date:20080115

Re: IEBGENER is BROKEN

2008-01-15 Thread Ed Gould


On Jan 15, 2008, at 8:59 PM, Bill Godfrey wrote:
-- 
SNIP--

Ed

The utility never sees the "/*" from the terminal. The GET or READ- 
and-CHECK
will take the EODAD exit. See the TSO/E Programming Services  
manual, in the

chapter about "Using BSAM or QSAM for Terminal I/O".

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-
bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IKJ4B750/CCONTENTS

(watch the wrap in the above URL)

quote

8.5 End-of-File (EOF) for Input Processing

The sequential access method GET and CHECK terminal routines  
recognize /*
from the terminal as an end-of-file (EOF). The EODAD exit in the  
data control
block is taken for the EOF condition. If no EODAD exit has been  
specified, and
an EOF has been signaled from the terminal, the job abends with a  
system

code of 337.

end of quote

Bill



Bill,

Thanks I should have looked there (or remembered it) I spent quite a  
few hours looking over the TMP for an issue that I never did figure  
out. But I did come to the conclusion that it was WAD (for the  
problem I was attempting to figure out). This was the PCF IKJEFT01  
version. I think (its been many many years) that I was attempting to  
figure out the how it parsed out /* and */  out of the command string  
or else it was in IKJPARSE which I don't think  I had the source for.


Ed

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Re: Sub-CEC Reports

2008-01-15 Thread Birger Heede


Al,
SCRT User Guide Chapter 10 describes this way of submitting SCRT Reports.

If the SCRT Report for one reson or another does not go straight thru 
the process then the Web interface must be used to submit the report 
(with whatever corrects, comments, justifications needed).
A report in 'work in progress' status will not be picked up by the 9th 
for processing.


Birger Heede
IBM Denmark




Al Sherkow wrote:

There has been a 'request' in to IBM for some time related to this
automation/oops/ no automation topic. 


The request is: allow sites to FTP or email the reports to IBM. IBM would
then stage your reports for your comments "as-if" you had used the web
interface. That is, they would get ready for you to review and comment on
your reports, and not assume that they are "ready" for final processing. 


This avoids the issue of using the LMDS web application to upload your
reports. It is fairly straight forward as this thread has shown to email or
FTP out of your monthly batch job. 



If your company does not review/update/verify by the 9th of the month when
the reports are due then IBM would process them. (This handles the "oops"
case where your automation sends the reports, but no one at your company
looks at it). 


I don't know the status of this request. If you don't send the report at all
IBM is entitled by the T&Cs of your sub-capacity agreement to bill you for
the installed MSUs of each machine. 


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Re: Worst Predictions of All Time

2008-01-15 Thread Ed Gould


On Jan 15, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:


On 14 Jan 2008 17:45:10 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Gould)
wrote:


RULE #2: I am not sure I agree with you on this one. Most of the time
it is the case but there  are times I do not think it is wise(or
useful). There are other cases that it serves no purpose to keep the
data as close to the applications as possible. Example: The number of
people going through a turn style at say a Subway station.


Does this mean, in physical location?   Or does this mean logically
close?


Howard:

Ted wrote that not I. He has not responded to me (on a similar  
question), I think your question is better to the point than mine.


Ed

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Re: Worst Predictions of All Time

2008-01-15 Thread Ed Gould


On Jan 15, 2008, at 12:21 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote:


---SNIP-

I've worked with recruiters and HR types with the same mindset.  
Names omitted to protect the terminally stupid.





Rick:

I have gone on an interview (in the 80's) and I was interviewed like  
this. This was sprung on me without warning. I was so mad about not  
being told that this would happen I fumed. After the interview I  
walked up to the boss and said please withdraw my name from  
consideration and I walked out. I fired the recruiter later that day  
(after giving him a piece of my mind).


I do not think I would have gone to any interview like this even if I  
had known about it. The only "good" thing about the interview was  
that the people that were asking the question had their backs to a  
beautiful shot  overlooking Chicago from the 80th floor.


