horse's mouth by the rider leaning on the reins for balance and support. The other is that most emphasize working with the horse as he is, a horse, and working with the nature of the horse. No forcing, with patience, and taking the time to help the horse understand what the rider/trainer is asking of it. This, in my opinion, is natural horsemanship. I'm not saying that everything they did was correct or beneficial. In fact, there was plenty of disagreement, at the time, with regard to who's methods were correct. Baucher's methods raised, perhaps, the most discussion and criticism (Steinbrecht cautions the reader over and over again that Baucher's methods are wrong and dangerous - and tells the reader why) yet, there are repeated familiar themes which we are still discussing and teaching today. Steinbrecht even describes what might be interpreted as a version of a one rein halt that could be used, only by a very skilled rider, under extreme circumstances, with a fractious young horse (in order to avoid being unseated). I recently picked up a translation of James Fillis (1834-1913) who was a student of Baucher, but who did not agree with all of Baucher's methods. In one section of his book, he describes work with the horse done at liberty (after teaching it to work around him and to come to him with use of a lunge-line) which sounds very much like asking a horse to hook on or join up or face up or whatever you want to call it. As for Parelli, a lot of the original work, in my opinion, is based on the exploitation (if you will) of the instincts of the horse that circus performers use in their training methods. These methods have been around for centuries. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. In the Parelli programs I have seen of late, there has been much more emphasis on the human's responsibility to learn about what the horse's behavoiral response to the human's request means. This, in my opinion, is much better than what I've seen in the past, which was people getting so involved in the Parelli Process, and in acheiving the required skills in order to climb the Level Ladder, that they were leaving the horses out of the equation. In my opinion, the marketing that goes along with the process is responsible for the I want to belong syndrome that would foster the Level Ladder goals, and not being with your horse in the moment. On another hand, one could look at the Parelli system as a method to bring horsemanship to the masses. As it is currently, it is de-mystifying (for some folks) the horse-human observation and relationship skills that were attributed to horse whisperers. Beth http://www.starfirefarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: PARELLI,,, and many others
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been spending bedtimes reading Sylvia Loch's The Classical Seat, and it pretty much says the same thing. Has anyone ever devised a good system for letting a rider know when s/he is balancing on the reins? Maybe a piece of yard that takes up a loop in the rein, that would break with too much pressure? Or some kind of bell on a piece of elastic that would warn when there was too much pressure, or sudden pressure. So ...how is the blizzard going out there on the plains and foothills? Gail Over the course of the winter, I have been re-reading works on horse training, or horsemanship (if you will) written by men who are considered masters i.e., M. de la Guerniere (1688-1751), Gustav Steinbrecht (1808-1885) and works about Francois Baucher (1796-1873) and Nuno Oliviera. A couple of things have struck me, this time around. One is that every one of these people have been adamant that the rider/trainer must have an independent seat in order to be effective and to not damage the horse's mouth by the rider leaning on the reins for balance and support. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: PARELLI,,, and many others
This message is from: Sarah Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just drop one or both reins for a second or two. The results will be revealing. Has anyone ever devised a good system for letting a rider know when s/he is balancing on the reins? - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: PARELLI,,, and balanced seats
This message is from: Starfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail Russell wrote: Has anyone ever devised a good system for letting a rider know when s/he is balancing on the reins? I like to start the rider with awareness first, by having them use only one rein at a time, bringing the horse's head (and therefore neck) around (i.e., yielding, a' la' Clinton Anderson). The advantages of using only one rein at a time, and working on the horse bending, or yielding, are: 1) It can be done with the horse standing 2) The rider can use her/his eyesight (as well as the horse's response) to see whether or not they're doing it correctly. The ultimate (lofty, but attainable) goal is to have the horse give to the request of yielding, without having to put more pressure on the mouth other than a slight indication to the corner of the horse's lips. Unlike Clinton Anderson, it's not about getting an auto-response from the horse, it's more about developing feel in the rider's hands and body, and developing the horse's trust in the rider, which will, ultimately, have the horse reaching for you when you reach for him (a quote from Ray Hunt and Buck