RE: Re: Introduction

[Rovena Kessinger]

This message is from: Rovena Kessinger 


"Be still" is something that I am really working on right now.

Yes, "head down" was one of the first things I worked on, and he still offers
that as a default behavior, which is good.

--- On Wed, 11/28/12, Gail Russell  wrote:

From: Gail Russell 
Subject: RE: Re: Introduction
To: "fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com" 
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 4:27 PM

This message is from: Gail Russell 


You need to train an opposite "action" as he has gotten the idea that movement
is being rewarded.  It is tricky to clicker train foot stuff because they get
too enthusiastic.  I would start rewarding for keeping all "four on the
floor."  Under various circumstances. 

Then, train the picking up of the foot and make sure to put it under stimulus
control.  I have never really gotten down how to have really good stimulus
control.  Kathy Sdao has a DVD or two on the subject.

One place to look at is Clean Run, which is a dog agility training site.  They
have lots of DVD's on various details of training.  All of it is positive
reinforcement training.  Not because they have a "thing" for it, but because
it is the only thing that works to train winning agility dogs.

Overall, it sounds like you need more of the training detail.  I sympathize. 
I have had some mishaps training behaviors involving feet.  However, these
things are fixable.  It does sound like you need to do a lot of training of
quiet behaviors.  Have you worked on "head down?"

Gail

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RE: Re: Introduction

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I don't think I can read animals' minds, and I sure don't claim to be an
expert on horses, but they are not black boxes anymore than other people are. 
I think that people are more so than animals, being more complex.  Some
emotions are obvious, some are subtle, but it can be very useful if you know
what the emotion is.  I think we can safely assume that "fear" is at the top
of a horses' strong emotions.  That's not really psychoanalysis, lol; it's
just common sense, as fellow mammals.

I don't know why Bam-Bam kicked me when I turned my attention to somebody
else:  jealousy, anger, pawing due to frustration, a simple reflex?  I don't
know why he moves his foot when I touch it--irritation, an attempt at
compliance, a simple reflex?  But I do know fear when I see it, even in an
animal that I am not very familiar with.

However, I understand why you are saying that, and I do try not to read too
much into anything. I know people in general assume way too many things about
why animals are doing what they do.  I try to neither anthropomorphize, nor
dismiss what any child could tell a scientist about what an animal is
feeling.  Emotions are universal, coming from a very primitive part of the
brain.  A lot of time, the exact emotion is somewhat irrelevant; however, if
you are doing something counter to a very strong emotion, it helps to realize
that, and take it into account.  Especially something as basic (and
potentially dangerous) as fear in an animal like a horse.  Bam-Bam scared was
not something that I had experienced before, and it was not fun for either of
us.

Yes, I have all of Alexandra's stuff, and follow her list.  She was nice
enough to reply personally to me when I first got the horses and e-mailed her
for advice.  Very good information; I think that she really uses CT to its
potential with horses. A lot of it is just beyond me; so subtle; but it's very
beautiful.

I'm not going to just simulate drunkenness, I plan to actually get
falling-down drunk and ride, so as to expose the horses to every likely
situation that they may encounter.  Not tonight, however; it's pretty cold,
and I don't want to be incapacitated out there, if worse comes to worst.  
Luckily, I live in Wisconsin, a great state where drunk driving is merely
frowned upon, and all those pesky laws about the operation of a vehicle while
under the influence have the word "motor", in there somewhere, I think.

Kidding!  Seriously, I am clumsy, so falling down by them on purpose would
probably be a good idea.  I was watching Rick Gore acting silly and falling
all over and running up waving his arms and going under them and sticking his
head between their back legs--I'm sure that's all good.  I am going to try to
expose them to everything I can in a controlled way, so they will be ready
when things are not as controlled.

I can't really travel to any conferences about CT.  I have young dogs and cats
at home who need me.  I don't even travel for work conferences anymore.  In my
experience, conferences are always way more trouble than they are worth, in
any case.  The learning/dollars is pretty low compared to just reading and
talking like this.  Lots of good ideas so far here.


--- On Wed, 11/28/12, Gail Russell  wrote:

From: Gail Russell 
Subject: RE: Re: Introduction
To: "fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com" 
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 4:37 PM

This message is from: Gail Russell 


Be careful about all the pschoanalysis of why Bam Bam was unable to stand for
the farrier.  BF Skinner always cautioned that the organism (BAM BAM) should
be treated as a "black box."  You have no idea of his motivations or what else
is going on in his head.  It is enough to just accept the fact that he does
not know how to deal with this situation, and figure out how to prepare him
for picking up his feet in a variety of situations, including with a farrier
who approaches in any old manner.  I know horse trainers who pretend to be
falling down drunks trying to mount their horses.get the horse used to
anythingand the truth is that many many horses will eventually have to
deal with a falling down drunk person :).  I encourage you to buy Alexandra
Kurland's books and join her "click that teaches" list.  She is a trained
behavioral scientist, as are some of the people on her list.

Also, consider going to the Clicker Expo or to the Wicked Minds conference in
January at Texas State University.

GAil
?
When he started with Odi, he didn't introduce himself or go slowly, just had
me hold him and went at his feet.? So after that, I got Bam-Bam, and the
farrier couldn't even get near him, he went wild when the farrier?started?got
close to us.? He didn't rear, but he was jumping all?around and it was hard
for me to hold onto.? The farrier was like, OK, no way, and 

RE: Re: Introduction

[Gail Russell]

This message is from: Gail Russell 


Be careful about all the pschoanalysis of why Bam Bam was unable to stand for 
the farrier.  BF Skinner always cautioned that the organism (BAM BAM) should be 
treated as a "black box."  You have no idea of his motivations or what else is 
going on in his head.  It is enough to just accept the fact that he does not 
know how to deal with this situation, and figure out how to prepare him for 
picking up his feet in a variety of situations, including with a farrier who 
approaches in any old manner.  I know horse trainers who pretend to be falling 
down drunks trying to mount their horses.get the horse used to 
anythingand the truth is that many many horses will eventually have to deal 
with a falling down drunk person :).  I encourage you to buy Alexandra 
Kurland's books and join her "click that teaches" list.  She is a trained 
behavioral scientist, as are some of the people on her list.

Also, consider going to the Clicker Expo or to the Wicked Minds conference in 
January at Texas State University.

GAil
?
When he started with Odi, he didn't introduce himself or go slowly, just had
me hold him and went at his feet.? So after that, I got Bam-Bam, and the
farrier couldn't even get near him, he went wild when the farrier?started?got
close to us.? He didn't rear, but he was jumping all?around and it was hard
for me to hold onto.? The farrier was like, OK, no way, and he turned around
and left.? The Bam-Bam was fine.??Bam-Bam just didn't want that bad guy
carrying torture-implements (for all he knew) getting close to him.

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RE: Re: Introduction

[Gail Russell]

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You need to train an opposite "action" as he has gotten the idea that movement 
is being rewarded.  It is tricky to clicker train foot stuff because they get 
too enthusiastic.  I would start rewarding for keeping all "four on the floor." 
 Under various circumstances.  

Then, train the picking up of the foot and make sure to put it under stimulus 
control.  I have never really gotten down how to have really good stimulus 
control.  Kathy Sdao has a DVD or two on the subject.

One place to look at is Clean Run, which is a dog agility training site.  They 
have lots of DVD's on various details of training.  All of it is positive 
reinforcement training.  Not because they have a "thing" for it, but because it 
is the only thing that works to train winning agility dogs.

Overall, it sounds like you need more of the training detail.  I sympathize.  I 
have had some mishaps training behaviors involving feet.  However, these things 
are fixable.  It does sound like you need to do a lot of training of quiet 
behaviors.  Have you worked on "head down?"

Gail

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Fw: Re: Introduction

[Rovena Kessinger]

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Hi Mary.  This is what happened.  I held Odi the mule, while Bam-Bam was tied
up and watching.  (That was probably a mistake; he always watches stuff that's
going on.)  The farrier did Odi's front hooves fine (he doesn't need much
work, it just took a few minutes).  Then he went for his back hooves, and Odi
didn't like that and started moving around.  Before I really knew what was
happening, he had a rope out and was going to use it somehow on his back
feet.  Odi freaked out and wasn't having any of that, and the farrier said,
"He's been hog-tied before", and gave up on him.  That was annoying to me,
because I didn't know he was going to do something traumatic to Odi. 
 
When he started with Odi, he didn't introduce himself or go slowly, just had
me hold him and went at his feet.  So after that, I got Bam-Bam, and the
farrier couldn't even get near him, he went wild when the farrier started got
close to us.  He didn't rear, but he was jumping all around and it was hard
for me to hold onto.  The farrier was like, OK, no way, and he turned around
and left.  The Bam-Bam was fine.  Bam-Bam just didn't want that bad guy
carrying torture-implements (for all he knew) getting close to him.
 
So, I can see that mistakes that were made.  Strange man holding strange
tools, he sees the man do something bad to Odi, then the man goes at him like
a predator, I haven't been lifting his hooves, etc.  My fault.
 
Oh good, thanks so much for that link.  I'll check it out.  The state of his
hooves are my main worry with him.  I've tried several leads but nothing has
panned out yet.  I need to get him more comfortable first anyway, I guess.
 
 
--- On Wed, 11/28/12, Mary Ofjord  wrote:


From: Mary Ofjord 
Subject: Re: Introduction
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 9:27 AM


This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" 


The mule is 12.  He is much more well-trained than the fjord, but also a lot
more suspicious
> and spooky. So they both need a lot of work. Somebody told me that mules
and
> fjords are a lot alike, so it made sense what happened with those two. I
> thought those two made the other horses seem like sheep in comparison.

We have a mule and five Fjords. And yes, the mule and Fjords have
similarities, such as needing to understand if it benefits them to do
something, then convinicing them to do so.


A farrier came just to trim, but my horse wouldn't let the
> guy get near him. So I am trying to desensitize him to having his feet
> handled. I can touch all of them now, but haven't picked them up yet.

If this horse has had problems in the past, he may be wary of farriers.  How
did he approach your horse?
Did he let the horse sniff him, and did he 'introduce' himself to the horse,
or did he just go in and grab a leg and
start to trim?  Most farriers come in smelling like other horses, and
sometimes that will make a horse suspicious.


I am in northern Wisconsin (Rhinelander). If anybody
> knows a good trimmer near me, especially for a fjord and any special needs
> they may have, I would appreciate if you let me know.

All our animals are barefoot and have been for several years.  We do
occasionally use boots - Cavallo Sport are my choice.
Here's a link to the Wisconsin Association for the Advancement of Natural
Horse Care Practices:

http://www.aanhcp.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=140&Itemid
=121

Good luck in your search for a Natural Hoof Care Practitioner.

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Fw: Re: Introduction

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Hi Cindy!  I've been following you and Oden with interest since you are using
CT too and Oden is way ahead of Bam-Bam.
 
Luckily, I can touch him all over with my hands and with stuff, he doesn't
mind that.  I have been using umbrella, tarp, plastic bags, metal pans, etc.
to desensitize Odi the mule, who is very wary and suspicious of anything new,
and then I do it with Bam-Bam too, and he doesn't care.  He watches Odi, who
has to work up to doing it slowly, and then when it's his turn he runs over
and starts touching things and stomping on things, so he can get CT too. 
Actually he broke out of his halter which I must not have tied well when he
was tied up yesterday to come touch the umbrella, lol.  And I can touch his
legs and his hooves fine.
 
However, when I try to pick up his foot, he either doesn't move it, or
he jerks it away and slams it back down.  I am just CT for any tiny bit of
progress at this point.   It's hard to catch that time that it's up before
it's slammed back down again.  Surely he's had his hooves worked on at some
point, but it's like he has no idea what I am trying to do.  Maybe he thinks I
want him to move his foot over.
 
He does do this thing when I'm not CT fast enough for him where he picks up
his front foot and waves it around.  I'm always worried he's going to paw/kick
forward, since he has done that before, but that was under different
circumstances.  I wonder if I should CT that to start, since his foot is way
in the air then.  That's an idea, I guess.  I haven't noticed if it's always
the same foot or not, like if he is left or right-hooved.  (Or horses left or
right-hooved?)
 
