Re: [gentoo-user] Editing files with Xemacs
Hareesh Nagarajan wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:14:24 +0100, Jean Magnan de Bornier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 1. When I open a Tex file in XEmacs I am presented with the fundamental mode. I then have to change the mode to Tex mode. What do I add to my init.el to make this happen by default? emerge app-xemacs/auctex then read the basics of auctex to have it loaded at startup I already have auctex. The point is, when I open a Tex file, the mode doesn't change automatically. I'm using emacs, maybe it is different with xemacs I have this in my .emacs (require 'tex-site) hth, -- Jean Magnan de Bornier Cours Victor Hugo 13980 Alleins T 08 70 39 34 03 P 06 09 17 35 87 e-mots: jean at bornier.net -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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Re: [gentoo-user] SoundCard Issue
Hey Does anyone have ideas for this? Its been quite a while since anyone has responded. Thanks! Ian K wrote: Walter Dnes wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 11:21:03PM +, Ian K wrote Please also note that the appropriate kernel option for my card: Device drivers ->Sound ->->Sound Card Support (*) ->->->ALSA ->->->->ALSA (*) ->->->->ISA Devices ->->->->->Yamaha OPL3-SA2/SA3 (M) Upon modprobing (modprobe snd-opl3sa2), I get FATAL: Error inserting snd_opl3sa2 (lib/modules/2.6.10-rc3-love1/kernel/sound.isa/snd-opl3sa2.ko): No such device. Now we're at the clutching-at-straws stage. Have you tried compiling the sound driver into the kernel, rather than building it as a module? This should at least avoid the modprobe stage. Yes I have, in fact it was in trouble shooting the builtin driver, that my friend recommended using modules instead. Thanks! Ian -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list begin:vcard fn:Ian K n:K;Ian email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] note;quoted-printable:Pentium 3=0D=0A= 500mHz=0D=0A= 256MB RAM=0D=0A= 80.0GB HDD=0D=0A= ATI Radeon 7000 Evil Wizard 64MB=0D=0A= Computer name: "PentaQuad"=0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:TRUE version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread
http://www.acronymfinder.com/ - Has quite a few Dennis Taylor wrote: Do we have an acronym list so that those of us who have been out of circulation for a few years could find out what things like MUA mean? Many of them I can guess, and some I remember from years ago, but I have recently seen many that leave me clueless. -Original Message- From: Holly Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken Andrea Barisani wrote: and probably leaving the old setup is the best choice since I have no time to discuss this and tell people how to configure their MUA. Anybody have the time and knowledge to write something for the docs page about basic MUA configuration for the most common MUAs in use on Gentoo (mutt, pine, KMail, Thunderbird/MozMail)? That way, both the admin and the users could be comfortable. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- This site uses frames And yet your browser does not. One of these will change. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A perfect example
Collins Richey wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:37:53 +0100, Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I accept that header-munging is incorrect behaviour, however it solves some real usage issues, albeit in an imperfect fashion. Maybe instead of arguing about "to mung or not to mung", we should be trying to find or create an alternative that solves the issues in a way more satisfying to everyone-- in other words, fix what's actually 'broken' (whether that be fixing one of the solutions, educating the users, or doing something completely new), rather than argue over which imperfect solution is less imperfect than the other. Or maybe, with 100% hindsight, make it a policy to follow normal business practices: 1. Decide the correct approach. 2. Test the effects. 3. Perhaps, gasp, even discuss this with others. 4. Notify the user-base in advance. 5. Provide some suggestions for hardship cases. 6. Stick by your guns. Of course, if you really prefer lots of whining, foist the change on the users with no advance warning. After all, we only want gurus on the list, so everyone will know what happened and what to do. Nicely put:) -- Ted Ozolins(VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge MythDVD does not provide.... MythDVD
Try going into the src directory and running make uninstall. -- David On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:14:05 -0500, Michael Haan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nope - I'm running mythfrontend. I think it has to do with the > difference b/t mythtv as installed by a compile from source vs an > install via emerge. I just don't know how to fix it. Any idea how > best to un-install something I installed via compile? > > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:59:52 -0500, David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > MythDVD should be in the Optical Disc option from the frontend's main > > menu. Are you running "mythtv" or "mythfrontend" when you start up > > mythtv? You should be using "mythfrontend" otherwise you won't see > > the main menu or have any way to get to it. > > -- > > David > > > > > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:51:33 -0500, Michael Haan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I installed MythTV 0.17 by downloading source and compiling on Gentoo > > > with kernel 2.6.10. Then I decided I wanted MythDVD and decided to > > > get it by emerging it. So I did. The emerge also pulled down mythtv, > > > and all went weill in the build process. However, after the fact, I > > > cannot find anyway to access the MythDVD functionality. Anyone? > > > -- > > > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > > > > > > > -- > > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > > > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge MythDVD does not provide.... MythDVD
Nope - I'm running mythfrontend. I think it has to do with the difference b/t mythtv as installed by a compile from source vs an install via emerge. I just don't know how to fix it. Any idea how best to un-install something I installed via compile? On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:59:52 -0500, David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MythDVD should be in the Optical Disc option from the frontend's main > menu. Are you running "mythtv" or "mythfrontend" when you start up > mythtv? You should be using "mythfrontend" otherwise you won't see > the main menu or have any way to get to it. > -- > David > > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:51:33 -0500, Michael Haan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I installed MythTV 0.17 by downloading source and compiling on Gentoo > > with kernel 2.6.10. Then I decided I wanted MythDVD and decided to > > get it by emerging it. So I did. The emerge also pulled down mythtv, > > and all went weill in the build process. However, after the fact, I > > cannot find anyway to access the MythDVD functionality. Anyone? > > -- > > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > > > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge MythDVD does not provide.... MythDVD
MythDVD should be in the Optical Disc option from the frontend's main menu. Are you running "mythtv" or "mythfrontend" when you start up mythtv? You should be using "mythfrontend" otherwise you won't see the main menu or have any way to get to it. -- David On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:51:33 -0500, Michael Haan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I installed MythTV 0.17 by downloading source and compiling on Gentoo > with kernel 2.6.10. Then I decided I wanted MythDVD and decided to > get it by emerging it. So I did. The emerge also pulled down mythtv, > and all went weill in the build process. However, after the fact, I > cannot find anyway to access the MythDVD functionality. Anyone? > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD64 with nForce3-250 - Networking Just *Stopped* Working
I don't know - I never tried that. Right now, I've got the box up with a second NIC which causes all kinds of fun. Let me give it a shot. On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:30:29 +, Alex Bennee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2005-02-22 at 00:09 -0500, Michael Haan wrote: > > New install, roughly a week old. Running 2.6.10-rc7 and everything > > was fine networking wise after initially using "gentoo noapic" off the > > cd. Then last night *boom* it just stopped working. I'm getting > > "netconsole: not configured. aborting". I've tried adding "noapic > > pci=noacpi" in grub.conf to no avail. Has anyone seen this? > > I may have. I reported a lock up with forcedeth to lkml > (http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg58294.html). > Does networking work again if you shutdown and remove all power from the box? > > > > -- > > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > > > > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD64 with nForce3-250 - Networking Just *Stopped* Working
Nope. Didn't make a difference. This is very odd. On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:25:07 -0500, Michael Haan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know - I never tried that. Right now, I've got the box up > with a second NIC which causes all kinds of fun. Let me give it a > shot. > > > On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:30:29 +, Alex Bennee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-02-22 at 00:09 -0500, Michael Haan wrote: > > > New install, roughly a week old. Running 2.6.10-rc7 and everything > > > was fine networking wise after initially using "gentoo noapic" off the > > > cd. Then last night *boom* it just stopped working. I'm getting > > > "netconsole: not configured. aborting". I've tried adding "noapic > > > pci=noacpi" in grub.conf to no avail. Has anyone seen this? > > > > I may have. I reported a lock up with forcedeth to lkml > > (http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg58294.html). > > Does networking work again if you shutdown and remove all power from the > > box? > > > > > > > -- > > > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > > > > > > > > > -- > > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > > > > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] emerge MythDVD does not provide.... MythDVD
I installed MythTV 0.17 by downloading source and compiling on Gentoo with kernel 2.6.10. Then I decided I wanted MythDVD and decided to get it by emerging it. So I did. The emerge also pulled down mythtv, and all went weill in the build process. However, after the fact, I cannot find anyway to access the MythDVD functionality. Anyone? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Monkeyd
On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 22:20, Arnstein Oseland wrote: > Ow Mun Heng wrote: > Haven't done much else. In fact, all I have done is run the front-end to > "Cheap Bogofilter Frontend" (http://www.schumann.cx/bogo-fe/) using > monkeyd. I can't remember how I run it (my server is offline for RAID > reconfiguration), but I guess I probably used daemontools, which are in > portage. > > How simple? Well if you step through the monkey.conf, there's not that > many difficult choices, are there? Thanks for the information. I'll look through it this weekend. -- Ow Mun Heng Gentoo/Linux on DELL D600 1.4Ghz 98% Microsoft(tm) Free!! Neuromancer 11:13:47 up 1:02, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.10, 0.09 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 06:17 pm, Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:54:51 -0600 > > Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > No, that's not the best thing. It break emails that use the reply-to > > header for it's original (and standards-compliant) behavior. It may > > be easy, but that doesn't make it right. > > > > Please read, if you haven't already, the document Andrea linked. > > And then read this one and then argue about it forever! > > http://www.metasystema.net/essays/reply-to.mhtml This document does not refute the "Can't Find My Way Back Home" point in reply-to-considered-harmful. The composer of the email is given "first rights" to the Reply-To header, munging it causes information loss (and it can be important information). I have no problem with list software *adding* the Reply-To header, but overwriting an existing one is a recipe for disaster. Also a quote from http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/listreplyto.html : "But the arguments in [reply-to-useful] very easily refutable [http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/listreplyto.txt], as I wrote in the following post when participating to a thread on the mailman lists." -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A perfect example
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:37:53 +0100, Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I accept that header-munging is incorrect behaviour, however it solves > some real usage issues, albeit in an imperfect fashion. > > Maybe instead of arguing about "to mung or not to mung", we should be > trying to find or create an alternative that solves the issues in a way > more satisfying to everyone-- in other words, fix what's actually > 'broken' (whether that be fixing one of the solutions, educating the > users, or doing something completely new), rather than argue over which > imperfect solution is less imperfect than the other. > Or maybe, with 100% hindsight, make it a policy to follow normal business practices: 1. Decide the correct approach. 2. Test the effects. 3. Perhaps, gasp, even discuss this with others. 4. Notify the user-base in advance. 5. Provide some suggestions for hardship cases. 6. Stick by your guns. Of course, if you really prefer lots of whining, foist the change on the users with no advance warning. After all, we only want gurus on the list, so everyone will know what happened and what to do. -- Collins -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