Brannaman.) Once it's good at the halt, it can be used at the walk, trot, canter, etc. Then one can work on asking the horse to yield (give vertical flexion) to both reins at the same time, while the rider works on instantaneously releasing the reins with every positive response from the horse, which requires the rider to not balance on the reins. Jean-Claude Racinet (Another Horsemanship) challenges the rider to start the horse forward without even holding (or touching) the reins, before every upward transition, then quickly take up the reins once the horse has starts to move forward. He also suggests an exercise where one ties the reins around the rider's back so the reins are connected, but not taught, when the rider sits up. To ask the horse to go forward, the rider must lean forward slightly. Then he has the rider sit up to ask the horse to stop (hands crossed over the chest, not on the reins at all). The pressure from the reins stops the horse. If the rider has to lean back to make the horse stop, the reins are tied too long. I think your idea of using something that would break is an interesting one, with a very safe horse. It could certainly be tried one rein at a time. Nuno Oliveira was known to perform riding demonstrations with only a string in the horse's mouth (and not plastic hay string!) So ...how is the blizzard going out there on the plains and foothills? Not too bad here, 3-4 inches, though south and east of Denver received up to another foot. We're still under snow, however. Haven't seen the ground for 6 weeks now. Highly unusual, even for old timers. There are some things one never sees with warmer temps, however, like these beautiful ice crystals floating in the air, sparkling in the sunshine. Or is that just cabin fever? ;-) We're about to receive some nice, warming temps in the upper 30's and 40's. Yippee! Don't have to worry about burning the lungs with exertion! Here comes the mud. Beth -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Parelli
This message is from: Fiona Lindsay-Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just wanted to let you know that you will be very happy with your results, from the parrelli natural horsemanship... in three lessons my gelding and i are almost ready to be certified for level one... and i just started it with my fjord mare, and am very happy with the results... Starfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Starfire Farm Vicki Johnston wrote: I am Level I in my ground skills and my husband is working in Level II. I'm getting ready to go to the Parelli Center in Ocala next weekend for a 2 week course on the ground in Liberty and Horse Behavior with my Fjord mare. So, I'm hoping to be able to tell everyone that I'm much improved next month! I know she will be - I hope I can keep up with her!!! ;-) She's very smart! Have fun, Vicki! There are a few other Fjord fans doing Parelli. I met a woman from Colorado attending a class at the Parelli Center in September with her beautiful Fjord mare. I followed up with her to see if she found it worthwhile, and she had positive feedback. She is a Level III student if I remember correctly. Just wanted to say that both of these mares are from Starfire Farm. Full sisters, Starfire Malin and her younger sister, Starfire Kjerstin. The parents are BDF Obelisk (Gjest x Stine) x EHF Heidi (Glengard x Freyja). This had turned out to be an exceptional pairing. Both mares are stunning to look at, with lots of presence, yet a calm demeanor. Big, beautiful eyes and very pretty heads, yet balanced body conformation. Malin was evaluated as a three year old and received a conformation score of 81 with 8's for Walk and Trot and 8.25 Overall. We are expecting a foal from this pairing again this spring, so contact us if you would be interested in purchasing this offspring. Beth Starfire Farm http://www.starfirefarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: PARELLI,,, and many others
This message is from: Fiona Lindsay-Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED] How did you get my email? do you have fjords as well? and do you do parrelli? Sarah Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Sarah Clarke Just drop one or both reins for a second or two. The results will be revealing. Has anyone ever devised a good system for letting a rider know when s/he is balancing on the reins? - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Parelli
This message is from: Vicki Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] My husband and I are practicing the Parelli methods with our horses. I am Level I in my ground skills and my husband is working in Level II. I'm getting ready to go to the Parelli Center in Ocala next weekend for a 2 week course on the ground in Liberty and Horse Behavior with my Fjord mare. So, I'm hoping to be able to tell everyone that I'm much improved next month! I know she will be - I hope I can keep up with her!!! ;-) She's very smart! We've been using the DVD program for Level I and Level II, and I really recommend it. I also recommend getting into Level II as quickly as possible, because there is some essential information that helps with these confident Fjords. I find the Fjords more challenging because they are very smart and can get bored if you aren't creative enough to keep it interesting for them. There are a few other Fjord fans doing Parelli. I met a woman from Colorado attending a class at the Parelli Center in September with her beautiful Fjord mare. I followed up with her to see if she found it worthwhile, and she had positive feedback. She is a Level III student if I remember correctly. Looking forward to hearing from other Fjord folks doing Parelli! Vicki Johnston Mims, Florida The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Parelli