Ed

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Re: DFSORT question MERGE w/SUM FIELDS=NONE

2008-01-15 Thread Ed Gould


On Jan 15, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Dave Kopischke wrote:


On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:05:40 -0600, McKown, John wrote:


Yes, I just didn't really see how EQUALS applies to a MERGE. Possibly
just lact of understanding on my part. I do understand how EQUALS
applies to SORT since SORT is only reading one input file, so  
which is

"first" makes sense to me. But MERGE is reading records from multiple
input files, so which is "first"? The first one actually read? (that
would be random, depending on the data in the various input files) Or
the one which is read from the lowest numbered SORTINnn? In the  
words of

Vinnie Barbarino "I'm so confused!"


SORT can also process a concatenation, so it can be more than one  
input file.
It might even be able to access multiple DD's, but I didn't crack  
the manuals
to look this one up. I always thought EQUALS was still valid on a  
MERGE, so I

pulled the manual...


I have not done a merge in *YEARS*, having said that I believe (even  
if you concatenate) each concatenation has to be in a "higher"  
sequence than the file ahead of the concatenation (all records still  
must be in the right sequence) so (if) you can concatenate the  
records must be in sequence. I hope I said that right and Walt can  
correct if I am wrong.


ie sortin01 dd (seq01-09) example for illustrative purposes only
dd (seq10-15)  "  "
dd (seq16-??)  "  "



"When specified for a MERGE application, EQUALS guarantees that  
whenever
equal-keyed records appear in different SORTIN data sets, the  
record from the

lowest numbered SORTINnn will be written first to the output file."



Ed

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Re: Trouble opening specific volumes with OPEN TYPE=J

2008-01-15 Thread Gerhard Postpischil


Tom Quarendon wrote:
I've tried setting the JFCBVSL flag before I open a volume with the 
JFCBVLSQ field set, but it doesn't seem to make any difference. Do you 
have a documentation reference for that?


The only reference I found was in the source code for OPEN, 
many, many moons ago. I've never had a problem with it, however 
I expect that our environments are different.


About all I can suggest at this point is that you try a simple 
test program, and dump it just before and after the OPENJ, to 
verify the contents. Additional control blocks (TIOT, SIOTs, 
etc.) may be helpful.


The other thing you might try, if your environment permits it, 
is to run authorized, and build the DCB, DEB, IOB, etc. on the 
fly, and avoid O/C/E code completely. But I don't know whether 
your security or audit staff would be too thrilled by that.


Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

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Re: What Now?

2008-01-15 Thread Russell Witt

Dan,

Call TLMS L1 support as well. You may already be licensed for TLMS/Copycat;
which will allow you to copy all those files from the virtual tapes to a
couple of 3590e cartridges. You can use EARL or the Vantage/GMI gui
interface to select those files you want copied; and have the output list be
fed directly to Copycat.

Russell Witt
TLMS L2 Support Manager

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Subject: What Now?


The VTS thing is working fine for in-house stuff. Now there is a push to
copy/convert all the offsite permanent volumes to stacked exported tapes.
The problem? We don't have a clue on how to get started on this beastie.
We're using TapeCopy as our engine and I can run all sorts of reports and
create the jobs, but we have 6,300 tapes and 10,500 datasets to move from
3480 and 3490 to stacked 3590e tapes. That's a lot of manual stuff...

The Redbook on VTS is of some help, but not from a practical standpoint.
Would anyone care to share their experiences with us? Somehow this got
pretty much dropped in tech's lap and it's mostly TLMS type work. (We
install
it...not run it)

TIA...

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IDCAMS Repro vs ICETOOL

2008-01-15 Thread Carl Edwards

We have a series of jobs that use IDCAMS to move data
from one platform to another. There are several
hundred files stacked on tape, which was created by
REPRO. These tapes are then read by the Z/os target
system and loaded to the appropriate files. While the
jobs runs, they seems to run forever. We have noticed
that the job goes into DW for 3-5 seconds at the end
of each REPRO process, allocation/deallocation I
assume. If indeed this is the case then using another
program such as ICETOOL should not matter, the results
should be the same. Is this assumption valid?