Thanks!  That gives me an idea.   Nice to see you here. :)

--- On Wed, 11/28/12, Cindy B Giovanetti  wrote:


From: Cindy B Giovanetti 
Subject: Re: Introduction
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 2:30 PM


This message is from: Cindy B Giovanetti 


Ro, since I know you're doing clicker training, the way to approach this
is to break it into the smallest possible steps.

If it were me, I would probably get a carrot stick (so I could stand back
until I was sure whether he was going to kick out).  Take the time to make
sure he's comfortable with your stroking him with the stick.  Then, see if
you can rub his flank with the stick.  If so, click and treat for that.
Then, gradually, start running the stick down his leg.  Click and treat
for that.  Continue that until you are sure he won't kick at the stick.

Then repeat the exercise with your hand, clicking for him staying calm as
you touch his flank, his leg, his ankle, and then, finally, his hoof.

You'll need to repeat this on each hoof.

Finally, you'll try to pick a hoof up.  At first, click and treat even if
he just shifts his weight off the hoof you want.  In the end, you won't
click until you can hold the hoof quietly in your hand.

I am working on this with Oden right now, although Oden doesn't have
issues with having his hooves touched.  I'll try to get a video of it.  I
actually tried -- with you in mind -- just a few minutes ago; but I was
working by myself, and there was no way to hold the camera, the hoof, the
clicker, and everything else.  LOL!  I had to give up!  But I'll try again
when I can get my photographer (my 15YO son) to come out with me.

Cindy

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Re: Introduction

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Ro, since I know you're doing clicker training, the way to approach this 
is to break it into the smallest possible steps. 

If it were me, I would probably get a carrot stick (so I could stand back 
until I was sure whether he was going to kick out).  Take the time to make 
sure he's comfortable with your stroking him with the stick.  Then, see if 
you can rub his flank with the stick.  If so, click and treat for that. 
Then, gradually, start running the stick down his leg.  Click and treat 
for that.  Continue that until you are sure he won't kick at the stick.

Then repeat the exercise with your hand, clicking for him staying calm as 
you touch his flank, his leg, his ankle, and then, finally, his hoof.

You'll need to repeat this on each hoof.

Finally, you'll try to pick a hoof up.  At first, click and treat even if 
he just shifts his weight off the hoof you want.  In the end, you won't 
click until you can hold the hoof quietly in your hand.

I am working on this with Oden right now, although Oden doesn't have 
issues with having his hooves touched.  I'll try to get a video of it.  I 
actually tried -- with you in mind -- just a few minutes ago; but I was 
working by myself, and there was no way to hold the camera, the hoof, the 
clicker, and everything else.  LOL!  I had to give up!  But I'll try again 
when I can get my photographer (my 15YO son) to come out with me.

Cindy

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Fw: Re: Introduction

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This message is from: Rovena Kessinger 


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HI!  So glad you adopted your fjord and a mule...I love both breeds.  
Names?
 
The mule's name is Odi.  The fjord's name was Oli--just random that they had
rhyming names, but I couldn't keep them straight, and Odi couldn't tell the
difference (it didn't help I used the wrong name half the time.)  Since Odi
knew his name, I kept his the same, and have been calling the fjord Bam-Bam. 
I guess that's his name now lol, since he knows it.  It was just one of
several nicknames I had for him while I was thinking of a name, but it
stuck.  (Better than Butter-Butt, I guess, which was one of the other
ones.)  His personality is very much Bam-Bam right now (he kicked me in the
shins twice (not very hard) when I turned my attention away from him
momentarily and he thought I should still be looking at him), but he's getting
better all the time.
 
   I have a 9 yo mare and yes, they are very smart...and mine is food
motivated so if you know clicker training, there are people doing that with
them.   There are a couple of sites on facebook...Norwegian
Fjords...Fjords   one of the women there is sharing what she is doing with a
clicker.   There is also some good stuff on youtube.   I recall seeing a
video of someone at mule rescue getting an appy mule to go into a wash
stall...it was really cool!!
 
Yes, CT is great.  I think I am following the woman on facebook; Life with
Oden?  And yes, they are both definitely food-motivated.  That was the
amazing part; I thought dogs were food-motivated, but there are things dogs
like better than food sometimes.  I don't think there is anything those
horses like better!
 
Soph recently gave pony rides to small children and even let them lead her
around.  I have to watch the treats, because she gets very pushy...has pulled
tabs off my barn coat.  I get after her and she acts sullen...for a while 
LOL  She seems to be sensitive to correction once she understands what you
want.
 
With CT, the first thing you train them (any animal, not just horses) is not
to mug you for treats.  So it takes care of that problem.
 
I have a western trainer helping me with her.   She was pretty green a year
ago... he loves working with her.  She is very smart and happy to work.
 
That's good to hear.  Yea these two guys come running when they see me.  I
don't think they think it is "work", lol. 
 
Good luck!   Keep us up to date with your progress.   Beth and Soph

Beth, Bob, the Corgis and the Fjord
 
Thanks for the welcome! 
 
 



From: "Rovena Kessinger" 
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 7:47:50 PM
Subject: Introduction

This message is from: Rovena Kessinger 


Hi everybody.� I hope I am posting to this list the right way.

I have a four year old fjord gelding that I got from a horse rescue.� He
was
left there after two owners "gave up" on him.� I have had him for about two
months.� He has had minimal training, and I don't think any of it stuck.

I am new to horses.� I learned about clicker-training last year with a
problem
dog, and that worked so well, it gave me confidence to try it on a new
species. It's going really well.� He was VERY pushy and domineering at
first,
and I was rather stupid and probably put myself in danger, I realize now that
I know more, but it turned out OK, and he has made a huge amount of
progress.�
So, now that I know better, and he is better, it's all good.

He is incredibly smart, and not scared of anything.� I have a mule that I
do
CT with too.� The reason that I picked those two out of all the horses was
that they always came to the gate to greet me when I got there, and the one
left in the field always watched me as I worked with the other one, obviously
wanting to be in on it.� So I couldn't leave either behind.� The mule is
12.�
He is much more well-trained than the fjord, but also a lot more suspicious
and spooky. So they both need a lot of work.� Somebody told me that mules
and
fjords are a lot alike, so it made sense what happened with those two.� I
thought those two made the other horses seem like sheep in comparison.

Anyway, I found this list, and thought it would be interesting to see what
other people are doing with their fjords.� My immediate issue with mine is
his
hooves.� I want to keep him barefoot, and I think from what I read that is
how
most fjords are.� A farrier came just to trim, but my horse wouldn't let
the
guy get near him.� So I am trying to desensitize him to having his feet
handled.� I can touch all of them now, but haven't picked them up yet.�
I'm
sure we'll get there, but after that, I don't know a good barefoot trimmer in
my area.� He obviously needs something done, so I was going to let the
farrier
just trim him, despite the fact he doesn't seem to now anything special about
barefoot trimming.� I am in northern Wisconsin (Rhinelander).� I

Re: Introduction

[Mary Ofjord]

This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" 


The mule is 12.  He is much more well-trained than the fjord, but also a 
lot more suspicious
and spooky. So they both need a lot of work. Somebody told me that mules 
and

fjords are a lot alike, so it made sense what happened with those two. I
thought those two made the other horses seem like sheep in comparison.


We have a mule and five Fjords. And yes, the mule and Fjords have 
similarities, such as needing to understand if it benefits them to do 
something, then convinicing them to do so.



A farrier came just to trim, but my horse wouldn't let the

guy get near him. So I am trying to desensitize him to having his feet
handled. I can touch all of them now, but haven't picked them up yet.


If this horse has had problems in the past, he may be wary of farriers.  How 
did he approach your horse?
Did he let the horse sniff him, and did he 'introduce' himself to the horse, 
or did he just go in and grab a leg and
start to trim?  Most farriers come in smelling like other horses, and 
sometimes that will make a horse suspicious.



I am in northern Wisconsin (Rhinelander). If anybody

knows a good trimmer near me, especially for a fjord and any special needs
they may have, I would appreciate if you let me know.


All our animals are barefoot and have been for several years.  We do 
occasionally use boots - Cavallo Sport are my choice.
Here's a link to the Wisconsin Association for the Advancement of Natural 
Horse Care Practices:


http://www.aanhcp.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=140&Itemid=121

Good luck in your search for a Natural Hoof Care Practitioner. 



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Re: Introduction and questions

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I have a 6'2" person helping me with my 14.1ish drafty fjord mare...his feet
don't clear her girth/stomach!   I also have seen some taller than standard
fjords.   I am 5'5ish and I thought a 14.2 H anything would be too
small.    Try out as many as you can.  I think you will be pleasantly
surprised!   I rode a giant 15.2 1/2 H one and he was waay to big for my
legs!  I felt like I was on a 17.2 H warmblood.   Be warned you will
get hooked!   :-)   I started looking for a 15 H seasoned gelding and
ended with with a 14.1 H somewhat green mare that I have had since June.   I
am absolutely in love.   I can't imagine life without her!  


Beth, Bob, the Corgis and the Fjord (WRF Zahra aka Sophie)

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From: "Ellen Barry" 
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:48:16 AM
Subject: Re: Introduction and questions

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> You wrote: I am a larger woman who rode dressage for  I
was wondering if
> Fjords are "thinking" horses (ponies?)  I kind of want something like my
> foundation Shetland mentally
> Any input would be welcome.
> Amie in Northern California

Ok, well let's try to answer that. First off: fjords are wonderful but like
other breeds there is enormous variety in dispositions although most seem to
be very laid back and willing. And food motivated: absolutely. don't come
between a Fjord and his food. Smart?? Yes, that too. Sometimes more than is
good for them.
As to the suitability of the Fjord for you; that is something for you to
decide after meeting several Fjords.
Suitability of you for the Fjords? That is something you can determine too.
You mention being a large woman. Well, I don't know how large and how well
balanced on horseback. But there are formulas on the internet that you can use
to calculate if you're good for the horse. They involve measuring and weighing
the horse, considering bone structure etc. I guess it makes sense that if
you're close to 300lbs, you don't sit on a pony that is 13.2. That's common
sense. Choose the appropriate breed and within the breed, the appropriate size
horse.
Good luck finding your forever horse.
Ellen.

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Re: Introduction and questions

[kngould]

This message is from: "kngould" 


Hi Amie:
I have both; have had several of both as a matter of fact! I've noticed that 
their minds and personalities are quite similar in a lot of ways. My main 
ride is a Friesian because I'm a "big girl" and feel better on a bit more 
horse, although the barrel of the Fjord feels the same size. These are the 
only breeds I will have as I get older as they are more "thoughtful", and 
less reactive, plus having both a willingness to work and a desire to spend 
time with their humans. The Friesian is a bit more mischievous I think; as 
they will actually pull practical jokes on you.
I have seen Friesian show horses that are quite "up" and forward, but their 
owners work to get them that way. Your average Friesian "pet" is just as 
laid back and sensible as the Fjords. All horses vary within their breeds 
though, and I've had, and SOLD a super reactive Fjord; a real act first, 
think later kind of guy that I felt was too much for me.

JMHO,
Kim



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-Original Message- 
From: Amie Ebert

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 5:08 PM
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Subject: Re: Introduction and questions

This message is from: Amie Ebert 


Yes, they do not have the right mind


-Original Message-
From: kngould 
To: fjordhorse 
Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 9:01 am
Subject: Re: Introduction and questions


This message is from: "kngould" 


Have you looked into Friesians?



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-Original Message-
From: Amie Ebert
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:11 PM
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Subject: Introduction and questions

This message is from: Amie Ebert 


Hi, I have had horse most of my life, and am curious about Fjords.  I have
liked the two I have meet, but two does not give me a good picture of a
breed
:)


I am a larger woman who rode dressage for years, mostly on TBX's and Appys.
Several years ago I fell in love with my little Shetland, switched over to
Driven dressage, and after having a few bad accidents on a green horse, sold
off all of my full sized fellows.   Honestly they could not keep up mentally
with my ponies.  Now I am thinking about a saddle horse again, and have been
looking for something that has that pony mind.  However I do need a horse
that
can carry me, as well as do some low level dressage.   I was wondering if
Fjords are "thinking" horses (ponies?)  I kind of want something like my
foundation Shetland mentally: Wanting to please, food motivated, very
intelligent and curious about the world around him, and loving to have a
JOB.
While I understand that there is some variance in breeds, I would like to
know
what the average Fjord is like.