This message is from: Starfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vicki Johnston wrote: I am Level I in my ground skills and my husband is working in Level II. I'm getting ready to go to the Parelli Center in Ocala next weekend for a 2 week course on the ground in Liberty and Horse Behavior with my Fjord mare. So, I'm hoping to be able to tell everyone that I'm much improved next month! I know she will be - I hope I can keep up with her!!! ;-) She's very smart! Have fun, Vicki! There are a few other Fjord fans doing Parelli. I met a woman from Colorado attending a class at the Parelli Center in September with her beautiful Fjord mare. I followed up with her to see if she found it worthwhile, and she had positive feedback. She is a Level III student if I remember correctly. Just wanted to say that both of these mares are from Starfire Farm. Full sisters, Starfire Malin and her younger sister, Starfire Kjerstin. The parents are BDF Obelisk (Gjest x Stine) x EHF Heidi (Glengard x Freyja). This had turned out to be an exceptional pairing. Both mares are stunning to look at, with lots of presence, yet a calm demeanor. Big, beautiful eyes and very pretty heads, yet balanced body conformation. Malin was evaluated as a three year old and received a conformation score of 81 with 8's for Walk and Trot and 8.25 Overall. We are expecting a foal from this pairing again this spring, so contact us if you would be interested in purchasing this offspring. Beth Starfire Farm http://www.starfirefarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
training / parelli
This message is from: Lauren Sellars [EMAIL PROTECTED] After thinking about it for years I finally bought the Parelli programs The price was always what held me back but. There is a sale on for the month of Jan if you buy the level 1 you get level 2 for free. I should have bought this program years ago. I am finding, if I don't skip what I think I know I am sure to learn something. It is a great program.They really want people to learn properly and safely. I think it is a great place for people to start or restart or just get their imagination going Creativity keeping horses and people interested and learning. I am curios How many people out there are practicing parelli. or playing the 7 games. Enjoy LAuren The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Parelli
This message is from: Ursula Brian Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use the 7 games for starting all the babies here at Trinity Fjords. It's a fun and progressive way to do little exercises with a young horse. I just have never bought into the gimmicks. You don't need to buy all his special equipment or wands etc. I do use a longer lead rope which I made from sailing rope and a rope halter that years ago Sue Banks (on this list) made for me. This can be done all winter once they weaned and continued until they are old enough to pull something or begin their riding training. At which point they will be more than ready to work with you and understand your expectations. Ursula Ps..here in Trinity Valley we have had upwards of 3ft of snow in the last 3 days but the sun came out and it is a winter wonderland. The sleigh is coming out this afternoon. Ursula and Brian Jensen Box 1032 Lumby, B.C. Canada V0E 2G0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.trinityfjords.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE:training/Parelli
This message is from: kate charboneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] I do Parelli. I started Parelli with a gelding I was having trouble with (not Fjord). We were in Level 2 when I finally understood that this horse I were quite poorly matched. I searched around for a better match am working through Level 1 with him. And I'm slowly working on Level 1 with my 3 year old Fjord gelding. He'll be my long term partner, I'm quite certain. I'm thinking I'll get an official pass on our Level 1 ground skills, then send him to a Parelli professional for his Level 1 riding. I figure that'd be a nice way to introduce him to riding. I LOVE Parelli, glad to hear you love it too. FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo buy and sell with people you know The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Parelli
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am curios How many people out there are practicing parelli. or playing the 7 games Hey Lauren - there's a great discussion a few months back on this. There are a few of us Parelli Fjord folks on the list. At our Fjord event in June there were several carrot sticks floating around. One attendee had a shirt I am probably going to have to buy that said Don't make me pick up the stick. Setting the disturbing Parelli marketing machine aside, I love their program. I recently had the opportunity to get the series on horse behavior. Really terrific and gave me some great insight into my horse and how to watch and understand what he's trying to tell me. I do have a hard time translating the ground work to the saddle, but we're working on it. Mostly, I just love how much fun it allows me to have with my horse. Today after a somewhat challenging riding session, I turned him out into his pasture and then did some cleaning. When I was done I went out to walk the pasture looking for any damage to fences. Joe stayed at my shoulder the entire time, doing some backing up, right circles, left circles - that type of relationship is worth whatever the dvds cost. Kate and Joe (basically, the best pony ever) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Parelli