Oh #$#R*&Y not again, please check the (ancient) archives on why this list was changed from the behaviour that you seem to have initiated without consultation with the list. In short: 1) many replies to the list (and the expertise it represented) were lost as most people never bothered to navigate down the menus to readd the list to the reply - note that this is a user behaviour, not an automatic action and its not in human nature to do extra work unnecessarily. This is THE major reason to retain the old behaviour. 2)the user ends up with two replies because its extra clicks to delete them - why bother? 3) annoying the user base unnecessarily - respect the users because without them gentoo will die 4) most user based email lists work at the old behaviour for the above reasons 5)on past behaviour, be ready for a continuing flame war and questions "why does this list work differently to every other email list I am on ..." that will negate any gains you think you have made 6)this is one of the most annoying problems with gmail - if you get an email direct from a gentoo user and not to the list, it was most likely due to a gmmail account Enough said, change it back, NOW. (yes, this has pissed me off) BillK On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 15:32 +0100, Andrea Barisani wrote: > On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 02:41:40PM +0100, Andreas Vinsander wrote: > > Hi! > > > > Seems like the Reply-To: header for this list no longer point to the > > list... is that an intentional change? > > > > I would appreciate having the old behaviour instead. > > > > /Andreas > > -- > > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > > > The Reply-To header is useless since all MUA supports the "reply to > list/all/sender" functions and usually reply-to should be set by the > person who's sending the message. > > Take a look at this: > > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > > Cheers > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD64 with nForce3-250 - Networking Just *Stopped* Working
On Tue, 2005-02-22 at 00:09 -0500, Michael Haan wrote: > New install, roughly a week old. Running 2.6.10-rc7 and everything > was fine networking wise after initially using "gentoo noapic" off the > cd. Then last night *boom* it just stopped working. I'm getting > "netconsole: not configured. aborting". I've tried adding "noapic > pci=noacpi" in grub.conf to no avail. Has anyone seen this? I may have. I reported a lock up with forcedeth to lkml (http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg58294.html). Does networking work again if you shutdown and remove all power from the box? > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:54:51 -0600 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > > No, that's not the best thing. It break emails that use the reply-to > header for it's original (and standards-compliant) behavior. It may be > easy, but that doesn't make it right. > > Please read, if you haven't already, the document Andrea linked. > And then read this one and then argue about it forever! http://www.metasystema.net/essays/reply-to.mhtml My personal view, from a large number of lists I have been on and remain on, is that reply-to munging has more advantages than disdvantages. Thats a personal view and there are arguments both ways. It seems that Andrea has changed back to munging, thanks for that Andrea. Frankly if it changes to no munging I will be disappointed, but my life will not be over. HOWEVER, I would say to you Andrea, or whoever else is in charge, please please tell the list before you make changes, and with a day or so's notice! -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: continuing the soap opera... was: System is too big
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:37:20 -0500, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > > Your drive controller, RAID modules etc should be compiled into the > > kernel, otherwise the RAID won't be detected until after the modules > > are loaded, which is after root is mounted. That will only work if / > > is not on RAID. > > exactly my case as I've been saying all along. You mentioned modules in your previous post, that's why I brought it up. > the problem turns out to be checkfs. I needed to swap the detection > order between lvm and md. There must be something else going on too. I didn't need to change checkfs for LVM to work correctly on top of RAID. -- Neil Bothwick LISP: Lots of Infuriating & Silly Parentheses pgp9dHU5xyN7p.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
Karsten Baumgarten wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Holly Bostick wrote: | Andrea Barisani wrote: | |> and probably leaving the old setup is the best choice since I have no |> time to |> discuss this and tell people how to configure their MUA. |> | | Anybody have the time and knowledge to write something for the docs page | about basic MUA configuration for the most common MUAs in use on Gentoo | (mutt, pine, KMail, Thunderbird/MozMail)? | | That way, both the admin and the users could be comfortable. Even though Andrea had (was forced?) to revert the changes for the "reasons" mentioned in this thread, here's the simple solution for Thunderbird users: Instead of using "Reply to sender" or "Reply to all" simply use the "Edit as new" option to compose a message to the mailing list. Regards, Karsten Hey, now, that's a useful idea! Thanks! Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
On 19:03 Wed 23 Feb , Holly Bostick wrote: > Andrea Barisani wrote: > > >and probably leaving the old setup is the best choice since I have no time > >to > >discuss this and tell people how to configure their MUA. > > > > Anybody have the time and knowledge to write something for the docs page > about basic MUA configuration for the most common MUAs in use on Gentoo > (mutt, pine, KMail, Thunderbird/MozMail)? There are already docs for mutt. It's in the gentoo desktop docs. Bill -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A perfect example
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Wednesday 23 February 2005 01:25 pm, "Dave Nebinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andrea, I'm sorry if you felt flogged by folks wanting the old modus operandi in place; you were right in the first place to have fixed the 'reply to'. Although I've just sent a similar email, I want to jump in here with a "me too". Andrea, there are some users out here that realise you were doing the right thing and we applaud you for it. It's unfortunate that this list-at-large doesn't seem to want to fix things that are broken. I find the whole issue being seen as black-or-white is a problem in itself. I accept that header-munging is incorrect behaviour, however it solves some real usage issues, albeit in an imperfect fashion. Supermount used to do that too (solve a real issue in a less than ideal fashion). Maybe instead of arguing about "to mung or not to mung", we should be trying to find or create an alternative that solves the issues in a way more satisfying to everyone-- in other words, fix what's actually 'broken' (whether that be fixing one of the solutions, educating the users, or doing something completely new), rather than argue over which imperfect solution is less imperfect than the other. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: continuing the soap opera... was: System is too big
Neil Bothwick wrote: Your drive controller, RAID modules etc should be compiled into the kernel, otherwise the RAID won't be detected until after the modules are loaded, which is after root is mounted. That will only work if / is not on RAID. exactly my case as I've been saying all along. the problem turns out to be checkfs. I needed to swap the detection order between lvm and md. It's a fairly simple transposition and I'm not sure if there's any reason why not make the standard. Should probably check bugzilla to see if there's anything on this problem. ---eric -- http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/view.html?pg=5 The result of the duopoly that currently defines "competition" is that prices and service suck. We're the world's leader in Internet technology - except that we're not. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] gnucash & fonts in reports
hi, I've set in gnucash config fonts for the ledger but there seems to be no way, to set the font for the reports ? grepping into /usr/share/gnucash and /home dir found nothing about 'Helvetica'... any idea wher this can be ?! ** WARNING **: file gnome-font-face.c: line 574: Face Helvetica: Cannot load face ** CRITICAL **: file gnome-font-face.c: line 613 (gff_load): assertion `ft_result == FT_Err_Ok' failed. ** WARNING **: file gnome-font-face.c: line 308: Face Helvetica: Cannot load face ** CRITICAL **: file gnome-font-face.c: line 613 (gff_load): assertion `ft_result == FT_Err_Ok' failed. ** WARNING **: file gnome-font-face.c: line 574: Face Helvetica: Cannot load face ** CRITICAL **: file gnome-font-face.c: line 613 (gff_load): assertion `ft_result == FT_Err_Ok' failed. ** WARNING **: file gnome-font-face.c: line 308: Face Helvetica: Cannot load face ** CRITICAL **: file gnome-font-face.c: line 613 (gff_load): assertion `ft_result == FT_Err_Ok' failed. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A perfect example
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:28:45 +, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:58:07 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > > Although I've just sent a similar email, I want to jump in here with a > > "me too". Andrea, there are some users out here that realise you were > > doing the right thing and we applaud you for it. It's unfortunate that > > this list-at-large doesn't seem to want to fix things that are broken. > > Whether Reply-To munging is right or wrong, and this argument is likely to > be resolved soon after the Vi vs. Emacs debate, changing the way the list > works without letting people know only caused confusion and bad feeling. > > A simple post to the list informing subscribers that Reply-To had been > removed, preferably with a link to the page explaining the reasons, would > have avoided such an outcome. > Yes, amen brother. Exactly what I said in an earlier post. Advanced warning is the polite approach, and it avoids lots of furor. -- Collins -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: continuing the soap opera... was: System is too big
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:35:59 -0500, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > as I suspected the raid array was not be automatically detected which > means that everything else fails miserably. The system is operational > with all of the modules (tulip, raid1, md, siimage, dm_mod) are all > loaded and the individual components of the raid array are visible. But > the other detection does not happen even though they have the right > partition type (fd). Your drive controller, RAID modules etc should be compiled into the kernel, otherwise the RAID won't be detected until after the modules are loaded, which is after root is mounted. That will only work if / is not on RAID. Putting the relevant modules in the kernel works for me, and they have to be working before anything but the kernel is loaded because I have root=/dev/md1 in GRUB's kernel line. -- Neil Bothwick If such a program has not crashed yet, it is waiting for a critical moment before it crashes. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n°6 pgpHLuhvyNlwA.pgp Description: PGP signature
KQEMU was Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 05:04:30PM -0500, Dennis Taylor wrote: > Go ahead, if you like preaching to the choir. :-) In the land > of Perfect, there would be no Windoze, but I don't live in > perfect. > > I said long ago that Norton Anti-virus is not very effective > because it does not detect windows as a virus. :-( > Windows self replicate? Does that mean my QEMU installation will start backing itself up? This could come in handy. =) In any case, has anyone played with QEMU lately? I currently don't have the guts to install an alpha-stage kernel patch, so I haven't yet tested out KQEMU aka the QEMU accelerator. Any comments on that? (and no, please don't refer me to /., the source of myriad mis-information) Also, how does /proc/cpuinfo get its data? I think the Bogomips number is calculated at boot time, no? How about the CPU speed? I am asking because if I tried booting linux in QEMU under my gentoo box, the Emulated OS reports the exact same data in /proc/cpuinfo compared to the host OS, except for a bogomips number that is slightly slower (IIRC something like 70% of the host OS). I know that bogomips are NOT the best way of measuring performance, but consider the following: From the QEMU website http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ * Without the KQEMU module, the guest OS should run at 10 to 20% of of a native OS on the same computer. * With the module on x86 machines, the guest OS can run at 50% or better. So either bogomips as a way of gauging performance is a lot more broken than I imagined, or Fabrice Bellard significantly underestimated the performance of his own code W -- * Address: 45 Spelman Hall, Princeton University 08544 * * Phone: x68958 AIM: AngularJerk* *E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: sep.dynalias.net * The mathematical probability of a common cat doing exactly as it pleases is the one scientific absolute in the world. ~Lynn M. Osband Sortir en Pantoufles: up 13:45 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A perfect example
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:58:07 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > Although I've just sent a similar email, I want to jump in here with a > "me too". Andrea, there are some users out here that realise you were > doing the right thing and we applaud you for it. It's unfortunate that > this list-at-large doesn't seem to want to fix things that are broken. Whether Reply-To munging is right or wrong, and this argument is likely to be resolved soon after the Vi vs. Emacs debate, changing the way the list works without letting people know only caused confusion and bad feeling. A simple post to the list informing subscribers that Reply-To had been removed, preferably with a link to the page explaining the reasons, would have avoided such an outcome. -- Neil Bothwick Reboot America. pgplFCeldc2l2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Editing files with Xemacs