Any input would be welcome!


Amie in Northern California

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Re: Introduction and questions

[Amie Ebert]

This message is from: Amie Ebert 


Yes, they do not have the right mind


-Original Message-
From: kngould 
To: fjordhorse 
Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 9:01 am
Subject: Re: Introduction and questions


This message is from: "kngould" 


Have you looked into Friesians?



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From: Amie Ebert
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:11 PM
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Subject: Introduction and questions

This message is from: Amie Ebert 


Hi, I have had horse most of my life, and am curious about Fjords.  I have
liked the two I have meet, but two does not give me a good picture of a
breed
:)


I am a larger woman who rode dressage for years, mostly on TBX's and Appys.
Several years ago I fell in love with my little Shetland, switched over to
Driven dressage, and after having a few bad accidents on a green horse, sold
off all of my full sized fellows.   Honestly they could not keep up mentally
with my ponies.  Now I am thinking about a saddle horse again, and have been
looking for something that has that pony mind.  However I do need a horse
that
can carry me, as well as do some low level dressage.   I was wondering if
Fjords are "thinking" horses (ponies?)  I kind of want something like my
foundation Shetland mentally: Wanting to please, food motivated, very
intelligent and curious about the world around him, and loving to have a
JOB.
While I understand that there is some variance in breeds, I would like to
know
what the average Fjord is like.


Any input would be welcome!


Amie in Northern California

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Re: Introduction and questions

[kngould]

This message is from: "kngould" 


Have you looked into Friesians?



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-Original Message- 
From: Amie Ebert

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:11 PM
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Subject: Introduction and questions

This message is from: Amie Ebert 


Hi, I have had horse most of my life, and am curious about Fjords.  I have
liked the two I have meet, but two does not give me a good picture of a 
breed

:)


I am a larger woman who rode dressage for years, mostly on TBX's and Appys.
Several years ago I fell in love with my little Shetland, switched over to
Driven dressage, and after having a few bad accidents on a green horse, sold
off all of my full sized fellows.   Honestly they could not keep up mentally
with my ponies.  Now I am thinking about a saddle horse again, and have been
looking for something that has that pony mind.  However I do need a horse 
that

can carry me, as well as do some low level dressage.   I was wondering if
Fjords are "thinking" horses (ponies?)  I kind of want something like my
foundation Shetland mentally: Wanting to please, food motivated, very
intelligent and curious about the world around him, and loving to have a 
JOB.
While I understand that there is some variance in breeds, I would like to 
know

what the average Fjord is like.


Any input would be welcome!


Amie in Northern California

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Re: Introduction

[Jo Wilgus]

This message is from: "Jo Wilgus" 

Hi Debbie, welcome to the digest. Without getting too much in your 
business...make sure you delete the message you are repling to. The web dude 
Steve is pretty picky about this. If you need assistance in this ask anyone 
in here, everyone is kind and helpful.


Sorry about your first Fjord experience. There are "smucks" in every walk of 
life. People bute, inject, sedate and whatever else to get a horse sold. 
Scary stuff. And I have found "there ain't nothin free." Ha, ha, ha.


I have 2 Fjords, Bryhyl Regn ( Regn) and Bushwhacker's Dutchman ( Duffers). 
Both from extremly reputable breeders of Fjords. Yes, they are perfect, for 
us anyway. I hope you have a chance to spend time with another Fjord in the 
future.They are something special.


Enjoy the day!

Jo Wilgus
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RE: Introduction

[Debbie LeBreton]

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I am so happy for you and your fjord.  I found my fjord on the internet from a
breeder and it turned out that she was sick and I couldn't beleive anyone
could ever sell a sick horse to someone that they thought would not know the
difference.  I wish every day that Fergie my beautiful fjord and myself would
of had a chance to show my grandbabies what a beautiful bred the fjords are.
Fergie and I did get the chance to bond and love each other before she was
gone.  It is always good to hear good things do happen to people.  I hope that
people that have heatlhy fjord's appreciate every moment with that special
pony.  If you look into your ponies eyes believe what you see because they
really know what is happening around them and if they do give you their love
you are so very blessed.  Appreciate every minute.  I am happy for you.  There
is NOTHING more special than a fjord's love.


> From: smc...@ij.net
> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
> Subject: Introduction
> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:40:35 -0400
>
> This message is from: "Sylvia" 
>
> Hello fellow Fjord owners,
>
> Now that I know how to e-mail the forumn I would like to introduce myself.
My
> name is Sylvia McCoy and I live on the west coast of Florida in the Tampa
Bay
> area. About 2 years ago I purchased my first Fjord. I found "Ducky" on the
> internet and bought her from a horse trader. I know I was taking a chance
but
> I read about Fjords and hoped for the best. And the best has come true. I
> re-named her Svenska in honor of my Swedish mother-in-law. She is a sweet
> wonderful mare and has come a long way in the 2 years that I have owned
her.
> Unfortunately, I know nothing of her background. She does have a brand on
her
> right rear flank. I have tried to research it but to no avail. The brand is
> the number 11 and below the 11 is either 2 anchor or 21 rocker. Perhaps
there
> is someone out there who is familar with that brand???
> I would also be interested in hearing from Florida Fjord owners. Perhaps we
> could all get together someday with our Fjords
> Looking forward to being part of the Fjord Forumn.
>
> Sylvia and Svenska
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RE: Introduction

[kelly]

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What a great group this is!  Thank you, everyone for the warm welcome and
some hints and suggestions about horses that might be available.  I'm also
thrilled to find a few people with Fjords in Texas.  Will keep everyone
updated as my quest continues.  If Fjords are anything like the draft/draft
crosses I've worked with, I'm sure that I'll have a hard time just getting
one, too.  But, the drought will probably make one a necessity for a while
as hay prices will be high this year.

Again, thanks for the friendly reception!
--kelly.

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Hey, Kelly--
 
Welcome to the List!  
 
Beware of Kate Seidel, she gave me my first hit off the Fjord crack pipe a  
few years ago.  Sure, she said, "Just try it this one time..." and now I
need 
rehab with a 14 acre farm and three Fjord geldings.  Seriously,  though,
there 
are some wonderful Fjord owners in Texas that I am sure would love  to have 
you visit their crack dens...er, Fjord farms. :)
 
Kris in NC
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Re: Introduction

[KBatchelor]

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Hey, Kelly--
 
Welcome to the List!  
 
Beware of Kate Seidel, she gave me my first hit off the Fjord crack pipe a  
few years ago.  Sure, she said, "Just try it this one time..." and now I  need 
rehab with a 14 acre farm and three Fjord geldings.  Seriously,  though, there 
are some wonderful Fjord owners in Texas that I am sure would love  to have 
you visit their crack dens...er, Fjord farms. :)
 
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Re: Introduction

[KateSeidel]

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Hey Kelly - I had the same experience.  Loved riding my Percheron  cross, and 
my sister's full Percherons.  But at 5'3" and with a less than  limber body, 
getting on and off of those giants was too hard (and also, it's a  long way to 
fall!).  No airplane steps for me, I used a picnic table.
 
The Fjords fit the bill perfectly for a draft personality, a mule brain,  and 
a compact size.  Once you go Fjord, you'll never go back!!
 
Kate
with Joe and Della (neither of whom are exactly compact, but they're  shorter 
than Percherons!)
 
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RE: Introduction

[melissa]

This message is from: "melissa" 

Hello Kelly,

I have a 1.5 year old filly here in Fort Worth, anytime you are up this way
give me a shout and you can come visit.  Her Half sister who is 1 is now in
Bastrop
Melissa

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Re: Introduction

[kateseidel]

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Tori - welcome to our list.? I think we all fell wildly in love with Oslo and 
Valjo as Lisa kept us up to date with pix and video of their training - 
although we have not received anything recently!!







<< My husband and I train and have the privilege of working with some of 
Pedfjords lovely horses, most recently PF Oslo and PF Valjo.>>

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Re: Introduction

[Krissie England]

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Thank you!  Our percherons are what got us looking at Fjords too.  We have two
perchies and love them, so when it came time to look for something smaller we
were naturally drawn to the draftiness of the Fjords.

Sounds like Joe had a
similar beginning to Trygg.  I just looked at his papers and we are owner
number 7 for the poor guy.  Which is why I find it so hard to let him go, even
though I promised my hubby he was a good buy because we could "always sell him
if he didn't work out" given that Fjords are pretty pricey around here and we
got a really good deal (should have known then, LOL).  Of course, I think my
hubby knew that wouldn't happen, I've never once managed to let go of an
animal once it's part of the family.



That's the key right
there, when he agrees with the program.  That is Trygg to a tee.  He is sweet
as can be as long as you are not making him do something he would rather not
do.  In the field I can lead him with a piece of twine or by cupping my
hand under his chin.  But taking him out of the field away from his buddies,
he has actually tried to knock me over with his shoulder and run back to
them.  That was an argument I won by pulling him around and putting him to
work in a circle around me.  But he sure was P***ed.

I was worried about
sending him away for training for just the same reason you mentioned, that he
would think he'd been sold yet again.  Unfortunately, the trainer we used to
use that came to us had the nerve to move back to South Carolina!  We miss
him.  And I couldn't find anyone else I would trust that would come here.  My
vet recommended the trainer Trygg is with now and I think it was the best
thing for him.  When I dropped him off he did kinda pull back and look worried
at going into the barn and I told him right there that he was still our pony
and we weren't deserting him, but he had to go away to school for a while to
learn to earn his keep (school is how we explained the training to our son,
who is almost 5).  Got a funny look from the trainer, but Trygg seemed happier
and walked in with me.  I've also made sure to go see him as often as I can,
so he still sees us and knows we are still around.  I figure it's like having
him at a
 boarding barn, he's not at home with us but he still sees us and knows he's
our boy.

I've actually ridden him there twice now and the difference is
amazing.  He does still every once in a while try the biting at my toes thing
(though not seriously anymore, more like he is just checking to make sure he
still can't get away with it), but we've had no bucking since he started
there, knock on wood.  He is able to do walk/trot/canter without getting
worked up or trying to toss me, so I'm pretty happy with that for now.  He
never threw me at home, but he did toss my husband twice.  So my husband has
had a lesson on him at the trainer's now, too.  She said she thinks Trygg got
rid of him and not me because I am a stronger rider and Trygg is no dummy.  He
tried silliness with me and got in trouble, he tried the same silliness with
my husband and got away with it, so he took the opportunity and tossed him. 
Which I think is a very true assessment unfortunately, he is more than smart
enough to figure out who he can take advantage of. 
 Which makes him not a kid's pony :(  So I guess he's going to end up being my
second ride...  I feel bad for my son because he won't be able to ride "his"
pony for years, but at this point he should be okay to do a pony ride after
I've worked Trygg.  Not what we had hoped but better than we'd feared.  Trygg
has been at the trainer's for a month now on full training and done so well,
we really want to keep him there another month (with the weather I'm afraid
he'll lose everything he's gained if he comes home and I can't ride him during
the week).  So, since we can't afford full training for another month, we are
going to have them ride him twice a week while we come out and ride him
another two days each week.  Since I can ride there after dark, I can ride him
when I can't ride my own at home so I'm not giving up any riding time on my
main horse, Loki, which makes it easier.

Thank you so much for your reply, it
really gives me hope to hear from someone who has been through this and come
out the other side.  I hope we have as much success with Trygg as you have
with Joe, he sounds like quite a character.  Hopefully, I'll be boring the
list with my updates for a long time too :-)

Krissie

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Sent: Tuesday, December
9, 2008 9:15:41 PM
Subject: Re: Introduction

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<>
Welcome to Fjords!  I fell in love with Percherons, but they were too  big,
so I went looking

Re: Introduction

[KateSeidel]

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<>
 
Welcome to Fjords!  I fell in love with Percherons, but they were too  big, 
so I went looking for a draft that wasn't so far to fall off of and ended  up 
with Fjords!
 
This poor list has had a few years now of my little Joe stories, but they  
are much the same as yours.  Brought Joe home without knowing he had been  
through 4 owners in 6 years.  Stubborn, headstrong, and can be quite  
challenging 
when he does not call the shots.  Unbelievably personable and  adorable on the 
ground and when he agrees with the program.  He has become  much better since 
getting to know us, and I would hesitate to send him away for  training.  I 
try hard to get trainers who will come to us.  After the  first year, we saw a 
marked change in him as he became more trusting that he  wasn't going anywhere.
 