This message is from: Cherie Mascis [EMAIL PROTECTED] I do Parelli/mixed with clicker training. It really cuts down on the amount of pressure you have to use. I have a 2 1/2 year old filly. Cherie The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Parelli training
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I have followed Pat Parelli for several years and have had my Fjord to a couple of different Parelli trainers. I have also attended some clinics. I hate the commercialization and how unnecessarily high his prices are, but I still think his methods are wonderful. Aron does very well with the games and Parelli methods, but I don't think anything will ever decrease his energy. Ha. Keep up with the Parelli methods. My instructor started Parelli 8 to 10 months ago and her whole barn has turned around. She is now a real believer also. Onna The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Parelli Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I happened to see a copy of the Parelli Savvy Club DVD (Issue 10 - June 2005). There is a clip of a group of kids playing with their Fjords in Germany. Some of them are definitely Fjords, although they almost all have long manes. I was wondering if anyone else had seen this clip? The piece was great - the sight of 6 or 7 Fjords cantering and galloping in unison in this arena, bareback, no bridles was inspiring! Kate and Joe (sporting a newly trimmed, albeit slightly lopsided, mane)
Re: Parelli Fjords
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, I am a member of the Savvy club so have that DVD. I was happy to see the Fjords! Pretty impressive. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, sunny and snow almost gone. I happened to see a copy of the Parelli Savvy Club DVD (Issue 10 - June 2005). There is a clip of a group of kids playing with their Fjords in Germany. Some of them are definitely Fjords, although they almost all have long manes. I was wondering if anyone else had seen this clip? The piece was great - the sight of 6 or 7 Fjords cantering and galloping in unison in this arena, bareback, no bridles was inspiring!
Parelli group in North Alabama
This message is from: Steve Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NoAL-PNH/ I would like to tell folks about a little fun Parelli group in the South. We have members from Tennessee and east Alabama. We try to have a playday about once a month, get togethers where we can enjoy our horses and learn from each other. I would love for other Fjord folks to join! ~ Meredith Sessoms ~ Moulton AL USA
RE: Parelli Fjords
This message is from: Vicki Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are Savvy Club members and are Level I. It has helped me a lot. Vicki Johnston Mims, Florida
Re: Parelli Fjords
This message is from: Cherie Mascis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes Jean, there are a few Parelli fjords out there. Two here in Nolensville TN. I just passed Level 2 and am working on Level 3. My fjord yearling filly and I just started Level 1 and are already 1/2 through. she's very bright! Cherie
RE: Fjords on Parelli DVD
This message is from: Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] We train Paralli, have his courses. I think they are real good, systematic and progressive. There are other good trainers also with their good approaches, but we didn't go with them because they haven't put their training together in a progressive manor, (1,2,3, a,b,c). I think the negative comments I have seen about Paralli stem either out of jealousy or have seen 1 bad example and judge the whole program on 1 instant with a certain horse or maybe someone trying to put a little Paralli together with another approach. It's as much about training yourself as it is the horse. We aren't savey club members though, I think he is quite high for his club membership, as well as most of his materials. But then you get what you pay for I guess. We decided to go with his program and consider it as having been a good investment. Mark Skeels - Helena Montana, where it was a super nice day. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean Ernest Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:25 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Fjords on Parelli DVD This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just got my June DVD from the Parellli Savvy Club and to my surprise watched a segment from Stuttgart, Germany in which there were 5 Brown dun Fjords and one white pony, which could have possibly been a white Fjord (no stripe) ridden bridleless and bareback (no tack at all) by young children. How neat to see that! At the beginning they worked them on-line and there was a three year old child ( backed up by Mom) doing the seven games with his Fjord! Anybody else a Parelli Savvy Club member? Jean in sunny Fairbanks, Alaska, 70 degrees today but we lost 15 seconds of daylight! Bummer!