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:14:24 +0100, Jean Magnan de Bornier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1. When I open a Tex file in XEmacs I am presented with the > > fundamental mode. I then have to change the mode to Tex mode. What do > > I add to my init.el to make this happen by default? > > emerge app-xemacs/auctex > then read the basics of auctex to have it loaded at startup I already have auctex. The point is, when I open a Tex file, the mode doesn't change automatically. Hareesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:17:19 +0100, Karsten Baumgarten wrote: > Even though Andrea had (was forced?) to revert the changes for the > "reasons" mentioned in this thread, here's the simple solution for > Thunderbird users: Instead of using "Reply to sender" or "Reply to all" > simply use the "Edit as new" option to compose a message to the mailing > list. Won't that remove the In-Reply-To header and thus break threading? -- Neil Bothwick Windows is a colorful clown suit for DOS. pgpQSgxREUEJO.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [gentoo-user] Xorg and Gnome or KDE on Gentoo
I have made some observations with regard to my garbled monitor after exiting the test run of the xorg X server. My on-board graphics chipset is an 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]. When I built the kernel, I selected that driver instead of the i810. I just noticed a "Driver = "i810"" line in my automatically generated configuration file. Would this be probable cause? Any guess as to whether I could/should rip the drivers and just use a VESA driver instead? TIA. Dennis -Original Message-From: Dennis Taylor Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 12:03 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] Xorg and Gnome or KDE on Gentoo Thanks to all who have responded. The fix_lib_tool_files.sh script did not do it for me, but emerge did. Now I have successfully emerged Gnome. I still do not have X11 properly configured. I was able to get Knoppix to run X-11 OK, but was unsuccessful at adapting its XFree86 configuration file to xorg. I have tried the SLAX Live CD that reportedly uses xorg, but it is unable to start X on my hardware. :-( As time permits, I will study the details of how to configure xorg to work on my monitor. -Original Message-From: ME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 1:29 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg and Gnome or KDE on GentooMaybe I am wrong on that, but your emerge problem could be due to the libtool config.There is a manual fix to run after updating gcc, from a previous message:>Probably upgraded gcc recently? Try fix_libtool_files.sh 3.3.4 as root. >If that doesn't work try emerging libtool again, perhaps with emerge >-1 libtool. This is sort of a recurring emerge problem that you see many people having in the mailing list. It happened to me with a similar "No such file" errors in the gcc-lib, the fix_libtool worked, but I am no wiz, somebody can comment on that?MrcDennis Taylor wrote: Thanks to all who have responded, I am going to try the Knoppix later today to see if I can get a better X config file. I suspect that the probing done to get the configuration for the monitor did not work quite right. I can probably dig some more and figure out how to get it to use a lower refresh rate or something like that to get it going if Knoppix does not happen to configure it right. More on that later. Meanwhile, I was not surprised that X is a requirement for the Window managers. I thought I remembered it that way, but it has been 10 years since I played with X. I still cannot get Gnome to emerge properly. Does anyone have an insight into what causes the following error? I think I have included enough of the output from the emerge to find the top most error. :-) - libtool --mode=compile i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -march=i686 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -I. -c ./wrjpgcom.c i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -march=i686 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -I. -c ./rdjpgcom.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/rdjpgcom.o i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -march=i686 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -I. -c ./rdjpgcom.c -o rdjpgcom.o >/dev/null 2>&1 i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -march=i686 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -I. -c ./wrjpgcom.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/wrjpgcom.o libtool --mode=link i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -o libjpeg.la jcapimin.lo jcapistd.lo jctrans.lo jcparam.lo jdatadst.lo jcinit .lo jcmaster.lo jcmarker.lo jcmainct.lo jcprepct.lo jccoefct.lo jccolor.lo jcsample.lo jchuff.lo jcphuff.lo jcdctmgr.lo jfdctfst.lo jfdctflt.lo jfdctint.lo jdapimin.lo jdapistd.lo jdtrans.lo jdatasrc.lo jdmaster.lo jdinput.lo jdmarker.lo jd huff.lo jdphuff.lo jdmainct.lo jdcoefct.lo jdpostct.lo jddctmgr.lo jidctfst.lo jidctflt.lo jidctint.lo jidctred.lo jdsam ple.lo jdcolor.lo jquant1.lo jquant2.lo jdmerge.lo jcomapi.lo jutils.lo jerror.lo jmemmgr.lo jmemnobs.lo \ -rpath /usr/lib -version-info 62 i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -march=i686 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -I. -c ./wrjpgcom.c -o wrjpgcom.o >/dev/null 2>&1 libtool --mode=link i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -o rdjpgcom rdjpgcom.lo i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -o rdjpgcom .libs/rdjpgcom.o libtool --mode=link i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -o wrjpgcom wrjpgcom.lo i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -o wrjpgcom .libs/wrjpgcom.o g++ -shared -nostdlib /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.4/../../../crti.o /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.4/ crtbeginS.o .libs/jcapimin.o .libs/jcapistd.o .libs/jctrans.o .libs/jcparam.o .libs/jdatadst.o .libs/jcinit.o .libs/jcm aster.o .libs/jcmarker.o .libs/jcmainct.o .libs/jcprepct.o .libs/jccoefct.o .libs/jccolor.o .libs/jcsample.o .libs/jchuf f.o .libs/jcphuff.o .libs/jcdctmgr.o .libs/jfdctfst.o .libs/jfdctflt.o .libs/jfdctint.o .libs/jdapimin.o .libs/jdapistd. o .libs/jdtrans.o .libs/jdatasrc.o .libs/jdmaster.o .libs/jdinput.o .libs/jdmarker.o .libs/jdhuff.o .libs/jdphuff.o .lib s/jdmainct.o .libs/jdcoefct.o .libs/jdpostct.o .libs/jddctmgr.o .libs/jidctfst.o .
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Holly Bostick wrote: | Andrea Barisani wrote: | |> and probably leaving the old setup is the best choice since I have no |> time to |> discuss this and tell people how to configure their MUA. |> | | Anybody have the time and knowledge to write something for the docs page | about basic MUA configuration for the most common MUAs in use on Gentoo | (mutt, pine, KMail, Thunderbird/MozMail)? | | That way, both the admin and the users could be comfortable. Even though Andrea had (was forced?) to revert the changes for the "reasons" mentioned in this thread, here's the simple solution for Thunderbird users: Instead of using "Reply to sender" or "Reply to all" simply use the "Edit as new" option to compose a message to the mailing list. Regards, Karsten -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCHQDvgUNlsZQzobwRAlPDAKCLUiBJvOdMFVJVmqL1qkjwJIriiwCglrr9 4XRNLxvQgdQbkB2MkK0N/fM= =fOd8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] new to gentoo
On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 04:27:05PM -0500, A. Khattri wrote: > Sounds like you should try sudo. The first time you use sudo, it will > prompt for a password but then the session stays in effect for 30 mins > (you can configure that) so subsequent sudo's will not prompt for a > password unless your session has "expired". If you run sudo every few > minutes you wont be prompted for a password again for the rest of the day. > > or, just put the following in /etc/sudoers USERNAME ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL where USERNAME is the user you want to give sudo powers to, or the group name preceded by % That way you won't be prompted for password at all for sudo. Best, W -- * Address: 45 Spelman Hall, Princeton University 08544 * * Phone: x68958 AIM: AngularJerk* *E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: sep.dynalias.net * "`I think you ought to know that I'm feeling very depressed.'" "`Life, don't talk to me about life.'" "`Here I am, brain the size of a planet and they ask me to take you down to the bridge. Call that "job satisfaction"? 'Cos I don't.'" "`I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left side.'" - Guess who. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 13:36 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: A perfect example - was RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote: This is a perfect example of why the 'reply to' thing was originally broken, recently fixed, and today reset back to the broken state. One person posts an OT message that is quite easily resolved by doing a simple google search. But since the 'reply to' is broken again, we get 7 different replies telling the whole list, rather than the one person, how to find out what the acronym means. Andrea, I'm sorry if you felt flogged by folks wanting the old modus operandi in place; you were right in the first place to have fixed the 'reply to'. From my point of view the list behaviour you're talking about is broken. Why? Because this is a _list_, where people discuss different topics. It's not for private conversation; that would easily be solved by having a webpage with members mail address so that you could email them in private. Yes, the "correct" (acc. to my view) behaviour does mean some redundancy but that is usually for "trivial" questions, like the one above. People use this list for getting answers to their gentoo-related questions. Mailing people in private means that other people on the list with similar problems might miss the solution. Also all mail is archived and before one sends an email about a problem one should check the archives first; if one sends the answer to people in private the solution will not be stored in the archives... Just my x.xx . Best regards Peter K -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread
Go ahead, if you like preaching to the choir. :-) In the land of Perfect, there would be no Windoze, but I don't live in perfect. I said long ago that Norton Anti-virus is not very effective because it does not detect windows as a virus. :-( -Original Message- From: A. Khattri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Dennis Taylor wrote: > (whether I like it or not, no MS flames please) Why shouldn't we flame the easiest virii target on the planet? ;-) -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Dennis Taylor wrote: > (whether I like it or not, no MS flames please) Why shouldn't we flame the easiest virii target on the planet? ;-) -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Dennis Taylor wrote: > Do we have an acronym list so that those of us who have been > out of circulation for a few years could find out what things > like MUA mean? GOGLE. -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] new to gentoo
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, maxim wexler wrote: > Thanks for the tip. But that's a way off yet. Gotta > lot of configuring to do. Don't need extraneous levels > of complexity. I like to be able to switch between > user and root and back with su and exit > . I've never used sudo, though it's probably > time I learned. Meanwhile Macro$haft will have to > carry me to the web on the ~22k dribble that leaks out > of my phone line 8( Sounds like you should try sudo. The first time you use sudo, it will prompt for a password but then the session stays in effect for 30 mins (you can configure that) so subsequent sudo's will not prompt for a password unless your session has "expired". If you run sudo every few minutes you wont be prompted for a password again for the rest of the day. -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: continuing the soap opera... was: System is too big
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > as I suspected the raid array was not be automatically detected which > means that everything else fails miserably. The system is operational > with all of the modules (tulip, raid1, md, siimage, dm_mod) are all > loaded and the individual components of the raid array are visible. But > the other detection does not happen even though they have the right > partition type (fd). > > so I figured with an entry in /etc/mdadm.conf, checkfs would be able to > start things up. my changes to /etc/mdadm.conf were: > > DEVICE /dev/hde1 /dev/hdg1 > ARRAY /dev/md0 UUID=91287317:6bf81ee1:31701212:3b243352 Im using a raidtab file in /etc. > but there's a problem (no surprise I'm sure). The lvm2 code looks for > logical volumes first and raid arrays second. Which is the complete > opposite of what I need. I seem to remember reading something talking > about this but I can't find it. > > Closer and closer thanks to commentary from folks here. Any ideas on > how to jump the last gap short of of rewriting checkfd? Yeah this is exactly what the problem is - there needs to be a way of detecting the order of the file-systems so stuff gets started in the correct order. I remember that thread and some people hacked into the scripts to fix it but this is a not a good long-term solution. -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
Not a direct response to Chris's post, but... If you really dislike getting duplicates AND believe that all mail should be directed and the list rather than to you personally, there is NOTHING to stop you from adding the Reply-To header yourself. =) I have a hook in mutt that does just that for some of the mailing lists I am on. Best, W On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 03:20:39PM -0500, Christopher Fisk wrote: > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Holly Bostick wrote: > > >Don't forget also changing CC: for the list to To: and the fact that > >anyone who doesn't feel like removing those additional entries will double > >my incoming mail for any thread I have responded to (because I'm in the CC > >so I get it personally, and I get it from the list). > > I agree, in fact, I will probably end up replying to the wrong person on > some threads, which can become annoying. But that said, if you have > access to procmail you can use the following recipe to keep from getting > duplicate messages: > -- * Address: 45 Spelman Hall, Princeton University 08544 * * Phone: x68958 AIM: AngularJerk* *E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: sep.dynalias.net * W: use VIM... no Emacs. S: Vim? Sortir en Pantoufles: up 12:47 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Where is libnetpbm.a?