He would benefit from a regular job, but we do our best.  He's tossed  me, 
and my daughter - but only once out of sheer pissiness, and he gave me  plenty 
of warning.  He doesn't like to canter, and will let you know about  it.  But 
if you can win the argument the first time, he's a joy for the  rest of the 
ride.
 
Good luck with Trygg - I hope you come to love him the way I adore my  Joe!
 
Kate
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Re: Introduction Where is MN?

[debora seely]

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Roberta,
    I was just curious where in southern MN are you located?    How far from
Mankato area?
I use to have Fjord friends there that I would visit when I had to go to  my
in-laws twice a year.  I would give them free dressage lessons in return for
some horse contact away from home.
 
Deb


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Re: Introduction

[ruth bushnell]

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we've been gone a while due to computer issues and changing servers. Some 
of

you might know me still but here it goes. > Roberta Stockwell


IT'S VERY nice to hear from you again, Roberta.
Plus, the bio update.. I certainly hadn't forgotten you =)))

You're so right about farm produced eggs being superior!
No comparison.

Glad you're back !  Ruthie, nw mt US 


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Re: Introduction

[jgayle]

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Hi Roberta and welcome.  You seem a very busy person and family.  I am more 
of a reader on this list than involved but learn lots.  From my Cavalry Dad 
to my now near retirement, horses have always been my interest. Sometimes 
years might pass but I finally retired from business to five acres and many 
loved horses through the years. Good to hear your story. Jean Gayle










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This might be a very silly question.
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[karl & Jerrie Froelch]

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Hello from Wisconsin:
My name is Liann Tetzlaff. I live with my husband George on a small
farmette...

   Your story sounds very much like our own. We made the big purchase of
farmette and a pair of fillies three and a half years ago bringing our 2 yr.
olds home on July 3rd, 2003. We didn't even finish unpacking and hadn't yet
slept in our new beds when we went to collect our babies from Trinity Fjords
in Canada.
   We were rewarded right away by the lack of excitement they demonstrated
at the wild night of fireworks in our neighborhood the next night.
Welcome to the list!  We too have learned so much from this group of people.
One bit of advice, join your closest Fjord Promotional Group or club.  The
relationships you build with that group will see you through crisis and
celebration.

Welcome to the family!
Karl and Jerrie Froelich
Willowhill Farm
Snohomish, WA

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[jgayle]

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Welcome Liaann, and you surely are an enthusiastic lady.  Hope all the 
dreams become realities and the ice cream cone is chocolate!  Jean Gayle 
owner of "Gunnar" the grumpy.







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Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949
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[Meadow will]

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ya i know this is off topic but how do you make a new one of these post
things???


- Original Message 
From: mcozart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2007 1:36:20 PM
Subject: Introduction from a new Fjord mailing list reader


This message is
from: "mcozart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi All,

My name is Michele Cozart. I
live in Palmyra, Maine (30 miles south of
Bangor and 45 miles north of
Augusta). I’m new to this list and it was
suggested that I introduce myself.
So, here I am. I’m fairly new to
Fjords but not to horses. I grew up riding
western (back then in
California, that’s about all there was). I’ve wanted to
get back into
horses ever since then but this is the first time I’ve been able
to
manage it. I bought 20 acres in Maine 1 ½ years ago and wanted a horse
I
could use the work the land (if I get that bold) and to drive. Since
I’m 5’1”
tall, a large draft horse wasn’t looking very practical. How
would I ever be
able to do anything with a horse I would never be able
to harness without a
very tall ladder?! Then I found out about Fjord’s
from the internet while I
was touring the east coast looking for some
property. I also ran across Marci
Baur and Susan Cook’s website for
Briar Hill Farm in Vermont. They had Fjord’s
for sale so on my way
through the area I stopped to see a Fjord in person and
possibly
purchase a mare they had listed for sale.

Marci, knowing exactly
what she was doing, introduced me to Bayshore
Mette first; she was the one I
was most interested in and she was
beautiful. I especially liked her wide
dorsal stripe. After seeing
her, no other horse at the farm came even close to
her in my book.
But, to tell you the truth, I bought her because when I met
her, I
accidentally backed into the electric fence while touching her. I
shocked her nose! Boy, did I feel stupid (didn’t have electric fences
growing
up) but you know what?? She came back to me and let me pet her
again. I
figured she was the horse for me. She’d forgive me for doing
stupid things and
since I hadn’t been around horses much for 25+
years, I figured I’d do some
stupid things. It took awhile for her to
accept me as the head of the herd,
and I’m still not sure I’m totally
there yet, but we have come to an
understanding. I’m able to ride her
to the field and back to the barn bareback
(great for finding your
balance again) with a halter and rope so I suppose
things are good.
Besides, you gotta love Fjord’s; it’s not that far to the
ground. My
sister owns thoroughbreds and is only 5’2” so who’s smarter?? Just
looking at her horses gives me nose bleeds! ;)

My second Fjord came shortly
after my first. You can’t have just one
horse! Mette needed a friend. I wanted
another mare and I wanted a
gray one to mix it up a bit. I found out about a
four month old gray
Fjord mare at a driving competition. Within a week or so,
I was on my
way to meet Anita Unrau of Anvil’s Acres in British Columbia to
pick
her up. She was a pretty little thing and so very sweet. Her name is:
Anvil’s Graa Luna. I brought her back to Washington for two days
before our
drive east. She was a real trooper (along with the four
dogs and five cats I
also brought)! It took us quite a while to drive
across the country with all
of the stops but it was well worth it.
She’s going to be two in May and is the
prettiest little (not so
little anymore) horse I’ve ever seen! I don’t have
any recent pictures
of her but I’m attaching on from about 1 ½ years ago in
case you want
to look at her.

My third Fjord came on July 4th, 2006. Marci
Baur is awesome! She
found a stud for Mette and bred her for me while I was
waiting for my
escrow in Maine to close. She was bred to MVF Hegdal from a
farm in
Randolph, Vermont and I’m very happy with the baby. He’s so cute,
loving and very healthy. Oh, he’s also for sale… His name is: RTF
Uavhengighet
“Ulrik”. I call him Ulrik for short or because I can’t
pronounce his real
name. It means Independence and I gave it to him
since he was born on the 4th
of July.

I’m sure that’s so much more about my Fjords and I than you cared to
know but, after all, they are my babies. This summer I’ll be working
with
Mette to train her how to drive. I can’t wait to go to Acadia
National Park
and try out their driving roads. I don’t know many
people on this side of the
country so it’d be great to hear about any
events going on around here and if
you’re in the area and need a place
to stay, just let me know. I’d love to
meet you and your horses.

One last thing, is there someone in the area (or
semi-close) who can
help me find out the conformation of both Luna and Ulrik?
Thanks,
Michele Cozart
Palmyra, ME  04965

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[karl & Jerrie Froelch]

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Welcome to the family!  If you are ever in need of a stopping place in NW
Washington State for a day or overnight, look us up.  We have three Fjords
out of Trinity Valley in B.C.

Karl and Jerrie Froelich
Willowhill Farm
Snohomish, WA

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RE: Introduction

[Laura Kranzusch]

This message is from: "Laura Kranzusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Laura,

Sounds like you are doing wonderful on Bjorn - hopefully you will get
pictures up sometime - would love to pictures of you both jumping!

Jeanine




I am working on it:)  I just have to learn how to work my new scanner:)
-Laura

RE: Introduction

[Jeanine Rachau]

This message is from: "Jeanine Rachau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Laura,

Sounds like you are doing wonderful on Bjorn - hopefully you will get
pictures up sometime - would love to pictures of you both jumping!

Jeanine

BLUE MOUNTAIN DONKEY FARM
AMJR Registered American Mammoth Jackstock
La Grande, Oregon, USA http://www.OregonVOS.net/~jrachau/
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Re: introduction

[CrystalZak]

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In a message dated 12/21/04 1:02:30 AM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


>
> I just wanted to indroduce myself to the group.  My name is Laura, and I am
> from Green Bay, WI
>
welcome, laura!! we crossed notes on the AOL adult rider boards...nice to
see that you found this group.

laurie
central minnesota

RE: Introduction

[Laura Kranzusch]

This message is from: "Laura Kranzusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi Jeanine,



Bjorn sounds great - I love the name! How tall is he and what height
does he jump? >>


He is 15hh, and it the talled Fjorn in the barn (there are about 10 Fjords 
total).  The higest I have ever jumped him is around 3 feet (I think.  I 
didn't get an actual mesurement).  Generally I jump him in the 2 foot range. 
 Due to my own confidence level:)  I am hoping to enter a show this spring, 
so much work needs to be done.


Thanks for the welcome!

-Laura

RE: introduction

[Jeanine Rachau]

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Marcy,

How wonderful you know the Elska! She has a lovely mouth and rides
great under saddle - you should be very proud of starting her. The
McWethy's treated her with much love and care and it shows in her
health and happiness. She really is a joy. I find it pretty amazing
mixture of having this powerful motor and athletic ability balanced
with this calm easy going demeanor. She has really impressed everyone
that has seen her and watched her work.

Jeanine

BLUE MOUNTAIN DONKEY FARM
AMJR Registered American Mammoth Jackstock
La Grande, Oregon, USA http://www.OregonVOS.net/~jrachau/
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RE: Introduction

[Jeanine Rachau]

This message is from: "Jeanine Rachau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Thanks Marsha Jo - that would be fun. I remember you saying that the
donkeys and fjords personalities are similar and I agree!

Jeanine

BLUE MOUNTAIN DONKEY FARM
AMJR Registered American Mammoth Jackstock
La Grande, Oregon, USA http://www.OregonVOS.net/~jrachau/
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RE: Introduction

[Jeanine Rachau]

This message is from: "Jeanine Rachau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi Laura,

I'm very new to Fjords, it's only been a week! But not new to horses
or donkeys. Fjord owning has been a wonderful experience so far. A
group of riders went up on another mountain ride today and had a great
time. Elska did great - she made a positive impression on everyone -
the little horse that could! After a steep mountain ascent and decent
I had reached down to test my cinch and realized that the cinch was
not making any contact with her girth area - I brought it up 3 holes
to make it snug again. I guess I found I rode a balanced seat and the
orthoflex does a good job in staying in place on a fjordie back!

Bjorn sounds great - I love the name! How tall is he and what height
does he jump? I would like to explore driven dressage - suggestions
for books and video's would be appreciated.


Jeanine

BLUE MOUNTAIN DONKEY FARM
AMJR Registered American Mammoth Jackstock
La Grande, Oregon, USA http://www.OregonVOS.net/~jrachau/
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I'm a new Fjord owner - or I should say owned by Elska (I learned that
means Love). 


Welcome Jeanine,
If you are newly owned by Elska, you are one lucky Fjord person! I knew 
Elska as a youngster when Pam sent her to me for her early under saddle 
training. What a wonderful representative of the Fjord breed she is. It 
was Elska that got me interested in MVF Hegdal as a sire. The Heggie 
offspring always have great temperaments - great to train and work with.

Enjoy! You are in for a wonderful relationship.

Marcy Baer
Briar Hill Farm
www.briarhillfarm.com

Re: Introduction

[Marsha Jo Hannah]

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> "Jeanine Rachau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm a new Fjord owner - or I should say owned by Elska (I learned that
> means Love). Elska came from the McWethy's in New Hampshire and she
> traveled all the way to Oregon! She is a great horse. My donkeys are
> starting to get used to the idea of having a horse on the place. It
> was pretty funny the first couple of days. Elska thinks they are just
> strange horses - she has no worries about them.

Welcome to the world of Fjords!  Since you're very familiar with
donkeys, you're well on your way to understanding Fjords.  They have
about the same "air fern" metabolism.  The temperament is also
similar---stop, think things over, and let curiosity win over fright,
and they do like attention.  There are similar tack-fit issues---
nothing off the shelf fits right.

Next time you're down here for the OMLC show in Roseburg, you need to
come meet my donkey and Fjords!

Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   anything that can go wrong, will!
15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon

Re: Introduction

[Lisa Wiley]

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Tamara,

Thank you.  I work with a PMU rescue organization.  We most times raise
money so others can rescue them.  I went to Equine Affaire here in MA and
decided I wanted a Fjord.  I mentioned that on a list and someone sent me
her picture.  I just never knew they used Fjords as PMU's.  It is so sad.
This farmer is out of the PMU industry but will be raising Fjords and
Quarter horses.  I wish I had direct contact and knew who or where in Canada
he was.  I think that is why my mare was bred to a Fjord.
Lisa Wiley
Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs
Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose
http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/ponieswithpurposeinc/
http://www.geocities.com/summerct/Turnabout.html

Re: Introduction

[Lisa Wiley]

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Sofia,

Don't worry the mane will come as soon as she is settled in.  I was going to
ask you guys how I should do it.  My POA is sporting one like that now since
she rubbed off her mane.  I just cut it with scissors.  It is not two colors
though.
Lisa Wiley
Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs
Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose
http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/ponieswithpurposeinc/
http://www.geocities.com/summerct/Turnabout.html

Re: Introduction

[Lisa Wiley]

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Jean Gayle,

Thank you.  The mother is supposed to be all Fjord too.  She looks it.  I
think she is not registered.  My dogs are Portuguese Water Dogs.  They were
used to help the fishermen.  They are non shedding and very smart.
Lisa Wiley
Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs
Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose
http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/ponieswithpurposeinc/
http://www.geocities.com/summerct/Turnabout.html

Re: Introduction

[Warren Stockwell]

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Welcome Lisa!! Best of luck with your new Fjord Mare and baby to come!!

Roberta Stockwell
Afjordable Acres
New Prague MN
- Original Message - 
From: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 12:43 PM
Subject: Introduction


> This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am new here.  I live in Connecticut.  I am waiting for my Fjord to get
> here.  She is a PMU mare.  She has been bred to a Fjord stallion.  You can
> see her at http://theanimalifarm.com/73.html .  I have several minis and I
> drive a POA pony.  I have always wanted a Fjord.  I am planning to start
> with clicker training to get her to trust me.  She has had no training.
Her
> name is Fiona.
>
> Lisa Wiley
> Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs
> Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose
> http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/ponieswithpurposeinc/
> http://www.geocities.com/summerct/Turnabout.html

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[Sofia Jagbrant]

This message is from: "Sofia Jagbrant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi Lisa,
Welcome to the list!
Your fjord looks cute, but I hope you give her a real fjordmane, when she
comes. She will look any better with that, and look like a real fjord :-)

I hope you will enjoy the list, as much I do.

/Sofia


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Sofia Jagbrant
Mariannelunds gård
570 33 Mariannelund
Sweden
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- Original Message -
From: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 7:43 PM
Subject: Introduction


> This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am new here.  I live in Connecticut.  I am waiting for my Fjord to get
> here.  She is a PMU mare.  She has been bred to a Fjord stallion.  You can
> see her at http://theanimalifarm.com/73.html .  I have several minis and I
> drive a POA pony.  I have always wanted a Fjord.  I am planning to start
> with clicker training to get her to trust me.  She has had no training.
Her
> name is Fiona.
>
> Lisa Wiley
> Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs
> Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose
> http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/ponieswithpurposeinc/
> http://www.geocities.com/summerct/Turnabout.html

Re: Introduction

[Tamara Rousso]

This message is from: Tamara Rousso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi Lisa,

Congratulations on getting a Fjord and rescuing a PMU mare all at the 
same time.


Tamara
Fallbrook  CA

On Monday, December 13, 2004, at 10:43 AM, Lisa Wiley wrote:


This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi,

I am new here.  I live in Connecticut.  I am waiting for my Fjord to 
get
here.  She is a PMU mare.  She has been bred to a Fjord stallion.  You 
can
see her at http://theanimalifarm.com/73.html .  I have several minis 
and I
drive a POA pony.  I have always wanted a Fjord.  I am planning to 
start
with clicker training to get her to trust me.  She has had no 
training.  Her

name is Fiona.

Lisa Wiley
Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs
Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose
http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/ponieswithpurposeinc/
http://www.geocities.com/summerct/Turnabout.html

Re: Introduction

[jgayle]

This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi Lisa and welcome to the group.  I am sure your fjord foal will have many 
good traits of the fjord.  What kind of dogs are those and what is their 
use?  Jean Gayle






Author:  Jean Walters Gayle
"The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 46-49
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[Jo Belasco]

This message is from: Jo Belasco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi Lisa,

I would love to come meet your Fjords in Rapid City!  Thanks so much for
the offer.It's about 2.5-3 hours away, depending on road construction
and slow-moving traffic.  I will probably be up there in the next few weeks
or I can always simply plan a trip up there.  From what I've seen, I really
like Rapid City.  Are there good days and times to come by?  How many Fjords
do you have and what ages?

Thanks again!

Jo

Re: Introduction

[Lisa Sherrodd]

This message is from: Lisa Sherrodd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi Jo,
I am new to Fjords too, but live in Rapid City, SD,
probably not too far from you. I would be happy to
have you visit my Fjords. They are young horses and
are not rideable yet, but you could sure get a feel
for what the breed is like.
Lisa



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Re: Introduction

[Terry Hale]

This message is from: "Terry Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Lisa,
Darn those "horse monsters".

I laughed when I read your email.  I'm pushing 58, but your situation sounds
so similar to mine that I had to write.  I finally got seriously into horses
after the kids left for college (better late than never).  I had Appys and
enjoyed trail riding.  After breeding a couple of Appys and having too many
horses and no time to ride, I decided to join my friends who all had
Pinto/Arabs and try showing.  I've had a lot of fun and learned a lot, but
my Pinto/Arab is simply not the "family" horse I am dreaming about.  I've
got grown kids, a 3 year old grandson (more coming), and I would love to
have a couple of trustworthy, family-oriented horses.  I think the Fjords
are a good way to go.  I'm still looking.  Have my eye on one or two.

It is such a big step to sell my other horse, but I'd like to do lots more
trail riding and I'm tired of having to back my horse across water, and
having to always be on the lookout for those horse monsters that are going
to eat him (his words not mine).

Good luck on your Fjord.  Please let me know how it goes.

Roni Hale
Graham, Washington


- Original Message - 
From: "Lisa Sherrodd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 2:18 PM
Subject: Introduction


> This message is from: Lisa Sherrodd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Hello,
> I just subscribed to the list and thought I would take
> a moment to introduce myself. My name is Lisa and by
> this weekend I will have a new Fjord horse! I am very
> excited! I have been wanting a Fjord for several years
> and have finally decided to take the plunge.
>
> I come from a background of Arabian horses. I have had
> Arabs since I was 16 years old, (am now pushing 40).
> My last mare I had for 11 years, but had to come to
> the difficult realization that she was too hot for me.
> After I had children I seem to have lost a lot of my
> "nerve" and was weary of battling a horse that would
> jump a mile high if she saw any "horse monsters". It
> was a tough decision, but I sold her to a good friend
> who is thrilled to have her.
>
> After researching for a month, I found a 2 year old
> Fjord filly that I really like and will be heading to
> Montana to pick her up this weekend. You can see her
> pictures at www.lisadesigns.com/fancy
>
> We may also purchase another Fjord for my husband
> while we are there. I have been looking over several
> more in the area.
>
> In addition to the new Fjord, I also have Swedish
> Gotland ponies. They are an outstanding breed of pony.
> I have 6 year old twin daughters and purchased the
> ponies for them. They are remarkable. Very
> intelligent, calm, level headed, easy to train and
> personable. From all I have read of the Fjords, they
> seem very similar in temperment. My daughter had her
> first show last weekend and placed in a halter class
> against many flashy National Show Horses. I was
> thrilled! You can check out the Gotlands at
> www.gotlands.org (I am a web designer and helped the
> registry put this site together) My ponies are the
> palomino gelding on the front page, and the filly
> laying down with the two kids.
>
> That is it for now. Sorry to be so long! But I am
> excited and thrilled to be joining the world of Fjord
> horses!
> Lisa
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[Lynne & Larry Boe]

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- Original Message -
From: "Daniel/Deborah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:46 AM
Subject: Introduction


> This message is from: "Daniel/Deborah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Hi All,
>
> My name is Deborah Piercefield.  I have recently become very interested in
> Fjords.  I have been "in horses" almost all my life.  I have admired the
Fjord
> for a long time, and don't know why it has taken me so long in pursuit of
one
> of these wonderful equines.
>
> I am mostly just a pleasure rider, trails, parks, and would like to do
some
> parades.  I like to use English gear, but can go western every now and
then:o)
> I do have a little interest in dressage, which probably stems from my
> saddlebred years, the 1970's!  Oops, yes I am "older" now and prefer a
calmer,
> steadier horse!  I do own a Friesian mare who is the dearest thing.  I
ride
> her, but I do breed her, so she is out on foal duty some.  I have a
miniature
> horse gelding who keeps her company.
>
> I would love to find a Fjord, prefer well-trained to ride and drive, but
could
> be green.  Prefer a taller one, at least 14.2 hands.  Feel free to e-mail
me
> privately if you have something for sale.  I'm not interested in breeding,
so
> geldings would be great.  Me and my husband plan on trail riding this
spring
> and summer!
>
> I also want to say the Fjord people I have contacted have been the nicest,
> most helpful group of people!
>
> Regards,
> Deborah Piercefield
> Williamstown, Kentucky

Re: introduction

[Epona1971]

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In a message dated 6/30/02 12:10:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Hello, I am new to the fjord list and quite new to fjords. My name is 
Ruthie 
 Koch and I live in San Jose California where I am priviledged to play fjords 
 with Dagrun and Brigid >>

That's me :-D

Welcome to the list, Ruthie! So glad you finally joined us. Tinn is a 
delightful horse who is great to drive. Dagrun is busy making Quinn into a 
champion eventer (when she's not schooling my Fjords!). We also take the 
"boys" out for long trail rides which is good mental and physical exercise 
for them (and for us!).

The horse therapy is such a neat idea. Animals really have an emotional 
effect on people, helping them understand things. Tell us more about this? 

Brigid M Wasson 
San Francisco Bay Area, CA 
 http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Our 
http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Fjords
 http://www.ourfjords.freeservers.com/fw/Fjordings_Wesx.html";>
Fjordings West 
   / )__~  
/L /L  

Re: introduction

[RuthieKoch]

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Hello, I am new to the fjord list and quite new to fjords. My name is Ruthie 
Koch and I live in San Jose California where I am priviledged to play fjords 
with Dagrun and Brigid (also on this list.) I am the least experienced and 
most tentative getting back into horses in my 40's. Things do not move quite 
so easily as they did when I was younger. But I own a gelding named Tinn who 
is a fantastic horse. I have learned some about driving, thanks to Dagrun, 
and really love it. My husband is a Family Therapist and we have been trained 
to use our horses in psychotheraputic settings. That is probably my biggest 
love with our horses. I also own 1/2 of a beautiful gelding with Dagrun. His 
name is Quinn and he is gorgeous. I am an Educational Therapist by day, and 
hope to use our horses with my students too. I have enjoyed reading the last 
few issues of this digest and know I will learn a lot. Most of these things I 
haven't even thought about yet. Nice to meet you and hopefully I can find out 
more about each of you by looking in the archives. Ruthie Koch

Re: Introduction

[Jean Gayle]

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Welcome to the list and do not feel alone in the "fair weather" department.
We have the whole gamut of riding here.  Jean




Jean Walters Gayle
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Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ]
http://users.techline.com/jgayle
Send $20
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re. introduction, clicker training Klaus etc . .

[Stephen Nasby]

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No, I have never tried clicker training, but did go to a site this morning 
where a fellow taught his horses to retrieve balls and that sounded like 
fun. I used the word "good" instead of the clicker, but it could be 
convenient and less inconspicuous than even speaking.
I do know about Klaus Hempflings book and video, but did not know it had 
been translated into English yet. Where did you pick up yours?? One list I 
used to be on always raved about his work!

Heather



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re. introduction, clicker training Klaus etc . .

[Stephen Nasby]

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Oops, I hadn't read the bottom of the message, so didn't know you 
recommended where the book was available.

Sorry.
Heather



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Re: introduction

[Jean Ernest]

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 Hi Heather, Welcome to the list!