Parelli Fjords
This message is from: Jeanette [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes Jean, there are a few Parelli fjords out there. Two here in Nolensville TN. I just passed Level 2 and am working on Level 3. I was also able to have a lesson with Linda when she was in Murfreesboro last fall. A super great experience, don't know if we'll end up on a Savvy Club DVD or not, we worked for almost 2 hours with Linda. Jeanette Haislip Nolensville, Tennessee
Parelli Tour
This message is from: Debi Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] HI All, This is their tour. It's not the 3 ring circus you have seen in the past. Yes there is a lot of Demo of what you can achieve, but like Mark said you can pick up a lot too. And the cost for both days is only $20.00 Total not $20.00 for each day. Price will go up next year. I volunteered at the booths when they were in New York. It was FUN!! And we got a $$$ credit toward going to the Savvy conference or for merchandise from them. Hey if your going to be there anyway why not get paid. So if anyone is interested and working on the levels they can contact Joan in Colorado sand she'll set you up!! Debi In PA
Parelli
This message is from: Bonnie Ehlers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linda in MN...The Parelli Natural Horsemanship, done correctly does work..I have not used it on a very young colt, but I used it on a 2 yr old, who is a super cowworking 4 yr old now. I have just now started playing the games with a 10yr old Fjord who drives, but hasn;t been ridden. I have been amazed at how very responsive he has been. Good luck in your efforts. Two of Parelli words to remember..Passive Persistence
Parelli Clinic
This message is from: Dan Toni [EMAIL PROTECTED] From Toni Farrell Glad to hear someone else from the list was at the Parelli Clinic. No, I'm not the one in the jacket, but a Fjord owner just the same. The clinic was wonderful and I would encourage anyone who has the opportunity attend a Parelli clinic to do so. I have been having trouble with my very dominate Paint mare and was looking for some help. I have been using NH principals for a while now and my mare is usually quite wonderful. My problem has been trailer loading. I can't and she won't. I am using a plywood covered pallete in the round pen, trying to get her to walk up on it, so she will get used to the hollow noise. She gets everything but her back legs up. Really leans forward, but won't pick up those back legs. Gets a very worried look. I've been doing a lot of backing with her, in and out of her stall, through the round pen gate, between trees, etc. Really playing the squeeze game. She's fine. She's a gentle as a kitten until she's asked to load. Then she plants herself and won't move. I'm driving myself crazy, so I've decided to go back a few steps and work where I can. On another note. The other day Knickers (my Paint) and I were just finnishing a session with the pallete and my Fjord, Erick, came by and showed a lot of interest in it. I haltered Erick and asked him to walk up onto the pallete and he looked at me then down at the pallete and walked over it - two or three times. He then got that look that said What's next? This is fun! Boy, those fjords are easy! He's a joy to work with and so handsome. Now to convince the other one. Just came back from a 2 day Pat Parelli expo in Madison, WI. Saw another Fjord person there (you with the brown hair, gray jacket with Fjord Logo) but she was swallowed up by the crowd before I could say hello. I take classes thru a local certified instructor and have alot of fun with it.