  

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Re: Rexx external assembler functions and reentrancy

2008-01-15 Thread Wayne Driscoll

Paul,
The CALL macro does NOT require that register 13 contain the address of
a save area.  It is a standard convention, that R13 point to a 72 byte
save area for the use by the called routine, but not a hard requirement.
For example, (using the Authorized Assembler Services Reference Volume
2), the description of IEANTRT is the same as you quote.  However, in
the same manual, under the description of service IEAVAPE (Allocate
Pause Element), under Input Register Information it is documented that
R13 MUST contain the address of a 72 byte register save area.  If the
called program is coded to use the linkage stack to save caller status,
no register save area has to be provided by the caller.

Wayne Driscoll
Product Developer
JME Software LLC
NOTE:  All opinions are strictly my own.

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Subject: Re: Rexx external assembler functions and reentrancy

On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:06:19 -0800, Schwarz, Barry A wrote:

>Not change is not the same as not use.  I would expect the routine to
>save and restore the registers rather than never use them.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Victor Gil [mailto:snip]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:10 PM
>
>IEANTRT is documented to NOT change registers R2-R13, so their slots in
>the passed savearea can be used to format the required parameter list.
>
I'm confused; I see:

#13.1.4 "z/OS V1R7.0 MVS Assembler Services Reference IAR-XCT"
 ___
  13.1.4 Input Register Information

   Before issuing the IEANTRT callable service, the caller does not have
to
   place any information into any register ...

... but:

#13.1.7 "z/OS V1R7.0 MVS Assembler Services Reference IAR-XCT"
 ___
  13.1.7 Syntax

   Write the call as shown on the syntax diagram. You must code all
   parameters on the CALL statement in the order shown.

CALL IEANTRT ,(level ,user_name ,user_token ,return_code)

... is this a special CALL that does not require that the
address of an available RSA be placed in R13, or is that
assumed even when the RM says it's unnecessary?

-- gil

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Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?

2008-01-15 Thread Rick Fochtman

Is a computer science education either necessary or desirable for
doing systems programming? business programming? being a DBA or data
administrator? As someone who has been a systems programmer and an
applications programmer, the only IT course I had was Numerical
Analysis and Programming for Digital Computers (the computer was an
IBM 650). I am grateful that I never had to do statistical analysis
since I could never wrap my head around the subject. In response to
Anton, this is ON topic for this group because it covers one of the
most important issues, what do background do we need to do our job.

I frankly think that Computer Science is the wrong curriculum for
business programming because understand business problems, business
politics is at least as important as understanding database theory. A
course that stresses the foibles of floating and fixed point
arithmetic, BOTH binary AND decimal also would be very useful. A
refresher that going into the best ways to access data including
whether new tools like Lambda Expressions (see
http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/04/08/new-orcas-language-feature-lambda-expressions.aspx
for an explanation) are worthwhile. For systems programming, the
concepts of reliability, backup and tradeoffs should be taught.
Exposure to Unix based systems (Linux, Apple Mac, Solaris, etc.) and
one of the classic mainframe systems (IBM z/OS, Unisys 2200, Unisys A
series MCP, etc.) probably would be useful.

I think that the topic of broader brush education and upgrade needs
further exploration.

In terms of outsourcing, etc., how does an organization treat its IT
people versus its accountants or its marketers or its engineering
staff? As someone who is semi-retired (collecting pension but willing
to code for pay) and due to geographic constraints only able to work
on a contract basis, it may be inconsistent that I think that too many
companies are moving too much responsibility to outside people.

-
I will PARTLY agree with Clark on this. There a few aspects of Computer
Science that are important and useful, such as Data Structures. But I've
found that a background that is more "rounded" has been equally helpful.
My own background is in Physics and Math, but I took a LOT of courses in
the various engineering disciplines available, as well as basic
accounting and business courses. I managed to learn enough to be able to
grasp the basic concepts, even if I'm not a "engineer".

A broad background is very useful, but not the end-all to be-all. For a
System Programmer, much of that might have been wasted, but I was often
called upon to help with programming problems in some of these other areas.

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