Have you tried clicker training with your horses?  You can really have some
fun with that and develop a good relationship. Teach him to retrieve, bow,
etc.  Here is more info: http://www.crisny.org/users/kurlanda/ 
Also, check out the book and video "DANCING WITH HORSES, The Art of Body
Language" by Klaus Ferdinand Hempfling. The video is absolutely gorgeous,
showing Klaus riding with absolutely no bridle or saddle.  The book is very
instructive. The set is available from Dover, or through Equus magazine.

Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, +10 this morning and more than 8 hours possible
sunlight!

- I taught my Arabian to do tricks (bow, 
>kneel, plie, shake, give a hug etc) and had wild dreams of some day giveing 
>bridleless demonstrations with tricks etc. 

Jean Ernest
Fairbanks, Alaska
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Re. introduction

[Stephen Nasby]

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Alison :
I'm from Yorkton/Melvile area. Yes, I have heard of Christ Irwin, but the 
clinic I was going to last year was cancelled, and I never heard of another 
one. Guess I'll have to search on the internet.

Anybody have websites of breeders from Alberta? I can't seem to find any.
Thank you
Heather


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Re: introduction

[Alison Bakken]

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Welcome to the list Heather,
 
Your Arab sound like some of my Fjords.  They are as helpful as your
horse.  
What part of Sask. are you in?
Have heard of Chris Irwin?  He is a horse trainer who lives in Sask. 
He is very good.  I have attended one of his clinic and learned a great
deal.

Alison Bakken
Sundre, Alberta

Re: Introduction & early Spring Babies.

[FjordAmy]

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In a message dated 2/11/2002 6:21:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Hi to all. I live with my family (7 of us) on a 160 acre farm in 
> Saskatchewan. 

Welcome Heather!  Hope you find all the information you need here, and that 
special Fjord horse soon.  I know how it is to drool over Fjords for over ten 
years before finally getting some!

Riddle of the day:  How many Fjords is enough?
Answer:  One more!

Weather is already looking like an early spring here in Central Oregon.  
Taffy is due to foal around the first of March.  All our foals are born 
outside due to the fact that we have no barn to put them into.  Last one was 
born on the nice clean grass of the back lawn (Mama was good enough to go 
into labor at 10:30 AM on Father's Day Sunday) with a cheering section of 3 
humans and one Border Collie who thinks she's a Fjord.  We plan to let Taffy 
have hers on the lawn too, as long as she doesn't get sneaky on us.  Our 
other mares have all seemed to wait for us to be there to foal.  We've been 
right there for 3 out of 3 so far!  

Amy


Amy Evers
Dun Lookin' Fjords
Redmond, OR
Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Introduction & trimming

[Jean Gayle]

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Jen I have very limited experience with gelding.  My Charley remained a
testing teasing horse but would have been a very strong stallion.  I
remember a little 11 mo old stud that came to help my filly in her weaning
time.  He had been an orphan and was skinny and half my six mo fillys size.
But he had a deep voice and "owned " the filly immediately.  She just wanted
to play.  When I entered the field I was fair game and he would run at me.
More than once I clipped him with a stick.  He had a very hoarse voice.

I had the Vet, with owners permission, geld him and with in days his voice
changed to a softer tone and he no longer attacked me but still did not like
me.

I guess I think they are softer and more concentrated on other things. More
likely to attach to people and not be so absorbed in "who is next?"   Jean
PS I use those phizer (sp) scissors but am now letting Gunnar's mane go til
spring to see what he will look like.  So far, a castaway unruly mess!!!








Jean Walters Gayle
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ]
http://users.techline.com/jgayle
Send $20
Three Horses Press
PO Box 104
Montesano, WA 98563

Re: Introduction & trimming

[Jennifer Kroll]

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Thanks. :) My friends prefer to call me Stubborn.. LOL..

He hasn't been studdy at all, thankfully. Do they get more laid back(and
maybe not so spooky?) after gelding?

He has only been wiith the cows and no horses for about a month and a half.
Im sure he still knows he is a horse..  He probably thinks the cows are
horses too, just fat slow ones with curly hair and long tongues, and goofy
accents. :)

Now, I have a question about trimming the manes. What do you use? an
electric trimmer? scissors? something else? Will a normal horse's mane stick
up like that if its trimmed? Or is it a Fjord thing. :) hehe


Jen & her .25 Fjord boy

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> This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Jennifer, welcome and I enjoyed reading about your boy.  You are a very
> determined gal, keep up the good work.  Think Lucky will be more like a
> fjord temperament when he is gelded.  Do you suppose he will know he is a
> horse with those cow buddies?Jean

Re: Introduction to the list.

[Carol J. Makosky]

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"Susan G. @-#--" wrote:

> This message is from: "Susan G. @-#--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Hello all!
>
> I have just joined this list, so here is a little introduction. My name is
> Susan, and I am from Brisbane, Australia. I have just finished a three year
> Bachelor of Applied Science (Equine Studies) at Charles Sturt University in
> Wagga Wagga. I'm hoping to do veterinary science next year at Murdoch
> University in Perth.
>
> I currently do not own a horse, though I was leasing a TB gelding for the
> last year.

Hi Susan,
Welcome to the list.  It is nice to hear from someone so far away.  I don't
believe we have many on this list from down under.


--
"Built FJORD tough"
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
Northern Wisconsin

Re: Introduction to the list.

[Jean Gayle]

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Welcome Susan, I am sure you will find answers to your questions here on the
list.  Great people.  Jean






Jean Walters Gayle
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ]
http://users.techline.com/jgayle
Send $20
Three Horses Press
PO Box 104
Montesano, WA 98563

Re: Introduction

[Epona1971]

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Welcome Pamela! Sounds like you are doing GREAT with your Fjords. First place 
in Riata's first CDE?! Best wishes for a speedy recovery... a good reminder 
for everyone to be careful, as even a pro can be seriously hurt driving or 
riding. 

Interesting that many people enjoy both Fjords and Arabs, who couldn't be 
more opposite horses : )

Happy Fjording,

Brigid Wasson
San Francisco Bay Area, CA
 http://members.nbci.com/mrgnpetsit/fjord1";>Our Fjords 

Re: Introduction

[Epona1971]

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In a message dated 10/29/00 4:57:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<   My name is Reena.  I live in Calif. >>

Welcome Reena!

I am also in CA, in the SF Bay Area. My Fjords live in Half Moon Bay.

Brigid

Re: Introduction

[Reena]

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Hi Karen, yes it is the same Gustav!!!  He (Gustav) is well loved out at the
barn by all who see him!!

He is now a gelding (Karen D. had him gelded before selling him) and I feel
very fortunate to have been able to purchase him! :-)

reena
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To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: Introduction


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Hi Reena & welcome to the List & to 'Fjordom'!
Did you purchase your Gus from Karen Dale?
Just wondering, as my Stallion , Sven, had a son by that name & Karen had
him in the San Luis Obispo/Atascadero area.

Karen McCarthy
Great Basin Fjords
Carson City, NV

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Re: Introduction

[Karen McCarthy]

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Hi Reena & welcome to the List & to 'Fjordom'!
Did you purchase your Gus from Karen Dale?
Just wondering, as my Stallion , Sven, had a son by that name & Karen had 
him in the San Luis Obispo/Atascadero area.


Karen McCarthy
Great Basin Fjords
Carson City, NV

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Re: introduction

[kngould]

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Thanks, Jean! Your email is printed out and is one of the first in my "Horse
Info" notebook. I am learning from this list already!
Kim Gould
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To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: introduction


> This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Hi Kim and welcome.  If you are buying fjords or other small or warmblood
> horses always ask re their feeding habits.  I have two "easy keepers"
> something your big horse was not.  I have watched people starve their new
> regular horses after having owned "easy keepers".  And vice versa I have
> watched people who had regular eaters founder their new "easy keepers"
> through lack of knowledge.  For this reason when you are planning your
> pastures have at least a small area where a horse can be contained without
> grazing.  Here in northwest Washington we have to be careful as the new
> grass comes on as it is quite rich and sets a horse who may be founder
prone
> to founder quickly.  This has already started with the new grass much
> earlier this year. Global warming I presume.
>
> Muzzles also work if they restrict the amount of grass and this way the
> horse is allowed to be with the others and moving about.  Just a thought.
> Jean
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jean Gayle
> Aberdeen, WA
> [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
> Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ]
> http://www.techline.com/~jgayle
> Barnes & Noble Book Stores
>
>

Re: introduction

[Jean Gayle]

This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi Kim and welcome.  If you are buying fjords or other small or warmblood
horses always ask re their feeding habits.  I have two "easy keepers"
something your big horse was not.  I have watched people starve their new
regular horses after having owned "easy keepers".  And vice versa I have
watched people who had regular eaters founder their new "easy keepers"
through lack of knowledge.  For this reason when you are planning your
pastures have at least a small area where a horse can be contained without
grazing.  Here in northwest Washington we have to be careful as the new
grass comes on as it is quite rich and sets a horse who may be founder prone
to founder quickly.  This has already started with the new grass much
earlier this year. Global warming I presume.

Muzzles also work if they restrict the amount of grass and this way the
horse is allowed to be with the others and moving about.  Just a thought.
Jean






Jean Gayle
Aberdeen, WA
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ]
http://www.techline.com/~jgayle
Barnes & Noble Book Stores

Re: Introduction and filly for sale

[Jean Gayle]

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Welcome Jennifer and hope you take an active part in the discussions.
Always interested in every side of a situation and everyone's own
experience.  Jean






Jean Gayle
Aberdeen, WA
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ]
http://www.techline.com/~jgayle
Barnes & Noble Book Stores

Re: Introduction and filly for sale

[Heithingi]

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Hello Jenifer,

Welcome to the list!  Hope you have lots of fun with your new Fjord, they are 
great!

Lynda and Daniel
Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
White Cloud, MI
http://hometown.aol.com/heithingi/BaileysNorwegianFjords.html

Re: Introduction and filly for sale

[Bushnell's]

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At 08:37 PM 03/12/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>This message is from: "Tom & Jenifer Morrissey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Hello.
>
>I have been lurking on the list since November and am woefully behind on
>reading digests.  Too much fun to be outside with my ponies!
>
>I bought my first fjord horse last month (February.)  OH Torrin 
.  He's a gray dun, and his adolescent energy is a delightful
>addition to our place.  I intend to train him for my husband's use as ranch
>transportation, as my husband is blind, and our terrain is very rough.
.>I've returned to my childhood love of equines only recently and am
enjoying
>my time with the ponies.
>

WELCOME to the list Jenifer! Hope we hear from you often  =))

Ruthie, NW MT
>

Re: Introduction

[Starfire Farm, LLC]

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Hi Danny,

Welcome to the list.  There are a number of fjords out there who are
accomplished jumpers!  Check them out on the NFHR website at
http://www.nfhr.com

--
Beth Beymer & Sandy North
Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO
www.starfirefarm.com

Re: introduction of a lurker

[Kathy Spiegel]

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Jean Gayle wrote:

> This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Regarding fjords being "muley".  I was sitting in the bleachers at Libby and
> a seven foot cowboy sat down next to me.  Well, maybe not seven foot but
> with those cowboy boots..  He did not seem too taken by the fjords so I
> went to work re their intelligence etc.  I mentioned some had thought of
> crossing them with mules but then they would be too smart for us.  He
> scoffed at this pointing out that mules are sterile.  I remember somewhere
> back in the cobwebs that one mule is not sterile.  I naturally tried to
> debate him but the facts were to fuzzy.  He left shortly so who is right?
> What is factual re this??
>
> Jean Gayle
> Aberdeen, WA
> [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
> Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ]
> http://www.techline.com/~jgayle
> Barnes & Noble Book Stores

Gayle,
I think someone has already clarified the mule issue on this net. It is a
hybrid.   Mules are interesting because they combine the features of two animals
with very different social and physical characteristics.  They are smart and do
make good mounts for riding and also for just about anything a horse can do
depending on the mare and the jack used to make the cross. Mules have performed
well in various competitions . Temperament usually relects that of the mare and
the environment but in general they are people oriented and responsive.
However, training can be a challenge.  They do better when allowed to mature a
little.   . They do not do things to please YOU but will do them if they
consider it in THEIR best interest.  To me it is not a negative but when I hear
a horse described as being muley, the negative thoughts do surface because many
people equate mule with stubborn and mean. Crossing a Fjord mare and a Jack
would result in a Fjord Mule which actually might be a dynamite  cross, but  it
is illegal according to the Registry rules.  However, if you can get the same
characteristics in a horse such as a Fjord, I would rather raise the horse and
enjoy the satisfaction of  selective breeding, raising the colts  and  improving
a line or breed. As nice as they can be, a mule is essentially a dead end.  The
selective process is not there.  You are limited to selecting the traits in the
sire and dam and hoping that your mule gets the good parts.  Each time you want
a specific trait, you have to go back and make the Jack and Mare cross, you
can't take mules that are almost what you want and breed to mules who have more
of the desired trait or back to a horse with the desired trait.  Some horses
also do not respond well to mules so it can be problematic if you take your mule
out with a bunch of horses. These are the main reasons I am looking at Fjords.
They appear to have some of the best characteristics of mules, with the
advantage of being attractive and breedable.  By the way - thank you all  for
your responses.  I now have some good leads and places to start looking for my
Fjords.  I also enjoy reading your comments.  It sounds like a nice bunch of
folks.