Parelli
This message is from: Bonnie Ehlers [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from Bonnie Ehlers. We recently attended a Parelli Natural Horsemanship Symposium in Guthrie, OK. If any of you ever get a chance to take in a Parelli presentation.take advantage of it!! Some Parelli-isms: Common sense is an uncommon thing. Horse sense is stable thinking. Every jackass thinks he has horse sense. To err is human, but to blame the horse is even more human. When you're green, you're growing. When you're ripe, you're rotten. The best way to make a crooked furrow is to look back and see if it's straight. The horse doesn't care how much you know, until he know how much you care.
Re: Hostar Filly and Parelli
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have an aversion to Parelli, already discussed. Kind of sorry I brought it up. However, I will not sell any of my horses to anyone using Parelli methods.
Hostar Filly and Parelli
This message is from: Cheryl Beillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can't decode the message re the filly you have for sale (TTouch trained) vs Parelli .. are these training modes so incompatible or do you have a particular aversion for Parelli, and if so, why?
Re: Parelli training
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: misha nogha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Parelli training Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:03:44 -0800 This message is from: misha nogha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I am sure not cultish about it, but I like methods that work and I have had a lot of success with it. Misha, I think I can see from whence some of the negative attitude cast in Mr Parelli's direction comes...he is an excellent marketer, and some would say too much of a showman than a teacher. Also, he and a whole bunch of 'clinicians' out there, good, and bad, have amassed a HUGE following of groupies, people who seem to thrive on seeing what the latest horse whisperer or european dressage trainer can do to enlighten them, but one wonders if they spend TOO much time and money chasing names, rather than settling down and spending quality time on their horse with a good and reputable (local) trainer.( I subscribe to a NH periodical called 'The Trail Less Travelled'.It's a decent enough rag, but sometimes I really wonder if some of the people that are shown in the magazine ever really get on with it and USE their horses, or if they just like to talk about it all the time...) Personally, I think that there are allot of better 'names' out there than Parelli now, having eclipsed him in fact. I have seen people at my old barn get into some real wrecks doing some of his (Parelli's) stuff. They had no real common sense around horses to begin with, and got kicked,run over, etc. Not a good situation for un-supervised beginners. I'd like to put a plug in for a great book just put out in the Western Horseman series of training books,(as is Parelli's). It's titled,'Problem Solving' by Marty Marten. I cannot say enough good things about this book, as it addresses the most elemental, but sometimes most overlooked aspects in training ANY horse. The writing is clear and the photos are very well done. Most importantly, Marty stresses safety, but not in an overdone way, but from the standpoint of sheer common sense. 2 of my students love it, and I am going to give a few more away at Christmas. BTW, although Marty doesn't acknowlege Parelli in his forward/dedication, he has been thru the proverbial Parelli mill so to speak, as he worked for him, riding the testier colts, etc. (Someone very close to me also worked for Parelli at the same time, and he has a few stories he could tell as well. Parelli is not a saint; a good psychologist/horseman/marketer = yes.) Anyway, I think its good that you have extracted what you can use from Parelli, as there is no 'one' way to do things. When something becomes an end in itself, therin lies the rub. Take it easy, Karen __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Fjords and Parelli
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I, too, have contemplated starting the seven games with Major, our Fjord, but just due to time, have not. We have a very good friend who is working on level ?3 and spent 3 weeks in Co this summer at his place. I will ask her what she recommends for this type of horse -- and use Major as an example since she saw him at the last show and knows his temperament. I'll let you know! Susan
Parelli training
This message is from: misha nogha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I am sure not cultish about it, but I like methods that work and I have had a lot of success with it. As you can see by my web page, I am riding my stallion with just a string--if I could not control my horse do you think i would be playing that game! Ha. Just like any other discipline--you get out of it what you put into it. It takes time. Actually, I don't just go with the Parelli method, I use all the NH techniques and even have developed my own using visualization. It's cool. But then, I spend a lot of time with my horses, all the time actually. So we really know each other. If you don't want to take a lot of time getting your horse supple and willing and looking to you for guidance then don't do this method. No method is perfect. I prefer the Barb Apple method over Parelli---she seems to understand Fjords. In addition, I use the methods just to get a partnership with my horse. Now I want to go onto some other disciplines in specific ares such as dressage or reining. I feel like I have set my horses up to succeed. Misha