Hi! I'm trying to compile something using "-lnetpbm", and I found that there is no "libnetpbm.a", but there are many ".so". I've seen in the configuration files of netpbm that the static libs are created by default, and I've seen no line in the 'ebuild' (for 10.20, in my case) changing that default setting. Anyway, there is no 'libnetpbm.a'. What should I do? maybe there is something wrong in the "install" function of the ebuild? Bye! -- ++--+ | Lluís Batlle i Rossell |Tel.Olot. 972 26 71 24| | Membre de [s3os] (www.s3os.net)|BCN. 93 16 22 680| | [EMAIL PROTECTED] / ICQ# 9658637|Mòb. 654 08 67 35| | web: http://vicerveza.homeunix.net/~viric/ | Santa Pau / Catalunya| ++--+ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Christopher Fisk wrote: I agree, in fact, I will probably end up replying to the wrong person on some threads, which can become annoying. But that said, if you have access to procmail you can use the following recipe to keep from getting duplicate messages: :0 Wh: msgid.lock $FORMAIL -D 8192 .msgid.cache It keeps a list of all message id's sent to you and deletes duplicates. Great for instances such as this. (it's been useful for me because of all the lists I am on) Also, if you have procmail, you can mung your own reply-to into lists that don't use it. http://www.wecs.com/replytorc.htm Christopher Fisk -- I WILL NOT BURY THE NEW KID I WILL NOT BURY THE NEW KID Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 9F03 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: continuing the soap opera... was: System is too big
Eric S. Johansson wrote: thanks for suggestions more later when I have more data well campers, I have more data. as I suspected the raid array was not be automatically detected which means that everything else fails miserably. The system is operational with all of the modules (tulip, raid1, md, siimage, dm_mod) are all loaded and the individual components of the raid array are visible. But the other detection does not happen even though they have the right partition type (fd). so I figured with an entry in /etc/mdadm.conf, checkfs would be able to start things up. my changes to /etc/mdadm.conf were: DEVICE /dev/hde1 /dev/hdg1 ARRAY /dev/md0 UUID=91287317:6bf81ee1:31701212:3b243352 but there's a problem (no surprise I'm sure). The lvm2 code looks for logical volumes first and raid arrays second. Which is the complete opposite of what I need. I seem to remember reading something talking about this but I can't find it. Closer and closer thanks to commentary from folks here. Any ideas on how to jump the last gap short of of rewriting checkfd? ---eric -- http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/view.html?pg=5 The result of the duopoly that currently defines "competition" is that prices and service suck. We're the world's leader in Internet technology - except that we're not. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: A perfect example - was RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread
> Yes, but the point of the list is to tell the list, not that one person > alone. Had all 7 replies been to the OP, then no one else who wanted the > answer, now or in the future, would know what the answer was. The broken 'reply to' means that you don't have to think about where your replies go, a shortcut I'm sure many folks like but is not a good thing IMHO. A working 'reply to' means that each responder must consider whether the information they're returning is something the list needs to know or if it's specific for the OP. Had all seven replied to the OP does not mean the answer would have lost; as many have pointed out a simple google search would have delivered the same information. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: A perfect example - was RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread
Mike Noble wrote: Holly is so correct here, all replies should go back to the list. If you want to make a reply to the specific person, you know that you want to change the behavior and you make a conscious effort to change the the address to which the message is being sent. I understand what you're saying and agree... mostly. Most e-mail clients (i.e. Thunderbird, Eudora, opera, and mutt to name a few) are almost a usability nightmare. They don't provide sufficient control over fundamental things such as reply addresses. Simply taking the reply problem alone, they are a series of well-known patterns for reply that are not supported in most clients. The ability to edit the recipient list is filled with opportunities for the user to screw up and not recover. so instead of complaining, I wish folks would just fix their favorite client. ---eric -- http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/view.html?pg=5 The result of the duopoly that currently defines "competition" is that prices and service suck. We're the world's leader in Internet technology - except that we're not. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Holly Bostick wrote: Don't forget also changing CC: for the list to To: and the fact that anyone who doesn't feel like removing those additional entries will double my incoming mail for any thread I have responded to (because I'm in the CC so I get it personally, and I get it from the list). I agree, in fact, I will probably end up replying to the wrong person on some threads, which can become annoying. But that said, if you have access to procmail you can use the following recipe to keep from getting duplicate messages: :0 Wh: msgid.lock | $FORMAIL -D 8192 .msgid.cache It keeps a list of all message id's sent to you and deletes duplicates. Great for instances such as this. (it's been useful for me because of all the lists I am on) Christopher Fisk -- Now, son, you don't want to drink beer. That's for daddys, and kids with fake IDs. -- Homer Simpson, The Springfield Files -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] new to gentoo
> > You may be the only person you want to use the > machine. but if it is > connectd to the internet and has no user password, > you are unlikely > to be the only person to ever use it. With no user > password, you also > increase the chances of abuse via sudo. > > > -- > Neil Bothwick Thanks for the tip. But that's a way off yet. Gotta lot of configuring to do. Don't need extraneous levels of complexity. I like to be able to switch between user and root and back with su and exit . I've never used sudo, though it's probably time I learned. Meanwhile Macro$haft will have to carry me to the web on the ~22k dribble that leaks out of my phone line 8( -mw __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Many Errors at My MTA From robin.gentoo.org (SMTP protocol violation)
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 12:44 pm, fire-eyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm using exim 4 for my mta, and I am seeing a lot of these in my logs: > > exim[18750]: 2005-02-23 13:34:36 SMTP protocol violation: > synchronization error (input sent without waiting for greeting): > rejected connection from H=robin.gentoo.org [140.105.134.102] > > It's not every message, but it sure is a lot of them. > > Anyone know if this is a misconfiguration on my side, or a problem with > robin? If the error message is correct, it's really a problem with robin. SMTP clients are not supposed to send any data before receiving the HELO/EHLO from the server. Sounds like robin is doing this (which won't break any server I know of, but it sounds like yours is griping). -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: A perfect example
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 01:25 pm, "Dave Nebinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrea, I'm sorry if you felt flogged by folks wanting the old modus > operandi in place; you were right in the first place to have fixed the > 'reply to'. Although I've just sent a similar email, I want to jump in here with a "me too". Andrea, there are some users out here that realise you were doing the right thing and we applaud you for it. It's unfortunate that this list-at-large doesn't seem to want to fix things that are broken. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 12:31 pm, Mike Noble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The best thing that the gentoo server could do would be that every mail > that comes into the server re-writes the Reply-To so that it always > sends mail back to the list. No, that's not the best thing. It break emails that use the reply-to header for it's original (and standards-compliant) behavior. It may be easy, but that doesn't make it right. Please read, if you haven't already, the document Andrea linked. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 11:49 am, Andrea Barisani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm sick and tired of witnessing how difficult it is to reasonably > change a few headers in this mailing lists. While I acknolewdge the fact > that it's best to warn users before doing something like this I also > find unmanageable and useless any form of 'voting' for this kind of > issues. Stripping the Reply-To looked and still looks like a "sensible" > choice and easily manageable with a decent MUA and some basic > configrations skills. But apparently my presumptions of considering this > an "easy" change was mistaken and probably leaving the old setup is the > best choice since I have no time to discuss this and tell people how to > configure their MUA. I agree with you on all counts. While munging reply-to *is* broken, I think you did the right thing. Hopefully, we will be able to move to the correct use of reply-to at some point in the future. For all those that think munging the reply-to is correct, please read the document Andrea linked. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: A perfect example - was RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Holly Bostick wrote: | | Yes, but the point of the list is to tell the list, not that one person | alone. Had all 7 replies been to the OP, then no one else who wanted the | answer, now or in the future, would know what the answer was. | | In which case, what is the purpose of having a public list at all? | | Or should we coordinate our replies so that only one answer appears? | | Or are you saying that OT questions should not be answered on the list, | but privately, in which case somebody has to publish some rules for what | precisely constitutes OT on a very general list such as this. | | By such rules, your own post would be OT, so I guess I should have | responded privately, or you should have just emailed Andrea privately in | the first place. | | I really must be missing something here. | | Holly | Holly is so correct here, all replies should go back to the list. If you want to make a reply to the specific person, you know that you want to change the behavior and you make a conscious effort to change the the address to which the message is being sent. I know that today I sent two messages back to the people who originally posted when I really wanted it to go back to the list. Yes I was not thinking and just did a reply (which should have gone to the list). Mike - -- Mike Noble Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 0xFFDFC13B Key fingerprint: 8204 1297 B9AD 0CED 2FCE 1FB0 9491 5824 FFDF C13B Keyserver: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCHONelJFYJP/fwTsRAsG7AJ0TwM0hbwJ52MZkyA2KRYThhVfb6QCfUrqd 9gn9cvD+5lnoV8vhlc4avaM= =5oCw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Very simple question about DVD writing.