Re: introduction of a lurker

[Denise Delgado]

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welcome kathy!!!  fjords are good and sound like they would fit the bill
for your future plans.  denise

Re: introduction of a lurker

[Marsha Jo Hannah]

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> "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am still not sure I like the "muley" bit about Fjords as fjords do
> change.  I have watched mules being "muley" when nothing will alter
> their behavior.  One was being trained here as a hopeless reining
> mule.  Everytime he passed a certain area of the arena, whether at a
> lope or walk he slammed to a stop.  [...] the mule got a good 
> whipping which would eventually drive him forward and then he
> would stop in the exact same place

That's sad, particularly since the mule was only doing something that
he had (probably inadvertently) been taught.  He could probably be
retrained by someone who knows what he's doing.

Someone once made the comment that "Mules MUST be trained the way
horses SHOULD be trained"---carefully and methodically---no shortcuts.
They can learn very quickly, but getting them to UN-learn something,
particularly after a misunderstanding, can be tough.  I've been there
with my donkey---I made the mistake of teaching her to lead using a
butt rope, then (years later) had a heck of a time getting her to hold
the cart back via the breeching---she "remembered" that pressure on
her bottom meant "Move forward", and the harder it pushed, the faster
she went forward!  Oops

When donkeys/mules are properly trained, this can be a good
feature---they "stay trained" (some horses, if you give them a week
off, you have to start over).  Fjords share the ability to retain
their lessons, but seem to be more forgiving of training mistakes.
And, Fjords do have some of the donkey/mule instincts---they "freeze"
first to assess a danger, rather than automatically doing the
flight-or-fight thing.  This can be hard for a horse-only trainer to
figure out.  IMO, someone who can successfully train mules is better
equipped to train Fjords.

Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   anything that can go wrong, will!
30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif.
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Re: introduction of a lurker

[Jean Gayle]

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Thank you Marsha for the very good info.  I knew somewhere there had been an
odd one or more.  I think I mentioned here before the crossing of white
shetland mares with zebra stallions to get the Zeony with a rare clustering
of chromosomes.  I am still not sure I like the "muley" bit about Fjords as
fjords do change.  I have watched mules being "muley" when nothing will
alter their behavior.  One was being trained here as a hopeless reining
mule.  Everytime he passed a certain area of the arena, whether at a lope or
walk he slammed to a stop.  The very frustrated owner had a very long whip
that reached the mules hind legs and the mule got a good whipping which
would eventually drive him forward and then he would stop in the exact same
place and they would go through the whole thing again.  I left.


Jean Gayle
Aberdeen, WA
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ]
http://www.techline.com/~jgayle
Barnes & Noble Book Stores

Re: introduction of a lurker

[Marsha Jo Hannah]

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> "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Regarding fjords being "muley". [...]  I mentioned some had thought
> of crossing them with mules but then they would be too smart for us.
> He scoffed at this pointing out that mules are sterile.  I remember
> somewhere back in the cobwebs that one mule is not sterile. [...]
> What is factual re this??

Um, actually, we were talking about breeding Fjord mares to donkey
jacks, to produce "Fjord mules".  Which NFHR has now made "illegal"

Mules in general are sterile (they have 63 chromosomes, which can't
tidily divide in two, then recombine, as required for reproduction).
However, very-very-rarely a molly (female mule) ends up with
horse-like chromosomes.  There was one in Colorado about 10 years ago,
who was bred twice by her father, and produced 2 mule colts---well
documented, with lots of DNA analysis.  The joke going around was that
her foals were the first true "quarter horses", and that they also
provided the answer to the old wise crack, "What's the other 3/4?"

Frankly, part of what led me to Fjords was that they are "muley".  I
started my equine involvement with a donkey, and was shopping for a
riding mule, when I was introduced to Fjords.  To my mind, Fjords have
the best of both worlds---the horse attitude ("OK, we can do that"),
without the horse "silliness" (I really like an equine who'll stop to
think, vs "run now, ask questions later").  The fact that they've got
this great "primitive" coloration (like donkeys and mules, missing
only the shoulder stripe) doesn't hurt.  ;-)  When a mule-riding friend
inquired why I was no longer in the market for a mule, I told her I'd
found a breed of horses that was good enough that I didn't need a mule!

However, having started with a donkey left me well positioned to
understand Fjords.  I was already in the habit of feeding lightly.  I
knew better than to try to "frighten them forward" or pick a fight
with them.  And, I was used to the fact that tack generally doesn't
fit

Marsha Jo HannahTreasurer and Membership Secretary,
Woodside, CaliforniaBay Area Donkey and Mule Society
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   (North-Central California)
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Re: introduction of a lurker

[Jean Gayle]

This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Regarding fjords being "muley".  I was sitting in the bleachers at Libby and
a seven foot cowboy sat down next to me.  Well, maybe not seven foot but
with those cowboy boots..  He did not seem too taken by the fjords so I
went to work re their intelligence etc.  I mentioned some had thought of
crossing them with mules but then they would be too smart for us.  He
scoffed at this pointing out that mules are sterile.  I remember somewhere
back in the cobwebs that one mule is not sterile.  I naturally tried to
debate him but the facts were to fuzzy.  He left shortly so who is right?
What is factual re this??


Jean Gayle
Aberdeen, WA
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ]
http://www.techline.com/~jgayle
Barnes & Noble Book Stores

Re: introduction of a lurker

[Lori Albrough]

This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> This message is from: Kathy Spiegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> although I am a little concerned about the description in one of your
> comments about them being "muley".  

Hi Kathy:

I don't recall where the "muley" comment originated - but I take it by
"muley" you mean stubborn? I would not characterize the fjords as stubborn,
but more as "thinkers". They do like to take their time to think through
something new, and if you give them the "processing" time they need, they
will gladly do what you want. They also like to know who is in charge, and
if you aren't, then they are happy to fill the position. This can result in
a pushy horse who is accustomed to doing his own thing. By the owner being
in charge I don't mean yelling and striking and domineering the horse,
rather calm matter-of-fact insistence on correct and acceptable behaviour. 

I've never handled a mule - so I don't know, maybe they are the same way?
but the term "muley" to me has negative connotations. Fjords aren't muley,
they are smart and "character-rich".

Lori

Re: introduction of a lurker

[Epona1971]

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Welcome Kathy-

Don't worry about Fjords being "muley," it's part of their charm! After all, 
who can beat a mule for being steady, surefooted, etc.? 

Fjorsd certainly have a "novelty." If you decide to buy a Fjord, you will 
quickly become very popular with local horse people! I have people who even 
bring their kids to look at my horses. Today a lady was visiting my ranch 
(well, not MINE, but where I board). Anyway, the lady really admired Rafael 
and said he looks like a teddy bear. An 100lb teddy bear with an attitude is 
more like it : )

Check out www.fjordpony.com for info on available Fjords. Web master Betsy 
Bauer is very helpful.

Brigid

Re: introduction

[Jean Gayle]

This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Great idea Ellen and I will try it where Gunnar's mane falls over and see if
it straightens up.  Thanks Jean Gayle
-Original Message-
From: Ellen O Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 3:13 PM
>He wetted down the mane with skimmed milk (fat free milk) if the mane
didn't
>stand up quite strait, and sometimes he even brushed and blow-dried it
until the
>milk had dried  I tried it on a fjord, and after the mane stood as >
>Ellen
>
>
>
>

Re: introduction

[Ellen O Warren]

This message is from: Ellen O Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hello!

Jean Gayle wrote:

> This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Hi Ellen, welcome aboard.  Maybe we should ship you a few fjords to get
> Korea more interested in real horses.  Best of luck, Jean Gayle Aberdeen, Wa

Thank you for the welcome, and please do send some fjords! that's one of the few
breeds that could make it here with what they feed the horses... ! the horses
here are mostly thoroughbreds and they do NOT do well with it;-(

I just went to the fjord horse home site and read the page about how to trim a
fjord horses main. I have no idea if this has ever been suggested here or not,
but thought I'd share an old Norwegian farmers "fjord-hair-dressing-trick"..;-)
He wetted down the mane with skimmed milk (fat free milk) if the mane didn't
stand up quite strait, and sometimes he even brushed and blow-dried it until the
milk had dried  I tried it on a fjord, and after the mane stood as strait as
a soldier.. for ever, and since the milk was fat free it didn't smell (I think
it might with regular milk). And, the mane got really extra white on the
white;-)
It made it easier to cut a mane that had been overgrown for a while, and had
started to lay down as a result;-)
This might be old news here, but since I thought about it I wanted to tell you
if it wasn't ;-))

Ellen


English pages: Motivate your horse! Natural and positive training
Home page: http://www.visitweb.com/elleno
Video page: http://www.visitweb.com/horse

Norwegian pages: Motiver din hest! Positiv och naturlig trening
Home page: http://www.visitweb.com/hest
Video page: http://www.visitweb.com/motiver

Re: introduction

[Jean Gayle]

This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi Ellen, welcome aboard.  Maybe we should ship you a few fjords to get
Korea more interested in real horses.  Best of luck, Jean Gayle Aberdeen, Wa
-Original Message-
From: Ellen O Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 9:24 AM
Subject:  introduction


>This message is from: Ellen O Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Hello everybody and Happy Easter!
>
>I am new to this list so I thought I’d make a little introduction of
>myself.
>Ellen O Warren
>
>
>--
>
>
>English pages: Motivate your horse! Natural and positive training
>Home page: http://www.visitweb.com/elleno
>Video page: http://www.visitweb.com/horse
>
>
>Norwegian pages: Motiver din hest! Positiv och naturlig trening
>Home page: http://www.visitweb.com/hest
>Video page: http://www.visitweb.com/motiver
>
>
>
>

Re: Introduction and Milk Thistle

[wcoli]

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Ceacy,
Welcome to the list! Interesting that we only live about 10 miles 
apart, but the first contact we have in quite a while is "virtual".
Bill Coli

Re: Introduction

[Mike May]

This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

At 01:26 PM 12/30/98 -0500, you wrote:
>This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>I need info on selecting a healthy horse, questions to ask the breeder, which
>healthproblems to look for, books to read, I need to brush up on husbandry,
>healthcare, vaccinations, worming, etc. training, driving, any
>bookrecommendations, websites? What to look for in a good equine Veterinarian,
>which questions to ask the Vet., basically anything that has to do with
>general horsecare here in the US.

Well I can recommend the NFHR's web site for one.  From there you will find
a lot of links to other sites as well.  For the Vet info I think probably
Brian Jacobsen will be able to help you out there.  He is on the list and
he and his wife are both Vet's in North Carolina.  He is a great help to
all of us here on the list.  There are several other Fjord owning Vets here
as well.