Re: Fjords and Parelli
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail, I got a kick out of the broom bit. I had to sneak around when picking manure with the pitchfork. Howdie would come running whenever he saw the fork to get itched. Made a pest of himself. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Parelli training for Fjords
This message is from: misha nogha [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you check out our web page, http://www.eoni.com/~mishamez, you can see a lot of Fjords with Parelli training on them. In some I am riding my stallion using only a small string. He remains very light and responsive to it. Most of my Fjords are of the peppy and sensitive type and respond well to the level of phases, but some are the more stoic. For the really stoic, I do NOT elevate phases , rather I lower them. For example, you want your horse to move sideways away from the pressure of your fingertips--so when you are riding the horse moves away light from leg cues--the stoic horse, instead of moving away, may actually really lean into pressure. I think this is because Fjord horses are draft horses and they are bred to lean into pressure. So, what I do is use a very light pressure, like say, just tickle the hair and keep irritating them until they move over. See? Fjords are Really different at the Parelli stuff but as you can see by my pages, they do it well. Fjords are extremely intelligent and they like being buds. You just have to be smart too, to read them. Outwardly a Fjord seems quite calm but inwardly they can be very sensitive. Just upping the phases sometimes will just cause them to blow up. I don't only use Parelli training. I use visualization and occasionally I use treats if I get a BIG yes to a very difficult execution. Most of the time the reward is a good scratch or a hug. Fjords seem to like em--at least mine do. There are two really great Natural Horsemanship trainers out there who have worked with Fjords and like them. One is Barb Apple, she will come to your town and give clinics. The other is Katie Lay, she is a fantastic colt starter or re-starter using NH techniques. You can email me privately if you want their phone numbers. Misha, Shota Fjords
Re: Parelli
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am surrounded by people of 2 minds. Those who treat Parelli like a religion and worship almost like a cult and those who hate it with equal enthusiam, think it's the devil himself and hate anybody who even does that . I've viewed the 7 games tape and, frankly, wasn't impressed, but I am bewildered by the passion the training method engenders in those around me. I've noticed that those I know who do use it can't control their horses and their horses are usually confused but I don't know if it's them or the method. I did like both the Shrake and the Lyons tapes. Gail in Albuquerque
Re: Fjords and Parelli
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Waving the stick around her head just makes her look a little askance, but not a flicker of concern or understanding that she needs to do anything about it. Ditto for trying to get her to drop her head or lift her feet when you squeeze her hock. I have one Fjord that Parelli type stuff works with pretty well. He is spooky and sensitive - like the hotter blooded breeds. However my other two Fjords have a more mule-like personality. I can *literally* beat my five month old colt with a push broom - and he *likes it.* (I guess something really itches somewhere - sometimes I brush him with a 20 wide push broom - just for fun. :) I believe the best approach with the mule/Fjords is a combination of Parelli/Lyons/Dorrance/Hunt training - but with positive reinforcements of food - and good efforts marked by a click. That way you don't have to beat them up to get a response - food rewards being *very important* to them. Mugging does not need to be a problem if you stop all outside treats and train the mugging away. (Mugging will happen - so once you start you have to be committed to spending the time it takes to train it away.) Today I held an apple in one hand and a lead rope that I wanted touched by a horsey nose in the other. Both within reach of the horse. When he reached for the apple, I simply backed away (he was confined in a trailer, with head out the window of the slant load). When he reached to touch the lead rope, (and did touch it), he got a click and an apple. Pretty soon he didn't care at all about reaching for the apple. And yes, get the Parelli video. Then train the tasks using the clicker and Parelli's cues. The clicker list can help you figure it out. There are several people doing the Parelli levels on the list. One of the more impressive success stories was a horse trained to walk thru smoke and firecrackers for the Sheriff's Search and Rescue. Apparently the Sheriff was so impressed they asked how the horse had been trained. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Clicker List Web Site : http://clickryder.cjb.net