With a view to keeping backups (for which, until recently, I've been writing CDRs from an Wintel laptop.) I've decided it is time to migrate to writing DVDs. Given that there seem to be an extraordinary number of similar models, I thought that, rather than buy one then establish how to use it under Gentoo, I'd like to ask here first... Which DVD writers are known to cause least hassle under Gentoo? Would gentoo-ers suggest going for an internal IDE or external USB (given that the drive will likely only ever be used on the Gentoo box? Are there problems writing DVDs using a 'modest' 450Mhz PII with 96Mb RAM? (This PC is a HTTP/Email/File/Print server and has no GUI environment sapping resources.) [and... slightly off-topic... so ignore if you don't like tangents...] I've noticed that many drives write DVD -R more quickly than DVD+R... While I'd prefer a +/- drive for future flexibility, are there any advantages to one format over the other (except the obvious advantage of speed on drives which handle DVD-R more quickly) in the context of Gentoo or backups in general? I'm also unsure about dual-layer... Clearly, doubled capacity is desirable but I won't use dual layer if my backups won't read in the majority of other DVD drives as this would render my backup far less useful should my server be damaged or stolen. Opinions welcomed :-) Steve -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: A perfect example - was RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread
Dave Nebinger wrote: This is a perfect example of why the 'reply to' thing was originally broken, recently fixed, and today reset back to the broken state. One person posts an OT message that is quite easily resolved by doing a simple google search. But since the 'reply to' is broken again, we get 7 different replies telling the whole list, rather than the one person, how to find out what the acronym means. Yes, but the point of the list is to tell the list, not that one person alone. Had all 7 replies been to the OP, then no one else who wanted the answer, now or in the future, would know what the answer was. In which case, what is the purpose of having a public list at all? Or should we coordinate our replies so that only one answer appears? Or are you saying that OT questions should not be answered on the list, but privately, in which case somebody has to publish some rules for what precisely constitutes OT on a very general list such as this. By such rules, your own post would be OT, so I guess I should have responded privately, or you should have just emailed Andrea privately in the first place. I really must be missing something here. Holly Andrea, I'm sorry if you felt flogged by folks wanting the old modus operandi in place; you were right in the first place to have fixed the 'reply to'. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
A perfect example - was RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread
This is a perfect example of why the 'reply to' thing was originally broken, recently fixed, and today reset back to the broken state. One person posts an OT message that is quite easily resolved by doing a simple google search. But since the 'reply to' is broken again, we get 7 different replies telling the whole list, rather than the one person, how to find out what the acronym means. Andrea, I'm sorry if you felt flogged by folks wanting the old modus operandi in place; you were right in the first place to have fixed the 'reply to'. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Amarok and Proxy
I have amarok installed on my machine and want to use AudioScrobbler. The Plug-in I have for Beep-Media-Player works fine however the Amarok can't submit the played tracks. I'm sure this is a proxy/firewall issue but I can't find the correct configuration in Amarok. My guess is that the KDE environment has proxy settings internally and doesn't use my environment variable. The catch is I run Enlightenment DR16/17 and don't even have KDE fully installed, just the necessary libraries for Amarok and other apps to run. How can I set the proxy for Amarok. - Brad Serbu -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread
Thanks, I was unaware of that particular resource. I use (whether I like it or not, no MS flames please) Outlook to read email, so I will just have to create a short cut. Dennis -Original Message- From: Holly Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread Dennis Taylor wrote: > Do we have an acronym list so that those of us who have been > out of circulation for a few years could find out what things > like MUA mean? Many of them I can guess, and some I remember > from years ago, but I have recently seen many that leave me > clueless. > Mail User Agent. If you use Firefox or Thunderbird, you might consider adding the Acronym Finder to your search engines available in the search box; otherwise, the site can be found at http://www.acronymfinder.com/ and you can just type your unknown acronym in there. It's pretty good, actually. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
> > Reply to list? That would be a great thing, if I/Thunderbird had that. > Which mail client has that? kmail. If you hit the reply button and hold it (or hit the right key to set it directly) you can choose from four forms of reply. Reply, Reply to the sender, reply to all, reply to the the mailing list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ut2004 Segfault
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 03:24, J. Patrick Campbell wrote: > On Tue, February 22, 2005 8:59 pm, J. Patrick Campbell said: > > On Tue, February 22, 2005 8:31 pm, Volker Armin Hemmann said: > >> Hi, > >> > >> On Wednesday 23 February 2005 01:30, J. Patrick Campbell wrote: > >>> does anyone know where the logfile is? can't seem to locate it. > >>> I've had this problem for a few weeks now, just patched to > >>> 3339 and it still crashes. > >> > >> it should be in your ~/.ut2004/ dir. > > > > found that, thanks. > > > >> Hm, I had no probs with ut2004 when I tried it some time before. > >> > >> Are you sure, that it is not a cooling or undervoltage-problem? > > > > my voltages look fine but my Athlon XP 1800+ is running at 66 C. > > I just shut down to check in the bios setup. > > Too bad ASUS doesn't have linux utils for monitoring temps. doesn't need to. Lm_sensors will provide you with everything needed. Hehe, My Xp2000+ got too hot for a while too. When I was doing some heavy stuff, the temp raised above 65°C and something crashed. Luckily nothing, some good compressed air could not fix ;) > > i just cleaned the gunk out of my fan and heatsink and dropped 20 C > to about 45C. > smokers, beware! your computer gets dirty! Yeah, I know the effect. But do not forget to dust your PSU! There will be a pretty amount of dirt in this beast too and PSUs suffer really badly from overtemps. The capacitors are halving their livetime with every 10°C extra. But be carefull, do not open it, if you do not know exactly which parts are safe and which not. Best, to try to force the dirt out with a fresh can of compressed air. Glück Auf Volker -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:28:03 -0500, Dennis Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do we have an acronym list so that those of us who have been > out of circulation for a few years could find out what things > like MUA mean? Many of them I can guess, and some I remember > from years ago, but I have recently seen many that leave me > clueless. > Google is your friend ... search : mua acronym MUA Mail User Agent (Internet email) regards, Jean-Francois -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread
Holly Bostick wrote: Dennis Taylor wrote: Do we have an acronym list so that those of us who have been out of circulation for a few years could find out what things like MUA mean? Many of them I can guess, and some I remember from years ago, but I have recently seen many that leave me clueless. Mail User Agent. If you use Firefox or Thunderbird, you might consider adding the Acronym Finder to your search engines available in the search box; This should have been 'Firefox or Mozilla', of course. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Many Errors at My MTA From robin.gentoo.org (SMTP protocol violation)
I'm using exim 4 for my mta, and I am seeing a lot of these in my logs: exim[18750]: 2005-02-23 13:34:36 SMTP protocol violation: synchronization error (input sent without waiting for greeting): rejected connection from H=robin.gentoo.org [140.105.134.102] It's not every message, but it sure is a lot of them. Anyone know if this is a misconfiguration on my side, or a problem with robin? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread
Sites such as http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/ or wikipedia are usually pretty good at showing acronym definitions. FYI, It's Mail User Agent. Dennis Taylor wrote: Do we have an acronym list so that those of us who have been out of circulation for a few years could find out what things like MUA mean? Many of them I can guess, and some I remember from years ago, but I have recently seen many that leave me clueless. -Original Message- From: Holly Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken Andrea Barisani wrote: and probably leaving the old setup is the best choice since I have no time to discuss this and tell people how to configure their MUA. Anybody have the time and knowledge to write something for the docs page about basic MUA configuration for the most common MUAs in use on Gentoo (mutt, pine, KMail, Thunderbird/MozMail)? That way, both the admin and the users could be comfortable. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- This site uses frames And yet your browser does not. One of these will change. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread
Dennis Taylor wrote: Do we have an acronym list so that those of us who have been out of circulation for a few years could find out what things like MUA mean? Many of them I can guess, and some I remember from years ago, but I have recently seen many that leave me clueless. Mail User Agent. If you use Firefox or Thunderbird, you might consider adding the Acronym Finder to your search engines available in the search box; otherwise, the site can be found at http://www.acronymfinder.com/ and you can just type your unknown acronym in there. It's pretty good, actually. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 12:28 pm, Dennis Taylor wrote: > acronym http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?p=dict&String=exact&Acronym=MUA pgpGca5dY10aN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - Original Message Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:32:23 -0800 From: Mike Noble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Holly Bostick wrote: | | | | Reply to list? That would be a great thing, if I/Thunderbird had that. | Which mail client has that? | | |> |> Well, Thunderbird only supports "Reply" and "Reply All". If I do |> "Reply All" I have to manually intervene and remove the sender's |> mail-address. | | | Don't forget also changing CC: for the list to To: and the fact that | anyone who doesn't feel like removing those additional entries will | double my incoming mail for any thread I have responded to (because I'm | in the CC so I get it personally, and I get it from the list). | |> But I guess that's not a reasonable mailer | | | And I guess it doesn't matter that I now have to manage duplicated mail | traffic for no reason or choice of my own. It's getting a bit tedious | already. | |> |> Or is there a way to configure Thunderbird to do this? | | | Not that I've noticed, but if you read the link, apparently this is the | user's own problem to deal with... for some reason the author feels that | it's perfectly all right to mass-mail the same mail to somebody by using | Reply-All (i.e., if you're too lazy to edit your headers before sending, | then that's your problem. Which may be true). | | |> |>> Take a look at this: |>> |>> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html |> |> |> In the 34768 messages I have read on this list, I have not once read |> an embarrassing message about anybody's sex-life or boss :( | | | I get it that munging is bad, but the alternative is not all that much | better... if it's going to be a big PITA to post to this list, I'm not | going to do it so much (please hold your cheers of celebration to the | end, thank you). Naturally, it's not about "me" per se, but I'm sure I'm | not the only one who might not shoot off a quick solution to a posted | problem, simply because all this editing and management I must do makes | it much more difficult to shoot off a quick anything. | | | Holly | -- | gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list | | I have really gotten tired of this thread about people who have no clue about how to use a mail reader and being on lists. The best thing that the gentoo server could do would be that every mail that comes into the server re-writes the Reply-To so that it always sends mail back to the list. This way it does not matter if you use gmail (which always sends back to gmail). As for the person above who likes to Reply to all, he will just have to use Reply and never use reply to all on a mailing list, learn how to use your mail tool. Sorry for the rant. Mike - -- Mike Noble Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 0xFFDFC13B Key fingerprint: 8204 1297 B9AD 0CED 2FCE 1FB0 9491 5824 FFDF C13B Keyserver: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCHMwUlJFYJP/fwTsRAm/WAJwKXBQfJz6032kwkHDe6eIY6VqJKwCfTNK1 pPGH6N6kivLWD84AI6X5Ze8= =jEJJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken-- OT question stimulated by this thread