Mike



==

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Mike May, Registrar
Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester)
Voice 716-872-4114
FAX 716-787-0497

 http://www.nfhr.com 
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Re: Introduction

[jean gayle]

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle)

Hi Dagmar, I would like to ask where you lived in Germany and where you live
now in Wahington State   Jean Gayle

>
Jean Gayle  --- A Subscriber at Techline 

Re: Introduction

[jean gayle]

This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle)

Hi Karen, I am in Aberdeen and assume you are talking about Mary Beth
Johnson?  Did not know she had married again.  She used to ride my 17 2/1/2
Trakehner, charlie, who went on to win well into third level before he
injured his leg.  Yes I have my horses on five acres here and lost my little
beloved fjord to bad vetting in June.  It about crippled me, but I am still
looking but the prices are too high for untrained horses and it is hard to
find the right one.  I may be able to lease one for the winter, we will see.
What is causing your many accidents?  Jean

>This message is from: Jodie Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> My name is Reena and I just subscribed to the list! I don't have a Fjord but
>> hope in the very near future I will~have to sell my current horse first!
>> 
>> I am somewhat familiar with the Fjords as I volunteer at riding therapy
>> program once a week and there are three of them there!  I just love them!
>> 
>> At my barn, there is one for sale, but like I said, got to sell my horse
>> first!  Any comments, suggestions, insights etc., on Fjords horses would be
>> appreciated since I don't have my own yet.
>
>So, complete the introduction now--where are you, what do you like to do
>with your horses (trail ride, fox hunt, drive, etc.), and so on--don't
>leave us hanging! :) :)
>
>
>---
>Jodie Gilmore
>Freelance Technical Writer
>Washougal, WA
>
>
Jean Gayle  --- A Subscriber at Techline 

Re: Introduction

[Jodie Gilmore]

This message is from: Jodie Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> My name is Reena and I just subscribed to the list! I don't have a Fjord but
> hope in the very near future I will~have to sell my current horse first!
> 
> I am somewhat familiar with the Fjords as I volunteer at riding therapy
> program once a week and there are three of them there!  I just love them!
> 
> At my barn, there is one for sale, but like I said, got to sell my horse
> first!  Any comments, suggestions, insights etc., on Fjords horses would be
> appreciated since I don't have my own yet.

So, complete the introduction now--where are you, what do you like to do
with your horses (trail ride, fox hunt, drive, etc.), and so on--don't
leave us hanging! :) :)


---
Jodie Gilmore
Freelance Technical Writer
Washougal, WA

Re: Introduction

[BKFJORDS]

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Hello Reena,
Welcome to the list!!
Bernadine Karns in Michigan

Re: Introduction

[Mike May]

This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

At 05:07 PM 6/22/98 +0200, you wrote:
>This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Hello, everybody!
>
>Well, now you know a little about me! It´s great to be aboard!

Hi Anneli,

Great to have you on board.  It sounds like you have done an awful lot with
Fjords.  It is great to have someone with such experience with them on the
list.  Welcome!

Mike


==

Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry
Mike May, Registrar
Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester)
Voice 716-872-4114
FAX 716-787-0497

 http://www.nfhr.com 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Re: Introduction

[Mike May]

This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

At 07:20 AM 5/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>This message is from: "Jon A. Ofjord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Mary: Look on the International Fjord
Net:http://www.thier.nl/fjord/index.html
>He (Roland Thier) had a survey like you are looking for on ages of Fjords.
>Also the largest Fjord.

I was just there and couldn't find anything on ages or sizes of Fjords.
Where did you find this?



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http://www.nfhr.com  
Mike May, Registrar
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Voice 716-872-4114
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Re: Introduction

[wcoli]

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  We really have no idea how old they get.  The oldest one we were
aware of was 27 years old when he died.  

As hard as it is to imagine, we were informed last year that our stud 
Ring's father (Apollo) was still servicing mares and still being used 
at age 40. 

Re: Introduction

[Jon A. Ofjord]

This message is from: "Jon A. Ofjord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

At 09:00 PM 5/12/98 -0700, you wrote:
>This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>Hello Everyone,
>
>Guess it's about time I introduced myself, although I have sent a few
>messages since I joined the list.  My name is Mary Thurman.  My
>husband, Fred, and I live in northwestern Washington state.  We have
>had Fjords since 1986, when we bought a white dun mare and a foal from
>Unrau's.  We spent a few years raising a few foals, and have kept
>three of our Fjords.  We still have the white dun mare, Line.  She is
>now 27 years old and going strong.  We no longer breed her - she is
>our lawn mower.  We also have two geldings - both three year olds. 
>One is Line's grandson, Raintree's Sindar
>(Misha x Raintree's Flikke) and the other one we got from Phil Petty
>as a weanling.  His name is Glendar (Anvil's Rikolv x Paska).  They
>are both in training as  riding horses at the present time.  We enjoy
>the Fjord list and find a lot of the information useful.  Sometime we
>should run a survey just to see how old some of the Fjords out there
>are.  We really have no idea how old they get.  The oldest one we were
>aware of was 27 years old when he died.  Anyone have any ideas how to
>run a survey?
>
>Mary
>
>
>
>==
>Mary Thurman
>Raintree Farms
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Mary: Look on the International Fjord Net:http://www.thier.nl/fjord/index.html
He (Roland Thier) had a survey like you are looking for on ages of Fjords.
Also the largest Fjord.
>
>_
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>

Re: Introduction

[Mike May]

This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

At 09:00 PM 5/12/98 -0700, you wrote:
>This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>Hello Everyone,
>
>Guess it's about time I introduced myself, although I have sent a few
>messages since I joined the list.  My name is Mary Thurman.  My
>husband, Fred, and I live in northwestern Washington state.  We have
>had Fjords since 1986, when we bought a white dun mare and a foal from
>Unrau's.  We spent a few years raising a few foals, and have kept
>three of our Fjords.  We still have the white dun mare, Line.  She is
>now 27 years old and going strong.  We no longer breed her - she is
>our lawn mower.  We also have two geldings - both three year olds. 
>One is Line's grandson, Raintree's Sindar
>(Misha x Raintree's Flikke) and the other one we got from Phil Petty
>as a weanling.  His name is Glendar (Anvil's Rikolv x Paska).  They
>are both in training as  riding horses at the present time.  

Hi Mary!  Welcome to the list.

>We enjoy
>the Fjord list and find a lot of the information useful.  Sometime we
>should run a survey just to see how old some of the Fjords out there
>are.  We really have no idea how old they get.  The oldest one we were
>aware of was 27 years old when he died.  Anyone have any ideas how to
>run a survey?


I am about to leave for a couple of days but would be willing to run some
numbers for you when I get back.  I can tell you that SONJA  AT-G-007-M
owned by Dick Mcguire in Ennis MT was born 1/1/67.  She is our oldest
recorded living horse.  I am sure that the 1/1/67 is not the real date of
birth but she is probably a 67 foal.  

The next oldest is NANSY  2071-A  born 5/6/69.




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http://www.nfhr.com  
Mike May, Registrar
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester)

 Voice 716-872-4114
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Re: introduction

[Julie Will]

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At 01:45 PM 4/30/98 -0700, you wrote:
>This message is from: Terry Bruno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Hello,
>
>Welcome aboard, Terry.  Yes, these little darlings can walk all over you.  I
think John Lyons combination of "round pen" training augmented with his
suggestions for leading work very well.  You do have to be VERY firm, and VERY
consistant.  Good luck and hope to see you around!  Julie @ Old Hickory Farm,
Weedsport, New York 

Re: Introduction / Quest comment

[Alison Barr]

This message is from: "Alison Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
>
> Now folks, something you should enjoy   talking up your wonderful breed
> (and who doesn't love to talk about their horses?).  I want to hear it all!
>  I don't know that much about Fjords.  I've read they are very versatile.

They are.  Fj is my pony club horse, so he jumps, does dressage (his strong
point), PPG games (a wide variety of ridden games involving picking things up,
dropping them in buckets, popping balloons, hanging things up, lots of flags,
and allot more) as well as driving as a passtime

> What is the Fjord's trot like?  Is it mostly smooth and
> comfortable to ride?

I find it verry nice.  Especially bareback, noone can beat them.

> Are Fjords
> for the most part easy keepers?

I think that they could probably live on air, but they lie allot and tell you
their starving.TTFN!

Re: Introduction / Quest comment

[the Sessoms']

This message is from: "the Sessoms'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Welcome to the list Jami!  Jami writes ...

>>>   I want to hear it all!
I don't know that much about Fjords.  I've read they are very versatile.

All I do is pleasure/trail ride and baby my horses, something I'm sure
the
Fjord can excel at.  As you can see from the breeds I own, I'm used to
gaited horses.  What is the Fjord's trot like?  Is it mostly smooth and
comfortable to ride?  My fat body doesn't like a lot of jarring.  Are
Fjords
for the most part easy keepers?   <<<

I have a very limited experience with the Fjord horse but I believe my
two are typical of the breed.  They seem to have a slightly different
sense of being than other horses, and they seem to look at me as one of
them more than other horses do.  I am very comfortable with them,
although, like others on the list have mentioned, my yearling manages to
intimidate me occasionally, so until I am more competent I try to avoid
getting into situations where my standing will be questioned by her. I'm
not crazy about lunging with Aagot because she wears me plumb out.  She
has me well trained to lunge in the natural horsemanship method; she
won't let me stop until I lick my lips, bow my head three times while
briskly trotting circles around her, and when she lets me come in I must
follow her like a puppy after she rubs my forehead.  Then she'll let me
go munch chips and watch 'Days'!  Seriously, I am such a rookie at
lunging that she turns away, sets the rope against her neck and walks
off; and she's learned several other tricks in a few sessions ... so ...
anyhow, I did make a little progress with her before I decided to leave
the training to someone better qualified, for now.  At the very least I
need to study some good videos and watch people training yearlings to
lunge.

I am with QH's, a QH/Morgan cross, an Appy, a Standardbred trotter and
several grade horses when I go to riding lessons.  Although I enjoy the
handsome, well-bred QH's and a grade mare, it thrills me to be with my
'ladies'.  I love to come home to my cobby, little, gentle-eyed,
sweet-sweet Fjordings.  They even feel and smell nicer to me.  One thing
I like about my Labradors is that they move my speed, they don't react
ultra-fast like some dog breeds do; and my Fjords are like that too -
they move my speed.  They also seem to interact with me and appreciate
my company more than other horses I have known.  Young Aagot is always
in my back pocket.

Dorina has a very strong, smooth, easy to ride trot.

And mine are easy-keepers.  I would dearly love to be able to feed my 14
year old Dorina oats when I feed grain to growing Aagot, but she would
get way too fat.

The Fjord horse does excel as a trail horse and as a recipient of much
babying!  ttyl

Meredith Sessoms
Soddy-Daisy TN
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
-  Dorina  -  NFR Aagot  - - -  Fjords
-  Caper  -  Carly  -  Crickett  - - - Labradors

Re: Introduction

[Alison Barr]

This message is from: "Alison Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>   Jim's horse is a 7 year old
> Foundation bred QH.  I can really see the difference in their temperament.
> The QH appears to be much more sensitive - to noises, sights, touch, etc.
> The QH is also more into mischief in general.  Do not know if this is
> typical.  Gunthar would never bother trying to rush a gate, or fiddle with
> the latches.  He just stands there and looks at you in a knowing way with
> his big brown eyes.

I actually find that Fj gets into more gener al mischief than the average
horse, but less trouble. for example, Fj will untie himself, but won't move.  A
few days ago he really scared me by trying to jump an abnormally high barbed
wire fence, and only getting half over, but he didn't move, and didn't get hurt
at all.

>
>
> Gunthar has a definite tendency to decide he is boss.  I had to start using
> a chain lead and carrying a TTEAM whip when walking through the grassy areas
> outside his paddock.  Otherwise I had no practical control over his
> snatching at grass and generally being disobedient.  He has also learned
> (before I got him as far as I can tell) how to strategically use his neck to
> escape tasks he does not like - like loading into a trailer he thinks is
> inadequate.  He gets his body turned away from you (so your leverage is gone
> and then takes off with a little buck - NOt FUN).  I've been considering
> using an extra long lead rope (perhaps heavy nylon that does not loop around
> your hand easily) on him so I can recover if he tries this.  It is pretty
> predictable - when put under pressure.  Would be interested in hearing how
> others have adapted to the fact that Fjords have an incredibly strong neck -
> and can learn how to use it to their advantage!

> Same problem as Fj.  The trick is not to let them drop the outside shoulder.
> Once they've dropped it, you loose controll of their head and body. I always
> keep one hand around on the other side of his head. when he tries to evade
> me, I just dig my nails (almost non-existent ones) into his mussle or
> nostril.  Another Idea suggesdted to me on days when their at their worst is
> to either put on the bridle, or attach the rope (without chain) to the right
> side of the halter, run the rope through his mouth, and through the left side
> ring.