Re: Fjords and Parelli
This message is from: Cheryl Beillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all .. I have a question for any of you out there who have introduced their fjords to the Parelli method of training .. I just came back from my first day at a level 1 clinic .. absolutely amazing to see a dozen agitated warmbloods and arabs, etc. change in just a few hours to something resembling fjords in temperment. However, when I came home - of course I decided to try out a little of what I had seen. Here's the rub (no pun intended) .. unlike the horses I watched all day who backed away from the stick and who seemed to respond almost immediately to a very light pressure anywhere, my 13 yr old mare, who can be headstrong but does not shy at machinery, cars, grouse, deer, etc -- seems totally indifferent to pressure on her nose, to move back, or anywhere else .. she just doesn't react. If anything, she comes toward me rather than moving away. Waving the stick around her head just makes her look a little askance, but not a flicker of concern or understanding that she needs to do anything about it. Ditto for trying to get her to drop her head or lift her feet when you squeeze her hock. I know I haven't even begun to start learning how to do this properly, but when she has no reaction at all, I wonder how agitated I have to become to get her to pay attention. She just stands there, patiently waiting to see what it is I want .. or else totally indifferent! I remember someone on the list recommending the 7 games video so I assume there must be lots of more responsive fjords .. and it must be me! Any comments, clues/advice ..? I'm very sorry I opted not to enroll her in the clinic as I would dearly love to see what a level 3 Parelli trainer would do with the non-reactive horse.
Re: sybren the follower II and parelli
This message is from: Julie Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] Saskia ~ Enjoy that sunshine!!! I would shrink up and die without sunshine for that long! And I thought New York weather was gloomy.Julie
sybren the follower II and parelli
This message is from: saskia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all! today was the first day with sunshine and no rain in Belgium since ages (since February) and so, at last, I was able to retreat for a longer session of Sybren-ing in our little paddock. Boy!, he is really unbelievable! As I told before, he's a real pot of glue, but also he's becoming very stallionish (nearly one year old) and tries to dominate (not the other horses, he's the lowest in order - but me) and it was urgent for me to get him a little bit more under control... I went in the paddock with him (no halter) and a rope. He glued to me, so I swung the rope. The first ten times, he got the rope on his nose and the only thing he concluded was that he had to snug even closer to me... So I took a more decided air. I began throwing the rope at him, softly, against his sides. At last that made him move away from me. As Hempfling showed on the demonstration I saw by him, I immediately took Sybrens place as soon as he'd moved to show that I didn't just chase him, but that I needed right that place for myself. After some playing around like that, he moved as soon as I lifted my arm and I didn't have to throw the rope anymore... hèhè!!! Then we played the friendly game which of course he enjoyed very much. But it was nice to notice (also when I brought him his food, ten minutes ago) that he was so much easier to handle... Kitty and Janosch used to wait patiently for their grains and hay, but Sybren literally threw himself upon me, these last weeks. Not today. I lifted my arm and he backed up and I could feed him quietly! Pyooh!!! My exercises with Sybren took about 15 minutes. As he's still so young, I don't want to do much with him, but I think I should spend 10 to 15 minutes with him every day with this kind of games (of course I spend a lot more time brushing and grooming him - bchfr! bchfr! my mouth and nose are full of long, soft white hairs). It's funny to see how his colour changes. He had a white foal-winter-coat and is getting a lot darker. And today I got my driver's license!!! :-) and my first trip was to see Flor, my secret-love-Fjord. He was even more cute than the last time and pretended he recognized me... (he's a very sweet guy). I wanted to ask how much money they want for him (he's for sale), but I was too shy... Maybe I can send a fax??? I was surprized about the prices of Fjords in the States. You can easily buy a Fjord for 1.000 or 1.500 $ here. A normal Fjord I mean, because of course you can find Fjords that cost $ 3000 dollars and more - but not much. O, I will be seeing a demonstration by Pat Parelli on Sunday, so if anyone wants to ask him something, I'll be happy to be the messenger... happy Fjord-things! Saskia from Blanden, near Leuven, Belgium: Saskia and Sybren, Kitty and Janosch.