Do we have an acronym list so that those of us who have been out of circulation for a few years could find out what things like MUA mean? Many of them I can guess, and some I remember from years ago, but I have recently seen many that leave me clueless. -Original Message- From: Holly Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken Andrea Barisani wrote: > and probably leaving the old setup is the best choice since I have no time to > discuss this and tell people how to configure their MUA. > Anybody have the time and knowledge to write something for the docs page about basic MUA configuration for the most common MUAs in use on Gentoo (mutt, pine, KMail, Thunderbird/MozMail)? That way, both the admin and the users could be comfortable. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:52:08 +, Mike Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 23 February 2005 17:21, John Myers wrote: > > > Reply to list? That would be a great thing, if I/Thunderbird had that. > > > Which mail client has that? > > > > KMail does. If you press 'L' on a list message, it does reply-to-list. > > KMail also seems to get the reply to address right anyway. > (I don't have anything setup to tell it gentoo-user is in this folder, except > a list-id filter to put messages here) > There are a few things to be learned from this (and several other) thread(s) whcih have been quite animated, to say the least. These "truths" seem obvious to me, but not so obvious to those who maintain the gentoo lists and others who have jumped into the fray. 1. It's NEVER (yes I'm shouting) a good idea to change existing list behavior without notifying the user base and (apparently) without testing the changes in a limited environment. The result of doing this blindly is almost always a lot of flailing around instead of an orderly process. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" also comes to mind. 2. Advance notification of changes (and not just a "we're making some changes," "you get to figure out what they are") is always a very good idea (tm). 3. It seems totally impossible to root out the attitude "Gentoo is for gurus/admins who know every trick in the book, and the rest of you Lusers can just lump it." Unfortunately, not every subscriber to the list is a master of the email headers, the ways of manipulating these headers, and the myriad ways that various email clients handle the headers. Some Lusers just want to read their mail and to be able to reply to the list without a lot of headaches. I don't find suggestions that the Lusers should just go find another list to be very helpful. Sigh. -- Collins -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
> That way, both the admin and the users could be comfortable. ...or - at the very least - we'd have a quick way to answer folks with questions about this sort of thing... ;) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
Andrea Barisani wrote: and probably leaving the old setup is the best choice since I have no time to discuss this and tell people how to configure their MUA. Anybody have the time and knowledge to write something for the docs page about basic MUA configuration for the most common MUAs in use on Gentoo (mutt, pine, KMail, Thunderbird/MozMail)? That way, both the admin and the users could be comfortable. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 17:21, John Myers wrote: > > Reply to list? That would be a great thing, if I/Thunderbird had that. > > Which mail client has that? > > KMail does. If you press 'L' on a list message, it does reply-to-list. KMail also seems to get the reply to address right anyway. (I don't have anything setup to tell it gentoo-user is in this folder, except a list-id filter to put messages here) -- Mike Williams pgpLLTAcjvsZd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 06:00:40PM +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: > > > > > >Well, Thunderbird only supports "Reply" and "Reply All". If I do "Reply > >All" I have to manually intervene and remove the sender's mail-address. > > Don't forget also changing CC: for the list to To: and the fact that > anyone who doesn't feel like removing those additional entries will > double my incoming mail for any thread I have responded to (because I'm > in the CC so I get it personally, and I get it from the list). > > >But I guess that's not a reasonable mailer > > And I guess it doesn't matter that I now have to manage duplicated mail > traffic for no reason or choice of my own. It's getting a bit tedious > already. > > > > >Or is there a way to configure Thunderbird to do this? > > Not that I've noticed, but if you read the link, apparently this is the > user's own problem to deal with... for some reason the author feels that > it's perfectly all right to mass-mail the same mail to somebody by using > Reply-All (i.e., if you're too lazy to edit your headers before sending, > then that's your problem. Which may be true). > > > > > >>Take a look at this: > >> > >>http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > > > >In the 34768 messages I have read on this list, I have not once read an > >embarrassing message about anybody's sex-life or boss :( > > I get it that munging is bad, but the alternative is not all that much > better... if it's going to be a big PITA to post to this list, I'm not > going to do it so much (please hold your cheers of celebration to the > end, thank you). Naturally, it's not about "me" per se, but I'm sure I'm > not the only one who might not shoot off a quick solution to a posted > problem, simply because all this editing and management I must do makes > it much more difficult to shoot off a quick anything. I'm sick and tired of witnessing how difficult it is to reasonably change a few headers in this mailing lists. While I acknolewdge the fact that it's best to warn users before doing something like this I also find unmanageable and useless any form of 'voting' for this kind of issues. Stripping the Reply-To looked and still looks like a "sensible" choice and easily manageable with a decent MUA and some basic configrations skills. But apparently my presumptions of considering this an "easy" change was mistaken and probably leaving the old setup is the best choice since I have no time to discuss this and tell people how to configure their MUA. Reply-To has just been restored. Cheers -- Andrea Barisani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.*. Gentoo Linux Infrastructure Developer V ( ) GPG-Key 0x864C9B9E http://dev.gentoo.org/~lcars/pubkey.asc ( ) 0A76 074A 02CD E989 CE7F AC3F DA47 578E 864C 9B9E^^_^^ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 09:00, Holly Bostick wrote: > Reply to list? That would be a great thing, if I/Thunderbird had that. > Which mail client has that? KMail does. If you press 'L' on a list message, it does reply-to-list. -- t3h 3l3ctr0n3rd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Supermarket Deli Clerk and Student Programmer OpenPGP Key Fingerprint: 0A65 EEFA B23A F0AC E6C2 C71C BEA0 E055 BE0E EC25 pgpqmC0zaeRVr.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [gentoo-user] trouble with logrotate & apache2
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Covington, Chris wrote: > > So, um, this prerotate thing you do - you're copying the log > > file before it is static? You realize that you may not get the > > full log file that way, right? > > No I didn't. What do you suggest? All this talk about log rotation in Apache, I just "emerge cronolog" and use that and dont bother with logrotate for Apache ever again... -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Change in ifconfig behaviour?
This started happening last week: # ifconfig eth0:22 inet xx.xx.xx.xx ifconfig: option `-l' not recognised. ifconfig: `--help' gives usage information. # /sbin/ifconfig !:* /sbin/ifconfig eth0:22 inet xx.xx.xx.xx # (Obviously xx.xx.xx.xx is a real IP but masked out here). I checked if there was an alias involved (there is none). And "which ifconfig" returns /sbin/ifconfig. Also checked if ifconfig was a script or link (it isn't). So why does the full path work but not the command by itself? -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
Arnstein Oseland wrote: Andrea Barisani wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 02:41:40PM +0100, Andreas Vinsander wrote: Hi! Seems like the Reply-To: header for this list no longer point to the list... is that an intentional change? I would appreciate having the old behaviour instead. /Andreas -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list The Reply-To header is useless since all MUA supports the "reply to list/all/sender" functions and usually reply-to should be set by the person who's sending the message. Reply to list? That would be a great thing, if I/Thunderbird had that. Which mail client has that? Well, Thunderbird only supports "Reply" and "Reply All". If I do "Reply All" I have to manually intervene and remove the sender's mail-address. Don't forget also changing CC: for the list to To: and the fact that anyone who doesn't feel like removing those additional entries will double my incoming mail for any thread I have responded to (because I'm in the CC so I get it personally, and I get it from the list). But I guess that's not a reasonable mailer And I guess it doesn't matter that I now have to manage duplicated mail traffic for no reason or choice of my own. It's getting a bit tedious already. Or is there a way to configure Thunderbird to do this? Not that I've noticed, but if you read the link, apparently this is the user's own problem to deal with... for some reason the author feels that it's perfectly all right to mass-mail the same mail to somebody by using Reply-All (i.e., if you're too lazy to edit your headers before sending, then that's your problem. Which may be true). Take a look at this: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html In the 34768 messages I have read on this list, I have not once read an embarrassing message about anybody's sex-life or boss :( I get it that munging is bad, but the alternative is not all that much better... if it's going to be a big PITA to post to this list, I'm not going to do it so much (please hold your cheers of celebration to the end, thank you). Naturally, it's not about "me" per se, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who might not shoot off a quick solution to a posted problem, simply because all this editing and management I must do makes it much more difficult to shoot off a quick anything. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
Andrea Barisani wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 02:41:40PM +0100, Andreas Vinsander wrote: Hi! Seems like the Reply-To: header for this list no longer point to the list... is that an intentional change? I would appreciate having the old behaviour instead. /Andreas -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list The Reply-To header is useless since all MUA supports the "reply to list/all/sender" functions and usually reply-to should be set by the person who's sending the message. Well, Thunderbird only supports "Reply" and "Reply All". If I do "Reply All" I have to manually intervene and remove the sender's mail-address. But I guess that's not a reasonable mailer Or is there a way to configure Thunderbird to do this? Take a look at this: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html In the 34768 messages I have read on this list, I have not once read an embarrassing message about anybody's sex-life or boss :( Best regards, Arnstein -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 04:44:12PM +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: > > It's a simple question: "The list behaviour has changed; is it going to > change back, or not?" It's not going to change back unless big problems related to this are detected/reported. This will also be set on all other gentoo ml when the migration to the new server will be completed. We are still in the middle of the migration but a detailed email with all the changes will be posted soon. Bye -- Andrea Barisani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.*. Gentoo Linux Infrastructure Developer V ( ) GPG-Key 0x864C9B9E http://dev.gentoo.org/~lcars/pubkey.asc ( ) 0A76 074A 02CD E989 CE7F AC3F DA47 578E 864C 9B9E^^_^^ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] problems with gstreamer & amarok
first of all, i HEART amarok. very featurefull, very useable and just plain pretty. but while it works just fine @home, my box here @work is not playing nice with the gstreamer engine. the xine engine works, but what i want is gstreamer (crossfade doesn't seem to work with xine). anyway, it seems that gstreamer can't understand what to do with /dev/sound/dsp. i'm using alsa, and since i can use the xine engine, i have to assume it's not my kernel config or permissions. i have to be missing something in gstreamer. here's what's in my world file: $ grep gst /var/lib/portage/world media-plugins/gst-plugins-ogg media-plugins/gst-plugins-vorbis media-plugins/gst-plugins-mad media-plugins/gst-plugins-alsa media-libs/gstreamer media-libs/gst-plugins media-plugins/gst-plugins-lame and here's amarok's debug output. any suggestions? amarok: [virtual void BrowserBar::polish()] amarok: [controller] Loading URL: file:/mnt/share/copyleft/media/audio/mp3/t/tori%20amos/little%20earthquakes/tori%20amos. %20%20little%20earthquakes%20%20(04)%20%20precious%20things.mp3 amarok: BEGIN: virtual bool GstEngine::load(const KURL&, bool) amarok: [Gst-Engine] Loading url: file:/mnt/share/copyleft/media/audio/mp3/t/tori%20amos/little%20earthquakes/tori%20amos. %20%20little%20earthquakes%20%20(04)%20%20precious%20things.mp3 amarok: BEGIN: bool GstEngine::createPipeline() amarok: [Gst-Engine] Thread scheduling priority: 2 amarok: [Gst-Engine] Sound output method: alsasink amarok: [Gst-Engine] CustomSoundDevice: false amarok: [Gst-Engine] Sound Device: /dev/sound/dsp amarok: [Gst-Engine] CustomOutputParams: false amarok: [Gst-Engine] Output Params: amarok: [void gst_equalizer_init(GstEqualizer*)] amarok: [GstPadLinkReturn gst_equalizer_link(GstPad*, const GstCaps*)] amarok: [Gst-Engine] [ERROR!] Could not set outputThread to state PLAYING! amarok: BEGIN: void GstEngine::destroyPipeline() amarok: END__: void GstEngine::destroyPipeline() - Took 0s amarok: END__: bool GstEngine::createPipeline() - Took 0.11s amarok: END__: virtual bool GstEngine::load(const KURL&, bool) - Took 0.11s -- When you can't run no more you crawl. When you can't do that, you find someone to carry you. - Mal, Firefly, "The Message" -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
Andrea Barisani wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 02:41:40PM +0100, Andreas Vinsander wrote: Hi! Seems like the Reply-To: header for this list no longer point to the list... is that an intentional change? I would appreciate having the old behaviour instead. /Andreas -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list The Reply-To header is useless since all MUA supports the "reply to list/all/sender" functions and usually reply-to should be set by the person who's sending the message. Take a look at this: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Cheers Oh blessed gods, let's not start this again. It's a simple question: "The list behaviour has changed; is it going to change back, or not?" Does anyone know the answer? I don't want to hear why one behaviour is better than the other, I just want to know what the behaviour is going to be. Thank you. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: wow! 463 packages emerged and only one failure
Leif B. Kristensen wrote: > On Tuesday 22 February 2005 06:07, Aaron Walker wrote: >> Mark Knecht wrote: >> > The Gentoo developers and package maintainers really do a great job >> > of making Gentoo work. >> > >> > Thanks! >> >> Thanks for the thanks! Sometimes users forget we volunteer to do >> this stuff, so it's nice to see these kind of mails every once in a >> while ;) > > While I certainly agree with Mark in what a remarkably great job the > Gentoo developer's community are doing, I'm a little uncertain about > the meaning of running emerge -e. > > Okay, it's nice to have the opportunity of doing so, but I can't help > the feeling that you could accomplish exactly the same with a normal, > incremental emerge over time. The other alternative is of course if you > have done something really radical with your USE flags, you may run an > emerge -avuD --newuse world, as I have done a couple of times. But I > can't, for the life of me, see the reason to run a full reemerge of > everything unless something is seriously broken. > > In which case I rather do a complete reinstall, -- God forbid. In my case it makes perfect sense. I share kernels and binary packages across my entire Gentoo network at work (about 6 machines currently, mostly servers). Unfortunately, I didn't think ahead when I started using Gentoo, so I didn't change make.conf's default -march=pentium3. So when I put Gentoo on my dual CPU 400mhz PII, I was completely confused when top gave me "Illegal Instruction" crashes and general system stability was extremely poor. Then I remembered -march=pentium3. So how do you automatically recompile 537 binary packages with new make.conf settings? Answer: `emerge -e world` -- Jesse Guardiani, Systems Administrator WingNET Internet Services, P.O. Box 2605 // Cleveland, TN 37320-2605 423-559-LINK (v) 423-559-5145 (f) http://www.wingnet.net -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD64 with nForce3-250 - Networking Just *Stopped* Working
Unfortunately, the drivers don't work with kernel 2.6.10. On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:56:13 -0500, Mike Turcotte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know that these drivers do in fact work with Gentoo, as I regularly > use them, except for the built in audio driver which I cannot get to > work with SoundStorm on my nForce2 board. > > Michael Turcotte > Information Systems > City of North Bay > 200 McIntyre St. E > PO Box 360 > North Bay, Ontario > P1B 8H8 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.cityofnorthbay.ca > -Original Message- > From: Michael Haan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:52 AM > To: Mike Turcotte > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] AMD64 with nForce3-250 - Networking Just > *Stopped* Working > > Ok, I was using those drivers a few weeks ago when the box was SuSE > 9.2, but when installing gentoo for some reason, forcedeth was > recommended. I'll switch back and hope that it fixes it. > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:47:30 -0500, Mike Turcotte > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes. Download the file of http://www.nvidia.com and run it. It will > have > > to build its own kernel module as Gentoo doesn't come with a > precompiled > > one. Follow the instructions on the site, and you should be good to go > > > > Michael Turcotte > > Information Services > > City of North Bay > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Michael Haan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:44 AM > > To: Mike Turcotte > > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] AMD64 with nForce3-250 - Networking Just > > *Stopped* Working > > > > You mean download the nvidia nforce drivers from nvidia? Instead of > > using forcedeth? > > > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:40:23 -0500, Mike Turcotte > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Try downloading the Linux platform drivers off their site. > Apparantly > > > they fixed a lot of problems with ACPI > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Michael Haan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:02 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [gentoo-user] AMD64 with nForce3-250 - Networking Just > > > *Stopped* Working > > > > > > New install, roughly a week old. Running 2.6.10-rc7 and everything > > > was fine networking wise after initially using "gentoo noapic" off > the > > > cd. Then last night *boom* it just stopped working. I'm getting > > > "netconsole: not configured. aborting". I've tried adding "noapic > > > pci=noacpi" in grub.conf to no avail. Has anyone seen this? > > > -- > > > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > > > > > > > > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: emerge -e, skip ahead?
Scott Jones wrote: > Jesse, > > This is a semi-solution, perhaps try pye (pick your emerge) from this > discussion http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=135968, it might work > but then again it might not Actually, this is perfect too. I just had a system crash during my emerge and when I rebooted `emerge --resume` said there was nothing to resume again. pye is a real life saver for something like this. I just told it to emerge packages 204-536 instead of having to recompile those first 204 packages all over again. My only gripe about pye is that it doesn't provide a count down like emerge --resume. (i.e. "1 of 334") > Scott Jones > > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:47:24 -0500, Jesse Guardiani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> On Monday 21 February 2005 12:31 pm, you wrote: >> > Jesse Guardiani wrote: >> > >> > >Hello, >> > > >> > >I'm using 'emerge -e' to rebuild all of my 537 >> > >packages with new make.conf settings. >> > >(-march=i686 instead of -march=pentium3) >> > > >> > >Unfortunately, since this is such a long emerge >> > >operation, there is a huge possibility for >> > >interruptions. Moore's Law is a way of life for >> > >me. I had a power failure last night on this >> > >machine after already compiling 147 packages. >> > > >> > >Is there any way I can trick portage into starting >> > >on package # 147 in a 537 package `emerge -e world` >> > >operation? >> > > >> > >Thanks! >> > > >> > > >> > Just do: >> > >> > emerge --resume >> >> I don't think that works with -e. I tried it and got >> an error message stating that there was nothing to >> resume. I think --resume only resumes individual emerges, >> not batch operations. >> >> Either that or it doesn't work after a reboot >> >> -- >> Jesse Guardiani, Systems Administrator >> WingNET Internet Services, >> P.O. Box 2605 // Cleveland, TN 37320-2605 >> 423-559-LINK (v) 423-559-5145 (f) >> http://www.wingnet.net >> >> -- >> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list >> >> > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Jesse Guardiani, Systems Administrator WingNET Internet Services, P.O. Box 2605 // Cleveland, TN 37320-2605 423-559-LINK (v) 423-559-5145 (f) http://www.wingnet.net -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] webcamera Creative Nx Pro FW2 Zc301+Tas5130c
Hi there, is someone successfuly using camera type described above? It is identified by usbd as: Vendor 041e Product ID 403a class bfffbc30 I used driver found here http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html The only proble I have is that I can't grab any images. Gphoto2 doesn't support this one. Is there any application which may help me to grab images? Pregerably command line one, as host machine doesn't have X installed. It just works as image-sending server for security reasons. Thanks in advance Zbynek -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 02:41:40PM +0100, Andreas Vinsander wrote: > Hi! > > Seems like the Reply-To: header for this list no longer point to the > list... is that an intentional change? > > I would appreciate having the old behaviour instead. > > /Andreas > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > The Reply-To header is useless since all MUA supports the "reply to list/all/sender" functions and usually reply-to should be set by the person who's sending the message. Take a look at this: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Cheers -- Andrea Barisani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.*. Gentoo Linux Infrastructure Developer V ( ) GPG-Key 0x864C9B9E http://dev.gentoo.org/~lcars/pubkey.asc ( ) 0A76 074A 02CD E989 CE7F AC3F DA47 578E 864C 9B9E^^_^^ "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate" -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] trouble with logrotate & apache2
> Instead of using that kill line in postrotate (which, based > upon a perusal of the apache2 and apache2ctl manpages, appears > to be deprecated), invoke /etc/init.d/apache2 restart. > > Editing /etc/conf.d/apache2 may do nothing if you're working > directly under the covers as you are above. > > Incidentally, I believe the problem may be that you're doing a > graceful restart, which does not necessarily close the log files > immediately (and, if the system is busy, probably does not.) I've tried both of those methods and it didn't work. I'm going to test out the copytruncate logrotate option which I'll know by tomorrow. > So, um, this prerotate thing you do - you're copying the log > file before it is static? You realize that you may not get the > full log file that way, right? No I didn't. What do you suggest? Chris -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Monkeyd
Ow Mun Heng wrote: On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 17:13, Arnstein Oseland wrote: Ow Mun Heng writes: Dudes.. ANyone ever played with monkeyd? I'm considering moving from apache to monkeyd. This is a laptop and I don't need too much features. How easy or hard is the config? Can one actually run things like PHP/wordpress/Zope/Plone etc using it?? I use it with php-cgi. Works well for simple stuff. What else have you done with it?? How simple is it to configure anyway? I've installed it (in parallel with apache2) and I'm not sure how to get it to run :-) Haven't done much else. In fact, all I have done is run the front-end to "Cheap Bogofilter Frontend" (http://www.schumann.cx/bogo-fe/) using monkeyd. I can't remember how I run it (my server is offline for RAID reconfiguration), but I guess I probably used daemontools, which are in portage. How simple? Well if you step through the monkey.conf, there's not that many difficult choices, are there? -Arnstein -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: continuing the soap opera... was: System is too big
Holly Bostick wrote: As a workaround while you do so, I would suggest using the devfs tarball (which should contain the devices you previously had before you switched to udev)-- this is set in /etc/conf.d/rc : good suggestions. I will put them on my list of things to try. I'm not sure, but it seems to me that the issue is something with RAID rather than with LVM; are your RAID control modules (other than dev-mapper, I mean the modules for the card or mobo controller or software RAID) compiled directly into the kernel, or as modules? siimage is the card driver. it is currently a module but I think may be I need to compile it into the kernel. That might fix the timing problem. Well, it's simple enough to try. :-) thanks for suggestions more later when I have more data ---eric -- http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/view.html?pg=5 The result of the duopoly that currently defines "competition" is that prices and service suck. We're the world's leader in Internet technology - except that we're not. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] new to gentoo
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, maxim wexler wrote: > > The user seems not to be allowed to sudo. See > > /etc/sudoers for > > details. > > > looks like it's because I deleted the "x" which > represents my password in passwd. Su is not the same as sudo. In order to su, you need to be in the wheel group. (You can use vigr to edit that file). In order to use sudo, you need to be in the /etc/sudoers file. (Normally, you would use visudo to edit that file). -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange problem with 3com network cards
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Zbynek Houska wrote: > Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv Linux Plug and Play Support v0.97 (c) Adam Belay > Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv pnp: PnP ACPI init > Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv pnp: PnP ACPI: found 12 devices > Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv SCSI subsystem initialized > Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv usbcore: registered new driver usbfs > Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv usbcore: registered new driver hub > Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing > Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv ** PCI interrupts are no longer routed > automatically. If this > Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv ** causes a device to stop working, it is > probably because the > Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv ** driver failed to call pci_enable_device(). > As a temporary > Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv ** workaround, the "pci=routeirq" argument > restores the old > Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv ** behavior. If this argument makes the device > work again, > Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv ** please email the output of "lspci" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv ** so I can fix the driver. Isn't the problem shown above? > Is there any solution how to solve this? I use 2.6 kernel with udev. I am using the same driver on a web server. I usually disable ACPI (I dont need power management on servers). You could try switching ACPI off. -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Reply-To: header seems broken
Hi! Seems like the Reply-To: header for this list no longer point to the list... is that an intentional change? I would appreciate having the old behaviour instead. /Andreas -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange problem with 3com network cards
Zbynek Houska wrote: Feb 23 12:59:35 mailsrv dhcpcd[6627]: timed out waiting for a valid DHCP server response Do you have a proper dhcp server in your local network? /Andreas -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: continuing the soap opera... was: System is too big
Eric S. Johansson wrote: W.Kenworthy wrote: LVM the gentoo way works fine: I highly recommend for any system needing multiple partitions http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/lvm2.xml I would agree and this is a good document to follow. But unfortunately, it does not cover the udev case. following the instructions in the above document, I set up a raid 1 system on md0 (partition type fd) I then created all of the elements for a volume group mounting and copying files works fine I then discover I need to run udev I convert according to documents other people have given me it mostly works okay except that the the raid array is no longer being detected. It appears that the raid code is invoked before the modules or the devices for the external ide array are available. So that's the path I'm currently investigating. bah, humbug ---eric As a workaround while you do so, I would suggest using the devfs tarball (which should contain the devices you previously had before you switched to udev)-- this is set in /etc/conf.d/rc : RC_NET_STRICT_CHECKING="no" # Use this variable to control the /dev management behavior. # auto - let the scripts figure out what's best at boot # devfs - use devfs (requires sys-fs/devfsd) # udev - use udev (requires sys-fs/udev) # static - let the user manage static nodes RC_DEVICES="auto" # UDEV OPTION: # Set to "yes" if you want to save /dev to a tarball on shutdown # and restore it on startup. This is useful if you have a lot of # custom device nodes that udev does not handle/know about. RC_DEVICE_TARBALL="yes" You might also just switch back to devfs (compile both udev and devfs into your kernel, and then use the bootloader config to choose which one to use; I think the setting is something along the lines of nodevfs or something, but it is documented). I'm not sure, but it seems to me that the issue is something with RAID rather than with LVM; are your RAID control modules (other than dev-mapper, I mean the modules for the card or mobo controller or software RAID) compiled directly into the kernel, or as modules? Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: continuing the soap opera... was: System is too big
W.Kenworthy wrote: LVM the gentoo way works fine: I highly recommend for any system needing multiple partitions http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/lvm2.xml I would agree and this is a good document to follow. But unfortunately, it does not cover the udev case. following the instructions in the above document, I set up a raid 1 system on md0 (partition type fd) I then created all of the elements for a volume group mounting and copying files works fine I then discover I need to run udev I convert according to documents other people have given me it mostly works okay except that the the raid array is no longer being detected. It appears that the raid code is invoked before the modules or the devices for the external ide array are available. So that's the path I'm currently investigating. bah, humbug ---eric -- http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/view.html?pg=5 The result of the duopoly that currently defines "competition" is that prices and service suck. We're the world's leader in Internet technology - except that we're not. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Strange problem with 3com network cards
Dear users, I encounter this problem: having server with 3com NIC, lspci output: livecd root # lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 02) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82865G/PE/P PCI to AGP Controller (rev 02) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #1 (rev 02) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #2 (rev 02) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #3 (rev 02) 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #4 (rev 02) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801BA/CA/DB/EB/ER Hub interface to PCI Bridge (rev c2) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Bridge (rev 02) 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) Ultra ATA 100 Storage Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller (rev 02) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QZ [Radeon 7000/VE] 02:01.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 78) 02:02.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 78) so I used module 3c59x both on livecd 2004.1 and 2004.3 First one skips autodetection of NIC, but if I configure them they work properly. Second one detects NIC at bootup and loads modules, but after configutation they behave as not being present. NIC dont't work. After succesfull installation and booting new kernel I encounter same proble. Kernel module for NIC is loaded, but cards refuse to work. Here is dmesg output: Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv syslog-ng[6508]: syslog-ng version 1.6.5 starting Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv syslog-ng[6508]: Changing permissions on special file /dev/tty12 Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv Linux version 2.6.10-gentoo-r6 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 3.3.4 20040623 (Gentoo Linux 3.3.4-r1, ssp-3.3.2-2, pie-8.7.6)) #2 Wed Feb 23 10:50:57 Local time zone must be set--see zic manu Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv BIOS-provided physical RAM map: Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv BIOS-e820: - 0009fc00 (usable) Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 - 000a (reserved) Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv BIOS-e820: 000e6000 - 0010 (reserved) Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv BIOS-e820: 0010 - 1fe3 (usable) Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv BIOS-e820: 1fe3 - 1fe3e05e (ACPI NVS) Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv BIOS-e820: 1fe3e05e - 1ff3 (usable) Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv BIOS-e820: 1ff3 - 1ff4 (ACPI data) Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv BIOS-e820: 1ff4 - 1fff (ACPI NVS) Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv BIOS-e820: 1fff - 2000 (reserved) Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv BIOS-e820: fecf - fecf1000 (reserved) Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv BIOS-e820: fed2 - feda (reserved) Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv 511MB LOWMEM available. Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv On node 0 totalpages: 130864 Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:1 Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv Normal zone: 126768 pages, LIFO batch:16 Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv HighMem zone: 0 pages, LIFO batch:1 Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv DMI 2.3 present. Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv ACPI: RSDP (v000 ACPIAM) @ 0x000f63b0 Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv ACPI: RSDT (v001 INTEL D865PERL 0x20040122 MSFT 0x0097) @ 0x1ff3 Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv ACPI: FADT (v002 INTEL D865PERL 0x20040122 MSFT 0x0097) @ 0x1ff30200 Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv ACPI: MADT (v001 INTEL D865PERL 0x20040122 MSFT 0x0097) @ 0x1ff30300 Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv ACPI: WDDT (v001 INTEL OEMWDDT 0x0001 MSFT 0x010d) @ 0x1ff344e0 Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv ACPI: DSDT (v001 INTEL D865PERL 0x0006 MSFT 0x010d) @ 0x Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv Built 1 zonelists Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv Kernel command line: root=/dev/md1 Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv Initializing CPU#0 Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv CPU 0 irqstacks, hard=c046 soft=c045f000 Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv PID hash table entries: 2048 (order: 11, 32768 bytes) Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv Detected 1796.044 MHz processor. Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv Using tsc for high-res timesource Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv Dentry cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv Inode-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv Memory: 514228k/523456k available (2378k kernel code, 8556k reserved, 874k data, 172k init, 0k highmem) Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode... Ok. Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv Calibrating delay loop... 3538.94 BogoMIPS (lpj=1769472) Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) Feb 23 12:58:35 mailsrv C
Re: [gentoo-user] new to gentoo
Christoph Eckert wrote: How does chown work? #chown :users doesn't work. chown [OPTION]... OWNER[:[GROUP]] FILE... I added to wheel group, but when I su I get: name expired(something like that). The user seems not to be allowed to sudo. See /etc/sudoers for details. su != sudo Christoph Gysin echo mailto: NOSPAM !#$.'<*>'|sed 's. ..'|tr "<*> !#:2" [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Monkeyd
On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 17:13, Arnstein Oseland wrote: > Ow Mun Heng writes: > > > Dudes.. > > > > ANyone ever played with monkeyd? I'm considering moving from apache to > > monkeyd. This is a laptop and I don't need too much features. > > > > How easy or hard is the config? Can one actually run things like > > PHP/wordpress/Zope/Plone etc using it?? > > I use it with php-cgi. Works well for simple stuff. What else have you done with it?? How simple is it to configure anyway? I've installed it (in parallel with apache2) and I'm not sure how to get it to run :-) -- Ow Mun Heng Gentoo/Linux on DELL D600 1.4Ghz 98% Microsoft(tm) Free!! Neuromancer 18:07:28 up 8:55, 5 users, load average: 0.67, 0.32, 0.30 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] new to gentoo
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:36:21 -0800 (PST), maxim wexler wrote: > Must I have a password? I'm only person who > will ever use this machine. You may be the only person you want to use the machine. but if it is connectd to the internet and has no user password, you are unlikely to be the only person to ever use it. With no user password, you also increase the chances of abuse via sudo. -- Neil Bothwick The best antiques are old friends. pgpdfkfnHwh1F.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Screen + Split screen to moving aroun
* Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-02-17 09:50]: > I need a primer in how to use screen. > > I know C-a S makes a split screen. But how can I switch from one window > to the other? C-a TAB -r -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wow! 463 packages emerged and only one failure
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:59:17 +, George Roberts wrote: > Alas my emerge -e world were not as spectator as Aaron > Walker's. My system no longer booted! Most of my configuration files > were trashed =-O . It looks like you told etc-update to overwrite some critical files, like /etc/fstab or /etc/passwd. -- Neil Bothwick The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. pgpVjkgmwt5Jm.pgp Description: PGP signature
